>>34432982

Knights of Justice here. Looking good, happy to have my Legion tricked into their doom by a not- Alpha Legion because they're too trusting

>let's attack this empty world!
>our friends will support us in space!
>where's the enemy?
>why are we being Exterminatus'd?

>>34432982
I reckon that rather than fleeing, the traitorous Thunder Kings would have only been too happy to join the other traitors in attacking Terra (or whatever). Aside from that, I'd like for the loyalist ones to have been fucked a few times by somebody they may have trusted at some point before--'cus why not, plot.

Wolves of Dawn guy here. Still need to come up with a good Greek-mythology sounding name for the primarch. Already decided he's going to have his own council made up of four of his best captains. They're going to be called the heralds of Apollo and they serve two functions. First is to act as advisors to the primarch and second is to lead the spear tip, bringing the word of the big e and their primarch to those who live in ignorance.

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okay so far we have
TRAITORS
Silver Spears - Slaanesh legion with corrupt imperial Roman theme

Bulwark - technically traitors cos renegade - maybe sieged by a loyalist siege chapter

Black Augurs - fast and hard style - notNightLords

Life Bringers - Nurgle biology marines with Tzeentch favor for the changing aspect

Mastodonii - vehicle based and quick..

Council of Iron - traitors because renegade - straightforward tactics- non-magic? notThousandSons - inevitable march

Eternal Zealots - tone down the immortality regeneration and notEmperors Children replacement minus the slaanesh?

Stone Brothers - Salamanders with a twist

Argent legion -traitor imperial fists/ultras with said tactics/ethos?

Iron Rangers - notAlpha legion/Nightlords meets Ironhands love of technology.

Wolves of Dawn - our resident notSons of Horus with a greek companion theme?

Sons of Fire - our resident notWorldEaters with a flame obsession.

Children of Armok - AlphaLegion meets WordBearers. Started the whole Heresy by corrupting notWordBearers, and making them corrupt notHorus.

thats our Traitors

>>34433099
Heraklios, perhaps? Other names that spring to mind: Aurelios, Andronikos, Adonis, Aegeus, Hector, Hyperion, Midas . . there are really quite a few.

>>34433099
Why not Hector/Hektor? it starts with H and Hektor was a great hero of Greek Legend.
Or Agemmnon? although that name could be the notAbaddon

>>34433099
Cincinnatus. The irony is the best part.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Quinctius_Cincinnatus

>>34432982
I AM HERE
I'll right something later

>>34432982
Still looking for new OCs? I have a chaos legion idea here.

LOYALISTS

Knights of Justice - imperial fist feel with white scares tactics

Steel Marshalls - Imperial fists Siegeyness - ultramarine vibes

Mechanist Warriors - come into war late as ''press-ganged'' outright notWhiteSscars replacement

Silver Cataphracts - siege warriors SIEGED the Bulwark in the 'FORGE/CRUCIBLE'?

Omegon Annihalators - word bearers but loyal

The Crusaders - Imperial Fists

Void Privateers - Space wolves without the furryfaggotry - or blood angels without the waaaagh!

War Scribes - was notUltramarines? they both love a good codex? Need a new base or leave as is?

Green Dragons - Blood angels or DA? notBlood Angels?

Falcus Cobalt - resident notImperialFists. siegey-ness crossed with DA or BA seriousness

Thunder Kings - Dark Angels with traitor 'Fallen' kin to boot.

Eyes of the Emperor - long range tactics. Paranoid, Not sure who to base on? Or leave as is?

Scions of Europa - resident notUltramarines definitely - they are even tempered with smart if *sometimes* predictable tactics.

Lizard Feet - Lizard versions of notSpace Wolves

The Entombed - ironhands meets loyalist ironwarriors.

>>34433184
share it, but keep it short and focus on strategy, and what makes the chapter different/what defines it.

BUT to be honest, we need a bit more variation in our loyalists. They are quite similar at the moment.
But we are making this up for ourselves, so we don't have to follow GW's blueprint.

>>34433143
>>34433156
Yeah these both sound good. How about Hektor Cincinnatus?

Also he could rebel because he see's a vision of a world where the legions are nothing but a police force because the emphs makes peace with the eldar. The he goes crazy cause he hates xenos and only want to fight.

If people don't mind - I will tinker with the legions roles/archetypes and make them a bit more unique than they are where needed - and define their position/flavour properly?

Otherwise we have to cut legions - and I dont want to do that. Cos we have to cut equally from both sides.

At the moment everyone seems to favour siege and sneaky chapters for the most part, no-one has opted for the melee/close quarters oriented style.

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So, coming up with a backstory...
>Backwards tech planet homeworld
>See all the technology when daddy comes to town
>Can't get enough
>study EVERYTHING
>Emps/notDorn/notGuilleman are pissed because their methods can work really slowly to obtain a world/not AWESOME enough.
>Start fucking more and more with shit they don't understand
>start installing AI's/new programs into individual armors
>Emps gets disappointed, not angry, because they're fucking with/integrating DAoT/xenos tech.
>Start cutting backdoor deals with Mechanicum, loyalists get wind and report it
>Emps flips his shit, makes them melt every bit of awesomeness.
>keep the AI's (which are fucking with their brains)
>start working with pre-Dark Mechanicum to make AI's better. Start working on supervirus
>notHorus saddles up with the offer of autonomy, can rebuild the glorious tech of old.
>fuck yeah
>raep Mars, kinda ignoring notHorus/leaving him without support he figured he'd get
How's it sound so far?

>>34433295
Yeah that sounds alright. We definitely need more up close and personal legions.

>>34432982
Apathy Marines here, we're probably just going to stay inside and marathon The Wire - Brother Antonius has the whole set on Blu-Ray, you see.

You guys have fun with your whole civil war thing.

>>34433295
>>34433322
Actually, that can work for me. Putting mine significantly more into Night Lords territory. It fits, though. Finding new tech doesn't just apply to long range firepower. Focusing on better jumpacks, more personal teleporters, more efficient power weapons/faster power/chanifists, etc.

>>34433295
Mechanist Warrior fag here, need me to flesh out the legion?

>>34433298
thats cool - although i'd have notHorus/Hektor offer you to take what you will from mars - AFTER the heresy is complete. And you were meant to be on Terra with notHorus, but instead get distracted by your own tech seeking agenda on a big forgeworld out of the sector - drawing away the notUltramarines, but you can decide how that goes as you like, not how the AlphaLegion/Ultras little war went down.
Although I liked the idea from the last thread where your chapter is responsible for the Virus thing on Mars..

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Posting again

>>describe your talents as a primarch
Primarch Golgothos is extremely tough and hard to kill. He is stubborn, and once he has made up his mind he will hold his position well past the point of reason. After an Ork WAAAGH on his homeworld, he was mortally wounded, and is now entombed within a Dreadnought.
>>what is the name of your legion?
The Entombed. Their armour is dull grey with white helmets and weapons.
>>what are its main tactics/characteristics?
Due to the flaws of their gene seed, The Entombed find it necessary to armor their marines more heavily than the Codex Astartes demands. The Entombed have a disproportionate amount of Terminators, Centurions, and Dreadnoghts, and the few Power Armoured marines you'll see them field will typically be holed out in heavily fortified positions.
>>as a primarch, where do you land on the whole Council of Nikaea issue?
Golgothos loathes all Psykers, and believes the Emperor Alone should have access to the powers of the Warp. If he could, he would exterminate every witch in the galaxy.
>>at the time of the heresy, who do you side with?
Golgothos stayed true to the emperor, and committed his forces to the defense of Terra. Many of his men fell in battle, killed by daemons summoned by the Thousand Sons.
>>Describe any special friendships/rivalries your legion has with any of the others
Golgotha and his legion would let ten thousand hive worlds burn just to kill a handful of Thousand Sons. Golgotha's hatred for Magnus is overpowering and unreasonable, and he would do anything for revenge.

>>34433403
>>Describe some of your legion's most memorable victories/defeats.
The Entombed are known best for their eternal war against the Orks which inhabit their homeworld. Big Mek Skullgub has led numerous WAAAGHs against the Entombed's fortress-monestary, The Catacomb. None of his WAAAGHs have managed to be successful, but he has managed to loot more than a few Dreadnoughts.
>>Leman Russ has been told that you and your legion are going to Chaos. Now his fleet is in your home planet's orbit. What do?
Maintain loyalty and give no ground. Golgothos' stubbornness would likely lead to war.
>>what's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed or traditions?
A defect in The Entombed's geneseed has made it extremely difficult to recover. The Entombed in turn have very small numbers, and choose to heavily arm their Space Marines in terminator or centurion armour, and do not hesitate to place their wounded in Dreadnought armour.
>>what is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?
The Entombed are famous for their Ossuary-Pattern Dreadnoughts, heavily armoured, pondorously slow, and armed with Demolisher Cannons
>>after the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?
As previously mentioned, We field very few Power Armour Marines, preferring to field Terminators, Centurions, and Dreadnoughts.
>>what blandishments did Horus offer you to try to convince you to join?
Horus offered Golgothos an STC which could replicate a device capable of curing the Gene-seed defect of the Entombed. Golgothos crushed the STC, told Horus his loyalty could not be bought, and mobilized his legion for war.

>>34433226
>describe your talents as a primarch

Keen analytical mind, utter inability to feel or understand pain and suffering, dispassionate and quietly second-guesses everything.

>what is the name of your legion?

The Waste Walkers

>what are its main tactics/characteristics?

Emphasis on gathering intelligence and (very) thorough strategic planning, but with a tendency to sacrifice initiative on observing the foe. And if it comes down to that, to carry the day with Marines who wade through fire and don't give a fuck about having bits blown off.

>as a primarch, where do you land on the whole Council of Nikaea issue?

Readily agrees the the censure and close supervision of psykers, not the least because they tend to react badly to my geneseed.

>at the time of the heresy, who do you side with?

That's the rub, isn't it? A large part of the legion definitely fell to Slaanesh, who had the power to mend the gaping hole in their souls. I know that I, personally, was not convinced by Horus who underestimated my self-doubt. The overall picture is a bit messy.

>>34433099
Nemean. For the Lion killed by Hercules. Sort of thumb your nose at the space yiffs naming everything based on wolves.

"So, you're the leader of the Wolves of Dawn?"

"Yes"

"You realize you're named after a big cat, though, right?"

"Your point is . . . "

"Nothing, just pointing it out"

>>34433395
If you wouldn't mind that would be great yeah.
Just post it with your posting name as your chapter if thats not too much trouble

>>34433380
That makes sense, I like that.

>>34433379
shiiiieeeeeeeeetttt Brother Omar is coming!

>>34433403
No need to post that stuff again - I got all i needed for flavour. We just need motivations and aims your legion has.
And if you don't mind little changes being made, i'll try keep the feel of your legion as it is, I do like it/ Indomitable and Sombre/Serious.

>>34433402
So, we were supposed to touch down and just fuck up the defenses, implant that supervirus based on our own fucked up AI, and bounce to Terra to do the same. Once on Mars, did our job, and promptly turned into a kid in a candy store.
>Or, more accurately, Michael Jackson at an orphanage.
Start murdering the fuck out of anything loyal while just raping all the technology for ourselves.
notHorus' forces descend on Terra, only to notice that the defences are, strangely, still there. In full. And royally fucking shit up. Thereby, requiring Empy and notHorus to duke it out in person.
Primarch: Rogeris Merrill
Sounds dumb, but it's pulled from a couple of badasses in history (that were in the US Rangers)

>pod crashes on Alessia, a feudal world populated by NotCelts
>Brennus is found by a smaller tribe, believed to be the avatar for one of their local gods as he grows
>slowly kills off most competing tribal leaders; unifies the rest via a great council
>is said to have domesticated a styggodon, a rhino-like animal, and thus pioneered the first use of cavalry on the planet
>uncertain about joining the emps, but does so, viewing it as inevitable
>is surprised, somewhat dismayed by his legion when he's introduced to it. full of bitter old men (who believe the sentiment that they've been made obsolete) and bitter youngsters that can do little more than follow their direction.
>recruits from Alessia help, bringing the tribal spirit to the legion. thunder kings are reorganized, with distinct "tribes" formed internally, standing out by the distinctive heraldry they wear or paint on their armour.
>Brennus is the vercingetorix, and those twelve others that sit on the tribe council are the cingetorix, the great warriors.
>personality clashes are infrequent, though not unheard of. Brennus urges patience and caution in all things; encourages friendly feuding however.
>gradually, the oldest marines are phased out, and it's generally believed that any remaining thunder warriors are gone after the first few campaigns. the Thunder Kings grow closer, but still remember and remain insecure as a whole about their heritage.
>insert backstory with brother legions, Brennus being autistic probably
>Cingetorix Selioax takes seven of the twelve tribes with him, follows Cincinnatus(?) in rebellion against the Emprah.
>Brennus sits in Alessia, torn, only his personal tribe still with him while the other remaining four make for Terra.

just some thinkan and some plottan

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Argent legion -traitor imperial fists/ultras with said tactics/ethos?

My idea for them was they would just fight will attempting to maximize advantage. Hence ambushing, falling back to defences, its all so they win easier.

Primarch Malphas

During the heresy after some particularly dark and heinous deed the dark gods rewarded Malphas.

He was granted ascension. His form was warped and changed, his stature grew.
His armour became his flesh, a reflective chrome covered him entirely.
Of his face its noble visage was lost, replaced with a blank and featureless mask reflecting his gaze.
His two arms had become four and each carried a daemonic scimitar hungering for souls.
The change had given much but taken more. Malphas could not speak.
Should his sons address him their minds would be assaulted by thunderous laughter. Such was its power that it drove many of them mad.
When not in battle Malphas is always found gazing into something reflective, of what he sees, none can say.

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>>34433379
You. Don't stop being awesome

>>34433295

Go for it, will be lurking if I can help

>>34433403
>>34433420
What sets The Entombed apart from the Iron hands/warriors is that they generally do not field tanks or rhino variants. The Ossuary-pattern dreadnoughts (which are too bulky and heavy to be deployed by dreadnought) generally fulfill the same role Vindicators do, and regular dreadnoughts are used instead of predators. The Entombed generally fight defensively, using their Dreadnoughts as shock troops, Centurions, Thunderfires, and Ossuaries as long-to-mid-range firing platforms, and Terminators as generalists.

The Entombed do not generally engage in external conflicts. They sit on their homeworld of Sepulchra, enduring the onslaughts of the Orc WAAAGHs. Only two battle barges generally leave Sepulchra, the Catafalque and the Psyker's Grave. These battle barges patrol the galaxy looking for any information regarding the location, actions, and plans of the Thousand Sons (or perhaps some other in-thread equivalent?) When any information is found, The Entombed initiate a full-scale offensive against the Orks to thin the herd, then when they feel the Orks are no longer capable of attacking them, they deploy full-force against their ancient foe.

Sepulchra is an ashen wasteland, barely able to support life. The surface is covered in craggy grey badlands, with gale force winds kicking up heavy dust storms. There is a deep network of natural caverns which reaches miles below the surface, and it is here that the Orks make their home.

>>34433449
>Describe any special friendships/rivalries your legion has with any of the others

I liked intellectual primarchs like Magnus, and was respected by those who liked listening to second opinions. Of course, this didn't make mine a popular legion as most Primarchs have large egos. I also had respect and fascination for Primarchs who endured great suffering, compelled to understand the strength they drew from such experiences. This makes me come across as a condescending ass to them.

>Describe some of your legion's most memorable victories/defeats

Victory: walking straight through a country-sized warp illusion to put an end to a Chaos-worshiping empire on a major world.

Defeat: seconding-guessing its own intelligence and committing a major strategic blunder.

>Leman Russ has been told that you and your legion are going to Chaos. Now his fleet is in your home planet's orbit. What do?

Inadvertently psychoanalyze him into losing his shit and launching a preemptive attack. Fall back on superior planning and stoic don't-give-a-fuckedness.

>>34433602
>(which are too bulky and heavy to be deployed by dreadnought

*drop pod

>>34432982

Off-topic, but why does the second astartes to the left have an icon of a holy bishop on his pauldron?

>>34433650
...Because reasons?
Good question to ask, as that would have been from the Luna Wolves, while the Imperial Truth was still in effect.

Additional flavor for Legion:
>Chaos are not gods. There are no gods. They are simply insanely powerful warp beings. And extremely useful/helpful to have on your side.

Okay guys, I'm just fleshing out the legions a bit, names for your primarchs are welcome.
Nearly done the Loyalists, once I post it up, start working out rivalries and such.

>>34433403
>>34433420
>>34433602
Iconography: The Entombed decorate their Armour with skull iconography, and many Entombed collect the skulls of their enemies, and sometimes use them to decorate their armour.

Leadership: The Entombed do not have a Chief Librarian, nor any Librarians. Instead, the Chief Apothecary plays an extremely important role, being the second highest rank in the legion, and Apothecaries are much more prevalent. Terminator squads are almost always accompanied by Apothecaries in terminator armour. These Terminator-Apothecaries are referred to as Undertakers, much like how Sanguinary priests have a unique name.

Any ideas on which in-thread legion could replace the Thousand Sons as our mortal enemies? None of you seem psyker-heavy.

Can't we all just get along?

>>34433615

>what's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed or traditions?

Malfunctioning Mucranoid can occasionally cause elephantiasis and deadened sense of touch. And there's the whole "don't feel pain" thing, which leads to the general inability for a Marine to monitor his own well-being. The legion compensates with an extensive array of telemetry sensors wired to the Marine's auto-senses.

>what is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?

Scouts, Land Speeders, and other light vehicles that form a highly independent advance/skirmishing force for the less flexible main formations, which tend to operate with massive, bludgeoning force. An unusually heavy preponderance of signums and auspices.

In combat, the power fist and the thunder hammer, found in every assault unit - "The first blow tests, the second blow finishes."

>after the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?

Of the Waste Walkers who fell to Chaos, the majority pledged their souls to Slaanesh in order to be able to enjoy the full range of experiences they believed they were missing. Others, horrified and disgusted by their first experience of pain, set around to exterminate their fellows and some fell to Nurgle just so to eliminate suffering from the universe. Yet others remained dispassionate observers to the suffering of others, struggling to understand what they are genetically locked from understanding.

It is said that as his broken children tore each other apart in a thousand new and horrible ways, the Primarch merely watched.

>what blandishments did Horus offer you to try to convince you to join?

See above - to finally understand the lot of humanity in the war-torn galaxy, which is to say to suffer.

>>34433295
Steel Marshals fag here, they're pretty cqc. Honor and muh duels

>>34433807
Friends (?)
Black Augurs - Like their style
Life Bringers - overlapping research
Children of Armok - agreeable methods
Renegade Thunder Kings - research/tech exchange setup(?)

Enemies
Argent Legion - too strict in doctrine. May or not have had a few skirmishes since falling
Sons of Fire - view them as stupid and reckless, SoF view the IR as pansies
Knights of Justice - disagreement of implementation of similar strategies, KOJ has a stick up their ass
Steel Marshalls - Opposite side of spectrum
Void Privateers - disagreement over implementations, personal feud between primarchs (?)
War Scribes - gave us shit back in the day
Loyalist Thunder Kings - Keep on ruining our business dealings with the renegades/tergeted due to closeness of groups.
Scions of Europa - same as War Scribes

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I did a first draft type of thing of a Wolves of Dawn colour scheme. What'd you guys think? Should I change it to be more whiteish for the while wolf thing?

>>34433491
Primarch Name: Fjordous Machenis
Homeworld: Dunmuragh (Still deciding on a type, any suggestions?)
Modus Operandi: What makes them work effectively as a legion is how they are loose and adaptable. They can and will use unconventional tactics to get an edge over the enemy and are great believers in smart fighting is better than being good at it.
The Primarch: Quite soft spoken and easy to forget about he is more at home leading his legions vehicular strikes than he is in combat.
Uniquely among his legion he is of light hair and skin as he grew up part mostly indoors working with technology.
He has some skill as a smith but where he truly shines is how much extra he can extract from a machine in his usage.
He wields a bolt pistol and powerfist if he is fighting as infantry and will work as part of an honour guard assault marine squad.
Going to go through and heavily update the original writing piece since it's vastly outdated now.

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>>34433449
>>34433615
>>34433876
So there we are. The Waste Walkers legion. Inspired largely by T.S. Eliot's The Waste Land, so their Primarch's name is probably Elijah or Helias or something like that.

Any comments? Any suggestion as to whether they fit better on the Traitor or Loyalist side?

>>34433983
Add some white, but not too much. Maybe Arms and Head? Head and Pauldrons? A touch more grey, and a few more colors, too. Maybe knee/elbows, belt, and stomach piping. No offense, it just seems a little plain for most space marines.

>>34433226
>Silver Cataphracts - siege warriors SIEGED the Bulwark in the 'FORGE/CRUCIBLE'?

Someone managed to get them to go out and do something on their own?

Well, I guess that's their burst of motivation for this stage of things.

>>34434070
I just realised it looks like Fireman Space Marine. Going to re do it.

> >describe your talents as a primarchLoud, boisterous, and a braggart, the Void Kings Primarch is a cold tactician at heart. He deliberately presents himself as somewhat thick, in order to hide his schemes and power plays as he believes that what is fair is what you have the strength or cunning to take and keep. He keeps his word, but will always go with the letter of a deal as opposed to the spirit if it benefits him. He is jealous of any who is in command of him, except the Emperor whom he fears completely. Noticeable in that he has only been on Earth once, and avoided the Emperor whenever possible.

>what is the name of your legion?

Void Kings

>>34433966
On my phone atm. Cant do much posting for the Marshalls

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Oh god I am not good at this thing.

Still need a traitor legion to be my mortal enemies, preferably Psyker-heavy.

>>34433099
Call him Oedipus

Okay anons, I've fleshed out the Legions a little bit, tried to make them a bit more divergent from eachother. Took some liberties, so if you don't like it, just say so - it's not set in stone or shit. But some compromises have to be made I guess.

>>34434167
>>34434061

This isnt a legion building thread - that happened in the other thread. Sorry guys, your guys can be successor chapters though. Who do you think your guys are most like from the list above and the one i will post in a second?

>>34433099
On a serious note, Menoetius is a fitting name as he was the titan of violent anger, rash action and human mortality in Greek mythology

Knights of Justice - resident notRavens Guard .
They are fast and surgical. Hold a code of honour most highly, and are rather zealous and stubborn. Tricked by the Traitor legions in an Istvaan V style scenario, and has spent post heresy trying to recover their huge losses.
Like to get up close and personal to bash/slice in skulls.

Steel Marshalls - Iron Warriors siegyness - with an ultramarine pragamtic vibe
Even tempered, noble, and pragmatic. Their siege methods are archaic, using ladders, tunnels, and constructed siege towers like the Terrans of Old. They succeed through their natural toughness, armour, and their exceptional skill at close combat.
They almost completelty eschew firearms and traditional vehicles in favour of melee weaponry, and often use custom reinforced boarding shields. They will often challenge enemies to duels, and have more power swords than most legions.

Mechanist Warriors - come into war late as ''press-ganged'' outright notWhiteSscars replacement.
Reluctant to pick sides in a fight between brothers, eventually siding - after some considerable pressure from the Omegon Annihalators - with the Emperor. They favour fast and unconvetional tactics.
Serious, wild, and sometimes reckless through bravado and heroics.


Silver Cataphracts - Siege warriors and heavy assaults.
Dour and sombre to the point of fatalism, the Cataphracts can seem unmotivated at times. They do however get shit done. They are very effective siege warriors, preferring to breach fortifications then charge in with heavy weapons supporting the assault. Despite their fatalistic nature, they enjoy a good drink.

Omegon Annihalators - word bearers but loyal
They are fierce, and zealous, undying followers of the Emperor and His Will. They eschew complex strategies for faith and cold steel. They favour close quarters combat and are like the Black Templars meets Word Bearers. flamers/meltas, Bolters, and close combat weaponry.

>>34434220
The other thread is dead and also autosaging, so I hope you don't mind moving the legion building here.

>>34434220
K, deleted extra posts. Link to old thread so I can catch up?

>>34434320
old thread is
>>34414189

>>34434285
Not too sure on the super archaic vibe. Maybe Land Raiders and their own hades like siege drill? Slow armored transports?

The Crusaders - Imperial Fists without the siegey-ness.
Zealous, but tempered. They make a point of being fair and honourable where they can. Were second most powerful legion after the Heresy. Offered a logical and well thought out alternative to the Codex offered by the Scions of Europa.
Dislikes - Scions of Europa, frenemies/rivalry

Void Privateers/Kings - Space wolves without the furfaggotry - or blood angels without the waaaagh!
Roguish, affable and quite boisterous. They seem uncouth and undisciplined to the more codex legions, but no-one can argue the Void Privateers aren't good at what they do. They love a good close up fight.

War Scribes -
Cautious, methodical, and predictable. They are competent only for their sheer eye for analysis and detail. Where other legions favour boldness, the Scribes favour tried and proven methods, and do not deviate from them. They are the least fun marines.

Green Dragons - Blood angels or DA? notBlood Angels?
Always calm, and stalwart, and capable of being quite jovial, the Dragons will boldly face any threat with measured force.
Counter to their calm nature, they favour whatever weapon is most useful to the situation, having a diverse armoury to choose from.

Falcus Cobalt - Massed guns, defensive but not siege-y.
The Falcus are jovial yet stoic. They are however precise and scarily adept at using targeted attacks to remove or weaken an enemy threat. They make great use of snipers and devastators, and have more predators and devastators than most legions.

Thunder Kings - resident notDark Angels with traitor 'Fallen' kin
even-tempered, proud, and noble. The Thunder Kings took the Heresy badly, with many of their legion fighting for Hektor and his Traitors. They are now repentant, trying to clean up their mess quietly.
Likes - Children of Armok, doesnt trust them, but is grateful for their discreet help with tracking down their Fallen brothers.

>>34434285
Yes I like this, this matches what I was going for perfectly.

>>34434336
I did like the siege tower idea

>>34434290
Sorry anon, this was for the AU horus heresy stuff. We would have needed a different thread anyway because we werent on topic of the last thread.

>>34434336
okay no worries, change it to how you see fit, i was just trying to differentiate between the 3-4 different siege oriented legions as best i could.
I though it might be a bit of a stretch.

>>34434220

>>34434167 here. I guess I can do successor chapter. Wanted to make Vikings in Space! With a dash of severe dickery. Land grab during the HH, pissing off the Ministorum, staying in good with the Mechanicus by assisting explorator missions - and looting anything they can on the side. CCW focused, with an emphasis on speed to get them there. Recruited from nobility that puts their children into artificial death worlds created in their fief, all chapter serfs are from families that train specifically for it and are commoners reinforcing the heirarchy but creating almost a separate one with lots of backstabbing for position. Motto "Winning is Honour", meaning they're tricksy bragging assholes. You know, Vikings.

Eyes of the Emperor - long range tactics. Favour shooting to close combat. notSalamanders
Paranoid, wary, and skittish by nature, the Eyes of the Emperor favour engaging their enemies at range. As such, they spend a lot time crafting and mainting equipment - they have gotten rather good at it. They are ridiculed by some close combat oriented legions, but have a good relationship with the mechanicus, and were present in the defense of Mars.

Scions of Europa - resident notUltramarines
The Scions are even tempered and practical with smart if predictable tactics. They aren't the most flexible legion, but their adherence to their Codex allows them to be prepared to work with all legions, and counter all foes. They were the strongest loyalist legion post Heresy, and used that time, with some secret backing from the Children of Armok, to get their Codex approved.
Dislikes - Crusaders, frenemies/rivalry

Lizard Feet - Lizard versions of notSpace Wolves
Wild yet calm and collected by nature, the Lizard Feet are a strange chapter, who only get away with their rampant use of the dinosaurs from their homeworld because of their legions strength and effectiveness. They excel in jungle warfare like no other.

The Entombed - ironhands meets loyalist ironwarriors.
The Entombed favour defensive sieges. They do not besiege because of the casualties inherent with doing so.
They are indomitable, and stoic to the point of absurdity. They strangely have very few vehicles, preferring to use Dreadnoughts custom fitted to suit roles the legion desired.

>>34434391
I can lose the siegeness and go full Knight. I just wanted to keep the rmpire building vibe

>>34434410
Oh, and way more politically involved then the space wolves, but more cynical about it. Inquisition wants to kill all these dudes that saw the Grey Knights? How much will you give us to look the other way?

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the stone men are dissapointed by their lack of inclusion in this thread

>>34434285

Excellent work anon, really digging this. I can see us being bros with the Omegon Annihalators and Steel Marshalls due to their love of close assault

>>34434463
10/10 paint scheme brown as fuck

>>34434440
Also, more opportunistic then anything else. Not cowardly in battle, but they don't fight losing ones if they can avoid it. Pisses off their allies sometimes because of this, but once they join a fight they don't run due to the loss of position that comes with failure so they're just particular about which ones they join.

>>34434285
Not bad, though I wouldn't call them fatalistic, just not easily excited by anything that doesn't go boom or bang.

>>34434463
Sorry Stone Men, I wanted to include you but had to make some cuts, i'm happy to have you be a prominent successor chapter though..
>>34434523
Sorry like i said, i was just trying to diffeentiate them. I saw the fatalism like the russian way of 'eh so what, lets drink', rather than a depression kind.

>>34434616
stone men come from the dust, we do not need to be the first or the last
we are like the rock, eternal and unmalleable

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Pre- vs Post-Heresy scheme.
And yes, they prefer to be camouflaged.

>>34434669
Who the hell are the Iron Rangers? They'd have to be one of the twenty Legions to have a pre-heresy colourscheme.

>>34434694
this is a AU anon. There are no GW legions now. Only /tg/s creations.

Iron Rangers are a legion in this AU Horus Heresy

>>34433972

Argent Legion since falling indeed loves a good skirmish. We can even hate* each other. Glorious.

*Hate not exclusive, Argent Legion has big ego.

>>34434714
what?
I thought there were just a bunch of extra primarchs lying around

>>34434424
I don't know that we're all that significant to Iron Warriors/Hands. They're all about vehicles and techmarines, whereas The Entombed are all about Terminators, Dreadnoughts, and Apothecaries. Really, I'm envisioning Undertakers featuring very heavily in Entombed forces. The Entombed only have as many techmarines as are needed to maintain their Dreadnoughts, battlebarges, etc, no more than most legions, and they don't have any sort of legion-wide reverance for machine spirits like the Warriors/Hands do.

A terminator battleforce would be lead by either a Captain or Chaplain in terminator Armour. His direct inferiors would be the Apothecaries, who each command a battalion of Terminators. The Battalions are broken up into squads of 10, each of which is lead by an Undertaker (Terminator Apothecaries.) Squads of Terminators would generally work on the battlefield in pairs, with each pair supplemented by a standard Dreadnought, an Ossuary Dreadnought, a squad of Centurions, or a Thunderfire Cannon guarded by Tactical Marines.

In short, Apothecaries feature very heavily.

>>34434747
We'll take your surplus techmarines if you don't want them.

>>34434747
True, but the Iron Warriors were all about having a ton of armor and defensive positions, while the Hands love getting interred. It's actually viewed as the most prestigious position within the chapter, following a bit of their Flesh is Weak business. They also both love siege warfare, which seems to be where you want to take your army.

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>>34434616

yeah let the stone men in as a Legion, they were one of the first to be made in the last thread. only fair.

plus they had to be one of the first real original legions that wernt a clone of current ones/mix of current ones.

>>34434815
Yeah, I just want to make it clear that we're not a techmarine chapter.

>>34434747
Thats ok, i meant more in feel than in a literal replacement. But ok, the Entombed are changed to feature drastically more heavy armour such as terminators and dreadnoughts than any other legion.
To balance it a bit, you were one of the legions on Istvaan V.

>>34434838
Thats fair - who to cut in their place though?

>>34434889
Keep 'em all, Emperor got his cooking hat on in this reality.

What kind of colours should I use for the Wolves of Dawn? I was thinking a sort of gold/bronze/yellow mix for the whole sun thing. Then once Hektor turns to chaos make them the Heralds of Hektor or something and give them a much darker colour scheme. What'd you guys think?

>>34434346
Looking back at the previous thread, the War Scribes are also kinda like if the Iron Hands and Blood Ravens had a relic-obsessed baby, who was also... somewhat unable to deal with change or confusing things.

It's odd, it's like they'd be dangerous because of what they uncovered, either lore that others didn't want made public, or Dark Age shit no one wants pointed at their planet, rather than anything inherent to themselves.

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Added a third colour. I'd appreciate any improvement anyone else could do. Grey to be nice and somber, white for skulls, gold to make the armour feel like it's a decorated tomb itself.

So are ALL the traitor legions just sneakyfucks? They all seem the same.

>>34434862
>you were one of the legions on Istvaan V.

I don't really know what this means.

>>34434737
Hell, yeah, man. I just figured, we're Chaos, we hate on each other as much as we hate on the Empire. It takes a Warmaster to knock us in line.

>>34434346
I like it. It was what I was going for, but my writing skills weren't enough to convey. So big thanks for that

>>34435091
The Istvaan V Drop Site Massacre.
Basically, the Emperor got wind of Horus' scheme, so he sent 6 Legions to wipe his (apparent) 4 off the map. The first 3 to drop were the Iron Hands, Salamanders, and Raven Guard. They start kicking ass and taking names, even breach Horus' defenses. Then the Iron Hands, Word Bearers, and Night Lords dropped in for 'support.' All 3 Legions barely made it out. Ferrous Manus was beheaded by Fulgrim, Vulkan may or may not have been KIA, the Iron Hands are STILL hurting for numbers, 10,000 years later, and the Raven Guard had to try their hand at cloning to replenish theirs. It didn't work.

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I come back after a nice night of sleep and find that my Legion are the resident not!Ultramarines. I meant for my chapter to be more tactically flexible than the Ultramimarines; that's where their strength really lies - that, and their bravery (I came up with another thing about them. Even for Space marines, they're braver than most, and as such suffer higher losses due to a refusal to retreat unless the circumstances are absolutely dire).

So think Imperial Fists + Black Templars, with a lot of tactical flexibility thrown in.

Also, on an unrelated note, I came up with a colo scheme for a new chapter! They're fleet based, and make use of jump packs and high-tech weaponry, preferring lascannons and the like. (This one is a joke, look at the pic)

>>34434862
Another balancing factor is that The Entombed have extremely small numbers, they only have a few companies.

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>>34434616
>I saw the fatalism like the russian way of 'eh so what, lets drink'
...I like it. The only thing holding us back is our 'fuck it, let's drink' attitude and our love of Cataphractii armor.

I think modeling them, aesthetically at least, after the Minotaurs is called for.

>>34435190
Actually, on second thought I guess, think Ultramarines (reluctantly) + Black Templars + tactical flexibility and a Greco-Roman theme, and you have my legion.

>>34435190
What legion were you previously?
And notUltramarines is only meaning that you are our AU's equivalent in terms of position and loyalty. You can be however you wish to be.

>>34435241
We're the Scions of Europa.
>And notUltramarines is only meaning that you are our AU's equivalent in terms of position and loyalty. You can be however you wish to be.
oh, okay, I get what you mean now.

The pic I just posted was nothing more than a joke, a reference to a movie/tv show.

>>34435241
Can you make some sort of AU-Canon chapter equivalency chart? Which AU chapters are the big dogs, which are barely holding on? Who's closest to the Tau? Who got hit by the Tyranid hive fleets the hardest? Stuff like that.

Also, we have a lot of thematic overlap, and some gaps as well. No real psyker legion, LOTS of Not!AlphaLegions, several grego-roman legions, etc.

>>34433226
Angry marines? or only srs chapters allowed?

>>34435317
Well, we don't necessarily need to force these Legions into the exact patterns of the canon ones.

>>34435352
These aren't srs chapters, but ancient memes shouldn't be included. The Angry Marines are their own, colossally stupid thing, and have a long history all their own.

>>34435317
Yeah i'm trying to fix the lack of psykers - I made a psyker legion so thats something.
I was keeping it along the lines of how it is, ie the notUltramarines are in the position the Ultras are in canon - so Scions are the most powerful/with the most successors etc.
But there are gaps to fill in so yeah.

I'm about to upload the Traitors list.

>>34433226
Tactical Marines

>Brother Ramirez, take out that Greater Daemon with your fists!

>>34433807
Primarch's name: Thomas Gaudin. Named after the 20th and 22nd Grand Masters of the Knights Templar. What do you guys think? Any suggestions for changes?

>>34432982
Are we still adding more Legions, or do we have all the 20 filled?

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>>34435241

Echoing what that other anon was saying with the sameness. Make Argent legion arrogant to the max. Happy to be CC heavy aswell if it changes it up a bit.

>>34435098
Right on.

Also this is Argent Legion scheme. Symbol is two crossed scimitars.

>>34435422
No more legions, but successor chapters of the AU legions are welcome.

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TRAITORS

Silver Spears - slaanesh legion with imperial rome theme, notEmperors Children
Oppulent, excessive, hedonistic. They favour any method, but are easily baited by their emotional nature. They are a tough legion to face due to their obsession with training and constant striving for supremacy. They were present on Istvaan and Terra.

Bulwark - technically traitors cos renegade - Heavily defensive notIronWarriors
Sieged by the Silver Cataphracts and the Steel Marshalls in the 'CRUCIBLE' where they lured the two loyalist siege legions into an open challenge on a mega-fortified world.
Serious and dour, they are pragmatic to the bone, despite not being a heretic, they refuse to bow to the Emperor.

Black Augurs - notNightLords
They use fast and brutal tactics, favouring ambushes and any way they can inflict morale damage on their foes.
They didn't fall to chaos, but did choose to fight on Hektors side.
They were present at the Istvaan V scenario that nearly destroyed the strength of the Knights of Justice, the Entombed, War Scribes, and Lizard Feet.

Life Bringers - resident Nurgle Marines, but not quite death guard.
Pragmatic and logical to the extreme, they would rather eradicate a world and rebuild it with terraforming, than have to fix it as it is.
Used biowarfare before the heresy, were present both at Istvaan V, and at Terra.
Became Nurgles chosen legion, incorporating his diseases etc into their weapons. But also has some support from Tzeentch in secret, as he is happy about the vast changes they make to worlds.

Mastodontii - vehicle based and rapid assaults. Kind of like ChaosWhiteScars or Dark Eldar
The Mastodontii make extensive use of vehicles for rapid deployments and heavy support.
They are optimistic by nature, and will keep trying until they persevere.
They joined the traitors as they saw the Imperium as the rapidly stagnating form it was becoming.

>>34435451
Are you gonna do any traitor vs loyalist rivalries or nemesis'?

Council of Iron - resident notThousand sons Tzeentch
The Council does not bend. They are ridiculously stoic and utterly unfazeable. They are more stubborn than dwarves when their will is opposed.
They make extensive use of Psykers, and their Marines inevitable march towards their enemies, covered by heavy, *portable* firepower makes them a fearsome foe.

Eternal Zealots - notEmperorsChildren/Word Bearers not Slaanesh tho,
Proud, Zealous and self-righteous, the Zealots were the first chapter turned by the Children of Armok, and used to turn Hektor himself.
They desired to be shining examples of what the Emperors Will could do. This close-minded zealotry lead to their downfall however. They favour close combat, and will take any opportunity to duel a loyalist marine, to prove their superiority - especially since gaining the favour of the gods.

Argent legion -
was a loyalist at the beginning of the Heresy, due to hatred of Sons of Fire and Black Augurs primarchs, they turned traitor for reasons currently unknown. (creator chooses)
They use surgical strikes and ambushes. They seize control of strategic strongpoints and disable the enemies ability to fight.
They were innovative and competitive by nature, which drove them to extreme arrogance, but they were always friendly, if a bit over-bearing with their arrogant nature. How this has changed no-one knows.

Iron Rangers - notAlpha legion meets Ironhands love of tech.
The Iron rangers are pragmatists. They don't need to use a direct and costly assault when a sneaky assassination would get the job done. They are taught to work alone or in small groups, and using guerrilla tactics, have outfought much larger well equipped foes.
They turned traitor due to Hektors promise of the secrets on Mars. They never got there however, being confronted by the Scions of Europa en route to Terra.

Symbol for the legion:
A spear thrust through a skull, symbolizing attacking straight at the head of the enemy, and leaving the body to wither.

>>34435556
Sounds good to me...

>>34435451
>>34435556
I think I'm going to change my Legion a little bit. Instead of Thousand Sons (Council of Iron,) our hated, mortal enemy is the Life Bringers.

I think it's a cool Juxtaposition, having the good guys be a legion centered around death, and the bad guys a legion centered around life.

Think I might still keep on hating psykers though. Maybe Golgothos is even a Null?

>>34435394
>I was keeping it along the lines of how it is, ie the notUltramarines are in the position the Ultras are in canon - so Scions are the most powerful/with the most successors etc

If it's alright with you, I'd rather not have the Scions be the most powerful, with the most successors. I don't exactly want to be the not!Ultramrines. Flexibility tempered by discipline is what I want, but a I'd like us to be venerated Legion with relatviely few successor chapters (all of which have larger-than-normal numbers due to either Crusading or having to deal with somewhat higher-than-normal losses due to our refusal to retreat). We like Tactical Squads more than others.

Hmmm .... I guess in terms of tactics.mindset we're reminsecent of the Sons of Horus, but without, you know, the whole Heresy thing ....

I think it's a good idea to to make all of our legions the "not!*insert canon legion here.* The differences should be appreciable.

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I am too late to the party...

>describe your talents of your primarch
Samus Aran main modus operandi is entering the planet undetected and stealthily sabotage the enemy from the inside.

>what is the name of your legion?
Red Snowflake

>what are its main tactics/characteristics?
The Red Snowflake is all female spacemarine, because their primarch, Samus Aran is female. See geneseed defect.

>as a primarch, where do you land on the whole Council of Nikaea issue?
Neutral for it's usefulness, but oppose any violent reaction agaist psyker.

>at the time of the heresy, who do you side with?
The Emperor

>Describe any special friendships/rivalries your legion has with any of the others
Being the little sister of 19 Olympian Gods kinda sucks. Get along fine with Vulcan, and Guilleman for personality, for tactic appreciate Corax and Kurze. Leman Russ, while well meaning, is just too loud. Angron is too angry. Maintain distance with the rest of the Primarch.

>Describe some of your legion's most memorable victories/defeats
Victory: Utterly destroying a weird biological xenos fleet that threathen

>Leman Russ has been told that you and your legion are going to Chaos. Now his fleet is in your home planet's orbit. What do?
"Russ! You're not getting me laid! Stop trying!"

>what's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed or traditions?
Being female primarch, all the geneseed has a stable mutation, or maybe shouldn't called a mutation, just called adaptation, the geneseed only works for female. Thus making these a very red snowflake chapter.

>what is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?
Lascannon welded in her right arm.

>after the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?
N/a

>what blandishments did Horus offer you to try to convince you to join?
He offer me to be the Empress of mankind.
The idea is amusing, but ultimately Samus rejects it

>>34435639
I DON'T* think it's a good idea.

How did I miswrite that?

Wolves of Dawn - resident notSons of Horus/Black Legion.
Greek companion/fraternity feel. They prized brotherhood and fraternity above all else.
Corrupted by the Eternal Zealots, and pushed down the path to beginning the Heresy.
They were the most even-keeled of all the legions - able to enjoy themselves as well as be serious when required. Their fall was the greatest shock, as if the most well-rounded could fall, what does that mean for the other legions?
Upon the death of Hektor, his council, the Heralds of Apollo, briefly fought to decide who would take his place. Agamemnon, leader of the Wolves of Dawns first company would rise triumphant, and after the heresy, would repeatedly try to out-achieve his Primarch.
The Wolves were the largest legion before the Heresy, and now make up a large percentage of most of the Traitor legions attacks.

Sons of Fire - resident notWorldEaters
The Burned King was always a twisted soul. Twisted like a flame. The Sons of Fire are no different, obsessed with burning. Everything. They set entire systems ablaze for the Emperor, but they found a new master in Khorne. They are not angry, or even quick tempered, but are just cold, calm and ruthless. They were present on Terra and the Burned King is now a daemon prince. On Istvaan they collected all of the dead loyalists, and burned their bodies and armour to slag and ash, before piling their skulls in a pyramid inside of a captured ship, and firing it into the Warp.

>>34435451
>Mastodontii - vehicle based and rapid assaults. Kind of like ChaosWhiteScars or Dark Eldar
What happened my brothers?! We were kindred souls!
Seriously though if there was never more obvious rivalry.

and finally -
Children of Armok - AlphaLegion meets WordBearers with Cold War spy shit thrown in. Started the whole Heresy by corrupting the Eternal Zealots to be their legion-sized deniable asset. They did this to corrupt Hektor, who they saw as a route to greater power and knowledge, which is what the Children seek. Abnormal for a space marine legion, the Children make extensive use of espionage networks, and diplomacy/politics, preferring to force an enemy into a friend, or turn an enemy on itself.
Both sides think the Children dragged their feet, but ultimately sided with them. They Children did this as it allowed their spynetworks to double in size, and become far more useful.
They have started to gain more negative attention post heresy for their lack of following the Codex, from both the Scions for not following the Codex, and the more puritanical and skeptical factions of the Inquisition who are beginning to wonder how the Children get such accurate intelligence on the Traitors without being tainted themselves...


>>34435677
haha yes I envisaged that when I wrote them up.

Everyone else feel free to weigh in on rivalries, friendships etc.

I hope no-one is offended by my interpretation of their legion.

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>>34435556

Really cool man.

Argent Legion reason for turning? Hmm

I'd say someone smart appealed to their ego arrogance and competitive nature and promised freedom to pursue battle as they saw fit.

How is the Horus traitor? Cause he would of convinced Malphas.

>>34435742

How = who. And I see it was jektor who did it. If you have a cooler idea use it.

>>34435639
I get that, and I'm actually open to doing exactly that - but we need a basic framework to work with, and around.

We have like 30 legions as it is, and the notLegion stuff is merely an archetype based on strengths and loyalty, no more than that. I'm not forcing someones legion into being something they aren't, they just fill the role another potentially thematically/strategically similar legion did.

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>>34435742
>>34435789
that sounds like something the Children would do. Subtly bringing up in conversation how 'the Argent are better than x legion, but really just need to prove it, as they are currently under-appreciated.' Sowing the seed in their mind and allowing it to grow on its own, maybe with some more subtle pushes etc.

I think thats cool enough, you can pick what loyalist legion you want to prove your legion is better than :)

>>34435807
Ah, okay, got it. my apologies for the misunderstanding.

>>34435894

Cool the children did it. The gif they posted convinced me. I pick the Void Kings/Privateers to get mad about.

>>34436020
I-it's not like I wanted your eternal hatred or anything, Argent-sempai!

>>34436056

Hey man its not you its me lets hate other people.

But seriously if you would like to be the source of my downfall I'm happy to hate the entombed over void kings. Let's do it.

>>34436108
I think it would be neat to have a sort of hate-chain going on.

The Entombed hate the Life Bringers, and will let the whole galaxy burn just to kill a few of them. However, the Argent Legion hates The Entombed, and often get in the way, attacking just when The Entombed are prepared to attack the Life Bringers.

Or it's awful and dumb, I dunno.
Is the Life Bringers primarch even here?

Additional friend option: Council of Iron. Their goals probably sync quite well together, and the Council benefits greatly from the confusion caused in an IR attack.
Ideas on what has been done since the Heresy:
Various raids on Forge Worlds (possibly assisted in a major campaign on Armageddon), Raids on various Tomb Worlds to figure out their tech, as well as Craftworlds/Exodite and Tau planets. Trying to reverse engineer a soulstone, so they can develop one that would steal an Eldar soul (Eldar tech can't work without it, and you could offer it to Slaanesh in a pinch).
Trying to gain access to the Webway.
Various attempts to raid Mars (none successful).
However, their armor and weaponry is continually being upgraded, as with each raid, they bring back samples for the Dark Mechanicum. Their armor and weapons have been seen to include upgrades and features from almost every race imaginable, and even some rough prototypes of reverse-engineered xeno tech weapons.

Elaboration on why The Entombed hate the Life Bringers:

Angered and blinded by their betrayal, Golgothos chose to deploy all 10 companies on Istvaan V, holding not a single marine in reserve. He cut off the Black Augur's air support and deployed his Legion at a strongpoint, a narrow causeway between two lakes he knew the Augurs would have to move through if they wished to rendesvous with the other traitor legions. The Augurs called to the Life Bringers for support, and they opted to bombard the site with artillery shells loaded with gas. The bombardment killed eight entire companies of Entombed, without offering a single target to return fire upon. The Entombed's geneseed flaw means that all geneseed recovery has an 80% failure rate. Suffering such massive losses, The Entombed were forced to return to their homeworld, and have never recovered.

Can we talk chapter rules, or should we just stick to lore?

>>34436609
I've got no issues, but maybe we should move that to another page...

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>>34436609
go for it - i've done enough, I should let someone else join in/take over - and chapters might allow others to be join by being more inclusive etc.
Ie a successor doesn't have to have a good relationship with its parent legion...

but go ahead /tg/ do your thing!

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>>34436609
We should stick to lore.

Also this is the Primarch of the Black Augurs reporting. I see I've got some reading to do.

The primarch's pod landed on a jungle world Rai, the isolated centers of human civilization there maintained 19th century level technology. Quickly found and given to an orphanage, he was adopted by a surgeon from an old lineage of healers, even though he already had 5 children. His eldest daughter worked at that orphanage as a caretaker and took a liking to the strange boy that fell from the sky, eventually convincing her parents to take him in. The boy was given the name Johannes and became part of the Vrach family, his new parents and siblings raising him as one of their own. Johannes in turn loved his new family as well, and especially admired his father and his work healing the wounded and diseased. He took a big interest towards medicine and biology and displayed great talent in those fields, soon matching and even surpassing his adoptive father's abilities. Always working together they gathered planet-wide renown as the greatest doctors and brilliant researchers, finding cures for many of the diseases and disorders that previously affected the population. Life expectancy rose considerably, the technology and overall living standards soon followed as the people could now advance further into the depths of the jungle without fear of the many deadly spores from plants and contagious plagues carried by insects in the untamed rainforests.

>>34435556
You pretty much hit it right on the head with what i wanted my legion to be. lol

>>34436734
>>34436764
>>34436784
I just have a few ideas.
Their codex has a force org chart which has compulsory HQ, 2 Troops, and 1 Elites, but has 4 Elites and HS slots.

Undertakers: Terminator stat lines, Storm Bolter, Power Weapon, Terminator armour, and grants FNP to his squad. Every Undertaker lets you take one Terminator squad as a troops choice. Very expensive points-wise.

Ossuary-Pattern Dreadnoughts: Heavy Support, Demolisher Cannon and Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon. Can replace the DCCW with a Grav-Cannon for a bunch of points. Cannot fit into Drop Pods.

Golgothon: Ossuary dread with a better statline, FNP, and grants his army Stubborn and Hatred: CSM.

If the Life Bringers primarch isn't here, I'm gonna see if I can make a cool color scheme for them.

>>34436814
Oh, you're here, neat.

I HATE YOU

>>34435451
We're not hedonistic, we're ambitious and devoted to our home culture. That's how I originally planned to differentiate us from the Emperor's kids.

Also, we love chainfists and heavy support like devastators and rapiers.

>>34437071

Almost like a blind hated

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Do these paint schemes look any better for the legion? They're Wolves of Dawn first and Heralds of Hektor second.

>>34436814
Unfortunately, it didn't last. An exploration team looking for metal deposits deep in the wilds found the remains of a strange, ancient ruin. Archeologists followed, unearthing alien artifacts and metal tablets with writings in an unknown language. It is said that one of them must have started it, because at the same time a new, horrific disease appeared: the Red Death. It spread through cities like wildfire, the bodies of the infected slowly mutating uncontrollably until they became a writhing mass of organs that could no longer function as a single body and finally succumbed to death. As the best medical experts of the time, the Vrach family did their best to ease the suffering, but in spite of Johannes best efforts, no cure could be found. Slowly but surely the settlements of Rai emptied, both from infection and infighting as the healthy desperately formed closed enclaves and violently attacked anybody attempting to enter out of fear of bringing the Red Death in. To make matters worse, the doctors treating the infected started to succumb to the disease as well. Immune due to his superhuman physique but forced to watch his beloved family suffer from a plague he couldn't cure, Johannes grew increasingly desperate, spending days and nights in his lab, but to no avail. As he stood over a fresh grave of his youngest sister, the last of the Vrach bloodline, a large construct appeared in the sky. Giant, gold-armored warriors stepped on the planet.

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Istvaan III:
Events are being told for those unfamiliar with the battle. Pic semi-related.

Hektor responded to a distress signal from the already captured world of Istvaan III. He returns, stating that the price of falling from the path of enlightenment must be a public display of humiliation, electing to wipe out the local government by way of deploying 5 legions to the planet. Those elected were the Silver Spears, the Mastodontii, the Council of Iron, the Eternal Zealots, and the Wolves of Dawn.
The fighting seemed unusually harsh, however the plan seemed solid, and was playing out very much as was thought. However, the handpicked ground troops got word that there was another plan in motion.
Hektor had planned to have all loyalist troops on the ground, and condemn the planet to Exterminatus via Lifeeater Virus. They managed to seek cover, forcing Hektor to ground troops once the planet was clear, stretching the battle to over a month.
The purpose of the plan was twofold: to cull the members still loyal to the Emperor, while simultaneously forcing those Legions to commit.
Any objections/additions/alterations?

>>34437242
Do I detect a Poe reference?

>>34437291
Were the Black Augurs not one of those originally elected to take part in the notIstvaan?

I'm fine with not being there so long as I get to fight on Terra.

>>34437291
Hektor renames his legion Heralds of Hektor after he falls to chaos. Akin to Horus renaming Luna Wolves to Sons of Horus.

>>34437367
Was that before or after Istvaan III?

>>34437359
I was figuring you would have wound up on Istvaan V, but Istvaan III you could still not be on. Do you want both? I could switch you out for the Eternal Zealots.

>>34437242
How does Johannes fight in person? I imagine he and Golgothos have personally scuffled a handfull of times.

>>34437427
Oooooooh. Fuck I didn't realize there were two. Yeah that's fine. So long as I get to slaughter bigoted loyalists for their allegiance to racist, power hungry, self righteous emperor.

>>34437427
>Was that before or after Istvaan III?
Before. After being shown the vision of a world where Space Marines aren't needed because the Big E made peace with the Eldar. Got mad and made a pact with chaos for total power. Renamed his legion Heralds of Hektor, which the emphs had offered to let him do after making him Warmaster.

>>34437291
I'm not enormously familiar with the Horus Heresy. Is this Not!Istvaan V or in addition to it?

We can swap my legion to near total close combat. Some siege using the massive Harbinger Towers, skyscraper sized siege towers of doom supported by masses of modded boarding shield solders and armoured transports. No challenge can be denied, no matter the odds. Legion warcry is "Death before Dishonor. "

>>34437495
In the fluff Istvaan III is where Horus and the traitors cull their ranks of those who would be loyal the the emphs. Word gets out and the Big E orders Horus' death and sends 8 legions after him. 5 of them being traitors without anyone knowing.

>>34437474
>>34437495
Yeah, III was to cull out the loyalists from within the traitor legions and have them bloodied (no turning back now), V was a trap for some of the loyalist legions, after declaring himself openly/the Emperor finding out he was starting a revolution.

>>34437493
Alright, thanks, I couldn't remember that bit at the time. But yeah, they made mention of Loken repainting his armor to the old scheme.

>>34437427
I'd like to be for the Battle of Terra personally but it's up to you if you think the Crusaders should go someplace else.

>>34437493
Did... did you say, "peace with the Eldar"? It's ironic that you went to Chaos to prevent it and I went to Chaos because I thought it was never going to happen otherwise.

>>34437522
Yeah, that sounds fucking radical. I'm seeing lots of power swords and chainswords being held above heads as the huge numbers of space marines belt out warcries when the tower hits a wall.

>>34437623
>Yeah, that sounds fucking radical. I'm seeing lots of power swords and chainswords being held above heads as the huge numbers of space marines belt out warcries when the tower hits a wall.

This is making me imagine them with Muslim crusader Iconography, cause It reminds me of Kingdom of Heaven.

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>>34437242
Johannes almost begged the Emperor to save Rai, accepting his offer to take command of a space marine legion immediately. The magos biologis sent to analyze the situation reported that the Red Death is impossible to cure, so the Emperor ordered a complete purge of all infected regions as well as most of the deep jungle. Watching from space as Rai burned, Johannes now knew what his duty was.

Everything that is tainted must be eradicated, only then can new life flourish. Only those who sealed themselves in closed enclaves on Rai survived, and so must he bring new worlds to the Imperium: attempting to integrate or replace indigenous cultures, solve their problems and create economic ties is folly, for just like the Legions Astartes brought the light of the Imperium to the natives, so can their delusions and corruption infect the Imperium. When the worlds are wiped clean new life can be brought upon them, and then it will flourish, free of taint.

As a primarch, Johannes taught these ideas to his legion. He carried an advanced Narthecium of his own design onto the battlefield, focusing on providing aid to the wounded over the destruction of his enemies. Like him, the Life Bringers are healers and researchers first, warriors second, their officers cross-training as apothecaries and carrying medical equipment in addition to their combat duties. They are grim and determined in battle, but genuinely caring for their allies.

>>34437493
Oh, so you're the one I'm going to replace... I mean, look up to.

>>34437623
Battle for Isengard...

...IIIIIN SPAAAAAAAAACE!

>>34437573
Hey, that's cool, this is a collaborative effort. I just threw that out there. Whether or not, or how much, is kept, doesn't matter. I'm just having fun throwing out Cliff's notes.

>>34437678
>Two Apothecary-heavy legions at war with each other
>one has terminators, the other has marks of nurgle

It will be the least lethal war of all time

>>34437468
Johannes liked healing much more than fighting and was probably the weakest of all primarchs in battle. Even after falling to Chaos and ascending to daemonhood he prefers to stay out of the battlefield, concocting horrific plagues in his lab. He tried to stay at range and use neurotoxin darts, but ultimately got recked by Golgothos every time they fought.

>>34437744
"Sir we have killed 2 of their number."
"Good that is double our casualties."

>>34437762
And yet, though Golgothos managed to deal crippling blows to Johannes numerous times with the fists of his mighty dreadnought, Johannas managed to recover each and every time.

>>34437744
Or possibly the most lethal, because they'll be forced to fire nova cannons and vortex grenades at each other.

>>34437571
Ah alright. Not many loyalists in my legion so I don't think I really need to be there. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>34437646
Huh, there aren't actually any space marines with Muslim or even Arab style iconography or influence. Like even successor chapters in real WH40k. Kind of an intriguing idea.
>34437646

>>34437826
>Power scimitars

FUND IT

>>34437522
And during the great, terrible battles of the heresy, the Lord-Knight fought alongside his legion, quoted saying "If I would not die for my legion, how could I ask them to die for me or the Emperor? "

So, is it too late to join in with an OCDONUTSTEEL primarch?

>>34437942
yes, but feel free to make a successor chapter

>>34437951
A successor chapter during the crusades?

>>34438026
No, they'd be founded later.

>>34438026
For afterward. This is a new staple thread. I have declared it. We're recreating the entire history of the empire. Or atleast, that's what I'm saying.

>>34437951
>You can't join, but you can create a group that borderline worships one of our OC primarchs
>It'll be fun, no circlejerky and cringeworthy

Nah, that's fine.

>>34438060
There are plenty of chapters who's origins are unknown. Just make one and do that.

Alright, in the veins of Johannes, I should toss out my background...
Rogerius Merrill
The locals of the planet Profi Tiroedd (almost named Iesu yr hyn y mae'r fuck) discovered his isolated form in the wilderness. Rather than leave him to predators or the environment, they decided to take him in, and name him Rogerius Merrill. They were the weakest and smallest of the tribes in the region, and so had to live by running and scavenging. Once Merrill reached the warrior-age, he decided to change this. They would no longer be the hunted. Many in the tribe opposed this, but he managed to persuade a small number to raid an opposing tribe's food stocks.

>>34438060
Oh, come on, you can help with the lore, etc. It'll be fun.

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>>34437573
The Crusaders were *meant* to be on Terra. They're our little AU's imperial fists.
The Scions fill the role that the Ultras would have, so they are lured off by the Iron Rangers.
Leaving the Crusaders on Terra.

The Istvaan V legions were the Entombed, the Lizard Feet and the War Scribes (mainly cos 2 of those legions creators seemed to have left the thread)

The Zealots are the first openly traitor legion, playing the role the word bearers did, while the Children of Armok were the original traitors, and play the role Erebus does in the books and being the one to corrupt notLorgar.

The Zealots acting unwittingly apart from a few, acting as agents for the Children of Armok, manage to corrupt Hektor to the ways of chaos.
And this shit starts from there.

And our AU's alternative to the Iron Cage is the Crucible - a challenge by the more renegade than outright traitor Bulwark, vs the Steelmarshalls and the Silver Cataphracts.

>>34438137
The raid was successful, and without a single loss of life. As the weeks and months went by, more and more tribesmen were following on Merrill's raids. He had discovered utilizing their smaller population to strike quickly, under cover of darkness, and escape quietly to be more effective than the normal methods of war. The tribe started to become rich as a result, while neighbors were noticing their food and supplies were going missing. It became open season on the former Pariahs.
Merrill, not being one to give in, fought back, utilizing the same tactics, but targeting leadership and figures of importance. Warring tribes, devoid of any real leadership, either were absorbed or ran off. The process was slow, but in a few years, his tribe went from one of the smallest to the largest tribe known. Many declared war, only to find nothing but ghosts in the forest and knives in their backs. Eventually, through hard work and many friends, their small tribe enveloped more land than was thought possible. Dirt roads and infrastructure was necessary. Whole farming communities began to develop. Then, one day, everything changed.

Do you think that the Thunder Kings would make a good rival for the Silver Spears?

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>>34438060
you're right, we might be getting a bit circlejerky, but there is 18 legions in the canon, we have 30 already, i wrongly assumed capping it to stop being drowned in new chapters, most of which seem to favour Siege or Alpha Legion/Nightlords vibes anyway.
We've diverged from that now, but a new chapter thread should get started up - join that cos then everyone is on a level playing field, like the tabletop game..

This is AU so they don't have to give a fuck about the parent legion, and many do have unknown beginnings...

Share your legion anyway - theres some peopel who have left, and if its different from whats already up there i'm sure we can cut someone who has left us and put yours in

>>34438137
>>34438319
When the Emperor of Mankind's ship descended, the tribe attacked it. Despite their best efforts, it, and its crew, however, were unharmed by the spears and arrows of the tribe. When the Emperor stepped forwards, Merrill knew he had just met the true ruler. He reluctantly agreed to leave, leaving a tribal council of only his most trusted behind. Once on board, it was necessary for him to learn all that would be required of him. He set to immediately reshaping the legion to suit his particular methods. Most of his time was spent learning to, and eventually, reading. He threw himself at the knowledge with abandon, especially the technology. There was enough on this ship to possibly end almost all the suffering and hunger on the planet. He devoured dataslate after dataslate of Technology and STC's, pestering the representatives of the Mechanicus to teach him more.

Aaand, I can't think of much else right now. Need sleep besides. If a new thread starts before I get back, someone please put a link to that thread...

>>34438060
We have a lot of legions already, but most tend to follow similar themes. If you have something interesting, I'd say go for it.

So...
TRAITORS
Silver Spears: Slaanesh, melee focused
Bulwark: Undivided, defense focused
Black Augurs: Undivided, ambush focused
Life Bringers: Nurgle, chemical warfare focused
Mastodontii: Undivided, rapid vehicle focused
Council of Iron: Tzeentch, psyker focused
Argent Legion: Malal, surgical strike focused
Iron Rangers: Undivided, assasination focused
Wolves of Dawn: Undivided, standard combat focused
Sons of Fire: Khorne, flamer focused
Children of Armok: Undivided, manipulation focused.

Most legions are undivided, though all five gods have 1 legion each (I attributed Argent to Malal because it seemed right, given that they hate two chaos legions.) Overall the forces of chaos in our AU are much sneakier than canon, and prefer to work behind the scenes.

LOYALISTS
Knights of Justice: Close combat fast attack, no Not!Culture
Steel Marshalls: Close Combat siege specialists, possibly Not!Arabic
Mechanist Warriors: Fast and reckless, no Not!Culture
Silver Cataphracts: Siege specialists, Not!Russians
Omegon Annihilators: Close Combat specialists, hyper-religious
The Crusaders: Generalists, no Not!Culture
Void Kings: Close Combat specialists, brutish Not!Vikings
War Scribes: Generalists, Not!Boring
Falcus Cobalt: Snipers, no Not!Culture
Thunder Kings: Generalists, Repentant
Eyes of the Emperor: Ranged specialists, craftsmen
Scions of Europa: Codex marines, no Not!Culture
Lizard Feet: Dinosaur mounted. Lizard themed
The Entombed: Defensive specialists, death/tomb theme.

Quite a few close combat specialists, but plenty of ranged/siege too. Overall the Loyalist Marines are very good at besieging fortified positions, which clashes with the sneaky specialization of the AU Traitor legions. Something doesn't add up. Also very few of them are cultural ripoffs. Nobody really similar to the Blood Angels, but there are close analogues to Imperial Fists, Dark Angels, Ultramarines, Iron Hands, Black Templars, Salamanders sort of, and Raven Guard.

>>34438542
the stone men can be a chapter lost during the heresy

>>34438581
everyone keeps forgetting the stone men, no wonder they got lost

>>34438542
We aren't melee focused. We aren't really focused on anything except front line warfare.

>>34438599
NEVER DEFEATED
they just forgot about us

>>34438542

Malal? Glorious. I forgot about him.

>>34438581
shit if the stone men want to go chaos they should come even the numbers and give the loyalists a proper fight.
My legion only fights either side when we can do so and stop all word getting out (by killing *everyone*). So the Traitors could use some real help. I already asked >>34438060 to submit his too.
there is 27 legions total so far, don't know how we lost 3...

>>34438542
I'd say the Argent should be undividied, but get quiet support from Malal cos otherwise the other legions would just gang up on the Argent for their gods benefit...

Children of Armok are technically Tzeentch, but aren't entirely trusting in him, but he would be their patron. Or Malal for when they work against the chaos legions to further their own agendas, but only then.

>>34438542
The Crusaders are armored specialists, lots of tanks and APC's

>>34438542
It seems to make sense. If you are good at besieging and breaking through heavy fortifications, you're great at building defenses as well, which means the AU traitors would get crushed hard if they simply threw marines and artillery fire at fortress walls. The best hard counter to heavy defense is infiltration, sneak by their defense lines and wreak havoc on the supply depots. Makes sense that it would be the thing the traitors are good at, Chaos should be a serious threat to the Imperium.

>>34438743
The Imperium should also be a serious threat to Chaos, though. The Loyalists are specialized in methods of fighting they won't regularly get to employ.

>>34438826
But there are also less traitor legions, which kinda makes sense. After crusading for years and years together how many people would actually just up and quit?

>>34438137
I'll throw down my background too.

The primarch that would soon be named Visios crash landed on the incredibly dense hive world of Targon IV. It was originally a mining colony on the moon of an enormous gas giant but the city now covered the entire moons surface and very little of the actual planetoid was left at all. Visios crashed directly into one of the highest spires on the planet and crushed what would have been his surrogate mother and newborn sister in their hospital bed. The father heard the tragedy and rushed to the room, only to find an entirely different newborn in the place of his own. The man, one of the high magistrates on the planet, took the child in as a sign from some higher power. The father named him Visios and the child grew incredibly quickly. The young primarch quickly began giving his father strategic aid in the highly political courts of the magistrates. The father at first questioned the boys seemingly supernatural ability to predict opponents reactions and how he could have known certain discoveries about other members of the council would be made but soon decided that it was best not to question it. Especially when the child would stare off into the black void of space and return to him with disturbingly accurate descriptions of how the next months council meetings would play out. Once the Primarch reached the age of 6 he was to be shown the secret of the magistrates as was customary and so was led down many dark and winding corridors and elevators to the very core of the hive city. There it was revealed that the way the magisters kept their power and maintained their city.

>>34438899
It's funny because that's the reason why Hektor is fighting against the Imperium. He believes that if the Emperor is left in charge the Space Marines will become little more than police-men and guards while he wants an eternal crusade, warring without end.

>>34438943
A webway portal. They had used it originally to trade raw materials and minerals with Eldar and Exodites for food and materials they couldn’t produce themselves but once the planet had run dry now sold their own citizens as slaves to the Dark Eldar to maintain the status quo. Rather than try to stop his surrogate father Visios eagerly took part in the trade. His precognition allowed him to avoid raw deals with the legendarily treacherous Dark Eldar and the more time he spent with the Eldar that came through the portal the more he knew they were superior to the Mon-keigh he was forced to surrounded himself with. He felt his superhuman physique and intelligence were much closer to them then his “real” family. 4 months before his real father arrived Visios had a vision of his visit as well as the coming crusade. He knew his father would not accept his association with Xenos and when the day finally came quickly, and quietly, left his home world and never spoke of it again to his brothers or to his father.

>>34438711

Malhas of argent legion can fight for malal, but no one knows anywy because he can't speak. >>34433535

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>posted a legion yesterday
>everyone ignored it
>tfw

>>34439001

Malphas* anyway*

>>34439015
Wait, which legion were you? I remember your name but I think it came up later on didn't it?

>>34438826
Quite the opposite, loyalists are fighting on the defense, so defensive specialists are needed. And you need siege specialists every time the traitors establish a stronghold to flush them out of there, which will be often since we have several traitor legions that own realspace empires and one that is obsessed with going around terraforming planets into a mix between Catachan and Garden of Nurgle populated with mutated cultists.

There another legion posting thread up so new people can post their legions?

>>34439112
just post here - theres room for a few more i would say.

>>34438743
Building defenses and breaking through them are slightly different skillsets. They are similar, to be certain, but it takes vision that some siege engineers lack to build something that's going to be a royal pain for someone else to knock back down again.

That said, storming a fortress takes a special kind of crazy, and that's before the Mechanicus are brought into play. Titans make my job more troublesome.

>>34439112
>>34439152
More traitor legions preferably.

>>34438826
Yeah, couldn't sleep. Still can't think of much. But Seige warfare is also the best way to stomp out sneaky bastards. Get them cornered so they can't move and pound them with artillery until they're dead. Does kind of make a weird Yin and Yang going on, doesn't it?

And just to throw it out there, I was originally going loyalist, but the thread needed Chaos supporters. Figured what the hell, why not?

>>34439184
Can you post the format for making a legion, please?

>>34439315
>describe your talents as a primarch


>what is the name of your legion?


>what are its main tactics/characteristics?

>as a primarch, where do you land on the whole Council of Nikaea issue?
>at the time of the heresy, who do you side with?

>Describe any special friendships/rivalries your legion has with any of the others

>Describe some of your legion's most memorable victories/defeats


>Leman Russ has been told that you and your legion are going to Chaos. Now his fleet is in your home planet's orbit. What do?

>what's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed or traditions?

>what is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?

>after the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?

>what blandishments did Horus offer you to try to convince you to join?

>>34439315
>describe your talents as a primarch
>what is the name of your legion?
>what are its main tactics/characteristics?
>as a primarch, where do you land on the whole Council of Nikaea issue?
>at the time of the heresy, who do you side with?
>Describe any special friendships/rivalries your legion has with any of the others
>Describe some of your legion's most memorable victories/defeats
>Leman Russ has been told that you and your legion are going to Chaos. Now his fleet is in your home planet's orbit. What do?
>what's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed or traditions?
>what is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?
>after the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?
>what blandishments did Horus offer you to try to convince you to join?

>>34439173
If you know how to tear down defenses and what kind of thing you especially don't want to face in an enemy fortress, you can use that knowledge to design your own fortress full of exactly the stuff that you know is a royal pain in the ass for the assailant. You're right, these are different skillsets, but you need to put yourself in the attacker's position to build a good defense, and nobody can do that better than actual siege experts.

>>34439397
For those just scrolling to the bottom, the major Legions in the Heresy are here:
>>34438542

I've cut it down cos a lot of it wasn't necessary for this AU HH stuff, so heres the bits we wanna see and a bonus question or two we didnt answer ourselves the first time.


>>Primarch Name.
>>Describe your primarch's defining talent.
>>What is the name of your legion?
>>What are the legions main tactics/characteristics?
>>As a primarch, what is your opinion about the use of psychic power, particularly within your Legion?

>>who do you side with, Chaos or Emperor?

>>Describe any special friendships/rivalries your legion has with any of the Primarchs/Legions in this thread

>>What's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed (if any) or traditions?

>>What is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?

>>After the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?

>>What is your legions motivation? What do they ultimately want?

>> Where was your legion during the siege on Terra/?

>>34439478
Updoots cool with my legion?

>>34439478
In that case...
>Primarch Name.
Rogerius Merrill

>Describe your primarch's defining talent.
Unconventional Warfare/Small Unit Tactics/Technological Obsession

>>What is the name of your legion?
Iron Rangers

>>What are the legions main tactics/characteristics?
>As a primarch, what is your opinion about the use of psychic power, particularly within your Legion?
If it works to my advantage, I will use it.

>>who do you side with, Chaos or Emperor?
Chaos

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So, since AU Heresy has entirely different primarchs and legions, who takes the role of Russ?

>>34438542

For flavour, I imagine a KoJ war council happening something like this. Substitute "God wills it!" for "The Emperor wills it!" or another suitable phrase.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez6wfJWVCeI

For those of you who don't know this film, they're talking about declaring a war on an enemy who outnumbers them and taking the offensive whilst their own strategic position is rather weak and would much better suit a defensive battle.

>>34439630
>who takes the role of Russ
In what sense?

>>34439478
>>34439565

>Describe any special friendships/rivalries your legion has with any of the Primarchs/Legions in this thread
>>34436371
>>34433972

>>>What's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed (if any) or traditions?
Obsession with technology

>What is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?
Close Combat/Assault weapons. Best way to be sure a man is dead is to be right there in front of him.

>After the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?
No gifts from the Dark Gods, Just a close connection to the Dark Mechanicus. We cull our mutated. If it can't be controlled properly, we can't use it.

>>34439654
The "Executioner" the one they send after at least one of the renegade legions like Russ did on Prospero. In the last thread the legions were actually just extras on top of the originals but now it's an AU so I dunno what happens now.

>>34439478
>>34439565
>>34439709

>What is your legions motivation? What do they ultimately want?
They want to perfect technology. They want everything from the DAoT and more. Perfection through tech.

> Where was your legion during the siege on Terra/?
Leading the Crusaders on a giant Goose Egg hunt.

>>34439709
>What is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?
>Close Combat/Assault weapons. Best way to be sure a man is dead is to be right there in front of him.
Also, everything is modified/upgraded to the point of insanity

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>>34439471
Sadly my way of designing a fortress would be a pretty drawn out process mainly consisting of trial and error on example fortresses until I get it how I like it then walk through how to siege and break through it so I can keep going back and forth until someone gets tired of funding the mess and just takes whatever design I was working on and calling it a day.

Then I'd lose interest and hit up the mechanicus for more terminator armor.

>>34439733
Here are the analogues as I see them.

Traitors:
Emperor's Children - Eternal Zealots and/or Argent Legion
Night Lords - Black Augurs
Death Guard - Life Bringers
Thousand Sons - Council of Iron
Luna Wolves - Wolves of Dawn
Word Bearers - Children of Armok
Alpha Legion - Iron Rangers
Iron Warriors - Bulwark
World Eaters - Sons of Fire

Loyalists:
Dark Angels - Thunder Kings
White Scars - ???
Space Wolves - Void Kings
Imperial Fists - The Crusaders
Blood Angels - ???
Iron Hands - The Entombed
Ultramarines - Steel Marshals
Salamanders - Stone Men
Raven Guard - Knights of Justice

I think the Steel Marshals make a good core, "normal" legion, with many successors, but what do I know. Also, we have lots of lists of the Legions, but no list of the primarchs. Can someone put one of those together?

Guys, should we put together a Google doc to record all of this? Getting a little hard to follow everything

So are we going to detail the Heresy with our own AU Legions?

>>34440127
Yes

>>34438270
Hey, I'm back.

Actually, the Scions were at the Siege of Terra, fighting the Iron Warriors and Emperor's Children.

>>34440131
We're still getting all the legions sorted but hopefully someone could make a google doc for all of them so we can maintain it over several threads. The next will probably be finalizing fluff of all the legions then getting into the Herasy.

The Googledoc should have like, list of legions their tactics and key players within the legion including Primarch, a timeline (what we have so far) and a brief description of what we're doing.

>>34440464
I'd make the doc but I'm busy right now and keeping up with the thread on my phone. Someone really needs to hurry and do this before the thread reachs the bump limit.

>>34440491
>>34440464
>>34440378
Could we make a 1d4chan page instead?

>>34440098
I tried to avoid outright analogues just used the canon legions as flexible frameworks where our new legions could slot into a role, just so we had an existing power dynamic to tink with.


Like the canon Traitors aren't anywhere near as sneaky as us.
The roles we play in the Heresy were just subbed in until we came up with something better.

Like both the Children of Armok and the Iron Rangers fit the Alpha Legion mould, but where the Children differ is in theyre more espionage focused - cos we're not outright traitors remember.
Although our penchant for plotting and scheming is the reason the Horus Heresy started, we used the Zealots as the word bearers were in canon.
As far as most people know, the Zealots *were* the first chapter to turn traitor.

What i'm saying is that the roles only fit loosely because we aren't just different flavoured cut outs of canon legions i guess.. plus you know we have 27-8 legions, way more than the canon had so not everyone *can* be an analogue

you missed out a fair number of legions, but it is as >>34440127 put it hard to follow at this point...

PRIMARCHS

TRAITORS
Silver Spears: Maranthos Egille, Charismatic leader, likes flashy weapons
Bulwark: NONAME, Cautious and cynical but otherwise average
Black Augurs: Visios the Voidwatcher, Fast reflexes, quick to make decisions. Far-signted, divination psyker.
Life Bringers: Johannes, extremely skilled apothecary, prefers to purge problems and build anew
Mastodontii: NONAME, Optimistic, weak psyker
Council of Iron: NONAME, Short temper, physically strong, absolutely no fear.
Argent Legion: Malphas, Irreverant.
Iron Rangers: Rogerius Merrill, Obsessively seeks knowledge regarding tech
Wolves of Dawn: Hektor, Horus analogue, Friendly, great leader.
Sons of Fire: The Burned King , Ruthless, willing to make utilitarian sacrifices. Loves fire.
Children of Armok: Armok, Charismatic, political genius.

LOYALISTS
Knights of Justice: NONAME, Charismatic, stubborn, zealous
Steel Marshalls: Roman Albrecht, Builder, Ruler, puts things together.
Mechanist Warriors: NONAME, expert marksman
Silver Cataphracts: NONAME, Occasional shining moments of glory, loves dakka
Omegon Annihilators: NONAME, Master of words, can convince you of anything.
The Crusaders: Thomas Gaudin, Loyal to friends, ruthless to enemies
Void Privateers: NONAME, Excellent sailor
War Scribes: NONAME, Great at analyzing masses of data
Thunder Kings: Brennus, Extremely patient and meticulous
Eyes of the Emperor: NONAME, Paranoid, anxious, cowardly
Scions of Europa: Commander Kleisthenes, Creative and disciplined
Lizard Feet: NONAME, Beastmaster, great at training dinosaurs
The Entombed: Golgothos, Extremely stubborn and has a personal Vendetta against Johannes, now a Dreadnought

>>34440533
Sounds like a better idea, no fuss with editing permissions.

>>34440576
Actually, I'm not sure why I ever put Commander, as I am the Primarch

>>34440576
haha Armok isnt the primarch. Just a deity from the homeworld. I never named a primarch.
I'll come up with something and post it - unless we get a google docs/1d4chan page

>>34440661
Armok's a pretty dope primarch name though.

Alright you beautiful disasters - here's a canvas, get painting

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TAl_Rh3q0UR3cqX6Pbn-4TnB87BS-GrFrax-ErtOL2E/edit?usp=sharing

>>34440613
Made an account, will being editing now.
Also, i will archive this on sup/tg/

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Anybody else got character art for their primarch?

>>34440661
Post here for now, we'll sort it out.

>>34440708
>>34440715
I'd definitely prefer 1d4chan

>>34440724
Nah we need a draw fag in here to you know, draw.

>>34440759

Then make a 1d4chan page and post it here. We'll all flock to one or another

>>34440576
So wait we hit the cap for Primarchs? We are just creating successor chapters now?

>>34440759
Same here.

So I heard you guys need another traitor legion?

>>Primarch Name.
Sidonus
>>Describe your primarch's defining talent.
Marksmanship, Jetbike riding
>>What is the name of your legion?
The Licorne Guard
>>What are the legions main tactics/characteristics?
Shock attack with assault infantry, light vehicles, and especially flyers. Reinforcing other Chaos or anti-Imperium forces
>>As a primarch, what is your opinion about the use of psychic power, particularly within your Legion?
It is detestable, but not intolerable, especially when working with others
>>who do you side with, Chaos or Emperor?
Chaos (Khorne)
>>Describe any special friendships/rivalries your legion has with any of the Primarchs/Legions in this thread
Can’t think of many. Probably hate those Stone Men for being so slow and nice.
>>What's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed (if any) or traditions?
Because of our roving nature, there is no central repository for our geneseed. That means it is very easy for us to lose track of it, which leads to a slow dwindling of our numbers.
>>What is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?
The jetbike, the power lance, and the mounts and chariots of Khorne
>>After the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?
Khorne grants us many of his mounts and engines of war so that we may better throw blood to the wind in his name
>>What is your legions motivation? What do they ultimately want?
For every human in the galaxy to be either a Khorne worshiper, or dead. The death of Lady Aurelia Malys
>> Where was your legion during the siege on Terra?
Fighting across the galaxy, but with a sizeable chunk (including myself) fighting in Commorragh

>>34440759
>>34440825
We can use the google docs we have as a draft for 1d4chan page. Right?

>>34440708
>>34440759
We can work on the docs for now and I'll put it on 1d4can once we have thing organized

>>34440820
We've got 30 Primarchs. There isn't really a "cap," but it's starting to get weird

>>34440820
Sort of. We have lots of legions already, but the traitor side is currently outnumbered and there are a few roles both sides are missing, such as loyalist entrenchment and garrison specialists. If you have an idea and think it could make an interesting addition, post it.

>>34440839

>Chaos fast attack troops

Oh you and me are having a smack down m8

>>34440859
Soon we're going to have legions of just primarchs, led by super primarchs.

Did the last thread get archived? I've still got it open.

>>34440938
Don't know, but I archived this one

>>34440938
Maybe but also maybe not. Archive it if you can.

>>34440938
http://archive.moe/tg/thread/34414189/

>>34440974
Neat

>>34440839
>jetbikes are no longer used because their tech was lost during the Heresy
>Licorne Guard still has jetbikes and uses them, must still know how to build and maintain them
The Iron Rangers will probably be interested in that.

>>34441063
>mfw my legion has jetbikes
>mfw I have no face for this

Is Golgothos being a Blank/Null/Untouchable too much?

>>34441158

He's already a Dreadnought man

>>34441158
I want to say yes, but this is primarchs we are talking about. I'll let you decide.

>>34441189
Just trying to think of a reason why their legion wouldn't have any Psykers, as he no longer has the excuse of hating Not!Magnus.

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>>34441096
>allies have jetbikes
>enemies have jetbikes
>lost all my jetbikes and disbanded the sky hunter squadrons during the Heresy, never had many to begin with because of warfare style
2fast4me

>>34441158
I know whenever I hear the topic of Blank Marines coming up, sperglords tend to shit all over the idea. I know of no reason why it couldn't happen, since Pariahs aren't a thing anymore and the Necrons didn't create the Blank gene.

>>34441232
Just out of personal desire/legion ethos.
Being a null wouldnt prevent psykers in your legion - just stop you being one/affected by one.

just fluff it as your hatred for notMagnus made you anti-psyker period, no arguments brooked on the subject

>>34441323
It's rather unlikely a whole legion would have this gene due to how rare it is, but a primarch is specifically engineered for a role by Emps. So it makes sense for one made with psyker-hunting in mind would be at least resistant to Warp powers, and that might carry over to his marines through their geneseed.

>>34441335
>just fluff it as your hatred for notMagnus made you anti-psyker period, no arguments brooked on the subject

but I hate notTyphus now. Personal preference is a fine enough reason though, It's not like the Black Templars have a better reason.

>>34441389
Why not Hate both?

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Do we have Primarch Homeworlds yet? Here's my 30k map to work out where everything is and work off from there.

>>34441445
Not all of them have homeworlds.

google doc link is here >>34440708

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>describe your talents as a primarch
extremely aggressive, brutish, and bloodthirsty warrior and believes that the only true justice in the world is not found in any court, but when one fights for one's life on the battlefield, where the strong survive and the weak are crushed. More of a man of action than talk

>what is the name of your legion?
The Immortal Phoenix

>what are its main tactics/characteristics?
Overwhelming firepower full bore assault. the best defense is a good offense.

>as a primarch, where do you land on the whole Council of Nikaea issue?
Fuck psykers . fight like men.

>at the time of the heresy, who do you side with?
Fuck the emperor. fuck gods.all we care for is war.

>Describe any special friendships/rivalries your legion has with any of the others
None yet. (will make them as i see fit)

>Describe some of your legion's most memorable victories/defeats
Led by their primarch and a small shipful of men. they forcefully crashed into the center of the ork homeworld for no apparent reason other to kill.

>Leman Russ has been told that you and your legion are going to Chaos. Now his fleet is in your home planet's orbit. What do?
Fucking puppies. Fucking chaos. We'll kill them all.

>what's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed or traditions?
Combining of the Sons Of Antaeus and Blood raven gene seed creating exceptionally durable,hardy,strong space marines with an enhanced skeletal structure with the slightly unfortunate flaw of creating blood crazed warriors who get blood hazed in the field of battle.-

>>34441440
It doesn't really fit. My whole thing is that the Life Bringers fucked The Entombed on Istvaan V, and now The Entombed do nothing but sit and brood, waiting for a whiff of Life Bringer activity, and when they get it, they burn like hell to kill as many Life Bringers as they can. Golgothos is fueled only by his personal vendetta against Johannes.

>>34441508
>what is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?
Favoring power weapons such as the power axe,sword,maul,and swords and the thunder hammer for close combat, and for ranged the assault cannons and auto cannons are commonly seen as well as heavy bolters much of the legion wears terminator armor into battle with the ranking officers wearing centurion.

>after the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now? Fuck the codex. fuck gods. the only thing we need is war.

>what blandishments did Horus offer you to try to convince you to join?
he offered us a cure to the blood rage in our gene seed. and was abruptly declined without hesitation

>>34441508
thats so emo

>>34441445
Golgothos homeworld is a barren wasteland called Sepulchra.

How the fuck do I make a 1d4chan article

>>34441508
Annnnd we have our post-heresy Angry Marines!

>>34441445
I'll go with Olmec or whatever that's called.

>>34441596
I've made one already, don't worry. Waiting to transfer stuff from the google document to the wiki in a bit.

>>34441508
So your gene seed defect is just the Black Rage/whatever the World Eaters suffer from?

>>34441600
I do like their style..lol

>>34441508
Sounds like World Eaters, minus the Butcher's Nails and with some actual ranged weapons.

>>34441621
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Hektor_Heresy

Dunno about the title, though

>>34441631
Yeah but not from seeing their primarch die or whatever the Black rage is from. just rambo mode from when he gets beat up by the police and goes on a killing rampage yknow?

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>>34441445
Constantium for me, I'd say...though I'm afraid that puts me a bit out there, so help will be slow in its arrival unless I decide warpsbane hulls are worth the investment.

I think I have found my chapter colors, or at least a close approximation to it.

>>34441644
just do The /tg/ Heresy, that's what it is.

Someone should write some sort of introductory blurb, and a coherent timeline.

>>34441691
Fuckin fancy dancy shit. how'd you do that?

>>34441691
Your could be the legion with it's own empire for the shadow crusade to happen at.

>>34441695
I agree with this.

>>34441695
I too agree with this name. The formatting is all fucked up though. Can we get a clean up crew in there?

>>34441754
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_Heresy

Oh god someone fix the formatting

>>34441695

/tg/ Heresy, that's what this is

Also, kinda stumped about what role I can play now, given that I'm no longer dying en mass on Istvaan V. Any suggestions?

>>34441788
Who's your primarch? If he's a bad enough dude he could be the stand in for Sanguinus

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>>34441722
Old picture from a few years back

>>34441737
My own little version of Ultrimar? That does sound about like something I'd do if left to my own devices for too long.

>>34441788
I thought you were at Istvaan V?

>>34441829

Bohemond - Charismatic, stubborn, zealous

Guess he could rally the defenders of the Imperial palace and then lead a rather doomed assault on Hektor. He does have some charisma

>>34441851

Latest version has me written out and some of the other Legions whose creators are no longer present in the threads are there instead

>>34441784
Primarch of the War Scribes here, holy shit I didn't expect you guys to carry this thing so far. I'm impressed.

I'm also a little sad you guys thought my Legion was the Boring Marines. I intended them to be the relic hunters, explorers, and grand strategists, focused more on rebuilding, gathering resources, and digging through the reams of data the Administratum doesn't take an interest in.

Needless to say, the Emperor would not have been impressed by a Legion that was better at noncombat roles than anything else, but I thought it might have been an interesting twist to lean away from the WE ARE SUPREME WARRIORS thing that most fanfics go for, to counter any accusations of Mary-Sueism.

>>34441851
>Latest version has me written out and some of the other Legions whose creators are no longer present in the threads are there instead

That's dumb.

>>34441884
We only called you boringmarines because we had no input. Welcome back, battle-brother.

Fucking hell. I left to do some work and I come back to see this also a small update I wrote got buried so hard you'd need a war scribe to find it.

Primarch Name: Fjordous Machenis
Homeworld: Dunmuragh (Still deciding on a type, any suggestions or if we use existing canon?)
Modus Operandi: What makes them work effectively as a legion is how they are loose and adaptable. They can and will use unconventional tactics to get an edge over the enemy and are great believers in smart fighting is better than being good at it.
The Primarch: Quite soft spoken and easy to forget about he is more at home leading his legions vehicular strikes than he is in combat.
Uniquely among his legion he is of light hair and skin as he grew up part mostly indoors working with technology.
He has some skill as a smith but where he truly shines is how much extra he can extract from a machine in his usage.
He wields a bolt pistol and powerfist if he is fighting as infantry and will work as part of an honour guard assault marine squad.
Going to go through and heavily update the original writing piece since it's vastly outdated now.

>>34441875
You could be the Sanguinius of our heresy instead then if you'd like. Stand by the emphs fighting me in the final hours.

>>34441943
>buried so hard you'd need a war scribe to find it
hehehe

>>34441901

I'd just get rid of those Legions. If the creator's aren't on board, why keep them around?

Also the Lizard Feet is a stupid name IMHO.

Did some minor formatting.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_Heresy

Please help

>>34442018
OK, so Istvaan V is The Entombed, the War Scribes, and 1 more.

Lizard Fleet is kill.

>>34441943
And it don't matter since I was written out. Fuck.

>>34442130
We can write you back in. Lizard feet are dead in the water you can come in and snap up their position.

>>34442130
>>34442154
Congradulations, the Mechanist Warriors are on Istvaan V!

Enjoy your heavy casualties!