Previous thread:>>34483744Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TAl_Rh3q0UR3cqX6Pbn-4TnB87BS-GrFrax-ErtOL2E/edit1d4chan page: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_HeresyThis is /tg/'s AU Heresy.We are getting shit done right now, currently fluffing up our primarchs and their legions as well as mapping out the major battles during the Heresy. Also some Second Founding stuff, but no-one really cares about that.
>>34493818Ok, I need confirmation that the Stone Men were at Isstvan, and another Legion or two for the second wave traitors.
>>34493884By the way, are there any maps of the orbital combat?
Well I've always based Darius around the idea that his eyes were pure silver that pooled and swirled like a liquid metal but was blind because of this, So he had to really embrace his psychic abilities to make due.
Fourth for Argent Legion be ded.
>>34493871I think the Voidwatcher would be cool with a third eye, or at least perhaps an ornate tattoo of one.
>>34493948I genuinely dont wanna burst bubbles - but that would be like a mutant - and the Emperor would probably quietly expunge you from all records... Same + thricefold for the actual third eye if you werent a navigator.
>>34493964Aaaaand disregard this, I see how that's something between the Voidwatcher and Darius. When came back into the thread, I somehow missed all that.
>>34493511>hard to controlThey never denied the call to arms, always supporting the expedition fleets and the Crusade when needed.>independentWell fuck ya got me there!>Alexandri would probably be bitter at being passed up for WarmasterActually, I think I'll have to state an argument for the opposite. He'd be happy not to be saddled with the responsibility of the post and time consuming duty of running the Crusade 24/7. Also, Alexandri doesn't exactly like leading less-than-totally-loyal troops. Men who openly disagree with him? Fine. People who legitimately hate him and the things he stands for? Less than good. He'd also probably not trust himself not to wipe out several Legions on a whim because of his own blatant hatred for them.So yeah, he'd think nothing of it. What will piss him off immensely though is all the Primarchs who are assholes at the council Looking at you Lumey..>>34493700THE COUNCIL OF NIKAEA ALLEGIANCES INDEXPro-Psyker Party:Alexandri, Primarch of the Silver Cataphracts.Aubrey The Grey, Primarch of the Eternal ZealotsDarius Cyaxares, Primarch of the Sand Keepers.Rook North, Primarch of the Nova DefendersTollund, Primarch of the Mastodontii.Tiran, Primarch of the Scale Bearers.Voidwatcher, Primarch of the Black Augurs.On The Fence Party:Brennus of the Thunder KingsMerrill, Primarch of the Iron RangersInferox the Burned King, Primarch of The Sons of Fire.Kleisthenes, Primarch of the Scions of EuropaKranios, Primarch of the Horns of Ruin.Octullus Tyran, Primarch of The Eyes of the Emperor?Uriel Starikov, Primarch of the Children of Armok.Anti-Psyker Party:Arelex Orannis, Primarch of the War Scribes.Gaspard Lumey, Primarch of The Void Angels.Hektor Cincinnatus, Primarch of the Wolves of Dawn.Nathanog, Primarch of the Gorgers.Sebastian Rex, Primarch of The Bulwark.And in other news, I updated the story I wrote in a sleep haze.http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_Heresy#Roses_Crush_The_Best
Cont. from last thread>>34493507Hektor had been waiting for him at his tent. He let off an exasperated sigh, "I haven't slept in weeks, the battle is over, can I just rest a moment?""Don't worry, consider this a courtesy call. I just wanted to greet your return to your brothers.""My 'brothers' are bickering about trifles. I want to sleep.""Do not be resentful of them, Rogerius. I know how hard this campaign was for you, and many do not or will not, but do not lessen your brothers' sacrifices and hardship. They may have had the comforts of armor, trenchlines, and places to rest, but they fought just as long and hard as you did, if not more so, in some cases."The words were like a slap across the face."Hektor, you are right, as always. Forgive me, I just need to rest.""It's not my forgiveness you need. We all have our moments, and I know how you feel. You don't seek glory, you seek an end."He went to leave, and turned at the flap of the tent, smiling."Just...don't start any fights tomorrow. The last thing I need in a crowded warcamp full of Imperial Army, Remembrancers, and Beurocrats is a fistfight between Primarchs. You could accidentally level half the camp."Merrill sat for a moment, laughing at the thought
>>34493999Wait, oh crud. How mutant am I, then?
>>34493833As a suggestion for development with the Children, maybe their 'false flag' and 'deniable assets' stuff grew out of working alongside the Void Angels? When Gaspard is around to be the terror, Uriel doesn't need to do it in-house.Whether picking the Eternal Zealots as the heretic legion was based on opportunism, the belief that the Void Angels would be too obvious, or just respect for Lumey can be an open question.
Well I explained in my history that it wasn't an actual mutation, but caused from him opening his eyes in pure warp. Besides the emprah allowed Sanguinus with his damn wings in and kept Angron with his butcher nails.Hmmm Voidwatcher, I say we make a compromise. Since you got the pyramid eye as your symbol you can keep the 3rd eye, I really just want the magic infused eyes bit since it was the focus of Darius's design. That way you don't really have to change your cool portrait that much. I've already been stewing most of the day on Darius's new appearance so its fine.
>>34493999Vulkan/Magnus the Red>>34493948>>34493964I can relinquish the third eye business. I just don't know what to put in it's place. Any suggestions? There should be a centerpiece to the whole character. Maybe he has eyes of Ra on over his eyes. Sorry again for stealing your thunder Darius.
>>34494039Superspooky eyes made of liquid metal or swirling colors or whatever are pretty mutated. That's why I suggested a simple 3rd eye. A significant mutation, to be sure, but perhaps one that the Emperor could at least tolerate for a time. Magnus used the Warp to subtract one, maybe you picked one up as your capsule fell through the Warp, who knows. At least that was my thought, anyway.
>>34494118Dunno if having scales on me is more mutant than that.
>>34494118Wait, goddamnit, I got mixed up who I was talking to. Fuck. You guys get what I'm saying though.
Anyway I require sleep. And so I shall plot for 2 more hours so that I finally can.Try to not do the whole physical mutations route - the emperor wouldnt let it fly - besides having magicky eyes/being blind and magic is a bit cliche. Why not just have a piercing/unnerving gaze?sometimes the most powerful descriptors are those that are simple and not overwrought with metephors and visual stimuli..>>34494039what are you like? If you say dragon wings, i legit wont know how to react. >>34494043yeah that makes sense. Although out of second nature we'd probably do it a bit, but we have a suitable asset to do it for us in your legion, so im happy to let that run, and we accrue all the accurate to the minute intel on targets.
>>34494173No dragon wings, just some scales on arms, legs, and back.Also no fire breath.
>>34494118Hell, a certain Primarch had wings. Fucking wings. That worked. I think a third eye would be fine.
>>34494034Yo, I changed my mind on Hektor. He's now On the Fence publicly.
>>34494089Alright. I'll agree to give up my special eyes. I think the real issue is two characters having eye symbololgy/traits at all. Which is a serious issue because both our characters designs revolve around it.
>>34494198Personally, I think so too, so long as it wasn't shooting rainbow beams of Warp energy, or capable of firing lasers or something. Literally just a 3rd human eye.
>>34494173ignore - do what you want with physical appearance. Just dont go fucking overboard with it i guess.
>>34494217>>34494231>>34494246He could just have a permanent thousand-yard stare. Like you never get the feeling he's really looking at you, he's just gazing at some point far behind you
>>34494217Unrelated to the Conversation, but are Captains in the Black Augurs also Librarians or Psykers?
In the meantime, have my attempt at a Termie.
>>34494268That works too. Some sort of unnerving look.
>>34494268I like it. I like it a lot.Also, who will be talking to whom at Ullanor before the mass gathering?
>>34494272Yes. Even if he's looking or speaking directly too you he's not looking at you in any sense. I like it. I like it a lot. >>34494272Two things dude. Yes they all are. It's mandatory for becoming one. And two, Vates forfeit actual names and only take titles. Things like "The Herald" or "The Aethershaper" One word titles that describe them or their abilities.
So, perhaps so we can all understand better our opinions of one another, perhaps we can all take turns talking about a certain Primarch, how their own Primarch and legion thinks of their Primarch and Legion?I think we should start with Arelex Orannis, Primarch of The War Scribes.Alexandri appreciates Arelex, but dislikes his Legion's clear failure to achieve their true potential as demi-gods of the battlefield using technology and intelligence to rule the day. He is quite happy with his brother though, hating him the least. This never stops Alexandri from attempting to offer his Legion's services to aid the War Scribes, even going so far as to offer the assistance of the Strelky during his campaigns.Secretly Alexandri envies Arelex for being able to do what he always wanted, without a bloody revolution that keeps trying to kill him and threatens his family constantly.>>34494212Got ya.
>>34494277Green and gold/yellow, with a splash of blue. Not bad. It's hard to go green + yellow well, but this is pretty solid.
>>34494277Do you have a regular scheme worked up? I just don't want things to get confusing with >>34493507 (pic related)
>>34494217So its agreed, you get cool 3rd eye magical tattoos and I get special spooky eyes. I think having 2 eye themed symbology might not be too bad if we flesh it out enough. We both based our legions around divination and sorcery. Darius is more about fate and the bigger picture, hes good at strategy but can't into tactics since hes blind. Voidwatcher seems more pinpoint and precise and his legion reflects this with their hit and run tactics.
>>34494449As a matter of fact, yes.
>>34494371Sure. Lumey doesn't really have anything against Arelex.And by that, I mean that he's been caustic, sometimes even abusive, in their private discussions, while publicly castigating the War Scribes for meddling with misunderstood technology and toting around precious scientific relics rather than consigning them to study for the benefit of all.
>>34494459Okay, I withdraw my previous statement, I think it's just how this all looks on the BC painter, I just didn't want two Legions with almost identical color schemes. Might get too easy to confuse things.
>>34493818So what legions are unattended? I want to get into this.
>>34494499Yeah, BC Painter can do this sometimes.
>>34494482To add to that, I think the Void Angels and War Scribes haven't had much to do with one another, mainly because the 'Scribes get shot up so bad in the Heresy and aren't often in need of being kicked about. Come to think of it, the Void Angels would be legion-most-likely to help the Scribes against the AdMech.
>>34494371his scars and charred skin are the mark of a working man.I approve of his diligence and hard workwhy he would risk his life for knowledge is a little nutty to onyx.
>>34494371From what I can tell, Merrill likes Orannis. They both have a desire to better use tech and achieve a greater universe with it. As he starts getting corrupted, he may resent him more and more, for not taking it far enough. However, they are opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to strategic thinking, so it would probably wind up being more of a friendly rivalry early on. Gtg for a bit, be back in an hour or so...
>>34494514Otherwise I'm liking the idea of some warp terror loyalists. Spectral Terminators and all that.Believe they are the true terrors of the warp, from a region that kept warp tech, but did things like make gargoyles to frighten away the daemons.Believe in channeling the beast within.
>>34494530Thought we were going around doing things post-Heresy.I mean, since the Void Angels were basically unscathed by the Heresy, I suppose they can do more than one thing. Still, I'd like it if after the Void Angels support at Saturn they go hunting traitorous Thunder Kings alongside the loyal ones.
>>34494371Tiran respects Arelex's intelligence, but doesn't find any major common interests with him. They both fight for the Emperor, but beyond that, Tiran sort of just shrugs.
>>34494566Don't have the word Terminator. Spectral Terminator legion Terminators doesn't really make sense.>>34494451It is done. I like this compromise quite a bit. Thanks.
>>34494566>>34494627Oh fuck. Is that not your name? I thought it was but I reread it and it might not be so now I'm worried I seem like a fucking dingbat.
>>34494589I think the Void Angels are everywhere except Earth after the Heresy. (Depending on how bad the other Legions get hit, the Angels might be - briefly - as big as everyone else put together!) Lumey can only be in one place at a time, but it's probably impractical for him to hang out with Brennus anyway. I should detail a Void Angel Captain to be the go-between during those campaigns.
>>34494627Was thinking of terminators with camo cloaks or psyker witch stealth terror and deep striking.Else I can do marines.
>>34494368Ok.So, The Bloodseer or The Executioner
>>34494674Fair warning, my Not!Space Wolves are already doing Loyalist terror on a grand scale. Admittedly we don't sneak around that much. (It's important for morale that people understand why these atrocities take place.)
>>34494671Sure, just give me a name and I'll pen him in once I get to it.
>>34493884Eyes of the Emperor were there, acting as Traitors
>>34494679Both are very encroaching on other primarchs' themes.Might want to get away from Blood or Downright killing.At the very least Executioner.Or the "Shaper", this one seemed nice/
>>34494647Hahaha. Makes a bit more sense.Nah, I think they'd probably be something more akin to Void Wraiths or something.Perhaps a dark ancient near eastern theme going on, but I'm not sure.---By which I mean the whole Phoenecian thing going on with child sacrifice to Moloch, a bit of Lovecraft reconfiguring of Dagon, and a darker take on Sumerian culture, but with a shamanistic overlay. So star-ship nomads, with near eastern gloss, and shamanistic tendencies.
Good hustle with the replies there. You guys want to switch to talking about the Voidwatcher now?Also, my attempt at a Cataphracts terminator. Since the Terminator is so damn huge and bulky, I imagine the Cataphracts go for full psychological effect with inverted coloring to bright colors.
>>34494708Yeah, we're the legion that you never see. I'll have to drop the use of Void. Terminators seemingly walk silently from the walls, projecting warp terrors into the minds of their victims and vanish as suddenly.
>>34494773Which Primarchs have titles? I dont see any listed on the wiki.
>>34494758Captain Parris Herriot. Wonderful orator (although he does give feel-good speeches, unlike Lumey), maybe considered a bit lazy.
>>34494833Wraith Lords?Wraith Knights?Masters of Wraiths?Wraithkin?
>>34494819Maybe... maybe.Also, I like that termie.
So, trying to decide between two hair styles for Darius. Either long black hair with one side shaved like Skrillex, or a pony tail with both sides of his head shaved like an Undercut. Thoughts?
>>34494782Near eastern? Thats pretty cool. So your going for a sort of empire like the bulworks or are you more of lotd kinda guy
>>34494854>Wraithlords>WraithknightsI BET THE ELDAR DID THIS
>>34494854Yeah, I like a lot of those, but thus far the Eldar have taken ever one. I was thinking Wraith Guard at first >_<Perhaps Phantom?The Phantom Crown.That's kind of a cool name.
>>34494371>>34494482>>34494550>>34494530>>34494563>>34494623Thanks for the comments guys. I'll try to work in some of that into Arelex's bio tomorrow.
>>34494850Octullus title is the all seeing, but i keep forgetting to add it
>>34494773>>34494850On which note . . has anyone given any thought to what their Primarch's "purpose" was, by the Emperor's design?You know, they make allusions throughout the HH series that Russ was intended to be the Emperor's executioner, Magnus was meant to sit the Golden Throne, one was destined to be the Emperor's statesman, one to be his storm trooper, one to lead his armies, and so on. Horus was always destined to be Warmaster.So, in our AU, who was meant to be what? having given it some thought, I think that Brennus' purpose was likely to be some sort of Grand Magistrate or perhaps Judge. It fits his overall personality of passionless efficiency, impartiality, and placidity. Doubtless he would have excelled in the role of administrator, were he ever given a chance to actually perform it, and his experience as Alessia's ruler was likely much more fulfilling than any amount of warfare ever was. It's likely that it was for this reason that he seemed perpetually weary and somewhat solemn, performing his duty well but without any great drive or ambition.It's an interesting note. I think his greatest failing is likely in failing to recognize ambition or great passion in others, and in perhaps being too assured of his particular brand of loyalty and unity. He overlooked his traitorous sons, did not see in them the ambition which would inevitably corrupt them, and so let the cancer fester and spread.(shamelessly repeating myself because I like this question)
>>34494679>>34494773>>34494850He's not a Primarch. He's the captain of the Haruspex company of the Black Augur, who discern the future from blood and gore being spilled and the carnage of battle. Hence the names.
>>34494850Not really titles, but themes.Blood is like what everyone and their mothers want their legions to be about most of the times, so avoid it, too common.Same with Executioner.Both are waaaaaayyyy too common and boring.But hey, if you really want it, go for it
>>34494901You already know what I'm going to say to this one.
>>34494876Phantom KnightsPhantom SentinelsWraith SentinelsAnything but Phanton Crowns that just sounds stupid.
>>34494871ELDAR TRICKERY IS AT FOOT
>>3449486A bit of both oddly enough. The culture Sargon Ereskigal grew up in was star ship based, so he sees a strong navy as critical to the survival of the empire. Sort of like the fists in that regard, but instead of terrestrial fortresses, the emphasis is on manouver warfare with sudden, brutal strikes of massive star-ships and star-forts.
>>34494903Ah,... my bad then.
>>34493907Yep. Right here.
>>34494925Ooh, how about The Erlkonigen?And it would just be Phantom Crown. Singular. Warriors of the Phantom Crown, or something.
>>34494901I... am not sure what purpose Tiran was to serve. The most obvious idea would be his being intended to tame the wild worlds where no hostile xenos roamed but dangerous beasts roamed free. Who knows, maybe he was supposed to make sure people could live comfortably on worlds like Catachan.That'd be too easy, though...
>>34494901The Gorgers are the Vanguard and Ambushers. They hunt the enemy trying to get the first strike and then go deep in melee.And if they win they get better at dealing with that particular enemy.
>>34494850Darius has a bunch of titles. His most common one is "Silver-eyes" since thats his most distinguishing people and what people notice from afar. His second one is "The Prophet-King" though thats mostly by people from his home world and within the legion. Between his brothers and other legions he is usually referred to as "The Sphinx" due to his personality.
>>34494901Brennus and Bohemond seems to step on each other's toes when it comes to be the great dispensers of justice.
>>34494901Perhaps the all seeing eyes were made to look for chaos? They lack/resist some of their brainwashing, and have minor telepathic powers, plus they fit the tactics needed to be good assassins, and their hard coded fear, brotherly openess and paranoia helps report back to other marines for help.
>>34494947Aw sweet. Maybe the intercept happened in orbit around Istvaan II and that's why Tiran never made it to Istvaan V? Which of the Traitors would have ships there, though?
>>34495012In private writings and discussions with his lieutenants, Gaspard refers to Darius as "the only one I can trust".
>>34494765Aren't they listed as loyalists?
>>34494992If you guys actually could breath fire you would be the shock troop. Flying in at the decisive moment through fast attack vehicles and then SCORCHING the enemy.
>>34495052I was suggesting to Merrill (Iron Rangers) that you two could bump into each other on the way to Istvaan and fight a running battle half-way across the galaxy. He thought it had potential, but don't feel constrained.
>>34494901Well, in my head, Arelex was meant to be the one to lead the Imperium's technological advancement, and he was supposed to see to the boring details of Imperial administration at the Emperor's side.Once the galactic conquest was finished, Arelex would have been responsible for making sure that Humanity returned to the power and strength of the past golden eras. He was never meant to be a friend maker or a warrior, he was meant to be the kind of man who would see all of Humanity as his younger brothers and sisters, and be a governor who would work as the Emperor's chief administrator for the good of Humanity. Ideally, the perfect government, one that had no need of worldly rewards or temptations, whose sole happiness would come from a properly functioning Imperium. Not the most exciting life, but someone's got to do it.
>>34495086I think he had it so Hektor threatened to wipe them all out if they didn't fight with the Traitors? Not sure.
>>34494922What are you going to say?Some might be new to the thread or might not have been there when you said it.
>>34495045I think it different forms. Bohemond seems to be an active force of it, more of an enforcer or an Arbitrator. Judge, Jury, and Executioner, all that. I reckon Brennus to be more the sort to sit and listen calmly, hearing out both sides of a dispute evenly before making any approximate judgement. That doesn't seem to me like Bohemond's modus operandi, as he has a more fixed sense of what is right and what is wrong.
>>34495086They were originally coerced into helping the traitors, as they were placed inbetween the traitors, and being a less than brave legion, accepted the Traitors deal
>>34495114It lists them as loyalists all the way through. Fighting on Mars and other places.
>>34495103That could work, that could work.
>>34494901Johannes was probably meant to be a sort of uplifter, the guy who pushes towards advancement and keeps the countless individual sectors within the Imperium relatively close to the average in terms of advancement. Hence being helpful and good at research.
>>34495134How would they ever be redeemed? Those Legions decimated at Isstvan would hate them forever, even if they did swap sides to the Emperor's side.Octallus would be tried by his brother Primarchs for his part in aiding the traitors.
Right how does my new and improved colour scheme look? From left to right it's the Wolves of Dawn, the Heralds of Hektor and the Heliotaroi (Hektor's personal guard).
>>34495110kind - technology - administrationThat's a lot, you might be losing focus here.I think you should drop the kind aspect, Arelex see things in a rational, logical way. Numbers and facts, no mercy because mercy is unfair to those you choose not to pardon.
>>34495183Seems legit to me.
>>34495059*Bro fist bump*
>>34495183I thought the Heliotaroi were all gold with some grey trim, like the Justaerin were all black with red trim. You said they 'shone in the sun' after all.
>>34495169I'd thought you guys would end up being the Medics nd Bio-Magus of the Imperium.
>>34495130So you are The Policeman, he is The Judge.It works!
>>34495232That was my original idea, should I change it back? I didn't do it cause I thought they might look like the Custodes.
>>34494819Talk about me? Why what about? This is like when you hear people talking about you from across the room and all you catch is your name.
>>34495271Maybe that's deliberate. They compete with the Custodes over who does their job better, and after the betrayal are the dark mirror of the Custodes, their opposites.
>>34495198No, not kind, exactly. More like how modern politicians take the public's money and abuse their position. Arelex was supposed to be a politician who felt loyalty to the Imperium above loyalty to himself. This is still the grimdarkness of 40k, it would not have been kind, but hopefully it would have been as fair and workable as possible. Does that clarify things?
>>34495114Thats exactly what happened it went kinda like thisHektor: Oh hey Octullus, hows it going buddy?Octullus : Pretty good i guess.. uh.. why are you aiming your guns at our brothers?Hektor:Uh..Well, about that. Were going traitor, winner takes all, wanna join?Octullus: i dunno..Hektor:Oh thats cool. Mind telling me your neck size? I want a proper noose so that you can watch me kill your sons one by oneOctullus: Uh, sons...move our cannons to the coordinatesHektor:Smart Choice
>>34495175>Eyes of the Emperor reluctantly deploy with the traitors>wait a second, what's up with those guys, they don't look well>hold on, brother, just WHAT is WRONG with them, why do those elite squads look like mutated monsters? what's up with those stinking things in power armor, are they even still alive?>THEY ARE DOING WHAT TO WHO?!!!>NOPE, we're getting out of here>everyone evac, fire on Hector's troops while retreating
>>34495271Eh I like your black primary better. They have enough gold to shine in the sun, plus you can just say they polished their armor really fucking well. Also that color scheme makes it easier to transition into chaos terminators
>>34495298Yeah sounds good actually.
>>34495130>>34495264Ugh it's the opposite, you are the Judge, he is the Policeman...That's a problem because in the writefaggotry he did the guy of the Knights of Justice was specifically playing the role of a Judge not an Enforcer at any moment.
>>34495304That still means you have to account for this >>34495175I'm all for putting them there, but even if later they see how Hektor has been eaten by the Warp and the Chaos Gods and switch sides, they won't be trusted by most of the other loyalists and will suffer as a result.
>>34495291We just did a "What do you think about Darius?" thing, so the proposal is to talk about Voidy now.Lumey actively hates The Voidwatcher and - especially at Nikaea - finds himself drawn to oppose the Black Augurs out of that sentiment alone.
>>34495198(Basically, a High Lord who wasn't a self-centered, corrupt little shit. More of a functional government machine doing the Emperor's will than anything else, so that the Emps could have more freedom to do the high-level things he needed to do instead of worry about what Subsector Bumfuck wanted today.)
>>34495175Most of his brother legions do hate them, but due to saving the Ad mech multiple times and some STC fragments, they pulled some strings and got them declared forgiven. They are sort of the dogs of ad mech.
>>34495329Well, I haven't thought about it very much. It's possible there's some overlap, though, yeah. I'll think on it some more; perhaps just a general administrator fits better, in which case.
>>34495299Yeah, I kinda see. So he ensures the taxes are paid pretty much and would never ever pick "his part" in the treasury.It also works.He would literally have been the Supervisor of the Imperium.
>>34493818So Ladies and Gents, I haven't chimed in a while.I would like some praise/criticism.What do you think of my legion and my primarch?What can be improved.What stories can be told?And which Primarchs would be likely to like/hate him during the great crusade?
>>34495316Well I could have it as a gold main colour with a deep black secondary then during or after the heresy they flip it opposite to be the opposite of the custodes.
>>34494988The Kadoshim Hashm'yam are a civilization of voidsmen, a people of merchants and explorers, all too familiar with the horrors of the warp and xenos.Sargon Ereskigal's capsule was found drifting in the void by Enki-esem-esem of the Mesh-bar-gir-gal Guild.He was raised by the Guild, trained in the ways of void raiding, trading, and in stealth and honor, the two faces of Kadoshim warfare.He showed the usual primarch technological aptitude, repairing ship systems long in disuse.Upon the death of Enki-esem-esem, Ereskigal became Tophet, eventually uniting the Guilds under his banner, becoming the first Lugal-dumu-nin.Insert emperor meeting story here.Perhaps they hear stories of a mighty man, who boards the ship, and Ereskigal goes to investigate and they wrestle, ala Gilgamesh. The Kadoshim accepted the Emperor as the High Tophet and Kahn (Kohen).
>>34495310You don't get away from Chaos that easily.Hector can't be that much of a fool to let them go that easily.
>>34495239That's kind of an AdMech thing for the most part, you don't make a legion of warriors to heal people. If anything, the original purpose would be keeping shit running, countering disease outbreaks and preventing riots during them, fixing environmental damage caused by enemy attacks, preparing new regions for colonization, that sort of thing. Essentially just keeping the Imperium together.
>>34495379You know, if we're going with Lumey having the last legion standing, it might help if he's relatively well-disposed to Octullus. Any suggestions on why? Octullus does seem like one of the less-ambitious Primarchs, which certainly helps.
>>34495183>>34495411I like the colors, but your Elite Guards colors match those of the Black Augurs.
>>34495093NEXT PRIMARCH UP FOR DISCUSSION!Kleisthenes, Primarch of The Scions of Europa!Alexandri sees Kleisthenes as an equal in many ways, but comes slowly to hate his brother from his idealism and lack of hardship. Everything from his friendships to his conquest of his homeworld, went smoothly. Even meeting with the Emperor for the first time went without a complication to speak of! This coupled with the blatant martial pride of his Legion brought at first a wonderful friendship to become bitter and filled with hate.Still, Alexandri wept for his brother when arriving upon Terra, having failed to arrive sooner and perhaps change the outcome. Perhaps things could have been better, perhaps...Also initiate scheme. >>34495291We're just talking about what we think of different Primarchs and their Legions one at a time so we can get a great understanding of what everyone thinks of each other.
>>34495383I think you just to discuss this with the Knights of Justice anon. The problem is that I haven't seen him around in ages...
>>34495345That's basically how its going down. Everyone hates them, but they survive still. Most Istvaan legions will open fire on them if they come within the same sector
>>34495394Pretty much. The Emperor would have been the head cheese, and his face would be on the coins, but when it came to the bureaucracy, it was going to be Arelex's show. He'd be like the Imperial Vizier or Adjutant or something, only *without* the traditional betrayal of the king, because he was programmed not to have such ambitions. Unfortunately, that's also why he was so much more disinterested in the Great Crusade than the other Primarchs. Of course, the Emperor recognized that he couldn't have it both ways, so he just sucked it up and told Arelex to move as fast as he could. Breaking that tool would have cost the Emperor much more in the long term than a few extra planets would gain him in the short term. And after all, there were so many other, more aggressive Primarchs to give glory to. What was the harm?
>>34495458>>34495395Do we agree Kleisthenes is next for discussion.I kinda think we should focus on the Zealots first, there is a lot of things to shape.That plus the Life Bringer is here, perfect opportunity to have them both exchange.
>>34495458Tiran didn't speak much with Kleisthenes, but their interactions were usually pleasant.
>>34495426Perhaps, give me a second to read up on your legion. Maybe we talk the ad mech into giving you some extra shippments off stuff?
>>34495416The whole idea is that the Eyes didn't fall at all. No Chaos worship or anything, just some assistance to their brothers, until they see what became of them and get the fuck out of there.
Right how does this look for the honor guard instead?
>>34495516We're discussing already established fluff, not writing new stuff.
So what does everyone think of me? Only two people commented on it and I feel like my legion might be a hot button for people based on it's Pysker stuff.
>>34495516It could wait.But I'd queue myself for next in discussion.
>>34495536Nah, trading favours is too weak. The Primarch's relationships are all about personal psychology.
>>34495553I know Tiran would find the Voidwatcher to be 3spooky.
>>34495545Well THIS should more than the central point about them.Having participated to the early Massacres of the Heresy and managing to get out of the Traitors side.First, the Second Betrayal would have to been done really early in the Heresy. Else Hector would have just made them taste some Chaos and get them addicted.Second, the Loyalist would not just go "Oh you killed some of ours and went Traitor, but now you regret... it's okay come here"The Eyes would pretty much ahve to go Dark Angels, being obliged to bear the sin for the rest of times.
>>34495551Not sure it's a good idea, to be honest.
A Concept sigil for the Silver Spears
I don't hate these colours, but they need work. Am I treading on anyone else's toes with this general look?
>>34495426Okay how about this: You helped my legion escape from the Traitors, and in return, my legion got some you some fancy toys. Perhaps our Primarchs fought with each other extensively during the crusade, and our primarchs began to bond, plus you vouched for my legion?
>>34495663Why not, exactly? It helps us expand our understanding of each other's Primarchs by elaborating upon opinions only off-handily referenced.
>>34495553Basically, as it's currently written on 1d4chan, you are everything Arelex hates. Warp things, unexplainable things, illogical things all unnerve him to his very core, and he'd stay away from you like a Farseer would back away from a Culexus assassin. Even if you were the nicest dude ever, it would be like oil and water, he *could not* tolerate your presence. >>34495458Arelex would have been very impressed with Kliesthenes' empire building. The way he was such a savant in aspects of civilization and civilized life would have pleased Arelex, and it's likely that Arelex would have tried to offer assistance to the Scions of Europa, perhaps offering them a relic or two as a sign of friendship. Arelex would probably have talked at length with Kleisthenes on the proper ways to run a planet, and debated the finer details of Imperial administration. Odds are they wouldn't have met in person very often, as it sounds like Kleisthenes would have been at the leading edge of the Great Crusade, whereas Arelex lagged behind, hunting treasures of antiquity near the Galactic Core.
>>34495553Merrill has an uneasy relationship with the Voidwatcher. He appreciates his gifts and abilities, but in person, he doesn't seem to get along too well, mostly because of the Voidwatcher's distant nature.Basically, he'd invite him to dinner, but wouldn't exactly offer up a guest room to spend the night.
>>34495631I've been trying to work up to that. Plus it wasn't just that they shoed up to help, they brought STC fragments to their good buddies the admech. I've been trying to flesh them out a little so they are more than the DA "SHHH, WE HAD HERETICS"theme
>>34495716Both your Primarch are based on Roboute, so I can see why you would have affinities.But thus there need to be differences that would make Arelex go "This and this are lacking in your designs and laws Kleis" and Kleis responds "Yes, maybe it's not optimal but happiness/pleasure/epicurism".
>>34495458Johannes wished Kleisthenes to be more cautious, believing the Scions die needlessly one too many times. Pointing that out, he would nonetheless commend the bravery of his legion.>>34495553Johannes would respect the Voidwatcher's ability, but he is distrustful of psychic stuff. Would probably think it's only a matter of time before the Voidwatcher goes mad from his visions and be rather tense in his company.
>>34495411Sargon was united with his Legion, naming them the wraith...The changes to the legion were at first not readily visible. The legion had been long been void oriented, with all the mariner's supsersitions that usually entails. However, Kadoshim atropaic signs soon began to appear. Star ships had eyes painted upon their prows.Bridges soon had the bearded djinn of mythos appearing on their statues. Curled beards became popular amongst the crews. The tale of the mariner also quickly spread, an ancient epic about a man who was blown off course by a warp storm after a long war, and his many adventures on the way home. This tale, with its gods and heros was in many ways central to Kadoshim life, in particular, its approach to the terrors that ply the spaces between the stars.This tradition taught that the habitable spaces were far and few and the dangers great. The truth of reality was darkness. But from the void came many things. From it came the screaming daemons that sometimes intruded on ships, but also from it came the gift of navigation and psykers.The dark was a place of danger, but also of opportunity for a wise and worthy warrior, provided they could master the monster within.The Kadoshim did not believe their ancient stories, but they were important none the less.They said that the gods had tried fashioning man, Dagon, the fish man, had made them in the form of terrible beasts, full of a raging hunger and ferocity.The other gods were horrified, and wished to destroy it, but Dagon said that alone among the gods, he and his brother Yam were from the void and knew the terrors that waited there. Man would have to be a monster if it was to survive amongst monsters.However, the Ba'al Hadam (Who was later to be identiified with the god emperor) said that if they were to be worthy of existence, they must be more than monsters, and so clothed humanity in their sacred and fair form.Thus it was that humanity was made.
>>34495631And yeah, they left fairly soon after Istvaan, when the first bits of chaos started popping up
>>34495701The problem is, Lumey is suspect himself so he can't exactly say, "Nah, they're cool guys!" to cleanse your legion. About the best he can do is take the position after Terra, "Well, I'm not hunting them down and I think anyone doing so has missed the point."
>>34495782Have the Heresy be assumed, but then leading to some animosities with some of the more puritan legions like the Knights of Justice, who would you to atone for your sins regardless of the help.Pretty much, the Eyes would have to be ever watchful, even of their own side WHILE trying to still help the Emperor and putting their sharpshooting to the task by doing more than their share in the War.
>>34495789Certainly there would be differences. It's just that it's quite late where I am, and I haven't the energy to hash out a lot of fine details right now.
I'm thinking of having the sons of fire be the nemesis of my chapter. they would be the one behind the burning of neolithus, and the primary combatants (other than the silver spears) at Istvaanplus the idea of fire vs. stone is a cool dichotomy
>>34495458Kleithsenes is brash and headstrong, without appreciation for the subtltey of the Rangers. Most likely to develop into bickering and possibly fistfights/brawls at various points. It's not to say he dislikes his brother, they just don't get along.
>>34495553The Voidwatcher is counted in the column of 'least hated' by Alexandri. He is a man of exceptional cunning who arose from an aristocratic society akin to Alexandri's own. He views his sorceries as 'a front for humanity which few have the bravery to expand into'. This perhaps places Alexandri as one of Voidwatcher's few geniune allies, who appreciates his arcane background.That is why the betrayal brought in the wake of the heresy only brought Alexandri further into depression.
>>34495820Are you okay if I put all that in the wiki/doc?
>>34495867BTW the stone men drop right in the middle there
>>34495877Are you if I mention this difference in the gdoc?
>>34495867>Eyes are second waveGreat. So basically, they drop down, fire a few volley, then see what the Eternal Zealots and others now look like, then turn their weapons against traitor forces before having to leave due to heavy retaliation from Hector.
>>34495458OK, we are doing Kleisthenes.Lumey saw K as a vain, ambitious man from a vain, ambitious culture. He was quick to point out failings and short-comings of the Scions of Europa during the Crusade, often in the nastiest and most public way possible. However, Lumey also paid glowing tribute to Kleisthenes for his sacrifice at Terra in a beautiful piece of writing, generally known as "Salute to the Fallen".Have to ask Kleisthenes-anon which side of Lumey the Scions take as definitive.
>>34494371Hektor enjoyed discussing various things with Arelex, especially his role as warmaster however he disproved of Arelex's failure to stand with the other legions in terms of compliances.>>34494850Hektor's title on his homeworld was the "Sun King" but that wasn't often used after he became Warmaster.>>34495458During the Heresy, Hektor considered Kleisthenes one of his closest friends amongst his brothers. He would often confide in him and their warriors relished the chance to fight side by side.
>>34495796Animal motifs are always pretty good. Wraith Hawks, Wraith Serpents, Wraith Hounds, that sort of thing.Or, if "wraiths" is too close to all the eldar shit, maybe "Barrow Lords" or "Cold Legion" or "Deepguards"."Merchants and explorers" is something you mentioned. "Coin Callers", "Golden Sons", "Privateros (Privateers), "Silver Fleet" could be along that secondary theme.
>>34495796With these ideas in mind, the Legion began to use the iconography of the warp-terror and the xeno-beast, adorning their ships with trophies of their slain foes, and using their psykers to bathe their ships in warp flame.It was this idea of the predator within that soon became a cult idea within the legion, with various squads seeking to emulate their totems, mythic beasts from the human past, particularly wraiths, but also bears, foxes, rocs, qilins, lammasu, ghouls, etc.
>>34495796Basically, my thought is that one thing that Marines aren't usually seen doing is things involving trade, commerce.Defending the spacelanes from pirates is something they do, but few chapters really have that as a theme. Just my 2 cents on a more unique theme you could draw from, Marines who understand the flow of gold, goods, and trade.
>>34495458Darius saw Kleisthenes as dutiful but overly stubborn. >>34495553I believe we established the two of us had a healthy respect for each other, though I think Darius secretly feared Voidwatcher a little. He recognized the drive and ambition behind his brothers eyes, and saw him as a sort of dark reflection of himself, what Darius might of become in different circumstances. Still, they were respectful to one another though Darius saw little reason to visit him often.
>>34496083Dayum, I like Barrow Lords. Barrow Hounds?Wraith Hounds is also pretty awesome.
>>34496101Are we giving these guys the Argent Legion slot? I'm OK with that, for what it's worth.
>>34496014Actually they should be participating in the Dropsite Massacre.This would be the sin they would have to atone to.Also the Traitors at the Dropsite Massacre were not already corrupted ala "tentacles everywhere"
So, yeah. Off-topic, can't figure out what to do with how my Primarch met the Emperor. Anyone have any ideas that I can use as a diving board?
>>34496144Barrow Hounds sounds like a good Entombed successor
>>34495869I suppose your right. Perhaps we should have some kind of trial for my legion, and result being a large pentient crusade for the legion, that eventually breaks them down to little above a few companies? Although, they are rather heavily injured during the defense of mars if i recall.
>>34496168Entombed geneseed doesn't work well enough for them to have successors. They can't even replace their losses.
>>34495942Sure, that would be great, i am away from the computer right now
So we've got for PrimarchsOctullus the All SeeingDarius Silver-Eyes, The Sphinx, Prohet-King at homeHektor the Sun King
>>34496144If it were up to me, I'd pick Barrow Lords. But I might be a little biased in that regard, lol.
>>34496014Now that I think of it, this scenario could also provide some legitimacy for the Eyes. Like, if the War Scribes record them as being on the loyalist side since that's all they could see, while the Knights of Justice suspect the Eyes might have been involved with traitors as well, but give them some benefit of doubt, as everyone from the Knights who was there and knew for sure is dead and it could have been a case of accidental friendly fire.>>34494371Johannes would support Arelex and his goal of recovering lost technology and giving it to the people. He would even provide Arelex with his own knowledge, sharing what he gathers about alien life forms and records of diseases along with cures for them.
>>34496216Gaspard Lumey doesn't have any nicknames that can be used in polite company. (The Void Angels call him "The Incorruptible".)
>>34496167Could have something like. Hunting in the forest and him and his group come across a Thunderhawk that's landed in a clearing. Custodes standing outside it and you and your group attack. Your group gets decimated by the Custodes but you're able to take down two custoddes before the Emperor appears and you recognise him as your father. You then stop fighting and blah blah blah.
>>34496232Oh, yeah, having the Eyes deemed loyalist due to the War Scribes screwing up the records is great.
>>34496172Being a Traitor would close to "deleting the whole legion"-worthy in the eyes of the Emperor.I'd say on the opposite you avoid Trial, first because the Emperor will never have the time before "dying", and second because your Legion will consider that they have repaid their debt through the heavy losses and the heavier and valorous fighting during the Heresy.Now the problem is that likes of the Knights would just never accept that, and your Legion would have to always be watchful of them.
>>34496188They can, just very slowly. Their recruitment rate is low, but they still do recruit.
>>34496188True. That's a shame. Are the Entombed getting a primarch anytime soon?>>34496152I take it the Argent Legion aren't getting any love then? Are there others that are AWOL?
>>34496232>>34496266Sure, that's plausible, as long as the Eyes provided a decent cover story.
>>34496266That... amuses me. Fund it.
>>34496216> The BloodseerYou are going to make a lot of eyes roll with this one...
Right, I've whipped this up for us all.Just need one more Legion for the Traitor Second Wave, and we'll be done with Isstvan V.
>>34496242Hey, what about this: my Primarch can read minds right? So he sees your guy, and reads his thoughts and decides to talk out your problems, because your the first Primarch to let him read his mind, usually they block him out.
>>34496288They have Golgothos, who's a pretty cool guy. There are some other Legions which may or may not be abandoned, we don't want to leap to conclusions.
>>34496289They already have one, look at the map. The War Scribes are at the opposite end of a very chaotic battlefield, the Entombed are in the middle and covered right under a huge toxic cloud obscuring vision. The only loyalists who the Eyes could reliably shoot and be seen by are Knights of Justice, and they are right next to Eternal Zealot positions.
>>34496340Its the abandoned ones I'm interested in, mostly because it would give me free reign to whip up something wholly from scratch.
>>34496305The Gorgers should be there.
>>34496315Gaspard doesn't have problems, though. His whole "I am a dick to all the other Primarchs" routine is because he (rightly) sees them as ambitious and a real threat to the Imperium. Befriending guys who you might have to kill - and Gaspard has Alexandri assassinated and slays Brennus with his own hands - is a sure way to make your life hard. If Octullus gets that, then he might be the only one of the Primarchs who genuinely admired Lumey.I still think Lumey would be an ass to him, though.
>>34495796>>34496130Ooh, yes!They also do indeed understand trade and economics, often bringing areas into submission through the use of nothing more than a few well placed trade missions.More often than not, the Imperium sees them as heroic starfleets, guarding merchants and aiding in trade negotiations, even using their gene-enhanced and psycho-conditioned minds for economic profit.Behind the scenes, this is more often than not used to set up webs of influence and control through business agents and economic manipulation.For example, the Puntic Empire was famously conquered when the Legion trade manipulation caused stock prices to plummet, precipitating a massive financial collapse. The government was overthrown and Sargon used the resulting chaos to annex the entire region with minimal combat.This mercantile side, however, vanishes when the legion goes to war, with the legion channeling the darker side of humanity.
>>34496304I am certain this whole project will make lots of eyes roll.But if I think of something else I'll use that, for now Bloodseer works, considering that he is a Seer that uses Blood.
>>34496385They're in the second wave, remember? That's just the first wave assault. They're in the main map.
>>34496288The Entombed have had a Primarch Since the first thread. Golgothos. Not sure where he went but his fluff was really good and was here for a while.>>34496304I dunno. I thought it was pretty good given what he does. He's not a Primarch.>>34495553>>34495621>>34495716>>34495793>>34495929>>34496137I think the general consensus is everyone is unnerved by me plus their feeling on psykers except for Alaxandri who likes me.
>>34496304>>34496216Amazingly enough, I am actually going to side with Nathanog on this one. That's a bit BLOODGRIMEDGEDARK, I think. >>34496370Cool deal.
>>34496277Here's the thing about that. Half the Legions are bearing down on Terra, etc. etc. Emperor decides that he needs all the forces to his side that he can get, and Octullus provides a ton of valuable intel, so he issues a temporary pardon, in exchange for placing them in some of the most dangerous defensive positions, where he also wouldn't be able to cause any real harm to other, trusted loyalists, with a Trial to happen if everyone survives. Emperor gets turned into a vegetable, though, and so it kind of falls to the wayside, and eventually forgotten, because they've won the battle, but still need to push the traitors back to the Eye of Terror.
>>34496405Bloodseer might be an issue if he was more prominent, but for (effectively) a Chapter Master it's no worse than GW naming conventions. If it makes sense to you, go for it.
>>34496422Hey, I rather like you, I'm just unnerved in your presence.
>>34496422Gaspard's not unnerved and doesn't mind psykers. (He genuinely likes Darius.) He just thinks that The Voidwatcher is the second-biggest jerk among the Primarchs.Lumey might even be petty enough to call Voidy "The" in conversation.
>>34496277Some animosity between legions is good, but i don't think the knights would be 100 percent certain that they did anything due to a mix of the Eyes long ranged stealthy warfare along with the chaos of the the battle itself. If there was any evidence, they could brush it off as traitors. But that still leaves in universe question for the other legions to guess what exactly happened and why the eyes were there in the first place
>>34496315Hmm our Primarchs are kinda too similar as well. I think me and you better talk things out and work out all these kinks. I kinda had Darius being the saintly priest/teacher type.
>>34496422Yeah, Tiran is kinda spooked. Doesn't hate you or anything, but still unnerved. Doesn't help that Keradops doesn't react well.
>>34496431Seems good. It doesn't prevent the likes of Knight to still hold the grudge later.If they are just pardonned, after heresy the legion will just be "hey we did some bad things before but it's all good now"Which is more than boring.
>>34496216Sargon Eriskigal of the Barrow Lords, Tophet, B'n Ba'al, Lugal, King of Kings.Specializing in void operations, economics and economic warfare, agressive stealth operations.(Later sucessor chapters include Barrow Hounds, Wraith Riders, Coin Callers, Deep Guard.)
>>34496489And that's the point, no? Everyone knows the Eyes weren't sent there by Emps and there are rumors among the Knights that the Eyes might have been firing on their brothers, but none of that is proven since any Knight who saw anything died there and the Eyes deny having shot at anybody but traitors. So the suspicion is there, but nobody can prove anything.
Alright, so I can't take it anymore. My curiosity is getting to me.What do the other Primarchs think of Alexandri and the Silver Cataphracts?
>>34496489Your legion is not just snipers, right?Even the likes of the Alpha Legion still have Tactical Marines.
>>34496398That makes perfect sense for Octullus. Gaspard is ass, but Octullus just nods his head since he understands
>>34496465Not calling "The" is disrespectful where I come from. If he dislikes my world view he'd probably like me even less now that I've decided that he's directly motivated by personal gain. He's like the stereotypical power hungry warlock/sorcerer. The society he was born into was based on politics and related mystic pursuit to attain even higher status. He encourgaes every member of his legion to scheme to acquire more power, at least the higher ranking ones.
>>34496618Hard to tell. You seem kinda like a loose cannon and a bit more self serving based on what I've read in the wiki but I'm not sure.
>>34496618What's your Legion combat doctrine?Also why Cataphracts when you are Russian-themed?
>>34496659Done. We have huge enmity. It's only barely restrained even during the Crusade. (This actually fits mine as Not!Space Wolves to your Not!Thousand Sons.)
>>34496631Ya I think our Primarchs might be way too similar. Our personalities and mind set seem identical. Seems like we're both going for the patient understanding wise monk like figure.
>>34496618Johannes would think Alexandri did well ruling Rosskan, but his troubles are just the result of not being thorough enough with quelling dissent. You gotta purge all the heresy and all that. At least that's what he would openly say, while still a bit unsure of that.
>>34496697Ya might want to rename yourself the Silver Cossacks or something. Cataphracts were more of an Arabian thing right?
>>34496618Peversely, I think Gaspard rather liked Alexandri. Or at least, he respected the guy for being direct and unpretentious. Sure, Alexandri is a huge threat to the Empire and no doubt intends to take the throne, but he's under no illusions.Again, this doesn't stop the usual antics. I do wonder if at least one 'phract Successor has unusually good relations with the Void Angels, though.
>>34493818Went out for a smoke with some friends. What did I miss?
>>34496766Cossacks are fast attack cavalry though, not siege troops.
>>34496766Cataphracts are a Byzantine thing and Tsarist Russia viewed itself as a successor to Constantinople. The name is good, just not blunt.
>>34496621No, but they are very ranged focus, due to their hyper sensative Occulobes that focuses on distant sights and , faulty catalespean nodes that make them sleep much less, and due to their resistance to brain washing, the anti fear programming doesn't take root too well. They rely on ranged combat and mechanized warfare, but have a few select assault squads to allow units to redeploy.
>>34495516Hey guys, I think we need to start on the Zealots.I have to sleep in 30 minutes.
>>34496697It was part of their initial description. Not!Russians.They're siegers who believe in achieving victory by any means necessary. They won't bomb a place for holding out, they aren't malicious, but they absolutely do not give a shit about how much collateral damage they cause.>>34496766I was actually considering that the Emperor named them the Cataphracts, like he originally named so many Legions only for them to have their names changed. Alexandri just literally gives so little of a fuck he never bothered to change it something more appropriate. That is just my theory though.
>>34496783Cataphrants aint exactly siege troops either, they're heavy cavalry.
>>34496618Alexandri is probably one of the few Primarchs Tiran would make small talk with. Maybe have slight concerns about the ambition, but he'd find him agreeable enough.
>>34496766You meant >>34496618Also I could see "The Silver Axes"His Primarch pretty much led a Peasant revolt on an icy world.I could see Axes being their preferred weapons during the revolution.
>>34496618Merrill would think you a bit egomaniacal. You seem to try and take power for yourself, and power really isn't his thing, so he probably wouldn't understand why you do just about anything the way you do it. Probably another one we wouldn't get along with.
>>34496817Ah Siegers, interesting...Well you need to change your name to something siege related.The "Silver" in it is great,What about the "Silver Rams", from the battering rams used in medieval sieges.
>>34496817Actually, yeah, I probably really wouldn't get along. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Merrill is super-nice-huggy-guy, but collateral usually hurts a cause more than helping it, in his opinion.
>>34496618The Eyes respect the intelligent and logical silver cataphracts, although they feel as if their dark attitudes and fatalism kind of hurt them in the long run
>>34496813I'm running out of ways to say that Gaspard is a dick to the other Primarchs, but take it for granted that you're no exception. The Xeno ally thing would have been the subject of many venomous broadsides
>>34496890Stealing Kranios' thunder there.
>>34496925Meh, The Ram thing was kind of dropped at this point. I'd really rename my Legion anything as long as it got across the gritty destruction and siege vibe.
>>34496813Hey, what, exactly are you looking for help on?
>>34496924He can say what he wants.He'd point out the Irony that a Xeno is more kind than his own brother, then call into question if he really IS human.
Has any work been done so far for Gaspard Lumey, Primarch of The Void Angels?Their entry seems pretty sparse, but I get the feeling that's been resolved in this very thread.
>>34496618The Voidwatcher would s you as self-serving, egomanical, and dangerous. He would respect you immensely obviously. Probably wouldn't trust you much but he would like talking to you about matters trying to gain power and having power.
>>34496947Just keep it the same, the name's fucking cool as shit.
>>34496813Darius would see you as well meaning but naive and a little misguided.
>>34496956Developing relationships between primarchs and legions.Also, seeing if anything needs touching up.
>>34496846>>34496890Nathanog, I didn't pick the name and I'd rather go with an anon's original idea than switch it about. This was the name given to me, this is the name I'm keeping with. Scions aren't exactly really Scions, the Eyes aren't literal Eyes.>>34496902>>34496901They don't believe in attacking for the hell of it. They attack population centers when those centers are resisting them, and are currently funding the enemy war machine. Better us, than them. But this attitude extends deeper, where Imperial Army forces are even sacrificed to save Astartes. Hell, maybe even other Legionnaries if it would save other Cataphracts...
>>34496925Hummm, that's true, forgot about that...Aren't they named Horns of Ruin now?>>34496947You are siege-based too...You might have a problem Alexandrii >>34496817
>>34496813Already established in our case. Fellow apothecaries, share interests but not methods. Respect each other and enjoy arguing, but slowly grow apart as Johannes loses his grip on sanity and Aubrey is shocked by the betrayal of his xeno allies.
>>34496968There's quite a lot of Lumey stuff that has been discussed in this and the last thread, it's just a matter of bringing it all together. The Void Angels came in late as a re-write of the jolly space pirate legion (I kid you not - "Void Privateers"), so they're a bit behind.
>>34496962Haha, awesome. We need some people slinging mud back at the Void Angels.
>>34496994You are taking it the wrong way.Cataphracts are an arabian/persian thing, you can't get more not-Russian.I'm sure you are thankful toward the person who gave you the legion BUT if you wanted to really be THAT thankful you should have kept EVERYTHING instead of changing it.And of course you changed mostly about everything about the legion.You can't do that and now go "oh by I don't want to change that original thing". It's absurd.
>>34496813Tiran wouldn't like the whole Xenos allies thing, especially given how much of the Legion was lost to Xenos. He'd probably be aware of the irony in that, too, considering that Sors might as well just be nonsapient xenos.
>>34497014Did you happen to read that mini writefaggotry I produced in an earlier thread.That reflection of their conversations on medicine before and after the heresy.I always thought of Aubrey as a surgical doctor, while Johannes was medical practice.
>>34497026Nice. I'm a journalist, so I went a little ape-shit when I saw "Primarch Journalist".Who does need some serious work? It's been a while since I've contributed to something on /tg/.
Alright guys I'm going to bed now, seeing as its 4am. I should have my Primarch biography down by tomorrow then I'll start on my Legion's biography.
>>34496999I think I said my problem with the silver cataprachts was that they tried to put to much complexity or finesse in a job that involved no more complexity then cracking open a nut. You don't need to get a chisel involved in a job that works just as well with a sledgehammer.Let's say Kranios adored the crusade and blazed through the planets he was assigned, leaving them husks of what they were.
>>34497076Aubrey would probably tip-toe around him, but would not apologise for his allies."Every Xenos being is unique, I am sure if I was brought up with those Xenos, I would be just as hateful and spiteful as they were."
>>34497073What fluff was there before I came around?
>>34496813Would think you were naive for trusting xenos the way you did. You should have used them properly and kept them beat down and subjugated. He would also not like your zealotry at all. He likes skepticism and really dislikes religious people.
>>34496994No, I get that, I'm just saying that he would see it as laying the seeds for rebellion or more, harder to cut out resistance, as opposed to simply sneaking in and killing a few key resistance members in their sleep, and mopping up the remainder in the confusion that followed. My guy's a total asymmetrical thinker, I'm just following that line of thought.>>34496993Don't know a whole bunch about your chapter, but from what I can tell, he likes what your goals are, initially, but the whole self-righteous bit really grinds his gears. He'd probably try fairly hard to get along with you, but would also give you a fair amount of shit so he could knock your ego down a peg.
>>34497095Glad you like it. He's not the most objective journalist (shades of Marat), but I thought it was an interesting change of scene.There is a lot of space for Successors. While that's controversial, my advice is to go with Second Foundings based on the events of the Heresy, so you can address subthemes in the Legions.
>>34497104Interesting.So you are the destruction aspect of sieges, while he is the craftsmanship and skills of sieges.Interesting.>>34497114The name to start.Should have been the first thing changed if you think about it.Will you think about it?
>>34497080Yeah, it fits both of them perfectly. Johannes is the kind of guy who would secretly love to be proven wrong by Aubrey, but at the same time he sees his inability to cure the Red Death as a failure of such methodology, a failure Aubrey risks to repeat, hence arguing for a "better safe than sorry" policy.
>>34497114The objection to the name is spurious - and incorrect. Cataphracts featured in the Greek and Roman armies, and were emulated in early Russia. I know you didn't come up with it, but the anon that did knew his stuff.
>>34495716>Arelex would have been very impressed with Kliesthenes' empire building. The way he was such a savant in aspects of civilization and civilized life would have pleased Arelex, and it's likely that Arelex would have tried to offer assistance to the Scions of Europa, perhaps offering them a relic or two as a sign of friendship. >Arelex would probably have talked at length with Kleisthenes on the proper ways to run a planet, and debated the finer details of Imperial administration. >Odds are they wouldn't have met in person very often, as it sounds like Kleisthenes would have been at the leading edge of the Great Crusade, whereas Arelex lagged behind, hunting treasures of antiquity near the Galactic Core.Thank you, Primarch Aralex! You are indeed a fine statesman and a scholar, and I do believe that we would get to spend some time during the Crusade discussing our common love for empire-building and history together. Had I lived to see your penning of the Codex Astartes and your creation of the Administratum, I would have been even more honored than I already was to call you my brother.>>34496137>>34495526>>34495793>>34496040Thank you all for your kind and insightful words, brothers.>>34495926Understandable.>>34496029>>34495458Your assessment of me is what is it is, and I accept it, and I also thank you for your remembrance of me after my demise at Hektor's hand.I will write what Klesthenes thought of the Primarchs at a later time, as I must now retire to bed. I'll be away for the next day and a half due to driving to/moving back into my university, so I look forward to seeing what more of the /tg/ Heresy you all have written by then.Thank you all, and once again, I'm honored to be a part of this with you guys/TG/ GETS SHIT DONE
>>34497145He would respond that he dislikes the thought of forcing them into servitude, everything he got in life was through trust and building his name.When he found out about the Emperor it was not had to preach his name and attempt to get the Xenos populous to follow that religion, which is ironic; In Aubreys days as a medic and following up to his life as a general, he did not believe the Xenos gods, despite his up-bringing."Present to me your gods and I shall believe in them, until I have divine proof, I shall continue to consign the souls of the men I kill and those I fail to mend to the endless void."Of course the Emperor showed up and he was awe struck.
>>34497168Awesome. I'll lurk for a bit while I read the wiki page.Any legion in particular that could use a successor? I was hoping to work on a Legion, but I've got a pretty free weekend before school starts.
I know we are focusing on the Primarchs right now, but I'd like to share some of what I have.The Bloodseer, Vate of the Haruspex, Lord of the Strix.One of the original members of the Black Augurs, having been with them since their creation on Terra. He has because of this witnessed first hand the Legions change from the Brotherhood it had been, the squabbling power mad force it has become. His personal prowess in the ways of war, combined with his knack for leadership and own desires of power helped earn him his lofty position as Master of the Haruspex.Once he could have been considered a handsome man, but an enemy Sniper changed that during his time as a Sergeant, were it not for his helmet he would be dead. The right side of his face is now scared and his eye replaced with an cybernetic replacement.He wears Mk IV power armor, inscribed with runes, the Breastplate features a Strix. At the time of the Dropsite Massacre he wields a Force Glaive and wrist mounted Combi-Bolter and has a MkIV Jump pack. After the Massacre, the Glaive is replaced with a Daemon Sword.
>>34497209Of course, Aubrey hung up his "scalpel" persay before that happened.Becoming the general, no longer the medic.
>>34497175See: >>34497215It seems we've both been arguing a moot point. It never actually mattered because it is actually related to ancient Russia.>>34497266The Cataphracts would be honored to have a Successor. Also, you don't have to limit yourself to a single Legion, you could make multiple Successors.
>>34497266Scions of Europa are a good option. If you want a "chase" Successor Chapter you can write the only (possibly ill-fated?) Void Angels Successors.
>>34497266I do believe Ardent Legion gave up his character/legion to be developed by the group, so if no one else called it yet, have at it!
>>34497286Dope. Put it in the wiki. You can add a sub-section to the Black Augurs for "Prominent Vates" or something.
>>34497291Also, let me just say that I think you, personally have one of the most flushed out ideas, you seem to know exactly where you're going with shit, and I do enjoy your writing. I wasn't pointing anything as a personal slant against you or how you did stuff, just relating things IC.
>>34497257Now heres a question: What would the traitor primarchs think of Octullus and the Eyes? Also out of all the Traitors, which three would want revenge the most?
>>34497339I think the Barrow Lords guy took that spot.
>>34497398It's cool brah.
>>34497286Oooh, perhaps he could hold a grudge against my legion for them scaring his face
>>34497339>>34497423Damn, with a name like that I could have gone crazy, haha.>>34497325I like the idea of a VA successor. I'll play around with Europans for now, but what's with the VA Successor?
>>34497402Meh. You left the side. At that point, I think I'd be so engrossed in my "research" that I don't care much about the Heresy's successes or failures, just so long as I could continue making all my tech better. It does seed the possibility for a post-Heresy rivalry, though, as our forces would probably cross paths looking for the same thing on multiple occasions.
>>34497402Well since you flip flopped, and your moniker, is "The all seeing", quite a few traitor's probably get off on the idea of gouging your eyes out.
>>34497286Sick shit. I love it. Also interesting because the Voidwatcher uses an ancient and arcane glaive (secretly a Necron Warscythe he pulled out of some kind of sentient vault). But yeah throw it up. It's awesome.
So while we still wait for others to compile their Primarch's bio's, what can we write and do in the meantime?
>>34497215>>34497305Not so fast.You still have to explain what can of possible link could Cataphracts have when it comes to sieges??Your Legion is sieges-based, that's kind of a big deal.
>>34497402Aubrey was too wrapped up in his vengeance against Behemond, upon finding out of the betrayal he merely dismissed the eyes."If I wanted to, I'd have my men tear them to pieces and offer them to the gods."He then went on to Saturn, other than that he hunts for the Knights of Justice, where ever they may be.It isn't enough to kill their primarch.They all must face Justice, for Lazarus.
>>34496402Hektor personally invited Sargon to join the traitor cause, hoping that Sargon's dislike of the anti-psyker edicts and censure of economic control and warfare from many of his brothers would drive Sargon to his camp.Sargon was uninterested, as he believed in the Emperor's vision, if not all of his methods and disdained the chaos gods.Sargon attempted to lie to Hektor, but The Void Watcher detected this.Somehow Sargon gets away, I think, to rally his fleet, but he's too late to stop Istvaan. Perhaps this is all part of The Void Watcher's plan?
>>34497549Fuck man what do EMPIRICAL KNUCKLES HAVE TO DO WITH SIEGING!The Imperial Fists were siege experts in defense and what the hell did their names have to do with any of it!
>>34497402Gorgers would give no fucks. More peeps to hunt!
>>34497497I would, but it happened before his ascendance to Captaincy. We could work out another reason he could hold a grudge against them.Maybe having to do with something later in the Heresy.>>34497546Glad you like it, I went with the Glaive purposefully, as an homage to his Primarch. It was unfortunately lost in a duel on Isstvan V.
>>34497502Mostly, Lumey wanted to keep his Legion together as a check on the ambitions of others. But then he had to keep the Void Angels from being too ambitious themselves, so he's set himself up as this slumbering monster that occasionally awakes to devour his children. (Not literally, though that tale probably gets told.)So my best idea for a Successor Chapter is one led by the favourite, the guy who everyone expected to lead the Void Angels after the Primarch. If Lumey's already decided that being Master of the Legion is a death sentence, then he might turf out his favourite in a "I can't stand slaying those dear to me" moment.Where you'd go from there? Free reign.
>>34497569We're not even sure the outcome of the Nikaea Council though.
>>34497549Cataprachts?Nothing, they're cavalry. Highborn, and insanely well armed and armored, but still cavalry. How about the Silver Catapults, or Silver Trebuchets. Silver Cannons?
>>34497402Neutral during the Great Crusade, the Eyes preference for ranged warfare is efficient and does the job. Post-heresy, Life Bringers know you are traitors from the other legions and think you are cowards, your mortal fears preventing you from accepting the greatness of Nurgle's paradise.
>>34497528If im not mistaken, i thought you needed some one to stop you from reaching mars? Perhaps you do reach mars, but we fight, and you retreat?
>>34497246Not so fast there too.The views of Kleits and Arelex as added in the Trivia part of the gdoc:Arelex go "This and this are lacking in your designs and laws Kleis" and Kleis responds "Yes, maybe it's not optimal but happiness/pleasure/epicurism".
>>34497581You're right that the objection is off the mark. But it's also wrong. "Kataphraktos" just means armoured (although it implies heavy armour). You're the guys in silver armour. You probably have a lot of heavy armour, because that's good in sieges.
>>34497549>>34497598Alright, fellas, let's chill out a moment. Nathanog, you don't like the name, got it. You also didn't like a lot of other things. But so far, most people seem to be able to cope with the name.Alexandri, we know he's brash and aggressive, just let it go.
>>34497581Well I always did like your name, but I mean come on? Imperial Fist. Punch wall. Wall go down. Imperium stronk. Silver Cataphracts sounds like a heavily armed White Scars successor. Silver Cataclysms?
>>34497581You are making it personal.You shouldn't.It's not because GW do something stupid that we have to do something stupid too.If anything the name of your Legion indictes that they should be equivalent of the White Scars.And then we will have to tell people "No no they are actually siege specialists.."You will ahve the rest of /tg/ mock us all.Again, it's not about you, it's about making sure we get shit done.
>>34497612Oh. Well. In that case, unless they were close, perhaps Hektor didn't approach Sargon.>>34497246>>34497502Sargon does seem to be the sort to get along with Arelex and Kliesthenes.Tangentially, I'm thinking that Sargon is a controversial figure in the Mechanicum. He's smart enough to pay lip service to the Omnissiah, but the Mechanicum knows he's not a devotee of the cult. Still, he's got all kinds of nice toys and a good navy with archeotech.I think the Magi that like him are best buddies, but those that don't utterly loath him.
>>34497598Where was he during the heresy? We could have a clash on Mars
>>34497650I do believe you are correct, sir. I'm thinking some guys get to Mars (I do work in masses of small teams), enough to cause some havoc, and find myself being unable to deal with direct fleet warfare, forcing myself, and my Legion, back from the Solar System? I'd still cause some pretty severe damage, but am losing significantly to superior tactics in a direct setting.
>>34497612What's the counter on that so far? Johannes is anti-psyker by the way. The Life Bringers are no strangers to using volatile and dangerous substances, but they are kept well contained under tight security. The Warp defies all reason and is impossible to control, so no amount of safety measures will be enough.
>>34497832As far as I understand Nikaea, we have a head-count on how the Primarchs enter the debate but not much consideration of what they DO there.
>>34497638That sounds like a intresting point. Perhaps Hektor promised the Eyes to Nurgle, but due to them escaping, nurgle has tasked the life bringers to bring them into the fold of nurgle since he can feel their fear?
>>34497757If the Black Augurs go to Mars during the Heresy that most certainly could have happened. He leads the Haruspex as a Tip of the Spear formation in lots of operation and thowing in Melee and Short Range firefight experts against guys who favor long range would be good.They function similar to the Reaver Squads in the FW Heresy Rule Books. Lots of CC and Shooting, the Captain emphasizes it. As well as Jump Packs for rapid relocation.
>>34497832I think I'll switch my guy to pro-psyker. Not that he loves them as people or anything, I just can't see him passing up on using a human thunderstorm or fireball. I see a lot of his psykers heads exploding from power overuse in his legion though.
>>34497402Been trying to get your attention. I think our primarchs are too similar and we need to make some compromises like what me and Voidwatcher did. To me it seems liek we're both going for the patient saintly brother who relies more on psychic abilities. My guy is blind while your guy grew up on a planet with poor visibility.
>>34497821Sounds perfect to me. A fight between the loyalist dogs of the Ad mech and those that want usuro the omnissiah.
>>34497879I think you're acually moon hopping in the Saturn campaign.
>>34497757If you're Omnissiah oriented, you may have found Sargon an oddly placed ally.Sargon has friends on Mars who would have called him for help, but his friends on mars are likely to be rivals of your friends.This in addition to any suspicion of Octullus from Istvaan.How do you think they got on before that?
>>34497612I am sure each Primarch would have a matter to speak up..."It is a simple fact my fellow Primarchs, many opinions have been shared here on the application of war!""Such is our way, the way of the Imperium, the way of the astartes and the way of the Primarch, however I stand before you to offer a more fresh opinion, take the application of a warriors sword aside!"Aubrey offered out one hand, as if it were presenting some imaginary, invisible object, the sword he was referring to."Another blade in the belt is useful to be sure, but is it not true that a knife can be many things, a tool of assassins, a last ditch effort to save yourself for another day, a mirror to spy around the corner within enemy territory and watch your back!"He closed his fist then offered out his left, the opposite hand in a similar fashion as before."That same knife however, can be a tool of healing, a scalpel to allow someone to operate upon the ill, the injured, yes my brothers, I believe that this sorcery can be used for more than war, or divination, It can be used to heal, more than modern medicine can!"There was somewhat of an murmur that passed around the hall, some in uproar.It was then Aubrey spoke in a more commanding tone than he did before."I fully intend to prove this theory! however I can not do this without the proper blessings from our father, without the blessings from all my brother primarchs..."He looked out to the hall, his vision sweeping across his brothers, with an expression rarely seen on the Zealots face, contempt."I understand I am somewhat of a scandal amongst you, I have heard of you whispering to each other...your disapproval of my...methods and company I may well keep, but that should provide bias nor disapproval of my hopes for innovation of the medical services that can be provided to our men at arms, if only another scalpel in our belt!"Aubrey took his seat among his brothers, as the hall rose once again, in uproar.
Okay, I just noticed, why is the Primarch of the Stone Men, 20 feet tall? Even for a Primarch that's ridiculous.
>>34497821Perhaps the Barrow Lord's fleet is the cavalry that turns the tides on Mars?
>>34497901To complement that, they also have a mini-theme of Betrayal, Redemption, and Distrust.
>>34497879>>34497906I think the only problem with putting dudes who just switched sides on one of your most valuable locations isn't really that viable. You would probably be defending the system somewhere, but not on Mars itself. Also, my legion is also assault/close combat oriented, and our shared opinions of technology add a little bit of symbolism to the mix, as you stated. Seems like a good plan, so far.
Alright, I'm going to reply to everyone but I've decided to consider different names. Just tell me what you think from this list.The Silver Bannermen(Those who declare for a Rosskan noble.)The Silver Glaives.The Silver Boyars.The Silver Berdyshs. >>34497660Well, Cataphracts is just easier to type out and easier to pronounce. It fits in the mind easier. That is just compared to "Kataphraktos" though.>>34497662NO!I DUN WANNA!>>34497734Nathanog, you are the only guy to ever bring this up.I'm getting a bit steamed, yes, but that is unrelated to this. Outside complications.I'm sorry if it seems my temper is short, but I like the name, and I don't think it is nearly as serious as you are saying.>>34497832See: >>34494034
>>34497936Your legion would make a fine Loyalist with those ideals. A shame really. You could be the healer of the Imperium..Oh well.
>>34497950The stone men disappear into deep space at the beginning of the heresy and become this AU's equivalent of the Legion of the Damned. Or at least that's what I think was established.
>>34498043Is that not the tragic thing?A man of great ideals, betrayed and driven to the hands of those who would abuse that naivety.
>>34497863Promising a legion to a specific god is iffy, unless it's a clear cut case like Life Bringers or Gorgers it's a good recipe to get in trouble, even by Chaos standards. Doubt Hector would do that, plus simply approaching legions and telling them about the gods that might interest them and nudging the primarch in that direction is a better method of getting them to switch. This would be especially the case with the Eyes, who don't even want to be heretics and just end up tricked or pressured into it.Either way though, post-heresy Life Bringers don't really give a fuck, everyone that isn't on Chaos side is just another unenlightened fool that doesn't understand yet. All they want is roam around turning planets into "paradises" and settling them with cultists similar to their job during the Crusade, and that's what they do. Even the rivalry with the Entombed is not a fierce hatred like what the Entombed feel for them, but more like "ohh, shit, it's them again."
>>34498038I guess you speak a russian-based language?Believe it or not but Cataphracts is a pain both to say and to write.Also no need to excuse yourself for your temper, I don't mind people yelling at me as long as they listen, or give me good counterpoints.
>>34498038Cataphracts is the english for Kataphraktos. I'm not proposing a change, especially as the reasons for changing were:1. Not Russian enough. (When it's a name with a Russian connection.)2. Not siege-oriented. (When the name means armoured.)and3. /tg/ won't like it. (My experience of /tg/ is that there's a solid military history crew and other anons listen to what they say, so the odd ill-informed objection will be quickly shushed.)Don't change. It's a good name.
>>34498105Oh, Aubrey's opinion on the use of psykers in medicine vs Johannes opinions on psykers would be delicious to see.
>>34498090I'm sure Nurgle will have fun with your "healing" skills.
>>34497901Well, to be honest, Octullus isn't saintly, hes more of a "if i don't agree, he might rip my head off" kind of guy. Hes patient, but that's because hes afraid that if he isn't, they'll get mad at him. And he only has the mind reading thing, and sees the warp as something that can easily back fire. You are motivated by fate. We are motivated by fear. We are different, but we reach the same conclusion. Perhaps we can be parellels?
>>34497936Aubrey speaks truly.How would the Ba'al's empire survive without the navigators? How can we survive but by trade? And how can we trade, but by sorcery?
>>34498090Hah! Nurgle has the Life Bringers for that.No, we're surgeons.We cut out the cancer.We hack apart the Imperium.
>>34497963Yeah, sure. We had it written a while ago that my Legion had a hand in creating the virus that fucked up Mars. I was thinking, based on earlier discussions, that maybe a few teams, about a company or less, got to Mars, uploaded the virus, and went to town stealing everything that wasn't bolted down and meltabombing everything that was. They'd need some reason to just up and leave, so the cavalry coming would be an excellent reason to do just that. They're not suited for open warfare.
>>34498038I'm still things Silver Cataclysms isn't that bad.I mean, you shouldn't even be trying to get culture in your Legions name. I mean "Space Wolves" are vikings but that doesn't mean they had to be named the "Lief Eriksons Wolves" or something.
>>34498129You know what role Cataphracts had on the battlefield or are you that dense?It's a terrible name for a siege based legion. No way of turning that one up can change that.I could propose some better names but I will give others anons the chance of contributing, as long as it is siege based, we good.
>>34498129>>34498193Alright, thanks. I'm just having a lack of sleep and a long day, and Nathanog is nothing if not persistent.
>>34498155Ah okay, thanks for the clarification. Ya we seem different enough. Darius would probably pity Octullus a bit and try to encourage him to express himself instead of bending to others, however since Darius likes to be cryptic, I'm unsure if Octullus would get the message, and I have a feeling he would be too passive to outright ask Darius what he means.
>>34498235Nathanog is a bit of an ass, yes.
>>34498235Just ignore him and he'll go away.
>>34498181> The rotten corpse of the Emperor is the cancerInteresting take...
>>34498247>>34498251I really wouldn't say that. He's doing what he thinks is best.
>>34498247>>34498235I do it all because I love you guys.
>>34498275You're a more loving and understanding man than I.
>>34498176>>34497936Brothers, brothers, you speak the truth, but, should we not temper this tool?Yes, much can be accomplished with these gifts, but if we cannot properly control them, then they are a danger to those who utilize them and those nearest.I do not say we should abandon them entirely, but how should we ensure that these gifts can be utilized safely, and securely?OOC: I love the irony, here.
>>34498261And remember *cough*, you gotta *gasp* purge ALL the cancer *cough**cough*, or else it spreads.
>>34497933Fairly well i would presume. The Emperor's Eyes helped reclaimed and protect many different forge worlds, along with scoring them numberable STC fragments. Post heresy? That depends on what your legion thinks of us>>34498023They kind of put themselves on mars, and due to the ad mech liking them so much, they let them help
>>34498275If the result is that people walk away from the fighting, it can't be best. Nathanog is the reason why we don't see much of Rook North around.
>>34498303Too imprecise.You need to get the sword in there, manipulate through the important veins to get to that problem Johannes!
Also, I refer to myself to this post: >>34497548I have a fire to write in my belly and I want to be directed at something.
>>34498296How can we learn this without the permission to research this?!
>>34498326> implying that's a loss.Just show the guy did not want it enough or just know his legion can't work.I gave him LOTS of way to make his legion work, he just kept ignoring them, again and again.Hell I suggested him the whole Plasma theme that he copiously stole.
>>34498326>OOCRook North sounded so cool, though.
>>34498372If you've made your primarch and legion's fluff, flesh out the major players in the legions power structure. First captains, and stuff like that.
>>34498337*wheeze* A quick and efficient solu *gulp* tion is best for the patient. *cough**cough* Lesser risk of resurgence, faster recovery. *deep breath* Don't leave a job half done.
>>34498424Way too early for that.Once we have all primarchs fleshed out, we need to compile relationships, and then stance on major events.
>>34498423I know. We made some progress in the last couple of threads by actually discussing things with the guy, rather than Nathanog's "YOU WRONG CHANGE NOW IDIOT" routine. Most of the issue with the Nova Defenders is that the guy wasn't sure how to express his ideas.
>>34498374I did not say we should not continue, but that we should do so, with caution as our utmost priority!Do not mistake me, for these are, indeed, gifts. Yet we are but naive children, being gifted with a loaded Bolt Pistol. We must proceed with care, lest we create a situation where we cannot recover.
>>34498423I'm here, just busy.
I have to say, I am not really a fan of how the Nova Defenders sound right now. There is a lot there that I don't agree with, from multiple stand points.
>>34498484Why do you think he was so eager to talk?Because I made him realize he needed to do so.
>>34498475Quick and hasty!We must take the time, leave the healthy parts, cut out the bad.They shall heal stronger, rather than suffer being weak...not worth recovering!
>>34498513Lumey has been listening quietly, but now stands to ask a question of Merrill. "Brother, you say we are children who have been gifted a loaded weapon. Surely our Lord and Father would not make such a foolish present, so I am curious about the source."
>>34498519>>34498518tl;dr on what they look like now?
>>34498484Also I always give reasons why I think something has problems, I don't just yell at the person that he is right.The only one who is being one-sided right now is you.
>>34498423>>34498484>>34498518I did like RookHOLYSHITYOU'REBACK!>>34498519And, yeah, they were flawed, but all our chapters are. That's part of why we're discussing this as a group, as opposed to just writing this on our own lonesomes.Hell, I've opened the call on numerous occasions for input and criticisms on my ideas.
>>34498518Glad to hear it.>>34498519They still need work for sure. What's particularly bothering you?
>>34498317Mmm, reason I ask is because sargon is a merchant first, a general second, and far more radical than most of the more members of the Synod on Mars would like.Means Sargon might be Octullus' dear brother, the heretic.Iron Hands would find Sargon and the Barrow Lords too liberal for their tastes.Still, I like the idea of Sargon and Octullus going way back and Octullus sending out a plea to Sargon, hoping Sargon will trust him.Mars finds out that Sargon is on his way to "save the day", and the radicals celebrate while the conservatives sigh and resign themselves to being in the debt of 'that vile banker',
>>34498585Mine's good.Oh but please, if you see something wrong, I would be more than delighted to hear.That Second Founding guy tried yesterday because I was not being nice to Rook and he just happened to be the one who wanted to have successors chapters out of the Nova Defenders.
>>34498539Yess, *cough* cut out the cancer. Don't leave even one bit, *wheeze* or there will be no recovery *gasp* *cough* It must be done carefully, *gulp* rush and you'll miss something.
>>34498475>>34498337Brothers, i know your betraying the Emperor for his wrong doings but do these prolomations not seem extreme to you ?
Whelp, its time to crash for me. Nothing planned for tomorrow, so emprah willing i'll be glad to throw out some more stuff. Odds are I'll pick out one of the legions that hasn't been worked on much and commandeer it if the original dude hasn't popped back in.
>>34498623>>34498621Never!Johannes!Time for Medicine and Surgery!PURGE AND CUT!
>>34498585Alright that sounds fi- >>34498480...okay.
>>34498567Basically slightly weaker marines, that adapted to ranged combat and defensive strategies. They also have a big ol' boner for plasma and electric weapons. The veteran squads are called blockade marines and use big riot shields. Another anon took over my primarch's bio, so now he is a super band of brothers bro. I always envisioned him as a sarcastic dick but a smart one. If anyone is writing for Rook, I just ask that you don't scrap his sense of humor, and his battlefield intellect.
>>34497936"The Xeno Lover has an awful lot of talk about medicine for a general""Hmm? Oh ,Brother, It hardly matters what the Zealot might hear. I could care less what he might care about me.""The Psyker's certainly have a purpose, he's right about that. Strapped to a warmachine leasing that fire of their's on to our enemies. Think of the desolation they could cause our enemies!""The risk? Brother, there has been no problem I have ever faced that could not be solved with the proper application of my Thunder Hammer.""Well they certainly don't belong along side out apothecaries whatever Aubrey tell himself. The mutants are weapons to be used, nothing more."
>>34498480Too early to add in the guys that are the primarch's left and right hands? I don't see how you figure.
>>34497548LET ME TELL YE THE TALE OF ONYX'S LAST(?) BATTLE>at the edge of the universe, onyx stood facing the monstrous entity>like a warp storm, but greater, more concentrated, more... sentient>it crackled with energy, consuming the nuetron star before them>they stood on a dim, lifeless rock, hanging somewhere past the farthest fringe worlds>the green energy exploded from the zombie star, hurtling towards their rocky outcropping>the force thst hit them was like an atomic blast; many were unable to remain standing>onyx stood, and began trudging forward>the green energy concentrated into a humanoid form, only comparable to a god>its voice rang out like thunder from all directions>"DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM, HUMAN?">onyx did not reply>"I AM STAR-DEVOURER, UNIVERSE-DESTROYER, I AM DEATH. NAY, I AM MORE THAN YOUR MORTAL DEFINITION OF DEATH. I SUCKLED ON PROTOGALAXIES SECONDS AFTER TGE UNIVERSE WAS BORN. NOW I COME TO GORGE ON YOURS>onyx stared at the being>he lowered his head, and closed his eyes>then he punched it
>>34498594>>34498585>>34498567Oh I know they are all flawed, there are several things in locations here and there I question.With the Nova Defenders, alot of it is the handling of the Astartes themselves and I know most of that is probably because inside I am saying 'That's not how that works.' But we are changing alot.Still though, the Astartes see too human, their implied interactions with dirty jokes and what not. Also I know its stupid, but I'm not a big fan of Nova Defenders as a name. Nova Legion perhaps.I do how ever like the idea that he learned to fight and command by serving beside the Marines. I think that can be expanded on maybe.
>>34498552The legends of my people say that the entire universe is suffused with great power, and that those of great souls may tap into it.They also say that the world was nearly flooded when an angry fisherman broke the wind's wing and he went crying home to his wife.Still, both are true after a fashion.Great men can indeed bend reality to their will, and the wife of the wind explained that flooding the world was not a reasonable response to a single outraged fisherman.
>>34498671>His smaller weaker men fight by forming a little wall of shields.Holy shit, I bet my legion would love tearing you guys a new one.
>>34498623>>34498653HAHA*cough*cough* You can't tolerate corruption, *gasp* it will destroy everything good. *wheeze**deep breath* PARADISE AWAITS! *cough*
>>34498694Alright, go ahead then.
>>34498682"Perhaps you'd like to test this Surgeon General!"Aubrey bolts from his sitting position, hands edging closer to his twin blades."I'll be sure to use extra Iodine for your wounds!"
>>34498722>wall of shieldsMore like wall of fire, and that isn't even really a thing anymore.
>>34498610I suppose that could work, but the Eyes of the Emperor would be a bit more on the conservative side, especially after the fight with the Iron Rangers and their disagreements with the War Scribes. Also, I don't really seeing the Eyes asking for help, they would rather try to tough it out. But I could imagine them coming, and Ocullus say "Bro I got this" Then getting smacked face down by a titan, but being saved by Sargon and them teaming up to stop the Iron Rangers from destroying all of mars with their virus
>>34498709>the shock of being physically wounded sent the aeons-old star god reeling>the ore that made up his armor was resistant to all manner of energies, be it warp or whatever wicked power was before him>his fist crumbled and cracked, having endured the force of several supernovae in one blow>he then slammed his other fist into the shocked star spawn, sending their planetary orbit off by 12 degrees, and changing the color of the nuetron star to deep black>the c'tan gathered its energy and bathed the system in sickly green light>onyx struggled to keep his footing, his armor chipping and charring>onyx sent his men back to the ship>"HOW DARE YOU TOUCH ME WITH MORTAL HANDS. YOU ARE BUT A MITE ON A SPECK OF DUST TO ME">he raised his crumbling fists into the air and brought them down with all of his force, fracturing the c'tan into oblivion>"learn your place, puny god">the blast sent shockwaves across the universe, causing every necron to fluctuate; even the ruinous powers felt a shudder creep up their spine. it is possible even the great hivemind felt a tiniest fraction of fear at that exact moment>onyx was hurtled into the next sector, it took weeks to recover his body>he was barely alive, suffering from burns and radiation>in order to preserve him, the Stone Men cast him into molten stone, encasing him until the day he may possibly recover>it is said that he is in the warp, waiting with his battle brothers to return to battle one day, emerging from the stone with 45,000 men
>>34498722And do so while being super awesome bros.You will not only be able to break them physically, but mentally too...
>>34498730First Captains and the like can often shape a Primarch, like Erebus, Kor Pharon and Luther.
>>34498552Our father may have engineered us, yes. However, as he has stated, he is not a god. These abilities, however unnatural they may seem to us, are a product OF nature. And while nature gives us water to drink, air to breathe, and food to eat, so, too, does it give us predators in the bush, sinkholes in the earth, and lakes in which to drown.I do not claim to know all the answers, and I do not fully understand these gifts, these abilities, myself, I merely speak so that a gap may be bridged, and so that we may continue our Crusade as one, again.
>>34498709pic related>>34498671Goddamn, that sounds like the greatest fucking thing.Also, any traitors need fleshing out? I'm really stalling on the Successors.
>>34498776As I said, go ahead. You guys want to do as you please, go ahead.
>>34498781"I think this is a very reasonable position. We should protect ourselves from unknown dangers until they can be properly understood and handled."
>>34498753>sending their planetary orbit off by 12 degreesGod damn I love Onyx and the Stonemen so much.
>>34498748Give them a lot of fieldcraft, scouts, and trapmaking talents. Heck, tomorrow if you're cool with it I wouldn't mind trying my hand at fleshing them out a bit.
>>34498752Mmm, that works too.The two have a strained relationship.Mars sends out a general plea for aid, the Eyes show up quickly, the Barrow Lords are on their way, but it takes a little bit.Then there's an awesome team up but.
>>34498781But is the risk of misusing this gift too great? We have many examples of the warp twisting psykers into horrid monsters, entire fleets becoming lost in its ethereal clouds, and not to mention that we, as humanity, are not the soul heirs to it, as shown with the many xenos we have fought that brandish it as well? Is it worth the risk to give the child a gun, and in the end, have the child shoot himself with it or is it better to keep the tool, protect the child ourselves?
>>34498722Dude, you already get to kill Rook, what more do you want?>>34498796We also like Rook North because he dies sacrificing himself for his Legion.>>34498711I think the Nova Defenders trope is that you can (somewhat) relate to these guys, though it's a fine line between that and "super-guardsmen".
Alright, I gotta crash. Catch y'all on the flipside.
>>34498871Be my guest. I sort of like the idea of the legion being a mobile defensive wall of sorts. Scouts, Rhinos, Land Raiders and what have you are all fine by me. I also like the trap idea.
I just had a thought.Does Cadia exist?
>>34498711>I do how ever like the idea that he learned to fight and command by serving beside the Marines. I think that can be expanded on maybe.That idea would be interesting if it was not tied to the fact that "he was weak, so they had to help him".If instead it was focusing on him getting know his soldiers, focusing on bonding with them while hiding both his identity and capabilities, and sometimes revealing them to handle some wrongs... Now we would have something.That whole "we are weaker so we have to be friends with each other" that's the problem.Why could they just not go "we WANT to be friends with each others"
>>34498933>That whole "we are weaker so we have to be friends with each other" that's the problem.That was never a thing. You made that a thing.
>>34498966Sure, that was me.
>>34498746Kranios turned to his adversary, partly surprised he had heard him over the roar of the crowd, but more so that the Zealot heard him over it's brooding."Brother, We are still on the same side of this argument, and let's do nothing foolish, in front of our dear Father."Kranios unslung the massive Thunder Hammer from his back and place it's head on the floor, leaning his weight on it and cracking the etched tiles of the floor as he scratched the massive scar along his head."Also, the next time you wish to threaten a brother with a wounding? Pick one who has not survived being cast down mountains that make this world's greatest mountains look like a stepping stone"
>>34498966That's a good example of the problem of engaging with Nathanog. Your descriptions aren't entirely clear and he doesn't have the patience to ask for further explanations. Like I tell everyone else, just ignore the guy and carry on having a good time. Everyone else likes a good part of what you're doing with the Nova Defenders, even if they have some concerns.
>>34499007"I suppose that explains your disposition, as well as that eye sore you call a visage, I have trouble distinguishing you from my lizardian comrades."
>>34498832Towards this end, I propose establishing a college of sorcery. There we can pool our resources and knowledge. We set up a system of rotating oversight to ensure things do not get out of hand. Perhaps the Custodes?
>>34498893Of course it is too risky. That which you can understand, you can control, and even then there is still a chance of accident. The Immaterium is beyond understanding, twisting, unpredictable and utterly uncontrollable. However great the man trying to tame it, he is just a human, and all men make mistakes. To allow a single individual to wield a destructive power of that magnitude is nothing but folly.
>>34498933I think that with what little I have read on the wiki that might be filling in the blanks on your part. But learning the ways of war and bonding with his men though that is a good approach. It makes him see like the Primarch version of Dick Winters. That does how ever lead to >>34498911 and they seem much more like Super Guardsmen, and to me, right now thats what they are.They have a good idea in parts. I dont think they should be small or weak Marines. They should be like Ultramarines, but with out the stick up their ass.
>>34499005They used ranged combat to compensate for being SLIGHTLY weaker. Everyone else decided it was an army of bros because /tg/ has a thing for that, and I rolled with it because bros are best. They don't need to be bros to win, all they need is a wall of plasma to throw at the enemy.>>34499028I might just turn my bare bones concept over to you guys to fluff, since this is pretty time consuming.
>>34499074"Oh. Has the study of Sorcery been proven safe? I thought that would await the Emperor's judgement, but we are all prone to occasional mistakes, are we not?"
>>34499028Suits yourself, it's all me, you guys are right on everything.I will go there and just focus on making my legion not suck, Mr. "Who we are Angels of Space, Void Angels"Philosopher-Kings, my ass.
>>34499119>They should be like Ultramarines, but with out the stick up their ass.Rook confirmed for Not! Rowbutt
>>34499061"Do you? Just as well, I suppose. I often have trouble distinguishing you from a child. Maybe it's because you so often seem to have trouble understanding our Father's Crusade is meant to place mankind ABOVE those xenos you keep in your bedchambers."
>>34498893There is a story, an old one, about a man who sought to protect his people from storms, so he locked up The Wind. But soon, the sails of the ships drooped, the clouds did not come to rain. All heaven and earth was out of balance.He realized his error and released the wind and instead taught his people how to build stronger houses.
>>34499119>They should be like Ultramarines, but with out the stick up their ass.Yeah, that's pretty sound. What we have already points in that direction.>>34499131It would still be good if you could help clarify Rook's history. I think several different versions have come and gone, but the whole "booksmart" thing sounds decent to me. Maybe he grew up in a ghost colony, with the automated education systems around so he could learn, but no people to interact with?
>>34498872Hey, no worries about the Titan. I don't really do that. Check the Wiki, I've got a section in there on pre-heresy tactics, also a bit in the bio explaining his vision for combat. If I can get my guys planetside, it's not a matter of a huge battle, it's a matter of hundreds/thousands of tiny battles all over the goddamn place. That's why I suggested Octullus kicks my ass in space, and Sargon can take care of the few that make it through the blockade. The only thing that HAS to happen on Mars is the virus upload, as that's part of why 40k is all fucked up. They can't even access most of Mars because all the machinery is Chaos infected and kills everything that crosses its path...
New thread soon?Also, what will be the ultimate conclusion of these Nikaea talks or we just messin' around?
>>34499142You arrived here on a starship, did you not? And traveled through the warp, I presume.The Navigator must have learned his trade somewhere.Or have you always been here, my brother, hiding behind the rocks to leap out and scare naughty children?
>>34499265Messin' around, getting a better feel for how the Primarchs thought. It's unfocused creativity, which we need to preserve the groupthink.
>>34499265apparently it ends with Aubrey and I hating each other. Which I am really okay with.Speaking of this fight can we finish it later or have someone interrupt us because it's getting late where I'm at.
>>34499241That's sort of what I ended with, and a couple people were upset he wasn't a total introvert after being alone so long. Despite the fact people don't just BECOME introverted.
>>34499131Being bro could be one of their points IF it wasn't dragged by "that's because we are weaker."Anyway, I get the "we are weaker in melee so we favor ranged attacks"You still have to solve what makes your legion special.Plasma? All will they develop the tech to have the best Plasma in the galaxy, ESPECIALLY if you make them live on a planet with only fishermen.Defense? They are not strong in melee and they are not stoic like the Imperial Fist or Iron Hands, defense is kinda like a no-go.And that's leaving aside the problem of your primarch's uprising.Be careful, you agve the reigns of your legion to people who just want the Legion to exist, not for it to be at its best.
>>34499163Oh good god. For some one who claims to be willing to talk to people, you sure do get pissy in a hurry. If you're unhappy, be unhappy, but don't do this passive aggressive shit. Say what you need to say and then *be done with it*. Sometimes, people will accept your comments, and sometimes they won't. Holding grudges against them is foolish, especially since this is a fanon project, based off a canon that varies WILDLY in power level and consistency. Like I've told other people in other threads, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to achieve an *objective* evaluation of any given aspect of 40k. It's a broad setting by design.There does come a point where the obvious OPness of things has been rounded off, and it's just two people's opinions, and the conversation needs to end there. Stop demanding what isn't possible, and learn to be more flexible.AND FOR THE REST OF YOU: Quit insulting Nathanog directly. It's only making both sides more entrenched.I mean holy shit, this is like the 3rd time you've all jumped into the same shit-tornado. Just relax.
>>34499187Seriously though, if you are going with the whole from a world where he was alone or what ever, make it so when he gets found and the Emperor puts him in the line with the others, he studies all aspects of war trying to figure out how best he can lead his men, people will die yeah, but how to minimize that, how to increase the effectiveness of his formations.I know we already have the Codex being worked on by other chapters, but perhaps you come up with something similar to a Battle Company, where the small numbers force tighter cohesion and more trust between the Brothers. Something that can help build that Band of Brothers mentality with out them being Easy CO as Marines.
>>34499241>Maybe he grew up in a ghost colony, with the automated education systems around so he could learn, but no people to interact with?Perhaps that's why he's so keen on making friends?
>>34499232But would it not be better to find a way around the problems we have created then to deal with the ones we can not control? the Winds as you say are unpredictable and dangerous, but the waveless seas and rainless skies can be circumvented and predicted. One can easily row them selves across the smooth lines lake and grow their crops upon the river. Or, why must we fully let go of the winds? To better control the warp is a possibility, and although it is more dangerous, it is better then simply letting it run amok.
>>34499200"And you seem to misunderstand the concept of collateral damage.""You see, collateral damage is.. how do I explain this to you, counter productive...""What's the point of this crusade if you kill every last man, woman and child along the way? Oh sure, you'll be rid of Xenos, but not much point in a universe that is as empty as your thick skull."
>>34499232We do not need this "wind", only astropaths for communication. And we do not have the option to build "stronger houses" either, as the potential danger is infinite and no defense will ever be strong enough.>>34499265It'll end with Emps just decreeing psykers are bad, ignoring what was said, same as in canon. Unless we decide him being convinced is more interesting because there are psyker-heavy legions on both sides this time.
>>34499319Yes, I know I went up there a bit too much, but you will notice Gaspard spent his time trying to turn the whole thing about "Nathanog this, Nathanog that"But yes, I have to stick to advising and leaving it at that, and know when I'm not wanted. I get it.
>>34499287Lumey smiles. "I am here because the Emperor summoned me; if I frighten children it is for his cause. You are welcome to belittle such loyalty."
>>34499329He can't be better at strategy by just reading books when his brothers spent their youths actually applying those lessons...That's the problem with this "he was all alone reading books"While he was doing that his brothers were conquering planets, making empires, or searching for archeo-tech......
>>34499315Take a steer from the majority (especially >>34499330). It's fine.
>>34499396That's why I told everybody to quit insulting you personally. They're doing so because you're being extremely picky, and giving the *impression* that there's only one way to interpret 40k, your way, and anyone who doesn't adhere to your way is 100% wrong.You're not doing a good job of convincing people to listen to you *at all*. But, they're not right to be assholes, either. And they should stop casting personal aspersions.>"and know when I'm not wanted" THAT.THAT RIGHT THERE.That's the passive-aggressive shit that *will* get you in trouble. If people disagree, then agree to disagree. Don't go sulking into a corner and complain about how "I'm not wanted, why don't they like me, boo hoo hoo". That's a goddamn 13 year old girl's way of going about things. Fuck that noise, be better than that.
>>34499396Alright, dude, look, it's not that we don't want you in this group, you have contributed some good ideas, as has everyone, it's just that you're a bit too aggressive and in people's faces about stuff. No one will listen to the good points of your argument if you do that. I think you've got the same problem as Rook, where you have a hard time translating all of your ideas, but whereas he gets kinda soft about it, you get super aggressive.
>>34499329Because of when Rook dies, I suspect the Nova Defenders have minor deviations from the Codex only.
>>34499316>Being bro could be one of their points IF it wasn't dragged by "that's because we are weaker."But that isn't why people decided they were bros. It's because in the few sentences I used to describe my primarch first I said he had a sense of humor. People took that and ran with it, and I was fine with it.>Defense? They are not strong in melee and they are not stoic like the Imperial Fist or Iron Hands, defense is kinda like a no-go.Why does defense have to be fought fisticuffs? In modern combat, you don't see marines throwing their rifles down, and fighting the enemy hand to hand when they advance.>>34499329These ideas you guys have for the most part sound fine, and that's why I'm starting to let go of creative control.>>34499330>Perhaps that's why he's so keen on making friends?First time I wrote his back story I used something like this. "Common legend states that Rook never had anyone to talk to in his youth, and that's why he can't shut up."
>>34499495> you get super aggressiveOh gosh, anon thank you for the compliment.I'm joking.I get what you and >>34499482 are saying and I will try to act on that. Can't promise it will get done though.
>>34499310I think this is awesome, I am also ok with this.
>>34499547>"Common legend states that Rook never had anyone to talk to in his youth, and that's why he can't shut up."Fuck yeah, dude!I'm the guy who wanted a legion but had to settle for a successor. If you want someone to help you out but still let you retain control, I'd be happy to.
>>34499468I wasn't saying that he learned it from reading, I said learned while with his Legion. You can study with out it being through a book. Study the battle after its won. The movements of your men, ect.>>34499502Yeah, but they could have had very similar structures in place already.>>34499547I wouldn't let og of creative control, just read suggestions, take what you like and twist it to suit you. Who cares if we dont like every detail, its your Legion.I still, however, think in addition to everything, Nova Legion is a better choice than Nova Defenders.
>>34499433I don't belittle your loyalty. Merely your ignoring the evident. I have always respected your careful consideration of matters. Consider this one as well.
>>34499547>In modern combatIt's 40k, you ahve people with axes who can do some real damage alongside heavy bolters.
>>34499359"I seem to have brought more world's into this Imperium then almost any of our brothers. Now they may be lacking in populations and cities, unlike your xenos harboring utopias, but I assure you, sweet child, men and woman reproduce. In fact they make past times and profession out of it.""So if you are done crying those proud tears of yours in front of our Father like the ill raised, xeno loving, misbegotten cur that you are, I would enjoy attending to the matter at hand, so that I may sooner return to claiming worlds for this Imperium! That isn't to hard for you to comprehend. is it Zealot?"
>>34499606If we're making the Nova Defenders the Ultramarines, then they have a bazillion Successors. You could definitely work some up to help detail Rook North.
>>34499608Legion sounds a little bland for my taste. Do you know where the name came from?
>>34499651I hadn't seen where the original name came from no.
>>34499362>>34499345Octullus, will you join me in exploring ways to restrain the wind?
>>34499651It's the Lighthouse, yeah? I think you should go with the suggestion to farm that off to a Successor Chapter... and maybe give them the name "Nova Defenders", while the main legion has a more 'open' name. (Not Legion, if only because Nova Legion legion doesn't really work.)
>>34499700It would be just like saying Alpha Legion
>>34499628"Kranios, calm yourself. You do no favors to your argument, or to your brothers, by childish insults and taunts in front of our father. Do not let this trial be a mockery."
>>34499608That's even worse, he will come to his men with no experience about anything whatsoever and be embarked in the greatest endeavors of Humanity, the Crusade.In the fluff I red, he spent his youth alone in a lighthouse full of books, and then learned tthings from those books.This is where I made my first suggestions, have him have an AI or something that will teach how to read. And I had to fight for this one to be even considered by him.And that was before I had seen the other stuffs about the Legion, the Lighthouse/isolation was just broken.So now, he reads all his youth will his brothers do the same AND conquer planets... Or worse he doesn't even read before being handled his legion and just learn by throwing them in the gutter...
>>34499674I See no reason not to try and do so, my friend, as long as we are cautious and our father gives us his permission
>>34499724Let's just say that's not one of my favourite names.
>>34499606>>34499650I'm always excited about people making second foundings off the Novas, and feel free to pitch any ideas you have whenever. I usually try to read all the suggestions attached to my legion.>>34499670Originally they were a chapter I had been messing around with a while back. They were created to defend a relic warp gate/direct path to terra called the lighthouse. Their core philosophy surrounds believing that they are the defenders of light.>>34499700I'd rather not do this because it would get ride of the entire legion's philosophy, but I'm not completely objective to it.
>>34499724Nova Legion works.
>>34499628"If you are indeed done belittling me with such terms as "Xeno-lover" then Indeed I am.""At the very least I keep my xeno brethren from ravaging the local human populous, which is more than I can say for your legion, I keep my allies within their domain, not the planets I conquer in our fathers endless glory.""Ask any Ork Warboss in my sector who I am, they will answer that I am the breaker of Waaaghs! why? because my men last damned longer then anything you can throw out, because my men are trained in the art of medicae.""Which brings me to my original point, psykers with the capability to heal wounds on the battle field, as and when they are being made, shielding combatants from arms fire, will break any enemy faster than simply throwing some mis-begotten blast of warp energies, if all that come of magicks being sanctioned is something we can crank out out of a forge world that was meant for mass destruction, then I believe this is a waste of time.
>>34499731Why is it you seem to think that if one happens, then the other can't?Why can't he learn from and AI and then be thrown in to his Legion as a recruit and fighting for a few years?I don't remember saying he was just some backwoods kid that didn't know anything that was thrown in to war.Lets not forget the other Primarchs who had no formal training, just their primitive learning from their home worlds, or even those that had none period, such as Russ and Curze.>>34499759Fair enough.>>34499787I see, like >>34499700 said have the defenders guard that artifact then as a Successor to your main Legion. Perhaps they are formed from a force left specifically by the Primarch for that purpose.
>>34499754Brothers? Will you join us?And I am going to get to bed.
>>34499787>Their core philosophy surrounds believing that they are the defenders of light.You could take this more figuratively. I mean, one thing that hasn't been explored is what becomes of Rook's homeworld. It's basically (entirely?) empty when the Imperium discovers it, but capable of supporting life. So after his initial induction, Rook basically has the chance to lay out his model (enlightened) society there. That riffs of the Realm of Ultramar, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
>>34499727"Oh I am calm brother. But I fear I must excuse myself. I'm afraid my stance isn't the idealistic delusion of these Zealots. To Hell with your Psykers Aubrey! I'd launch each of the mutants into space if the Emperor asked it of me! This is all a waste of my time! I'm going to back what I was made for! War."
>>34499650>>34499651Sure, if it's okay with Rook, I'd like to chime in.Rook North just sounds fucking cool. He sounds like your best buddy, the one dude who would help you with anything and who makes you a better guy just by being around. I get the feeling that while all the other Legions see their Primarchs "as intended" (as a father figure), the Nova Defenders would see him as their best bro, both on a large level, and to an extent as individuals. Like "Spiritual Liege", but more personal.Now imagine if your best buddy in the whole world, who would totally carve his way through the Warp for you, who only ever wanted you to be your fucking best... Just fucking died.Primarch-death is always traumatic. For the Novas, it should be both even more so, and not so. They should be utterly traumatized because every individual marine, even the ones who never knew North, just lost their best friend.They should take that as a model for themselves. They aren't just bro because they stand together. They are bros because they want to emulate their primarch in the way he counted most.Some legions emulate their primarch's love of technology.Others his cloak and dagger trickery.Some followed their primarch into the warp, and others use swords and heavy armor because their pirmarch did.Nova Defenders are the way they are because their primarch.If I read to much into the Novas, please stop me now, haha.
So I just read the whole of the Council of Nikaea on Lexicanum.So it is quite clear that the Council was meant in short, to deal with the Thousand Sons because the Emperor hates the use of sorcery. So, this probably means that the Voidwatcher will probably take the role of Magnus. With the many large amount of Psyker-Marines Legions around, the Council will probably be more broad instead of the focus trial in the original setting. What I see is the Anti-Psyker groups being obviously preferred by the Emperor and those holding the trial, with extreme bias played on the part of Malcaldor, the Silent Sisters, and the Custodes. The Pro-Psykers are trying to get a majority on their side, swaying those on the fence or those Anti to see the reason in using Psykers.At the very end, someone probably tries to present the idea of not using sorcery but keeping the Librarius.Whatever the result, all those who use sorcery and try to sell this as beneficial to the Imperium(Looking at Alexandri himself here too) the Emperor will probably punish them or give them an extremely harsh warning against using sorcery again.
>>34499939There's stuff about Rook's death in the Ironsides Chapter and implications in the Lionhearts. See http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_Heresy#Notable_Successors_2. I think what you're going for fits the mould.
Okay I'm beggining to nod off.Aubrey, I'm writing Fall fluff for my guy that probably involves burning one of your "Xenos Utopias" to the ground and presenting Xenos heads to the Emperor or something.Later.
>>34499963That's kinda where I was going with Gaspard as prosecutor beyond his convictions (because he hates The Voidwatcher), and Darius as the voice of reason.
Hey guys, heres a draft for Darius's appearance and personality. Any feed back is appreciated."Of average height in terms of primarchs, Darius had tanned skin and a athletic but well muscled body. He had long black hair pulled back into a pony tail looped with golden that fell just below his neck but with both sides of his head shaved in an undercut. Due to exposure to the warp as a babe, he is now blind, his eyes are pure silver like pools of liquid metal and his face has a timeless youth to it giving him a rather otherworldly appearance. He usually wore long loosely fitted robes of either vivid or muted colors. His artificer armor was much better fitted; slender and streamlined and was colored more of a burnished gold color than the radiant gold of the Emperor and his custode. In battle he wielded an ancient force shotel named "Atropos" while leaving his other hand free to cast warp powers. Darius is a philosophical yet judicious man. Due to his upbringings he has a very spiritual demeanor, though he has cast off religion in favor of the Imperial Truth. He enjoys visiting and counseling his brothers, as their father once counseled him. He often quotes various proverbs and challenges his brothers think outside the box when they are presented with difficult decisions which annoys more than a few of them (I'm assuming). He embraces his brothers individuality On occasion he will provide them with cryptic prophecies, though he dares not look too far into the future after being traumatized with what he saw the first time he did so. While he tries to maintain a humble desposition, many are unsettled when they look into his warp tainted eyes, or feel he is looking down on them with his riddles"
>>34499929>>34499727"Yes, that does not shock me, more loyal blood on your hands Kranios, come to me when your armour finally becomes too stained with the blood of the children of the Imperium, I may yet cleanse it""A second point to be raised, what is to become of these people, born loyal into our glorious Imperium, with these gifts they never chose to have? will they merely be fed to blood thristy psychopaths to be executed? exiled? why deny them the chance to use their gifts? To do so goes against what this crusade goes against!"
>>34500015>>34499963In terms of the original, yes, that's almost exactly it. Magnus managed to win the jury, and the Emperor stepped in to squash it, mandating the end of the Librarius, as well as making any further inquiries into the immatereum forbidden.To Lumey, well, played, sir, well played.
Super-Empathy is worthless by itself in 40k. A best friend doesn't help you survive an Ork's axe.Sanguinnius commended the admiration AND love of everyone, but that's because he was beauty incarnate, a peerless fighter, gifted, ect...What is Rook?He is nice to people? Exceptionally nice to people?
>>34499994Evil bastard.I love you.But Knights of Justice beat you to that punch, I'd suggest more the lines of taunting Aubrey after that Betrayal.Ammo for you.Xenos betrayed him.Knights got to purge them.You probably wished you could have been there to purge the place yourself.
I Will be returning to my ship to talk this over with my sons. If any of you wish to say something to me before i head, better well do it now.
Well, Im gonna be off for the night, catch you all later.Ave Imperator and all that
>>34500117Actually, Sanguinius was sub-par to average (for a Primarch) in just about everything. His big defining feature was the fact that he was a peacemaker. He could converse and empathize with everyone, and tied the Blood Angels together tighter than most of the other Primarchs.
>>34500137I also shall be leaving.I need to prepare my Primarch for a likely attempted murder upon Kranios after The Betrayal happens.That should slip me into madness quite nicely.
>>34499986Nice. It also sounds like Nova Successors come out of really notable events. Not a bad idea, but it kind of flies in the face of making one to guard the Lighthouse.
>>34500180Are you kidding me? He kicked the ass of Bloodthirsters, and stood up to Chaos Horus for a non-zero quantity of time. Sanguinius is a brutally competent warrior. Close combat is his jam, man. He's no Angron, or Russ, but he might very well be number 3.
>>34500180I'd put the Nova Defenders somewhere inbetween the Blood Angels, The Ultramarines and the Dark AngelsEmpathises with others well.Have a good sense of a brotherhood [Dark Angels]Plasma tech.Good tactical sense [Ultras]Successors should be VERY close to eachother
>>34500187>attempted murder upon KraniosGood luck.
>>34500233I wonder how Russ would have faired against Horus.
>>34499853I'm not completely opposed to this idea. Like an honor guard that became a chapter.>>34499885I like this a lot too. What if the Novas made the planet an oasis, and breathed life into the barren rock? What if the Novas new name was "Nova Commanders". What if they believed they were the commanders of the light. Not only were they defending it, but they fucking control it. They are the masters of light, and the darkness bends to their will. It would explain their obsession with Plasma and Electricity. Or is that to white knight?>>34499939>If I read to much into the Novas, please stop me now, haha.No this is pretty much the way every anon interpreted the Novas, and while it wasn't my original intent I gladly embraced it.After that, I imagined the Novas took Rook's death similar to how ACTUAL FUCKING SPOILERS AHEAD Simon takes Kamina's death in TTGL.
>>34500257New book has Russ straight up admit he'd get his shit wrecked by Horus.
>>34499853It's not even sure the Nova Defender guy added the AI. I can see him being recruited and following the courses of his children.But how that makes him better than another Nova Defender who did the same?He needs something that makes him special, what is that thing that makes him worth more than another Nova Defender who was recruited and climbed the ladder.
>>34500250It would mostly end up as a rage filled spat that would be the Lion and the wolf of this universe.
>>34500117Everyone follows him because they like him. He's the ultimate leader in this setting, not because he's the best tactician or a peerless fighter or even an amazing politican. He just shows people something they've never known, compassion. It's like all the Imperial worlds that aren't so jealous surrendering to the Tau simply because they don't want to brutally oppressed anymore. He's the perfect primarch, because he's not a crazed egotist or a monster or a machine dedicated to only fighting and leading. He's a human being who loves his men like brothers and is willing to help the citizens of the Empire because he values them as living beings, not just stats or as "loyal citizens of the Imperium." His role from the Emperor would be the face for the people. The Primarch he sends to go quell a riot or go raise his approval ratings. The people would love seeing this seemingly regular person before them, this likeable person convincing them everything is going to be alright and that they have a friend.
>>34500215That's OK, they could have more Successors!>>34500238>Successors should be VERY close to each otherTotally, and there's already a start of that. We're told that the Ironsides>are particularly loyal to their Founding Chapter. If sometimes the Ironsides have had to refuse a call from Rylethon, it's always been with good reason.
>>34500257Good question. There's not really a good way to call that fight, I think. Sanguinius was the better in terms of skill, but Russ might have had the tenacity (and the mercilessness) to actually finish the fight, assuming Horus didn't just "FOOLISH WOLF, I SEE THROUGH YOUR ATTACKS", and just TACTICIANSTAB Russ in the head.
>>34500180That's just wrong.It's your knowledge of 40k lore that's sub-par to average.
I return to my slumber. I have much to think about and I need my rest.
>>34500233You're right about the Bloodthirster, but that shouldn't exactly sell a whole lot. From what I understand, they weren't exactly easy prey, but they were still weaker and slower than any of the Primarchs.I think he was only better than Guilleman, who was, according to the recent additions to the HH series, a statesman and politician first, a warrior second. When you're talking about things in comparison to Primarchs when it comes to who is stronger, it's more like "yeah, Loki was probably the weakest god because he wasn't as good at fighting as Zeus, Odin, or Thor."Hell, most of the Chapter's aptitude for CC was because of the whole Psychic Scream when Horus murdered his ass.
>>34500283Tone down the light stuff and play on the double meaning of Nova. We associate it with stars, but it also means "new". These guys saw themselves as the bearers of a new society, a better way of life. To some extent, they still do.
>>34500302Compassion won't help against the Tyranids.
>>34493818Side note, there's still 8 Primarchs without named homeworlds. And 4 who haven't been placed in the Order of Discovery table.
>>34500373Yeah, that's definitely a better idea. I got swept up in the theatricality of 40k.
>>34500390It will, it will unite all the people of the planet together to defend against them as a cohesive fighting force and not run in terror separately.
>>34500413>>34500302I think it's funny that people keep coming back to the teamwork and ultra bro thing. I don't think I ever wrote that, and it's everyone's interpretation of Rook and the Novas. Not really a bad thing, just funny.
>>34500283Have Rook landing on a technologically advanced world.He is raised by a common family, gets a decent education but the society he lives in is one of elitist knowdledge.In the middle of the city is the Lighthouse, the building where the gratest minds of the planets go.He wants to go there and thanks to his Primarch abilities is the first commoner to do so.Over the years he becomes the rulers of the Lighthouse and has control of a technologically inclined society that has knowledges of the way to control Light -> Make the best Plasma weapons of the Imperium.Nova -> PlasmaLegion
>>34500283>that spoilerYeah, I had exactly the same image, haha.>>34500313I had an idea kind of jumping off the bit about the "Ghost World" stuff.A lot of those worlds are wide open for colonization by Imperials, but they aren't exactly safe.>nice ghost world is found, plenty of archeotech>colonists accidentally awaken somethingProbably Necrons, but that's ALWAYS the thing that is awakened. I like the idea of it not being an enemy exactly, more like just an event.>Nova Defenders respond>after, veterans of the campaign are tapped to form a new chapterThe emphasis of the chapter is to screen recently-colonized worlds and help the settlers settle in. They have a lot of area to cover, so their communications must be great.
>>34500413>stick together and don't runThat's common leadership in 40k, a Commissar could fucking do that.The Tyranids won't care. The Necrons won't care.
>>34500302I like parts of this for Rook, though he doesn't need to be the best leader. It also suggests that his reaction to Roman's death isn't just "Roman, NOOO!!!" but also the realization that if the Traitors will do this, no peace can be made.Unfortunately, he dies before telling the Emprah that, but GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FUTURE and all that
>>34500474Nathanog, if you're going to recite the same arguments in the same manner, you might as well openly attach your handle to it. If I can see it, other people can to.
>>34500505To an extent, you're right. But fear of getting shot by your commander only takes you to the point where you're still more afraid of that than the enemy. I'd rather get shot than eaten by Nids. And that Comissar might miss because he's being eaten by said Nids.Compassion takes you further. It drives you to the point of throwing yourself into a fray, not because you're afraid, but because you are willing to do whatever's necessary, death included.
>>34500505The Commissar would be abandoned the moment he couldn't shoot his men into submission.Rook North's men stand and fight until there's no way they can win— then they win.>>34500474Common origins is pretty great, but the Ghost Planet, man...
>>34500564Whether you're right or not, this is almost the least useful post you could possibly make. If it is him, he has no reason do do anything other than accuse you of being defensive and paranoid.And if it's NOT him, then you actually *are* acting defensive and paranoid. This post only undermines you, dude.
>>34500474What if it's still a rural planet, but the small villages have such an abundance of plasma, they use it in everything almost better than the imperium? They use plasma tech for things like lighting, and heat. It's sort of common place there. They don't realize how valuable it is.>>34500490If you want to go right up the Lighthouse Marines, feel free. I'm totally fine with this.>>34500512The grimmest and darkest.
>>34500608Whoops, meant to reply to: >>34500534
>>34500608I think you meant>>34500534
>>34500564I did say basic, right? BASIC.A Chapter Master now? What can the Chapter Master not do that Rook can when it comes to Leadership? Be nice?>>34500583That Ghost Planet is totally anti-thesis with Plasma weaponery, they can't come out of nowhere.
>>34500620>If you want to go right up*WRITE
>>34500626Why yes, yes I did.>>34500620Random 2 am thought. Has anyone ever told you that when you say your Primarch's name out loud, it sounds like a Chinese guy telling someone to "look north"?
>>34500620How will they then develop the best Plasma weapons in the galaxy when they don't even know its potential.Unless your Primarch show them.In the end you HAVE to end up with a technologically advance planet, advanced enough to mass produce those for the Nova Legion during the Crusade and the Heresy.
>>34500635Alright, personal experience time.>Was in the military for a while>Had bad leaders, good leaders, and GREAT leaders.>Bad leaders, you follow their orders, but are constantly undermining them/finding ways out of responsibility (Commissar)>Good leaders, you follow their orders, and then some, because you trust him, and don't want to let him down (Chapter Master)>Great leader approaches you, "We're going on a mission to Hell to piss in the Devil's Cheerios." You follow him, piss in said Cheerios, and kick him in the shins for good measure.>Good leaders you follow. Great leaders you die for.
>>34500608Yeah, I guess I've lost my patience. That anon, whoever he is, is running a straw man with the "Kindness" thing (as Rook has pointed out) and wasting a lot of time.
>>34500725You severely under-estimate the influence and respect a Chapter Master can command.
>>34500711This is a pretty good point. Cut the plasma thing, Rook, it doesn't make sense for the Nova Defenders.
>>34500635Hyper advanced planet, abandoned due to "grey goo scenario". Goo ran-out its lifetime, and centuries later Rook shows up, finding a world with a benevolent AI, but stripped clean of human life.
>>34500725That's all wall and good, but you'd better be prepared to REALLY step up your writing game to convey a "great" leader. It can't just fall into his lap, it'll have to be earned, by definition. It's a high-effort, high-reward situation, basically, but it cannot be done halfassed. Good luck, bro.
>>34500791This. This is what we're going with. I like this a lot.
>>34500791>benevolent AIFULL STOP, DO NOT PASS GO. There's not much about 40k canon that is ironclad, but one of the things that comes closest is the impossibility of successful AI or Transhumanism, as a friendly AI would massively tip the balance in favor of progression and advancement, to say nothing of galactic command and control. I would very strongly be against any such thing, personall.
>>34500769> Proof that the people blindly defending the Nova Defenders are not in to better the Legion but only want to drive the concept for their own selfish ends.You remind me of that Second Founding guy, he was against all my points because of course he had successors chapters out of the Nova Legion, not because he wanted the legion to be better.The Plasma concept is the best thing to happen to the Nova Legion, it gives it a strong point on the battlefield, fit the explosion of light a Nova is, ect...His decision I guess.
>>34500831It doesn't need to be friendly, but a learning program isn't much of a stretch. Just bad wording.
>>34500843Nova means new, dude.
>>34500831The only problem with AI is that they can be touched by Chaos, that's all.
>>34500857He specifically said the Nova in the name was for the light of the Lighthouse.You help him and yet you don't even understand his concepts... Or you are in just to prove your little point?
>>34500043No one? I'm mostly concerned about his appearance since I'm trying to make him distinct from the others, while keep his overall theme of a prophet.
>>34500795Undoubtedly, I was simply trying to convey the beginnings of an idea. From what was said, Rook learned from it as they went. Whereas most Primarchs pretty much just assumed command, Rook took the time to sit back and learn HOW to do his job, thereby cementing his connection to the Legion.Best way to alienate a group of experienced fighters is to just walk in and take command without any real knowledge of what you're doing. Something Lieutenants are still struggling to understand.I'm pointing to where this can go, not how it gets there. Rook does need a lot of work, but I think I see what he's trying to do with it all.
>>34500853>>34500858I'm just saying, throughout this project, I've tried my best not to just arbitrarily shit on people or tell them their ideas are bad, but any sort of (non-Chaos) AI or learning program beyond your average machine spirit is such a radical departure from 40k canon that I really can't let it slide in good conscience. It's a very, very, very implausible thing to have. Just have your Legion be what they are, don't ramp the power level up to the degree of finding an AI of any kind, seriously.If my guy having 4 guns was a problem, then you're going to get CRUCIFIED for that. Having an AI is going to turn the galaxy into Mass Effect, especially if it has anything to do with the "most compassionate" Primarch, or whatever you've got cooked up atm.
>>34500916How is that better than what Agron did?Do you even know what Agron did?
>>34500881Yeah, we discussed that upthread from >>34499787 and on, with Rook explaining that he was talking about Nova Defenders as the "defenders of light". I remarked that he could also tap into the literal meaning of Nova (the new) and what that would mean, and there was some agreement that this was a good explanation of what the legion was about. Giving them plasma is not a concept, it's just a gimmick.
>>34500853>>34500831>>34500858Yeah, by "benevolent" I meant "not infected with Chaos and not murderous as fuck". You're right about it being utterly incongruous though...OPTIONS:>Keep with itEmps arrives, sees Rook has become an eager young lad who is excited to introduce Emps to his "friend". The Friend is revealed to be the AI. Emps says that Rook must kill the AI.You can even have the AI back Emps on this one, and bid Rook a good-bye before he pulls the plug on it.>remove AISimplest option, but it means more legwork needs to be done. :/>rework AISuppose that the AI is benevolent because it has the mind-uploads of the people who died before the grey-goo event? Not necessarily their SOULS, since that's automatic fall. But their hopes and dreams, for example.>AI turns out to be evil after allRook was being manipulated. When Emps shows him what it means to have a REAL FRIEND, Rook kills his AI tutor for betraying him, swearing never to abide by treason again, and to treat humanity as his truest friend from that day forth. You could also get great Rook/Emps buddy moments during the AI campaign.
>>34500886Not sure how much this helps, but he looks exactly the way I thought he would.
>>34500945Aside from murdering half his captains because he was in a bad mood until Kharn let him beat the shit out of him? He also had battlefield experience, as he did lead a revolution before. And I'm sure lobotomizing everyone under your command helps them follow orders.
>>34500928AI are very not 40k because the Emperor banned the use of AI and that because of the Iron Men which were essentially AI that were touched by Chaos and nearly wiped humanity.But nothing prevent a single AI from surviving and helping Rook.But then the Emperor would kill that AI when he would land to reclaim his son.
>>34500043I like it a lot. I'm sorry no one commented on it till now. I think the whole thread got caught up in the horror that is the current nature of the Nova Defenders.I like that it portrays a really benevolent, almost saintly person. His whole appearance portrays, to me, the perfect "sagely" person. I'm picturing him always smiling at his brothers when they come and speak to him, like a kind teacher.One thing I did notice is a great many of our brothers in this thread are going for "slimmer, sleeker" design for their armor and I don't think your character needs it. He can be bulky and I don't think it would impact his overall appearance as a character. Would you mind terribly going to the wiki and telling what you think of mine? It would be appreciated Darius.>>34500958I agree with the first option or it just being a semi-sentient teaching bot, but I lean towards the first one because it kinda adds a sad element to his character.
>>34500990I'm talking about the rebellion Agron led before he met the Emperor.People were willing to follow him to death, and they did, they starved rather than surrender.And it's Agron, just Agron, certainly not the most charismatic PrimarchTell me how will Rook top that by just being nice?
>>34500928I'm pretty sure that Rook just needs a machine that can teach him to read and a library. He could even learn to read spontaneously because Primarch, that's why, but that goes a little bit against his 'down-low' thing.
>>34500886Seems like a good description, I wouldn't go with the blind bit, though...Maybe go an Odin and he lost one or something?
>>34500043Sorry for the late comment. Love it. Still space-bros.
> He could even learn to read spontaneously because PrimarchMore like because psyker.Rook should be a psyker now?
>>34501081No, that's okay. It'll end up raising the question of "WAIT DO PEOPLEJUST LIKE HIM BECAUSE HES A MINDCONTROLLING FUCK?" and I'm fairly sure that's not what this is about.
>>34501081No, because Primarch. He has hard-wired skills or something.
>>34501115Totally not a Tzeench Deamon Prince
>>34501044....And what, exactly, would they have done if they surrendered? They would have been tossed back into gladiator pits.Also, Angron refused to leave with the Emperor because he wouldn't abandon his men. Charisma, no. But that is a mark of great leadership. And the two do not necessarily go hand in hand. Hell, None of the guys I consider great leaders had any real charisma to speak of. They would have had a -4 modifier in DnD. But it's more than just charisma. It's unquantifiable and abstract. It's about knowing that this dude will literally move heaven and earth for every single dude under his command, no matter the circumstances.
>>34501115If he is to have a likeable person, or more like Primarch-level kind of likeness, it ahs to come from something. For Sanguinnus it was his beauty, Agron his ferocity and determination, for Dorn his sense of duty.Again what will it be for Rook?I say it comes from a brilliant mind (brilliant -> light -> nova) one that been educated enough and had learnt the way to harness the tech needed for the best plasma weapons in the galaxy. One that had to led very early and led people who thought they were smarter than anyone.Maybe the people on the planet were cruel and he learned to make him brilliant mind make people like him through compassion.See? The difference here is that compassion his not his asset, his trait, his MIND is the asset and THAT can be useful in 40k (see Roboute Guilliman).
>>34501167They wouldn't be starving anymore.Again, just to show you, it's just Agron, not the most spectacular when it comes to Leadership among the Primarchs.Rook need to top that by a mile. It can't be by just being nice.
>>34501230What does compassion have to do with Rook North? This is what we have on him in the wiki (I just edited to get rid of the high fives and dirty jokes):>When the Emperor discovered him, Rook North was far from a great leader, nor even a particularly fine warrior for all his natural potential. Understanding that his son had made the best of what Rylethon had to offer, the Emperor took the unusual step of inducting North into the Thirteenth Legion without introducing him as their Primarch and commander.>Of course, North passed through training with superlative results. He was the best recruit the Thirteenth had ever had. The quietness imposed by isolation broke down, and Rook was soon taking part in the rituals and camaraderie of the Legion like he'd always been born to them.>Needless to say, when North's true identity was revealed, the Thirteenth's officers were somewhat surprised to find out that they had been bossing about their progenitor for twelve months. "Brother Rook", as he would always be to the Nova Defenders, waved away apologies and the chance to right wrongs. Learning the way of the warrior alongside his men bonded North and his Legion as brothers, a tradition that would define the Nova Defenders.and then there's a little bit more in the Successors:>Rook North was a lot of things to a lot of people, but his men mostly saw him as their friend. While Nova Defenders were certainly disciplined, their willingness to obey came from understanding that their commander valued them as people. North's final sacrifice proved that he had never put himself before the rest of the Legion.Where does compassion come into this? Why are you talking about it?
>>34501230>Maybe the people on the planet were cruel and he learned to make him brilliant mind make people like him through compassion.I thought we were doing Ghost World.Alright,everyone who has contributed to Rook in some way, shape or form, reply directly to this post with whatever ideas we've had so far. We need to put it all down, both good and bad, so we can sift through it all.
>>34501286>I thought we were doing Ghost World.So did I. But, respectfully, I'm not copy-and-pasting everything in this thread into more posts in this thread.
>>34501286Will just copy-paste what I have already wrote:Have Rook landing on a technologically advanced world.He is raised by a common family, gets a decent education but the society he lives in is one of elitist knowledge.In the middle of the city is the Lighthouse, the building where the greatest minds of the planets go.He wants to go there and thanks to his Primarch abilities is the first commoner to do so.Over the years he becomes the rulers of the Lighthouse and has control of a technologically inclined society that has knowledge of the way to control Light -> Make the best Plasma weapons of the Imperium.Nova -> PlasmaLegionPlus that >>34501230
>>34501319Yeah, that would actually be a terrible idea. Pretty tired right now, and I might get some rest soon. We do need a way to sift through all the raw ideas we've got so far.
>>34501371Just to note, the AI can be incorporated into the Lighthouse.
>>34501030Ya, your description is perfect for the sorcerer archtype and I like the thousand yard stare thing you guys came up with. Its as if The Voidwatcher always sees something you don't.
Once again, new thread everyone, this one is approaching 600 posts>>34501329