>>34483725

Padded weapons glance off each other as you run through drills, side by side. Sparring takes second place, now- You're nowhere near her level of experience , but with the basics you can hold your own. At least until she pulls out the dirty fighting. You've gotten a whole encyclopaedia of 'Cheap shots for Arachne' now- From laying web while fighting, using lines to switch positions faster than you can move, to simpler things like grappling and using your absurd strength to shatter weapons.

After another 'friendly' spar ends with your legs askew in the air, you can hear your sibling stirring below. Mom pulls you to your feet, and you both clean up before heading down to the nest. Conversation over breakfast is muted as everyone scarfs down the spread. Sara eyes you over the meal, books ever present at her side.

Regardless- Mom hasn't got anything urgent for you to take care of, so the day is up to you.


Give me a d100 with your decision, please.
>Sara has that look in her eye again- She'll want to head somewhere less flammable and try more spells (Roll 2d100 instead)
>You're still feeling a bit peckish- Pick a location, and hunt for the evening. And a snack, too. (Roll 1d10 as well)
>>>>Follow the river- Explore a bit
>>>>Head in the direction of the ruins- Aside from your trip back with Mom, you've never been.
>>>>The trees get even thicker west- What lives there?
>Bring someone hunting with you?
>Do a bit of weaving- Maybe have Elle help you fix up that buckler?
>Other(?)

Rolled 14, 11 = 25 (2d100)

>>34483745
>get lit on fire by Sara

Clearly our magical shortcomings are due to the fact that we don't have our allomantic metals yet.

Rolled 86, 12 = 98 (2d100)

>>34483745
>Sara has that look in her eye again- She'll want to head somewhere less flammable and try more spells (Roll 2d100 instead)

Rolled 41, 28 = 69 (2d100)

>>34483745
>Sara has that look in her eye again- She'll want to head somewhere less flammable and try more spells (Roll 2d100 instead)
>Do a bit of weaving- Maybe have Elle help you fix up that buckler?
Actually, that crossbow might be really good for Elle. Being a sniper and hunter probably would work better for her.

Rolled 96 (1d100)

>>34483745
Shit, I'm late.
>You're still feeling a bit peckish- Pick a location, and hunt for the evening. And a snack, too. (Roll 1d10 as well)
>>>>The trees get even thicker west- What lives there?
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to roll 2 different dice...

Dealing with magic first, then. No problem.

>>34483935
This came late. Anyone else in support?

>>34484071
I'll support letting Elle practice with the bow, she seems perfect for it.

>>34483935
>>34484071
Sure, it sounds fine. Changing >>34484070, might as well.

>>34484071
We will instruct her to be efficient, be polite, and have a plan to eat everyone she meets.

>>34484157
We don't have plans to eat Jin though for example.

So, we're the Heavy Weapons Spider.

>>34484333
that makes sara the pyro

Blugh, I'm finally awake. Seems the vote's well underway. So, other topics.
We should totally try to figure out how to lacquers and composite fabric. If we can find some kind of quick drying sap or other liquid-that-dries-hard, we could pour it over webbing in a mold to make strong, rigid materials.
Hardest parts are actually making a kiln to cook clay molds, and finding a good sticky liquid.

>>34484835
Mom had that chemical we used for the spears. Ask her what it's made of/where to get more, then?

You resign yourself to the fact that you'll be spending the morning as a magical guinea pig. The sooner it's over, the better, right?

Sara's smile almost makes it worth it.

Now it's just a matter of not being lit on fire.

You grab Elle on the way out of the nest, despite your smallest sister's impatient tugging on your arm. It takes a few minutes of explaining, but you turn over the crossbow, letting her know how they work. She seems excited at the prospect of hunting without having to get anywhere near her prey.

The crossbow looks fragile in her hands as she heads out. Well, even if she breaks it, she'd probably figure out how to make a new one. It'd be better with a stronger wood and spider silk for string. Maybe you can try your hand at crafting later.

As soon as she's got you separated from Elle, Sara drags you full speed for the river. Drag might be a strong word- You doubt she could have pulled you unwillingly before. Now it'd be completely impossible.

Making no efforts to conceal yourselves, the trip over is comparably quiet- The forest critters of the day know better than to show themselves in front of an evolved Arachne. It's almost disappointing. You're still a bit hungry, and you wouldn't mind the distraction of an attack if it meant you'd get some more food before the work started.

The river is the same as always- sparkling, clear, endlessly flowing. The two of you move out from the light cover of the treeline, wading into the river to start your practice. Sara sets up her books on a wide stone, and launches into a lesson on elements and magical safety, straight out of her textbook. The irony is palpable.

>>34484916
What'd that chemical do exactly? I can't recall.
In lieu of that, we could try collecting sap from various types of trees around here and hoping one of them dries fast.

>>34484949

"-and of course, the most important thing to remember is that magic, above all, is dangerous. To use it against your fellow student, even in jest is to- Are you laughing?"
"No, no, of course not. Magic is dangerous, yes?"
"Mhm. Even for the caster. Mishandling mana causes explosions, spell effects, even magical mishaps. The book says someone even turned blue!"
"What, like, permanently?"
"All of their skin!"
"I hope we don't get anything like that. The red is enough, yes?"

She nods sagely, crossing her thin arms over her chest.
"So, what is first, then?"
"We'll work through the remaining elements- We've narrowed it down pretty far, yes. Earth, fire, ice or metal. It could be one of the really strange ones, like sight or sound, or blood. Probably not sight, the book says it would show in your eyes."
She mutters off about species exclusive magical effects, and something about harpies before you manage to distract her.
"What about healing, or something along those lines?"

Her eyes light up again.
"Magical healing is a bit of a sticking point for scholars, yes?" She says as she gestures about. "It has a clear effect, but is distant from traditional magic. There's no chanting, and healers don't really understand mana control- not in the way mages do. There is a debate on whether they use mana at all! Healers usually come from human 'jobs'. Druids, priests, that sort of thing. There's monsters that can do it, too, but they're less common."
"Is it a faith thing then? Or, something like intent?"
"People don't know!"

She readies herself, leaning easily against the rock. You can feel the mana curl around her, thickening in the air around you.
"Let's start!"

Roll 1d100, and then roll 1d4!

Rolled 20 (1d100)

>>34484977
Magic time

Rolled 89 (1d100)

>>34484977
Never use magic on another student, she says.
Then she catches us on fire.

Rolled 1 (1d4)

>>34484977

Rolled 11 (1d100)

the 100

Rolled 4 (1d4)

>>34484977
Lets see what happens.

Rolled 4 (1d4)

>>34484977
aaand a 1d4

Rolled 4 (1d4)

>>34485032
ouch and now the 4

>>34484835
>>34484916
Also acceptable would be some kind of quick drying cement, but that would be significantly heavier and less wearable. And probably more brittle.

>>34485020
>>34485028

Alright then. This is where the magic happens.

We may have to break it to sara that she's the only proper-magical one. We're just good at breaking the spell.

>>34485312
we shall be known as spell smasher throughout the land

>>34485374
I'm content with having no big title or anything.

>>34485312
>>34485374
That wouldn't explain how we managed to turn a light spell into a firebolt though.

>>34485487
It makes sense to me. You break a spell, some weird shit happens.

>>34483725
Shit I'm super late, at least it looks like I didn't miss much

>>34486478
That's how it is with me too.
I always show up llike an hour after threadstart.

>>34486478
Yeah I'm just arriving but thread is still alive and kicking.

It's getting easier at least. As Sara guides you through chants, you're definitely starting to grasp how to cast spells. The flow of mana into the intent, guided by the words. Controlling the misfires is harder, but you can tamp down on the mana itself, snuffing the magic before it can consume too much and detonate in your face.

And if you can't, well, you're fast enough to dump it into the river at least. Fire singes at your fingers before hissing into a pillar of steam. An ice floe makes its way down the river, sure to confuse anyone who sees it. Metal does nothing at all, just a spark and a flash as the mana blazes.

But earth- Earth is different. As you chant, as the mana circles your hands, you can feel the stones beneath your feet, the same way you can feel your own skin. The water tickles at the stones, the wind whispers along them. Tree roots grasp and crush beneath the surface. And far below, stones slide on heat unbearable, the slow, solemn movement of power far beyond your own.

You come back to yourself as the spell activates- It's nothing like the clean spells Sara casually summons, but it certainly isn't the mana consuming detonation of your previous attempts. You can feel the mana burn, and an answer from beneath- and a pillar of stone rises up from beneath you, splitting into jutting spikes as the water rushes past them.

>>34487063
Sara lets out an excited squeal, dashing towards you and leaping, hanging from your neck with an expression of pure joy.

"It worked! I was right! Even without internal control, you can cast if you have a supply- This is, this is great, this is exciting!"
"I can't really cast without you, though."
She smiles back, satisfaction evident across her features.
"Don't worry, I'll be there so you can practice as much as you like. I can teach you! There's all sorts of spells- I bet I can even generate mana for you while casting on my own- Oh, e should definitely try that. And then we can..."

Your afternoon proceeds exactly as you'd imagine. Sara grills you on spells and chants, running repetition on basic spells till you can repeat them without so much as a stutter. Before the sun is overhead, you can call up walls of stones, punch spikes up from the ground and mould stone and earth like clay. Sandcastles, however, do lose a bit of entertainment when you can just will it to exist.

After overseeing your introduction to magic proper, Sara opts to practice her own. Bolts of power, sizzling orbs, whirling lights and more. She's a one-spider lightshow. With a quick run down of her own spells, she pulls you back in, giving her all to the idea of tandem casting. It's not quite so successful.

One or the other draws too much power, weakening one spell and miscasting the other. Sometimes, they miscast together, creating utterly bizarre effects, Like a blue glowing stone that promptly melts into a hissing puddle.

>>34487084
You'd think she'd get frustrated, but with every strange result her smile grows wider. Eventually, with noon fading overhead, she calls your practice to a halt, dashing for her books. Chattering on excitedly about combining spells and synchronous casting, and elemental bleed, she perches over the river writing feverishly.

It takes a bit of doing, but you manage to convince her down from the stone, reminding that there's no risk of dropping her work into a river at the nest. It's a race all the way back, Sara clutching her book to her chest as she hurtles through the woods. You follow alongside her, easily keeping pace till you arrive safely at home. She tears up the tree, settling in a corner of the nest with books all around as she records the afternoons events.

Mom shoots you a look of pity as she crawls down the tree, Aria slung over her back.

With your little mage sufficiently distracted, you've got a few options.

>Hunt/Find your new limits. (pick a location) 1d100 to just hunt, 2d100 to push yourself.
>Find Elle- See about making stuff (What?) 3d100
>Explore (Where? Pick something you'd find in a forest, or a ruined city, etc.) 1d100
>Other(?)

Rolled 34, 92 = 126 (2d100)

>>34487116
>>Hunt/Find your new limits. (pick a location) 1d100 to just hunt, 2d100 to push yourself.
Let's see how stronk we are now

>>34487138
Ah and a location, let's check out where the trees get thicker out west

Rolled 91, 97 = 188 (2d100)

>>34487116
>>Hunt/Find your new limits. (pick a location) 1d100 to just hunt, 2d100 to push yourself.

The west, earth magic means were going to be a big spider

Rolled 67, 19 = 86 (2d100)

>>34487116
>>Hunt/Find your new limits. (west) 1d100 to just hunt, 2d100 to push yourself.
It's good to know your limits and the food wouldn't hurt either.

Rolled 62, 22, 17 = 101 (3d100)

>>34487116
Either hunting or hanging out with Elle. My personal preference is
>find elle
but that takes a back seat if we're particularly hungry. Which is a thing the character would know but I wouldn't.
Either way, DICE STAMPEDE

Oh, and if we do go to Elle, I want to try getting outselves a hat. And maybe making a few test parachutes with rocks tied to them so we can see how our balloon work would go.

>>34487116
>Hunt/Find your new limits. (pick a location)
West

Rolled 38, 48 = 86 (2d100)

>>34487116
we need food and after practicing all day I'm sure Lyra is hungry as hell
>Hunt/Find your new limits.
>push yourself

Also since we're earth based does that mean we're more likely to get the same evolution that the spider queen of old did?

Rolled 20, 43, 33 = 96 (3d100)

>>34487116
>Find Elle- See about making stuff (What?) 3d100
A new string for that crossbow, silk reinforcements for the buckler, and silk fishing nets and fishing line to trade to the fishermen when we meet them.

>>34487198
so we find something big and then we take out with some little effort based on those rolls.

>>34487227
I'd personally like to spend more time with Aria... I feel like she'd be our fellow tank/bruzer. However we need to figure out what the hell we can do.

>>34487249
Oh, and maybe just spun silk on a spool!
>>34487263
Aria is going to be temporarily unavailable for a few days while mom beats the SHIT out of her.

>>34487116
If we -are- going hunting- do we have any water tight containers?
Can we bring a few?
I do want to try collecting sap from a few different types of trees. Hunting is the best time for this.

>>34487277
We... we.. could beat the shit out of her too! Or tag team or something... maybe together we could actually beat mom!

>>34487198
Well dem bears be FUCKED

>>34487305
We can probably spin something akin to a wine skin. Hell with how nice our silk is it might double as a sort of water bed pillow situation.

>>34487363
I think a bear is going to be too small for that roll

>>34487198
Looks like Shoulder Harpy was right, we're going to be the biggest

>>34487393
Bears as in MUlTIPLE at least ten

>>34487393
Dem elephants be FUCKED

>>34487388
Spider beanbag chair?

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>>34487396
>>34487198
Hey, earth isn't always biggest.

Though I do insist we make ourselves a fancy house one day with our web and powers. With walls. And a ceiling. And a fireplace!

>>34487434
>Yfw you realized we rolled up the same element as the spider queen

>>34487422
This needs to be a thing.

>>34487460
I don't actually remember that at all, jog the memory?
>>34487422
>>34487468
We constantly envy elle's crafting ability.
Simultaneously, aria is envious of our bigness.
There is probably an envy chain going on.

Alright then- Go west young spider.

The next post will suffer a minor delay while I go get a new keyboard.

>>34487538
OP is breaking keyboards making these updates.

>>34487567
spider limbs aren't made for keyboarding

>>34487512
Species pastebin
pastebin.com/u/reqm

>>34487567
>>34487606
Just frustration with an old keyboard. The space bar sticks, and I've had enough. I'd be a lot more upset if it hadn't lasted 5 years.

All things considered, earth is a pretty damn good element.
We should try figuring out clay and metal business. Or purchase some working tools from the village.

>>34487512
Clearly this means we need to bring one of our ragged excuses for clothing to her and profess our undying admiration of her abilities and beg her to teach us the ways of silk.

>>34487781
I have a feeling we're going to wind up making utilitarian and simple things like bags and superdense cloth tunics, and she's going to make all the actually good stuff like real clothes and articulated armors.

>>34487853
Well the crossbow is a step towards the militaristic pursuits. So instead of terrible clothing we need to bring awful armor. Establish the feelings of a family dynamic, she kits us, we fight.

>>34487888
Yeah, about right. It's her talent and all.
I think we might want to suggest net fishing to her, or try it ourselves. It seems like a great lazy hunting method.

Anyone can bother me a summary of what happened so far? Archive is down for me for some reason.

>>34488077
Like, all together?
We got killed by a train and reborn as a spider girl. We went through babydom, and made friends with our family members. Then we met the harpy neighbors, and made friends with one of them while we went hunting together. We fought a sparkwolf, which made mom start training us more thoroughly than the other kids. Later, we were called on to save a moth person from a dungeon, because our mom was too big to fit inside.
All the while, our siblings have been developing specialties. Aria's a fighty type, sara's all magical, elle's getting good at weaving, and our brothers work in tandem perfectly and do most of the hunting.
And which archive are you using, I have like three.

>>34488155
We also shanked a whole bunch of kobolds, looted their swords and turned them into a glaive, killed a trio of orcs hunting said moth girl, met a fuckhuge friendly spider in the caves, and now have a red carapace through magical spider evolution.

>>34488077
I'm shit at summaries. Lyra was a human was murdered and reborn as a spider in a different plane of existence. We've got several siblings and we're apparently STRONK. I'm shit at summaries.

http://archive.moe/tg/search/subject/%20RE%3AMonster%20EX%20Quest/ - Archive foolz

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=re-monster suptg

Both are working for me I wish you luck.

>>34488203
>orcs
those were ALSO kobolds.

>>34488239
Huh. Must've gotten mixed up by the whole "killing speaking creatures" thing. Anyway, point stands.

>>34488239
Since both are inferior to the great Arachne race distinctions between them are irrelevant.

>>34488275
Yeah, killing things that talk is rough.
At least they were slave trading cannibals, though. That makes it easier.
Speaking of, I wonder where they planned to sell that moth. They mentioned it.

>>34488275
The enemies at the river that we got the rivermetal from were lizards.

>>34488293
It sucks that they used to be allies and have civilization and crap.
Dark ages, man. Not the brightest.

>>34488377
Our species temporary decent into chaos is simply a trail in which we prove our greatness. We shall rise again! Those who have stayed true to the forest covenant shall rise with us and be the first among our servants!

>>34488445
You're like 60% too intense here.

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>>34488445
We are not merely strong. Strength can be turned aside, but cunning is always ready with another way to strike. We have advanced knowledge of technology. Our ideas will bring the civilized races to us in droves, begging for new insight from their ruler. From their goddess.

>>34488459
Thankfully the nature of our decision making methods balance out my intensity.

>>34488650
>>34488644
I just think this is going way overboard.
I'd much rather run a nice floating clothing and fabric shoppe with our sisters.

>>34488644
Or it.. apparently could compound my psychosis

>>34488713
Your wishes are noted however we are meant for great things. The fabric shoppe sounds ungodly boring
.

>>34488753
I hope the end result of this turns out more towards the adventuring and small scale stories than grand kingdombuilding and politics and shit.
Because that second group of things is not at all why I'm readin' this.

>>34488808
I'm down for adventure. The kingdom politicking usually has no action at all. The shoppe thing is totally out of left field and it would kill most if not all the interest I have in the game.

>>34488808
I agree with this anon I'm here for the slice of spider life and a side of action.

>>34488871
The shoppe thing is a venue for getting out of the woods and doing ssstuff.
We gotta have some reason to build that airship.
If we build an airship just because it's cool, we're going to wind up taking it out for a drive like twice a year and it would go to waste.

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>>34488753
Yes. How will we even fit in the door of our supposed boutique when we grow to our full size and Sara has to stand in a cupped hand for her mana to reach us?

>>34488905

I'm reasonably sure PLOT says we've got something to do with the spider queen dealy. We've not exactly been playing this in total SOL Fashion. We're not crafting and sitting in a tree. We're training to murder things and evolving into spider tank.

>>34488988
Can't rely on a plothook falling into our lap, anon. Gotta think up reasons to go out there.

>>34488077

It's a very cute story so far, a good mix of slice of life and ADVENTURE

>>34488808
Hey! It doesn't have to be kingdom building. It can be a roving band of elite spider warriors striking fear in the hearts of men and monsters! Reminding them of the folly of crossing the forest covenant!

We getgud with a bow and I'm reasonbly sure we can pull off a mongol horde type set up. Silk bows, eight legged cavalry, harpy scouts, moth powdered arrows. We Khan do it.

>>34488912
I'm actually really liking the idea of being huge and carrying Sara with us like Master Blaster.

>>34489106
But.. how will we ever find Huge love? Also Huge means we have HUGE GUTS. I don't want to be ripped and teared.

>>34489145
>love
Are we going to meet cute spider-boys someday?

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>Google search for Giant Red Trapdoor Spider

http://www.petbugs.com/caresheets/Liphistius-sp.html

SURPRISE, MOTHERFUCKER

>>34489180
We had better. Spider boys exist, and we have spider neighbors.
We just haven't gone and met them because, well, spider territories are individually quite large, and we have mandated maximum-population-density laws as per the concord.

Alright, I'm back, and my space bar is now 100% functional.
Instead of 400% functional, or however many spaces that piece of crap would shoot out if I didn't tap it perfectly.
Gimme a d10 while I start writing!

Rolled 5 (1d10)

>>34489260
I guess he went out and bought a whole new one!

Rolled 5 (1d10)

>>34489260

Rolled 3 (1d10)

>>34489260
I think our earth control should help us be a burrowing or trapdoor spider.

Rolled 5 (1d10)

>>34489260

>>34489307
We can't really do it without sarasupport, mind you.

>>34489284
>>34489294
>>34489314
So many 5's

>>34489307
We could use the magic as an increased defence with stone skin. Could be our rechargeable shield.

>>34489415
Does that mean theres 3 of the enemy?

>>34489227
This could work. I'm not entirely for the Silk shoppe... but I could totally see us behind the counter half under the store pulling a, "Sure! Just let me take your measurements!~ *SNAG DRAG INTO BURROW* various spider leg twistings and rollings plop them back out.

>>34489229
We have a delicious shoulder harpy. We need no boys.
(also moth is probably tasty.)

>>34489528
I demand spider boys. And cute village boys.

>>34489560
Jin a best.

>>34489492
To be honest, I imagined it was more elle's shop.
We just sort of helped out with measurements and occasionally went out to do bruiser things.

>>34489621
She'll be our wing-girl while we go out talking to boys.
And vice versa, though the joke is lost.

I know what one our goals can be, find a way back to Earth and find the asshole who push us in front of a train and then eat them.

>>34489681
>Jin: You must agree to go out with my friend. She is kind, humorous, and can tear the door of this inn off its hinges!

>>34489889
Jin is great

>>34489889
Don't forget all the advertising of how large we are. She does that a lot.

>>34489889
It's because were too big to fit into the inn.

>>34489889
I fear she is the only one who will accept our HUGE.

>>34489910
>She is also the biggest, she could swallow you whole
>You will court her, yes?

>>34490136
Pish posh, all sorts of people are into that kind of thing.

>>34490147
From outside, you hear muffled protestations that she isn't that big.

>>34490189
YEAH I MEAN It'D TAKE LIKE THREE BITES NOT ONE!

>>34489910
No one's BIG like Ly-ra!
No one's CUTE like Ly-ra!
No one's HUGS as incredibly strong as Ly-ra!

There's no woman in town half as mighty
Perfect, a pure paragon
You can ask any Tom, Dick or Stanley
And they'll tell you whose bed they prefer to be on

>>34490434
Welp. This is now canon to me.
Harpies are the best hypemen.

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>>34490434

You are credit to team.

>>34490470
>>34490568
No one fights like Lyra
Douses lights like Lyra
In a wrestling match nobody bites like Lyra
For there's no one as burly and brawny
As you see I've got biceps to spare
Not a bit of her's scraggly or scrawny
(That's right!)
Not ev'ry last inch of her up to her hair!

You leave your sisters to their pursuits: Magical research and being in far too much pain to move. Dropping down to the forest floor with ease, you pick an interesting direction and head off, keeping your pace even and your legs quiet.

You follow the sun, skittering through the trees to the thicker parts of the forest. The air grows quiet, thick with the scent of old growth- Months worth of leaves, dim sunlight, and whatever soft breeze manages to penetrate the wood. Your path becomes quickly complicated, forcing you over and around when trees grow too tight for you to fit.

As you travel further, the trees grow twisted, leafless, choking each other from sun and water. The stench of decay grows omnipresent, heavy. You reach the edge of the broken forest, and find yourself in a swamp.

Murky water laps at the shore before you- a twisting, fetid river winding its way through scraggly trees. You pick your way through the undergrowth, trying to pick scents here or there of something living. Time passes without any luck- aside from a growing sensation trickling down your spine.

You draw to a halt, sidling into the cover of the trees, and wait- Something is definitely following you. Putting your attention to the tremors of the ground, you can feel the soft footfalls- 5 sets, with a heavy thump accompanying 3 of them. You pull yourself up the tree, crouching in the cover of the hanging branches, and ready your weapon.

You don't have to wait long. A sharp snap of brittle wood is followed by a short chorus of angry hissing- familiar hissing. You narrow all six of your eyes, baring your teeth in the shadow of the tree. A small party of lizards file into the clearing, noses searching this way and that for your scent.

There's two of the standard kind- stubby legged, long limbed, and armed with crude blades. The third has a crocodile skull tied to its head, brightly coloured feathers sticking off the back. A curled staff, topped with a brilliant gemstone is clutched in one hand, and a ragged cloak is wrapped around its shoulders. It's hard to repress a snicker. Is this supposed to be some sort of lizard adventuring party?

The final two clear the treeline, and immediately grab your attention. They stand head and shoulders over their brothers, heavily scaled, with longer legs and heavyset arms. Both have heavier weapons- thick wedges of rivermetal that resemble cleavers more than swords. The first of the giants snarls at the smaller lizard, reaching out and clipping it alongside the head. It makes frantic gestures of pacification, hissing all the while.

They were hunting you- tracking you. Whether they intended to kill you, or follow you back to the nest doesn't matter. You bite down a snarl, grip tightening on the spear. You feel your blood rise up, heart pounding. You step forward, branch bowing under your weight, and position yourself above the mage.

There's a slow motion moment, perfect in it's clarity. The branch bows further, the leaves on the vines dipping closer, trailing across the mages shoulder. He swats irritably at the string, turning to face the tree.

He looks up.

His eyes widen, mouth opening to shout a warning, a scream, a curse. You release your hold on the tree, dropping onto him spear first, skewering the mage and landing amidst your stalkers. The others turn to face you, disbelief, confusion and fear writ across their reptilian features.

>>34491268
One of the giant lizards reacts immediately, an overhand chop hurtling towards your head. You step in, catching its arm with your free hand- a squeeze and a sharp twist rewards you with a vicious crunch of shattering bone. Its hiss turns high pitched and you yank it towards you, throwing to the ground and running the creature through with both legs- It gurgles, kicking twice before slumping down onto the muddy shore.

Turning on the remaining lizardmen with a snarl, you ready your spear again, advancing menacingly. One of the lizards staggers back, turning tail and diving into the murky water. The giant stares, jaw hanging as it watches the creature flee- You take advantage of the distraction, lunging forwards, a two handed swing tearing the head clear off the last lizard.

The blood spatters across the giants frame, and it turns to face you as you close in. You parry its final attempt, flipping its arm out and away from its body, slamming your spear home and bearing it to the ground. It flails as you stand over it, delivering a few short stabs as its struggles slow.

You stand in a blood smeared clearing, atop the bodies of your enemies. You aren't even breathing hard, though your heart thumps heavily as you wind down from combat.

>Pack up the bodies. You can eat well, even if they aren't all that tasty.
>Loot. Loot is good.
>Stash the bodies- There's gotta be something to hunt around here. Maybe even a challenge?
>Other (?)

>>34491307
loot the bodies then use them as bait to find something bigger

>>34491307
>Loot. Loot is good.
Loot comes first. Rivermetal is great for us.
After that,
>Stash the bodies- There's gotta be something to hunt around here. Maybe even a challenge?
We came out here to hunt something big and tasty looking. By gum we'll find something big and tasty looking.
Though maybe a swamp is the wrong place for that.

>>34491307
>>Loot. Loot is good.
>Stash the bodies- There's gotta be something to hunt around here. Maybe even a challenge?
Stash it away for now and see if we can't pick up something tasty

>>34491307

>Loot. Loot is good.

Sweet delicious river metal. Also magic toys.

>Stash the bodies- There's gotta be something to hunt around here. Maybe even a challenge?

>>34491307
>Stash the bodies- There's gotta be something to hunt around here. Maybe even a challenge?

>>34491482
Magic shit for Sara, noice

>>34491307
>>Loot. Loot is good.
>>Stash the bodies- There's gotta be something to hunt around here. Maybe even a challenge?

>>34491307
>loot
>use the bodies as bait for something bigger

>>34491508

Possibly. Though if one is effectively a mana battery we've got dibs.

>>34491307
>Loot. Loot is good.
>Stash the bodies- There's gotta be something to hunt around here. Maybe even a challenge?

Maybe use the lizard bodies as bait?

>>34491807
Maybe they'll attract something cool, who knows.
The important thing is we got more rivermetal. Which we can use for all sorts of things.

Bait and loot then. Gimme 2d100 and a quick vote:
>Swamp Fishing
or
>Clearing Trap

Rolled 57, 98 = 155 (2d100)

>>34491892
>Clearing Trap

Rolled 5, 35 = 40 (2d100)

>>34491892
>Clearing Trap

Catch a gigantic croc/aligattor? They can be found reliably in swamps, I'm told.

Rolled 94, 77 = 171 (2d100)

>>34491892
>Clearing Trap

Rolled 84, 90 = 174 (2d100)

>>34491892
Both of these are things I wanted to try at some point.
Let's try picking some kind of big fish out.
>Swamp Fishing

Rolled 23, 30 = 53 (2d100)

>>34491892
Clearing Trap

>>34491892
>Swamp Fishing

We must fight the anacongator

Lets hide in a bush and wait then.

>>34492195
With a bit more webbing, but yes.
Heck, we could just hide above the clearing with our fancy webness.

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>>34492195
Who in this swamp would be foolish enough to respond to such obvious bait?

That was... disappointing, to be honest. The tension being hunted kinda vanished a soon as you realized you were capable of crushing bones one handed. You huck the bodies into a pile, pulling bit and pieces of loot free- a small pile of rivermetal, and the mage's staff managed to survive your trampling. You wrap them all, tucking them behind you as you work.

Bodies are wrapped, thrown up the tree, and you drag the mangled corpse of the little lizard with you, searching for an empty clearing. Maybe you can find something worth hunting.

It isn't much work to hang the monster upside down in the clearing, and you settle in the heavy brush lining the empty space. Now it's just a matter of waiting.

It takes a few hours to get a halfway decent bite- a few small wolf-like creatures, a filthy gnome and some sort of carnivorous rabbit make passes at the bait, but a hiss from you sends them scurrying for the swamp. You begin to doze, a half awake state of focus.

You snap out of it as a loud snuffling echoes around the trees- and what steps into the clearing looks like it's from some children's imagination. It's less a monster and more a comedic mash-up of animals. You'd laugh if your senses hadn't all keyed up as soon as it made it's presence known.

The creature is nearly as tall as you are, while on all fours- It's got a shaggy coat over its shoulders, and scaled claws. A ridge of spines runs down its back, and the whole thing is topped with a squat, bearlike head with a pair of monstrous tusks and a flat nose. It snorts and walks towards the body- You can see the flex of its absurd musculature even through the fur.

Your breath slows as you raise up, readying yourself to fight. It spots you immediately, issuing a bears bassy roar. You level your spear and head on a collision course with the beast.

>>34492983
Your first stab skitters of its hide like the creature was wearing armour- And it's immediate counter is so fierce you can feel the wake of its passing,even as you narrowly sidestep it.

The beast lowers its head, charging you hard, flinging it's tusks side to side as it tries to impale you- It catches at your shirt, tearing through it and dragging you a couple steps as it goes. In response, you spin your glaive around, wielding its spike like a pick, hammering at joints with all the strength you can muster- The bloodthirsty roar of an enraged monster answers your success.

You circle each other, you reared back to keep you human half out of it's reach, and it favouring one side- You drove the spike into its shoulder, and the creature is in definite pain.

The sharp clarity you felt facing the wolf is back- You're riding the edge of life and death. Blood sings in your veins, and you ready your weapon...

>Bait a charge
>Circle and wait for an opportunity
>Start readying some webbing
>Other (?)

Good plans mean more dice. I'll ask for rolls after the vote.

>>34493011
>Bait a charge

Keep to it's wounded side. Hamstring it.

>>34493011
>>Start readying some webbing
Let's get running around it in a circle and laying web.
We'll trip it up in the ol' hogtie classic.

>>34493011
>Start readying some webbing
We aim a glop of webbing at its face. If it gets the eyes, it can't see. If it gets the mouth, it can't bite.
That will give us an opportunity to attack its joints again; joints, by necessity, have thinner armor and by reducing mobility, make it easier for us to dodge and get in attacks.

>>34493011
>Circle and wait for an opportunity
Focus on attacking it's hurt side and see if we can't lay down some triplines like Mom was doing to us before, see if we can't get it tripped up, although I am worried about how easily he tore our shirt

>>34493128
>>34493130
Is webbing going to slow it down though? The thing is huge

>>34493011
>Circle and lay some webbing.
>Spit some venom on our blade.

Just drop some sticky threads as we circle it. Once it becomes encumbered, go for a vulnerable spot like we have been.

>>34493011
> Circle and wait for an opportunity
Try to climb on it's back, where it (hopefully) can't reach you, or lead it on achase through the trees while you string up some webs to slow it down

>>34493011
>Bait a charge

>>34493145
Spider silk is STRONK. If we lay sticky threads that cling to its limbs, it'll be good and snared.

>>34493011

>>34493164 This is me, I'd like to second
>>34493150 <- this venom idea.

>>34493150
>Venom
Nice idea

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>>34493208
Yeah so long as it never turns out like pic.

>>34493208
Could our fangs even pierce it's hide? Might as well try.

>>34493266
It looked cool though

>>34493011
>Heavy fourlegged things can't turn very fast. Use mom's sneaky spider style to web ourself an escape line to tug us just far enough out of the way of the charge, then strike it in the side.
If we can destroy a hip joint with our glaive we can finish it off more easily since it won't be able to rear up or charge again.

>>34493380
Well yeah and if we put the spear through it's eye socket it'll die.

Counting!

Venom is go-
But we're tied between circling and webbing.
Please respond with a link to this post and a number.
>1 Ready Webbing
>2 Circle and wait for an opportunity
>3 Circle while laying webbing on the ground

>>34493615
3

>>34493615
3

>>34493615
3

>>34493615
>>3 Circle while laying webbing on the ground

>>34493615
3

>>34493615
3

>>34493615
3

Hehe. Moms gonna be pretty surprised when we bring home dinner

Okay then.
3d100, please.

What a close vote

>>34493615
3

Rolled 2, 40, 26 = 68 (3d100)

>>34493734

Rolled 88, 43, 78 = 209 (3d100)

>>34493734

Rolled 39, 87, 98 = 224 (3d100)

>>34493734
Let's see here

Rolled 8 (1d100)

>>34493734

Rolled 61, 44, 50 = 155 (3d100)

>>34493734

>>34493734
dice+3d100

Rolled 53, 54, 46 = 153 (3d100)

>>34493734
there you go
>>34493732
I feel kind of bad about the dinner we are bringing home.
It looks ugly and probably gross to eat.
I'll eat it anyway, but boo.

>>34493779
Dude its huge. Taste at that point is irrelevant it's a continued remind to the others of our dominance as best child.

>>34493761
>>34493766
>88, 87, 98
Jesus, we've been rolling really well today.

>>34493779
At this point I just want to show off

>>34493802
Lyra always rolls really well when it's about killing shit

>>34493800
Darnit anon, I wanted something tasty!

>>34493817
Just kind of good in general. Have we even had any actual instances of bad rolls yet?
Writing.

>>34493862
Sub-par when we do magic or weaving, it varies but we've never rolled badly in combat

>>34493836
Chill, we haven't even tasted it yet. Could be fucking delicious for all we know.

I can't wait to see the look on everyones faces when we bring our haul back.

Hey guys, I got dinner. And breakfast. And tomorrows lunch.
Also, Sara, I got you a magic staff and some other stuff I looted from a mage.

Got more rivermetal too.

>>34493862
We cannot into magics

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Guys.

Earth brings to mind Mountains, Giants-no TITANS of Earth.

What is a name for a giant, and also happens to be a Spider?

Goliath.

Goliath Birdeater to be precise.

Even if our lower body doesn't become that of the Birdeater, which is the size of a big-ass dinner plate spread out, we will become the HUEGEST.

Like, capable of just digging our own entrances into sunken underground ruins and stuff with a few minutes of effort Hueg.

>>34494346
I don't imagine we'll get that huge.
Just doesn't seem likely.

>>34494346
Why would you want to be that big? It would be horribly impractical. There would be so many places we can't go, so many things we can't do.

And any social interactions would be a struggle at best.

>>34494430

Hueg + Earth magic means we can just will ourselves an entrance, or dig it out, or just crush it out right.

Or, if we are competent enough, sink into the ground and shift about like the Zerg, or Graboids or some shit with only a portion of ourselves on top of the earth, like the front two pairs of legs and our torso.

>>34494391

We met the Forestwalker, who is Hueg beyond reckoning.

>>34494470
That guy wasn't huge beyond reckoning.
We was just quite large in comparison to us.

You match your opponent turn for turn, a dancing spiral as you both close and threaten each other before pulling back. You let the glaive slide in your grip, choking up and bringing the blade to your mouth. It's a simple matter to spit your venom down onto the blade, the clear mixture of saliva and toxin coating the spike.

You retreat a half step as the monster takes a half hearted swing, speeding a little to force it into a sharp turn on its injured side. It snarls, bearing tooth and tusk alike as you move. You start stepping in and out as you move, laying a layer of webbing into the grass.

You continue on, spiraling closer to the bear-monster as you go, it steps back, turning to face you- and stumbles, web catching at its hind legs. It braces itself, roaring as it tears free of your web- But you move again, racing to its injured side.

It twists viciously to face you, but it can't support the motion on the wounded limb- The leg crumples and you strike, slamming your spiked weapon down onto its good shoulder, driving home point and poison alike. The bear shoves forward on its hind legs, snapping its fearsome jaws as it carves a furrow across the clearing, but free of the risk of mauling you're no longer guarding.

You leap atop it's back, legs punching shallow holes into its hide as you seek a foothold. You raise your glaive overhead driving it down over and over- The beasts skull is far thicker than its hide. You work at it like you were mining, driving your weapon deeper till it punches through with a wet crack, the whole creature spasming and falling limp.

>>34494470
With our inability to draw in mana, that will never be an option. Even if our Earth magic wasn't as limited as it is, being stupidly huge would still limit us.

Want to enter that building? Well, you can't. Your options are level it or wait out side.

Want to cross the sea? Good luck finding a boat that can take you.

Want to have any sort of social interaction without people that don't already know you? Maybe one will stop running and screaming long enough to hear you out. Maybe.

>>34494637
You step off the body, clothes torn and veritably covered in spatters of blood, an arcing spray coating your front in a red more vibrant than your shell.

Bundling the creature is an adventure all its own, wrapping it in a tight layer of silk and dragging it over your hindquarters. You're going to have to leave a few lizards behind- the bear is even heavier than it looked. You stagger away, weighed down by your victory.

It's going to be a long trip home.

>Thanks for playing!
>That's it for the evening. Next thread will be monday- I've got the holiday, so anywhere between 12 and 2 PM EST.
>Questions, comments and concerns answered while I'm in thread.


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Archive:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Re-Monster
or
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>>34494689
Thanks for running, boss.

>>34494637
Welp clearly we need to have a bit of a nibble then bind it up and slide it on home.

>>34494346
>Goliath Birdeater
>Birdeater
Must resist..urge to make..lewd jokes.

Seriously though, I'd rather not get too much bigger than we are now.

>>34494689
Thanks for running.

>>34494667

It's not like being a regular Adult Arachne doesn't make that impossible anyway.

Jeeze, our Mother couldn't fit inside the ruins of the ancient civilization that one of our kind was QUEEN of, you think a primarily human-dominated(Ha) world makes it any more likely that even if were a SMALL Arachne that we could get around?

>>34494689
Thanks for running dude.

>>34494689
I like our web-coccoon ways. Best method of catch carrying.

Thanks for running! See you, uh... sometime monday!

Rolled 97, 94, 89 = 280 (3d100)

>>34494689
Dam, what a waste of good lizard. Should of eaten them.

>>34494689
Fun thread REQM, see you next time

>>34494740
Eh, they're in a swamp.
NOTHING goes to waste in a swamp.
They'll be turned into new horrible swamp creatures inside of the week.

>>34494689
Thanks for the thread, see you Monday.

Don't forget our loot. That mage staff is for our favourite sister!

Maybe eat a lizard before we head back. Otherwise, we'll just get hungry on the trip back.

>>34494729

To be fair, The Queen was either fuckmassive beyond reckoning, or Was ridiculously hugely magical.

>Further evolutions are largely undocumented, though the arachne's own legends reference a queen 'With a body of stone, whose steps shook mountains'. Whether this is a reference to magic, or to an advanced evolution is unknown.

This is what we should work towards.

>>34494836

Get working on applying semi-permanent stone-skin using the magic of the Earth itself, got it.

>>34494729
>There's effectively no difference between being large and being titan-sized

We can probably still squeeze through any doorway that isn't unusually narrow at this size, that ruined passageway was extremely narrow at points.

A boat could still hold us at this size.

People might at least be willing to give us a chance in our current size/shape.

>>34494836
I'd really prefer not to, and that seems like it was just as likely to be a very powerful magical spell rather than an evolution.

>>34494859
Yeah, I like the way we are so far. It's real nice. We might get a little bigger, but mountains and stuff is probably not likely.
Especially with our magic problems.

Rolled 36, 19, 96 = 151 (3d100)

>>34494859
We still slightly smaller then our mother, but we are going to grow slightly more in this form.

We are already a large cumbersome spider indoors. Might as well get some extra size to our advantage.

>>34494729
Agreed.
No mana? Bring Sara.

Doorway's too small? Get the humans to make a new one on pain of getting eaten.

Want to cross the sea? Hire a shipwright. And by shipwright I mean threaten to eat a shipwright.

Want to make ALL OF THE FRIENDS? They can't run if we're faster than them.

>>34494729
Spidermom couldn't fit through the small, partially collapsed entrance of the ancient tunnels. That doesn't really mean anything.

Social interactions are completely possible. Our kind have decent relations with Elves and Dwarves. Relations with Humans are more strained, but not out of the question.

If we were fucking Spiderzilla, that would be a lot different. That's just stupidly huge.

>>34494814
>>34494770
>>34494740
>>34494739
>>34494730
>>34494723
>>34494701
>>34494699
Thanks for playing. Ill run a note up on twitter when I start writing my the OP.

>>34494954
Yeah, this.
I imagine us getting quite large. But not fucking spiderzilla.

We might get as big as, say, a house. At largest. by my vague guesstimates.

>>34494859

It would be more unusual to find a door that would allow us to cross through it comfortably.

Hell, a regular harpy / human door would probably require us to enter it side ways and pressing our human half forward to get through without being VERY UNCOMFORTABLE, I am basing this on the fact that our shoulder Harpy can sleep on our back comfortably, and she is, supposedly, just on the short side of average.

>>34494938
I'd rather be a large cumbersome spider indoors than not be able to go indoors.

>>34494948
Sara isn't infinite mana.

They won't want anything to do with you after that, and it might endanger the structural integrity of the building in question, depending.

Boats don't work that way.

They won't want to be friends with the giant angry monster that just chased them down.

>>34495001
I don't think Evolved Forest Arachne even get that big, and I still think it's 2huge.

>>34495043
>still 2huge
Well, I meant at the VERY BIGGEST.
Like, if we got all the huge evolutions.
I'd rather work on other things though, like ability to spin webs gud.

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>>34495001
>not wanting to be a glorious mountainspider

>>34495032
Yes, that would be more or less what I said.

What part of 'squeeze through' made you think I meant we'd get through it comfortably?

>>34495083
>Wanting to have an unnecessarily cumbersome form

>>34495075
I'd rather focus on anything other than size, mainly because it's completely useless.

>>34495083
I'd much rather be a moderately large spider who has all sorts of web knick knacks and maybe a hot air balloon.

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>>34495043

But forest Arachne rarely evolve more than to the "Widow" state because they prefer to stay near home / in the less dangerous parts of the forest.

We are just a few weeks old and have already evolved, something that took our mother YEARS to do, and there are vastly more evolutions as said by the QM and the general lore of the setting, as we are already kitted out to be a Shocktrooper / Guardian Arachne, we will more than likely evolve bigger and badder, more reach, greater defense, greater offense.


Hell, I wouldn't be surprised is further evolutions ended up giving us those pincers that this fucker has so we can wreck people even harder.

>>34495221

>is further evolutions ended up giving us those pincers that this fucker has

Jesus Christ I need to hit the bed, words are starting to run together and my brain is pudding.

>>34495221
I just don't see us getting bigger, so much as getting denser, stronger and generally more invincible while remaining roughly the same size.

Those pincers would be kinda badass, assuming they're a straight upgrade to the melee capabilities of our front set of legs.

>>34495221
We already have a scorpion girl quest guys. I would favor hugespider or magespider evolutions because of fun roleplay from the former and powergaming from the latter.

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>>34495221

>Beef up the back legs so we can rear back on them, blade and armor them too because bucking and extra support
>first set of legs crushed and tears enemy apart
>second set of legs are extremely long and segmented, so they can be both fine manipulator appendages, spears / lances, and fucking blades whips if we so desire
>All of this in addition to our upper body getting stronger and able to use a variety of weapons and other things.

Combine this thing with us setting web traps, using our Halberd and possibly a shield if we get strong enough to one-hand it, and we would be a fucking Nightmare in any environment.

>Dude blocks a strike from the halberd and rolls out of range of the crushing "Teeth" legs
>One of the second-set of legs straightens out and rushed forward and impales him like a lance.

Damn son.

>>34495409
I'd like to stick to spider, surely.

>>34494967
Gentle reminder to archive

>>34495409
Desert Arachne are the only ones that evolve into Scorpion girls.
Don't try to use that as an argument to not get pincers, especially since the picture shows they aren't necessarily a scorpion thing.

I'd prefer any evolution that isn't just 'a bigger spider', since that seems not only mostly useless, but an active detriment in many scenarios.

>>34495706

Besides, it's Plain spiders that grow REALLY fuckhueg, no matter how many times we get bigger, there is a plains-spider, somewhere, that has probably gotten bigger.

Unless we Hyper-evolve beyond all reason, that is.

Hmm...I wonder if Sara is as small as a Mountain spider...

>>34495754
>Implying we won't pierce the heavens with our glaive
>Implying the mountains won't tremble with our step

>>34495868
He might be implying it, but I'm stating it.
We won't, ever. We don't get to choose our evolutions and unusual size isn't characteristic of our species.
It's not going to happen.

Aren't really, really big spiders elastic in some way?

Like, I know there is a spider in Australia that you step directly on it's abdomen and it'll be perfectly fine as long as you don't squash it completely flat.

So we COULD get really big and really armored, but our bodies structure would allow it to squeeze through a lot of smaller spaces that should not be possible.

That's probably a further evolution though..a supplemental one made for counter-acting the disabilities that heavy combat oriented evolutions like our current one possess.

>>34495947
>>34495989
Just need to fulfill the conditions, do big spider things, and be flexible.

>>34496026
I'd rather just not do that and continue being a useful and fun character.

It also solves none of the damn problems, what's the point of getting through a door if you take up all the space on the other side?

We'd still weigh the same and be the same size, so people and boats are just as much of a problem as before.

Not to mention, we're already on the defensive warrior path, that means we'll probably get a heavily-armored shell next evolution and sacrificing that for no good reason is phenomenally stupid.

>>34495989

Are you talking about that burrowed spider that had half it's backside smushed inwards because someone stepped on it, and it then started running around trying to get away with a perfectly flat ass that had shoe engravings on it with absolutely no problems?

I've SEEN that picture but never saved it.

>>34496026
Variant evolutions tend to have thematic conditions required to unlock them.
We have the blessing since we fulfilled it's three conditions, not because we fulfilled *a* condition.
We'd be a rubber spider or a big spider, and I doubt 'be flexible' counts as a condition.
There's also nothing that counts as a 'big spider thing' that isn't just as much, if not moreso, a 'warrior spider' thing.

>>34496091

We don't necessarily have to sacrifice defence / armor for flexibility anon.

We might be able to get a segmented carapace, or like anon said, very elastic in nature carapace.

I might, it IS a magical setting, and we ARE a magical creature, our shell could be as hard as diamonds, and be both rigid and flexible depending on what we need it to be.

>>34496091
I know what you mean, but I'm sort of tired of arguing at this point.
I don't want to be super big, for sure.

>>34496198
We just have to think big thoughts. And focus on our gains. "Rubber spider" brings horrible thoughts to mind though...

>>34496201
We kind of do, anon. That choice you present clearly indicates it's either flexibility or more defense.

I also can't think of a single creature with an armored shell which remains flexible.

From what I know of the setting (namely what parts of the LN have been translated and a few posts about it on other sites) would indicate that, while magical, the setting still follows a set of well-defined rules and boundaries.

Just because they aren't *our* rules, doesn't mean it isn't still a clearly defined system with a definite set of boundaries.

>>34496274
None of those are conditions for a second evolution.

Seriously, from what I know of RE:Monster, the conditions just get more and more ridiculous for higher evolution rare variants.

Higher tier evolutions also usually result in changing species entirely, especially if they're rare variants.

The second thing is also definitely firmly in the warrior spider category anyways.