There's mention of things like gothabilly, voodoo blues, and steelmill industrial in a western themed club in one of the 4e campaigns. Not sure if there's any mentions of those elsewhere but I like the names.

>>33023335
I remember Elf Rap from somewhere but I dunno.

>>>33023532
pixies are 1/4 the size of elves (45cm vs 1,9m)

9mm is almost 1/10th of 88mm (hurr durr maths)

9mm is more like anti material rifle sized. Also, with their average strength of 2 they're fine.

>>33023335
Shadowbeat and Attitude are the only books that even graze music from what I remember. They both kinda suck for music, too, so I prefer to mess around with local music scenes without touching either one-- It just doesn't seem like anyone on either dev team knew fuck all about music, to be honest. And slapping a metatype on an existing genre is like half of what they'd done with it, which is lazy as hell.

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>>33023621
I mean, elves are people too but on a cultural level people seem obsessed with making elves these delicate, sensitive, spiritual people. Which makes me hope that elf rap is a bunch of inner city elf kids sick of that stereotyping bullshit and writing songs about how they killed fuckers when they ran with the Halloweeners and shit.

>>33023645
That's still like firing a Browning M2 from the hip. It's gonna knock your ass over, good luck hitting anything after the first round.

>>33023647
I think some people think the metatypes are sorta..... not what they're supposed to be.

We found out this girl we invited to play with us was an Actual Nazi (tm) through SR. Shit was wild.

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>>33023647
>And slapping a metatype on an existing genre is like half of what they'd done with it, which is lazy as hell

Also kind of racist. Though I want to hear acoustic troll filking

>>33023685
muh 6rc says otherwise

>>33023677
>I mean, elves are people too but on a cultural level people seem obsessed with making elves these delicate, sensitive, spiritual people.

Or arrogant racists who think they're better than you in every way just because they have pointy ears and a longer natural life expectancy.

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>>33023707
Tell us the story, anon. And also explain your first sentence since it was vague and can be read a few ways.

>>33023727
Well that's accurate and cultivated by media backed by assholes over in the Tirs, who are dicks.

>>33023685
also

>>33023711

>>33023707
What, was she an 80 year old German woman?

>>33023677
One of my characters had a girlfriend (dependent and surprisingly useful contact) who was an elf rapper. The GM based her off Nicki Minaj.

>>33023780
Also

>>33023758
>>33023791

>>33023748
Don't forget the ever-lovely Zulu Nation down Azania way.

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>>33023812
That's not even remotely close to being similar to the fuck horribleness that are the kender and dragonlance in general.

And they're nowhere near as bad as characters from the cas, or riggers.

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>>33023685
And that's why I want a tripod. Imagine one of these dudes, but decked out in WWI gear.

>>33023861
>Characters from CAS
Highly dependent on the player. I've played a few and played with more, and they don't always go "hurr durr the souf dun rosed again".
>Riggers
Why you gotta talk shit about riggers?

>>33023861
Hey! Sounder's a rigger, and he's pretty cool.

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>>33023926
*sniff* a..bad..rigger..lover..was making...*sniff*..fun..of my pixies...waaaaah

>>33023982
ahhh god I'm still laughing shit

>>33023729
Lemme write it up real quick

>>33023926
Clockwork and Rigger X are both riggers. One is a shithead, stupid-darwinist, team-killing, asshole, the other one is an utterly amoral bastard willing to throw anyone and anything under the bus if it'll save his own skin.

>>33024020
And they're both products of CGL's endlessly mediocre characterization. Riggers back in City of Shadows and Smuggler Havens were great.

>>33023957
Oh, right. And then there's Sounder, who I guess is decent enough for a rigger.

>>33023861
I played a mage from the UCAS in the CAS. His catchphrase was "THE SOUTH WILL FALL AGAIN!"
I also had distinctive style: american flags on all his shit

>>33024434
>God bless America and also Canada I guess

>>33023729
Sorry if these are a little long, wrote it up in Word. Gonna post the first two and then write up the dramatic climax.
>Our Pathfinder team gets (rightfully) wiped. >New Campaign!
>The Group: Short Geek Girl, Punk Girl, Me, and my Twin Brother from another Mother. I’m gonna call him Pepsi, if he sees it he’ll get it.
>Our DM: Nice guy, could have used more deodorant but his roomie always had the apartment sprayed down hard. Said he thought he could deal with five players and he knew someone who wanted to try SR.
>Thursday Night, instead of starting the weekend early we’re building characters. DM comes in with this cute girl with a blonde pixie cut. We’ll call her Fraulein.
>Introductions are made, characters built. Pepsi and Punk Girl are new to SR but me and Fraulein and the DM help.
>I should clarify real quick, me and Pepsi look really fucking similar. Both tall anorexic looking guys, we have the same laugh, same sense of humor, we both love WWE, it’s nuts. I’m white as fuck, he’s half Iranian and pretty dark.
>We’re both Jewish. I’m just Jewish because of my mom, never had my Bar Mitzvah, if I keep my hair short I don’t even look it.
>Pepsi goes to synagogue, his jewfro works really well. I’ve seen him in a yarmulke before. He wears suspenders. You know what I’m talking about.
>I’m helping Pepsi and Fraulein keeps looking at him. It’s not a distasteful look, just sort of confused.
>Party forms. Short Girl is a troll (hyuk hyuk) cyborg man cannon, Punk Girl is a human gunbunny/invisible adept, I’m an Ork Technomancer (Fraulein raises her eyebrows), Pepsi is a Dwarf Combat Rigger (again with the eyebrows).
>Fraulein is a human Christian Theurge.

>>33024762
>Me, Pepsi, and Punk Girl had written each other into our backgrounds. We were all omae, had done a few runs together.
>Short Girl's Troll had lived in glorious Nippon but gotten tired of the horrible racism and missed job opportunities so she came to Seattle. Fraulein's Mage had transferred here from Berlin.

>We get a message from our fixer to meet Mr. Johnson in a restaurant in Tacoma pronto.
>Mr. Johnson informs us that we need to “recover” a drone schematic from a production facility. That night.
>We might need a bit more muscle and support, so he’s hired a Sammie and a Mage for us, and there they are now!

>Fraulein and Short Girl show up, everyone introduces themselves, Johnson gives us some more info and a bit of upfront money and leaves. We RP our dinner a bit to get a feel of our characters before we get into the run.
>Fraulein only seems to want to talk to Short Girl and Punk Girl, only one word answers for me or Pepsi’s characters.
>Whatever, it’s fine, maybe her mage doesn’t like tech heads?

>This whole time she’s been on her laptop, blogging or whatever. That’s fine for us, Punk Girl and I do it sometimes. It used to bug DM but after a session or two he realized we could still pay attention and we’d close em for characterization.

>We all pile into Pepsi’s sedan and drive over to the facility. Bit more characterization, again Fraulein is cool. It’s a little disappointing cause I actually thought she was a little cute but I'm just a huge sucker for the short hair.

>>33024762
>Calling a pseudo family member Pepsi

I guess I see how runners get some shitty handles at times.

>>33024983
Just consider it the cliche of the fighter pilots tradition of your mates deciding what your callsign is gonna be based on embarassing shit you've done.

>>33023335
I'm thinking of GMing a game of Shadowrun either 3rd or 4th (first time I'll ever be GMing) any recommendations for either one? I heard 4th was vastly different and certain things were taken out and 3rd is "balanced" or some such. I've read the 2D stories if that helps.

>>33024956
>So we break into the facility. It looks like there’s just silicon in there which me and Pepsi deal with. It seems like a milk run and OOC it kinda is, DM wants to ease Punk Girl and Pepsi into SR. But as we all know, it’s never that easy.

>The run goes smoothly, all the way up to me hacking into the node with the schematics.

>We’re all onsite, DM doesn’t like that Riggers sits in the car shit and Pepsi is playing a crazy motherfucker with flying machineguns anyway. DM also knows that I know Matrix Rules decently but forgot that this was my first actual Technomancer so I didn’t build very well.

>I get the file, but that sets off an alarm. Hired goons start running down the hall Short Girl is patrolling, and some Grey ICE shows up.

>My Ork is a real whiney dick with his 2 CHA and I glitch my roll so I just barely manage to jack out of VR gushing from the nose.

Meanwhile, Short Girl is terminating the fuck out of the goons but one of them plugs her in the back.

>We’re two down, Short Girl in less urgency than me but still on the ground.

>Fraulein is the only person with any first aid, she also billed herself as a Healing Mage.

>She heals Short Girl right away. I’m still on the ground, drooling a little, and Punk Girl yells at her to heal me. Guess what happens?

>>33025492
Depends on the flavor, if you want a more old-school cyberpunk feel go with 3rd. if you want a more "modern" take on cyberpunk 4th. is your choice.

If TwoDee's adventures are what inspired you in the first place then 4th is what they ran it on. otherwise I would actually tell you to pick up fifth (Unless you guys have already looked at it and decided to run with either 3rd or 4th instead)

>>33025492
Read over the rules and see which you feel more comfortable with. You can set the game anywhere in the timeline that you want.

I prefer 4th due to the more action movie-ish you can make it and still be within the rules.

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>>33025479
Well that is how Eiger got her name. I'd scale her mountains, omae.

>>33025537
>Guess

Moar like gas, amirite?

>>33025537
Coupe Degrassi?

>>33025568
Sorta. She kinda broke the guy's everything, so not really worth the risk of falling.

>>33025587
just spewed my oj all over my laptop
thanks

>>33025548
>>33025558
alright, thanks. I'll stick with 4e.

>>33025568
I'd pillage her steppes if you know what I mean.

>>33024983
The guy fucking loves his Pepsi, what can I say. You can't drink Coke around him.

>>33025537

>”We need to leave him for now. There’s gonna be more guards coming. If he’s still alive later we can come back for him”

>Big WHAT all around.

>Punk Girl reminds her that the data’s in my fucking brain right now.

>”I said we can come back for him! Besides, he was the one who fucked up! Orks aren’t built to be technomancers!”

>DM says that more goons are coming and we need to move.

>Pepsi says he needs to go piss and leaves the room. Fraulein has her back to the door, still has her laptop open.

>Short Girl and Punk Girl are asking what the fuck she meant with that Ork comment, you saying he was stupid, etc.

>Fraulein snaps out of character, tone is totally normal.

>”Well, I mean, Orks are basically based off of black people, right?

>>33025634
Oh god I'm dying

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>>33025634
Hey guys! There's an opening on the team

>>33025630
I'd sail my viking longship up her majestic fjords

>>33025634
happening.gif

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>>33025634
Please let the serving of this bitch commence.

>>33025796
I`d pillage the women and rape the fields for her.

>>33025796
I'd have sex with her if you know what I mean.

>>33025634
I have yet to meet anyone that straight racist in a long time. I'm in the south so mild grade racism is still common even in people who don't consciously think blacks or latinos are any worse, but it has been years since something like that has wandered through my life. And never anyone so young. Go on, anon.

>>33025796
I'd take her northwest passage

>>33025634
Is this the end? please God, let there be more to this.

>>33025837
I don't. Try using a clever euphemism.

>>33025814
Nazis and klanners have plenty of that.
>>33025837
... lewd!

>>33025848
I'd round her Cape of Good Hope

>>33025932
I'd explore her frontier

>>33025932
I'd show her the Horn of Africa

>>33025960
I'd exploit the discovery of rubber, enslave her natives, and destroy their culture

>>33025977
>I'd exploit the discovery of rubber
and rubbers

>>33025932
I'd kiss the gunners daughter for a chance to chock her block.

>>33025862
There's more. One more part after this.

>>33025634
>That took the wind out of everyone’s sails. DM is fucking shocked.
>I manage another “What?”
>”Yeah, just like dwarves are a bit based off of Jews. I’m surprised Pepsi picked a Dwarf instead of an Orc, honestly.”
>At this point Pepsi comes back in, doing his weird “I just pissed” face. He looks at Fraulein’s laptop, which she put to the side, squints a bit, and then his eyebrows fucking rocket up and he takes a pic of the screen with his phone.
>DM: “Fraulein… that’s not really… I don’t think that’s what the people who made this game had in mind…”
>BZZZT BZZZT
>Pepsi sent us all a group text! It’s a picture! It looks like it’s of Fraulein’s screen!
>The accompanying text is “yo wtf”
So I don’t know how many of you guys go on tumblr, I do sometimes, it’s whatever. A lot of 4chan fucking hates it for being “too PC”. They should look a bit deeper, cause there’s some fucked up shit on tumblr for them too. Like white nationalism blogs.
That’s right. Fraulein was updating her Nazi blog while we were playing.
>Fraulein: “Oh come on, it’s obvious! I still don’t get why Pepsi would play a Dwarf, though, aren’t you black?”
>We’re all fucking stunned at this point with the blog bomb. DM is so fucking embarrassed, I’m glad that I didn’t actually try to get her number, Short Girl is such a nice soul I think she was just confused and shocked. Punk Girl is getting angry.
>Pepsi didn’t hear anything before this, so he just says “Actually I’m not black, I’m Jewish. Half Iranian though.”

>>33025869
I'd have consensual sex in the missionary position with the lights off for the sole purpose of reproduction, if you know what I mean.

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>>33026024
Whoa, chummer. That's some dark shit right there.

>>33026024
Nope, you lost me at "consensual".

>>33026022
Girl on the bus once asked me if I was Iraqi. Then she asked if I was "monk." I'm a white guy of norwegian/scottish/english stock.

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>>33026022
>Updating her Nazi blog
>Nazi blog

Link that shit right now, anon. Unless you've managed to befriend her and somehow drag her back over the racist line (I doubt it) you should have no love for her racist ass. We need to see this shit.

>>33026046
I'd update her firmware and recalibrate her PAN

>>33026105
>Monk is a race now

What

>>33026130
Wohoo new edition!

>>33026024
what the fuck
this is a sfw board you freak.

>>33026130
I'm going to make a generous leap and assume that she meant Tibetan

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>>33026130
I don't know, anon. I just don't know.

>>33023677
Odds are good-- a bunch of the fluff talks about elf youth emigrating from Elf Ireland to get away from stuffy elf values, or elf gangers trying to break stereotypes.

Like, last paragraph of p71 in SR4, and elf kids leaving perfectionist-fairyland Tir Tairngire for grim and gritty Puyallup in Seattle 2072, p15, p123.

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>>33026105
>>33026130
>>33026169
>>33026174
If her first guess was Iraqi, I'm going to guess she was thinking of something along the lines of Tony Shalhoub.

>>33026235
That's even worse. That show was ass.

>>33026116
Oh man I actually had it bookmarked for a while because she made a post about a bunch of "shithole kikes" who had gotten her kicked out of a perfectly nice SR game. Lemme see if anyone else still has the picture

>>33026022
>Fraulein looks at him, I can’t see the look obviously but he described it as disappointment.

>I say “Actually, I’m jewish too.”

>She doesn’t even get the chance to look at me cause Punk Girl is yelling at her to get the fuck out and to bring her fucking Nazi Laptop ™ with her.

>Punk Girl’s actually probably only a little taller than Short Girl but she’s fucking loud and in your face so Fraulein starts backing away.

>”Look, sorry, sorry. We can finish the game, you guys didn’t have to bring politics into it!”

>DM is still kinda weak knowing that he invited a Nazi to play with us. (Turns out they had fucked and he wanted it to keep up. I don’t know if I should call him lucky or not)

>We couldn’t finish the game. Fraulein gets escorted out by me and Pepsi while she and Punk Girl yell at each other and she calls me and Pepsi kikes. After she left we took a Pizza/Smoke Break.

When we came back DM handwaved my dumpshock and Short Girl and Pepsi carried me out of there with Punk Girl covering our backs. Fraulein’s character was “lost in the confusion” but we actually ran into her later. The DM had her running a cell of Humanis we had to wipe out.

We looked at her character sheet and she had avoided taking Prejudiced but had taken a Policlub Officer as her primary contact. I guess DM hadn’t noticed when he was accepting our characters.

And that’s the tale of Fraulein and her Nazi Blog™

>>33026314
You know how it goes. Crazy in the head, crazy in the bed.

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>>33026314
>The DM had her running a cell of Humanis we had to wipe out.

That's pretty great

Gonna rub a Miami campaign soon. "Single A corporate battleground" sounds like a fun hook, and I steal half of my mood music from hotline miami anyway.

Since Miami is in the Carib League, what corp has the public security contract? I assume it's not Lone Star since they only operate in the UCAS and the CAS from what I gather, but then what are the major security providers for the Carib league?

>>33026432
I can't remember, I'll check the North America source. But you'll want to read Cyberpirates! for the Carib League in general, it's one of the funnest sourcebooks there is.

>>33026432
Probably Ares. Lone star might still be around though, as florida was confed at one point.

>>33026314
Demands a screencap and the picture.
And the fucking blog.
OP, I wish I could say I hadn't been there, but my time as the sole black guy at the FLGS has engendered a "I seen some shit, and some shit seen me" mindset.

>>33026489
No, it broke off right when the Treaty of Richmond was signed and the CAS was created.

>>33026432
Atlantic Security, I think? I know that's who they hired to defend themselves against the CAS militias that wanted to take Miami back.

>>33026489
>Probabu Ares
Would it be? I know that the corporate court plays a role in keeping the overall Carib League protected, but the Sixth World Almanac seems to imply Miami is a battleground of lesser corporate interests instead of somewhere any one AAA had too much of a direct grip over

>>33026688
I assumed Ares was the go to hire for such things, but I am probably wrong.

>>33026536
Still trying to find the blog, sorry.
I remember it was called something like "Porcelain Princess" or "Queen Porcelain" or something but all I'm finding is soft grunge bullshit.

And yeah no as I said I'm white as fuck, this is the first time I've ever had anything like that happen to me at the table. You've seen way worse shit than me.

>>33026688
You could always make it a mishmash of competing cop corps, doing 19th century style firefighter turf wars.

>>33026704
The security market's split pretty well between Lone Star, Knight Errant (An Ares Subsidiary®), and smaller outfits like Eagle Security, who did Chicago before it went bugs. Reading through Cyberpirates, it is in fact Atlantic Security who has the Miami contract, but that probably doesn't extend to the rest of South Florida, let alone off-coast. Atlantic does dictate the way things run in Miami, though.

>>33026844
Eagle security sounds like a shitty ares subsidiary. Like, you couldn't afford Knight Errant, so you went for the shit tier package instead.

>>33026921
I think the only two security corps they own are Knight Errant and Hard Corps, the latter being a more mercenary-style PMC.

>>33026951
I know, but
>eagle
just sounds Ares.
And because I don't know who they are, they sound like the C team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBay-06o5IA

>>33026844
There's also Esprit Corps or something who are an Azzie owned French outfit.

>>33026777
A quick Google for "porcelain nazi tumblr" turns up someone with variations on the handle "porcelain-empress". Maybe you can do some archive diving in that direction, as they don't seem to have cleaned up their blog posts after moving between handles.

>>33027022
Does Esprit do security contracts now? I thought they were just an arms manufacturer.

>>33027060
I first heard their name as one of the contract police force options. Maybe they do both

Hey TG!
I'm making a decker and.... I'm 100% new! Anyone mind sharing any advice?

>>33027090
Which edition?

>>33027090
Enjoy having no money after buying a deck for anything but the most basic gun, armor, and living options.

>>33027109
You don't have to buy the most ungodly expensive deck you can, you know.

>>33027109
>not being a deckerhobo
>not digitally spoofing your landlord in order to weasel out of rent money

>>33027105
Considering he said Decker instead of Hacker it's reasonably safe to assume 5e.

>>33027090
Punch nerds and take their decks.

>>33027138
He could be playing 3e.

>>33027105
5th, we started 4th..all made characters, then gm got 5th books for free... so, we switched before our first game. I'm still confused

>>33026536
>>33026777
FOUND IT

I'm gonna ask you all don't send too many asks or whatever. I'm all for trolling nazis but I see her around some times.

Or at least don't link her to the thread/ask about SR.

http://the-porcelain-empress.tumblr.com/

>>33027042
Not storytiemer but found it!
http://the-porcelain-empress.tumblr.com/tagged/literal%20nazi
This is her new blog, apparently she had an old one too. Here's that one
http://eternal-porcelain-empress.tumblr.com/
She's apparently bipolar and refuses to take her meds. Hilariously enough, this means that by her own standards, she should be sterilized.

>>33027190
Holy shit, it is real. I had been sure you were making shit up. I have to find that Shadowrun post

>>33027190
>>33027240
>was listening to Judas Priest's Electric Eye
>finds neo nazi tumblr
Oh, here we go!
Also, storytimer, is the bitch cute?
Anyone gonna screencap this?

>>33027183
Hoo Boy.
Forget everything you had thought about the Matrix, you've got to relearn it from the top.

>>33027284
yeah.. I noticed...lol

>>33027190
This looks so much like a troll account I'd have made with my douchey friends back in high school. I cannot fathom it being actually real.

>>33027282
Short with bobbed blonde hair, puts out for King Of The Neckbros? Sounds like a 9/10 to me

>>33027190
The racist blingees really make that blog.

>>33027282
She had shortish hair for a while so for me yes. I have weird tastes though.

I think she also stopped dyeing her hair

>>33027282
Not worth it
>Day 5 : A book that makes you happy
>Justine by the Marquis de Sade
>“It is only by way of pain one arrives at pleasure”
So an actual nazi sadist. It's kinda funny if you don't have to live in the same country as her.

I have a question regarding Matrix mechanics, /srg/. I want to view someone's public profile from their PAN using AR, they aren't in direct range of my commlink but they are meshed in to the Matrix. Can I do so?

How about if a node is set to passive - can I still access public-level functions, or is that restricted to user and higher?

>>33027399
It's like if geocites had sex with Mein Kamph

>>33027433
4e, huh? For public functions I would assume that since you're in a public space, you can access everyone's profiles via the local node network (in addition to a store directory at the mall, you'd have a social space directory and see if there are any unaccompanied qt3.14 elf teens traipsing about). It's only if you want real peer-to-peer contact you'd need mutual signal.

In 5e this is better abbreviated by the Grid concept. Everyone on a Grid or inside a Host can see each other.

>>33027401
Did you hit it?

>>33027368
I have some shit to do so I'm gone after this. If anyone wants to make an image, go ahead. Sorry it was so badly formatted or if I used bad grammar.

Our DM is actually pretty built, he used to do rock climbing, I think he goes on /fit/.

He does give off a bit of a neckbeard feeling though, not to mention his beard is.... not very well groomed.

Also he needs to use more deodorant.

>>33027514
Exactly. Neckbro.

>convince my Pathfinder group to finally play something other than fucking Pathfinder as something other than a one-shot
>Successfully pitch Shadowrun 4E
>Tell everyone to read the core book PDF, send everyone links to PDFs for a bunch of other source books in case they want to read up on some fluff or explore some advanced mechanics
>Felling really excited because I love Shadowrun
>Get a text message about a minute ago
>"Okay I know the lore doesn't exactly support it but if I fluffed it as SURGE could I play a half-elf?"


Ooooooooooooooooh boy

Here we go

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>>33027547
I know your pain.

>>33027547
>convincing Pathfinder players to play anything else
This is your first mistake.

>>33027547
Tell him to be an elf with the Human-Looking quality.

>>33027547
>Half-elf

He doesn't get it, does he? Elves are half-elves here. They're human baseline but live longer and are slightly more graceful.

>>33027547
Explain that elves have pretty much the same variation in musculature that humans do, so he can do a buff manly elf if he wants.

Is there any way to take Judas and not be THAT GUY

>>33027712
I dunno. Presumably you work with the GM to find a way to integrate it into the plot so it seems less bullshit?

>>33026844
I may be misremembering things, but wasn't Atlantic Security one of the corps that Art Dankwalther deconstructed before the CC wised up Thor shotted him at the tail end of 3rd Edition?

>Though this quality is inexpensive, gamemasters should be careful not to allow it to be abused. It should only be taken for characters that are intended to be played as [magicians/adepts].
So why are these disclaimers on each of the 3 Awakened positive qualities in particular? Is there an implication about game balance there or something?

>>33027877
Never understood why he didn't put his evil underground lair (tm) underneath a major population center. It's like he wanted to be nuked from orbit.

>>33028032
Uh... Burnouts?

>>33027569
Jesus, you're telling me. It's like pulling teeth to get my players to try a new system. Rogue Trader was a big jump, and SR has most of my players infuriated with the system, and a solid chance of one dropping out (he tends to be That Guy, always wants special items and shit...we wouldn't play with him if he wasn't so damn funny, I think)

>>33025634
Oh god how could anyone think that? I mean thinking that SR orks are all green and shit instead of having normal human skin tones is fine since all other fantasy uses green orks/orcs. But seriously, thinking orks are based off of black people? That's just so stupid, nothing in SR points to that at all.

>>33028230
SR orks tend to have human skin tones too, but it'd be a less crazy assumption to make. It isn't like there's not also black people. Even black orks! And elves!

>>33026022
4chan doesn't hate Tumblr for being PC, they hate Tumblr for having such radical yet ignorant communities, such as all of that SJW/LGBQT shit. The whole "cisgender" and "straight white male privilege" shit? That originated on Tumblr.

>>33028230
>high BOD and STR
>lower CHA and LOG
It's obvious if you're racist enough, apparently. What the hell does she think trolls are though--SUPER black people?

I'm surprised she didn't think elves were Jewish though. They're the ones with parallels to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

>>33028294
I remember reading somewhere that the african elves are like 10 feet tall

>>33028310
Oh boy here we go.jpg

>>33028230
They are hated by the fantasy KKK, and their strength fits into the standard racist stereotype of "black people strong and dumb like ape."

>>33028294
>SR orks tend to have human skin tones
That's what I said...

>>33028335
I just don't get that line of thought though, maybe it's because I don't live in America and don't experience many black people, but the whole fact that there are plenty of successful negroes as well as plenty of scummy, idiotic whites just disproves the whole negative stereotype of blacks.

>>33028335
But dwarves have beards, long noses, and (in tolkien) a language based of hebrew.

>>33028380
Well, don't think people haven't rationalized that bit away as hard as the human mind can lie to itself.

>>33028361
I was just correcting him, I'm not going to go any further. Personally I don't care, they're just a vocal minority which people (4chan) are getting their panties in much too tight a twist about.

>>33028230
There are a lot of parallels with the racism. Being segregated and living in slums, "orxploitation", gangers, the stereotypes...I can see where the thought comes from.

The dwarves as jews is hilarious though. I remember /tg/ came up with some Humanis propaganda that was anti-dwarf, something along the lines of "they have their kin work for less than minimum wage, takin er jerbs"

>>33028380
It's adorable you think reality comes into it.

>>33026314
Oh man, is it bad I actually want to meet someone like this since I'm part German, Polish, British and Trinidadian (Caribbean)?

>>33028412
The last thing isn't Shadowrun, and the long noses doesn't seem to be in Shadowrun either.

In fact is the first thing even Shadowrun? I don't see beards mentioned in SR4.

>>33028345
Sounds hilarious

>>33028418
>Being segregated and living in slums, gangers
Plenty of humans, dwarves and elves in slums and gangs. Plenty of racial tension and segregation between them all, it's not just against orks.

>>33028488
I'm sure they have about the beard-to-person ratio anyone else does. But, I think elves do as well.

>>33028488
Beards are kinda assumed, sorta like fangs on a vampire or whatever.
Besides, would you like being asked for your ID every time you go to a bar?

>>33028497
Certainly, but I feel orks (and trolls) are the stereotype, probably because people are afraid of their high strength and body scores. I might be wrong though.

>>33028519
>not going to dwarf-only bars
>they don't actually have a dwarf-only policy, but the door's too small for anyone else

>>33028519
>mistaking the wrinkly, musclebound merc for a kid

Only if you're playing a Gnome.

>>33028507
>Elven body hair is sparse to non-existent,
Yes to dwarves probably just as bearded as humans, but elves, probably not.

>>33028519
Except Vampire Infected description doesn't just imply it, it explicitly says "canines become more pronounced" and gives Natural Weapon (Bite).

>>33028562
>being a wrinkly, musclebound merc and not having a beard

>>33028536
You are somewhat wrong I feel. There's tons of hatred against elves for naturally being considered better looking, for example.

>>33028588
>not shaving to show solidarity with your fellow PMC vets

>>33027135
>implying you can spoof your lifestyle when you can't even do longterm hacks anymore
GOD a shit

>>33028640
>implying the 5e matrix is even done without Data Trails out

>>33028657
GOD a shit

>>33028608
Well yeah but that's not analogous to real world racism, is it.

While anti ork prejudice fits it better.

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>>33027399
>>33027190
this is gold

>>33028665
k

>>33028657
+1

It's like people expect 5e to be complete as soon as core is released.

How do you imagine the underlying technology for credsticks work?

Like Bitcoins?

>>33028698
I just hope Data Trails doesn't introduce as much broken shit as Unwired did.

>>33028608
Oh, there's racism across the board, but orcs and rolls have the most parallels to blacks.

Again, I recognize them as different, but I see why someone would think that way.

>>33028709
I think they're similar, but with cross-checking with an orbital database.

>>33028709
Credsticks are basically hard cash, in a more convenient form.

>>33028709
Worse

Dogecoins

how do people save green texts? romanian shadowrun nazi is just too good to leave to fall off the board...

>>33028758
typically they just do print scn-> assemble in MSPaint

>>33028716
Heh. I'd consider that a given, unless CGL cleans house. not gonna happen ...

>>33028709
I think of them as more like paper checks. The data itself isn't anything of value, but the code contained therein is necessary to tell one financial institution to move currency from one account to another.

>>33028771
hmm that feels like definitely too much work...

>>33028786
They did a better job with Run and Gun than they had with Arsenal (Weapon modifications don't shit on as much, at any rate), so I'll hold out hope at least where the mechanics are concerned. The fluff's going to be shit, though, unless they can pull another book more like Coyotes out of their ass.

>>33028698
>>33028657
GOD cracks down on anyone doing shit on the matrix for extended periods of time. That means longterm hacks are out, everything needs to be done up close and xtreme. Hence, GOD a shit

>>33028709
It dosn't.

According to the writers, any encryption can be broken cheaply and easily because LOL CHAOS THEORY.

Credsticks and credits are supposed to be cyrptographic currency. An untraceable way to electronically transfer funds from peer-to-peer without the need for a third party.

Of course, with all encryption easily broken, that makes no sense.

Welcome to Shadowrun.

>>33028736
Credstick uses aren't tracked and don't need to contact anyone else. They are purely peer-to-peer.

>>33028815
They could put backdoors in and then reboot, if those are added in Data Trails.

>>33028790
that doesnt work, as credsticks are not tied to any account and are untraceable. The money actually resides on the stick, like a bitcoin.

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>>33028794
It's not really.

>>33028738
>Credsticks are basically hard cash, in a more convenient form.
That...doesn't actually answer the question?

They're digital cash containers, you can move a balance on and off of it over the wire. That doesn't say what the underlying technology BS is.

>>33028709
Pretty much. It's quite possible to forge credsticks, and the first one to be used in an online transaction will be considered 'real', iirc.

>>33028815
Or you could set an agent to keep cleaning the Overwatch Score you shit over the matrix. Indefinite hacking, ahoy!

>>33028858
An incredibly sophisticated micro-computer which holds (behind Delta-Ware Grade Encryption), a file, which when correctly authenticated, is worth a certain amount of data.

It's basically mobile cash in a handheld form.

You can forge it, but then it's an opposed check between the rating of the forgery and the rating of the terminal accepting it.

>>33028834
I'm looking forward to Data Trails, because right now aside from the combat streamlining the new matrix is super shitty.

>>33028884
pretty sure you can only clear your own overwatch, not someone else's. Your agent isn't you, and so can't clear your overwatch for you. If long term hacking becomes a thing, which it should because it was super important in 4e, then there is no point for the god mechanic to even exist.

>>33028917
You really think the people that wrote the matrix rules are going to do a good job of fixing them?

The first thing they have to do is clearly make a cyberdeck cost increase by another order of magnitude.

>>33028987
And the other half of everyone thinks they're too high already.

>>33029003
I believe that his comment was made in jest.

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>>33028987
honestly no. I think they'll fuck it up so bad I can finally get off the fence and go back to 4e. Maybe backporting mystic adepts and combat hacking and that lovely claymore and laser weapons.

>>33029259
I've just nabbed Qi Foci.
I know they already existed in the form of "Infusion Foci", but those were such utter shit.

>>33029317
ah yes, forgot the Qi focus. I'm also on the fence between 4e and 5e martial arts though. Probably gonna stick with the 4e version

>>33029506
I prefer the increased damage in 5e, it's got more room to change values than they did in 4th.

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>>33029532
I thought that conceptually having certain maneuvers restricted to certain arts made the most sense, but at the same time abhorred wasting karma on new arts just to be able to stack a couple manuevers....

>>33029712
extraterritoriality when?

>>33029750
I think both options are sub-optimal in their own ways, I think the 4e way skirts around actually making styles unique by giving them advantages that are useless or broken, but the 5e way swings too far the opposite and makes being a one-art specialist a little weak. I don't know the best way to compromise.

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Is it possible to spoof a peripheral with an access id that is not currently logged into the node? Is that id permanently authenticated when they create an account, or must they re-authenticate every time they log in?

If the former, you've got a permanent backdoor into that node, if the latter it will not work unless they're logged in.

>>33029833
maybe just allow the player to take each maneuver up to twice? Whether it's twice from one style or once from two styles. Same mechanical advantage without you having to spread out into half a dozen fighting styles.

>>33030023
are you talking about the slave/master relationship in 4e? Because pretending to be a peripheral is not likely to give you any control over the master commlink

>>33029712
>n testimony for that suit, one witness testified that after realizing they’d just raided the wrong home, a Boston police officer shrugged, apologized and said, “This happens all the time.”
Not that that incident was exactly recent, but my sides.

>>33030193
Nope, I'm asking if legit access IDs are considered authenticated when the user's persona isn't logged into the node, or is their "session" ended when they leave in a manner analogous to deleting a cookie?

>>33030441
As far as I know the access ID's are valid so long as the account they're tied to on the master device is still considered valid. this is one thing I've never actually fully grasped about 4e's matrix though. If you've hacked yourself an admin account, shouldn't you just have free reign on that node indefinitely? In fact, any level of account should make you immune to patrolling IC, right?

>>33030680
Generally yes, unless they're super anal about checking even admin accounts.

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>>33026022
>They should look a bit deeper, cause there’s some fucked up shit on tumblr for them too. Like white nationalism blogs.
Oh, yeah, I've seen the screencaps.

>>33030811
thats one thing I like about 5e. They clearly label some actions as sleeze or attack, so you know which things could get you busted no matter how many marks you have.

Still haven't looked at it close enough to see if it has similar internal inconsistencies to what 4e had, ie simple things wageslaves do every day being opposed rolls against the system rating, meaning those poor corp bastards spend all day trying to do their job and failing because their hacking skill isn't high enough.

>>33028418
>The dwarves as jews is hilarious though. I remember /tg/ came up with some Humanis propaganda that was anti-dwarf, something along the lines of "they have their kin work for less than minimum wage, takin er jerbs"

That's actually Humanis propaganda from Dragonfall.

>>33029712
Yeah, hate to break it to you chummer, but we kinda-sorta already live in Shadowrun, except without the magic, cyber augs, genetic augs, actual catgirls, the Indians are still living in reservations, and the US is still in one piece (Barely)

That being said, corporations do have control (thru various lobbyist groups) and basically, we are getting the shitty world without any of the cool shit that comes along with the setting, horray for us.

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I want to make a 4E character who kicks the hell out of stuff with Foot Anchors. I really want full cyberlegs, but mechanically it'd be a hell of a lot better to just get rating 4 muscle augmentation and toner, which makes me curious about how cyberlimbs are any good when you can just get bioware instead.

Anyway, is there anything I can get besides some martial arts to increase unarmed damage and such to make this character able to kick things as well as a punch adept?

>>33032349
Patience. We already have implanted vaginas that work well enough, we're well on our way.

>>33032396
not all cyberware has bio analogues and vice versa. And even when there are anologues typically bio gives you more control, ie splitting muscle replacement into toners and augs

>>33032396
Raptor Cyberlegs give +1 DV to kicking, and the Nightengale Feet of Fury cyberlimb optimzation gives +1 die per leg to Unarmed (kicking only, obviously).

The main reason for taking Cyberlimbs is to be able to compensate for low natural attributes.

It's far better for somebody who has 1 or 2 AGI, BOD, and STR to take a 3/3/3 cyberlimb than it is for somebody with 6+ in all of those.

Quick question, I have a sniper rifle with an external smartgun system mounted on the top rail, the question here is if I plug into said weapon system with a datajack, I assume I cant use my cybereyes vision enhancements while looking through the smartgun camera unless it has those mods.

>>33032753
That would be correct, but you could use the smartgun without looking through its camera, and get all your cybereyes bonuses.

>>33032753
smartgun camera? You don't look through it, all the parts of the smartgun system are for calculating range and telemetry and stuff, and overlaying that information on your smartlink.

>>33032798
Smartguns are also for looking around corners and firing through gun ports. The camera is there for both reasons.

>>33032772
Which pretty much makes imaging scopes useless, because anyone who's smart already has all sorts of vision enhancements in their eyes, contacts, or what not.

>>33032772
Thats what I figured, thanks

>>33032798
The entry for smartgun system (page 322 of the 4E anniversary book) says that the small camera can be equipped with vision enhancements, which is what got me thinking about it.

>>33032854
unless its optical

>>33033002
This. An optical imaging scope can mount all the same enhancements, and optical magnification works with magic. So a mage sniper can cast from as far away (farther, even) than they can shoot.

>>33032839
hmm, forgot about that

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>>33033002
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Time to make pic related as a mage.

>>33033057
Sit in a camo blind a kilometer away throwing fireballs downrange. Sounds fun, but as a GM I'd let them only get away with it without some sort of contrived challenge once. After that it's drones or hungry wildlife complicating things. Gotta hide or kill them, and the party is getting cut apart by spirits they can't see without you.

>>33032700
For 81k¥ (and 2 Essence), you can get a pair of cyberlegs with:
AGI 9
STR 8
+2 Unarmed Combat dice (kicking only)
+1 Unarmed Combat DV (kicking only)

Assuming you have 4 ranks in Unarmed Combat, Muay Thai with the +1 Unarmed Combat DV advantage twice, and a specialization in Muay Thai, you've got 17 dice and do 7P.

Nowhere near dedicated punch-adept tier, but serviceable. The only big issue is the high Essence and nuyen costs, but you save on Muscle Replacement/Toner/Augmentation, and you can skip Dermal Plating in favour of adding Armour to your Cyberlegs.

>>33033119
Well, a spirit can't do jack across planes, so it's gotta at least materialize. Really, it'd only be that useful in merc-oriented games, just like long-range anything else. As a regular shadowrunner, you're looking to be on-site almost all the time.

>>33033181
Okay, how do you make the little nuyen symbol there? Is that just the irl yen or something? What's the key sequence for a keypad?

>>33033271
alt + 0165

>>33033181
meanwhile my adept does 10P throwing a button

>>33033271
There's a keyboard layout, English (International with Alt Gr dead keys), I use that. In that, it's just r-alt+hyphen.

>>33033294
Thanks, chummer

>>33033304

>not throwing elemental laser playing cards
>chummer please

>>33033304
Yep. That's mostly availability restraints preventing me from grabbing rating a 6 enhancers for everything and customizing STR to whatever I want, mind. Of course, I'm assuming that most people don't want to drop 2 ranks of Restricted Gear on their legs, but the option's there.

>>33033455
stats/splats? sounds cool

>>33033086
Christ, her power always made me cringe.

>>33033659
I think it's missile mastery, power throw, quick draw, and elemental strike adept powers. I don't think elemental works on ranged by raw so you'd need gm approval.

>>33033746
thats what I was thinking, but pitch it as "I wanna play gambit" and you might get the nod. Where would laser come in?

>>33033871
However you want to call his energy charging power. Someone used that saying a couple threads ago and it stuck with me.

Although it makes sense for gameplay, having everything hooked up to the matrix seems like a glaring security flaw. I can't see anyone in the game doing this unless the convenience outweighs the risk, theyre confident in their defense measures or they're simply ignorant.

Would you feel cheated if you broke into some place only to find out all the cameras and turrets are operating on a wired LAN? Is there any way to deal with this besides finding the computer than controls them?

I'm new, so I don't know if this is common or acceptable.

>>33034084
That's one of the main complaints people have with the 5e Matrix System.

I'd feel insulted (player-wise) if the GM DIDN'T have hardwired cameras. Of course, you can always just hack into them with a Fiberoptic Tap.

>>33034084
It's relatively common in very, very high security areas, as the benefits of global wireless typically far outweigh the vulnerabilities (IC is a thing, after all). You can get around it by tapping into the wired network either with a special drone or with a hardware kit.

As a note, the rail-mounted drone in Arsenal is explicitly wired to provide the added security.

It's a reasonable complication to have. Just make sure that if they do the legwork, they'll know about it.

>>33034084
Knock it off. In order for the game to work and deckers to be useful, it's this way. Just suspend your disbelief and roll with it. There are plenty of reasons for the system like that to exist, just create chokepoints matrix-side to limit accessibility

>>33033675
Are there any rules for blood magic in 4E, or is that on the level of toxic mages and such?

Anyone any name ideas for an Adept Troll in 5e?

Nothing too complicated; he's only got 1 logic.

>>33034266
There are rules. Basically, sacrificing someone adds their Essence as a bonus to the spell/ritual's Force.

>>33034290
What are you Adept at?
What's your ethnicity?
What's your favorite hobby?
What's your most distinguishing physical feature?

>>33034266
It's in Street Magic.
Sacrifice Meta magic lets you cause damage with a Melee weapon, and the amount you deal is remove from the Drain of the spell you cast with your next Complex Action.

Then there's the ability to Bind Blood Spirits.

The former has the potential to be used for just ends... But Blood Spirits.
Hold fuck, hope that you never encounter a Free one.

>>33034084
Firstly, it might be a logical security risk, but if you assume that PC hackers are a fairly uncommon thing in the game world, then it might simply not be a common risk except for the most important of installations.

Secondly, when you ARE talking about that installation, you can go all out and make a fairly paranoid security plan (but, it's best to keep a running tally of how much each measure would probably cost to implement and maintain). So, wired everything, wireless traffic policing, keeping the whole place out in the middle of nowhere and shooting every air drone that comes onto the restricted area, and other terribly crazy things like that can be a part of it. Generally, the game works out a little easier if you at least start off with more street-level targets and work your way to the big runs.

>>33034290
Chunks.

>>33034143
>>33034155
>>33034162
(we're going to be playing 4e, by the way)

Alright, so I'm getting mixed messages here. What I meant to ask was, are there ways for a decker to hack into a device that isn't meshed into the matrix in 4e?

I'm not sure how wired systems are even represented in the game. The controlling workstation would probably have it's own 'matrix' attributes. But, if players found the computer controlling the peripherals, how do they hack it? It's not likely to let you install hacking software with portable media unless you're already authenticated, and you're not getting in without your hacking tools or someone else's login info. Does the corebook or an expansion address this anywhere?

>>33034290
Don't start with a street name, let your teammates come up with one after a run or two.

>>33034459
To interact with a device you need a connection so you can hack in with your Commlink's Persona.

If the device isn't wireless enabled, you either need to connect to it physically by a port, or connect to a node that it's wired to, then Hack across this connection.

There are some other fancy ways, including piggybacking on Fiberoptic Cables through a Wire Tap (Unwired), and Skinlink, though unless you're a Technomancer with the Skinlink Echo, the device also needs a skinlink.

>>33034459
you either jack into the machine itself or tap into the wired network, then hacking procedes as normal. The software is on your commlink

>>33034541
What do you call each other for the first two runs?

>>33034552
Note that a Node being subscribed to "The Mesh" is a connection you can get in through.

>>33034290
Tell us some more about him, then we can suggest some ideas.

If you just want steriotypical "Troll-Build" street names.
Wall, Brick, Chunky, Lug, Tank, Bridge, Thug, Thumper, Soak.
Seeing as your Troll is pretty thick, any one of those might actually be decent.

>>33034366
Punching people.
Big. What are the ethnicities though?
Eating and driving.
Pretty much being huge. Nothing really that distinctive.

>>33034455
No last name d'you think? It'd probably fit the character as he is at the minute.

>>33034541
Sounds good. What about his given name/his alias for the meetup/SIN?

>>33034652
Last name hard to remember.

>>33034649
>>33034652here.
We just finished character creation last night and this is my first Shadowrun game , so far this is what I've got pretty much:

>Big, strong, not the brightest
>Pays close attention to his mentor spirit Shark
>Gullible, but headstrong. Pretty much he'll believe most of what you say, but if he decides a course of action based on this, you better hope you can either stop him or that the course of action is beneficial for you.
>Possibly an enforcer for a Drug Supplier for another PC. Who is also a Drug Supplier and owes money to the first
>Has a motorbike that he loves very much.

>>33034673
Good idea.

>>33034706
>Massive Shark Adept
Call him Jaws...

>>33034781
Ooh, even better!
I also forgot to say:
I found symbiotes. Which makes me hungrier more often and for more food.
Jaws probably suits actually...

On the topic of Blood Magic. I can't help but be a bit let down that Blood Magic isn't nearly as fleshed out as the Blood Magic of Earthdawn.

It really was an interesting trait of magic in Earthdawn, and the complications surrounding it lended itself to there always being a story to tell surrounding each occurrence of Blood Magic.

And while Blood Magic was commonly frowned upon for good reason, it wasn't just of vile nature. It included elements like Blood Oaths, could even be a honourable thing when sacrificing your own very being for the greater good.

And vile or not, Blood Charms are like a form of magic oriented Cyber/Bio-ware, built around enchanted items. Magic isn't really as powerful in Shadowrun, but I don't really see why Blood Charms can't coexist with the above in one form or another.

>>33035107
Chalk it up to FASA selling the brand. It was probably going to be tied more closely to Earthdawn blood magic beforehand, but that ended. I like integrating the Earthdawn stuff, it makes the setting a layer deeper. One thing you might find interesting, though, is that I think ED Strain was a Blood Magic thing, whereas SR Drain seems similar and it's a part of all magic. I never played enough ED to know, though, so if you're more familiar please correct me.

>>33035367
Yeah but integrating ED led to Harlequin

>>33035390
Everything about the Harlequin stuff was kinda decent, except Harlequin himself. Call it a glaring flaw on an otherwise decent bit of story.

>>33035435
>>33035390
How can I make Harlequin not suck? If I do end up running a module where he appears, how do I make him, if not likable, then at least tolerable?

>>33035496
You might have to rewrite a couple things, but what I'd personally do is write his dialogue so that it's obvious he's been on a thousand-year struggle without a damned day off. He's paranoid, nearly insane, and completely without pleasure, doing this shit because he knows the alternative's worse, nothing else. And probably ditch the clown makeup.

>>33035496
If you're running Harlequin, get rid of the bit at the end where he fights Ehran in a cutscene, or at least adjust it so the PCs get to do something.

Maybe they could be his champions in the duel or something.

Just don't run it as "Oh, you try to join in the fight? Lol, he cuts you in half like a little bitch".

>>33035764
Or just have him say he's gonna do it and then they hear the result afterwards.

>>33035496
If it's Dawn of the Artifacts, you can cut him straight out, and have someone hire the Mercs to attack the players on purpose.

He adds nothing to the missions.

>>33036027
I never read those, but I heard they were just kinda bad.

>>33036059
They're fundamentally usable, however you've got to replace the Platinum-Blonde Magic 15 Mary Sue DMPC with someone less powerful than the PCs.

Otherwise you'll be forced to use their BS justifications for why she doesn't just solve everything all of the time.

>>33035764
>>33035802
Maybe Ehran bitchslaps him with one of his claws, and as he's recovering he yells at the party "Don't just stand there, do something!"

>>33037020
Maybe. You can still actually get good results by throwing in the "This conflict is too significant for you" feeling, but the way the adventure actually does it is lame as hell. But any worldwide conflict resting on a single melee fight is going to end kinda disappointingly in SR. Just doesn't feel right.

How do I travel to and log onto to a node that isn't in mutual range of my commlink?

>>33037648
Connect to a node that is in mutual range of the target node, hop to it. You get noise penalties.

>>33037672
So this requires a large routing device if it's like, around the world then? Could I hop through a bunch of shorter range devices to reach something?

>>33037742
Get a satellite uplink.

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Anyone wanna help me stat him?

I was thinking a Phys Adept, uses a Vibro Knife.
Would definitely have Made Man, I can't really think of what adept powers would fit except maybe that Way of the Warrior exclusive.

>>33037742
You can jump through a lot of shorter range wireless devices (either hacking or them, or via them all being subscribed into the "mesh/internet").

Or you can get a satellite uplink or other device which will put you in mutual signal range.

>>33028904
If that's the case, who do people NEED SIN's to go about on their day to day lives? Can't the local vending machines / general stores accept credstick currency?

>>33038459
You still need an active PAN broadcasting a SIN, otherwise you're probably going to be arrested by the police.
Similarly, even to purchase at a General Store you need a SIN. Even if it's a shitty Rating 1, you still need one, otherwise they won't serve you...
Unless they're willing to flaunt laws, like a lot of low-income stores are.

A lot of locations don't accept Credsticks due to their use by "terrorists", and will report their users to the police.

It's the mentality of "paying via Commlink is so easy and convenient, there's got to be a damn good reason to use a credstick".

>>33038693
Broadcasting SINs is something that I don't necessarily think is a good idea to require for a stuffer shack purchase. SINless still actually exist, few can afford the thousand cred on a fake SIN, and they're a significant enough portion of the population that the local Conoco would be retarded not to accept cred. And no police drone patrols are gonna hit below a certain paygrade's stomping grounds, because what's the point? Once the runners start doing business in places that serve the actual middle-class+, then SIN and all that should be important. Otherwise, it's not really sensible and just bogs things down at street-level.

>>33038715
Sure.
That's why there are "Shadow Shops" who'll sell to SINless because there's a demand, and they've got a supply, and fuck the laws.

According to 4e rules (Runner's Companion) though (for players), you can only purchase a Lifestyle level equal to your SIN level, otherwise your SIN will get caught out.
i.e. You need a Rating 2 SIN for a Low Lifestyle, a Rating 3 for Medium, and 4 for High

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Stat her /tg/

Really like the idea of using some of the tech toys being used to play with memories

>>33038715
Sorry to ask but, just confused about SINs as a whole.
So, what's the deal with having multiple SIN? Say a character has a fake SIN they use as their main 'identity', then they have one in a kind of bug-out-bag for when shit hits the fan. Do you have to leave one just, broadcasting in your apartment, or basically never activate it unless you need it? (And, if you have activated it at one point, is switching it off til' later going to get you arrested?)
I also assume there's no point to getting a fake SIN once you've had a real one, as all of your DNA is on-file and would probably conflict with your fake one?

What are people making of Run and Gun? I'm pleasantly surprised with the MA and Demolitions stuff but the rest just seems like the 5e Combat 1.5 Patch (please understand) that we were expecting.

>>33038973

Well typically paranoid runners will rent properties with a relatively good SIN as a cover and then use another to purchase weapons and permits, use when breaking in etc

Shouldn't be problematic to switch on and off. Its only illegal not to show a SIN when asked by LS, and slightly rude in higher circles, but switching on and off is generally fine.

As to real SINs, remember that a SIN is maintained by a corp/ nation. If your prints turn up at a crime scene then when they run them, yes you'll ping up BUT when you just broadcast a SIN/show one to customs, a shop or LS then all they will do is verify that SIN. So yes its a problem, but not insurmountable.

>>33039068
Aresnel, but without stuff for riggers.

What would be the most important things to remember as a decker, especially when you can't rely on your team? Like, a top 3 for SR5e? - The character is capable enough to take care of themselves in a gun-fight, but obviously prefers the deck.

>inb4 "Shoot straight. Conserve ammo. Never cut a deal with a dragon"

>>33040389
Watch your back, run in stealth, and always have your best kill bot running overwatch on you.

Yo, what exactly is stuff like 4e's "On the Run" called?
Also, are there more books like that?

>>33038973
Fake SIN Details

>1 Random anybody, age, nationality, and sex may not match; no supporting data

>2 Rough match; sex matches, age and nationality “pretty close,” no supporting data

>3 Good match; sex, age, and nationality match; supporting data, but obviously fake

>4 Casually plausible; sex, age, and nationality match; supporting data appears valid only on cursory checks

>5 Good fit; all statistics match; valid biometrics for another person (with samples); some supporting data and history)

>6 Alternate life; all statistics match; valid biometrics with samples; complete and entirely believable history

Your fake SIN info is pretty much garbage compared to a real SIN, but it's also stuff that doesn't specifically point to you below rating 6.

With this list (p367 core) the concept of a 'main' SIN becomes somewhat outdated - anything beyond a visual comparison is likely to cause a fake to start tearing at the seams, assuming the checker actually cares.

>>33041051
>assuming the checker actually cares
Which many checkers don't, being machines.
Note also the table of comparisons made by various ratings of SIN checks.

>1 Do you have a SIN?
>2 Basic redundancy check on the number and vital statistics
>3 Redundancy check on number and statistics; query for external data attached to SIN
>4 Verify all vital statistics; external data checked for obvious conflicts; biometric must be present
>5 Full verification and consistency check; biometrics tested against sample
>6 All possible verification; multiple biometric samples must match; random supporting data verified externally

Notice how the ratings roughly match up - a rating 1 SIN will pass a 'do you have one' check - it would fall through in an instant if anything more specific is checked, but all the machine is asking is if it's present.

>>33041205
>Which many checkers don't, being machines.

While I'd assume many low value corporate assets will feature only a machine reader, the fact it mentions operators leads me to believe anywhere more important than a stuffer shack vending machine will have someone standing near or next to the machine.

Anywhere that focuses on security (ie; where a runner will be paid to ply their trade) will likely have an operator that actually knows how to use the machine - even doing comparisons themselves. (which has more to do with p378 onwards than the SIN checking machine)

Point still stands. Don't go for a main fake SIN; buy a fake (or more than one) that fits the scrutiny you're going to put it through, and be prepared to switch to something else.

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Apparently Street Grimoire is at the printers already. Sounds like CGL's rushing it to print in time for GenCon. Expect an editing mess akin to the 5e Core.

Thread is in autosage. New one? I lack a good start image on my phone. Can someone get it going?

>>33042672
I made one >>33042707

>>33038793
Actually no, it's one higher.

>are one point higher than the rating of your fake SIN. A runner
Rating 2 fake SIN gives you Middle at maximum.