I got a curious question for you guys. I read in one of the threads how some pantheons of Gods are actually pretty small-time compared to the levels of bullshit other pantheons are capable of executing.So here's something. Can we make a tier list of which Gods/pantheons are the weakest/least impressive, to Gods/pantheons whose levels of bullshit makes fictional beings like One-Above-All seem almost tame in comparison?
>>33271449>Can we make a tier list of which Gods/pantheons are the weakest/least impressive, to Gods/pantheons whose levels of bullshit makes fictional beings like One-Above-All seem almost tame in comparison?Naaaaah. It serves no universal purpose, since half of systems feature only specific pantheon/no gods at all.If you want to do it, do it for yourself.
Gods? Where were the gods when I was being fucked in the ass by a Dray because I didn't have enough ceramic coins to pay for a bowl of maggot soup?Fuck those guys.
>>33271788The divine gift of yiff is more than you deserve, heathen!
>>33271449But all of the Hindu gods are just aspects of Ishvara, who is the one true god...
>>33271858Yeah, and a megagod made out of nine gods has to be waaaay more powerful than one made out of three gods!
>>33271954Precisely, like how megazords made up of the main five+the sixth ranger's zord and any extras found throughout the season are far superior to the standard megazord.
>>33271449Kali is the only Hindu god who is omnipotent, excluding Brahman, which is the totality of everything.By One True God, do you mean the Demiurge? Or Pleroma? Cause Kali destroys the universe every time she's on her period, so she could probably kick the demiurge's shit in. Not so much Pleroma, though.
>>33271858>>33271954>>33272050Hindu gods sound like they're near the top of the list for biggest levels of bullshit powers. How do they fare against Christian/Jewish/Catholic God, or Allah?
>>33272105The various Hindu gods that are in mythical tales like the Ramayana are more like demi-gods or angels in relation to the One god (Brahma/Ishvara), so Allah/YHWH being the One god, are still above them, seeing as they're the same 'being'/'entity' as Ishvara and Brahma.
>>33271449Considering God (the one in the Bible) got beat up in a wrestling match with a human and every time he did anything big he got satan or one of his other servants to help he is not that OP.
>>33271954Yeah but those Gods aren't even individual gods.They're like, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva.And then they split into female versions of themselves, which are their wives.And then Ganesha is like the offspring off Shiva and Girl Shiva, and is also Shiva in a sense, because they're all just incarnations of Brahman.So it's really just like three gods. >>33272105Oh fuck, they're ridiculous. Hindu Gods look at Thor and go "You have a hammer made by dwarves? Cute. Indras bow shoots arrows that can destroy continents, and he shoots a million at once every time he draws." And that's not even his main weapon. His main weapon is the Vajra, which is described as "irresistable force and indestructable defense". It's stats are literally just "yes"I swear sometimes when I read Hindu mythology I just imagine a bunch of upper caste members getting stoned and going "ok, so how do we make them stronger than last week?"
The Jude-Christian God should probably exist on several tiers. The modern conception of God isn't remotely similar to the Yahweh of the Old Testament. The only thing that elevates Yahweh above Odin or the like is a considerable amount of reinterpretation and apologism.
>>33272201>got beat up in a wrestling match with a humanThat was an angle, and the guy who won hit below the belt to do so.
>>33272201Have you actually read the bible?
Using Yahweh at all is cheating, and Hindu's are just one step below him. >One of my god shoots thunder bolts out his dick!>Oh yeah? Well one of MY gods has a bigass hammer that he throws around, which is what lightning REALLY is!>Fuck you guys, one of MY gods has a bow that shoots SUNS>oy vey, MY god is the ONLY god and can destroy the entire universe and start over from scratch if he likes!
Gnostic here.YHWH is a poser and a charlatan.
>>33272215Actually, according to the original translation, that was totally God. In fact the actual language used hasn't changed much - the text, read in Hebrew, pretty clearly states that Yahweh got cheap-shot-wrecked at wrestling - just the interpretation.
>>33272232>oy vey, MY god is the ONLY god and can destroy the entire universe and start over from scratch if he likes!Kali can do that, she just gets talked out of it by Shiva every time she wants too.Remember in Hinduism, everything is cyclical, including the universe. There's been countless Universes before ours, and eventually ours will end and start again too, according to Hinduism.
>>33271449>>33271449Fun fact about the Abrahamic religion God.YHWH/Jehovah/Yohwah is, in Hebrew, an amalgamation of the words "Was" "Is" and "Will Be". It's part of the reason that God, a lot of the time, will use the present tense to describe things that happened in th epast or will happen in the future.The name literally means that he's outside of time in a conventional sense, which is something that I don't think can really be beaten.
>>33272215Actually depends on the translation and interpretation.
>>33272268Cthulhu isn't even a God. He's a high priest.
for top tier, I nominate the neoplatonic god. >The primeval Source of Being is the One and the Infinite, as opposed to the many and the finite. It is the source of all life, and is therefore an absolute causality and the only real existence. However, the important feature of it is that it is beyond all Being, although the source of it. Therefore, it cannot be known through reasoning or understanding, since only what is part of Being can be thus known according to Plato. Being beyond existence, it is the most real reality, the source of less real things. It is, moreover, the Good, insofar as all finite things have their purpose in it and ought to flow back to it. But one cannot attach moral attributes to the original Source of Being itself, because these would imply limitation. It has no attributes of any kind; it is being without magnitude; in strict propriety, indeed, we ought not to speak of it as existing; it is "above existence", "above goodness". It is also active without a substratum; as active force the primeval Source of Being is perpetually producing something else, without alteration, or motion, or diminution of itself. This production is not a physical process, but an emission of force; and, since the product has real existence only in virtue of the original existence working in it, Neoplatonism may be described as a species of dynamic panentheism.at the lowest tiers, probably some kind of local animist gods that represent a particular house or tree.
>>33272278Actually, the most commonly accepted translation for Yahweh is "he who creates the host", referring to the heavenly armies. Recall that before he was hoisted up as the sole deity of Israel & Judah, and subsequently given El's portfolio, he was just their war god.
>>33272327How was he elevated from being the war god to their sole one? What happened to the rest of the pantheon?
>>33272278Existing outside of time and space is pretty standard for gods, Yahweh really isn't anything special
>>33272347His cult, being, y'know, dedicated to a war god, was strong enough to beat up and enslave all of the other cults and make them say their gods didn't exist.
>>33272243Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Genesis 32:25 at start, in Hebrew. וַיִּוָּתֵר יַעֲקֹב, לְבַדּוֹ; וַיֵּאָבֵק אִישׁ עִמּוֹ, עַד עֲלוֹת הַשָּׁחַרAnd Jacob was left alone, and he struggled with a man there, until the breaking of day.וַיַּרְא, כִּי לֹא יָכֹל לוֹ, וַיִּגַּע, בְּכַף-יְרֵכוֹ; וַתֵּקַע כַּף-יֶרֶךְ יַעֲקֹב, בְּהֵאָבְקוֹ עִמּוֹAnd when he (the man) saw that he could not prevail, he touched the hollow of his thigh, and Jacob's thigh was strained as he struggled.God isn't even mentioned except insofar as the blessing the guy gives Jacob afterwards.
>>33272224Yes, I went to Sunday school where I was made to read it.
>>33272327You're thinking of "El Shaddai". It has nothing to do with YHWH.>>33272355Really? Which other gods are stated to exist in all times simultaneously?
I don't get the Catholic dogma of Mary being the literal mother of God.Does that mean God was born human, ascended, and only then began to fill all time and space, so that the universe is one big stable time loop?
>>33272347Evidence suggests that the monarchy of Israel was Yahwist, and eventually, with inevitable war against Babylon looming, decided to forge the texts we would later come to know as Deuteronomy, 'proving' that Yahweh is the big man. Other deities were stilled believed in and worshiped by the Israelites way way up close to the closing of the BCE years, but after the Babylonian Exile, after Yahweh was retconned into the god of everywhere rather than just of Israel and Judah (it was common belief that you had to be on your god's land for your worship to be valid), they slowly fell out of favour.
>>33272410No, god only sent a part of himself (in semen form) down to impregnate Mary. Then Jesus was born either human, part human-part divine, or divine, depending on whom you ask.
>>33272410Yahweh can do whatever he wants. His son is himself. Ergo, given that his son was born through some chick, said chick is "his" mother. Although she did not give birth to Yahweh, she did give birth to his exact duplicate (in human form). It arose out of the question "Is Jesus divine?" Well, obviously, Yahweh can be the only god, so Jesus can't be a god. Unless of course, he IS Yahweh, in which case, he can in fact, be a divine being.
>>33272410God is samefag of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.Mary got impregnated by Father with the Son.Holy Spirit was probably getting off to it.
>>33272408Yeah, no. It's commonly accepted that Yahweh was hypostatized with El. Almost all evidence found points towards El being the original head of the Canaanite pantheons, and the first god of Israwl.
>>33271521>talking shit about Sun CultNigger I will beat your ass.
>>33272366that's not really how it happened (or at least, not how scholars think it happened).yahweh wasn't so much a "war god" as national god of the israelites (in which capacity he covered their martial endeavors). as the israelites were threatened in various ways (the babylonian captivity, ect) they affirmed their national identity by rallying around their god, who became increasingly important in their belief system as a result, to the point of eclipsing and eventually surplanting all the other gods.
>>33271449Adonalsium > Harmony > Cultivation = Endowment = Devotion = Dominion = Honor = Odium
>>33272410Yes, the whole point was the Jesus was God in Human form who Ascended after his resurrection into heaven. Those words exactly. The four Gospels place emphasis on different parts of that. John's gospel, for example, places a huge emphasis on the fact that he is literally God. Mary was "Assumed" into heaven by angels. You're looking at this from a postmodern "I've played too many RPGs and watched too much Doctor Who" angle. There is no "stable time loop" in Christianity. God is God, and Jesus is God. And the Holy Spirit is God. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.That's why Mary is worshiped - aside from the whole thing about her being the only pure woman because she never had sex angle. In order for God to be fully human, he had to be born into this world. The Apostle's Creed in other languages actually puts an emphasis on that by saying "who was born, and NOT created".
>>33272388Not the guy you are replying to but as it never states if the man is God or an angel it is just down to your own interpretation to say who he was . If you were just correcting the guy about the original text then fair enough.
>>33272294And he's still powerful enough to end the rule of our petty mortal deities. Not pictured: All the stuff above Cthulhu.
>>33272204>His main weapon is the Vajra, which is described as "irresistable force and indestructable defense". It's stats are literally just "yes"This made me spit my drink.>>33272450>God is samefag of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.God samefagging. Now I can't unsee it.
>>33272507>Implying Sazed could take on OdiumI like your style though.
>>33272566Whatever, go put up some more Cthulhu For President stickers and whatever other pop culture bullshit you lovecraftfags are into now. The big boys are talking here.
>>33272410>the Catholic dogma of MaryThat's one of the major points of contention between the Catholic and Orthodox churches. The Catholics worship Mary, whereas the Orthodox only ("only") venerate her in a first-of-all-the-saints way.
>>33272213Well the Old Testament Yahweh couldn't beat dudes with Iron Chariots, so I'd rank him even below Odin.
>>33272590>God samefagging. Now I can't unsee it.YHVH: I am the only god, and the best god. All other gods a shit.Holy Ghost: He's right, you know!Jesus: Yeah, much respect to YHVH, he's so awesome.YHVH: Oh, you guys. Thanks, though.Satan: Samefag!
>>33272611Last time I checked, it was veneration for the Catholics too.
According to Islamic Metaphysics Allah is the very essence of being (able to change it in a whim) not to mention the necessary being that keeps all existence going, I'd say he wins
>>33272633But Satan is a servant of god.Or am I merging it with Judaism again?
>>3327240In ancient Egypt alone, Nu, the god of the infinite and eternal ocean, and then two gods from competing cults, Atum who had to power to create himself and was the god of everything that existed or will exist, and Ptah who transcended reality and is very much like your description of Yahweh but with less brimstone and more brofists with artists and craftsmen. Seriously, in the beginning was the word yadda yadda, pretty much the same thing as in Genesis.The reason a single religion had so many of them was because two sets of priests had a bit of a dick-waving contest between their regional creator gods.
>>33272654Whelp, I borked the quote, >>33272408
>>33272607>The big boys are talking here.>[tips fedora]
>>33272634Catholics worship of Mary is similar in ways to veneration of Saints.When they pray to Mary, they're not praying to Mary for her to do things, they're praying to Mary to ask her to smack Jesus upside the head and get him to help out like a good jewish boy should. When Catholics pray to a Saint, they're essentially asking the Saint to go and convey the message to God on their behalf. Mary, being the closest to God, moreso than all the other saints, is essentially above all of them.
>>33272681Are you implying that cthulhufags aren't the biggest fedoratippers this side of pastafarians?
>>33272204>I swear sometimes when I read Hindu mythology I just imagine a bunch of upper caste members getting stoned and going "ok, so how do we make them stronger than last week?"They probably did.Read up Soma.
>>33272692Exactly. Intercessory prayer to saints / Mary is going, "Hey Venerated Figure, you're in tight with J to tha C, right? Would you mind asking him X on my behalf? I'd appreciate it. Tha~anks!" The rationale being that if a lowly sinner asks something directly of the YHWH god, he's likely to get a divine boot and a GTFO, whereas someone already imbued with His holiness is more likely to get a positive answer.It's Catholocism's version of ancestor worship and microdivinity polytheism.
>>33272732>Indra and Agni are portrayed as consuming Soma in copious quantities.>Soma is associated with the warrior-god Indra, and has been drunk by him before his battle with VṛtraI can just imagine the Gods getting ultra stoned before a fight>gets off couch>alright. alright ok. >exhales>don't eat those cheetoes man i just gotta go take care of something
>>33272777>It's Catholocism's version of ancestor worship and microdivinity polytheism.During the Christianization of pagan cultures, priests often attempted to gradually replace pagan gods with Saints.In slavic cultures, for example, Christianity was seen as a religion for the gentry, and while many of the peasants were quick to accept Jesus' offer for everlasting paradise in the afterlife, their lives were still shit, and they figured they'd have to worship their old gods alongside this new one in order to survive in the material world.Priests eventually pushed to replace, say, Perun, the god of thunder with St Elijah the Thunderer.
>implying Catholics arent heretics.
>>33272204Sounds like something from an internet free form role playing forumAnd yet they;re still no match for The Stig.
>>33271521> atheism, apatheism> heresyFuck you!> no OmnissiahFuck you!!!
>>33272528>That's why Mary is worshiped - aside from the whole thing about her being the only pure woman because she never had sex angle.But didn't she have more children with Joseph, after Jesus? I could have sworn she did. I can't imagine Joseph decided didn't want to have sex with his wife after God took a dip.
>>33272977I can think of worse people to be weiner cousins with than The Almighty.
>>33272977Yes, she did. St. James was one of them, if I recall correctly. They tried to lock him up for a lunatic. I think their intentions were pure-they just wanted to take care of their brother.
>>33272977The Catholic church interprets the brothers like James to be either cousins or followers of Jesus, as the same word is used to describe people like Jesus. They also hold that Mary was a permavirgin. Other denominations see him as a literal brother to Jesus, and hold that Mary and Joseph got down for the first time after Jesus was born, according to the Gospel of Matthew.Her cousin Elizabeth, actually, was John the Baptist's mom. You know John, the guy whose head was presented on a silver platter? Well, the story goes that Elizabeth was barren, and shortly after Jesus was announced by an archangel to Mary, another Archangel came to Elizabeth and told her that she was also going to have a son, who was going to be named John.
>>33272105Shiva has a few wives, some of which are himself (don't ask, FAR TOO LONG a story), but one of them is Kali.When the brahman deities were all getting their shit slowly but surely pushed in by a literally endless army of ashuras (EVIL DEMONS) the other gods were all like, "welp, we're fucked, SHIVA GET KALI, WE NEED HER!" and Shiva was like "whaaa... no, no, fuck that, too dangerous."but eventually after begging and pleading Kali gets brought into the fight.A brief note about Kali: She has 6 arms, and in each of those 6 hands there is a weapon.One hand has a bow, none of the other hands have arrows. So it's canon in the brahmic faiths that kali can one hand a bow and arrow with deadly effect.Another of her hands has a lotus, legend does not mention how she uses that in battle.The only other weapon of note is fire. Which she also weilds one handed.Anyway, she comes onto the battle field, and you might wonder, of her 6 weapons, which does she choose to begin with?She uses her feet, stomping the front lines of the ashuran armies into mush.Then she starts tearing things apart with her teeth, drinking the river of demon blood she's producing out of the ashurans' armies.After a day of basically utterly demolishing the army that was slowly defeating the entire rest of the pantheon, the endless army of demons fucking runs like bitches.Then the problem happens: Kali is now high as fuck on all the demon blood she drank, and proceeding to dance with such epic funk that the universe and all of creation begins to break. Meanwhile the rest of the hindu pantheon is somewhat indisposed as they are each buried under one of the many mountains of demon corpses kali's sword and axe and garott and fireballs and lotus and arrows and feet and teeth produced. And every time Kali puts one of her feet down in her dance, she smushes a mountain.Thankfully, shiva manages to claw out of a pile and shout loud enough to snap Kali out of her battle-funk-trance.
>>33272652Everyone it's a servant of god. Since everyone it's inside "God's Plan", you don't have true free will, so whatever you do it's part of "God's Plan". Even if you thing you're fighting him, you're just helping him.
>>33273360It's the Norns all over again
>>33273370>NornsDamn, I liked them in Sandman Sadly they killed many characters, even the MC.
>>33273329From what I read, the Asuran armies were literally just one demon who could make a clone of himself every time somebody spilled a drop of his blood. The Gods kept trying to use various weapons against him, but none of them were effective because they just kept making more clones, and by the time they realized they can't kill him there was basically a massive army.After Kali comes out, like you say, in a fit of pure savage brutalization begins to drink the blood she's spilling, effectively killing the demon in the process.
>>33272213>>33272410Catholic doctrine is heresy, yo.>>33273360>you don't have true free willLook up molinism.
>>33272204My favorite bits of the rig veda are the quasi-historical bits, like how in the bible there's the "and this tribe did this fucked up thing because fuck them" bits, well they're there in the rig veda.Except where the bible is all about incest and isrealites getting bullied by everyone else and then feeling sorry for themselves, the Rig Veda often records some of the most elaborate assassination methods I've ever heard of.So in one case, there's this noble couple who are really far down the line of ascention to the throne, so far that to become king they'd have to kill somewhere in the region of 30 people.So they come up with this plan: Build a really flammable palace, and then get everyone ahead of them to come sleep over in it, and then burn it down while everyone sleeps.Bear in mind that this is their A plan; and because they won't be able to get the family to stay in the palace unless it's also a really nice palace, they make it REALLY NICE and expensive and just stuff lots of oily rags and kindling, to an extent that it can't have been cheaper than just having them assassinated by more conventional means.>>33273485yeah, a lot of the hindu pantheon's stories often revolve around almost JoJo-esque "here's this scary ass demon with this fucking broken as fuck power, and here's how a hindu god twisted its power back around on itself to defeat tehm", like there's that other story about that time Vishnu was incarnated as a girl and defeated a demon who could turn anyone he touched on the top of the head with his hand to ash.So she got him playing a dancing game when he asked for a quick fuck from her, and had him copying her moves, and as he starts to get really into the dancing and mimicry, she touches her hand to the top of her head and he thoughtlessly follows suit, turning himself into ash.
>>33273665What is it with Hindu gods and dancing games?I read a story where Shiva tricks Kali into chilling the fuck out by challenging her to a dancing game where she has to copy his moves.At some point, he lifts his legs straight vertically upward, to which Kali stops and goes "excuse me? how about no.", because that would involve showing her lady parts to everybody, and Shiva wins the game.
>>33273665>isrealites getting bullied by everyone else and then feeling sorry for themselvesYou mean Israelites going around proclaiming that they're "The Chosen People of the One True God!" and wondering why nobody likes them being around, right
>>33271449Do the hindu gods have access to iron chariots?
>>33271521I don't see no zoroastrian here. try again.
>>33273713well you have to remember that these epic stories are incorporated into various public festivals, so the dance off would be happening in a sort of panto setting, with two of the leading dancers of a bard troupe would be performing as shiva and kali, so that would be a little filthy joke to get a laugh out of the audience.there's probably a really interesting comparative theology paper out there somewhere about how bardic traditions of various cultures have shaped religions over the millenia - compare the inclusions of elaborate dance and musical numbers as a result of travelling theatre or seasonal festival plays being a heavy part of southern and eastern asia to the wandering bards of european and central asian cultures where you get tings like the odyssey and beowulf - epic poems designed to be told over a series of evenings as a way for a bard to earn rent and board, to the more pulpit based "a guy speaking to a congregation of his neighbours once a week and having something he can spend an hour or 2 spinning ideas and advice out of" for the abrahamic faiths.of course that line of thought leads to CLERICS = BARDS, which is heresy...
>>33273458I liked them in Oh! My Goddess too even though the ending looks to be very meh
>>33271858>>33272050>>33272105>>33272204The hindu mythology is one of the most over-the-top thing I ever saw.>>33272388Doesn't "Israel", that become Jacob's new name, literaly translate to "to wrestle with God">>33272927Dude, at some point the author of their big national epic has to fuck princessses because otherwise the story couldn't continue
>>33274655>Doesn't "Israel", that become Jacob's new name, literaly translate to "to wrestle with God"It does, and Jacob himself certainly thought he wasn't wrestling with a mere angel>So Jacob named the place Peniel, for he said, "I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been preserved."
>>33272105 Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, the Hindu Trimutri (their version of the "one god in three aspect") routinely create, maintain and destroy universes. They are in absolute accord with the Dahrma (that could be resume as the cosmic order), meaning they can do no wrong and that they succeed in everything.They're mostly on the same level than the Christian trinity, but instead of a single eternity with an afterlife, they have an eternal cycle.
>>33274536No one cares about that dying religion anymore. There are more selfconfessed Jedis in the world than there are remaining Zoroastrians.
>>33272347Persian Zoroastrianism happened
>>33272105>How do they fare against Christian/Jewish/Catholic God, or Allah?The Judeochristian/Moslem God is omnipotent, so he wins. If he didn't, he wouldn't be omnipotent.
>>33274841If God is omnipotent, can he create a stone so heavy that he could not lift it?I'm joking. The Hindu Trimutri is omnipotent too, though. So anytfight between the two would be a variation of the Omnipotence Paradox
>>33274547That's really fucking interesting, and I actually never thought of that. I'm obviously not an expert on the subject, I just went to a catholic school that was pretty real about this kind of stuff as well as other religions instead of pretending it didn't exist. There was a mandatory world religions class, but I did a lot of reading up on my own because I was pretty interested in it.
>>33274536no bahai either. they have the best temples, especially for such a tiny religion.
>>33274929No. because that's a logically impossible thing. God can't make square circles either, because those are also logically impossible.
>>33275060So God is limited by logic?Doesn't seem so omnipotent to me
>>33272204>ok, so how do we make them stronger than last weekSelf-aware comedy serial where Hindu priests, who write ever-more elaborate myths about ultrapowerful beings, are reimagined as the writers to a saturday morning cartoon series; when? Of course the myths themselves must be animated and part of the show.
>>33275139No, God can create a universe where he can make square circles, etc. He just can't do it here, unless he were to radically change the laws of physics here.
>>33272050>Kali is the only Hindu god who is omnipotent, excluding Brahman, which is the totality of everything.That's actually untrue, depending on sect it can be also either Shiva or Vishnu.
>>33275139>I don't understand what logic is, or how definitions work.Educate yourself.
>>33274929Yes.But then he'd lift it anyway.
>>33275139>>33275163I wonder if the right question isn't "should he," but rather, "would he?"Of course, that leads to the question of why something that is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient would even bother creating a universe at all, but someone might have an answer for that, I dunno.
>>33275203*"could he"And this is why I shouldn't try to type while eating.
>>33274929If they're both omnipotent, they're the same God. So hindus are heretics and they must accept the Pope or die
>>33272408The Old, Elder and Outer.
>>33275279> If they're both omnipotent, they're the same God.Guess what?Brahmin priests argued about who is whos part in the first place for centuries.
>>33271449nodens is best lovecraftian god
>>33275333Doesn't Jesus have aplace in hindu Religion?
>>33275371Technically anyone has.
>>33275371Some people consider him an incarnation of Vishnu.But many Hindus believe that all gods are incarnations of the supreme being.
>>33275279If they're both omnipotent, they're the same God. So Catohlics are heretics and they must accept Joseph Smith or die
>>33274929>>33275060>>33275181>>33275203>>33275191It's a paradox, folks. The Omnipotence Paradox, to be precise. I just pointed it out as a joke.The paradox come from the fact that it is impossible to answer the question "Can a being able to do everything do something that make them unable to do everything?" without contradicting the premise.
>>33275420That paradox only comes about if people have the wrong idea of what omnipotence entails.Omnipotence entails every possible thing. A square circle is not possible.
>>33275431So God can't do impossible things, only improbable ones?
>>33275420You are not as clever as you think you are.
>>33275060You know, "logic" is a human method of reasoning. At its heart is the idea that you can link things via the implies relation. Meaning, if1. A implies Band2. A is truethen3. B is truebut of course you can't prove that such a relation can exist in the first place. That is an axiom. We take it for granted that you can say "A implies B". God however doesn't need to follow our made-up axioms. He CAN make a boulder that's too heavy for him to lift. In fact he can declare even a tiny grain of sand as too heavy for him to lift. He can also after that proceed to lift that grain while simultaneously not lifting it.Everything is possible when you're God.
>>33275491Possibilists please go.
>>33275506>implying you can prove I'm here
>>33275481http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradoxI admit I am not as clever as I think I am, true.
All statements except this one are true.
>>33274929Easy. Make a stone with mass slightly greater than that of the rest of the universe. Since "lifting" is an action affecting a mass relative to a greater gravity well, one cannot "lift" the largest object around; they would instead be lifting everything else in relation to IT.God would still be free to sling that mass around any way he likes, of course, it would just require a different term to describe.
>>33275491Oh, postmodernists please go too.
>>33275472Of course. I mean, the universe exists, and in its current state it's incredibly improbable. Extremely so.
>>33275735Omnipotence trumping logic is anything but postmodern
>>33275735You sound like someone who has never had postmodernist sex.
>>33275520I am aware of that, maybe if you kept reading you would see why you're not clever.
>>33275777I can't tell which of them is supposed to be which poster.
>>33275757Of course not. Omnipotence still doesn't, but his whole "Logic is a human thing" can be a valid stance valid for an atheist to hold, as they have no basis for believing that it has any relevance to reality, and thus no relevance to truthHowever, for a theist, since there is a divine, logical mind behind the universe, logic IS able get at truth.I brought up postmodernism because that poster started on the whole "Logic is a human method of reasoning" thing.
>>33275777Which one is supposed to be right?
>>33275825>However, for a theist, since there is a divine, logical mind behind the universe, logic IS able get at truth.While that is certainly one stance a theist may have, an agnostic theist may well deny the ability to attain meaningful knowledge of the world, as true knowledge is reserved for the divine
>>33275897You are partially correct.An agnostic theist will deny the possibility of attaining exhaustive truth and knowledge, as that truly is reserved for the divine. But men can still attain truth, even though it is not exhaustive truth.
>>33275868The joke is that if you don't get the joke you're the guy on the right. And if you DO get the joke, you're the guy on the left, and arguably worse than the people who don't get it.It's postmodernists making fun of themselves. It's hard to explain.
>>33275929>But men can still attain truth, even though it is not exhaustive truth.the problem with your post here is that you >imply that there is any truthThere is no truth.
>>33276014God fucking dammit that >imply was supposed to be green.God is dead.
Omnipotence is a nonsense concept anyway, even without going into paradoxes. How could you ever be sure of that? You can be top dog of the observable universe for eons and still be blindsided by something from beyond.
>>33276081>How could you ever be sure of that?by being omniscient
>>33276014>There is no truthOH BOY.But anon, is THAT statement true? You're walking off a metaphorical cliff here anon.Anyway, if God exists, truth is knowable and attainable.If there isn't, then truth might be, but probably not.>>33276081It's not. It has a perfectly logical definition.
>>33271521>Secular humanism>Listed as Heresy>MFW Secular humanism was exactly what the Emprah wanted
>>33274804Saying shit about the religion of Freddy Mercury?
>>33271788>Where were the gods when I was being fucked in the ass by a Dray because I didn't have enough ceramic coins to pay for a bowl of maggot soup?They were watching, and laughing
>>33271449To hell with the Gods
>>33276101>by being omniscientOkay, what proof does a deity have of its own omniscience, besides its own omniscience? That's one hell of a confirmation bias.>>33276114>It's not. It has a perfectly logical definition.Yes, but it would take infinite time to distinguish it from an extreme number of individual powers. And then you discover your powers don't work in one of the situations you didn't think to test.
>>33271449All other Gods are demons
>>33276165>impliying that the emperor is not the greatest heretic
>>33276045Let me >try
>>33271449There is only one god
>>33276215Wasn't he grudgingly respectful of Crom though? If only because Crom literally didn't do a fucking thing for anyone.
>>33271449We are but dreams of the elder Gods, they existed before man dreamt of gods. And will be here long after we fade to nothing.
>>33276539He was respectful of Crom for that yes, also because Crom was the god of warriors and poured the fire of battle into the hearts of humans when they were born.Crom was respectful of Conan because he was a balls out warrior who had just enough disdain and respect for him to be considered likable. Conan detests all who grovel, one way or another, and most gods demand groveling.
>>33272422My brother in law is a Lutheran pastor. He describes Jesus as both completely divine God and God completely human. If you have Canadian and American citizenship, you are 100% Canadian and 100% American - not part-one and part-other.
>>33271449It seems the only real aspect of how gods work common in all cultures everywhere is that nobody can ACTUALLY agree how they work.
>>33272450Actually, the father sent the holy spirit to descend upon (and impart into) Mary, to manifest the un-begotten, uncreated son within her as a fetus.
>>33276604That's now how it's actually described.You DON'T pray to Crom; when you were born with muscles and a mind Crom gave you all he will EVER give you, and the Grim Grey God only turns his eyes upon the doomed.That's why Conan doesn't PRAY to Crom per say, he just says his name like we say "Jesus!" in surprise or fear; he's warding off Crom's baleful eye, which is as cruel an unforgiving as the world he lives in.
>>33277017Man, Protestant churches are so fucking weird sometimes.They can get away with just flat-out contradicting the Bible so often because they can rest assured very few of their congregation have read much of it or remember any of it when they leave.I'm not especially religious and I remember more of the goddamn Bible then most Protestant denomination faithful I've met, it weirds me out.
>>33277017Yes, that's one way to describe him, but there's a whole subset of Christian theology called Christology (fittingly enough) about who, what, how, when and where Jesus was.
>>33272528>Mary is worshipedMary is venerated, NOT worshiped, much like (but more-so than) the rest of the saints in Catholicism. It's the difference between following one's example / respecting them (venerated), and glorifying / praising them. However, some Catholics do wrongfully worship Mary, in the same way the biblical shepherds in the Nativity story began worshiping the angel that came with the Good News, and were told off for doing so.
>>33272701They are nowhere near the level of fedorable as unironic christians.
>>33277218>Yes, that's one way to describe him, but there's a whole subset of Christian theology called Christology (fittingly enough) about who, what, how, when and where Jesus was.That's the one where lots and lots and lots of people were kills over meaningless hair-splitting -- often the theologians involved hardly understood what they were arguing over at all beyond the vital importance of slaughtering the other party.An awful lot of Abrahamic religion boils down to BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
>>33277182The thing I've noticed in my country at least is that protestants are effectively atheists by a different name, they do not give a shit about Church, the bible or anything religious and they act like the whole thing is some big in-joke, it's weird really.
>>33272528>never had sexIn non-exclusively-Catholic sources (read: the vast majority of biblical source material), Jesus has younger brothers. Mary may have been a virgin when she had Jesus, but the whole "eternal virginity" thing is bunk.
>>33272629>couldn't>Didn't>not the same
>>33277304>In non-exclusively-Catholic sources (read: the vast majority of biblical source material), Jesus has younger brothers. Mary may have been a virgin when she had Jesus, but the whole "eternal virginity" thing is bunk.It's bunk in the sense that the Marvel Comics Thor is bunk: one group's made up story doesn't match all that well with the earlier made up stories it was based on.
>>33274547>of course that line of thought leads to CLERICS = BARDS, which is heresy...It's not heresy. The word bard is derived from one of the words from the Celtic priesthood.
>>33277279>The thing I've noticed in my country at least is that protestants are effectively atheists by a different name, they do not give a shit about Church, the bible or anything religious and they act like the whole thing is some big in-joke, it's weird really.That means you come from one of the better countries. There are places where evangelical Protestantism is a lot crazier and fire-breathier than their Catholic neughbours.
>>33275935Is the implication that the continental philosopher is presenting good arguments in bad faith, then? Or that he is base for engaging the analytic philosopher on grounds where he cannot possibly be expected to compete?
>>33277347>couldn't>Didn't>not the sameRight right right, and the Asuran armies CHOSE for Kali to drink their blood.
>>33277279Better that than they all believe it HARDCORE and believe that the bible is the perfect source of morality
>>33277263>An awful lot of Abrahamic religion boils down to BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!Yaweh got tired of goat and lamb blood from the sacrifices, so he had a fork of himself sacrificed for the rush.
>>33277458>so he had a fork of himself sacrificed for the rush.>a fork>in pre modern timesButthurt metallurgists incoming in 3...2...1...
>>33277493How else would people pitch hay?
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how a supposedly omnipotent/scient deity can be certain of that without circular reasoning, let alone demonstrate it to mortals.
>>33277512Wooden pitchforks were a thing you know
>>33277531>can be certain of thatCertain of what?>>33277577Yes, so forks existed back then, which means >>33277458 is not anachronistic.
>>33277512You... don't think there was a question of scale in there? Forks (as in, dinner forks) weren't a thing till the renaissance (more accurately, modern period). Guess why?
>>33277458Yesua (Jesus) was different from Yaweh (God) Yesua believed in forgiveness and acceptance of all peoples of all walks of life. Yaweh demanded that men cut a part of their dicks off as a blood price for help in slaughtering their enemies (Canaanites)
Anyone think that some of the deities of Shintoism are kinda strange? Like Uke Mochi created food from her nether reigons and stuff.
>>33272201dose not know shit
>>33277653Remember that there is no real difference between spirit/demon/god there, only regarding power and intention.Hell, you can have things that are all three things at the same time.You can't understand those fuckers.
>>33277279In the US it depends on where you are; some are much more devoutly religious, but rather frequently spend lots of time doing all the things the Bible tells them NOT to actually do because it's easier that way. I think that's what the stereotypical "Catholic guilt" thing comes from, the fact that tons of them are terrible at practicing the tenants of their religion,In other places they go to church but kinda stop paying much attention to anything about it once they leave. Most politicians fall under this one; they're religious because it helps them get elected.Most of their time and thought process is devoted to their political ambitions and jobs, not wondering if God approves of the decision. Doesn't mean they don't BELIEVE, just that believing takes up a very small percentage of their time.
>>33277395I think that's because a lot of Protestant groups are rather Fundamentalist, whereas the Catholic Church has things like a central authority that can say things like "Evolution is part of God's plan" (like they have recently) and it's supposed to apply to EVERYONE.Frankly that's not such a surprising change given that most major early scientist were both religiously educated AND religiously funded.
>>33277592Are you dense?A god comes up to you and says "I can do all things." You ask it "Have you actually done them? Come back when you have."A god comes up to you and says "I know all things." You ask it "How can you trust that knowledge to describe itself? That's circular reasoning."It is impossible to distinguish a perfect god from an imperfect one whose limits you haven't discovered yet.
>>33277653Yeah, but there's lots of religions like that. Shinto is slightly-more complex and organized animist shamanistic beliefs really.
>>33277426The joke is that the continental philosopher is saying he creates arguments based on fact and science and is open to other viewpoints where as the other philosopher is basically a manchild. The punchline is that it's implied a continental philosopher made the comic and also that it contains no fact or science but only opinion which is a trait which is claimed to be common of analytic philosophy.I think.
>>33277931>A god comes up to you and says "I can do all things." You ask it "Have you actually done them?"what if it says "yes"?
>>33278128Ask it why it is not currently on fire.
>>33278128Then I stop asking questions and get on with my life. I have my reasons to refuse to worship. Do not turn this into yet another "atheist in fantasy wat do" thread.My point is, no matter how great the god, it can always be wrong about being the greatest. Maybe it isn't, but an even greater god would by definition be undetectable if it wished to be.
>>33278149Been there, done that.http://youtu.be/c80dWbiONqM
>>33272204>And then they split into female versions of themselves, which are their wives.Wait. What? So it is just self cest?
>>33277931If it can't be distinguished, what is the functional difference?
>>33278743Pretty much. Hindu gods/goddess can pretty much be described as samefagging.
>>33271521I have been pretty interested in Buddhism lately.Can it really be considered a religion? In many ways yes, it has acquired some stupid stuff along the way, but all the main concepts of the prince there seem like pratical ontology, some concepts really make me think and seem really modern, like impermanence.Its funny when Buddha was asked about other Gods or the existence of God, and he simply said, "I have no idea but if they exist they are slaves to this universe as we are".Made me realize we know jack shit about the thing religion should really try to answer, the self.Anyway I just made this post because its concepts have been leaking on to my characters. And makes them peculiar, like godless paladin hermits.
>>33272327The only evidence we have is a Mesopotamian stone tablet, which can easily be interpreted as other people looking in from the outside thinking YHWH is like their god El.
>>33277254Are you saying Christians should have fedoras tipped at them or that they are the ones with fedoras?
Any of us knowing the existance of a greater being outside of the clear presence of the universe is akin to a blood cell attempting to comprehend the ecosystem it operates within. There might be a god. But I can't know and it doesn't matter if I do.Just my shitty opinion.
>>33272951but the omnissiah is at the top
>>33277931He's a god, he ain't gotta prove shit to mortals.
>>33272654Or just branching off from one religion back in Mesopotamia?
>>33272566Actually no he wouldn't, Cthulhu is pretty smalltime for his mythos. Christian God would have no problem shutting him down.
>>33274800Also unlike YHWH, Ishvara is existence, it always existed and always will, everything that ever exists is IshvaraSo Hindu sort of has the Demonbane of Mythologies
>>33278846>>33277254>>33272701>>33272681do people really just throw this meme at whoever they disagree with?
>>33278781>>33278743When it's all one omni-god who is existance itself, technically we're all samefagging right now.
>>33279279>>33278781That is... an interesting thought.
>>33279279But if I'M samefaggingAnd YOU'RE samefaggingThen who's flying the plane!?
>>33279382Some sects that melded into Early Islam actually worshipped no "God" merely existence.Hinduism and it's past is spooky, it can get very scientific.
>>33279268Yeah, it's like edgy and autistic. Though, to be fair, it originally started with mocking atheists which is almost on topic.
>>33279268That's how baseless insults work, faggot.
>>33279506What? That's a legitimate conversation, and they didn't even get rude about it.
>>33275058That Bahai temple is pretty, but it's empty most of the time. I've been to several services there.Every time it's just been me.
>>33279590Trolling is a buzzword these days. Because of cunts like him.
>>33279619Sometimes I feel like the age where kids start going on 4chan is down to like, 13.
>>33279590that's kind of my point herekind of rare to have genuine conversations on 4chan that dont turn into complete clusterfucks or image dumps
>>33279440Tell us more anon.
>>33279733>I don't know who's trolling who anymore>Those guys weren't trolling...>lol that was my pointYou're going to have to spell it out slowly anon, I'm not that smart.
>>33279619I'm happy that trolling has been nearly eradicated from 4chan. It took that "I was just pretending to be retarded" comic and people making trollface parodies for 4chan to realize that the concept was stupid.... And then we ended up with bait. Another fishing term. Fuck.
>>33279894Is this guy for real?
To all in this thread you guys should read Mircea Eliade. He really opened up my mind towards religion.
>>33275431Limiting one's omnipotence doesn't seem particularly impossible.
>>33279765It's hard to really explain without all the old links I was given.But basically.Hindu Mythology almost guessed the actual age of the universe.It has a large play on mathematics.Hindu poetry describes the effects of nukes.Hindu mythology reads more like Star Wars than a classical fantasy story.Hinduism started off like said above in some ways an Atheistic religion.
>>33278795buddhism is more os a philosophy then a religion
>>33280208They just got lucky. Also they liked to play with absurdly large numbers.
>>33280274Perhaps, but they also guessed similar life cycles of the universe that works alongside our current theories.Pretty spooky really.
>>33280313but in 30 we will have better theories and the hindu shit will look like the mayan calendar does today. Sorry for bad english. it is my primary language and im drunk
>>33280313I dont find any of that spooky really. What I DID find disturbing is the philosophy in the Mandukya Upanishads. It clearly influenced Prince Siddhartha.
>>33280068>without contradicting the premise
>>33280344Doesn't stop Hindu scripture sounding like Hard Sci Fi does it?>>33280374I don't find it to disturbing. It's pretty much a school of Hindu Meta-Psychology like Bhuddism is really.Unless of course I am missing something about the Mandukya Upanishad beyond it being a four concious state with Deep Sleep.
>>33280313Nigga did you read the hindu apocalypse predictionsthey were weirdly specific>people will migrate to lands where grain and corn are food staples
>>33280564Hinduism is always weirdly specific.It's like It was all written by Neil Gaiman.
Philosophy is stupid and God may or may not exist and/or be an arse.
>>33271449>one true God>referring to YawehWhat kind of fucking game are you playing here?
>>33280660>philosophy is stupidend yourself
>>33280704Mathematics and science > philosophy.Talking about physical phenomena > talking about what makes someone a person.
>>33280743Oh boy here we go.try posting this on /sci/ they'll probably fall for it.
>>33279953He said, posting the album cover of cultosaurus erectus.
>>33280743Oh look its one of those guys. You are not getting out of the labyrinth any time soon.
>>33280763It was the first image i clicked.
>>33280743Both fields are necessary as both cossover with each other and help us understand the universe, and thus our selves, better.Now shut the feth up and lets talk science and philosophy.
>>33280957>as both crossoverscience is literally philosophyand mathematics is directly affected by epistemology.
>>33281043Precisely which makes these types of arguments stupid.Now, what is your favorite type of star?
>>33274798Many hold it as a preincarnate Christ that Jacob wrestled with.
>>33281387We're gonna need a bigger boat.
>>33281105Not that guy. White Dwarf.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/33271449/This whole thread was interesting enough to be archived. Vote if you want.
Daily reminder that YWVH isn't really a God, but is everything and all beyond all and everything.And even beyond that.When personified he can bitchslap any hindu, norse, mystic, or whatever pussy shit you can pull out of your ass.
>>33272566Cthulhu gets reckt by a steamboat
>>33281572man what a badass
>>33281760Uh, okay.I take it your saying YWVH is the GM beyond the wall or something?
>>33279268It's just based on the observation that the smug asshole nerds always wear fedoras. Usually they're atheists, too. "Hush, the big boys are talking here" is exactly the kind of thing you'd expect to hear from a trilby-tipping douchebag nerd.
>>33281851Yes or he could also be one of these.
>>33281669>hindubut hindus brahman is the same thing
>>33271449>Hinduism>PolytheisticSomeone wasn't paying attention.
>>33281915>each time lord gets 2 portfolios but can change them as a free action
>>33281933As I understand, Brahman is all reality and beyond infinity. I guess they could be the same being, unless you assume God created all infinity and is even beyond that.
>>33282034No, that's Brahma. Brahman is the creator part of the Trimurti, and the only one not to have his own denomination.
>>33282034what if god created the hindu gods
>>33281915This shit is interesting.Somewhere along the line there has to be someone who created all this shit and is not bound by anything or set by any points or dimensions.
>>33282060I think you got mixed up there m8>>33282066Well, God created everything, so I guess he created the hindu gods too, which include Brahman, who is everything. So it makes sense.a
>>33272204It honestly sounds like this religion was made up that kid in a school playground who always had to come up with the most bullshit ways of not losing.
>>33272897This. Why do you think the Spanish put Jesus's heart outside of his body in the Mexican missions?
>>33281915Th-this is a thing?! What's the source for this? My attempt to wrap my head around the absurdly high numbers is leaving me befuddled. I mean, 500/- DR alone seems so amazing. Only Hulking Hurlers can hope to break that defense reliably.
>>33279953>>33280763When I saw the thumbnail I thought it was a picture of cupcakes...
>>33281572HOW DID THAT GO FOR YOU?
>>33277743Look up the story of Jacob in Genesis for God losing a wrestling match and then the Story of Job in the book of Job for Satan being in God's council in heaven.
>>33280380yeah but the limitations an omnipotent being could place upon its omnipotence are literally limitless!
>>33287843>yeah but the limitations an omnipotent being could place upon its omnipotence are literally limitless!Which contradicts the premise. That's the point.Of course, most people just argue that the omnipotence paradox simply cannot exist by merit of self contradiction. Like having a boiling hot ice cold object.
>Not believing in YHVH
>>33281760>Or even encounter the Cosmic EGG itself, which is said to have hatched the first set of records.Aw...
>>33280274Well no, they started with REALLY ELABORATE ANALOGIES FOR LARGE NUMBERS, like "time it'd take to erode a mountain 10 miles high and across into a grain of sand if you brushed it with a piece of silk once every day" then a bunch of autists came along later and was like "it would take THIS long" when the original point was "look, it's a long fucking time and doesn't matter to you, oh person who won't live a miniscule fraction of that period"
>>33273910Not really, the judaic narrative is basically>forget about the one true god>party with other faiths>divine punishment>repent>restored to Israel
>>33272243So why didn't the jews just worship that guy instead?
>>33288073Lots of christians also think this was a match between Jacob and God. They do not worship him because1. He was just a mortal man. 2. He received the blessing of God afterwards 3.Jacob did not change faith after this match 4. God is the only one who can deliver you to the promised land and give you a good after life.
>>33275431Resurrecting is impossible yet according ot the people god did it
>>33278128Then it is a liar because he didn't gave the D to you yet
>>33287367How about we arm wrestle for his soul?
How powerful do stuff like the African & Native American and South African religions get?Actually what's the most powerful thing the Greco-Roman and Egyptian pantheons had done?
>>33271449Here's the thing, most religious texts about that religion's own god is very propaganda-like. Polytheistic Cults have far less of a Mary Sue feel to them.So any monotheistic deities being considered have to have their bullshit taken down a notch or two to avoid stupid shit like paradoxes (Can a god who can do anything make an object so heavy that he can't lift it?).
>>33289053>African mythsWell, there was this time a talking spider spun a web to heaven and stole the concept of storytelling from the gods.>Native AmericanIt varies. Fewer objectively OP figures, more boogeymen in the woods who might want to rape/murder you.>South AfricanMixed bag. You get water gods and of course voodoo, which is insanity.
>>33289053>>33289080>South AfricanSorry I meant South American
>>33289079This is a good point. Monotheistic gods can apparently do anything (in the broad strokes)But can they do these things unopposed?
>>33277601>Forks (as in, dinner forks) weren't a thing till the renaissance (more accurately, modern period)Interesting so how did Theophano Sklereina, wife of Emperor Otto II manage to astonish the court by eating with a personal dinner fork (a common sight at Byzantine dining tables since the 4th century) in 972?
>>33287995And by Autists, you mean mathematicians. Which was all the rage at one point in ancient India. But nooo let's bitch at math because you don't understand any of it.
>>33289053Well I don't know about "power" but one of the Egyptian gods made three others from masturbating.So that's some strong seed right there
>>33289126Considering it astonished the court, I'd say she probably hired a metal wizard.
>>33289283Why is that fucker only a 4 star?Actually what's his gimmick? Maybe he's hard to summon or something. More that a fusion should be
>>33289297Well, of all the things to figure out, why was tampering with religious scripture their prerogative?
>>33289323He's a fusion of a synchro/xyz+synchro/xyz, his main function is to be used with Super Polymerization to rape your opponents field or with Instant Fusion as a one card rank 4 xyz or a level 5/6/7/8 synchro. He's busted as fuck really, much better than the Nyrlathotep we got.
>>33289336Because it was important. It's how these things go, you try and do something that makes you famous or you (or your society) considers important.Or maybe they just thought the gods must have understood math, they created it, the writings should reflect this.
>>33289410300th post nigga!The end is nigh! Thread apocalypse begins!
>>33289053I'd love some confIrmation/insight on how bullshit Egyptian and Greco-Roman gods were. The only things I know about Egyptian gods is Anubis being one of the very first case of furries, which is very crappy to know in the first place.
>>33289466Zeus impregnated a lot of people. Sometimes by seduction, other times by forceful rape.The real bitch were the time he disguised himself as the women's husbands and such.And then there was this one time he straight up made love and impregnated a woman while transformed as a Swan. So king of the gods right there did beastiality, by turning himself a swan
Ok, this thread is awesome. Can anyone suggest a reading list of hindu mythology? Is there a collected equivalent to Bullfinch's?
>>33286981Immortals Handbook: Ascension.
This has been a really good thread /tg/ truly is the best board
>>33286981Well, no actually. They can't be hurt by matter native to the universe they are from/are.
>>33288189>Resurrecting is impossible yet according ot the people god did itUsing the term "impossible" is misleading. I would argue that omnipotence means being able to create or modify anything in the universe into something else that could potentially exist within the universe, whether or not this is possible for anyone else.So god could resurrect the dead or produce fantastic entities, but all of them must continue to abide by the laws of physics (or he must rewrite physics to accommodate them, I suppose). He cannot make something that is both icy cold and ceramic-meltingly hot, because it is paradoxical.In other words, maybe the answer to the omnipotence paradox is simply that paradoxes are the limit, because it turns out that language has less of a limit than existence does.
>>33289448How do I sup/tg/? I'm new here.
>>33291168Ah, someone has to save this thread to sup/tg/I guess I'll do that now. Although you can go to the tg fools archive which will save this thread automatically, you just need to copy OP's post number into the search bar.But I'll go ahead and archive this thread now
>>33291312It's already archived.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/33271449/Just gotta vote if you so desire.
>>33287367Pretty good, since he's still alive.I WANT TO BELIEVE