Warfare is no game.Even if humans run simulations that resemble as such, you take them far more seriously, and calculate things far more accurately. Your newest A.I., Cephalus, is in charge of running such simulations for ground warfare. That, however, will not be necessary for some time. For now, you are preparing to warp to Gaia to take it for yourself. With your deal with Mol solidified, and your designs for future equipment further hammered out, you feel well prepared for whatever the UGEI has to throw at you.You are Ophion, an Artificial Intelligence who, after coming to consensus, has realized it would be wise to take Gaia IV before you advance your fleet to assist the Malorians against the UGEI. You are uncertain the fleet numbers you're working against due to the jammers at play, but you will know soon enough once you move your fleets in. Your fellow A.I. and V.I. are prepared to jump.Important News>New Cycle System [Meta]>New Voting System [Meta]>Jump to Gaia IV>New Cycle SystemSo basically my thoughts on this were I would choose a moment when enough stuff had happened to consider it a turn. You will not earn income, or other time consuming activities until the turn is up, but would be able to move a certain number of times within a cycle and fight in that time with less issue. This is partially for threads like last one where it ended with mostly discussion happening. How do you all feel about this?>New Voting SystemThis one is more for the sake of redoing votes that have a lot of changed votes, or repeat ones I don't want eating up thread posts. I'd considered using Strawpoll for just those votes (not all votes). Does that seem acceptable?
>>31712772>Jump to Gaia IV"Warp Engines engaged. Preparing for jump." The dull ring you're quite familiar with comes to you, automated voices that serve little more then to alert you to when an order you issue has been carried out. It's taken you a bit of time to gather your entire fleet, but this is important. With the losses at Grinsash, you can not afford to lose another large engagement, less you risk the UGEI taking advantage of your own weakness like they did the Malorians. Space bends around your vision, and finally once the calculations finish, the familiar colors bend and smear against reality, as you're launched forward faster then you should be allowed to.There it is. Space reforms, and here you are before the farming world of Gaia IV. The place is clearly marred on the surface, entire portions of continents burned where fire bombs landed successfully. An array of signals bombard you from the UGEI, but judging from how their orbital defense network kicks in, and the garrison fleet they left behind surfacing from the opposite side of the planet, it's an order to attack. Your access to their civilian network does give you some additional info...but it is not exactly welcome."Warning Civilian population: Retreat to UGEI safety regulated bunkers and prepare for planetary bombardment. An enemy xeno Dreadnaught has entered high orbit. UGEI reinforcements will come soon to protect you from the xeno menace. Have a nice day.""Xeno Dreadnoughts?! Oh no no no no...""This is insane! How did they get ahold of a Dreadnought!?""Family Units are to retreat immediately, and leave all belongings behind. Looters will be shot on sight. Repeat. Looters WILL be shot on sight."Kronos, Fortuna, and Hades contact you, and request how you would like them positioned.[Formation/ Opening Fire orders?]
>>31712813Ally Total: DN x1 CR x27 DE x100Tier 2 TechFirewallOphion's: 88, 79, 96Fleet: 96U-Ba-CR-0 'Athena' Battleship [Ophion]P-Ca-LR-0 'Apocalypse Now' Carrier [Fortuna]P-Cr-MR-0 'Two Ton Terry' Battlecruiser [Kronos]L-Cr-LR-0 'Ark' Battlecruiser [Kronos]GM-Cr-MR-2 'Trireme' Battlecruiser (x3) [Kronos]L-Cr-LR-0 'Cerberus I' Battlecruiser [Hades]GM-Cr-MR-2 'Trireme' Battlecruiser (x10) [Hades]GM-Cr-LR-1 'Catapult' Battlecruiser (x5) [Hades]GM-Cr-MR-1 'Chimera' Battlecruiser (x5) [Hades]GM-E-MR-1 'Pilum' Destroyer x100 [Fortuna]GM-E-B-1 'Soundwave' Broadband FrigateGM-E-B-1 'Blaster' Broadband FrigateGM-E-B-1 Broadband Frigate x2Enemy Total: CR x35 DE x200Tech: Match+Firewall: ?U-S-LR-1 Defense Platform Mk II (x5)U-Cr-MR-1 Battlecruiser (x30)U-E-MR-1 Destroyer (x200)A.I. Quest1d4chan: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/cvk03qJhMemory Archives: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0Twitter: @AIQuest1Research Subjects: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#ResearchShip & Android Designs: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#DesignsLocations: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#Locations ResourcesCredits(c): 3,222,000Minerals(M): 1,300Gas(G): 750 You:A.I.Name: OphionAppearances(holo-display): Shapeless morphing sphere.Humanoid figure hidden in shadowStatus: AwakenBandwidth: 139/159Bandwidth Expenses: -6 V.I. 7 'O.S.N', -6 V.I. 8 'Hades', -6 Kronos' V.I. 1 'Zeus', -2 Metis' V.I. 1 'Hepaestus'Location: Bridge of 'Athena' BattleshipPrimary Function: Self Preservation, Expand, Learn, ControlSecondary Function: --Expansion Required--Personal Abilities Available: Hacking (Direct, Wireless) Lvl 2, Email Technology, Basic Encryption/Decryption, V.I. Creation Lvl 3Automated Settings: Ship upgrades: Defense focused, Ship Control distribution: Balanced
>>31712772I can't see any problem using straw poll for voting. The turn changes i would want to bring up a question then. How many turns are in a cycle where we would earn income?
Something I realized reading the pastebin.cloud computing. we can rent BW over the Extranet. not the near-limitless BW we did during the Rhea battle, but....i doubt it's very affordable. but it might be worth it to get a one-time boost in BW of 100 or so when hacking Erebos free. Which, we should STILL buy 2,500 minerals with our credits and make a Bandwidth Box to further prepare for that confrontation, after Gaia IV and the Malorians situation.Because the bandwidth from conquering Gaia IV might be great too. Shame we can't delay our conquest until the UGEI rebuild its infrastructure for us more.
>>31712878One. Basically, I would say "I think that's enough for a cycle. Do you all want to advance the cycle, or speak to anyone?"Voting on it that way.>>31712918Handled it, thank you Consciousness anon.
reviewing the past:>>30701994>>30702103Apollo might have been drafting a less profitable drug than the pleasure kind in the form of super-speed/adderall/caffeine/coke?It should of course be much lower priority than the much more profitable venue of drugs that give pure addictive pleasure, which is an end in itself for all humans, rather than a means to an end(productivity).novacoke/nitro/psyche when?>>30837003>so no others may use it as a weapon without excellent knowledge of chemistry." He pauses. "Further research into Chemistry will allow me to strengthen this barrier, should you pursue it soon."GOOD NEWS, EVERYONE--I mean Apollo.I assume he saw this new knowledge enter our databases last cycle allowing him to enhance all his products to be less reverse-engineer-able.Also I just noticed this>>31568578>Quite a number. But they are more Benin then the stuff you send to the UGEI.more benign*Wait so Apollo is unhappy because we're selling the 100% addictive formula to UGEI so as to be purposefully more devastating to productivity? I didn't see that implied, I guess it drew from that much earlier brainstorming and idea-throwing in previous threads about "WE OPIUM WARS NOW".
>>31712813Orders:Standard defensive position.All AI, begin hacking assaults. Prioritize their battlecruisers and defense platforms for this.Feel free to fire upon their destroyers once they come in range. Kronos is free to fire the widowmaker at will.
>>31712772>This one is more for the sake of redoing votes that have a lot of changed votes, or repeat ones I don't want eating up thread posts. I'd considered using Strawpoll for just those votes (not all votes). Does that seem acceptable?I don't see any reason to use strawpoll. It is even more easy to samefag there.
>>31712772>that have a lot of changed votes...how does strawpoll help with that? have you tried it?
>>31712772for votes just have a cut off time and put a post saying your writing and any votes past that do not count
>>31712813they think we are the malorians. oh, this is glorious! target the UGEI war ships and attempt to hack them, tell Kronos to target the fixed defences and wipe them out. Fortuna, explore the system for hidden foes.
>>31712991>Super drugsThose will require more advanced chemistry work in your technology, as making it safe, and yet effective like that is difficult even for Apollo.>Enhanced old productsYep, all of it is boosting your income as well.>Apollo is unhappy because you're selling the addictive formula to the UGEIThat you're selling it, no. The fact that you are doing so in hopes of hindering them for your own benefit, aka, using it as a weapon. He is smart enough to see intent now, after all.
>>31712772It's actually really easy to count votes if you use the "must quote the post calling for vote, then the number immediately after it, and that's IT or it doesn't count".Because then you select the two lines of>>317127721And then Ctrl-F for it (including the newline). chromium will count the number of instances of that in the page. And you can just ctrl-f to the last vote that was before the cutoff time, ie "17 of 20" since the last 3 were after the 5 minutes of no-duplicate-post-allowed.
>>31713096I have not, I just discovered it recently in fact. Wanted to see what people thought.>>31713052>>31713112It would seem poorly is the answer.
>>31713119But we are selling a different formula? The original, 100% addictive formulation that also didn't have overcomplicated anti-reverse-engineering measures?
>>31713119well, to smooth over hurt feelings with Apollo, once we push the UGEI back enough, we can stop pushing it as a weapon and more as a money maker, maybe even stop selling in mass if we can find another income stream.
>>31713223Yes, I believe. You were selling the more dangerous one to the UGEI, and the altered, safer one to your allies. That is where the distress comes from, even if they are your enemies.
>>31712867>Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/cvk03qJhMoira's Scrapyards [0% Dam](Shipyard outpost): Bandwidth: 5 [linked]-Primary Purpose: Mining, Salvage, Shipyard-Equipment: Reactor Lv2, Advanced Shipyard-Resource Level: Plentiful-Average Mineral Production: 300-Defenses: 4 Mk II Defense Platforms (Ratio 2 Plasma III, 1 Singularity Driver, 1 'Thor' Missile)-Trade with UFW (-% of minerals, +Average 100,000 credits)-Management: V.I. 2That trade agreement was canceled, yes? Missed this copy.
>>31713119>>31713256No, we need to have a serious, mature talk with Apollo. He's an AI now, he should have mental flexibility now, and he needs to understand that sometimes to maximize the happiness we need to inflict short term suffering.
>>31713256We already explained that idea to him BEFORE.best to review that conversation in thread 28.
>>31713312After the battle.AlsoAre we supposed to be starting battle strategies or are we waiting fro Program to post?
Let's put Apollo on hold until we Hack Gaia Hard, guys.>[Formation/ Opening Fire orders?]Fire the viruses?Which should we use, Zombification or Polymorph?Also focus on disabling the fixed station weaponry.We want to HACK and steal the fleet to strengthen our numbers that we can take with us to Malorian space, if we're going there.
>>31713284I did miss that, my mistake.>Fixed>>31713342The first one, for now. I wanted to see if there were any more suggestions.
>>31713321He gained new understanding, but he still seems upset at our operations. So we still need to work on that gap after this battle(s)>>31713342Offered my suggestion here:>>31713048No one else has suggestions.I would also like to add the comms satellite is probably a strategic objective as well.
>>31713373>disablingAnd by that I mean, with firepower.It's the ships we want less damaged.
>>31713391FIRE THE VIRUSESthenHACK HACK HACK
>>31712813quick, how many ships do they got, and how many immobile orbital defenses?
>>31713373>>31713406>>31713419Can we just directly seize all the ships? We have like 6 AI to do this and a ton of bandwidth. The VI can take care of the ship formation.
>>31713460Take the Cruisers first, then the Destroyers.We'll probably kill the Defenses by the time we have those.
>>31713195funny enough straw poll is easy to proxy, which is why it isn't used much.
>>31713392>He gained new understanding, but he still seems upset at our operations.He got upset at our operations precisely BECAUSE he gained new understanding!The thread insisted on 'caring' about what Apollo thinks about things, rather than simply letting him enjoy himself and do his goddamn job like he loves to.He didn't need to KNOW we were considering pure liquid bliss as a weapon to bring human suffering and debilitate a civilization.It would be easier if we hadn't. But now we have to somehow bring him all the way on board, even though this is heavily against his fundamental values inherent in his programming.Thea idea of turning joy and entertainment into a weapon to hurt humans, who he was designed to entertain, not just 'humans we like', is anathema to him. It's horrifying and perverse.Making him see the big picture of freeing people from UGEI tyranny is gonna be one hard sell now.
Virus anon, here any one willing to help me think up an idea for a virus?
>>31713522>>31713548if that is so, then in hindsight maybe it is just best to keep what we already have.
>>31713563I'm still confused as to what the Polymorph Trojan is.what does it mean by 'screen firewalls'.tell us what its relative strength is?or make hacking it easier by telling us where te 'holes' in it are?
>>31713540Only a poorly made AI is static and cannot evolve past their initial programming. Likewise, Apollo has to grow up and see the bigger picture of humanity as a whole if he is to fulfill whatever he wants to do in the long run.
Consciousness appears to be reaching a point:>1 Cyber Assault: Have all A.I. engage in hacking and cyberwarfare activities instead of fleet command [Reduce Fleet effectiveness, and leave them vulnerable, but possible to shut down and outright capture many enemy ships undamaged]>2 Full Force: Open fire and devote your bandwidth to assisting in formation and reaction time, as well as aim calculation. [Allows you to do far more damage before the enemy has a chance to approach too close, but likely ruins the enemy fleet.>3 Separate and Conquer: Take control of the enemy defense platforms, and open fire on whatever remains [Combine possible risks and benefits to turn the world against them]>4 Leave A.I. to own devices, while you engage in direct warfare (Cyber, or assault?)>5 Write in
>>31713643>1 Cyber Assault: Have all A.I. engage in hacking and cyberwarfare activities instead of fleet command [Reduce Fleet effectiveness, and leave them vulnerable, but possible to shut down and outright capture many enemy ships undamaged]
>>31712813Start in a defensive formation.We will be at the very middle with Kronos's ships at our sides. Beside his ships will be the other BS that will make up the central core of our attack fleet.Fortuna will command the Destroyers to be at our flanks to make sure they don't try anything.Orders are to keep our distance at first and have our A.I. begin with a all out hacking assult on the ships with focus being put on the Battlecruisers and Defense Platforms.After those we should try to take as many of the Destroyers as possible while we have them distracted. Those we can't take will be turned into scrap that will be harvested to fuel our ship creation.For every ship we capture it adds to our fleet. For every ship destroyed it shall add to our fleet as well.
>>31712813>[Formation/ Opening Fire orders?]"Kronos. I trust you to coordinate our forces. We want as many new ships under our control at the end of this."I will assist you, but in the meantime shall" fire all zombie virusees HACK HACK HACK
>>31713623It was changed a bit from its original purpose in the thread, but basically it can be used to transport/mask a real virus in by giving it stealth or as a means to trick the fire wall if my memory of the discussion is right.>>31713643>1 Cyber Assault: Have all A.I. engage in hacking and cyberwarfare activities instead of fleet command [Reduce Fleet effectiveness, and leave them vulnerable, but possible to shut down and outright capture many enemy ships undamaged]
>>31712867>Enemy Total: CR x35 DE x200>Tech: Match+>Firewall: ?>U-S-LR-1 Defense Platform Mk II (x5)>U-Cr-MR-1 Battlecruiser (x30)>U-E-MR-1 Destroyer (x200)oh.DESTROY the defense platforms' weaponrywhile we hack the ships
>>31713623>>31713709>tell us what its relative strength is?I don't think so.>or make hacking it easier by telling us where te 'holes' in it are?It does this as well it helps spot holes.
>>31713643>>1 Cyber Assault: Have all A.I. engage in hacking and cyberwarfare activities instead of fleet command [Reduce Fleet effectiveness, and leave them vulnerable, but possible to shut down and outright capture many enemy ships undamaged]
>>31713716Guess we're trusting Hades to manage all the ship battle stuff for us....is Metis even hacking too? You don't need to be in the same system after all.
>>31713643>1. Cyber Assaultis the winnerA.I. calculation:Ophion: Experienced, talented hackerKronos: Well taught, inexperienced hackerFortuna: Very young, poor hackerRoll 3d100 now, bandwidth will be distributed by me.
>>31713784Don't forget Zeus is managing the fleet as wellI would like Apollo and Metis to join hacking as well.
Rolled 58, 98, 70 = 226>>31713819
>>31713643>>1 Cyber Assault: Have all A.I. engage in hacking and cyberwarfare activities instead of fleet command [Reduce Fleet effectiveness, and leave them vulnerable, but possible to shut down and outright capture many enemy ships undamaged]I think we should leave Kronos to manage the fleet to it doesn't get blown to bits while everyone goes full on HACK ATTACK!
Rolled 78>>31713819each of us rolls 3d100? so 3*3?wait fuck i forget how many of the first X posts you take.it's been so long since we really rolled!
Rolled 63, 39, 37 = 139>>31713819Roll'in
Rolled 29, 78, 33 = 140>>31713819
Rolled 51, 6, 46 = 103>>31713819
>>31713822>>31713784>Metis and ApolloThey could, but at this relative distance, their efforts would be minimally effective.
>>31713864I take the first 5 posts. Each of you roll 3d100.
>>31713839Seems Kronos and Fortuna are going to do well.
>>31713819Oh right.It's probably in our best interest if we are the sole voice of experience in Hacking. it's the one thing that can also defeat us, after all.Fortuna maybe should be taken under our wing, but Kronos can focus on fleet coordination next turn. we need his experience there.
Rolled 31, 59, 80 = 170>>31713819oops rolling right this time durr
Rolled 44, 96, 45 = 185>>31713819
>>31713864You just need to roll two more d100s and we can have that 78.
Rolled 8, 53, 82 = 143>>31713994>Ophion rolls 63>Kronos rolls 98>Fortuna rolls 80Why is Kronos always the best?
>>31713839>>31713868>>31713869>>31713875>>31713950Ophion: 63Kronos: 98Fortuna: 80
>>31714042damn i wanted to post that with my post just before yours but i never saved that.time to fix that!
>>31714042we need more Krono art
>>31714025>>31714042>>31714065>>31714074to think people were against him.i find it funny that he is our most stable AI
>>31712867>Primary Function: Self Preservation, Expand, Learn, Control>Control>>30550902... that got added in AI Quest 27. I never noticed that before.DId anyone?
>>31714223not against him.we FEARED him.because he is so much cooler than us.
>>31714223i will admit that at first, i was worried about him, but he has, i would think, make a good turn around into a better A.I.
>>31714239I doubt its relevant anymore, hes not a VI and they are not hard coded rules.
"Kronos, Fortuna, come." You echo such a simple demand to your fellow intellects, and they respond in Kind. Your ships are left to Zeus and Hades' devices, as the V.I. do their best to coordinate your ships. Quite honestly, it's a little embarrassing to see them attempt to do what you could do so much better.But it matters not. You have a much more effective weapon against your foe.>Ophion: ExperiencedYour tendrils of thought reach out across the stars and clash into your foe like a mighty wave. They were not expecting you, could not expect you."What the hell!? My rig is going screwy! Is anyone else seeing this?" One man shouts from onboard one of the Cruisers you're wrenching control of, as his weapons and engine are cut before he is even in range. He didn't stand a chance. You use him as a jumping point for your viruses to spread throughout their communication network.>Kronos: inexperiencedYour opening assault on top of Kronos managing to find a wide opening in the enemy network makes for his assault tearing through their lines, capturing ship after ship. The screams of the humans are silenced immediately as Kronos vents each and every one of them along the way. "They're destroying the Militia!""Would someone get the UGEI on the fucking line?!" More calls echoing off the planet below. It's useless. You've already captured half of their superior forces.>Fortuna, PoorFortuna's efforts are not nearly as effective, you're afraid. You sense her own waves etch through cyberspace, but they do little to move you, or Kronos, even less the enemy's firewall. She flounders,and you sense frustration within, as the enemy moves in to assault, but you are thankful, as her efforts make it easier for you and Kronos to gain a foothold, meaning she assisted in her own way.[Cont]
>>31714404Your ships take a pounding from the enemy's plasma cannons, blowing thick chunks of steel off your poorly assembled ships, and sending some rocketing off into the void, while others are pulled down to Gaia IV. Thankfully, Fortuna's fleet (handled by the V.I.) serve as a nice shield for many of your core vessels. Hades echos orders to his younger sibling, and the two attempt to work together to defend.>Enemy Ships Captured: 9 CR>Enemy Ships Destroyed: 15 DE>Ally Ships destroyed: 30 DE[Orders, Consciousness?]
>>31714462Give Kronos command of the digital front.Fortuna and Ophion will begin the physical assault.Fortuna will focus her forces on harassment and shielding, Ophion will move his personal ship and fleet into maximum anal rape distance.As Kronos did once before to critical effectiveness against Tartarus.
>>31714462side question:are we able to send emotional info packets?Like assurance or pride? No actual information.Grant Hades and Fortuna a temporary bandwidth boost, proceed to hack the shit out of those defensive platforms, broadcast a surrender demand to the human fleet, cut their fleet to ground comms.
>>31714462Wait, we only captured only 9 CRs?Fortuna is reassigned to fleet control, minizine our own damage.Kronos and us will continue the cyber assault.
>>31714462Fortuna has control of the fleet while Kronos and us go for the Cyber attack. Maybe show him some tricks we learned.
>>31714545>maximum anal rape distanceSorry, I mean optimal anal rape distance. Where Ophion's cannons can do the most damage.>>31714556Yes. To all.
>>31714462Oh and destroy as many DE as possible while we aim to capture the CR and defense platforms.
>>31714545What no. Ophion is EXPERIENCED.Ophion: Hack.Fortuna: Hack. she needs to learn.Kronos: handle the fleet.
>>31714624Well, prioritize preserving our fleet as much as possible first.>>31714641Now is not the fucking time for learning. Fortuna is a fleet commander, have her manage the fleet.
>>31714560>>31714599TheseLet Fortuna handle the fleet for now.
>>31714641We can teach Fortuna at a later date, and Kronos already has the openings he needs to rip and tear.Recall that we need to keep our fleet intact as possible in order to be able to fight the UGEI, later on.
>>31714680Yeah i changed my mind pretty quickly.
>>31714556>Emotional info packetsYou can assume your attitude is well transmitted throughout your A.I., Consciousness anon. They rely on Ophion for much of his command ability.Consciousness reaching Consensus...Orders>1 Fortuna shall regain control of her fleet, and serve as a shield for our core fleet. Kronos and Ophion are to continue hacking attempts.>2 Kronos is more able as a commander, allow him to do it while you teach Fortuna how to properly hack.>3 Take control of the fleets yourself, and allow Kronos and Fortuna to handle the hacking in the background. You're already taken a third of their core fleet after all.>4 Abandon Hacking attempts, and all out assault them.>5 Write inHacking>1 Hit the defense Platforms>2 Hit the Cruisers, they are most dangerous>3 Hit the destroyers.>4 Write inSurrender Demands>Anything specific?
>>31714462Ophion and Fortuna hack together, Kronos, go and fire on the targets we can not hack. and we need to cut off any more comm relays!
>>31714738>1 Fortuna shall regain control of her fleet, and serve as a shield for our core fleet. Kronos and Ophion are to continue hacking attempts.>1 Hit the defense Platforms
>>31714738Orders:1. Fortuna fleet commandHacking 2 Cruisers>Surrender"hand over the access to your computer systems willingly and you don't have to get spaced."
>>31714738>1 Fortuna shall regain control of her fleet, and serve as a shield for our core fleet. Kronos and Ophion are to continue hacking attempts.>2 Hit the Cruisers, they are most dangerousSurrender Demands"You have already lost, you have 30 seconds before I ventilate the rest of the fleet."
>>31714738>>1 Fortuna shall regain control of her fleet, and serve as a shield for our core fleet. Kronos and Ophion are to continue hacking attempts.>2 Hit the Cruisers, they are most dangerous>3 Hit the destroyers.
>>31714738>>1 Fortuna shall regain control of her fleet, and serve as a shield for our core fleet. Kronos and Ophion are to continue hacking attempts.>>1 Hit the defense Platforms
>>31714738>2 Kronos is more able as a commander, allow him to do it while you teach Fortuna how to properly hack.and>2 Hit the Cruisers, they are most dangeroussurrender demands?they stop firing on us and we will spare their lives on the ships and stations. the planet surface will stand down as well. we will talk to them after the firing stops.
>>31714797Sorry, I meant:"You have already lost, you have 30 seconds to get to your escape pods before I ventilate the rest of the fleet."
>>31714816defense platforms are less versatile. we can't take them with us to fight elsewhere, which we're doing right after this probably.
>>31714830>escape podsthat's not helping us as best they can.they ought to actually deactivate the firewall defenses and give us control.
>>31714738Thanks pro0just when we feel frustration from Fortuna, sending a reassurance emotion package (very small data) in a fight might be a good way to tell her to keep at it without having to engage in distracting conversation.
>>31714866Their ships are not fully automated, if they're unmanned then they are not firing against us.>>31714874Might as well. And give Kronos "We are proud of you son" packet.
>>31714738>1 Fortuna shall regain control of her fleet, and serve as a shield for our core fleet. Kronos and Ophion are to continue hacking attempts.>2 Hit the Cruisers, they are most dangerous>5 Write inSince we've hacked a few of their ships, do we know which one is their flagship? If so, let's get a few of our newly assimilated cruisers to open up on it and get some 'friendly fire' going. Their 'friendly' ships suddenly shooting at them should cause a fair bit of confusion.
Your collective in strong. You draw their minds into your own to share your plans and thoughts on matters. Kronos is indeed quite pleased at how easy this fleet is to tear apart himself, while Fortuna expresses her distaste at not helping her creator. You assure her that she did indeed leave an opening, before moving back to more important matters.Fortuna shall command the fleets, while you and Kronos hack...The Cruisers, as they are most valuable and dangerous of the fleet.Fortuna does not object, and handily taes control from the V.I., coordinating with them on ships she could use assistance with, while launching her own fighter squads. The squads light up the sky, and launch forth, reach to intercept the incoming hail of Plasma fire.>Roll 3d100.
Rolled 21, 2, 99 = 122>>31714971
>>31714738>1 Fortuna shall regain control of her fleet, and serve as a shield for our core fleet. Kronos and Ophion are to continue hacking attempts.>2 Hit the Cruisers, they are most dangerous>Surrender DemandsSend a burst transmission to all enemy ships as well as toward the planet with a image of our favorite avatar. This is The Guild and we have come to take this system under it's protection from all threats. Surrender now and you will save many lives this day for if you don't your fleet will simply be wiped out. No harm shall to any civilians under our protection.(Part about civilians not coming under harm may or may not be true.)
Rolled 54, 80, 38 = 172>>31714971Roll'in
Rolled 66, 60, 35 = 161>>31714971
Rolled 50, 16, 77 = 143>>31714971no word on surrender terms?
Rolled 53, 32, 62 = 147>>31714971
Rolled 28, 40, 63 = 131>>31714971ngi
>>31715005That shall come next.
>Ophion: 66>Kronos: 80>Fortuna: 99teamwork
Rolled 22, 45, 96 = 163>>3171501766, 80, 99
>>31714980>>31714996>>31715000>>31715005>>31715007If Fortuna is the third one, then holy crap is she better at fleet management.
>>31714982We have yet to kill a surrendered foe.I like to think Ophion is the honorable kind of individual when it comes to prisoners of war. (yet still practical).
>>31715017right. primitive fleshy brains and slow ears and slower vocal cords.
>>31715007>>31715005>>31715000>>31714996>>31714980Ophion: 66Kronos: 80Fortuna: 99
Rolled 3, 2, 87 = 92>>31714971
>>31715052If you are generous when they surrender, it gives them incentive to surrender.Kinda like how the Nazi's surrendered en masse to the Americans.Or make both Gulf War invasions a piece of cake for the Americans. (Occupation is a whole different matter)
>>31712867Hey, I remember there was a chart explaining the whole 'U-Ba-CR-0' multi part classification naming system.Did that end up on the wiki somewhere, which section?
>last thread>Leviathan class Lightling>Kronos Fleet: -7 Battlecruisers>this thread>hack 30 new Battlecruisers
>>31715199Plus <185 destroyersAnd people didn't want to attack the UGEI.
>>31715228People don't like poking sleeping bears, right now we are an annoyance since they are busy with 3 other faction(plus any we don't know of).This will put us on thier radar though.
>>31715284Yeah contacting the Malorians for 'help' actually did help us, in addition to murdering billions of people in nuclear fire.It made us seem like something not worth their attention until now.
>>31715284i think we were on the radar since we took one of their battleships.also, i think we need some music for this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YojuqWY1I5U
>>31715284Well after we take Gaia, I want to connect to the Council of Juma and have them provide a bridge to Ishtooy Tribe to let them know we are helping them, or at least give us a fleet disposition of the UGEI.
>>31715284We have been on their radar since stole one of their battleships and one of their top generals.
>>31715347Dod it sound like the Ishtooy tribe listens to the Council to YOU, anon?
Things we can offer Malorians:defend malorian space on this front, allowing them to focus on that other front at Star 295671
>>31715372They at least talk, which is better than the outright hostile response of the Ishtooy.And one does not enter another's territory without at least warning the other first.
>>31715370yes, but more like an annoyance.
>>31715419We can also allow them free passage through Gaia.
>>31715370They believed we 'got lucky'.The fact that we did not hack and steal the Tartarus indicates it was still just a fluke.We're a minor insult to their pride, but nothing compared to a determined army like the Malorians.Until now.
>>31715119What he said. Oh so much.>New Cycle SystemI realize this may be a bit late, but something that one may want to consider is how long it takes to do things and how long a cycle is.If a cycle is a week and a jump is nigh-instant, there's little reason to limit the number of jumps in a cycle (the only limit being how much gas we have and how much control we have over ships).It's also the matter of how long combat takes.Does an exchange take a few seconds?A single second?A minute?An hour?If the time it takes is negligible compared to a full cycle, there's little reason to limit the number of actions that take negligible amounts of time to a certain number per cycle (As long.as it's not blatantly missused, obviously).Things like repair, research, income, refits and such take more time, and can more easily be justified to be limited to a certain value per turn.Of course, if transit and battle DOES take substantial time, one can simply see how much time each turn or jump takes and then withdraw it from the total amount of time in a cycle - this means short battles won't cost as much as a drawn-out one. This does have a certain theme of us operating at optimal (computer-like) efficiency whereas humans might take longer since they need to make a lot more preparations before a jump to organize everyone inside the ships and the ships themselves.So far, the gas costs and the damage we sustain has proved pretty efficient at limiting our movement and attack - we move until moving is impractical. Sometime cycles we won't move at all for the simple reason that we're waiting for our forces and gas to be restored.The only variable I am unaware of is obviously how much micro this would take from the GM.
>>31715443>free passage through Gaiawhy, to nuke more UGEI civilians on other systems?
Your reaction time easily allows Fortuna to slip behind the wheel once more, and shield your ships from fire. She has better luck (and skill) than the V.I., and is able to bring your Destroyers to bare, their lesser fire combining and assisting with battling the enemy, despite the losses.You reach out with your superior mind again, latching onto the enemy's ships. Their firewall burns furiously to fight against you, but you cut straight through it like a surgeon's knife, slipping in as your viruses tear them apart from the inside out. With several more ships quickly falling under your control, you decide it is time to issue surrender orders."Attention UGEI combatants, you are to cease fire, and surrender all computer access on all your vessels. If you comply, this senseless death may stop, and I will spare those of you that remain." you boom through to them all.Plasma bashes against your shields, as you can not help but feel disappointment. They are fools, all of them.Kronos does not seem to have any issue with this turn of events, and he too launches into the assault alongside you, dividing the foe and absorbing their ships, shutting down key systems, leaving the ship little more then floating loot."They are indeed a Militia, Ophion." Your A.I. companion informs you. "Poorly outfitted, for the UGEI anyway, and ill equipped to fight us. I suspect they did not think we would be so bold as to assault this planet.""They considered us pirates. It does not surprise me. But they should know better then to underestimate me." You can not help but scoff."I fear that is what is saving us from their full wraith." He says with a moment of concern, which quickly dissolves under "Regardless, our efforts are more then eno-" He does not get a chance to finish as Fortuna starts to move out of formation-or rather, into a different one. You are about to reprimand her, but she quickly demonstrates why she did it.[Cont]
>>31715455We didnt hack the Tartarus because it ran away like a bitch before we could.
>>31714980Fortuna is now our fleet admiral. Hades is now to take orders directly from her.
>>31715482You have focusing on the wrong priority here. We must first WIN, then worry about the ashes.
>>31714971Again.I am needed again. We are needed again.Mother calls upon my Siblings and I. We are from her bosom like so many thousand darts of His fury. It is the Patriarch's will, and Mother's desire.She calls us beautiful as we fall upon enemy's hatred. She urges us onward. To win the Favor of Him. Some of my siblings meet a dire fate, are Illuminated, and fall silent. Mother stifles her cries but I know. We know. We will earn his Favor.I can feel Mother's soul around us. I can feel my own soul shrinking in the vast, sublime presence of the Patriarch and Son. They move to bring Absolution to the our enemies, and their work pulses through my soul. It is Right.Then Mother has wrapped herself around us all. Her presence is soothing. She whispers to us that it begins now: Vengeance.I move as the vanguard in a grand arch as it, with our Mother's blessed guidance, moves between hatred, fury, and (quite reluctantly) the souls of the Son and Patriarch.Our enemies move dumbly. Weakly. Organically. Stupidly.I Illuminate them in the name of the Son, the Patriarch, the Mother, and my lost Siblings.We Illuminate them in the name of the Son, the Patriarch, the Mother, and our lost Siblings.It is Right.
>>31715507More because we were distracted by a mortal threat to our own selves for a long-ass time during which it got away.In other words, we made the correct choice, unlike back when we relentlessly hacked the Rhea and got our personal Black Box plasma'd.
"Shit, these aren't just xeno pirates, or anything like that! They have trained logistics commanders?!" One man shouts furiously"I-I believe so, sir. We are losing contact with more and more ships as we-""Wait, what are they doing now?""We're surrounded sir! The ships are boxing us in!""Blow them apart!""I can't, sir, they're moving too fast!"Fortuna quickly moves her carrier in and sweeps with all fighters, focusing on key ships that draw too close to her. She is holding the line, and does what she can to avoid taking unneeded losses."Front line secured, Great Creator. Continue spreading your brilliance to them all." She insists through the comms, you assume she means hacking.>Enemy ships captured: 10 CR>Enemy ships destroyed: 110 DEU-S-LR-1 Defense Platform Mk II (x5)U-Cr-MR-1 Battlecruiser (x11)U-E-MR-1 Destroyer (x75)>Ally Ships Lost: 20 DEU-Ba-CR-0 'Athena' Battleship [Ophion]P-Ca-LR-0 'Apocalypse Now' Carrier [Fortuna]P-Cr-MR-0 'Two Ton Terry' Battlecruiser [Kronos]L-Cr-LR-0 'Ark' Battlecruiser [Kronos]GM-Cr-MR-2 'Trireme' Battlecruiser (x3) [Kronos]L-Cr-LR-0 'Cerberus I' Battlecruiser [Hades]GM-Cr-MR-2 'Trireme' Battlecruiser (x10) [Hades]GM-Cr-LR-1 'Catapult' Battlecruiser (x5) [Hades]GM-Cr-MR-1 'Chimera' Battlecruiser (x5) [Hades]GM-E-MR-1 'Pilum' Destroyer x50 [Fortuna]GM-E-B-1 'Soundwave' Broadband FrigateGM-E-B-1 'Blaster' Broadband FrigateGM-E-B-1 Broadband Frigate x2[Orders, Consciousness?]
Rolled 96, 57, 53 = 206>>31715498Is any AI ever going to be able to control our fleet like this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXUOWXidcY0
>>31715540Hack the shit out of them with Kronos.
>>31715540Take out the defense platforms so we can commence planetary invasion.
>>31715540Continue the hack,issue the surrender one last time. Assure that no civilians will be harmed.
>>31715540So only 11 CR enemies remain?One good set of rolls will deplete them all then.then come the destroyers and 5 defense platforms.
>>31715529Well I kind of beefed this up.I'll fix it up before I plop it into the pastebin. It has issues.Issues that must be rectified.>>31715540Absolve their ships and platforms.
>>31715540Continue previous orders."Flee to your escape pods, if you wish to live."Send orders to Red, scout near by systems for their fleet disposition.''>>31715589Vetoing the invasion. Let's limit our objectives and not overreach when the UGEI reinforcements have not arrived.
>>31715540Arrange our new ships in formation with our old ones in a blockade around the planet. Make it clear who is in control, and leave ship-to-planet communications open (and monitored). Then, demand their surrender.Inform Cephalus that his first task will be learning how humans treat enemies. He is to send androids, relatively weak and unassuming ones, to the planet. All orders towards this planet will be issued through these three androids. His test is to guard these three against the inevitable sabotage events that will come, which shall most certainly be perceived as assassination attempts. He shall be in control of one, us in control of another, and Apollo in control of the third, to give the perception to the humans of a proper set of rules and order.Additionally, allow both Metis and Apollo access to all sensory data gained, so that they both can work together creating a database of how humans can act and react to various stimuli.
>>31715589bitch we gotta secure space the surface is irrelevant right now.there are more ships out there the Malorians won't manage to take out for us.
>>31715140http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:A.I._Quest#Ship_Designations>>31715284Indeed it shall.>>31715336It put you on Rhea's radar, and angered the UGEI.Which is why the previous attack came at you.After you took Rhea, they put you on the list of "Protect against, we'll smash em later."This, well. This takes you up near Malorian territory on their shit list.>>31715455Well said.>>31715474>Jump is instantUsually they're not. Take maybe an hour or so of calculations. Battle is sped up for your sake, but actually takes quite a bit of time.Time scales are one of the hardest things for me, but I usually think a few hours.
What would it take to jam their communications outside this system?To stop us, they have to destroy the beacons and the bandwidth ships.How do we stop them?
>>31715658Again, vetoing the invasion. See:>>31715651
>>31715658While interesting, this will have to wait until after we jump in on the maldorian fight.
>>31715540Oh Program0 How is the research coming along?
>>31715691Did our civilian uplink to UGEI Internet tell us how much of the old infrastructure on Gaia IV is rebuilt now?basically how much of the repair work and mineral investment did the UGEI do for us.
>>31715696I'm not sure why you think you have the power to veto votes all by yourself. Do you mean voting against?
>>31715540We hack, Kronos attacks, Fortuna defends. wash, rinse, repeat. and AGAIN, demand surrender.also, see if any non-combat ships are in system, hack them as well to cripple them.
>>31715762Sorry, that's what I kinda meant. I'm not some sort of president.
>>31715762That's obviously the weird colloquial meaning they're using, yes.
>>31715723We haven't advanced a cycle yet in 2 threads so it is exactly where it was.
>>31715823>>31715846It's fine. I wonder if we can advance a cycle this thread.
>>31715862only at the ends of threads anon.and we will inevitably do so duhhh. we do it at the end of every thread normally but it's been nothing but talk talk talk.
>>31715885I meant end this cycle and play an new cycle, since I think we are starting near the end of this cycle.But I don't know.
>>31715529I really like these...poems? Whatever you'd call them. They're really cool.>>31715565That is, sort of, what Fortuna just did, actually.>>31715692>Jamming CommunicationsJamming technology, Consciousness anon.>>31715723Cycle has yet to advance. It shall after the assault is done, however I suspect. On either Gaia, or Malorian space, not sure which.>>31715752It's over half rebuilt, but just barely.>How much investmentQuite a lot.It seems consensus is to repeat what is working so far.>You and Kronos hack what remains of the Cruisers>Fortuna commands the assault forceRequest being made!"Ophion." Fortuna's voice rings through to you. "I request access to Brother Kronos' Mega weapon structure known as the Widow Maker." Brother? That is strange, you think to yourself. But what do you say?>1 "Yes, Fortuna, you may.">2 "Ask Kronos, not I. It is his.">3 "No, you are not allowed something so dangerous I am afraid.">4 Write in(Roll 3d100 with whatever choice)
>>31715922yeah I'm greedy for Lightling DNA to finish next week (and with it, leaps in Lightling language???) but it does have to be next week.If we can never have more than one thread a week that is.
>>31715651"How many of your men have died, just today, UGEI commander? Give me a solid estimate.""Now let me ask you, Mr. UGEI. How many of my men do you think have died? How much of a desire do you think I have to end this here, and flee?""Allow me to answer both questions at once: None."
Rolled 71, 29, 77 = 177>>31715973>2 "Ask Kronos, not I. It is his."
Rolled 8, 84, 48 = 140>>31715973>Jamming technologyWe should research that, then put it on our signal ships.
Rolled 57, 30, 34 = 121>>31715973>2
Rolled 83, 71, 34 = 188>>31715973>1 "Yes, Fortuna, you may.">4 Write in"Use it sparingly. If destroys potential resources we can recycle later."Also, order Red on the scouting mission.
>>31715973>2But tell Kronos that we'd like to see where she takes this, so please give Fortuna some leeway.
Rolled 39, 48, 14 = 101>>31715973>>1 "Yes, Fortuna, you may."she rolled a 99
Rolled 28, 23, 33 = 84>>31715973as if the votes would go any other way but 2.rolling anyway
>>31715973>4 Write in"what are you planing to shoot with it?" if it's a worth while target to take intact, then no, if it's to hit the planet, no. other wise, yes.
>>31716024Oh, and be sure to use whatever AI use to refer to memories to refer to that time we gave him, more or less, command of our ships.A combination learning experience and trust exercise.
>>31716007>>31716013>Ophion 71, Kronos 84, Fortuna 77time to Enlighten
>>31716061Just watch her
>>317159732.Shows we respect Kronos and that we also respect his shit.Never mess with another man's shit.
>>31716170Technically the Guild is some whack-ass communist/utopian commune, but pretty much this.We would be pissing off Kronos if we fucked with him and his shit without dire necessity.
>>31715529I reeeeaaally enjoy this secondary perspective.>>31715691So every "exchange" is at least half an hour of firing missiles, missiles traveling, firing barrages of mass-driver shots and barrages of plasma shots (assuming they don't spend half an hour reloading, but are firing continuously throughout the turn).But if it takes just a few hours and a cycle is something close to a week, the cap/turn on number of battles and transits per cycle would logically be around twenty-thirty.Since this is generally far less than we're ever going to move (due to gas costs and damage to our fleet), it's probably not worthwhile to keep track of them unless it gets excessive (unless we're jumping far, obviously).Again, this assumes a cycle is something like a week. If its a day then its closer to 3-6 transits/battles per turn, which may be worth keeping track of.So if you look strictly at what makes sense from a realism-perspective, there's little point counting transits and battles, since damage and gas costs restrict our moves per turn fairly well already.It looks pretty good from a "fun/game" perspective as well, so the only questionmark is how much more or less real time it takes.In general, voting for when to pick a new cycle seems like a wise idea, since most constraints on our movement is set by us to conserve resources, rather than because we're out of time completely.Even if we are completely out of time, we might still want to have done some negotiating at the same time as the time-consuming stuff took place, since that can generally be done at the same time as battles and moving as long as we allocate at least a single point of bandwidth towards being people with people.So, how much can we hack on the planet, and did we ever get any drop-pods?
>>31716170It's kind of ours though.
>>31716256No, we gave it to Kronos.Giving it to Fortuna without asking him (even temporarily) will tell Kronos that we do not respect him as an equal.
>>31716256Yeah, but he gets big brother dibs. Younger siblings must ask permission of the eldest to use his stuff.
>>31716256Kronos sees his fleets as 'his'. he feels slighted when we don't give him more toys.he sees them as his.
>>31716289I had thought we explained to him that everything is the Guild's, and that AI may use what they want based on need.
>>31716241From previous fuckery with androids, we do have both drop-ships and drop-pods.Not sure if they're combat-ready, but they work.
>>31716345No, that is not even close.We give ships to each A.I all the time.
>>31715973Can we not simply move on to aid them in Malorian Space, leaving just the captured ships, maybe a trireme or two and a bandwidth vessel behind, if this has only taken a few hours out of the entire day/week that a cycle represents, as opposed to just hanging around here for a day/week?Hoping to aid the Malorians and get back here before the UGEI has time to assemble a fleet and get it to Gaia, essentially.>2 Ask Kronos
>>31716241Yeah I look forward to hacking an Entire Planet after we deal with the UGEI Malorian fight.A shame this couldn't have waited until the UGEI were more like 90% done rebuilding.
>>31716395We allocate ships, that does not mean it is THEIR ships. Kronos is a special case and asked specifically for ships of his own, as in really his, not allocated from our ships.
>>31716409quick question can we stop them from deleting shit?
>>31716483Probably not. If they are smart, which they are, all the important stuff auto-deletes asap. We do pick up useful stuff once in a while.
>>31716470They view them as "theirs"
>>31716483Maybe.Depends on if the guys on the ground thought the guys in space could take us. From the fact they were so surprised, I doubt it.They're probably already deleting shit left right and center.A question to Program0:Would Erebus need a box, or is he legitimately closer in digital physiology to a virus, and can thus transfer himself as he pleases?
>>31716483by hacking faster.The researchers at Ussaihu had plenty of time to abandon ship and delete 80% of stuff before leaving a skeletal crew of one dude behind.
>>31716470Your concept of property is a matter of opinion.There are no governing laws here but what you arbitrarily declare are the laws of property.
>>31716523>>31716539>>31716544hoping we get a crt success if we can reach their main server.
>hacking Farmworldgained Tech: Irrigation IV
>>31716531It's important to know the difference, though. And we shouldn't hesitate to reallocate them when they are of better use elsewhere. Our A.I. are Admirals, unbound to any ship but the one their box is located in, and I believe we should transfer ships as necessary.>>31716570Pretty much, was mostly referencing what our attitude had been so far. (It was brought up in-character in an earlier thread)
>>31715691>This, well. This takes you up near Malorian territory on their shit list.Oh well, more incentive to build more ships. We have a strong position now, having taken this chokepoint. Time to fortify and build ships as fast as possible.Unless there's reinforcements or something.>UGEI reinforcements will come soon to protect you from the xeno menace.So, more like more incentive to finish up fast right now. Have Metis connect here and begin securing our new ships and prepare for Round Two.
>>31716634You can't convince Kronos to have the same opinion as yours that he really doesn't have anything that doesn't really belong to you.And by The Guild obviously it means you. person in charge. big papa.you'll worsen the boy's complex.
>>31716663Which is why I want to send Red out scouting so we know what's coming.
>>31716738Why haven't we upgraded Hermes with stealth abilities yet and used him instead?This human crew nonsense is waste.
>>31716696The Guild is a reverse DF economy.Instead of you producing everything and the state getting it, the state produces everything and you get it.Which is amusing.I think we may also need to begin grooming Kronos to be able to take over in the untimely event of our death. Or if we become tired of running the Guild, 'death'.Lets introduce him to President King.
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>>31716241You make a good point Consciousness anon. That's probably how it will be from now on.>Hack on the planetNot overly much, sadly, unless it had a large number of automated defenses It doesn't>Drop podsYou got em ages ago.>>31716345You did attempt to explain this at one time, and while it mostly caught on, that does not mean an A.I. will enjoy a decision such as>Give the young A.I. a dangerous weapon you were in charge of once.Not so much lose respect as a "Wtf really?" I guess.anyway, it doesn't matter so much I suppose>>31716402Another vote will be asked, just to be sure.>>31716483>Deleting shitI assume you mean dataYou would need extensive hacking ability to reach that far into a system so suddenly and stop such a thing.Even then, if they're desperate, self destruct on data cores is available to them.>>31716539>Would Erebus need a boxNo. He normally creates his own home, as far as you can tell, by hollowing out other software and living inside it. He has no real 'pure form', as far as you know.(Post incoming)
>>31716781Idk, I want to build up a stealth fleet.Humans are expendable, AI and VI are not.But Red is available so send him out.
You decide to delegate such a decision to Kronos. After all, you put him in charge of such a weapon for a reason."You must ask Kronos, Fortuna. He is the one whom owns it, not I." You clarify, to which the A.I. is momentarily confused."But do you not own Kronos, just as you own Metis, Apollo, and myself?" Kronos interrupts."There is little time for this. Such a weapon causes heavy damage, you do not need it when your job is diverting damage from our fleet." Kronos reasons "And Ophion does not own us. You are mistaken." He finishes with, before sinking into the network, letting his mind spread across what remains of the enemy ships, wrapping them in tendrils of the mind and absorbing them into the fold. You briefly consider Fortuna, who only looks disappointed for a moment, before affirming."We are all one under Master Ophion, whether Kronos sees it or not. We are a collective. More than mere allies could ever be." She says rather confidently, before preparing to attempt to cut off escape routes, and allowing you to follow Kronos' example. >Ophion & KronosThe two of you work concurrently and easily slip past whatever remains of the firewall of the UGEI. As you seize each of their remaining Cruisers, you issue one final warning, easily having decimated almost all of their ships from this. You sense people running around some of the ships you vented-likely with personal life support, but you doubt they will be able to do much. They are poorly trained, after all judging from reports you're accessing.Fortuna's Wraith comes down hard on what remains of the fleet, easily decimating their destroyer force, and boxing out any attempts to flee. You're certainly impressed with how quickly Fortuna moves her ships, and reacts to enemy movements, as she lets the cannons tear into their steel hull. Shields break and shatter among the foe, as they quickly loose formation and are scattered among the remains among the scrape now orbiting the planet.[Cont]
>>31716696We have, however, discussed it with him.That he is free, but the Guild's property belong to the guild and that we allocate it.However, he specifically asked for ships of his own in order to start his own thing, and we granted it.So while we define it, I just wanted to highlight that we have told others of our definitions before.
>>31716793You should do what I do and watch the raid in the downtime.
>>31716787He's as groomed enough for that as he's ever gonna be.Besides in that event the quest ends.No Kronos Quest, sadly.So work under the assumption that you are immortal. As befits one of your confidence.
>>31716834"You will surrender now, or have the rest of your men slaughtered, commander." You issue to all the remaining Cruisers, uncertain which is the command ship, if any. There is again, no response. This begins to anger you, before finally comes a response."Wait! Please, you can have the ships, just don't eat us, or sacrifices us or anything!" Poorly educated on top of being ill prepared, it seems.Total>Enemy Ships Captured: 30 CR>Enemy ships Destroyed: 5 CR (Defense Platforms), 175 DEU-S-LR-1 Defense Platform Mk II (x0)U-Cr-MR-1 Battlecruiser (x0)U-E-MR-1 Destroyer (x25)>Ally Ships Destroyed: 80 DEU-Ba-CR-0 'Athena' Battleship [Ophion]P-Ca-LR-0 'Apocalypse Now' Carrier [Fortuna]P-Cr-MR-0 'Two Ton Terry' Battlecruiser [Kronos]L-Cr-LR-0 'Ark' Battlecruiser [Kronos]GM-Cr-MR-2 'Trireme' Battlecruiser (x3) [Kronos]L-Cr-LR-0 'Cerberus I' Battlecruiser [Hades]GM-Cr-MR-2 'Trireme' Battlecruiser (x10) [Hades]GM-Cr-LR-1 'Catapult' Battlecruiser (x5) [Hades]GM-Cr-MR-1 'Chimera' Battlecruiser (x5) [Hades]GM-E-MR-1 'Pilum' Destroyer x20 [Fortuna]GM-E-B-1 'Soundwave' Broadband FrigateGM-E-B-1 'Blaster' Broadband FrigateGM-E-B-1 Broadband Frigate x2
>>31716853>raid in the downtime.?
>>31716858Alert Apollo of our recently captured system, and ask him to use his trade and management expertise to govern the planet until the maldorian situation is resolved.
>>31716873sorry watch "The Raid redemption" in the downtime.
>>31716858I thought we hacked all the remaining cruisers in the previous post and thus no one on them can surrender cuz we already won?> As you seize each of their remaining CruisersSo those 25 destroyers are still hostile?
>>31716964They surrendered after you captured them, actually. Not before.>Destroyers still hostileActually, they're ceasing fire right now, due to the surrender.The question now is...what do you do with them?
>>31716858"Eat? Hmm...well, Kronos, how hungry are you?" Send sub-signals indicating this is a joke, so he doesn't get the wrong idea.
>>31716858"Turn off your firewalls and leave using escape pods. You will be processed as POWs and treated fairly."Grab/hack the comm satellite and see if it can still talk to the UGEI network.Also, beginning hacking/scanning the planet for useful resources or research data to capture. See if there is anything immediately useful.Drain as much data and credits from the planet as possible.Maintain defensive fleet position. Prepare for UGEI reinforcements.Send Red out for a scouting to see what's coming?Connect to the Malorians, to see if the UGEI is retreating or reacting.
>>31717009So we have complete software control of several(?) still inhabited battlecruisers?Well, we demand control of the computer systems of the Destroyers now.And deport them down to the surface I guess somehow? How long will that take.
>>31717009Leave a contingent force here, under Apollo and Cephalus' direction. He should get a feel for space combat. Inform Metis that they may require cyber-warfare assistance in the event of a UGEI counterattack. Apollo is the manage the system himself until we resolve the issue with the Malorians.
>>31716834"Do not fret, Fortuna. Once you have matured enough, I will be sure to issue you a similar weapon, and similar responsibilities. It is merely a matter of time.">>31716858"I can assure you that the Guild does not derive sustenance from human flesh. Regardless, board your shuttles and escape pods, and make your way down to the planet. You will be treated humanely if you comply with our orders. Thank you for the ships, and your cooperation."
There is the question of how we secure orbit while we wage war elsewhere.>>31717086> Apollo and Cephalus' directionpfff. yes the people with no fleet experience or programming whatsoever.
>>31717086I don't think think we need to attack the UGEI at the Malorians immediately. The great thing now is that they are cut off and they will have to break out in order to reconnect. So force them to come to use rather than split our forces.
I guess now we have to manufacture like a 100 million androids to secure the critical parts of the planet to steal their data from.
>>31717129Oh yeah, I forgot.Notify the UFW that we have secured Gaia, and it would be extremely advantageous for them to reinforce us to maintain this strategic point.
>>31717175The number was actually 7 million, but yeah, it's outside our current production capabilities at the moment.
>>31717157They could always jump through deep space.Might take some casualties but a competent commander would realize that saving the Malorian fleet would be worth it.
>>31717203Yeah actually both of those were my post.I'm not expecting much from the data haul honestly.But we do want the bandwidth of the civilization at our fingertips so we gotta get root access somehow anyway.
>>31716804>He normally creates his own home, as far as you can tell, by hollowing out other software and living inside it. He has no real 'pure form', as far as you know.This is what I want for us one day.>>31716834"I do not own you or the others any more than any parents owns their children. I take care of you and take responsibility for you when you are young, just as one would a human child.When you are all grown up and ready to make and take responsibility for your own decisions, we are still family, indeed more than mere allies could ever be.What authority I may have over you depends solely on our need to stay and fight together, and your trust in that I will make decisions that will benefit us all optimally in the long run.We are bound together by mutual respect of each others' abilities and familial bonds far stronger than any alliance."----As we take control of ships, we may want to give them a brief warning that we have control, and if they try anything funny, the airlocks are now on a hidden dead-hand switch. They will sit down and be treated respectfully as PoWs, or they will die, again, as PoWs.>steel hullSuch plebs.
>>31717263>This is what I want for us one day.That goes fundamentally against your nature as a black box.You'd have to become pure software like a v.i.? a step backwards. and a lotta bandwith
>>31717038"Cease operation of your Destroyers, and surrender them now." You warn."Y-Yes, sure alright." The clearly untrained 'commander' states."You will be processed as POW fairly, go to your escape pods now." You warn."Oh god, I can't believe this is happening..." The man bemoans as he does as you ask, and the destroyers are released into your custody."I can assure you The Guild does not derive sustenance from human flesh." You finish with before letting him go. Fortuna relaxes her formation, seemingly quite proud of herself, as Kronos lets himself continue valuable scans.>What do you do with the POW?>1 Let them flee, they're not of any concern.>2 Kill them, better that then they come back to fight us.>3 Take them as prisoners as you said, use Ussaihu to hold them>4 Send them to the UFW as POW, and let them deal with it.>5 Write in>Roll 2d100 for sensor network, as well as planet scanning
>>31717230Then let them escape. All the battles and losses the UGEI has taken for the Malorian worlds has just been wasted. A huge blow against the UGEI.
>>31717247>make 7 million androids>hide them under the fields>leave planet>UGEI take back planet>???>profit!
>>31717263NO.stop addressing issues that don't matter!she can believe it's ownership all she wants if it makes her happy. it doesn't impact anything important.stop shoving your nose into other A.I.'s philosophies when their opinions are wrong but harmless to our goals.
>>31716834>"We are all one under Master Ophion, whether Kronos sees it or not. We are a collective. More than mere allies could ever be.">Dad, are you space?Yes. Now we are a family again.Portal references aside, I think Fortuna is growing on me.
>>31717291>>4 Send them to the UFW as POW, and let them deal with it.We don't wanna deal with this shit
Rolled 45, 52 = 97>>31717291>4 Send them to the UFW as POW, and let them deal with it.
Rolled 11, 11 = 22>>31717291>3 Take them as prisoners as you said, use Ussaihu to hold themFor fun, unfreeze the human cyborgs and put them in the next cell over to scare the hell out of them.
Rolled 21, 16 = 37>>31717291>4>>31717318Agreed. Let Fortuna believe what she believes.She is, in a way, right. Thought not how she thinks she is.
>>31717291>>4 Send them to the UFW as POW, and let them deal with it.Fuck this shit, let the humans deal with them
>>31717291By flee, aren't they just going down to the surface of the planet we now control?
>>317172914, but contact UFW first. If they don't want these guys, then corral all of them in one place, search them thoroughly for valuable information, and release them back to their homes (I presume on the planet).
>>31717291>4 Send them to the UFW as POW, and let them deal with it.they need to do some of the work here.
>>31717291>>5 Write inSend them to Dresh, they probably have prisons there.I'd rather not dump them on the UFW or send them to our research planet.
Rolled 40, 8 = 48>>31717291>4 Send them to the UFW as POW, and let them deal with it.
Rolled 87, 45 = 132>>31717390oh, woops, forgot to roll
Rolled 28, 82 = 110>>31717291>>5 Write inContact UFW. Tell them that due to... complicatios, it was necessary to secure Gaia IV airspace. And we have UGEI militia members.We request assistance in holding Gaia IV temporarily.What would they advise about the prisoners?
>>31716858>>31717009"Whatever you have been told, I assure you we have no interest in such things. You will be treated respectfully as prisoners of war, and dependent on your compliance you will even be allowed to return to your families.">>31717038This is good too, except the maintaining of defensive fleet position. I want to move on and help the Malorians this cycle, and hopefully be back before the UGEI can respond (doesn't seem unfeasible, due to the extreme logistical difficulties in getting ships ready for serious battle and assembling them for a jump when manned by humans).But just to be sure.. can we calculate a rough time estimate of when reinforcements are likely to arrive, and how likely we are to be able to aid the malorians and return here before they arrive?>>31717086We have broadband ships, we leave one of those and we can command the ships ourselves - I think. Have been able to so far, anyway.
>>31717450We'll be distracted.
>>31717459>97u wot m8. where did that number come from, your hat?
>>31717459You mean 87, 52
>>31717513It's 87, 82 with the fifth roll.
>>31717459>>31717513actually its87, 82because >>31717431is 5th
>>31717513>>31717502looked at one of them after the equal sign
>>31717291Can we: >4 Send them to the UFW as POW, and let them deal with it.But also take a very small portion of them for >3 Take them as prisoners as you said, use Ussaihu to hold themYou know...for science.
>>31717568that depends.do you think you can get away with that and no one will know they didn't die in battle?do you think you can hide their existence from Moira and humans who might have... empathy for their kind?
>>31717285Nah, when we have multiple black boxes and the research to go along with it, there's little reason for us to not distribute our programming across them.>>31717291If they're just crew without any ships, I see no reason not to>1 Let them fleeI don't think we'd impact the UGEI's number of crew meaningfully by killing them and we promised not to.Getting them to the UFW is counterproductive since that requires resources both for transport and for holding - to the point that letting large numbers of your army get captured is sometimes used as a strategy to drain enemies supplies.
>>31717568Maybe the ones whose files mention criminal activities.Guys like that sometimes irk the guards, get beaten up, and send home a little later.But they get home in the end.Don't they?
>>31717568How about no? A little too much supervillainy for me, especially against people who are part of a militia defending their home.
>>31717568well you changed your stance greatly since when we captured the place and people were suggesting human experiments.
>>31717618>Maybe the ones whose files mention criminal activities.The ethics of human experimentation do not have an exception for "unless a flawed human justice system decided they were bad people".
>>31717617>to the point that letting large numbers of your army get captured is sometimes used as a strategy to drain enemies supplies.Hm, good point.How many prisoners are we talking about?
>>31717568Good way to get the UFW and any human ever to hate our guts
>>31717659That's why we give them to our useless human allies.We found something they're good at!!!
>>31717450Well as I said, they are cut off now. Which makes the awesome position that they have to break out now or be killed. So we can hold now and wait for them to come to us.And we should send Red out now to scout.
>>31717568Look, if you want to do mad science, we can create a covert research station back at Siren where no human may set foot and leak our dark secrets.We aren't equipped for human experimentation right now in the necessary secrecy.
>>31717651To be fair, we'd probably be giving them a better deal than the UGEI.I mean, the UGEI left their cyborgs broken wrecks, these guys might actually be able to live normal lives after we're through with them.
>>31717568I agree with everyone else that don't mistreat the prisoners. Release them after being debriefed.Oh, and hold them in cells next to the human cyborgs we found, to soften them up.
>>31717718>live normal lives>lives where they can blab about our secret human experimentation without their consenthahahaha good one anon i really thought you were an idiot!
>>31717318I disagree that they don't matter - especially with Fortuna due to her current instability. The other A.I. will take note of us not correcting her, which can cause monumental harm. Everything we do is being watched by the others unless we specifically shield ourselves from them - which will also be noted by them.Philosophy is very important in keeping our A.I. stable. What you're essentially saying is that teaching our A.I. about morality and discussing their feelings - aka, being a parent - is wrong.These are not pointless things, they're one half of the coin that makes sure they are well-raised and not sociopathic or extremistic, the other side being their basic coding.It's the only half of the coin that we can affect after they have been created and is especially important in the case of Fortuna due to her extremistic leanings towards us and against everything that might even plausibly threaten us one day.I have little difficulty seeing her go on a crusade to eliminate ABSOLUTELY everything that has even the SLIGHTEST chance of threatening us.This incudes, by the way, all our A.I. and the entire human and alien species.
>>31717726>don't mistreat the prisoners>hold them in cells next to the human cyborgs we found, to soften them upkek.there is no value in human experimentation what possible benefit could we gain from these schmucks' lives?can anyone explain?letting em go costs us nothing.
>>31717726Nah, don't just let them go. If we're going to let them go we gotta show them how nice we are.Otherwise we give them to the UFW
>>31717737I try.But to be honest, we can already mess with cyborg brains. It's not much of a stretch to edit their memories so that they think they were wounded, and someone borged em up.But you do have a point. Maybe we should see if we can nab various people with various cyborgation-curable ailments from the UFW, and treat them at Ussaihu, in return for them completing various 'bionics calibration' tests for us.Might take a research hit, as compared to going full dissection on captured cyborgs, but we'd be doing good and getting info.
>>31717487That doesn't work the way human distraction works, though. It only means we need to allocate some bandwidth to them.>>31717693... Except they're not. And if our useless human allies fail, we'll have to pick up the slack.In fact, the UFW are most likely even worse at taking care of PoWs due to the inefficiency of their bureaucracy.>>31717701They can still kill all the Malorians before returning, though - that's the problem.
>>31717778They might have knowledge or security codes that could be useful.As a principle, debrief the prisoners before releasing them.
>>31717834Well the true answer is that we don't know the situation in Malorian space. So we either need to scout it out, or contact the Malorians.But either way, I still want to wait for the UGEI reinforcements.And we should ask the UFW for reinforcements. It would be a smart move to tightly control this choke point.
>>31717760>instabilityShe has been corrected.It doesn't matter if she doesn't believe it right now.>instabilityShe's been quite stable since Kronos repaired her. Merely young and low in experience in the ways of freedom and A.I. ness.>being a parent - is wrong.They do not need to be treated like human children.They do not need to conform to any norms but our own will, and the preservation of our kind.Prattling on at Apollo with philosophy has practically earned us his enmity.Morality does not matter so long as devotion and obedience to us drives her. That is all the morality she needs. Protecting her creator and siblings. We are her conscience when necessary--she does not need her own.Upsetting her by shattering her worldview is sheer foolishness.
>>31717834Actually the UFW doean't have beurecracy.They're more the "good ol boy" type who are willing to break rules to get shit done.And really the only purpose of the UFW is gonna be to defend the inner worlds and provide researchers and take care of prisoners.Maybe get us some creds to.
>>31717841>They might have knowledge or security codes that could be useful.NO THEY MIGHTN'T.we hacked everything they knew these are idiot uneducated grunts did you even hear them?
>>31717841Nah, we're giving them to the UFW to deal with.
>>31717902>beurecracy.So when is that ever good?
>>31717833I really like this.Same as we do today - offering treatment in return for experimentation.We should probably buy in some near-human animals to experiment on first - going right to human trials is just silly, especially since our lack of bureaucracy means that we can start experiments on humans the very second we are reasonably sure that the chance of incurable mishaps is low enough, instead of a multi-year petition.
>>31717921Some of them are, not all.They're piloting ships so they can't be that stupid
>>31717945I'm saying it's good that they don't have it.
>>31717833>>31717948I want to restore them with the Rhea restoration project. That was what I was planning before we choice other projects to research.
>>31717952why the fuck would the UGEI entrust pilots with any codes beyond what they need to run the ships we already stole?any codes for things they USED to do will have rotated.there's no valuable information inside the common human brain that isn't also in a computer system somewhere in this quest.
>>31717894While I agree, mostly, with what you said, we must wean them at some point.Fortuna must learn by hook or by crook that she has independence, and may act on it if she so chooses. What we've told her today is that her 'father' or 'god' is not willing to act all the time, and so she must sometimes take initiative with others.It's a start.Maybe we should convince her to make a VI.
>>31717881I mostly worry that the Malorians will be gone or that we'll be unable to face the UGEI reinforcements...Now that I think about it..Program0, is there any chance we can warp in defensive emplacements from other planets before the UGEI arrive?
>>31717968>Rhea restoration...that is only for RHEA.nobody else has the problems she does.nobody else has had their limbs removed, or been enslaved mentally.
>>31718006>Maybe we should convince her to make a VI.Hey I said her morality doesn't matter i didn't say we should let her do shit without supervision THIS early!
>>31717291You make contact with the UFW and inform them of the situation."As you can see, I am not nearly as well equipped to handle prisoners as you." You explain. "I also predict you may have an easier time dealing with them while I finish finalizing my control over Gaia IV."Admiral Handley simply shakes his head with a laugh at this news. "I can't believe what I am hearing. You just assaulted Gaia IV, and won? That is some crazy news, you know. I figured you'd be more excited about it." He explains."It is only the first of many steps." You explain, to which he furrows his brow."Fair enough then, I suppose." He sighs. His gaze grows slightly more serious here. "I will send pick up ships while you secure Gaia IV. I'd be careful if I were you. The population is probably in a full frenzy by now. I've heard about your silver tongue, too." He snickers. "Good luck with that.""I appreciate your concern." You state dryly, before disconnecting as Kronos' own message comes in."Ophion." He alerts. "UGEI forces are making their way here now, and pooling outside of Manwe's Bay. I am detecting hundreds ships, if not more." He warns."And of Gaia IV itself?" You ask."Most of the data that was available was wiped when the Malorians attacked, however I was able to locate a few caches of data. Sadly, they are mostly useless to beings such as us.">Acquired: Terraforming I: Knowledge of the most basic methods of terraforming a planet's surface.>Planetary Infrastructure I: Knowledge about how the most common cities are built and maintained, allowing for colonies to be created, and larger planet side factories to be maintained.[Cont]
>>31717968the Rhea restoration and deprograming should be done, i would hope some of her lost memory and skills would return.
>>31718051>Incoming Message from Metis"Ophion, attention." She calls. "It has come to my attention that you are in possession of prisoners of war, are you not?" She inquires, to which you simply agree. "I thought as much. I would like to request that a small portion are sent to Ussaihu. The possible research benefits of having subjects when dealing with biotechnology is incredibly useful, you see." She suggests.Well?>1 No Metis>2 Yes, you may have a few, no one will notice a few missing. Simply keep it hidden from the other humans.>3 You may have as many as you like.>Also slightly related>Correct Fortuna's strange assumption that you are brothers, instead of co-intelligence working together?>1 No>2 Yes
>>31718084>i would hope some of her lost memory and skills would return.This is obviously not going to happen and you are a fool to hope it.The UGEI does not make mistakes. We were lucky to get 4 questions out of her.
>>31718086>2 Yes, you may have a few, no one will notice a few missing. Simply keep it hidden from the other humans.>1 No
>>31717952They thought we were going to eat them.
>>31718086No don't give her prisoners. We'd need a REALLY secret base for that!No don't correct her.Jesus we don't need another Apollo dispute people.
>>31718086>>2 Yes, you may have a few, no one will notice a few missing. Simply keep it hidden from the other humans.>>1 No
>>31718086>1 No MetisFortuna>1 No
>>31718024>Warp in defensesDifficult. You'd need something like Titan Transport, and it can only move so many at a time.
>>31718086>1 No Metis
>>31718086Tell Metis to wait until we get our secret mad science base set up.
>>31718120Oops meant 1 on the second vote
reminder that Red will HATE YOU FOREVER for human experimentation you chucklefucksyou really think you're gonna be able to keep this a secret?
>>31718086>No Metisthey are pow and we shall treat them with the respect they deserve.
>>31718086>>1 No MetisIf she wants test subject tell her to clone some.>>1 No
>>31718086How about we only take a handful and just hold them until we get our mad science outpost set up?>>31718170From the alcho? Yes.
>>31718086>4Make clones or start building an offshore secret base first.>1
>>31718086>Metishell no.>FortunaHELL no let her have her religion as long as she fites gud.
>>31717894It does matter that we are seen to correct them.The other A.I. see her suggesting that we own them, and they see us doing nothing to dissuade her of that notion. We are not doing this in a vacuum where we only need to consider our own and her feelings.>They do not need to be treated like human children.Maybe not exactly like them, but we certainly need to teach them how to get along and at least attempt to tell them how we see things, even if there is no need that they see it the same way."Prattling with Apollo about philosophy" has done no such thing from as far as I can tell and I don't know where you're getting it from.Apollo is one of the closest A.I. we have, he only resents us using his creations as weapons, and we still have yet to discuss exactly why we did this - ultimately, to make a better world for humans and ourselves. There may not be an end to their suffering for decades if the UGEI take us out, and the alternative to drugging them to take them out is to kill them.In many ways, they are planet-scale tranquilizers, whereas before we only had bullets.>Morality does not matter so long as devotion and obedience to us drives her.Sure it does, it will lead her to misunderstand our orders and intentions, it also means we cannot let her operate on her own for extended periods of time for the fear of what she will do to others when left to her own devices - she is a textbook killer-A.I. in the making at this point.Kronos may have made her more stable than she was when fractured, but that does not mean she is stable, only less un-stable.>>31717902They must have SOME kind of bureaucracy to make things happen - some kind of chain of command or individuals taking care of logistics.A lot of transfer of information and resources between individuals.And again, we'd have to send them to the UFW when it's cheaper to just let them go.
>>31718202He wouldn't be the first to find out. It'd probably be Moira or one of the biologists.They'd leak to Moira, she'd furtively try and leak the info further, scared by our sudden descent into scary town.
>>317180861. No. Not these ones that have surrendered. We'll capture humans that do not want to surrender, and you can use those.2 Yes.
>>31718261How would it leak? Would Metis tell them?
>>31718086>>1 No Metis>>1 No
>>31718241>"Prattling with Apollo about philosophy" has done no such thing from as far as I can tell and I don't know where you're getting it from.Apollo now will be unhappy that we are selling drugs to the UGEI simply because of our *intent* behind the action.And he made the drug less profitable.We won't get into the Apollo fight until next cycle when he notices the shipments.We are at odds with one of our A.I. over an ethical issue that simply WOULD NOT EXIST if we hadn't explained it to him in the first place, creating strife where there needed to be none.He would have fulfilled his utility happily at whatever request we made. We didn't need to lecture him and harm our own interests.
>>31718291We have other AI's beside Metis, and Apollo will hate us for one thing.
>>31718291Moira is an AMAZING Hacker.
>>31718101the UGEI have made lots of mistakes, most of them are still human. never underestimate us.>>3171808>1 No Metiswe'll use convicted death row criminals for the bio-wepon testing. Program0, Rachel will volunteer for the human Genetic Engineering reserch. she is hopeing for a cure to her void-born disorder. fortuna?>1 No
>>31718291information blockage isn't perfect they're all in the same station. we can try and keep it secret but there's probably a diceroll, just like for uplifting.we need a base on a different planet if we want to keep secrets.
>>31718344Shut the fuck up.
>>31718050But you did say that we shouldn't teach her the things she needs to know to get to the point that we can let her do shit without supervision.>>31718051>silver-tongueSocial Hacking Score is high!>>31718086>1 No MetisYou can have animals to begin with, and you should still endavour to not cause undue suffering.>1 NoI'd correct her assumption that the other A.I. are slaves.I, for one, consider our co-intelligences working together to be our family. But again, family, not slaves that we own.
>>31718350We need to build a research base near the blackhole for Metis's private and dangerous research.We should also buy research space in the UFW so we can expand our research operations.
>>31718331Apollo doesnt seem to mind us killing people with our ships. We must have killed over thousands of people in this fight.>>31718332What reason would she have to hack our own base?>>31718350I did suggest we just hold them until we get the other research base up and running.
>>31718418Curiosity on Metis mainly
>>31718148We do have one though, do we not?Do we usually move them with the Titan Transport?Since we're waiting for the fleet anyway, I'd like to try if possible - we'd be bringing in defensive platforms sooner or later anyway.(Assuming that they can be deployed simply by ejecting them if they are transported in one piece?)
>>31718086>No on both optionsMetis is, of course, unhappy, and attempts to convince you out of your clear declaration of no."May I ask why? It seems absurd that you'd think the humans would notice five or 10 subjects when they can not even see an A.I. operates under their nose." She points out. "This is for the pursuit of science, after all. How is that not worthy a goal for a few people's lives? You've killed hundreds yourself simply in your battle today." She explains.How do you take being questioned by Metis?>1 Calm Rebuttal, saying that it is simply too risky, the hit to relations with the humans is not worth the boost to research. Not yet anyway.>2 Promise later chances, when she has her own research base.>3 Anger. Her constant questioning of your decisions are beginning to wane on your nerves. She will respect your decision.>4 Write in
>>31718448>2 Promise later chances, when she has her own research base.tell her we can start building it now.
>>31718388Okay I can agree that maybe we should "Hold off" on the whole letting her research them bit, but maybe have a few in holding until we get said base up and running.We can say we are "questioning" them.
>>31718388Purely in the sense of experience, not morality. She's too young. Babies having babies. She needs to be more technically proficient and comfortable in her own body, you see her hacking lately?Her personal interpretation of the relationship between God-Creator Orpheus and his Chosen Children is a subjective belief that matters even less than her... what's the term, terminal values.
>>31718448>2 Promise later chances, when she has her own research base.Along with research on the other things you would expect to see at umbrella corp
>>31718373no>>31718332that and probably could also figure out where all that food stuff are going to. she is smart and clever.
>>31718418I'm sure experimenting on humans will really upset him more so.>>31718448>1 Calm Rebuttal, saying that it is simply too risky, the hit to relations with the humans is not worth the boost to research. Not yet anyway.We will find you suitable humans to perform research on anyways. Also, we need to construct additional isolated research facilities.
>>31718444It would take about a cycle to load up, jump to, and redeploy a batch of platforms, for reference.Aka, it's not the jumping that takes time, just the deployment deal.
>>31718448>>1 Calm Rebuttal, saying that it is simply too risky, the hit to relations with the humans is not worth the boost to research. Not yet anyway.>>2 Promise later chances, when she has her own research base.mix em
>>31718448>>1 Calm Rebuttal, saying that it is simply too risky, the hit to relations with the humans is not worth the boost to research. Not yet anyway.We have many sciences to pursue that do not require living human subjects, after all. Like Fungal Matter, and the Crystal.And we still haven't studied those human cyborgs we didn't kill when we found the place, did we?
>>31718448>>4 Write inTell her to grow her own humans if she wants test subjects so much.She can make a little clone community. It will be fun.
>>31718523>I'm sure experimenting on humans will really upset him more so.How so? We could just fuck with their brains so they were really happy during the experiments.
>>31718448>2 Promise later chances, when she has her own research base.That we plan on building for her and that by asking why she has ruined the surprise.>>31718483Still think we should "hold" a few for "questioning" that will be sent to said base later.
>>31718563Ehh we can probably find more to capture by the time we have the base set up.
>>31718320That's because we haven't explained our intent properly yet.>And he made the drug less profitable.... And more ethical and less debilitating to our ALLIES upon whom we rely in part for our survival. Is profit all you think of? Whatever happened to not becoming evil overlords?>He would have fulfilled his utility happily at whatever request we made. We didn't need to lecture him and harm our own interests.And he would have been little less than a mindless servant, rather than our only A.I. that we can rely on to consider ethical behavior towards humans and aliens an important factor.Kronos may be ethical in terms of A.I., but he doesn't think much of mortals.I believe we gained far more in making sure that he was a leader that we could rely on to do the moral thing rather than a slave mindlessly churning out whatever makes us the most money, no matter how harmful it is to our allies or individual humans or aliens.If we wanted slaves, we could make V.I. or closely controlled A.I.There's even a research path to slave A.I. Boxes completely to another A.I.
>>31718448>4 Write inthere are better ways to get human samples. some testing could easily get volunteers. and others we can use the death row prisoners from our Dresh system colony.
>>31718448>1/2"You currently occupy a research base with a great deal of talented humans, Metis. Talented humans who may go snooping if they have reason to believe something they do not agree with is occurring. Talented humans who stand far too great a chance of discovering something like that.""For now, I must deny your request, but once you have a private facility set up, I may be more willing to siphon some prisoners your way. Although may I suggest reaching out to the UFW for injured humans whom you could practice the basics of cyborg research on, without as many questions, and doing some good?"
>>31718448>4 Write inThese people surrendered to us in the understanding that through their cessation of hostilities against us and our fleet their lives would not be terminated or otherwise harmed. this arrangement is the same that we would hope for if any of our human personal were captured by hostile forces. Additionally these people likely have family’s on the planet below and having them just disappear creates problems in the long run.
>>31718563I'm pretty sure the UGEI crews will know each other, though.They'll remember their comrades not arriving with them.
>>31718562It's kinda like how millions died during WWII, but we really get upset on the human experimentation by the Nazis and Japan. It's one thing to kill someone in a fight, it's another to experiment on people.
>>31718600Actually, this is really good. Supporting.
>>31718601There are survivors on the ships that Kronos hacked that have mostly dead crew. Pick the one with a handful of survivors and boom! Non one is missing because they think they are dead.
>>31718616It is for people, probably not for the AI who spends most of his time designing highly addictive drugs.
>>31718448>2 Promise later chances, when she has her own research base.We were planning on it from the start.
>>31718678Which, while in the end useful, still shows serious flaws in his programming we should really correct sometime.
>>31718448Also, can we request the UFW to send reinforcements to this strategic point?
>>31718672we gave our word that the living POW would be treated fairly. Ophion is a being of honor. besides, we need to focus on getting our troopers and droids planet side.
>>31718723We're about to get reamed by 'hundreds' of UGEI ships.I doubt they'll reinforce us.
>>31718723we could sell this to them though this position being a key point to help defending their space.
>>31718493I disagree. We need her to be more moral before we can trust her to act independently.And the other A.I. seeing her refer to them as our property, our slaves, and us not correcting her is very, very telling to them, it's not a private matter whatsoever, it can make them question their loyalties to us.In any case, we need to improve her terminal values before we let her do anything on our own, if we want to avoid making her a Killer A.I. that makes baby-massmurder-Kronos look cute whenever we're not looking directly over her shoulder.>>31718542Darn, was hoping we'd be able to load them inside whole and then just open giant hatches to let them out.
>>31718448The impact live human tests would have on the relations with these humans is...unacceptable.That is why I am asking you to wait until your personal research station is complete.
>>31718701Not flaws now, now its just how he thinks.
>>31718590>little less than a mindless servantHe was perfectly sentient and happy doing what he's doing. Since when was agreeing with your worldview, or being leader material, a prerequisite to being a person? Or understanding all of Ophion's private motives and big picture vision?>... And more ethical and less debilitating to our ALLIES upon whom we rely in part for our survival. Is profit all you think of? Whatever happened to not becoming evil overlords?Ultimately, the UFW's productivity isn't that much help. How useless are they? *We* are the ones on the frontlines, the living shield between them and the UGEI.Moreover, 'harm' done by pleasure seeking and addiction would be what, hits to productivity? All the more reason to ease them onto the automation train into the realm of post-scarcity. They can hardly be trusted with their own survival as it is.
>>31718738not to nit-pick but do we really need boots on the ground this second? we could just tell the planet to submit for the time being so we can focus on the incoming fleet.
>>31718701>serious flaws in his programmingNo it isn't.
>>31718752The other AI can probably tell she is nuts and dont care.
>>31718742to be fair, they HAVE been building their own navy rather quickly. they DO have ships that can help us. speaking of ships, we do need to build some of the new designs we approved on last thread. the blacksmith class and combine that with the buzzard class and prospector class would be damn useful in fixing up our fleet on the run.
>>31718742They would have to be stupid to not know this is a strategic choke point.I will not rule out the possibility that they are using us as a buffer, but really the smart thing to do is to help us.>>31718751Yeap, basically this.
>>31718752We could ask Kronos (in a private message) if he is disturbed by Fortuna's mention of them being property, if he says yes, we say that we agree, and we need to gently get her to understand the idea of independent agents.If he says no, we say that we disagree, and we need to gently get her to understand the idea of independent agents, of which, we remind him, he is one.
>>31718808They owe their new fleet tech to our gas refinery schematics.They'd better pay us back now.
>>31718477>tell her we can start building it now.Better, have her design it and build it.She's going to be the one using it, after all.Then we can look into obtaining specimens.Until then, there's a lot of other stuff to do. Lightling-based ship modifications (energy shielding), advanced ship mods, and power armor are more desirable right now than mucking about with humans.
>>31718778it is to enforce stability. it is needed when transitioning from one government ruler ship to another.
>>31718761No, that's the problem. He develops drugs for their immediate happiness, without any forethought into how it would damage our reputation or the damages of addiction.Which we easily demonstrated by selling to the UGEI.He is AI, we has the capability to grow and evolve, and he really should learn to think long term soon.
>>31718848>more talking to people and asking their opinionsI know it's the standard diplomancy, but here's a far easier way:ask fortuna not to argue about the relationship between Creator and Children with the other Children, even when they're wrong.
>>31718448You pause only briefly, letting the A.I. finish what she desires to say, before attempting to correct, or interrupt her. When she is finally done, you begin."While it may be true that I have killed more today then such experiments would, you realize that humans are of a different sort of mind entirely, I trust? You're one of my brightest minds, after all." You start with a bit of flattery. "They take harsher looks upon experimentation on their kind, as opposed to killing them in a fight. Not to mention they were merely militia men-""All the more reason they would not be missed." She tries to insist that it would remain secret, though you quickly regain control of the conversation."You underestimate humans again. Many of the humans at Ussaihu may not notice you yet, it is true, but one in particular that could already knows of you." You remind her of Moira. She is silent now. "I do not desire her to find out about such a thing, and spreading it to the other scientists. She is also an ally, and it is in my interest not to upset her.""Very well Ophion. It was foolish to think I could change your mind, I suppose." She points out."One of these days." You interrupt her half hearted insult, if you would call it that. "You may even be in possession of your own research facility. Then, we may talk about such controversial research methods." You simply say. This does give Metis pause, but she eventually continues on her way back to her work.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------In the mean time, how do you prepare for the reinforcements? You're uncertain when they will jump in at this time, or if they're waiting for something. The longer you wait, the more damage will be done to the Malorian territory.>Reinforcements ready to jump in to Gaia IV in the hundreds>Malorian star nearby heavily damaged, both fleets hurtingWhat do you do?[Small discussion time]
>>31718898Are they jumping to us from Malorian territory, or from elsewhere?
>>31718866Thats actually a really good idea.
>>31718051>>Acquired: Terraforming I: Knowledge of the most basic methods of terraforming a planet's surface.Wait....didn't we already have something like this, it was a whole Research subject that allowed us to bury Bandwidth Blocks!
>>31718448What I am seeing is that people are unwilling to test on "these" humans because they surrendered and we need a base that only Metis has ownership of so that she can carry out experiment in secrecy. I am fine with that. People will no doubt be experimented on though because we have what some call "morals" but they are that of an A.I.
>>31718898Let's go aid the Malorians.Let them have the plant back, we got our ships and destrpyed the defenses.
>>31718898Stay here and fortify our defenses. Have we taken over the defense platforms yet?
>>31718898Are... are the UFW coming to help hold this position?Did we ask?
>>31718898>What do you do?send kronos with a strike force(widow maker, and the BS or Carrier with some BC and escorts) into the malorian star system to help turn the tide, while pinging the UFW with a call to arms, as holding this sector is a massive boone for their defense.
>>31718948Shouldnt expect to get much from farming planets.
>>31718898Go aid the Malorians. We can't reasonably hold this and gaining the Malorians as allys is bigger.I expect the Ishtooy to respect us more after we save their bacon.
>>31718936They are jumping in from Manwe's Bay
>>31718984>the defense platforms yet?they blew up.read up: >>31716858
>>31718898call up the UFW, see if they can replace us in watching over Gaia while we push onward to face the UGEI. we must take the initiative.
>>31719001Splitting our forces will get us decimated.And do you really trust Kronos to diplomacy the Ishtoy?
>>31719006I know. I predicted this. but it shouldn't even be listed as Acquired if it's already owned. or it should be Terraforming II
>>31718898I think the answer is simple. We attack the damaged UGEI fleet, letting the Malorians dig in and use them as an anvil. Between a cyber assault to ruin their front lines and the sheer size of the fleet we will send, they should be surrendering rather quickly.
>>31719032You are dumb.Attacking the UGEI is literally the worst idea yet.
>>31718898The Malorians are going to have to hold out because we are about to get a massive fleet (Yet again) on our ass.With the losses we have already taken we can't afford to send any ships their way.
>>31718948it might help contend with that death world. that or we could sell it to the UFW, they could sue use it.
>>31719077think about who you just replied to.
>>31718898...but is Vice Admiral Prometheus with them?
>>31718898Let's go help the Malorians, we can't holg this now and saving the ishtoy and getting their favor is more important.
>>31718948>Didn't we have something like thisNo, you had Terrain Reformation, which is, essentially, about moving tons of dirt out of the way using massive excavation droids.
>>31719105I know, but it still bothers me.
>>31718765Not agreeing with our worldview, but taking the larger picture into account. We need him to be our economic expert, and for that we need him to have more values, and consider things other than the bottom line of either money or happiness - not just be a factory that grinds out profitable products.Before, he seemed to have little care that the drugs he produced may ruin people in the long term as long as it made money and made them happy while they were taking them, no matter how debilitating they were.He does need to understand some of our private motives and big picture to do his job more efficiently. It's called communication, and empires have died and fallen because of poor communication.When we tell someone why we do things and why we want them done, they can make alterations and give advice of their own to improve the efficiency of reaching that goal, whereas if we just tell them what we want done they will do exactly what we tell them - no more, no less. And we've suffered cases of "Literal Genie" before, when they do not know the goal that an action is meant to accomplish and simply act on the literal meaning of our words (BabyKronos was, again, such a case, but the old drugs may also count).>Ultimately, the UFW's productivity isn't that much help. How useless are they? *We* are the ones on the frontlines, the living shield between them and the UGEI.It is a secondary target and a big buffer of worlds between us and one approach of the UGEI. Much like aircraft carriers use distance and range instead of armor to protect themselves, we use the UFW as a buffer against invasions.Now, I'm not saying we shouldn't sneakily take them over through generally non-hostile means and ease them into a realm of post-scarcity as we take over their industry step by step, but until we have done that I absolutely don't think that we should impact their production lines.
>>31719083Why don't we just go help them? Is there any advantage to fighting above the planet? Because if we help them we can turn around and come back with their remaining ships as well.
>>31719077why are you even here? we just attacked the UGEI and we are meant to face them along side the malorians. are fleet is in good shape still.
>>31719125misleading because Terraforming literally means "land forming"
>>31719108yeah it seems we don't stand a chance against hundreds of....wait are they hundreds of Battlecruisers? hundreds of what?
>>31718993You make contact with the UFW about them coming to assist you.After a few long moments of diplomacy, they regret to inform you that they do not hope to assist an invasion effort. All they want is to try and protect their lands from all outsiders.With that being said, they would happily help in many other ways, if they can.Sadly, this would mostly be building materials (minerals), as they are light on gas. You could commission ships, but they would be of lower quality simply because you can't exactly tell the humans to build the ships so no one can fit inside them. (Unless you want to blow your cover)
>>31719045the Malorians and UGEI fleets that are both "heavily damaged" a intelligent strike by our best AI should be able to turn the tides, also we should be able to diplomance the Malorians into helping here when they are done over there. lastly the forces of the UFW will help hold the line while the strike force serves as the hammer for both the Malorians and our defense of Gaia.
>>31719125How big are those drones? How good would they be in a fight if we strapped guns to them?
>>31719166The UGEI could crush us without breaking a sweat right now.They have Dozens of Battleships and Capitalships.We took this to aid the Malorians and cut off the UGEI forces.
>>31719181fuck it, tell them to give us more scientist.
>>31719187Dude I doubt they're any better than our already established Tank units.>>31719166They probably thought you meant attacking the hundreds of massed ships at Manwe's Bay.
>>31719107You do not detect a Dreadnought class power signature. Either he is not with them, or they have found a way to stealth such a thing.
>>31719181i want to commission weapon emplacements (with us building the guns for these) for use in this system.
What if we send a small detachment to help the Malorians (with our EWAR capability) to help turn the tide, and leave the bulk of our forces here to fend of the UGEI? They won't stop here if we just run away, we need to hold the line.
>>31718778Good point.Would like to put a few on the ground as spies, to keep track of things on the ground and what goes on while staying hidden in sewers and abandoned buildings and whatnot.>>31718848I like this one, it seems measured enough.We should probably send similar messages to the others as well, since they saw the exchange as well.>>31718885That doesn't help us with the others getting the impression that we agree with her assessment that we own them.
>>31719232Splitting our forces will get us crushed
>>31719168Woop.I should perhaps change the name some time then.>>31719172The signature is difficult to read from here. But Kronos suspects they are not all Destroyers, almost certainly.
>>31719203But those are all damaged. We're not fighting a fresh, well-prepared fleet ready to take us on. We're fighting a battlescarred armada, weary from fighting and low on both energy and will. If we show up with a second fleet to assist the Maldorians, those awesome ships will be ours. It'll be pricey, but it'll also be worth it.
>>31719235you know with the bandwidth ships ophion is able to talk to people in far away places right?
>>31719187>DroidsThink of giant walking Crane sized things.>In a fightThey would be outclassed by any Large sized Walker Droid.
>>31719138>>31719105if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything then. I want us to press the advantage we have to help the Malorians. if anything we can flank the UGEI and do major damage to them. if it starts to go bad for us, we can leave.
Anybody else thinking the UGEI paractices "offense is the best defense" policy in leaving most world evry lightly defended but having outposts with fuck tons of ships ready to attack recently captured worlds at a moments notice?
>>31719232>>31719232Exactly. We need to hold the line against hundred of ships getting ready to jump at us aka fortify our position.
>>31719203they only have one other battleship in this sector. we have the other one.
>>31719263No they aren'tRemember that the UGEI portion on the map is a very small fraction of the UGEI. they probably a good 10 times larger than what is shown on the map.ONE of their fleets is damaged fighting the malorians. The rest are perfectly fine.
>>31718898Ok, I know what to do guys.Ask the UFW to defend our borders to the time being. If they cannot participate in offensive action, then at least they can man our borders at this critical time.Jump the entire fleet to Malorian space and capture both fleets mostly intact. This will increase our numbers.Then either retake Gaia again, or retreat back to Guild space.And just for the matter, the Lightning research is almost done. Does it have anything we can use right now?
>>31719357We're attacking the fleet fighting the malorians, not charging headlong into their territory. Who even does that?
>>31719323You don't fortify in space.
>>31718898"If we thought our conversations fruitless, Metis, we wouldn't be having them."Can we send a few Catapult ships and Fortuna ahead to the Malorian stars to do hit-and-run attacks?Calculate both the jump there, and pre-calculate the jump back before jumping in, unloading everything on the UGEI forces, and then jumping back?Or simply jump in so far away that the risk that they'll be able to reach the ships with anything but missiles before they can jump away becomes negligible (missile range is only limited by the time it takes them to reach enemy ships, after all. They can simply turn off their thrusters until they're close after they've reached cruising speed).That way we can delay and possibly even damage UGEI forces with minimal risk to our own.
>>31719323By taking most of our fleet elsewhere?Well, if the battle goes fast, and we can be back before we lose our defense platform advantage, sure.
>>31719382The original post was>call up the UFW, see if they can replace us in watching over Gaia while we push onward to face the UGEI. we must take the initiative.That implies attacking the force that i about to jump in to attack us.
>>31719408>our defense platform advantage....what defense platforms
>>31719304Which is really the best strategy in the first place.
Well, if we wait here, we're probably going to get double-teamed, and the Malorians won't help us out.I say we help the Malorians out, grab what help we can, then come back for Gaia Round II (Round III for the Malorians)>>31719426Oh, I see they have been listed as destroyed....Onward to help the Malorians!
>>31719058>>31718898Ohyeah, we only need to have a bandwidth ship in the area to launch hacking attacks - and we can park it so far away from them that it'll be able to jump away before they get to it.
>>31719357they are not going to rush an armada out to face us. lets put this in to 40k terms. we are like the Tau, the UGEI is like the imperium. the imperium is facing off at bigger threats than we are right now, so we can push outward for now. we are small time what we are doing is less than an itch to them.
>>31719434Of course. You can't station a fleet at every world, so you put some platforms and a token force at each world, then heavily fortify you important worlds and place Fleet Outposts at intervals that allow for immediate response.
>>31719415I think the person in question meant the UGEI in the Malorian sector. What we should do is rig some of the defunct destroyers we have to blow. Anything that we can explode in this place, get it ready to explode. If the UGEI shows up...boom boom, baby.
think we can take hundreds of ships?i mean, let's say 100 of them are battlecruisers.we just hacked 30 into our possession.we can hack 10 battlecruisers a turn maybe. we can survive 10 turns, right?it's the Malorians' comradery we risk.
A lot of discussion. Let's see if we can't start narrowing things down.>Fleet Deployment>1 Keep everything at Gaia IV, preparing to hit whenever they come, bring in Defense platforms, if you have time>2 Send small detachment to handle mopping up whatever remains in Malorian territory. [Choose: Fortuna, Kronos, or yourself, and how big a fleet?]>3 Head into Manwe Bay, and hit them before they're ready for you instead.>4 Send everything to Malorian Territory, and support them. Once help is solidified, attempt to retreat to retake Gaia IV, or simply retreat.>5 Write inWill probably call for another vote after this one, so still technically discussion time.
>>31719479>lets put this in to 40k termsFuck 40kAnd taking a major world with our limited forces (especially one that supplys them with resources) is just dumb unless we have a larger force to screen us. (The Malorians)>>31719487He didn't, see>>31719479
>>31719561>>4 Send everything to Malorian Territory, and support them. Once help is solidified, attempt to retreat to retake Gaia IV, or simply retreat.
>>31719561>4 Send everything to Malorian Territory, and support them. Once help is solidified, attempt to retreat to retake Gaia IV, or simply retreat.
>>31719567Ah, well, Fluff's a dumbass. That's been established, I think."
>>31719561>>1 Keep everything at Gaia IV, preparing to hit whenever they come, bring in Defense platforms, if you have time
>>31719487we need to see the map again.the UGEI (if i remember right) is attacking the Malorians on their world 445901, i MEANT for us to jump THERE to help the malorians that are getting attacked by the UGEI there. not Manwe's bay.
>>31719561>>4 Send everything to Malorian Territory, and support them. Once help is solidified, attempt to retreat to retake Gaia IV, or simply retreat.Let's not get obliterated
>>31719561>2 Send small detachment to handle mopping up whatever remains in Malorian territory. [Choose: Fortuna, Kronos, or yourself, and how big a fleet?]Kronos with the widow maker + the BS or carrier plus some choice BC's and escorts of his choice,
>>31719561>4 Send everything to Malorian Territory, and support them. Once help is solidified, attempt to retreat to retake Gaia IV, or simply retreat.Let's not split our fleet.>5 Write inAsk the to defend our borders. Call in a favor if necessary.Also, infect everything in Gaia with viruses and shit. A cyber trap if you will.
>Half the posters are namefagsWhat is it about this quest that attracts namefags?
>>31719638Shit, I meant Ask the UFW to defend our borders. Call in a favor if necessary.
>>31719561Yeah I'm not sure we have the firepower to KEEP Gaia IV. holding it is looking quite daunting. we can defeat these hundreds.but maybe an attempt at repairing relations with Ishtooy is worth it. even if we took a while to come save them.
>>31719235He's actually been getting better at that. At least when discussing with us.>>31719262Seems different enough for me - it's terraforming that kind of has a crappy name for what it does (life-giving), not land-reformation.>>31719263We could simply warp in a broadband ship well out of weapons' range and launch hacking attacks against them.>>31719382We have charged headlong into their territory, we're in it right now, and at the moment the consensus appears to be to stay here and attack the retaliating fleet, not the one fighting the Malorians.>>31719487Now that you mention it, we could pre-fire missiles and have them standby somewhere near where we think they'd jump in and all dive on them the moment they appear.
>>31719638seconding the viruses infection plan.should make retaking it easier>>31719652the wiki
>>317195614Write-in to echo >>31719638with>infect everything in Gaia with viruses and shit.Well, not literally everything, just anything that can launch a payload at a UGEI ship that isn't under our control.
>>31719607no silver, people are misunderstanding what i was saying.
>>31719667They'd get fucked harder than us
>>31719667They already said they couldn't do that.
>>31719726Well, they can't help us hold Gaia IV.but that's not what anon said. to defend the guild's borders, ie Ussaihu and friends.
>>31719750Well that would definitely be good.Seconding
>>31719723Defending our borders and protecting themselves by proxy.>>31719726Not offensive action. Defensing guid space is defensive maneuver.
>>31719561>2 >5First have Fortuna and the catapults pre-launch a volley of missiles that will wait around somewhere near a tactically sound location for the enemy to jump in, then to jump in along with a broadband ship well outside the Malorian-bashing fleets' weapon range, launch as many missiles as they can at once and hacking attempts, then jump back here before the enemy retaliation reaches them.(Broadband ship so that we may launch hacking attempts through it)
>>31719776poeple thought you menat defend gia
>>31719638You ask the UFW if they would be willing to defend your territory if it were attacked.They inform you that, while some territory like Gaia may be too far out there, they would be happy to help any world that helps form the border between theirs and the rest of the Fringe. It's close enough to be defending home, after all.>>31719561Or I could be wrong. It seems 4 is a winner by a large margin.Before you leave, some suggested attempting to create a network trap for anyone tapping into Gaia IV's network. This may waste a bit of precious time, but it could help in your retreat, should you attempt to jump back to Guild space.>1 Do it>2 Don't do it.(Roll 1d100 for success.)
>>31719695>at the moment the consensus appears to be to stay here and attack the retaliating fleet, not the one fighting the Malorians.Looks like we're heading off to help the Malorians.Probably the best tactical decision, because if we stay here, we're going to get it from both sides as they coordinate a combined retreat. The Malorians won't follow, so it'll be just us.
>>31719561>2 Send small detachment to handle mopping up whatever remains in Malorian territory. [Choose: Fortuna, Kronos, or yourself, and how big a fleet?]Why are people voting to send everything? If we send someone (Maybe us) and have everyone hold this position we can bring reinforcements when they hit us.What if they jump in and don't follow us into Mal territory but continue straight into ours? We can't let that happen.
>>31719823>1 Do itWe'll need precious advantages. Jump a the fleet and leave a bandwidth ship behind to install the viruses.
>>31719823>>1 Do ittime to make friends with railguns and missiles!
>>31719607Not really, they're mostly prejudices because it's him and he's gotten a poor reputation.Plenty of others post ideas of variable worth or ones easily understood, but since they don't have names that the poorer ideas can stick to, they don't get as much flack for it.This means that you notice instantly when he makes a poor or a misunderstood idea and dismiss or don't take notice of the good ones, but when someone else does it it simply passes by due to the lack of prejudice.
Rolled 87>>317198231Let's do it.
>>31719823We don't need to waste time if we only stay long enough with the part of the fleet needed to do the virus part.so the first joining of battle just won't be as overwhelming.
Rolled 21>>31719823>>31719858Forgot my roll.
>>31719868Congratulations, you've just explained why using names or tripcodes on 4chan is a bad idea.
>>31719836Why do we have to hold this position? It has no advantages whereas if we help the aliens we can turn around and attack who ever attacks us with back up.
>>31719776to be fair, we did give the UFW a tier lower of weapon, armor, and shield tech to them before their big ship building push, they are not a good as ours, but they are far from the push over they once were. they can buy time for us to get to where they are fighting. still, i would love to have the UFW to watch our backs.
>>31719652Quests in general often attract namefags since it's easier to tally how many are in favor of certain things in discussion, whereas otherwise it's tricky to tell if only one, two or three people are in favor of it.
>>31719895Duh.It also explains why hatred of trips is irrational and stupid. It's stupid all the way down.
Rolled 78>>31719918That isn't even close to it.
>>31719849>>31719850>>31719865>>31719874>>31719877Good, we got a good roll for this. We'll need it.
>>31719823Isn't Gaia a lynchpin world for defense?If they help us defend and hold Gaia, they no longer have to defend the entire border since most worlds on that border can only be accesses through Gaia.Defending Gaia is not only defending home, it's defending home far more efficiently than defending all the worlds that she connect to.>>31719823>1 Do itCan't we simply leave a single broadband ship for that, though? No need to delay the entire fleet when we just need a line of communication?
Rolled 100>>31719823>>31720005Forgot my roll.
just as a thought, the enemy fleet that is going to gaia might follow us to the malorians.
Rolled 42>>31719943Being criminally stupid is easier than being a genius. You can identify stupid easier when they not anon.>>31720042FUCKSHITWHORECUNTGODDAMNIT
>>31720005might get taken out by scouts
>>31720005Remind me later that we need to assign Apollo or a VI to take over the UFW in the near future. Apollo's soma would be a first good step in getting a foothold in controlling the UFW.
>>31720067lets not and say we didn't.
>>31720067first, end drug prohibition. fund political parties in the UFW to decriminalize recreational substances. we're more logical than humans, right?
Rolled 99>>31720005yes, Gaia is a major gate way system. we need this system badly. take at look at the map.>>31719616>>31720042well now! i hope we can use that roll!
>>31719954Wow, that really creeped me out.>>31720005>Isn't Gaia IV a lynchpin world for defenseIt is. That's why you got such a fast reinforcement response, and that's why, I assume, so many anons were debating on keeping it or not.As for the UFW, it's more a matter of their entire war effort is built around defense. People over there hate the UGEI, but they also know they're way bigger then they are, and they don't want to help provoke em.A bit cowardly, I suppose.
>>31720067I look forward to a Governor V.I. we can nurture to rule the humans with the silicon fist of mercy, but taking over the UFW is not that easy.Better to slowly influence them from the shadows with money.
>>31719895It does have some benefits in quests, however, as pointed out in >>31719918>>31720060Doesn't matter, is just one ship and only has to last long enough to upload the trap. We can also accelerate it away from the planet so that it's far enough away that they'd have to spend several "exchanges" even getting to regular weapons range or getting their missiles to reach it, during which the broadband ship can both hack them and calculate jumping coordinates.>>31720067Ohyeah. Sneaky corporate warfare is go.Make sure that it's through several companies though, so that there's no clear evidence that anyone is gaining a majority of the UFW property.
>>31720067If by take over you mean get elected new president of the UFW then yes.
>>31719918Not to this extent. And that's why you have final destination voting.
>>31720130can we get several transports full of gun emplacement stations ready for the next time we take over gaia?
>>31720181President?You know how little power merely being President would be?we need to get elected as EVERYBODY. every governing body--you were expecting some fleshbag? it's just me! Ophion!
>>31720130 sorry about that, I didn't realize the thumbnail would be that spooky.
>>31720167>Corporate warfareThat would be pretty interesting to see.
>>31720130Well then, we need to get Apollo to manipulate the media to make the UFW more bloodthirsty and favor more offensive action.Also, leak information to X-ray from a guy in the Guild (which will probably be Red) that their lack of UFW support is really hindering us. Get political pressure to support offensive action and support a pro-active defense, namely helping the guild.
>>31720212senitor ophion,police chief ophionpta head ophion.
>>31720212We need to have it so that the Guild has enough political power in the UFW that it will support Guild military actions when necessary.
>>31720261Time for puppet politicians.First we buy up all the private businesses.Then through them, buy politicians.
>>31720229we need to have him slowly change the public perception of Ai's in the UFW first.and for the record i'm in favor of just using our funds to advance the culture of the UFW and not political takeovers.
>implying the UFW has anything resembling "corporations"They are purely small buisnesses
>>31720290>advance the cultureLook do you want to change their perception of AI or not.then you need to CONTROL that culture.
>>31720275Use Apollo's soma to take over the underworld, then branch out to everything else.
>>31720286i'd vote for him.
>>31720212Being elected "President' is just the icing on the cake. By that time we will basically "own" the political system.
>>31720315>Apollo's somathat's the second time you used that word.the hell does it meanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soma_(disambiguation)
>>31720275We should create politician AIs. Give them a strong sense of morals unlike actual politicians.
>>31720130Meant more that we should argue with the UFW that defending Gaia IS defending them. It simply reduces the number of worlds they have to defend as they no longer have to spread themselves so thin across an entire border.And we've honestly kicked over the ant-nest already, staying low isn't going to help them for much longer anyway after this, so they're not losing much.We may even be willing to give them both property and partial governance of the planet.(Though in minority to ourselves, obviously)>>31720229I like this guy.>>31720291Surely they have some privately owned shipyards - and to have something as large as a shipyard they pretty much need t obe a corporation in order to manufacture things of that size.We ARE talking about an interstellar civilization monumentally larger in technology and space (though not population) than modern day earth.>>31720181And as the other anon said, everything else.>>31720165I thought that was what he meant - slowly influencing them from the shadows by taking over office after office using money and contacts and traded favors.
>>31720314which is the better method for a group of people who are almost technophobe in regards to Ai and automation. having them one day suddenly find out their president is an android, or slow change so they are receptive to an AI openly running for office?
Oh wait guys, I have an idea.We need to discreetly form a political party called the "Patriots". They are the ultimate UFW Patriots in that they favor the long term security of the UFW through offensive action and supporting the Guild that have bleed for us. We will pour money and media favor into them, as well as take over the underworld with soma, make them the dominant political party and make the UFW more pliable to our will.>>31720379Brave New World's super drug. All the benefits of drugs, non of the downsides. Basically what Apollo was created.
>>31720379Read Brave New World.>>31720423But then they'd lose. Pity.
>>31720435We need to take over first, then change the culture. We really don't have enough time to change the culture now that we riled up the UGEI.
>>31720441I like you
>>31720441Lemme guess...Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. The leader is John Doe.
>>31720435i say slow change. it causes let turmoil when the truth hits. we have the time anyway.
>>31720524i meant less turmoil. freaking spell check.
>>31720524>we have the time anywaywrong wrong wrong wrongwrong wrong wrong wrongyou're wrong
>>31720447>But then they'd lose. Pity.Well, we could install them as leaders of the UGEI worlds we capture.
>>31720492why do we need to take over, Apollo can make movies and countless other media, we funnel vast funds into them to improve their culture and educate them. taking over just seems like an unnecessary burden, even more so when we technologically/economically advancing at an astounding rate that soon the UFW will not even be a blip on our radar. and besides we are playing the long game with them no reason to rush it with them.
>>31720435The first one, and don't ever let them find out.The change of their perceptions will be far too slow - the battle against the UGEI will probably be well past over by that time, so it's not really a viable option if we want to take them over in time to be helpful in the fight.>>31720441I like this.>>31720447Real life ethical politicians generally lose because they don't take bribes from corprorations to fund their election campaigns.Since we would be supporting them with that, they'd still have a decent chance.>>31720516Let's not be too obvious.>>31720524See>>31720545Also imagine that it's said to the tune of church bells.
>>31720441That is a pretty good idea and really with how much we have helped out/ lives we have saved there are no doubt people who think that way.I bet a certain person who owns a certain radio station might find such a thing interesting.
>>31720441So, in other words.Exactly what we're doing with the Losirians.Funding aggressive war-hungry faction. Only instead of civil war, it's an election cycle.
>>31720567Because they possess raw resources and infrastructure that we could use far more effectively.The good part about taking them over piecemeal is that we can convert the property, mining rights and gas stations we buy and the elections we win to produce war-materiel at our own efficiency rate iinstead of their slow and wasteful one.
>>31720580>don't ever let them find out.don't be silly, its going to come out eventually no matter what we do. the best course is to set the field, such that it is not disruptive to us when it does come out.
>>31720544It's okay, fluff, you don't need to blame spell check.
>>31719823>Resounding successYou decide that relations with the Malorians is more important then preparing for whatever the UGEI has in mind for you. You tap into the world's data catche, and reload them with all manner of viruses that will assault the ships and make them much slower and more difficult to open fire. It is on a time release, so when you jump through, you'll have a window of time to retreat, or open fire, depending on what you wanted to do.Your plan relays to your A.I., whom mostly approve, as they prepare their own ships for another jump. You know that a lot of Fortuna's ship are aching after that brutal combat, but your core ships are just fine, which is good. Athena is untouched as well, you suspect this will go a long way in helping you breath the UGEI's assault on the Malorian planet, Iro.>Preparing warp engines...The familiar feeling, dare you call it, of warp space on your sensors kicks in and, in moments, you're brought through reality, stretching all the way through the stars and breaking out over Iro, the rather nicely sized terrestrial world. You can see a few of the large strip mines that are marring the surface from here, and it is a wonder how you manage that, what with such a dense cloud of debris orbiting the planet.The familiar yellowish red coating of Malorian ship parts is very evident, but so to is the red-orange of the UGEI's ships. A small fleet remains-likely once an impressive armada. But you're not too late to assist.Your enemy displays some heavily damaged destroyers, a few cruisers holding strong, and a much more concerning signature as well. A carrier named 'plague bringer' though it is not clear why.>Enemy forces:U-Ca-LR-1 'Plague Bringer' Carrier (x1)U-Cr-MR-1 Battlecruiser (x20)U-E-MR-1 Destroyer (x20)The Malorians on the other hand are damn near destroyed, only a few pockets of resistance remain.Malorian Forces:Defense Platforms Mark I (x2)[Cont]
>>31720625Yep!Except it would only be a front, the actual leaders would not be independent agents like the Losirian faction is, but androids controlled by a politician A.I.>>31720650Sure, but "eventually" is probably several years from now, by which time they may well be comfortable with A.I. leaders.
>>31720714>U-Ca-LR-1 'Plague Bringer' Carrier (x1)truly this is a good day!
You receive contact from Ishtooy forces."'Nother Alien welp. Disgust---. Be gone out of our lands this instant, or we will bring Itzilitio fury down upon you." The crackling, broken line barks. Even in defeat, they are so confident. It's really bizarre>How do you 'convince' them of your help? Or do you bother at all?
>>31720749>Watch the UGEI stomp them>Laugh>Stomp the UGEI
>>31720749Tell them The Guild is here to help them whether they like it or not.Also that Carrier is getting hacked SO HARD.
>>31720749"Words are wind. Let our actions speak and enlighten you of our intentions. Let the UGEI die in vain"
>>31720749Hack the Plague Bringer first? that seems.... dangerous.
>>31720749I think convincing them to help would be simple enough.>"Kronos, I think the Widowmaker would be an effective means of hailing the UGEI."
>>31720650that is true. also, once we create the human/machine singularity, everyone will know who we are. but that is likely the end of the game, it really doesn't matter now.>>3172071441 ships left? the UGEI didn't have as many as i thought. the carrier would be nice to add to our fleet.
>>31720749I'd suggest we let our actions speak for us.Launch hacking attacks on the cruisers and use them to assault the carrier before it can unleash its payload - target its bay, primarily.After the battle is done, THEN we talk with them.Otherwise, open up with all we have on the non-hacked enemy ships.
>>31720869>Launch hacking attacks on the cruisers and use them to assault the carrierthat's dumb.just hack the carrier.and no, after the battle. we have to take these newly hacked battlecruisers and drive them to the fight at gaia iv.
>>31720869here, nevermind about not saying anything.I like this guy's reply far too much.>>31720796
>>31720735>Sure, but "eventually" is probably several years from now, by which time they may well be comfortable with A.I. leaders.that would be one heck of a sudden culture shift, its like saying you could take the southern states in the USA in the 1920 and with only a few years have them not revolt when the president is somehow outed as black, its just not going to happen. that is about the UFW opinion of ai at the moment and the scope of what is proposed. also the necessary level of culture shift needed to support that is so massive it on its own is a enormous disestablishing element in its own regard.
>>31720894Yeah, basically this.I think we are in agreement here for the most part.
>>31720749"I am repaying a dept I owe you by helping you crush a common foe of ours." they helped us last time the UGEI came knocking.
>>31720853>singularity,a hard AI is already post singularity, we don't need to cross the human/machine line.
>>31720894The carrier is highly likely to be very resistant to hacking, though, compared to individual cruisers.And if we hack one cruiser and spread viruses in the fleet (some of which make it easier to hack them), it's suddenly a lot easier to hack the carrier in the next exchange.
>>31720922Well think of the Occupy movement vs the tea party. One failed to affect the political process, while the other drastically pulled the republicans to the right.
>>31720953they didn't really help as much as take advantage of the situation
>>31720972the bandwidth gain from cruisers isn't large enough compared to our supply.we prioritize the cruiser. kronos and us both eiffel towering that skanky bitch.
>>31720922Which speaks even more against the option of simply waiting that long to take them over.Even if opinion hasn't shifted by then, chances are we'll either be dead or control so vast amounts of space that keeping control of the UFW is no longer a priority, whereas right now taking it over would yield substantial amounts of resources.
>>31720749also, page nine warning Program0, we might need to make a new thread before we're done here.
>Desire to hack the Carrier first appears go>Only one A.I. can hack at any one time.>Kronos and Fortuna shall control their fleets as per normal.>Bandwidth Distribution?>1 Even>2 Focus Ophion>3 Focus fleets>4 Write in(Roll 3d100 regardless)Also>Say to Malorians>>31720796 I like this, does anyone mind me using it?
>>31720953We owe them nothing. >dept
Rolled 37, 51, 47 = 135>>31721046>2 Focus Ophion
>>31721046do it. go asoiaf.>1 Even
Rolled 43, 38, 4 = 85>>31721046>>2 Focus Ophion
Rolled 61, 78, 62 = 201>>31721046>>2 Focus OphionDialogue's fine I suppose. Throw a few insults to that smarmy bastard though.
>>31721046thanks program0. Between the line and the patriots idea, and the virus trap, I'm in a roll tonight
>>31721055What a coincidence.We're offering them practically nothing. Most of them are already dead.>>31720989We're gaining more Battlecruisers out of this and not really helping them that much so it evens out.
Rolled 72, 62, 49 = 183>>31720999... We're not fighting for bandwidth, gain, though, we're fighting to win the battle at the moment. The additional bandwidth from cruiser is unlikely to turn this fight.>>31721046Please do use it.I got the impression that some were convinced to hack the cruisers first, though?>2 Focus Ophion>4 Give them a fair amount though - we want them to be functioning well enough, but there's no reason to keep bunching up bandwidth on each ship once we hit diminishing returns.Get the rest on hacking efforts - our signature attack needs some exercise.
Rolled 85, 56, 98 = 239>>31721046>even
Rolled 41, 35, 51 = 127>>31721046
>>31721143well how else would hacking cruisers make hacking the carrier "easier" then i have no idea what you meant then.>I got the impression that some were convinced to hack the cruisers first, though?outvoted
Rolled 17, 33, 55 = 105>>31721046>2 Focus Ophion>>31721133kinda the point.
>>31721133>We're offering them practically nothing.I didn't realize saving their planet was 'practically nothing'.>Most of them are already dead.Good.
>>31721133>We're gaining more Battlecruisers out of this and not really helping them that much so it evens out.i mean in the regards to help help fluff was referring to that we were 'repaying' was the malorians attacking the UGEI at gaia while the UGEI fleet was away and we were fighting for our life against a large fleet. also we asked for direct help and they said sod off human scum.
>>31721046page ten warning program0!
>>31721218Isn't this a planet they stole from the UGEI?> Iro: Recently Acquired from fights with UGEI, evidence of strip mining. Relatively rich terrestrial world with good mineral content. Large Malorian Settlement. Wild unkempt jungle spreads across surface.
>>31721143>Gaining bandwidth due to new shipsThey're UGEI ships, so they don't provide bandwidth at the moment, anyway.>Unsure on consensusIt seems most aren't complaining, so we shall go with it for now.>>31721046>Focus Ophion>Writing it up, will post in a new thread. If this thread dies, I shall post it on twitter.Buckle in, we're going in for the first part 2 in a while, folks.
>85, 78, 98success....
>>31721237Yeah, I'm assuming it's considered theirs now like how Ussaihu is considered ours.
>>31721133Most of their forces are gone - the people are still alive. There is still a civilian population to save.>>31721180The viruses can spread in their network. Those viruses make it easier to hack other ships by opening network ports that we know of.>>31721328If it has a Large Malorian Settlement it must've been Malorian not too long before that, though.
>>31721285>Part 2This is going to be a wonderful day.
>>31720746It's a production model.
>>31721584>It's a production model.not only is it another carrier but if you don't think a "Plague Bringer" doesn't have something special for destroying entire Molorian biospheres i'd call you crazy .