>>33476163
"We have defeated gods before. We will do so again. Gozer comes to mind as someone who went out like a chump."

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>>33476163
Bump

By the way guys, I just realized it but I still gave myself a good smack on the head.

All those killings we did, the vampire, the youkai, us letting the Kitsune go. . .we could've COMPLETELY avoided it.

Next time we get back to base, we need to construct ourself an Atomic Destabilizer. It turns physical matter into ethereal (ghost) matter, and turns non-ghost entities into ghosts to be captured.

The Ghosbusters used it to capture the Boogeyman who previously they couldn't touch, and it was the go-to weapon for daemons like Azrun
http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Atomic_Destabilizer
http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Destabilizer

We get these', we'll be able to trap that Kitsune once and for all.

---

On another note, if Yurei is still suffering from Anti-PKE and we want to prevent her from passing on [/spoiler]ignoring the ethics about that[/spoiler] we could invest in either an Molecular Phase Amplifier or an Ethereal Solidifier, to stabilizer her form.
http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Molecular_Phase_Amplifier
http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Ethereal_Solidifier

>>33476163
"The Ghostbusters have a fine history of beating gods into the dirt. We're the descendants of the Exorcists of Ur. It's kind of our job.

Gods? I've heard that they're quite the delicacy overseas.

>>33476163
"We have defeated gods and destroyed their realms, we have also befriended gods and saved their lives.

Gozer, devourer of worlds we smote twice, Ivo Shandor,one of our own mankind who BECAME a god we destroyed AND Gozer's realm with it.

We defeated Tiamat, one of the pantheon of Ishtar. We are descendants of the Exorcists of the city of Ur.

Think you are the only one who has defied the will of gods?"

>>33476974
You should ask Gozer, I bet he's tasted loads of gods and minor dieties in the worlds he's eaten.

>>33476816
The Ethereal Solidifier might also be useful in trapping the Rage Spirit when we go after her eventually. If we can modifiy it into a ray form.

Young lady, you are seriously in the need for a spanking and time-out.

THAT ought to throw her for a loop.

>>33476994
>>33476974
>>33476575
something along the lines of these.

Mentioning us exploding Tiamat would also help, since these guys seem familiar with the sumerians.

>>33477094
I like this, a lot. throw that in there too.

>>33477094
I can get behind that. Go the 'We're the descendants of the Exorcists of Ur. God fighting is our business.' route, AND throw in the 'young lady, you are seriously in need of a spanking and time-out'.

>>33477094
>"We have defeated gods and destroyed their realms, we have also befriended gods and saved their lives.

>Gozer, devourer of worlds we smote twice, Ivo Shandor,one of our own mankind who BECAME a god we destroyed AND Gozer's realm with it.

>We defeated Tiamat, one of the pantheon of Ishtar. We are descendants of the Exorcists of the city of Ur.
and you
>>33476994
>young lady, you are seriously in the need for a spanking and time-out.

>>33477122
Mention how many times we have beaten so-called "gods" before, THEN say that.

>>33477175
Perfect.

>>33476816
realizing this, I kinda feel bad for those spider youkai. Let's build a destabilizer and give it to Akira next time.

>>33477175
>seriously in the need
Gah, I should have corrected that to "seriously in need"

>>33477266
Works eitherway actually

>>33477094
>>33477175
First brag, then treat her like the child she is. I get the feeling that is the best stance we should have with a ghost who's been throwing a temper tantrum for years.

Rolled 3, 6, 9, 2 = 20

>>33477175
"We have defeated gods and destroyed their realms, we have also befriended gods and saved their lives. Gozer, devourer of worlds we smote twice, Ivo Shandor,one of our own mankind who BECAME a god we destroyed AND Gozer's realm with it. We defeated Tiamat, one of the pantheon of Ishtar. We are descendants of the Exorcists of the city of Ur."

You pause and then point direct at her.

"And YOU young lady, are seriously in need for a spanking and a time out!"

Mitsuko snarls at you and raises her hands.

> Roll 1d10 for initiative.

Rolled 2

>>33477568
Bring it, bitch.

Rolled 3

Rolled 4

>>33477568
we ain't afraid of no ghost!

Rolled 10

>>33477568

Rolled 1

Comeon initiative. Don't let this girl hit us hard.

And, uh.... praise to the dice gods?

>>33477611
Dammit, captcha.

Rolled 1

>>33477568
Yeah, we're boned.

>>33477606
Fuck. I knew I shouldn't have rolled today

Rolled 4

first three posts: 2,3,4.
That's just funny enough that I have to laugh "oh dear."

>>33477666
You taunt Fate and the Dice Gods, and then roll?
Yeah, this was going to happen.

Rolled 14, 7 = 21

>>33477606
(Ghost rolls don't apply here, don't worry)

Star opens first with a Stasis Stream.

Akira, as always goes for the proton stream.

> Your turn.
> Remember that you have YOMI-1 up here with you, if someone goes to operate her, you can turn on the Spotlight Proton Cannon and use that, or get the Super-Slammer up and running.

>>33477725
Let's save our Big Guns for when the enemy shows their trump card. For now we need to test her abilities.

This is a very powerful entity, so let's start shaving away some of that power with blasts from the Boson Darts tracing the proton cannon (in game, the Boson Darts and the proton stream can be fired at the same time, and the Boson Darts can be guided by the stream).

>>33477725
Tell Sato to get the Yomi-1 working.
We'll go for a stasis stream.

>>33477725
Should we get Sato to use the Proton Cannon, or do it ourselves?

Thinking back, Sato installed and used it last time, right? He has the most experience with it?

>>33477725
Boson Darts/proton stream on the ghost. Let's whittle it down a little first.

>>33477810
this works better than>>33477818 what I had planned
>Capatcha: Against Firediu
I dunno capatcha, boson darts are designed to lead to fiery destruction of the prostate

>>33477818
>>33477826
They might not recognize we have a proton canon with us, so let's keep it with the element of surprise.

>>33477885
Yeah, I figured that out

>>33477810
>Let's save our Big Guns for when the enemy shows their trump card.

>This is a very powerful entity, so let's start shaving away some of that power

I'm with this mindset, but hoping to weaken her to a point where we may give her the option we gave Kayako. She is just a kid, after all.

>>33477810
Akira shoots his proton stream at Mitsuko, and with a gesture a wall of water rises up from the wet ground and blocks it.

Star's stasis stream has the same reaction, but the wall instantly hardens into crystal and then collapses on its own weight.

You crack off a boson dart at her, while she's looking surprised at the counter to her trick.

> Roll 1d20

Rolled 10

>>33478076

Rolled 12

>>33478076

Rolled 7

>>33478076
After this we need to preemptively spray Posi-slime on any and all water. That stasis stream trick only worked because she was actively manipulating it with PKE, but should also be effective next time she tries it.

Rolled 14

>>33478100
She does that damn trick again, a wall of water blocks your blast from ever getting close to her. On the plus side, the boson dart completely evaporates the water.

Sato tries to see what a blast of slime can do.

>>33478107
With posi-slime, isn't there always the threat that it could be turned into red or black slime, like what happened with the bucket of slime that took our sister, and with that one Gentleman's Club guy?

Rolled 19, 17 = 36

>>33478186
Well, it doesn't to anything to Mitsuko, who teleports to the side, out of the way of the slime cascade, but when it hits the water, it sizzles and bubbles and the foul black color of the water fades away.

"MOMMY! HELP ME! PLEASE MOMMY!" Mitsuko shouts, and blasts a mass of red PKE at the wall.

Red cracks start to form on the wall, and they instantly start to leak water. Something's pushing through.

Mitsuko closes her eyes and concentrates and, again, red PKE starts to charge up around her.

Star and Akira continue with their current tactics of stasis and proton.

>>33478249
Yes, but the upshot of which is that also drains the power of anyone who tries to do it. Not even ghosts can break the law of conservation.

Also, the answer to that is keep dumping more posi-slime, because eventually you will neutralize it same way an acid neutralizes a base. Rookie and the Original Ghosbusters had to posi-slime a ton of black slime and black slime netherportals.

>>33478267
Again, Star's stasis beam seems to be an excellent way to break through her water wall trick.

Actually, from that last shattering, there's not any Foul Water present, just the slime and stasis crystals.

Which means that Akira's blast hits the brat dead center. She howls in pain.

Your turn.

>>33478267
>Red cracks start to form on the wall, and they instantly start to leak water. Something's pushing through.
Oh crap a portal SLIME THAT SHIT IMMEDIATELY

Rolled 6

>>33478310
SLIME THE PORTAL
Or Stasis it.
I'm not sure which is the better idea.

It would appear we have a one-trick-wonder in Mitsuko. Her REAL challenges are going to be her "mothers"
So quickly, what season is it in-game?

>>33478310
Slime that cracking wall!

>>33478338
Slime. Stasis is meant to solidify and slow down PKE energy into crystals (though it still burns regular matter since it is still a particle beam)

>>33478354
>>33478351
>>33478338
>>33478316

You turn towards the pulsing, red cracked, wall and instantly hose it down with slime.

> Roll 1d20

Rolled 1

>>33478391

Rolled 18

>>33478391
Oh dice gods please

Rolled 5

>>33478391
Come on Nat 20

>>33478310
Slime that spot RIGHT NOT!

Rolled 3

>>33478404
The wall hisses and the water stops flowing through the portal, the red glow fades but doesn't go away completely.

Sato blasts Mitsuko with a proton stream.

Rolled 18, 10 = 28

>>33478506
Mitsuko does her teleporting trick and dodges the beam.

She then blasts her red PKE at the wall on the other side of the room, and ANOTHER red crack that pours out water forms.

She also recharges her red PKE as well.

"On it!" Star says as she goes to slime the new portal forming.

Akira is still in Kill-Mode, no surprise there, and tries to blast Mitsuko with proton.

>>33478582
The portal fades, just the same way yours did. It's still there, but it's been beaten back a bit.

Mitsuko keeps teleporting, however, and dodges Akira's blasts.

Your turn.

>>33478582
>18
>Star immediately knows to slime the portal
Now that's a ghostbuster who knows her shit.

>>33478620
Stasis Beam her. Maybe that will help keep her in one place.

Rolled 5

>>33478620
Shoot her again.

>>33478620
Tell Sato keep an eye on the portal, we go help Akira blast Mitsuko.

We must stop her from recharging and drain her energy.

Tell Akira to switch to the Proton-Beam (different from the Proton-Stream) function which is effective against Red-PKE
http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Proton_Beam

I just want to tell you guys, you haven't CLOSED the portal all the way. It just isn't going to open immediately.

>>33478718
Yeah, I know. But if we just keep closing it, Mitsuko will charge up again and reload it. We need to drain some of her energy, then we can close it for good knowing she'll drain herself too much if she tries to open it again.

>>33478701
Do this then. Get rid of that red energy

>>33478620
Switch to proton beam (I bet it's more like an actual laser beam than the stream)

>>33478821
You blast her with the proton stream. (Beam and stream are the same.)

> roll 1d20

Rolled 10

>>33479331

Rolled 6

>>33479331

Rolled 19

>>33479331
Really? As in
>http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Proton_Beam
>The Proton Beam has a great fire range and is most effective against red paranormal entities

Hope it still works then!

>>33479387
>Rolled 19
Apparently it does

Rolled 14

>>33479387
Mitsuko lets out another shriek as your beam tears into her. She keeps teleporting away though, so you can't get a steady lock on her. Still, she isn't happy.

Sato goes to seal the portal you half sealed with slime.

Rolled 19

>>33479699
The crack vanishes and the wall is as intact as it was before, albeit covered in slime.

"This is NOT how this is supposed to BE! You don't play fair! No more cheating!" Mitsuko shouts.

She blasts her red PKE not at you...but at your proton pack.

Rolled 14, 1 = 15

>>33479773
There's sparks and smoke and suddenly the whole damn thing goes dead. Not overheated, it just shuts off.

Mitsuko then recharges her red PKE.

Star continues to seal her portal.

Akira keeps up the assault.

>>33479773
oh shit. Does she have any idea how dangerous that is for everyone, even her!

>>33479773
>19
Okay guys, we go to MORTAL SLIMEBAT!
>byychin lord
yes capatcha we are pretty bitchin.

Rolled 6, 16 = 22

>>33479807
Star's portal vanishes, but Akira can't get a shot off, the brat's teleporting too much.

> Your turn.

> Your proton pack is completely inoperable, and you can see Red PKE cracking across it in a few sensitive places. It's not going to be as simple as rebooting the damn thing.

>>33479855
Go for our bat!

>>33479855
Rip out the Slime hose/tank and douse our pack with Posi-Slime to absorb the Red PKE

Worse comes to worse, we go to the Yomi.

>>33479855
Is the posi-slime hose still got slime in it?
Open the hose to absorb the Red PKE, then went it looks like we won't have a mini-Fukushima on our hands, start up the Proton Cannon.

>>33479909
>>33479944
Wait, since YOMI is here, do we have a spare pack in it?
I recall ECTO-1 having a spare or two.

>>33479944
Thank god the GBE had the smarts to contain the plutonium cores into contained proton canisters, so it shouldn't get that bad even if you crack them open (well, except for dying of cancer and most ghosts likely getting really uncomfortable from the radiation).

>>33479972
It should. But still, leaving a PKE-hot pack is no good. We'll go for that if the slime sponge fails.

>>33479909
>>33479944
>>33480035

You rip out the slime hose, and do some impromptu siphoning. (Suction had to come from SOMEWHERE) Turns out getting a mouthful of posi-slime...not the worst tasting thing in the world. But you don't think it'll be sold in cans from vending machines any time soon...even in Japan.

You pour it over the proton pack.

> Roll 1d20

>>33480035
Technically the packs are particle accelerators.

The cartoons and the second movie made them atomic as an after thought

Rolled 11

>>33480140
Here's hoping we didn't make things worse.

Rolled 7

>>33480140

Rolled 11

>>33480140

Rolled 17

>>33480140
I'm pretty sure slime would be propelled via pneumatic tanks. Suction on such a viscous fluid would be useless anyway, much less propel it through the air
rolling

Rolled 20

>>33480216
Okay, good news is that the red PKE is gone from the pack.

The bad news is that the pack is still inoperable. It's just...off. And covered in slime.

Sato blasts Mitsuko with a proton stream.

>>33480323
As the ancients say; "every dog has his day." Or something like that.

Rolled 13

>>33480323
Sato's shot is dead on, AND it causes her red PKE to fizzle out and disperse.

"NO!" Mitsuko lets out a wail. She tries to teleport away, but without the red PKE, it's not as far or as quick as it was before.

She charges it up again anyway, and shoots it at Sato's pack.

Rolled 11, 14 = 25

>>33480433
It hits Sato's pack, but it doesn't shut off this time. It just instantly overheats.

"Damn it!" Sato says as he starts to vent.

Star and Akira unleash protonic steams at Mitsuko, who is no longer juiced up with red PKE.

Rolled 15, 19 = 34

>>33480482
Bam! Akira's just on the top of his game. Sadly, she's still just a hair faster with her teleport for Star to get her, but you can see the burning hair where Star missed.

> Your turn

> You can try and power it back on now, through a normal cycle, or do, or use, something else.

>>33480524
I think now is a good time to get the Proton Cannon started up.

Hold up, her hair burnt. Is she a ghost or a semi-living being?

>>33480546
Yes, I would say so but that would pend if the trap would work on her.

>>33480572
>>33480524
Question: is the Avatar of water a full on ghost, or a psuedo-living entity?

>>33480524
Siege engine spot on the Yomi please

>>33480546
>>33480602
Eh, might as well. It's about that time, we've weakened her and cut off her reinforcements.

Thankfully the capture stream shouldn't harm her even if she is alive and not a ghost.

>>33480524
Get the siege stuff working.

>>33480646
And then we wrangle her over the trap to check.

>>33480524
Get on that canon and wrangle her with the capture stream.

Rolled 3, 6 = 9

>>33480572
A ghost, but her hair is PKE, a little of it got burt from Star's near miss and then she grew it back.

You scramble towards YOMI-1 and get into the front seat and start turning on the proton cannon, and charging it up.

Sato puts his pack through a cooling cycle and gets it back working.

Mitsuko charges up her red PKE.

"No. No. No no no no no. NO!" She snarls. "I will NOT be bested by NOBODIES!"

She charges up her PKE again, you can see cracks starting to run up her arms and forming around her eyes.

Star and Akira keep up the pressure.

>>33480929
But Mitsuko is teleporting erratically now, it doesn't even look like she's doing it intentionally at this point.

>Your turn.

> You can have the Proton cannon fire three boson darts rapidly, but that'll cause an overheat.
> You can have it do a wide angle protonic wave blast, which will probably be impossible for Mitsuko to dodge, but won't do any more damage than a regular beam.
> You can also try to do a concentrated beam blast on Mitsuko. It'll hit twice as hard as a regular beam, but has the same accuracy as a normal pack's beam.

>>33481008
> You can also try to do a concentrated beam blast on Mitsuko. It'll hit twice as hard as a regular beam, but has the same accuracy as a normal pack's beam.

>>33481008
>> You can have it do a wide angle protonic wave blast, which will probably be impossible for Mitsuko to dodge, but won't do any more damage than a regular beam.
Use capture stream function, lasso her and hold her down for the others to take easy pot shots at.

We can also slam her into the ground to stun her.

>>33481008
>concentrate

>>33481048
>We can also slam her into the ground to stun her.
Like we said, she deserves a good spanking!

>>33481008
Weaken her with the wide angle blast so she'll be easier to concentrate on. Do the capture stream to if we can.

>>33481008
Wide Angle.

>>33481008
>You can have it do a wide angle protonic wave blast, which will probably be impossible for Mitsuko to dodge, but won't do any more damage than a regular beam.

Keep chipping away. No need for overkill. Make the old parental adage "this hurts us more than it hurts you" somewhat feasible.

>>33481008
>Concentrated beam
Twice the power for the same accuracy sounds good.

>>33481008
>You can have it do a wide angle protonic wave blast, which will probably be impossible for Mitsuko to dodge, but won't do any more damage than a regular beam.

Do this. It will at least help with that telespam she's going

>>33481330
>>33481321
>>33481048
>>33481218

You press a few more buttons, turn the AC dial all the way up and set it to defroster, and then press the horn.

A wide blast of protonic energy washes over the room...along with a short rendition of 'La Cucaracha.'

> Roll 1d20

Rolled 12

>>33481493

Rolled 19

>>33481493
>along with a short rendition of 'La Cucaracha.'

Homer Simpson?

Rolled 4

>>33481493
Time to negate that 19.

>>33481559
dammit

>>33481493
God I love Yomi's sense of humor

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>>33481559

Rolled 1

>>33481559
Mitsuko looks at the oncoming wave of energy and teleports...up through the hole in the roof.

She dodged the entire thing.

"And she's bitching about things not being fair?" Star asks as she tries to get her hair to de-frizz after it went all puffy from the wave-blast.

"I think she's more unhappy that this IS a fair fight, that's why she's so unhappy." Sato says.

He then blasts her with a proton stream.

>>33481559
You just had to say that, didn't you?

>>33481684
>>33481559
Suddenly maximum failure.

Rolled 11

>>33481559
Time to negate that 19? You say that the instant you roll a four?
Are you cheating?

Rolled 11, 14 = 25

>>33481684
Which misses completely.

Mitsuko warps back down to the rest of you. "More, more, MORE!" She scream as more cracks in her form start to show, and the red PKE that's already leaking through glows even brighter. "I WANT THEM ALL GONE! I WANT THE TOP OF THIS BUILDING GONE! MORE MORE MOREMOREMORE MOOOOORRRRREEEE!"

Her body is now vibrating with all the PKE power in her, the left side of her face is glowing red, and the red of her face is a mass of cracks. You can see that one of her hands has actually split open and there's just a writhing mass of violent Red/Black PKE there.

You see the paint of the walls is starting to bubble and melt, and there's a low moaning/wailing sound that seems to be coming from nowhere, yet everywhere and is getting louder by every moment.

This is probably not good.

Star tries to get a capture stream around her, as Akira keeps blasting her.

>>33481769
Mother trucker.

>>33481769
She's just not weak enough to be captured, but Akira's got her on her last legs, or at least close to it.

> Your turn.

> Boson Dart overheat
> Wave
> Beam
> She's pretty weak, you might have a chance to put a capture stream around her...maybe.

>>33481684
I agree with Sato, the bullies of the supernatural world say 'fair' and 'proper ways' when they mean keeping mortals in their place.
The moment mankind stands up and says 'fuck that, we believe in FREEDOM', they start hollering about unfairness and other shit.

>>33481831
>> She's pretty weak, you might have a chance to put a capture stream around her...maybe.
If we can get her over the Super Slammer for even a microsecond that is all we need.

>>33481831
BOSON TO THE FACE RIGHT NOW!

>>33481831
>Beam

>>33481831
>Beam

Justice Beam! Beam! Beam! Beam!

>>33481831
>> Beam
Actually, if she's on her last legs let's knock her over it.

Rolled 15

>>33481831
Are we still using the car beam? Because if we are, use the proton beam/stream.

>>33481831
Try another wave.

>>33481836
Be fair. We did the same thing when a kitsune pulled a gun.

>>33481994
All is fair in love and war. In any event, if they escalate we're gonna have to escalate as well.

>>33481931
>>33481919
>>33481888

You flip a couple of switches, press a bunch of buttons, turn off the AC and set the radio to AM 2, twist the knob to turn on the high beams, and press the horn.

The trumpet blast of 'CHARGE' plays

> Roll 1d20

Rolled 14

>>33482127

Rolled 18

>>33482127
Here goes nothing.

Rolled 10

>>33482127

>>33482127
If YOMI whistles Dixie, you know it's finished.
http://youtu.be/zAKksqKR3pI

Rolled 11

>>33482127
Let's give her a well-deserved whoopin.

Rolled 9

>>33482139
There's a loud CRACK as the thick beam of energy slams into Mitsuko and sends her FLYING across the room.

She SLAMS against the wall with enough force to cause a huge impact crater.

"SATO! TRAP NOW!" You yell.

Sato chucks out a ghost trap, right in front of the wall and the dazed Mitsuko.

>>33482273
Aw, no Super Slammer? Oh well. We'll save it for another big ghost. No way in hell this will be Yomi's last piece of action

>>33482273
Quick! What should we say as our one-liner?
I know!
"Young lady, you are GROUNDED!"

>>33482297
It's a 1d12, I think we're alright.

>>33482312
"We'd send you to your room, but that's where all of your stuff is."

>>33482341
Yeah, we owe her that big spanking of course so we're totally gonna dish it out by slamming her into the trap.

With a scream and a wail Mitsuko is sucked inside the ghost trap.

"YOUNG LADY!" You shout as you jump out of YOMI. "YOU. ARE. GROUNDED!"

The trap slams shut with a snap.

There's a pause. The little light on the trap blinks for a bit.

Then the walls start to leak again, only the water is clean and pure. It's also filled with more of those little yellow sparks.

"Not as many as Sadako or Kayako." Star says as she watches the little flecks of light go up into the air and disappear.

"Hey, if they are what we think we are, I say freeing one of them is a big win for us." Sato says.

Akira nods. "But why was she so powerful? I don't think she was a Legion Entity, or was a psychic in life."

"Maybe cause she was the last Avatar? All of Oiwa's power was going to her?" Sato says as he goes to retrieve the trap. "Maybe the yokai did something, who knows. We won. Let's get down from here, get YOMI home, Akira to the clinic, and this bitch in the Containment Unit where she be-

That's the point where the ghost trap holding Mitsuko explodes in a burst of red PKE.

Sato is knocked to the floor by the shockwave. The rest of you are forced back, covering your face and eyes.

Mitsuko is hovering there. She looks bad. Her legs are completely gone, and half of her face is missing as well, you can see right through her.

There's a sense of...less...to her. She's a bit more translucent than before, and there's no PKE cracking around her hands. Her hands are also slightly fading in and out.

She looks like she must have expended a LOT of PKE to break free. Too much. More than just that red PKE she was generating.

You can see her try and flex her insubstantial hands to generate more...but nothing comes. In fact she makes a whimpering grunt and drops to her hands and 'knees' on the ground.

"Help...please...anyone...help me!" She sobs. "I can't...I can't...they took all my Mommies...they took my sisters...I can't hear Grandma Oiwa...help me...help me, help me!" She sobs.

(Cont)

>>33482590
>That's the point where the ghost trap holding Mitsuko explodes in a burst of red PKE.
Well. . .that's a first. And it's not very good.

Not good at all, this isn't supposed to be possible from the /inside/

>>33482590

>Grandma Oiwa

This might be relevant for why she is so stupid powerful.

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>>33482590
"Well, there's no kami here today. Just ME."
And get another trap out and have Akira hit her with a capture stream.

>>33482590
>I can't...I can't...they took all my Mommies
But we only took Winter?

>>33482590
Before any of you can get a bead on her, throw a trap, or in Sato's case, get back up, a green flame bursts to life on the wall you forcibly introduced Mitsuko to.

"Come child!" A voice says. "Hurry!"

You see something through the flame. It looks like a...a fox headed woman in a green kimono. It's not the same one who's hand you blew off.

Mitsuko lunges for the flame.

You're the first one to get your wand out, and the only one with a clear shot.

You can try and re-capture Mitsuko, but it's not going to be an easy shot.

However, you notice something else. There's still some little flecks of light being freed from the water. They're not disappearing like normal. They're being sucked towards Mitsuko again.

If you sprayed slime, that would probably be enough to keep them free and clear. However, Mitsuko would get away.

Or if you don't care about Mitsuko, and want to try for the BIG brass ring, you can try and fire a Boson Dart at the flame portal. If it hits, you'll not only hurt the kitsune, but the portal will be sealed and Mitsuko won't get away. However, the odds are worse than trying to just capture Mitsuko.

> Go for the sure thing, protect the souls and spray slime.
> You are NOT letting that brat get away, it's worth the risk, try to capture Mitsuko
> Like HELL are you letting a Kitsune steal YOUR capture! Especially AFTER you caught her! Fire the boson dart.
> Other

>>33482742
All of the golden flecks of light were the souls of the people Mitsuko had killed, including all of the women who she took as surrogate mothers.

>>33482771
>Like HELL are you letting a Kitsune steal YOUR capture! Especially AFTER you caught her! Fire the boson dart.
Go big or go home!

>>33482676
It is a first, but not unexplainable. During the IVO incident, the ghosts had apparently grown stronger that the usual pull of the trap didn't work and they had to be wrangled in (in the film, all the ghostbusters had to do was get them over the trap and then they could turn off their stream)

Who knows what the 100 blood moons are doing to these ghosts.

>>33482771

> Go for the sure thing, protect the souls and spray slime.

We are here to help people, not just beat stuff up.

>>33482771
>You are NOT letting that brat get away, it's worth the risk, try to capture Mitsuko

We cant just let the last fucking avatar of Oiwa walk away guys,

>>33482771
> You are NOT letting that brat get away, it's worth the risk, try to capture Mitsuko
She's obviously important to them, so we can let them have her and use her.

>>33482823
Even if they are caught in the trap with Mitsuko, the containment unit is peaceful and it's better than the alternative ways to be trapped on earth. They'll simply have to wait a bit longer for the afterlife, but they'll still get there eventually on judgement day when trumpets sound.

>>33482771
> You are NOT letting that brat get away, it's worth the risk, try to capture Mitsuko
Take her out!

>>33482773
Gotcha.
>>33482771
>You are NOT letting that brat get away, it's worth the risk, try to capture Mitsuko

Might have to use the Super Slammer to trap her. Wrangle Mitsy right on top of YOMI and drag her in.

>>33482771
>You are NOT letting that brat get away, it's worth the risk, try to capture Mitsuko
>While buying time by doing so, get the others to shoot the portal
Doubly sure.

>>33482924
Yes, separate Mitsuko from the Kitsune as long as possible. But at least have someone try to slow her down with a stasis stream.

We cannot let the enemy gain another valuable asset, we already let the other kitsune go.

>>33482917
>>33482905
>>33482889

You shoot a capture stream at Mitsuko's retreating form.

> Roll 1d20

>>33482771
> Like HELL are you letting a Kitsune steal YOUR capture! Especially AFTER you caught her! Fire the boson dart.
We absolutely can NOT let her escape! Even if it is just a slim chance, we should TAKE IT!

Rolled 11

>>33482953
Here goes everything.

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Rolled 13

>>33482953
Let's go!

Rolled 2

>>33482953
YAAAA!!

Rolled 20

>>33482953
Rollan

Rolled 8

>>33482953
Yeah, we're fucked.

>>33482806
After today we're going to have to ask Spengler to look into designs for a reinforced trap for the bigger ghosts.

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>>33482988
>nat20
>40 seconds too late
FUUUUUUCK!!

>>33482771
> Go for the sure thing, protect the souls and spray slime.

Rolled 8

>>33483023
IT WAS MY FIRST ROLL EVER TOO FUCK

>>33483027
Damnit. Too late. Why aren't we protecting the souls again?

>>33483045
Because we risk damming even more souls if Mitsuko gets into their hands, also if we trap mitsuko we trap the souls as well, ending their suffering at least even if it isn't afterlife.

>>33483071
I'm just thinking she's going to absorb hundreds of peoples' souls, and we don't have a realistic way to free them. Stopping her can happen later. Saving those souls will be much more difficult.

>>33483138
Stopping her will be much harder later, as for freeing their souls the ghostbusters have a LOT of souls in their containment unit. Thousands of ghosts were once living human souls. All of them need to be freed, eventually, but the important thing is they aren't hurting anyone else or themselves anymore in the containment unit. They're at peace, not eternal peace, but peace nonetheless.

>>33483138
As for freeing them, the only surefire way is to help them dissipate from this mortal realm. Like how all the sparks just vanish, they pass on and no longer exist in our world but the next, as the soul is immortal.

Hundreds of thousands of souls that Ivo Shandor absorbed to become a god passed on when the ghostbusters destroyed him and the entire Gozer universe with Total Protonic reversal (as well as any souls who were trapped in the Gozer Realm more than likely). Would that we could afford to do the same to our containment units, but we can't for now.

>>33482972
Your beam streams out and just barely snags around her wrist.

You pull it back with every ounce of force that you can and Mitsuko is jerked back for just a fraction of a moment.

However, you are not alone. That gap in time is just enough for three more capture streams to streak out and grab her and toss her, slamming her against another wall.

"Told you we were going to give you a spanking!" Akira says as he tosses out his own trap.

"NO!" Mitsuko sobs. The little flecks of light that were gravitating towards her now turn away and disappear.

"Damn." The kitsune says. The fire disappears instantly.

Mitsuko is sucked into the trap, again.

You all spend about five minutes staring at the trap, proton wands pointed directly at it. Nothing happens.

You all sag in relief.

PKE scans of the wall show nothing, no trace of any identifiable, charted, PKE energy. You may need to make new charts and meters.

After a rather dicey, slow, but uneventful, elevator ride down. You manage to get YOMI back on ground level. The slime filled tires are holding, sort of...you're pretty sure you can get her back to the Dumpling Factory in one piece.

You roll YOMI out of the building, and you see a little unusual sight. Two people sitting on beach folding chairs, watching the sun slowly come up.

You recognize them. It's the Middle-Eastern Man who hosted the game show, and that gorgeous red-haired woman who helped you with Kayako.

They look like they're tailgating. Or, just finishing up tailgating at least. The woman looks like she just finished another kind of activity and is enjoying a smoke on an electric cigarette.

"Do we want to talk to them?" Sato asks. "Get some answers?"

"Sato, Akira's still shot, and you're slightly bleeding from ghost trap shrapnel." Star says pointing at some red spots on Sato's jumpsuit. "You two need to see Nurse Reika, and YOMI needs to get home too." She looks at you.

(Cont)

>>33483299
"If you want to talk to them, you can...but don't forget that you have a sister back at Sachiko's who is worried about you." Star says. "It's almost dawn. She'll probably have to go home soon and sleep so she can be able to work at her jobs."

The two individuals are just calmly watching the sun rise over the Reject Zone. They're not spending too much attention to you. However, you don't feel any sense of danger or hostility near them.

> Approach them, if anyone will have any answers it would probably be them.
> Go home and see Kaede before she has to go back home.
> Other

>>33483386
>Approach them, if anyone will have any answers it would probably be them.
Dr. Spengler did say that they can be helpful if you play along.

>>33483386
>Go home and see Kaede before she has to go back home.
Ask Star if she feels up to giving them a chat, or if she'd prefer to fix up her hair?

>>33483386
> Other
Check if the PKE interference is down and if your phone is working again. Text your sister to see if she and the base is still well.

then approach them with star, maybe something along the lines of "beautiful sunrise isn't it" to see if they're willing to talk.

Go home and see Kaede. Family is more important than whatever vague riddles these guys will tell. And I get the feeling they will approach US like they have the other times.

>>33483386
Thing is... What can they really tell us right now that they can't tell us tomorrow? Unless its like ten days or less to the Last Night, I say we walk on by.
And probably run back to ask what the hell that was about, even if the players know it's probably the same bitch who hooked the P-COC rep.

>>33483486
Ehh, I suppose this is true. Let's go home then, and not break tradition.

>>33483386
>Go home and see Kaede before she has to go back home.

>>33483386
Was going to go with something like this. Might just call up Sana or Sachiko, though. Kid sis might still be getting some shut eye… or still listening to stories of our escapades.
>>33483453
A cameo appearance is hard to pass up.

>>33483386
>Go home and see Kaede before she has to go back home.
But don't ignore them, just give them a polite greeting/goodbye.

HOw about
>give them a polite greeting/goodbye.
>If they engage in conversation, we continue it

Don't forget to text our sister

>>33483386
> Go home and see Kaede before she has to go back home.
if they wanna talk to you, they'll talk to you. Just give them a wave or a "Good Morning" or something.

So is there any way we can talk to Mitsuko after she got sealed up. She might be a brat, but I kind of feel bad for her.

>>33483611
We could requisition a containment glass box like the kind they use on slimer, but that's meant for very low level ghosts like slimer and if Mitsuko could muster enough juice to break through a fucking trap we can't take that type of risk.

She'll be sleeping like a baby in the containment unit at least, like they all are.

>>33483433
>>33483486
>>33483498

You wave your hand dismissively at the pair. "They'll come to us if it's important." You say. "Actually hold on..."

"HEY!" You yell at them. "IS THE WORLD GONNA END TOMORROW?"

They look at each other. Then they shake their heads.

"Ok. Have a Good Morning! We're going to bed!" You wave goodbye.

The red-head laughs hysterically at that. The man looks, slightly annoyed but also vaguely amused. He gives you all a dismissive wave, and then goes back to his dawn watching/beer.

You slowly get YOMI back to the Dumpling Factory, where the tires finally give out and deflate into puddles of goo.

Yurei is also glad to be back home and safe too. Just being in the Dumpling Factory helps her a lot. So you'll be able to stabilize her PKE matrix...or something...later.

Sato and Akira are taken by Star to the clinic so they can receive treatment by Nurse Reika and her massive...bandages.

The Dumpling Factory HAS looked better however. The fight Sana, Sachiko, and the Vampire has trashed the place pretty well. Nothing that a day of cleaning can't fix, but you're not getting those proton burns and bloodstains off of the ceiling any time soon.

You, after getting into regular clothes, go next door.

"And there I am, trapped inside a refrigerator coffin, in a smelly hippy van, and not thirty feet away, Jimi Hendrix is doing something AMAZING, during a sound check of all things!" Kali sighs. "That's when I discovered that being a vampire is really Fu...ahem...really lousy. Hey! Look who's back! How'd it go?"

Kaede looks like she had a fun evening at least. She gets up and gives you a formal bow. "I'm glad you are well, brother."

> Giver her a proper bow in return
> Hug her
> Other

>>33483709
Do the same thing we did last time, reciprocate bow and run up and hug her. She knows us by now.

>>33483709
>whynotboth.jpg
There's a precedent we must uphold.
"Could've been better, could've been dead."

>>33483709
> Giver her a proper bow in return
> Hug her
Is there really any other way?

>>33483709
Give a bow, turn it into a hug, and then fall asleep standing up.

>>33483709
> Giver her a proper bow in return
>Hug her
"Could have been better, but at least it didn't get worse. Freed a lot of suffering souls, at least. Oh, and Kali, the hotel is clear now. Sorry about the hole in the roof, though it's better than what would have happened if we hadn't made it."

>>33483709
"We came, we saw, we kicked their asses. Could've gone better, but we came out pretty alright considering."
And Bow Hug.

>>33483709
"If two Oni show up tomorrow/later today and we're not around for it, don't worry and pay them.

It's a long story."

You give Kaede a proper bow, and then startle her when you hug her. She just pats you on the back.

You let go and turn to Kali. "Came, saw, kicked ass. It...could have been better, but at least it didn't get worse. Freed a lot of suffering souls, at least. Oh, and Kali, the hotel is clear now. Sorry about the hole in the roof, though it's better than what would have happened if we hadn't made it."

She waves it off. "With your record, I'm just happy the building is still standing."

"Do you know any kitsune?" You ask.

"Me? Nah, ask your rabbit friend. Japanese yokai tend to avoid the Chinese Devil. Anyway, kitsune are sociopaths...clinically. Even the nice ones. That kami of theirs supposedly keeps them in line."

"Yeah, about that." You say. "Is it possible for a Kami to be...gone?"

"Gone?" Sachiko asks. "Someone killed a Kami?"

"You can't do that." Kali says. "And, like I said, I'm a foreigner, I try to stay out of it. Ask the rabbit. However, I've never heard of a kami or a 'God' or anything like being 'Gone.' They can 'die' but that rarely slows them down, but I've never heard of them being just 'gone.' What I DO what to know is where your secretary got so good at fighting games!" She points to Sana who's crashed on Sachiko's couch. "She beat us all! Even your linguist sister."

"I preferred light gun games." She says. "Brother...could you walk me to the train station. I should return home and get some sleep."

"Sure." You say.

"Hey, kiddo." Sachiko says with a yawn. "You think about our offer. Okay?"

She just bows to the two women. "Thank you for your hospitality."

You both leave and walk towards the train station.

"What offer?" You ask.

"Priestess Sachiko says that she could find me a position working here in the restaurant Miyagi's." She says. "And Miss Kali says that my talents with languages would be helpful in her relocation project. She also said that she'd be happy to escort me on a trip to Paris, and Venice, and many other places."

(cont)

>>33484161
"It sounds nice." You say. Your mind is slightly preoccupied with thoughts of having to get 500,000 yen together by tomorrow to appease stern yakuza Oni.

"It..." Kaede bites her lip and wipes her eyes. "It..."

"Kaede?"

"It sounds WONDERFUL!" She breaks down sobbing and grabs you. "It's wonderful, and magic, and everything I wanted and more than a few things I dreamed, and Kali tells wonderful stories, and Sachiko is so nice and will teach me to dance, and Sana says I can get my degree through study here, your coworkers are funny and cool, and Miyagi's smells so nice and the two men there are the nicest and everything here is beautiful and wonderful and exciting and it's scary and and and I miss you so much and I want to be a part of all of this SO. BAD!" She sobs into your chest.

She swallows and pushes away, wiping her eyes. "But I can't. I...I can't. Mom will be coming back from Nagano soon, and Father needs me there, and...and..." She sniffs. "They need me, and if I leave...it'll hurt them more."

She's teetering on the edge. You can see it. She'll be able to get on that train and get back into her life, and go back to her regular life. She'll get back into school, back into proper Japan culture, and she won't have any more regrets than the next person. She has the drive, and she'd do it just on inertia. As much as you upset her life, she can still claw her way back...and she'd be happy.

But all it would take would be a little push, maybe less than a word...and she'd not get on the train. She'd stay here in the Reject Zone. Learn languages, see amazing things, be here in the weird, the magic, the danger, you...and you'd have part of your family back. She'd be happy too. It'd be dangerous, but lets not kid ourselves, just sending her away will not lessen the danger. Especially if Oiwa levels the city. The other girls love her, and you know that someone with her drive and ability could succeed here.

(cont)

>>33484368
>toughdecisonsahead.jpg

Who wants to make a pro and con list?

>>33484368
But...it would destroy your family. Mother, Father, probably a good deal more people as well that are related to you.

One person leaving is just an unfortunate disaster. Something that could possibly be recovered from.

If both the Son AND the Daughter left?

Ruin.

Also, if something goes wrong for the two of you here? You'd be doomed. There would be no one to turn to. There is no safety net, no second chance, no nothing. This would be your life, good or ill, and if it's ill...maybe you could handle it...but if something goes wrong for Kaede? She'd fall, and that would be that.

Could you do that to your parents?

Could you ask so much of your Sister?

But, do you want your sister to turn her back on being apart of...well...something fantastic? Just for the sake of 'expectation?' And why shouldn't she be able to make her own destiny?

Or are you only asking her to stay because you're lonely.

Whatever this is, you know one thing for certain.

The train is arriving, and Kaede has plans to leave.

"Goodbye, brother." She says.

> "Goodbye, sister."
> "Kaede...wait..."

>>33484368
>>33484417
Heroe's Journey, kiddo. No guts, no glory.

Looks like we're either going to get a long silence or a vigorous debate for the next hour or so, since this is a pretty tough damn decision and should be deliberated on.

>>33484519
I dunno. It's her decision.

>>33484417
>Go Home
Pro's:
Family (including extended) is able to stay together and recover.
Will be happy.
Social safety nets in place in case there are problems.
Be integrated back into regular society.
Again, will be happy.

Con's:
Will have the regret of always wondering what might have been.

>Stay Here
Pro's:
Will be able to live her dream

Con's:
Will destroy our family, drive Father to an early death and Mother will die embittered and alone; extended relatives also emotionally distraught.
Complete ostracization from the rest of national society.
No safety net if something goes wrong.
No guarantee that things will work out.

>>33484555
She's already decided to go home; she wants to stay but believes that going home is for the greater good of the family.
We can sway her to stay just by mentioning it.

By our choice, her choice will be affected.

>>33484555
True, and yet, though she would be happy with the life she has at home, we also know she would be even more happier achieving the greatness that we've already denied her once with our actions.

Should we deny it to her again? Or is that wishful thinking. . .

As for Mom and Dad, they are reaching out to us but likely, we'll never reciprocate. If Kaede were to come with us, in time, maybe they would follow. Or not.

One thing is for sure, we're not going to get on good terms with them by coming to them anytmie soon.

>>33484586
That's a good point, we killed her dreams by ostracizing our family the first time and having her pick up the pieces of our family, and we'd be killing it again if we let her go.

>>33484586
>Should we deny it to her again? Or is that wishful thinking. . .
We'd only be giving her a chance at something better, with a great chance at failure and no chance at recovery.

She goes home, she's guaranteed to be happy. Not as happy as she could be, but content.

She stays here, and she puts everything on the line, and our family is guaranteed to be ruined.
Dad will likely lose his job; for someone of his generation, that's tantamount to his failure as a human being. His only recourse would be suicide.

Maybe if we talked to them, get them to consider "sending Kaede to a different school in the next city over", then it might work so long as no one knew she was in the Reject Zone.

>>33484672
We'd be killing her dream, but the alternative is to kill the rest of our family.
We did both the first time, now we're being made to choose one or the other this time.

>>33484558
I think that it comes down to what we think should be valued more. Individual achievement and satisfaction is a VERY Western idea, but putting aside one's needs for the good of the family and society as a whole is a predominantly Eastern idea, it shows up elsewhere but it's most prominent here.
So what's it gonna be, guys? Are we going to go full gaijin or are we going to take one for the team?
There might, MIGHT be a way to have our cake and eat it too, but it'll be hell to pull off.

>>33484728
It's a very good chance though, you must admit, with the entire international Ghosbuster community to help with her education and financing, Sachiko and Kali.

Even in the worst case if she is ostracized in japan, there is a world outside of Japan where none of that matters and she would be able to pursue whatever she wished.

The family is a good point though, that'd be tricky. But you make a good point about having Kaede sent to a different school.

The extended family is also an issue, but if they are willing to leave us for something like this, how much of a "family" does that make them?

>>33484469
The thing about this life is that one should not just stay with what they have just to be content.
She is at least in high school, right? Soon, she will have to leave her parents in some way to pursue a dream. And what good is a dream if without any risk? Taking risks and leaps of faith can lead into greatness. And this doesn't seem like she's abandoning her parents to me. She is being given a chance to see the world, learn things she never knew, or could have known.
What is life without a risky adventure?
>"Kaede...wait..."

>>33484796
>There might, MIGHT be a way to have our cake and eat it too, but it'll be hell to pull off.
We are Ghostbusters after all, and by god hell is (almost literally) our territory.

>>33484796
The only way to have Kaede pursue her dream while our family not imploding entirely involves lots of lies, lots of money, and lots of luck.

We need to do that job for the rich youkai, because we're going to need the money, especially after the payoff we need to make to the Oni tomorrow.
Then we need to talk with our Dad, and convince him to "send Kaede to a boarding school", and that "she received several scholarships to make it possible".
That's where the money comes in; we need to make up the difference that Kaede not bringing in an income will make.
That's pretty much the bare outline of the plan.

>>33484818
>but if they are willing to leave us for something like this, how much of a "family" does that make them?
A family that doesn't want to be associated with someone who is the cultural equivalent of a terrorist.
It's not just social standing we're talking about here, there are real and very painful consequences for what this would do to anyone related to us. Look at what happened to our Dad, and that's going to happen to anyone related to us.

>>33484818
It makes them Japanese, where the ultimate sin is bringing shame upon the family.

Why don't we just come straight out and ask her:
"Where will you be happiest?"

>>33484863
Oh for fuck's sake.
This is exactly the kind of Western-blinded attitude that >>33484796
was talking about.
If something goes wrong, then there is no recovery for Kaede. You gloss over the financial dangers, but if one doesn't have money, then no, you can't make a new start.
And Daisuke already mentioned that this WILL impact our parents, that it WILL be seen as abandoning them, and so your interpretation is the self-centered egocentric view of a gaijin.

Taking risks that could lead to disaster and pulling them off is a Ghostbuster specialty! If we can hold what amounts to GODS in a prison, them damn it, we can pull off a dream while still holding together a family!

I feel that the last few posts here are exactly what is going on in Daisukes head. Torn between two persona's, each trying to do what's right. And no matter how heated it gets, it's pretty awesome.

>>33484950
See, the thing is her personal happiness isn't her highest priority. Familial duty is very important.

Even though, if you think about it, the three aspects of Oiwa are all girls who have been let down BIG TIME by people they were supposed to be loyal to.

>>33484965
Well, sorry if it seems like that.
But, come on! We are /tg/ of four-chan playing as a ghostbuster! There has to be SOME way we can pull this off!

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>>33484950
We already know that, and she already knows that.
The question isn't "Where will she be happiest?", it's "Is a chance at her dream (not guaranteed) worth destroying the lives of our parents and of the rest of our relatives (guaranteed)?"
That's the question here.
Is one person's chance at greatness worth the lives of her family.

>>33484965
>>33484940
>>33485033
Tradition is important, but if you think about it, it's also the thing we're going to need to overcome.

We are supposed to break the tradition that brings shame to Oiwa daily and give her peace. If we can't overcome this, how would we be able to accomplish bringing back Oiwa's face when that is even more embedded in Japanese tradition?

>>33485040
>sorry if it seems like that
There is no "seems" about it, that's what it is.

If we let her on the train, we may never see her again in the story. But if we convince her to take a chance, it could lead to some very interesting character development for Daisuke and the rest.

>>33485033
Like here's the thing, this current crisis we're facing now, with the Youkai?

All that wanting people to stay scared of the dark?

Pretty sure it's bigger then them, and reflects on a generational gap in Japan itself, general fear of shifting cultural tides.

>>33485075
The problem is that even if she does go back to our family, her life WILL get better.

Like she won't be working those waitress jobs forever, and will get to go back to school somewhere.

It's not like we're leaving her to toil in mediocrity, she could still conceivably attain success.

>>33485064
>Is one person's chance at greatness worth the lives of her family.
Ask yourself, is it?

Everyone lives, everyone dies. We ourselves have been the unfortunate hand at the end of others, but only out of what is right. One should put their destiny in their own hands, not at the hands of others. Even if they are the hands of one related by blood, even one they love.

All life ends, but it's how you lived that life is what matters. Did you live your life? Or did you live for somebody else. . .

This looks like it all really boils down into a tradition vs. dreams conflict. There are so many reasons to take one or the other. Set in logic, facts, and common sense.
From what I see, however, has no bearing on those whatsoever. What I see is emotion, and a chance to act. I personally feel that it might end up being the best if we take that chance.
And I am hoping that if such a circumstance played out in real life, the brother would stop the sister.
Please. Let her stay

>>33485176
We could help out covertly even if she goes back home, couldn't we? I know that accepting charity is like scrabbling in the dirt to a great many people, but we could dress it up with words like 'scholarship' and 'opportunity' and 'career training'. Even if we don't bring her into our world, we can still help her go to Paris. We have friends with respectable friends.

>>33485075
>shame to Oiwa
Shame isn't what's associated with Oiwa; it's retribution and vengeance.
Rightfully so, in all versions of the tale.
The only difference is that the earlier versions and movies had Oiwa's ghost do some redeeming acts like reuniting her sister with her sister's fiancee, while later interpretations focused solely on her hatred for Iemon.

>>33485176
But the same thing could be stated if she stays with us.

It is not like what we are asking would get her killed. If she is captured to hold as ransom against us, it is just as likely to happen here as it is there.

If she goes back, there's still the chance that her live gets worse to. There is no guarantee either way.
I am just rooting for her staying.

>>33484469
You already know what needs to be done, so I won't stand in your way. Just know that the offer will never leave the table, if you ever change your mind. In the mean time, we Ghostbusters will work to build up our reputations to far exceed the expectations of those who look down upon us. Heck, by the time you graduate, you might be able to have all of that without worry of being ostracized.

Big brother still has his baseball bat. The monsters he's protecting you from are just going to be much farther away.

> "Goodbye, sister."

>>33485222
Tradition has always been the enemy, at every turn and every corner. We've been tasked by Oiwa to help break tradition.

Do we let tradition win our sister as well? When we would fight hell and every ghost on the planet for her, we give her up for this?

>>33485240
I didn't say was associated with shame, but that tradition doesn't bring her any good light and we're supposed to break that.

I agree with this >>33485094 so

>>33484469
> "Kaede...wait..."

>>33485222
Part of the problem is that when we get down to it, Daisuke's dedication to justice and general stubbornness can make him kind of cold.

Like since he signed up with the Ghostbusters, and his family has made it clear that they no longer wish to be associated with him, I don't think Daisuke has given them a second thought.

The same philosophy that allowed him to focus on what was right, no matter how many lives it ruined, enables him to think that if his family is done with him, then he's done with them, and that's that.

Can our sister do the same? What can we do to assuage the guilt that we didn't really bother with?

>>33485211
>Did you live your life? Or did you live for somebody else. . .
And herein lies the Western egotism and narcissistic self-importance that you so obviously cherish.
That you can't see just how self-centered your viewpoint is, really shows that you can't understand another culture.

>>33485240
But the Youkai who seem to be capitalizing on the Oiwa thing, they're all about tradition.

Like the way they've lived their lives seems to be in danger and they think that if they unleash a spooky ghost then it'll all go back to the good old days.

But you can't turn back time.

>>33485270
>There is no guarantee either way.
No, it IS guaranteed that her life will get better away from us.
It's her life with us that's questionable.

>>33485277
Yeah I guess I can agree with this.

It seems wrong either way.

Either we're asking her to kill our family, who even if we no longer care about them, she certainly does, or not live up to her full potential.

>>33485316
And in you I hear the same echo of those ghosts and spirits who seek to plunge the world into darkness all for the sake of culture and tradition that we are desperately fighting to keep back. That you do not see this yourself only displays the very same flaw that is as we speak killing lives and causing death.

>>33485306
It is actually a bit hard to say. Remember, the only mention of his family before his sister came into the picture was in the very first episode of this quest. We don't really know much about them or how they think outside of what we are told in that first episode.
As for his sister, who knows? We may have to deal with it as it comes. One cannot completely predict the outcome of every action

>>33485405
While you have a point, I feel like if we burn all the old world to the ground, we'll just reach a different kind of oppression and sterility.

I say let her stay. I really don't want her to disappear from the story. Otherwise, her whole appearance could be just like "hey, we have a sister, and we are fighting the third aspect because of her." and nothing else of impact. I really want her to stay and see what we can do to build up this zone.

>>33485432
Well yeah, I'm just saying that the MC is an "out of sight, out of mind" kind of guy.

Even though we're probably gonna have to deal with our parents at some point.

> "Kaede...wait..."
I don't feel that Ghostmaster would try to give us a bad end if we tried our damndest to work hard and think even harder.

>>33485493
Look, if she said she was gonna do this, then I wouldn't talk her out of this, but if she decided to stay, then she clearly cares more about our family than we ever did.

I don't want to have to deal with her own guilt, misplaced or not.

>>33485477
The ghosts would burn the world to achieve the opposite. Two objects cannot exist in the same place at the same time. Do we choose the Old World or the New World?

>>33485405
No, you dense motherfucker, the ghosts and youkai are using the idea of traditions and precedent to go back to being on top. Much of Japanese traditional folktales and culture show humans beating down youkai and ghosts when they get too uppity.
They're only appealing to tradition because it's easier to get human spiritualists onboard with that party line than the true Youkai Supremacy agenda they have.

This is a choice between hurting others for personal gain versus accepting a given level of happiness in order to bring happiness to others.
The way that you are trying to frame this choice is steeped in Western thinking, and I'm saying that it needs to remain in a Japanese context because the character is Japanese.

>>33485538
He is a Japanese character who has already rejected much of Japanese tradition and society anyway, and rightly so.

>>33485527
Do NOT say that. That implies that we cared very little, and from the actions of Diasuke, I'd say he cares a lot, but is unable to act on any of those because of the culture he's in. Hell, he was considering SUICIDE at the beginning of this quest to spare his family the shame! But he found something to do and made peace inside himself.

>>33485538
>>33485546
And given the choice to hurt others to do what is right, and not hurt others to do what is wrong, what have we done in the past?

>>33484469
>"Goodbye, sister."
>>33485493
That's some pretty selfish reasoning you got there.

>>33485504
And that's just naive. Because we got nothing in terms of ideas or plans and you're assuming that she'll be able to leave the story so easily.

And when you get down to it, if she needs to be persuaded to risk it all and go on an adventure, she has no business doing it at all. She chose to stay by the fire, and we should respect that.

While I, as a player, don't know which choice I would make, I think that the character we are playing would want his sister to take the risk for happiness. Mostly based on the fact that he stood up for what was right and was thrown out of school and turned on by both his parents and most of society, and not once has he regretted the choice he made.

That's just my interpretation of the character, though.

>>33485591
This is a story! I'm thinking about how this can be improved and given character development!
It's not selfish, it's detatchaed.
>"Kaede...wait..."

>>33485603
I agree. Whether or not it ends up being the right or wrong answer in the end, it is closer to how he'd think and act.

>>33485577
This isn't right or wrong, justice or injustice. This is about personal gain, acquiring the chance at personal success at the expense of others.

Do I think that we should try to find a way so that she can stay in the Zone without making our family collapse?
Of course.

But don't try to make this seem better than it actually is, because it IS about personal gain at the expense of others versus achieving happiness by making the lives of others better.

>>33485603
From what I've seen, I think Diasuke would have her stay too.

>>33485603
You're glossing over the fact that Daisuke felt that the deaths of others was an acceptable price to pay for justice to be done.

>>33485577
>>33485603
But are we doing what's wrong? Like she WILL get to go back to school, and she will be able to get a respectable job and get a happy life. From what I've gathered, our family isn't abusing her or anything like that.

She will still be happy, what she's doing now, is choosing not to open the Mystery Box.

And I think she might be wiser for it.

>>33485661
And it was

>>33485664
If we didn't choose to open the Mystery box with Sato, we'd be pizza under a subway car.

>>33485621
And I feel like she's yet another plot thread that we can't really afford to address.

We've STILL been blowing off those rabbit spirits that are paying us so much money.

>>33485661
I'm not glossing over that fact. If anything it further convinces me that asking her to stay because he thinks it would make her happier is something Daisuke the character would do.

>>33485664
Sure, she'll probably be happy if she goes back. But if she stays, she might be happier. And feel more fulfilled in her life.

>>33485698
Which proves that this is not the same situation that we were in. She still has options, we didn't.

>>33485700
You know, if we did that job so well as to aquire more funds we'd already have at least one of the problems solved.

>>33485698
But she's not us.

And she still has a future that she can earn.

Look, the Reject Zone is something you're either left no choice but to go, or something you embrace wholeheartedly. There's no place for dawdlers here, if she needs to have us persuade her to stay, then she'll never survive in a place like this.

>>33485669
Now, ask yourself, would Daisuke kill another person for personal gain? Would he ruin the lives of others, just so he could personally have a better life?
No sharing the spoils with the rest of the team, no using it to improve the Zone; just himself.

Because that is the choice we are making here.

I'm for having Kaede stay, and for trying to make our parents lie so that they won't be made to suffer more, but I'm not going to lie to myself that this is somehow more noble, or the Right Thing To Do.
It's pure logic and cold reasoning, and accepting that our parents don't have much long left to live because of our actions.

The only real in character reason I can think of for Daisuke not to try is concern for her safety. Especially with her getting threatened at the start of that last debacle.

What's more important to Daisuke? Her happiness or her safety?

>>33485715
But if she stays, our family will be destroyed. And I don't think she's strong enough to deal with that.

>>33485661
That's more of a "a million is a statistic" coping mechanism. It is unlikely that he knew how many would kill themselves. I think he may regret them dieing, but not regret acting out justice.

>>33485715
>because he thinks it would make her happier is something Daisuke the character would do
Then understand that this means that Daisuke will hurt others for personal gain, that he will leave people behind if it's in his best interests.
This isn't about Justice, this is about personal gain, and that's how Daisuke already sees it (from Ghostmaster's posts), how Kaede would see it, and how everyone else would see it.

>>33485763
But she'll still be happy.

Just not AS happy.

Maybe. Could wind up a lot happier than she'd end up.

>>33485764
You don't think she is, but what does Daisuke think? Does he think she's strong enough to grasp her own future and find her own path, or does he think she needs to stay on the laid out road ahead of her?

We need to think about this from Daisuke's perspective.

>>33485776
I agree that it's not about justice. But I don't see how this means that Daisuke will purposefully hurt people for personal gain or leave people behind. I'm pretty sure if Daisuke was the kind of guy to leave people behind we'd be down a GhostBuster or two by this point.

>>33485793
I, as someone with a sibling, would much rather have a SAFE sibling than a deliriously happy one.

The time for Debate is now over.

Please vote now.

> "Goodbye sister."
> "Kaede...wait..."

>>33485796
If the only way she'll even try is for us to push her, then I'd say he knows damn well what the answer to that is.

If you recall, we suicidally charged a bunch of super-fast, slit-faced ghost things because we knew our sister could be talked or tricked into having her face mutilated by them.

Not everyone is a fighter.

>>33485763
>The only real in character reason I can think of for Daisuke not to try is concern for her safety
Uh, what?
Daisuke, in the story posts, specifically called out safety as being irrelevant because Oiwa would level the entire city, as well as the nation.

He gave an entire laundry list of, in-character, why this would be a bad idea.

The ONLY in-character reason to have her stay, besides a selfish desire to have her here because we're lonely, is that this is Kaede's chance to live her dream and be part of something fantastic.

>>33485821
>"Kaede...wait..."

>>33485821
>"Goodbye sister."

>>33485821
>"Goodbye sister"
"Don't worry about any scholarships you might get mysteriously, either."

>>33485821
> "Kaede...wait..."
Still am, and will, vote for this.

>>33485277
My vote was here.
>>33485821
http://youtu.be/KNfHU748SYQ

>>33485821
>"Goodbye sister."

>>33485811
>But I don't see how this means that Daisuke will purposefully hurt people for personal gain or leave people behind.
Because this is a choice about whether Kaede gets a CHANCE at great happiness at the expense of everyone in our family (immediate and extended), or if she accepts average happiness while also giving average happiness to everyone else in our family (immediate and extended).
Choosing the former means that we'll hurt others for a chance at great personal reward, rather than accept average happiness for everyone.

>>33485821
> "Kaede...wait..."

>>33485821
>"Kaede...wait..."
We have a plan, but there's no guarantee it'll work.

>>33485821
>"Goodbye sister."

>>33485821
>"Goodbye sister."
We don't have a plan.

>>33485793
She could just as easily end up miserable if she leaves.

By all accounts the Reject District isn't really a terrible place to live. Most of the people are really nice, I think Sachiko's the most disagreeable person we've met here and even she's not that bad.

The thing it's lacking is respect and consideration from the outside world.

>>33485821
We're Ghostbusters dammit, we live and work the impossible and we can do it here.

> "Kaede...wait..."

>>33485737
That is some weird overthinking going on there. Honestly, I think he would just want to keep his sister happy.

>>33485882
Actually, yes we do.
Brought up several times.
We get money from the rich youkai's contract, and tell our parents to lie that Kaede is off at a boarding school when she's really here in the Reject Zone finishing her degree.

>>33485821
Goodbye sister

>>33485821
>"Goodbye sister."
>>33485888
>The thing it's lacking is respect and consideration from the outside world.
And she still has those things. We shouldn't talk her into giving them up. They can only be taken away or boldly cast aside.

>>33485821

We will fight tooth and nail to make this work. For our sister and our family.

>"Kaede...wait..."

>>33485821
>> "Kaede...wait..."

>>33485821
> "Kaede...wait..."

>>33485821
> "Kaede...wait..."
Has been, and still will be this.

"Goodbye sister."

>>33485918
Mostly for our sister really.

>>33485821
>"Goodbye sister."
Don't be so selfish about this.

Let go.