You are Zhu Xing, from the city of Xu Chang. You've defeated Zhou Xin's army, and have retreated back to your own territory in wait for Wang Lang's forces to arrive. You've taken to conquering as much land as possible and gathering support, and most recently a man by the name of Dong Xi was killed fighting against you.Character Profile: http://pastebin.com/UTDjnUuXPast threads: http://archive.foolz.us/tg/search/subject/three%20kingdoms%20quest/
You return back to town, and rumors of the villagers who fought to the death have spread. Some of the popularity of your force falls and a few grumblings are here and there. It seems Dong Xi was a relatively well-known warrior around the area and his brave fall has ignited some displeasure within the populace. You think to govern the area for a week to raise support.The next few days are spent managing the town, improving it, and meeting with peasants to fulfill their requests. With your average skill in political ability and charismatic flair, support rises for you only slight amount.One day an old man visits you. He falls to his knees, tears in his eyes and informs you that one of your soldiers raped and beat his daughter. You remember that you have strictly forbidden this, and call upon the soldier who is accused of the act. The soldier fearfully falls to the floor and begs forgiveness.“I had too much to drink last night, and was not thinking straight. I barely even remember the girl, please forgive me General!” he says with tears falling down, and shivering. He is young and not older than yourself.What do you do?>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed>Have him flogged as punishment>Pardon him, and ask the old man for forgivenessRoll 1d100, avg of 4, lowest roll dropped.
Rolled 45>>33259564>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed
Rolled 82>>33259564>>Execute him, the laws must be obeyedNo exception.
Rolled 60>>33259564>>Execute him, the laws must be obeyedThe military law must be obeyed.
Rolled 35>>33259564>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed
Rolled 31>>33259564>The next few days are spent managing the town, improving it, and meeting with peasants to fulfill their requests. With your average skill in political ability and charismatic flair, support rises for you only slight amount.This is where our cha is needed.>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed
Rolled 69>>33259564>Execute him, the law must be upheldShould we investigate this first?
Rolled 62Execute him, the laws must be obeyed
>>33259643What is there to investigate? He confessed. There's no question of fact here, it's a matter of meting out punishment.
Rolled 1>>33259564>Have him flogged as punishmentWe don't want to piss off our soldiers or the villagers.
Rolled 3>>33259643He has all but admitted to it already.I don't think we need to investigate further.>>33259564>Execute him, the laws must be obeyedOrder the execution.The only way he gets a stay of execution.Is if the old man agrees to forgive him and commute his sentence to flogging.He should not be begging us for forgiveness but that of the old mans!
Rolled 69>>33259729>He should not be begging us for forgiveness but that of the old mans!Oh, true, have Xing say this
>>33259729>Order the execution.>The only way he gets a stay of execution.>Is if the old man agrees to forgive him and commute his sentence to flogging.>He should not be begging us for forgiveness but that of the old mans!Holy shit, this.
>>33259702No, we must let him die.Even Cao Cao punished himself for disobeying the law, and ordered his servants to kill him.
>>33259564>>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed
>>33259729I'm going to respectfully disagree.This man must be made an example of. Our soldiers will know the consequences of disobeying the military law, and our people will know us to be a just governor. If the old man lets him off, the people will suspect corruption because of our low reputation.The man must die.
>>33259564>“I had too much to drink last night, and was not thinking straight.EXECUTE HIM. At this point, we have to lead by example to show that we are not above tradition and military law.>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed.
>>33259758>>33259729This.But old man will kill him anyway.We should also use some taels of our gold to satiate the family
>>33259788>We should also use some taels of our gold to satiate the familyI would support this course of action.Although it would be nice if raian could inform us as to the regular pay scale of peasants and soldiers so we know whats a reasonable amount to pay.
>>33259751Seconded.Although threaten that this is his ONLY warning and if he steps out of line again (if the old man chooses to forgive him) then it's OFF WITH HIS HEAD.
>>33259823We could give the pay to the executed soldier as an apology to the family
>>33259823I remember 10,000 Taels of gold were something like 367 year's pay for a town's official.
>>33259823No, that's going way too much into tiny picky details. Just say "compensate reasonable amount" for simplicity's sake.
>>33259866>We could give the pay to the executed soldier as an apology to the familyWhat's a dead guy going to with the money?
Actually, you're right.. Switching my vote from >>33259849To execute, and give the family money
>>33259913He might have had a family to support.
>>33259938Probably shouldn't have raped a girl and disobeyed our direct orders then.
>>33259913Wups I meant use the executed soldiers pay as a gift to the victims family
>>33259954Oh im not disputing that.Its just that if he does have a family. His family is still entitled to his pay and we shouldnt deprive them of it.
Oh just wondering, does anyone know what happened in quest 7? I missed it so I read up on suptg but it ended abruptly right when we were about to fight the man with the halberd. What happened afterwards? Was there another thread after that?
You stomp your feet to the ground, and rise, raising a hand in the air."I have strictly made it law that no person of these lands would be harmed," you state angrily and out loud. "How am I to maintain order and peace if I should excuse those who go against my word? How can I face my ancestors when I go back on my claims? Guards, take this man away and have him executed. Let his head be displayed outside these halls as an example! Give a small pouch of coins to this man as compensation for his daughter.""General! Please, I have a wife and two kids!" the soldiers cries as he is dragged away.Your command and authority rings out loud enough for people to accept your decision and not complain. Gao Shun who has been diligently standing guard near the corner nods in approval. The old man bows."Thank you General! Thank you! Justice was seen here today!"Word of your deed spreads, and the support of your forces rise.--------------------------------------------------The next day, you are working on some documents. A lot of the details and complications slightly frustrate you. A knock comes to your door, and Song Xian comes in smiling with a bottle of wine."General! You are working far too much, why not rest awhile and have a drink? I have bought a fine, aged wine, and I would like to share it with you.">Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while>Refuse, you want to focus on work
>>33260055Check the foolz thread.The suptg archive wasnt updated till the end
Rolled 40>>33260055Take a look at the foolz archive in the OP`
>>33260064>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little whileBRING OUTTHEKETTTTTLE
>>33260064>Refuse, you want to focus on workRefuse politely. We must put this city in order before we defeat Wang Lang. Say that you'll have the wine after you route Wang Lang's army and take the city.
>>33260064Refuse but be nice, you'll get DRUNK AS FUCK later
>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little whileCouldn't hurt, could it?
>>33260064>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little whileA break would be good.
>>33260064>>Refuse, you want to focus on workI want my POL and INT points. We must also emulate Zhang Liao and Gao Shun, not a scrub general.
>>33260064>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while
>>33260064>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little whileAs long as we don't get drunk.If this was Lingqi, no way in hell we'd be turning her away lol
>>33260064>>33260120>>33260125second, with emphasis on sharing drinks after work finished.
>>33260064> Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while.We're going to need to make nice with all of our followers. Going b the Pastebin, we've got a bit of a ways to go until everyone is at least Friendly or higher.Goddamn, it's like raising Reputation in WoW all over again, minus the 20 bear asses.
>>33260174We'll eventually have too many followers for that. We just need to identify the important followers and focus on them.
>>33260064>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little whileBreaks do the body good and lets us work at our best.
>>33260064>Refuse, you want to focus on work
>>33260064>Song Xian, we have little to celebrate, let us gain Wang Yun's head, and I will drink with you until I drop.
>>33260064>>Refuse, you want to focus on workSave the celebration for later
>>33260077>>33260070Alright. Thank you, Anons.Also voting for having a drink... Wouldn't hurt to increase our amity with him, would it?............would it?
>>33260200Or make buddies with the high POL, INT, and CHR followers so they can create a Cult of Personality for us. Then we can focus on the war effort while they play the role of spin doctor.Pretty sure that most of the military strategists doubled up as public relations anyways.
Rolled 67>>33260229>Wang Yun'Pls no Wang lang
>>33260064>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while>>33260254if you're voting, link OP's post.
>>33260254I would gladly sacrifice a potential relationship gain with Song Xian if it improves our reputation with Zhang Liao and Gao Shun (more capable men who are likely to frown upon premature celebrations). We also really need to get the city in order before we go to war.
>>33260296Except that isn't the choice. We can either accept the rep bump from this guy or get nothing.
>>33260229This. We got towns to manage, after all. Gotta get everything done first, THEN we drink up with Song Xian.
>>33260306Nothing it is then.Song Xian is a hack, and this will only hurt our cause, and image.
>>33260306I don't see it as getting nothing. It's the implied choice in my opinion. If we refuse, we will focus on work for the night. Which helps us get the city in order.There's also a chance that our words refusing to celebrate will get back to the other officers.
Lets put it to the Zhang Fei test.If we do anything Like Zhang Fei in times of importance, it's probably bad.Now, Zhang Fei would probably be drinking, drinking before Song Xian arrived most likely, but drinking all the same
>>33260337They saw the writing on the wall at that point in history and Song Xian has been leading from the front in this campaign, helping to lead and direct some of our more dangerous operations like the fire attack.He is at least, decent.
>>33260337I don't want to alienate Song Xian, but I'm not a big fan of his as his ability and judgment are suspect. He was the first to advocate looting the towns, his contribution at the war council was meager, and his achievements in the battle were not impressive. Gao Shun and Zhang Liao have both been extremely impressive. Song Xian, not so much.
>>33260064Politely refuse the drink but offer to hear him out if he has something to speak about. He's likely trying to use the drinking as an excuse to ask us something so why not at least hear him out? If he simply wants to socialize thank him for the kind gesture and assure him that once the province is secure and the coming army defeated we will be happy to share drinks with him. Don't just throw him out he may be here in response to the execution and there could be trouble in the ranks. Sharing a drink is likely just an ice breaker for something more I think.
>>33260441This brings up a good point.
>>33260441>Don't just throw him out he may be here in response to the execution and there could be trouble in the ranksWhile that is a valid point. >Your command and authority rings out loud enough for people to accept your decision and not complain.Leads me to believe that our decision went over well enough.
>>33260064So Raian, can we get some mediation here? A bunch of votes both ways, and not a peep out of you or an idea of what we are waiting for. Maybe you have a plan, maybe you don't know what to do, maybe you're already writing. Let us know.
>>33260543You're new to this quest, aren't you?
>>33260264I expect that those followers will be on the "Important to chat up" list.However, we really are going to have to prioritize at some point. We can't befriend everyone.
>>33260527The people likely means the citizens of the land and not specifically our troops. Had we been to light on the rapist there would have been complaints that we do not discipline our soldiers and the citizens of the land are not safe from harm so long as soldiers can cry alligator tears to get a reduced sentence.
>>33260064>>Politely refuse. Tell him we'll drink when we win, make it clear we're glad he offered.Working on administration is definitely more important for the campaign than Song Xian.
For reference, people that we should suck up to we should call by their courtesy name.Example: Cao Cao's courtesy name is Cao Mende, while Lu Bu's is Fengxian.
>>33260543It sounds like you're asking for a crystal ball into the future. I'm not sure what you're expecting.
>>33260562Lingqi = Cheng Gong > Lu Bu = Zhang Liao > Gao Shun
"I have much work to do, but I must refuse General," you reply with a shake of your head. "We can drink after we have taken Hui Ji and Wang Lang's head. But for now, I must tend to my duties."Ahh... Yes, of course," Song Xian says with a bow. "I am sorry to have disturbed you."Song Xian leaves in polite fashion, but you can tell he feels disappointed and slightly slighted. You turn back to your duties and work for the rest of the night. (Pol +1 after campaign)-------------------------------------The weekend nearly comes to an end. You are informed of a local group of bandits that have been captured. The bandit leader, who is of no name, pleads to allow them in to your force and that they would serve your force against Wang Lang. They are about five hundred strong. >Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the law>Deny the leader and have the bandits excuted
>>33260607Except that's never once been the case in this quest.
>>33260634>>Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the law
>>33260593Though not paying attention to our subordinates could bite us in the ass. If we continue to ignore him he'll eventually leave, betray us or act up causing trouble. Giving him the time of day doesn't hurt us so long as we don't join him in drinking and neglect our duties.
>>33260634>Ask that they return any plundered goods, and that any who have raped or murdered be judged by our court
>>33260634>>Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the lawThis was very common.
>>33260634Deny them. They're infiltrators.
>>33260634>Question their origins and ask the locals who these bandits really are."Tao Qian took in some former Yellow Scarves and look what happened to Xu Province. Call up <name of that local administrator dude we hired previously> and inquire who these bandits really are."
Rolled 98>>33260664No kidding. We don't have to suck everyone's ass, but even scrubs can throw open our gates to the enemy. >>33260634>Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the law
>>33260634>>Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the lawShow them the head of our subordinate.Let them know we will brook no disobedience from them.
>>33260634>Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the lawCao Cao accepted the Yellow Turbans, we will accept them but keep an eye on them.>>33260705We don't have a cell phone and he's far away in Jian'ye, how the hell is he going to know who these no-name bandits are?
>>33260705This.>>33260634Don't blindly accept them.
>>33260664>>33260711After this campaign, we should make good on our promise.We'll go visit him for a drink.
>>33260695>>33260702Tao Qian accepted a band of former Yellow Turbans and those gits killed Cao Cao's daddy. That led to Xuzhou getting sieged hardcore and (at least in this continuity) Tao Qian's death along with half of Xuzhou going under Cao Cao's grasp while the other half got handed off to Liu Bei.We don't wanna emulate Tao Qian's stupidity.
I'm kind of iffy on this... As good as it is to have 500 additional troops, i feel like this will damage our reputation with the citizens. I doubt they'll think very highly of an army that simply lets a group of bandits who have been pillaging these villages join their forces.
>>33260745Thing is we can't really afford to turn away troops.We can perhaps offer them penal service in our army. They fight for their freedom.
>>33260552>>33260626I am new, but I don't think I was being rude or unreasonable. I'm not demanding anything like I have a right to it, just asking.There are plenty of options in quests for smoothing out the process. If Raian and you fine folks want it this way, fair enough. I just don't see how asking about the established routine in a quest that isn't new is anything like asking for a crystal ball.
>>33260745Which is why >>33260694 states, we will be reforming them, any who have raped will die, and the plundered goods returned.Not only will we be ridding them of the bandit problem, we'll be returning their goods
>>33260694that would probably be most of them.They ARE bandits.
>>33260742The fault here is not he accepted them, but that he didn't know how to employ them.
>>33260745We only have 6700 troops against Wang Lang's 10,000. Those 500 will be useful so long as they are held under tight leash.This was common operating procedure in the Three Kingdoms.
>>33260771We don't need numbers. That'd be the Yuan family's military strategy right there.What we need are capable generals, intelligent strategists, and soldiers who are ballsy enough to climb up the side of a mountain and drop firebombs and rocks on the enemy.
>>33260780Raian has almost never expanded upon the options he presents. This led to a massive shitstorm in thread 3.
>>33260818He did say that the options presented are based off of the main character's INT stat.Then again, Raian does leave a lot of stuff up the air for us to start guessing wildly about. QM transparency is a "wut" now.
>>33260795Then they will be refused, simple as.
>>33260818I wasn't looking on more information on the options so much as what kind of "consensus" we're aiming for. Like how some quests the QM waits for the first 20 votes and then posts "you have chosen X. writing". Or some QMs will wait until any discussion is resolved and people have said their piece.
>>33260634>>Deny the leader and have the bandits excuted>>33260815It was also common in the Three Kingdoms to be betrayed or murderd.by ones subordinates.That's not really a great supporting argumrnt.
>>33260790I suppose, I'll vote for accepting them then.But have some soldiers keep an eye on them, in case they try anything funny.
>>33260897It was common to be betrayed or murdered by one's subordinate when you mistreated them or you were losing badly. If the 500 soldiers are kept under a tight leash, they help even the odds against Wang Lang.
Hey don't we have a general familiar with this area since he was ya know an enemy general until a while ago? Why don't we get him to vet these bandits. Depending on how bad they were we can decide to give them a second chance as part of our army or execute them. If he has no knowledge I say we grill the leader for how a group of 500 bandits weren't noticed for so long. We should also find out who caught 500 bandits while we were busy with governing.
You demand to know more about these bandits, and ask the details of them and the working for the past years. Gao Shun slightly frowns."Bandits are bandits General... But I will seek the information."A few hours later, Gao Shun returns after having spoken with the people and the previous administrators. He informs you that the bandits kept a base near the roads of the Southlands, taking passage tolls when they could and murdering those who disobeyed. Those without money were captured and sold as prisoners. They have committed lawless actions as any other bandits would do; no more, no less.Do you still accept them to your force?>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people>Refuse and have them executed
>>33260960>>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people
Rolled 98>>33260634>>33260711I will be down for this. If they want to live they must follow our ways and rules.
>>33260960>>Refuse and have them executedFuck the lot
>>33260694If they refuse and say out demands are absurd, retort with>Do you not think it is absurd that wild beasts want to join an army of humans as well?
>>33260960>>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the peopleRecruit them
>>33260960>Accept falsely, encircle their troops and slaughter them>Return goods to families
>>33260960>>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the peopleA rising force like ours needs the manpower, and if more bandits join us it means fewer are harassing people.
>>33261019>You are informed of a local group of bandits that have been capturedReally?
> Plunder village> Don't apologize and kill Ding Xi> Let local bandits into the army.It's like you want to puss away the only public good will we have left.
>>33260960Accept them, but put them under Gao Shun's command if he finds them lacking in repentance he is free to do with them as he see's fit up to and including execution. He's a good soldier and a just man, if they cannot repent under his command then they will never be better than trash.
>>33260960>>Refuse and have them executed
>>33260960>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people
>>33261019This.>>33261030But it also means that every single town will view is as a bandit army rather than as their saviours.Think about it, Wang Lang has let bandits roam free, if we accept them, we are no better, even worse in fact!
>>33260960>Refuse and have them executed
>>33260960>>Refuse and have them executedWe have to uphold local order and respect the ways of the common masses.Also, fuck these bandits. They are very un-Confucian and do not deserve the proper burial rites. Off with their heads and put them up next to the rapist's head.
>>33260960>>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the peopleMaybe if Dong Xi wasn't an asshole and joined us, we wouldn't have to resort to this.
>>33260960>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the peoplePut them under Zhang Liao's command. He'll straighten them out.
>>33260960>Refuse have them executed
>>33260960>>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the peopleDon't put them under Song Xian
>>33260960Accept them but put them under Gao Shun's command. Any shit falls on his head, and if he irons them out all the better for him too.
>>33261093>Dong Xi> assholeI swear /tg/'s penchant for poor for sight is rivals only by it's inability to admit it's mistakes.
>>33261060And what if they betray him and kill him? We lose a great officer, for nothing.>>33260960>Refuse have them executed
>>33261148Suicide by massive army isn't that bad, but he got some stupid villagers killed with him.
>>33261060>>33261137>>33261139Gao Shun's our cavalry commander. These bandits likely aren't cavalry material.
>>33261084>Also, fuck these bandits. They are very un-Confucian and do not deserve the proper burial rites. Off with their heads and put them up next to the rapist's head.We aren't exactly pillars of Confucian ideals anon. We serve a man who has broken nearly every core tenant of that particular life style.
>>33261067Letting bandits into the army isn't worse than letting them roam free, it's better. Under our control they won't be harassing people, and other bandits will be encouraged to do the same.
>>33261170Zhang Liao then.
>>33261171And we are trying to mend that, and make it so he is worthy.>>33261178So we slaughter them.
>>33261207>And we are trying to mend that, and make it so he is worthy.Not really? We're stopping him from being a drunken bore, that doesn't make as Confucian.Fuck Confucian ideals right up the ass anyway. They aren't even the societal norm yet.
>>33261170The Zhang Liao can handle them.Although I wonder if he'll think negatively of us for dumping a bunch of misfit possibly dangerous bandits on his hands..
>>33261207Shufag pls stuff your benevolence so far up your ass it leaks out your nose.
>>33260960"You may join my army""However, in accordance with the military rules, you are all sentenced to be executed, for murder, rape, and plunder"
>>33261148He chose to attack us outnumbered 12 to 1 when we made our case and offered him the chance to join us. He was an asshole to us regardless of who held the moral high ground. It's a fact that he reduced our army from 6900 to 6700 and we have to fight an army of 10,000. Numbers are hard to overcome.
>>33261225A testament to his skill as an instructor.Assholes saying 'kill every bandit that crosses our path' will never have great officers like Gan Ning in their number with such strict 'morals'.
>>33261271Even Chen Gong lamented the fact that we couldn't recruit the 500 pirates earlier. Do these guys think pirates are any better than bandits? We are fighting a war here and we need soldiers. We are hugely outnumbered.
>>33261239>"However, in accordance with the military rules, you are all sentenced to be executed, for murder, rape, and plunder"They've committed no crimes while part of our force. Such judgement is short sighted and pointless, setting a dangerous precedent.
>>33261170>>33261164Fair points. One of the other problems of killing them though is that bandits won't surrender to us in the future, instead they'll try and run and regroup later or fight to the death knowing they'll be executed later. I don't think there's a "Right" answer here. If we execute them we're blood thirsty and can only see death as a solution to crimes. If we don't we kill a hero of the people but spare bandits that plunder and murder innocents and have allowed our army to steal from the populace as well.
>>33261314I already agree with you that we should recruit them for all the reasons mentioned. Gao Shun's just an awful fit for the bandits because he commands our cavalry. They should be under Zhang Liao's watchful eyes.
>>33261227Then think about it as Cao Cao would.Even he knew that popular support was what won wars.Which is why when he invaded Tao Qian's province of Xu, he had to kill swathes of peasants, all of which made Xu more and more worthless.>>33261296Yes.Because it a fucking named character, who was great with boats, something we don't have.
Rolled 62>>33261314Xi kinda rushed us though, we did give him a chance.
"Those who would change their ways for the better of this land will be allowed in my army. You will return all goods you have plundered back to this town. You will be placed under strict scrutiny, and any sign of regression to your lawless ways will result in immediate execution. General Gao Shun shall personally see to it that you follow the martial laws of my force."Gao Shun nods in acceptance."Is this clear?" you state to the bandits."Yes, the General's mercy flies to the heavens!" the bandit leader says placing his head on the ground.The bandits are recruited, and the plundered goods are returned to the town. With your strict laws in place and Gao Shun heading them, the bandits are quickly put in discipline. A few of the populace do not like the idea of the bandits joining, but for the most part, the people are left content and some are impressed that the bandits are reformed.You have a week left before Wang Lang's forces arrive. What do you do in preparation?>Recruit more volunteers (Choose how many days)>Gather more public support (Choose how many days)>Gather information on the land and enemy force (Choose how many days)Roll 1d100.
>>33261166So somehow Dong Xi has mind control powers.Nameless villagers went "fuck you Zhou Xing!" and died fighting. You don't launch an attack like that without knowing you're really doing it.>>33261253Considering there was an option to show good will and it was explicitly not chosen he had every right to consider the army a bunch of low life's.Also the moral high ground dosen't dissappear just because it dosen't favor you.
>>33261367>>Recruit more volunteers (Choose how many days)3 days>Gather information on the land and enemy force (Choose how many days)4 days
Out for half an hour.
>>33261367Didn't we have 7 days to recruit soldiers in the plan?Then 7 days conquering, and rinse and repeat
>>33261347Right but the populace will just look at the end results (especially when someone eventually tries to have them turn on us while our army is fighting). The only reason I'm leaning towards sparing them is to bolster our force and show that we can be reasonable. Though if we chose to execute them I wouldn't mind, since both options have benefits and drawbacks.
>>33261367Well, that went better than expected. A happy middle ground option resulted instead of the usual EXTREME RIGHT and EXTREME WRONG end of the pendulum.>Recruit more volunteers -- 5 days.
Rolled 18>>33261367>Gather information on the land and enemy force (7 days)
>>33261404This.We go 7 Days in each.We just finished 7 Days in governing, so 7 days in recruiting now
>>33261367>>Gather information on the land and enemy force (7 days)Time for battle prep.
Rolled 93>>33261424Forgot muh roll.
Rolled 32>>33261439Rolling for this.
Can we throw up some defenses and the like?
Rolled 34>>33261367>Gather more public support4 days>Gather information on the land and enemy force3 days
>>33261367>The bandits are recruited, and the plundered goods are returned to the town. With your strict laws in place and Gao Shun heading them, the bandits are quickly put in discipline. A few of the populace do not like the idea of the bandits joining, but for the most part, the people are left content and some are impressed that the bandits are reformed.So we got 500 free soldiers with minimal effect on public order. Thank god the execute 'em option failed.
>>33261367>>Recruit more volunteers (Choose how many days) 3>>Gather information on the land and enemy force (Choose how many days) 4
Rolled 41>>33261367>>Gather information on the land and enemy force3 Days>Gather more public support1 Day>Recruit more volunteers 2 DaysLast day rest and ready for battle.
Can't we like, have 7 days where we govern, recruit, and gain information?
>>33261471What game is this from?
Rolled 99>>33261404>>33261436Idiots. We alredy completed all 21 days of our 7-7-7 plan. Since we don't have a general familiar with the land >>33261367>>Gather information on the land and enemy forceSeven days
>>33261516Romance of the three kingdoms 11, like it says in the filename.
>>33261517We have Fan Neng who should know the land in and out.
Rolled 1>>33261367>Gather information on the land and enemy force (5 days)we should use the remaining 2 to establish plans/maneuver.
>>33261516Rotk 11 for the PCIt's so much fun, and you can create custom officers like Zhu Xing
>>33261439backing this. Even if we score some troops via recruiting they'll be green and we'll still be out numbered (we'd probably get about 500 or so troops based on the last few attempts at a guess) however if we're able to use what information we gather effectively we could negate or significantly lessen the difference between troops. Wang Liang is a subpar general, but has a numerically superior fighting force. Our best hope of victory is preying on his mistakes and achieving victory with superior tactics. If we want to do that we need to have the best possible knowledge about the terrain we're going to be using.
>>33261417>>33261432>>33261450Average of 58.
>>33261367>Gather information on the land and enemy force (7 days)Find ambush points and strategic battlefields.
>>33261367>>33261391Changing vote to >Gather information on the land and enemy force for 7 days.
>>33261540He only agreed to serve us so long as he didn't have to fight his former lord and compatriots. So I think he'll abstain from giving us pointers on how best to kill his old allies and we shouldn't ask that of him anyway.
>>33261616He did actually give us pointers on how to attack and what attacks were not likely to succeed.He just won't lift his sword against them.
>>33261545There are also scenario editors.
>>33261367>>Recruit more volunteers (Choose how many days)7 days
>>33261640Ohoho, completely awesome, saved.Do you just wait for each quest thread and update your game accordingly?
>>33261640>Not having correct troop or food sizesPleb
>>33261640could you post your Zhu Xing character sheet pls? Also also, did you make our brother and sister?
>>33261367>gather information on the land and enemy force 7days
>>33261640I actually made Zhu Xing in RTK 11 as well using Raian's pastebin. He lost a duel against Zhang Fei and was killed. Lu Bu executed all 3 brothers afterwards. So lessons learned there I suppose.
>>33261862>killed;_; How'd you get to fight the three brothers, anyway?
>>33261862Yea, our war stat is still pretty shit
>>33261907Hu Lao gate I suppose
>>33261862>Die Gloriously >Aniki Lu bu Executes themBased Lu bu
Warning for those starting, the premade officers that you can optionally add in are generally very powerful and have 1-2 stats maxed out or nearly so, and spread around randomly. It can make or break your game sometimes, I usually leave them out because it can make some already strong forces monsters and ruin the game.Alternatively, play RotTK X on an emulator for the maximum comfy officer life experience, XI for the maximum comfy ruler life experience.
>mfw playing DW4, DW8, RotTK XI, and participating in this thread
Can we agree that Gao Shun has been the MVP of this campaign thus far? >Lead the cavalry charge to take the first city (although Lingqi and Zhang Liao got more credit in that battle)>Successfully charges the flanks of Fan Neng's army and scatters them, personally killing Yu Mi in the process.>Helps us lead a band of small elites with Lingqi to execute a successful fire attack>Successfully reforms the bandits and adds them to our armyThis isn't even including his admirable personal traits. Zhang Liao is great, but Gao Shun has outshined him so far.
>>33261913Yeah, once we find a strategist/political adviser/ PR guy we should take time to diligently train and improve our stats. Sadly I think Zhu would still be generic officer tier in DW with his current stat load out.
>>33261907I played the Rise of Lu Bu scenario. Took out Cao Cao quickly, and went to take the rest of Xu province from Liu Bei before I had to face Li Jue and Yuan Shao. At least Zhu Xing died a glorious death.
>>33262102Considering we haven't had a stat raise in 3? threads now, it seems he's doomed to be a mook for the rest of his life.
>>33262102We did though.
>>33262066Campaign ain't over yet.
>>33261730Keep in mind the picture is just the default. Also the second page is the default stats.
>>33262147Raian says we'll get our stat-ups at the end of this arc. I think it's a little ridiculous how he's shifting towards this method of level-ups instead of what he's been doing for the first 5 threads.
>>33262159>Thus far>>33262147All stats come after the end of campaign, so we'll be getting a pretty substantial bonus hopefully. >>33262148We don't have one with us though. Chen Gong will be with Lu Bu 24/7. We need our own advisers once we get control of our own city and independent command. Lu Bu
>>33262173>fascinated by kettleshue.
>>33262173Why is Zhang Fei a voice option?
>>33262221We left him back at our city. Then again hes a civics advisor and administrator.
>>33262239Because only zhang fei speaks like zhang fei.
>>33262240Honestly, those are more important to us if we have our own city. Raian said that our intelligence was above-average for generals at the moment. Our politics? Not so much, and we can't afford to boost it at the expense of other important stats.
>>33262066Zhang Liao will prove himself with time. We've been fortunate to have him and Gao Shun with us on this campaign. We've made a few rookie mistakes so far but nothing that can't be salvaged or improved upon so long as we can pull out a win in the upcoming battle. Funny enough I think Zhu Xing needs someone that has his back like we've done for Lu Bu. If any one thought of us as Lu Bu's number one guy we've probably left something to be desired but at the same time we're like twenty so there's time to grow. Taking counsel earlier probably won us a little good will, it may be a good idea to do so again when we're deciding on our battle plan.
>>33262280Armchair general pls. The things you consider rookie mistakes are probably the only correct decisions we've made.
Incidentally, here's a map of China right now. There's some guesswork involved, especially since Raian didn't specify which half of Xu province Liu Bei has, but it shouldn't be too bad. Both Yan Baihu and Wang Lang are to our east, Yan Baihu is the northern of the two. Also this is based on the AD 194 scenario, and for us the year is 192.
>>33262173That spouse section won't be blank for much longer if we have anything to say about it.
>>33262312Which colour are we
>>33262335We won't. Lingqi hates us.
>>33262312Here's another map of China with the cities. I think they'll be helpful if you look at both of them combined.Jian'ye is our city and I believe we are assaulting Southeast to the coast right now.
>>33262276Honestly, for a field general all of our stats our above average. Most generals would have lower WAR, INT, POL and CHR stats than us. Our LDR isn't too high, but it's definitely competent.
>>33262365Yup, but we don't want to be above-average. We want to be excellent. We are probably the best 20 year old general out there, but we want to keep growing and developing.
>>33262340Black, to the east there
>>33262340Black.>>33262343Check the pastebin.
>>33262147The stat raise will come and I imagine it'll be a big buff. Even with that though I'm thinking like 5-9 range for war and 2-6 range for the other stats that bump up, being optimistic there.I wonder if we could get a tutor to give Zhu Xing a passive +1 or at set intervals for Politics or Charisma.
>>33262396I imagine it'll be a lot less than you're hoping for.
>>33262343Character Profile: http://pastebin.com/>Lu Lingqi: Friendly
>>33262396I think that's huge optimistic. 5-9 range would push Zhu Xing into 90-94 range before items. We haven't done anything to merit that huge increase particularly since Raian said WAR will get harder to raise as it gets higher. We beat down Yu Mi, beat down Lingqi, and was a regular badass in the battles, but that's probably 2-3 in my opinion. I think intelligence and leadership will go up around that range though.
>>33262396Might want to purchase some of the extra cha boosting items, me thinks
>>33262445>This one faggot keeps trying to get us to waste points in our dump stat.
Rolled 2>>33262455this one faggot that keeps mixing up pol and cha
>>33262418Possibly. That's why I said I was being optimistic. Though I think we'll see an increase in every stat at least, the only stat that I can't immediately think of an example of using since the campaign began is charisma.
>>33262485Not the anon you're referring to, but I am fairly certain CHA is our lowest stat
>>33262505http://pastebin.com/UTDjnUuX>Pol: 50>Cha: 57
>>33262521>Thinking they're not both dump statsShufags gonna fag
>>33262445Only if we get INT items as well. Honestly, Pol's our only true dump stat. Cha can be useful in multiple ways so it's not a terrible idea to boost it some. >>33262491We used charisma to govern the city. Execute the soldier and bring the bandits under our rule without a fuss. Recruiting Fan Neng is also an example. Some of these didn't require dice rolls, but they would logically go to charisma stats. >>33262505It's Pol by a pretty large margain.
>>33262536>pretty large margain.No it isn't
You decide to spend the rest of the week gathering intelligence on the outlay of the lands and the enemy.>You hear that Wang Lang is only moderately popular. While he is a decent administrator, he is a sycophant and a schemer who does what profits him. Some people disagree that he allied with Yan Baihu and the Shanyue, others think he stabilized the area>You hear that a talented politician by the name of Yu Fan was nearly executed for proposing to surrender to Lu Bu and cutting ties with Yan Baihu>The troops under Wang Lang are only partially trained and have not seen much wars besides fighting small bandits. They should also be a bit tired from their march here >The Southlands is hot and humid during the summer, and it is currently the summer right now>Most of the territory you have occupied are flat short grasslands. As Fan Neng stated, there are farmlands to the east where you may use the flood attack you were thinking of before. There are some short forests to the southwest but they are scattered and not much use for cover. You may also engage Wang Lang near a river that is only partially deep, and enough for troops to cross by swimmingYou have some options in engaging Wang Lang. You may meet him at the field, or fortify at the town or garrison. >Meet him at the field (Choose where)>Fortify the town and fight here>Move your forces to the garrison you captured
>>33262562>>Meet him at the field (Choose where)The river crossing
>>33262562>>Meet him at the field (Choose where)River crossing.We are going to Sun Ce Wang Lang.We also have to recruit Yu Fan.
>>33262562>Troops: 7200>Equipment: 1900 horses, 5 Catapults, 3 Ballista, 3 Siege Rams>Food: 1477>Morale: Medium>Fatigue: None
>>33262562>Meet him at the field (Choose where)River Crossing>>OtherSend out the cavalry under Gao Shun to go and harass his army.
>>33262594Okay, we don't have the food for a siege battle.
>>33262562> meet him on the grasslandsPerfect terrain for a cavalry heavy force. Enough space to keep from being encircled. We hit him as hard as possible and give his troops no time to rest.
>>33262562>>Meet him at the field (Choose where)River crossing
>>33262562>>Meet him at the field (River Crossing)We'll have Zhang Liao lead an elite flanking force to cross the river at night and we'll hit them from both the front and the flank at dawn.
>>33262630>>Enough space to keep from being encircled.That is literally the opposite of how it works. Flat expanses maximize the advantage of superior numbers, rough terrain retards it.
>>33262562>>Meet him at the field (Choose where)River crossing, Slow his troops down.Then after the attack if things work out we fall back to base.
>>33262653Wait, what? That's a terrible idea.
>>33262653Let's hold off on in-depth strategy until we finally see the enemy.
Would it be possible for us to lure him into a skirmish at the river to have him exhaust his troops by fording the river, fall back to the grasslands and reform while the Calvary hits them from surprise? Or is that too risky/ overly complicated?
>>33262562can we build spike traps and pit falls?
>>33262668You do realize that's an exact replica of how Sun Ce crushed Wang Lang?
>>33262562Say Raian, would you mind giving us weapons aptitudes like in >>33262173?
Because Wang Lang's troops are tired from the humid march, we should attack before they are able to rest.
>>33262562>Meet him at the field (Choose where)At the river crossing. We can try to bait the bastard in attacking us and having his troops exhaust themselves.
>>33262750Seems smart. Maximizing their fatigue should give our forces an edge.
>>33262687The way basic river warfare works is that you either engage your enemy when they are crossing so that the vanguard can't be supported by the forces still wading in the water, or you force them to have their back to the river so they can't hold a proper defense.
>>33262562>Meet him at the field(River crossing)We have a strong Calvary so we should try out maneuvering him and trying to flank him
>>33262562>Meet him at the field (Choose where)River crossing.
>>33262794I agree with the first part, but at the time armies often wanted the river at their back so the soldiers knew they had to either fight or drown.
>>33262887It's a fordable river, so that won't work here. It's basically a fatigue trap, rather than a do-or-die setpiece
>>33262905Now that mention, I wonder how long the fordable portion is. Is it the whole thing? Also, where swimming involved Wang Lang's southlanders will have an advantage over the northerners in our army.
>>33262943its hard to swim and dodge arrows
>>33263029Especially while wearing armor and bumping into the scores of people crowded around you trying not to drown
>>33262943Not if they're the ones doing the swimming into our defensive formations.
You move your forces to the river crossing and prepare your lines there. Wang Lang's army emerges, 10,000 men strong as you were informed. They are made mostly of infantry. Wang Lang moves in front of the river atop his horse, and you go out to meet him from the other side."Rebels and bandits, why do you attack my lands? I have been assigned my rank by the court, I demand you leave.""Wang Lang," you reply. "When the Han court was taken by Dong Zhuo, you did nothing to aid it. You have allied yourself with bandits and barbarians allowing them to pillage this country. I will take your head and bring peace back to these Southlands along with Lord Lu Bu.""Hah, what bold words from the man who served Dong Zhuo himself! You are no more an opportunist than I am, killing and betraying lords to your benefit. You will never pacify the Shanyue as I have with my negotiations.""Turn yourself in, Wang Lang, and I may leave you with your tongue in tact. Fight me and I shall have your head on spike along with Yan Baihu when my lord defeats him."With a furious tug of his horse's reins, Wang Lang moves back to his force. The drums begin to beat and Wang Lang's army moves to attack you.How do arrange your formation? Vote on how you array your troops.Roll 1d100, avg of four, lowest roll dropped.
Rolled 61>>33263089Time for Sun ce
Rolled 18>>33263089Rolling first
Rolled 16>>33263089Circle around the entrance of the crossing.Let them cross and come to us.
Rolled 77>>33263089Cavalry in reserve on the flanks, archers in the rear bombard with ranged fire as they ford/cross, infantry in a flying wedge formation in the center.Let infantry take the brunt for a few moments before feigning a retreat. As the enemy pursues, have the cavalry sweep through from the flanks before having the infantry turn and counter-charge.
>>33263089spears and shields at the front archers positioned behind them with a good view of their targets fireing constant harassment volleys while cavelry wait for a moment to hit the middle of their army that crosses the ford hit and run only to preserve troops let them hit the shield wall and spear them while continuing hit and run and arrow harassment
Rolled 99>>332630892 thousand Blocking the main crossing with archers to the left & right flanks three thousand in reserve and a thousand under Zhang liao's command as cavalry to flank the enemy after they exhaust themselves.
welp, dice want us dead.
>>33263089I assume range attackers up front and peg the enemy as they come. Then have them fall back and let the melee hold the line to let our houses flank them.
>>33263164That's 'cause>>33263139>>33263121decided to roll first before coming up with a military tactic. Dumb gits.
>>33263089Have the archers in front pelt them with arrows as they cross the river and once they are roughly halfway over, have our own troops step forward ready to charge the enemy once they reach our shore. Keep cavalry in reserve until needed
>>33263089Clarification needed. Is he crossing the river to attack us or is his army's back to the river?
>>33263125>>33263121>>33263109Ah fuck.Alright, we want to press the attack and drive them into the river. I suggest roll up the left flank with our cavalry under Gao Shun, while pressing into the centre with our infantry. We let arrows drop on the right flank. Be aggressive, press them back.
>>33263089Infantry in front, archers behind firing into the crossing. Send a flanking force with Linqi to cross the river away from the enemy so she can circle around and attack them from behind.
>>33263089Rain arrows on them while they cross the river, bash the heads of whoever survives with our kettle
Rolled 55>>33263188Im not convinced on the crossings.They out number us badly, we should not be attacking carelessly.
>>33263089Can we get a map of our armies and the surrounding terrain?
>>33263154This sounds sensible.Have Gao Shun command the cavalry with Lu Linqi as sub-commander. Appoint Zhang Liao as our own subcommander and have him lead the infantry.
Rolled 92>>33263208we're not they are coming to us.
>>33263109>>33263121>>33263125>>33263131Thanks to the low-rollers who didn't make a plan, our average is a measly 46.We're fucked unless Raian ignores the zero-planning rolls.
>>33263208Given the quality of our enemy I think it's fine.
>>33263234>our average is averageshocking
Rolled 40>>33263225No, the plan i was replying to had lingqi lead a unit and swim across.
>>33263234I think he should personally, but its up to him.And technically shouldn't it have a modifier bonus?
>>33263188The first rule of river battles is that YOU DON'T CROSS RIVERS. Sending a detached force to harass a prepared army that only has to turn around to slaughter them is pantsu on head retarded.
>>33263089>>33263154This strategy is sound. Voting for this unless someone has a brighter idea.
>>33263225>>33263244While they're coming at us we should sent a flanking force. This low-quality army will panic in such a situation.
>>33263089There will be no consensus here. You should've included voting options.
>>33263244inexperienced footmen tired from the long march in the hit sun lead by a bad general who also have to cross a ford to reach us while being harassed every step of the way....even with bad rolls i like our odds
>>33263234It's still 135 so it's not horrible. So long as the strategy is sound it should be okay.>>33263154Going with this.
>>33263268That's why you ask people to come up with a plan and reach a consensus before asking them to roll. Regardless, the dice are dice, we accept their judgment where it lies.
Rolled 45>>33263154>flying wedge formationI like this.Voting for this.
>>33263327>Using an offensive cavalry charge formation for infantry in a defensive battleSounds legit.
>>33263089>>33263154As long as this counter charge at the end dosen't involve us being stupid and trying to cross the river this is fine
>>33263089>>33263154I'm fine with this plan unless someone has objections.
Rolled 12>>33263089>>33263154Sounds good, but have Song Xian and the other commander lead our infantry flanks.
>>33263346I do. A wedge formation is pants on head retarded.
>>33263345Someone's going to have to cross the river eventually to get Wang Lang.
>>33263317Yeah strategy first then roll. Fortunately almost all strategies we'll employ will use War. People just want to roll asap (and maybe try and game the system with "it was a low roll we should do this really safe option then!" but that would probably just get the army fucked even harder out of spite for meta gaming).
>>33263363I don't know what the significant of a wedge formation is, could you explain and come up with a revised plan then?
>>33263274The enemy is not skilled enough to slaughter our cavalry like you say. If they see they are being attacked from both sides they will panic. Besides, Wang Lang's army is largely infantry so they wouldn't be able to pursue our cavalry even if they wanted to.
Rolled 44>>33263367Zhang liao with a few miles down stream as wang lang inevitably tries to cross the crossing.
>>33263397Wedge Formation is for full on attack, which would mean crossing the river.
>>33263397A wedge formation increases your surface area relative to the enemy. In defensive battles you want to minimize your surface area, especially if you are outnumbered.
>>33263363Then what do you suggest? A regular line formation would imply that we're going to play defensive whereas a wedge formation will show the enemy that we're ballsy enough to try something completely unorthodox.Then there's the whole "Wang Lang's army are a bunch of greenhorns" bit.
>>33263415Maybe an inverted wedge formation?
>>33263409>>33263413What's a good alternative formation to minimize the surface area then? I would support that instead.
>>33263415Yes, a regular line formation is a better choice. He'll attack because he's a shit general and we goaded him pretty hard, and then he'll lose because we aren't retarded and fritter away our advantage.
>>33263397I. Google "Flying V"2. Turn the wedge into an inverted wedge.3. ????4. Don't die like a bitch.
>>33263415Wang Lang seems determined to attack. A regular line formation is best.
Rolled 97>>33263425ideally I thinking an inverted semi-circle around the opening of the river crossing.
>>33263441Yang Wenli, is that you?
>>33263433Surprised that no has considered the old roman dragon teeth formation
>>33263425>>33263429>>33263430>>33263433>>33263435So Line Formation or Inverted Wedge?Might wanna hammer that out now before Raian starts writing.
Rolled 52>>33263451Inverted wedge
>>33263451Wedge formation, to bait the enemy, then we fall back and use an inverted wedge formation?
>>33263451Whichever will be easiest to reform from as we have the men do an organized retreat. During the counter charge a wedge formation would probably be good. If our guys can form up that fast.
>>33263451Line. Inverted wedge is possibly worse than a wedge in this situation, since it spreads our troops super thin.
Rolled 59>>33263471actually scratch that because if it fails it diviides the unit in half
Rolled 27>>33263451How about this?Weak centre, funnel and flank them.With the troops being tired and reinforced with elites from behind like Lingqi's units, the centre should be able to hold.
>>33263451Line formation I guess
>>33263505Oooh, I like that one. It's pretty much a line formation with an inverted wedge hidden in it.Voting for this formation for the infantry.
Rolled 85>>33263451A Line formation is probably best
Line formation.We need to give Song Xian something meaningful to do with this. I like the idea of entrusting Zhang Liao to target Wang Lang when his army is on the backfoot and over extended so maybe we can entrust Song Xian with leading the counter attack?
>>33263505Actually, this works a lot better than the other plans.
Rolled 53>>33263505Lets try this.
>>33263537Changing my vote to >>33263505
>>33263505This has the problem of not recognizing the numbers involved. We have 2k cavalry, which means we only have 5k infantry. The enemy has nearly 10k infantry. Our cavalry will probably do well with harassing the flanks and weakening them, but our infantry formation is still going to be hammered hard. Weakening any portion of it for frankly minimal returns is stupid.
>>33263607Final destination between line and wedge seems to be needed here QM.
Rolled 78>>33263650We're controlling the breadth of the engagement since they're crossing the river to meet us. We can funnel their troops so that only a portion of their troops will engage us at a time and if we show weakness, the enemy commander may likely decide to throw troops at the 'hole' instead of using them for more purposeful stuff like circling and flanking.Since these are green troops, if we can slaughter enough of a unit to incite panic, the panic can travel back down the line inviting a full rout if rear units refuse to advance.
>>33263505If we turn our forces inward, won't that make our forces on our flanks more vulnerable?I am worried that this strategy might cause our forces to be split into two
>>33263650This was used by Hannibal in the battle of Cannae with about the same odds as we do, except their troops are mostly green, and they have to cross a river to get to us. It'll work.
>>33263720Our infantry is outnumbered 2:1, and the river is fordable. We can't funnel anything.
We need to send at least a small force across the river ahead of time, otherwise the river will inhibit our pursuit of the enemy.
>>33263688Final Destination might totally fuck us over. We need to come to a consensus like competent people
>>33263739If it worked for Hannibal, I support this:>>33263505
Rolled 89>>33263740Tired troops fording a river by swimming arent going to be in a state to do much fighting.Small detachments of our troops can take those out, or our cavalry can see them off.
>>33263742Too early for that.If anything we need to fortify the river against potential crossings further up and down stream. Maintain scouts to make sure they don't try to build a bridge.
>>33263747>tg>consensus >competent What 4chan are you on?
Does the weak center ploy work if we plan to fall back and use the calvary though? I understand it's good at enveloping the enemy but that assumes we stay relatively in place doesn't it?
>>33263448If only Kircheis were alive...
You arrange your formation at the river in a line, leaving the center vulnerable as a lure while the cavalry forces under Gao Shun move to the back. The battle begins with a couple thousand enemy troops peppering your forces with volley fire, while the others cross the river. The back of the line fires volleys back to the archers, while your frontal forces focus on picking off enemy troops crossing with their crossbows. The river is pretty shallow, so the enemy have only slight problems crossing as they raise their shields from your fire.When they reach the banks, a melee breaks out. Your lines hold for the most part, with better refreshed troops and tighter lines. Zhou Xin charges forward in the center, and as planned, is lured in to pushing forward.Gao Shun charges forward with the cavalry, and manages to inflict heavy casualties to the troops overextended. Zhang Liao jumps from his line and kills several enemy lieutenants. Both Song Xian and Lu Lingqi manage to hold their lines as the enemy forces retreat for the day. About 1500 of the enemy have been killed, while a third of that has been inflicted on your side. You look to the enemy. It seems they are going to make an attack again the next day, but they are hesitating and more cautious now. do you follow up the same plans or change?>Keep up the defense and hold the river line>Defend the river for a short time before pretending defeat and retreating some distance>Lead a diversionary force at the flank while defending the riverRoll 1d100, avg of 4, lowest dropped>Troops: 6700>Equipment: 1900 horses, 5 Catapults, 3 Ballista, 3 Siege Rams>Food: 1477>Morale: Medium>Fatigue: None
Rolled 74>>33263805>>Defend the river for a short time before pretending defeat and retreating some distance
Rolled 4>>33263805>>Lead a diversionary force at the flank while defending the riverSomeone tell me if this is a stupid decision or not.
Rolled 99>>33263805>>Lead a diversionary force at the flank while defending the river
>>33263805>>Defend the river for a short time before pretending defeat and retreating some distanceThey're a bunch of new conscripts who are greenhorns who barely know the sharp end of their swords. Make a fake retreat into a trap before raping the shit out of them.
Rolled 94>>33263805>Lead a diversionary force at the flank
>>33263805>>Lead a diversionary force at the flank while defending the riverThe enemy has no reason to believe we're actually retreating, Zhou Xin will see through it. Let's keep the pressure up!
>>33263805>>Keep up the defense and hold the river lineOne more day of this defense, then the troop numbers will be close enough for a feigned retreat to work well.
>>33263803I bet Bittenfeld and Lu Bu would have been best buds
Rolled 35>>33263828>>33263839>>33263841>>33263848REKT.PREPARE YOUR ANUS.So glad the weak centre ploy i suggested worked out.
>>33263848>>33263841>>33263828Hell.Fucking.Yeah.Voting for diversionary force Take Lu Linqi with us as our bodyguard. Impress her with our might.
Rolled 85>>33263848>t>>33263841>>33263839>>33263828Who needs Sun ce anyway?
Rolled 22>>33263805>Lead a diversionary force at the flank while defending the river
Rolled 49>>33263805>>Defend the river for a short time before pretending defeat and retreating some distance
>>33263805>Lead a diversionary force at the flank while defending the river
I wonder how likely it was that those bandits were focused in the center...Diversonary force at the flank seems to have good support and I don't see a problem with it. Feigning a retreat right now may only end up giving the enemy open ground on which to better use their number to their advantage.
>>33263866No. Bittenfield was an honorable warrior. Lu Bu was third-rate scum.
>>33263805Lead a diversionary force at the flanks.We need to personally commit some blood shed today.
>>33263921Fuck off right back to shu or wherever the fuck you come from.
>>33263805>Gao Shun charges forward with the cavalry, and manages to inflict heavy casualties to the troops overextended. Zhang Liao jumps from his line and kills several enemy lieutenantsBest generals being best generals
>>33263805>Lead a diversionary force at the flank while defending the riverA feinted retreat won't work at this juncture due to the cautiousness of the other side and the same tactic won't work again, despite the gains we made. It would be nice to know where the relative positions of the two armies are so we could lead an attack before the sun sets and have the sun in the enemy's eyes.
>>33263934>>33263921>>33263921To be honest, Lu Bu was scum.
>>33263805>>Lead a diversionary force at the flank while defending the river
>>33263910You might be imagining a slightly more retarded feigned retreat than I am right now. They are spooked and are going to come in cautious, they need an extra something to goad them into another bad decision.
>>33263921Wang Fu pls go
>>33263965I really wish I could find somewhere that has the entire OST of the Musou games up for download (other than Youtube).
Rolled 5>>33263994I feel both the retreat and the assault can work.The retreat probably won't work in the next few days if we continue like this.
>>33263934Do you honestly think Bittenifield would have killed his own adopted father with a sneak attack, whom he has sworn to protect as a personal bodyguard?
>Roll quad 100's on a charge. That 10% Dynasty Warriors kicks in. Wreck 1000 warriors. "I am a True Warrior of the Three Kingdoms!".
Rolled 1>>33264006Buy the games personally I suggest starting with DW5also this track is far more appropriate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I91S83ygkRQ
>>33264035DW8 is a flat better game than 5.
I hope we can capture Zhou Xin and Yu Fan and add them to our general/adviser collection after this. I wonder if we can persuade Yu Fan to serve as our personal adviser.
Rolled 73>>33264043haven't played it yet, does Xtreme legends come with the original content?
>>33264035But... we haven't been routed yet.
Rolled 80>>33264050I want all of them.Even Wang Lang will be useful as an administrator.
Rolled 44>>33264069who said we were the ones running?
>>33264066The PC version does.
>>33264043DW5 battles feel like actual battles. The whole frontlines can ebb and flow depending on your actions.In DW8, outside of scripted events and mission requirements, nothing outside of your immediate view matters.
>>33264035I have DW8 and WO 3, DW3 was the game that got me into the series, though. I couldn't say how many times I played Hu Lao Gate on that game.speaking of which; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR102LNiv74
Rolled 25>>33264092Neato, I knew I should have snapped it up during the Summer sales>>33264095The general problem I have with Dynasty warriors five is that the Soldier AI is absolute piss shit.
>>33264016Problem is we have no cohesive end strategy. Right now it is just a series of tactical exchanges with accompanying casualty ratio without any additional layer of depth.What is our exit strategy, beyond a battle of attrition ending in their route because they're demoralized? They are the bigger force and suffer more from delay, logistically speaking, but shouldn't we plan what we are trying to achieve, and not just react to circumstance without any strategic framework?
>>33264075He will, but I would be very careful around him. >While he is a decent administrator, he is a sycophant and a schemer who does what profits him. Some people disagree that he allied with Yan Baihu and the Shanyue, others think he stabilized the areaHe's nothing like Yan Jun, who's a good guy and a good administrator. We'll have to find a way to use his talents appropriately. I'm more interested in Yu Fan at this point to be honest. He stuck his neck out to get Wang Lang to surrender to us and his historical career is quite impressive.
>>33264095Was literally just playing DW5, Yiling Shu-side. I immediately ran past everyone and killed Sun Quan in a few minutes, the fire attack only just started when I reached him.
>>33264126You're right.Show of hands, how far do we pursue the enemy army? Keep in mind we have enough supplies right now for little more than two months. We should attempt to capture the supplies they've brought.
>>33264158If they break? We pursue until destruction or surrender.If they just retreat? Harrass for a week or so then go back and conquer more of the province, build up supplies and get ready for a siege.
>>33264158Let's see how this battle ends first before deciding any of that.
Rolled 26>>33264158This if we can capture their supplies it will not only feed us but leave their army bereft of Immediate supplies.beyond this battle I say we go about Dismantling their supply lines so they starve to death.
Rolled 12>>33264126Our current tactical is to destroy or rout this army.For the strategic victory, we need to capture or kill Wang Lang and maybe his generals. With him captured, we may be able to get his home city to surrender.Apparently, logistic defeat isn't likely for them since they have a larger granary, like Raian previously said so we're forced to destroy them on the field.I say our exit strategy should be a retreat under cover of darkness back to our own city with our cavalry covering our retreat.
>>33264158If he decides to retreat to his capital, we'll be in a bad situation I think. We need him to surrender or have his forces route and take him prisoner/kill him before he reaches any place defensible. Our supply line isn't secure enough to take the if we chase him all the way there.
>>33264196I wonder what % of the territory we've conquered by now.As of last thread, we had conquered 20% of Wang Lang's land before we embarked on that one week attack.
>>33264210It's not a great situation, but it gives us time to conquer Wang Lang's territory if need be.We should also remember that Yu Fan is sympathetic to our forces and he could be our insider to get the city gates open.
>>33264158We don't care about destroying their numbers, I think. Cav should only pursue as far as is convenient. Main targets should be supply train and any decent officers that can be captured safely.>>33264196I don't think we should be trying to win this in one stroke, winning the engagement is enough. Especially if we set up our next engagement with supplies, and some new officers, and an enemy with crushed morale who has just run all the way home.
>>33264158Hard to say, but we don't want them getting into a garrison or castle. We want to take them apart in the field using our superior quality of troops.Capitulation is the end goal. We don't need to murder all of their men to get it.Send a message to Zhou Xin applauding his gallantry and offering him a position in our administration if he turns sides, as he asked in our first meeting. That we have changed our opinion of him, and now recognise his valour, and we should have accepted his terms earlier. Mention we are grateful for the supplies he gifted us after our last encounter.Even if he refuses, Wang Lang may start to distrust Zhou Xin.
"The time has come for us to go on the offensive," you tell the other generals. "They are weakened now, and will only make a paltry attack to us next. I want to inflict as many casualties as possible before they retreat back to the city. Generals Zhang Liao, Song Xian, Gao Shun hold the line here. Lady Lingqi and I will lead a diversionary force with half our cavalry."The generals agree to the plans, and on early morning, you and Lingqi lead a cavalry force of about a thousand away from the main army in secret. Your army travels a couple miles away from the enemy before crossing the river, and moving towards the enemy.The generals hold the line effectively from Wang Lang's next attack. Wang Lang who was commanding the troops from near the other side of the river was nearly to have been killed when Song Xian saw him and ordered troops to fire a volley at him. Han Yan, and enemy leader, was killed in a single blow by Zhang Liao when the enemy made it to the banks. "Keep up the attack!" Wang Lang yells. "We must drive them back! Once we do, we can help Yan Baihu and drive these northerners back!""Lord Wang Lang trouble!" a soldier comes in terror, kneeling in front of Wang Lang. "There is an enemy force coming to us from our flanks!""What!? Most of our troops are crossing the river! Hurry, move them back and let our remaining forces meet the enemy!"
>>33264260We absolutely should be trying to win this in one stroke. We have the advantage in quality of officers and men, and soon we'll have the numerical advantage as well. Depending on the next engagement, we should aim for the total surrender of the enemy army.
>>33264293You and Lingqi arrive an hour long after the battle started. Zhou Xin moves to meet your forces."A damned woman in the front!? What mockery! I will make you my whore when I am done with you! Face me wom-"Before Zhou Xin finishes, Lingqi impales him through his stomach with a spear throw and he falls to the ground dead in an instant. The enemy troops lose heart at seeing their leaders fall one by one and begin to flee. Your cavalry forces tear through the enemy ranks while Zhang Liao and the remaining defenders begin to pursue from across the river as well. By the end of the day, countless enemies are killed and the remaining forces of Wang Lang have retreated numerous miles away and positioned themselves on some hills. They have about 4500 men left over. You have the advantage of the numbers now, but it seems Wang Lang no longer wishes to engage you directly. What do you now?>Press the attack and go all out on the enemy>Stay back and attack the enemy with ranged fire>Attempt to do a night raid against the enemy>Troops: 6000>Equipment: 1800 horses, 5 Catapults, 3 Ballista, 3 Siege Rams>Food: 1477>Morale: High>Fatigue: Low
Rolled 21>>33264308>>Attempt to do a night raid against the enemyNIGHTRAID
>>33264308>>Attempt to do a night raid against the enemyKeep hitting their morale
>>33264308>Press the attack and go all out on the enemyWaste no time. All their good generals are dead and we outnumber them. Wipe Wang Lang from the face of the earth.
>>33264308>>Attempt to do a night raid against the enemyThey've lost their best generals, a night raid has a higher chance of working now. All out attack against some hills isn't my #1 choice.
Rolled 85>>33264308>>Press the attack and go all out on the enemyWe can't let them get home.
>>33264308>>Press the attack and go all out on the enemyWe have the advantage and the forward momentum. This is now a rout and we need to capitalize the hell outta this.
Rolled 77>>33264308>>Attempt to do a night raid against the enemyno damaging the Supplies though
>>33264308The enemy have no stomach. Let's shoot arrows into the camp containing letters offering pardon to anyone who surrenders in our camp.
>>33264351Over excited, route the bastards with an all out attack.
Rolled 29>>33264350Ooo. This is a good one."Capture and present to me Wang Lang and surrender. And ALL of you may go home."
Rolled 73>>33264308>Press the attack and go all out on the enemyWe've sprung the trap, we need to follow through or lose tempo for nothing.
>>33264308Have Fan Neng negotiate for the surrender of Wang Lang and his remaining forces. A position in our administration is surely more worthwhile than a certain death.
Guys, remember that a pursuit kills them. A night raid hurts their morale and makes a surrender more likely.
>>33264372Fuck Wang Lang.He's a bitch who is going to fill a ditch.
Rolled 11Pity about Zhou Xin
>>33264308>Night raidThey have a huge terrain advantage, rendering all other options useless, even if it is a rout. Besides, Zhou Xin would have had the sense to set up traps beforehand.Before the night raid, do this >>33264350
>>33264404 If he's an able administrator, do we not want him to help run our cities? We certainly aren't cut out for administrative work.
>>33264350I agree with this plan.Better to shoot ranged weapons and offer surrender to divide their forces or at least lower morale some more.I think you're all getting a little TOO excited here, even if we have numbers, they still have the higher grounds. Sure we may probably win, but it could cost us more than you think. I say whither down their numbers first, offering surrender to possibly increase our numbers while lowering theirs. Even if they don't come right away, it'll cause conflicts within their ranks which will make them easier prey.
>>33264427He may be able, but he's going to be stubborn and bitter about losing to a bunch of upstart northerners.Better off killing him and saving ourselves a headache down the road.
>>33264308>>Attempt to do a night raid against the enemy>Besides, Zhou Xin would have had the sense to set up traps beforehand.Lingqi OHKOed him
>>33264427He's a duplicitous individual that will likely be corrupt and likely to betray us in the future. I don't think he's worth the risk honestly.
>>33264400A pursuit will widen the gap between us and them. We can demand surrender at any time, or hit them the night after that (when they will be even longer without rest).
>>33264308>>Attempt to do a night raidWith Zhou Xin dead we're not likely to face an ambush. It'll also demoralize them and more likely to surrender
>>33264308Ohhh I like this>>33264350Followed by>Attempt to do a night raid against the enemy
>>33264427An untrustworthy administrator is a snake you've invited into your bed. It can only end one way.
A successful night attack is going to further increase the difference in our forces morale, not decrease it. Remember that we want these soldiers in our army after the war is over, victory with minimal casualties is best.
>>33264350This followed by a night raid sounds good.
>>33264439>>33264448>>33264476Well, I just hope we can get Yu Fan then. Would hate to end the conquest with only Fan Neng as our new recruit. Looks like Sima Zhao's going to have to find a new waifu then
>>33264530Yu Fan sounds like a good person to recruit yes.
>>33264530It's for the best. She was dead center of the uncanny valley in dw7 and 8.
>>33264530>>33264577Give her to Gao Shun for his exceptional service.
>>33264406Eh, he was an a-hole.
>>33264631Got what he deserved for talking shit about our waifu
>>33264329>Wipe Wang Lang from the face of the earth.I think would get along better with some people in this thread than with others. So be it.
>>33264629I don't think she's even been born yet. She'd be his granddaughter.
>>33264629That might be tricky. Her father isn't born until 195. It's 192-193 right now.
>>33264629Historically, her father won't be born for another three years. If we kill Wang Lang now she will never exist.
You demand the surrender of the enemy, however, they refuse. Though their forces have been weakened and yours the bigger now, they do not the see a large enough discrepancy to quit. You fire your ranged weapons against their positions, killing only several due to most of them hiding and taking cover. At night, you lead a raiding force to the enemy camp. By the time you arrive however, most of the enemy have begun retreating. It seems they have planned to flee to the city using the night as their cover, and it would have likely been better for you to commence an attack rather than employing harassing tactics. You and your men kill what enemy soldiers you can, killing some hundreds. You now hold the option to pursue the fleeing enemy and following up with the siege, or retreating back and recuperating your forces and supplies. The pursuit will be long and tiresome, but retreating now to recuperate will also give Wang Lang time to recover. What do you do?>Pursue and attempt to take the city>Retreat and gather more forces/supplies>Troops: 5900>Equipment: 1800 horses, 5 Catapults, 3 Ballista, 3 Siege Rams>Food: 1477>Morale: High>Fatigue: Low
I really want to say we should just all-out charge them and wipe them from the face of the Earth, but the last time we did that we got fucked real hard
>>33264664FUUUUCK. You lot had one goddamn job!>Pursue and attempt to take the city.
>>33264664>>Retreat and gather more forces/suppliesWe don't have the supplies to continue the assault unfortunately.
>>33264664>>Retreat and gather more forces/supplies
>>33264664Just for reference, 1477 food is 2.5 months of food.
>>33264682DAMNIT I KNEW IT!FUCK HILLS!
>>33264664>>Retreat and gather more forces/suppliesWe have shown our skill we will take the lands and gather troops for the city.
>>33264664It wasn't a public demand to surrender, it was a secret ploy. Oh well.>>Pursue.We have two months of supplies, our morale is high and the enemy's is low. We can do this!
>>33264664>You demand the surrender of the enemy, however, they refuse. Though their forces have been weakened and yours the bigger now, they do not the see a large enough discrepancy to quit. You fire your ranged weapons against their positions, killing only several due to most of them hiding and taking cover.I fucking thought so.> retreat for nowWe misjudged, but we can use this time to conquer the surrounding territory.If all Wang Lang has is a castle, who cares?
>>33264629Wouldn't a wife distract him from his duties?
>>33264718I don't think you understand how little ancient Chinese men valued their families.
>>33264718Does Gao Shun sound like the type of guy who would let anything distract him from his duty?
>>33264664>>33264700It's cause half of /tg/ doesn't know that a demoralized enemy will flee under the cover of darkness. That's why night raids are effective at the start and middle of battles and downright useless near the final stages.They were clearly in a rout and yet all of the chuckleheads wanted to raid their shit at night.Bah.>Consolidate forces, create checkpoints and picket lines and settle in for a long siege; also send a messenger for reinforcements and supplies.
>>33264664Oh dammit we were too cautiousRetreat for now, by the time we get there in a pursuit, they'd be too tired to be very effective.
On the one hand it'll be a long and tiresome pursuit. On the other they came into this with heavier exhaustion, and are now a numerically inferior force. We have a chance to catch them if we pursue but if we don't we'd be fucked.
>>33264712You would have us go back on our word that we would deliver Wang Lang's head to our lord?>>33264664>PURSUE AND BESIEGE!
Rolled 46>>33264664>Retreat and gather more forces/supplies
>>33264751>It's cause half of /tg/ doesn't know that a demoralized enemy will flee under the cover of darkness. That's why night raids are effective at the start and middle of battles and downright useless near the final stages.This would have been infinitely more useful to post before the vote closed so people could change their minds.
>>33264664Keep in mind that with the enemy forces depleted, we can afford to send a detachment to capture territory along our supply line.
>>33264751Oh please. You were probably one of the guys who voted yes to following Lu Bu's idea to assault the hills due to low morale of the enemies. We've been conditioned to stay away from these things by the QM fucking us in the past.
>>33264664>>Retreat and gather more forces/suppliesLet's capture most of Wang Lang's territories. Limit his reinforcement sources and consolidate our gains.
>>33264664>>Pursue and attempt to take the city
>>33264786Yep, armchair general with 20/20 hindsight personified.
>>33264664>>Retreat and gather more forces/suppliesIts a months journey to the city.We need more supplies than that.
>>33264786It'd help more if more people would actually read Sun Tzu's Art of War and the Thirty-Six Strategems. Both are not considered meta-game since most, if not all, generals of the Later Han and Three Kingdoms era had read both at one point or another.
>>33264664Hold on now. We've got a lot of cavalry, while they are mostly infantry. We could catch them with Gao Shun the Ambusher.I change my vote to pursue:>>33264712
>>33264830Or you could just post what you said earlier, which could have actual impact on the decision making process. Like how the guys who argued against the wedge formation made their arguments before the vote closed and made people change their minds.
>>33264664>>Retreat and gather more forces and suppliesWe should capture more territory and cut off Wang Langs supplies
>>33264863That would require something other than 20/20 hindsight, anon. Armchair generals aren't good at that.
>>33264830That depends on the objectives we set ourselves.We were hoping to save as many troops as possoble so as to reinforce our own.In this case, it was missing the forest for the trees.
>>33264664>>33264786We told you goofs to attack all out immediately, but you didn't listen.
>>33264862We should ask Gao Shun for his input on this.
>>33264815Dude, they're just infantry. We have a bunch of cavalry. We even have archers. I propose we send a bunch of horse archers after them to whittle down their forces somewhat. Better yet, we can pincer the enemy by moving our cavalry ahead of them. Hell, we can even have the cavalry set up some falling rocks if any valleys are in our enemy's path.
>>33264907>send a bunch of horse archersall 0 that we have in our forces?
>>33264862Our cavalry is about half of theirs.We could detach that wing and send them in pursuit while the rest of the army retreats
>>33264907This, we should at least pursue for a bit.
>>33264813>>33264874Deflect harder. You made a bad decision and ignored the good advice of others, admit it gracefully.
>>33264928>Made the correct decision for the wrong reasons>thinks that is gooduh huh.
>>33264942>wrong reasonsWhere are you getting this from, exactly? It was clear to me and probably a few others, too.
>>33264898And yet not one person talked about how a demoralized enemy will flee under the cover of darkness and why a night attack is useless. The arguments were>This is now a rout and we need to capitalize the hell outta this>we need to follow through or lose tempo for nothing>Waste no time. All their good generals are dead and we outnumber themMy point is that anon would have served his position by pointing those specific points, which were highly persuasive, while the voting was going on. Those individual votes talk about momentum and tempo, but don't talk about the possibility of enemy retreat and the ineffectiveness of night attacks.
>>33264664>PursueWe need to run down Wang Lang now. If this gets any more protracted, it'd cause more problems down the road, especially if the enemy manages to get a messenger to the Shanyue barbarians to help them.Gotta get Wang's head on a pike. All cavalry with Gao Shun at the forefront screaming: "WANG LANG, I WANT WANG LANG'S HEAD. THOSE WHO GIVE ME HIS HEAD SHALL BE SPARED LU BU'S WRATH."That's right. We make Gao Shun pretend to be Lu Bu.
>>33264957Precisely no one predicted their retreat. You just wanted to attack because their morale was low.
>>33264914Well, we have archers, right? And horses are used to get people places quickly. So we use horses to get archers to the enemy quickly, and use those horses to with draw the archers quickly. Thus, horse archers.
Rolled 59>>33264928>ignored the good advice of othersWhich you failed to actually give since not one person here bought up the Idea that the enemy would flee under the cover of darkness.
>>33264977Those are dragoons, and no, they're terrible at pursuit.
>>33264907It serves us no great purpose and depletes our elite troops.We need to kill the enemy in order to get them to surrender.The chances of our cavalry catching up with the leadership is low, which is the objective we need to look at to end the campaign.So what they can do is kill their troops. Green troops who can be replaced quickly. While we risk our elites and our horses.No it is best that we fall back.
You decide that retreating is the best plan for now, instead of taking the risk of a lengthy pursuit."We will regather troops, govern the people, and gather the supplies at Fall while slowly taking territory after territory. Wang Lang will no longer be able to move out of his city, and we will bleed him dry. Lord Lu Bu should be defeating Yan Baihu as well by this time."With that, you and your forces retreat. For the rest of the summer, you and your men focus on gathering more men and governing the lands. Reinforcements and supplies come Hui Ji. Most of Wang Lang's territories are taken, and only his city remains. You are informed that Wang Lang still has a year's supply within the city despite being cut off from his commanderies and farmlands outside. You can simply wait it out until the next year... Or you can commit a siege this Fall and take the city sooner.In any case, Fall comes and your army manages to gather plentiful supplies with the territory has been taken. You hold a celebratory feast for the harvest outside the town and your men enjoy the day. You have a day to enjoy, what do you do?>Go see how [insert officer] is doing>Enjoy the time with the soldiers and get to know them>Share some food with the peasants, and get to know them
>>33264997>>Go see how [insert officer] is doingLingqi If we're serious about this waifu business, we need to get this done sooner rather than later.
>>33264997>>Go see how Linqi is doing
>>33264997Go see Song Xian like we said we would.
Rolled 16>>33264997>Enjoy the time with the soldiers and get to know them>Go see how [Song Xian] is doingwe owe the Man a drink
>>33264987So it'll be good if our elite troops can pick off their leader, right?
>>33264997Welp...hmm as much as enjoying some time with the soldiers or peasants sounds good lets go visit Song Xian to keep our promise.
>>33264997>>Share some food with the peasants, and get to know themWhile I appreciate the waifu sentiment, I feel like having popular support is most important.
>>33264997>Go see how [insert officer] is doingSong Xian, we have a promise to keep.
>>33264997>Share some food with the peasants, and get to know themwhat a sweetheart
>>33264997>Go see how Song Xian is doing
>>33264997>>Go see how [insert officer] is doingLingqiGonna have to take the waifu business seriously.
>>33264997>>Share some food with the peasants, and get to know themThis will be our domain.Be generous
>>33264997>Go see how Song Xian is doingWe kind of blew him off earlier.
Wang Lang isn't defeated. Our promise isn't relevant yet.
>>33264997>Go see how Song Xian is doingWe promised him that we would spend time with him after rejecting him earlier. It is only polite that we pay him a visit
>>33264997>>Go see how [insert officer] is doingGao Shun knowing I'll not win.
>>33264997I wanna choose lingqi nut>>Go see how Song Xian is doingWe can't go back on a promise
>>33265022We aid we'd do that when we had Wang Lang's head. You'd have us go back on our word?
>>33264997>Go see how [Lingqi] is doing
>>33265018>>33265022>>33265034>>33265038>>33265039>>33265050I'm pretty sure we told him to save it for the victory feast, after we take Wang Lang's head and not before.
>>33264997>Share some food with the peasants, and get to know them
>>33264958>>33264967No one predicted the retreat because firstly it wasn't 100% certain, and secondly that prediction isn't material in the decision to press the attack.All of the possible outcomes of waiting were inferior to capitalization of conditions, and you wanted us to list them all?Do any of you know what a route is, loss of tempo, or what a route + bad morale usually means? You honestly think them trying to disengage was a surprise? Or that it made a difference that they retreated under cover of darkness or just ran?Call me angry if you like, I am disappointed in the bad generalship and worse character needed to say "ah but you didn't explain exactly in what way it would be the worst plan".
>>33264997>"I have much work to do, but I must refuse General," you reply with a shake of your head. "We can drink after we have taken Hui Ji and Wang Lang's head. But for now, I must tend to my duties.Anons, please.>Go see how [Lingqi] is doing
>>33265070It's just the anti-waifu crowd trying to leave us forever alone.
>>33265070Good point.Changing my (>>33265050) vote to seeing Gao Shun.
>>33264997>>Go see how lingqi is doing
>>33264997>>Go see how [Lingqi] is doing
>>33264997>>Go see how Lingqi is doing
>>33265070We blew him off earlier cause we had important shit to do. We aren't busy now so it feels appropriate to pay the man a visit
>>33264997>>33265033Changing my vote to Lingqi because my option won't win and anons can't remember their own promises.
Rolled 8>>33265066>>33265070Fair point lets Feed the Peasants then Is it possible to be the Liu bei of our little Brotherhood?
>>33264997>Go see how [insert officer] is doingLingqi
>>33265116Fuck off shufag>>33264997>>Go see how [insert officer] is doingLingqi
>>33265100If you can't keep your own promises, no matter how advantageous or otherwise it is to others, then your words further down will be not regarded as highly.If we go see our dear drunkard friend, then that'll cause some people to think that we're a flighty general who can't hold an oath proper.
>>33265116>Is it possible to be the Liu bei of our little Brotherhood? No, because Liu Bei a shit
>>33265070Oh yeah>>33264997>>33265038Changing to >Share some food with the peasants
>>33265087No, it's the "Waifu doesn't dominate our every waking moment" crowd that knows that it'll tank the campaign if we only talk to Lingqi every opportunity it comes up.
>>33264997>>Go see how [insert officer] is doingLingqi
>>33264997Go see Song Xian and give food to the peasants.I want to see Lingqi as well, but all this samefagging is really making me want to vote against it.
>>33264997>>Go see how Lingqi iis doing
>>33265129I think you might be taking it a bit serious m8. Its not like we promised to avenge his death or some shit, the dude just wanted to hangout and have a drink
Rolled 75>>33264997>>Go see how [insert officer] is doingSong XianIf we're taking time off, lets take time off with the one we promised time with
Rolled 67>>33265132>>33265127>Not wanting a Warriors three between Zhang liao, Lu bu & Ourselves>Not wanting to be the faction leaderit's like you don't even ambition, besides I'd say we're the only one who's even remotely likely to win over Zhuge liang.
>>33264997>You can simply wait it out until the next year... Or you can commit a siege this Fall and take the city sooner.So what are we going to choose?Obviously, everyone's going to pick siege.
>>33265156Same here. Lingqi is cool, but there's more to do than try and constantly impress her.See Song Xian
>>33265080Yes, you were right. I honestly figured that if they were going to retreat at night, they wouldn't have stopped on the hills in the first place.However, I only see assertions made in favor of a direct assault. They were correct, but they didn't provide any reasons. Where were the arguments?
>>33265156And here I thought it was just me noticing it. I just wish the samefag weren't also the dumbest person in the thread.
>>33264997>Go see how Lingqi is doing
>>33265138Well, OP said we should take a waifu to further our line. It's all part of the game even if it isn't.
Rolled 44>>33264997>>Go see how Song Xian is doing
To bring up something, we are getting to the age where we should think about getting married and have kids. Speaking of growing up do we have a style name yet?
>>33265170>>Not wanting to be the faction leaderBut Lu Bu is already the faction leader.
Hey guys, how do all our generals get along with each other?It would be super convenient and advantageous if we could spend time with multiple officers at once
>>33265170Zhuge Liang was a huge dick to my main man, Wei Yan. A Cao Zhen is a match for a Zhuge Liang anyway,
We need to acquire a strategy council.Pang Tong, Zhang He, Jia Xu, Lu Su, Lu Xun, Xu Shu, and Guo Jia.We then become unstoppable.
>>33265187Sure but we also need to get to know all of our generals. Lingqi can be courted after we have some wins under our belt. >>33265217That's true. We should hold a small (keyword small) celebration, invite the generals and commend them on their hard work. Give them all thanks individually.
Rolled 93>>33265209Baomu 保姆Babysitter
>>33265217I bet Zhang Liao and Gao Shun get along well with each other, their personalities seem to match well.Song Xian seems like a drunk, take-it-easy kind of guy, which Zhang Liao and Gao Shun probably disapprove of. >Pang Tong, Zhang He, Jia Xu, Lu Su, Lu Xun, Xu Shu, and Guo Jia.Remind that Jia Xu was the one who drove us out of the capital. I still want him though, best strategist
>>33264997>>Share some food with the peasants, and get to know themFor they will be the soldiers of tomorrow.
>>33264997>>Go see how Song Xian is doingWe owe the man a drink, he deserves it after how well he did recently.
Rolled 76>>33265216>>33265220Wei yan was a traitorous faggot, from shu admittedly but still a Traitorous faggot
>>33265217This would actually be cool a party with all our generals. We could party with Song Xian and kick it with Lingqi too.
>>33265220I fucking love Wei Yan
>>33264997>>Go see how Lingqi is doingWe owe Song Xian a drink after the siege is over and Wang Lang is dead.
>>33265224But we're not that cool of a person to have all of them willingly help us. Besides, don't we hate Jia Xu a little bit?
>>33265209Xing is pretty much translated as "interest", though I'm inclined to use "Xingyun" (lucky) as the style name since we've had a few too many close brushes with death.>>33265224Uh... they'd all be too busy arguing and debating before they could formulate a proper strategy.
>>33265258So long as we keep it modest and use it to honor the hard work of our generals I think our more stoic bros will be alright with it. Don't make it a victory party, just a "Thanks for the hard work so far" kind of thing.
>>33265258I'm down with that. Kill multiple birds with one stone
>>33265252Wei Yan did nothing wrong! It was just Zhuge Liang being an egoistical maniac as usual
>>33265177If Raian lets the samefagging slide and chooses Lingqi I will be very disappointed in him.
>>33265271Yeah, we also got promoted from footsoldier to general in like 6 months.
>>33265291>implying lingqi is the only one getting samefagged
Rolled 19>>33265280Then instead of a drink, it should be a good meal. To celebrate the harvest.
>>33265280We should bring out the kettle for this
>>33265284We could also invite them to offer their thoughts on the campaign so far and get a feel for how they're all getting along and getting on with the small folk.
Rolled 43>>33265297mfw i still want to know what happened to ol'-one-eyed-dude-who-saved-our-ass
Rolled 19>>33265285wei yan was Egotistical faggot who couldn't bear Zhuge liang having any other successors.
>>33265318He's dead, Jim.
>>33265304That sounds good too me. >>33265307Yes. Maybe we can even cater a small feast on our own coin? Gold is precious considering we haven't done any personal looting but maybe it'd be worth it?
>>33265176Depends on what you mean by arguments. I don't think anyone came out with a detailed case study, but simply stated the principle.There was no reason for us not to attack. We had numbers, morale, position, less fatigue, everything. Terrain and supply could only worsen for us both in micro and macro, and whether their response was to attack, retreat, or defend our best response was to press the attack before they can regroup. The main argument against attacking seemed to be "it is more demoralizing if we perform a night raid" which is really silly. More demoralizing than being run down and decimated?I think it's really dishonest pretend that the only valid way to claim to have a justified strategy is to 100% predict the outcome, rather than to lay out the best course based on basic principles.
>>33265301No, just the hardest and the most tasteless and obvious.
>>33265307The kettle isn't that great. Show them the Wind Bow, our most trusty possession which awarded us our Shining Helmet. It shines 'cause we polish it so often.
>>33265332The unspoken reason favoring the night raid was they had the defensive high ground and anytime we've tried a battle with the terrain not in our favor our losses were unacceptable.
>>33265332Not stating any of those principles aside from 'their morale is low' is more dishonest, armchair general-fag.
>>33265324I hope not. I'd have liked to have known his name at least. Was he also the dude we beat up when we first arrived at Lu Bu's camp? That's the feeling I got at the time.
>>33265361>Wind BowThe what? Don't you mean the Window Boy?
>>33265379No, that was a veteran warrior in his prime, I believe.I doubt Lu Bu would have been impressed by us beating up an old man.
>>33265332Here's my idea of an argument:>>It's cause half of /tg/ doesn't know that a demoralized enemy will flee under the cover of darkness. That's why night raids are effective at the start and middle of battles and downright useless near the final stages.The tone clearly indicates that this should have been known beforehand. Yet nobody said so.>>33265362>>anytime we've tried a battle with the terrain not in our favor our losses were unacceptable.Not true, during the battle against Zhou Xin a direct assault was fine.
Rolled 67>>33265379Probably not.That was a younger dude.
>>33265363A few if the principles have already been greentexted, I thought by you. Maybe I was wrong, but in any case you should go back and check it out.>>33265362I'm new to the thread, so I didn't know I'd have to specifically counter this unspoken fear.
>>33265407Also expect us to do the exact opposite of whatever lu bu suggests.
>>33265388Window BoyxHelmet Girl OTP
>>33265407Our first battle as a general ended with us following Lu Bu's lead and charging a hill.We had 6000.They had 12000.It did not end well. Prudent voices said that maybe this was a bad idea, but too many people got swept up by the thrill of a quick victory and rushed the hill. So hills are a sore spot for the thread now.
>>33265399We had a better than 2:1 ratio against zhou xin
>>33265432Don't forget to add that this was after a battle where the enemy lost 8000 men to our 4000, and Lu Bu advocated assault because their morale would be low and they'd break.
>>33265432Our first major accomplishment was on a hill as well. Basically the recurring theme is "Having the high ground is a good thing" and "attacking the high ground is going to be bloody and probably not worth it".>>33265435We also softened him up with a ploy or two I believe.
>>33265435We had a numerical advantage here, and had just scored a crushing victory against the same army.
>>33265468We've scored crushing victories against armies before and not had it matter.
>>33265407>>33265432Basically we become very cautious whenever we are assaulting an enemy with superior defensive positioning. It worked out well in our battle against Zhou Xin since our bombardment reduced overall casualties, but it did not serve us well in this particular instance.This thread will naturally gravitate towards cautious options in those circumstances. So yeah, those fears need to be countered for a direct assault option to prevail in the vote.
Rolled 44You know guys, we have time.Instead of a siege we should infiltrating sappers and spies to fuck with their morale and to prep their provisions to burn.
>>33265480That is a siege,anon.And sappers aren't infiltrated, they dig.
>>33265480Why not both? And get Yu Fan to surrender the city as well for a high ranking position in the Lu Bu administration. Wang Lang has no way of winning now, unless Lu Bu gets fucked by the Bandit King...Chen Gong better be working his magic right now.
>>33265474If we became a general that specialized in strong defense and weakening enemy positions as we grew that'd probably complement Lu Bu's BLOOD MAIM KILL style of leadership well as time presses on.
>>33265399Well it's not my tone as I didn't say it, so I don't feel awfully responsible for defending it. It's generally true, but that doesn't matter in this scenario. Not attacking was giving up real and perishable advantages for intangibles of indeterminate worth that could not be depended on. There was no contraindication for attacking.These are summed up in words and phrases like "capitalize", "tempo", "waste no time", and "we outnumber them".>>33265421That I can get behind, lol.
>>33265504Lu Bu has been shown to have no leadership. He's great at the head of a charge, but listening to his actual plans is apparently a horrible, horrible idea.
>>33265480Or we could use siege towers and teams with grappling hooks to open up the gates.
>>33265504The problem is that we are being expected to lead our own armies and cities from now on.That's what Lu Bu basically said to us when he was drunk. That he would get us our own cities and our own independent command. We will still need to fairly versatile.
Rolled 93>>33265520Or elephants
What's done is done, what's won is won, what's lost is lost and gone forever.Move on.
>>33265516Words which were used before to advocate plans that failed horribly.
>>33265489If you infiltrate sappers into the city, they can dig from both sides.
>>33265519I wish this was Ravages of Time!Lu Bu.
Rolled 1>>33265539More important is the burning of their provisions.Or sneaking in rats.
Doing a soft siege and pressing Wang Lang to surrender is probably our best bet. Though that will probably take a long time, but once all of his lands are gone and he has no more allies to call upon we can probably convince him to hand over the city peacefully as long as we guarantee his safety.
>>33265534No, I asked if we could get any elephants and was told that they were on the other side of China.
>>33265554His lands are gone. All he has left is the city.
>>33265537We didn't even lose that much. Wang Lang has been reduced to being a sniveling rat trapped in a city. >>33265541At least Gao Shun is living up to his Ravages of Time counterpart. Zhang Liao is badass in every iteration of him except that 2010 series.
>>33265541That'd be straight up easy mode with Ravages Chen Gong.
>>33265547The will of heaven says, "Fuck yo' rats!"
>>33265541Welcome to Almost!True History route, where a lot of the shit that's supposed to happens doesn't quite exactly happen but the Player Character still gets ass-reamed because of stupid shit happening.>>33265554>>33265566>>33265569Remember that line earlier in this thread where Wang Lang boasted about his good relationship with the Shanyue? I have a feeling that those barbarians might come calling soon.
>>33264997>Share some food with the peasants, and get to know themWe are in constant need of support from the populace so I would start from here.>Enjoy the time with the soldiers and get to know themThe soldier's morale is alreay high because of our successful operations, this can wait.However, I guess we can also appease the "Linqi waifu crowd" by quickly complimenting her on the killing of Zhou Xin, saying that choosing her for the diversionary cavalry attack was the right thing to do.It doesn't have to be a particularly intimate moment and Linqi isn't a woman obsessed with formalities, so I suppose we can do this quickly.
Rolled 86>>33265581>ShanyueAren't they getting cut up by Lu Bu?
>>33265581Lu Bu is engaging the Shanyue right now though. Chen Gong and Taishi Ci are with him so I doubt he'll be defeated.In fact, if he was losing, we would received word from Chen Gong or Yan Jun to send reinforcements or brace for an attack.
>>33265538Right, because they didn't apply in that situation. Words aren't just keywords with a certain point value, you have to actually understand them and apply them to the situation at hand.Like we should stop listening to a particular argument because it was used wrongly before. I guess since we now cannot press the attack no matter the advantage because tempo is discredited, and we cannot use harassment tactics because that principle is discredited, and we cannot be cautious of defensive terrain because that argument is discredited, we might as well just retire from leading armies.
>>33265554Nah, we shouldn't be pressing Wang Lang to surrender, we should be pressing his troops to surrender Wang Lang.
>>33265608Pressure Wang Lang to surrender first. If he's truly a sycophantic scumbag, he will do a lot to save his own skin.If he doesn't listen to reason, appeal to Yu Fan and the troops.
>>33265607Sounds like you should get better at explanations then, armchair general-fag.
>>33265547Digging from both sides halves time to fruition and doubles the effectiveness of sappers. Infiltrating sappers does not mean we can infiltrate less saboteurs.
>>33265608>>33265621Worst comes to worst, we just load up the catapults with corpses and lob 'em over the ramparts.But that's a last resort since that'll degrade public opinion like a fat man eating candy.
>>33265621Wang Lang already had the chance to surrender, though.
>>33265626Either that or samefag harder.
>>33265646If it gets him to surrender quickly, then what's the harm? Wang Lang's powerless without his lands, his troops, and his generals. I'd rather not sacrifice our men if we can quickly captured the city because of his cowardice.
Alright, I'm going to have to cut this short and continue next Monday at 7:00. Without blogging too much, my roommate and his girlfriend just got in to a fight and I have to deal with drama in this house and things breaking everywhere.Jesus Christ.
>>33265646>>33265655Wang Lang not surrendering makes me think he's either being retared, or has a plan>>33265660fug
>>33265660Aw. Luckily I just dl'ed rottk11.God damn life getting in the way of my fun.
>>33265660That sounds pretty shitty, sorry man
Rolled 45>>33265663Or just plain greedy.
>>33265660Until next time.
>>33265660Dude. Get a damn Twitter. This whole "one-a-week" routine is not cool. You started off doing this twice a week, I'd at least like to know why you've had to dial it to once a week.
>>33265660Thanks for running.>now to wait a week, just a whole week it'll be fine...
>>33265626I'm curious. Why do you think they should get better at explaining?
Rolled 12>>33265685One a week is fine.Its was the "This must be what dong zhou felt like at the end" feeling yesterday when raian messed up the dates and no info anywhere
>>33265685Once-a-week is fine.Twitter would be nice, but he doesn't owe us an explanation for cutting it to once a week.
>>33265693Because he'll continue to be mocked if he pulls the 'BUT I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN ALL ALONG" after the fact.
>>33265667>There will never, ever be an actual online RotTK game to play with anons in a chill as fuck environment
>>33265693So we can be persuaded not to fall for an enemy ploy. Most of us aren't military geniuses.
Rolled 88>>33265720Do you really want to play in a game where lu bu runs pasts you wearing CASH SHOP MLP UNDERWEAR jumping like a baboon and going YOLO
>>33265660A twitter would be nice. You could reschedule things if things get busy without us getting into a huge panic
>>33265737I mean the actual strategy game series, not just an MMORPG about the time period. They already made that way back in 2008, even earlier if you count DWO.
>>33265693Not him, but:(1) So I can switch votes and we can enjoy a better outcome(2) So we can be spared unproductive retroactive posts about how everyone else is an idiot.
>>33265660>Swoop in and take the apartment for yourself while you roommate and his girlfriend are at each other's throats.
>>33265721But the tone of the criticism is that he should do it for his own sake, and not ours.
>>33265757Why does the original comment matter? It's a fact that timely, well-explained posts about strategy can only benefit us and the thread.
Rolled 67>>33265685Once a week is fine but Goddamit a twitter is a must.
>>33265715Knowing the future isn't the same as knowing the difference between a good idea and a less good idea. I don't get why you felt the need to mock him.
>>33265783Because he's arguing from hindsight and insulting everyone who doesn't agree with him. That deserves more mockery than I can heap on it.
>>33265693Because this is 4chan, where everyone throws around buzzwords in place of actual arguments for shit like this. Buzzwords tend to be ignored when a strategy seems to be against our main objectives when it really isn't.
>>33265768The original comment is what started the conversation.I am getting a kick out of using the insult "armchair general" in this thread, though. It's an empty insult.
Archived the thread.
>>33265737I'd kek heartily to see such autism
>>33265796I'm pretty sure I haven't insulted anyone. >>33265805Aren't YOU a five-star general? Please accept that this is friendly sarcasm, a joke.
>>33265805Not really. Armchair generals only work with 20/20 hindsight and fail horribly when faced with decisions they don't have perfect knowledge about. There's little to recommend them.
>>33265823Sigh. Let's not start an argument about a slang phrase with several different meanings, shall we?I'm pretty sure you are the only one throwing insults, anyway.
Rolled 1>Han Ye deadAnother minor Wu general killed. A waste but this is war.Hopefully none of the lieutenants killed was He Qi.That general, we should recruit.
Let's just ask Zhang Liao for his opinion on taking the castle.
>>33266714This.Hold a war council
>>33266714We'll definitely hold a war council on how to proceed.
How long before we start seeing more Original Generations characters?
>>33266595He Qi has been #1 on my "To Recruit" list for this campaign for a while now.