So I had an idea for a /tg/ custom chapter, something I haven't seen done before.The concept is that they are the poorest, most badly supplied chapter in the Imperium, or at least one of the worst.Their armor is ancient, predominantly mark 4 Maximus and mark 5 Heresy suits, their bolters the 'civilian' bolters bought off the open market, large parts of their overall fighting force made up of unaugmented humans with Imperial Guard style gear and organization, forced to buy or barter passage on civilian cargo ships in order to deploy their forces.Basically a chapter straining to get by with a bare minimum of equipment, personnel, cash and goodwill.What would such a chapter be like? What could bring such a chapter so low? What kinds of moves might such a chapter make to stay alive or maintain what fighting forces they have?
>>34091720I'm thinking they would have to have a close relationship with a Rogue Trader who helps supply them with things, and in return they have some of their marines assist him in his endeavors.they would also be keeping an eye on him to make sure he doesn't do anything unscrupulous to get the supplies they need. He would also probably ferry their troops to battlezones and use his more combat capable ships to help them in combat with orbital support.
>>34091720Mk IV is one of the best patterns of Power Armour. It was the height of Power Armour Technology pre-heresy, and in some respects is still better then Mk VII.You'd probably want a Legion in all MK V, because of all the marks Mk V Is probably the worst, save for Mk I.
>>34091946Alright then, mostly marks V and VI then.I'm thinking they got most of their Mk V armor when the rogue trader in question found an old supply ship that got caught in a warp storm and killed the crew, cutting a deal with the chapter. They could have all the Space Marine arms and armor aboard if he got to take basically everything else, they agreed and have been working together ever since.
>>34092003So any ideas for why they're so badly supplied?Forge world destroyed before it could make their gear and no other one within range to keep them supplied perhaps?Maybe they were founded in a far flung segment of the Imperium, and the trade routes aren't stable enough to keep the supplies they need coming to them, so they ended up being cut off from proper supply lines?
>>34092190One idea might be that they pissed off the local authorities in the areas they operate in, and so they don't fund/supply them Maybe they went sort of rogue and are now ostracized, needing to resort to whatever they can get for supplies
>>34092450That could work.But I wonder what they could do that would be bad enough to be totally cut off from supplies, but not so bad as to be declared heretics and hunted down.Maybe they just operate in a very low tech area? Lots of feral and medieval tech worlds so after their forge world was destroyed early on there just isn't anyone here who can properly supply them?
>>34092190For them to have so little they would need to have gotten bum fucked so hard they lost everyting first. Then they can't get supplies because they are isolated/their suppliers got killed/they are picked on by pirates etc etc.
>>34092512how about this.They were a newly founded successor chapter who got assaulted before they could properly establish their base of operations, they won in the end but lost a lot, and the forge world that had been contracted to supply their gear was obliterated so badly that it barely functions anymore.The other planets in the area are all pretty loyal and supportive but they're still freaking out over the revolutionary technology of the recurve bow and how it will change everything forever, so they're not good for much beyond food supplies.But their rogue trader friend has a nice big cargo ship which he uses to harvest massive food supplies from the region's low tech agriworlds, and helps out where he can. The marines also go scav the ruins of the forge world for basic equipment, power armor parts, bolter rounds, anything they can get their hands on.
>>34091720>something I haven't seen done before.>What would such a chapter be like? What could bring such a chapter so low? What kinds of moves might such a chapter make to stay alive or maintain what fighting forces they have?Looks up Marines Malevolent.
>>34091946From what I've read, Mk. II is considered the best by many, but it's problem is that it's bitch to repair and maintain, as it's stuffed with so many systems and abilities.Mk. VI basically simplified the design but is also much more rigid and less refined. It's a mix between the sophistication of Mk. II and the simplicity of later marks. Mk. V and VI were just wartime variants, ranging from clobbered together suits to various full production models. Mk. VII is technically the end all suit that doesn't offer the best protection or the most comforts, but offers ease of maintenance and production. Mk. VIII merely fixes the few problems of the Mk. VII, but doesn't isn't considered top priority over the Mk. VII.
>>34092658The only info I can find on them is that they're a collection of massive asshats who don't give a damn about actually protecting anybody and just kill everything in sight regardless of how many innocent civilians get killed.Which is really not what I'm going for here, I know it's not exactly embracing grimdark but I like my marines to at least try to be the noble heroes the rest of the Imperium looks up to them as.
>>34092833>The only info I can find on them is that they're a collection of massive asshats who don't give a damn about actually protecting anybody and just kill everything in sight regardless of how many innocent civilians get killed.They are also in a tight spot in terms of supplies. Everything the own is in a state of poor repair and they steal everything they can get their hands on. Both of those things are a direct result of their previous behavior which led to difficult relations with various imperial forces. Not sure if they were declared renegade, but they are probably at least on the verge.I'll try to find some sources for you. They were featured in one of the IA articles, the Armageddon campaign website and I think some FW stuff too.
/tg/ once, I remember, started making the Poor Marines.http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Section_8http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/5429047/The Botany Bay was a forlorn sight. A dead carcass half buried in the waves of sand that stretched from horizon to horizon under a sky like an open door into Gods own oven. The sun was at the apex of its arch and in another nine hours would dip below the eastern horizon and envelope them in the bitter chill of the night. In the eighteen hours of darkness before the sun rose in the west the Botany Bay would glimmer in the starlight and seem almost alive.It would be the only living thing on this gritty ball of sand and sunshine thought Brother Dromus Hurango, known to everyone as Drongo.What sins must his ancestors have committed, he wondered, for them to have crashed the ship on this of all planets. There was a brief, ear splitting sound. It sounded like something tearing an iron girder in half. The sound was accompanied by an incredible stench of O-zone.Brother Drongo aloud himself a brief smile. The void shields were still operational, but for all that he tried he could not get them above eighty percent of full output. This was possibly because none of the three surviving plasma reactors were safe to operate above seventy-five percent output, and that was because the ancestors had been forced to cannibalise pieces of the cooling system to keep the water cyclers working (at fifty percent output but one hundred percent efficiency).For a time there was cool beneath the dome of the void shield. For a time. Regardless of what Chapter Master Jimmy demanded, Drongo was not going to keep the shield up for more time than was absolutely necessary for the people along the emitters to perform their diagnostications. The longer they were up the more likely it was that something would burn out and trying to beg a spare off of the Mechanicus was an exercise in futility.
>>34092999Oh yeah, the whole point of bringing them up is: poor relations to imperial allies can cause the lack of equipment and stuff you want for your Marines.They don't have to be dicks to end up in the same situation.Maybe they are on a repentient crusade, maybe they failed to defend an STC against Chaos and are hated by the AdMech now or anything like that.Can still be noble and end up pretty unpopular. Kind of the Batman: Dark Knight deal.
>>34093035A brief squawk of static on the much patched together radio receiver told him that the teams dotted around the skin of the ship had finished their work. With evident relief Drongo flipped the big red switch and the void shields flickered off again. The sun beat down with renewed vigour and the only evidence of its respite was a circle of fused sand around the ship where the shield wall had touched the ground.Apothecary Mordred was reviewing the new neophyte. And that was just the thing; there was only one of them. Genetics was like that, you went through spells when you couldn’t turn around without bumping into people who were compatible, and then you got times like this. On any decent planet the quirks of the human genome would just be subsumed into background statistics and, over a population of, for instance, two billion, you would not notice a thing. But the planet Purgatory only had a population of, counting unborn children, four thousand seven hundred and thirty seven. So the statistical blips were more pronounced.On the positive side the vague eugenics, if that’s what you would call it, programme the ancestors started seemed to be working. If viewed over the passing of centuries there were always compatible aspirants enough to counter the casualties.Mordred often wondered what it must be like to work for an important chapter, like the Iron Hands or the Salamanders, who didn’t have this sort of problem to worry about, who actually had proper equipment made by Mechanicus Magus’s. The Aspirent, Trevur Quindog, was seventeen standard years old and, as he had been found genetically suitable for the transformation, was encouraged to father at least two children to carry on his favourable genes.
>>34093053There were complications with trying to alter someone at such a late stage in life; biopsychosis, organ rejection, organ mutation, SIDS (Sudden Inexplicable Death Syndrome), neural decay, seizure, strokes and a whole host of lesser problems. But it seemed to be working out so far, the chapter got a steady trickle of Neophytes and the gene pool of the Purgatorians was never irreparably plundered. To look at, as he spared with the Chapter Master, the Neophyte was not the pinnacle of human perfection. Almost certainly he would have been rejected by the likes of the Ultramarines or the Dark Angels. He was one of those gangly youths who seemed to be made entirely out of elbows and, on a planet of such unremitting sunshine, still managed to be pale and pasty. But he was certainly very quick. Mr Quindog possessed a means of motion that was utterly unpredictable. He did not so much move as jerk from one position to another in a series of jolts. When he ran he could cover a deceptively large amount of ground.And he was enthusiastic. That counted for a lot. He had been sparing for three whole hours but had not yet managed to land a blow on CM Jimmy. The enthusiasm would wear off, but it may last long enough to help him survive the ascension.
>>34093075Chapter Master Roberius Hardrew Jameson, better known as CM Jimmy, was training the Aspirant. The boy was fast, impressively fast, for a human. Not as fast as an astartes, but very fast non-the less.Out of the corner of his eye he could see Dr Mordred observing them. Being watched always annoyed Roberius, it reminded him too much of the time they were being stalked by Eldar Rangers. They had not been attacked and the pointy-eared xenos had always been too far away or too inconveniently positioned to confront. They still did not know what the whole thing had been about. The two most popular theories were; it was a training exercise or they were being observed out of some alien notion of curiosity. The Chapter Master secretly believed that they were being warned. The Rangers would not allow themselves to be seen unless they wanted you to know that they were watching you.The job of Chapter Master, he reflected as he casually sidestepped an uppercut that would have had a human spitting teeth, was not what it was all cracked up to be. There was a copy of the full collection of the Codex Astartes, it took up a whole shelf, in his room and it had a very detailed list of things a Chapter Master was supposed to do when he was ruler of a planet. Few of them were ever going to be applicable to him. There was a whole chapter, haha bad pun, on procedure and hierarchy when dealing with the Mechanicus enclaves on your planet. There were no Mechanicus enclaves on the planet. There were more than a hundred pages on how to keep the Eccelicarchy happy whilst not wielding too much power. There was no division of the Imperial Cult on the planet. It had a section on etiquette when dealing with the Navis Nobillite.
>>34093109There wasn’t a navigator within thirty light-years, unless one got lost. There was an entire volume on dealing with other Chapters. This was unnecessary because all the other Chapters refused to acknowledge their existence, even the Guard tried to look down on them (until they begged for help). The only piece of useful information was at the end book on dealing with resource management and protracted campaigns in dessert environments. And half of that he had known since he was a child in any case.The job of Chapter Master, he reflected as he deflected a kick to the stomach, was not as glamorous as books made it out to be.
>>34093135Carefully, carefully. Just a few more seconds. There, done. The drinking straw was brought into contact with his cold dry lips.Librarian Jakes was not a happy person. He had been a great warrior once. A true horror that could freeze the marrow in a mans bones with dread.Now he was probably the only Space Marine who needed two walking sticks. That damned Apothecary had told him that he would recover eventually. But eventually was a bloody long time to have the Shakes. It was embarrassing, more than anything. Humans got the shakes when the inhaled or drank something that damaged their nerves. Marines should be immune to such mundane rubbish. It was such a shame he had spent two long weeks breathing in nerve gas. It hadn’t been until a few days afterwards that that his body started to let him down.Now he was stuck, always stuck, on the ship acting as a relay post for the bloody astropath.It was no life for a Space Marine.Mind you it was a better life than being dead, and at least he would recover eventually without the need for massive cybernetic reconstruction. Shaky Jake did not like cybernetics. There was just something about them that freaked him out, it being a part of you but not alive.
>>34093035Interesting, and storytime, I thank you.I'm thinking that they're the protectors of a bunch of low tech agriworlds, and are fairly active in their immediate area, generally hailed as heroes and such.Their own planet would be another medieval world that is home to what surviving techpriests they were able to save, making new wargear not with massive factories, but one at a time, by hand, with the assistance of the best blacksmiths on the planet.Reduced to making one bolter at a time with what tools they are able to carry, village apothecaries mixing chemicals for gunpowder, that kind of stuff.Figure they would have a lot of naval-pattern bolters, the closest thing they have to standard issue would probably be the Locke pattern bolter from the Rogue Trader RPG book.
>>34093161There were veterans of particularly intense engagements who had lost limbs. He could see the absent appendages, ghostly shimmers that were there and not there, dancing flickering wisps in shapes and forms that were lacking in substance. In their minds they were whole. The ghost limbs fit over the replacements like a second skin, alive but dead and oddly disturbing, like Cortex Technology.And he needed a shave. Did he dare try using a razor? A quick trim with the scissors? No. Holding an edged object close to the arteries of the neck could be just about the stupidest thing he could do right now.He walked along the corridors of the fallen ship, sticks clicking on the ancient deck plate, drinking straw-bag telekinetically held up to his cracked cold lips.It was always cold around Shaky Jake, frost formed in his boot prints and chill radiated off his skin.The planet once named by the Imperial Navy Stella-Cartography Institute as Pyros III had been home to a human population for nearly three and a half millennia if only by accident. The planet had an atmosphere that was utterly dead and stale. A temperature range that was habitable, if barley. An intensity of gravity that was one point one Gs, well within tolerance. And not a drop of water. It was not hell, but it was the next best thing. On all star-charts now it was named as Purgatory, where people earned their place in heaven. But to most who paid it more than a moments notice it was just Home. And although the world was neither caring nor loving to its people in the closing days of the forty-first millennia it was the next best thing.
>>34091838>keeping an eye on him to make sure he doesn't do anything unscrupulousYou're friends with a rogue trader. You knew that going in. What did you expect?
>>34093047Hmm, that's interesting.Perhaps after their original forge world was obliterated the Mechanicus doesn't believe they are capable of doing their job properly and refuses to build another proper facility to supply them? And continually snubs their attempts to get proper supplies because they think they abandoned their priests to die?
>>34093246Not all rogue traders are backstabbing dicks.There's at least one in the Rogue Trader core rulebook who's considered to be a very upright citizen, goes out of his way to help the Imperium out, transports Astartes, IG deployments and missionaries whenever he can and is so loved by his crew that his flagship is 'haunted' by the ghosts of his dead crew members who refuse to stop serving even in death.It's actually pretty heartwarming to read, people will show up for guard duty but someone is already standing watch and tells them to go take a break, damage control teams will show up out of nowhere even in blocked areas of the ship to effect repairs before vanishing, even once on the bridge a years dead bridge officer was seen once, manning the Auspex terminal and warning of imminent danger before vanishing as soon as someone looked away.
>>34093280>Do you see these numbers? The Marines, what was their name again? They lost four Manufactorums this year, cost us 14 Techpriests, 62 Adepts and even a Magos, er... Oh, yeah! Magos Ignatius himself, the foremost authority on... mh...ah, bionic enhancements and replacements including digital weapons.Knowledge is power and and these... fools squander it like we can grow it in cloning vats. They cost us a great deal already.Signal the Magnos Deimos' fleet and divert them to Sector Gamma 4b, Helios Hive, Artificier detachment. They will be more useful there and not to mention safer.Now, where did I put my damn Quill again? Let me have a look at that...
>>34093564Exactly this.And we do need a name for this poor guys... I'm no good at pseudo latin stuff. Any suggestions?
>>34093280Don't get *too* carried away with depriving them of tech support/industry. After all, there's only two options for Marines deprived for too long, since combat usually seeks them out, and if they're *not* fighting, then what good are they?Either they build things themselves, and learn to be self-sufficient to whatever degree they can, praying they don't fall into tech-heresy, or...They answer the voices that tell them they can provide, and fall to Chaos, which will supply them with whatever is needed, for a price.
>>34093626I'm thinking they have the essentials taken care of, bolters and ammo hand crafted or scavenged from the ruins, ancient armor carefully maintained, but more advanced things like tanks and aircraft are much harder to come by and used very sparingly.They're probably in a not *quite* so violent part of space, where they're not constantly under siege, though they do battle with Ork forces on a semi regular basis, but they're not this constantly attacking interstellar superforce like the big name chapters are.They just have their little corner of space they're trying to protect, and are trying to make do with what they have.
>>34093626Well, if you guys remember the 4th edition Chapter Traits, I'd go with something like 'Flesh over Steel'.Limit the number of Termie suits, Land Raiders, Speeders and Bikes.Basically make the fancy stuff/expesive equipment hardly available.Other Chapter Masters might fight with a Thunderhammer and mastercraftes Plasmapistol, but these guys rarely get more extravagant than Bolter and Chainsword.Kind of a monkish poverty thing in terms of warfare. Which could be considered foolish pride and a fault, but others see it as shining example of faith.
>>34093169I like this. They are raising the tech levels of their worlds as quickly as they dare. Raise it quickly but not cause civil unrest as a result.The reason? They need someone to fix their stuff.Under the chapters influence its gone from a better type of bow to the first fire arms in 50 years and all the supporting technology that is needed to support this weapons technology. Shit like steel, alchemy, lead casting. Also they need to increase food production so they can sustain this growth without reducing the supply to the rest of the Imperium so better crop rotation, windmills, irrigation and such.Also at some point they are going to need a new fortress to replace the smoking hole in the ground that is their old one. They can't keep living in the cellars of castles forever. So they are going to have to teach people how to stonework better.In 500 years or there about they think their worlds will be making their first lasrifles. Provided works don't turn up in the meantime, which is likely.But for now it's all patchwork and salvage.
>>34093767>>34093786I'd also recommend that they be good scavengers, by necessity. You could set up an interesting dynamic between honor (scavengers are to be looked down upon), and getting the job done (wow, it's a lot easier to kill daemons with these sanctified bolter rounds we dug out of a ruined chapel. We are at least serving the Emperor better than we would otherwise be, I suppose)
>>34093974Or scavenging renegade Marine power armor and bolters- which leads to all sorts of problems if some of that "reconsecrated" wargear's a lot more tainted than the techmarines thought.
>>34093767The Crimson Vigiliators
>>34094014>if some of that "reconsecrated" wargear's a lot more tainted than the techmarines thought.Everytime somebody says something like that I have to think about Marneus' Gauntlets. Fluff says nobody knows what the inside of them looks like, because nobody could open them up.I like to imagine there being a tiny little demon that whispers into Calgars ear:>Punch it. Hard. You know you want to SMASH IT!>CRUMBLE THIS FUCKERS FACE! DO IT!
>>34093974Would they take from the dead of other chapters?Let's say the come to the aid of a bunch of Storm Giants who are getting orked to death. They kill the works but aren't in time to save the Storm Giants.Only they know that they are here and they desperately need the power armour parts. What do?Also I can see them using a lot of Guard issue vehicles. Much repaired chimeras, valkyries and the like.
>>34094113>Only they know that they are here and they desperately need the power armour parts. What do?It's what Marines Malevolent would do.Not very honorable. Basically stealing actually. Normally you would expect them to collect the salvalgable geneseed of their Brethren if there is any left, pick up the bodies and wargear and return it to the Chapter they belong to.
>>34093866Yes, yes this is good.They have used their tech knowledge to improve crop yields with that stuff, windmills, advanced irrigation and so on, and trade the new surplus of crop to buy supplies. Of course you need a LOT of grain to buy a bolter, but you can grow more grain, while it takes one of your remaining tech priests and his apprentices a long time to make a new bolter, working in the forge by torchlight.Their weapons would probably have a lot of 'old school' look and feel things, like wooden grips and furniture rather than the usual polymer and metal.
>>34094113Probably, they would. Damn the machine-spirits, they'll get over it. We'll do the best for them that we can, but we need that gear, and they're dead, and we're not. Yet. And then all kinds of hilarity ensues if anyone ever notices that the serial numbers have been filed off, and traces the evidence. At the most extreme, they might even take gene-seed from other chapters, if they find viable corpses of the dead. These wouldn't be part of their tithe, so the Apothecaries would have to be VERY careful how they do things, and which marines send in the tithe, but it could be done. If you're a believer in nature versus nurture, it could lead to a very chimeric chapter, with many different abilities, mutations, flaws, and strengths. How this factors into their Chapter Cult and mythology is an interesting place to explore.
>>34094113Yes, though such a thing wouldn't happen very often, unless the chapter does something as explicitly "questionable" as following other chapters around like some kind of... Space Vultures.
>>34094160>>34094113>>34093974Hmm, but perhaps they would see it as the honorable thing to do? Not letting it just go to waste but putting every single resource they have into defending their little corner of the Imperium. Those bolter rounds they dug out of that ruined chapel are doing a lot more for the Imperium now than they would have done gathering dust in a ruined basement.As for a fortress, yeah they'd probably direct the construction of a nice big castle that would serve as their main base, surrounded by a town containing most of the tech they've been able to scavenge from the ruins of the forge world.I'm working on a general backstory now. Please continue with your stuff, you guys are awesome.
>>34094185>If you're a believer in nature versus nurture, it could lead to a very chimeric chapter, with many different abilities, mutations, flaws, and strengths. How this factors into their Chapter Cult and mythology is an interesting place to explore.Spirit Totems come to mind. Something like that.
>>34094185Stealing geneseed is pretty heretical- Chapter wars happened over less.
>>34094339It was one of the nails in the coffin for the Red Corsairs during the Badab war, for example
>>34094266I'd say that by and large, opinions differ within the chapter. Some will see it as returning resources to the Emperor's service, a very honorable, even mandatory thing to do, given how things are deteriorating across the Imperium.Some will see it as simple necessity, part of the daily grind, and nothing more. Some will see it as eroding their essence as holy warriors of the Imperium, and balk at feasting on the dead. And all these viewpoints will mix and mingle, along with their gear, and possibly even their gene-seed, and cause drama, tension, debate, and (hopefully), forge a strong internal identity of the chapter.
>>34094339>>34094365Needs must, sometimes.That's presumably one of the things the chapter would have to reconcile itself to. Is it worth it to keep the chapter alive? Do we go too far? Do we give up what makes us Marines? Do we strengthen the chapter, and thereby the Imperium?These are the questions, struggles, and moral issues that add depth to a chapter, so I'd argue that blithely saying "no that can't happen" is stupid.
>>34094370>and (hopefully), forge a strong internal identity of the chapter.Sounds more like the Sons of Horus during the time the Lodges happened. Where Brother fought beside Brother, but had to worry about the Brother standing behind him putting a bullet in his back.
>>34094266The chapter (yet unnamed) was created to lend defensive forces to a not heavily trafficked area of the Imperium, a set of low tech agri-worlds which only sometimes came into contact with the wide Imperium, usually by semi-regular trade ships.However it was deemed a useful sector and some plans to move a heavier presence into the area were underway, more colonies, uplifted tech levels, generally bringing it more into the Imperium proper. To this end, the creation of a new Space Marine chapter was planned to form a major cornerstone to the defense of the new settlements, with a major manufacturing center being set up to aid them, which would eventually develop into a forge world.However, early into the creation of the new chapter, disaster struck, a major Ork Waaagh swept through the area, centering on the forge world. The marines and forces of the mechanicum fought back hard, and in the end broke the back of the greenskins, so utterly destroying them that they never again posed such a threat.But the damage was done, the marines suffered heavy casualties and the forge world was left in ruins. All plans to establish a firmer presence in the sector were scrapped, but the marines refused to leave, seeing these people as their charge to defend.So, out on their own, without nearby support from the Imperial Guard, Navy, and disliked by the Mechanicus for the deaths of so many of their servants, this unlucky chapter uses whatever materiel it can get its hands on to defend their primitive corner of the Imperium.Luckily the Orks were so heavily beaten that they are no more than a shadow of their old selves, so while the marines are very weak compared to other chapters, the Orks too are very weak as well, so in the end they are fairly evenly matched.
>>34094418That, too, would be an interesting story. No flawless warriors, these, but rather individuals with heavy burdens to bear, and decisions to make.
>>34094406>>34094370I like, really I do.Returning materiel to the service of the Imperium would be a big thing with them, every life, bolter round, armor plate, everything must do its duty.As for gene seeds, I think that if they could return them to their chapter then they would do so, but if they can't then they would use them.If say an entire squad were wiped out and there was no way to return the harvested organs to their own chapter, they would take them and use them on their own aspirants. A chapter that sees the merit in refurbishing a half broken bolter through time and attention would balk at letting a space marine's progenoid rot uselessly when it could better the Imperium by creating a new marine, who would lead to more marines, and so on.So return it if you can, but if you can't don't let it go to waste.
>>34094445I remember the words of Ben 'Don't Fuck with The' Sisko of DS9."It's easy to be a saint in paradise"Similarly, it's easy to look down on scavengers when you have entire functioning forge worlds supplying you with gear, and can snap your fingers to call upon legions of Imperial Guard and whole battlefleets to come to your aid.
>>34094424I can see the people of these low tech agri-worlds worshipping this chapter as their "saviours" in a similar fashion to pic related, not knowing that they are small fry compared to the Imperium at large.
>>34094185I'd draw the line at gene-seed theft. Possibly they would hold on to it until theycan think of a way to get it back to the correct owners without being implicated.Possibly after another battle alongside that chapter their apothecaries help recover the gene-seed of the other chapters dead and slip it in unnoticed.For all that they are scavengers they are loyal.
>>34094424The chapter has done all they can to improve the situation, using their knowledge to steadily advance the tech level of the local society with their knowledge of chemistry, architecture, and metallurgy. The average quality of life has improved greatly since their arrival. Though the marines themselves are still in a tough position.Recruitment became an issue, as it was hard to bring compatible recruits to the homeworld to train and convert them, as such small units of marines were stationed on every major world under their care, testing the populace and performing initial training and organ implants, before passage could be booked on a passing merchant ship to bring them to the fortress on the central planet.Okay, we need a name for the rogue trader who helps them.
>>34094585Brendan.Because St Brendan the Navigator.Monastic fits these marines as a theme. They would be humble and modest.
>>34094584In their eyes it's the difference between theft and salvage.If they can give the gene seeds back, they do, but if there is no feasible way to give them back to their chapter, then they don't let them just go to waste.The names of those marines who's gene seeds are used in this fashion are taken down in the histories of the chapter's own marines, and their deeds and actions are honored and remembered as if they have always been one of them. Should the chapter from which those marines came from ever be encountered, every courtesy and assistance will be rendered to them.One of the few occasions these marines will ever leave their own sector of space is when one such 'donor chapter' calls for aid, as they see it as a high honor to pay off the debt they feel they are owed.
>>34094674>>34094585Rogue Trader Brendan Mackyntire it is then.Also I really want a name for these guys, preferably something not too flashy. As this anon said, they are very humble at least for space marines.
What about the most abused McGuffin available? Trapped in a Warp storm?Would explain stuff alot better.A 20th founding or such a number. Chapter does something herpaderp, and the entire chapter (fleet based I would assume) is sent on a crusade to liberate such and such a sector and shit. When they win, they get to pick a world to sit thier butts down in. They finish cleansing the sector, find a long long Forgeworld that remained loyal, but is the smallest forgeworld on record, in terms of production.They report back to Terra, things are Roses, and suddenly,Every sector around them is warped into shitfuck.200 or 1000 years or however long later, presumed dead, the imperial machine forgets them, fallen redeemed chapter lost in the far flung sector of bumfuck.Wap storm clears, and holy shit, thier sector was the eye of the storm. They have been fightan xenos and chaos all up in this mother fucker, with no imperial assistance but themselves and any loyal worlds left alive.1)Out in bumfuck far away land2)lost for years means no one has the money, or time to suddenly resupply a buncha marines3)never have any renegade plot holes
>>34094740>after a few centuries they start running low on bolter rounds>have to ration them and use low-tech swords forged for them by their agri worlds to kill regular daemonsProbably a bit of a stretch, but god that would be metal.
>>34094740Some minor warp storms would be alright. Though we do have a pretty decent chunk of backstory worked out already.Maybe something that's just enough to disrupt shipping for a while? So right after the fall of the forge world they're cut off for a bit, and when they come back the mechanicum only sees them as 'those butterfingered idiots who got a bunch of our people killed and then dropped off the map'.And as for a name, how does Reclamators, or Reclaimers sound? They were meant to move into a very primitive area and bring it into the wider Imperium so that name sounds fitting.
>>34094818That is a bit of a stretch yes... though I did just get a very cool image of a space marine wielding a giant smoothbore muzzle loading cannon.
>>34094697I fucking love this.Given that, after a few astartes generations, there would be bloodlines of Vulkanites, Dornians and all the others in mismatched armour it could be a very odd looking chapter.Their beliefs should reflect that. They would follow the teachings of all the primarchs equally rather than just Guilliman.Maybe it could start faction forming within the chapter.Companies would have to be rather more fluid as squads are swapped between each to prevent any one faction taking over a company.How many of these marines are there? It seems they have had the suit kicked out of them but are building back up. 500 spread across 8 companies trying to do the work of 10 in patch of space that really needs more protection than just one chapter can offer.
>>34094959Remember, is IS still pretty far beyond the bounds of Imperial conduct to use gene-seed from other chapters, no matter how noble the use they're put to. This would be like the Dark Angels, a INTENSELY well guarded secret, told to no one. Even the marines using other chapter's gene-seed wouldn't be told of their origins.(of course, that makes it all the more explosive when/if they do find out, heheheh)
>>34094840Names already taken.
>>34094840Things began looking up for the Reclaimers however when their world was visited by the rogue trader Brendan Mackyntire. Things were beginning to become dire for the chapter, with their remaining tech priests unable to maintain the suits of armor they had left, or manufacture weapons to arm them.In an interesting situation, the chapter had more marines than it had gear to equip them. Many of their number had perished fighting the Orks and while their gene seeds were usually saved, their heavy gear often had to be left on the battlefield. So while new aspirants were inducted, it was often not possible to arm them with anything more advanced than medieval plate armor and refurbished bolters. However Mackyntire brought glad news, he had discovered a Heresy era supply ship meant to supply the space marine Legions, lost in a warp storm for centuries and now inhabited by vile xenos, namely genestealers.In the words of Brendan Mackyntire "This ship was bound to supply the Astartes with arms and armour for their service to the Imperium, in my eye that gear is yours by right. You may have it, if you can assist me in claiming the vessel. For this I ask only your goodwill and any materiel aboard that you have no need for."The operation to clear the ship was dangerous and deadly, but in the end the wrecked vessel was reclaimed and its stock of ancient bolters and Mk V armor was reclaimed and refurbished for use. The rogue trader crew stripped the carcass of the ship of everything useful and turned a tidy profit.Since then the Reclaimers have maintained a close relationship with House Mackyntire, Brendan himself piloting his ship past their homeworld fairly regularly to trade Imperial Navy surplus bolters and ammo for massive supplies of foodstuffs.
>>34095068Son of a bitch. That was a really good one.Damn, we need a different name then.
>>34095147I should have known, Reclaimers are the ones who worked with Ciaphas Cain, I love those books, no wonder it popped into my head.Hmm, maybe just change it to Reclamators then, unless someone has a better suggestion?
lets play up their humbleness with the name lets say emperors servants
>>34091720Mark 4 and 5 suits are no longer produced and are relics in their own right - fit for prestigious veterans and chapter reliquaries. A broke-ass chapter is going to have Mk. 7's.
>>34095239Hmm... I sort of like it, at least how humble it is.Personally I consider their name humble if they don't go for the obviously 'awesome' names and don't use words like doom, ultra, thunder, fire, death, nightmare, power, or any other 'we want to sound kickass' words.
>>34095239This.>>34095279The original mk 5s were a stopgap measure towards the end of the Crusade era. They were designed to be compatible with other suit parts and be easy to fix. They were meant to keep the Legions going until mk6 was finished.The suits the Emperor's Servants use are not 5s as such. They just look like it because of how patched together they are.
>>34095408They are actual Mk V armor sets from the Heresy era, preserved on a derelict supply ship that was recently recovered. Then again, Mk V armor was kinda the worst armor of the era, cobbled together armor sets that were used because they worked and nothing better was at hand.But they do look like the Forge World models, and the pics you see of the old Heresy armors.
>>34095310They didn't start life as a busted trainwreck, why would they have been retroactively named for such, so to speak?Give them a regular Marine chapter name, I'd say, not one that's overly "meaningful" like so many other custom chapters.
>>34095524A tad busy for a little bit, I'll write more backstory and details about them in a little bit. Paperwork is a bitch.
>>34095555Well they were initially meant to 'reclaim' a sector for the wider Imperium. the worlds they were sent to were basically loyal, but had no real concept of the Imperium at large other than the sky people who came and took a portion of grain and sometimes paid with medicine or precious metals.The chapter was created as part of a, now abandoned, plan to raise the tech level of the region and more heavily colonize the area as part of the proper Imperium, but when the forge world fell and the chapter got the snot beaten out of them the whole plan was scrapped, but the marines refused to leave the people undefended.
I'd imagine this chapter as either survivalist, forsaking honor and glory for basic needs, almost to a heretical level, or extremely modest and sacrificial beyond other chapters, feeling that they are indebted to the imperium for giving them what help they could.
>>34095310well the way I see it is this chapter has been though the pits and back and while it is clawing it's way back it sits on the verge of crumbling. The only reason it has survived is to many because of it's endless service to the Emperor and to the Imperium. Even if their service is protecting a small patch of land. this chapter isn't zealous perhaps as an unintentional counter measure to the whisperings of chaos perhaps to allow the marines to keep a level head towards the dirt farmers seeing them as servants equal in the eyes of the emperor but instead it is humble adaptive and persistent if they set towards a task they will make sure it is done with nothing wasted
>>34094818could they simply have a higher than average number of sanctified weapons?they are more or less just blessed weapons by the Ecclesiarchy.
>>34094818They rely on their faith to power their blades. Blacksmiths consider it their highest honor to craft a sword for the chapter. Each takes imense time and effort, and is perfectly crafted. Yet they are simple and unornimented. Most of the work goes into forging using cobbled together blast furnaces to make ludicrously high grade steel. Still, it is the chapters faith that empowers their weapons. An inquisitor might see similarities to deamon weapons, but the chapter just sees them as instruments of the emperors will. They cut through foes about as well as chainswords. Just use power weapons, and counts as chainswords.
>>34095239Servant doesn't work in the aspect of them retaining this sector. they need something more unique for their deedsthey held onto this place, they earned it.They are the Emperor's holy Retainers
>>34095710Hmm...Alright, color me convinced. The Emperor's Servants it is I guess, since that seems to be catching on.And I like that mentality. We are all servants of the Imperium, from the lowliest serf to the mot brave marine, and in the end neither is intrinsically more worthy than the other.I can see the marines walking the cobblestone streets, visiting taverns lit by firelight, and generally just being humble warriors. Yes they are looked upon with awe by many, but at the same time they're just... there. Not the god-warriors in the ancient fortress, but the great soldiers who walk among us.The situation they're in would mean they would often work closely with the regular humans, and as such would have very close ties with them, augmented marines often living with their own families for instance, partly because there just isn't a massive facility to house them all.So the whole chapter would have a heavily 'cottage industry' feel to it, and be another part of daily life for the people living here.
>>34095833What's the opposite of an Iconoclast, someone who breaks relics and shit?Is there such a word for someone who builds things up?
>>34095833Hmm...Retainers are also good... they're knightly, but also humble servants... Ack so many good choices!
>>34095857a believer or adherent?These guys probably would have some wicked good techmarines too.
>>34095839What if these marines actually live among the humans to a literal level. They wouldn't have the resources to build a monestary or keep, so maybe they actually live in the village with the humans, with regular jobs and friends?
>>34095972Yeah, that's what I'm going for.They have a central castle on each planet that acts as their primary base, but in general the marines just live with their families and have fairly normal lives when they're not called to duty.Kinda like National Guard, they have civilian jobs and lives, and then on proscribed dates, like once a week or something, go to the main castle to train and are briefed on the situation, or when the alert comes they rush to the fortress, grab their gear, armor up and head out on deployment.But when they're not doing marine things they live among the normal humans and carry on their lives.
>>34095839Well... they are still upwards of 1000 men stuck on a single planet...What if their chapter is massively over sized... but it is all in scouts. Shotguns are easy to make, sniper rifles a bit harder, and every man has a sword. Because the scouts aren't full astartes, the chapter can have as many as they can.
>>34096037this would also mean that they have a respect and drive to protect imperial citizens that rivals the salamanders
>>34096099Well they have power armor, from the rogue trader, like I said, so they have enough armor to outfit their tactical marines with power suits. It's just they have old as hell armor that wasn't the best when it was brand new.
>>34096136Rivals or surpasses I'd say.All that time amongst normal humans would give them a very 'man of the people' feel I think. They'd see imperial citizens not as some abstract thing to be protected out of moral duty, but the people they could call friends, family, lovers even. They live among normal humans and perhaps more than most chapter see themselves as human.They're just soldiers, not gods, not angels, just people with a job to do and the tools to do it, at the end of the day no different than a factory worker or farmer or guardsman.
>>34096186What do they think of the other chapters? I'd imagine that they would encounter them through places like the Deathwatch.
>>34095857The antonym of Iconoclast is Conservative.Emperor's Conservators?Those who reclaim, preserve, and build something better upon what was there before. The humble architects of a better tomorrow, who take the dregs that have been given to them, and through tireless effort and dedication have built something noble out of the shattered pieces they were left with.I think we have a winner.
>>34096315Yeah, I can dig it. Conservators seems good.
>become a Tactical Marine>recieve power armour handed down through generations >visit stone monastery lit by candlelight >holy water spread upon your bolter by monks>entire city turns out to herald you as a saviour of their world>laurel wreathes and petals thrown around you>peasant qt's mirin everywhere
>>34096366I like it.Though perhaps less 'savior of the world' and more 'knight of the realm'. They're not gods, they're the elite warriors who defend the good folk from evil but still live among us everyday.I imagine there's be slightly less superstition and awe about the marines when one of them runs your favorite pub whenever he's not kicking ass in power armor.
>>34096366Kinda like Mechs in battletech, where the suits are all prized relics, regardless of how functional or good looking they are. But damn it all, it's YOUR goddamned armor, and it is your fucking PRIDE. The history of each piece of armor or weapon or vehicle would be nearly as important as the history of the chapter itself. Perhaps one of the requirements of every chapter serf is to be the living record of such history for a single item. Your mission in life is to bear its history proudly, always, to ensure it is the best it can be, and honor it at all times. When old gear is lost, the chapter mourns, no more so than the serf in charge of it. When new gear is recovered, the chapter celebrates. and the serfs compete to be responsible for the items, the rarer and more important, the higher their prestige becomes by association.
>>34096536edit: *none* more so.
>>34092663MK II was slow to build, and bulky and relatively underpowered compared to MK IV.
>>34096596Hell if they didn't look cool though.
More new content!Thankfully for the Conservators, once the encroaching Waaagh had been crushed at so great a cost, their sector of space was a fairly peaceful one without any major threats. Of course marauding greenskins were always a threat, and there has been some trouble with a Tyrranid splinter fleet, and maybe a chaos warband now and then, but this is overall one of the less dangerous sectors out there.Of course the problem with that is that no major forces are ever sent their way. After all, most people just know that there's a space marine chapter there, and honestly how much help could they really need? The massive bureaucratic labyrinth of the administratum often only knows that they are a marine chapter of nominal size, and usually has no idea they need support or supplies.As such, the Conservators are left mostly on their own, fighting bravely against the forces of the various enemies which threaten their primitive but thriving worlds. They have little help, but so far haven't needed much, though it is a worrying and sobering thought that the chapter master must live with, knowing that should more powerful forces turn their eyes to his territory, they would likely fold under the onslaught.
>>34096536>yfw space marine uncle >nieces and nephews ask for a bed time story >regail them with tales of bolter driving hot death inot orkish hordes>how your armour saved not only your life but of your predecessors >tell such tales until they are quietly asleep >go out into house you built for family>take your sword and lovingly polish it running the cloth over battle scars> hello old friend
>>34096744Scav Runs.One regular mission that the Conservators undertake are 'Reclamation Operations' usually referred to as scav runs. These missions send a large force, often a company sized detachment of marines to act as escorts and guards for artisans and tech priests back to the benighted, ruined forge world of Chiron IV. Chiron was utterly devastated by the ork Waagh which left the Conservators in their current state, and has been left to rust in its ruined form ever since.Most of the population has been evacuated, but sometimes the scav runs still find people eking out an existence in the ruined manufactorums. These people are of course rescued at once. A scav run usually is centered around a carefully chosen factory complex, workers and tech priests working around the clock to strop production lines for parts or raid armories for still functioning weapons and ammunition.These runs are often highly dangerous, as the Orks still survive on the planet's surface, growing through fungal spores to never be truly gone. While orks elsewhere in the sector are of the primitive variety, with axes and cannon at best, these orks have been looking the factories and have all the guns and armor of their spacefaring kin.It is a constant fear throughout the sector that the orks here will build up enough to once again terrorize the other planets in the area, constant culling missions are sent in to dispatch any identified concentration, but everyone knows that in a war of attrition the orks will eventually win.
>>34096869>take your sword and lovingly polish it
>>34096895Chiron IV presents a very complex problem for the Conservators.On the one hand, raiding the ruined world is a large source of the arms and ammunition that they need to not only fight, but to expand. The planet is not only a source of functioning bolters, power armor parts and ammo, but also of manufacturing machines, rare raw materials, and lasguns to equip a proper PDF force with something that has a chance of felling an ork with more than laughter.At the same time it is also infested to some degree, not entirely known, by the descendants of the orks who initially devastated it, still living in the deeply dug manufactorums on the planet, building their scrap metal war machines. Or even, as many fear, new starships with which to spread terror anew.While many planets under the Conservators' protection have ork problems, the orks there are armed with little more advanced than stone axes and crude armor even by ork standards, and are easily dealt with by the Conservators themselves, or increasingly common, the las-weapon equipped PDF which is slowly being formed as the energy weapons are trickling into the sector.Of course the Conservators can't just bombard the planet to wipe out the orks, doing so would leave them without a large source of their supplies. While it is possible, if expensive, to import bolters and ammo for them, good luck finding a trader who can bring you fully intact Predator tanks, or Rhino transports.So Chiron IV remains the biggest threat, and the biggest resource, within the area of space directly controlled by the Conservators.(Their territory needs a name.)
>>34097303Also, do you guys think this is worthy of going on 1d4chan?As for chapter colors, I'm thinking something subtle, fitting with their humble feeling.Perhaps a dull, earthy brown? Their armor would be simple and utilitarian, a holdover from the days when they truly had nothing to work with, but now seen as a symbol of their humble service. They don't need shining medals or flowing capes to show who they are, they are just people, doing their jobs, like everybody else. They don't need massive monuments or shining relics welded onto their armor, they're just happy to be fondly remembered.
>>34097435 I liked >>34096536 idea as their equipment being the one spot of pride they have perhaps scrawled within the armour are names and deeds of past owners when a marine receives his armour he simply adds his name and when it is passed on it is up to the next marine to discover his deeds
>>34096936They're warrior monks with holy relics from ancient eras. If they *didn't* love their gear, there'd be something wrong with them.
>>34097597Yes, that would be good. Each piece of gear has a list of users, a history attributed to it. Not necessarily blazoned on the item itself, but well known by each user. You are expected to know the history of your gun, your armor, your blade, the past deeds of note, the warriors who carried it into battle, the notable battles it was involved in.That's good, I like it. They'd do the same for items scavenged from other chapters, knowing the story behind it as much as they could. It's like an extension of their gene seed... um... 'reclamation' of honoring the 'donor' as if they had always been a battle brother to each of them.
The only explanation I could think of without the lack of supplies explanation would be if the chapters cult revolved around asceticism and self sufficiency. Kind of like monks in the middle ages, except with bolters and power armor.
>>34097691I don't think you understood the joke.
>>34097739No, I pretty well did. I'm equally certain there's hidden love sonnets for your gear tucked away inside the codex, for only the best marines to pick up on.
Also I'm trying to make a page on 1d4chan for these guys, but I've never made a wiki page before, only edited a long time ago.Anyone care to help me out in figuring out how to make an entry?
>>34097797>hidden love sonnets for your gear tucked away inside the codexAre you calling Ultramarines gay?
>>34097871It's not gay if it's the love between a man and his bolter. That's love that only the blessed few ever experience, and it is beyond mortal conceptualization.
>>34097799Anybody? I really don't know how to work a wiki.I'll contribute more as soon as I think of it and get this page started off. I'd really like some help here.
>>34098158Oh... Nevermind, that was easy. I'm working on getting a basic page setup now then you guys can add to it if you want to while I create some new content as best I can.Also thanks for all the great ideas people, really fleshed this out in ways I love but never thought of.
>>34092190You mean the Marines Malevolent? They wear their armour until it no longer functions: The Chapter Master has a gauntlet that no longer works, so he just uses it to fucking bash people.They're so hard-up for resources they usually raid other Astartes tithe ships for war material.
>>34098225Okay, the page has been created.http://1d4chan.org/wiki/ConservatorsOf course it's just a blurb right now, so please feel free to add to it, I really could use the help. I'd like to really flesh this chapter out, might even do some writefagging for it if I have time or feel sufficiently inspired.>>34098278We're kinda past them right now, but that's an interesting bit of info. The Conservators would probably -hate- the MM for doing that, they may have a reputation as scavengers, but outright stealing from your Astartes brothers would be a massive outrage in their eyes, maybe even more than normal.
Relations with House MackyntireA peculiar tradition amongst the Conservators is the honoring of a non-member as if they had been one of their own battle brothers. Stemming from their ramshackle organization and tendency to acquire materiel and even gene seeds from other chapters, it is considered only right that these individuals be honored for the service that they have done to the chapter. Sometimes an ally or friend of great note can be thusly honored for their services to the Imperium or the chapter. Brendan Mackyntire is one such man.The Conservators were never equipped with the most advanced gear, even in the beginning. The most common power armor was the Mk VI Corvus armor, usually units taken from other chapters who had fazed the older suits out in favor of Mk VII suits. Even upon creation the Conservators were built from the cast offs of other chapters. The vast majority of these suits were lost in battle against the dreaded Ork hordes, and while a great number of progenoid glands were recovered, the marine's armor was often utterly destroyed, or simply impossible to evacuate from the battlefield before the Conservators had to retreat.Once the Waaagh had been defeated and rebuilding began, the chapter quickly faced the issue that they would not have enough functioning armor suits to equip the next generation of marines. A number of Corvus suits were rebuilt from recovered bits of destroyed units, but no new suits were seen as forthcoming, given the rage of the Mechanicus over the loss of Chiron IV.Many of then new generation of marines were clad in locally made plate armor, surely made of the finest steel available, but little more than metal plates, and often armed with primitive steel swords and perhaps a bolt pistol. While there was no need for conflict beyond mild policing actions in the years following the Waaagh, this was a matter of grave concern.Into this scene came Brendan Mackyntire.
>>34098826House Mackyntire was one of the more humble rogue trader houses, if such a word could be applied to them. Their fleets were mostly simple trade ships rather than massive war vessels, and they made a solid, respectable profit transporting bulk cargo. Seeking to expand the family business, Brendan brought his ships into the territory of the Conservators to seek new markets. He became aware of the lack of material facing the chapter, and turned a tidy profit trading a number of naval-pattern bolters and a supply of ammo to the hard struck chapter.Some years later, he returned with news that would save the chapter, and perhaps the sector they watched over. He had discovered a supply ship left over from the Horus Heresy, adrift but salvageable, though infested with dangerous xeno creatures. A bargain was struck, the Conservators would clear the ship of xeno presence and salvage all Astartes arms and armor, while Mackyntire would take everything they couldn't use.While a number of marines fell in the mission, it was ultimately a success and a large stock of Mk V 'Heresy' power armor suits, Umbra and Phobos pattern bolters, and various other small arms and supplies. While the ammunition had gone defunct with age, the armor and guns was in good condition given its vacuum preservation, and was refurbished for field use.This began a long, mutually beneficial relationship with House Mackyntire which has lasted to this day.To partially pay for future deliveries of supplies, a squad of marines was placed aboard Brendan Mackyntire's ship to serve as his guard and heavy combatants in his endeavors. Their job was also to watch over him to ensure that he did not undertake unscrupulous practices to extort the chapter who so depended on his supplies, or steal supplies from other chapters to resell. However Brendan was an honorable man and soon it was found that no such watchful eye was needed.
>>34099035The position eventually morphed into one of distinction, and it became seen as an honor to serve aboard Mackyntire's ship. These marines acted as the 'face' of the chapter to the wider Imperium, making good relations and scouting for needed resources along the way, bringing back tales of glory and loot to feed the growing chapter. As the Conservators grew in number and strength, so too did the detachment serving alongside the rogue trader house, which has swelled to a full five squads serving aboard various ships, searching for allies, trading partners, and supply caches to be recovered for the chapter.This partnership with house Mackyntire has long outlived Brendan himself, who died of old age some time ago. His name and deeds have been added to the remembrances of the chapter, who honor him as one of their own to this day.
Anybody have any ideas for things to explore?Character ideas?Writing requests?I might get to writing a story about them if anyone is interested/has an idea. Otherwise I'll just bump the thread for a bit and work on the wiki article.
>>34099348well characters wise we will need at the very least three different angles or scenes to show the chapter in full lighta domestic scene with a marine maybe like the bit above a brothers coronation into a full battle brother similiar to No.34094559a scene showing either a scav run or orc purgethe character that needs to be established the most at this moment might be the chapter master
>>34099647Right, sounds good. I'm working on the wiki article now, getting the basics of the history down.Any suggestions for what the Chapter Master could be like? Probably a kingly figure of some sort, part of some ruling council on their capital world.
>>34099725I'm calling their territory the Asharn Belt.We need a name for their homeworld.
>>34091720> sic cutom chapter bro
>>34099786Belt seems like, well, a single asteroid belt or something. Even a busted ass SM chapter usually extends their influence beyond that. The Asharn MarchThe Asharn DriftThe Asharn TraverseThe Asharn WildsThe Asharn ColoniesThe Asharn Holdfor your consideration
>>34099842March is good.'Belt' implies agriculture to me so I thought it was appropriate, but March is better in my eyes.It's good but doesn't imply it's too large, it's a decent sized territory but it's not some sprawling sector.
>>34099818Surprised it took someone this long to catch my typo.
Okay, major addition to the page.Someone with more experience really should edit it up to look pretty, hotlink menu and all that stuff, I don't know how to do any of that, total rookie at wiki here.
>>34100463one thing you could do is use the bolter and chainsword's marine painter, come up with some possible color schemes.if you have any image making skills, come up with pauldron logos and heraldry and shit. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/smp.phpworks best in IE, and maybe chrome.
>>34100793Thanks. I'm no artist but I'll check it out.Have any ideas for their emblem? For color scheme I was thinking earth-tones, rich browns perhaps, subtle and humble, but also warm and open, it seems to fit I guess. Though a more knightly color scheme could work too.
>>34100858Browns, reds, yellows, clay colors. Quartered paint schemes always speak to me of being knightly, and the image is a way I found to simulate a "sash" type scheme, which is also somewhat knightly.
>>34100908Not really what I was thinking, but I'll get to it. I appreciate the help though but I have something in mind that I'll put up eventually.
>>34100971How does Dakarai sound for the name of their primary planet?
>>34101013the "arai" part sounds off when you say it out loud, kinda Eldar in the way it forces a lilting cadence.Dakari is better, but if you're basing it directly of Dakar, and dont want to get quite that close to the IRL name, then maybe go with Dekari or Dekara.
>>34101108Dekara it is then.Thanks, nice to have some help with this, and with someone interested and all, even this late.
>>34101179so where's the page link at?
>>34101179Well, I'm headed to bed soon, but I saw the thread earlier and thought i'd pop back in before i went to sleep.
>>34093365Now that is cool.
>>34101221What people forget about 40k is that while it IS absolutely grimdark and harsh and all that jazz, it's also a BIG setting, and nice things do happen sometimes just by sheer chance. Even in a galaxy at war, some planets have never had to fire a shot in anger, or send their people off to fight on distant worlds.
>>34101209http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Conservators>>34101213Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.
>>34101331Feel free to edit the page if you like, or tell me what you think. I'll be adding more to it soon.
Updated, new section detailing their relations with the wider Imperium, or at least their next door neighbors.
>>34101935added a standard text box... though, that begs a few questions. What was their parent chapter?Who was their primarch? What are their actual numbers?I would think, in order:Salamanders.Vulkan. 1000, 1500 including scouts.
>>34101997Thanks, didn't know how to add that.Hmm, Salamanders seems a bit off though, they started out under equipped so they probably wouldn't be the successor of the chapter who's obsessed with having the absolute best war machines in existence.Numbers seem alright, though since they got actual power armor they no longer have the huge number of 'extra' marines without proper armor, so I don't think a massive scout force would be in place anymore.I also changed the battlecry to "Stand Fast!" I like that "We Remember" but I think it's not quite martial enough to be a battlecry, it's more suited to a chapter motto, which I will use it as, or perhaps something similar or expanded on it.
>>34101997being salamanders successors is leaning a bit heavily on the desert world. their tech-ness is also a bit of a copout, because it's an easy workaround to the theme of being genuinely poorly equipped.this chapter also will definitely not be at full strength, if anything in this thread is to be believed.
>>34102134Yeah, though they are on a temperate world, not a desert. Hmm, not really sure though. I don't know all the chapters by heart, should be one who's very steadfast, cares about the average joe, and can be flexible in the face of severe problems. Certainly not a codex thumper.Might just say that they're the successor of one of the chapters we've never heard about from a lost primarch. Being a successor to a lesser chapter would help explain why they're so badly equipped, I doubt one of the big names would let one of their 'children' run off with barely anything to work with.
>>34102134Lost is still a bit of a cop out... perhapce ultras? Ultras keep spawning groups everywere. Or Fists? They are stubbornly building up.
>>34102327Also, some write fagotry“See boys, the thing is we barely have enough armor for full brothers.” The scout squad kept marching in something approaching silence, though their armor didn't help. “The supply Mackentire found is just enough along with what we have reclaimed over the years. Though funny thing about standard scout ware” The group slowed to ford a small river. “Stuff is just not as sturdy in the long term, breaks down you know. Too much organic material right? Reason we're in plate.” The Armour clanked softly with each step, deadened a little by the cloth strategically placed between layers. “Black smiths can make some damn good steel here, and with an ablative finish it is just as good. Loud as hell though.” The squad had reached their position. They took a minute to check their arms, praying that they would at least get a little surprise this time. Bows were strung, arrows checked, blades made free in their sheaths. “Ready boys, their supposed to be here any minute... Now.”Into the small clearing, across a gentle brook, the first of the boyz stepped out of the forest. A big beast, though only carrying a wooden club. An arrow took it in the neck, before going off and removing the whole head. With a cry of 'Waggghhh!' orcs started pouring into the clearing, making towards the brook. More fell to the explosive arrows, but there was always others. Finally bows fell, and swords were drawn. Battle was joined on the far side of the water from the orcs, forcing them onto uncomfortable footing. Still, numbers let them keep pressing. The Reclimators blades hued through their foes. Their armor was enough to fend off the majority of blows, but still a brother fell to a particularly blow to the head. The brothers began to gather the orc corpses to burn them. “Still, one thing standard scout armor lacks that we get.” The sargent said as he shook the groaning fallen scout awake. “Helmets.”
>>34102405Hah! Nice, explosive arrows, hadn't thought of that.Marines would probably be using steel bows (which were an actual thing in the olden days) with insane draw strength, I like it. Though even so there would be enough bolters to equip the scouts and enough armor for a solid marine force.Now that they have enough power armor to actually field a decent force, they're slowly getting more suits from what they're scavenging on the forge world, or a suit or two from the fallen of other chapters when they can't reasonably return the wargear.A nice little bit, I'm flattered to know you wanted to write something for my idea! I'll try to add something when I'm not editing wiki.
>>34102494When you have to dig bolter shells out of a ruin infested with orcs, you are a lot more careful with your ammunition. Figure scouts are the last ones armed, and the plate has become traditional from the early years.
>>34092190>>34092190twist: They aren't an actual official chapter. They're glorified farmers and crazies that weren't considered fit for duty so they act unofficially.
>>34102673Yeah, sounds good. I really like the explosive arrow idea, powerful and follows the basic concept of a bolter, while being atmospheric and even useful in that you don't give away your position when you shoot with it.And against unarmored orks its really all you need when you have the accuracy of a Space Marine.
Man, I wish I could contribute something to this, this is easily my favorite /tg/ chapter I've seen.
Cool chapter. I remember back in 4th edition there was a system where you could create your own chapter and one of the disadvantages you could take was limited access to armor and vehicles. Havent played in a long time so im guessing all of that is gone now.
Made another update to the page, almost done with backstory, soon will be moving onto detailing chapter beliefs and customs, and then maybe some writefagging.>>34102895Why thank you! I'm flattered. Why don't you give the wiki article a look over and tell me what you think, if you maybe have any ideas or perhaps something I missed.I have had this idea for a while now. They're not the super awesome chapter who has these massive deeds of legend or anything. They're a comparatively weak chapter dealing with comparatively small threats in a fairly unimportant corner of the Imperium, no glorious crusades or massive operations to their name, but beloved by their people and respected by their neighbors.
>>34102972I've never actually played the tabletop, too rich for my blood and I'd never use it often enough to justify the time and cash. But I really enjoy the setting, played the hell out of Dawn of War and read some of the novels.
>>34102973The best thought I can think of, is if a set of power armor is rescued from the fallen of another chapter, to perhaps retain a pauldron in the colors of that chapter out of respect for them.
>>34102988Use VASSAL 40k...Been meaning to try and set up a league for it...
>>34103030Hmm, it's a nice sentiment but it would create kinda a big clash of looks I think. Still of course keep the bit about honoring the history of the armor and its wearer.They would basically be counted as honorary Conservators, and their tales and stories remembered and celebrated to honor the memory of someone who has, in a way, let their legacy become part of the chapter.
Oh... they have few/no bikes... but they can get scouts on horses. Normal marines in armor are way to big, but scouts just come out as beefy knights.
>>34103075Never heard of it.
>>34103179Table top emulator with online play options. The 40K package offer the option to play 40K online for nothing fairly well. As long as you pirate the core rule book/codexes.
>>34103223Ah, cool. I'll look it up.
>>34103083Yeah, I suppose you're right, not to mention the rather awkward scenarios that would arise from, say, an Ultramarine meeting a group of Conservators and discovering one of them have a blue pauldron with gold trimming. I suppose one could cover it up with a bit of cloth, but that would raise it's own suspicion...
>>34103293Yeah, was going to mention that, would be awkward.Also the backstory is all done now, I'm going to take a break for a little bit and then add some sections about their main beliefs and unique practices. Also I'll add info on the important planets in the March.
>>34103500Alright, going to try to do some more now, also I've archived the thread on suptg for future enjoyment and reference.
>>34103573Adding Chapter Customs and stuff.
Added details about the lives of the marines, and their induction ceremony.
Bump.I think I'm done with the backstory and customs sections for now.
>>34099035>ammunition had gone defunct with ageIf the ammo was stored in a vacuum it shouldn't go bad.
>>34105094I would have thought it would have decayed or leaked or something.Also, what do you think of this for a color scheme?
>>34105235I like the bronze trim.
>>34105235>I would have thought it would have decayed or leaked or something.The main cause of ammo becoming unusable is due to moisture in the air. Although bolter rounds are much more advanced than modern ammunition, so I'm not sure if even that would affect it.
>>34091720Daily reminder that all power armour except mk8 was developed before or during the heresy and that any suits before mk6 would be revered as holy relics and really only held by first founding and primogenitor chapters.There was a guy making an 'historically accurate' Badab War army with older types of armour, ignoring the fact the Badab War took place in the 40k equivalent of last Tuesday with chapters who'd been founded many thousands of years after all those marks stopped being made.I think a poor chapter is a good idea though. Could use space wolves to represent veteran marines forced to wear carapace armour and rag tag squads with scrounged weapons.
>>34092190Penitent crusade, they've been banned from resupplying from any forge world.
>>34105235I like it, it's a bit plain, but it's not supposed to be flashy like other chapters. Glad to see this thread is still up.
>>34107811Yeah, I figure since they have a 'humble warrior' thing going for them, warm earth tones without anything dramatic would be a good idea. Part of their fluff is that a lack of ornamentation from when they were struggling went on to become traditional.>>34105725Hmm, alright. I just thought that even in a vacuum environment there would still be some kind of chemical decay over countless centuries.
Motto: Adapt and Overcome!
I'm a tad bit worn out after all the writing I did last night so I'm not sure how much more I'll get done today.Still here of course to chat, answering questions often helps me think of things I hadn't otherwise thought of so ask away.
>>34108272The armory was flooded, the bolters were in sealed containers. The armor was also sealed up, but the ammo crates weren't water proof. All the shells got thoroughly soaked and rusted. Then shattered when the water evaporated, after the room was once again exposed to hard vacuum. Also, their psykers are going to be relied on a bit more heavily then normal. Needed to fill the role of heavy weapons in the main.
>>34109284Hmm, I hadn't thought of their psykers. I guess I forgot about their librarians, yeah they'd probably see more deployment than usual, and thankfully still have their original gear, or that taken from fallen brothers, to help them out. So at the very least they should be alright.Hmm, what about terminators though? I hadn't ever thought about them, they'd probably have some but not very many and even those with terminator honors would likely only rarely take such rare relics into battle.
>>34109313Might be intresting if they had lost all but 5 suits to the orcs, and the supply ship provided none. They have managed to rig something up using a *lot* of steel plate, and some small forcefield generators the rogue trader sold to them. They are a little more unwieldy then normal, given that it is just extra armor layered on top of a suit of power armor. Still, terminators are invaluable, and the armor at least gives them the high defense of one.
>>34109313Alternately, terminators could be one of the things they simply don't have. Make it a meaningful gap in the chapter's armory. Hell, it's mentioned that even some well-equipped successor chapters towards the 26th founding don't have terminators, because there's simply no supplies of them to be given.
>>34109313They might be used for ceremony, with perhaps one or two with terminator honors per planet for the "knighting" of recruits in to fully-fledged battle brothers.Dreadnoughts would likely be practically nonexistent.
>>34109313Hmm... perhaps the psykers are more then alright? Because of the very specific needs of the chapter, they have gotten massive amounts of practical experience acting as heavy weapons in the field?
>>34109313I can see them not having Librarians.Not because they don't like psykers or anything. Back when they set up shop in that patch of space the Black Ships didn't go to such a complete backwater of no importance. The local solution to the problem was to hang, decapitate, drown or burn them all.The librarians had to educated them otherwise. Librarians set up the first psyker training schools but at the expense that they had to abandon all other duties to the chapter.It was considered by the chapter council as the best option. A lack of psychic marines was a fair price for several thousand stable human psykers.
>>34109540>>34109534No terminators it is then, would be one of the things that they would probably be salivating over the prospect of somehow getting their hands on. Or perhaps only a tiny number of terminators like you said, half a dozen suits that are basically never deployed against a threat lesser than the full invasion of Dekara, which has never happened.>>34109568Hmm, perhaps, though librarians are rarely inexperienced, but they would probably have seen deployment with nearly every single Conservator force rather than being called upon only in more dire circumstances.
>>34109542One dreadnought, the original chapter master who fell during the chapters initial war with the orcs. The Reclimators had one armored sarcophagus in their possession, and the techmarines knew the incantations... Lord Arther still sees active duty. Over the base dreadnought armor, the chapters techmarines have layered additional armor, making Aurther a ironclad dreadnought. He wields a relic dug from the depths of Chiron IV, a massive seismic hammer.
>>34109692Oooor that makes good sense.Rather than librarians actively serving, a solid number of unaugmented psykers serving alongside battle brothers, more than usual even for the Imperial Guard since it's such a small unit with a higher than average psyker population in the March, since the black ships barely ever came by to cull the numbers and they kept breeding.Still far from common of course, but less uncommon than other places.And relying on psykers for things normally attributed to tanks or artillery is a nice bit of flavor for the lore, adding more 'magic' to this already very medieval feeling force, basically calling on 'wizards' rather than war machines.
>>34092190Space marines have no use for civilian bolters for starters while fireable are too small and underpowered plus all space marines can march up to systems and pretty much demand supplies so they will have the basics, bolter, heavy bolter, flamer, missile launcher and lascannon.
>>34109744Hmm, I'll consider it. Like the name too, I see what you did there.But they're called the Conservators, not the Reclimators, as I realized that however cool the name sounded, it's also a term for a waste recycling unit.
>>34109692Except now, the chapter is getting a steady influx of psykers. Given the population has sabalized, and the majority of the psykers look to the chapter as their saviors. Hell, the chapter is so strapped for large scale weapons, they field non augmented psykers with their own troops. Given as much protection as possible, but expected to pull their own weight as big guns.
>>34109753The administratum doesn't really want the chapter to keep hanging around the backwater system, and the mechanicum is actively pissed at them. They don't have any really backing to demand jack shit.
>>34109855The administratum is more blithely uncaring than actively hostile.To them the Conservators are at the very least a self-sustaining speed bump between any possible enemy and the planets they actually care about, which produce things more valuable than massive fields of wheat.So while they were a bit miffed at losing the tithes to those worlds, they don't really care because it's starting to pay off with an actual functioning Astartes chapter.The Mechanicum of course is still as you say, actively pissed, and while the chapters own techpriests and techmarines are loyal and supportive, the wider Mechanicum won't stoop to giving them so much as a single bolter round if they can at all avoid it.
>>34109540This. They also have no dreadnaughts anymore.They do have one Aegis suit. More or less. It had to be repaired a couple of time but it's still mostly Aegis.Only the Chapter Master, Head Chaplain, Chief Archivist and Champion know where it came from. Most probably from a dead Grey Knight and if that's true they probably harvested the body as well which means there could be a Grey Knight derivative somewhere in the chapter. Or maybe not. It may have been given to them as a gift.The suit is only worn by the Champion who keeps his title until someone beats him in a duel during the Tournament. Tournaments are held every 20 or so years when each company sends a representative to the home world. It's a solemn and dignified event but is open to public viewing.The suit has a storm bolter on its wrist and comes with a storm shield and one of the few power swords the chapter has.
>>34109921Hmm...I'll consider it. Though it would be highly unusual for them to have fought alongside Grey Knights.And while other chapters might be more lenient upon potentially discovering that the Conservators harvested their gene seeds, understanding that it was that or let them rot, the Knights have the capacity to be the kind of lawful stupid to declare a crusade against them for such an affront.
>>34110089Yeah, the GKs would go absolutely bonkers of their geneseed were taken. Even for this scavenger chapter, that's a risk they probably wouldn't take. Returning it to the GKs, even if difficult, would also get them brownie points with potentially politically significant allies, that could help them get back in good with the Powers That Be And Provide Gear.
>>34110151They could try, but there's just the issue of preserving the organic tissue.The gene seed is an organ, and organs are only good for transplant for so long after they're removed. The Conservators don't have much in the way of stasis technology.How about this, a squad of Conservators aboard one of the rogue trader ships, using their stasis unit, undertook a dangerous and long voyage to return the body of a fallen Grey Knight to his chapter so that he may be laid to rest properly.Touched by the lengths this tiny, weak chapter went to in order to honor one of their fallen, they were gifted a single suit of armor crafted from refurbished leftover parts by the Grey Knight's artificers.
>>34110089This is why it's possible that it was a gift, which is also not standard behaviour for the Grey Knights either.It might never be known for sure given the Grey Knight's love of brain wipes.Presumably the old archive might have had records in the forbidden section but that burned in nuclear fire along with the rest of the old monastery.Now only a few are trusted to remember. The Knights have never returned.
>>34110151>Powers That Be And Provide GearSuddenly, it all makes sense.
>>34110213I like this explanation.
>>34110213I'm imagining an Apothecary cutting his own body open, hooking up the GK's gene-seed so that it could have a steady blood supply, and being a living carry-bag for the gene-seed until it gets back to the GK chapter.
So... futsing around with making 40K table top mechanics for this chapter. They are running straight at needing their own codex to work right...Ideas overall: No dedicated transport. Rhinos and drop pods become a fast attack choice. Razorbacks are a heavy support choice. Bikers aren't an option. Scouts can take horses to become cavalry. Explosive bows: Rending 18” bolt guns, with the option to be fired as S3 AP- Blast assault weapons. So shitty frags.
>>34110401Usually it's better not to make tabletop rules for custom chapters. There's 0% chance you don't get yelled at for being a powergaming faggot, no matter what you do, because this is the internet and everyone hates everything without exception.
I like the idea of the Conservators meticulously tracking their 'debts' to other chapters. Occasionally they will encounter another chapter and return small pieces of gear that they scavenged long ago. Or a marine that was made using a salvaged gene-seed will be detached to that gene-seed's chapter for a period of time.When your pride is all you have left it's a lot more important to you.
>>34110433I don't hate you.>>34110401As I said above, I've never played the tabletop, so I honestly have no input on the rules that might represent them. They would have very minimal armored units, many options would simply not be available, but they would have unaugmented psykers and a healthy number of them.
>>34110468"All debts will be paid"I can imagine a chapter master saying this often and it bringing reassurance to some and pants shitting terror to others.They might be a chapter of nice marines but they are still, at the end of the day, built for war.
>>34110468Exactly, paying back a 'gene debt' is something the Conservators will undertake with extreme passion and energy, traveling further and risking more than they would normally do to pay their debt of honor.They would likely give gifts to the chapter in question, something that they themselves can replace, like master crafted swords, noble capes or cloaks, works of art like a huge tapestry honoring some past deed of that chapter, something like that.Thank you for this bolter we took from one of your dead marines forty years ago, we have not forgotten the debt we owe for taking it. Please accept this masterfully created tapestry honoring your chapter's glorious victory at the battle of Sigma 957.Or something along those lines.
>>34110433I can't stop, it is a thing with me. If I can make homebrew rules, I will. Also, surrendering to the "your a fagot" tide is weak. So Ideas #2:Special weapons are not an option for tactical squads, they have the option instead of buying a human psyker with a limited set of powers. Something like all the attack powers from pyromancy and telikenisis formed into a single school.
>>34110552If it was at Sigma 957 it wasn't against Those That Walk There.Sigma 957 is not a place for ants to step around sleeping giants.Old Ones slumber there.
>>34095233Salvagores! They all speak spanish.
>>34110662Forgot my link.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZW8Deq8vE
>>34110662>>34110724Thank you for getting my reference.
One of the most dire threats which faced the Asharn March, roughly one hundred and thirty years after the founding of the Conservators, was an incursion by a vile chaos warband into their sector. A Khornate band, they sought to slaughter the defenseless farmers of the March to glorify their god, though they found the March was far from undefended.As it turned out, the warband was operating on centuries outdated information due to the temporal flux of the Warp, and did not expect to find a heavily dug in Astartes chapter waiting for them. While the Conservators fought nobly they were slowly being outmatched by the daemonic power of their enemy.It was then that the Grey Knights arrived, and the battle was joined. With the holiest warriors of the Imperium at their side, the tide of battle was turned and the chaos warriors slaughtered to the last man standing, those who survived fleeing back to the immaterium.Thanks were offered and a day of celebration across the sector was declared, the Knights returning home with several fine gifts, tapestries, statues, a cloak for their Brother Captain, and finely wrought ceremonial swords.It was years later that the body of one of the holy battle brothers was found, preserved in ice on the frozen tundra where he had fallen. By a miracle from the Emperor himself his gene seed was still intact. It was decided that the need of the Grey Knights was greater than that of the Conservators, and a mission was assembled to return the fallen warrior, and his preserved gene seed, to his own chapter.
>>34111032The mission was dangerous and long, a small rogue trader vessel from House Mackyntire chartered at great expense to carry them to Titan itself to return the body to its rightful resting place.The long voyage was fraught with danger along the way, but at long last the squad escorting the body arrived, and the still intact gene seed, body, armor and weapons returned to the brethren of the fallen Knight.Touched that such a small, struggling chapter had gone to such great lengths, spending so much of their meager resources to return a single fallen brother to the burial vaults of Titan, and remembering the bravery with which the Conservators had fought, the Grey Knights honored them as they themselves had once been honored, with fine gifts to show their thanks.A suit of Grey Knight aegis armor was refurbished and gifted to the chapter, while severe damage had mostly wrecked the suit, it was repaired with standard Astartes material. No longer as powerful as it had once been, it was nonetheless one of the finest suits of armor the young chapter could ever hope to have, along with a masterfully crafted power sword.Another gift given to them was a man-sized slab of stone, cut from holy Titan and blessed by a Knight Chaplain, which has since become the Conservator's most holy relic.
I thought brown would have a nice monastic humble look for this Chapter, and I come back to this thread and that is what people seem to agree on. I like it.
>>34111159The aegis armor is worn by the chapter Champion, decided once every twenty years in a sporting tournament held on Dekara, a solemn and serious affair that nonetheless is open to public viewing and is undertaken with an air of sportsmanship and friendly competition.The 'Titan Stone' has been placed within the Conservator's central castle on Dekara. When a marine arrives on the world for the first time, it is unofficial custom to visit the stone and lay their sword upon it, meditating or praying as they each individually chose.While it has never been proven if doing so has any actual benefit, it should be noted that the swords of the Conservators, simple steel blades even for all their fine craftsmanship, are often observed to be more powerful and effective than simple metal blades should be, often seeming to be on par with chainswords despite their comparatively crude nature.
What would their relation with the inquisition be?Would their Chapter's area be important enough to warrant an Inqisitor of Ordo Barbarus to oversee the pre-industrial population?
>>34111534I am not familiar with that Ordo.'They'd probably be on decent footing with the Malleus, given the aforementioned relations with the Grey Knights, so while the inquisitors themselves might not care too much about them their chambers militant would remember them fairly well.
>>34111603http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ordo_Barbarus#.U-u4GGORbdcIt's not really been explored in the fluff at all as far as I know, so if there is ever any Inquisitor or Heresy fluff you could probably make something up and get away with it.
>>34111642Hmm, well they might be interested, but considering that there's only a handful of people in the entire Ordos is unlikely they'd be there in person, or even hear of it.Such an idea is pretty nice, but again this is a chapter fiefdom, not held to the same rules as the rest of the Imperium.That's part of the reason they have so many psykers, comparatively, they're not culled by the black ships and psyker development and breeding is actively encouraged because they fill otherwise gaping holes in the chapter's forces.
>>34111288Someone a while ago had the idea that their swords are more powerful than they should be because they're blessed somehow. I thought including the Titan Stone was a good way to use that idea while leaving it ambiguous.
>>34112204It could also be a combination of the chapter being really good at using them and everyone else underestimating them. When a Khornate loonie looks at one of them all he sees is a metal plank with an edge. Its not impressive but it is impressive enough when they start finding the weak points in power armour and start opening arteries and slicing tendons in the neck, elbows, armpits, groin, wrists and back of the knees.Deamons on the other hand, now thats a different thing all together.
I have to say i thoroughly enjoy the entire concept behind this chapter and i love the backstory for it so far
>>34112204>fight orks all day with blessed swords>oi, dem umie boyz get dem some fancee choppas boss>combined psychic energy of orks enhances the power of their weaponsthank you based mork
>>34112800Oh god... they become effective because orcs. Think it is just fine steel, but can cut through adimantium.
Idea for chaptermasters name: Ignatius McFaberA native of Dakar, he rose to the rank of chaptermaster during the insanity of the first Wagghhh. With the fall of the origional chaptermaster as he slew the orcish warboss, Ignatius was seen as the obvious successor.
What sort of Chapter Master do they have?I'm imagining a wise old king more than a warrior-priest.I'm imagining him as one of those rare exceptions amongst marines, one who grew too old and broken to war.After the last mission he was on they had to almost pour what was left of him around some cybernetics. He has one kidney, one lung, a heart, a stomach, some tubes, a bit of liver, many bones help together with pins or outright replaced and a brain. Everything else is cybernetics.Mismatch cybernetics. They don't get new ones. What they have they inherit from the dead. The brothers sometimes get shit from other chapters because their leader doesn't tread the warpath and many chapter masters don't respect him. He doesn't really care much and neither do his brothers.He sees his job as mostly an organiser, planner and sometimes spokesman for the chapter.
Guise....has any one ever cared to read into the salamander fluff?As in that they are exactly what is described here but with proper supplies?Sooo, founding chapter?
>>34114133I suggested it up thread... but salamanders build their stuff. And are desert based. Though I do like them as a founder.
>>34114133Not really.Salamanders have a super secret clubhouse on the moon. This chapter spent 20 years living in people's cellars because their fortress blew up.The salamander, although they care about their people, never alter anything about their worlds for the better.The salamanders are more about crafting awesome things, these people very, very slowly craft worlds
Dungeons and Dragons night for OP right now.I'll be around and listening though.
>>34114330I meant more to emphasize the humbleness.And their tendency to care very much for the average joe.Even the armour is justified here.
>>34114330They need to be someones successors. Salamanders kinda work because they make awsome things with what is at hand. Also, they respect everyone. Idea: the ammo on their assault cannons is rare as hell. So, they started using heavy repeating crossbows loaded with heavy quarels. Less range, but the quarels are shaped charges with solid penitrating power.
>>34115351I like this.Also the scrapped Imperial Guard vehicles they salvage have been altered to run on alcohol rather than promethium. So have their flamers. Pure alcohol is something they can make locally and relatively easily so they use it at every opportunity.Also I am imagining a sort of Black Templars style of recruit placement where the young are used to bolster the ranks of a failing squad so they learn from the best rather than sending them to the scout company.Scouts are often very old marines who know all about stalking dangerous prey and sneaking and assassination.
>>34115648Yeah, they always have more corn. Also... along with loving the idea of space marines owning a tavern... They are the major brewers of the system. Not really an enforced monopoly, but they just brew the best booze in the region. Just in keeping with their monkishness.
>>34115648Burning alcohol is about as threatening to an Ork as a warm shower. It's not very sticky, burns fast, and rapidly volatilizes in the atmosphere, dissipating and becoming useless. You can't spray it over any distance, either.
>>34115881Also, how many barrels of corn schnaps would it take for a space marine to get drunk?>>34115949Add some eggs or soap, even livestock blood to the equation and it looks quite different.
>>34116247Fair enough, but do remember the level of technology that 40k operates on. Farmer Cletus' moonshine, brewed here in the good old Anno Domini 2014 doesn't really compare to SPESS NAPALM.
>>34116323True. Luckily 40k military grade engines can run just fine on any flammable liquid so alcohol fuel is perfectly viable to run the vehicles, even if it's not useful for the flamers.
>>34116323I mean...well prometheum being the magical fuel for for ANYTHING!But seriously? Complex carbohydrate ?hmmm, idk. They thank farmer Cletus for the booze, bless it with some sacred oil and BAM faith?
>>34116400For anyone having read Gaunts novels, Chimera fuel and coolant is drinkable.
>>34116247>Also, how many barrels of corn schnaps would it take for a space marine to get drunk?They say Space Wolves Ale would kill a normal dude. So it would be a lot I guess.
>>34116609They drink for taste. More would cut into profits... which go to buy even more bolter shells.
>>34116609It seems to vary from author to author. In one book The Mighty Haegar was getting drunk off of brandy. In all fairness it was an entire bottle and he was still functional but it as having an effect.
>>34116609>>34116809Ehh i dimly recall a a ultramarine novel where Uriel Ventris and a spacewolf drank a barrel of mjod aka airplane fuel. Enough to get a hangover atleast.
Ok... because I don't care, I am going to make a codex for them. It will be great. Going to make a 1d4chan page at some point tonight.
>>34118318I already made a 1d4chan page.http://1d4chan.org/wiki/ConservatorsAs I said before I have no experience with the actual tabletop rules so I have nothing to contribute
>>34118486For a codex, you need a seperate page. Keeps it from getting cluttered.
>>34091720>the founder of this chapter was barely even a space marine, his only government issued equipment was his undying faith for the emperor>he was cast out of the Astartes training program for his "foul language, rude disposition, and punching a commissar in the face when he spoke ill of an ancient weapons industrialist named 'kalishnikov'>he did however, wield a hand-crafted weapon that, at first glance, appears to be a shoddy recreation of some kind of civilian bolter, but it holds an ancient, powerful aura that can banish some of the most powerful daemons>leading a run-down group of rust-clad astartes, these marines prowl the galaxy, searching for combatants to clash with and shout profanities towardsFACKING СУКА XOME GET ME BULYAT MOTHERFACKER
Okay, whoever keeps changing the battle cry, please stop.All debts shall be paid is more of a chapter motto, it's not really short or martial enough to be a battle cry.
>>34120361But it is so dull... Thousand sons get to yell "all is dust"Salamanders yell "Into the fires of battle, unto the anvil of war!"And the conservators yell "stand fast" ye scurvy dogs? It is just so bland for such a complicated chapter. "For Home and Hearth!" would even be better.
>>34120971Alright.Home and hearth is good, I like it, just wanted something about defending their home. All debts shall be paid sounds more... solemn than warlike.
>>34120971"For home and Hearth!" is a good one, I like this. Changing something on the wiki without permission or consensus is a bit of a dick move, though.
>>34119479Gah... getting the psykic discipline worked out. From there comes hacking bits out of the SM codex, and stapling on a few units. Actually posting anything will probably be much closer to midnight.
>>34121094anything we can read yet?
>>34121593ideas and half a set of powersNo dedicated transport. Rhinos and drop pods become a fast attack choice. Razorbacks are a heavy support choice. Bikers aren't an option. Scouts can take horses to become cavalry. Explosive bows: Rending 18” bolt guns, with the option to be fired as S3 AP- Blast assault weapons. So shitty frags. Psykers are plentiful, and can be taken as part of normal marine squads. They get a separate schools of psyking. Call it Dakarian Style psyking. This is to keep the price of the psykers stable, and the power level of the powers even. Thing the psykers need to emulate. Plasma gunFlamerMissile launcherPrimaris - PunchWarp Charge Cost : OneRange : 24"Type : Focussed WitchfireEffect : The target model is hit by an attack with a Strength equal to 2xUser and an AP value equal to 5-User strength. If the Strength value greater the ten, it either automatically wounds the model if it has Toughness value or inflicts an automatic penetrating hit if it has armour values. If the AP value would go below 1, it instead just adds +1 per point below 1 to the penitrating hit result table. Change: Made it not random, added 6” to range. Your las cannon sir. Or plasma gun. Or whatever. Really a ranged power fist. Should have enough range to make hitting shit a non issue. 1 - Flame WaveWarp Charge Cost : OneRange : TemplateType : Witchfire, Assault 1Effect : This is an attack using the range listed with a profile of Strength 4, AP 5 and torrent special rule. Remember that Template weapons have the Ignores Cover special rule.Flamers are fun. Torrent flamers are more fun. 2 - Flame StrikeWarp Charge Cost : OneRange : 36”Type : Whitchfire, Heavy 1.Effect : This is an attack using the range listed with a profile of Strength 4, AP 5 large blast, with the ignores cover special rule. Changes: added torrent, moved it to a S4 AP 5, lost soul blazeBlast flamers are the most fun.
>>34121869God, I wish I understood anything related to 40K rules.
>>34121056>All debts shall be paid sounds more... solemn than warlike.I think it sound inspiring whereas other war cries are generally intimidating. Still prefer All Debts Shall be Paid as a warcry. After all their primary opponent is orks, who don't care much for dis' humie talkin' bizness. May as well direct it toward the guys who will actually appreciate what it means.
>>34122746I think it could certainly be a pre battle saying or oath, but it's not quite snappy enough in my mind to be shouted as you charge into battle itself.It's certainly something to say before battle, but it just doesn't feel right to me as something to shout as you are actually running into combat.
I came into a sizable number of old school beakies and I will make at least one squad of this chapter. And that idea that the Apothecary returned the GK geneseed by slicing himself open and using his body to preserve it is badass. Would serve alongside and die defending.
>>34124936I really am flattered! Post a pic to the 1d4chan page if you do that, since they're Mk VI armor they'd be chapter veterans from the founding.
>>34125129I plan on using Rogue Trader markings, unless you'd prefer them using more current codex types. I also have an old school Predator that I haven't been able to decide what to do with. I think I'll paint it up for these guys and fluff it as a gift from the Salamanders for some great act of honor or something.
>>34125234You're going to make me blush anon.Yeah that makes a lot of sense, maybe the Conservators owe the Salamanders a gene debt and go above and beyond the call of repaying it? So much that the Salamanders feel they should show some appreciation for the act?
>>34125418My first, and current, army is Salamanders which is why I chose them. Knowing the Salamanders, the Conservators could have paid back a debt from salvaging a piece of equipment and somehow Tu'Shan found out about it and decided such an honorable chapter deserves something in the way of recognition. So they gifted them a Predator tank so they may continue to protect those under their watch.
>>34125636Never mind the salvage bit, a gene debt is a better idea.
>>34127239Behold: their humble fortress monastery in the countryside of a shit-poor feudal world.>I have been monitoring this thread.
>>34127722Why thank you.Yeah their fort would probably just be a fairly normal looking castle.
>>34127722I always thought this Teutonic castle had a great vibe to it.
Sorry for the lack of content recently, I've been tired and busy lately.I'm certainly not done with this chapter though, I'll probably do a little writing and then make a new thread about them.
>>34091720Mk V/VI Armour.Practically no tanks that aren't adaptions of Rhino's. Few Terminator's. Few Combi-Weapons. Lots of Relics (to represent them looking after the little decent equipment they have). No Bikes/Land Speeders.As for why they are badly equipped; Pissed of the Mechanicum; Went rogue, got beaten to a pulp and pillaged by other Loyal Chapters and are on a Century long Crusade of redemption...Be inventive.
>>34130505Malbork is snazzy.
>>34135130That's basically what we've established already.
>>34092999I seem to recall that at least some of the Marines Malevolent have become corrupted by chaos, I think it's in the Salamander novels?
This reminds me of the play my buddy has for a custom Black Templar inspired chapter. He is going with white red and gold and his main warlord will have a mullet and be named Space Jesus and hes gonna print fuck the fluff on the base. Everything is going to have a big gold cross on it and be super gaudy and flashy.He will probably do his over dramatic PRAISE JESUS voice while he plays with it. Its going to piss off all the guys that are really into the lore and story. I love it.
>>34135385That sounds fun but I honestly don't see how they are at all similar.
What would Conservators Initiate master-forged steel armour look like?I imagine this with more purity seals.
>>34135677Something along those lines without the horns or the cape, yeah. And grey, gunmetal armor without decoration as their colors and appearance details, but yeah overall that's a good build.
>>34113304>>34113555So Ignatius McFaber, Chapter master of the Conservators. Arguably should be in a dreadnaught, but the chapter dosn't have one to spare. So he gets along with heavy prosthetics. The Ignatius has had a long and storied career, being one of the first native marines of Darkar. Like most of his native brothers, until the orc Waaagghh! there wasn't any promotions. Still he became a squad leader in the scout corps, and was well on his way to becoming a full brother. He was commended for his effective tactics, often restraining his squad from melee combat against the orcs. Still, the War of the Broken Forge took its toll on the chapter. Suddenly promotions were handed out freely, as entire squads were wiped out. Ignatius rose through the ranks through a series of clever victories, eventually becoming a part of the first company... an honor, but at this point there wasn't much to the chapter besides the first and second companies. When the founding chapter master, Aurther Lyola, fell along with his entire command squad ending the great warboss Mo'dakka the chapter turned to the next highest ranking member of the chapter. Ignatius McFaber took the roll with honor, and made a point of leading from the front, like the chapters former master. This earned him his brothers respect, and a rokket to the face. This was some time after the inital destruction of the orks, during a scav run. Luckily, the chapter had enough cybernetics to patch their chapter master back together.
>>34135922This is pretty good. I like the old marine who's so banged up he's past his prime angle of it, though not so bad he's practically a dred, after all you're pretty much dead if you're considered for dreadnought mounting. So not that badly hurt, but still gravely injured in the line of duty and with their somewhat sub par augmetics he's not fit for combat anymore, but he is slowly healing.So he spends most of his time in the castle, and a lot of that in bed, only his most trusted and close advisers and friends allowed to see him bedridden, he appears walking in public though he leans on a heavy walking stick.His condition is slowly recovering, though there is little that can be done for him at the moment, they simply have to let his body slowly repair itself.
>>34136106I figure the chapter tech marines keep giving him upgrades on Emperor day as gifts. He always tries to refuse, so they sneak them up on him during routine maintenance. Also... how about he is still able to fight, but only in a specially augmented set of terminator armor. His black caripace still works, so he can get around... he is just a bit slower. Still kicks ass with Avalon, the relic power sword of the Conservaitors chapter master.
>>34136250That sounds pretty good to me.Thread will be autosaging soon, I'll make another when it drops and try to have some new writing to put up.