At the time of your untimely death by airplane crash, the last thing you, a 29yrs old Chemical Engingger and fa/t g/uy remember seeing, was your lucky D20 flying off your pocket.You must have rolled a 20 on some reincarnation table, because next, you were reborn into a new life to a world of swords and sorcery where reality is run by old RPG rules, and you had kept full memories of your previous life!You recently invited your friends to celebrate christmas with your family. Yes, you did not tell anyone it was xmas.Now your vacations lie before you. Most of your acquaintances come from homes much too far away to make going back during vacations a feasible possibility, however, so Okaba, Mako, and most of the chess club are going to stay at the school.The chess club elven members, as well, are staying home. Well, they live close enough, but they are passing on going to a warzone
For Lyann level up:She already has Parry, Iron Will, and Metal Jacket. Pick up Deflect Arrows, Spellbreaker, Evasion, Archer's Bane. And I want to start her down the Mamluk Job tree.We didn't get her a weapon, so now would be a good time. We need to get Mom to agree to let us go down with Lyann and other students or her into the dungeon so we can level these other Jobs. Going down with our regular crew is good XP but we need certain Jobs turned on for them, that are good for loot but not so good for optimum stat and ability growth.This vacation could be a good chance for us to grind an power level in the dungeon.
Since exp is decided by total level of all classes, we should make sure we aren't gaining levels in classes that don't contribute to our future build.I'd like to turn off ranger, and turn on healer. We have a bigger focus on magic than sneakery or trapping.Also, i'd like to study enchantment when it comes up next year. we've seen how useful it can be, and if don't want to be stuck with one style then we need to study both branches of it.during break: dungeon crawling, lots of it.
>>35280482>Deflect Arrows, Spellbreaker, Evasion, Archer's Bane.that seems fine to me, but remember she needs an actual weapon to use her weapon tricks. We should get her one soon***As it turns out, Grummir says he will be busy for a couple of months.He has been going with you into the dungeon every 3 days for almost a year now, and has literal tons of materials he needs to transform into finished goods.Now that the students are either on vacations abroad or just free, he wants to man the store and work on crafting.Miiyau is in a lazy mood this summer, but you could probably motivate her to go with you ir you really try (charisma check vs her MDV. Need a 55+ tho)Okaba and Aura are staying at the university, of course. Their home is two continents away and it would take them several months to get there, then again to come back, so doing that is pointless. Okaba comments you that his personal teleport stone is something he worked on precisely for that, but in the end it only has a few miles of range, so while it is useful within a city, it is no good across large distancesMako... she is basically exiled (if noone said that out loud). And even if she wasn't, she lives across the ocean and it is a dangerous trip, going either way, so she is staying as well.Honoria, your dwarven princess friend, happily invites you, Okaba and Mako to go home with her over the vacations.Her realm is just three days away up into the mountains, so she is going back home for the two months that you'll have freeDo you want to go and visit the dwarves underground realm, or stay home for the vacations?Lets wait for a few more people to show up and vote, tho
>>35280482If we plan on having much to do with Mako, we should bring her too. Mom might agree if her shadows tag along, as adult supervision.What is max normal group size?
>>35280659>Do you want to go and visit the dwarves underground realm, or stay home for the vacations?visit the dwarves.turn off ranger class.If it hasn't been decided yet, then i'd like to stick to wizard instead of switching to thaumaturge.
>>35280659>Dwarf timeI can dig it
>>35280683>What is max normal group size?6I always planned to make it so we ended with a sort of "adventuring company" like in the Final Fantasy Tactics, Disgaea, Ogre Tactics or Suikoden Series. You know, choosing who to send out for every fight
>>35280646>Since exp is decided by total level of all classesThat's not quite accurate. From King's post in the last thread:>He "starts again" with a small bonus until he reaches the same level he had>Then he starts getting exp normally. So its actually a little bit faster to raise second jobs.We should actually finish getting Ranger to 20, since not only does it open up the rest of the Ranger Tree, but it means that any Jobs we open up get an XP bonus till they hit 20 as well.
>>35280659Keep Ranger on until we hit 20. Ask Honoria if her home has a Dungeon. Ask mom if we can go in the dungeon there if we go. There is a war going on and both ourselves and our friends and family are targets for the Empire. We shouldn't be lazing about.
>>35280659Sounds interesting, so I would say go for it, see the world some, make contacts, as long as we can bring lynn of course.
>>35280759>We should actually finish getting Ranger to 20, since not only does it open up the rest of the Ranger Tree, but it means that any Jobs we open up get an XP bonus till they hit 20 as well.That'd be nicer if a lot of people wanted to proceed down the ranger tree.Most of what I see is 'archmage', 'archbishop', 'thaumaturge'.Adding levels to a class we don't intend to pursue just adds to our total level and makes it harder to gain further levels in the classes we do.So i'd still like to turn ranger off, but now I wouldn't mind taking the base classes of 'knight', 'healer' a few more levels if we get a bonus for it.
>>35280800>Ask Honoria if her home has a Dungeonthis.>>35280838Agree. Don't think we're leaning towards using a bow. We already have sneak from ranger. and even learned a sneak+ stop from avenger I believe.>We should actually finish getting Ranger to 20, since not only does it open up the rest of the Ranger Tree, but it means that any Jobs we open up get an XP bonus till they hit 20 as well.with that idea. we should keep wizard on till 20. since we will get more mana and more elemental points. That would be much more useful than having ranger on. and would turn it off and not look at it for the next few years.
>>35280838>Adding levels to a class we don't intend to pursue just adds to our total level and makes it harder to gain further levels in the classes we do.The more recent change showed this isn't the case. Also, even if we don't use the Jobs of the Ranger Tree on a regular basis, they still have special Active and Passive abilities that are useful and unique, such as the Bounty Hunter's ability to see traps an the Beastlord's Taming ability.
>>35280659Time to get a CCG started
>>35280905>with that idea. we should keep wizard on till 20. since we will get more mana and more elemental points. That would be much more useful than having ranger on. and would turn it off and not look at it for the next few years.I agree with this. Mostly because I wanted to keep wizard anyways.But with the second class bonus, we can speed through arcanist to get to archmage.and as a base class, it does give more stat bonuses and seems to level at a greater rate than hybrid classes.ranger off, keep wizard on(retroactively) cause I never wanted to turn it off.
>>35280974>Beastlord's Taming ability.useful. Bounty Hunter's ability to see trapsuseful. but It would have to be on * I take it that it is a passive* And would be a drain on our exp rate.
And here we go, Mako's sheetMako Tsun, 8yrs (First Night) HumanOn:, lvl 9 Noble, lvl 9 SingerSpecial: Can use Metal elemental spells as a Wizard of her Noble Level. This does not give her elemental ranks nor wizard bonuses per level.+11 Str+60 Dex+15 Con+33 Int+62 Wis+70 Cha+35 App+288 HP+54 MPPDV 56 / MDV 56Armor 1 / SR 36+18 Melee Weapons Skill(A) Sing (4MP): You can apply one of the following effects to an ally* within 60”. The ally must be able to hear you. All effects last 5 turnsTarget ally regenerates 1/10th of his max hp each turn of combat.Target ally gains +20 to attack rolls.Target ally gains +20 to PDV and MDV.Target ally is purged of 1 debuff* each turn.Armor Proficiency: NoneWeapon Tricks: DefensiveBonus Points 18* By alphabetical order. For example: Bleed → Sleep → Slow → ZombieWeapon TricksParryInventoryx2 Angel Ring +10 SR / 2 & 3 slotsHoly Oak Sandals +10 SR / 5 slots>>35280759>any Jobs we open up get an XP bonus till they hit 20 as well.This is trueAlright, typing
>>35281005Ranger, once it hits 20 and we then turn it off, will give any other Job under 20 a bonus to XP gain once Ranger is turned off.Since we may want to increase Wizard past 20 for its stat bonuses, getting Ranger to 20 and turning it off is the most effective method of maintaining the XP bonus until Jobs reach Lvl 20.
>>35281160this sounds like a plan to me, lets abuse this system to the maximum
Oh god I just realised I wasnt here when the thread started, damn I broke my streak of being first
"Say, does your home have a dungeon?" -we ask Honoria while playing chess with her"Sure. It is hard to start an actual city unless there's a dungeon nearby, after all. And some of the mines have been converted into foodgeons""..?""You know, priests charming the hallways so that only specific monsters will appear, for materials and food stuff""Oh""I did not know you were into dungeons.""Ah, yes, I like the excitement.""Uh hu? Oh, Okaba also accepted the invitation, by the way.""I'm somewhat surprised. I thought he would lock himself into his room or laboratory until the new semester started""Well, his slave seems to have convinced him.""Ah... Aura, uh?""That's her name?""Yes, you didn't know?""No, not really. We haven't talked much. Oh, but yours is Lyann, right? she's nice""She's more my sister than my slave""That's adorable""Are you making fun of me?""Not at all. I think its really nice." -she says, and then sips a little bit from her milkYou notice Mako coming into the chess club room with her board in her hands"Oh, can we invite Mako as well?""The western girl? Sure, but she's really timid, you know?""I know"1/?
>>35281015Beastlord's Taming is an Active skill. It can be turned on and off, depending on whether we want to capture or use a beast. As for the Bounty Hunter's trap-finding ability, yes it's a passive. But a skill like finding traps is one we'd always want turned on in a dungeon that has traps anyway.
>>35281208Actually, it wasn't hard to convince Mako to go with you.Besides being rather attached to you, you are pretty much her only friend, so her shadows egg her on to say yes.They act more like overprotective and dotting older sisters than her slaves, really.So, you just need to convince mom.It helps that Okaba and Mako are coming along. That means you have a lot of people your mom trusts to protect your group if need be.Right, Okaba is rather famous for melting monsters faces off, as well as his research. Tho you arent quite sure on which one was it that made your mom trust him.Well, that means that your group is Ami, Aura, Honoria, Lyann, Mai, Mako, Okaba, and yourself.Eight people, uh? that's the first time you've gone over the party limit. If anything happens, at least 2 people will be left "on the bench" this time.Well, Honoria wanted a few more days to get another coach, but both you and Okaba offered the ones you got when you saved Mako.Since you'd still need a horse or monster to pull yours, it's decided to take Okaba's along.Honoria is actually pretty excited about riding a magically enhanced coach.Well, apparently she's the type of girl that's not afraid of bugs, and looks rather interested in how Okaba did what he did to it.Right now, you have 8 people and the coaches have space for 12 people total. Six on each.First coachOkaba, Honoria, Mako, youSecond coachLyann, Ami, Mai, AuraYou understand the why immediately. You just don't specially like it, specially with Lyann's 100" "leash" but Okaba assure you that it will be fine. He simply instructs the centipede coach to stay within 100" of the second coach.
>>35281520Ah right, that curse. Manifests as an absolute compulsion right? So if she did get outside the radius she'd suffer something that'd make her REALLY want to get within that radius of us correct?
>>35281520Wait, did we ask Mom about going into Honoria's dungeon? It's a farmgeon, so it will be well patrolled. We need to be able to level ourselves, and not just laze around for two months.
>>35281520Well, the centipede coach is actually very smooth to ride on.Perhaps you should say "as expected"? you can barely tell when it is moving, and any bumps on the roads are quickly adjusted and compensated for.Its actually smoother than riding in a modern car.Well, it has traction and suspension in all 40 legs, so that's really not very surprising."Okaba, why didin't you sell the coach when you needed money?""I couldn't know who would end up owning it, or what would he or she do with it. I would rather keep as tight a control as possible over anything I make.""Speaking of which, what happened to that chair?""...oh! right. Well, we gave it some more data and now it feels a specific desk is its territory, so it only cares if someone needs to sit on that one desk.""I see"Well, its nice to know the chair wont run across the mountains from the academy whenever Okaba is about to seat in a chair somewhere.Would be sort of funny, however."Ah, what's the name of the city we are going to, by the way?" -you ask Honoria"Fendersën" -she answers- "It means Opal Throne""I assume there's an opal mine?""There was. It ran out long ago. We turned it into a foodgeon"Mako is quietly looking at the scenery out the window as her small feet hang several inches off the ground.The day goes on peacefully, and you soon stop at a small dwarven hamlet to rest for the day.This is the same road you took when going to Albion with your mom, but you didint notice this place before.As it turns out, it is hidden so it is almost invisible from the road. It took Honoria's exact knowledge of its location to reach it.3/?
>>35281557>Ah right, that curse. Manifests as an absolute compulsion right? So if she did get outside the radius she'd suffer something that'd make her REALLY want to get within that radius of us correct?Right>>35281598I forgot, but lets assume we did. She would probably say its alright precisely because its a foodgeon
>>35281835So long as it has multiple floors, bosses, and the phat loot one gets from bosses. Whose gonna be running our ventures while we're away? We did start a baking soda business/plant not too long ago. Also, when we gonna get that proper lab setup? We need to get the fun stuff cookin'!
So what does Lyann's 140 appearance actually mean? And we really need to unlock every class possible. Dancer and singer definitely, and since Grummir is out temporarily we can chain level our physical jobs while being maintank. Learn warrior and barbarian if possible, then have only scion + current leveling job turned on while in dungeons. An HP draining sword should make that position cake.Actually, about the sword - we can use it, our weapon tricks and armor with any class, right? We should probably try and increase our strength as a short-term priority then, since it'll allow us to powerlevel jobs while still staying in the same party position.
>>35281916>So what does Lyann's 140 appearance actually mean?
>>35281916Lyann can't normally get Barbarian, since it's not something in her Class Trees.And going Mamluk would let her keep leveling Slave towards Scion.>we can use it, our weapon tricks and armor with any class, right?No, only with any Job, because the Noble Class gives us proficiency with weapons and armor.
>>35281957Right, but even 30 appearance is hot. Our 40 is brad pitt-tier, isn't it? I have no idea what someone 4 times as attractive would even look like.Oh, we also need spells. A mana transfer spell, for one, since we have functionally unlimited mana and our dungeon endurance is limited by our party's mana pools right now. After that, making sure we can cast all the elemental types and metal in all positions would be good. Also, we should try to learn cage spells - walls that restrict movement and allow ranged attacks to pass through.
>>35281835Since we're a scion, can we take off her ankle cuffs ourselves, in case of an emergency?
>>35281807The hamlet is mostly underground. This is the first time you actually see the inside of a dwarven city.The last time you saw one, you were only allowed to the surface areas.This is the real, underground deal.Upon seeing the centipede coach approach, the guards at the gate ready their weapons.Yup, this is definitively the right, proper reaction.I mean, no matter how you look at it, a large centipede monster with a odd shaped body and a large red and black eye of Sauron in its front looks like a dangerous monster, you know?Well, this hamlet is part of Honoria's realm, so once she identifies herself, the doors are quickly swung open for us.The doors are thick granite and iron, and have been designed to easily withstand an attacking giant or dragon.The town inside... it's actually very bright. I mean, it's a cavern, but it's very bright.Not as bright as being under the summer noon sun, but pleasantly so. At most, it feels like a sligthly cloudy day."Ah, yes, the dwarves in the north live underground. How fascinating""Uh?" -Honoria looks at him"Well, in Hêven, there's plenty of mountains, but the dwarves live on the plains. They are nomads.""That's... that's just backwards.""They have several holy days and festivals, and their zebra skin drums are famous. They are small, but very brave warriors.""That, I can accept" -says the dwarven princess, her pretty, round face smiling as she nods"...." -Mako says something, but you don't quite catch it.You do get the impression she said something about the dwarves at her home, tho4/?>>35281957At age 12? ultimate jailbait, I imagine
>>35281916I like the idea of trying to going with physical jobs here.>So what does Lyann's 140 appearance actually mean? When she gets older people will turn their heads so fast they get whiplash.
>>35281994Elli can.And yeah, I meant jobs.
>>35281916It means that, when she grows up, she's the kind of girl that gets mentioned in tales and legends, odes to her beauty shall be composed by bards, tons of suitors shall ask for her hand in marriage upon first meeting her, stuff like that.>>35282014Just means that she's the embodiment of someone's idea of a "perfect" beauty. Different strokes for different folks, but people tend to share a standard set of ideal characteristics. She has a good deal of them, or will at least once she's old enough.
>>35282016>Since we're a scion, can we take off her ankle cuffs ourselves, in case of an emergency?No, we need a Temple for that. Maybe if we become a Bishop or an Archbishop.
>>35282014I remember King talking about essentially groundspikes in the thread yesterday. I think we should look into that
>>35282043Elli's not with us. And she doesn't have Barbarian levels either.We'd need an actual Barbarian to teach her.
>>35282114Does she? She's a nomad, and we've seen spontaneous job learning without training when it's class-specific. Maybe just ask her to go in the dungeons and get really angry once or twice.
To be honest, I like the way Aberrant describes really high beauty*You fit with what most people agree defines beauty*People accept you as beautiful despite your/their ethnicity and whatever they locally consider beautiful>>People chage their idea of beauty to adjust to you>>35282131We can change Elli into barbarian, yes. Its a starting job for her. Assuming she is at least level 10 in her current job. I think she's like level 14 craftsman by now******The centipede coach surprises everyone as it goes down the streets, but soon the word goes around that it is the princess' magical coach, and people just seem to accept it.There's still plenty of craftsmen that come see it once you stop outside a inn, however.Inside its clean and orderly. The place looks quite upper class, for a small inn and tavern in the middle of the mountains, at least.Honoria talks with the inn keeper.The inkeeper feels quite under pressure to host three (technically four, but your family has never claimed royal blood) royal bloodlines tonight, and he sends his people to gather supplies and high quality food stuff.He only has one upper class room, however.Okaba seems fine with a lower class room, and suggest that you default the high class room to the princesses, which, of course, seems like the obvious thing to do.A little bit later, you are stretching your legs, walking outside the inn as you look around with Lyann.* Ask around for local news* Take a quick look at the local goods* Go back inside and talk with one of your friends* Other
>>35282261>* Ask around for local news>* Take a quick look at the local goodsDon't see why we cant do both
>>35282261Start practicing with artistic uses of magic. Such as making fire flowers.
You know, looking at Grummir's stat's in the PDF, we'd be a waaaaay better tank than him. We have almost as much strength, twice his con and half again as much dex.We need to get that guy some new low level jobs to grind up his stats.>>35282261>* Ask around for local news
>>35282261* Ask around for local news* Take a quick look at the local goodsHow much money do we have with us? Everything will be 30% more expensive because of the Guile Passive the traders have.
>>35282261See if the dwarves have some cool earth magic for us to learn
>>35282261>* OtherCheck what cards they have for sale. Specifically looking for kobold and the mp/hp draining ones. We need to get our dungeon party some better weapons.
>>35282371Oh, and the succubus/incubus cards. Hopefully they'll be super cheap here.
>>35282325Well, at the start he was better than us, but I mentioned this a couple of threads ago. Yes, we outgrew him as tank a while ago.Now that he's dedicating himself full time to crafting, tho, maybe we could replace him as tank in the future.Well, we have a total of 712g 800sIn totalI assume we don't travel everywhere with that much on usMaybe we do. Its not like anyone can peek inside our item box or lyann'sNotice that while Ranger gives us an item box, we cant access it when ranger is offSo, how much gold ARE we carrying?***As it turns out, this is a mining town. They are currently digging for silver, and have plans to turn the mines into a foodgeon when they run off.They also have iron and copper veins, and a healthy business crafting weapons and armors for the Coalition.They're still just a small time supplier, tho,. Just under 300 dwarves live in this place, after all, and not all of them are craftsmenYou can find some high quality [Fine Steel] melee weapons as you look around.Pretty much any one handed melee weapon in fine steel for 3g. +25 base damage per hitTwo handed weapons is 5g +50 base damage per hit Armors and shields are also available of course.Accessories, as wellSteel accesories soak up 4 magical damage a piece, and they sell for around 2g eachAccessory slots areEarrings/HeadAmulet/NeckBracelets/WristRings/HandsAnklet/FeetOf course, the dwarves sell all of their prodicts at the same price regardless of the number of slots, since they don't know about them
>>35282490Ooh, dumpster dive for weapons and armor, see if we can find any 4+ slot. Lyann's item box is pretty big, right?
>>35282490I'd say we carry half, and let mom keep the other half. Look around and find a one hand sword with two slots. Also a Mandragora and Kobold card (though I doubt anyone had Kobold since they're considered trash). Also an earring and bracelet should be good for Lyann.
>Last hitting earns mana and moeny via harvesting crystal>multiple people can last hit at once thanks to debuffs count as ongoing hits>debuff auras existwe need to get a debuff aura from some class or another for main char just so we can benefit from this mechanicMost people are limited by one class so they can't use this trick, but as a scion there is no reason for us not to use it>>35272102Hasn't it been our observation that northern and southern methods of enchanting can be stacked together to produce super items?>>35279166>Bonus pointsBasic classes give +15 basic attribute points per level and we can have a ton of them (deactivating them doesn't take away the attribute points)meanwhile, elemental, divine, melee, and ranged magics grow at a much lower rate. magic in particular goes up by just 1 point per level or so. and every 10 points we get a trick.Because of that I think it is best to use up all bonus points on magics. And grind low level basic classes for easy attribute points.alternatively, a bonus point can give different quantities of bonuses based on what it is added to it. that is, +1 to a spell, +2 to a weapon, and +4 per point for an attribute.>>35279431Didn't lyann unlocked the singer ability?also, I was thinking that singer + dancer can unlock a hybrid uiltimate class of singer+dancer.
>>35282490>Well, we have a total of 712g 800sWhere did we get all that dosh
>>35282490What accessory slots are open for us and Lyann? Try and fine 2+, preferably 4+ open slot items for those.
>>35282490Priority is armor+head slot>Of course, the dwarves sell all of their prodicts at the same price regardless of the number of slots, since they don't know about themGet out our ring of knowledge and make sure anything we pick out has at least to slots, so we can use our succubus/incubus+kobold combo for armor/head.we're going to need three sets(for our three pairs of cards)We carry 300 gold, and lyann has another 100g.we can give our money to lyann if we need to turn ranger off.
>>35280430QM, you forgot to archive Ep9 extra timei went ahead and archived it for you.
>>35282490Get three sets of steel armor and head accessories with two slots.get a variety of steel weapons with two slots.(not for immediate use, since we have a better weapon, but to give away or sell)
>>35282542yes its 30+ slots right now>>35282598so lets say 350g right now?>>35282615>Hasn't it been our observation that northern and southern methods of enchanting can be stacked together to produce super items?Yes, Lyann has a set of enchanted vuffs that also have slots>Didn't lyann unlocked the singer ability?The singer job, yesIm actually thinking in making a "bard" secret job. You know, someone who dances and sings>>35282643Soap + Chess + Dungeon + the orphanage factoryTo be honest, most comes from the orphanage. Lets say 12 of the children can craft stuff. thats still x12 more crafters than we have at home>>35282704thanksalright start rolling 6d100 to see how many slots have the head accesories you find, then we'll do helmets. We'll keep the first 4 rolls as "these 4 items have these many slots each". We are trying to roll over 40
>>35280430>>35262384we never mentioned this to mom and we probably should.our baby sister cast a healing aura spell by laughing the other day. mom should be told.
Rolled 85, 89, 96, 81, 7, 55 = 413 (6d100)>>35282752
>>35282754Was it a spell actually? it could have been an active class ability instead. (it sounds a lot like the active class ability of a singer)we should examine her character sheet
Rolled 10, 32, 3, 95, 100, 89 = 329 (6d100)>>35282752
Rolled 35, 6, 92, 78, 53, 8 = 272 (6d100)>>35282752
Rolled 30, 23, 19, 79, 100, 24 = 275 (6d100)>>35282752
>>35282762>>35282768>>35282782>>35282795Oh... so thats 4 slots for one and none for he rest. Okay. Thanks dice.
>>35282752>We are trying to roll over 40 So we only found 1 head accessory with any slots?fortunately, we still have the wildflower crown(which has yet to be enchanted).We still need one more item with two slots to use up our succubus/incubus cards, so hopefully the helmets are better.
>>35282700Don't you need 4 slots for the succubus/incubus/kobold combo?Succubus+kobold linkedincubus+kobold linked
Just to make it clearAccessory slots areEarrings/Head // We have a Flower Crown with 6 slots. I dont think Lyann has anything hereAmulet/NeckBracelets/WristRings/Hands // We have an Angel Ring with 5 slots, Lyann has one with 2Anklet/Feet // Lyann has her ankle cuffsArmor slots areHelmet // We have an armor set that includes thisPAULDRONS // We have an armor set that includes thisArms // We have an armor set that includes thisChest // We have an armor set that includes thisHips & Thighs // We have an armor set that includes thisShins // We have an armor set that includes thisHowever, the whole set has only 2 slots. Its a magically generated armor instead of a set of 6 pieces so we cant add/substract parts from it. We could assemble/buy a new set if you guys want. This set is equivalent to steel anyway so it would be the exact same amount of protection, with probably more slots
>>35282767Not a spell, Singer buff.
>>35282836Don't we have that amulet from the river spirit from way back when?Regardless, we'll need to look for at least one amulet, bracelets for both of us and anklets for us.
>>35282836>This set is equivalent to steel anyway so it would be the exact same amount of protection, with probably more slots Then we should add incubus+kobold to the wildflower crown, and succubus+kobold to our steel armor.we can get lyann the head accessory with 4 slots and enchant it, but we need armor for her to get the most benefit and one more pair of armor/head to use up our incubus/succubus card.
>Priests can manipulate dungeons>Priests can remove cursed items>Priests are known to be able to change people's classesHey, we should try to unlock the secret class priest.that way we can take off lyann's cursed cuffs when she isn't in a dungeon. as well as justify our ability to change people's classalso, being such a meta class, I bet with our scion power we could potentially push it to new and interesting heights.also>Angel ring can resurrect someone>Angel ring has slotsWhat happens to the ring when it resurrects someone? does it lose its resurrection power? is it on a 24 hour cooldown? what.
>>35282836Sure, look for a new armor set. If we can find something with a lot of open slots it'll be a straight upgrade.Does the town sell cards? We need more succubus/incubus/kobold/hp drain/mp drain for our party.
>>35282883>is it on a 24 hour cooldown?'once per encounter' which is pretty overpowered if you take it at face value, but it is made from the highest class materials.
>>35282883Believe the ring is once per day.And while I approve of getting more item slots, I think we should hold off on enchanting anything really valuable until we tell okaba about item slots and see what sort of hybrid enchantments are possible.
>>35282261>>35282035I wish we gave him both coaches to experiment with, then we could have a centipede coach now.
>>35282762one head accesory with 4+ slots>>35282767yes it was a singer buff>>35282768>>35282782>>352827950 slotsWow, the dice are dicks.Well, we only found one accesory with slots, but its a 4 slots item. The rest are all "run of the mill" so to speark"Eldric, what is it? you look as if you'd smell something rotten" -Lyann leans over a little towards us, and we catch a full frontal blast of her bright blue eyes"ah... uh... right. No, it's nothing" -we say as we scratch the back of our head."Alright">>35282859yes. It has no slots, tho--- actually I never rolled for it... well lets do it sometime in the futureFor now roll 6d100 4 times for the helmets
Rolled 5, 2, 6, 38, 98, 64 = 213 (6d100)>>35282952
Rolled 50, 97, 60, 47, 64, 16 = 334 (6d100)>>35282952Could we roll for entire armor sets, instead? Or does every armor piece have its own set of slots?
Rolled 93, 72, 24, 23, 44, 71 = 327 (6d100)>>35282952
QM, can you please get a twitter to announce (and link) to new threads?I keep on missing threads.
>>35282980i think i love you anon
>>35282490>As it turns out, this is a mining town. They are currently digging for silver, and have plans to turn the mines into a foodgeon when they run off.this reminds me, I remember certain monster types dropped metal ingotsso a silver mine that runs out can have a level be dedicated to silver dropping mobs and the rest into foodgeons.
Rolled 14, 87, 95, 38, 45, 62 = 341 (6d100)>>35282952
>>35282997I also rolled the 4 slot head accessory aboveSomething horrible will happen soon to balance things out.
>>35283016if that's true let me have your children
>>35282952>For now roll 6d100 4 times for the helmetslet's pick up the helmet with 5 slots.since we already have two head items with slots, this is all we need to use up our incubus cards.
>>35282752>Im actually thinking in making a "bard" secret job. You know, someone who dances and singsI love it
>>35283044We really need to teach everyone in our prospective harem the dancer job. For the buffs. Just in case.
>>35282836>Earrings/Head // We have a Flower Crown with 6 slots. I dont think Lyann has anything hereWe still haven't enchanted the crown?can we please put a succubus + incubus + kobold cards on it?
>>35283064>For the buffs....dancer doesn't give buffs to allies.That's singer.
>>35282952>The dice are dicks/tg/ dice have it out for everyone. Players, GM's, they don't care, they drink our collective tears.
>>35283088>not getting the innuendo
>>35282952tell me king about that orphanage that we helped and gave them jobs its not a sweat shop is it
>>35283071>can we please put a succubus + incubus + kobold cards on it?this would go on two separate items.so Sucubbus+koboldand incubus+koboldthough we still haven't heard how kobold will increase the bonus, i'm that it does something.
>>35283071The crown is really strong. I'd rather hold off on enchanting it for now, until we find out more about the system. We can definitely get the succubus/incubus combo going on three people without it, anyway.
>>35283088buff is american slang for nudityit can also be that he used it as a euphemism for an erection
>>35283092>>not getting the innuendo>not getting that using that pitch for the girls we know to use dancing is more of a comedy sketch.If you're doing that, might as well tell them to take up dancing because you want to see them in silks.besides, makoXeldric otp
>>35283123>buff is american slang for nudity...ah.thx.
>>35283123That would be "in the buff", saying "he's buff" means "he's muscular/ripped". Saying "he's in the buff" means "he's naked."
>>35283115Our sword has multiple linked kobold cards, so we should be able to fit the succubus combo on anything with at least 4 slots.
>>35283184What a bizarre thing to be autistic about.
>>35282883>24 hour cooldownOnce per encounter. Its a very powerful itemNo, they dont have a dungeon, adventurer's guild, or adventurer-oriented shop so you cant find cards in town>>35282966sad>>352829805, pretty good>>352829862>>35282991I have one, and I did announce the thread on it.... I dont know how to give its address tho, dont use twitter for anything else, so please check the pic. I hope the info is there>>35283095RightAnyway, about slots.Gloves, chest, and head can have slotsHips & Thighs, Pauldrons and shins dont have slotsSo a helmet with 5 slots, I think?>>35283115Thats because no sage youve read of has bothered to try since those are all "trash" cardsYou'll be the first>>35283160Oh God each time someone says otp im reminded of thishttp://youtu.be/8Tc7MH5ZXbg
>>35283115>this would go on two separate items.why would it go on two separate items?the crown has 6 slots, and succubus + incubus are a combo that boost each other. the most sensible thing to do is put them both on the same item so that the item has no drawbacks and really large bonusesalso, you mean a kobold card is locked to another card instead of boosting the entire item?if so than fine, use 2 kobold cards>>35283117there is nothing to learn here. its just a matter of finding the most powerful cards to enchant it with.But if you want to make it uber special than I suppose we could try to look up "epic cards" and then hunt down 6 of the nicest ones to combo.... or actually, since we have seen card combos occur, is it possible that there are cards which are weak on their own but if all 6 cards are comboed together it gives something super awesome?
>>35283187>Our sword has multiple linked kobold cards, so we should be able to fit the succubus combo on anything with at least 4 slots.It has to be an armor/head linked pair. It can't go on any other type of equipment.These two pieces of equipment have to worn at the same time, or these cards give debuffs instead of buffs.
>>35283115is there a reason why a person can't wear multiple items each with its own succubus + incubus combo for stacking benefits?>>35283184And in this case, he said>we should have our girls do X "for the buffs"meaning he clearly meant so that they would be nude rather then muscular.
>>35283255Musclegirls are fine too.
>>35283217you typically just type@MagSgamEthe link would be:https://twitter.com/MagSgamE
>>35283255>is there a reason why a person can't wear multiple items each with its own succubus + incubus combo for stacking benefits?Yes, because certain types of cards can only be placed on certain kinds of equipment.incubbus is helmet only.succubus is armor only.many of our cards are weapon only.If someone isn't wearing a linked pair of armor/head. then their stats are reduced instead of increased.
>>35283228>there is nothing to learn hereExcept that okaba already said there might be a lot of untapped potential with cards in the same vein as cursed items, he just thinks it's a useless field of research because he can't see slots and thus thinks cards fail for no reason.
>>35283255to be fair, I missed that innuendo tooBut im not USian so I think its fine if I dont know your slang>>35283275I like buff catgirlswith rockin' tits>>35283289Thanks>>35283302Yup. Its only science if doing the same process every time will give the same result every timeOtherwise is rolling diceAnyway, you guys want to roll for a chest piece?Like before, 6d100, well keep the best 4 results
>>35283160Im still on the Lyann/Eldric ship. But we wont really have to worry about that for a while. We're only 9 (physically)
>>35283302>Except that okaba already said there might be a lot of untapped potential with cards in the same vein as cursed items, he just thinks it's a useless field of research because he can't see slots and thus thinks cards fail for no reason.actually capitalizing this, would mean being honest to okaba about slots to assist his research, which there is signifigant resistance against.even if we learn something, it would still be some time in the future and i'd rather not sacrifice an important item to an experimental enchantment.I'd rather enchant it now. We've already decided to wear it, and have a really good enchantment that we can put on it right away.
>>35283302So what? what exactly are you imagining you could research here?
Rolled 25, 17, 9, 73, 83, 100 = 307 (6d100)>>35283333Lyann will need something better than the one she stole off that boss.
Rolled 49, 65, 58, 19, 85, 51 = 327 (6d100)>>35283333
Rolled 76, 84, 85, 97, 45, 24 = 411 (6d100)>>35283333
>>35283369>I'd rather enchant it now. We've already decided to wear it, and have a really good enchantment that we can put on it right away.and its not like we can't get another 6 slot headgear ever again.
>>35283377Custom designed cards that function like curses unless you have the entire set, which then turns them into superbuffs.
Rolled 14, 24, 16, 29, 95, 85 = 263 (6d100)>>35283333
Rolled 24, 57, 85, 9, 6, 92 = 273 (6d100)>>35283333
>>35283333Ever seen Outlaw Star? I think you'd really like Aisha.
>>35283414>Custom designed cards that function like curses unless you have the entire set, which then turns them into superbuffs.Except nobody has the slightest clue how to make artificial cards.
>>35283333so we have a 3 slot and a 5 slot armor. we have 3 peices of headgear.If we want to enchant a full incubus/succubusX3 pair, then we need to keep our current armor and enchant it.
>>35283414Or, a custom Card that has a bunch of little curses on it to power uberbuffs, and once slotted, the equipment can be removed without requiring a Temple.
>>35283414Or curse cards that interact with southern curses like the succubus/incubus combo
>>35283447Which is why we need to talk to okaba about this. Southern methods seem like they could be adapted to generate cards instead of direct enchantments.
>>35283434best catgirl ever.
>>35283462>>35283458>>35283414guys, cards are dropped from monsters. this is the ONLY known way to get new cards.how are you going to create artificial cards? you might as well want to create antimatter and say "just research it".
>>35283228some card are body part specific.one of the two cards I know for a fact works on helmets alone.While the other one is on something else. I want to say armor.
>>352833840>>352833893>>352833905>>352834170>>35283434Yes I have. Thats the joke>>35283496yeah, armor
>>35283485Or, you know, build a cyclotron. Point is we're deliberately trying to create something new here through combining two disparate styles of enchantment. Saying 'but it hasn't happened yet' is both obvious and irrelevant.
>>35283485Southern Enchantment to create the Cards. Northern Enchantment to create the Slot-Card interface.This is the next big thing for Okaba to research, if he knew that Slots exist.
>>35283481>Southern methods seem like they could be adapted to generate cards instead of direct enchantments.That is a ridiculous and baseless statement.if anything I would say that the fact you can stack both methods suggests that they do not interact in any way and that they cannot be used to create cards.even if they could, someone has to do many years of research from first principles.>>35283496so? what does this have to do with finding the best cards for a piece of gear and using it?since we are so damn adamant about not "wasting the crown", throw it in perm storage and but a 4 slot headgear from the dwarf to use until we figure out what to do with the crown then.
>>35283526>even if they could, someone has to do many years of research from first principles.no wait, even worse, THERE ARE NO FIRST PRINCIPLESyou guys keep on going on and on about research where we literally don't even have first principles to go from.It would be simpler, more practical, and easier for us to research nuclear power plants from first principlesalso ,as another anon mentioned. any such research requires coming clean to okaba and so far people are against that
>>35283526>it might be hardOh well, may as well give up then.
>>35283553>and so far people are against thatNo, a couple anons scared of their own shadow are against that.
>>35283509I like that her breasts are torpedo shaped and gravity defying. You dont see those breasts anymore. Sort of passed out of fashion after WWII, tho you could see them a lot on pinups of the ageAnyway, lets see... Head accesories 0 0 0 5 I believeHelmets 0 0 2 4Armor 0 0 3 5 >>35283561I laughed a bitSo, you guys buy the best 2 head accesories, helmets and armors?
>>35283526>so? what does this have to do with finding the best cards for a piece of gear and using it?I didn't say anything contrary to that.Also a point..we're making money at a decent pace and kobold cards and these two cards are relatively cheap since we got "suckered" into buying x2 of one of them for under 10gold for both.Also If we get to 6 slots we can just add another card on top of the 6, the item goes blank.We lose all of our cards but we also have another chance to card the item from scratch. SO i don't really understand why we're being so picky about carding the item.But with the new armor>>35283390we should be able to do it for ourself if we wanted to use it.
>>35283592Whats the total cost? But probably, yes
>>35283592Yup. That's pocketchange for us now.
>>35283592Just the 5 slot head accessory, but yes.
>>35283592What about swords?Even if we don't use them, we can Card them later and sell them for a profit.What about Amulets?Buy 5-Slot Head Accessory, 2-Slot and 4-Slot Helmet, 3-Slot and 5-Slot Armor.Is there anyone in this town that can enchant our stuff with the cards, or do we have to wait until we're at a bigger town?
>>35283584fine, then lets have a vote if to tell him or not>>35283561you want to invent the ability to co opt the powers of the gods (creating loot when something dies) with no first principle, you haven't the slightest idea on how to go about it, you haven't the slightest idea how it works, and you just wave your hands and say "research it".there is no difference between saying "just research artificial card creation" and saying "just research a way to create artificial loot chests" or "just research a method to create item drops" or "just research creating artificial black holes (to an alchemist who never heard of modern physics)">>35283600Wait, you can blank out an item to remove the cards invested in it? than it really is a no brainer here.
>>35283664>What about swords?>Even if we don't use them, we can Card them later and sell them for a profit.I think we should get some swords / staves and card them with "restore MP" for our alliesthat way when dungeon crawling, we can go up to level 1 to restore MP for all mages on easy kills.
>>35283681>co opt the powers of the gods (creating loot when something dies)wutSouthern enchantment is already this. The medium of adding magical effects is different than cards, but the principle is identical. It really seems you're just arguing because you're scared of change.
>>35283592I know. Sometimes I miss the old character designs. Aisha has one of the best racks in anime, I'd give it a grope, but then she'd smash my head in like a blood pumpkin.
>>35283600yes buy em.How do you guys feel about Buying a SHIT ton of armor/weapons once we get to the dwarf kingdom. POssibly leverage some royalty discount so they don't overcharge us. Buy all the cheap 5-6 slot items. At a dwarf city where there are master blacksmiths the DC I doubt will be any higher than 20. and I think we fair a good chance.I say this because buying 20 5/6 slot items and "carding" them even with crap should net us a pretty good pay day.
>>35283681>you can blank out an item to remove the cards invested in itYou didn't know this? It brought up multiple times, Okaba said it was why he didn't like Northern enchanting, and Grummir explained it as why people are wary of applying Cards to already powerful weapons.
>>35283624500s a piece so 4g 500sThats 2xhelmet + 2xarmor + 2xhead accesory I assume you also want to buy pauldrons and legs and arms protectors so 9g total for two sets of heavy armor made in Ñfine steel]. Thats 24 armor each setWell, roll 6d100 for 1 handed weapons. Its the material/craftmanship that matters, more than the weapon type itself, so i dont mind if you want to say its a hammer, axe, sword or whatever. Hell, I wouldnt mind if you want to say enchanted/magical weapons can shapeshift between those
>>35283681>Lets have a voteWe did, we said no
Rolled 36, 65, 84, 55, 61, 27 = 328 (6d100)>>35283745Just 1xhead accessory. There is no reason to buy 0 slotters for us right now.
Rolled 18, 25, 61, 51, 95, 74 = 324 (6d100)>>35283745big money
>>35283735i thought it was just cause the % chance of a card doing nothing.not the chance of it actually erasing existing enchantments.if you COULD make an artificial card, then you would want to make a ton of super cheap shit tier cards which can be used to determine slot quantity of an item (for those without our ability to see slots)
Rolled 54, 33, 26, 67, 48, 92 = 320 (6d100)>>35283745I want swords for Lyann to use as a Mamluk, and also so she can use her Parry abilities in her other Jobs.Though do Dwarves prefer axes and warhammers? If so, we may need to pick up some of them to enchant, since we'll be selling to a Dwarven clientele while we're in the capitol.
Rolled 93, 39, 36, 37, 36, 40 = 281 (6d100)>>35283745Seems like a fine deal, lets get it.
>>35283749Yes, it's obvious we still have a concensus about that what with the constant arguments over the last three threads.
>>35283749In that case there is 0 reason to not use the crown. since we are NOT going to get that research done.
>>35283702>The medium of adding magical effects is different than cards, but the principle is identical.Cards you can mass produce Okabe's you can't time consuming.With cards we can make things to profit.With Okabe's enchanting We can create things that you couldn't normally find on a card.Or even put a minor curse then use it's power to do some major stuff.Okabe's enchanting is great. You can stack it on pieces already enchanted with cards.We should look to him in the future to further enchant our long term items.But since we're currently 9-10. it wouldn't mean much to enchant something we will grow out of in possibly months.
>>35283798are you a god
>>35283745King, do a vote about telling okaba about slots. It won't stop anyone but it'll at least tell us which path has more support.
QM, can we please just have a vote on1. whether to tell okaba about slots and start research2. whether to keep the crown until said research bears fruit, or start enchanting it now (if we save it for later, please let us find a headgear with 4+ slots to buy in the dwarven market)
>>35283880>please let us find a headgear with 4+ slots to buy in the dwarven market)You realize we already did, right?
>>35283791>if you COULD make an artificial cardDon't know if it's possibly doesn't seem likely.King would have to tell us if it's viable. then we have a damn good reason to tell Okabe about it. And force him into making 2 really really shit card(curse card). Then a set bonus(awesome as fuck card set)
>>35283681>"just research creating artificial black holes (to an alchemist who never heard of modern physics)"mfw Okaba overhears and in two months comes up with a portable hole>>352837630alright then 8g 500s>>352837740>>352837921>>352837981>>35283848Im afraid it will lead to a 200+ chain of posts arguing against eachother, and today is friday so i have the pathfinder game in 4 hours or so, cant stay and run the thread for 12 hours like on thursdays.Lets do it next thursdayIm fine with thr crown thing, thoYou guys want to start enchanting the wildflower crown with cards and enchantments or keep it as it is?
>>35283822that is a fair pointNotice than an item can have a base power (see angel rings) from quality of materials, and slots, and a northern enchantment on top of that.So, if we get top tier materials we can get items with built in powers, then we just card them, then we have okaba or ourselves or someone else using northern enchanting put some good stuff on top of it.even if northern enchantment can be applied to creating new cards. it is going to time consuming compared to just buying epic tier cards and stacking them together on an epic tier item with good basic ability and lots of slots... and then commissioning someone to put northern enchantments on that
>>35283880>please let us find a headgear with 4+ slots to buy in the dwarven marketWe just did, though.Now, something that people need to remember before they go and give Lyann the armor we just bought: it's HEAVY Type.Assuming she gets the Mamluk Job, she can only go up to MEDIUM Type.
>>35283936Can we buy more succubus/incubus/kobold cards? Do enchantments get blanked if you add cards to an already full item? If so, go ahead and enchant it.
>>35283936I say we start using the wildflower crown. it goes to waste otherwise.and we can always reset the cards.
>>35283936Eh, lets grab a single weapon for Lyann
>>35283936>You guys want to start enchanting the wildflower crown with cardsno problem.We should have done this ages ago.>>35283982yes.How do you guys feel about wearing the crown our selves?
>>35283936Portable Hole+Bag of Holding+Ingenuity=FUN!!!
>>35284025Lets not completely revolutionize warfare anon. Not yet at least
>>35284006What are you thinking? should we be on the look out for a dagger?also if we're going to start gearing her, We should gear her up with good gear not steel.get her an adamantium Dagger/short sword. With at least 2-3 slots. She will be set the fuck up as a dancer/thief class. *forgot name*
>>35283936>8g 500sWait, what? You said 4g 500s for 6 items in the last update, wouldn't removing an item decrease that total?
>>35284077Temporary gear anon, just in case things go south
>>35283936we should looks for cards to buy also for the Weapon didn't we buy a Dragon Fang Spear before or did we already sell that?
>>35283936We should try succubus + incubus + koboldand compare it to succubus + kobold + incubus + koboldthese should go on some generic (lets say rings) that have 3 and 4 slotsthe reason for this test is that there was argument on how the kobold cards work exactly and the above will clarify (aka, does each card need its own kobold or is it enough to put it once for the whole item)then we should try wearing the two above items TOGETHER and see if their powers stack.we should buy a pair of junky non meta cards (like, +damage) cards and put both into a 2 slot item and see if they stackbased on the results above, decide what to get.also, I think we should fill every single item slot with cheap 4 slot items first. it should give us a whole lot more bang for the buck than getting 6 slot items with super uber mega awesome special stuff.We can then work on getting the super mega items in a leisurely pace.Also, Instead of individual angel rings. I think we should perhaps use the remaining angel stones and the crown to craft (using normal crafting by our dwarf friend) a crown with MULTIPLE angel stones in it. I bet it would be awesome!
>>35284137>also, I think we should fill every single item slot with cheap 4 slot items first. it should give us a whole lot more bang for the buck than getting 6 slot itemsThis. I have no idea why filling all our item slots wasn't first priority when we finally had enough gold to gear ourselves. That's like, rpg 101.
>>35284137Succubus can only be put in headgears and Incubus in armor
>>35283936>You guys want to start enchanting the wildflower crown with cardsYes.We should also enchant the Helmet with an Incubus/Kobold, and the 5-slot armor with a Succubus/Kobold, to get the Set Bonus and see how it compares to the base Set Bonus.>SwordsBuy the two 1-slot swords; we'll enchant and sell them so that we can get Lyann a 2-slot sword for an HP-Drain/Kobold combo.
>>35284198>Succubus can only be put in headgears and Incubus in armoralright then. helmet is both armor and a headgear.
>>35284137>We should try succubus + incubus + kobold>and compare it to succubus + kobold + incubus + koboldwe need a kobold card on each item.But don't mind doing testing.I'd just like to sayit adds CON +10, Max HP +1000 and HP natural recovery +10% instead of its normal bonuses.& it adds INT +10, Max MP +150 and MP natural recovery +10% instead of its normal bonuses.Is insane. alone. We're talking 1k HP and 150 mp.We could tank things easily 5/15 boss levels over what we currently do. depending on the increasing difficulty. that's also alot more mana to have access to a lot more summoning.
>>35283960>Notice than an item can have a base power (see angel rings) from quality of materials, and slots, and a northern enchantment on top of that.RightBut you really need a high level craftsman to handle things because if we roll shit again it will be really sadThe good thing about Grummir leveling up is that the DC we were rolling against went down from, 37+ to 35+ and IIRC to 30+. I thinkHe could keep leveling and lowering the DC, which makes it worth it to keep him in the party even if he's not the best tank anymore.>>35283975Class of armor is determined by how many parts you equip. She can equip up to 5 armor parts and it would count as medium, IIRC, so we can just skip on the pauldrons and she can wear it. It would give 20 armor instead of 24, thoI wanted to give people flexibility in making their own armor choicesIf it is just the chest plate and 2 more parts, it counts as light, but only gives +12 armor>>35283982>Can we buy more succubus/incubus/kobold cards?Sure, if you find someone selling themAnd enchantments would remain.... Iiiiii thinkAlright looks like people want to enchant the crown with Succubus + Kobold and the chest plate with Incubus + Kobold, right?>>35284085That was for just the helments+chestplates. The 8g 500s includes shin, arm, hands, feet and shoulder protectors>>35284126Actually I think we still have it... will have to check the inventory text file, hold on a bit...>>35284137We already used all the tears and threads, thoAlso, helmet is not a head accessory. Heads accesories are laces, crowns, earrings, stuff like that. You can have an accesory and a helmet
>>35284302>And enchantments would remain.... Iiiiii thinkIf that's true, then I change my vote to be against enchanting the crown. >>35283982Keep it for later when we have a better idea of what we can do and what we want our endgame gear to look like.
>>35284302>Actually I think we still have it... will have to check the inventory text file, hold on a bit...In that case since that has 3 slots and made from good materials we can give that to Lyann to that she can Mamluk it would also fit since we want her to be a Frykyn with her ridiculous dodge it should fit.
>>35284176>>also, I think we should fill every single item slot with cheap 4 slot items first. it should give us a whole lot more bang for the buck than getting 6 slot items>This. I have no idea why filling all our item slots wasn't first priority when we finally had enough gold to gear ourselves. That's like, rpg 101.Yes please!Blowing all our money on super items that fill in 1 slot is a huge waste when we are mostly naked.see >>35282836we currently use 2 of 5 accessory slots. as does lyannarmor comes in 6 pieces in 6 slots. we have a suit that fills all of it. but lyann does NOTWe need to get lyann 6 piece suit and get both of us the 3 missing accessories. can probably buy a nice 4 slotter for 20g each and then the right cards for not too much either. and get ourselves a nice "basic set" which we can upgrade lateras a bonus. when we get a better item we can sell the old one for a hefty profit thanks to our secret about enchanting.
>>35284302>We already used all the tears and threads, thowhat, really? i thought he only crafted 6 of the 12 rings thus far and we will have to wait longer for the remaining 6and i don't remember doing anything with the thread
>>35284244the current armor we had on now sucks balls.there was two slots between everything we had on.We wouldn't have been able to put kobold cards on. And I don't know where the 2 slots where available with our current gear.>>35284302How does Grummir compare to a master craftsmen of the kingdom we're going to?>>35284369some classes you can't put on certain gear.>>35284395I believe we gave a few to okabe and we (HE) got this bitchin centipede coach.
>>35284302>You can have an accesory and a helmetnicequestion. we can use a weapon + shield, or 2 weapons, yes?
>>35284432>2 weapons, yes?thats a job passive.
>>35284430>the current armor we had on now sucks balls.Oh right, for some reason I thought it was ancestral like our sword and staff, but no, its just some junk we got from a drop.that means we need to replace. we should trawl the dwarven city and build one piecemeal. if lucky we can get 4 slots per component. meaning 24 slots total for the whole shebang. should be cheap than its non magical armor.
>>35284432I know that 2 weapons is a Champion skill, which would be pretty awesome to get in my opinion
>>35282836>Rings/Handsdoes that mean that a person can only wear ONE magic ring total? and that if he is wearing magic gloves then he can't wear any magic rings?
>>35284502Meh. 2 Weapons is pretty pointless for us, since sword+shield is free, usable across all jobs, and provides equal enchantment/card slots.
ah found itWeapon slot / Dragon Spear – 2 empty slots Damage Base 30Ghost Card – +10MP per hitCurrently Lyann has it, actually. Its not bad for her since it gives her back 10MP each time she casts a spell on an enemy. Could do better with a kobold card, tho. Only problem is that Mamluk uses shield, IIRC, but Fremen doesn't, so it may be okay anyway?>>35284352>ridiculous dodgeThats only when she's courtesan, tho, but yeah, it shoots through the roof. Most monsters our level would have to roll over 130+ on 1d100 to hit her, or 200+ if she's using parrySpells always do damage, tho>>35284430Grummir needs 30+.A >How does Grummir compare to a master craftsmen of the kingdom we're going to?Grummir needs 30+ for a slotA capital carftsman needs 20+ so its not too bad>>35284432yes, but if you want to attack twice per turn (one with each weapon) you have a -30 to each attack>>35284476the passive eliminates the -30 penalty>>35284499Only chest, helmet and gloves can have slots, tho.
>>35284302>And enchantments would remain.... Iiiiii thinkThat goes against Grummir saying that Card enchantments getting wiped out if they tried to put on a new Card was something that happened because no one knew about Slots.Also, the Incubus + Kobold is supposed to go on the Helmet, not the Crown, since the Incubus Card is a Helmet Only.
>>35284502I like the idea. but I am certain for a completly different reason>Two wands>Super mage>Voldemort is a bitch
>>35284574>it gives her back 10MP each time she casts a spell on an enemyWait. If the card affects spells, doesn't that mean we should also get back MP every time we cast damaging spells on an enemy while holding the sword? If so, We should never use the staff since its main benefit is decreased MP costs.
>>35284574>chest, helmet and gloves can have slots, tho.Lets go looking for gloves, then. Might as well get useful items in all slots.
>>35284574In that case put the Marina card in it then improve it with a Kobold card. Should turn the spear to Freeze on hit making it very useful for her.Also since Mamluk use shields let's look for one.
>>35284642>Wait. If the card affects spells, doesn't that mean we should also get back MP every time we cast damaging spells on an enemy while holding the sword? If so, We should never use the staff since its main benefit is decreased MP costs.I think you're right. And since it's is mp = damage.>>35284574> WHILE I DO LOVE THIS. And I am just being honest here. I think that may require a tweak. >Too OP>Cast fireball spend 20mana recover 60.
>>35284395We only got 4 strands of hair, and each hair equals 1 ring.How do you 12 rings from that?
>>35284716I believe he was talking about the x12 tears.Not x4 hairs
>>35284684Given the fact that our sword is apparently the best accessory for casting spells imaginable, we should get a shield for ourselves as well.
>>35284502>>35284476Alright, thanksthat means a person has a total of 13 or 12 magical items depending on jobs. those beings:>armament:Main hand weaponOff hand shield/weapon>Accessories:Earrings/HeadAmulet/NeckBracelets/WristRings/HandsAnklet/Feet>Armor:HelmetPauldronsArmsChestHips & ThighsShinsCurrently lyann has 2 accessories (only one enchanted), no armor, no armamentsWe have a nice sword and nice staff for armaments (we can do a gandalf and wield one in each hand!). 2 accessories (unenchanted), and trash armor (unenchanted)we desperately need to get us both suited up with proper basic gear for all our magic item slots.
>>35284562rings and gloves are different. One is an accesory and the other is armor, they dont interfere with eachother, same as head accessories and helmets>>35284593Ah, you were asking about that type of enchantments. In my mind, I differentiate between enchantments and enhancements.Yeah, if you place a 4th card in something with only 3 slots, you lose all the card enhancementsAlso, he knows nothing about southern enchanting styles. He was talking about norhtern styles. The cardsah thanks, going to change the cards to the helmet, i had forgotten for a moment>>35284602lolNo, you can still cast 1 spell per turn. Only the archdruid can cast 2 spells per turn, and that is only if it summons "The Sister". See archdruid for more info>>35284642It was so funny seeing you guys worry about MP just because noone thought about this before.Yes, you could cast your spells through your sword and drain HP and MP that way.>>35284711This is me being a dick and not spoon-feeding you stuff, btw>>35284716>>35284737You are both right but it takes 3 tears per ring
>>35284716I thought a ring = tear + metalI was not aware that the rings used up the strands of hair as well.so, we used 4 tears + 4 strands for 4 rings?sounds like 1 for mom, 1 for lyann, 1 for us, one for ellie.the remaining 8 tears though, I think we should have them crafted together into one super item.
>>35284684We already have a 2-slot Shield for Lyann.Crystal Shield +5 Armor +10 SR / 2 slotsShe just needs a weapon to go with it.
>>352848101 strand + 3 tears = 1 ring
>>35284765>>armament:>Main hand weapon>Off hand shield/weapon>>Accessories:>Earrings/Head>Amulet/Neck>Bracelets/Wrist>Rings/Hands>Anklet/Feet>>Armor:>Helmet>Pauldrons>Arms>Chest>Hips & Thighs>Shinssome things don't carry slots.>Currently lyann has 2 accessories (only one enchanted), no armor, no armamentswith her ankle bracelet alone she actually has 6 slots. because we passed every roll and even got a 100 on 1.
>>35284829We need a shield for ourselves, in that case. Since we're going to be using the sword exclusively from now on.
>>35284850We are?What happened to casting spells?
>>35284768Can we go looking for gloves and shields, then?
>>35284768>rings and gloves are different. One is an accesory and the other is armor, they dont interfere with eachother, same as head accessories and helmetsyou put them down as a single slot which implies they do interfere.If they don't then that means they are two separate slots, one for rings, one for gloves.also, how many magic rings can you wear at once?
>>35284768>I differentiate between enchantments and enhancements.Then this needs to be bolded.>Enchantments = Southern Enchanting, infusing items directly with magical effects.>Enhancements = Northern Enchanting, using Cards and Slots to provide items with new abilities and powers
>>35284871Read >>35284768MP drain from weapons works on spells.
>>35284768>Yeah, if you place a 4th card in something with only 3 slots, you lose all the card enhancementswhat effect does that have on an item with innate magic (like angel rings) and on southern magic?I am thinking for the best item you want to stack all 3>Innate magic (from quality materials)>Southern enchanting>Northern enchantingfinding out the order at which those need to go at is important.also, if we prove that the 3 stack we can probably publish it (without even revealing the slot notion) and perhaps convince the adventurer guild to differentiate between the 3 types of stacking enchantments an item can hold.
>>35284830oh... well that added up exactly then. i guess we are out of materials.>>35284842>with her ankle bracelet alone she actually has 6 slots. because we passed every roll and even got a 100 on 1.so? she still has an unenchanted angel ring as well as no armaments and no armor.meaning lots of item types she could be wearing
>>35284976>so? she still has an unenchanted angel ring as well as no armaments and no armor.>meaning lots of item types she could be wearingif you're the same guy I responded to. My point was 13-14 is not the limit.the limit of cards on a full set of armor/accessories is more like 30-50+ If we have the best crafted gear.point being-Guys we should try and continue. And leave all this chat for after thread ends. So we can move the plot along. given he only x time left.
>>35284879Healing staff (6 slots)A 2-handed staff created by the Church of Light, in Eopolis. It doubles the potency of healing spells.+150 Wisdom2000gWhen we're rich enough. MP drain + kobold card.+ 4 other cards we shall be gods.
>>35284768>card enhancementsOKAY...let's add a kobold card to lyann's spear.Enchant our helmet with incubus+kobold. Enchant our armor with succubus+kobold.Do the same to our remaining two armor/helmet pairs. Then Keep them for later to decide who should have them.Also, we should always cast spells through our sword from now on. ALWAYS.
>>35284879As many as you want but only the one with the best materials works at the same timeAlright the helmet and chestplate ended up like this5 slot Fine Steel helmetIncubus Card.INT -60, Max MP +300 and MP natural recovery -40%.If the user is equipped with an item enhanced with the Succubus card,it adds INT +20, Mac MP +300 and MP natural recovery +20% instead of its normal bonuses.] [Kobold] Card4 slots Fine Steel chestplateSuccubus Card.CON -60, Max HP +2000 and HP natural recovery -40%.If the user is equipped with an item enhanced by the Incubus card,it adds CON +20, Max HP +2000 and HP natural recovery +20% instead of its normal bonuses.[Kobold] CardWould be so funny to give the helmet to someone with CON under 60 and see what happens>>35284905I thought you guys would think of it when you asked me to cast spells through the bow and I said "okay">>35284941>what effect does that have on an item with innate magic (like angel rings) and on southern magic?Currently none. If we later develop a series of enchanents that power up WITH cards, then yes, everything would be lost
>>35284900you forgot inherent magic (like the power of the angel rings) which is neither of the above two.also, their names are way too damn similar.I am thinking that we should push for getting people to call the 3 different stacking enchantment types:>Inherent - comes from materials>Infused - southern enchantment>Carded - northern enchantmentwe could give a guest lecture or some such.
>>35285056He was talking about Total Magic ITEMS, not total Slots.
>>35285125>CON +20, Max HP +2000God damn. Yeah, we're the main tank now.
>>35285125King what about the spear I voted to put the Marina card in it along with a Kobold Card so it would freeze on hit.
>>35285125Holy shit we now have 3600+ HP
>>35285193The spear already has a card in it, that's more useful than the combo you're talking about. Give the spear a kobold card and call it done.
>>35285132I didn't mention inherent magic because I was only referring to the difference between Enhancement and Enchantment that King was making. If we can show that the three stack in a reproducible manner, and assuming no one else has already written about it, this should be good enough for our PhD thesis and get us a professorship at the college.
>>35285125>Alright the helmet and chestplate ended up like this so did the kobold card double the bonuses? or some other effect?either way, equip them now if they haven't been already.
>>35285125Now we just need to get Miiyau and Ardkill weapons with ghost+kobold on them. So they can have enough mana to heal us.
>>35285221>this should be good enough for our PhD thesis and get us a professorship at the college.it would be, yes.heh, i bet in a year we would unlock the archmage class too.
>>35285283Actually, how does mp drain interact with healing?
>>35285228they doubled the 1000HP and 150Mp and the recovery rate.>>35285213yes we make our dad look like a bitch.except its' 3090 and our dad has 1215
>>35285228Yeah it simply doubled all numeric effects including the drawback when not in a set. Can we stack multiple instances of the same card on one item? +6000 hp sounds pretty sick.
>>35285215No it has 2 empty slots left if we put a kobold it would have the same enchantment as our sword that steals MP per damage. But as Mamluk she'll rely more on his weapon that skills unlike mages so a weapon that freezen on hit would be better.
>>35285125sweet, equip both.Out of curiosity, can we read up to see if anyone has tried doubling up a card of the same type?As in, sticking 3 incubus cards into the helmet and 3 succubus card into the chestplate?
>>35285306we make everyone look like a bitch, we are crazy op.
>>35285321But as Mamluk, wouldn't a weapon that drains HP and give it back to her be better?Or are you going for an Eldrick = tank ,Lyann = Crowd Control/off-tank setup?
>>35285306We have 1619 base HP, look at >>35279166
>>35285125>succubus cards>dropped when succubi die>countless Aura's had to die for our armor
>>35285167This is our new statsEldric Lightbringer9 years old HumanLevel 1 Avenger, 16 Noble, 4 Paladin, 16 Ranger, 16 Scion, 16 WizardOff: 10 Healer, 10 Knight127 Str229 Dex151 Con (+20 / +30HP every day)135 Int (+20)260 Wis (+52MP every day)76 Cha41 App1619 HP (3797)395 MP (695)PDV 72/MDV 76Armor 45/SR 46+20+16 Elemental+14+9 Divine+58 Melee Weapons+35 Ranged WeaponsItem Box 16 slotsarmor prof: L, M. Hweapon tricks Off & Defbonus poInts 32>>35285193Thats fine with me>>35285283I wonder... I ...I GUESS the summons would gain on-hit drain if we summoned them with the sword... I want to say yes uf only because its an epic weapon...>>35285317AFAIK cards dont stack. The Zenite card gives 20% damage resistance and people HAS tried to stack them to no effect
So, Lyann needs to be barely dressed for her dancing.is there any chance we can equip her with a mithril chainmail bikini for those armor slots?
>>35285125>Would be so funny to give the helmet to someone with CON under 60 and see what happens Give a set to mako and obaka. being nobles they can equip any kind of armor, unlike slaves who can't really wear the equipment.add kobold to lyann spear.go to foodgeon and let the the dwarven farmers watch in awe as we bombard their monster crops with hours of spell barrage(through our sword) without tiring.
>>35285396:(now i am sad, i didn't even realizewait. didn't we find our first one as a monster drop in a dungeon?oh shit, i wonder if there a human/dwarf/elf card... actually, since succubus and incubus are same species but different gender.Elf-female Elf-male etc
>>35285421I vote against adding freeze to the spear. Give it a kobold card.If we want to turn her into a front line fighter, she needs a weapon with HP drain anyway.Can we go buy gloves and a shield?
>>35285421Wasn't our con +4 last thread? did we just burn 16 bonus points on con? also, I propose we put all the remaining bonus points into elemental magic since it has the best ROI since we get very little +elemental magic per level. compared to base attributes which we get lots of
>>35285510...No bonus points were spentHave you really not been following the conversation at all?
>>35285465The enchants either ain't very good or frowned upon because everyone knows how you got it. If there are, I bet there's a thriving black market on those. A kind of side benefit to being an assassin, or waging war.
>>35285421>I wonder... I ...I GUESS the summons would gain on-hit drain if we summoned them with the sword... I want to say yes uf only because its an epic weapon...ladies and gentlemen. lets go Thaumaturgefor every spell we cast. We can summon.5 casts and we have 5 summons wrecking shit for 5 minutes. gaining mana for us.. or is we choose hp..I think we just broke the game.
>>35285125>Fine steel helm>Fine steel chestpieceok, goodnow to find>Fine steel Pauldrons>Fine steel Arms>Fine steel Hips & Thighs>Fine steel Shinsto complete our set
>>35285558Our armor is already equivalent, we just need gloves because they have card slots.
>>35285558We already bought the other parts of the set back here >>35283745>you also want to buy pauldrons and legs and arms protectors so 9g total for two sets of heavy armor made in Ñfine steel]. Thats 24 armor each set
>>35285525>>This character sheet shows we have spent bonus points since last thread, but I did not see it happen>...No bonus points were spent>Have you really not been following the conversation at all?have you tried actually reading a post before replying to it?
>>35285396around 900+Its a rare drop>>35285424I... want to say yes... but honestly right now I dont know. If you research into that when you get back to the university Ill have an answer by then>>35285465Okaba mentioned earlier that Succubus are considered monsters. Thats because they drop loot/cards while other humanoids dont>>35285510That +4 was a mental reminder to myself that the con bonus went up by +4 so I had to adjust our hp giving us +4 hp per level on everything. Think nothing of it. I should have erased it before anyone else saw it.sometimes I write memos to myself. Usually erase them, tho>>35285558we already did.
>>35285579alright, thanks. in that case lets find gloves then.
>>35285609So you literally are retarded. The bonuses to con and int are from the armor set you moron.
>>35285538>ladies and gentlemen. lets go Thaumaturge>for every spell we cast. We can summon.>5 casts and we have 5 summons wrecking shit for 5 minutes.>gaining mana for us.. or is we choose hp..>I think we just broke the game.This is not a significant reason to go thaumaturge.As each summon has a +60 to hit/damage/pdv/mdv, and we don't have a way to go over our capacity. So 5 summons can't give us more usable mana then 1, not unless we're spending hundreds of mana every turn.Still prefer archmages 'shoot everything with one spell' to thaumaturges 'two spells for one.especially since the biggest advantage of thaumaturge is something we already have, access to both divine and elemental magic.we're only 4 levels away from arcanist, which should have a bonus until it catches up to our wizard level, so we should be able to reach archmage in a couple years.
>>35285628>we already did.We didn't get a roll to see if the gloves had slots?
>>35285711None of the advanced classes are worth leveling. They're worth UNLOCKING, and using when shit gets real, but wizard gives better stat bonuses per level.
>>35285738Yeah, you're retarded.
>>35285628Over 900 sentient creatures slaughtered so we can have a good enchant...Do succubi kill people when they bone them if they choose to and is that a common tactic for them? Knowing Aura is making this hit a little close to home.>>35285746Comes a point where you have diminishing returns man. Gonna have to level something else up eventually.
>>35285711can't we be both thaumaturge AND archmage?also I agree with you that archmage is better. summons are nice, but spamming super high damage AoE that only targets enemies is too delicious to pass on.
>>35285636no, it was my fault. That +4 was a memo I wrote to myself and later forgot to eraseAnyway***We pay the dwarf a few silver coins, and ask him to add our cards to the gear we just bought.He lifts an eyebrown when we give him a succubus, incubus, and two kobold cards"Lad, are you sure about this?""Yes sir. Don't worry about it""Well... whatever"A few minutes later"I am honestly surprised that every card went in""I'm just lucky that way""Well, now you got yourself some wonderfully cursed gear""It's alright, it's all part of the plan"You store the items away in your item vox, and go back to the innAlong the way, you hear the locals talking about the centipede coach, and saying that there's all sorts of monsters crawling around these days."As if that crazy drake wasnt bad enough"Naturally, you ask them what that is about.As it turns out, there is a enraged, rare variety of drake that has been wondering around the area. It probably steered clear from your group because of the MONSTER COACH scaring it away, but it has been attacking all caravans and travellers as of lateYou thank them for the info and go back to the inn1/?
>>35285746>They're worth UNLOCKING, and using when shit gets real,and archmage has a really good ability that's really worth unlocking.though it does seem like we'll want to level up to the third tier classes then drop back down to basic classes except when we want an ability turned on.
>>35285798Ooh, we can go kill it, steal its babies and turn them into pets.
>>35285711>Still prefer archmages 'shoot everything with one spell' to thaumaturges 'two spells for one.except we can use that along with the archmages skill to nuke everything.I just like the idea our mother put in our head. Im full on going for archmage.Just saying it'd be nice to have that. Also 1 spell trick for unlocking it. and +1 every 10 levels isn't bad. into metal mastery or some shit.+ 1 elemental and divine every level.
>>35285830we wanted true dragons though, not drakes...then again true dragons are notoriously hard to tame... then again it might have to do with inhumane treatmenti am also wondering if drakes are sapient.
>>35285830We need Beastlord's Taming ability for that. People wanted to turn off Ranger before we can get it, so that's not happening.
>>35285866We have the monster goo from way back when.
>>35285798>but it has been attacking all caravans and travellers as of late...time to use our monster juice and gain a pet.
>>35285879ohh forgot about that awesome.
>>35285746In general we should probably acquire as many basic jobs as we can and rank them up for the ability points (that remain even when the class is disabled). Stuff like cook, smith, merchant, thief, courtesan, etcAlso, before going into a particularly tough battle we can enable ALL our jobs. it would spread our XP very thin, but we would have some really nice stuff.. especially if we acquire a lot of jobs with passives.
>>35285897Mom's going to be just thrilled when we come back with a baby drake pet. Thrilled.
>>35285879But shouldn't we save it for something harder to tame?
>>35285798sorry to just throw this in here..but when you said the princess was a wizard while being a singer.>Noble: The realm has a long tradition of heroes who are then elevated to the status of Nobles. Since you come from such a bloodline, this class replaces Warrior for you>(P) Scavenger: +3% Chance of rare item drops.next time we find something. unless you're already doing that. Then I'll just stfu.
>>35285746I am actually curious about the XP cost scaling for levelsIt might just be that it is in our benefit to have as many classes as possible and have ALL of them on at all times.sure, splitting XP into 20 seems harsh. but if scaling is exponential it could mean 20 classes at level 10 instead of 1 class at level 20. meaning 10x increase to our attributes. Which would be godly all around.
>>35285977>But shouldn't we save it for something harder to tame?If we wait until later, we might not have years to train a baby monster.
>>35285977The only thing harder we know about is dragons, and that might be tantamout to enslaving a sapient creature.>>35285953Yup. I figure our leveling process should be aquiring a new job, going into a dungeon with only it and scion turned on, then swapping once we get to level 20 or so on it. We can use our sword+shield at all times, so we'll never be a burden on the party. Might have to swap Lyann to wizard for the ranged dps, though.
>>35285977>But shouldn't we save it for something harder to tame?Honestly, we should unlock the ranger ability to tame, and then sell the goo.or. we use it now and buy more goo later when we run out.
>>35285953>Also, before going into a particularly tough battle we can enable ALL our jobs.advanced classes draw their abilities from the classes below them. So you wouldn't need basic classes active to access their abilities.
>>35286010It'd still be better to level them serially. Getting a single class to level 10 will be much quicker and give us use of its stat bonus/level much sooner than trying to level 20 at once. You'd get the same total in the end, but doing one at a time will make things easier.
>>35286029>Might have to swap Lyann to wizard for the ranged dps, though.she is currently a hybrid class that makes her half wizard half dancer. And she unlocked a hybrid class that is half wizard half singer.When she levels both enough she will unlock the tier 3 hybrid class wizard/singer/dancer.
>>35286075that is true. however it will rob of a lot of passive and active abilities which means we are killing monsters slower and thus earning XP slower.I think the best solution is to get some sort of balance. Have several core jobs that are always on. and then rotate 1 extra job slot between a whole bunch of different ones for XP.Although honestly, I was thinking of just having them all on all the time for the sake of simplicity.
>>35286076>And she unlocked a hybrid class that is half wizard half singer.No she didn't.She unlocked Courtesan, which is Dancer/Thief.
>>35286135>it will rob of a lot of passive and active abilitiesEh. We have a full party behind us, and most of the passives and actives are really geared towards making one man armies. I don't see our clearing speed being much affected. Especially if we enchant our equipment correctly.
>>35282883>Priests can manipulate dungeons>Priests can remove cursed items>Priests are known to be able to change people's classesHey, we should try to unlock the secret class priest.that way we can take off lyann's cursed cuffs when she isn't in a dungeon. as well as justify our ability to change people's classalso, being such a meta class, I bet with our scion power we could potentially push it to new and interesting heights of broken.So guys, how about it? priest class?
>>35286173She's a seducer, anon. Wizard/Dancer.
>>35285711Just my wo cents, but have you READ arcanist and archmage?>>35285714I forgot, sorry. Lets save time and say we dound 2 with 2 slots because holy fuck we have been rolling horrible today>>35285746Arcanist is the only arcane job that gives +2 elemental per level, tho>>35285780They went the opposite route from the skunkThey just smell utterly and completely fucking fuckably deliciousDefense Mechanism.Now, some will stab you while having sex? yesBut I didint give them any energy drain ability in this setting.They are just pretty much irresistible if they choose to be soNotice that as much as Aura always teases Okaba, this means she could probably FORCE him to have sex with her if she REALLY wanted to.Whatever she does, it never goes past playful teasing between them.I mean, everything is relative.If she was any other species, she would pretty much be a slut for constantly throwing herself at him.But given her natural scent power, she COULD go all the way with him if she really wanted to force him>>35285955Im laughing alreadySpecially with a baby in the house>>35286005>replaces Warrior for youThe fuck did I type? that should be "villager" if anything>>35286076Courtesan is 1/2 dancer 1/2 thiefSeducer is 1/2 dancer 1/2 Wizard***You go back into the inn, and find Aura sitting on the floor next to Okaba, rubbing her face on his left hand while he pets her out of sheer reflex by now.He's having a flag of some sort of alcoholic beverage...Well, he's over a hundred years old, he can drink whatever he wants."Where's everyone else?" -asks Lyann"They're up in the princesses room" -answeres Aura with a little smile"Oh, Eldric welcome back. Did you had a plasant stroll?" -asks Okaba"Yes. It was truly productive. Did you know there's a drake going around, attacking people!?"2/?
>>35286173>No she didn't.yes she did, see below:>>35282752>>Didn't lyann unlocked the singer ability?>The singer job, yes>Im actually thinking in making a "bard" secret job. You know, someone who dances and singsLyann has unlocked the singer job, it is not on her character sheet and won't be until we change her job to itwhich automatically gives it to her as a level 1 job... incidentally, we should do that to ALL jobs because disabled level 1 jobs give +15 ability points each and don't cost anything. with a few minutes we can massively empower anyone we care about
>>35286210>>>35286076(You)>Courtesan is 1/2 dancer 1/2 thief>Seducer is 1/2 dancer 1/2 Wizardyea, I know.I was saying that she is currently a seducer (her active job) and she unlocked the singer job as you said in >>35282752 from training with mako (who is a singer).And would combine seducer and singer into bard, a t3 class (eventually).
>>35286239Yes, she did unlock Singer.But the post I was replying to said she had unlocked a hybrid Dancer/Singer Job, which is patently false.Did you read what I was replying to?She needs at least 10 levels of Singer to unlock a hybrid, and that's if there aren't any other special requirements.
>>35286210>Just my wo cents, but have you READ arcanist and archmage?archmage, i've read. Though I don't know if you've altered it. I remember it having an ability to use single target spells on many targets with no increase in cost.is that incorrect?
>>35286210>Arcanist is the only arcane job that gives +2 elemental per level, thothat is pretty nice.also, can we go ahead and put all our 32 bonus points into elemental magic?
>>35286210And yet, she does not, meaning she wants a deeper relationship with him. She doesn't want his dick, she wants his heart and soul. You can never force someone to truly love you, good thing it seems she knows this.
>>35286210Yeah, arcanist is one of the few advanced classes I can see us leveling.for stats. Actually, looking at the classes, have we ever summoned our knight mount?
>>35286338>But the post I was replying to said she had unlocked a hybrid Dancer/Singer Job, which is patently false.that isn't what it said>>35286076>she is currently a hybrid class that makes her half wizard half dancer. And she unlocked a hybrid class that is half wizard half singer.>When she levels both enough she will unlock the tier 3 hybrid class wizard/singer/dancer.
>>35286415>And she unlocked a hybrid class that is half wizard half singer.Half Wizard Half Singer.That's not something she's unlocked.In fact, no such job is currently listed.
>>35286239She had to "train" for a couple of months to get it, tho. But yes you can unlock it for her and give her level 1Would need a few months of training for each other basic job you want to unlock, tho>>35286210"Uhmm... well, I'll shoot it down if I see it" -he says"That's it?""Sure. We have the princess' shadows, you, and Aura. I can probably afford to shoot down a drake for the locals.""Just like that?""Well, I won't be able to use any other spells for a while, but if that thing is still alive after that, it'll be a dragon. not a drake" -says Okaba"Ah, master can 1-shot pretty much anything" -says Aura as she looks at us with a smile, hands up near her shoulders, obviously excited about the subject"Well... I kind of wanted to tame it""We are going to visit Honoria's home, remember? I doubt the dwarves would let you sit it down on a stable inside the town.""Aww...""Well, maybe if we catch it on the way back?""Someone will have killed it by then""Who knows"Lyann holds your hand and smiles at you to try and comfort you. It seems the prince has this bad habit of shooting you down when you are super excited.>>35286344It's sort of correct... you should read the latest pdf. I finally wrote down the class, hold on
>>35286348It's not going to give us more spells, though.
>>35286348I don't think it would be wise.thrust is nice.cascade lost it's sparkle once we've set focus to archmage.OP could you enlighten us on what exactly is dragon force?
>>35286480Could you add the known skills to its section? Like melee/ranged weapons, elemental, divine. Do we know of any others?
>>35286480If we had Beastlord, we wouldn't have to worry about stabling it, since we could just put it into an extra-dimensional space for safekeeping.We can ask Honoria if we can keep the drake if we bring it. No sense in not asking.
>>35280430I recommend that every thread, on the second post, you put in a few links such as:>Latest rules PDFhttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/35260292/images/1412269562114.pdf>Twitterhttps://twitter.com/MagSgamE
>>35286572a power metal group?
>>35286499>>35286572it will give us a bonus to damagealso we can keep stacking more damage bonuses (IIRC its 20% per spell trick)Also, what else would we spend it on? attributes we have coming out the ass from the many basic classes
>>35286648We'll have elemental coming from both wizard and arcanist, so dumping points there isn't a priority either. Save the points for now.
>>35286480>She had to "train" for a couple of months to get it, tho. But yes you can unlock it for her and give her level 1>Would need a few months of training for each other basic job you want to unlock, thoBut there is no reason to not give level 1 and then disable every class that we HAVE unlocked, yes?so, can you please go ahead and give it to her at level 1 (disabled). and for that matter, every other job we or she unlocked at level 1 disabled?
>>35286364saved as aura 001.jpg>>35286572>what exactly is dragon force?The hardest Metal Known to Man?Pic relatedSeriously tho, its basucally an ability that channels all your MP into a single blast of power. Remember that you do three times the damage of a spell's cost. So if you spent 600 MP on a single spell, you are doing 1800 damage>>35286377No we haven't. Im waiting to see when you guys will.>>35286499This is correct***"C'mon, sit with me and have a meal. We are going to an ancient dwarven city fortress, you know? I am sure we will see more than enough wonders to make up for losing on an overgrown flying lizard"-sigh- "Do they have anything good to eat.""Try the roasted mole meat with honey""Alright"Lyann very timidly sits on the floor next to us, imitating Aura. We stare at her and have her sit with us.She is bright red when she sits at the table, and looking down in embarrasment. It was probably somewhat hard for her to try that
>>35286710Aura is really being a badgood influence on her.
>>35286710When we leave the town, let's summon our knight mount and ride it for a bit.
>>35286867For some reason I'm imagining Eldric's mount as a Dire Corgi.
>>35286921>inb4 it's a baby gold dragon
>>35286710>No we haven't. Im waiting to see when you guys will.Are mounts like summons, in that they are shaped by our image of them, or are we calling actual creatures?
>>35286778indeed since she seems to be the lewdest kind of succubus, the kind that have procreational sex while holding hand with her beloved
>>35286710I think at some point we should start experimenting more with magic, doesnt matter if we create shit more than we create good stuff, it'd be fun to try
>>35286940>baby gold dragona fitting mount for a young hero.
>>35286979This is blue board, get that smut off of here.
>>35286980>think at some point we should start experimenting more with magicyeah, i'd really like to get into enchantment.
>>35286574not sure what you are asking me to add, sorry. Could you elaborate further?>>35286613this is correct>>35286615I normally post the pdf on the 2nd thread. Today I didint because it hasnt gone through any meaningful changes>>35286681Fine, Ill do it for next week's thread, but it will reduce our exp gain a little bit. Not much on the grans scheme of things, tho***You are sharing the room with Okaba that night. On his instruction, Aura is spending the night in the carriage.Apparently the prince is worried about the effect her scent would have on the girls overnight, on a enclosed space.You ask him a bit about his home. He describes it as a land of beautiful plains and luscious jungles, dotted by tall mountains.Cascades fall thousands of feet, their spray gently soaking the jungle far beneath. There are massive trees in the plains, where jaguars laze about under the sun, and the lion walks the savanah like a general before its troops."You'd probably be more interested in the flying cities, tho" -he turns around to sleep, with a smile"Wait what?""Goodnight, Eldric""That was a joke, right? Okaba? hey? Okaba?""Good night, young Eldric"The following day, you try summoning your mountYou get an egg.It is almost 1/2 as tall as you are. It has the same symbol engraved on it as your sword's pommel."What is that?" -asks Ami as she looks down at it from the coach's window"...my mount""Ooooh. how do you ride it!?""I have no idea"Okaba walks over and crouches down in front of it"Oh, it's ...uhmm""You are doing that on purpose, aren't you?"1/?
>>35286979Damn how lewd can you get?
>>35287027For the 'Skills and Tricks' section on page 4, could you start it off with a list of all known skills before going into their tricks? also, We're not going to be able to unsummon this, are we?
>>35287064>eldrics face when
>>35287145I guess that means we can take on the drake, I want to test our new armor
>>35287198Nah man, we're probably going to spend the rest of the trip cuddling our baby dragon.
>>35287027"Well, this color... and this smoothness. Can I lift it?" -asks you Okaba"What is it?!" -you ask"You had never tried calling it before, I see""Well...""Here, hold on to it. It should hatch in a few hours""But what is it?""It is entirely up to you." -he says"What do you mean?""It will be a reflextion of your wishes, forged by your mental discipline. I believe it is a good thing you did not try this before, as you would not have been able to shape it properly""So it depends on what I want it to be?""Yes""GoldendragonGoldendragonGoldendragonGoldendragonGoldendragonGoldendragonGoldendragonGoldendragon""That's the spirit. C'mon, climb unto the carriage and keep focusing""GoldendragonGoldendragonGoldendragonGoldendragonGoldendragonGoldendragonGoldendragonGoldendragon"",,," -Mako says something and stretches her hand towards it, softly. Then looks at you for permission to caress it"Ah, sure, go ahead"Mako gently pats pats the large egg, then caresses it with a refreshing smile"The princess says she'd like a kirin." -says Mai, hanging upside down outside the window"What are you doing there?" -asks Okaba"Well, yesterday there was noone to speak for her, so she was lonely.""...get into the carriage, please" -says Okaba"I don't think it'd be proper" -she says"Well... as long as you are comfortable""Oooh, neat! is that a gryphon egg?" -says Honoria when she sees it, climbing aboard the carriage"It remains to be seen" -says Okaba"Goldendragon!" -says youMako kneels down in front of you to caress the egg with both hands and press her cheek unto it*Have Mako sit back on her seat*Focus really read on the egg*Let her hold it*Other
>>35286679at the tune of +1 per wizard level and +2 per arcanist level.magic is the toughest thing to raise.Your typical basic job gives>+1 magic (elemental or divine) or +2 combat skill (melee or ranged or half and half) or special power>+15 attributes>HP/MPsome don't give magic OR combat.typical advanced jobs give>+2 magics (elemental/divine or one each) or +4 combat skills (melee, ranged, or half and half) or special power>+10 attributes>HP/MPBonus points can go into magic, combat, or attributes at a rate of 1 bonus points per point.Even if you ignore jobs that give neither magic nor combat skill levels. putting bonus points into a spell level gives 2x the ROI of putting it into combat skills. And either 15x the ROI of an attribute point for a basic job, 5x for an advanced one.Of course the ROI is even better because some jobs don't give any combat/magic abilities. only attributes.then again, I am lumping all attributes together, it is typically split up between 3 or 4 attributes. still the ROI is gonna be at least 4x when putting it on a magic.Add to that the fact that1. we kill almost all enemies via blasting them2. spell tricks every 10 levels.like>Blast – You cause your spell to explode upon impact, causing damage to all targets within 30” of your original target. A spell modified this way deals 3 points of damage for every 2 MP used to pay for its cost. You can pick this trick three times, improving the spell's Mana-to-Damage ratio from 2:3 to 1:2 and finally back to the 1:3 used by regular spells.>Elemental Mastery – You can pick this trick twice, the first time learning how to summon either Metal or Wood.
>>35287272>*Focus really read on the eggI mean, I don't want to break mako's heart, but cmon. Gold Dragon.
>>35287272*Focus really hard on the eggTime to act like a child waiting for Christmas presents.
>>35287272instead of just saying the words, use the same skill you use to alter a summon by focusing on your mental image of the being inside
>>35287272>*Let her hold itI kinda like her idea of a Kirin.
>>35287272>Focus really read on the eggA Kirin if fine too.
>>35287272>*Focus really hard on the egg>*Let her hold itWe can do both? hold hands...?
>>35287386what is a kirin?
>>35287272Question: If we provide buffs to the egg and the unformed creature inside, will it come out with some sort of permanent buff?
>>35287404Isn't it basically a unicorn?That said, goldendragongoldendragongoldendragongoldendragongoldendragon
>>35287272Kirin? Mako has good taste.Let her hold it.
>>35287272>Focus really hard on the egg>>35287027>Fine, Ill do it for next week's threadcool, thanks
>>35287272>FOCUS ON GOLDENDRAGON WE FLY NOW
>>35287427>Isn't it basically a unicorn?>golddragonso... a gold dragon with unicorn horn it uses to cast magic?
>>35287272>*Other: There is no Mako, there is no Okaba, there is no dofs, there is no carriage. There is only GOLDEN DRAGON. The World is the Egg. The Egg is the World. >>35287415We could always try. We could ask Mako to sing to it.
>>35287401I want to do this.
>>35287404>>35287427It's a mythical chimera-like beast.It's like a combination of dragon and unicorn, best of both.Flys, casts magic, high armor, is horse-like so easy to get a saddle.
>>35287283>then again, I am lumping all attributes togetherthinking about it, obviously they are lumped together since magic types are also lumped together as do combat (melee/ranged) since that is how the split works and the ratios remain.
>>35287272We'll make it up to Mako by letting her ride on our golden dragon while holding hands
>>35287528Well shit, that sounds better than a dragon. Let's go Kirin.
>>35287102>We're not going to be able to unsummon this, are we?Not until it is born, but it should be just a few hoursThere's only 2 weapon skills, ranged and meleeThen there's 2 magical skills, divine and elemental>>35287404Basically a holydragonhorseunicorn fusionTyping
>>35287272*Focus really read on the eggKirin
>>35287565Can we get that, please? It looks awesome.
>>35287565Eh, i'd still prefer a gold dragon. They look badass.
>>35287272Let Mako hold it.
>>35287565from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qilinit seems that it does not have wingsnor does it have a unicorn horn. just antlers.I am thinking a more better hybrid of unicorn and dragonthat being said, we shouldn't overly focus on the physical appearance. treat it like summon shaping and visualize not just what it looks like, but what it can do too
>>35287565Still like the idea of golden dragon
>>35287621now that's a fucken mount
>>35287627hold it together
>>35287272>*Focus really read on the eggFocus on golden dragon!It's noble temperment, ability to talk, shapeshift, ability to use magic, and being able to be around people without being dickish.Who cares if gold dragons aren't a thing, they will be in a few hours.Focus, eldric. Focus, like you've never focused before!
Dragons are boring, thats what everybody chooses. You never see a Kirin though. We should get that.
>>35287565You focus as hard as you can on the egg, trying to shape it as a golden dragon.Meanwhile, Mako sings a kirin legend to it.Focus... dragon... dragon... dragin...draugrin... no, no... dragon... dragon...***Alright, I guess we should vote for it1 - Kirin2 - dragon3 - shapeshifting angel-like loli that turns into a giant chocobostart voting
>>35287696>2 - dragon
Listen, folks, it doesn't matter how old you are. When the prospect of a golden dragon mount arises, you abandon all pretenses and get as giddy as a goddamn child at christmas time, and you only put on a brave face if you'll lose it for immaturity.
>>35287696>2 - dragonsorry Mako
>>35287696>2-DragonYou've been reading too much shieldbro I have too
>>35287696>1 - KirinThat third one, what the hell.
>>35287696>1 - Kirin
>>352876962 - dragon
>>35287621beautifulbut here, i made a quick edit so that everyone can be happy
>>35287742>>1 - Kirin>>35287740>>2-Dragon>>35287738>>2 - dragon>>35287727>>2 - dragon>>35287708>>2 - dragon guys, respond only with the number or we can't tell duplicate votes.
Man, we coulda had something rare and interesting, but no, people want a stupid dragon.
>>35287798Since when was this a final destination?
>>35287696why is 3 so tempting?
>>35287798Not final destination
>>35287696can we have a dragon/kirin hybrid?
>>35287696Can we imagine our dragon as a shapeshifter too?I'd like it we could bring our dragon with us and disguise it as a person.
>>35287696>dragonbro ends up having such a ridiculous appearance stat he steals all the ladies from us when he's in human form
>>35287696Some awesome Gold Dragon/Kirin cross.Egg was fueled by both ideals.Maybe a golden scaled Kirin with great gold dragon wings, with eventual dragon scale.
>>35287874*GASP* NOW WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BROTHER TOO
>>35287873Kirin's are already a hybrid of a horse and a dragon.
>>35287892ah, meant to quote >>35287874
>>35287904which has too much horse and not enough dragon. see picture
>>35287935Yeah, they've always looked kind of dopey to me.
>>35287708>>35287727>>35287733>>35287740>>35287774Dragon +++++>>35287717>>35287742 (I can see the future! youll remember me in a couple of months)Kirin ++***You finally feel the egg crack after a few hours.There's a soft little chirp coming out from inside, and you see some sort of snout trying to push away the egg shell fragmentsMako sits back and stares at it expectantly with both hands near her shouldersOkaba smiles as he wastchesAfter a few moments, you see a small golden head...well, its more yellowish right now."Can you tell the other carriage we are going to stop for a while?" -he asks Mai"Certainly" -she ninjaway back to the other carriageIt looks like a golden yoshi, with wings.You really did manage to get a golden dragon, uh?Well, Mako is looking at it with big curious eyes anyway. She doesn't seems to dislike itYour new mount starts growing even as you hold it"Alright, that's it" -he stops the carriage- "let's go outside"Once outside, you place your mount on the ground, and it chirps softly as it falls back on its ass.Then it stands up on all four legs, and flaps its wings a couple of times. It is really growing quite fast."Oooh, you really wanted a dragon, uh?" -says Honoria- "I would have asked for a gryphon"The other carriage stops, and the girls come over to see what is going onMako gently caresses its snout, and the baby dragon nibbles on her fingers using its lips.It is still growing"OOooh, what's that?" -asks Aura"Young Eldric appears capable of summoning a mount""I thought he was a wizard?""So did I""Is that your mount, really!?" -Lyann walks over to your side and looks at it1/?
>>35287949they do look a bit funny
>>35287971>(I can see the future! youll remember me in a couple of months)oh, let me guess. we forced it into 1 or 2. but once it grows up some and unlocks its shapeshifting ability it becomes 3?
>>35287971"I'm alotta things! Now shush!"
>>35288029I'm trying to have a moment, here.
>>35288029Did mom ever find out more info about scions?she asked us to keep it a secret while she does research on itbut that was like, 2 years ago
>>35288070Eh, if anyone asks, we can say that our dad was a soldier and our mom was a wizard, so we ended up being a bit of both.
You know what we missed out on by not getting a Kirin? Kirins are fluffy. Dragons are hard and scaley.
>>35288131>not loving scaley hugspleb
>>35288097that isn't really how hybrid classes workalso we have already shown people we can heal and wizard and do a ton of different things.also, its more that i don't want to keep such a secret from our friends.
>It is still growingI hope this thing is an intelligent shapeshifter instead of just being a dumb dragon shaped mount.
>>35288158Pretty much. I don't feel the need to keep this a secret from anyone present.
>>35288158>also, its more that i don't want to keep such a secret from our friends.I can agree with this. Even if mom is going to thump us for being so careless.
>>35287971>>35287998This is what he was talking about, and yes she does turn into a giant bird
>>35288210We were despondent after our hopes for a drake pet got shot down. She'll understand.
>>35287998ah, i meant it because of the shield bro manga, but thats not a bad idea, really...***The dragon grows quickly. It soon reaches a pony-like size, and stops growing. Its scales are lustrous and shiny, it's wings stretch far over the carriage, and it chirps as if trying out ots throat.It really is a miniature dragon.You stare at itIt stares at you with large shining eyesAs you stretch your hand to pat it, it bites it. Just glomps unto it. It doesnt's actually bites you, just suckles on your hand like a baby.It's really warm in its mouth,It really is a baby, uh?"Chirp?" -it looks at you as you get your hand back, and then properly caress its head"Uhmm... I had never heard of a dragon being colored this way." -says Aura"Neither had I, but it is a creature from Eldric's heart.""Ah, it's really big, uh?" -asks Ami"It will growth. Both it and its owner" -says Okaba"Yes! yes!" -you hug it tightly, and it chirps happily- "So, how do I ride on it?""Just hop up for now. Next time you call for it, it should have a saddle and reins.""Awesome"
>>35288147Scales are only good when they come attached to lamia girl. Last II checked, our dragon ain't one.
>>35288236Athene's going to love him/her. Mom...maybe not so much.
>>35288236>>35280251>It cant be a disable and last forever, it can be a debuff, but not a disable. A disable means the enemy can do nothingI think you're misunderstanding something. I meant the fight-long debuff is the first active, and the disable is a possible second active.
>>35287565What about crafting skills?
>>35288210>I can agree with this. Even if mom is going to thump us for being so careless.which is why i asked if mom ever found out something in her research.we can probably revisit the issue with her before blabbingwe did promise her to keep quiet
>>35288236You climb unto it. You get the clear and immediate impression that your body is much larger now.More than riding something, it feels as if you were just bigger, a single thing. You try flapping your wings, and it works.You feel hungry, and a little bit tired.You are feeling eachother's minds.Your dragon is happy to feel you on is back. It feels as if you's belong there."I think I¿ll let it sleep for a bit. What do I feed it?""It shouldnt need to." -says Okaba- "then again, I'm no knight.""Well, it's hungry, and sleepy""..." -Mako hugs its neck. You feel warmth and softness as the little princess hugs it/you"Alright, let's have a few steps..."You have the ragon lift Mako so shes sitting in front of you. Her shadows jump forth when it bites on her dress, but calm down quickly when it sets her down in front of you"...azing" -says MakoYou walk around for a bit, then feel really sleepy, and hop down from the dragon before helping Mako to come down as well.You send it away, and it dissapears quietly, simply fading away in a moment.You are not sleepy anymore.***Let's stop here, guys. I think I owe my group to show on time once, for a change.Also need to archive the thread
>>35288236Does the dragon have levels? can we change it's class?If it has bonus points, then we should assign them to intelligence.
>>35288236are mounts known to be sapient?what happens to mounts when they are unsummoned?play around with the baby dragon
>>35288439It sounds like it's more like an extension of ourselves than a distinct being.
>>35288470>what happens to mounts when they are unsummoned?They get stored in an extra dimensional space.
>>35288429It usually works as dexterity against a set DC>>35288439honestly I have 2 ideas about that1) It is simply a magical extension of yourself. This way its easier because it has your AC, HP, Armor, etc. Its just you. When it gets hit, you get hit. That way its easier to handle it in combat2) Thats how it is NORMALLY but you somehow managed to summon an actual, different creature. Not sure on what to do if we go this routeShould I sort of go "vow of poverty" about it? as in, it cant use any items but it gets bonuses as you level up? should it get bonuses based on your knight-tree levels? all your levels together?
>>35288514what kind of extra dimensional space?are the frozen in time/sleeping/statis? or is it a magical realm of magical creatures where they interact with each other and other spirit creatures?
>>35288563its not the throne of heroes>implying you dont want to ride on berserker's shoulder
>>35288549>should it get bonuses based on your knight-tree levels?Maybe tie it to the noble class. Or scion, depending on how much of a special snowflake our mount is.
>>35288549>Should I sort of go "vow of poverty" about it? as in, it cant use any items but it gets bonuses as you level up? should it get bonuses based on your knight-tree levels? all your levels together? if it's a regular mount, than only knight levels,If it's a unique creature specific to us, than all the levels.I'm fine with a vow poverty on the mount. Unless it shapeshifts. Because then it would always be naked and we couldn't take it around town with us.
>>352885491 is going to make things a LOT simpler. sure, 2 is nice (from having another friend/family), but really complicates things and we already drowning in characters>Should I sort of go "vow of poverty" about it? as in, it cant use any items but it gets bonuses as you level up?yes please. again for simplicity sake>should it get bonuses based on your knight-tree levels? all your levels together?funny thing, for a normal knight those are the same thing. I think mount power should be its own category on the sheet, like the current "elemental magic" and "melee combat" "ranged combat". have a "mount power" that appropriate classes increase at +1 per level.
>>35288549Since we focused on both dragon and Qilin to some degree, will that be reflected in how it grows up? Will it end up as one of those Asian-style dragons?I would be incredibly okay with this.
>>35288549>2) Thats how it is NORMALLY but you somehow managed to summon an actual, different creature. Not sure on what to do if we go this routeYou could make it that when we're mounted, it does function as though 1) was true, except the higher of our two stats is applicable. Like, assume stats are:Us Dragon10 50 Strength50 10 IntThen our mounted stats would be50 strength50 intFor the purposes of combat checks.
>>35288606Why didn't Illya do that? Could have gotten around town a lot faster.
>>35288613>I'm fine with a vow poverty on the mount. Unless it shapeshifts. Because then it would always be naked and we couldn't take it around town with us.that is a good point. if it does end up being a shapeshifter it can't have a VOP.well... actually it can in retrospect. the way it works is that instead of full shapeshifting it has>Assume humanoid shapewhich is one specific humanoid shapeand then the VOP like thing is not actually a VOP but>Dragon scales>While in its dragon form, its magical scales use up all its magic slots, this means it cannot get any magical benefit from wearing any magic item in that form (only mundane items, so i guess non magical armor can give slight defense at cost of agility). instead it gains powerful assorted innate enchantments from its magical scales.
>>35288549>It usually works as dexterity against a set DCSo we would be pretty badass crafters, then?
>>35288691That'd almost make it bearable that we went with a boring dragon.
>>35288691thats not a bad ideaWell guys, will definitively try and get a lvl on every basic noble class for eldric, and write the duelist>>35288757Didint the VoP allow for some basic clothes?>mfw we just say its a dancerIs it a girl dragon, then? because the "my master" "no, MY master!" gags between Lyann and the dragon girl would be funny>>35288793yes, but like i always say, im stil writing the system and trying to balance it. I had actually been thinking about that since I answered and thinking"but wait, what if a thief became a crafter?"I guess craftsman level should help somehow else. Maybe by unlocking what sort of things we can work on, or by reducing the DCIm still ironing the wrinkles everywhere
>>35288837Kay, I will. What are you going to do about it.
>>35288549I think that, as a dragon, its "age" should effectively be determined by how many levels we have collectively.Say, if all our levels add up to be 100, then we have a dragon mount that is effectively 100 years old. A mature dragon, able to carry us around and fly and all that, but not something that can lay waste to entire armies.If all our levels add up to 600 however...then things start getting more interesting. Because we'll be riding what is effectively a 600 year old dragon, having 600 years worth of wisdom, intelligence, magical aptitude, and combat experience. Just swap out melee combat for beastial combat and ranged attack for Breath attack, and everything else adds up normally. I can even write up a rudimentary mount class starting at Whelp, if you want.
>>35288873Laugh at you? Because you're crying like a little bitch?
>>35288824>>35288852Sweet. I've always been a fan of those long-ass asian-style dragons. It might've been growing up with seeing Shenron in the DBZ opening or just Asian mythology in general being cool, but they're pretty ballin'.
>>35288852>Is it a girl dragon, then?I'd say no. It'd be a weird masturbation thing to have a fragment of our consciousness turn out to be a cute girl. I sort of like the idea of a little brother dragon, too.
>>35288852>Didint the VoP allow for some basic clothes?it does. but they can't be nice clothesalthough i don't like the flavor of the VoP. I think having innate magic scales that just "use up" all the magic item slots works really well. it works for NPC dragons too.there is no reason a superhumanly smart dragon isn't decking itself in magic gear. and it ruins the flavor of dragons when they don't fight au naturale.having their scales be actual magic that uses up the equipment slots solves it. as they age and grow bigger, their scales become more and more magical. incidentally, this makes scales better and better loot the stronger the dragon becomes.Also, with the above she will be able to use items in human form but not in dragon form. (well, as long as she actually loses the enchantment from the scales in humanoid form... alternatively she could keep said enchantments, regardless of whether she keeps the scales. she can wear whatever she wants because its not an actual vop, but items do not provide any magical buffs due to slots being filled with natural magic)
>>35288852I was always more of fan of the silvers or reds in terms of bodyshape than long asian snake things.
>>35288926>I'd say no. It'd be a weird masturbation thing to have a fragment of our consciousness turn out to be a cute girl.it makes perfect sense for a hetrosexual malealso>I sort of like the idea of a little brother dragon, too.a brother with linked thoughts?allows for DP sex with girlsalso, the thoughts are only linked when we are mounting him/her
>>35288549my vote goes for 1. Being its own creature with full intelligence should be restricted to pets.How about>Mount>Can be summoned whenever>We take any damage it takes>It's defense is based on its levelNormally this is lower than you due to not having armor, but having a high total level and/or high total level of classes with mounts gives it rather high innate defense.>It does not eat/drink/breathBecause it takes all that from you. A mount is slightly draining, and would be pretty much the only issue when summoning a 600yr old dragon mount.But seriously, read >>35288341
>>35288926Well, our will shapes it, but that doesn't mean it's part of our conscious. It just means we shaped how it would come out, it'd probably develop a sentience of its own.>>35288852I'd say, you're the QM. You make the call on the gender.
>>35289029>that doesn't mean it's part of our consciousThat's exactly what we've experienced when mounted.
>>35288897Yeah, they are pretty sweet. Can we have our dragon do that?
>>35289045Nah, i prefer something like >>35287621
>>35289081...It's a gold dragon.
>>35288852>Genderit is a magical being created by subconscious to serve as our magical mount and is a class feature. it is a summon.by all rights it should be genderless. Or maybe have a "gender" the same way our valkyrie does (that is, superficial imagination). unless we are subconsciously a pervert who wants to have sex with his mount..
>>35289081you mean tasteful and beautiful
>>35288997>it makes perfect sense for a hetrosexual maleWhen you're mind linked and both the dragon and you think each other is hot, how is that not weird?
>>35289092Alright so lets see...Duelist can be a evolution of knight, a hybrid knight wizard, and/or a secrett jobfor now thinking stance shift as passive. One that gives you more physical dodge, and other that gives you more magical dodgeFor active, probably attacks that debuff the enemy in some way. -5 to attack rolls per hit, up to your dex modifier?
>>35289179>>>Why would you imagine a dragon mount being female>>because hetrosexual male>When you're mind linked and both the dragon and you think each other is hot, how is that not weird?I didn't say it isn't weird now after the fact, but that has nothing to do with the argumentWe did not know about the mindlink when we formed the dragon's shape. it has been created by our desires to be our companion.
oh that reminds me, i was thinking about very very rage/legendary items being able to teach extra skills to some classesLike the Jambiya knife teaching thiefs how to steal a single attribute point, permanently, from a target
>>35288878Gonna post what I have.>Whelp, Lvl 1>>(P) A mount gains a level in Whelp for every level its owner has in Knight>>(P)A mount gains a bonus point for every level its owner has, regardless of job or class>Whelp Lvl 10 gains access to the following, and is able to gain a level in one of these and the extended classes for every level it gains in whelp.>>Royal Mount>Focused on appearing noble, yet still having a 'Dazzle' effect. Royal mounts are meant more for command, and therefore are able to add buffs and inspire allies.>>Beast of Burden>Beasts of burden aren't particularly pretty, nor are they all combat oriented, but they do have two very interesting effects. First off, they have their own item box, with a capacity equal to their Beast of Burden levels. Second, they have been known to make drops slightly better when they are in a party.>>Battlemount>What's there to say? It charges, it fights, it kicks and bites and does whatever it can to help you kill the enemy. Some smarter beasts can even learn spells through levels in this class.>>Showbeast>The most dazzling mounts can make enemies come up short, halting a charge and even making them flee. Such beasts have to have SOME of the skill to back that up, but for most it's all about ruining your foe before they strike. A showbeast is all about show.I can do more, but that should be good for now.
>>35289304>steal a single attribute point, permanently, from a targetthat can get insane really fast.don't we murder like 1000 creatures a day?
>>35289205I thought Dulist was supposed to have that ability from the 3.5 Duskblade that lets you cast a spell and hit someone with a spell at the same time.
>>35289343Yeah, just grind the first couple dungeon levels over and over.
>>35289388ah, like a knight from disgaea?Well, I guess it would have to be a hybrid of knight and wizard for that
>>35289515Aww, nothing on Whelp?>sad
>>35289551well to be honest, I dont think its a good idea simply because the mount should probably remain a class feature. Im resistant to making it its own creature.I dont hate the idea, I just fear all the bookeping
>>35289332A dragon sounds like a mix of either battle+noble or battle+show.Also, >>(P)A mount gains a bonus point for every level its owner has, regardless of job or classYou're talking about something like a 15->1 drop in efficiency between leveling knight and literally anything else. That feels too extreme.
>>35289591Eh, you wouldn't really need to manage the XP. Just put in the numbers. It gains levels as we gain levels. Compared to everything else, THIS should be fairly simple.
>>35289431>>35289515Magic knights from disgaea were focused on elemental weaknesses. They have access to most magic from all categories, but their focus is on raising/lowering resistances.D2 in particular used their resistance as an additional MULTIPLIER to spells.>>35289551>>35289332I think its good, but if >>35289591 bookeeping is a problem:Instead of classes, the mount is categorized under those categories. It decides the stat growth and any extra mount abilities, but you can't change the mount's class or customize it.If you want a packbeast, you literally need a mule mount or something to that effect.
>>35289605That's sorta the point. I tried to tie it directly to our knight job without making it useless if we don't focus on knight.
>>35289620well let me copy it into a text file and think about it between here and next week
>>35289645Righto! Since I don't expect combat, this session, it shouldn't matter too much.To me, this seems like the smoothest solution, and I can pop into a game-building session to help flesh the Whelp class out.
>>35289645I think the mount should function as a modifier to our stats. Sort of like a piece of equpment, except it has power progression. Like when we're riding out baby mount, we should gain the ability of flight, but stats otherwise are identical.
>>35289689this is what I was going for, originally
>>35289748Then i approve of your idea and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
>>35289689>>35289748I understand where you're coming from, but that really makes the mount super strong. If you're fine with that...I was thinking more along the lines of Base Stat Growth multiplied by all the sum of all mounted classes. No armor/equipment. That way, using a mount makes you more vulnerable.
>>35289831>that really makes the mount super strongOnly if the rider is super strong. And thinking about it, I believe the mount should remain genderless and non-sapient. Otherwise, you get into weird moral quandries with what exactly turning off our knight class actually means.
>Secret jobs – A few jobs can only be accessed after certain requisites are unlocked. The most common is the Monk, which requires you to finish off an enemy with your bare hands. Others require membership in secret organizations or brotherhoods, training in specific starting jobs belonging to different classes, or even more outlandish requirements. A few have never existed before. Due to the difficulty of qualifying for them, secret jobs have stronger stat growth and abilities, compared to other jobs.Note to self, stop by level 1 of a dungeon and kill something with your bare hands to unlock the monk class.
>>35289886i hadnt think about that but we have paladin now so it sort of stays on anywayanyway im starting the pathfinder game now, so I have to go guys.Take care Please get me more pics of that succubi
>>35289886It's biased towards tanky classes, since their mounts are just as tanky as them. There's no need to turn the mount off.Mounted archers and mages on the other hand will need to be careful to minimize the damage they take.
>>35289989>It's biased towards tanky classesWhich makes sense, since it's a class feature of a tanky job.
>>35290033Again, what about mounted archers and mages? Are we just not having them? No mongols, no quickshots, No gandalf returns, stuff like that?
>>35290072Knight, paladin and lord are all melee tanks. Why would their class features have to care about wizards or mounted archers?
>>35290072sure, but they use real beings instead of summons
>>35290110Because this is a modular system? Will the mounts of archers and wizards obey different mount rules?>>35290129so they simply CANNOT summon their own mounts, gotcha.
>>35290150I'm confused as to why you think the mount rules unfairly weaken wizards and archers. Their stats and abilities are literally unchanged. >>35290129I will point out that it's a bit weird that nobles have no base job that raises ranged attack. Archery was very much a noble thing.
>>35290150more than that, I am still think9ng about it. At one point, ALL nomads were able to summon mounts because i thought nomads should obviously have mounts
>>35290206>I will point out that it's a bit weird that nobles have no base job that raises ranged attack. Archery was very much a noble thing.I wanted to make it clear that west and East think different, so the samurai (the nobles from the west) are archery based
>>35290206Well, if neither STR or INT affect the mount, I guess that fine. I had forgotten about PDV and MDV being separate, but in terms of a mount's job, ie. long distance running and run speed would make CON king and maybe DEX/STR a bit higher up.
>>35290374But if it's a summon, shouldnt con be pointless? its a construct. You can say it has -- or infinite ad its limited only by summon duration
>>35290206the noble class has +1 melee and +1 ranged per level.
>>35290411Yeah, I'm just trying to sort it out in my head. If a mount's ability to travel is dependent on your stats, then melee mounts will always run farther and faster than magic mounts. Ranged units will lag behind in long distance travel, and Magic units will ALWAYS lag.On the other hand, if they have a set run speed/endurance, that would be a reason to raise an actual mount. The real thing is just better, but the summons are convenient and standardized.
>>35290537It's ability to travel would be dependent on the passives it grants you. Like a horse would grant 'cavalry' which increases (or simply gives a flat value for) your movement speed. Our dragon probably grants 'Flight' and hopefully will eventually gain a fire breath active.
We should really convince mom to switch classes from villager to noble. And then do a couple dungeon runs. The stat boosts she'd get would be very nice.
>>35290537>On the other hand, if they have a set run speed/endurance, that would be a reason to raise an actual mount. The real thing is just better, but the summons are convenient and standardized.thisRight now mounts are just extensions of yourself for purposes of being hit and such. Why would YOU wander into combat if you werent tough anyway? archers and mages would stay behing, mount or not
>>35290732I just realized I should have made Mako cast her metal spear singing something like"I am the heir of First NightBy the power in my blood, I now summon you to strike down my targetMetal Spear!"you know, shieldbro caster style
>>35290731Even further, I think we need to have an offday dungeon party with us, Lyann, Eli and mom. The main thing keeping dungeon dives to 1 per 3 days is mana regen, and neither we nor lyann will have any problem with that.
>>35290972thats not a bad idea. Im sure you could convince your momRemind me, Lyann's spear has ghost + kobold and marina cards or was ir ghost and marina + kobold?
>>35291069It was debated. One guy felt it should be the second, another guy felt it should be just an additional kobold card for MP drain.