>>34393550
>Keep disguise on, debate him

>>34393550
>dragons
The funny thing is, thats actually true.

>>34393550
>Complain he forgot the elfs and paladins
>Keep disguise on, debate him

>>34393550
>Keep disguise on, debate him

>>34393550
>Keep disguise on, debate him

>>34393602

>Keep disguise, debate

Don't confront him. Rather play the role of an ignorant cultist poking at holes in his rhetorics

>>34393650
Lol this

>>34393658
>Rather play the role of an ignorant cultist poking at holes in his rhetorics
I assumed this to be part of the disguise, but to be sure.
>>34393550

>>34393624

It's not. We hardly get enough beauty sleep these days without having to deal with some world-encompassing crisis or creating one.

>>34393675
>Vote-nesting
Vote properly or experience eternal death.

>>34393550
This: >>34393650 adding for >>34393602

>>Complain he forgot the elfs and paladins
>>Keep disguise on, debate him
Step it up cultist senpai.

>>34393708

Inquisitor pls. This is not a deadly sin, it's just an Annoying Conduct, and well within regulations.

>>34393708
Good luck enforcing that.

>>34393687
Well, we do sleep with Ebonsong.
Ironically, Shahulzar is the only of our companions ever who doesn't want to fuck Seyiri.
Until we get a proper dragon form

>>34393650
It would be so tempting to encourage him to agree with ever more ridiculous claims. Until at the end Sireyi is supposed to have slept with half the people in the country, as well as several powerful demons while on vacation in another realm (if our visit there is public knowledge).

>Keep disguise on, debate him

>>34393764
>if our visit there is public knowledge
It must be, a significant part of our population is from there.

>>34393727
It's not, and it makes it harder for OP to count the votes.
Aside from that, his 'post' was literally just eight characters, and that's counting spaces.

>>34393730
I don't have to, nested votes wind up being missed half the damn time anyway.

>>34393747

My point is we don't spend ALL time in bedchamber, so his statement was not actually true anyway in any but most liberal interpretation.

>>34393784

In the end it turns out that the only people we didn't sleep with are here to summon a rape demon for her.

>>34393799
I was specifically adressing the part of sleeping with a dragon. That was the entire joke.
>>34393827
I would laugh so hard if they summon Ellahi.

>>34393827
Sounds fun.

>>34393827
That doesn't make a lot of sense, why would they add someone else top the list that isn't them ?
Maybe they summon a shapeshifter to take her form, so they can get a chance.

Roll Fellowship 1d20+19 to debate the athies- I mean, cult leader.

Rolled 2 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>34393642
To address this because I was distracted:
They wouldn't be holes, they'd be like powdered celestial iron in some kind of magical ink or something.

I have a very particular mental image of what they'd look like, and I can't really translate it right now.

>>34393937

Rolled 8 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>34393937

Rolled 5 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>34393937

Rolled 8 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>34393937

Oh wow, that was terrible. Lets hope this isn't a tough crowd.

>>34393955
Sounds swell. I think I'm thinking too much in mundane terms. Magic doesn't care about ink being washed off or wear slowly eating away surface features.

27 isn't bad.

You decide to have a little fun with this idiot, before capturing him.

“You forgot the elves and the paladins” you yell from the crowd “I mean, there’s those two girls that follow her around all the time, with their kids – and they say they’re her kids too, how’s that supposed to work?”

“Well yes” he says “As I was saying, an uncaring overlord who spends too much of her time engaging in mindless pleasure and not protecting the people of her realm.”

“No really you say, how’s that supposed to work?” affecting a confused tone you continue “I mean, two girls can’t have a kid, you need a man for that, even if he’s only needed for 30 seconds.”

A few women in the audience giggle.

“I’m not really an expert on that” he says “I’m more concerned with what she’s not doing than-”

“No she’s got a point” says another voice from the other side of the crowd “How does that work?”

Shahulzer is no longer by your side, and that voice sounded familiar.

A few minutes later, the crowd is debating where your children came from.

The cult leader is trying to regain control

“Look, I’m sure her kids are a fascinating topic for discussion” he says “But as a ruler she-”

“How come her kids don’t ‘ave wings?” asks one woman “Shouldn’t they have like, one wing each?”

“No that’s not how it works” explains one of the men “They’ll have wings, but they won’t grow in until they’re adults”

“Shows how much you know” says one shopkeeper “They’re both going to grow small wings, too small to fly with, half the size of hers, stands to reason it does.”

“Exactly how is that reason?” asks one man with the ink-stained cuffs of a scribe “Surely they’d either have wings or they don’t, I mean, you don’t see a cows with half-sized horns, because their father was a bull and their mother a cow.”

“Well angels isn’t cows” responds the man with, well, undeniable logic.

>>34393960
>>34393978
>>34393981

Dawkins is strong with this one.

>>34394079
The cultists and the leader are looking kinda frustrated

>Leave the brain-trust of the common folk at odds with itself
>Steer the conversation (where?)
>Reveal yourself
>Other

>>34394096
>Leave the brain-trust of the common folk at odds with itself
Maybe give it a few more nudges to keep the guy off-kilter.

>>34394096
>Leave the brain-trust of the common folk at odds with itself
This is too beautiful to disrupt.

>>34394096
>Leave the brain-trust of the common folk at odds with itself

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>>34394096
>Leave the brain-trust of the common folk at odds with itself

>>34394096

>Well she certainly has udders like one.

>Steer the conversation towards what they want to do with her

>>34394172
Lol nice picture

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>>34394096
>>Leave the brain-trust of the common folk at odds with itself

>>34394096
>Steer the conversation (where?)
>Well certainly the Baronet would know, she is so approachable, and always among the people and with the liddle one. Walked all the way here just like the rest to make her people safe.

>>34394096
>Steer the conversation "Obviously she has a penis"

>>34394211
>>Well certainly the Baronet would know, she is so approachable, and always among the people and with the liddle one. Walked all the way here just like the rest to make her people safe.
Good thing to turn the conversation to.

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Daily reminder that peasants are actually pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXSRxYXUICU

You decide to wait and see what happens.

“Well, where did them kids come from?” asks one man “cuz my cousin, ‘e works at the stronghold, cleaning, an’ ‘e said they was normal-looking kids.”

“Well she’s a follower of Velya in’t she?” says another man “I’m sure she ‘as ‘er ways.” He emphasises his statement with a suggestive thrust of the hips.

“I think you’ve got it half-right” says another man “She’ll have some sort of power of fertility won’t she, can make a woman pregnant just by touching her right?”

“Well how come all the women with her ain’t got little angels?” asks another woman “She got that noble girl and that funny foreign-looking one – they ain’t got kids. And no man’s touched me right in a long time.”

“Well maybe they just ain’t showin’ yet” says another woman “kids don’t happen overnight.”

“Though they can keep you up at night” says an older man

“True, true” concedes the woman, then gets a mischievous smirk on her face “Up all night, which is more than I can say for me ‘usband!”

A gaggle of women around her start cackling.

“Right!” yells the cult leader “That’s it! We came here to summon a demon, and that’s just what I’m going to do!”

His assistants bring forth a young woman, only a year younger than yourself, all tied up, she‘s gagged and struggling.

“It’s midnight” he declares. It’s not: you think it’ll be a good 30 minutes yet.

“We have a congregation of worshippers” he continues. What he actually has is the town debate club, lowest-division available.

“I have a virgin to sacrifice” he says. Hmm, probably not, a young woman in a populated town, she likely lost that qualification a year or two ago.

“Let’s summon a demon!” he yells, pulling forth a curved dagger. Ok, now it’s stopped being funny.

>Reveal yourself
>Teleport to alter, pretend to be a demon
>Call in the troops
>Go rescue the girl
>Other

>>34394462
Girl first priority, then call in the troops to protect the debate club.

>>34394462
>Go rescue the girl

>>34394462
>Go rescue the girl

Or

>Have Demon-dragon transform into Demon-dragon

>>34394462
>Go rescue the girl
>Yeesh, what does the girl have to do with supposedly lousy leadership ?

>>34394462
>Reveal yourself
>Go rescue the girl
Teleporting onto the stage with RTL will definitely shut him up.

>>34394462

>Teleport short distance away
>Drop the disguise
>Swoop in, activate full angel theatrics and rescue the girl
>Give a stern lecture. Guards are to apprehend anyone who tries to leave.

>>34394462
>Go rescue the girl
>Keep pretending. I didn't sign up for no girl murder, the high n' mighty lady may lay girls but thats still better than killin' them.

>>34394462
>>Other
Conjure up a windstorm and then teleport on top of the asshat. Tie the git and his compatriots up and leave them for the crowd to have fun with.

>>34394462
>>34394588
Seconding.

>>34394560

I wonder what punishment should we dish out.

The ringleader was obviously going to murder the girl so he is probably going to hang. But what about the rest of them? Pardon? Lecture? Lashing?

I'm actually considering suggesting giving the ringleader to Shahulzar to deal with in his natural form to set an example, but doing it on the spot seems a bit too autocratic and furthermore not too good to his education.

>>34394462
>"So what is that demon supposed to do again?"
Let's distract him and maybe turn the citizens against him. If he actually starts some sort of ritual, then we intervene.

>>34394462
>Go rescue the girl
Agreed. >>34394588

>>34394711
He is about to cut her throat, he isn't going to start debating this.

>>34394699
>I wonder what punishment should we dish out.
Hanging for the would-be murderer. Lifetime of mine work for the cultists, and the normal people depends on how they behave now.

>>34394588
I agree with this as well

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>>34394711

Yeah, let's do that. In case he decided to act immediately, we can intervene literally lightning fast.

Also I find it a bit strange Sireyi would be so assured the girl would not be a virgin, considering her own condition. Is it common in this realm for nobles to force themselves on pretty peasant girls? Haven't the cultist checked?

>>34394739
>He is about to cut her throat, he isn't going to start debating this.
But don't you need, you know, a ritual for that to work? And candles and magic diagrams? If you could just summon a demon by killing a virgin, I'm sure there would be far more demons around. Unless the dagger itself is magic.

In any case my interjection was supposed to be loud enough to stop him for a moment and explain.

>>34394802
There is nothing strange about that. Young girls got around even in medieval times, and considering there is a goddess around that stands for free love, its not unreasonable to assume that they don't require "virgins" for marriage. Seyiri is clearly the odd one.

>>34394802
And if he does stab her, it's nothing a little healing (and divine energy in case of demonic magic afflicting the poor girl) can't fix.

>>34394848
He is already frustrated, he might not think about that too much. I wouldn't want to risk that girls life on anything.

>>34394868
He is gonna slash her throat. There is no reason to even let that happen.

>>34394868
It is if the dagger is like that dagger the cultist we encountered early in our journey had.

“I didn't sign up for no girl murder, the high n' mighty lady may lay girls but that’s still better than killin' them” You push your way through the crowd and shove aside the cultists that try to stop you. You climb up on the raised stone tomb the cult leader is using as a stage and confront him “Really, what does this girl have to do with supposedly poor leadership?”

“Blasphemer!” he cries, stabbing at you with the knife, you catch his wrist and pluck the knife from his grasp with your other hand.

“And this” you say, holding it up, “isn’t a very good knife, see it won’t even cut my skin” you demonstrate its inability to cut you “did you buy this from the same costume shop you got that stupid mask?”

“Face the wrath of hell!” he yells, blasting you with, well, a very weak spell that fizzles out before it touches you.

You pull the girl away from him and with a few twitches of your claws, slice through her gag and ropes “Of you go miss” you say, seeing Matthias and Shahulzer guarding her.

You use the telepathic bond you set up earlier to silently call in the guard.

“Are you stupid?” you ask the shocked cult leader “How is having a demon eat me going to solve anything?”

“Who are you?” he asks in confusion.

Oh, right, the dragon-form.

You drop the disguise and resume your natural form, your wings spread high, your halo blazing bright above your head.

“I’m Baroness Sireyi Valyenya” you boom out in the voice like the wrath of the gods “Paladin of Velya, your rightfully appointed lord, and mister, I am really sick off your bullshit!”

Clean-up proceeds without any mishaps. Most of the supposed worshippers were just people with every day gripes, the cultists mostly kids looking for a thrill, and the cult leader was a self-taught demon worshipper who thought it an easy way to power, and girls.

>>34395029
You spend months tracking down a mostly harmless cult, still, if you hadn’t a young girl could have died.

What’s the cult-leaders fate? His magical powers are insignificant, and his knowledge of demons almost non-existent. He’s a young man in his early 20’s.

I started writing when the vote was going the other way
>Redeeming Touch him, teach him a lesson
>Jail time
>Execution (the punishment for demon-worship, according to the law)
>Let him go, he’s no threat
>Other

>>34395050
>>Redeeming Touch him, teach him a lesson and Jail time

>>34395050
>Execution (the punishment for demon-worship, according to the law)
He tried to frikkin murder a girl for power and sexy time. Fuck him. We aren't above the law here, and thats perfectly ok right now.
Redeeming touch won't even do anything since he wasn't even evil before he got this shit idea.

>>34395050
>Execution (the punishment for demon-worship, according to the law)

>>34395050
>>Redeeming Touch him, teach him a lesson

>>34395050
Community service for the rest of his life? With a geas not to do such stupid stuff again? Killing seems so wasteful, especially if he can be redeemed.

Service to a church might also be fitting. Give him a chance to see the light and all that.

>>34395050
>Execution (the punishment for demon-worship, according to the law)
What exactly would redeeming touch do here ?
There is nothing to be redeemed with someone like that.

>>34395050
>Redeeming Touch him, teach him a lesson
>>34395091
>incessant yammering about not understanding the redeeming touch power or how Sireyi has thus far operated.

>>34395091
>>34395110
>>34395142
Sure is Paladin of Khonig quest in here.

>>34395147

I don't see why you don't get that redeeming touch doesn't make someone a good person.
Someone with the mindset "its okay to murder people for power and sexy time" isn't redeemable. It doesn't work like that, otherwise we would be morally obligated to use it on literally all our enemies.

>>34395050
'Go rescue the girl' was still in the lead, and just as many people thought the talking option was really stupid as actually voted for it.
Don't worry about it, you did the exact right thing.

>Redeeming Touch him, teach him a lesson.
>Jail time
Do both, Life in prison with possibility of parole after a couple of decades with good behavior.
Maybe make him do community service as well.

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>>34395110
>>34395142
>mfw

>>34395050
Redeeming touch along with hard labor

>>34395147
What exactly would he get from that anyway ?
It makes you feel the suffering of people you harmed, which at this point is zero as far as we know.

itt: People thinking superpowers trump due process.
I'm sure that girls parents will love that the guy who tried to murder their kid gets to live despite the law saying otherwise because of mystical mindpowers.

>>34395050

Well, he didn't actually manage to murder her and his demon worship seems not earnest or a threat.

I say grill him with a lecture and then have him drafted into the army and send him on frontier patrol duty. Either he'll get himself killed or will prove useful, and in both cases he'll have time to think about what he was about to do.

Redeeming Touch with a little jail time + community service, writing

>>34395198
We aren't just going to let him go, regardless of whether it works, but we do have a moral obligation to try and save a wayward soul that hasn't actually done too much evil yet.

He's getting a jail sentence and possibly hard labor as well, Redeeming Touch just determines if he's eligible for parole after 20 years or so.

>>34395255
We aren't letting him go.

>>34395198
>Someone with the mindset "its okay to murder people for power and sexy time" isn't redeemable.
Now that's loser talk. What would even be redeemable if some megalomanic idiot can't be redeemed? May I remind you that we have already redeemed an actual demon-worshipper as well as a bounty-hunter who had most certainly killed mostly-innocent people before? And are currently in the progress of redeeming a freaking Hellworm who has knowingly killed and eaten people just because he can?

Why would this person not be redeemable?

>>34395267
>little jail time + community service
Make that a lot, please. Like at least a decade if not more.

>>34395269
>We aren't letting him go.
He gets to live. The law says he should die. Do you think people like the noblity ignoring the laws at their convinience ?

>>34395278
Because Gendric and Shahulzar asked to be redeemed. And as far as we know, the only bad Shahulzar ever did was under compulsion, and maybe those Githzerai.

>>34395267
Ten years is standard jail time for attempted murder, at least in the American judicial system.

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>>34395136

Community service and with chance to prove himself, yes. Geas, absolutely not.

>>34395198

>isn't redeemable
Wrong. Literally everyone is redeemable, it just takes more effort with some. Too much to make it viable in fact.
This is clearly not the case. He's neither possessed by demons, he's just a violent delinquent that has chosen his career path very, very poorly. Redeeming him magically would probably be considerably easier than, say, the general we redeemed earlier.

Well think about it guys, if you can redeem a wayward pseudo-cultist tard, he'd make a good cultist hunter, wouldn't he?

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>>34395198
>>34395232


>pic related.

> You touch the target creature and flood their mind and soul with positive energy, showing them all the harm, all the pain and suffering they’ve caused others in their life. To the target this feels like a lifetime, but it only takes an instant, when it is over they know that they can make a choice: either continue down the path they are on, or try to make up for all the evil they have done.
>when it is over they know that they can make a choice
>they can make a choice
>make a choice


I honestly feel like there must either be something massively wrong with you people or I am completely crazy.

Like... We've been over this numerous times guys. Redeeming touch works. And as far as
>morally obligated to use it on literally all our enemies.
Almost every time we've been in a superior position and had the option to redeeming touch, I have advocated we take it. As a Paladin of Velya, I believe we are obligated to redeeming touch if possible.

If it was possible, then yes, I would advocate using redeeming touch on everyone. Its certainly a lot better than just murdering them. Which is what it would be if we had the ability to handily redeeming touch hordes of enemies without great risk to ourself

>>34395278
Its a matter of mindset, I would say.
The redeeming touch specifically makes people feel empathy with their victims, he hasn't had a victim yet, so the ability doesn't really do anything.
This spell doesn't make criminals not criminals.

More importantly, this action puts the Church of Veyla over the law of the land, which is nevger a good thing. Ever.

>>34395305
We're a paladin of a God who favors redemption. Suck it up, this kid is small time.

>>34395298

A lot of jail time would kinda defeat the purpose of the redemption and community service. A few years should be fine.

And make it clear to him that had we not been there to intervene and he actually succeeded, he would have hanged.

>>34395353
>showing them all the harm, all the pain and suffering they’ve caused others in their life.
Do you lack reading comprehension to not realise why this won't work very well here ? You think he is gonna mend his way for feeling the distress of one girl for a few hours ?

>>34395305
He's also pretty scrubby.
I don't know if we can even qualify that as demon worship, it was basically just a lynching with some undertones.
He had no idea what he was doing, seriously.

>>34395357
>he hasn't had a victim yet
I'll go tell that to everyone who has ever been kidnapped or almost been murdered.

>>34395381
See above. Also we have literally no idea what else this could could have done. What we see is not everything.

With everyone else sorted out, you approach the cult leader “What are you going to do to me?” he asks fearfully, Matthias has a firm grip on him.

“Teach you” you say, laying your hands on his head and flooding him with positive energy.

He convulses briefly in Matthias’ grip, then goes limp.

“Oh gods I am so sorry” he says “mother, please forgive me...”
“Take him away” you say to one of the guards “I think I’ll keep him locked up for a few years whilst he thinks about the fact that I could legally execute him for what he did. Then we’ll find some work for him, for another few years.”

“Oh thank you merciful lady” he says, as the guards drag him away.

“What sort of mindset would a person need to have to judge me as a leader based on my sexual habits?” you ask Matthias.

“Ah, um, I have no idea” he says, refusing to look at you.

“I do!” says Shahulzer, his hand raised “pick me, I can answer this one!”

“Let’s just go” pleads Matthias.

With the cultist threat dealt with, you now have an iron mine full of ogres to deal with.

No one is sure of their numbers, estimate range from 20, to over 100.

Who’s going with you?

>I’ll go alone
>I’m taking some of the party with me (who?)
>The troops are coming

How will you handle this?
>With stealth, I’ll spy on the ogres
>With force, they leave, or they die
>Diplomacy, let’s talk to them first
>Other

>>34395381

>implying he was a saint prior to abducting the girl for ritual sacrifice
>implying that even that brief horror the girl faced would not be enough for him to shit blood

>>34395404
>He's also pretty scrubby.
Which isn't really something the common people would be able to understand.

>>34395412

>Diplomacy

If the mine comes with free labour, that would have been pretty sweet

>>34395412
>I’m taking some of the party with me (who?)
>Matthias, Isla, Shahulza;
>Diplomacy, let’s talk to them first
>Lets redeeming touch the Ogers, I guess.

>>34395412
>>Bokin must come with us, been too long we haven't had the kid with us.
>>Diplomacy, let’s talk to them first

>>34395412
>>Diplomacy, let’s talk to them first
No idea's on who to take.

>>34395412
>I’ll go alone
>I’m taking some of the party with me (Matthias, Shahzulzer)

>Diplomacy, let’s talk to them first
then >With force, they leave, or they die if we must.


>>34395357
>More importantly, this action puts the Church of Veyla over the law of the land, which is nevger a good thing. Ever.
WHAT?! A justice system that actually puts out reformed criminals instead of locking them up and wasting resources or just offing them!!!

WHAT.
AN.
ABSOLUTE.
HORROR.
I'm kinda high strung today. But you people are stupid.

>>34395412
>Take some of the party (Matthias, Isla, Shahulzer)

>Diplomacy
Let's give it a shot, if it fails, then oh well.

>>34395489
I would have no problem with changing that law, but that isn't what you guys did or advocated.

>>34395412
Lets scry the ogres first though.

>>34395442

Oh right, take Shahulzer, obviously, and Isla for being a walking encyclopedia.

Matthias, Jianxi and a few guardsmen to back us up in case things got messy.

>>34395357
>puts the Church of Veyla over the law of the land
I'm quite certain we already do that to a degree. Velya's rules are just mostly compatible with the law.

>>34395366
A lot of community time, then. I didn't specify.

>>34395412
>Who’s going with you?
Anyone who wants. We might even take a few guards so that they get experience as well. Any of our super-powered friends would do the heavy lifting, the guards would do what they can and Sireyi provides healing and emergency rescue.

>With stealth, I’ll spy on the ogres
>Diplomacy, let’s talk to them (After we do recon)

>The troops are coming
>I’m taking some of the party with me

Let's have Mathias and Shahulzer go with us for holdout, with troops ready to storm the mines and fuck the ogres shit if diplomacy goes south which I deem likely because ogres, but we are obliged to try.

You, Matthias, Isla and Shahulzer go, with the troops nearby for help if needed.

And diplomacy hivemind wins, writing

>>34395583
Mah nigga.

>>34395517
Well, alrighty then. When/if we get some time, we should find out about the legality of what we just did. Also, maybe we should make it standing decree that people may be brought to us to be Redeemed, while we are around anyway. It would make a lot more sense than them just languishing in jails or being executed.

>>34395423
People appreciate mercy and fairness directed at them, pointlessly harsh punishments only increase distrust.

We must show fairness and mercy to our people.
>>34395357
>More importantly, this action puts the Church of Veyla over the law of the land, which is nevger a good thing. Ever.
Paladin.
Our oath to our God supersedes our duties as a Baroness.

We already told the guy who gave us the title this.

>>34395583
>Isla
Why not take Bokin instead?

>>34395604
>>34395517
I expect this would be handled similarly to other petitioners.

>>34395489
You do realize punishment exists to scare people of trying to commit crimes ?
If we redeem touch every criminal, people are going to feel safe going around commiting crimes knowing they won't get punished beyond the glowy touch, which they have no way of knowing how bad it is. That doesn't sound very reasonable to me.

>>34395604
Realistically I know Pally will never ever make this an actual issue. But how do you think people wilol feel about murderers or rapists of their loved ones walking around not appropriately punished, by their reckoning, do you think people will like that ? Of course not, they are going to resent us for it.

>>34395635
Isla got more votes, and I prefer to limit party size in potential combat situations

>>34395643

Actually getting caught is bigger deterrent than magnitude of punishment. And the kid did not get away without punishment either.
Also there is a stigma associated with being a criminal even in relation to pardoned criminals.

>>34395637
Clearly not since
> whilst he thinks about the fact that I could legally execute him for what he did

So the law still stands as it is.

>>34395716
>Also there is a stigma associated with being a criminal even in relation to pardoned criminals.
Which has failed to deter people from commiting crimes since the dawn of civilization, thats a very poor argument.
And redeeming touch does not make catching criminals more likely, so the other argument, while true, makes no difference here.

>>34395604
Generally in Medieval England the local village council held trial and determined sentencing for most crimes, though maiming was generally the standard punishment since it acted as a permanent proof of crimes committed that didn't earn a death sentence.

But showing lenience to an idiot who hadn't done any real harm just yet is perfectly reasonable and within our power as lord and master of the area.

You approach the iron mine cautiously, with Matthias, Shahulzer and Isla. You have your troops some distance away, ready to come to your aid if need be.

It’s not long before you encounter a pair of ogre guards, not too far from the mine.

“You no come here” says one threateningly, hefting his club “This ogre land, you go, or pay tax.”

“I’m not doing either” you say “I’m here to see your chief.”

“Why?” asks the other.

“Because this is actually my land, and I need to talk to him about paying *my* tax.” You explain

The two ogres exchange a long look before one trudges away towards the mine grumbling “This legal, this complicated”

Some time later, a much larger ogre, backed up by another dozen ogres come striding up to you. The larger ogre has a large helm on, with long horns jutting from it, he’s also carrying a large axe.

“What you talk about!?” demands the ogre “This ogre land, right of conquest!”

>It’s my land, you’re trespassing
>Everyone, kill the leader and the others will surrender, ATTACK
>Let’s work out a deal...
>Leave, this is too many ogres
>Other

>>34395804
>who hadn't done any real harm
I'm fairly sure the girl would disagree. And if he wouldn't have done any real harm, redeeming touch wouldn't have worked, since it makes him feel the harm he has inflicted.

>>34395815
>It’s my land, you’re trespassing
>Let’s work out a deal...

>>34395815
>It’s my land, you’re trespassing
>We don't want to drive you from land you have inhabited for some time without reason. So if you accept the law of the land, and pay tax, in form of iron ore, you may live in this land or the surrounding area as has to be determined.

>>34395815
>It’s my land, you’re trespassing
>Let’s work out a deal...
>>34395643
>punishment exists to scare people of trying to commit crimes?
I'm actually fairly sure that punishment is generally not much of a deterrent. I mean in real world terms btw.

>>34395676
Frankly, too bad. People have to deal with that now, in the real world, and in a lot of peoples opinion the appropriate punishment is death.


Anyway, my thoughts are basically this. If possible, attempt to redeem criminals and require them to serve some time away from society, whether that is imprisonment or large amounts of community service.

Now obviously doing this is not a foolproof system. But in my opinion at least, its significantly better than the current one.

>>34395757
Yep, theres really not a massive amount of things that actually effectively deter individuals from committing a crime.
So we might as well convert the criminals we catch into useful citizens instead of killing them or throwing them in prison.

>>34395815
Is it just me or does anyone else get a sex vibe from the ellipsis at the end of lets work out a deal...

>>34395819
>I'm fairly sure the girl would disagree.
Which he is getting punishment for, you don't kill folks for making other people fearful.

>>34395757
Even today people are screaming for the death of criminals (especially would-be child murderers). The thing is, we are the ones deciding what is appropriate punishment, not the populace. I think several years of prison and community service for attempted murder is fine, the redeeming touch is more of a bonus.

And I doubt knowing that any harm you inflict on others will be mirrored on you is not a good deterrent to commit crimes. More the opposite. If you know you'll be killed for your crimes, you can just continue committing more crimes. What are they gonna do? Double kill you? But with redeeming touch, the effect is guaranteed to be proportionate to the harm you did.

>>34395859
Attempting rehabilitation? Fine.
Just doing the glowy hand and calling it a day? Not fine.
It denies the victims any sense of justice having been done or peace of mind.
Criminals are punished and go to prison for an appropriate amount of time or are executed; the only reason I was okay with trying to redeem this guy is because he was pretty pathetic and hadn't done any major harm that we could see.

>>34395863
It's just you.

>>34395815
>“This ogre land, right of conquest!”
So, challenge him and any ogres he wants to a duel. Try not to kill them, just show that we are far stronger.

>>34395859
>I'm actually fairly sure that punishment is generally not much of a deterrent.
It is, if the punishment is harsher than the percieved possible gain, then yes it is a deterrent.

>imprisonment or large amounts of community service
I personally think someone coimmiting a capital crime, should not be let among people again. Even with redeeming touch, someone like that should serve labour for the rest of his live. That is a form of "death" sentence too, as far as the victims would be concerned.

>>34395912
>And I doubt knowing that any harm you inflict on others will be mirrored on you is not a good deterrent to commit crimes
I don't think its really common knowledge how that stuff works.

>>34395815
>Ask the chief's name
>If it's Boss Bawss Fistboss, befriend him.

>>34395917
>Just doing the glowy hand and calling it a day? Not fine.
Given that no one is arguing for that (as far as I can see) why are you even arguing to begin with? The glowy hand was in addition to punishment and will continue to be so.

>>34395917
Honestly, I'm pretty sure if we redeeming touch a guy who murdered one or more people, they'll turn the knife on themselves.

That'd be a pretty good deterrent. A guy on a stage in the middle of town, screaming from the agony he caused others, suddenly plunging a knife into his own heart.

All after a small glowing touch from the Baroness.

>>34395962
>I don't think its really common knowledge how that stuff works.
Then let's make it common knowledge. Tell people how this power works, that way if the news of us doing the glowing hand on criminals spreeds, so will the information of what it does.

Did it occur to you people that a lot of crimes may not be commited for evil ?
A lot of people can be decent upstanding folk, before becoming criminals. Someone having been redeemed from murder, may still commit murder again. It doesn't inure people against crime or evil. Their personality, explicetly, does not change as such. So someone prone to drunken rage for example, will stay a drunk.

>>34395815
They obviously accept the right of the strong.
>“This ogre land, right of conquest!”
As long as they don't think there is anyone strong owning this place they see no reason to leave. We can show our strength without killing them. Mock-duels, or simple our companion showing off his dragon form might do the trick. Fighting them (and then healing them) might work as well.

>>34396034
So? The redeeming touch still doesn't do any harm. And they are punished for their crimes either way.

>>34396068
After we have established our position as the stronger party, then we can negotiate terms. They can, of course, live on our lands if the conform to our rules.

>>34395757
>Which has failed to deter people from commiting crimes since the dawn of civilization, thats a very poor argument.
>Which has failed to deter people
nigga you high? Are you saying people don't refrain from behaviour that would make them undesirable or shunned in society? What society do you live in?

“It’s my land, you’re trespassing” you say “My allies and I could drive you from this mine if we had to, but instead, I think we should work out a deal.”

“What deal?” says the ogre chief suspiciously “And why I believe you tiny human?”

What are you asking for?

The ogres mostly keep to the iron mine, they’ve only attacked nearby villages twice in the last year, and both times it was smaller, younger ogres that seemed to be more interested in breaking things and stealing livestock than killing anyone.

The area around the mine has herds of sheep and cattle, and some fields of (badly tended) crops.

>Iron ore (boosts tax income)
>No more raiding villages
>I need you to fight in my armies when I call
>Other

And what do you offer? And how will you convince them of the threat you pose?

>Help with farming
>You’ll give them some more herd animals
>Display physical strength
>Shahulzer, they’re not scared of you, show them why they should be (transforms into dragon-form)
>I have giants on my side
>Display magical might
>Offer to fight him
>Other

How many of each you choose, affects the DC

>>34396122
>>Iron ore (boosts tax income)
>>No more raiding villages

>Help with farming
>Display physical strength
>Shahulzer, they’re not scared of you, show them why they should be (transforms into dragon-form)
>I have giants on my side
>Display magical might
>Offer to fight him

>>34396015
>Then let's make it common knowledge.
Its common knowledge that crimes get you punished. Yet people keep commiting crimes because they think they won't get caught. No amount of punishment or how effective it is, will convince people to not commit crime unless terrible enough that the possibility alone would deter them. And while people may in theory understand what the redeeming touch does. Its not really something you can "see", in difference to a hanged man.
>>34396106
>The redeeming touch still doesn't do any harm
Thats exactly the problem, yes.

>>34396112
People keep commiting crimes, so clearly it doesn't work. Both because this shunning isn't as universal as you seem to think and because the fear of it isn't that strong either.

>>34396122
>Iron ore (boosts tax income)
>No more raiding villages
>I need you to fight in my armies when I call

>Help with farming
>You’ll give them some more herd animals
>Display physical strength
>Shahulzer, they’re not scared of you, show them why they should be (transforms into dragon-form)
>I have giants on my side
>Display magical might
This shows that we are more than willing to help integrate them, but that if they refuse to cease hostilities we have no difficulty subduing them.
>>34395912
Very good points.

>>34395917
>It denies the victims any sense of justice having been done or peace of mind.
Heres the thing about Justice. Its a fabrication based upon a subjective line. At least in reality.
In this world, we have very much present, no doubts about it, Gods and Goddesses laying down moral laws and codes.
So if using redeeming touch on criminals is Justice enough for our Goddess. Then that makes what the victim wants revenge and is unjust.

>>34395962
Regarding capital crimes and isolation from the rest of the community. I disagree with doing that, and at least currently, most real world countries do as well. People receive decades of their life in prison as punishment but are sent back into the public with only the hope that they've changed their ways.

We have the ability to force a person to make a choice of good or evil when confronted with all the harm they've caused. This is a MASSIVE improvement above what we have going on today, and frankly the real world is doing rather well all things considered.

And no, this won't do much for crimes of desperation, like the poor stealing for food or really petty theft. But its better than the alternative of execution or imprisonment.

>I don't think its really common knowledge how that stuff works.
We should make it common knowledge then.

>>34395815

>It's actually my land
>If you respect rites of conquest, I can take it back by force, but I would prefer different solution that doesn't involve killing you.
>Let's work out a deal...

>>34396112
>nigga you high? Are you saying people don't refrain from behaviour that would make them undesirable or shunned in society? What society do you live in?
The real life one with multiple subcultures? Society is not all encompassing. One population doesn't like a dude, he fucks off and finds another one full of like minded folks.

>>34396122
>Iron ore (boosts tax income)
>No more raiding villages


>Help with farming
>You’ll give them some more herd animals
>I have giants on my side
>Display magical might

>>34396122
>Have them join Sereyi's rule

Offer
>Display of strenght
>help with famring and some hurd animals

Who's up for some Ogre taming?

>>34396122
>Iron ore (boosts tax income)
>No more raiding villages
>I need you to fight in my armies when I call


>Help with farming
>Display physical strength
>Shahulzer, they’re not scared of you, show them why they should be (transforms into dragon-form)
>I have giants on my side
>Display magical might
>Offer to fight him

>>34396168

>People keep committing crimes, so clearly it doesn't work
Are you strawmanning, or just obtuse? Being a deterrent doesn't mean people stop making crimes altoghether. It simply means their motivation to commit crime was stronger than the deterrence, but that does not mean it's not there or working. Try to imagine a society where committing a crime is not shunned and tell me if there is same amount of criminals there as in a society where it is.

All the things huh?

Ok, please roll Fellowship 1d20+19

>>34396284
I think you don't know what strawmanning is, I did not fabricate a argument you didn't make.
The point is, this "deterent" is just as secure as any other, meaning not at all, since people keep commiting crimes, there is no prove this does actually deter people, especially, if you have enough people like that, they just form their own subculture, as criminals have been doing since forever.

>>34396122
>why I believe you tiny human?”
Knock him over? Blow up a nearby boulder with lightning? This is so easy to prove.

>Iron ore (boosts tax income)
If they even can work as miners. They could just let humans work here.
>No more raiding villages
>I need you to fight in my armies if the country is attacked and I call for you.

>Shahulzer, they’re not scared of you, show them why they should be (transforms into dragon-form)
>Display magical might
>Offer to fight him
>You are allowed to live here, or we could help build huts for them elsewhere.
>Offer protection from outside forces.
>Help with farming
(Giving them knowledge and some seeds to start off)

Rolled 8 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>34396313

Rolled 13 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>34396313

Rolled 7 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>34396313

Rolled 2 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>34396034
>>34396168

Good points. First off, with or without redeeming touch, these issues still remain. Redeeming touch helps with the social and economic dead end that criminals present. The entire point of redeeming touch is to deal with people who are currently criminals. There are a myriad of other social policies that can help reduce the crime rate.

Regarding the drunk btw, RT gives a person a choice to make up for the harm they did and essentially try to turn over a new leaf. A redeemed raging drunk, would likely stop drinking. Just like people in real life stop drinking when they realize that they hurt the people they love.

Jeez, RT is like an intervention on massive steroids.

>>34396313
rolling

Rolled 12 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>34396313

Rollin'

>>34396122

>Iron ore (that's the point of a deal)
>No more raiding villages (that's a condition for letting them stay)
>If the countryside is threatened, I may have to call upon you to help me fight the threat (and preserve this sweet deal you've made for yourselves)

>We'll pay you with food! Help with farming, some cattle to start with and access to trade goods from rest of the kingdom.
>I challenge strongest of your warriors to a duel if you don't think you should be scared of me, and I'll show you why I should (don't kill him though)
>Also, meet my friend, the Dragon (Shahulzer)

>>34396168
What are you even arguing? That any punishment is meaningless? In that case we can just abolish the whole justice system. I don't even know what you want us to do or change.

The justice system works by a combination of the punishments being something people want to avoid and by having showing a good track-record of catching criminals (or pretending to catch many criminals in olden times).

>>34396320

Yes you did. You claimed that for social condemnation to be effective it would have to prevent all crime ever. That was never implied.

And if you wanted to stop all crimes altogether your choices boil down to either thought control and geasing everyone, or genocide and gassing everyone.

>>34396183
>Gods and Goddesses are objectively right
They aren't though. At all.
We've seen Konig make bad calls before, and who are you to tell the victims their desire to see justice done is unjust?
The Gods aren't perfect, they aren't always completely just and sometimes they're *too* merciful.
I realize this is a hard concept for you, being a moralfag, but letting a murderer go because he says he redeemed after we used redeeming touch is completely fucking retarded.
They can lie, and a big part of redeeming touch is that we don't know if they choose to continue down their previous path.

Regular crimes go to jail; Capital crimes get RT'd and then go to jail for an appropriate length of time.

>>34396192
>>34396320

>There are criminal subcultures

You are just proving my point. Which parts of society commit more crimes, the criminal subcultures, or the non-criminal ones?

>>34396502
Yet they are still part of the community, and the individuals keep commiting crimes. Therefore making any effect "shunning" could have on the willingness to commit a crime completly nil.

>>34396320
>The point is, this "deterrent" is just as secure as any other
In that case why are you arguing against doing this? If there is no difference, why do you argue at all? Not to mention the ridiculous claim that the current justice system does "not at all" deter people from committing crimes. Just because there are criminal subcultures doesn't mean there aren't also huge parts of society who decide not to do a crime because they fear being found out and punished.

>>34396546
>the ridiculous claim that the current justice system does "not at all" deter people from committing crimes
Now you see. This is a strawman, because I never said any such a thing. I said, social shunning does not reliably deter people from commiting crimes.
And "there are huge parts", is just empty nonsense. I could say there are huge parts of the population who commit crimes because its socially taboo, and it would be just was true.

>>34396578
>social shunning does not reliably deter people from commiting crimes.
In that case I think I missed your argument. Social shunning is an aspect of deterring crime, though a minor one. For example, having a criminal record does not mean you are automatically disallowed from being employed, but if you have one employers will often find excuses not to employ you. That is something I consider social shunning. If you are registered as a sex offender, people in most part of the society will not associate with you as easily.

You would have to be willing to change the subculture you belong to if you commit crimes. I mean, would you become fast friends with someone you know tried to kill a girl to summon a literal demon and order it to kill a half-angel?

Still, the main deterrent is the actual punishment. Shunning is more like an additional effect that may or may not happen afterward. There's a reason we put the demon-worshipper behind bars for years and didn't just leave him free hoping that people shunning him would be enough.

>>34396731
>If you are registered as a sex offender
Most countries in the world, do not register sex offenders. And even those that do, haven't been doing that for a long time. People do not have a criminal record in a medieval society. He can just travel to a village on the other side of our land, and no one will know who he is.

> I mean, would you become fast friends with someone you know tried to kill a girl to summon a literal demon and order it to kill a half-angel?
If I were a criminal who was also charged for demon-worship or murder ? Yeah.

Did thsi quest become Paladin of /pol/?

>>34396798
Moralfags and murderhobos are to be found everywhere.

>>34396798
Oh god could you image.

>>34396798
>Paladin of /pol/ Quest.
Now that's something I'd like to play yet be scared to play

>>34396479
>letting a murderer go
Nobodies being let go, stop being retarded.

>>34396479
They are a damn sight closer to objectively right than some random person who has been wronged. Yes, the gods are fallible to an extent, but at some point there has to be a moral standard, if we are going to pretend one exists. And I personally think the Goddess of Love and Joy is a damn good standard if we have to have one.
>They can lie.
And we are damn good at telling falsehoods from truths. Not to mention we could even gease them to tell the truth about whether they are lying.
Also, criminals can also lie about reforming while in prison. SURPRISE!
Regardless, RT is a significant improvement to the current system, but that does not mean the entire justice system should be demolished. Simply reformed to accommodate the ability to permanently and effectively turn criminals into productive members of society bent on righting their past wrongs. And they'd be bloody sincere about it too.

>>34396781
>If I were a criminal who was also charged for demon-worship or murder ?
Where was that part of the question at all?

Sure, outcasts can leave society and start bandit clans. Those get killed by the guards.

“What I want” you say “Is for the iron mine to be reopened, I want you to pay a tax in iron rather than gold. I also want you to keep your younger members under tighter control – no more raiding villages, and finally, I want you to fight in my army when I call for you.”

The Ogre chief laughs “By the Maw you funny, why I do this?”

“Because” you say, snatching a club from the nearest ogre “I’m more dangerous than I look”

You brace the long thick club against you knee, and with a barely audible grunt of effort, snap it in two.

The ogre chief doesn’t look impressed, but the others do, one even stats clapping, before a glare from the chief stops him.

“You have lots of farmland here” you say “and you’ve done well, but it looks like you’re new to farming, I can send people here to show you how to do better.”

“It true” says one ogre “Gronks crops no grow, even tho’ he signs to them every day.”

“But you could decline my offer” you say “And I’ll have my frost giant allies come and clear you out, oh and Shahulzer here.”

At a nod from you, Shahulzer resumes his natural form, one of the ogres drops his club in shock, before retrieving it, an embarrassed look on his face.”

You try a little more of the carrot “And your herds are a little thin, I could get a few more animals for you, I bet your clan eats a lot.”

“Some eat more than others” grumbles one ogre, only to be punched in the face by a larger, fatter ogre.

“And finally” you say, rising up into the air, lightning dancing all around you “I’ll prove my strength in single combat with you, if you dare.”

The ogre chief looks at you, and back at his somewhat awed ogres and says “I fink we can make a deal, winged human.”

You spend the rest of the day haggling over the details. One concession he does get from you is that he gets to send an ambassador of sorts to your court, to *learn your ways*.

>>34396884

Good thing we have books and a tv show about that. But let's not devolve this thread into a rant about goodkind books.

>>34396995
Within a few weeks you have some of your farmers helping the ogres with their crops, and you’ve increased the size of the ogres herds. You find some ex-miners willing to show ogres how to effectively extract iron from the ground.

A month later, the iron starts arriving in large quantities. Though novices at mining, the ogres are very strong, and willing to work tirelessly.

Seems you’ve enriched your realm and gained some new allies.

The ambassador the chieftain appoints is a rather small-looking ogre, barely 8ft tall. Have you been given another child to care for? He’s sporting quite a few bruises, and a black eye, and walks with a limp.

“Me nephew” explains Chief Crunchfist “Half-human”

“Or half-ogre depending on your point of view” says the small ogre

“Grax” he introduces himself “Grax Toosmall.”

“Gotta get him away” whispers Crunchfist “Others picking on him now.”

“I’m sure I can find a place for your ambassador” you say, wondering what work you can find for a half-ogre.

A year goes by and you tend to your realm, Ebonsong grows, your son and daughter start speaking, and walking, albeit slowly.

Sofia is becoming an excellent hand-on ruler, and Jal an able assistant.

Shahulzer is enjoying himself, and learning a lot about the world he now lives in.

Isla has decided to make herself indispensible to your estate, trying to be everywhere at once.

Matthias trains with the guards and starts gaining there respect, the captain says to one day “When I need to return to the kings service, that lad is officer material.”

Jianxi seems somewhat withdrawn, focusing on studying the scrolls she took. You’ve made copies, you just need to figure out some way of giving the originals back without getting killed or captured.

>>34396987
>Where was that part of the question at all?
You asked I I would become fast friends with a demon-worshipper who tried to kill a girl. And I told you under what circumstances that is reasonable.

>>34397023
[Metapost]

XP 9
General
- 1 year (downtime XP) 5
- Both tasks complete 4

Paladin 1
- Used Redeeming Touch 1

Angel 4
- Spared lives 4

[End Metapost]

Please pick 2 tasks, then we’ll skip ahead 1 year.

>I want to rescue my mother from Salvastis
>Investigate Orc/Beastmen build-up
>Investigate Dragon
>Venture into Clithenwald
>Village of the walking dead
>Hunt bandits

And (since 1 shitstorm isn’t enough), you have plenty of time to deal with your romantic life, now that you’re not constantly in danger. You could pursue someone (or, more likely, let someone catch you), or you could wait.

[This is not a sex-scene intro, it’s about dating]

>No romance for now
>Sireyi will start dating (who?)
>Play match-maker (i.e. Jianxi and Matthias, etc)

This bit is optional, obviously

>>34397050
>>Investigate Orc/Beastmen build-up
>>Investigate Dragon
As mush as i want to save mum, we should finish our duty here some more before going to hell.

>>34397050
>Village of the walking dead
>Hunt bandits

>Play match-maker (Jianxi and Matthias)

So, do we actually spend our money to build things now, or did I waste about 45 minutes of my life making a sheet for that?


Did we ever decide on which of the two sheets we wanted?
This is important.

>>34397050
>Investigate Dragon
>Venture into Clithenwald

>Play match-maker (i.e. Jianxi and Matthias, etc)
>Jianxi and Matthias of course. She can need it.
>Start trying to be closer and spend time with the mothers of your children, we did want to give them a chance (Sofia and Jal)

>>34397050
>>34397099
Also >Play match-maker (Jianxi and Matthias)

>>34397050
>Investigate Dragon
>Venture into Clithenwald
>Sireyi will start dating (who?)
Isla.

I’m ending the thread here. Thank you for playing, I hope you enjoyed it.

I will be running tomorrow at 12-noon BST, I hope to see you all then.

I will check archives tomorrow for votes etc.

And of course, one last vote.

>Spend Realm money on upgrades (what?)
>Let Sofia (and QM) handle that

Feedback, advice, comments are always appreciated.

Even the criticism (especially the criticism) - if I don't know what I'm doing wrong, I'll find it hard to improve.

>>34397146
>Let Sofia (and QM) handle that
Thats what we said would happen anyway.
>Except, Build a Church of Velya

>>34395050
>Redeeming Touch him, teach him a lesson.
and then
>Jail time
So he understands why what he did was wrong and accepts his punishment.

>>34397146
>Spend Realm money on upgrades (what?)
I'M SO GLAD YOU ASKED

To start:
>70,000 gold
>590 base revenue, bonus 70,000 revenue from royal subsidy (Fairly certain this is one-time-only).
>2,500 upkeep
>Taxes are at 1
>Military of 100 infantry
>59000 pop, 0% growth
>45% approval and 50% morale
>Shit roads -1 trade

>Church of Velya -5000 Gold +500 Upkeep
>Church of Konig -10000 Gold +1000 Upkeep

>Social Programs +15 -7500 Gold +750 Upkeep
>+15% Approval, +7.5% growth

>Infantry +250 -15000 +3000 Upkeep

>Taxes +2 Approval -10%
Countered by Social Programs

>Well-maintained roads (-5000 Gold +1000 Upkeep) (Trade malus removed) (effectively +1 Trade = +2000 Revenue)

>Trade Halls (-5000 Gold +500 Upkeep) (+5 Trade, +10000 Revenue)
>Mazon-sanctified Trade Halls (-10000 Gold +1000 Upkeep) (+5 Trade, +10000 Revenue)
>Moneylenders (+1000 Upkeep) (+5 Trade, +10000 Revenue)

>+16 Trade = +16% Approval

57500 Gold spent, 12500 remaining
Approval +21%, now 66%
Trade +16, Revenue +32000
Infantry +250, 350 total
Growth +7.5%
Upkeep +8750, 11250 total

I'd like to be able to pay the upkeep for the next year, so that's all the gold I'm spending.

OP, to be clear, do you mean subsidy as in 'debt' or subsidy as in 'gift, but if you waste it the king's gonna be pissed'.

Feel free to inform me of any bits you want altered or if I flubbed the math somewhere.

>>34397050
>Venture into Clithenwald
>Village of the walking dead

>Play match-maker for Jianxi and Matthias
Didn't we tell Jianxi we help with that ?

>Date Sofia and Jal, if they still want to try a real relationship instead of a conquest.

>>34397184
Looks good to me.

>>34397184
>(Fairly certain this is one-time-only).

Nope, 70k/year for 5 years total, then we'll see.

>>34397050
>>Investigate Dragon
>Sireyi will start dating (who?)
Isla, she's always been my favorite character
>Play match-maker (i.e. Jianxi and Matthias, etc)
Jianxi and Matthias

>>34397050
>Venture into Clithenwald
>Investigate Dragon

Can we maybe get Shahulzer to do high altitude scouting of the borders on the Orcs or something? Or send scouts, either of our own or the giants or some shit?

>Sireyi will start dating (Sofia, our baby momma)

Captcha: 69

>>34397184
>>OP, to be clear, do you mean subsidy as in 'debt' or subsidy as in 'gift, but if you waste it the king's gonna be pissed'.

Oops, missed this.

Gift, government handout. You don't need to pay it back.

The king needs a secure border and he knows he just handed you a...less than ideal Barony

>>34397050

well, most pressing (aside from obviously rescuing mother, but, so to speak, we are not prepared) seem to be:
>Orc/Beastmen buildup
And
>Village of the walking dead

I think bandit duty could be safely left to Matthias and Jianxi and some men.

>Romance
>play matchmaker (Jianxi x Matthias), but be subtle about it. Sending them on a mission together might be a start...
>I don't care much whether Sireyi starts dating or not in the meantime
Oh!
>Dreamwalk to Ellahi, check how she's doing (Or planeshift and visit her in person)

>>34397184
Oh Autism Anon.. I... I think I might love you.

>>34397050
>Investigate Dragon
>Venture into Clithenwald
Second try.

>>Play match-maker (i.e. Jianxi and Matthias, etc)
>Is there anyone besides those two ?

>Oh boy, but .. Sofia and Jal.
I think we can at least try it if something 'more' can grow from this. It would be nice to be together like that with the mothers of our children. But I understand if they might find two is enough.

>Spend Realm money on upgrades (what?)
Normally I would say let Sofia do it but >>34397184
I can't take that from him.

>>34397050
>Investigate Orc/Beastmen build-up
>Investigate Dragon


>Play match-maker (Jianxi and Matthias)


>>34396479
>Moralfag
I wrote a whole fucking rant about it, but its not massively important. I'm really not a moral fag, I personally don't believe in objective moral truths.
I am playing a character the way that makes sense to me. However, if I personally was in Sireyi's place, I would likely take the same course of action though. If for different reasons. The societal effects of essentially curing criminals would be massive and incredibly beneficial to society.


I repeat I am not a moralfag, go check out Reclaiming Might Quest. Love the shit out of it and really enjoy the contrast in tone between the two quests.

>>34397146
Thank you are running Pal. I had a lot of fun today.

>>34397252
>Can we maybe get Shahulzer to do high altitude scouting of the borders on the Orcs or something? Or send scouts, either of our own or the giants or some shit?

You can, it won't reveal as much info as spending your own time doing it, but either (or both) of those are options, yes.

>>34397050
>Investigate Dragon
>Venture into Clithenwald
>Sireyi will start dating (who?)
Isla, she's always followed us. Though I suppose excluding Sofia and Jal might be bad.

>>34397184
I agree with this setup. Then we can get lumber resources this timeskip or next timeskip to increase income more. If we're having 5 years of 70k/year I'd say at some point we pull a muster call for moar troops.

>>34397184
Absolutely wonderful. I fully support that.
I expect I'll also support it, if you change it due to the 70k being for 5 years. Thanks for putting that all together.
>>34397283
Thank you for running as always Pally. It was really fun. I'm looking forward to next time, as always!

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>>34397275
I guess it's just more that my playstyle for paladins is more influenced by pic related, the third post in particular.

I'm sorry I called you a moralfag.

>>34397146

Thanks for the thread(s), OP, was awesome as always. Keep on shinin'!

>>34397184
Thank you very much good sir.

>>34397342
I completely understand anon. In fact, that is generally how I play Paladins myself, and if we were a Paladin of Konig (God of Warriors, Knights and Paladins), I'd be all for it and wouldn't really give a shit about Redeeming Touch.

Us being a Paladin of Velya (Goddess of Joy, Life, and Peace) and the cumulative effect of our past actions has left us with being very much a person (at least in my opinion) who would prioritize redemption, peace and love. As well as reforms that would spread that. That coupled with we've never had any moral incongruities with any of Velya's commands or anything, firmly leaves me in a position where I believe Sireyi would firmly believe Velya to be an objective moral standard.


And thank you. I completely understand the confusion.

>>34397184
Okay, so, since I don't actually need to worry about upkeep and have 12500 more Gold to spend...
I'll get more dudes and social programs, because the only other thing I can buy other than that is a Church of Yerra, and we don't need one of those yet.
All it does is allow mages to be recruited for a fairly high cost, I'd like a good Infantry and Cavalry base before we start getting specialists.

>Infantry +150 -9000 Gold +2250 Upkeep

500 Infantry total, which means we have just enough for Wagon Trains.
Unfortunately, we don't have enough gold for them.
We can get them right away next time, however.

>Social Programs +7 -3500 Gold +350 Upkeep
>+7% approval, +3.5% Growth

Altering...

70000 Gold spent, 0 remaining
Approval +28%, now 74%
Trade +16, Revenue +32000
Infantry +400, 500 total
Growth +11%
Upkeep +11350, 13850 total

>>34397507
Seconding addendum.

>>34397050
Okay, now, as for XP.
Did the players manage to decide whether they liked the Dragon's Breath sheet or the Celestial Iron sheet more?

This is kind of important.

>>34397574
I updated it as Dragons Breath, so....

>>34397574
If we can make celestial iron during another skip or retroactively, then I'll second that one. I otherwise have no issue with the Dragon's Breath one.

>>34397583
Alright then, that means we have:
>9 GXP
>3 PXP
>9 AXP

And purchased:
>Parenting +2
>Dragon's Breath
>Investigator +1
>All Dragon's Breath Mod spells

Correct?

Also, did you verify whether we could create Celestial Iron during a skip or not?

>>34397574
More people spoke against it than in favor, but I think most didn't express any opinion so we got dragon brwath. Especially since that means Ebonsong has grown now.

>>34397627
>Also, did you verify whether we could create Celestial Iron during a skip or not?

You can

>>34397634
I see, but now that it is no longer "Dragon's Breath *or* Celestial Iron", would you want the Create Celestial Iron power?

>>34397665
In that case:
>Create Celestial Iron: -9 AXP -6GXP
>Sanctuary 2: -3 PXP -3 GXP

As always, I am open to discussion.

>>34397627
>Correct?
Yes

Sorry it's late, I'm missing stuff

>>34397720
Supported


>>34397725
I'm honestly rather amazed at how well you keep track of stuff in general. You are really rather good at this.

>>34397720
I'm not a fan of the Celestial Iron idea, I would rather we take as much Sanctuary as possible so we can go to hell and free our mother.
As I understand it, the "making iron" woulod still take a slot, yes ?

>>34397720

I agree with Sanctuary, though I don't liek celestial iron one bit.

>>34397767
>>34397768
It's distressing, because I quite like the idea of a weapon that does multiplied damage against demons and armour which resists all their abilities more than only relying on sanctuary if we are to journey into hell itself.

I can modify it, if that's truly what you wish.

OP, you really need to put the pastebins in the second thread too.

>>34397797
The Celestial Iron entry doesn't mention that though. That should be added then, because it makes it of course far more attractive.

One last note, I swear, honestly, last one.

When making magic items, it's pretty damn free-form.

As long as you have the power/spell, and the appropriate ability (Imbue Holy Magic Item etc) you can make magic items do whatever you can justify.

The limiters are the DC of the Willpower check, the time taken, and for really powerful stuff, the XP cost.

As well as of course, your own knowledge - for example:

You can create basic power armour right now. You cannot (yet) create massive warstrider-esque power armour that enhances all of your powers and turns into a dragon on command - because you're not that powerful.

Celestial Iron gives a BIG boost when making holy items, and as default gives any item anti-demon effects.

Pastebins, as requested

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Rules http://pastebin.com/yKvP3AiP
The World http://pastebin.com/3H9fnizc
Archive http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/33059651/
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>>34397050
>Save mom.
Do that shit.

>>34397050
Thank you for running, even if I missed it today.
I like how much more pro-active our companions have gotten without prompts, thats really a huge improvement.

If votes still are counted

>Investigate Dragon
>Village of the walking dead

>Match-making: Jianxi/Matthias
Did I miss another potential couple ?
Unless we want to hook up Bokin and the Ogre

>Dating; Sofia-Jal

>Spend Realm money on upgrades >>34397184
I defer to AA as often.

>>34397720
If celestial iron really has all those anti-demon abilities. Then I would approve of this, we need to stack up our demon fighting ability, especially sustained demon fighting. So we can go save Seyiris mother next year.

>>34397768
>>34397797

I like Celestial Iron for gear for us and perhaps few elite guards, but I also like sanctuary.

Celestial Iron will give us better Edge if we take our time in making preparations, and to go to hell we'll have to be prepared indeed.
I wonder what effect delaying will have on our demonic nemesis though. Hellish politics might mean he will be challenged at every turn and his power relatively stable while ours grow, but it could also mean he grows more powerful with every moment.

...have we purified the tainted essence we used to cure Sereyi's sister?

We should probably work on that, along with saving her mother.

Sanctuary and Celestial Iron, in conjuction with the purified essence should be more than enough to deal with Hell.

Who do we want to take to hell ?
Shahulzar seems like a given. I suppose we have no reason not to take Matthias if he wants to.
Isla is of course useful, not so sure about Jianxi.
While Sofia would be very useful, she needs to keep the fort, so that is right out.
Maybe Bokin ? Not sure if he has the mental fortitude for that though.

>>34397869
We're planning on it, but first we must prepare ourselves.
I'm certain that dying or being captured in an ill-conceived attempt to rescue our mother would be far worse for her than postponing it briefly.


>>34397941
I don't plan to stop upgrading Sanctuary simply because I'd prefer Celestial Iron at this point in time.

Sanctuary is a very useful ability against evil creatures and demons, but more importantly, it can be imbued into Celestial Iron equipment at a much higher level of potency than if it was imbued into mundane gear.

The same applies to all holy enchantments, which stack further on Celestial Iron's anti-demonic properties.

I don't plan on waiting too long, three years from now at the absolute maximum, possibly as low as one.


>>34398018
We're waiting for Angel's Voice 3 and Angel's Magic 3, as we get bonus powers from reabsorbing the purified essence if we've already maxed out the skills it drew from.

>>34398019
I'm hesitant to take any other than Shahulzar, to be honest.
I fear most of our companions are simply too fragile in their current states.

Just look at Isla and Jianxi's HP pools.

They don't have any true armor class, either.

Now that we have land to rule...I think Root of All Life is even better. Shit, with Sculpted Life, not only we wouldn't have to worry about population problems, but we would also be able to make the coolest popoulation ever.

Sereyi, the Life Giver.

Fuck, yes, I want this so much.

>>34398122
>I'm hesitant to take any other than Shahulzar, to be honest.
Yeah, I know what you mean. But I fear only him would be too little back up in case of a fight. And we aren't all that sneaky.
Seyiri seems to attract demonic followers though, so maybe we get a party together in hell.

>>34398224
Bait.

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>>34398224

Let's not.

>>34398224
Do it!

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>>34398224
hostlustintensifies.gif
also
>pic related

>>34398269

Hey now, totally different things. Sereyi would do it to spread joy and happiness, and create many little perfections.

>>34398343

C'mon, you know it will be awesome. Not as as cool as converting Hell into Heaven, but still pretty great for a Ruler.

>>34398477
>Capitalized ruler
Confirmed for demon.

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Does anybody else picture this little guy when thinking of Ebonsong?

>>34398533
I don't even know what or who that is.
Please explain.

>>34397050
>Investigate Dragon
>Venture into Clithenwald
>Sireyi will start dating (who?)
Isla, Sofia and Jal as well if necessary. Don't want to cause a shitstorm, but will be very sad if Isla's left out
>Play match-maker (i.e. Jianxi and Matthias, etc)
Duh, Jianxi and Matthias

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>>34398533

Nope, sorry.

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>>34398477
>C'mon, you know it will be awesome. Not as as cool as converting Hell into Heaven, but still pretty great for a Ruler.

Oh, I actually do agree. I would prefer not to go about it in a way that'll make /d/ come running, though. I think it could be rather amusing to have us going around just blessing people with children, practically being an Avatar of Velya and shit.
>>34398533
I love little ebonsong.

>>34398558
The reincarnated baby version of this dragon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N77tmqmMpA

>>34398576
I would too, quite a bit.
May as well count this as a vote for Isla/Jal/Sofia as well, since I didn't vote in that category during my actual vote.

>>34398224
Root of all Life makes Seyiri pregnant, not others.
The only thing we could do is "bless" others unborn children with sculpted life.

>>34398867

Well, guess that's what Wellsping of Life is for, then.

>>34398973
No.

>>34398989
He's baiting, anon.

>>34399009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hetaBX00wtI

>>34399009

No, you are baiting.