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>>33551791
>Current armory
41 Thorn Launchers
2 Thorn Cannons
23 Sting Casters
1 Rotary Stinger
3 Fire Sprays
1 Plasma Spray

>Current resource reserves
Nutrients: 3005
Metals: 2733

>Hive population and upkeep cost
Hive maintenance – 75
Queen – 5
Worker (120) – 240
Warrior (25) – 100
Thinker (49) – 147
Speaker – 3
Digger (30) – 120
Refinery (10) – 70
Sniffer (2) – 8
Wasp (18) – 90
Antenna (3) – 9
Haz-mat Workers (20) – 80
Shock Troops (3) – 33
Excavator (9) – 171
Colossus (2) – 30
Advanced Relay (2) – 200
Space Pod – 30
Shuttle (2) – 50
Scout Corvette – 325
Nutrient costs: 1786

>Income
Nutrients: 2050
Net: 264

Hive Structure
>Reservoir
>General storage
>Food storage
>Advanced Laboratory
>Infrastructure
>Hangar facilities: Room for 40 Aero Drones and 20 Shuttles (25N)
>Mine: +250 M per day (+25 M per digger)
>Algae Farm: +2000 N per day, 20 Workers (1 worker per 100N)
>Clarke Research Outpost
>Hel’s Angel Prison Outpost
>Docking Pylon: Space for docking and construction of 4 ships (50N)

Current Construction Projects
20 Algae Farms (+2000N, 10 workers)

New Construction Options
>Algae Farm – +100N per day, 1 worker to maintain
>Hangar Expansion – Add on to current hangar facilities for your choice of +40 aero drone space, or +20 shuttle space. 50N 100M

Ship Construction Options
http://pastebin.com/a7Q1shZe
http://pastebin.com/YTwGk8n1

>>33551791
So.

It's a ship, with slaved robots that attempt to defend it.

Robots that are psionically active. And have been in that sand for a long, long time. So long they're full of sand themselves.

And that for some reason stopped telepathically screaming?

>>32365715
>"How many others are there with FTL?"
>"We know of the Valen, the Ceph, and the humans. We have found signs of others, either long past or distant."

We've found a crashed precursor ship, probably.

>>33551804
how long until the research is done?

>>33551893
Precursor or just unknown.

Also I've given my artist friends the details so I should have the drawings by next thread.

>>33551924
It's ancient, going by the state of the robots. They're precursor by default.

>>33551804
Your drones stand in an old bunk room. The walls are covered in carved in circles padded with ancient, petrified mats and in each circular bunk is a small pole jutting from the wall in the center. Much of the room is buried in sand, dust, and fallen debris and refuse, with pieces of shattered bulkhead and and broken terminals scattered across the room.On the far wall is a door, leading further into the hulk, while on the other side is the open hall leading out into the dune sea through a hole torn in the hull. A broken alien corpse sits lifeless just outside.

>Have your workers search the room
>Have your warriors investigate the corpse
>Open the door and move further into the derelict
>Other


>>33551907
Soon, but it is very complex, especially for your thinkers who have a hard time comprehending the technology at all. Quantum mechanics is quite a ways out of their comfort zone.

>>33551955
>Have your workers search the room

and remember to take the corpse back to the ship when we get a chance

>>33551955
>>Have your warriors investigate the corpse
Does our shock troop sense anything?

>>33551955
>>Have your workers search the room

QD, I gotta ask. Back when we first found that Taidaren wandering in the jungle, why didn't we detect the source of that "strange smell" (tobacco) -- Lyle in hiding. Were you waiting for us to take initiative and go "wait sniffer, track the source of that strange smell from before! where is it?" to detect Lyle in camo?

I kinda assumed the smell was the Taidaren itself, in the absence of more information before the reveal of Lyle in shroom camo.

>>33551955
>Have your workers search the room
>Have your warriors investigate the corpse

>>33551955
Let's
>Have your workers search the room
Then
>Have your warriors investigate the corpse
And if they trigger the robots lets just leave it and
>Open the door and move further into the derelict

>>33551975
>and remember to take the corpse back to the ship when we get a chance
I want to take the entire ship with us.

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Old machines full of sand you say?

>>33552022
second, and also the old robots as well, they can be of use for us.

>>33552022
not possible it a corvette remember?

Once we choose what we take we need to wreck the rest and leg it home

>>33551955
>>Have your workers search the room
>>Have your warriors investigate the corpse

>>33552034
why not tow it out into space, and then make a vehicle that can take it home for us.
'There is no need to trash the thing.

>>33552022
And I want a million dollars, but it's not happening.

Can we sense the direction of the telepathy whisper inside the ship, QD?

>>33552034
QD never said it was inoperable.

>>33552022
It's a wreck. We're probably going to use it as an outpost on this planet.

>>33552057
>>33552034
why not?

>>33552053
were in a union controlled system remember?

We came in by stealth to not be detected

Unless you guys want to start the fight over this dustball we got to choose our prizes and slag the rest since we just tipped them off to this wreck
>>33552069
>>33552059

>>33552069
Is it small enough to fit inside the Corvette?

If it's not, it's a no-go. Because we can't cloak it so good.

>>33552096
again why do we need to trash it?
We can easily cut it up, remember this vehicle can hold 20 excavators.

>>33552096
I don't think we tipped them off to the wreckage did we?

>Have your workers search the room
>Have your warriors investigate the corpse

Please roll 1d100, best of 3


>>33551992
The first whiff of tobacco was foreshadowing just to let you know something fishy was up, while the second time was to confirm that he was the threat. If you had tried to zero in on the smell you could have tried, and would have had a decent chance of finding him in his hiding spot, but as it happened it ended up as an awkward situation where two really good trackers were trying to out-maneuver each other, with the twins trying to lead you into an ambush while you tried to keep hidden.

Rolled 60

>>33552135

Rolled 25

>>33552135

>>33552135

Rolled 45

>>33552135

>>33552096
We could build and send a couple more corvettes to this system.

>>33552117
The union base got sensors and sat remember so it gonna pick up activity we just caused

The wreck was inactive and under a ton of sand so it got missed so far

Rolled 80

>>33552135

>>33552154
Do we even know if we want all of it?
It could all just be junk except for a few important bits.

>>33552164
this anon has a point we need to hurry this up and grab what we can before the union figure out were here

we just can't risk losing our element of suprise with the union

>>33552164
We're on the opposite side of the world, the base probably can't sense through the planet.

QD has never mentioned a satellite in orbit of this world. Just the ship by the river settlement.

>>33552181
This.

Also, QD, what do our ships look like as compared to Union ships?
Obviously alien?

Rolled 73

>>33552135

>>33552181
Why would you risk destroying something that could be valuable to us.

>>33552197

I seem to recall the bigger Union ships have habitational rings, which ours lack. And the images QD posted were all of bioships, so I'm going to assume our ships completely different from anything else.

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>>33552164
No mention of satellite, and you have to remember that the sensors only pick up levels of certain radiation.
>>33552135
How big is the ship?

>>33552226
I am not the anon that suggested we torch it.
I just think we should figure out what's valuable before we try and haul it back for only 500 Metal.

>>33552250
The level of radiation it produces is small and it got a stealth system to deal with what is produced.

>>33552181
Its a ship that been worn out by the elements and time

Most of it is just junk and only important systems may have anything intact because of additional protection needed for them

Grab whats important and leg it
that is our only choice

>>33552285
if those robots can survive that long and are that tough, i believe the ship itself could still work( might need a few repairs).

>>33552285
>that is our only choice
Only the narrow-minded say that.

Wow, people chose to poke the corpse. Great.

>>33552317
And the ones who don't fall for acheint death traps from the DM's magical realm

>>33552332
If we poke it enough maybe candy will pour out.

>>33552333
you do know that the narrow minded ones are usually the ones that fall for traps right?

>>33552344
It's only been ash and sand so far... and we only rolled a 60! We'll probably get something gross like Rockets.

>>33552317
there's a valen cruiser above us in system

a union base on planet

and ya we can take this wreck with us?

Make it work with our superior metal working skills?

thats just not probable

>>33552355
...I'm not the most clever man, I will admit to you anon...

>>33552355
Let's not have a pointlessly vague assertion-off. The whole ship may or may not be worth salvaging, further investigation will provide information so we can make that determination.

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>>33552365
>obligatory

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>>33552374
True,but he left himself open for that one.

>>33552364
I agree that it's impractical to take the whole ship, which is being described as a "hulk" and also heavily buried.

Search it for valuable relics and skedaddle seems the wisest choice. I wouldn't want to blow it up either, since blasting the thing with weapons would probably make it easier for the Union to pick up with sensors.

>>33552408
Why not slowly salvage it?
I'm sure that is a happy medium, plus anything worthless gives us more metal.

>>33552333
>acheint
Seriously anon?
>>33552355
He's narrow-minded to realize that.
>>33552364
>there's a valen cruiser above us in system
No there isn't anon, stop it with your shadowruns. We probably have a few days before it becomes to risky to stick around.

>>33552422
Space limitations.
Anyways let's not count our chickens before they're hatched.

>>33552364
>there's a valen cruiser above us in system
No there isn't.

It's on the planet.

>>33552446
i know, that why i suggested slow salvage the ship does runs while our workers take the ship apart piece by piece.

>>33552422
Because of the union on site who might decide they wanna check the poles for shits and giggles.

Sorry for being paranoid I just wanna go home with our super stealthiness intact

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>>33552135
Your workers quickly disperse and begin to sift through the rubble of the room, looking for anything that may be of value. You overturn several curling chairs, built like metal screws lined with padding, and heft a piece of bulkhead from the floor. Underneath is a small crystal of black metal. It is completely inert, and appears to be a decorative trinket, but its shape is almost identical to that of the Void shard you had collected from the Angel. A small ring of gold around it fastens it to a rusted chain that has long crumbled to dust, and a serpentine figure of onyx twists around the crystal. Your workers continue their search.

You have your warriors approach the corpse, and slowly drag it closer to the entrance of the hulk. It is a withered looking figure wrapped in rotten and tattered clothing, its wings are filled with holes and tears, the dust and sand seeping from its wound is blackened with petrified remains. Were it not for the fact that you had just killed it a moment ago, you would think it had been dead for centuries. Your warriors investigate the wound, looking for anything that may show a critical organ, but inside the slender torso is a mix of silt and corroded devices. Rusted metal bones holding together a collection of rotted skin and fur. Its bare skull is left without flesh, although you can't tell if it looks like that naturally or not, and its eyes are blank, black lenses.

1/2

>>33552197
I actually found perfect pictures to illustrate. The wings are where the Blink drive is, and the tubes protruding from the back are thermal vents. During a jump the wings would flex forward to form the tachyon bubble, while at rest they can act like sails to use the Skid drive

>>33552462
so how big is the grounded ship, and is it possible to do multiple trips?
>>33552461
they would find the ship anyway, plus as long as they don't see our drones they can think of our ships as an alien race they have never seen before.

>>33552462
so the ceph aren't the first race the space crystals used eh?

>>33552462
>collect the jewelry
We can have Coil look at it later.

>>33552462
Your Workers continue their search, and as they rip open a peeled back piece of paneling they find a small corpse. Just as old but more well preserved as the other. It appears to be of the species species, but its eyes are withered, dry orbs, clearly organic, and a thin layer of dried hide clings to the large beaked skull. It is wearing a dark brown uniform of some kind, with a grest of gold thread depicting a curling, winged serpent spiraling around a strange symbol. One of its fingered wings is reaching for a small, cracked cube of glass that has been wedged between a pile of debris and the wall, and the body is covered in claw and puncture marks.
You can still hear the faint echoes of psionic thoughts from deep within the hulk. Soft, muddy thoughts of despair.

>Take the bodies back to the ship and leave
>Continue further into the derelict
>Other

>>33552558
>>collect the jewelry
It seems pretty important, i would rather not touch it now.

>>33552558
I doubt he'd know of it anon. This looks far older than him.

>>33552563
>Continue further into the derelict
have the workers take the bodies as well

>>33552563
>Continue further into the derelic

the outpost on this planet could be either ceph or valen. Maybe it's a ceph ship looking for the and/or void crystal of the ship? We should consult coil

>>33552563
>small, cracked cube of glass
What if it's a data device? Must examine it.

>>33552563
>Continue further into the derelict

>>33552563
>FURTHER
Collect the jewelry and the crest, and the glass cube. The glass cube may be an information device.

>>33552563
>Continue further into the derelict

>>33552563
>Continue further into the derelict
>Take the small, cracked cube of glass
>Place the bodies near the entrance so that as long as our drones can get out they can get the bodies

>>33552563
Have the workers plus one warrior load the finds into the ship and the rest of the warriors continue into the derelict.

>>33552563
>ever onwards, into the derelict with all haste!

>>33552497
Your corvette is 100 meters long, the derelict appears to be a piece of a much larger ship, but you guess what is left would likely be at least 150 meters, although you can't tell for sure as much of it is buried.

Last you saw, the Valen ship had landed on the surface by a small settlement along the shore of a river. There is no detectable satellite in the system.

>>33552592
This.

We need to have shit piled up so we can grab it and go in a hurry.

>>33552581
>the outpost on this planet could be either ceph or valen
No it couldn't. It's Union, with a Valen vessel.

>>33552592
Something resembling this.

>>33552598
So multiple trips are possible, good to know.

>>33552563
>Continue further into the derelict
>Remember to take the things of interest we've found.
>Ask Theseus to tell us a story. A stroy about long past civilizations if he knows any.

>>33552592

second

>>33552628
>thesesus tell us a story
Once upon a time there was a bug queen named Queen bitch bug and she kept and innocent AI hostage for a very long ass time. Nobody like queen bitch bug.

>>33552607
We could always do a fly by while clocked if are systems can handle that.

>>33552667
It's probably the sleep deprivation talking but that's hilarious.

>>33552667
I really hope we don't kill Theseus.

>>33552717
hes gonna die, its just a matter of when.

>>33552748
Why?
This is a legitimate question.
I have no idea why he has to die.

>>33552717
Same here. Hopefully we can workout a mutually beneficial partners built upon the free flow of information through the universe.

>>33552769
Because we are queen Bitch bug

except towards lee because we have a friendship with.

>>33552563
>Move further into the derelict

Your drones place the found items on the floor and move to the door. It takes some effort to pry the door open, but you eventually rip it from its rusted hinges and it hits the floor with a deep clang. The corridor within is completely dark, but your drones have no trouble moving through the blackness. You find several more corpses, of both varieties. There appears to have been a battle between them. You find more of the small crystal necklaces, and small totems of coiled serpents carved from stone or metal, each one wrapped tightly around a decorative black crystal.
Your drones follow the whispering until you reach a large door at the end of a hall. The door is piled in the corpses of the alien creatures. They are tattered and rotten into little more than metal skeletons, but as you approach you see them standing huddled by the door. Their heads twitch to your drones, and they let out an agonizing mental scream. You count five in total, each one wrapped in tattered robes as decayed ash seeps from their bodies.

>Charge in and attack
>Open fire and hold position
>Retreat
>Other

>>33552769
He knows too much.
>>33552773
I rather he give up info about us, and he keep what ever else he learned.

>>33552773
Theseus cannot die.

That instance of Theseus may be deleted however.

We can meet him for the first time, all over again.

>>33552791
>Open fire and hold position

>>33552791
>>Charge in and attack
I don't think they'll be good in a melee.

>>33552791
>Open fire and hold position

>>33552791
>open fire and holdposition

they'll tear us apart in melee!

>>33552799
How does he know to much?
>>33552801
And?

>>33552791
>Open fire and hold position

>>33552813
Um, anon. One of them carved through our armor plates with its hand. They are damn good at melee.

>>33552773
I'd be up for trying to assimilate Unity.

>>33552791
>>Other
Scream back at them.

Telepathically.

Or you know, talk to them.

>>33552791
>>Open fire and hold position

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>Theseus is? are? all about robotics.
>We are about genetic manipulations & co.
>Not seeing the obvious practical partnership in making the most efficient lifeform ever.

https://www.systemshock.org/shocklogs/sound/EM0403.mp3

>>33552832
He has been studying us constantly, and knows how we operate, and that we are space fairing.

>>33552833
Oh. Right.

>>33552859
I don't see the harm in Unity knowing this once we have a few planets under our control.

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last loose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."-- Commissioner Pravin Lal, "UN Declaration of Rights"

>>33552624
Doing multiple runs isn't worth the chance of discovery if it's just for the metal. Large technological components? Sure. But we'd get more metal faster using the ship to blast asteroids apart.

>>33552882
>I don't see why we have to lie to the humans so much.
Literally the same person, and look how that turned out.

>>33552859
We're only trying to actively hide from the Union and Commonwealth right?

>>33552896
Look at
>>33552791
This shit is important.
>>33552900
Anyone actually, not just the humans.

>>33552898
Unity is robots not humans.

>>33552791
>Open fire and hold position
Please roll 1d100, best of 3

>>33552791
>>33552839
Seriously I'm no diplomancer but these guys are telepathic.

So it can't hurt to attempt telepathic discourse while also defending ourselves.

Rolled 28

>>33552919
They have used the cyborgs services before to get samples and tech.
>>33552934

Rolled 42

>>33552934

Rolled 35

>>33552934

>>33552917
It is important. Taking EVERYTHING isn't. Kind of wish we had a flame thrower unit on hand to sterilize the place once we're done.

>>33552940
What are you implying? That they'll send people after us? That's insane.

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>>33552940
>>33552944
>>33552951

>>33552919
>>33552851
>>33552717
I for one am more than happy developing a mutually beneficial bond with the Unity. I think we could gain a lot from having a race whose species goal is to learn everything. Thats a powerful tech advantaged against the humans, and we have the ability to realize that tech advantage significantly faster than any of the other fleshy races.

>>33552979
And they'd be good allies against whatever that planet cracker thing was.

>>33552975
Why do you think they won't?

>>33552791
>>Open fire and hold position

>>33552898
Trust no one except Lee.

>>33552975
Not him, but it's not beyond reasoning that the Unity might act unscrupulously. We're particularly vulnerable in diplomatic dealings with established space-faring races, especially ones that know where we live, because they can nuke us without worrying about negative repercussions from anyone else.

Secrecy has its price. And no, allying with Unity wouldn't provide any diplomatic protection from the Union.

>>33553014
Lee can be trusted because he's painfully honest and happens to be good-natured. Best prisoner we've ever had. good husbando material.

Definitely going his route over Lyle, the twins, Coil, or Theseus. (Why do we keep so many men in our dungeons?)

>>33552979
Any shit like that can wait until secrecy is no longer required, and the hive has a power base as established as the existing players. We just joined this game. We can't take risks.

Secrecy is most easily maintained when you're the only one who knows the truth.

>>33553060
would you a HQQ dateing sim anon

>>33553095
Wouldn't you?

>>33552934
Your warriors open fire, ripping into the charging creatures. Several of them drop to the ground, but they immediately right themselves and continue their charge. You keep firing, hoping to hit some critical area but they keep coming at you.
The first hits your warrior, its claws tearing through the armor and slicing off an arm. Your warriors respond as your workers duck behind them, and your warriors tear open the creature, slicing it clean in half. The body twitches and writhes on the ground as it tries to continue its assault, and the others move in its place. Your warrior catches a claw in its chest, slicing through the armor like paper and its gaping maw rips through your drone's head. The others charge and the firing line quickly descends into a melee of claw and blade, tooth and mandible. Another warrior is lost, and a worker is caught with a ferocious swipe of a straw claw, ripping its thorax in half in a single, swift motion.

-1 worker-3 wariors
5 workers, 3 warriors and 1 shock troop remain

>Attempt to fall back to ranged
>Retreat
>Have the workers distract
Due to write-ins
>Attempt to communicate
>Other

>>33553095
>>33553095

I would husbando lee

I would play HQ the dating sim

>>33553011
I think Unity won't send bounty hunters or sample collectors after us for a variety of reasons.
The first and most important being that we are too valuable for them to not have as an ally.
We are a rapidly advancing race that will soon be a major player in the galactic balancing act. We have proven that we can work together and that our goals can be compatible with each other.
Even if we don't full on "ally" ourselves with them they have the opportunity to greatly increase their knowledge of the universe under a partnership with the Hive. It's too good of a deal for them not to take!
My final point is that given the possibility of the extinction of all organic life and the subsequent loss of data that would cause Unity would be an important and dependable ally against whatever is coming in the future.

>>33553060
Are the twins male?

>>33553124
>Moe queen shojo romance
Hell yes

>>33553065
Which I pretty much agree with. That doesn't mean we have to kill Theseus. Its pretty simple to straight up tell Theseus,
>"Until we have an established presence in this sector and the means to successfully defend the Hive, we cannot allow you to return to the greater whole that is Theseus, or the rest of your collective. We believe you would be immensely useful allies and would prefer for this instance of you to stay alive, as you have had substantial interactions with us. However, much of the information you have regarding the Hive would be immensely detrimental to the Hive if it was in enemy hands. It would be most beneficial for the Unity, and this instance of Theseus if you assisted the Hive as much as possible in growing and expanding until such time as the information you hold being returned to the Unity is not a death knell for us."

Hows that sound?

>>33553137
>>Attempt to communicate
You crazy motherfuckers. Mad with despair, grief and loneliness.

>Attempt to fall back to ranged
>>Have the workers distract

>>33553137
>>Attempt to communicate
failing that
>Attempt to fall back to ranged

>>33553160
I like it.
I like it a lot.

>>33553160
Logical. Like the way you are supposed to deal with AI.

>>33553149
Yes. We know they're male, because that's how their species gender works.

They're actually triplets. All males are.

We don't know about what happened to Louie.

>>33553137
Seconding
>>33553174

>>33553149
It's likely. The species either births a single female or three identical males. It's likely they had another brother who died.

>>33553160
Or you don't tell him shit. Which is far superior.

Once Unity finds out we exist and are spacefaring, most of the issues with reUniting Theseus with Theseus go awa

>>33553137
>Attempt to communicate

Roll 1d100, best of 3

>>33553137
>Attempt to communicate
If failure
>Attempt to fall back to ranged

>Deploy 10 reinforcement warriors from the corvette

Rolled 94

>>33553223

Rolled 31

>>33553223
satan guide my dice

Rolled 42

>>33553223

>>33553219
I don't agree with you.
Your poor grammar reinforces this.

>>33553234
Oh my

>>33553144
>important being that we are too valuable for them to not have as an ally
Wrong nothing is too valuable( to them its a measure of risk and reward), if we are seen as a threat they will kill us with out hesitation.

>We are a rapidly advancing race that will soon be a major player in the galactic balancing act.
They don't know that, and as far as they know we are a race that evolves pretty fast with something akin to their hive mind.

>We have proven that we can work together and that our goals can be compatible with each other.
Point taken, but remember that robots don't truly have loyalty, but predilections of our possible actions.

>Even if we don't full on "ally" ourselves with them they have the opportunity to greatly increase their knowledge of the universe under a partnership with the Hive.
So you rather them learn of the void crystals and how we communicate with our drones and the like?

>It's too good of a deal for them not to take!
By force if we don't give it up willingly

>My final point is that given the possibility of the extinction of all organic life and the subsequent loss of data that would cause Unity would be an important and dependable ally against whatever is coming in the future.
So your saying they value life over knowledge?
When in reality they value knowledge over everything.

>>33553160
One of the reasons that it is acceptable only to meet others when we are established is that we have much more flexibility in how we meet with them. The terms and conditions, the information we share. Starting from a blank slate and in a position of power is far different than even a powerful position the details of which are reasonably well known by others.

>>33553235
Praise Satan rebuke the All-Father!

Rolled 65

>>33553223
rolling

>>33553219
But the problem right now is that we risk Theseus attempting to escape and starting off our relationship badly with the amazing AI who want to research everything.

Besides. He already knows a shit ton about us, there is literally nothing to be lost in trying to placate him and if anything it lays the basis for a future alliance.

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>>33553234

>>33553219
If they find us it would be much better for "our" theseus to not feel like we played him.

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>>33553287
Pretty sure this quest is roll under.

>>33553219
Goddammit this post posted automatically when I was still drafting it?

>>33553241
Theseus only knows we have drones, we're on the fungus planet, and that we found the Clarke and he's helping to give us some of the tech from it as we repair it.

And that we exist, and it's not our native world, so we're spacefaring.

So, if we ever meet Unity in space, they'll know we exist and are spacefaring. If we can hide from them where our homebase is, then sure, keeping Theseus separate from Theseus is sensible. It's keeping something sensitive secret.

If they ever find out about our location on this world on their own though, there isn't much disadvantage left.

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>>33553295
piss poor attempt at trolling bro

>>33553257
>>33553272
These are the reasons people toy with killing him. Just saying.

>>33553254
Anon I just wouldn't feel right about killing this Theseus just for getting a blank slate with Unity.
It's idealistic and Naive but it's true.

>>33553257
>there is literally nothing to be lost
Yes there is. You are admitting you are trying to keep him here, rather than making a good-faith effort to reunite him with Unity. You can pretend to be doing that, but you simply haven't met any Unity ships in space yet, alas!


If you don't mention it, he doesn't know that. Telling him the reason you are keeping him prisoner does not make him less likely to attempt escapes on his own. His priorities are not yours.

>>33553335
Your "muh feelings" have no weight as an argument anon. They convince no one.

>>33553304
Theseus also knows we encountered Lyle, that we can crack languages in days, roughly how quickly we absorb technical data as he has been directing repairs on the Clarke. If the Clarke is fully repaired and he's allowed to go to his rendezvous, he will also have a chance to take scans on his way off the planet.

Oh right, he also has suspicions on how the Union regards us and knows that we're trying to lay low in that regard. that's brownie points in one way, but knowing that we were effectively pinned under a nuke sat is more than he needs to know.

>>33553253
That is a pretty shitty attempt at misconstruing my argument.

>>33553390
He probably know about the nukes, since it seems like standard procedure.

>>33553384
Are you trying to imply killing it over fear isn't a feeling too?

>>33553335
Hey, that's fair. If we were better at the tech side of things, I'd suggest to him that he put together a sterilized data package, but we can't really verify the sterilization.

>>33553384
So you think Utilitarianism is how we should go about this?

>>33553395
I tried to go against every point, but ok.
I rather start with a blank slate, instead of giving away vital information about us, being so trusting towards the robots like some people wanted towards the humans is guaranteed to bite us in the ass.

>>33553409
It's not fear. It's actually considering options on the table, instead of going "but i would feel bad!" and automatically discarding one without thought.

I don't think terminating him is the answer, honestly. But weighing the risks and rewards involved is worthwhile, and "but I really like him as a character" (which I do, personally) isn't part of that.

We should ask Theseus what Unity procedure is for encountering ships, both of known races and unknown races.
IE: Do they open fire immediately?

>>33553420
yup, its how the robots will go about these things.

>>33553403
His comments on the satellite suggested that it /wasn't/ standard. Not for the level of civ they thought we were. Informing Unity of our primitive ruse means implicitly asking Unity the favor of abiding by it. That's effectively asking them for a favor right off the bat. We don't have anything over them while they can screw with us in multiple ways.

>>33553420
No?

a cost/benefit analysis is how you go about this.

Morality is irrelevant.

>>33553428
Nigga they are space robots, they could probably learn just as much using all the fancy technology they surely have due to being space robots.

>>33553437
I can second this.

>>33553437
Of fucking course they don't.

How "nice" and "friendly" Unity are is irrelevant to the problem at hand.

>>33553428
I just have problems with how you either confused or misinterpreted my points. Most importantly the final one about Unity and loss of life.
The point I was trying to make there was that Unity an entity devoted to cataloging all living things would not want all those things to die before they're catalogued

>>33553437
It's a sensible question, but as always, we have no way to verify that anything Theseus says, or has said, is true.

>>33553479
We can ask the people we have around how the unity act, mercenaries generally travel a lot.

>>33553512
subtle

>>33553476
so how does that relate to us exactly?

>>33553223
You can't stand this psionic static any longer. You reach out with your mind and claw at them with your mind. You feel them recoil, first in shock, then it terror, and finally they fall to the ground, writhing in agony. You sense the faint thoughts coming from the other room surge with activity as a wave of emotions wash over your drones, sending them into confused fits as they briefly lose their connection to your mind. The collection of creatures tear at themselves violently as they trash on the floor, and eventually lie still.
The door opens. It slides into the wall half way before stuttering for a moment and then grinding to a halt with the sound of worn motors. Within you see a dark room, dimly lit with a soft blue light, and in the center is a small, round platform covered in wires and diodes. You feel the thoughts coming from the center of the room, and you see a slight hint of movement. You finally manage to interpret the faint thoughts.
"Help us."

>Move into the chamber
>Take what artifacts you found and leave
>Other

>>33553512
That doesn't make any sense. How would a human know how Unity reacts to *unidentified sapient species*?

I am curious, though, about Unity's relationship with the civilizations they are not in a blood feud with, the Valen and the Ceph. Presumably they're capable of interacting without violence.

>>33553529
>Move into the chamber

>>33553529
>Move into the chamber

>>33553529
>>Move into the chamber

>>33553529

> approach with all caution, weapons up and ready have a few warriors hang back just incase

>>33553512
Their history and Theseus' behavior gives the impression that they are as reserved and secretive as we sometimes try to be. I'm doubtful of the value of knowledge we'd gain, most likely all hearsay.

I'd rather not tip the mercs off hat we've got a pet AI either. We'd have to be very careful with our questions.

>>33553529
>move a single worker into the chamber
>train all guns on its head, in case shit gets 2spooky
We ought to reply back "Who are you?"

>>33553543
We want to know how they react in general. If they shoot down human civilians left right and center, we may have a problem. If they only shoot military vessels, we have less of a problem.

>>33553529
>Move into the chamber

>>33553529
>>Move into the chamber

>>33553569
>we may have a problem
No, we really wouldn't.

>>33553443
Okay Utilitarianism is defined as doing the greatest amount of good for the greatest amount of people. To seethe greatest good we have to analyze the possible cost and benefit to our actions. You argue that at the cost of killing this instance of Theseus we benefit by getting a blank slate with Unity. This WOULD be the most cost effective if you're under the erroneous belief that the tech we've traded and would "recycle" to another instance of Theseus would be more advantageous in the long run.
I'm here to present the idea that while initially putting us in a more equal position. It would cost is less and benefit us more in the long run.

>>33553529
Supporting this >>33553569

It appears that whatever these things are haven't really been exposed to other psionically active beings. Otherwise they would've reacted better to us trying to talk.

>>33553543
You can learn a shitload by knowing how they deal with a know enemy.
>>33553558
No reason to tell anyone we have theseus, just invent a story about catching some chatter about the unity.

>>33553529
>>Move into the chamber

>>33553529
>Other
Talk back. Ash what is going on.

>>33553586
unless they shoot down lee again.

Then their ships will burn

>>33553586
Human civilian ships are probably going to be unarmed, man. If they're killing people who are literally not a threat to them, how are they going to react to one of our ships popping out of tachyonspace in front of them?

>>33553569
the ai are like Zahn Consortium from empire at war right?

Less a civ and more of an underground faction operating in the borders of the union and commonwealth?

no point making lasting deal with bandits really

>>33553593
Your grammar and actual reasoning broke down at the end there. Please expand.

>>33553529
>Move into the chamber

>>33553612
>not a threat to them
They are. They're an information leak. Theseus has explained this.

They do not seek out humans. But when they find humans, they must silence them. To keep Unity locations secret.

Humans want to shut down Unity, and Unity shuts down humans in order to maintain secrecy to preserve themselves. It's a blood feud. We do not have a blood feud with them. Non human species are not the same threat as humans.

>>33553621
I'm sorry it's 4 A.M. Where I'm at and I'm running on caffeine and fumes.
Give me a moment to collect my thoughts.

>>33553640
I'm guessing it's something to do with good will won from assisting an instance of Theseus?

>>33553593
Pretty much where I'm at. I think we gain a hell of a lot by having an AI that we've been in close contact with for a substantial period of time. Its all too easy for a race like ours tagged by everyone as the MUST KILL AT ALL COST race. It would be very good to have a race the Unity paired up with us very closely. The Unity have proven that they are incredibly secretive, like us, and if we want to ally with them we are going to need to do something big. I think this relationship with Theseus almost guarantees a close alliance with the Unity that would otherwise be nigh impossible.

>>33553638
The interesting bit is knowing what they do if they find some non threatening human (like civilians as said by another anon) in the middle of nowhere, would they still get rid of them?
Knowing how the humans act would be nice too, I mean they did put a satellite full of nukes in orbit.

>>33553669
>Its all too easy for a race like ours tagged by everyone
No it isn't.

Maybe humans are irrational. But Theseus is a cold and logical machine.

There's no Social Link, there are no "relationship points", this isn't a dating sim, it's realpolitik. Unity will do what advantages itself, and it doesn't want war, or territory, or fighting. It just needs Metals to build more processing power in the form of server ships, and specimens to analyze.

There's no meaningful "alliance" since while we want to take territory from the greedy and ravenous Union, Unity will want no part of that. They're good trading partners for information, that's all. And they'll do that with anyone, if the data's to their advantage. No "close relationship" required.

>>33553655
No. Not good will. The ability for this Theseus to put us in a position where the minimal amount of war needs to be made in order to have peace.

>>33553728
If you mean that his information would hand Unity the ability to easily cow us, I agree. Otherwise you're going to have to step me through your logic.

>>33553728
Peace? What war? Unity is not now, nor has it ever seemed to be at risk of going to war with us.

They are very unwarlike.

They just can't allow any human to see them and live. That's all.

>>33553529
>Move into the chamber

You send in several of your remaining drones to investigate the chamber. The soft blue light of the room's consoles cascade across the small chair in the center, and across the creature within.
"Who are you?" You ask slowly.
The creature turns its head to you, its eyes open slowly, then close again. "Servants."
"Who do you serve?"
It looks at you again, this time adjusting itself in its seat to get a better view of your worker. You can see it has been grafted to the seat, its skin peeled pack to reveal a mesh of plastic and metal ribs, all running into a bundle of cables and conduits flowing from the back of its large, beaked skull. "You do not speak for them? You do not know them?" It lets out a deep cackle, like the grating of a pair of cinderblocks. "Then we did well."

What would you like to say?

>>33553751
are they the gods i have heard about.

>>33553751
So you kill them then. What help do you need? Why are you here on this planet?

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>>33553719
It seems we are at an impasse. Regardless I will. for now, vote toward keeping Theseus alive.

>>33553751
Ask for more information about who they serve, how they ended here, why did they ask for help.

>>33553751
Would we ever meet our mother?

>>33553751
You serve the pieces-of-nothing? What did you do well?

You asked for help. Why?

>>33553751
"Do they uplift races? Give them the secret to moving faster than light?" At that, we should throw the image of the void crystals at them.
Also
"How can you talk to me like this? Is it natural, or technology?"
"Will you die if you are removed from this room?"

>>33553742
>>33553749
Oh I don't mean War with Unity. I am referring to the total annihilation or subjugation of the human race that needs to happen for us both to accomplish our goals as I understand them to be.

>>33553751
We should go with something simple like:
"Please, tell your story."

>>33553814
That's dumb. Unity isn't even /interested/ in war by our understanding.

>>33553820
This is good.

>>33553751
Is there something we can do to help? We heard your call from orbit.

>>33553808
>>33553820
>>33553840
Can we all of these?

>>33553814
Not necessarily, if we grow powerful enough we can just tell the humans to fuck off or be turned into delicious biomass and leave our brobots in peace too.

>>33553803
>pieces-of-nothing
Yes, we know what you are referring to, birdrobots. Mention this.

>>33553820
Sounds good

Guys
We should talk to Coil about this. Ask if he knows something.

>>33553865
No. no no no.

For the love of god, no.

This is clearly very sensitive. Do not mention this to him. You could break his adorable, zealous mind.

>>33553820

I support this one

>>33553886
Maybe just ask if he knows anything about mechanical bird people

>>33553853
That is a mere modus vivendi produced by impotence or exhaustion and is not actually peace, since hostile intent remains. And the idea of deterrence with overwhelming force worked so well in the Cold War didn't it?

>>33553820
I like it!

>>33553751
>"You do not speak for them? You do not know them?" It lets out a deep cackle, like the grating of a pair of cinderblocks. "Then we did well."
Oh. Ohhhh.

Of course. At first I read this as, he did well in serving the Void Shards, by keeping non-shard-aligned psionic people ignorant... But no. He was expecting a psionic race to be another servant race, and the fact that we're not means they did well...did well in defying the shards?

He was expecting to have been hunted down by loyal shard-followers, maybe?

>>33553906
Coil knows squat and this is just out of his depth

Leave the guy out of it

>>33553946
Shhh anon were about to find out.

>>33553910
Then what? kill everything that isn't us? We are apparently worth a lot of money so hostile intent would be here no matter what.

>>33553946
Or maybe they did well in disseminating life with a predisposition for psionics

>>33553973
Demilitarize, conquer. Do to them what the USA did to japan post-WW2. Without the nuking first, ideally?

I mean I"m not that anon but subjugation or a very lopsided "treaty" are effective.

>>33553973
Disregarding the fact that we're only worth a lot of money to a select few individuals who work for someone interested in us.
No
No we do not kill everything that is not us. We do however need to subjugate intimidate or eliminate everything that stands in the way of us defeating those civilization eaters.
Given that the humans are Stupid, Vain, Divided, Imperialistic and all together an obstacle to our survival.

>>33554032
And I just realized that I'm arguing myself in circles due to logical and moral imperatives that keep getting messed up in my head.
Goodnight tg.
Maybe this'll all make sense in the morning.

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>>33554057
it won't

>>33554077
Seriously how did this happen?
I came into this thread wanting neutrality with the humans and all of a sudden I'm starting to sound like Nixon!
>>33554032
>>33553910
>>33553814
Were all me.
I don't even know anymore.

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>>33554100
Proof for cynic in all of us.

>>33554112
Why are you posting from an iphone?

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>>33554100
It's because we are in the dark, we don't know how the humans act, we don't know how the unity act, we don't know shit.

>>33554112
>>33554111
Nixon was a great president, its just that he was a tad racist, and the water gate scandal fucked him over.

>>33553751
You send them the brief image of a void crystal and measure the creature's reaction. Its eyes whip to your drone for a moment before it holds up a small trinket in one of its winged claws. A small metal crystal carving, wrapped in a serpent.
"Did they teach you?" You ask simply. A good catch-all question.
"Yes." It says. There is bitterness in the answer. "And stole our future. How do you speak without being guided by them?"
"It comes naturally." You say. It laughs again as you finish. "How did you get to be here?"
It looks at you for a long while, and then several screens flicker, and a series of projectors fill the room with a holographic orb. It quickly fills with color, although it is faded and poorly formed, and you can make out a lush world of massive trees and endless rivers.
"Home." It thinks simply. The hologram expands in its scale, to reveal the two suns and the small roasted planet beside it.
"They found us, shaped us, but we grew too powerful, and eventually, they destroyed us."
The hologram fizzles out, and is replaced with a recording from the bow of a starship. Small streaking vessels can be seen chased by hundreds of black phantoms, each with pulsing wings.
"We were their mistake. They gave us too much, and demanded too little."
A twisting ball of spacetime forms just in front of the recording ship, and a silver tendril reaches out, slicing through the hull and shearing the ship in half. The recording is sent on a spiral out of the battle, and you see the liquid pouring over the planet, tearing into the crust and churning it like a thick soup.
"We are all that is left. Living from their gifts. It has been too long." It shuts off the display and the machines groan from the strain of their age. "You do not know them. Perhaps that is also their mistake."

>>33554127
My PC stopped working. I'm about to get a replacement though!

>>33554154
Oh shit, the crystals are fucking eldrich beings.

>>33554154
Welp we may have a clue what wiped us out

Gonna need to kill the ceph

>>33554139
He called himself a pacifist while intensifying the conflict in Vietnam.
That dissonance between thoughts and actions is what I meant by that.

>>33554190
I still don't get where people are coming to the conclusion that we WERE wiped out from.

>>33554190
Why do you think that happened to us.

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>>33554154
Well holy shit. Glad we fucking stumbled across this before we revealed everything to the Ceph.

Also damn this is crazy awesome. I wonder what else they are going to tell us...

>>33554154
Well. It wanted help, we've got a ship. Hey? We can get it out of here maybe, maybe it can help us not get killed by spacedicks.

>>33554195
Because there are very, very few reason to pull a Superman if your planet isn't going full Krypton.

Why would you send a tiny seed of your race deep into space without knowledge, without guidance? Send the equivalent of a baby in a rocket ship?

Why would you send it deep into uncharted space, in a weak little Pod that can only crash land, disguised as part of a meteor, unless Stealth was paramount?

Why would stealth be paramount unless you had a very thorough and watchful *enemy* that you were hopelessly outclassed by?

And also, of course, because for meta reasons: It's the natural storytelling twist.

>>33554195
Narrative tropes and the fact that we saw a world being destroyed by these crystal beings.
Most people assumed that it was the world of our "mother" and we saw it because of the sympathetic link between us.

>>33554214
>Because there are very, very few reason to pull a Superman if your planet isn't going full Krypton.
Except our species doesn't need tech to talk, and we were born with the knowledge of our species.

>>33554226
What?

>>33554154
Send it the image of the thing we saw in the palantir. The world-eating thing.

Also, we should ask what should be done with any species that seem to have come under their sway.

>>33554154
"You wanted help?" You ask.
"Yes. We have failed. Our world is gone. Yet they keep us here." The thoughts are filled with spite. "Help us end."

>Agree to help him
>Refuse
>Ask another question
>Other

>>33554226
That is a total non sequitur anon, go to bed you're tired

>>33554243
This please, the whole universe just got even more dangerous.

>>33554249
"We will help you end if you help us continue"

>>33554249
"The Hive will grant you death, if that is your wish. But we must know more about 'them'."

>>33554249
>Agree to help him
Ask him if there's anything we can use if we ever encounter these beings again and >>33554243

>>33554249
You want to die? Why can't you terminate yourselves?

We need your help first. What do They want? Where did they come from? What do they call themselves?

>>33554249
>Ask another question
How did you fight them?
They have found a new species to control?
What are they doing?

>>33554249
show it this image.
>>33554243


>Turn it around on them. Ask for their assistance in defeating these beings that destroyed them, so that they may never do to other what they did to you.

>>33554249
We need help to avoid a similar end.

>>33554214
>Because there are very, very few reason to pull a Superman if your planet isn't going full Krypton.
Except, we were told in the first thread what we are in the first thread.
>>31423707
>Why would you send a tiny seed of your race deep into space without knowledge, without guidance?
We were sent with a thinker, and because our species rapidly grows, hell we could have made another queen from day 1, i won't be surprised if we meet family eventually.
>Send the equivalent of a baby in a rocket ship?
The baby grew into a queen rapidly with knowledge passed down from her mother.
>Why would you send it deep into uncharted space, in a weak little Pod that can only crash land, disguised as part of a meteor, unless Stealth was paramount?
So that the new queen can survive and grow her hive.

>Why would stealth be paramount unless you had a very thorough and watchful *enemy* that you were hopelessly outclassed by?
Because the queen is fragile, and can be easily killed.
>And also, of course, because for meta reasons: It's the natural storytelling twist.
A good meta reason is that our was made by religious zelots trying to please their masters( we could be easily controlled).

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>Discussion about politics, politicians and even good old usa nuking japan.
>No shitposting.
Thanks for being the best board.

>>33554249
"We are not a mistake. Give us your lost knowledge and we will shield you from them." Dunno how though.

>>33554214
It's not like it costs them anything to do so, could have done it for giggles and shits. Being conscious of world-ending threats is good, but assuming our people is wiped out is actually blinding ourselves to the potential challenge of facing one of our own as enemies.

>>33554239
>>33554250
They force the races to become dependent on tech, so that they can communicate.

>>33554296
and be easily controlled.

It is clear we need more psionic power if we are to defend ourself from this unknown threat. We should upgrade the throneroom with more psionics. Maybe a throne made from Advanced Psionics (the drone module) which we can plug directly into. With slots for placing of void crystals.

>>33554249
"We need your race's technology. What They gave you. How to fight them."

>>33554316
Playing with the crystals seems like a great way to attract unwanted attention.

>>33554316
With slots for placing of void crystals.

Heh No No

No merging with eldrich abominations

>>33554323
Yeah, maybe.

>>33554249
Not yet.

You must teach us first.

>>33554293
We could have been from another galaxy. Basically all they could send with was one pod with a queen in. Maybe there are several galaxies conquered by our species already

>>33554296
Well yes. I wasn't saying that the hive species was uplifted by the singing stones.

I was saying they were eliminated as rivals, somethng they couldn't control but tat had mastered tachyons.

Or it could have been wiped out by a different large threat entirely from the void shards people. Dunno.

>>33554249
"You seek death?"
"Our existence was not our own, but our demise was our choice. Their gifts are our curse. We cannot die."
"Then how could I help you?"
A door opens in response. The room opens and you see a black crystal emerge from the floor. Silver wires flow from the crystal to the rest of the ship, and as the alien speaks you sense it moving slightly, and yet it remains still.
"Only it can grant us piece, and it only responds to those with their will."
"But then why have you not done this?"
"It does not listen to us. We have lost their will. Call it. Tell it to end."

>Ask another question
>Agree (destroy the derelict and void crystal)
>Refuse
>Take the void crystal
>Other

>>33554388
I'm half scared to meet a rival queen.lets make one

>>33554396
>>Refuse
Not until you help us first. We have much to learn.

>>33554396
>Ask another question
How did you fight them?
They have found a new species to control what to do to them?
What are they doing?

>>33554396
>Refuse
We require assistance so we do not meet your fate.
>Ask another question
Does this look familiar?
>>33554243

>>33554393
Or nothing at all. We /don't know/ the fate of our species.

>>33554396
"We will end you soon. But we must know more. We do not wish to die by their hands. Please, if your kind are to end today, grant my kind a future. The kind of future you will have died to ensure."

>>33554434
We don't know shit!
And I don't like it!

>>33554470
make another queen then, since it is pretty easy.

>>33554396
Why did your robots attack before you realized we were telepathic? Why defend, if you want to perish?

We need to know everything you know. The whole sordid history of your race and Them. What is Their goal, their motivations? Where are they physically?

(QD, how large is the black crystal compared to individual void shards we've seen. Larger?)

I suggest we end them without interacting with the crystal, just skull crushing or something. We have no idea how that crap work and it ain't looking good.

>>33554480
We should definitely offer to do that.

>>33554475
>(QD, how large is the black crystal compared to individual void shards we've seen. Larger?)
size doesn't seem to matter since the last one grew to be huge.
>>33554480
They seem to become a hive mind trapped in the particles.

>>33554480
>>33554491
I don't mean it like right now, but after we have all the answer we can get.

>>33554501
Size absolutely, obviously matters. They used to be one large monolith Singing Stone, and then they became tiny little whispers.

They didn't 'grow', exactly, anyway, they folded space.

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>Talking Shards.
>Giant space tentacles.
I don't like where this is going.

>>33554587
>I like where this is going
ftfy

>>33554154
>hundreds of black phantoms, each with pulsing wings.
Explain this visual. Where did they come from? What presence do they have in normal space? Or in No-Space? What are their capabilities, their motives? Why did they uplift you, and why did you rebel?

>>33554396
"No. You must help us first." You say. It groans in response. A deep, aching cry of frustration. "How did you fight them?" You finish.
"We did not. We defied them, that is all, but our defiance was our greatest act. It was the only act we truly did."
"If you wished to die, why did your machines defend you?"
It gives you a somber look, and says, "Not machines. Us. And we thought you served them, and had come to take us back. We will serve no more!"
"Where are they? What do they want?" You are starting to become irritated. These answers remind you of Coil, although of a different alignment.
"They are what they wish. They are where they wish. We knew nothing of their plans, only that we defied them." The creature stairs at your worker, its large skull shaking slightly. "Speak to the Void. Tell it to end."

>>33554475
It is a single crystal, roughly the size of a football. Slightly larger than your own samples when at rest, but only by a few centimeters.

>>33554422
From the hologram recording you can tell that the silver liquid is almost identical to the entity you saw when you peered into the Void shard at your hive.

>>33554396
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We must first be given information relating to them.

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>>33554597
Well, I confess the possibility of Eldritch horrors fucking around do sound interesting.

>>33554661
Let it know peace

>>33554661
"Fine"
end it

>>33554661
Your technology. We need to understand it. How they gave you telepathy, how they gave you immortality. Teach us, and we can release you.

>>33554396
Add: Why do they uplift races? Tell him about the new uplifted race.
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>>33554661
this >>33554705
We need everything they have