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Here is a terrible looking paint job map that likely has some wrong things in but doesn't matter on the general scale of things. The X is where you are attacking, the circle is where Wu, your city, is located. I made a mistake last time saying it was Shou Chun, when it is Lu Jiang that you are attacking.

A few things to note: Lu Bu's territory looks enormous, as does Shi Xie. These territories are large, but historically were less populated with less concentrated cities and villages and had more barbarian tribes compared to the middle and northern areas of the map. The large territories held does not a more powerful land base and resources. Cao Cao and his northern territories during the time of three kingdoms formation always had the better manpower and resources than Liu Bei and Sun Quan.

yay

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Time for Best Quest.

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The council and discussions end, with Lu Bu declaring a campaign against Yuan Shu. You walk out of main governmental complex, mounting your horse and taking preparations to leave. There is much to be done if you want to provide a substantial effort in the attack against the new Zhong “empire.” However, some doubt and a pint of worry hover around your mind and heart. You have heard rumors of Cao Cao, the man said to be a crafty hero in times of war, and you wonder if your forces should be making moves that benefit him.

As you walk out of the gate of the administrative building, you stop your horse and rub your chin. Chen Gong was the man who presented the two plans to the officers and Lu Bu; perhaps you should discuss matters with him to gain a better idea of the campaign and what to expect.

>Visit and discuss with Chen Gong
>Leave for Wu

>>34072679
Chen Gong time!

>>34072679
>Visit and discuss with Chen Gong

If nothing else, we need to know quantity and quality of troops he's expecting us to field.

Im not saying i have been reading through the archieves through the weekend and stayed up till 4AM to be here

But i totally have

>>34072679
>Leave for Wu
We must begin preparations at once

>>34072679
>Visit and discuss with Chen Gong
Can't see the harm, we're in no rush

>>34072679
>Visit and discuss with Chen Gong

Wouldnt hurt

>>34072679
YES! IT IS BEST QUEST! We should see Chen Gong first. It won't take long and we need to plan. Also, when we get back, I say we have a Rally to get more support, defame Yuan Shu, and get the people ready and willing to volunteer to protect our land and fight off that rat in emperor's clothing.

>>34072708
Good to have you, brother

>>34072679
>Visit and discuss with Chen Gong
Who wouldn't want to strategize with Brother Gongtai?

>>34072679
>>Visit and discuss with Chen Gong

>>34072679
Visit and discuss with Chen Gong.

>>34072708
Welcome. Prepare to pursue the Lu father and daughter, as well as ignore Chen Gong should the name Cao come up twice in a row.

>>34072708
I stay up until 3. Makes going to work at 6 kind of rough, but whatever.

So, posting the plan from last thread:

We can equip about 10k troops well with our available and expected gold, split into something like

2k cavalry
2k xbows
6k infantry

This leaves about 1k gold for ships and siege. We should find out how important ships are going to be in this campaign, because if they're not very important, we can sink all that cash into siege units.

We'd probably need to do
3x improve farm as our first action, since that benefits 2 seasons of harvests and we'll need significant supplies
After that, we should probably
3x recruit and hope we reach around 12k total troops, since we'll need at least 2k garrison in Wu
After that, we should train and look for additional officers.

>>34072744

I'm actually going to disagree with the rally idea here since that's going to take up one of our action slots.

Our Wu priorities need to be recruiting and training soldiers. We have to leave behind a garrison and 5000 troops just isn't cutting it.

Maybe recruit one more officer so Zhou Tai won't have to defend the city by himself.

>>34072805
No traditional or horse archers? That doesn't sound good for the flexibility of our force.

>>34072824
As far as i know we have never encountered or used horse archers. We're not mongols.

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Guys, we should look to Cheng Gong to help us write a final letter to Sun Ce before we go to war.
Subtly encourage him to defect, but that we'll welcome him after the war

>>34072805
We should probably also start putting our brother and sister to training.

Brother could be trained by Gu Yong or Yu Fan aswell as getting some WAR training from Zhou Tai.

Sister could study under Cai Fan learning poetry, singing etc aswell as Admin stuff.

>>34072845
>wants to write even more creepy fanboy mail.

>>34072805
Our season is Spring and we already harvested and got our taxes. We won't get harvest until the fall. I say our first set should be a Rally, Recruit, and Train. We should also outfit our men in armor at least to begun with.

>>34072834
Both our character and Lu Bu are horse archers.

>>34072679
>>Visit and discuss with Chen Gong

>>34072805

Actually, I redid the numbers and I believe the numbers were off. We get 1080 gold for the entire year, we already got 540. We don't get 540 gold every season.

From the last thread:

>Spring and the new year soon comes. You gather some of the taxes and add them to your treasury. (+540 gold). Taxes and harvest will be obtained at the start of every Spring and Fall, to make things easier than at the end of those seasons.

I'm going to have to look at the numbers again, but we can fully equip the 2k cavalry and the 2k infantry but we won't be able to fully equip all the infantry.

Also I recommend improve farms as the summer action. We already got the spring harvest, so we should use spring to recruit troops and see how things go from there.

>>34072834
Xiliang had them, which makes sense as to why we haven't seen them.

>>34072805
Remember, we actually need gold to supply our troops with, otherwise they leave.

>>34072860
It would be the last at least

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>>34072679
>>Visit and discuss with Chen Gong

>>34072893
>Remember, we actually need gold to supply our troops with, otherwise they leave.

Raian said that we don't have to worry about gold upkeep costs afaik.

>>34072679
>Visit and discuss with Chen Gong

>>34072679
>Visit and discuss with Chen Gong
Only smart thing to do

>>34072893
>Remember, we actually need gold to supply our troops with, otherwise they leave.

Raian said last thread to not worry about gold for our troops and officers unless we do something ridculous like 50k troops.

The 540 gold is after upkeep.

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You ask a nearby guard where Chen Gong could be. He informs you that he last saw Chen Gong heading towards the inside garden of a administrative complex, and you head towards the disclosed location.

As the guard informed, you find Chen Gong standing underneath the patio of the garden, a small little building above a makeshift waterway. Dressed in his typical black robe and minister hat, you see the small-bearded man staring off at the distance with hands locked behind his back. With the flowers of Spring blooming, you cannot help but feel peaceful as you walk to Chen Gong.

“Liu Yao built this place, you know?” Chen Gong states as you come to his side from behind. “A peaceful but weak man that we killed to take his land.”

You let out a small breath of air.

“Do you hold regrets, Master Chen Gong?”

“Of course not,” he replies. “People must adapt to changing times. Liu Yao may have been an able minister and lord, but he was not suited for this era. People like he cannot change the way things are, nor take that step towards uniting the land. It is people like our lord, you and I that are to come top in these chaotic times. But even I cannot tolerate a man like Cao Cao who would butcher his own family.”

Chen Gong tilts his head toward you.

“And what brings you here, rather than heading back to Wu?” he asks with a smile.

>Ask Chen Gong if your decision was correct or not
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
>Ask Chen Gong what the other lords will do

>>34072934
>>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
>>Ask Chen Gong what the other lords will do

The first seems like a trap option, Chen Gong himself was indecisive last thread.

>>34072877
Then should we spend an action or two to improve the markets?

>>34072817
The rally is meant to not only get people fired up, but also get them willing to join the army. Right now, the people are meh to us, but Yuan Shu's actions are blasphemous for old china. If we use it right, we can have people join us willingly and in large numbers and higher moral. Who knows? Maybe loyalists will come to us?

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do

Shit I just noticed, if we are going to split Yuan shu's Territory with Cao cao in a join invasion Cao cao is going to be easily able to seize most of the population centres quite easily.

>>34072877
We should focus more on the markets, food isn't so important as long as we don't get too many troops.
Unlike gold we can't use it to support anything, or build things.

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
Other lords are most likely to ignore it, although figuring out how best to support the campaign would be good.
Can we also ask about Sun Ce too?

>>34072934
>>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
>>Ask Chen Gong what the other lords will do

Our course is set on this campaign. There is no room for doubt or regrets.

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do

We could really use input and information, here.

>>34072944
This.

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
>Ask Chen Gong what the other lords will do
There's no point agonizing about our decision once made. Knowledge and advice about accomplishing it are much more important.

>>34072934
>>Ask Chen Gong what the other lords will do

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign and what you should do

>Ask Chen Gong about trying to get Cao Cao to send some troops by using his position as protector of the emperor as leverage.

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
>Ask Chen Gong what the other lords will do

>>34072945
>>34072964

No, see >>34072903 >>34072922

We desperately need troops right now. We can't take it for granted that a single "Recruit" action will get us several thousand troops unless we've seen it in action.

I say we recruit first in Spring. It doesn't make a difference whether we improve market or farm in Summer because the harvest season is Fall. If we recruit first, we can adjust based on the numbers we get.

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong what the other lords will do
I'm kinda hyped to see Lu Bu interact with some of the now-famous generals and warriors that he dueled while under the Dong.

3 brothers v. 1 bu rematch when?

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong if your decision was correct or not
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
Ask about Sun Ce's letters and if they could defect too

>>34072934
>>Ask Chen Gong if your decision was correct or not
>>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do

>>34072952

Can we frame it as a recruiting action then with a rally add-on?

>>34073014
Not sure if it's going to be included, it's a mix of history and whatnot.
Liu Bei will certainly be a person who come across sometime or another in this campaign though.

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
>Ask Chen Gong what the other lords will do
Can we talk about Sun Ce with him, or?

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
>Ask Chen Gong what the other lords will do

>>34072945
MArket revenue is gained in the fall as well. We may as well do both in the summer along with training. Recruit, Train and another action in the spring and Fall.

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
>Ask Chen Gong what the other lords will do

Decision is made. Only planning now.

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
Ask about Sun Ce and getting him to defect

>>34073054
One recruit action will not get us 7k more men. We'll need to use multiple actions, and doing them all at once so we can then train the total force is more logical than recruiting peacemeal.

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
May as well include something about Sun Ce too.
>But even I cannot tolerate a man like Cao Cao who would butcher his own family.”
Nigga you killed his family too. Hell, in the TV series you were the one who instigated it!

>>34073049
>Not sure if it's going to be included

I'm sorta referring to

"At Si Shui Pass, I fought some brigand. A stupid, lowly bastard, but he put up quite a fight. I was to smote his head in until his brother came in to help. I believe their names were Zhang Fei and Guan Yu. If anything, I wish to fight one of them again... And kill that whiskered fool," Lu Bu says with a little vile. It seems some things happened at the second phase of Si Shui that placed bad memory on Lu Bu.

"I also fought some man named Xiahou Dun when I trumped that Cao Cao. He was not bad. Otherwise, I hear there is some lad called Ma Chao with the Qiang tribes that is particularly strong. Yan Liang and Wen Chou are said to be Yuan Shao's best warriors. I hear there is some capable man serving Gongsun Zan, but I forget his name."

He's at least familiar with a bunch of capable warriors, and he's apparently already dueled the peach garden bros.

>>34073054
So our treasury is currently 3140 gold after the Spring harvest.

We'll have 3680 gold that's for sure spendable by the end of the year, if we are departing on campaign at start of fall, we can have 4220 gold.

Since purchase is an instant action, we can upgrade a part of our army each season to make sure we don't fall short. If there's unforeseen circumstances, we want to have enough gold to take care of it.

>>34073033
Yeah, that could work. Even wrote a little speech in hopes it would improve the odds. Of course, when we train, we should get our all star warriors in on the training as well.

>>34073113
Ah, so he did include it, it didn't actually happen in history.

>>34073090
I agree, I'm for spamming 3 recruit options (with the rally write-in >>34073116) or 2 recruit options and 1 seek talented people.

I think for summer we can train, recruit, improve depending on our situation.

>>34072934
>Ask Chen Gong about the campaign, and what you think you should do
Talk about Sun Ce our #1 nigga too

>>34073115
Start of summer you mean.

I'm going to hold off on recalculating an army until we hear Chen Gong's ideas about how many siege engines and ships we need to bring.

I say we should at least get 3 more boats to defend our small transports.

>>34073165
Oops, yeah, I actually meant start of spring or summer.

>>34072805
I think we should get a few more boats. As you can see on that map where we are attacking is right next to the river so a naval battle is almost guaranted.

>>34073205
We have no idea if the campaign will require boats. Yuan Shu will be attacked by multiple warlords from several directions, it's likely he's going to turtle up rather than try and face forces in an open field (river) situation.

>>34073237
look at the map Boats will help extend the Range of our capability to strike which thins out how many troops Yuan shu can take with him when he takes the offensive.

>>34073237

That might be a risky assumption. We know for sure that the campaign will require transports by looking at the map.

I don't think we can afford to skimp out on warships and jeopardize a good portion of our army if there's even a slim chance that Yuan Shu/Sun Ce will attack us.

Plus warships are always going to be useful in the South so it's not really a bad investment either way.

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"Master Chen Gong, I have been thinking of the campaign and what plans I shall follow ever since the council. Even now I am thinking of my troop compositions and the right equipment to buy. Yet, I may not be able to perceive the situation as far as you. Please instruct me on what situation we shall see, and what the other lords shall do," you say to Chen Gong, clasping your hands together and doing a slight bow. Chen Gong lets out a small laugh.

"You are ever the worker, General. Then come, let me assess the situation for you," Chen Gong says turning around and motioning for you to sit on the table under the patio. He takes out a parchment from his shirt, and unfolds it upon the table.

"Cao Cao will likely attack in the direction of Runan. I suspect he will contribute only a portion of his troops, now that we have committed to the cause. His lands and territory are still unstable; I suspect that part of his plan in tempting us to attack Yuan Shu was to secure his own lands. Especially in the lands of Bing and the northwest still dominated by Qiangs. Liu Bei will no doubt attack as well; the man cannot disobey an Imperial decree. He will likely contribute a meager force I suspect as that crafty Cao Cao has only left him with a small portion of Xu before they made peace. As for Liu Biao..." Chen Gong shakes his head. "Liu Biao is a careful, if not, overly cautious man. I doubt we can trust him to contribute troops to this cause besides checking some of the enemy troops on his side of the Chang Jian. Likely, the man will not even battle besides a few skirmishes."

>>34073275
You look at the map. Our first target will be Hefei, and that's a land battle. Additional warships will not help logistics concerns.

>>34073237
>Yuan Shu will be attacked by multiple warlords from several directions
He's only going to be attacked (most probably) by us and Liu Bei.
To be honest, we'll be LUCKY if we can face them on water, as we've ALL seen that we have a huge advantage on water, so it's most likely that Yuan Shu will hole up defensively in castles.

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>>34073296
Chen Gong points out the directions of attack on the map, then looks to you.

"General Zhu, we will be attacking from the Chang Jian. We will need warships to fight across the river, then a sizeable army and siege equipment to take the forts until we finally reach Lu Jiang city. I ask that you recruit at some ten thousand men, give them some training, naval as well, and get some siege equipment. Our lord and his elite cavalry should hold little problem once we land. The river battle and taking the enemy forts and city is what I believe you should contribute. Do you have any questions?"

>write in questions
>otherwise, leave for Wu

>>34073303
No it isnt, our target is Lu Jiang

>>34073316
"Is there anyone I might be able to steal or wrest ships from, rather than having to tax Wu by building them?"

>>34073316
>write in questions
SUN CE!
ASK ABOUT CONVINCE SUN CE TO DEFECT!
MENTION THAT HE WAS NOT CONTENT UNDER YUAN SHU

>>34073090
Not necessarily, we don't know if a recruiting and training action are opposites in terms of determining the effectiveness of our final forces. Furthermore, we can only get them up to trained, while there are two tiers above that that we can only get from battles.
We have average troops right now, which is one tier below the best we can get from training, I think.
If it is a 1 to 1 conversion, then we can spend 2 actions training to 1 action recruiting and have the maximum effective fighting force that we can get through training

>>34073316
>>write in questions

Do we have any more information on the naval capabilities of Yuan Shu's forces?

And I guess the Sun Ce question because why not removing the enemy's best general is a good way to win.

>>34073365
No. The majority of the thread is against this.

>>34073365
fuck off homo

>>34073374
>>34073365
This.

>>34073316
>otherwise, leave for Wu
So ships and siege equipment. Glad we recruited Gan Ning so we have at least some naval experience.

>>34073316
Is it possible to get Cao Cao to send troops by using his position as protector of the emperor as leverage?

>>34073316
>>write in questions
I am trying to see if we can swing Sun Ce to our side, do you know anything more about the scion of Sun Jian that might be useful?

Do you think this is a worthwhile endeavor.

>>34073365
No. This idea has always been stupid.

>>34073316
So the main takeaways are:

>Lu Bu will be doing all the heavy lifting since the 3 coalition members are only sending meager forces
>Get 10,000 men army, focus on navy and siege equipment since we'll be doing river battles and siege

>>34073316
Right. So calvary is not really needed, but lots of ships, siege, and probably armor, spears and crossbow men. Lu Bu has us covered calvary wise, but we need to make sure the calvary can get to the shore first.

>>34073390
>>34073316
We should also consider doing naval drills with our forces just to be sure we dont have an army of sea-sick landlubbers

>>34073374
>>34073365
>>34073400
This.

>>34073365
>>34073374
Seconding

>>34073365
later man later.

>>34073316
>>34073365
this

>>34073316
>>34073365
It wouldn't hurt to ask now instead of having a shitstorm debate about it later

At least Chen Gong can give good practical advice

>>34073316
>write in questions
Ask him how many boats he expects, since we're not going to have the cash to buy enough for our entire 10k force.

>>34073374
>>34073365
>>34073400
This is a good idea.

>>34073427
>Later
When? When is later?

>>34073452
Never, since people who want to suck Sun Ce's cock should just leave this thread.

>>34073316
>otherwise, leave for Wu
Think we got enough. Let's go. And please ignore the samefagging Sun Ce-loving faggot.

Raian, I would really recommend getting a direct vote on the sun ce thing now, to forestall a shitstorm later.

Find out just how much support there actually is for this idea in a direct vote, rather than write-ins.

>>34073452
Not really. Honestly, convincing him to join is unlikely, but we COULD use the discontent to have him split Yuan Shu's forces in half. He did have a lot of followers, and if they bugger off to bug Cao Cao, it might make his decision bite him in the butt.

>>34073374
>>34073365
>>34073400
We may as well do it now, and have Cheng Gong shoot us out of the sky or support us.
It'd end any discussion on it, so may as well.

>>34073499

Theres regularly been a good amount of support for the idea.

If we can even redirect sun ce off to another area of china, we reduce most of yuan shu's military strength.

>>34073507
Lets put it this way.
IF he *DOES* Defect, then it would be to us in this case. After all, we are friends, we send letters, we live in the southlands.
This is just the final cream on the top.

>>34073499
Eh, there's nothing wrong with asking Chen Gong a question about how realistic it is to have an enemy general defect

If he shoots it down, then great debate over. If he says it's possible, then we can have an informed vote then.

Right now, both sides are just doing meta shit about Sun Ce. The only actual information we have about Sun Ce are from the duels and from the Q&A

>>34073537
>we are friends,
No, we are not. We're a guy he promised to kill and we've sent him creepy fanmail.

>>34073542
The relevant Q&A:

>What do we know about the Sun clan's actual influence in the Southlands now? Obviously they are not going to conquer Southlands but are the Suns still remembered fondly?

>1. None. The amazing thing about Sun Ce was he won the hearts of people in the South when he attacked it through his personality and sheer charisma. His connections to Sun Jian and having Zhou Yu gave some benefits, but otherwise, it was his own completes charisma. Seeing as how he never got to come to the South, even people like Zhang Zhao who was great friends with him doesn't care for him.

Take from it what you will

>>34073537
We aren't his friend. We are his rival. We gave him a nasty scar, made him, flee, occupy his land with his mom who he may or may not care for, and he is not one to bow to others.

Sun Ce is pretty much our Lu Bu in the fact that he will likely bite our hand.

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>>34073562

I cant help but laugh everytime I see that 'creepy fanmail' posted.

>>34073574
I take from that we'll be facing a rebellion sooner rather than later if we take him into our lands.

>>34073605
If we wind up accepting him, we better have some ways of controlling him: Keeping him out of the South, not giving him his own domain early, putting him under us, building relationship etc etc If we just recruit him and then forget about him, he's sure to be a headache.

I got no strong preference one way or another though.

>>34073677

Probably split up his base.

of the 4 uncles he has, 2 go to each city we have. To go under Lu Bu and Taishi Ci.

Sun Quan and Zhou Yu can stay with Sun Ce under us.

We might also need to release some of our own generals since we'll have a lot under us.

>>34073677
Hostages man either Sun Quan or SSX, we'll treat them well but a tiger doesn't change it stripes after all.

>>34073316
>>write in questions

"Master Strategist, who do you recommend from amongst our forces to head the shipbuilding and naval training? I have in mind Gan Ning since he was once a pirate upon these waters. Do you know of any other notable persons besides Gan Ning who are masters of naval warfare?"

>>34073677
>Keeping him out of the South,
No reason to believe him being in the south will help, look at >>34073574
> not giving him his own domain early
He's a general, not a lord. He doesn't GET land.
If anything a Marriage Alliance between our two families would make sure that we stay together.

>>34073712
This isn't a tiger. He's not the little conqueror.

>>34073712
>keeping this guy in our employ by taking his family hostage

Jesus christ you Sun Ce faggots are insane.

>>34073743

Zhu Xing started off as a general and now he's a lord and prefect/inspector of Wu. That's what I meant by having land, a powerbase through which you can rebel.

>>34073748
He's anti-sun ce you fucking idiot.
The fact is that if Sun Ce rebelled he'd be facing most of his family being killed at any point anyway. Sun Ce is a front line general, not a civil officer.
His family won't follow him around like a pack of sheep.

>>34073748
exploring options man what have you floated?

>>34073743
he is still the son of the tiger though the pun was fucking worth it

>>34073712

Hostage isnt a good idea.

We need to make friends with him and then maybe tie our family to him. We might be able to marry our sister to him or Sun Quan.

>>34073789
No, we need to kill him and his entire clan and move on. He brings absolutely nothing to the table we don't already have in spades.

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"In Yuan Shu's camp, there is a man by the name of Sun Ce. He and his men are strong naval commanders, and I suspect we shall meet them on the Chang Jian considering their expertise. He serves an incapable man, and I wish to get him to our side. Do you have any suggestions to do this?"

"Sun Ce?" Chen Gong says raising a brow. "The pup of the late Sun Jian? I have heard some few notes that he is capable... If you are to say he is powerful as well, perhaps I should take notes to get rid of him..." Chen Gong says rubbing his chin.

"Sun Ce is a man who acts just and loyal. He is indebted to Yuan Shu, foolish lord or not. We have also allied with Liu Biao who was the reason for his father's death. I do not know if we can get such a man to join our side. Try it if you must, but I advise the general to worry more about our lord and winning battles rather than trying too hard on getting an enemy general on our side."

"I see..." you reply. "Then besides these men, do you know of any other capable naval commanders on their side?"

"I do not think so," Chen Gong says with a shake of his head. "Yuan Shu's generals are experienced at fighting in the land. I do not suspect they will pose much of a problem. Though, the more I think of it, if Yuan Shu is not too big of a fool, it is likely we will be fighting Sun Ce and Sun Jian's old retainers at the river."

You nod to Chen Gong, and tell him you have no further questions. Bowing to Chen Gong, you bid him farewell.

"Safe travels General. And while being meticulous can be a key to victory, it can be detrimental as well. Have confidence."

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You return to the city of Wu. As of now, you still only have 5000 troops as you have spent the last few months attempting to clean up the city and raise support. Perhaps it is time now to recruit, train, and begin any other preparations you can think of.

>write in action focus for next three months

>All this Sun Ce dickcraving
Jesus fuck I bet you faggots would choose to marry the bastard if it was suddenly revealed that he was a chick

>>34073782
That reminds me of Ma Chao

Was there a bigger asshole in the Three Kingdoms than Ma Chao?

>>34073777
Zhu Zing started off as much less.
And to be honest, it's going to take him awhile to gain enough rank to gain land anyway. And at that point why WOULD he rebel? There's no point.

It's like Guan Yu rebelling against Liu Bei while he was in control of Jing Province.

>>34073812

Focus the vast majority of our time on recruiting. Use the rally idea >>34072952 if it would actually help with the recruiting.

Is it Spring or Summer now?

>>34073812
>write in action focus for next three months

Recruit x3.

We'll only get one harvest season, so building up either markets or farms will have minimal returns. We need to see how many troops we can get to start with.

>>34073812

Recruit

>>34073812
>Recruit
>Recruit
>Naval and Regular drill training.

>>34073812
Recruiting focus for the first two months. Follow up with drilling for both siege and naval.

>>34073812
Recruit recruit recruit.

Tell Gan Ning to train our troops in naval battles.

one thing to remember is that unless Sun Ce gets killed, he's promised to come to us for another duel.

Like Gongtai says, it's fucking weird to be chasing after him like he's Lingqi when all he's been is our closest "real" duel.

on the other hand, jesus fuck, if he joins us, we just visit and play go or duel or drink or talk until our relationship is trusted

>>34073812
Right, Sun Ce is a likely no go. First three Months: Rally to fire them up for recruiting, then double recruit? Also, let's get some stuff ahead of time just incase they try to raid or we need it. Don't assume the next year is peaceful. Maybe we should get the silk robe too to bolster recruiting and the rally further?

>>34073812
Recruit Recruit and Training (Naval and land)

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>>34073827
>Not having homoerotic thoughts and cravings about true warriors of the three kingdoms

Do you even Cao Cao?

>>34073876

Plus Zhu Xing's shit at improving things using his Pol. 40 gold with an above average roll was not encouraging.

>>34073827

>implying you wouldn't fugg genderbent sun ce.

Here's a big hint. Genderbent sun ce would probably have a complex about her father and be a warrior woman. That doesnt sound like anybody this thread wants to fuck, right?

>>34073946
Stop that.

>>34073946
>wants to

Past tense, anon.

>>34073812
>Use the rally idea if it helps with recruiting
>Recruit
>Train
If it's spring

If it's summer
>Use the rally idea
>Improve markets
>Improve farms

>>34073968
even if we've already fucked her, we still want to.

>>34073946
I believe you are talking shit about our waifu, in which case, you can fuck right off.

>>34073915
this

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>mfw reading this quest and watching three kingdoms at the same time

>>34074012

Try to ignore the irresistible urge to defect to Cao Cao

>focus on recruit troops, rally people to fight Yuan Shu
Roll 1d100, avg of three.

>>34073946
nope, too busy lusting over Holding hands and Cuddling Lu Bu's daughter

>>34074032
B-B-But his ability to use men of talent, his sharp wit, and verbal bitchslaps

>>34073812
>Write a letter to Sun Ce (Shouldn't take an action should it?)
"Bofu, it is time for us to fight once again for our lords. Under an Imperial Decree we are to fight Yuan Shu for assuming himself to be Emperor, no more needs to be said.."
"But, if the battle ends in our victory Sun Ce, then it would be wrong of me not to escort you back to the south lands, to re-unite you with your mother."

This is also to make Yuan Shu suspicious of Sun Ce, which has been proven multiple times (Lu Bu, Ma Chao, etc) to incite mistrust and defection

Rolled 72

>>34074058

>>34074012
Right now at episode 15.
Seriously that fucking Zhang Fei

Rolled 85

>>34074058

Rolled 43

>>34074058

Zhu Xing, please don't drop the spaghetti

Rolled 88

>>34074058
rolling

>>34073946
>Implying we didn't just fuck Genderbent Lu bu
>Implying we wouldn't

66.6

Not bad.

>>34074066
>>34074074
>>34074075

>66.6

Not Bad.

Rolled 16

>>34074064
"People of Wu! I come to you to talk to you about important matters! I am sure many of you have heard rumors of Yuan Shu calling himself Emperor and making his lands the state of Zhong. These rumors, as disgusting as they are, are true. It is disgusting that someone, with only his family's name and no real strength of body, mind or character would disgrace the very TITLE of Emperor so. Like a thief in the night, stealing things of great importance from the people and claiming it as his own, he mocks our way of life! What's worse, this rat will not be happy with the small kingdom he calls his own! Like he did but a year ago, he will likely try for Lord Lu Bu's lands once more! Last time, the fool attacked us while Lord Lu Bu was freeing Wu of the various bandits and miscreants here, hoping to attack us then while we were busy. HOWEVER, his forces were repelled, his great commander sent fleeing, and if that fool comes to invade Wu, I will see to it he his sent back with his rat tail between his legs! But, I cannot do this on my own. Brave people of Wu, Noble people of Wu, I request your assistance in protecting our lands and our homes! We must show this state of Zhong what TRUE men are like! All men who are outraged at this, all men who wish to protect your homes, all men who wish to prove yourselves in the fires of combat, volunteer yourselves to Wu's army! You shall be trained by our best, given proper wages, and have the chance to fight against this thieving rat Yuan Shu! In the name of the Han, Lord Lu Bu, and the TRUE Emperor, let's show Zhong what Wu is truely capable of!"

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Rolled 85

>>34074058
Lets go.

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>>34074075

Fuck,I just cockblocked a 88

>>34074072
Zhang Fei is a cunt, Guan Yu starts all right, but jesus fucking christ his ego when he's in charge of Jing

Why is all of Shu such a shit?

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>>34074113
They take after their leader.

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>>34074113

Wei Yan is the best though

>>34074110
I support this.

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>>34074112
>>34074113
pic related?

>>34074112
Don't be too hard on yourself. At least you didn't roll 14 or something

>>34074110
Wall of text
tl;dr

>>34074110
>>34074064
This is good. Lets include these

>>34074177
Let's not, faggot.

>>34074177
negative

>>34074064

The letter to sun ce is shitty but the making of yuan shu suspicious is delicious.

>>34074113
Hey, Zhao Yun was pretty cool.

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>everyone with this hard on for Sun ce
>even if we do somehow recruit him this will probable kill our alliance with liu biao

>>34074150
Absolutely amazing
did you make it?

>>34073812
>it is likely we will be fighting Sun Ce and Sun Jian's old retainers at the river

Are we about to get lampooned by the Zhou Yun?

>>34074207
>everyone

There's like 2 really dedicated cocksuckers.

>>34074209
Exactly why we should make him defect while we have the chance.

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>>34074150
I would have posted Cao Cao Trolls Yuan Shao HARD.webm but I seem to have misplaced it

>>34074229
oh great, LuBu just hulked out

>>34074208
Nope, found it on /eagg/.

>>34074207
But anon, this means we won't have to put that mediocre person Gao Shun on the Five Roaring Gales.

>>34074229
>dat 1

I'll take the dice's advice over yours, thanks.

>>34074229
Hooooo

Rolled 91

>>34074248
>Gao Shun
>Medicore

I will fite you m8

>>34074110
>>34074064
I'll support this. Even if the Sun Ce letter is shitty it's better than sending nothing at all

>>34074248
>Gao Shun
>Mediocre

I'll fight you

>>34074248
>talking shit about Gao Shun

i'll rek u m8

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>>34074248
you dissin my m8 gao shun?

>>34074209
Oh yes. Chang'an will be nothing compared to this confluence of spaghetti.

>>34074270
Just have to be careful about Zhou Yu. He might use it to make us think he want to defect and then trap us.

Bastard is crafty

>>34074207

As long as Liu Biao dies and Liu Cong comes up, things will be fine.

We also just need that cocksucker, Huang Zu's head.

>>34074244
I already diced once.

>>34074111
i just forgot to clear text in the email field.

>>34074248
>Gao Shun Mediocre
>Calling the Formation Breaker mediocre

He was actually Lu Bu's number 1 general historically.

>>34074292
We wouldn't accept a defection entirely.
Still have a duel to win, right?

>>34074292
Remember we don't know about Zhou yu so we can't exactly be extra cautious.

>>34074110
>>34074064
Can I include these or am I too late?

>>34074318
I fucking hope we end up killing him in a duel so that there'll be no more clamoring for his tiger dick

>>34074248
>Five Roaring Gales

Are we still doing this? Please let us still do this.

>>34074327
There's only so many ploys you can do in a naval engagement. We just need to listen to Gan Ning and we'll be fine.

>>34074346
then we take his sister as a concubine

>>34074346
It's really getting obnoxious, yes. Especially since Chen Gong basically said it was impossible.

Rolled 35

>>34074369

Then Lingqi cuts our dick off

Rolling for evasion

>>34074351
I hope we're still doing it. Every real 3 kingdoms warlord needs an Elite 5 pokemon trainers.

>>34074369
Having the sister of a man you killed in your bed rarely turns out well.

>>34074346

If we don't get murdered by him. Can we pick up reinforced armor before we head out on our campaign?

>>34074392
Your dick flops on the ground, alone and afraid.

I don't give a shit if you're pro-Sun Ce or anti-Sun Ce. We have to duel him at least once more and also, anybody who brings up Chang An in any sort of support for an argument is a retard who should shut the fuck up or leave the thread.

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For now you are in need of more troops and men for the future campaign. Right now the land has fallen in to shock and anger at Yuan Shu's declaration. It will be the best time if any time else to begin a recruitment drive.

You call Gu Yong to your office. You instruct him to write a memorial denouncing Yuan Shu and calling for men to stop the false emperor. Gu Yong goes to work right away.

In the next weeks, fliers are posted all over town and your men go around town reading the excerpt Gu Yong wrote for the populace :
"In this year, a villain has risen from the pits of garbage and vile. Yuan Shu, a man who holds no virtue for Son of Heaven, his ancestors, nor the people have chosen to declare himself Emperor. He has condemned not only himself, but his subjects and ancestors to frightful shame and indignity. He sits upon a false throne, fattening himself while the people under his rule suffer and grow weary.

The forces of Lu Bu will not tolerate this man. We shall march on the early Spring of next year, and obey the Imperial decree to end the traitor Yuan Shu. Let all virtuous men who wish to fight evil and remove a blight from our land join our cause."

On the coming months, thousands of men join the army on your side. They shout and scream, "Down with the False Emperor! Down with Yuan Shu!"

Your recruitment drive is a success. Your army goes to 10,000 troops in total, though now they are in need of training more than ever. Summer comes.

(+5000 troops, training goes back to Green level)

>write in actions for Summer

>>34074380
Wat.
No, he said we shouldn't do what Cao Cao did for Guan Yu, but we could give it some attention.

>>34074436
>screenshot

Is that a RTK Mountainblade mod?

>>34074369
>wanting shutd's

Nigga get the fuck outta here

other concubines are fine though

>>34074436

Train, Train, Search for Talent

Also can we buy more ships now since the troops need naval training?

>>34074436
Training lots of training. Land. Naval Battles. Siege Battles. We also need to buy siege weapons and ships.

>>34074436
wait, can we ask Gu Yong how many men we need to leave as a defending garrison?

>>34074436
>Training Naval and Land
>Improve Markets
>Improve Farms

>>34074436
>write in actions for Summer

recruit, train x2

We still need to get a garrison force.

>>34074436
Write a letter to Sun Ce along >>34074064 those lines
AS LONG AS IT DOESNT TAKE AN ACTION

>>34074465

I think that's the Medieval 2 Three Kingdoms mod.

>>34074436
>>34074478

Second this. If we have to leave like 3000 men behind, we only have 7k.

>>34074436

Training.

Purchase
Siege

We want some troops to get experience on those weapons too before we march.

>>34074507
I veto this mostion, there is no reason to

>>34074507
No. veto.

>>34074436
Recruit, Train land, Train Naval

>>34074436
We do training, naval and land.
Gao shun should help with the land training.
Gan Ning should help with the naval training

>>34074507
This.

>>34074436
>Recruit
>Train
>Train
>Store Time

>>34074536
>samefagging this hard

just go download some gay porn, faggot.

>>34074507
No stop

>>34074507
>>34074536
1 minute between posts

Thou hast overplayed thine hand sirrah

>>34074436
Right then, Double Training, and a Market should be good. We need to get all our military officers in on it. We should also start buying boats, armor, and siege. Actually? Maybe we can find a way to attach some siege to our war ships to sink enemy ships faster?

>>34074507
Seconding this

Otherwise:
Train/Recruit/Markets

>>34074552
okay the only thing worse than sun ce dicksuckers are people that claim samefag whenever people think differently than them.

>>34074507
Veto, just fucking vote to join Yuan Shu if you want to be with him so badly

>>34074507
eh may as well
>Train
>Train naval
>Improve farms

>>34074577
>a bit over 1 minute between all posts in support
>not obvious samefagging

faggot pls.

>>34074507
I don't see any real reason not to

>>34072851
I would like to bring forth this again.

Just incase we die so we dont end up being a 30 in everything brother

>>34074507

I'm picturing Sun Ce reading the letter and getting creeped out.

Is this some master strategy to psyche out our opponent? To freak him out to the point that he would retreat rather than duel us?

>>34074577
Fuck you. This is definitely one guy pushing it this hard. A lot of people see the merit in trying, myself one of them, but not to the point of putting it in every fucking action.

>>34074507
Seconding.

Train, train, recruit

>>34074436
>write in actions for Summer

Recruit
Train
Train
probably buy up another 1k xbows and 1k horses so those forces can train.

>>34074562
He's been doing this for 3+ threads now.

>>34074436
>>34072851

Also, allow brother to continue courting Cai Yan. He can always get second waifus when they pop up.

>>34074622
Yeah, but we have done everything that can be done. We just have to wait till we get to the battlefield to see itthrough

>>34074622
>>34074592


Personally, I think its two guys pushing it very hard. Which is not samefaggotry.

>>34074617
that would be hilarious, but not worth the chance of it succeeding.

IF we did it, it would be better to do it maybe a week before the invasion

>>34074602
Because everyone else is starting to think our obsessions with the guy is really weird?

I mean fuck, has the guy even sent a letter back? I bet he's getting creeped as shit over his fanboy

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>>34074617
>Zhu xing
>Feared warrior & General
>his enemies often received letters describing their demise

>>34074650

The wording from the elder zhang made it seem we were corresponding back and forth.

>2 months of training
>1 month of market

Buying equipment can come near the end, as there is no turn taking for it.

1d100 roll, avg of three for market

I hope we just kill Sun Ce.

Also I thought up of a style name for Zhu.

Weifeng.
Wei being mighty, and feng being wind

Rolled 19

>>34074690

>>34074641
We don't really need horses. Our primary role is to be the naval force. So more crossbows are likely better, along with spears for boarding and warship mounted seige to blow up other ships.

>>34074650
Considering Raian said that one of the officers said out CONVERSATIONS VIA LETTERS, were inappropriate, yes.
And considering this will sew discontent between Yuan Shu and Sun Ce, this is tactically a great move. One that Cao Cao used many times.

See Ma Chao and his uncle

Rolled 72

>>34074690

Rolled 76

>>34074690
Wait, what? market didn't get that much support.
Sigh.

Rolled 50

>>34074690

Rolled 63

>>34074690
LUCK BE A LADY TONIGHT

Rolled 2161

>>34074690

>>34074690
Raian, my man, how many troops are we leaving as a garrison force?

>>34074690

I thought recruit won over market?

What good is an extra 40-80 gold going to do for us over having a full garrison force?

Rolled 76

>>34074715
>1d20100
jesus mate, ain't that really a sphere?

>>34074701
This.
Even if the letter is creepy and shit, there's no reason NOT to send it.

>>34074733
Nothing, which is why this is disappointing.

>>34074749

Our POL is shit too. We really have no business improving markets or farms. Should have just done recruit, train, or search for talented officer.

>>34074733
Market only got 3 votes. Recruit got way more.

>>34074699
>>34074704
>>34074705
Then recruit it is instead of market.

>>34074718
However many you want. A thousand guards and soldiers are always assumed to be there not counting from your main force. If you are really fearful and afraid of a plot or something, you may leave additional troops behind.

>>34074740
Yeah, no. Still vetoing the letter. I have a feeling this will backfire really bad.

Also, I am picturing Dynasty Warriors Zhu Xing. Big guy, huge Window Boy that he uses for everything, and a strong desire to fight the strong. Like ancient chinese doom guy.

>>34074794
Can we send a (final) letter to Sun Ce, devised between us and Gu Yong to make Yuan Shu suspicious of Sun Ce?

>>34074794

An additional thousand or two should be fine then.

With Zhou Tai commanding.

>>34074701
I have to agree. Even with not liking sun ce much.

If yuan shu kills him, all the better for us.

>>34074825
>I have a feeling this will backfire really bad
How? Why?
Sun Ce wouldn't try something underhanded, he's too proud. So where is the risk?
The only risk there is, is for Yuan Shu to execute Sun Ce and his family, and that isn't a risk to us.

>>34074827
This

>>34074862
>Sun Ce wouldn't try something underhanded,

laughingZhouYu.jpg

>>34074862
>Sun Ce wouldn't try something underhanded, he's too proud.

Zhou Yu and his advisors can get him to do all sorts of shit, and they're smarter than us in both stats and a meta sense.

>>34074830
I think someone else would be a better choice. Zhou Tai is good at naval battles, which is what our segment of forces will be for.

>>34074876
Zhou Yu doesn't have a position in Yuan Shu's military I believe, and as such he wouldn't be around to command Sun Ce.

>>34074916

Do we know if he's good at naval battles?

I meant the dude's title is Captain of City Guards. Also no one else is really a good fit except Gao Shun and I need my Gao Shun fix.

>>34074876
>>34074909
You mean that guy who's even less known than Sun Ce has any influence at all in Yuan Shu's military?

Rolled 10

>>34074862
>Sun Ce wouldn't try something underhanded, he's too proud.
Famous.
Last.
Words.

And even if he won't, Zhou Yu almost certainly will
>>34074916
They're sworn brothers, he doesn't need to command him

The people that want to recruit Sun Ce want to for metagamey as fuck reasons.

Everyone else wants to kill him for also metagamey as fuck reasons or out of spite for the people who want to recruit him.

How about instead we play it by ear?

>>34074949
>you mean the guy who is sun ce's sworn brother and does all of the planning for him?

ftfy

>>34074958

By ear would be sending the letter regardless because at the very least it'll fuck with the relation between sun ce and yuan shu.

>>34074992
Just stop, cefag

>>34074951
>They're sworn brothers, he doesn't need to command him
What about the other officers?
You know, the guys who would go "Why the fuck is this guy we don't know commanding our troops instead of the well learned Tactician that gave us the strategy we're using?"
Oh, not to mention, if Sun Ce started doing that, guess who would get suspicious of him defecting?
Yuan Shu!

>>34074958
I just want to fight and beat him again so we can cement our reputation as a duelist.

>>34075005
we did pull a letters tactic on Taishi Ci and his lord

>>34074962
>All the planning for him
When he was independent from Yuan Shu, correct.
What about before that? Where did he receive his orders and strategies from?
Yuan Shu's forces. So what would happen if Sun Ce decided to take strategies from Zhou Yu?
Suspicion, unrest and more cause to believe he's defecting.

>>34075005

Letter tactic is valid.

We've used it. The Cow Cow used it.

>>34075026
No, I'm pretty sure our reputation is cemented as a creepy stalker.

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You focus a month on recruiting more troops. With Lingqi, you go around attempting to win more people on your side. Eight hundred more men join your side, Lingqi driving some of them away with her ferocity and anger. You promptly make fun of Lingqi, which she replies by kicking you in the rear.

(+800 soldiers, 10,800 in total)

With your command now in the ten thousands, you decide now is the time for training and drilling. You instruct all the generals to thoroughly drill and train the soldiers, while Gan Ning prepares the soldiers in naval exercise. Gao Shun shows great effectiveness in disciplining the men, while Gan Ning manages to get your troops up to part on the waters.

"Idiots! Remember that shooting an arrow on a boat is different from shooting one on land! Keep your feet straight, stand firm, take aim!"

Despite his boorish nature, and acting quite the opposite of Gao Shun in terms of discipline, you hear the men grow to appreciate Gan Ning who personally drills with soldiers and dine with them on equal terms despite being a ranked officer.

(Troops grow to Adept training, naval training is at an Average level)

You gain your income and harvests at Fall. (+540 gold, +500 food)

>write in for Fall

>>34075051
you are so mad its funny

>>34075051
Creepy stalker AND duelist? Basically that one Corbray from GoT?

>>34075056
>You promptly make fun of Lingqi, which she replies by kicking you in the rear.
best girl

>>34075051
Zhu Xing, Manifester of Spaghetti, Writer of Creepy Fanmails.

>>34075010
>>34075049
>>34075050
>>34075034
See!
There's no reason not to do it. It's a perfectly sound tactic.
Why is there even any opposition to it?

>>34075056
>Train
>Train
>Search for Talented Officer

>>34075076
three threads of obsessing over it

>>34075056

Purchase 3 ballistas and 3 Catapults for 600 gold.

Bring in Song Xian to train the troops who will man the siege.

Gao Shun trains cavalry, Gan Ning trains naval.

The rest of us do general training of the troops.

>>34075056
>write in for Fall
Train
Train
Search for Talent

>>34075056
Write a letter to Sun Ce to encourage him to defect and to sow discord between him and Yuan Shu.

>>34075076
because spite. You know how hesitation is now linked to benevolence for no reason? Now doing anything that isnt murdering the sun clan is considered sucking Sun Ce's dick. Even though, y'know, this thread has been built on sucking the dicks of Lu Bu, Gao Shun and Zhang Liao. Sun Ce is where we draw our faggoty fanboy line.

>>34074958
No, we have in character justification to want to kill him because Chen Gong just flat out said that he is unrecruitable since Liu Biao is the reason for his fathers death and is indebted to Yuan Shu.

Furthermore, he's making plans to off him. When your top adviser is making plans to off someone, you just do it.
>>34075056
>Naval training
>Search for Talent
>Search for Talent

>>34075109
Jesus fucking christ, no.

>>34075056

>>34075105
This sounds good.

>>34075056
Search for talent
Train
Limited campaign to subdue the barbarian tribes in the area to up public safety and troop experience

>>34075076
i just don't want to bother with it, we should focus on beating him first and recruiting him second

>>34075109
This, can we please get it over with?
It doesn't even take an action!

>>34075109

Yes please.

And >>34075105

>>34075109
Fuck that.

Rolled 90

>>34075109
this

>>34075105
sounds damn good

>>34075109
can you please drop the letter thing

>>34075056
yeah keep up the training and search for some talent seems good. We can leave the extra 800 with Zhou Tai when we head out.

>>34075127
This isn't ABOUT recruiting him, it's about making Yuan Shu distrust him.
Which means that:
1: He will not be fielded in battle and we will have more incompetent commanders to fight against
2: Possible rebellions and infighting
3: Stupid decisions made from it.
There's NO POINT, NOT TO.

>>34075109
Seconding while heartedly for the reasons above

>>34075148
The same two faggots have been keeping it going for three threads now, so it doesn't seem likely.

Rolled 47

>>34075056
>Train
>Search for Talented Officer
>Make brother train with Gu Yong and Zhou Tai and make him keep courting Cai Yan and make sister train under Cai Yan

>>34075051

A yandere who craves anyone with a WAR over 90. They'll join Zhu Xing or he'll stab the shit out of them

>>34075109
just send it already

>>34075109
STOP

>>34075188
No. Don't listen to samefags samefagging.

Raian, do a direct vote if you want that letter. It will not pass.

>>34075162
>There's NO POINT, NOT TO.

It's embarrassing to us.

>>34075109
Lets just damn do it already. It'll stop the stupid debate entirely

>>34075056
>>34075089
>>34075182

Adding this to my vote. Siblings need to get good.

>>34075056
Training in all areas. We want to have crack troops.

Roll 1d100, avg of three for talent searching.

>>34075162
1: calm down
2: infighting will probably happen with out a letter
3: sun ce is not that big a deal its his strategist that you need to watch out for

Rolled 89

>>34075222