Welcome to the Kidpunk thread!4th thread. Third one here: >>33931336Kidpunk is a genre in which children perform great feats of imagination while outside the supervision of adults. Think of Kids Next Door or Ed, Edd, and Eddy.Kidpunk broadly encompasses those series featuring children protagonists who accomplish amazing feats of engineering, science, technology, or so on through childlike architecture or techniques that wouldn't really work for adults.A common element is the unstated assumption that everything happening in the setting might just be the childrens' imaginations - so the KND tree fort is just an ordinary treehouse, Dexter's Lab might just be a science kit and an overactive imagination, EE&E's jawbreakers aren't actually twice the size of their heads, et cetera. On the other hand, perhaps children tap into a kind of magic that they eventually grow out of, magic powered by imagination that actually makes their thoughts become real.The Kidpunk RPG system is a d20-based system that aims to capture the feel of this style; you play a kid with an incredible imagination, taking part in fantastic battles with weapons real and imaginary. Imagination is a valuable resource, and a careful balance must be struck between how cool your friends think you are, and how much your parents dote on you.Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NNxWS1kiuZuViMDMgtfs5a1A-6AYRx6dhfK6SrwxdBo/edit#IRC chat: Rizon #kidpunk
Reposting this so I have it convenient later:Dreamer - "Aw no, we're getting our buts kicked. Better go make an exploding volcano. Again." - Greg Parker, showing that a Super Mega Wizard's work is never done.Imaginary Best Friend - "Hi, meet Gregor." - Amanda Dunkleman, introducing her foes to her sixty foot tall T-Rex.True Believer - "Hahaha! You cannot defeat Captain Amazing!" - Captain Amazing, who has the secret identity of Ralph Cotton.Cheater - "What? No, it's totally legit!" - Kevin, being a total cheaty-McCheaty pants again.
>>33952250Not sure if the text for True Believer fits. The True Believer is intended to be that Special Kid (in fact, that was their original name) who is too stupid to tell fantasy from reality. That text just sounds like a kid playing pretend.
>>33952195http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/33931336archived Kidpunk 3
>>33952282Except the quote isn't from the kid, it's from the "super hero". The flavor is a bit subtle, but that was my intention.
>>33952282Anyone catch the mom and dad doodle?Should they be punked more? Or should they remain normal?
>>33952314They look fine.
>>33952314We'll put that in the adults page unless anyone has any objections. I saved it to put it there whenever. Thinking of maybe putting the mom on one side of the page and the dad on the other side of the page and wrapping the text between them.
>>33952282See, how I saw it was the kid pretending to be goku or whatever, despite not actually having superpowers.He's the gish to Dreamer's wizard.Not necessarily too stupid to know fantasy from truth, though those would certainly be a type.
>>33952344That sounds like a good idea actually. You able to split them up yourself or should i upload a pair of split up versions?
I wouldn't use roman numerals in the subject. That's something commonly seen in quest threads and triggered my "hide thread" reflex.
>>33952370I can split them up. It's nothing more than an MS Paint job.
>>33952314Adults should be minimally punked. The punkiness is more or less exclusive to children, after all.
>>33952358Not familiar with the term "Gish", but I get what you're saying. Still, I think my quote works both ways
>>33952314I agree with >>33952434adults should look very pedestrian.As for all the other art, don't angst too much about how punk or non-punk it should look. The ones you made before looked great and we'd be thrilled if we had one per class just like the ones we already have.
>>33952434Yeah, if there are adults that are kidpunked they should be goofy over the top villains a la Toilenator, Common Cold, Mr. Wink and Fib, Father.
>>33952434Or Adult villains. So, "punked" version of parents are good if they angry
>>33952450you're on /tg/ and don't know the word gish?Okay, that's.. bizarre. It's like a person who casts spells on themself to make them a better fighter.
>>33952477Or his evil neighbor ¡LUCHADORS!
>>33952497Frankly when i heard gish i thought of one of Edmund McMillan's early games. But hey the more you know.
>>33952450Gish is a spellcaster that does damage through physical means; mostly using magic to self-buff and such.
>>33952497>>33952545Got it. So it's like a Shadowrun Adept; I don't cast fireball I just dodge your bullets and punch through you.
I'm writing the Scrapper class right now, and I had a really interesting idea.If we're going with one-page-per-subclass, maybe we should have a one- or two-paragraph story from that class's point of view, just fluff text to sort of show their preferred mindset or combat style?If we do that, we should have a "character" for each subclass that's consistent across the document. So, maybe the Scrapper could be seen in fluff text beating up Greg Parker and Kevin simultaneously, as in the quotes in this post: >>33952250
>>33952581Like the DnD and Pathfinder iconics?
>Cheater>basically the That Guy class>being named anything other than Steve
>>33952581I like it, but I don't like the idea of our viewpoint characters fighting each other. We should instead have, like, four teams of four, each featuring a member of each class. Like a team of Scrapper, Sniper, Buddy, Cheater or the like. That way we can show how classes work together.
>>33952637Yeah. They should have a consistent name and archetypal characterization, as if this system was actually developed from observing 16 kids. Each one is the POV for their own fluff text and occasionally show up in others' fluff texts as well.We might make some complete character sheets out of them for examples' sake or for samples used in a potential starter/sample campaign. I know that's way down the line, but it's best if we decide up front we want to do that.>>33952672There's no reason we can't write those as well, or for example have a Buddy backing up a Bully in the Bully's fluff text, stuff like that.
>>33952696Yeah, but you were saying "have the scrapper beat up Greg and Kevin". We can't have our Icons be "the bad guys" or fighting each other. It makes it hard to figure out who to root for.
>>33952742That's just it, none of them are really the bad guys, they're all just playing pretend. Plus, it's not really intended to be a neutral point-of-view thing.
What happened with the guy who was going to GM this anyway?
>>33952850We're way too early to actually talk about running a game of this yet.I'm free Tuesdays and Fridays.
>>33952774I don't think my reason for my objection is coming through clearly. I apologize and will try to make it more clear.The problem with Icon vs Icon combat is that, for one Icon to be winning in his fluff piece, it means another Icon must be LOSING. It's hard to generate excitement about, say, the Dreamer class when the Icon is getting his butt handed to him in the Scrapper fluff. It makes Scrapper look better at the expense of the Dreamer.
>>33952880Oh then I'll help and see if I can speed things up.Do you have skype?
>>33952891Well, the Dreamer fluff would show the Dreamer dominating others - so I don't see why that's a problem. Everyone has their day in the limelight, nobody is objectively the best.
>>33952911Yeah, like the TF2 Meet the [Class] videos. Each of the classes makes the rest of them look super lame in their own video.
It needs to be filled in with the actual content, but this should give you a sense of what a subclass's page will look like.
>>33952911True, but then you have to absolutely make sure that each class gets its butt kicked the exact same number of times. If a class gets its butt kicked more/less often than others, players will notice and (even if only subconsciously) rate those classes as worse/better than normal. This is a legitimate design concern when dealing with fluff.
>>33952973Really? It seems kinda autistic to actually count who wins or loses the most in the fluff text.I mean, I see what your point is, I'm just not sure it would seriously matter.
>>33952581Little stories that inform us about the character in question? I like that idea. I'm working on a Rowdy Girl and True Believer Doodles right now. Maybe might help for write faggotry.
>>33952996Okay, first, that is not autistic. In fact it's in the oposite direction as an autistic would be more number and crunch focused. What we are discussing is the idea of Narative Influence, the very real human tendency for stories to have an impact on our thoughts and opinions. It's been proven that stories often have more of an impact or influence on people's decision making and opinions than cold hard facts.
>>33952996It's about making players excited to play it.Nobody wants to play something that looks like it sucks.
>>33953088>>33953093Well, it's not worth arguing about it.Might we want to make some other kids as characters, then? Maybe kids from the Other Neighborhood or something? I still like the idea of the fluff text showing off what they do best.
>>33952998Okay a super hero themed True Believer and a Rowdy Wild Kid.
>>33953123Young Captain Underpants?
>>33953123These are great. Did you see >>33952960That's where your art is going. I think it'll look really neat and professional to have one for each and more for some of the other sections.Your artwork's going a long way towards turning it from some over-thought words on paper to an actual core book.
>>33953119I agree. If we show the Icons at their best, we can make players excited about the classes. I like the idea of another team of kids, but a 16 vs 16 brawl seems excessive. That's why I'm proposing we have 4 little fluff stories going on with Teams A, B, C, and D each having their own adventure. Team A could be fighting other kids, B is fighting purely imaginary foes (goblins or something), C is fighting a giant monster, and D is fighting an evil Adult. It shows off the Icons abilities, AND shows the different types of adventures the characters can have.
>>33953194Actually, another kidpunk example I think.
I think each Iconic's story should focus not on kicking another specific kid's ass, but on how well they contribute to their team. When a conflict between two kids is played for drama(and not for tactical purposes, like a Jock smashing Nerds, Cuties and Wierdos would be), their opposition should be treated respectfully, like a worthy opponent.
Would this qualify as kidpunk? Or is it too edgy?
>>33953498Never read it myself. Did remember seeing promos for it at the back of ./hack/ mangas back in the day. Edgy things can count as kidpunk. After all South Park counts as kidpunk.
>>33953498certainly some similarities. At least as far as kid characters and no real adults.But the one I saw of it there were aliens coming down, and people getting clubbed to death. Also the baby sister spelunking to find her abortioned even babier sister. Is it truly all in the kid's heads?I also saw no improvised cardboard tech, no adults being oblivious..I don't think so.
>>33953265Yes I did see that. And it kinda sorta makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Thanks Anon.
>>33953629No, I luv Halloween is more like... actually psychotic children. They load up apples with razor blades, and one of the last panels of one of the issues shows a cop choking on the blade and spitting up blood.
>>33952434>>33952474>>33952487Question about teens and adults:Not to get all weeaboo, but what about "chuunibyou" teenagers? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ChuunibyouMade famous by the animu of the same name about a bunch of highschoolers who haven't gotten over the delusion of being special.Would they be allies of the kids, or just a really weird type of opponent/obstacle?
>“This guy botherin’ you, kid?” - Carlos Twain stickin’ up for the little guySo how do people picture the tough kid? I'm picturing some hoodied protector kid? Someone who uses markers to draw on muscles? A kid covered in bruises? Big and quiet type. Sorta like pic related from Camp Weedonwancha.
>>33953942I love that Anime, and it's a good example of teens that might show up. Villains or allies depends on what they're pretending to be. A magical girl would of course help the children, but a would be Dark Lord is a serious foe.
>>33953942Usually when someone says "Not to get all ____" they're about to get very very "____".But this is the same kind of... Young at heart thing? The Teenager that refuses to acknowledge he/she's growing up. Like going on the kiddie slide thinking its still fun only to find out they're too big for it. Its sort of considered as something like... "Young at Heart" and could be a good or bad thing.
>>33953961I was thinking of changing the Scrapper's name and making the Tough Kid's name Todd 'The Fifth Grader" Touchet since I picture him as the older kid who stands up to bullies and protects the younger kids.
>>33953998Come to think of it they'd make pretty good BBEGs, I'm picturing one who knew how to "hide their powerlevel" around adults to get the kids into all kinds of trouble when one is around, but also engages in epic imagination battles with them when they're not.
>>33952477I like the idea of splitting adults into two groups: You have normal adults that imagination doesn't work as well around, and who are drawn normally, and you've got the cartoonish adult villains who are drawn in the same style as the kids. The irony being that despite talking about how much they hate children and fight them, they're basically big immature children themselves that use the imagination stat just as much as the PCs.
>>33954039An idea I've just had. They have a good imagination pool for their age and a couple powerful imaginary abilities, buts that's all they have. They don't have a kids sheer flexibility, but make up for it ith raw power and higher "being older" stats.
>>33932150no it would be more that they get healing from foods that normally wouldn't do so, like say the kid from Ruritania recovers some health by eating half a Liverwurst, Onion, and Stinky Goat Cheese Sandvich, but gets a small social penalty for doing so>>33932401who didn't?(a much bigger minefield was who did you ship Numbah 1 with?)>>33938180I got Detention several times in 6th grade and at least once in 5th(mostly for forgetting math assignments, but also once for threatening to set a teacher's waste basket on fire)
>>33953961I was thinking the knight kid with the broom, pads and helmet. He looks pretty tough.
>>33954032Hm... Yeah I could see that. Here have this robin hoodie kid then and see if that would work. Let me know what you think and i can tweak him if need be.
>>33954227see, I almost feel like swapping those two.Tough guy doesn't feel he needs armor, he's just that tough.Scrapper being the more Fighter-y class anyways.
>>33954227Damn that's a good idea. Like a heavilly armored kid? Might give that version an attempt.
>>33954271Ah good point. He takes the damage like a champ... Like some messaihnic big kid who takes the beatings little ones can't.
>>33954271Hmmm, I guess. Just a sugestion.>>33954258Okay, that is freaking awesome.
>>33954258he looks like the bully from Chalk Zone...(not that that is a bad thing)
i dunno how to add this to the doc
Hmmm, looking at the art we already have, I think we got the Nerd Tinker and Sniper covered. We have a kid with a bunch of throwing weapons and one messing with a potato battery after all.
>>33954416Handled it for you.Go to insert>image and once its inserted you can click the image to set up text wrap.
So, KNDNigel - MastermindHoagie - TinkererKuki - DitzWally - RowdyAbigail -???I'd think sass, but she never really insult fought or gossiped.
>>33954526I dunno she always had a cool line to say to the villains before she escaped. She was a cool kid. Knew the ropes and helped people out... Buddy?
>>33954508image is greyed out. do you have to be signed in to insert images?
>>33954590I wouldn't think so... and even if so I was signed in... and it doesn't appear grayed out to me.
>>33954573but that wasn't her fighting style, that was just her personality.Her fighting style was really.. ninja-y?No insults were used for will damage, except for maybe when fighting her sister.
Can SSP be used for things other than Nuh-uhs?I would think so.
we should list every class, subclass, and interest/trait we are currently including for clarity purposes, cause I'll admit I'm starting to get a little lost in that area>>33954621well Heinrich too(and to a lesser extent Stickybeard)
>>33954621Yeah, I agree. She had the Cool Kid trait, but was more of a Scrapper.
>>33954621she was more like an action hero bard.in the sense of high charisma and Dex.
>>33954666>>33954621Cool Kid Scrapper with Interest: Martial Arts.
>>33954689more like interest Indiana jones
>>33954689There we go. Fits her fighting skills, cleverness, and ability to throw zingers.
>>33954727what about 362?
>>33953942I suppose there could easily be houserules regarding teens who don't know they're teens.
>>33954689>>33954718more like interest: Candy(see: every episode with Heinrich and most with Stickybeard, and the episode about the Fourth Flavor of Ice Cream)
Here guys have a solo image version of the Imaginary Best Friend girl.
>>33954768you get multiple interests, because they're just flavor.Sweets, Indiana Jones, and Martial Arts would all be possible.ClarenceClarence - DreamerSumo - Rowdy?Jeff - Know-it-allWe see everything without the imagination goggles, but it's all there.
>>33954768Actually, that kinda fits his Indiana Jones idea. All thae were classic treasure hunts, it's just that the treasure was candy instead of gold or the like.
>>33954817Is she punky enough with the funny hoodie? or is she okay? Forgot to add that on.
should we have Class traits --> Subclass traits?Like all Jocks get +1 phys and then the subclasses each have more specialized traits.
Okay, next!Ed, Edd and EddyEd - MastermindEdd - Know-it-All, maybe multiclassed into TinkererEddy - Special/True BelieverNaz - BuddyJonny 2x4- Imagination Friend (Plank)Sarah - Tattler (I'm telling mom!)Jimmy - ??? Kevin - Sassy/Gossip or maybe Bully. Most of his doing was insults not physical attacks. Was his intent to cause pain for his fun, or cause social degradation to boost himself as alpha?Lee - Rowdy i think. While she tries to be bossy, nobody listens, and she really likes getting in fights.May - DitzMarie - Tinker (she can fix REAL cars even)Rolf -ROLF, SON OF A SHEPHERD, IS TO BUSY FOR YOUR ED-BOY GAMES OF TOMFOOLERY! LEAVE NOW SO I MAY HARVEST THE SUGAR BEETS!
>>33955001wasn't this already a thing?
>>33955001I thought that Jocks Nerds Cuties and Weirdos were like Catagories of Classes. Like Martial Smart Social and Magic classify things from Warriors to Barbarians, Wizards to Sorcerers.
>>33955088you got Ed and Eddy swapped round there pall.
>>33955088Jimmy struck me as either Sassy or... On one occasion, the Cheater. He's used his charms and deceptive cuteness to pull off nefarious things.
>>33955130so I did. sorry about that.
>>33955152when did Jimmy lay down a social smackdown?
>>33954859So as it stands we got Drawings for 6 classes.All 4 of the Jocks and 2 of the Weirdos. I can maybe try to do two more sometime tonight and call it there. Any particular requests?
>>33955001that's a possibility if it doesn't add too much complexity, also we need a different name for the Nerd subclass Sniper cause that's a little too specific and not very kid oriented(I'm thinking something like Hardcore Gamer since that's where we got the idea initially and it's a reasonably large area of inspiration)
>>33955188how about a Ditz and a Mastermind
>>33955174He got the eds in trouble during the friendship day debacle, without tattling, by simply making a convincing victim and laying red herrings. And I think he has outscammed eddy once or twice. Otherwise normal jimmy strikes me as a buddy. He's always with Sarah after all.
>>33955196While I've shown how the system works for most everything else, I can't even figure out a kidpunk show example of a Sniper.So... Are we sure it and it's mechanics are even a thing that belongs here?Unless you can think of an example
Once a lot of this is cleaned up, I think I want to run a game taking place during the 1950s or 60s, maybe with some darker undertones along with the cheery and imaginative areas of play. Also kids could order stuff from the back of comics and talk about getting powers from atomic radiation (as apposed to the non-atomic variety?)What do you guys think?
>>33955258I could see it.
>>33955249Frankly the "Kid with a slingshot" is a thing i see in cartoons a lot generally. More a Kidsy stereotype in general. There's always the kid that pretends to shoot things with lasers or cowboy guns. I can imagine a kidpunk version of a "Sniper" would be the Six-Gum Gang from a few episodes of KND.Maybe we can rename Sniper to Slinger to make it more flavor neutral. A kid that either zaps things with a laser gun, or uses a slingshot like the Beano, or has a genuine red rider BB gun.
>>33955334does it really fit the nerd archetype though?
>>33955334it's not really an archetype though.Kid with a squirt gun is not really a special manner of play, is it?It's just a kid with a squirt gun.I sort of see what you mean, but at the same time.. No, not at all.What about that KND kid with the yo-yos? Where he used his equipment to do all kinds of things that shouldn't be possible? I feel that would make more sense as far as a lot of the slingshot/laser kids than just "has more range and damage"Using equipment to do bizarre things.That seems pretty nerdly.
>>33955372It really is hard to say. Not very well is indeed the answer. But it doesn't really fit anywhere else either, but its one of those quintessential kiddy things kids pretend to do.Honestly if you pretend to use guns and are good with them, strikes me more of a nerd. The kids that use squirt guns or nerf guns... I'm guessing thats the excuse for having it in nerd rather than jock. Unless there is a nerdier way of saying "Kid that throws things at things".
>>33955334>>33955372maybe we could bring the Prankster back as a full Sub-Class since that might fit better as a Nerd type(not to mention be less specific than a Slinger would be, since it could cover traps and distractions as well as long range attacks) since being good at pranks tends to require at least some smarts
All kids have ranged weapons options though.You could be a scrapper with a bow. (rangers?)A rowdy that throws rocks/boulders.Or a tinkerer that built a rapid-fire missle launcher.Being a ranged fighter is already a thing other classes are doing. Any other class is doing.
>>33955481>>33955445Using equipment to distract, to do traps, to swing over a bridge, to tie a guy up, to disarm a badguy, I think this is a possible thing.Prankster is too specific a name though. You're not just limited to pranks. Pranks is a flavor of how it could be played.
>>33955481Yeah if we're going with "Nerd as Social Outcast" then yeah a Dennis the Menace type class that functions as the ranger (Close Range and Long range Trouble Making Combat), that could fit.
>>33955517>>33955520>Prankster is too specific a name though. You're not just limited to pranks. Pranks is a flavor of how it could be played.What about Menace?Fits the theme of making someone's day bad with tricks-y things that could be pranks... or overengineered science fair volcanos. Slingshots, or rube goldberg machines. Stinkbombs or Bottle rocketsYou either play with it as pranks... Or just general ruffian-y things science fair things.
>>33955088>Rolf -ROLF, SON OF A SHEPHERD, IS TO BUSY FOR YOUR ED-BOY GAMES OF TOMFOOLERY! LEAVE NOW SO I MAY HARVEST THE SUGAR BEETS!
>>33955517>>33955520maybe as a nod to both Dennis'(the American and British one) we could call it The Menace>>33955550I see great minds think alike
>>33955550We HAD a prankster class and we replaced it with Sniper.We're really zigzagging on this. Can we please choose one or the other?
Okay, Tinker's are already building contraptions,how do we distinguish them?
what about something more on the theoretical side that's good at physics and calculating probability and stuff? or would that fall under mastermind? or are masterminds more tacticians?
>>33955635I can see Tinker as a vehicle specialist.By the way, I think Tinker sounds better than Tinkerer. Tinkerer sounds awkward.
>>33955648I can see that. That class plus Interest:Scifi would lead to a Dexter kind of character, whereas that plus Interest:Fantasy might lead to an alchemist, and so on.The acid test for if an archetype would fit or not is to ask how several different Interests would translate in it.
>>33955630we removed prankster because we decided it was a flavor interest, not a class.We removed sniper because we realized it's either a weapon choice or an interest, not a subclass.But now we've figured out what we should have done, an we're working on creating the thing it would be a flavor to, and then making sure we don't already have it somewhere else.
>>33955635Well menace isn't about making contraptions... its more about using underhanded tricks... I was only making mention of science fair projects as like just a flavor of menace... (Maybe like a saboteur class? a kid thats good with messing with contraptions....) That said its a lot of brainstorming... I think we can drop the Building traps part of the menace... and leave it as just using traps (could be pranks could be something else) and long range weapons. You are right the zig zaggery could be problematic.
>>33955652Hoagie P Gilligan is a tinker.He build weapons, builds vehicles, builds gadgets.How would this concept be different?>>33955671So, not a builder of traps necessarily, but a Rogue. The sneak attack-y type.Yeah, a guy a while back suggested a creeper as a sneaky type, but this seems better.
>>33955635I'd say the difference is practicality, like a Tinkerer would defeat a group of delinquents by building a gatling gun that shoots pencils(so Direct Damage), while a Menace would use an El Mungo Stink Bomb to stun the jerks, just like Big Bro taught him(Indirect Stat Damage)
>>33955686It doesn't really fit under Nerd though. I could see it as a Weirdo subclass maybe. We could move Cheaters under Nerd.
>>33955731It depends if we consider Nerd as social outcast who is good at something, as compared to just social outcast. Do Nerds Cheat? or do Weirdos Cheat?
>>33955731that is a possibility
>>33955731Meh a Cheater strikes me as someone who uses imagination to one up anything... rather than just INT based things, which could be the implication if we swap Menace and Cheater around.
>>33955731No, it's totally a nerd.It's all about out thinking your opponent.
>>33955726so tactical debuffers?Not even necessarily using pranks?Yeah. works for me.
Let's acid test it.Can all kinds of interests be applied as flavor?
>>33955798well Pranks would be the primary way(since that's somewhat iconic to the Archtype), although I'm sure a Menace would have other means of doing so(since they'd probably be the most athletic and social Nerd Sub-Class at the cost of being not quite as smart as the other Nerds)>>33955842I can't think of any listed in the document that couldn't be used as flavor
Instead of Menace couldn't be something like Mad Scientist.Sounds more kid like and nerdish
>>33955842Question 2. Does it overlap with any existing class?Question 3. Is it something all other classes should have access to, or is it a special role?
I think I'm starting to grasp the concept.
>>33955855Mad Scientist was an early idea but again it limits the flavor to just that... Science. And there are more to nerds than just science.The way I see it you can have a Mad Scientist Flavored Menace for the whole making chilisauce waterbaloons flavored as firebombs, Or a Supervillain themed Menace Professor Chaos anyone?, or standard Dennis style menace.
>>33955853Okay, let's discuss calling it prankster.can you think of ways other classes could use pranks as a flavor?
>>33955929Prankster implies someone that likes causing trouble and getting people in trouble or embarassed... which can make it work as flavor.A Rowdy Prankster kid, that seems to fight in ways just to make other kids look foolish. A Dreamer Prankster who loves causing trouble, would probably have an imaginary friend like Bendy.
>>33955855the Tinker kinda covers that role, the Menace meanwhile is in many respects the Bard of the Nerd Sub-Classes in that he's more athletic and social but isn't quite as smart(for example a Tinker isn't social enough to realize how building a 1/100th scale working model of Pompeii for the Science Fair is going to piss off most of the other students, while the Menace is social enough to be at least somewhat discrete in who he targets with his pranks)>>33955913yeah the kid from Home Alone is a prime example of a Menace(Bart Simpson is another)>>33955929well a Bully could prank someone with the old Hurtz Doughnut routine(Physical), and a Gossip could prank someone by telling them that someone likes them and they should do something that ends up embarrassing them(Social), while a Menace will do it in a way that has aspects of both, like chucking a two-month old carton of milk at them or trapping them in a Rube-Goldberg machine that ends with them hanging from the flag-pole in their underwear(Temporary Stat Debuffs)
>>33955997yeah, okay so it does.Which means pranks remains an interest not a class name.Which means yeah, prankster doesn't work, it needs a broader name.And menace.. seems weird.>>33955958this guy was... half there I guess?Nothing implies debuffing though.
>>33956041Instead of menace then, which you normally don't see a nerd doing, can't he be crafty? witty?
>>33956047>Nothing implies debuffing though.I thought we were talking about setting traps like >>33955913 and >>33956006
>>33956041>yeah the kid from Home Alone is a prime example of a Menace(Bart Simpson is another)If you're looking for a class name, how about Brat? That's where Bart got his name.
>>33956072are those not debuffs?BRAT! Brat works.
>>33956047it's not the best name but it works as it homages the two who basically created the archetype(the American and British versions of Dennis the Menace)>>33956069while it's not a perfect fit in the Nerd grouping it is a sub-class that would definitely be MNT focused over PHY or SOC(and while IMN is important it's not all-encompassing like it would for a Weirdo Sub-Class>>33956097>>33956105yeah Brat is probably best
>>33956097Dennis the Menace is a bratBart is a BratHome Aone kid is a brat.it works.
>>33956170Actually Rascal works better than brat.
>>33956170>>33956182yeah even better cause Brat is kinda negative when you think about it, but Rascal can have positive leanings
>>33952385>inb4 saves as jpeg
>>33956182>>33956196Oh alright sweet.So that's it with the classes?
>>33956196>a person and especially a young person who causes trouble or does things that annoy people>a cruel or dishonest man>a mean, unprincipled, or dishonest person>a mischievous person or animal
>>33956221yeah, but brat can only be taken sort of negatively.Meanwhile if you look at rascal under the "mischievous person" definition, it can be just lighthearted mischief.Brat is what you call people you don't like.Rascal can be that, but can also be endearing.
an example of the sort of thing a kid with an Imaginary Best Friend would create
>>33956381and menace is absolutely negative.I've never heard menace used in an endearing fashion once, not even ironically like I might have brat.
>>33956211Yeah Looks like it. Which is good cause it means i can safely start cracking on the rest of the class doodles without fear (Hopefully). Otherwise I'm feeling pretty drained for tonight so have this last doodle for now. Might still be able to chat. Its the know it all by the way... With factoids in her pockets... and a Plunger lightbulb hat... Could re-do if need be.
>>33956391seems pretty Believer/Special to me.As is Shazam.
salvaged from previous threads.tinker?
>>33956414Looks great. Definitely fitting the KIA.
Possible qoute idea for the cheater..."No! Sword attacks don't work on me because... I'm invincible! Because... Mann-o-machines son! (Or something else if that other thing is too referance-y)" - Cheaty McCheatface AKA Chester Aldrin being a big fat cheating cheater who cheats again.
>>33957296"What?! No that didn't hit! You totally missed!" - Little Jimmy Rutherford after clearly being hit with a laser, for the fourth time.
I'm a bit stuck in Mastermind's ability.So far it's All According to Plan! - Grants him and allies bonus stats with Imagination (?)DeltaAlpha720MamaBird Formation - It’s time to use...that - Just doesn't feel right if they're all just boosting stats
>>33957375Making DeltaAlpha720MamaBird Formation into speed buff
>>33957375Rename all according to plan as Leadership.Needs to be something where they can retcon/improvise an elaborate plan into being laid right when it was needed..I vote that be called "all according to plan."Fake being Xanatos.
Tommy Pickles - Buddy (supportive of the others, especially chuckie, who needed constant reassurance and help. Yes, Buddies can still be leaders. It's about how you lead.)Chuckie Finster - KIA (Well, I dunno, Tobby, I think...)Phil & Lil - RowdiesAngelica - Sassy Gossip (silver tongued liar and caller of names. high social standing by putting others down.)Kimi - ??? (I honestly don't remember enough of her.)
>>33957670chuckie's little sister? Got adopted after the movie.Which is why I barely remember her.
>>33957357The "for the fourth time" is what sells it for me. It's not a one off "Nu uh!" or little dispute, the kid is doing it constantly.
>>33959427Oh god, what if a "spell" is setting up two enemy kids for an positive feedback Yeah/Nuh loop, as a distraction?
>>33952891I suggest using "Icons" like the ones already in the existing fluff text, but just giving examples of them showing off vs some random kid(s) you might expect to be giving them trouble or gaining their ire.
>>33959526Did you read the whole thing? We kinda decided on that.
>“Lemme at ‘em!” - Tommy ‘Two Hit’ Touchet>As Two-Hit took a second to catch his breath, his eyes darted around the chaos of the battlefield, looking for his next target. ‘Ah sweet,’ he thought with a smirk, ‘there’s a good one.’ Two-Hit had been eyeing the big guy the whole fight, waiting for a chance to take him one-on-one. It wouldn’t be any fun if someone got in the way! He ducked as a stray shoe flew past his head (a year ago, it would have hit him, but he’d gotten used to spotting incoming projectiles out of the corner of his eye), and darted towards the big lummox. Gripping his granddad’s old Louisville Slugger, Two-Hit dug his heels in and twisted his waist, just like Coach taught him. A stadium full of fans cheered in Two-Hit’s head as the bat connected with its mark. The big guy crumpled, hitting the ground with a satisfying “thud.” ‘Well,’ thought Two-Hit as he picked up the big guy’s cardboard sword, ‘it wasn’t much of a fight, but at least I got another trophy to add to the shelf!’
>>33959981>“So what’s it going to be, nerd? Your money or my fist in your face?” - Harold Bradford, now three dollars richer after negotiations with a nerd.>“Didn’t mom ever tell you not to hit a girl?” Justine said as Harold hoisted Cassie up by the back of her suspenders. “No,” grunted Harold, “and you better shut yer yap or you’ll be next.” He dug around in the girl’s pockets before pulling out two dollars and three dimes. “That’s it? You better have more next time or it’ll hurt a lot more!” he said before tossing her to the ground, and laughing as she scampered away in tears. Justine opened her mouth to say something again, but was silenced by a loud “THWACK!” as a rubber band smacked against the back of her head. Harold turned to see Craig Thatcher, the weasely coward from two blocks over, reloading his homemade rubber band gun. “Hey!” Harold shouted. “You stupid nerd, I am gonna break your big, ugly nose for hurting my sister!” By the time Craig finished reloading, he looked up just in time to see Harold charging straight at him. The resulting black eye lasted Craig two weeks, and it took him twice as long to glue all the pieces of his rubber band gun back together.What do you guys think so far?
>>33959999>>33959981So far so good.
Tinker TechniquesMy trusty __: pays half imagination costs when used in a manner selected at character creation:•to attack•to defend•to createI got it!: Passive bonus to object manipulation (building, operating, disabling)You don't mean the...:Character can spend imagination to increase the effects of the Mastermind Technique "It’s time to use...that"Thoughts?
>>33952195kidpunkstuff made with kids power?
I'm too drowsy right now to contribute ideas but keep up the good work /tg/, this shit is golden.
I think we need a new name for the Imaginary Best Friend; it's the only name that describes a class feature, rather than the kid himself.
>For examples of the Kidpunk aesthetic and ideas on enemies/stories, check out the following:>Codename: Kids Next Door>Ed, Edd n Eddy>Dexter’s LaboratoryHelp me fill this list. Not sure what counts and what doesn't. I'm tempted to include Rugrats and Foster's Home (I know it's not really an example, but it defines the Imaginary Friend Kid pretty well)
>>33961302Captain Underpants and Clerance also work, as does Calvin and Hobes.
>>33961302Home Alone, cause the kid builds all sorts of stuff.
Wow there's been four threads of this already?? God I love you /tg/My favorite thing about KND and a lot of the shows we've been talking about was the overarching concept of "The Code." The rules that every kid lived by and held sacred. No matter what trouble you got into, or what gangs you were fighting with, no child could break the code. The reason why I liked Numbah 1 so much back then was probably because he was the Paladin of the Code. Would that be the kidpunk parallel of religion or faith, or more of just a universal law that governed a kids alignment?
>>33961616Oh, I like this idea. We needed more concrete mechanics for gaining or losing Social Standing Points; this could be exactly what we need.
Hmmm, you know I just realized we can't use the term "party" to refer to a group of kids. A party is what they go to for cake and balloons and stuff. A group of PCs should therefore be called a Club.
>>33961872Club or Gang works. I'm not sure it'll come up in the guide itself.
>>33961616No no no no no no no. We don't need alignment anywhere near this game. PIP/SS is as far as it has to go.
>>33961302Some episodes of South Park work.>Good Times With Weapons>Fellowship of the Return of The Two Towers>Black Friday Trilogy>The Stick of Truth.Half tempted to include things like Mr. Hankie Episodes or Towlie, just cause... Long story short its either kids pretending so hard to be serious or adults, and adults being stupidly childish, otherwise.
>>33962893I think it's second. Whole town made out of immature, childish, impulsive man(and women)child so it's affects whole world.
>>33962893>>33963304>Long story short its either kids pretending so hard to be serious or adults, and adults being stupidly childish, otherwise.Can't remember the epsiode name but the one where they were playing cops and get recruited by the actual South Park police to bust up a drug ring is a good example of the former becoming the latter.
>>33962893I definitely think "Good Times With Weapons" and The Stick of Truth are classic kidpunk.>>33961302Also add: Costume Quest and Calvin and Hobbes.
>>33964242>Costume QuestMan i still need to play that sometime. I pretty much love Double Fine's games ever since Psychonauts, its definitely one of those games that always goes on sale on halloween.Also Finished a drawing of The Rascal, or Menace, or whatever. I guess this rounds out the Nerd Classes.
>>33964294I've played it, and the Christmas expansion. It's a fun game, and a great example of True Believers.
>>33964294Nice. Drawfag is credit to team.
>>33964294I liked your artwork up until now, but dang. That is a perfect Rascal. Completely captures the spirit.
>>33965169I put Imaginary Friend Kid in as a temp; we have Tough Kid, so it's not unprecedented, but I'd still like a better name if we can think of one.
>>33965197Loner could be a nice shorter name, but it could be a background trait/reputation (That kid is a loner) could apply to a lot of classes. Friendmaster? IBFF? (Imaginary best friends forever?)
A possible picture for the Tattler. Very much inspired by Sarah in that episode Ed was grounded.
>>33965312>literally blowing a whistle>PoLEeZ!I love it.
Think this thread is big enough for two drawfags?
>>33965663Are there ever too many drawfags?
>For examples of the Kidpunk aesthetic and ideas for characters/enemies/stories, check out the following (note: not all of the following are full examples of Kidpunk, but they all contain an element or two that can serve as inspiration):Codename: Kids Next DoorEd, Edd n EddyDexter’s LaboratorySouth Park (particularly The Stick of Truth)Captain UnderpantsHome AloneCostume QuestClarenceCalvin and HobbesRugratsFosters Home for Imaginary FriendsPhineas and FerbDennis the MenaceI'm not sure we need the list in the document's intro. I don't want people to see a list of cartoons and think it's a game FOR kids instead of a game ABOUT kids for anyone. I mean, did Toon RPG need to open with a list of classic cartoons?
>>33965663Hey the more the merrier. It be nice to have a guy who can work on extra art while i'm working on the class portraits.
>>33966003I'm a fair bit slower than you, I'd wager
>>33966155You more than make up for it in quality friend. I've been leaving a lot of these off at just line work for simplicity's sake. You got a good look to things.
>Make a thread about a random musing on a whim.>Come back two days later.>Suddenly on 4th thread.>Talk of building an RPG, classes being created, art being drawn.I love you /tg/. Never change.
>Recess character builds:TJ Detweiler: Age 9 Buddy, Leader, Popular KidVince LaSalle: Age 9 Scrapper, Cool Kid, CompetitiveSpinelli: Age 9 Rowdy, Tomboy, ScrappyGretchen Grundler: Age 9 Know-It-All, Bookish, ShelteredMikey Blumberg: Age 9 Tough Kid, Freakishly Strong, EarnestGus Griswald: Age 9 Mastermind, The Little Guy, New Kid From Across Town
>>33966536Seems about right, although I'd argue Gretchen was more of a Tinkerer than a Know-It-All. She wasn't a ruiner of fun, she was an inventor and a bookworm.
okay guys so if I wanted a character who would swindle other kids out of there money or toys?
>>33966861I'd say Rascal, Bully, or Cheater, with some sort of interest maybe in Scams.
>>33966930Maybe also Gossip?
>>33966586Welcome back, original OP. What do you think of the RPG?
>>33966795Yeah, I wasn't really sure about that either. I figured Gretchen fits the mechanics of the Know-It-All better, even if she isn't douchey about knowing way more than everyone else.
>>33966861Interest:Scams or maybe Interest:Cash would fit better.I think Eddy might be a Rascal or Cheater with Interest:Cash
>>33966989Gossip is social combatant, slinging insults and spreading rumors. I'd say... hm, Eddy would probably be a Cheater in terms of class. Rascal is about laying Home Alone booby traps, Bully is about brute strength, and Cheater is about changing the rules as they go along to make sure they come out on top. Cheater definitely sounds like Eddy, with Interest:Scams and Interest:Candy
>>33967083I think Interest:Candy doesn't quite fit. Candy is just his goal, not really how he sees the pretend world. Interest:Cash is more like it, the scams comes from how Interest:Cash flavors the Cheater - he cheats to get cash.
>>33967106Interest:Candy sounds more like someone would fight with a giant lollipop as a weapon, or throw chewing gum as a ranged attack, or blow a bubblegum bubble as a shield et cetera.
I know the system is still under construction, but can I be statted?
>>33967197Class: Ditz Interests: Dancing Trait: Younger Sibling
>>33967233>Trait: Younger SiblingBut wasn't Dee Dee the Older child?Or does younger sibling mean they HAVE a younger sibling rather than they are the younger sibling.
>>33967233Wouldn't Older Sibling be the trait?Also, I think Interest:Girly Things might fit best. Everything has to be pink and girly.
>>33967139Scout- RowdySoldier- True Believer (don't tell me rocket jumping isn't fueled by pure insanity)Pyro- ScrapperDemo- RascalHeavy- Tough KidEngie- TinkererMedic- BuddySpy- CheaterSniper- ...?>>33967197There's a whole class based on her and Numbuh Three from Kids Next Door. She's have Interest: Dancing and the Older Sibling and Hyperactive Traits.
>>33967257>>33967256Yeah we might need to disambiguate Older and Younger sibling. Does it signify their status AS the Older or Younger sibling, or does it say they have one.
Crazy Cat Lady enemy
>>33967274It's THEIR trait, so I'd say Older Sibling means they have a younger sibling and vice-versa.
>>33967301I like it. Is there anything in the pipeline for Buddy, Gossip, or Cheater? Those are the only classes we're missing art for.
>>33967301Ooh this is looking pretty nice. I can just imagine the kind of sinister version of grandma clothes this lady could wear. Plus I can only imagine like the evil nicknames>Lady Cattica>The Cat Lady of Al-Cat-Traz>Catwoman... thats all I got.
>>33967424I'm a different drawfag than the main guy. I figured it'd be better if all the class art is in the same style, so I'm going to let him handle those.
>>33967424The other artfag said he'd make one for all 16 classes.
>>33952195>The Kidpunk RPG system is a d20-based systemAnd dropped.
>>33967488Ok, cool. Didn't realize you were the other guy since the cat lady design is kinda similar to his mean teacher design.
>>33967424Yeah I'm working on those right now. Just trying to think of some ideas for each.I'm thinking cheater could be some chubby kid who drew pecks on himself to say he's "Inderstable" But I'm not sure if i can make that come across easy.Otherwise I was thinking of channeling something like palidin Butters for buddy, not sure what to do for gossip other than some gossiping gal.TLDR; Could use some ideas for the last three.
>>33967507>the number of sides on the die is enough to totally judge the entire rest of the system!Why?Were you beaten up by a 20-sided die during your formative years?
>>33967530Paladin Butters is a good Buddy. Cheater could be like pic related. Or perhaps he's holding a d6, which we can see has six dots on every visible side?As for gossip, maybe a kid calling another kid a stupid dumbhead.
>>33967530>I'm thinking cheater could be some chubby kid who drew pecks on himself to say he's "Inderstable" But I'm not sure if i can make that come across easy.I dunno that idea makes it seem like he's a tough class like the Jocks... Plus the idea of drawing muscles on makes you stronger seems true believer-y. I'd say think Ninja Cartman or Eddy or >>33967601 for the cheater.
>>33967625It needs to be visible that he's a cheater. Ninja Cartman was a great example of a cheater, but it isn't easy to visualize. Having an obviously rigged prop like a d6 with six on all sides is visual, it instantly conveys "this guy is cheating."
>>33967698cards up his sleeves?
>>33967784Fingers crossed is more of a liar than a cheater, but it could work I guess.>>33967766Might be too hard to easily and clearly sketch. I dunno, I'm not the drawfag providing art for the classes.
>>33967784>>33967766>>33967698>>33967601 Thanks for all the good suggestions kids. Hows this look? Does it need more details?A shirt? Sleeves?
>>33967874I like that concept. Might could do with clothing, yeah, but it gets the point across perfectly nicely.
>>33967856>Fingers crossed is more of a liar than a cheater, but it could work I guess.In most games lying is cheating. Lying is the most basic form of cheating.
>>33967896Fair enough.>>33967874I like it!
>>33967890Agreed. I was working based on Ninja Cartman at the start of this sketch keep in mind, it eventually moved away from that... Think I might add onto it.
>>33967874I can kinda see him as the fat kid who wears oversized shirts even when he goes swimming
>>33967051On the one hand I'm jealous I haven't put in much of an effort to help make this.On the other hand it's not really my field of expertise and I think it'll turn out just fine without much input from me. For now I'm just gonna be happy with lighting the fire and watching it burn.
>>33968297well as the person who lit the fires your opinion is pretty important, so if you have anything to say let us know
>>33968297I was the fourth post in that original thread, the one who called it a "quantify a genre thread" and sorta got the ball rolling on kidpunk as a genre and first brought up the imaginary-or-magic question.This has gone so much greater than I expected.
>>33968164Hot damn this is good. Give yourself a round of applause man. Also posting Buddy and Cheater 2.0 sketches now.
just realized there isn't a page for this on 1d4chan yet someone should go make one
>>33968164this is fucking great>>33968392the Cheater is looking much better>>33968414I already mentioned it in the irc. I'd do it myself but I can't into wiki
>>33968392>"Don't worry partner, it doesn't matter wether you win or lose, its how you play the game. Now come on lets go eat cookies."that quote idea aside I am wondering if the buddy is too visually busy... or gets the point across.
>>33968392Buddy looks really momlike.
>>33968482Mom's hips still makes my cock diamonds.
>>33968392Buddy is fucking bro-tier. Also, would it be too predictable to have the stock Buddy premade named Buddy?
>>33968594"Buddy 'The Buddy' Budson" as the Buddy iconic?
>>33968482Maybe Cowboy Buddy is Mom's kid? Eitherway here have a Cookie-less version of Cowboy Buddy.
>>33968615Bud "Buddy" Brody?
>>33968627I like the cookies. Gets across that he's a kid that's gonna help you out.
>>33968627That looks like it could work as the Buddy.But if the Buddy Iconic is a girl, she can't be named Buddy! Is there a female equivalent of Buddy?
>>33968648Broderick "Buddy" Budson>>33968678yeah cookies good idea
>>33968687I think Buddy's supposed to be a girl.
>>33968687Bestie?But who's to say girls can't be buddies? I call plenty of girls Buddy or Pal or Friend.
>>33968709>>33968715I mean, is there a female equivalent of the NAME Buddy? As in a person's nickname?
I put Brendon "Buddy" Broderick in as his name. Good?
>>33968627maybe keep the cookies, but with the gloves instead of oven mitts?
>>33968786Alright then.Third times the charm then.
>>33968918>Third times the charm then.Indeed it is. You're doing god's work, anon.Now to figure out a way to visually convey Gossip with only one person.>light bulb flickercell phone!
>>33969029>cell phone!Good idea! Flip Phone? Brick Phone? Plastic one thats just full of jellybabies?
>>33969143one of those ones that slides out sideways so you can use the keyboard
>>33969143>>33969232depends on if she's going to be drawn talking or texting. keyboard phone if texting, flip phone if talking
>>33969267I was half thinking of some kid with a big ol' brick phone/walkie talking whispering stupid rumors into it.>"News flash! Sally Watkins has poobrains. Repeat. Sally Watkins has poobrains."A texty cellphone always struck me as a teenagery or tween-y thing to have.
>>33969332>A texty cellphone always struck me as a teenagery or tween-y thing to have.good point. although kids are getting cell phones pretty young these days. Maybe texting on a flip phone then? Like her parents got her a cheap go-phone with limited minutes but unlimited text
From the IRC chat:>idea for a boss battle in a sample campaign: a King Bully, a 13-14 year old who has been held back several years. Basically he should be treated like a dragon, he smokes cigarettes as a breathe-fire attack, right down to having a hoard of lunch money
>>33969332>I was half thinking of some kid with a big ol' brick phone/walkie talking whispering stupid rumors into it.that works
>>33969501if he's a bully the sketch should be blue, unless you're not planning on have that showing at all when it's complete
>>33969673He's supposed to be like a boss version of a bully from what I can tell. Sorta like the mean teacher and Crazy Cat lady doodles.>>33969501Keep up the good work by the way.
>>33969708yeah, just sayin Nerds are green so he should either be blue to convey that he's a Jock or some color that's not already used for one of the classes to convey that he's a boss
>>33969568KSSHH Jimmy Rutherford is a nerd, over KSSSH
>>33969708Yeah, but I thought the bad guys were orange, like the teacher and the ¡LUCHADOR! were?
>>33969673>>33969778>>33969816I'll switch it to orange. I grabbed the wrong color.
>>33969804KSSHH Tell me something I don't know, over KSSHH
>>33969804>>33969921KSSHK That dork finally finished drawing all the kids in the class, what a creep. Over KSSHK
>>33969953Wonderful. Conveys the Gossip perfectly. I love the vaguely mean look on her face, she looks precisely like she's saying mean things.
>>33969953>flower instead of peace sign>"OMG" instead of "BORN TO KiLL"beautiful, anon. beautiful
"NO, new kid! Don't ever go under the jungle gym! That's where King Petey Fleming lives! He's the biggest, meanest, dumbest kid in the fifth grade. You do NOT want to catch his attention, new kid. Just ask Little Bobby Buckler. When he gets out of the hospital, that is.
>>33970071I totally missed that.Fucking gold.
>>33969953Yes. This is the true face of social terror.
Thread's dying. Someone archive and start a new one?
>>33969953I made her gossiping about two of the other Iconics in her quote. Someone else can feel free to refine it though. I'm not much of a writefage.
>>33970305Randall Fuchfeiss is a joke name, ya goober.
>>33959999What makes a Bully different from a Tough Kid is that the latter usually has something to protect. Hide it or not, nothing brings out truer colors than seeing a Prankster about to launch Bucky Fisherton's bowl into the stratosphere.
>>33961302Recess? The wealth of urban legends of that show might make for some neat adventure hooks.I'd suggest Hey Arnold! but that show plays a kid's life a lot more realistically.
>>33970483The idea was to demonstrate that even when an enemy wants to focus on another target, the bully commands attention.Also NEW THREAD: >>33970535
>>33970305>>33970339Either way the idea works. We can replace Fuchfeiss with whatever real last name he gets.Plus there is something cute about the Rascal and Tattler being all Crush-y on eachother, even if its a mean rumor.
>>33970597I also like the idea of the Gossip having a secret crush on Buddy, a la Helga -> ArnoldWho is the Gossip gossiping with? None of the other Iconics seem like they'd be interested.