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Welcome back lurkers!

We provide you with a fresh update!

We've gotten Equipments, Items and Crafting fleshed out. We've got a small array of Items that will grow bigger but for now it is only sample items for you to look at!

I don't believe we mentioned this but there's been an improvement in the navigation of the document, allowing you to use the links up top to travel all across the pages.

The Tinkerer also got a lot more love as we finished up Crafting. They look like they'll be ready to make all your laser-rifles and umbrella swords for the future!

Pets and Companions seems to be the next thing on the list, giving crunch to both Friendmaker and possibly the Tinkerer as well!

Stay tuned for more updates or join us in the IRC to share your ideas! You might even get to make a request to our own drawfriend as soon as said friend wakes up from his everlasting sleep.

How does time work in kidpunk? In my experience, weekends, holidays and recess seem to drag on forever and other time doesn't really exist.

>>34086795
Time in Kidpunk works as the Chaperone(GM) decides it does. My personal recommendation would be to simply ask people if they have any plans to do anything during down-times like school, etc. You could easily have classes be instantaneous, or you could play out special scenarios in them. You could also have recess only be a brief time giving you enough to do things you've decided before or give them a lot of time to do what they'd like.

It's all up to your own personal preference. Time-skips could be fluffed as the kids not remembering that time.

>>34086795
In my view, kidpunk harkens back to the days of endless summer. Time effectively does not exist, unless the GM makes some special consideration for it.

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>>34089207
Ranged and Melee symbols.
I might rework em into something simpler later.

guys you let the last thread time out before cataloging it on suptg

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>>34092199
Oh dear.
I hope I still got all the art stuff from last thread then...

>>34092199
Could it still be up on something like foolz?

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>>34092106
Version 2 of the Ranged and Melee symbols

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>>34093007
Symbol for Global range

>>34086351
>Kidpunk is a genre in which children perform great feats of imagination while outside the supervision of adults.
Don't forget the elements of oppressive adult authority and active rebellion. Like KND. Otherwise, people might assume it has nothing in common with any other variation of ____-punk.

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>>34093508

Less crunch, more layout!

We've made the headings in to something that we feel is more user friendly.

There's now icons for all the three ranges and they will be used to help define the actions you can take.

Companions are on their way, but the mechanics are yet to be done. Currently we're making a list on animals one would have as a pet and brainstorming about what other kind of companions a kid could have.

>>34093625
why is it baiting a gun?

>>34093979
>a gun
What are you talking about? That is clearly a fish.

>>34094087
it's an assault rifle.

>>34094123
Look, I know there are more than a few /k/ommandoes who frequent /tg/, and any one of them could tell you that is clearly a fish.

>>34094147
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fish%20Gun

ah.

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>>34094260
Now you're getting it.

Pic related, it's someone holding an XM-8 rifle.

Bump?

Is Kidpunk dying young?

>>34096296
No, it's just that all the work gets done in irc so there isn't much to chat about in the thread.

>>34096296
>>34096296
everybody's on the IRC.

Thread is slow and needs constant remaking.
IRC, though not as good a permanent record, is much faster.

>>34087452
Yeah, unless there's a time-sensitive mission, it doesn't exist.
For example, time exists if you need to get back home before Christmas morning

>>34092688
I save all of your drawings so if you're missing any I can post them

I fucking love /tg/.

>>34097171
We fucking love you anon.

>>34097200

This board is just so damn pleasant. The only board that even comes close is /co/. And that's telling, because there's considerable overlap between the two.

>>34096800
>IRC, though not as good a permanent record
that's what the doc is for

>>34097200
>not "We love fucking you anon."

>>34097385
That was implied.

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>>34097067
Thanks man I'll let you know if thats needed.

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>>34097516
And a pic for "Dice Contests".

>>34097841
Looks great. Thanks

>>34097516
Starting to remind me of Psychonauts.
This is not a bad thing.

>>34099356
Is Psychonauts kidpunk?

>>34093625
>shutting down all discussion through pure offendedness
You're not going to change anyone's minds (or the facts) that way.

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>>34099748

>>34099714
No. It doesn't have any "punk" elements. It's closer to espionage.

>>34099774
>shutting down all discussion through pure offendedness
You're not going to change anyone's minds (or the facts) that way.

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>>34099830

>>34099714
Partial example, like Ed Edd and Eddy.

>>34099893
The "kid" part, yes, but there's not much "punk" to it. There's no oppressive adult conspiracy; adult authority figures are portrayed as being benevolent and trustworthy for the most part, with the main villains being the exception.

>>34099927
It does have kid based tech though. A satellite powered by rubberbands, extendo-platform shoes, Thing-a-ma-jigs.

>>34099927
Stop insisting the punk part is about rebellion instead of tech.

We've already had this fight at least twice a thread.

>>34099995
He's tried to find a way to satisfy both his autism and our not giving a fuck about his autism.

Now, instead of demanding we change the name of Kidpunk RPG, he's demanding we change the definition of Kidpunk RPG to fit what he wants it to be.

Please go make your own thread to discuss the proper useage of "-punk" as we do not care about your sperging.

>>34099995
>Stop insisting the punk part is about punks instead of tech.
It is, though. Virtually every variation of ___-punk has those elements and uses the term specifically for that reason, including the invention of the actual term "kidpunk".

>>34100019
But that's what it's always been from the time the term was invented a few days ago. I'm just pointing it out so nobody gets the mistaken impression that the game has nothing in common with the "punk" genre.

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>>34100163
There's nothing in the setting that particularly demands those themes. So far we've mostly been talking about "kid-vs-kid" balance because we haven't even worked on adults yet.

>>34100199
>There's nothing in the setting that particularly demands those themes.
So if it's not punk, what is it...? Kid fantasy? Imaginationland?

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Please go make your own thread to discuss the proper useage of "-punk" as we do not care about your sperging.

>>34100244
It's kidpunk.

Nobody cares about your "correct" definition of 'punk' which ignores the original definition of punk just as much as ours does.

>>34100263
>proper
Honestly, the way it's been described it doesn't fit any usage of "-punk". It doesn't even seem to fit into a coherent genre, just the common fan theory of "maybe they're imagining it all".

>>34100306
And this would be a fascinating conversation in your own thread on the subject.

This thread is not for discussing "kidpunk" as a genre. It's a thread for discussing the creation of a specific in-development RPG system which is called Kidpunk.

>>34100278
If it ignores the definition of "punk", then why even use the word?

Note: that's the definition of "punk" which has been used for "cyberpunk" and variations thereof, including the actual coining of the term "kidpunk" specifically to refer to children struggling against adult tyranny.

>>34100348
>the actual coining of the term "kidpunk" specifically to refer to children struggling against adult tyranny.
According to who? You?

>>34086351
>Kidpunk is a genre in which children perform great feats of imagination while outside the supervision of adults. Think of Kids Next Door or Ed, Edd, and Eddy.
>Kidpunk broadly encompasses those series featuring children protagonists who accomplish amazing feats of engineering, science, technology, or so on through childlike architecture or techniques that wouldn't really work for adults.
>A common element is the unstated assumption that everything happening in the setting might just be the childrens' imaginations - so the KND tree fort is just an ordinary treehouse, Dexter's Lab might just be a science kit and an overactive imagination, EE&E's jawbreakers aren't actually twice the size of their heads, et cetera. On the other hand, perhaps children tap into a kind of magic that they eventually grow out of, magic powered by imagination that actually makes their thoughts become real.
>The Kidpunk RPG system is a d20-based system that aims to capture the feel of this style; you play a kid with an incredible imagination, taking part in fantastic battles with weapons real and imaginary. Imagination is a valuable resource, and a careful balance must be struck between how cool your friends think you are, and how much your parents dote on you.
Where does it say anything about rebelling against adults, exactly? Sure, that is a plot you could do in Kidpunk RPG, but there's nothing in the definition that requires it.

>>34100486
A lot of the examples given however have either no parents or have them play evil parts or very very minor parts.

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Kidpunk. It's just a name of the RPG. This thread is not the appropriate thread to talk about it or any other "-punk" genre or the definitions thereof.

Please make a thread of your own to discuss that instead of hijacking a thread on a different subject.

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I sense no danger here

>>34100584
I don't see how not featuring parents means they encompass your overly-specific definition of punk.

>>34100656
I'm not the guy you responded to. Just some random Anon offering a piece of information that might be useful to the discussion.

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Time to peacekeep with some art.

Two more Attack symbols. I can also do some character art too.

This is beautiful. All of you are beautiful. I love all of you.

>>34100873
>reaction is a mousetrap
Clever.
btw, is there any easy way to match an image size to the size of another image already in the doc so that it's easier to get all icons the same size? eyeballing it is kind of a pain in the ass

>>34100946
It'd probably be best to do it in some image-editing program.

>>34100946
I can, once i get all of them done, create versions that are smaller right from the start, and on their own. so that way you don't have to resize them.

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>>34100921
Thanks.

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One will symbol and 4 concepts for Imagination Points.

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>>34103461
Now finalized and In color!

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I didn't know I wanted this so much. I'd love to play this with people.

It also makes me want to rewatch Recess.

But yeah, if we're talking about genre, I think the whole oppressive adults thing is a very common theme, but not a necessary theme. Because a work without that can still give off the same sort of vibe and feeling.

>>34105177
We want to focus on capturing the fun of being a child and toying around with imagination.

While the document might not look like much right now it's been a massive improvement from the start.

We're currently working on companions/discussing how to make mega-robots of doom. If you want to be a part of development come join the IRC.

Fellow elegan/tg/entlemen, I bring you more news!

The pets and companions section is now something to look at! There's some samples for each of them and what you get from slaving off at home until you can nag your parents in to getting you a pet dog! And if you feel crazy, you could save up to buy materials for a big robot!

We're currently in the middle of smashing Pretending against a wall, trying to salvage whatever we can from that dead horse. It'll probably have us rework quite a lot to have it work properly.

>>34106156
JOIN US IN IRC FOR A GAME OF PRETEND
Not really. We're just trying to figure what we're going to do with the pretend mechanics.

We're currently working on stuff that does not involve fighting or making stuff for fighting!

Join us in IRC or check out the document. Feel free to leave comments and make requests in the thread or the IRC.

bump

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H-hello? Is someone there?

>>34086351
Just had an idea, maybe for a campaign or something: the end of the school year is coming, thus the kids have to get ready for the Ordeals of the Mind or else face the burning classrooms of Summertime School with Mrs. [name of that old lady in the Badman's section picture]. The games play around with the kids doing stuff that awards them "total studying time" for a subject, and have to work around quests to fill out enough to pass the school year. There are also fights against the perils of procastination, and a quest at the last moment to help a friend who has not studied at all.

What do you say?

>>34110780
Sounds too abstract, with the perils of procrastination stuff.

>>34113457
Maybe fun things keep happening to the kids. And there's bonus to your social standing at risk?

>>34110780
Someone else suggested a possible campaign goal was to steal answers to tomorrow's math quiz.

>>34114636
which is a much better campaign if I say so myself.

perhaps premise of one, play of the other?

To avoid summer school, steal the answers to the mondo-big-ultra-important test?

>>34115156
>fights with school hall monitors
>climactic end battle against Mrs. Fulcher (why does this allow the kids to get away with it? who knows!)
>janitor midboss

Hell, I had an idea like this for a turn-based video game RPG where the party had Imagination Points to power their special abilities and it took place during the last summer they were together. Good to see something cool like that being made.

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>>34117255
This music video strikes me as Kidpunk except with grandparents. Even has that dream-like aire that comes with being childish, and icelandic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmXMA34CeoQ

>>34086351
goddamnit, i didn't expect to see this past the second thread

>>34113457
>>34114204
Actually I was thinking more like the kids picked up their books to read them, and they are so boring even staring at the wall is more interesting than studying them. So they start spending IP (perhaps not actually spending IP, just the GM going with a minor imaginary treat from the list) to make stuff fun, and thus end up procastinating.

There could also be quests like going around in the park in order to do "field study" (obviously an excuse to go to the park and collect bugs and lizards).

That's what I had in mind when I suggested that, anyways.

>>34120427
Dive into history first hand maybe. The adventure of reading a history book leads you to going through a kiddified version of the American revolution, except with Robot King George! and Molemen! French Vampires!

>>34120461
With that I think a "Don't Fail and End Up in Summer School" campaign would be viable. So far we got three quests, one for math, another for biology and a third one for history.

Perhaps another one where bullies steal your homework, and if you don't get it back you'll fail a graded exercise.

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A request to draw some characters from the IRC.

>>34121152
>that kick me sign
Is kick me signs an item in-game?

>>34123500
It should be!

>>34123732
Placing a "kick me" sign on an opponent forces their allies to attack them until they removes it

>>34124715
I like that idea. Maybe kicking the affected target grants SSP, so that way even if YOU are effected there's at least a bonus.

>>34124857
Maybe forget allies vs enemies - kicking a Kid afflicted with a Kick Me sign nets one SSP, regardless of side?

>>34124886
There we go.

>>34124886
Shouldn't the sign lower the SSP of the person wearing, due to looking like a loser?

>>34125990
Sure.

So anyone who kicks a sign-wearer gains 1 SSP and the sign-wearer loses...X SSP?

>>34126053
getting kicked already causes them to lose Will. do they really need to lose SSP too?

>>34126124
maybe they can just lose a point at the start of it being put on... or maybe lose SSP once they take off the sign... since it means not being part of the joke anymore.

Frankly the kickme sign is getting more complex as we talk about it.

>>34126124
>>34126162
Kickee loses Will per kick. Kickers gain 1 SSP each.

Seems simple enough.

>>34118077
oh fuck I hate that music video
It's so sad
:(

>>34126955
Oh yeah its sad... but i always thought it was that sweet kind of sad. Or a sad kind of happy.

I like sad things.

>>34086351

I've gotta say out of the many things I've seen on 4chan /tg/ this is one of the more intriguing and fascinating ideas.

This extends way beyond Ed, Edd, And Eddy along with KND. Earthbound has some 'kidpunk'/'kidtech'. Brushing your teeth to blind your foes? Check. Eating Hamburgers for health and using condiments for extra health? Yeah! Though that's just more the wacky nature.

Costume Quest (Made by the same person who made Pyschonaugts) has you playing a children on halloween and your transform into amazing being when you don costumes, such as putting on a boxy robot outfit to become a giant mech during the combat scenes, to wearing a french fry costume and turning into spider french fry crab.

Plus I love the idea of how the world could work, making recess last longer to span a quest (Speaking of which, Recess is another great source for this). I also like the idea that the imagination of the world could merge with the real world at some farther point.

You could have a lot of grimdark things, like fighting the monster under your bed, dealing with a real life influence that effects them in character. (Your pet dies or something)

Actually as I keep typing a few more things come to mind. The Binding of Isaac has a lot of those elements in the game, in the most horribly way possible though. That deals with the fact that all his drawings is what he faces and that your dealing with his dark imagination.

Bridge to Tarabithia is a live action film if you want something real for a source. OH! We can't forget rugrats either!

I hope this thread is here tomorrow so we can talk about it.

>>34127933
The last thread lasted from saturday until tuesday morning pretty much. The threads are active enough for stuff to get brainstormed, for people to get interested, talk about things that kidpunk reminds them of, fluff and art to get made, and for people to shitpost about the name and the proper use of punk, but that is neither here nor there.

I say the more the merrier. Glad that you dig the project.
I say if you got ideas for fluff or

>>34127933
we referenced all of those but tarabithia in previous threads.

but yes, good job anon. very insightful you clearly known what we're working on here. Hope you'll stay to help out.

Wanna know something that could work as great boss but also be tragic at the same time?

Have the final fight be against an abusive parent. It could be about facing your fear and that once your able to confront them maybe you can move on and just live your life without having to escape to the world you made to forget what they did to you.

Shit, now I've got feels.

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>>34128073
We could also always take the psychonauts approach to it too if we want to avert grimdark AND keep the feels...
Fighting the imaginary "friend" version of a parent. A nasty abusive jerk who just makes you feel bad... And real parent is around to sort of... help reconcile, say sorry and stuff, and fight "Evil Deam Dad" together.

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What can the avg anon do to help this glories effort ?
I saw the 1st two threads but I never imagined you'd get this far /tg/

Box forts play a roll at all here ?

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>>34128202
I dunno.
What do you think?
Yes, yes they do. Or rather yes they could.

>>34128174
well there is the document you can help work on. We could always use more crunchfags.
that and there's the IRC where a lot of the development conversation goes on. We're working on Companions and Crafting the two key component sections of the Tinkerer and Friendmaker classes.

And hey, we could always populate this thread with ideas for fluff, Or ideas for mechanics and whatnot. Its all up in the OP post and on the doc if you are interested friend.

>>34128164
Yeah! That works great actually!

I know they have a good amount of classes, bt I'm curious if there could be more.

One that came to mind was the idea of "The Goody-Two-Shoes". This the kid that listens to there parents, is well behaved, does well in class and tries to be nice and does the right thing. When they pretend they don't care much for 'blowing up there enemies' but rather they like to pretend they are doctor and are fixing you up, or they are chef to feed you.

I'm guessing this might just be the Buddy in the end.

There really is a lot of cool stuff they could add over time. One thing that came to mine is more severe disadvantages. It's interesting to think that kid in a wheelchair could have it be his great asset, becoming a robot or tank of some sort. They could also have lower chance of getting in trouble, stuff like that.

Oh, I just thought of a class! There has to be either a class or branching path that "The Catcher" who skills are based around kids who hunt around for bugs and lizards. I know when I was kid I spent a bunch of time collecting them.

Plus what you could do with the bugs could range from "Wasp Jar Bombs" to "Battle Snail"

I don't know, I'm gonna need to get some sleep and think about it.

>>34128638
Currently we're focusing more on making an array of "base" classes and get this thing test worthy. If this becomes a thing we'll definitely be adding to it.

Goody-Two-Shoes sounds a lot like a fluff for Buddy, or an alternate option.

So, we're not adding more Types right now. There's already 4 classes to pick from and 16 Types.

Rather, there's still mechanics to be worked on. Mental and Social have no practical uses right now outside of combat situations.

>>34128809
well they did, people just kept deleting them or moving them to specific classes.

Originally putdowns were something any character could do.

>>34129042
>Originally putdowns were something any character could do.
He did say outside of combat, and putdowns were just attacks that used SOC instead of PHY.
I do think the decision to make putdowns something only Gossips could do was made rather hastily though.

>>34128809
All the Competitions appear to be physical. Clearly there should be some social and mental competitions. My initial thoughts include flame-wars and trivia challenges.

>>34129302
>when Know-It-Alls have a mackdown

>>34129302
Social challenges beyond flame-wars keeps sending my brain back to the wheeling and dealing done by the lead character in The Yard. Which also includes currency in the forms of trading cards and pp&j sandwiches, so add that to the list of recommended viewing.

Hey guys!

We've taken the time to overhaul the way we had the project built up. We're no longer going to make direct edits to the document like we did before, instead we've split things up in to a lot of documents. The main document will be changed only when there's a sufficient change to be introduce. From now on the main document might be out-dated and will definitely see some heavy rework for later. But we'll do our best to provide you information on what has changed and post links to the altered documents!

Here's the folder in case you want to go through these things yourself. The document is also in there as well as a document with links to all the other docs that belong to the main one.

>>34130049
>forgot link

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByZR9nFsMu9LQjZ0dzYyZUlQV2M&usp=sharing

>>34130060
This is a good thing. Might make navigation to edit a little easier.

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A little sketch of a mr. someone expression. Might revisit later.

>>34127933
So... what exactly is the "genre"? All of those examples are radically different in tone, and the majority of them don't have much to do with the "aesthetics of technology" concept, either.

>>34132539
It's a game of kids being kids playing with their imagination, yo. Whether the punk means 'fighting an oppressor' or 'brat' doesn't matter now.

>>34132539
At this point Kidpunk is a funny oxymoron that has become the name of the system.

However if we must dive into the age old discussion.

Kids Imagination=the Technological Flavor. (ramshackle things that shouldn't work, duct tape, nails, and stuff lying around the house are resources)
Kids are the central to conflicts (be it rebellion against rules set up by school, parents, or hell Other kids being in charge)

KND and Ed Edd Eddy are the principal influences for the thing though. So that should speak volumes.

>>34086351
>There for original thread
>Help with the first few posts like reality and such
>get sick and forget
>come back and see this thread and image

I...I feel like I helped in some way. This has caused a pointless boost to my meager moral.

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>>34132638
Before this blows up any further I'll just post some art from the last thread.

>>34132822
Nothing is never not pointless.

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>>34132854

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>>34132873
Unlike Jim Croce, this kid don't gotta name.
Any ideas?

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>>34132926
This is a spooky jerk. Working on some fluff for him.

>>34132926
Davey Crocker?

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>>34133014
Badumtish.
Actually pretty good.

>>34132854
No it isn't pointless you are right.

Are you the artist for these or where are they coming from?

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>>34133044
Yes I am the artist for these. I sometimes namefag if the other drawfag is in the thread to differentiate.

>>34133097
Iwantyouinmybody.

This thread just also makes me sad. I keep trying to get my own thing going but every time I get motivated
>sick
>work
>university

I never get productive...and yet in the time it took for me to forget about the 1st kidpunk thread, you guys have a functional RPG and art.

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>>34133188
Real Life is getting ready to hit me too frankly... and hard. Don't worry about it... i'm not that much better in terms of productivity... its mostly thanks to the expectations of the people in these threads that I've been making any output.

>you guys have a functional RPG and art.
Not quite. But we just have a few more things to complete before we can get cracking on Prototype Character sheets that we can start filling out.

>>34133247
Just envious I guess...

Looks well done though so far. Loving the art, it really pulls it together. You guys should hammer the setting out and do like a 10 page comic. Just a straight up KND plot rip would work. That'd draw in a lot of people.

>>34133308
Why don't you come join us in IRC?

We hang around most of the time, do some work now and then and make progress together. It really helps to have people around when you're making something.

>>34133833
I would but I'm trying to be a secretive dick about it.

I don't want to spoil a novel that inspired the whole setting... so writing a story AND a game in the same setting. I will fail I guess...but I gotta try.

Hey, Same guy who posted about the Good-Two-Shoes.

Goody Two Shoes, now that I'm awake and have thought about it, are in the weirdo class. They aren't regular Buddies who are willing to fight, but strongly morale for a kid. As mentioned before they don't get in trouble as often, study hard, are nice to people. They are the kids that parents say "Oh, they are just a little angel~".
They're unique thing would be they get +1 to all stats as long as they are not attacking someone. They don't like hurting other, due to there "Carebear" nature. I would imagine if they ever had "Prestige Cliques" They could become a white knight later on!

A few others came to mind while I thought of it, First off for the Jock type they're should be the Daredevil. That kid who always doing stunts to show off, knows the cool tricks, and most likely takes a karate class. I would imagine half the time it's not there raw strength in effect but there "Rad" factor which wows others.

For the Nerds, I thought of the Artist. They are one of the few who can make there ideas concrete, and show what they are thinking. This helps them create new ideas and really reinforce it's presence.

Finally for the popular is the Singer or Possibly a Class Clown.

I also thought of another idea for a source, Chuuyubi (I most likely messed up the spelling) Is this anime about kids suffering "Middle Schooler Syndrome". It's a perfect example of imagination powers at works, as well the reaction from real world to fantasy.

I hope this threat keeps going, I love this idea.

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Someone built a birdhouse in their soul

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