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>>34456843

First for the first Legion, and for a Terminator from the 1st Company!

I think The Entombed are about as fleshed-out as they are gonna get.

I'm toying with the idea of making them loyalist Rubric Marines: The Life Bringers virus somehow purged all flesh from their bones, but something or someone has kept them animate. Within the armour of The Entombed are nothing but bones.

This is, of course, an extremely well kept secret.

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>>34456858

And a couple more because meh why not. Done by a friend because

>implying I can into hobby

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time cannot break the stone; only weather it

>>34456863
Well, you could expand on their cast. Successor Chapters are a no-go, but there must be a few important figures other than the Primarch.

>>34456863
Then again, they have tons of Apothecaries. If they're skeletons, what are the Apothecaries gonna do?

>>34456876
That's pretty amazing.

>>34456880
I like that idea. I was thinking that since the second thread.

>>34456880
I'm running out of tomb puns though

>>34456885
>If they're skeletons, what are the Apothecaries gonna do?

Convince passing Inquisitors that they're not skeletons?

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I've gotta go for a while brothers. See you in a few hours when I'm back. Good luck, and may the Emperor watch over you all. (except for the traitor ones like me)

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>>34456896

That does sound pretty grave

>>34456896
so, you could say you're all dried up?

>>34456876
Do you want to be you know actually put in the list?
I always liked the legion, and i think many others did too.
We have said you can put yourself in and start fluffing shit up with everyone...

Has anyone got any problems with the Bulwark being renamed slightly?

>>34456885
Why not have the Life Bringers virus have destroyed your legions ability to survive outside of a special environment, only replicable by their modified armour, and their space ships. So not skeletons, but kind of fragile to the environment?
Like how some immune system compromised patients in hospitals are put into quarantine where nothing from the outside is allowed in without decontamination, or the patient could die..

>>34456896
Mausolos, Tumulus... OK, it is hard.

>>34456934
That's pretty cool. The Entombed are in permanent quarantine. They only leave their armour while in their fortress monestary or on a battle barge. No non-Entombed has seen the face of an Entombed since Istvaan V

>>34456934
"Bulwark" really doesn't fit my idea of a legion name, so go ahead.

>>34456913
>>34456918
I bet you guys have been dying to use those!

>>34456896
Why not start on names of death gods and crypt related creatures/names/titles/objects...

>>34456876

Seriously, that picture is amazing. Love it.

>>34456934

Give them a Legion name, but then have them call themselves The Bulwark post-Heresy, to show they've fully broken from the Imperium

>>34456958
Good idea. I'll come up with The Entombed's leadership in a bit

>>34456934
I'm on the 1d4chan page, but not in some of the charts
it's almost canon at this point that everyone forgets about us

>>34456975
aren't you a forgotten, lost legion, trolling the skies for enemies, showing up when all hope is lost?

Hmm so we've established that Gaspard and Void are pretty much rivals. Istvaan V happened, as well a place called the Crucible and then the battle of Terra. Did you guys want to try and make up one more big battle?

>>34456982
or is that the Stone Men

>>34456975
i haven't, although I guess my legion is all about knowing secrets and shit, so I guess that explains it.

Canon can be rewritten though - Start setting up some relationships with the other primarch/anons. Theres more than a handful of legions that have been apparently abandoned by their creators, so if you have something substantial to inject, you can just slot in and replace them...

Unlessof course you *want* to be a forgotten legion, expunged etc just functioning as our AU's Legion of the Damned, but Stone themed instead of flamey (cos theres already loads of flames)?

I really like the quotes you throw out like >>34456876 this. Very serious and stoic, like stone.

>>34456975

Come back Stonebros! I want you on the wiki, you're awesome

>>34456989
>Did you guys want to try and make up one more big battle?

yeah - i think we need to - BUT it needs to include the legions that *aren't* already taking part in the other battles, otherwise its like a few are doing everything while everyone else just sits around idle.

>>34456996
yeah, forgot my name tag
>their current whereabouts are unknown
>it is most likely they are somewhere at the edge of the galaxy
>the object they pursued is yet to be discovered, and theories range from a lost eldar craftworld, to a necron tomb, even a surviving men of iron colony
>they have been officially dismissed from duty, but no attempts to seek them out have been carried out, nor will they probably ever
>all we know for sure is that somewhere they remain, seeking out the enemies of the imperium before even we can find them

>>34457049
then change it anon - theres a edit button on the wiki page. Go for it!

>>34457048

Well who on the wiki isn't doing anything? Let's list them here and assign them something

So, who here is in charge of preventing this from becoming "My Little Primarch: Duels Are Magic!"

I would be I have to go soon, maybe if nobody did I can give a try.

>>34456843
> didn't put the links in the OP

You are just the worst.

Google Doc info: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TAl_Rh3q0UR3cqX6Pbn-4TnB87BS-GrFrax-ErtOL2E/edit

1d4chan Page: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_Heresy

You guys need to take this more seriously.

>>34457048
the stone men made themselves notable by stopping a warp storm through sheer stubbornness and will
they coined it the "threshold technique"
this was probably somwhere in the segnum obscurus

>>34457062
Falcus Cobalt and the Lizard Feet are inactive. The latter has been mostly cut as they never came back from the first thread - so slot yourself in there Onyx and go to town - you should be involved in this new battle everyone is talking about making up.

>>34457048
>>34457062

I was thinking the next battle could be some system close to Terra, where the traitors have begun performing rituals to open portals to bring in daemon reinforcements.

Any other ideas?

>>34456989
I don't want to seem like an ass, but I really have no idea what the Crusaders are doing. The wiki page says they're on Terra but nobody so far has mentioned their role in the battle or anything. If they've been moved from Terra then I'm okay with that if they're a part of this one more big battle.

>>34457152

Honestly I don't know what the annihilators are doing either. A bunch of the other legions and events seem pretty set in stone already so I figured it would be better if we made a new event or two to cover the legions that were left out

>>34457152
>>34457188
yeah thats the trouble when everyone adding to the fluff is active at different times - previous anons set stuff in stone and leave the anons who have just returned out of the loop, even though I've been here since the start I have to kind of push to get my Legion involved in anything..

I say we make a few new battles - and Terra should be expanded - we have more legions, it only makes sense there are more legions on Terra and nearby.

Pretty sure nobody has any idea about anything here except for making up duels with each other and doing the equivalent of Hello Cupid for Primarchs.

We don't have fully fleshed out Legions but people are already deciding who kills who, who is best friends with who, and who has epic beef with who

How about this

>Battle of Alpha Centauri

Warned of Hektor's treachery, a Legion volunteers to station themselves on Alpha Centauri to spring a trap upon the heretic forces when they enter the Sol system and attack them from the rear. Hektor learns of this through HANDWAVIUM EX MACHINA and instead dispatches a Traitor Legion to do battle.

Leaders of The Entombed, in order of rank.

Lord Undertaker
Erebus is second only to Golgothos himself. He commands the Apothecaries of The Entombed, known as Undertakers. Erebus is stoic, grim, and utterly unforgiving of casualties.

High Chaplain
Mausolos believes with every fiber of his being that human are gods, sent to purge the galaxy of xeno filth. He takes the skull of every slain xeno as an enemy, grinds it to dust, and makes this dust into a paint with which he coats his holy terminator armour. As such, his armour is a chilling bone white.

Master of the Tombs
Caircroft is tasked with the maintenance of the many Dreadnoughts of the Entombed. He is also in charge of The Catacombs, the fortress monastery of The Entombed which serves as a reliquary for the remains of their dead battle-brothers. He is melancholy and prone to fatalism.

>>34457127
Well if you need serious juju then my marines are on it. It would also fit into their method of fighting. On Terra into the undercuts and begin opening portals there. The demons would erupt up from under the loyalists.

>>34457237
haha okay - how would you go about fleshing out a legion past its methods and a bit of its history?

I swear to god if you say statlines I will find you and stab you.

But I'm open to hearing about other things - I'm working on the Bulwark atm, have some interesting shit to do with their legion so extra ideas helps.

>>34457221


I say we expand Terra into 2, maybe 3 battles.
The battle of Terra itself and the battle of Mars are given. Maybe we can have another big battle around like Saturn and its moons or something?

>>34457251

Way too early for all that. Both literally and figuratively.

>>34457280
*slip into *undercity
Sorry fellas I'm on my my phone.

>>34457285
Statlines.

Seriously, for one many of those legions need a very basic tthing, A HOMEWORLD, of course that imply their creators has any idea of the history of their Primarch.

>>34457237
>>34457285
Well I'll be gone again for some time so I'll be cooking my legion up while I'm away.

I have returned my brothers- Jesus fuck you guys got busy.

>>34457360
At this point I really have no Idea what's going on

>>34457152
Crusaders should be away from Terra and most of the Heresy battles, as they will become the baseline legion that sired the most successors afterwards. Probably lured away or distracted by somebody, possibly Mastodontii leading them on a chase across the galaxy but mostly because Mastodontii need some engagements.

Also, I'm back. Should probably figure out where Johannes Vrach fits in terms of relationships with other primarchs. Probably on friendly terms with Rogerius Merrill due to their shared interest in research, Inferox due to similarity in methods of warfare (a relationship which nudged Johannes towards more extreme warfare and, eventually, Chaos) and Arelex Orannis, whom he regarded as one of the wisest primarchs. Not on speaking terms with Thomas Gaudin and Bohemond, who both consider the Life Bringers genosidal maniacs after witnessing them in battle.

>>34457287
We could have a space battle over Titan or something.

>>34457370
Or first you could give your legion an actual Homeworld and story for their Primarch.

no?

>>34457370
I return!
I do have something down for you Johannes.
Pre-Heresy, sort of colleagues in the field of Medicae with differing and opposing opinions.
Post-Heresy, Aubrey all but abanadons the thought of his tops being medically trained and leaves it to Sorcerers to use Arcane healings.

>>34457305
yeah my legions homeworld I've been working on, but I'm currently doing all that stuff and more for the Bulwark, who have nothing at the moment.
I think the other Legions should get on that too, write up your home worlds and everyone needs their own ''how i met the emperor'' story at the very least.

We are trying to capture what made the horus heresy so great before the BL started gangbanging it.

We can't do that if we don't provide loads of fluffy shit for the primarchs and the legions, other than just their victories/defeats, and methodology. Traditions, practices, backstory the lot.

Good looking out anon.
You have a legion/wanna make a chapter?
I keep pointing out that not all chapters give a fuck about their founders, and many have unknown heritage and just do their own thing...
So hop in if you want to?

Well since I'm back what work should I do on the Machine Guards to bring them up to scratch with what we have currently?

>>34457389

I volunteer the Thunder Kings for this. How about a war waged over some of the colonized moons, such as Titan, Ganymede, etc? It could be an island-hopping campaign, rather than just a single space battle.

>>34457370
It'd be neat if you fleshed out some reasons why the Life Bringers might hate The Entombed back. One-way hatred is boring.

>>34457370
everyone forgets old Uriel. But least peopel know we exist i guess, unlike poor Onyx and the Stone Men.

Also, the Crusaders or the Scribes were kind of filling the role that the Ultras would with the Codex and the Siring the most successors - so why not have our resident Alpha Legion - the Iron Rangers do their thing and go where they go

I always saw >>34457360>>34457421
the MachinGuard squaring off with the Mastodontii in like a planet equivalent of the battle of Kursk (biggest tank engagement in history iirc)
As they both love vehicles, rapid deployments, and speed.

>>34457431
>>34457389

Hows this for the set up of the Battle of Saturns Moons

The traitor legions begin to head to Terra, but with many of the loyalist legions still missing and the defenses not fully prepared, Darius and his sorcerers of the Omegon Annihilators elect to go to the edge of the system and prepare a spell that may delay the traitor fleet from arriving. Brennus and the Thunder Kings volunteer to go as well, knowing that the traitors will spare no one in their war path to Terra and hoping to prepare some extra defenses to slow them down, as well as help protect Darius.

Void Master, foreseeing this, immediately sets out to prevent this, calling upon some other random traitor legion to assist them.

>>34457521
I can get behind that.

>>34457521
>Hows this for the set up of the Battle of Saturns Moons

Why not just The Battle of Saturn? It's not like you can have a ground war on saturn

>>34457391
Already did like 3 threads ago. Sorry, I forgot to copy it on 1d4chan. Just fixed that.

>>34457395
I think that would be a kind of friendship that starts well, but they grow apart as Johannes slowly loses sanity from an inability to fully reconcile his decision to purge everything with his wish to just be a doctor, healing others. His self-delusions grow stronger, his plagues increasingly become more of a goal rather than just an effective tool and by the time of Heresy the bloated figure with toxic fumes seeping out of the cracks and vents in his terminator armor is no longer the friendly doctor Aubrey knew and enjoyed arguing with.

>>34457561

lol Saturns a gas giant bruh.

>>34457590
exactly?

>>34457521
That's The Voidwatcher to you brother. Also that sound good. My legion is pretty well fleshed out save for my Primarchs background so I'm just itching for more fights. When will Chaos become directly involved? Demons and such. Istvaan IV right?

>>34457569
>>34457452
>>34457444
>>34457431
>>34457559
>>34457360

Hey I posted my primarchs personality and stuff on the wiki, how do you think your primarchs would react to him and how would their relationships be? We already determined that he was bros with Gaspard, and that he and Voidwatcher had somewhat respect for each other.

>>34457604

Oh sorry, haha getting kinda tired and misread your post. Thought you were saying we should have a ground war on Saturn. Ya the battle of Saturn sounds good.

>>34457617

>Bohemond asks a question
>Darius gives him a proverb
>Bohemond asks what that's supposed to mean
>Darius asks Bohemond what he thinks it means
>Bohemond grows tired of doublespeak and storms off

I think that's how it would go down

>>34457617
The Entombed would probably greatly value your divinations in hunting down the Life Bringers

>>34457648

haha

"If you just came to give me riddles, Darius, then begone I have no time for your games. I have a battle to win"

*Storms off to launch bay*

>>34457617
Johannes would prefer to deal with logic and precision, somewhat wary of things he does not understand, so the mysticism of Darius would rub him the wrong way. Wouldn't be hostile though, just wishing he'd cut the crap and speak straight.

>>34457521
Why not just the Saturnian War?

The first Thunder Kings to arrive were the Grinning Ghosts and Bleeding Crowns tribes, each bringing with them nearly ten thousand Astartes apiece. Though they arrived prior to their Primarch, they made themselves invaluable to the Imperial war effort in the Sol system from the onset, with their collected battlegroup slipping past traitorous forces near Charon and managing to land sizable contingents on Enceladus, Rhea, and Titan.

Of these three moons, however, the last would prove to be the most important: bearing vast mining capacity and forgeworks which would doubtless feed the war effort of whichever side controlled them. Though Commander Anibalos managed to secure the majority of these complexes with his early landing, he would be steadily pushed back by the assembling forces of the Black Augurs. The campaign culminates in the grand battle of Vintaya Station, where the largest battle in Titan's history would be fought between a host of nearly ten thousand Thousand Sons and Black Augurs on either side. The timely arrival of the Void Angels and Brennus himself from Alessia would spell defeat for the Black Augurs on Titan, though it would be many more years 'till the Saturnian Campaign would finally finish.

>>34457569
I agree.
Aubrey had dedicated his healing to the arcane magicks he held, forgetting his medical like nature, no longer concerned with the weak, like cultists and the like, only his astartes, perfect in his eyes.
Both of them lost their way.

"No, no, I believe that we can save him through medicae and radiation."
Aubrey proposed to his brother Primarch over a vox, one of Johannes Captains had fell ill and he needed a second medical opinion.

"Hah! We should just cut the Organ out and clone it, it would be more time efficient."
Johannes scoffed back at Aubrey, many a time their methods differed, Johannes thought he just didn't like the sight of blood.

"He might reject the new organ, try my treatment first, if anything surgery can be preformed later down the line..."

...A dark mirror of these arguements, much beloved by the pair, continued after their fall.

"Just corrupt the flesh with sorcery and be done with it Johannes, your rotting bodies can do little else."
Aubrey sneered over the long old vox.

"...Noooo...We should...Purge his body, of all the organs....and replace them...with rotted cloned organs."
Johannes wheezed and inhaled loudly between the small bursts of words in his sentence.

"Do whatever you want Johannes, your Captains will fall apart all the same, good bye."

The Vox cut, the pair didn't seem to acknowledge the deja-vu that nestled quietly in the back of their minds, they had legions to lead.

>>34457617
I'm sure Uriel would have to play careful around you, but would find your ability to track down Lifebringers >>34457671
and others, as well as the other things your legion can divine, too invaluable to ignore.

That would bring the entombed into my web too - seeing as I could provide some intel Darius couldn't, use the considerable stuff darius does provide for my own ends, but also warn the Lifebringers of what is going on too, for whatever suits my agenda.

>>34457617
Brennus would likely find Darius to be a rather tiresome individual, though he'd never show it. He's probably one of the few people that can tolerate the bloke, patiently sitting and listening to his metaphors and proverbs without much in the way of commentary.

Likely a cordial relationship, rather than outright confrontational or friendly.

>>34457777
>>34457692

Haha geez he wouldn't only speak in proverbs. He'd probably tell them the answer if they were visibly frustrated or really wanted to know.

Well if we're talking about inter-primarch relations, how do the other primarchs feel about Golgothos?

>>34457681

Lel, yeah sounds right

>>34457865

Bohemond would certainly admire your zealotry. An argument between the two would be hell as neither would back down, but there'd be a helluva lot of respect

>>34457865

Darius personally views Golgothos as one of the least educated and more primitive of his brothers, but not in a bad way. He treats Golgothos kind of like a student but also as a true younger brother. After the Life Bringers viral nuke your legion is sympathic towards Golgothos, but also worried that the rage and inner turmoil might eat Golgothos from within.

>>34457865
Pre-Heresy they would get along, nothing special, just a few kind words between brothers.

However after the heresy, Aubrey taunts him for staying with the Imperium and further taunts him for his desperation to cling to life, telling him that Johannes should have done more than just wiped his planet.

>>34457865
he certainly has lots of rocks

>>34458031
My homeworld is like at least 99% rocks. And if you count bone as rocks, it's 100%!

>>34457444
The Entombed aren't sneaky, so they can't be the guys destroying the Life Bringer homeworld, that was done by the Crusaders now. I don't see any reason for rivalry existing before Istvaan, it might even be better to have the two legions be on good terms until then, they both hate taking losses and the Life Bringers would have offered their assistance in trying to fix the Entombed geneseed flaw if they knew of it. This could result in an extra-strong "hey, what the fuck?!" moment for Golgothos and the Entombed on Istvaan and give another reason for them to hate Life Bringers that much.

After Istvaan, Golgothos takes the remains of his legion to Sepulchra, but is unwilling to sit idly by as the traitors destroy the Imperium. He is later seen with a small group of venerable dreadnoughts during the battle on Terra, where he led his own veterans and a contingent of [another loyalist legion] against Life Bringer positions, preventing their artillery from fully turning the Imperial Palace into contaminated wasteland, killing multiple Plague Masters and critically injuring Johannes. Following the death of Hektor and the retreat of most traitor legions into the Eye of Terror the Entombed became the greatest bane of Life Bringers, their heavy dreadnoughts and terminator armored warriors perfectly countering to the Life Bringer propensity for biological warfare and always coming in to face them whenever the Plaugeships emerged into realspace.

>>34457617
Fjordous would probably play along but he wouldn't be the best at it and does it to humour his brother.

>>34457865
On the other hand he would probably be unnerved by Golgothos but not enjoy his company due to the differing battle approaches.
Sorry that was late, RL drama kicked off and died down.

>>34457617
He'd probably be able to figure out your riddles and crypticness and recognize your ability as a precog. I think they'd get along well, swapping things they've seen, talking in depth about the flow of the Immaterium, and discussing arcane practices. The only thing they'd conflict about is the application. I don't really see the point of honor and righteousness when I can win quickly and efficiently.

Hey guys, are the primarchs of the Steel Marshals and the Silver Cataphracts still alive?
Are their anons even still active?

What loyalist legions are offensive siege oriented still?

At the moment, both those legions are meant to be going into the Crucible, but I wanted to make sure they were still around.

>>34458100

I can have a small contingent of my Legion escape with troops from Istvaan and ride along with Golgothos to Terra. A fast strike mission like that sounds perfect for the KoJ

>>34458100
Dope

which battle should the stone men interrupt/participate in?
it would have to be a considerable traitors vs. loyalist battle

>>34458314
Perhaps they're solely responsible for the Istvaan legions being able to escape?

>>34458314
also I had the idea that when onyx returns from deep space with his legion he is much wiser, having suffered the confusion of the heresy.
so basically he turned from an angry, giant fist-murderer to a stoic, slightly-philosophical battle Buddha

>>34458323
that sounds good.
we ended up fighting both sides though (not many killed, mostly just destroying cover and buildings only to find people we know and reverse direction)

>>34458379
Yeah, the Stone Men show up and start fucking bombarding the planet with Asteroids or something, which ends the fighting and allows the loyalists to escape.

>>34458360

Hmm I'm already pretty much the battle buddha monk guy

>>34458388
not really a monk, just a wise murderhobo as apposed to a stupid one
I think I phrased it wrong

>>34457370
I feel like the Crusaders wouldn't be so eager to go chasing after another Legion if Terra is vulnerable, although getting bogged down in a series of huge land battles across several worlds would be a better choice.

Right I'm back for the second time. Had to go out for a bit.

>>34457287
In the 2nd or 3rd battle of Terra could the Crusaders come in as reinforcements and start to push for a counter attack?

>>34458726
The Crusaders could be one of the legions baring down on Terra which forces Hektor to lower his shields and fight the Big E one on one.

>>34458740
Works for me, I just don't want the Crusaders to be left out of the Heresy like the Ultra's were.

The Aftermath of Ishtvaan V

After the success of Ishvaan V had now crippled a few of the loyalist legions, but not all. Thanks to the intervention of the Stonemen the loyalists were able to quit the field and make a hasty retreat back into Imperial space. Hektor would not be able to rely on the same tricks the next time. The majority of Hektor's traitor legions were now gathered around him and many had taken substantial losses while there were still many loyalist legions at full strength for him to contend with.

By now all would of heard of his treachery and would no doubt be racing to defend their false emperor. As great a general as he was, even Hektor doubted he would be able to defeat the Emperor if he was able to unite the remaining loyalists into a single fleet. No, if he wanted to fulfill his destiny as the savior of mankind he would have to learn some new tricks. He did not need to defeat every loyalist legion, merely delay them from helping their emperor.

At least 4 loyalists still remained in the Ultima Segmentum on the other side of the Maelstrom. With only two paths around the Maelstrom if the traitors were able to block off both ways then the loyalists would never be able to reach Holy Terra. To this end he dispatched two of his own traitor legions, the Bulwark and the Children of Awrok. North of the Maelstrom the Bulwark began constructing a chain of fortress's and to the South of the Maelstrom to create a giant warp storm that would prevent any from passing.

His plan was perfect. The most direct route to Terra from the Ultima Segmentum was the southern route, but with it completely blocked off any loyalist that wanted to go the long way around would also have to endure what was now called "The Crucible" With the Loyalists in the Ultima Segmentum dealt with, Hektor turned his eyes back on Terra.

((Cont.))

>>34458916

Hmm actually now that I read up more on the Children of Amrok, would they really be the best choice for Hektor to send to create a huge warp storm?

>>34458916
nice, I like it

What have i missed friends?

>>34459016
I think we're in the phase where most of the basic things have been established, and the people that happen to be around at the moment are fleshing out more individual events.

Really, what we need is some kind of picture that roadmaps where all the Primarchs went and what they did, showing their paths through the Galaxy over time, maybe.

Or at least, some sort of chart where people can fill in the relationships (rivalries/hatreds/friendships/betrayals/murders/etc) between Primarchs and Legions and what not.

There's a lot of different players in this story, having a simplified reference will help people keep the timeline straight immensely, I think.

And then we don't have to go back and rewrite people's fluff, if it turns out that there are major conflicts (like a Primarch being on the wrong side of the galaxy at the wrong time, or someone forgetting which Primarch was involved with which other ones, that kind of thing.)

>>34459016
Inter-primarch relations, an additional battle of Terra (The battle of Saturn, a space battle between mechanized legions, hopping from moon to moon) and some more fluff for various legions

>>34459122
Good Idea, War Scribe. Get to work.

So how do you think having ~200 active primarchs will change the setting? How will the wars for Armageddon go?

So wait my Primarch is killing Rook at the cost of losing whatever his main Battle Barge was due to sneaky shenanigans, and getting stranded, thus missing out on the Istvaan Massacre and/or Siege of Terra?

>>34459210
We have 200 active primarchs? That's interesting.

>>34459236
obviously i meant 20

>>34459243
Well, in the canon timeline, the grimdarkness comes from not having any god-warriors capable of fighting the fights and having the authority within the Imperium you need to have to turn the tide in a meaningful way.

Having a lot of active Primarchs means that to preserve the grimdark, you have to rely more heavily on "Loyalist Primarch does X, and Traitor Primarch immediately counters him". And that can get kind of monotonous.

Otherwise, the setting loses its stagnation, because the warriors the Emperor built to prevent that stagnation are still alive and active.

>>34459122

The Warp Storm

Darius had sensed the growing darkness long before the first astro-projections had come bearing the ill news of what had happened at Ishtvaan V. Darius felt sick to his stomach. How could this had happened, and worse how could he not have seen this. He had visited all his brother primarchs and had often looked into their futures. If only he had dove deeper....

No matter, it was too late to dwell on past mistakes. All Darius could do now was look to the future and hope he could still make a difference. Rallying his legion for Holy Terra not knowing what he would soon be getting into. As they drew close to Nocturne, Darius felt a massive flux in the warp. Uriel and the Children of Awrok had begun secretly operating in the region, using the ancient text Uriel had acquired over the years bolstered by their devotion to Tzeetch. Using his divination, Darius found the location Uriel was working in but did not know who was behind it.

Having manipulated several large contingent of near by guard units into coming under their command, Uriel unleashed them upon the Annihilators fleets. He did not care if they succeeded, but every moment they stalled the loyalists brought them closer to victory. Realizing what was going on, Darius began channeling a spell to contain the growing storm, but it required his complete attention to maintain.

The Traitor Guard had much more ships than them and in order to avoid being over run were forced to perform boarding actions. Meanwhile on the surface of Nocturne, The Annihilators 1st company, the Immortals deep struck down near the site of the ritual only to find a swarm of guardsmen and a company of Children of Awrok disguised as Wolves of Dawn.

((Cont.))

>>34459302
It can be grimdark in a different way. Instead of grimdark-nothing-happens it;s grimdark-too-many-things-happen. Sneaky chaos primarchs raiding hiveworlds left and right is pretty grimdark.

>>34459302

Meh imo that just means each primarchs actions have to be very strategically sound and capable of negatively affecting one or more primarch with a single action. Like "The Crucible" for example has 1 traitor legion now fighting off 2-3 loyalists.

>>34459390
Who are the religious nut jobs on either side? I figure if my guy is the one who tears down everything and is already an ass he'd be the one the Emperor has tear down his sons works of faith.

>>34459331
>>34459390
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm just saying that it will be a more complex challenge, and you may have to work harder to keep the Loyalist Primarchs from turning the tide, narratively.

It can be difficult to sell the "superhuman" aspect of the Primarchs if their plans are constantly coming to naught, is all.

>>34459442
No amount of superstrength can defeat an enemy who hides in shadows

>>34458980
Absolutely not.
Because we are still openly loyal.
Even though we are the first traitor legion that started all this shit.
We intentionally made sure we were well out of range for doing anything directly when the heresy was timed to happen, although we're spread out all over the place because of our spy networks, our forces were too far away to be useful to anyone.
We just had small covert cells all over the place making sure everything is going as planned.

And I think its getting a bit silly how badly everyone is trying to be the ones on Terra.
I get it, but not everyone was on Terra...
The whole tragedy of the siege of Terra, was that the Loyalists were outnumbered and no help was going to arrive quick enough.

If everyone is on Terra then the Traitors would have just stolen everything else and let the Imperials keep Terra until they had no strength to match the rest of the now Traitor empire.

>>34459243
we better still have more than 20 = we didnt need to cut anyone.


Shit do people not read any of the canon of the legions their using before they go for it?

>>34459307
People don't figure shit out about what we are doing - when they do we shut them up fast by killing them and all evidence/witnesses also disappear.
We work for Tzeentch - we started the Heresy but manipulated the Zealots to play the role of open traitors that we wouldnt as spymaster style .

We also aint any more psyker than any other legion. We're Tzeentch in the plotting and 'Just as planned' shit.

Its well enough written, but stay true to the legions themselves at least...


I mean shit I'm still here, but people be ignoring me or my canon.... that sucks man.

>>34459496
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but Arelex was pretty much waging a one-man Crusade against the shadows in the corners of his eyes out in the Ultima Segmentum (or whichever is closest to Isstvan) after the Drop Site Massacre pretty much shattered his entire concept of how the Imperium worked.

He should have been called back home, but the Mechanicus blocked the transmission.

>>34459462

Perhaps our legions could have somewhat of a bond before the heresy? Like participating in a campaign together, and working really well together?

>>34459496
>we better still have more than 20 = we didnt need to cut anyone.

Several of them are dead

>>34459496

For me it's odd just how many Primarchs are going to be surviving the Heresy. I know we're all attached to our characters, but post-Heresy is going to look wildly different if we've got 20 superhumans running around.

>>34459605
They could start dying off pretty rapidly in the aftermath of the heresy, they don't all gotta go during it.

>>34459605
Thoren is probably definitely gonna die. the council is a meat shield for a reason

>>34457118
School just started and I never saw the other threads in the catalogs. What'd I miss?

>>34459707
Oh no. Lizard Feet. There has been some... Restructuring

>>34459605
Well most of the Loyalist Primarchs disappeared shortly after the Heresy in canon and the chaos ones just sit on their thumbs all day.

>>34459786
I'm reading the 1d4chan page now - you guys have been busy.

There still room?

>>34459307
>>34459496

((Ya sorry, I just went with you since it didn't look like your legion had much to do and none of the other traitors seemed like a good fit. I tried to make you guys all super sneaky manipulative by mostly using the Guard and having what few guys you sent disguise themselves.))

Darius's battleship, the Argent Sphinx lurched and rumbled as cannon fire pierced its hull. Every shake threatened to break his concentration on the spell that was holding back the warp storm. His legion was fighting hard to commandeer enough ships to even the odds but every death only made it harder. With every scream of pain and dying thought the warp stirred, fighting to get out of his grasp. Sweat trickled down his forehead and along his face.

On the ground the Immortals continued to cut through the guard, even the Children of Amrok could do little against their mighty terminator armor. The guards fell in droves all around the Immortals as they advanced, among every other one. But walls of flesh wasn't the only thing the guard had to offer. Soon the thunderous roar of cannon fire descended upon the Immortals. Armed with power weapons and storm bolters, there was little the Immortals could do even with their psykers.

Without a choice they pressed on, ignoring as the cannons rained death upon them, but it slowed them enough to allow the Children of Amrok to regroup and redouble their efforts. The bloody battle raged on with the Immortals inching their way forward while being hounded by the tanks the whole way. When they finally arrived they quickly went to work cutting down the last of the Children of Amrok, however, it was too late.

((Cont.))

>>34459840
On the bridge of the Argent Sphinx a Lord of Change materialized itself before Darius along with a host of Flamers of Tzeetch. The crew did their best to defend against it. Torrents of Warp flame and doom bolts flew in every direction and many of the proud annihilators died where they stood. The greater daemon slew marine and librarian alike with ease until it reached Darius. Knowing he would have to defend himself, Darius released his spell over the warp to block a doom bolt.

At that moment the battle was lost. In a flash the warp storm erupted from the ritual site on the planet, engulfing The Immortals and the remaining guardsmen on the planet. Uriel watched from afar with glee as his brothers entire legion was caught and dragged into the storm. With his mission successful, he had proven his "loyalty" to Hektor and the rest of the Imperium was none the wiser.

((End.))

What'd you guys think? I tried to make it plausible and do the Children of Amrok justice, while also trying not to make it just primarch on primarch combat.

The council still needs a homeworld. cant quite find one that fits us.

>>34459870

I figured we were all just making planets up

>>34459840
>>34459850
I liked it.

>>34459707
read the thread man, I don't really know what else to say. I'm writing up the Bulwark though.
Although it seems people be ignoring that shit anyway so why bother...

>>34459605
>>34459302

Uriel is in the Black Library then. Presumably. The story is the legion were fighting their nemesis foe - the pointy eared bastard Eldar, and he and a small group of his honour guard go through into the webway after them.

But the real story is that but we happened to have Dark Eldar help in return for selling out various lightly guarded imperial planets for the DE to raid for slaves on.
Shit if you need to fluff it cos people want to hold onto their Primarchs, The Children are almost singlehandedly keeping the Imperium shitty and grimdark like it is in Canon, because that closeminded, ask-no-questions, way of things is perfect to use and abuse as a spymaster legion
I feel people are losing sight of shit, with everyone just making friends and enemies and putting yourself in famous battles, but not really fleshing out their legion itself, motivations etc.

The universe does still need to get grimdark. Otherwise this shit just proves that /tg/ can't make a AU HH because we're too special snowflake to let the narrative beat us.
Come on /tg/ lets get our shit together.

>>34459840
Okay, Iron Rangers for a start are sneaky and shit too.
We're only average marines, but we *know* what shit is happening where and when cos of our spy networks. Reading that I'm kind of just a whipping boy.

Children kept the fuck out of the heresy because that didnt suit our purposes.
If we did attack we attacked small soon to be strategic places that people havent realised *will* be important later
And we cut all comms so no-one can be like ''oh shit aren't the Children of Armok meant to be good guys? theyre fighting us so no theyre not'' cos whats the point of a spy if you blow your cover?

>>34459913
Still, though...
>this is the fourth thread and there's a 1d4chan page and everything
Wow.

>>34459913
I feel like the Children are becoming slightly too important the overall narrative. I don't like the idea of any one subfaction being purely or majorly responsible for something like te general grim darkness of the empire. It works if it's all of chaos working together but one legion is pushing it a little. Am I alone here? Also not to put you down Uriel. You've done more for this AU than many but I'm just worried.

I've been away for a bit, what have we all actually decided on?

>>34459913

Didn't necessarily have to be a legion that was sneaky, just one that was good in magic. I read that not only were you kinda Tzeetchish, but also you had a library with tons of old knowledge. I kinda justified you doing this mission because Hektor wanted you to prove you were loyal to him. If you're really that upset about it we can just replace your legion with another one.

>>34459850
Okay I kind of like what you did with the ending, but we don't really use daemons. And our plots and shit are subtle to the point of madness.
We would kind of be aware of your legions propensity for psykers, and hear of how your precog, and take precautions.

I have no problem losing marines at all.
But only if it serves a purpose for our plots.
We're not stereotypical chaos where you just send wave after wave til your doomsday device can destroy shit - thats dumb villainy from GW library. The Children are meant to be far smarter than that.

>>34459975
yeah i was being facetious - i kind of got a bit jarred by having my entire legion relegated to whipping boy. But at least I got to go just as planned.

I am in NO WAY responsible for the grimdarkness
i was making a point that the primarchs do need to die
>At that moment the battle was lost. In a

But

>>34459988
well the Children don't really use magic.
I think the Iron Council went that way, but not sure if the creator came back and changed it.

I'm sorry if im getting bent out of shape, but like thats not how the Children operate, we ain't a big legion. Like your legion has the precog shit, we have that but from espionage i guess.
We're subtle. We like manipulating everything and everyone to suit us.

>>34460010
Alright I'm sorry. That was a miscommunication on my part. I understand your frustration. At least your legion is getting involved. There are plenty of us that don't do much of anything. Not to demean your irritation or anything. I understand your issue. We really need some kind of web/ map detailing all the conflicts.

>>34460053
Cos we're Politicians and Spymaster. We get others to do our dirty work. We only do shit when we really really need to, or when it helps our plotting.

>>34459913
That's part of the reason why I wrote my Primarch as being blown to shit. I wanted to make sure that the Legion known for having access to a good reserve of Dark Age and other high-tech relics was severely hindered in other ways.

>>34460010

Lel, my Legion is pretty much wiped out. Got a damn good setpiece out of it though, and I'm enjoying reading what others have written.

>>34460066
I agree, because I've got no solid idea of what my legion is supposed to be doing or where they are in relation to other conflicts.

>>34460066
>>34459988
>>34459982
>>34459955
>>34459870
>>34459605
>>34459581
>>34460104

Okay guys, how about this:
we all need to accept that our primarchs are dead, genuinely missing, or on life support/stasis. Some of the Chaos legions will have their primarch become a Daemon Prince etc, but the legion carries on the fight, cos they are only really bothered by big crusades and shit by that point cos you know - daemons got daemon shit to do.

That way the Grimdarkness can take hold. And that is the essence of 40k right?

>>34460053

Np, I understand your legion mostly focuses on subtle manipulation, espionage and intrigue. But on the other hand you are space marines, so you have to fight at least once in a while or else whats the point of actually being a space marine. You could be a rogue trader and achieve the same objectives.

hmmm Voidwatcher, you want to be the one who makes the warp storm then?

>>34452715
>>34454007
These are both golden. I'm still surprised anyone wanted anything to do with my legion. I do want to make it clear though, Nova Defenders do have a chapter defect. All the Marines with Rook's Geneseed are physically weaker than normal. I just wanted to make sure you were ok with that.

I'm still on my phone, It's been a long night when I get home I'll tell you guys the fluff I have for my second founding chapter. They were founded by Alex Marshall, and his devastater squad that successfully legged the Rams.

>>34460129
I personally think that's the "safer" route, yes. It follows the pattern set up by 40k canon, and alleviates the need to explain why some survive and some don't.

(Also, it keeps people from becoming dangerously entrenched in their Primarch's success)

>>34460132
ABSOLUTELY

>>34460129
I'm up for my guy being trapped on some dead planet. maybe someone Exterminatused him and even his legion assumes him dead but he's still just standing there.

Maybe my guy inherited the Perpetual gene from the Emperor? Or is that to Mary Sue to claim?

>>34460129

Yep, I was probably going to have Darius die doing something stupid with the golden throne.

>>34460132
we do fight, we fight Xenos - mainly the eldar, but later the Necrons too. We get so caught up in our own little game of know all the secrets/control everything by plotting, that we try and play on the galactic scale but aren't really able to keep up AND maintain our cover with the imperium - but I'd written that to be happening around the time the 40 canon universe is set, ie right before the Nids show up in real force.

Until then we potter around looking busy with the eldar and orks and tau etc, but keep out of the heresy stuff directly because we're abusing that situation for our own leverage.

Our role during the Heresy is kind of on the periphery, and only doing small attacks on places that arent yet but soon will be important to the heresy/post heresy. And we always cut communications so that we can guarantee our cover is safe.
We positioned ourselves just too far away to really be of use in the heresy - giving us plausible deniability...

>>34460167
exactly. So guys, start writing up your primarchs reason for being out of the fight. Like listed >>34460129 here.

Doesnt have to be a blaze of glory and they could just be ''out on business'' somewhere in the warp or something.

>>34460153

Dude, is all that on the wiki? It's damn good

>>34460129
I believe I already established my Primarch kinda sat around tinkering for a few hundreds years then disappeared into uncharted space. Leaving his legion to break up into smaller warbands called covens that operate independently but also have some contact an are in competition with each other to some extant.

Good afternoon, bruvas! How si everyone doing today?

Btw, thread's been preemptively archived by myself and the link put with the rest on our googledocs page.

>>34456876
Fucking awesome.

>>34459605
As for the fate ofOctullus,he dies shortly after the Heresy, after his fleet is caught in a warp storm. He is ambushed by multiple Traitor Primarchs in their Daemon Prince forms, and his ship is boarded, with the point of having revenge on Octullus for betraying the Traitors. Although they put up a some what admiral fight, their ship is shortly destroyed, the Traitor Primarchs exiting his personal chambers. Although many, specifically the Eyes them selves, hold to the hope that since no one saw the body, he is still alive. But there are rumors reported by the survivors of the ambush that a melta blast went off in his chamber BEFORE the traitors had reached him and the traitors leaving with disappointment on their faces. These survivors were then converted into murder servitors to repent for the failure of allowing the Primarch to die

>>34460195

Do you still want to crazily manipulate the guard, or would you rather of just ambushed my termies with preds and shit? Since your legion is less of the manipulation type I might just say the guard was truly traitor guards/cultists instead.

>>34460129
Golgothos is a Primarch Dreadnought who chases Johannes the daemon prince across the galaxy, and I'm sticking to it.

>>34460245
you did, we just all need to *read* it. On the wiki prefereably.
We can't write fluff if we don't *know* the fluff we HAVE got so far.
We'd be as bad as the BL HH team or C.S.Goto...

>>34460129
Aye. Honestly my plan was that my Legion got rekt early on in the Heresy, and had already been weakened by Necrons and Eldar beforehand from the get-go, so what you guys did actually lines up with what I was thinking.

>>34460243
I don't think my legion is even in the wiki. When I get home, I'll post my fluff summery again. I can't into wiki, so I need someone else to post.

>>34460129
onyx can easily die/go missing in the nebulous deep space fighting some c'tan or tyranid swarm

I've sorta been waiting for most major events to be sorted before I really stick my head into write fagging it up in here. I do like that Machine Guard Vs. Mastodontii idea and only really need a planet idea for it.

>>34460319
plus he can be replaced by a guy with a cooler name

>>34460331

A forgeworld would probably be best for some crazy tank on tank action!

>>34460129
im down for being dead and dying in an awesomely badass way with a bunch of dead people and explosions.

>>34460352
...Oh fuck yes.
"What happened to our front line?!"
"Well sir.. Jetbikes, melta bombs and a good throwing arm seems to be the leading causes."

>>34460294
I thought Necrons hadn't started waking up until the 41st millennium?

>>34460283
not to put a damper on your parade - but if multiple daemons boarded a ship, how would there be survivors to give a rumour?
wouldnt the ship be lost to the warp on account of its crew being wiped the fuck out?

I like the idea, but you lampshaded it a bit to hard = having him be attacked while in the warp leaves it open for interpretation - and being lost in the warp is a terrible fate without having to fight daemon princes...

>>34460289
I am fond of that tbh.
He could have taken a ship after Johannes with a company and still be lost in the warp, presumably chasing Johannes?
Just realised what we should have done from the start was make a second in commmand, and then have them be the hero's we truly want, and have the primarchs be the fated to die types for the second in command to follow in the steps of/seek revenge for etc

>>34460295
So is my Primarch still beating yours into the ground? Is that how you die or is it just a fight you crawl away from?

>>34460380
I heard somewhere that there were a few Tomb Worlds that woke up during the Crusade, mostly because someone poked them, but that they were, until M41, dismissed as rumors.

>>34460331
I do like that Machine Guard Vs. Mastodontii idea and only really need a planet idea for it.
>>34460352
no, have it be like a tank/vehicle based version of the Iron Cage - where you openly challenge eachothers legions to see who is best once and for all... In a kursk type, open plains/earth like world

How about postHeresy the Crusaders split into chapter size forces and travel around to other areas of the galaxy to maintain peace? Working with other Legions and chapters, and that's how they get split into chapter size forces instead of being forced? That'll also help to keep the with a Dark Angels feel of all the successor chapters are connected to the original.

So i need some massive battle where the council of iron was praticipating preferably against the chaos because like hell im going to lose to some fuckin orks where thoren was the last man standing and held the line and ended up killing a bunch of shit before dying himself..

>>34460393
there should be 2 primarchs lost in the warp fighting eachother for all eternity

>>34460411
Thats cool, I'm down with that. You still help write the Codex too, so it would make sense that you have people all over the place working to the same goal.

>>34460416
dude = you got made into a traitor legion didnt you?
I swear you became traitor.
Cos it was crazy one sided in favour of the Loyalists...

>>34460425
As long as he get's to shatter someones rib cage with a Thunder Hammer I am happy.

>>34460385
Well its not a single ship its a entire fleet that was ambushed, and considering the size of 40k, i can kind of see a few survivors. But yeah, i figure they would have found the wrecks, and picked up the few, heavily wounded survivors. I suppose it could be more of a rumor held by a few other legions. The point of it is that that he might have killed himseld instead of facing the torture that the traitors would perform on him. But i suppose it just being a rumor is good enough

>>34460448
How about the Scribes and Scions write it and the Crusaders either do some editing or update it to certain chapters who're fighting different enemies.

Jesus who cut the Steel Marshals from that opening list/chart thing?
How do i edit that chart thing?
They are meant to be in the Crucible.


>>34460498
with myths, less is always more - it adds to the mystery and gives more room to change things later on if you want.

We had 27 legions now we're down to 25 i think lizard feet got cut - both along with the stone men should be back in
This shit was a INCLUSIVE /tg/ exercise, not a circlejerk for only a few anons.

Come on guys - how thefuck would you feel if you came back and found you'd been cut?

They dont need to be cut at all. Give it to me and i'll fluff them up if need be.

>>34460524
Steel Marshalls are at the bottom of the chart.

>>34460524
I DID just type up something small on the assumption that the cut was permanent. Anyone want to see it? It's kinda boring, to be honest.

>>34460524
Nevermind, its still in the main body of text. just that opening chart is all off.

>>34460524
Could we at least change their name from "Lizard Feet", please?

I'm all for being inclusive, but this sort of went from a joke thing to a more cohesive thing, and not all the Legions got the message.

>>34460543
Yeah just noticed, sorry, I'm trying to do 20 things at once with this and im not concentrating as much as i should be.

I'll do a bunch of comiling if people are okay with it - Ie maintaining the list so that we all know who is in.

>>34460544
There should be no cuts - ive said it a hundred times now - Why cut anything? we dont need to.
If someones legion is under fluffed help fluff it up, or let me do it, i dont mind, and i can stay true to their original intentions.


>>34460550
OH GOD YES. THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

The whole chart thing was something I put together last night at about 1am so there's definitely a strong chance I could of missed something out but I tried to include all the legions/primarchs that were on id4chan and the google doc at the time. I can try and update it if you lot would like.

>>34460385
I like that. Golgothos took an entire squad of Venerable Dreadnoughts and rode into the Eye of Terror after Johannes, leaving Lord Undertaker Erebus in command.

>>34460550
I think I can do that - lemme think of a few.

>Verdant Scales?
>Sons of Tiran?
>Jungle Titans?

>>34460615
>Sons of Tiran
That's my favourite.

>>34460393
No, you punch my clock. I figured it would go something like this.

>epic battle between primarchs inside the Rams command ship bridge
>Rook started with a couple good swings out the gate
>immediately becomes a one sided fight
>Rook ends up on his back, bleeding from his everywhere
>Kranios picks Rook up by the chest plate and slams him into the ground several times
>enough to make a visible crater in the thick metal plating that is the command ships bridge floor
>Kranios yells at the rag doll in the floor "Do you submit!? Do you not see that you cannot win!?"
>Rook grins
>"I'm certainly not going to win, but neither will you."
>Rook points out the bridge window
>Kranios looks in confusion
>his entire drop fleet is being destroyed
>"u lose m8"
>BLIND RAGE
>Kranios stomps Rook's head in

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Alright, so it was decided by the other anons of this project that Primarch Kleisthenes taking the role of Sanguinus during the final battle with Hektor, being felled by his hand (but not entirely dead, instead put in stasis like Roboute).

The question is, who takes the place of Dorn on the confrontation aboard the Vengeful Spirit? Also, do we have our own version of Ollanius Pius for this event as well? All ideas welcome.

>>34460425
I kind of want a definitive end for my primarch although that doesn't mean Kranios and another primarch can't get into a fight for eternity.

>>34460690

Our version of Ollanius Pius is Ollanius Pius

AND HE'S A FUCKING GUARDSMAN AND HERO OF THE IMPERIUM

>>34460690
I'll volunteer to take the place of Dorn, that'll give me some motivation to ensure that something like this never happens by making the Codex and maintaining the huge peacekeeping force.

>>34460641
And where would this take place? Siege of Terra? Istvaan? Also what would be capable of destroying my fleet like that? Just some sneaky gits?

>>34460625
It does have a nice ring to it.

>inb4 people start confusing them with Tyranids

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>>34460448
I did. i wanted to be a traitor from the start lol

>>34460764
Ah its just the way you worded that previous post, made it sound like you wanted to be in a battle with chaos/and orks.

Added the Ultima Segmentum to the "Timeline and Events" section, with a brief summary of Hektors intent and the outcome.

Also added the Battle of Belahaam, between the Black Augur and the Omegon Annihilators into the write faggotry section. Changed a few things from the initial draft but the outcome was the same.

Tell me what you guys think

>>34460615
Scale Bearers?

It could be a double pun, on having marines with scaly growths (black dragon style) or scale motifs on their armor (salamanders style), but also possibly some sort of "Balance seeking" Marines, bearing scales in the Libra sense.

>>34460734
The location can be wherever it's convenient, and the cause is a devastater squad in your engine room. That squad will become a second founding chapter.

>>34460844
This can also work. So we've got

-Sons of Tiran
-Scale Bearers
-Verdant Scales
-Jungle Titans

I like all of these names, but I can only pick one.

>>34460727
Good, good. The Crusaders were already at the Siege of Terra, so that works out well.

>>34460844
Lizard Fleet. You could have the most battle barges.

>>34460855
Speaking of which, I think I'm going to let someone else fluff my third second founding chapter. Nova Defenders are mine, I'll let other anons expand on it. As long as it's built from the devastater squad that legged Kranios. I had the name Alex Marshall, but you don't have to keep that.

Is Golgos still here?

>>34460930
I think it's mostly the word "Lizard" that people consider the problem. It just doesn't read well when you look at it, when paired with most other words.

That said, very clever.

So the Entombed:

Hate the Life Bringers with every fiber of their being.
Pretend that the War Scribes and Successors don't exist.
Depend on the Omegon Annihilators for divination regarding the location of Life Bearers forces.

Anyone else we might interact with regularly? Everyone else seems to be experts on assaulting fortified positions, so maybe The Entombed are called when other legions need help defending? They're just three companies of elite forces, so maybe they're regularly used as a supplemental force.

>>34460524
Revised
As for the fate of Octullus,he dissapeared shortly after the Heresy, after his fleet is caught in a warp storm. It was said he was ambushed by multiple Traitor Primarchs in their Daemon Prince forms along with souls of all his legion had betrayed, with the point of having revenge on Octullus for betraying the Traitors. Although they put up a some what admiral fight, their fleet was said to be quickly over whelmed, and that the fate of Octullus is unknown. There are many theories about the fate Octullus. Officially, the Eyes state that he died fighting the Traitors, falling to a blow from the Life Bringers primarchs blade. But there are others put forth, such as the attack being a deliberate assassination for orginally aligning them selves with the Traitors. Some say, instead of fighting the Traitors, he feared their retribution and took his own life. Some even claim that he simply ran from the imperium and his legion, feelimg as if he had failed or he was captured by soul chilling xenos.

What ever the case, he is now gone, with nothing but the last message left by him to explain
"When the Emperors eyes open, they shall fall upon us"

>>34460987
Can someone remind me why we have a Legion with the name of a canon Primarch in its name? Is that something we should be keeping?

>>34460813
im a traitor but i sure as hell aint sided with orks and chaos. they can suck on my ass.

>>34460987

Ah good you're still here. Hey Golgothos and Life Bringer Would you be cool with our primarchs had an event? Basically my idea is that after being trapped in the warp storm, Darius and his legion get dumped out near Sepulchra. Golgothos tells him what happened to his legion and asks Darius to help him get revenge. Hoping to help his brother get over his loss and steer him from going down a bad path, Darius agrees and they both go and attack Rai, the home world of the Life Bringers resulting in another big battle.

>>34461057
>implying Omegon is real and Alpharius doesn't just have split personality

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>>34460690
>>34460716
>>34460727

Wiki and googledoc both updated with this information.

Is the name of Hektor's flagship still the "Vengeful Spirit," or is it something different?

>>34461057

I don't like the name either, but I fluffed them up into not!persian sorcerers

>>34461075
Either way. Omegon Annhilators has the word "Omegon" in it, and leaving aside the unwieldiness of that Legion's name overall, I'm not sure we should keep the Omegon part.

>>34461100
Nah it's going to be called the "Sun Chariot".

>>34460987
I could see the Crusaders getting on well with them. We could either act as a supply train for your forces and as a mobility unit since you're a very slow moving force.

>>34460883
My vote is for scale bearers.
not my reasoning but we do have a Sons of chapter with the Sons of Fire, so purely for ease of differentiation if you are happy with all of them - Scale Bearers or Verdant Scales are my votes.

>>34461057
if you mean Omegon as in Alpharius's double, I don't count that as ever having happened.
Was some dumb bullshit that.
There was no Omegon, just Alpharius lol
Otherwise ignore me.

>>34461153
That makes two votes for Scale Bearers.

>>34461074
After Istvaan V Golgothos rides into the Eye of Terror to chase Johannes, so Darius would be asking Chief Undertaker Erebus, who's in command in Golgothos' absence.

>>34461153
He has a point though. Even if we ignore the BL books it's still in the fluff that Alpharius full name is known as Alpharius Omegon.

>>34461124
Alright, I'll add it right away.

Any other input you have to offer at the moment regarding the final showdown between you and Big E?

r8 my warcry

"Until the end, we defend"

It is often used as a chant before battles. The commanding officer will say the first half and the soldiers will echo the second half. It can also be heard shortened to "Until the end..." as a sort of optimistic "hang in there" tag line used by the soldiers to keep spirits high.

>>34461219
r8 my warcry

Complete silence.

>>34461219
>>34461232
r8 my warcry

Lazarus lives again!

>>34461219
R8 my war cry

"Be wary, his Eyes are upon you!"

r8 my warcry's

Wolves of Dawn: Dawn's light illuminates!

Heralds of Hektor: Hear our word and falter!

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Hey can I request some draw or writefaggotry for the Crusaders please?

>>34461232
10/10 blew mine out of the water

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Turns out I liked Scale Bearers best. Repostan color scheme, and fluff coming soon.

>>34461232
420/Blaze it.
I got so high from reading that shit.

>>34461265
>>34461261
>>34461232
r8 my war cry
WE WILL, WE WILL, ROCK YOU

>>34461219
r8 my warcry
Deafening bolter fire and explosions

>>34461338
>WE WILL, WE WILL, ROCK YOU
stoned/10

>>34461265
r8 my warcry

[*Quiet/not loud mocking laughter/a sinister but knowing chuckle*]
Changes depending on what we are doing and how much they know about it.

>>34461338
CLAP CLAP STOMP!
CLAP CLAP STOMP!

>>34461219
On it's own not a cool warcry, but chanted over and over again it's fuckin spooky.

>>34461243
Cool idea, could be better.

>>34461265
neither rolls off the tongue

>>34461341
kek

s-sorry to be so negative

>>34461219
...oh, why not?

r8 my warcry

Extinction is imminent!

>>34461287

What did you use to make that?

>>34461219
>>34461243

My warcry : None can escape their fate! or maybe Glory is our destiny, Death is their fate!

Tried to come up with something to deal with fate, prophecy and divination.

>>34461366
Prince of Darkness/10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MLp7YNTznE

>>34461383
Both are great

>>34461383
Bolter and Chainsword SM painter.

>>34461243
Lazarus lives once more?
or just Lazarus lives?
Lazarus has risen! ?

But I like it.

>>34461387
lolwut? Good song though.

>>34461366
>[*Sound of hands rubbing gleefully together*]

>>34461219
>>34461232
>>34461243
>>34461265
>>34461338
>>34461341
10/10 would crusade with

r8 mine

There is only Man! There is only the Emperor!

>>34461416
Lazarus shall rise!
Or Alternatively.
Lazarus Stands!

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>>34461420
>>[*Sound of hands rubbing gleefully together*]

>>34461453
I like these a lot more.

>>34461261
No love for the eyes?

>>34461441
The man/10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isAq7p-3TO4

>>34461441
I like that one

>>34461453
I like the rise one best

>>34461377
Eh so-so. Kinda reminds me of a more primitive version of mine

>>34461265
I like these

>>34461232
I dunno, I'm having a hard time picturing someone yelling that with explosions and bolter fire going on in the background.

>>34461219
lol sounds really super heroish.

>>34461480
I liked it

>>34461504
they... they don't SAY "Complete Silence"

>>34461480

Oh ya, I liked this one too.

>>34461467
kek

>>34461453
It could be
>Rise, rise and rise again!

>>34461521

haha I'm dumb, though you could of just put ... for silence.

>>34461504
>lol sounds really super heroish
Kinda what I was going for. That and a band of brothers feel.

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>>34461467
>>34461420
top fucking lel

>>34461480
its good, but try shouting it, the natural drop/pause after be wary makes it a bit long.

How about ''his eyes are upon you!" ?
easier to shout.

>>34461538
A good alternate, I feel the homeworld needs to get a mention.

So Hektor, other than me apparently turning you, how did Aubrey and Hektor get along?

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>>34461493
>>34461504
Thanks!

>>34461341
Wait, sorry, could you say that again? I don't think I heard you correctly over the bolter fire and explosions.

>>34461504
Hrm... maybe "They hunger!" while pointing at the warbeasts is better?

>>34461538
How about "WAKE UP, OH SLEEPER, RISE FROM THE DEAD!"

It's from Ephesians

>>34461558
I guess Hektor got on with all the other primarchs pretty well being the great leader and political strategist that he is.

>>34461584
How about, We hunger! and you start banging your chest plate?

>>34461621
That works, too.

On another note, are there any Legions, loyal or traitor, that just never made it to Terra?

>>34461640
Entombed weren't at the battle of Terra

>>34461598
Any special interaction?
He was one the last of the primarchs to be found and the most naive of the primarchs.
He also had that auxiliary.

Since Chief Undertaker Erebos is in charge instead of Golgothos, I guess I should probably flesh him out more.

Any ideas?

>>34461640
The Children of Armok (intentional), The Bulwark, the Steel Marshals, the Silver Cataphracts (all embroiled in the Crucible), and I don't know of any others. Others will have to chime in.

>>34461661
He could of been found by Hektor, similar to how Alpharius was found by Horus. Gives a stronger connection.

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>>34461578
...WHAT?! I CAN'T HEAR A THING!

>>34461661
that auxiliary should be your legions pre-heresy secret. Say only the Children, and Hektor knew about it, maybe Darius learns of it, but too late to warn anyone..

>>34461681
Ah, okay. I ask because I was thinking about having the Scale Bearers get stranded by a Warp Storm on their way there, only for them to head back home to Jera Syk to replenish numbers as soon as the Warp Storm ended.

>>34461682
Yes, the emperors favoured son would have had more sway with him, allowing Aubrey to keep his xeno auxiliary on condition.

This grew into a pact of trust between the two.
Aubrey often offering his legions services to his campaigns, his marines were useful to limiting the number of deaths.

That pact, somewhat betrayed by his turning of Hektor.

>>34461640
The fluff author for the Iron Rangers on 1d4chan noted that they never made it to the Siege of Terra due to being intercepted en route by the Scions of Europa (not sure why they used my legion there, but heh, I guess it works). The remainder of the Scions arrived on Terra to fight off the Silver Spears, with Kleisthenes fighting Hektor alongside Gaudin and the Emperor aboard the Sun Chariot.

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>>34461287
http://pastebin.com/5fWB9zCh

VERY first draft. Endless dinosaur puns, I assure you. Beyond that, what needs fixing?

Does anyone need anything on the wiki edited or put in? I'm bored.

>>34461787
Troll through the thread and find stuff that was discussed but not added

>>34461787
My legion is non existent. Could you add them?

>>34461781
>just noted I forgot to finish one of the sentences

Hate my life. It was supposed to finish with "arms, and the Preomnor organ was found to be completely defunct. These, however, were no real detriment to the Crusade."

>>34461806
Yeah I'll add them.

>>34461805
I'll do that yeah.

I'm also going to fix it up so we don't have so many different things on the contents part because it's crazy full right now. We could even make separate pages for our legions and such.

>>34461844
Nah, keep it all on one page, but only put major stuff in the contents. Lots of Legions have sub-sections which have unnecesary contents links

>>34460352

Would this be the Tallarn equivilant? 10 million tanks, the biggest armoured battle ever?

>>34460153
>All the Marines with Rook's Geneseed are physically weaker than normal.

Weaker than normal Space Marines, right? Yeah, I figured that was the case, though in the AU they might be successful enough that the Nova Defender level of strength is considered normal for a Marine...

>>34461732
Dont worry about it. Us Children can be devils with all the manipulation.
It wasn't your fault that you turned Hektor.
Or that those auxiliaries we introduced you to turned out to be the main cause of your heresy...

I figured Hektor would understand and let you do it as long as you kept it seriously quiet and secret because the Great Crusade was partly *against* the xenos cos you know the xenophobic dick the big E was.

And Uriel was happy to keep it secret because he was planning to use it for his own purposes all along...

>>34461734
I think that is because originally your Legion took the role of the Ultras - ie not on Terra, picked up the pieces afterwards.
That changed since I believe. But SOMEONE, has to *not* be on Terra to get caught up with the Iron Rangers and their Alpha Legion guerrilla war...


EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE - i just edited the Bulwark, but as i took so long writing so much, someone cut them in that time meaning i may have just overwritten a lot of Silver Spear fluff.

This is why we don't cut. Also my bad, but when i started it was all in the right section etc.

Right so what I'm doing is, instead of in the primarchs bit having a bunch of information about the legion mixed in, just having it about the primarchs then having the stuff about the legions down below. That alright with everyone?

>>34461219

Rate our Warcry

Blood and Fire!

Now what Loyalist Legion had a small empire in the north that the Sons of Fire burned to the ground?

We need to work out who was where. I'll post my map in the Google Doc and we can copy and add battles to it for me to codify.

We have a NotTallarn, a NotShadowCrusade, do we have a NotPhall and a NotCalth or NotSignus?

>>34461976
Aye.

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>>34461219
>>34461265
>>34461232
>>34461338
>>34461341
>>34461383
>>34461453
>>34461420
Perfect.

>>34461261
Nice, but I think it would be better with just "his Eyes are upon you!"


Also, r8 my battlecry:
Paradise awaits!

>>34461976
Hell yeah, that would be a lot more preferable.

>>34461895
you can't really use tanks on a forgeworld - its urban tanks suck in urban environs...

The wide open steppes, like a ww2 russian front tank battle with 100,000's of tanks etc yeah.
But not on a forge world, that shit makes no sense, unless you want traffic jam:the battle

>>34461920
Yes, weaker than a normal space marine.

>>34462023
>traffic jam:the battle
That actualy sounds really interesting

>>34462038

A massive battle in a mix of urban terrain and the wastelands between the forges.

I nominate Tolkhan to be the Forgeworld in question.

What are the lizard feet now?

>>34461965
Tricky, tricky children.

>>34461977

Also what Legion would fulfil the role of Word Bearers and help ascend the Bruned King?

>>34461219

Might as well join the r8train.

Muh warcry: Imperium Undying! Mankind Reborn!

>>34462110
I believe I have become notEmpsChildren/notWordBearers.

>>34462100
Scale Bearers.

By the way, just checking - it was the Black Augurs that rekt me at Istvaan, right?

>>34462131

How would you like some quality bonding time with a Legion of Pyromaniacs, burning the 100 worlds of the War Scribes to ash?

You can even get the credit for making a Daemon Prince in the bargain.

>>34462177
I could lead my Cult of the Juggernaut.
a 3000 strong force of half daemonic, mostly metal khornate bull centaurs.

>>34462224
Make that fleshmetal and we have our AU obliterators, with no teleport but instead going fast.

I didn't get to sleep last night, so I'm going to do that now. See you guys in a couple hours.

>>34462224

The Burning Crusade was a joint military campaign conducted during the opening days of the Hektor Heresy into the Realm of the War Scribes by the Primarchs Aubrey The Grey of the Eternal Zealots Legion and Inferox of the Sons of Fire Legion. The two Traitor Legions proceeded to lay waste to the War Scribes Legion's stellar empire in the north-eastern Fringe of the galaxy, rapidly destroying twenty-six worlds in quick succession. This campaign ensured the success of the sorcerous Ruinstorm, which would ultimately divide the galaxy in two, effectively cutting Ultima Segmentum in its entirety off from the rest of the Imperium of Man. Ultimately, the Traitors' campaign proved successful though it didn’t entirely knock out the War Scribes. It also set the Sons of Fire Legion irreversibly onto the path of damnation in service to Chaos and also led to the apotheosis of Inferox into a Daemon Prince of the Blood God Khorne.

so were doing warcry's now? damn im behind

>>34462325
We're just kinda doing whatever strikes our fancies. It's not like we're on a timetable or anything.

>>34462364

So what's the name of your Enclave? Your Battered Legion withdraws to it to rebuild and regroup, but then the Burning Crusade hits it in full, and Orannis has two angry legions driving into his realm, burning everything to fule the Ruinstorm.

>>34461781
Weren't these guys about riding dinosaurs and using trained animals in battle? What happened to that?

>>34462409
Hmmm.... Well, one of the core ideals of the War Scribes is rebuilding what has been lost, they're very much the kind of people who would want to turn the tide of the crumbling Roman Empire, or the Mongol Empire, or any empire, really. They see something falling apart and have this innate desire to repair and rebuild it.

Any of that suggest a possible name? I'm actually kinda drawing a blank.

>>34462422
I'd mentioned biowarfare early on, but had sort of ignored it at first. The beasts definitely saw more action against WAAAGH Sarkus, though.

>>34461965
Alright, I'll delete the Scions from the Rangers entry to let someone else fill that role.

>>34462038
>>34462076
i thought we were cutting the joke shit out?

seriously, no self respecting mechanised commander would deploy all his tank etc on/in a heavily urbanised world - and a forge world has to be like that otherwise its just a world with some forges, not a forgeworld. Ya know?

By the way I added and expanded on the Bulwark 0 they actually do shit now...
Check its all good with you and so you understand the fluff here i guess

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>>34462318
>The Burning Crusade

>>34462580

It could be the Enclave, or Bastion, or the Remnant.

>>34462663
Mars wasn't all Forges. Much of the space between the forges was empty space. Most Forgeworlds would have vast empty rad-wastes and deserted spaces contaminated by refuse.
And you need a reason to fight on a world. What could be more vital a target then a Forgeworld?

>>34462706
Someone finally gets the joke.

>>34462706
kek

Wrath of the Lich king was the shit tho

>>34461674
Still looking for input on what my de-facto Legion Commander should be lilke. I have no real ideas.

I'll post this again when we get a new thread, but I've uploaded a Map of the Isstvan V Dropsite, and I want all the Legions who were present there to mark on the map where they were deployed.
Doesn't have to look good or anything, just so we know.

Also most of the Legions don't have sigils yet. I'll post a concept one for the Sons of Fire in the next thread as well.

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>pictured is the great Mount Everest, a custom-commissioned battleship of the stone men, the largest battlecruiser ever made. during the great heresy it was attacked and captured by the combined might of 3 chaos space marine chapters. one third of the stone men were desroyed in this valiant defense, allowing the rest to escape. this and the defeat at isstvan forced the stone men to retreat to deep space
you decide who gets it
the surrounding ships are regular sized battlecruisers.

NEW THREAD

>>34462842

>>34462729
true but you wouldnt deploy the tanks in a way that would see the epic/titanic battles we seem to want - youd deploy mobile infantry. tanks cant function to their strengths in urban environs

>>34462822
Heralds of Hektor, of course.

>>34462822

Was it one of the Gloriana Class Ships?