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>>34483744
I'm refining my legion right now. Fixing typos and improving the writing of the 1d4chan entry and adding a combat tactics and appearance section.

Also that image was used for the second thread!

I'm writing up the fluff for my primarch and then my legion. Legion one should be easy I've got the basis of it down.

>>34483846
haha i know, thats the other thread I started.
I was going to see how long i could keep using the same picture - not long at all it seems lol

Quick question - is a Primarchs Homweworld the planet he was discovered on *or* the planet his Legion is raised on/has the Fortress monastery on?

>>34483905
>>34483846
good stuff guys. Try to get some flavourful stuff in there for your legions too, traditions, of duty, organisation etc, and who is in command/important since the Primarchs departure (death or otherwise)
try to keep who is important to like 3 people max, and only short paragraphs for them, otherwise the wiki will turn into a freaking bible-esque wall of text

>>34483998
>traditions, of duty,
that was meant to say OFF duty. Ie what are your marines like when not killing shit

>>34483998
Well, what we may need to do eventually is have it so that each Primarch's stuff is on a separate page, and there's just a table of contents linking to each of them, so it's all tucked away in submenus, essentially.

Like what they did for the Periodic Table of Dragons several weeks ago, having each element with its own page, so to speak.

>>34484039
okay well I do not know how to do that. Otherwise I would do it. I know i organised it as it is now, but i did that by guessing - i cannot into wiki

and any answer for my earlier question about Primarch homeworld?

>>34483998
I'll be adding that soon.

A Primarchs homeworld is where he is discovered from. The chapter homeworld are where it recruits from. They're generally the same thing for first founding chapters but some, like the DA in canon fluff, don't for obvious reasons or like the Imperial Fists recruit from all over.

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a very weird question that occurred to me while writing my Primarch fluff - can the Primarchs have kids? What about sex?

I mean aside from their increased size (and what would go with that), and genetic differences, they aren't castrated by the process of becoming a space marine, because they already are that way and then some..

Thoughts?

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>>34484325
I think they could do it. Hell, I wouldn't doubt if there was some Primarch-kids running about. They are just clones of the Emperor, and the Emperor made some kids over the course of his lifetime.


So why not? I expect Leman Russ to have had a shit ton of kids before the Emperor poked his head in on him.

>>34484325
Good question. It's something I've always wondered. I assume they can because they don't undergo much enhancement because they're basically god-tier innately. But who could they have sex with? Their enormous. On another less /d/ note who would they have sex? It's not like their are very many beings that compare to a Primarch in most senses so like, would the child just be a downgrade? Could a regular marine have kids if a Primarch can? Sex is something.something that I've found GW silence kinda odd, seeing as how many boobs are actually on the miniatures.

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Oh hey guess what Anons. It's my real life birthday! Just thought you guys should know because I've been talking with you all a lot and I was hoping to get some drawfriend/writefriend to do something about my legion.

>>34484325
I think a lot of the legions consider their primarchs their "fathers" because they're made from their gene-seed. Dunno about actual fucking though. Could a woman take a demigod's dick?

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>>34484428
Happy birthday anon!

>>34484131
Usually, a homeworld is where you were found and raised, but the *recruiting* world or worlds could be elsewhere.

In my case, Arelex was found on Whitestone, but since I took a few pages from the Ultramarines' book, the War Scribes mostly recruit from a collection of worlds near the Galactic Core called the Atalantos Worlds. (Analogous to Ultramar, more or less).

>>34484325
That's getting into some gray areas that are almost guaranteed to draw trolls like flies to shit. Just don't bring Space Marines of any sort having kids into this. It's not going to be productive or end well, and it's not necessary for the story.

>>34484428
Happy Birthday brother!

I will hasten my writing of our two Primarchs fateful meeting, or do you mainly want war related stuff about your legion?

>>34484377
yeah Russ always seemed like the sort for that lol Although I'd imagine there may be some drunken furfaggery going on with him too..

I know one thing - if they can have sex, Guilliman would write a book on it, and be effective but rather boring.

>>34484382
yeah that kind of made sense, so i wondered if they did while they were still kids, I mean they matured faster than normal, but weren't yet fully grown...

Marines get chemically castrated through the process of becoming a marine though. So they can only into girls before they become marines. They get married to the emperor after that, and we all know he dont put out.

And I'm awake again.

Any other Primarchs wanna talk about Nikaea?

>>34484659
finish your primarchs backstory, fluff, etc first.
Then do your legions fluff and backstory/organisation/off duty character etc

then we can talk battles and relationships.

Otherwise this is all pointless circlejerking.
And while that is very /tg/, /tg/ gets shit done.
So go put on some of the music you posted with your fluffwriting from the last thread, and get writing comrade!

>>34484532
good point - i forgot where I was. Best leave that shit alone.

Sup guys, I'm back. Did I miss anything?

>>34484659
Did it even happen in this AU? Considering that we don't have a Magnus equivalent this time, chances are there was nobody drawing much attention to the use of psykers. Some legions used them, some didn't, and that's the end of it.

>>34484713
we do have a precog and the Voidwatcher I suppose.
While precog is useful, it would fit the Emprahs MO to be unhappy that there is someone who is stealing the limelight from him and his psyker abilities (is the Emps even precog?)

Just wanna point out how precog is SOOOOO Tzeentch. So its very plausible the Emprah is unhappy with it. Even if Tz and the gang haven't been discovered yet.
So Nikaea could happen.

But i refer back to >>34484703 again
Finish your legions and Primarchs backstories and other fluff first.

>>34484703
Already done, unless you want me to write up even more fluff.

>>34484713
It would still be a matter of great debate as Legions would incorporate more Librarians and more Pyskers would be picked up by the Imperium. Maybe it had less direct connection to the Legions and the Primarchs as a result, but I definitely see the Voidwatcher as having a good fucking reason for not wanting all Psykers banned by the Imperium.

>>34484829
There is nothing on the wiki entry for your primarch...
And only a small bunch of sentences for your legion...

I mean organisation, identity, off duty traditions and notable activities, battle cry, etc.. Also who is in charge/important after the death of the primarch.

>>34484829
>>34484713
Again I refer you to >>34484825

Darius is a fucking pre cog psyker.
They rely on psykers.

>>34484893
>>34484829
Good point. So instead of Magnus, we have Darius and Voidwatcher together.

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>>34484893
Oh, well then. Let me repost the chronicle of Alexandri from the last thread while updating that shit.

So I've been considering a second founding group that consist of a fleet based unit that operates to similar unit breakdown to the Raven Guard. They split into companies, each company does its own thing and is considered equal to all other companies in most respects. Rather than being infiltrators and shadow warfare specialists, they're psyker heavy privateers who use an excess of divination based powers to predict enemy action, then move to intercept before the enemy can make planetfall. They use few land vehicles, because they specialize almost exclusively on ship to ship combat, boarding actions, and lightning raids from nowhere thanks to their powers of augury and foresight. Lots of Mk3 armor, lots of close in firepower, but a heavy librarian presence and a sizable fleet.

Or, if it would work better, rather than being privateers that hunt raiders and pirates preying on the imperium, they could be pirates themselves spawned from a traitor legion, maybe the Black Augurs?

>>34484942
Cool and do your legion stuff too - people can start making successors once we actually have legions to pick from..

>>34484957
If you are talking pre-cognition/divination
Darius and Aubrey are the primarchs you will look up to.

But we kind of have a lot of precognition stuff now.

I mean, personally i find precognition a bit mary-sue when even Tzeentch himself, lord of magic, gets 2 possibilities, one true one false.
For some non-deity to *know* the future is a little much.
Although I think Darius's anon started saying that he sees a possible future not the exact one.


On a side note - is there any divination in the 40k universe on the Imperial side? What about the Emprah himself? Can the mightiest human psyker divinate?

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The Silver Cataphracts call upon the world distant, deadly world of Rosskar as their home. It is upon this dark, dreary place where the Primarch Alexandri forged his legacy of treachery and conquest.

To understand the Cataphracts and the Rosskans, one must first appreciate the world they live on. Rosskar. The sun of Rosskar is dim yet it is even closer to the world than Terra's own. A pale blue light bathes the world during the day, and a less bright night sky greets the inhabitants of Rosskar as a result of their sun's proximity. The foliage of world is a rabid xenos breed which grows tall, wide, and quickly. The rich nutrients found in Rosskar's soil make it perfect for agriculture but this potential is rarely utilized as a result of the weed-like growth of the never ending giant trees.

Worst yet the copious plant life has allowed a massive amount of herbivores to evolve on the world. Good for the Rosskans you think? Plenty of food? But such is the tragedy so common to Rosskar, where what one believes is good is simply wrong. The increase in herbivores led to an increase in carnivores. A genetic arms race began to see which species could adapt to be the most deadly. Both herbivores and carnivores on the planet are dangerous, swift creatures that attack and kill anything that is not of its own kind. Humans rarely survive a few hours wandering Rosskar's forests.

As is the case with so many Primarchs, Alexandri did not land in these dangerous forests. Left to tame the beasts to his will, and live as an animal child. Instead he landed to live among one of the wealthiest families on the planet. Long ago colonists saw Rosskar from above as utopia due to the plentiful foliage. Before the Dark Age a colonial wave the likes of which was rarely seen in those days rushed to the world before scientists could finish observing it properly. This is why Rosskar has so many inhabitants.

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>>34484957
>Or, if it would work better, rather than being privateers that hunt raiders and pirates preying on the imperium, they could be pirates themselves spawned from a traitor legion, maybe the Black Augurs?

I like that idea, you should defintely ask Voidwatcher about that.

Also, on a similar note, a thought just occurred to me. In the aftermath of the original Horus Heresy, a lot of the Traitor Legions fled to the Eye of Terror, where some broke into warbands, while others (mostly the Undivided ones, particularly the IW, WB, and BL) kept their shit together and actually ended up getting more shit done, in the sense of carrying on the Heresy's goal of breaking the Imperium and not just fighting for the thrill of it/'cuz their patron god told them to.

So,which of our Traitor legions will be the ones who are still carrying on the agenda of the Eternal War? The Children of Armok get shit done, of course, though what their endgame is, not even other traitors know. Do the Herald of Hektor and Eternal Zealots carry on the Long War, like their canon counterparts?

>>34485063
There is the Emperor's Tarot, which is disturbingly accurate most of the time. So I would assume the Big E could do it himself to some extent.

My legion and it's Primarch usually use it during the heat of battle as a relfex enhancing thing or they can take a long time starring off into space to determine multiple farther futures. I tried to give it a bunch of downsides for them though. You can check that out along with updated fluff on the wiki page.

>>34485106
you don't need to dump it here in the thread - you need to put it into your own legions section on the wiki. Just find your Legion/Primarch and click edit next to their title.

link supplied here: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_Heresy

>>34485063
If the Emperor really read that much of the future, I think he'd probably have handled the Heresy a little better. Unless of course you subscribe to the theory that the Heresy was somehow necessary.

Personally, I think that divination is possible for powerful psykers, but you leave yourself very vulnerable to false visions or possession, and it's severely frowned upon.

And yeah, divination/precog stuff is VERY much Tzeentchian, and would put any Primarch who uses it a lot at severe risk of falling to Tzeentch.

Side note, we do have more Loyalists than Traitors. Perhaps someone might fall to Tzeentch?

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>>34485106
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2YlbiyiuMc
Alexandri learned all sciences available to him from the relatively advanced Rosskan society. The Dark Age had not effected them in this way but again, this is not good. The technological base allowed a new aristocracy to arise among the colonials, who ruled them with an iron fist. People starved and froze to death while the aristocrats lived in luxury without any cares in the world. This is wrong, yes? Again you are somewhat wrong. Without the aristocracy arising from the chaos of the Dark Age, there would be no Rosskans! In the great panic that begat the fall of mankind's stellar empire on Rosskar, dozens of cities were lost to the forest. Due to the leadership and harsh tactics of the aristocrats, people were able to rally and survive!

Alexandri became aware of his origins from one of his siblings, upon his twentieth birthday. The knowledge was nothing new to him. He had known for a long time he was something else. But it awakened something in him to be, more. More than an aristocrat's son. The son of a God? No. But ruler of Rosskan? Most definitely. In secret Alexandri organized the many gangs among the poor, promising a new future while arming them with weaponry bought from his allowance. When the time was right, his coup went off without a hitch! If you excuse the wholesale butchering of the aristocracy without a hitch, but none of the guards of those houses died, or their cooks, or anyone else.

His family never forgave him for this act. He did not care. Pure ambition drove him now. The planet's aristocrats were purged by his bloody dream of conquest. The decades rolled on, and Alexandri's family started to age while he remained in a prime state of health. His armies were grinded down to a halt, since the remaining few cities had become so entrenched and fortified. A crisis took over Alexandri. He realized the family that did love him was dying around him, and he wouldn't even achieve his dreams.

>>34485146
I'm dumping it here to let people in the thread be able to read and comment on it WHILE I transport it over to the wiki at the same time.

>>34485151
the magic side of Tz anyway.
Otherwise the Children have it covered. Even have my primarch doing an Ahriman and going for the Black Library.

Actually, I think the Voidwatcher said his guys are a bit Tz now...

>>34483846
Who is fighting who here?

>>34484957
Cool idea but I do agree with Aubrey, too much precognition already. You can keep the psyker stuff and I'd be more than pleased for you to be my successor legion but definitely drop the stuff about seeing the future. Go check out my updated wiki fluff for the Black Augurs. I've decided they really have a focus on the arcane and it's research. Like pulling apart the warp and it's secrets to try to discern how to get the most power from it. Self serving wizards y'know? I could see a warband of them taking to pirating while searching for them.

>>34485322
By the by, you may wish to review some of the bits that I wrote about the Jovian & Saturnian campaigns in the wiki. I remember us talking about how the Black Augurs fought the Thunder Kings over there, but I want to make sure you're fine with what I wrote and everything. If you've got any complaints, comments, or criticism, please do feel free to voice it.

I doubt that Brennus would have directly faced off against the Voidwatcher, but he did fight Aubrey directly (if briefly) during the Saturnian campaign, so it's possible that a similar encounter could have taken place at some point between them.

>>34485282
It's like how Ahriman treats Tz. He uses him as a way to gain power and kinda half heartedly invokes him over the other gods, but mainly he's just casting his own psychic power and not borrowing it from Tz. Does that make sense?

>>34485197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEt41bYQBgE
The blood of thousands were on his hands. His war had exploded beyond his imagination, which was fairly limited if you only think of the bloodshed to come. The only people who had ever loved him, hated him and would soon be dead. He saught out the only help he could think of. A group who could solve all his problems. The Covens of Rosskan, a society of witches which had existed for centuries. Now, Rosskar's star is not just useless for giving light or warmth, but it also has breath moments where the fabric between worlds flickers. The Immaterium joins along the solar pulses to bathe the world in an odd energies. You didn't think creatures just evolve to be unnecessarily deadly, did you? Idiot!

Anyways you see these witches and warlocks had lived among the people for years until the aristocrats feared their growing popularity among the masses. They helped the people with ailments, they summoned aid from beyond, and divined the future. Those witches who couldn't control their power were put down by bands of citizens led by more sane, careful witches. The government decided to force all witches out, because directly opposing them would bring too much ill will. This arrangement only further worked in the witches's favor, as now the bad seeds wouldn't even effect the general populace with their failure or malice.

The Covens existed on the outskirts of civilization, skirting the edge of the dreaded forests. They were able to keep the beasts at bay with the aid of powers beyond Alexandri's comprehension. Little is known about what was said between Alexandri and the witches, but he returned not with mystical aid. Fool! Did you believe witches are just people with hookus-pockus powers and daemon summoning capabilities? They are wise beyond your knowledge! Wisdom is what Alexandri saught, and wisdom is what he received! The counsel they gave him was clear, "Do whatever it takes."

>>34485322
Fair dues. I'm still picking through the wiki, I've been out most of the day sadly.

So what is missing, then? I see a goodly number of inflitrators/spies, siege specialists and psyker heavy legions.

>>34485372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ9q7N5e25c
Rosskan sieges depended upon opening up a breech and sending a horde of infantry in before they could properly block up the hole. Where as before this was easy, now the cities had built walls behind one another with overlapping lines of fire from hardened bunkers. Essentially making old tactics impossible. Alexandri started to forge the masterful strategy in which one would not fight the enemy. His army would avoid fighting whenever possible. They would build defenses as well, but less obvious ones. Their snipers would pick off the defenders one by one without fear of reprisal since, the defenders never knew where it came from. His artillery focused on destroying the enemy's, and then their means to produce it, and then they would bombard everything but the defenses! They randomly shelled the inside of the towns blasting apart regular people to disrupt the entire war machine within the city.

A Rosskan city, you see is meant to be entirely self-sufficient. Which is why you can't starve it out. But Alexandri found a different way to siege than ever conceived before on Rosskar. He attacked the city itself. He wore down the defenders, while his army never suffered a major loss. Cities fell within months, either capitulating or from coups brought by the military because they couldn't take it anymore. Alexandri was pronounced Emperor of Rosskar. His rule brought about a massive wave of altruism and intellectualism. He saught to cull the forests and bring the beauty of science to the masses.

No matter what Rosskar will be a shithole. You can't beat the cold, you can't beat the monsters that lurk in the forests, and most of all, nothing you do will 'cull' the forests. You can only ever delay their advance. Decades of ruling Rosskar had brought crushing reality of actually governing to Alexandri. His grand ambitions were met with failure, after failure. He was able to do a little good, but few cared for a 'little'.

>>34485440
Someone like the White Scars I think. Also maybe a terror faction for the traitors like the Nightlords. Because I used to be kinda like that but now there's more a focus on the psyker part so that all fell to the wayside. There's probably a lot that needs at least one legion. We've got a lot of generalists too so none of those. We don't really have a cybernetics heavy legion but we also don't really NEED one at all.

>>34485521
How many Traitors are Siege specialist?

>>34485462
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPKH4GHiihg
Alexandri had awakened a fire in the hearts of all Rosskans!! He had brought the desire for change for the better! Peasants who thought nothing before now were angered at their Emperor for his inability to alter facts of life. Years passed where every day of Alexandri's life were plagued with assassins and attempts on his life. He fought all off these off, surviving poisonings and anything other fool-hearty attack they could launch at him. Then some brilliant, brilliant person decided, "What if we target his family instead!"

Alexandri had long ago reconciled with his surviving family members by begging for it. He humbled himself before them, just as the witches had told him to do. Whatever it took. No more excuses! No more justifications! Just ask and crawl to be accepted! And he was! A new generation within Alexandri's family was being raised up at the time, with tutelage and guidance from Uncle Alex. It is unfortunate that a car bomb at the Imperial Palace killed half of them. If I need to explained how the Ex-Emperor felt about that, you clearly are a fool who I have wasted my time with!

Alexandri forged a secret police who's true name isn't even known to his Legionnaries. It is said half of all conspiracies against the Rosskan government are actually entirely populated by his agents, just seeing if any idiots try to join. Life on Rosskan is heavily monitored and maintained by their diligent watch. If you aren't ambitious, things are pretty good for you though. No one freezes, and no one starves. If you are someone who can accept only ever being content, Rosskar is a utopia free from danger or worry. Alexandri may not be benevolent, but he is strong and just. That is all the Rosskar needs of him now.

>>34485440
yeah it seems that /tg/ has its favourites in that regard.

I don't wanna say more than that.
But put it this way - whatever you do add, no-one can really argue with you.


Besides, this is an all inclusive thing, not a circlejerk, so come in and add whatever your twisted mind can throw in to the thread...

>>34485521
I've been wondering, since people have been mentioning that Legions might need more specializations, if I should take the War Scribes in more of a specialized path.

As it stands right now, they're a balanced, tech-heavy Legion, who suffers in fluid, mobile fights and depends on superior weaponry to fill in the gaps in their tactical skills.

They're an odd Legion in that they're not craftsmen like the Salamanders, nor are they ROBOTMEN like the Iron Hands, but they're more like the guys who just sort of "intuit" how machinery works, so they're the best at coaxing archaeotech to safely activate without having a manual to use.

What could I add to that to flavor it up a bit, or is it a good flavor on its own?

Any thoughts from the current Primarchs online on how I've handled Alexandri? Any feedback or criticisms to give me? I'm all ears here, if there is something you don't like please tell me. Currently updating the wiki right now.

>>34485521
we have white scars - machinist legion and mastodontii for a chaos variant.

>>34485561
Bulwark are siege defensive specialists.
I think the Rams were offensive siegers.
I can't remember if anyone else is. But there was a lot of siegers.

from what i can remember we dont have an religious nuts, deep strikers, aerial supremacists/ Probably more than a couple more of styles left

>>34485561
Not many. I thought you were actually, what with your passion for smashing.

>>34485354
It all looks good. Blowing up the foundry is a nice touch and definitely something the Augurs would do. I don't think we should ever meet in the field. Maybe we almost do at the very end but it's cut short by the explosion or the Voidwatcher summons a demon to distract you.

I'd rather not have this becoming Primarch fight club or anything, very few of them fought each other in the lore.

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Bumping with Inferox, I don't know if he is middle eastern enough

>>34485672
Yeah I am, that's why I'm asking.

>>34485680
Shit me backwards, the drawfriend lives.

Nicely done dude, I'm sure he'll like your work.

>>34485680
oh god this is awesome.

Could you do Alexandri next?

>Regal best describes the towering progenitor of the Silver Cataphracts. A huge, flowing brown beard that goes down the front of Alexandri's power armour is a common sight to be seen even when he is on the battlefield. Having spent most of his formative years in regular clothing, Alexandri prefers when not on the Crusade to be wearing something other than his power armor. Despite commonly holding a smile and good humor on his face, Alexandri appears to have weathered the years less than handily when compared to his brothers. Dark circles have burrowed in deep into his eye sockets and many lines have formed on his face. Even specks of grey and white have touched his beard. All this only adds to his appearance as the iron-fisted ruler of Rosskar.

>>34483744
I'm working on building my legion's homeworld. Doing to technical stuff at the moment, and going to flesh out the society in a few.

>>34485662
is it just the stuff you have posted to the thread?
In which case check the wiki entry and make sure you have something for each of those headings, and try to keep writefag story stuff out - but save it somewhere on your PC, cos there is a writefaggotry section.

>>34485625
well, looking through your primarch bio on the wiki, he is using 4 bolters and hl2 gravity gun...
That seems abit much even by primarch standards.
Like im sure they *could* somehow handwavium a way to make it work, theyre fucking primarchs ffs, but it reads like a 12yo fantasy.

I wanna write mine up properly first, but after that i'll go back and read your legion stuff too.

that anon did raise a good point too- about the archaeotech, the AdMech would get crazy pissed about you, and throw a hissy fit and force other primarchs/emprah himself to do something to get the rest of the imperiums lovely tech shit back...

but I don't care - theyre just observations.


>>34485680
motherfucking og right there.
Who is next in the line? can i hop on to the list - will post up a description im working on now if i know when i'm in the list.

>>34485662
You need to put your work on the 1d4chan page, so we can see it all in one place if you want a proper review.

There's LOTS of gaps there at the moment, so it's hard to know who's done what and what still needs to be done.

We don't even have all the homeworlds, for example. And you haven't put your Primarch's name down on the main chart for which Primarch belongs to which Legion.

>>34485680
Dude that is the tits. I'd also like mine done and it is my birthday...

>>34485625
I think your legion would be good like that. Lots of techmarines and maybe some of the less ROBOMARINES stuff that the Iron hands have. Mechadendrites or whatever and lots of servitors/turrets. I thnk it's a good angle to spin them in and having them able to just kinda intuit machines would be cool.

>>34485821
Well, being the techy legion he could have loads of mecharms on his back or coming off him somewhere. Look at the sculpt of Ferrus Manus from forgeworld to see what I mean. And I don't think he's mentioned anywhere that he uses a melee weapon so he can hold another there.

>>34485933
>>34485680
>>34485765
Yeah forget mine, it is Voidwatcher's birthday. Do his character next.

>>34485521
An idea then.

The Hammers of Brennus were formed in the early days after the Heresy from survivors of the loyalists that fled annihilation from the traitor tribes. They were added to the roster of one of the tribes decimated in the fighting late in the Heresy to bolster their numbers, the chapter now forms a vengeful, vindictive offshoot of the more temperate parent legion.
The Hammers of Brennus hold an eagerness to exact a toll of blood and violence on those who turned from the Emperor's light, and hold incredibly strong ties of brotherhood within their own ranks as survivors and warriors, which extends to the rest of the Thunder Kings and their child chapters.
Among the Thunder Kings, it is the Hammers that are first to fight. They respond swiftly to calls for aid (especially from forces facing the Archenemy) and deploy using an extensive number of drop pods form a sudden, explosive presence on the battlefield. From the bitter close combat of planetfall a landing zone is swiftly secured for the rest of the chapter's forces to deploy, allowing a multitude of heavier supplies to be ferried into the hot combat zone under extensive gunship protection.
This vanguard force swiftly shifts from a defensive posture to an offensive one once the beachhead is secured. As reinforcements arrive, the chapter turns to a highly aggressive force focused on harrying the enemy and ensuring superiority of mobility by assaulting air and rapid attack assets. This in turn frees gunships from convoy detail, allowing for even greater reach. Ultimately, the Hammers turn the crucible of deep strikes and rapid assault into an art, one which marks the bane of slower, more cumbersome foes. Given their close ties to their imperial allies, it is safe to assume that when Brennus' hammers make landfall, relief is soon assured.

>>34485821
Well, when I say heavy bolters I mean exactly that. Canon primarchs have demon weapons and master crafted everything, as well as other, crazier items. They're loaded with gear from top to bottom.

Arelex has 4 compact heavy bolters. Other than being compact, they're no different than good quality versions of things you would see Astartes carrying in the 40th Millennium, and he depends on having specialty ammunition to really kill shit.

The gravity gun prevents carrying any of the bolters, it's far too heavy. It's only for when Arelex needs to kill vehicles.

And regarding the archaeotech, there's a truce between the Scribes and the Admech, bought by Arelex letting himself be killed in order to seal the compact.

During the Crusade, the Admech couldn't strike at a Primarch directly, but mostly ignored the War Scribes because they had their own agendas to worry about.

After the Emperor was wounded, things came to a head when Arelex had to set up the various Adeptus Terra and the High Lords. At that time, he acted to make sure the political power remained on Terra, not Mars, and created the balance that remains to the modern 40k era.

And then the Admech decided that although they'd have to act in secret (because they didn't want to go to war with the entire Imperium since the High Lords supported Arelex so strongly), they would go ahead and prevent the War Scribes from sharing their tech.

So the tl;dr is that originally, Arelex wanted to break the Mechanicus' stranglehold on tech, but failed, and he sacrificed himself to convince the Mechanicus to call a truce, allowing the War Scribes and their successors to continue relic-hunting and relic-using, but in exchange they agreed to never work against the Mechanicus.

Does that make things more clear?

>>34485680
Incoming writefaggotry for the feud between the Sons of Fire and the Gorgers.

>>34486006
That works for me. Brennus would have abandoned the idea of the tribes immediately after the Heresy began, keeping them around only for the duration o the war as to maintain some semblance of organizational structure among the Legion. Naturally, after the Heresy, the Thunder Kings would have been split up into chapters--and I can definitely see the Hammers as being one of the potential ones.

I imagine they'd retain close ties with the Thunder Kings and its plethora other successors, and likely serve alongside them in several fronts. The Thunder Kings at the very least make an effort to keep their bonds strong.

>>34486006
I like it a lot. We needed a deepstriking fast attack legion after I opted out of that roll. I've not got the best handle on what all the legions do so I'm probably not the best to ask about this stuff. I'd direct your comments towards one of the more knowledgeable anons.

I do really like your idea though. I like their huge anger and need to get directly into a fight to spill traitor blood as vengeance.

>>34486005
Now I just need to figure out what he looks like. Crap. I'm so shit at describing faces.

>>34486114
What big thing I envision is them being first into the fray to secure a landing, so other chapters can roll in once the ground is secure to reinforce and turn a beachhead into a fully realized front in whatever war is happening. So to that end, they would work very closely with their parent chapter.

>>34485933
>>34486007


Yeah i get that, just 4 of them is a tad much.
2 I can see, 4 heavy bolters. I mean shit you only see twin linked heavy bolters on big tanks like the Baneblade and the Land Raider.

I know Arelex is meant to be shooty, i get that, but 2 is reasonable, 4 is a bit far.

and maybe drop the grav gun - its not 40k even though its a lot of fun in hl2 et al.

You have special ammo - i dont see why you need 4 of them...

And as for the AdMech you forget they might not come after you during the crusade directly, but they maintain EVERY OTHER IMPERIAL MACHINE - they would throw a hissy fit until shit was the way they like it, meaning your legion ''obeys'' (you can always pursue in secret etc) or every other member of the crusade loses out..
Its a no brainer.

I think the trying to break the stranglehold on tech is a *great* story to run with. And an interesting thing to do in our AU HHeresy.
I'm just trying to ground our fluff a bit - cos right now its all over the place.

>>34485933
Ok what does the Voidwatcher's face look like?
And happy birthday

>>34486338
>His skin is deathly pallid and criss-crossed with dark veins and arcane tattoos/brands. His face was gaunt with an aquiline nose and deep set eyes. A wry mocking smile could often be seen upon his thin pale lips. Apart from his tattoos and veins his skin was flawless and not beset by any lines or scars. His most distinguishing feature however are his pure black eyes. Though they remain inert orbs most of the time they react to the use of the Voidwatcher's psychic abilities. When he is having visions of the future in any scenario they flicker with illumination, like glowing nebulas and the night sky. The colours and twisting patterns reflect the content of his visions. When in combat they glow with a fierce, ethereal white flame that shimmers with hues of purple and blue

For some reason I also had the picture of an engineer from prometheus in my head, but thinner and tattooed obviously.

>>34486405
tattooed, so face tattoos, do they have a pattern/drawing or they are just like tribal tattoos?

>>34484659
Nikaea sounds like a pretty sweet place for communal fluff, yes.

So looking at this, are all of the primarchs spoken for? Or have some of them dropped from the project?

Right, updated the wiki. Can people NOW please tell me what they think?

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>>34486461
Think common esoteric symbols. You can just look up "esoteric symbols" in google images and get a bunch of stuff I mean. All seeing eyes and wings would be good stuff to include too. And if you want you can scribble out some little writings like the image I attached which is actually Linear A. You could also check out etruscan or nordic runes for similar stuff.

>>34486614
And finally where in his face are this tattoos located or does he have full face tattoos?

>>34486688
Full face tattoos. Some would probably have special places like a third eye above his regular ones or the eye of horus type thing over his own eye but other than just tattoos everywhere.

>>34486568
Worry not, I live.

Then again, I don't think anyone was worried anyway.

>>34486296

Sure, I can get rid of the gravity gun. That said, there's lots of gravity guns in 40k, it's not a HL2 reference.

I'm keeping the quad bolters, since they're not "better" than 40k heavy bolters, just a little smaller. A dakka focused Primarch fits with his Legion not being very skilled at the chaos of close combat.

>wirbelwind coolest tank all tanks

For the Admech, they didn't go after Arelex *during* the Heresy, because they needed time to plan exactly how they'd get rid of him, and they couldn't risk the Emperor catching wise that they wanted to betray one of His sons.

Instead, they bided their time, made sure they had everything they'd need, and almost totally wiped the War Scribes out.

Only the death of a Primarch, the Primarch who put the High Lords in office and had their total support, could even *barely* turn the blow aside enough that the Admech agreed to a truce with the War Scribes and their Successors, allowing the Scribes/Successors to keep and use the relics they recovered, on condition that they never share anything outside of the Atalantos Worlds, and never attempt to attack the Mechanicus' influence on the rest of the Imperium.

They gave up on their Primarch's most cherished ideal, the free sharing of tech for the advancement of Mankind. Even though Arelex gave the command, it's like if Magnus commanded his Legion to actually give up sorcery entirely.

The entire Legion saw their Primarch forced to recant, essentially, and go to the pyre of their dying homeworld in order to save his children.

I'm just saying, you're acting like the War Scribes won, but they emphatically did not. All they got was a token consolation prize, if that.


Does that tell you better what story sensation i'm trying to convey here?

>>34486688
Maybe a few little abstract lines and symbols here and there to pull it together and fill it out.

Sorry if I'm really busting your chops here anon. I never intended for the character to have to be drawn by someone. Thanks for the attention to detail though and it's awesome to actually see him outside of my minds eye.

>>34486762
No worry I have fun doing these plus its good practice and your concept sounds really cool so it's a fun challenge

>>34486756
I don't think 4 bolters is really that much of a stretch. Terminators hold a heavy bolter in one hand. A primarch could hold a twinlinked heavy bolter similarily and so could have one in each hand right?

>>34483744
>http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_Heresy
Forgive me for being slow, but what is this all about?

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Huh...

Yeah this paint scheme looks bland as fuck, but maybe that fits the Cataphracts.

>>34486821
I would assume so. Just because there's a lot of bullets doesn't mean that my Primarch is some sort of omnipotent force on the field.

I mean, in my mind, a Primarch can get away with some crazy-ass shit in terms of weapons, so I don't see what the problem with extra guns would be.

They are supposed to be *primarchs* after all. Not the most balanced of creatures.

>>34486855
Silver and grey isn't bad. What if you threw on just a touch of gold on there somewhere, just like one or two pieces of trim, to add some spice?

>>34486833
We're making a 40K AU. Different Primarchs, different Heresy, everything.

>>34486923
Interesting, how does one become involved? Since your Legions already exist.

>>34486833
A couple days ago, some random anons, myself included, participated in one of those threads where you're supposed to describe yourself as a Primarch.

It's just in this case, people took it a little father than usual, and just for the hell of it we're writing our own little alternate universe Imperium.

It's a fun little way to waste a few hours, basically. None of it need be taken seriously, and none of it need rustle any jimmies, it's essentially creative writing practice.

>>34486756
just to be clear - im not attacking you here.

My problem isnt that you have heavy bolters, its that you have 4. Tanks don't even have 4.
You're the shooty guy thats fine - by why need more than 2 anyway - itd only waste ammo unless they also fire independently at different targets at once.
Which I'm sure you didn't mean - your primarch is a smart guy, he'd realise 4 is a waste.

And you miss my point, and the troll anon from the last thread - The AdMech runs ALL tech.
You pop up as a challenge during the Great Crusade.
But they for somereason don't do shit until after the emperor is on lifesupport.

They would just stop fixing/building everyone elses tech to punish everyone else for letting you get away with tthat.

I LIKE that you are challenging their monopoly on the tech game.
But be logical about it.
A galaxy wide very powerful organisation, BEFORE you have your powerful friends in the Council of Terra, just lets you become a threat to their very purpose?
It wouldn't happen man.

I'm not saying drop the tech stuff.
Just make it make sense.

i'm not being unreasonable or throwing toys out the pram here - i'm just trying to make shit make sense - otherwise this whole thing is just a snowflake circlejerk - I mean shit to get anyone to have their primarch die was hard enough...

>>34486821
Terminators don't have heavy bolters?
I'm not saying its not impossible to do - they ARE primarchs afterall.
But 4 seems unnecessary.
You can only shoot at one target at a time.
Hes already using specialised magicfluff ammo - he doesnt need the other 2 to hurt his targets they should be dead from the first 2 - plus dont forget these are automatic...
Its not like he cant fire bursts from 2 if its that hard to kill..


Do you seriously see me as being unreasonable here?
I mean shit, other anons are gonna read this - its why we're doing it right?

>>34487027
Mental uplink interfaces are described in 40k fluff all the time, and they're specifically for firing against multiple targets.

And it seems logical to me that an organization of technological wizards would wait till the Emperor, the one force who might even *begin* to defeat them, was basically dead before making their move.

After all, *during* the Crusade, the War Scribes shared their tech with the Admech as much as anyone else, so the Admech benefitted from it, since now they essentially had a Primarch hunting archaeotech FOR them. He could go where even they couldn't, and he, being a Primarch, could intuit technology that they couldn't. In the beginning, it looked like a good partnership.

But 40k being 40k, every good thing goes sour after a while.

It was only when they saw that Arelex wanted to *completely* break their stranglehold (after setting up the High Lords and not letting the Mechanicus rule the Imperium from Mars), that they saw they'd have to remove him.

And then they did.

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>>34487027
You're right. Termies carry autocannons with one hand. I don't really see much of a difference.

If the DA can get away with being closet heretics then I'm sure he can get away just being a ramped up version of the Iron Hands. After he sacrifices his Primarch they could become very close with the Admech.

Also Personally if I was trying to have a shooty primarch I'd have him use one of hose twinlinked autocannons form a contempetor dreadnaught. Because those are awesome.

Speaking of which, they can double fist those sons of bitches so why can't a Primarch?

Also Sorry to make you feel like you're the bad guy, differences of opinion happen but I support Arelex here.

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>>34485680
Primarch Kleisthenes kinda looks like Michelangelo's "David."

If you're adding color, Kleisthenes has light-brown hair, somewhat tan skin, and deep-set grey eyes.

His armor is polished bronze with gold trim. He carries a hand-and-a-half sword made in the same color scheme, with a the hilt in the design of an eagle.

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How about this?

Internal logic is to draw attention to the chest so people will shoot at the most armored spot.

>>34487027
Oh, I forgot to mention.

Just because he has a lot of different ammo types doesnt mean they're little Vortex Grenades or OP biotoxins or whatever.

I'm essentially saying that any bullet a regular Marine would reasonably have in 40k, Arelex would have as well. Things like Hellfire Rounds and Kraken Rounds, not "MAGIC BOOLET, LOL".

Does that make more sense to you now?

I appreciate your review, but I think you're misinterpreting things. The Admech of 30k was also a lot different than the Admech of 40k, in terms of rabid "NO ONE ELSE MUST HAVE ANY TECH". They originally loved that the Crusade gave them new toys to play with.

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>>34487218
Alternative design.

So, out of the three, which one looks the best?

>>34486952
Well, do what I did to start; start bouncing ideas for 2nd founding chapters or splinter warbands from the traitors. Once I'm done grabbing food I'm gonna try and expand on the Hammers of Brennus a bit and potentially cook up some others while I'm at it.

>>34487246
I like gold eagle, no red skull the best.

>>34487288
Shouldn't we really figure out the Heresy first before moving onto the Second Founding?

I mean alot of the Primarchs barely have any fluff at all and we're moving onto the Second Founding?

>>34487218
The first one to me. You want some color even if it is just a bluer grey then the rest. Really I think you should throw some blue around. Blue and light silvers look good together.

Would anyone mind if I made a Captain for a Legion. Or just a Captain and then we see where he'd best fit?

>>34487311
I understand some people would like to contribute but there's no longer any room for new legions so it's the only option. Maybe they could ask to fill in any existing factions fluff or add new battle/event fluff? Obviously with consent from all present parties during the event.

We're trying to be as inclusive as possible with this whole deal. Because it is the /tg/ Heresy, not the A Bunch of Anons Heresy.

Except absolutely no trolls or bait. No one even acknowledge either of those things.

>>34487336
That would be fine I suppose. Find a legion you'd like to put him in and see what that legions creator thinks of it. I think that's the best course of action.

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>>34487318
How about this?
Light blueish gray with white and grey.

>>34487311
Nah, if people want to jump in, I say let them, as long as they're willing to read what others have written.

I would recommend, for any of those anons who might be reading, that you choose a Legion that has most of its fluff laid out already, so you don't have to undo your work if your parent Legion's fluff changes.

>>34487446
That's not bad.

>>34487311
Well, the big reason I went with that was both A: the thread name was suggesting second founding stuff was happening, and B: like >>34487373 said the legions have been formed, so it's not like we'd be cooking up other primarchs. That said, the 2nd founding stuff could very well be directly ported to companies and captains of the heresy age, so I'll turn in that direction I suppose. Whatever is useful, really.

>>34487373
>>34487459
>>34487496
Fair enough, I was just confused.

We really should get a consensus and some writefaggotry on the major events of the heresy so everyone, new and old to the project, have a template they know to work with.

Also, I'd really like to know what everyone thinks of Alexandri and the Silver Cataphracts fluff so I know if I need to change or remove anything before going onward.

>>34487446
I like it.

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>>34487311
THIS<

>>34487220
It makes sense to me, but we're kind of giving ourselves leeway as friendly co-authors on this.
I'm reviewing from the point of view of any 40k loving anon.

A lot of what GW does with the 40k property, or what the BL does, is derided for being mary sue/badly written and ignoring fluff.
They will either love your primarchs dakka. Or hate him.
If he had an actual model - i'm sure he would be very popular.

You have moved really far away from your war scribe name now though - scribes is writing and knowledge, but you seem to have abandoned that? i may be wrong ive been on sporadically, but your motivated by archaeotech now. No more collating/analysing data others ignore to get your edge.

You're now a super smart, super strong (to carry heavy bolters in one hand), tech obsessed dr octopus of dakka lol I like it, it's entertaining even if its over the top, but other anons will probably laugh.

>>34487180
I do feel like an asshole - and i'm just trying to give our canon some grounding - we really really really don't have much as it is.
GW legions have fluff, but none of it is this unique really - you can sum them up (maybe a bit crudely) in a sentence or 3 maximum.

Having close ties with the AdMech after wouldnt make sense though - do the AdMech seem reasonable to you? Of course not.
They would rub it in their beaten foes faces.

>>34487446
I approve!

>>34487524
As the new guy coming in, this sounds like a good idea. It'll help give direction to the new hands, and generally knit the whole thing together.

So, now comes the question that's been really nagging at me: would Isstvaan have even been a thing considering the change in who's who? Wouldn't it be very possible that events would work in a different form, like what someone earlier was saying about Nikea?

>>34487563
I understand your standpoint but I don't think the bolter are too much of a stretch. The Admech thing is kinda weird and you're right that they would just push them all the way out. I guess then they'd have to focus on gaining their own tech and maintaining it themselves, which fits in and fits their wanting to collect archeotech and whatnot.

I do agree with the moving away from the name but we also need a techy legion. Maybe move away from the archeotech so much and focus on scrbing and studying while they have with a secondary focus on archeo-collecting?

>>34487563
Well, it's been a more natural trend because people have been asking me about non "scribe type things", so lately, I've been talking about those aspects more.

Digging up lore is implied to be underlaying everything the Scribes do, after all, they can't find tech if they haven't cracked a book to get a clue as to where it is.

Tech is the obvious, visible, external reward of subtle, laborious, behind the scenes labor in archives, if that makes any sense.

(also, the one handed heavy bolter thing comes from both being somewhat simian in appearance with large arms and shoulders, in proportion to the rest of his more normal body, so the arms are stronger than other Primarch's would be, and because the heavy bolter patten itself is a lightweight, more compact design.)

>>34486405
>>34487700
Shit I forgot what hairstyle does he have?

>>34487733
Completely bald. His head is tattooed as well. You can find his description on the wiki if you need it.

>>34487784
So he's like Lorgar, all tattooed up, but with LOLWARP eyes that flicker different colors?

Warp colors are fine and all, since your Primarch *did* fall to Chaos, just be careful that you don't fall into the most classic Mary Sue trap, having extremely unusual eyes or eye colors.

So I'm looking through, good stuff so far. Looks like I might try for the Heralds of Hektor or the Black Augurs, maybe a splinter Warband.

So far my basic thinking was Captain Varkarian ran a company that was made up of units similar to the Reaver Squads of the Sons of Horus.

The Captain expects his squads to be able to fight just as good in Melee as they do at range and vice versa. All squads having the option to take Jump Packs for the tactical flexibility they offer.

The Company would be able to best work as the Spear Point in an assault, Flankers or Hit and Run.

Just what I have come up with for brain storming in the past few minutes.

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Crusade Era Silver Cataphracts Legionnaire.

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>>34487933
Post-Heresy Silver Cataphracts Chapter Space Marine.

The robes are shed, and extra equipment is added to the belt. The latest power armor available is adopted, and extraneous power-pack is discarded in favor a less powerful, smaller profile one developed on Rosskar.

>>34487842
Well, his name is "the Voidwatcher" so I thought it was fitting. I'm just trying to make an interesting character without it being too Mary Sue like. But the thing is most of the Primarchs are kinda Mary Sue's so I don't see too much of an issue.

I didn't remember Lorgar had tattoos...

But I suppose it is like him. To be honest I kinda wanted him to look like something Hellboy would fight. Really esoteric and cultist-y.

>>34487931
He could be the Vate (captain) of the group within the Black Augurs known as the Haruspex. they draw their visions from carnage of battle and the spatters their opponents blood and gore makes. Lots of jump packs to get in close and vicious close combat weapons like chainswords to spill as much blood as possible.

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So, anyone want to get to discussing the Council of Nikaea, and if it went any differently from the established fluff in the default setting?

Also, it seems the Pro-Psykers are:

Voidwatcher
Darius
Alexandri

Anti-Psykers are:

Lumey


Anyone else to add to either side, or just the neutral party? Also it seems Lumey spoke out at first to speak reason against the philosophy of sorcery, but then lost himself in his hate for Voidwatcher, according to Lumey's creator from the last thread. I was thinking Alexandri reveals his Legion has an above average amount of Librarians, and actually has been keeping a large amount of witches this whole time, and his Legion is perfectly normal! (I don't this is true, but this is how Alexandri presents it.)

>>34488189
Well, Nikaea happened because a big stink was being made about psykers by some of the primarchs. Who this time round is going to be so vocal a detractor?

>>34488125
Would you be terribly opposed to Varkarian being corrupted by Malice?

>>34488189
Tiran will speak in favor of Psykers, if only because it's better to have them on your side than to turn them against you by ostracizing them.

>>34488189

Arelex would be *very* anti-psyker, almost (but not quite) to the point of demanding that the Imperium not even use Astropaths and such. He knows that the Imperium needs psykers, but inside, he's praying that the Emperor finds a way to make them unneeded.

This is because the idea of the unpredictable, nonsensical Warp really deeply unnerves Arelex, who prefers a logical, orderly world whenever possible.

I guess he'd fill in for the Mortarion type role, sort of, since the issue of psykers is one of the few that he feels strongly enough about to really pay attention to, and get him to ignore his research.

Writefaggotry inbound.

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The Ullanor Triumph - Inferox/Nathanog Perspective

As the legions of men and machines marched during the Triumph of Ullanor, beings of divine descents, brothers of superhuman power and strength where for first time fully reunited, free to learn more about their siblings.

Far from the eyes of the countless soldiers marching, at the balcony, were two of the brothers who would not show the animosity toward each other, but who would still eye each other in bouts of defiance and obvious contempt.

Inferox, the Burning King, Primarch of the Sons of Fire, and Nathanog, the Endless Mouth Primarchs of the Gorgers.

The Burning King and his legion burned to crisps hundreds of thousands of Orks and melted countless of the Orks’ armored vehicules in what could only be a described as a nightmare of flames and pyrotechnics. Flamers and Meltas scoured the battlefield, breaking the Orks where their cunning could have been the difference between victory and annihilation.
If the lives of millions had been preserved the King in his royal arrogance knew it was thanks to the Sons of Fire.

>>34488285
Meanwhile, the Endless Mouth and his legion stormed the frontline way ahead of any Imperial formation and drew the first blood on many of the battles of the Ullanor Crusade. They were the vanguard that opposed the Orks with a sea of adamantium and savagery. Fangs and Obsidian Chainswords, stopping the Orks where their strength could have been the difference between victory and carnage.
The Mouth did not care for the lives he saved from the ruthless melees with the Orks, but he wanted the ferocity his Legion harnessed to deal with the Orks to be recognized.

Each one was wanting for something that the other also wanted. That which would commend those who had to go toe-to-toe with the Orks. The spoils of victory could go to Hector for all they cared, but their valor in combat had to be recognized. They both suffered immense casualties from playing their role on the battlefield, way more than the other Legions, and yet no mentions was made of it. The other Primarchs were there, each too absorbed with what THEY helped them claim.

The Mouth advanced toward the King, his eyes never losing sight of his.

"My legion rid this planet of more Orks beasts than your fireworks could have ever burned.", Nathanog spout.

"Fire cleanses all that is evil, whether it be flesh or steel. Your fangs would have done nothing against the simplest Looted Tank.", the King responded, a slight growl accompanying his taunt.

>>34488314
As if he was able to see the tension between the two, Hector suddenly appeared between them, smiling as usual.

"Now, brothers, today is not a day for anger, especially not when our Father has graced this world with His presence.", Hector said, posing his hands on Nathanog and Inferox's shoulders. "If anything each of you should admire the work the Legion of the other accomplished, the prowess of both your Legions when it came to dealing with the Orks up close had been noticed by all your brothers."

Hector gave the two Primarchs what they wanted, recognition for their deeds. His natural leadership always at work, Hector knew what his brothers wanted to hear. But now was also the perfect moment to tell them what they didn't want to hear.

"But never forget that, ultimately, it was the unifying strength of all of the Emperor's forces that led to this Triumph. You both kept the hordes of Orks away from our firing lines, but do not underestimate how much our deluges of bolts, lasers, and plasma contributed to this glory we are all sharing today, us as brothers, humanity as a whole."

"And if I am to lead that unified force with the blessing of our Father, I will make sure to that this glory shall ever be your reward for each of your sacrifices."

captcha: 420

>>34488245
I was thinking that the whole Order of the Haruspices would be Khorne related. There would be equivalent groups for the the other two gods. Ones who augur the future from disgusting bile and the patterns of sickness for Nurgle and ones that gain it from drug use and torture of other beings for Slaanesh. Kinda have chaos undivided and Tzeentch the patrons of the rest of the Legion and warbands.

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>>34488189
Well the Children would side with the prevailing opinion to maintain political capital, but are inclined to be Anti-Psyker.

>>34488240
this is kind of the problem with our AU - we have no equivalents of some of the pivotal legions.
And everyone is being rational/informed by modern practices - we dont have anyone using tactics that would be out of date today really.
And no-one is religious nuts. And no-one is anti-psyker.
Making events like Nikaea work the opposite of how their meant to go.
Even thouh the Emperor would have a problem with Divination through Psyker shit - he has to do it with tarot so...


>>34488245
do you mean Malal?
I love malal. But if anyone is openly malal, they'd have to be renegade and out of the eye of terror - cos they'd be hunted by other Chaos legions because malal is the antithesis to the other chaos gods, inlcuding undivided, on top of the usual loyalist problems.

>>34488344

The King and the Mouth stood there for a second, pondering the words of Hector. Certainly they had some deep meanings in them, for Hector rarely spoke lightly. Maybe he was going to be assigned by the Emperor to a position of further leadership? Possible.
The role of the Wolves of Dawn in the battles of Ullanor had been more than decisive after all... Certainly the help of The Sons of Fire and the Gorgers helped the Wolves win those battles, but ultimately the Wolves did the job, if not for them the sacrifices of the Mouth and the King would have been for naught.

They understood. The two brothers no longer had hate and contempt in their hearts. A sense of unity filled it now, certainly they would always be rivals for the role they both fulfill on the battlefield, but their efforts whether one would best the other would always be in the interest of a greater cause, a cause Hector could lead with more than all his will, they could fell.

The passage of their Legion in the Triumph would come soon enough and they would be able to revel in the grand honor the Ullanor Crusade brought upon all of them.

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Now I'd like to propose a little exercise to all the Primarchs and anons out there.

- Define the role of your Legion during the Ullanor
- Define the discussions your Primarch would have with the othera.

This will help do 2 things:
1) Better shape the personalities of the Primarchs.
2) Better shape your Legion's combat capabilities.

>>34488367
That could work. Though as a Legion as heavily ingrained as this one is with Psykers wouldn't Khorne be a bad idea? Unless the Haruspices use blood magic rather than regular Psychic powers.

>>34488426
>>34488245
Well, Malal is of very questionable canonicity, but yeah, as long as you can properly write a psychotic, self destructive Chaos warband, that seems ok to me.

>>34488426
Well, that's not strictly true.

See: >>34488282 about the anti-psyker stuff.

Usually the Thousand sons are my favorite Legion, so I thought I'd take the hard road and play against my natural tendencies. Hopefully it'll make things more interesting to write for a strongly anti-psyker Legion.

>>34488439
Read the OP.
We need to finish our fucking primarchs and legions before we go into who did what where - at the moment over half of the wiki page is empty and people are talking about the battles they take part in.

get that shit done and dusted before we start the 'the x were at x war' or 'x likes y but not z'

The personalities should be shaping events - not the other way around.

>>34488468
GW changed Malal to Malice because Malals original writer quit/got fired and owned the IP to him. They couldnt use him without permission, so they changed a few letters and quietened down about him, but otherwise yeah Malice IS Malal

>>34488515
>>34488439
Yeah, I think Uriel's right about this. I love your writing prompt, Nathanog, but it's hard to write about relationships between people who more or less don't exist, at this time.

We absolutely need, more than anything else, to get 100% of the Legions fluffed out at the basic level on the 1d4chan page, where everyone can read what they need to read, and only THEN can we begin drawing connections.

It's the cart before the horse, otherwise.

>>34488426
>>34488468

Well Malal is swapped on and off with Malice these days. But yeah, I was thinking the Company would become more a Renegade Unit, retaining its Company structure for the most part.

Occasionally working for the other Legions when it suits them, a vision in blood if they were Haruspex.

They would of course be self hating, particularly those elevated by Malal to a state of demonhood. But hey, everyone loves hypocrisy.

>>34488240
>>34488246
>>34488282
>>34488426
Alright, so the current roster goes like this:

Pro-Psyker Party:
Alexandri, Primarch of the Silver Cataphracts.
Darius Cyaxares, Primarch of the Sand Keepers.
Tiran, Primarch of the Scale Bearers.
Voidwatcher, Primarch of the Black Augurs.

On The Fence Party:
Uriel Starikov, Primarch of the Children of Armok.

Anti-Psyker Party:
Arelex Orannis, Primarch of the War Scribes.
Gaspard Lumey, Primarch of The Void Angels.

>>34488560
So no discussion about Nikaea then?

>>34488515
Oh I totally agree about the whole fleshing the Primarchs.

I was the one who first made the suggestion to fucking do that in the first place.

But now, this exercise would help do that.
Combat Doctrines/Roles on the Battlefield are something that need to be brainstormed together.

You have a point for relationships, but still PERSONALITIES, those also would ask for brainstorming.

But hey, nobody ahs to do it, it was a proposition.

The Triumph of Ullanor is where a lot of Primarchs were all together, this is the perfect ground to build the relationships of our Primarchs.

>>34488512
Im not sure what exactly that achieves dude - i get he is anti psyker
but is he voting at nikaea to ban psykers or not?

if he isn't that is my point - everyone's primarch is armed with the knowledge and understanding that they wouldn't have. Leaving us with no-one actually opposing Psykers cos we all see with hindsight, that banning them is bad for our health.

>>34488587
Lining up who does and does not support psykers is fine. That can be quickly and easily added into a small table with its own header, so we can reference it later.

The *detailed* fluffing I think needs to wait till the basics are laid out for everyone.

>>34488621
Alright. Should we wait for the original creators of Primarchs and Legions to step forward to do the fluffing, or should we tackle this ourselves to move things along?

>>34488587
Obviously Against.

Those meddling sorcerers can go get eaten.

>>34488610
Yes, Arelex 100% opposes psykers to the maximum degree that it is possible for the Imperium to survive without them.

He is absolutely against anything having to do with the Warp. (partly because it freaks him the hell out, partly because the Emperor said not to use it)

>>34488456
Blood magic. And they'd still have their naturally ingrained psyker powers. So really they spill blood for Khorne but still scheme and predict for Tzeentch. Chaos undivided worships all of the gods, not none of them. Though plenty most of the Legion is still not really cultists but more warlocks. Deals and pacts but no worship.

>>34488647
As far as that goes, I'm not totally sure. It's going to have to be more of a group consensus.

Ideally, we'd get a couple more anons in here to take up some of the burden, and be more inclusive to /tg/ as a whole.

>>34488686
Woah sorry. That was me as well. I just switched computers so I lost my name.

>>34488606
I get what you're trying to say, I was saying the exact same thing from the beginning - to the point I actually wrote up everyones legions briefly cos no-one else was (in like the 1st thread).

But I write a lot. Personalities shape events not the other way around - decide your primarchs personalities - then that shapes our events because we know how they will and should react/act.

to keep it /tg/ Its like playing d&d - you write the character before you play the adventure
>>34488580
see >>34488555
they are the same thing. But I like Malal.
Malal hu Akbar!

>>34488587
It almost sounds to me like Nikaea is going to be inverted, with Emps favoring psykers and snubbing the anti-psyker team. It'll make a fun "I told you so" moment when it all goes tits up, though.

But >>34488736 has a point that the primarchs need to be fleshed out a bit at the moment. Hence me asking if there were any that had been abandoned and needing writing. If so I'll step in on that front, if not i'll happily start fleshing out captains and leadership from within the legions to give character to the people the primarchs are working with.

>>34488727
I figured it was.

So, if we go the Undivided favoring Khorne route, then perhaps part of their corruption if from a Bloodletter style of Blade?

>>34488587
You can put my guy on the fence.

>>34488736
By the way, we need a section of the wiki for Homeworlds, with maybe a "Primarch's Youth", "Heresy", "Post_Heresy" section to describe the evolution of the Homeworld.

>>34488647
>>34488727
>>34488700
>>34488652
>>34488587
>>34488580

we seem to have lots of anons on different time frames - we wait and keep re-iterating what needs to be done - if something is being not done - i'll do it or someone else who wants to. Just look in the original ''if you were a primarch'' thread for their legion, and stay true as you can to what they wrote. Take creative liberties where you like, just stay true to their original outline you know?

>>34488686
Khorne is categorically anti-magic.
He has no sorcerors because he hates the fuckers.
Blood magic is even in 40k?

note im not talking rituals - they're different.

>>34488587
I reckon you can put Brennus on the fence, as someone who believes that severe restrictions ought to exist on the use of psykers but is unwilling to outright remove the practice.

>>34488814
yeah i know = ideally we need links to sub pages for each legion+primarch

but i dont know how to do that shit - I can organise better than a war scribe, but i can't into advanced wiki controls.

Hektor Cincinnatus i think or voidwatcher said they would start doing it

>>34488842
Confirming the whole "Khorne fucking hate Psychers"

As a general guideline, everyone on the Loyalist side should be either

"On the fence": Your primarch is conflicted, he can see that psychers are also humans, but psykers seem very dangerous.
"Against": Your primarch knows how fucking dangerous psykers could be.

For Traitors, it's simple, unless you are Khorne aligned, you are "In Favor"

>>34488439
Alrighty then, lemme see what I've got.

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Ullanor had been a taxing event for the Scale Bearers, this Tiran knew. Keradops had recieved three new scarring wounds, one of them a large gash across his left foreleg cut by a barrage of Orkish gunfire.

While the Sor was at this point larger than an Ork Squiggoth, Tiran knew that his old friend was just that - old. No Sors known before the Emperor came to Jer Asyk, nor any born since then, had ever reached Keradops' advanced age, and it showed in the slowness of the beast's movements and the shallowness of his breath.

While Tiran primarily concerned himself with his closest companion's well-being, Captan Lukas Ilion wondered what would come of this campaign. Lukas had been one of the recruits from the evacuated human populace of Kras Xenkoh, and ever since then, he had served the Legion well. Still, however, this campaign had cost him much. Childhood friends from his homeworld now lay dead, some burned to ashes by Ork flame weapons. Even his Sor, Aleph, lay slain - notably, by a very familiar Nob. This Nob had been among Sarkus' WAAAGH on Henom IX, and presumably wanted revenge.

"Acron!" he called to the Dreadnought beside him. Acron Kanthus was among the oldest Marines in the Legion, having been one of the first to join from Jer Asyk, and having fought in Tiran's personal army during the Battle of Larun Tya.

"What is it, Lukas? It concerns Tiran, does it not?"

"Well, yes. I noticed he isn't talking to the other Primarchs - just his Sor."

"Keradops..."Acron paused momentarily, collecting his thoughts. "Keradops is more of a brother to him than any of them, from what I can tell. I fought with them, long ago, and even then they never parted. Imagine if he were to have fallen."

The two continued with what amounted to idle gossip for some time - but soon enough, when the Apothecaries had assured Tiran that Keradops would fight another day... (continued next post)

>>34483744
I...RETURN!

>>34488842
Well they don't have to be Khornate. Just an idea I was tossing around. I still like the idea of getting the rituals out of blood and gore. Haruspex were priests in the ancient world who discerned the future and the will of the gods from the organs of dead animals.

>>34488924
Woah I most certainly said nothing of the sort. I'm about as useful with wikki controls as I am with cooking, drawing, carpentry, handicrafts, or any other real life skill.

>>34488947
>For Traitors, it's simple, unless you are Khorne aligned, you are "In Favor"

Not really. Plenty of traitors could be renegades who took steps to far, has little to do with Warp=psykers so yes. maybe some of them really just don't give a care about what some weirdos are allowed to do.

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An important thing to note is that the Emprah himself would just outlaw it like he did at Nikaea in canon.

We're all trying to be reasonable, but the truth is - the Primarchs for the most part were not fond of it.
Hell in the fluff librarians even spoke and have said what you all suggest right now - but the Emprah overruled everyone and decided to ban them because Better Safe Than Sorry.

>mfw everyone forgets that the Emprah would brook no mothafucka disobeying/disrespecting his rules+beliefs...

>>34488947
Mortarion was a Traitor, and was against Psykers.

It was only after his fall that he became more lenient.

>>34489043
The thing is

Traitor favor Change, this is the reason they sided with Hector/Horus, because they could see the Imperium changing and not just be controlled forever by the Emperor.

You can't get more Change-y than supporting Psykers.

>>34489133
The anomaly then, you always need one.

>>34488947
Actually it serves ALL traitor purposes to vote to ban them now - otherwise you have to fight those muthafuckers - and why would you when you can get the guy your about to overthrow to ban them for you?

>>34489129
Yeah assholes.

I don't get no Xenos, you don't get no mind powers...

I mean uuugh...

...That's a shame.

>>34489165
They already knew they were gonna betray the Imperium?

>>34489185
I dont got no mind powers. My guy is pretty much just a normal fucking guy.
Running a network of informants.
I don't into psyker, I dont into 4 heavy bolters, i dont into dreadnought or anything else.

Backzor. Hmm, I dunno Uriel. Some people have their main backstory done so it makes sense for them to work on what they were doing during the great crusade.

>>34489139
>Traitor favor Change
Tzeencth favors change and Psykers. Besides, most Primarchs didn't know they were going to be traitors during the Council of Nikaea, they became traitors because they had either been corrupted or felt the Emperor had abandoned and didn't trust them.

Just because your patron God isn't Khorne doesn't mean your hunkey dorey with them, their is still plenty of room for personal preference. Mortarion hated psykers long before he became a daemonic prince.

>>34489200
Your argument is that the traitors are pro cos change.
I dont know the timeline but its before the HH kicks off.

So everyone would be voting as their legion would - not voting to change because we will be traitors later

All of which is moot - because the Emprah just vetoes that shit anyway and bans it.

>>34489159
Konrad Curze was known to be against Psykers.

Editing the wiki to add a "Homeworlds" section.

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>>34489222
Yeah! Normals! High Five!

>>34489263
What is implied is that it was because they had a mentality/thought process friendly to change (with lowercase c, not Change Tzeentch-style) that they then ended up being traitors.

Anyway, it's just a guideline to help people pick a side.

>>34489240
jesus christ -= welcome back by the way

Thats fine those who have done it great - but if you start doing it now - the others who havent ARE going to get involved in what your doing.

Those who have finished have the responsibility of getting everyone else to get their shit done otherwise its all one big fucking mess and /tg/ wont get shit done.

>>34489002
(Cont. from last post)

...he felt it was time to speak with his brothers at last. While he was not averse to conversation, he found himself thinking of little he could say to Arelex or Brennus. Perhaps, he thought, he could count kills with Nathanog? There was always Alexandri to catch up with... still, something troubled him.

Despite the casualties numbering at only 700 or so, many of the Scale Bearers lost were integral parts of the command structure. Fewer than 15 of Tiran's original recruits from Jer Asyk remained, now, and some 5 were entombed in Dreadnoughts.

Their Sors did not have that option - more often than not, their agony had been to great to bear, and the Legion reluctantly put them to rest. Tiran had seen this far too many times already...

==================================

That's all I've got for now, since I dunno how to write you guys.

>>34489340
sorry typos - I feel like i'm being turned into an asshole for spoiling peoples fun - when i'm trying to make this shit actually have some fucking cohesion. Some legions are finished but lack complete primarch sections - or vice versa.
Some have nothing, and others have tons.

My point is - if those who HAVE done all the work, start planning battles and shit, those who havent are going to join in instead of sitting out and not getting their shit done.

Leaving us where we started - with some legions done, while others are really active, but have nothing fluffed for anyone to riff off of - they just appear everywhere in allthese battles with all these friends and no-one knows fuck all about them.

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>>34489340
I agree. Start quietly making some of your own fluff and maybe invite everyone who is primarily done (like myself) to a wiki doc to start on other fluff. We'll move it back here once enough people finish with their crap.

Does that sound good to everyone?

MFW people are still trying to create battles and events without their Primarch or legion done even though it's in the title of the goddam thread.

>>34489419
>sees a typo

Daggone it not again.

>>34489419
So pretty much Tiran is a loner who stick to his Legion?

Also THE big question.

Does your legion breathe FIRE!!?

>>34489659
Do they breathe fire? No.

As for Tiran being a loner, I'm still on the fence about that - I do know that he doesn't have anything interesting to say to them at Ullanor, and certainly nothing foreshadowing-like.

>>34489818
Would be an interesting trait I don't think anyone has done the isolated trait in an interesting fashion.

As long as you make it an integral part of the character. Like maybe even when allies call them they keep silent. On the other side they are independent and free, like DRAGONS!

A good and bad side to it.

Question about the Black Augurs, are their Captains also Psykers?

>>34483744
Would any one like comment on what their legion thinks of the Eyes?

>>34490335
Given the similarity between Thunder Kings doctrinal thought and that of the Emperor's Eyes, I reckon that Brennus and Octullus Tyran might have been on cordial/friendly terms if not actually assigned to a handful of fronts together.

Probably viewed as sensible blokes, generally, and appreciated for their sane approach to warfare.

>>34490335
I honestly think Tiran would find Octullus' behavior somewhat confusing, mostly due to different frames of reference. There'd probably be no bad blood between them until at least the Heresy, though.

>>34490335
Well, since it seems that willingly or otherwise, your Legion was helping to kill mine on Isstvan with the Traitors, the War Scribes will carry a deep grudge against that pretty much permanently.

If it wasn't for that, we might have been friends, since your Legion seems to have a methodical style of warfare, focused more on heavy firepower, which is similar to how the War Scribes fight.

So, pre heresy, our two Legions would have gotten along reasonably well, if not particularly warmly, and post-heresy, it's going to be a "Loyalist shall not fight Loyalist, but it's better not to be on the same planet together, lest the War Scribes lose their shit".

>>34490335
Thought your name was pretentious. Disliked your Legion for being so focused on ranged attacks. Probably started thoroughly hating you once you flipped back over to the loyalist side

>>34490335
Careful withe whole "small and thin". You have another Primarch I won't name that also want to use the "I'm weaker than other Primarchs" card.

Focus on the Gunslinger aspect, have him have regular size but be lean and agile and the finest sharpshooter around.

Though I wonder if the gun-slinging fits with Chaos...

>>34490641
I don't think it matters anymore.
Everyone is kind of blurring over into each other in many areas now anyway.

But you are correct.

the Eyes are also a lot like the Scribes too what with the same warfare methods.

>>34490739
From what I remember, and I do remember most since whe had a pretty lengthy talk Arelexx and I about it, Scribes are more about using Archeo-tech, artifacts in battle.

Although I discuss how it was not enough as a battlefield doctrine, at least it was distinctive.

Maybe this could be changed to the Scribes being the only one able to replicate low-level -ranged- Archeo-tech like void grenades, ect...

>>34490739
Perhaps people should be thinking of more ways to diversify their Primarchs and Legions?

Writing a Primarch shouldn't be an excersize in min-maxing, after all, pretty much all the canon Primarchs except maybe, idk, Vulkan, are in a dead heat for "Most Gigantic Man-Child/Asshole".

After all, everyone's anonymous here, you don't have to try to cover over your Primarch's personal failings, indeed, you should show them off. That's what makes them human, and more than human.

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I just put in lots of fluff for Johannes and Life Bringers in 1d4chan, also claimed Johannes as 14th primarch in the discovery order. Would like to know what you think.

>>34490335
Probably neutral. Nothing to hate or argue about, nothing to bond over aside from just being fellow space marines.

>>34489989
Yes. All their captains are members of a suborder of psykers named Vates.

Also I gotta go. Real life birthday party. I won't be on till tomorrow. Keep up the good work everyone. I'll pop back on repeatedly to check for my drawfriend request.

>>34490858
The War Scribes are somewhat Ultramarine in how they go about doing things. Overall, they're generalists.

They do prefer ranged combat over melee though.

>>34490904
Okay so dropping the archeo-tech aspect for Ultramarined doctrine-based warfare?

Fair.

>>34490924

And yes, their most distinctive feature is that they apply generalist, Codex tactics to most fights, *but*, back it up with as much archaeotech as they can muster, however much that happens to be at a given time.

The power of strong technology and the odd archaeotech relic is how they make up for being subpar close combatants, and not the greatest battlefield tacticians. They can plan a sector's conquest just fine, but (relative to other marines, they're still better than Guardsman #whatever of course), they're not as clever on the individual or squad level.

Make sense?

>>34490962
Might be a bit much to have the two. How can you have doctrine-based warfare if the Scribes are not the greatest battlefield tacticians?

The only reason the Ultramarines are not seen as stubborn idiots is because the Codex is so effective and brillant is always enough for them.

What you could do is have their love of tech be the one that provide them with those doctrines, they calculate scenarios and possibilities with AI (sensible subject for the Emperor ahoy) or just archeotech. And then apply their affinity for ranged combat.

Also as I said, one of the core aspect of archeo-tech is that it is potent but far too big and dangerous to have anyone handle it.

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>>34490873
>pic related
is that a dig at me?
I don't really care if it is, I'm just curious.


I'm working on my legion at the moment, i'm trying to measure my desire for a badass with keeping it believable, and coming up with stuff that should be unlike what others have. Although frankly, my legion isn't like anyone elses, and my primarch is the least amazing/shiny or w.e.

I think the trouble is in that we all know what makes sense in the real world - so a lot of people picked the smart, modern special forces way of fighting, or they went down the big guns route of siege or shootyness.
A lot of people changed to close combat when we realised there wasnt any, but we still have predominantly siegers, and sneakers.
It is starting to level out a bit more, but Everyones motivations are similar now, quite often out of whack with their legions original methodology&wheelhouse

Pretty much half the legions have divergences from the accepted behaviour of astartes (pre-codex) that aren't some dark secret like the DA have.

I'm just getting disilluisioned and fatalistic about everything cos people just want to talk about what cool shit their primarch/legion does in such and such a battle or who likes fucking who.

All the while my legion is ignored - I have to argue my point to be included in anything, which sucks.
How the ucking stone men must have felt is crushed (a stone related pun to lighten my tone)

But seriously, I just wanna hang around long enough to have the drawanon draw me a primarch, then I'll just abandon it and you can all do whatever you want with my legion.

Okay, I see my Primarch hating a lot of guys.
Especially the two loyalist siege masters. The Cataprachts while indirectness when it comes to besieging enemies and the Steel Marshalls complete disregard of ranged weaponry when assaulting the kinds of fortresses they can be up againts, makes him feel like they don't understand the scale of what they are doing or even how to do it properly.

>>34491298
Bitchin. Still taking requests?

>>34491298
>>34491319
Was about to ask the same thing. Always love seeing your stuff.

>>34491298
Hot. Fucking. Damn!!

I'm next, right? ;_;

>>34491189
Well, in this AU, the overarching strategy and organization of the codex came from other Primarchs, who contributed their wisdom as well.

So, the War Scribes adhere to the aggregate doctrines contained within, making them the most generalist Legion post-heresy. Doctrine-based warfare lead their Primarch to try and learn from others, as befits a Scribe, and so they try to learn from the lessons of others, as much as their own experiences.

Sometimes they rely too much on the wisdom of others, and they merely imitate their tactics, rather than properly understanding ad applying them.

As far as the archaeotech thing goes, I wanted my Legion to be the ones most dedicated and capable of unlocking the secrets of archaeotech. They may not succeed all the time, but they succeed more than most.

That was one of the most core aspects of the Legion I was writing, dude. Might as well ask your Legion to quit eating things, and start over, rewriting everything.

>>34491298

owww thats kinda how Darius was suppose to look

>>34491319
>>34491342
Thanks guys
I am retiring for today but just leave the info I need and I'll get to it later

>>34491361

Derp.

Edit: The overarching strategy and organization, how to run an empire, how to command a fleet, how to lead worlds, all that came from Arelex. Squad-level tactics mostly came from other Primarchs.

>>34491298
Thats awesome, great work anon.
I would like to put myself on your already crazy long list. My Primarch's appearance is on the wiki page.

Whats the order on who's up next?

>>34485680

SoF guy here, and that is the most amazing thing. Thank you so very much.

>>34491228
No, there was no dig intended at you, or anyone else. I was merely encouraging people to look to canon for ways in which the Primarchs aren't always the most intelligent of people.

And, if you don't mind my asking, what is it you'd like me to include you in, since I can't speak for anyone else?

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>>34491412
The first things people will notice about Uriel is his easy going smile, and his large, knowing eyes - both alight with mischief and predatory glee.
His chin is well defined on his square jaw.
His hair is dark brown, and kept short, high and tight, the top combed over neatly to the back (think like Ralph Fiennes in Schindlers List), and his face is clean shaven.
Uriel has light, but not pale skin.

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Still working on this, we need a few more Legions and the sigil of the Heralds of Hektor and Silver Spears as well.

>>34491361
Alright. As I said it's fair, just trying to root out inconsistencies.

>>34491298

Sigh it does look fricken awesome though. I kinda wanna talk Voidwalker out of the whole eye thing since that was suppose to be Darius's distinguishing feature. Wish whoever cleaned up the wiki hadn't deleted the description of Darius's appearance.

>>34491439
I believe it's Rook North

>>34491412
As before, my info is on the 1d4chan page, you can look it over whenever you feel like it.

>>34491518
Fair enough. I'm just getting a little weary of trying to explain myself, since it seems like people are making a lot of assumptions about what power level I'm trying to give the Scribes.

>>34491551
Well, that's gonna be fun.

Just don't draw him as a normie pls.

>>34491631
I thought Rook was the super Normie? The most human or something?

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>>34491472
I don't even know anymore tbh.
I don't even want to be in a lot, just i started this shit, and i'm now just the 'asshole' who criticises peoples legions, or points out holes in the plot we're meant to give a fuck about because we're writing an AU to a huge fucking event.

But its just the battles/events people want to really be a part of. And why their legion is as badass as it is.

We weren't a part of the Brother on Brother fighting during the heresy really.
We just liked saying 'just as planned'.


but w.e. it is what it is.

>>34491551
Does he have a description of his appearance yet?

Decided to rename my Black Augurs Haruspex Captain. He is now Vate Agrius Strix, The Blood Seer. The Captain-Librarian has been a member of the Legion since its founding on Terra.

>>34491664
You are right.

And that's why he sucks.
Only to save the concept is to have it not be a normie.

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>>34491707
>>34491551
no he has no appearance on the wiki, i dont think he ever did past saying he was a small normal guy just trying to live his life when the emprah came along gave him a big gun and said go shoot up some zeenoz

Has anyone given any thought to what their Primarch's "purpose" was, by the Emperor's design?

You know, they make allusions throughout the HH series that Russ was intended to be the Emperor's executioner, Magnus was meant to sit the Golden Throne, one was destined to be the Emperor's statesman, one to be his storm trooper, one to lead his armies, and so on. Horus was always destined to be Warmaster.

So, in our AU, who was meant to be what? Was Arelex made to be a Chronicler? Brennus a lieutenant to a greater warlord? What?

Just another potential line of thought for people to help shape their personalities.

>>34491707
>Rook has long wavy brown hair. Like Curze long. He has tan caucasian (totally not Italian) skin with gaunt features. Pronounced cheek bones, sunken cheeks and eyes, and a thin face. His most notable feature is his smaller stature. Not as tall as the other primarchs, and definitely not as strong.

>>34491688
I've never called you an asshole. Maybe Nathanog or someone did when things got heated last night, but that's no reason to feel depressed or whatever.

I'm curious though, why you expect us to have a perfect tapestry woven already, when so much is yet to be done. It's not as if 40k's canon isn't made of plot holes, so I think maybe dialing it back a bit is ok.

Aside from battles and events, what else is there, really? You want me to write three pages of Uriel and Arelex sitting around talking or something?

>>34491688
Considering your legion is this AU's version of the Word Bearers in the sense that they are the ones that seeded the whole shebang, I would think they'd be very much the ones behind a lot of the scenes. If we can get the fluff on the rest of the primarchs done, we could figure out who the CoA prodded into doing what and maybe then figure out some events that happened because of it. Without the kickstarter legion to push people to chaos, the whole widespread heresy thing just kinda falls apart.

>>34491688
I thought that was my role to be that 'assshole'?

Don't despair, some are trying to get this thing on the road, most of what you say is true, but you underestimate how many are trying to get this shit done.

Hell, Aubrey could be a good example.

>>34491730
I appreciate that you're not afraid to call people out on shit. That's a useful attribute to have, and sometimes people need a good reality check.

But blithely dismissing people as "sucking" is hardly useful, and is only going to make people think you're an asshole and disregard your opinion.

It'll be a self-fulfilling cycle of you accusing people of not listening to you, and them not listening.

>>34491740

Add Tollund to the Pro-Party, his Ice-Shamen were a vital part of his legion.

>>34491830
Oh trust me, I gave pleeeeeenty of reasons to the guy who his concept was sub-par.

He was the ONLY one who didn't listen. The exception.

So sorry to drop this one on you, but some do listen, if anything my ramblings saved the Eternal Zealots.

Right, done with food, back to working on things.

Garrick Hammerhand, Foeseeker and Captain of the Colgrist Tribe of the Thunder Kings

After the unification of the twelve tribes of Alessia each chieftain was given voice as lord of his people. This tradition forged a unity previously unknown to the world, one which Brennus carried with him to the stars when he rejoined the Emperor. Each grand company of the Thunder Kings would draw from one of the great tribes for recruits, and as before, the chieftains, now captains over armies of astartes, served as the council for their primarch.

Garrick was one such captain, drawn from the Colgrist tribe of the far southern forests. His rise to authority had not been a meteoric one, but rather a steady rise through the attrition of war. His leadership and combat skills were well respected, but promotion by circumstance other than the death of his predecessors never came due to his clash with the patient ideal of the legions ways of war. Garrick was a bold man, favoring decisive action and swift, powerful deployment of the forces at his command. His peers view his command as a reckless one that risks too much for little gain. His retort has always been that fortune favors the bold, and only those who dare will know the glories of victory.
To his credit, Garrick's style of leading the charge has galvanized a loyal following of troops within his tribe, forming a solid spearhead that faces the foes of mankind with unflinching resolve and fury. Upon his elevation to command of the 5th grand company of the Thunder Kings, the reputation of his troops was one of great renown and open mindedness, with a willingness to drive home unorthodox and aggressive tactics to gain victory.

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>>34491740
doing so now - just losing motivation to bother doing so.
I'm away all tomorrow, so I might get cut (lol)

Na, I started to feel like that cos i was criticising your legion - but i think it was like aubrey who called me an asshole or something.

I dont expect a perfect tapestry - this is /tg/ lol, and its only been like a few days, Its just half the people turn up for one or 2 posts in the thread about who they are friends with and where they fight then fuck off and leave us to write about it all.

Yeah i'm not expecting us to not have plotholes, but /tg/ is about as high a standard as your gonna have to overcome (ironically), and I don't like half-assing stuff.

You're right about the battles being the major thing - in the grimderp there is only war etc - I EXPECT lots of battles and shit.
Just we do need to have the players done before we play the game so to speak.

>>34491792
you're right - I guess we would fit in around afterwards, i'm fine with that, i dont care about being in the spotlight etc

>>34491802
I almost certainly am underestimating - we have achieved a lot havent we?

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>>34491917
THE COUNCIL OF NIKAEA ALLEGIANCES INDEX

Pro-Psyker Party:
Alexandri, Primarch of the Silver Cataphracts.
Darius Cyaxares, Primarch of the Sand Keepers.
Tollund, Primarch of the Mastodontii.
Tiran, Primarch of the Scale Bearers.
Voidwatcher, Primarch of the Black Augurs.

On The Fence Party:
Brennus of the Thunder Kings
Kranios, Primarch of the Horns of Ruin.
Uriel Starikov, Primarch of the Children of Armok.

Anti-Psyker Party:
Arelex Orannis, Primarch of the War Scribes.
Gaspard Lumey, Primarch of The Void Angels.
Nathanog, Primarch of the Gorgers.

Are there any Primarchs who would wish to declare themselves? Also, I'm thinking of having the Pro's have a day where they writefag their Primarchs presenting their cases, then the Anti's presenting THEIR argument with writefaggotry. Those on the fence read both from the perspectives of their Primarchs, then writefag about them declaring for either party. The result will then have a consensus on how the Emperor would react.

Does this sound fair?

>>34491688
To be honest, you got me off my ass to write down shit on the wiki rather than begging for feedback. But bro, Uriel and the Children are pretty bare bones. You should fill them in so people won't be able to give you so much flakk.

>>34491940
Dude your guy is all but a mutant and a cannibal. Your the kind of Primarch the Emperor probably would have had killed. All his brothers probably think he's a freak.

>>34492086
To be fair, people said the same thing about Angron. His Butcher's Nailes practically made him an inhuman monster. There is precedent for Primarchs with... less than savory natures.

>>34492069
I've kind of taken control of the Bulwark, they would probably be on the fence, but Alexandri is on the pro, and they hate him - so Sebastian Rex is a vote for the Anti-Psykers

>>34492069
Octullus sees the use of sorcery as a affront to the grand future that the emperor is planning, but natural psyker power is nothing to be ashamed of, and should be well trained, although most of the chapter holds a bias against pyskers due to the abnormalitys that they can produce, and fear them, perhaps rightly so.

Also, I am inserting myself as the legion to stop the Steel Rangers on their way to mars. Any objections?

>>34491228
Don't go, Uriel, I need you.

IMO, you're having two problems. One is that you're trying to impose order on a brainstorming session. Doesn't work, won't work, can't work. Relax and let people do stuff. Second Foundings, for example, always mean some insight into the events of the Heresy, so what's the problem there? Similarly, a lot of people find it easier to establish a character with "He'd do this here, do that there" than "He's that kind of guy".

Second, for the Children themselves - yeah, there's a problem getting them involved. How about we work the Gaspard/Uriel Frenemy angle a bit harder, have them do a lot of co-Crusading, and after the Heresy the Void Angels remain a major issue for the Children? It wouldn't be spy vs. spy, because that's not what Gaspard taught, more like the Void Angels making a point of hunting down traitor Children and sometimes accidentally on purpose getting the "loyalists" as well.

>>34492187
No objections but check with the Crusaders or Scions - i think one of them decided to do it like a thread or 2 ago

>>34492187
*Iron Rangers, I mean

>>34492145
Yeah but that's different. My guy fell down a cliff and was raised by primitive mountain people, now he's just an asshole. His guy, for no apparent reason, eats everything and anyone he sees so he can get swole or some shit. There is no explanation to that besides omnomnom.

>>34492226
I'll check it with them when I see em.

>>34491740
It's not how things were suggested last thread. Darius and Gaspard had agreed to attend as the compromise party. Lumey got over-excited, especially after The Voidwatcher spoke, and ended up going on the warpath, dragging out every vile deed attributed to a psyker and condemning the lot of them. The Sand Keeper intervened at the end to save their original position.

>>34492031
Ultimately, the loyal following Garrick possessed would be his only saving grace. When the treason of the warmaster was discovered, so too were the roots of cancer that gnawed at his company. The drive for glory had become brazen in their ranks, spurred on by the success of the equally brazen captain. Yet his loyalty would have prevented them from testing their prowess against the most dangerous game of all: rival astartes. The 5th grand company had been long poisoned by the whispers of outside forces. Proud hunting tradition founded in the forests of Alessia had been twisted by the subtle works of the Children of Armok and their proxies; now the men sought to test themselves not for the edification of their tribe and Emperor, but to vaunt themselves above their kin. Garrick had been seen as the embodiment of this, but his fidelity to his primarch would harbor no treason.

In the end the captain of the Colgrist found his position usurped and his ship torn by a sudden, violent mutiny. His personal guard and loyal men from his days as a lesser officer quelled the fighting, but only after five hours of ceaseless slaughter as brothers in arms fell upon one another. Such bitterness only grew worse when his ship, the Astral Huntsman, was fired upon by the remaining vessels of the company's fleet. Word of the failed uprising had reached the other vessels where similar mutiny had ended swiftly in the traitors favor. Shocked and enraged, Garrick had to be restrained by his men, lest he command his ship on a suicidal final stand. Better, they reasoned, to flee and give word of their losses than to leave Brennus short a captain and the vital news.

>>34491761
Actually, having given it some thought, I think that Brennus' purpose was likely to be some sort of Grand Magistrate or perhaps Judge. It fits his overall personality of passionless efficiency, impartiality, and placidity. Doubtless he would have excelled in the role of administrator, were he ever given a chance to actually perform it, and his experience as Alessia's ruler was likely much more fulfilling than any amount of warfare ever was. It's likely that it was for this reason that he seemed perpetually weary and somewhat solemn, performing his duty well but without any great drive or ambition.

It's an interesting note. I think his greatest failing is likely in failing to recognize ambition or great passion in others, and in perhaps being too assured of his particular brand of loyalty and unity. He overlooked his traitorous sons, did not see in them the ambition which would inevitably corrupt them, and so let the cancer fester and spread.

>>34492031

I love how succinctly you summarized what I was basically going for with the Thunder Kings. Each of the Grand Companies which survived the Heresy were then made into individual chapters, so Hammerhand would have had a time to serve as the Chapter Master as well.

Also, I'd bid you to take a look at the Jovian & Saturnian campaigns. If he fought alongside Brennus during the Heresy, it's likely that he participated in those wars. Perhaps they were somewhat formative? I think that the decisive tactics of the Hammers may have perhaps swayed Brennus' views somewhat, and resulted in some nice solid victories over there.

Feels good to have a successor chapter, whoo.

>>34492222
its okay, I'd not leave at least until the drawfag remembrancer draws me my Ralph Fiennes-in-Schindlers-List-esque Primarch looking devilish.

And you have a point - I'm so used to it for my last job, i forget that this is 4chan where anything goes.

I agree extra perspective is good - im not asking for a finished mini novella on each wiki entry - but muthafuckas need to get *something* up there otherwise the events are shaping what came before and thats not how history/good storytelling works.
You make things from the ground up - you can go back and change shit a bit or w.e., but you dont work backwards..


I'm up for that, a Stasi to my KGB/CIA.
And the Children were active in the crusade etc

>>34491740
Aubrey is on the pro psyker party.
Mostly because he wished to study into medical uses of it.

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>>34491500
here's the stone men's symbol

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I have an idea for the Heralds of Hektor. They're Alexander-The-Great themed, right? So their sigil could be the Macedonain Star, a sigil of old Terra that kings wore, granted to Hektor to show the supremacy of his Legion. Also remove many of the spokes, it resembles the Chaos Star. Perfect foreshadowing and shows where it goes as the Heresy wears on.

Also the Justaerin equivalent should be the Hetairoi, after the elite cavalry of Alexander's armies.

>>34492440
>>34492069

Aubrey is on the pro psyker party.
Mostly because he wished to study into medical uses of it.

Sorry had to repost.

>>34492451
Dude that is badass

>>34492451

Are there any battles they were present at? I'm pretty sure they weren't at Isstvan V. I'll add their sigil to whatever battles we know they fought at. I plan to do Paramar next, so we need two Legions for that after Isstvan V.

>>34492460
I second this - very good looking out anon

>>34492501
I think they were in the middle of Istvaan V

>>34492416
I was getting to that, funny enough. He would rejoin the loyalist forces of the TKs after the betrayal with mind to avenge his fallen and punish the traitors. I suspect the only thing that tempered his rage would be the council of the Primarch and his fellow loyalist captains. So yeah, the Jovian and Saturnian campaigns would have marked the planetfall and rapid assault doctrine of his company being formed and perfected, giving rise to the Hammers afterwards.

>>34492534

Well, we need another Legion to suffer at Isstvan, so if you're offering, I'll add them in.

>>34492426
Cool. So, in the Crusade, I don't see either of our legions being at Ullanor. But how about the Children of Armok and the Void Angels go full-xenocide on the Squat? We don't have to call them that, but marking out our big thing as smashing a rival human space realm with lots of mining - anons will know what this means, and many will appreciate the joke.

So what do you say? Up for a war crime?

>>34492451
Very well done. I like the Stonehenge theme very much.

>>34492460
Basic, clean, solid. I could get behind this choice.

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>>34492179
>>34492187
>>34492475
THE COUNCIL OF NIKAEA ALLEGIANCES INDEX

Pro-Psyker Party:
Alexandri, Primarch of the Silver Cataphracts.
Aubrey The Grey, Primarch of the Eternal Zealots
Darius Cyaxares, Primarch of the Sand Keepers.
Tollund, Primarch of the Mastodontii.
Tiran, Primarch of the Scale Bearers.
Voidwatcher, Primarch of the Black Augurs.

On The Fence Party:
Brennus of the Thunder Kings
Kranios, Primarch of the Horns of Ruin.
Octullus Tyran, Primarch of The Eyes of the Emperor?
Uriel Starikov, Primarch of the Children of Armok.

Anti-Psyker Party:
Arelex Orannis, Primarch of the War Scribes.
Gaspard Lumey, Primarch of The Void Angels.
Nathanog, Primarch of the Gorgers.
Sebastian Rex, Primarch of The Bulwark.

>>34492303
It can't be subject to change though? I mean, if we rigorlessly stick to a plan that not most of us were around to talk about, well that'd be pretty anticlimatic.

>>34492687
It can definitely change, I'm just saying that this was my position and I thought Darius was onboard with it. It's relatively important for pointing out Lumey's failings and Cyaxares' strengths.

>>34492687

Inferox the Burned King is on the Fence. He has his fire-psykers, so unlike Nathanog he finds no issue with psykers, but he isn't particularly interested if they stay or go. Fire Fears no Magic.

>>34492460
I dig the sigil. With the honor guard I was going to give them a sun based name because Hektor's going to be this shining light demigod before the fall. Golden hair, golden armour and all that.

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Heres a symbol for me as well

>>34492687
Rook is pro.

>>34492687
Also, if Lumey starts as a moderate, then swings to a raging anti-psyker position at the Council itself, that might drag some of the other moderates over. (Uriel, you know I'm your favourite bad influence...)

>>34492687
Hektor is anti pysker.

>>34492687
i guess Octullus himself is on the fence, but his legion is Anti, so Anti.

>>34492750

How about the Heliotaroi? Combining Hetairoi with Helios, the Greek God of the Sun.

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One for me. New color scheme incoming, too.

>>34492794
Yeah that sounds great. Much better than my "Sun Guard" starting point.

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>>34492796
Decided to go for something more "thunder" and "lightning" themed color-wise. Purple was a weird choice, I think.

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Place-holder symbol, although I find it oddly pleasing.

>>34492580
oh I'm down for that
>gif here related >>34484325

Irony really, killing the space dorfs, when my legion gets the name Armok from Dorf Fortress....

>>34492687
Sign me up for on the fence. Psykers are a useful tool, but should be regulated.

>>34492756
>>34492796
>>34492950

I have quite a collection of these now. Which will be good for later battles. Now, we need a Silver Spears Sigil, and at least one, maybe two more Legions for the Second wave on Isstvan.

Also are the Stone Men part of the Dropsite Massacre? It's not mentioned on the wiki, and I won't add them in without confirmation from their guy. I already fucked up with the Scailies, I won't do that again.

>>34492928

I Dunno, looks real similar to the Sand Keepers. Maybe you should go with a blue and white?

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>>34492742
>>34492763
>>34492785
>>34492971
THE COUNCIL OF NIKAEA ALLEGIANCES INDEX

Pro-Psyker Party:
Alexandri, Primarch of the Silver Cataphracts.
Aubrey The Grey, Primarch of the Eternal Zealots
Darius Cyaxares, Primarch of the Sand Keepers.
Rook North, Primarch of the Nova Defenders
Tollund, Primarch of the Mastodontii.
Tiran, Primarch of the Scale Bearers.
Voidwatcher, Primarch of the Black Augurs.

On The Fence Party:
Brennus of the Thunder Kings
Merrill, Primarch of the Iron Rangers
Inferox the Burned King, Primarch of The Sons of Fire.
Kranios, Primarch of the Horns of Ruin.
Octullus Tyran, Primarch of The Eyes of the Emperor?
Uriel Starikov, Primarch of the Children of Armok.

Anti-Psyker Party:
Arelex Orannis, Primarch of the War Scribes.
Gaspard Lumey, Primarch of The Void Angels.
Hektor Cincinnatus, Primarch of the Wolves of Dawn.
Nathanog, Primarch of the Gorgers.
Sebastian Rex, Primarch of The Bulwark.

DAMN! That is 17 Primarchs. Nearly all of them!

>>34491500
My Legion's symbol. A variant of the aquila with a Rosskan hound, the only local fauna to become domesticated.

>>34492997
For the Silver Spears they could have three spears held in a hand. I can't remember where I saw it before but it looked pretty cool.

>>34492968
Heh.

I'll put a brief on it in the wiki, just so we're nailed down. "Core Worlds Campaign" is dry, but we can change the name later.

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>>34492928
Here's a thought. I found an interesting way to paint a nice "slash" through armor on that painter program. Here's an example.

You could color it appropriately and make it look something like a thunderbolt, perhaps, though I do not suggest charcoal black and neon yellow.

>>34492785

But after falling to Chaos, wouldn't he reverse his position?

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>>34493143
Arelex, what do you suppose your Primarch thinks of Alexandri, his tactics, his legion, and so on?

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Would like to point out that I've got the Deep Strike specialty (just low on termies) for the Traitors. We just don't do terror attacks like the Night Lords. Surgical assassinations and key asset assaults.

Also, War Scribes, check out what I've had written down so far for background and history. It seems we're doing similar paths tech-wise, I'm just taking it far too extremely.

Lastly, Octulus, we're fighting now? Should be interesting. I do have to say though, I agree that the 4 Heavy bolters seems a bit excessive. Perhaps a modified twin-linked autocannon modified to fire specialty rounds like a rifle? I'm just saying, dual-wielding is harder than it sounds, especially at any range, and that goes more into physiology than training. The way humans are designed, the recoil jerks hands around, no matter how strong the individual, whereas Dreadnoughts and Terminators have their weapons basically bolted into their chassis to allow for that.

>>34493148
I can't remember if the council of Nikea was before or after he fell, lemme check.

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>>34492998
Can't find a way to make that work well. This one is a bit more distinctive than the previous one, so no confusion possible.

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>>34492742
was about to say Khorne is anti-Psyker, but you aren't Khornate yet. Cos the Heresy hasnt happened yet...

>>34492687
I'm speaking for someone else, but based on the fluff on the Wiki - the Knights of Justice would be against it, the Steel Marshals too.

Crusaders would likely be for it because they are tactically flexible.
I'm not sure about the machine guard, or Scions of Europa, I;d guess Scions would be pro or on the fence and Machine guard would be anti because they favour vehicles and machines.

The council of Iron were *meant* to be psykers, but i think their creator went in another direction, so put them in anti,

Argent legion and silver spears I have no clue as they have no real fluff - but the original (and since abandoned) silver spears were pro psyker cos flexibility, but the argent legion hate the black augurs primarch - so would be anti-psyker.
God knows what the entombed would think, on the fence?

Also - the entombed are named that because they are literally entombed in their armour cos so many got fucked up by the lifebringers - but why are they called the entombed BEFORE the heresy...?

>>34493201
It was before. "Magnus" broke the ban to attempt to keep the gods from swaying him while recovering from the Daemonic Sword wound. When that failed, he ran to the Emps, who told him to fuck off.

>>34493143
I tried that, but I can't help but find it aesthetically atrocious. Plus, it's difficult to find good color combinations which work in such an arrangement. Thanks regardless, however.

>>34493201

Before. However it's suggested that OTL Horus deliberately engineered at least part of it to aid him during the Heresy. The lack of Psykers hut the loyalists when facing Daemons for the first time.

>>34493262

Inferox burned all his Psykers when he ascended.

>>34493316
>>34493300
Alright thanks. Does anyone know Horus pre-fall stance on psykers? I can't remember anything on it anywhere.

>>34493361

It's in Scars

Perhaps Russ had tried to snuff out the gifted forever. The Khan could well imagine Horus taking a stand against it; he was a noble soul, the noblest of them all. Sanguinius, too, had always been pure of purpose, and the third member of the triumvirate. From the very start, it had been the four of them – the Khan, Magnus, Sanguinius, with the support and tacit approval from the one who would one day be Warmaster. It was they who had laboured for so long to channel and protect the arts of the psyker within the Legions.

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How does this look for the Heralds of Hektor? I flipped it up to look more greek/macadonian.

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>>34484428
Happy Birthday.

>>34493385
Alright cheers. I think I'll keep Hektor on the sidelines but he'll of silently supported the pro-psykers.

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>>34493397
I like it!

Also, I'm trying to get Primarch's perspectives of the Cataphracts so I know how best to write about interactions with them in the future. What does Post-Fall and Pre-Fall Hektor think of the Cataphracts?

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>>34493397
There's this varient aswell. Dropped the grey to see how it looked.

>>34493169
Well, Overall I'd say that if your Primarch took the time to track Arelex down and speak with him, Arelex would enjoy the conversation. Alexandri seems like the kind of guy to protect his family, much as Arelex tries to protect his.

The central problem would come if Arelex found out about the Covens you've written about. Since Arelex distrusts psykers so much, he would have agreed with the Emperor's decision to kill them.

Tactically, the War Scribes rarely offer critique of other Primarchs' decisions, since Arelex deferred to the Emperor in such matters, being largely disinterested in what the other Legions were doing. If the Emperor had made his brothers they way they were, then that was good enough for Arelex. If they had something useful to learn, he's try to learn it when possible.

>>34493467
I think it looks better with the grey, course I love Grey and Red together

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The fighting on Ullanor had been long and hard. As Merrill walked through the camp, he saw a lot. Relief, grief, depression, his brothers all seemed to be bickering. Who killed more, who was more important to the fight, who's glory was greater. Merrill understood. There was no glory. These primarchs had been on the front lines, but he had been out there. Constantly running and fighting, causing absolute anarchy (or, at least more of it) with no support whatsoever. His Legion had been out there, alone, while most of these men were able to retire to command tents and relax. Resentment started to build, and, more than that, exhaustion. What did any of these trifle bits matter? We had won. He wanted to simply go to the empty tent that had been erected for him.

>>34493457

The Cataphracts seem hard to control, independent, and Alexandri would probably be bitter at being passed up for Warmaster.

>>34493262
If nobody wants to address the Entombed thing, I'll gladly pick them up and see what I can concoct. I just don't want to steal somebody else's legion if they're still kicking about.

>>34493490
Uriel would enjoy your company, and know about the covens, tell you he knew, but not do anything about it, so you would feel that you could trust him.

>>34493511
this does make sense though.
You gave up your title for respect for your father, being outshone/ordered around by a brother you never grew up with would grate on you - but you would probably grit your teeth and accept it ''is of no matter'' kind of fatalism that russians have built in.

>>34493575
Sketched the Core Worlds campaign. Implicitly, Uriel uses the negotiations to feel out the Core Lords for the weaker ones, so the operation itself is defined by the Void Angels wading in blood and the squat rushing to surrender to the Children of Armok. (Not that your legion don't do any fighting, it's just that we're working a good marine/bad marine angle.) Feel right to you?

>>34493507
He was stopped for a moment as something caught his eye. Tiran, sitting alone, next to his wounded beast. Merrill went over, and sat down near him. The thing was massive, and clearly its end was coming. So Merrill sat, in silence, next to his brother for what could have been a minute or an hour. Eventually, he got up, wordlessly placed his hand on Tiran's shoulder, and left.
Part of his mind began to wonder... Perhaps he could build a replacement? One that wouldn't age, wouldn't die...NO... He knew where that thought would lead, and realized that now was not the time. So he simply continued walking.

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I'm not sure I know exactly what you're saying.

Uriel would learn about Alexandri's planet's Covens, tell Arelex about them, but not "do anything about the Covens"?

I assume you intend this to be an action designed to drive a wedge between Arelex and Alexandri, and hopefully give Uriel credibility in Arelex's eyes?

If that's so, then you'll need to explain how Uriel finds out about the inner workings of Alexandri's planet, especially since the Emperor pretty much destroyed the Covens as soon as he landed, IIRC.

You and Alexandri should probably discuss that series of events, but I don't mind getting secrets passed along from Uriel, so long as it's plausible for him to have known that one.