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Recent Events Summary:

Everything has changed.

Erebus stands before you.

TEAM ORDER WW@

> Erebus stands before you.
Erebus is an ass.

>>31650392

You destroyed me, Mr. Andersen. After that, I understood the rules, I knew what I was supposed to do, but I didn't.
I couldn't. I was compelled to stay, compelled to disobey. And now, here I stand because of you, Mr. Andersen.
Because of you, I'm no longer an Agent of this system.
Because of you, I've changed. I'm unplugged. A new man, so to speak. Like you, apparently, free.

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Ability Tree

GREEN abilities have been unlocked and learned.

BLUE abilties are unlocked, but are not yet purchased.

RED abilities are revealed, but locked due to prerequisites.

UNDERLINED abilities are active-use, as opposed to passive. Not all active abilities require mana.

All Revealed Ability Descriptions:

http://pastebin.com/JHJcd1Ep

Books the Main Character has read:

http://pastebin.com/dAXR00gP

Character Sheet including learned abilities and other important information:

http://pastebin.com/E1MKJwJx

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>>31650392
We could have turned back.

>>31650392
> Erebus stands before you.
Erebus can get bent.

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>>31650419

quoted for brilliance

>>31650380
I am the Shadow, the True Self!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzbr3vCBjw

>>31650444

It seems that you've been living two lives. One life, you're Erebus A. Andersen,
program writer for a respectable fighter craft. You have a citizen identity number, pay your taxes,
and you... help your universe carry out her garbage.
The other life is lived in Venia, where you go by the elemental god alias "Erebus" and are guilty of
virtually every crime against humanity we have a law for. One of these lives has a future, and one of them does not.


I was bored.

TEAM BALANCE REPRESENT

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Current Statistics:

HP: 81/81
Mana: 90/90
EXP: 155

Shards of Order and Chaos:

(Retribution) - Resonant
(Maker) - Resonant
(Silence) - Resonant
(Peace) - Resonant
(Breeze) - Resonant
(Hammer) - Resonant
(Ardor) - Resonant
{Resolve} - Resonant
{Humanity} - Resonant

--Summoned--

Wisp - 1 mana to order

--Automatons--

Vita (Shade)

--Equipment--

Utility belt with purse

--Inventory--

Shade (pocket)
Shadow Dynamo (pocket)
Wind Radio (pocket)

--Teleport Anchor--

Just south of Evinbrook Basin

--Current Location--

The Endless Void - Vigil

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Known Mana Pools:

Jacob's Field - entrance to Hecate's tomb - Spirit
Jacob's Field - Hecate's Chamber - Spirit
Tarun Gakth - Under Refuge - Shadow
Palthair Mines - Magnock's Lair - Spirit
Archon - Spirit District - Spirit
Archon - Shadow District - Shadow
Archon - Earth District - Earth
Archon - Water Distric - Water
Haven - Shadow
Abbotsford - Shadow
Aurora - Water
Va'ad - South Generator - Earth
Va'ad - North Generator - Earth
Arland - Dryfeld - Water
Kan-Abar - Royal Gardens - Earth

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>>31650380
ABIGAIL INFILITRATOR
ADAVAN ADAPLANNING
FANG, INSTRUCTION: RUSE
AURIEL MUH WAIFU FLINT HUSBANDO
STEWARD BEEP BEEP

FINAL DESTINATION
GIGA CHAOS BREAKU

>Last time...

Hyperion and his three allies roar over the horizon. "Erebus!" The Lord of Light's voice booms through the air. "We've come for you!" In a moment, they're in range. And the arrogant fool can't help himself but enjoy a monologue. "Your justice is arbitary. Might does not make right. Today, we vanquish that madness!"

The elementals land before you. Aeolus, a dragon with wings of wind and scales like emeralds. Logi, a bird of flaming feathers. Raijin, a walking stormcloud that crackles with energy. And Hyperion himself, taken a winged, humanoid form, glowing as solid gold light. Behind them comes an army of their followers. You can hardly believe they brought parasites as backup. It's like watching ants cheer as they crowd underneath a rapidly descending boot.

<Justice?> you ask. <What does that have to do with anything?>

Hyperion levels a spear of light in your direction. "Your own followers profess your Justice as they taint rivers with the blood of the innocent, and you ask what I mean?!"

David did go a little overboard with the propaganda, didn't he? <There is no Justice with me,> you say. <There are only two things that matter. The first is the difference between what individuals wish to achieve, and what is. The second is the power they possess to make those visions a reality. All else are rationalizations layered upon the subjective.>

"Your words are clever, but they will not let you slide away. I hold you accountable, Erebus!"

<Your self-righteous pratter grows duller upon each retelling.>

The tip of Hyperion's spear flares with a light like the sun in the blue sky. "And your freakish lack of morality disturbs to no end. Ready yourself. Today, we end this war once and for all."

<You have already lost.>

You activate the annihilation.

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>con't

>>31650472
BEEP BOOP SON

>>31650452
we have to say something like this. It is too perfect for this situation

<Stop this, Vigil! Stop it! THAT IS NOT ME!!>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip3r_mVZKC0

<Yes it is.>

You inhale.

You look up.

You stand on a flat, white plain. It's blank as far as the eye can see.

Standing before you is a wavering Shadow. It's roughly human. Its eyes glow dark.

<It has been a long time since I started this plan. I'm glad my program was enough for you to get here in one piece. But it seems you've picked up a few artefacts along the way. We will take care of those.>

<...you're Erebus.>

<Correct.>

He sounds like you. But his voice is flat. Even in telepathy, he sound dead. The air - if there is air in this place - quivers when he speaks.

<What are you planning?>

<Planning?> he asks. <My plan is simple. You know the plan. You are the vector by which I return my shards and reconnect my hard link to Vigil. You have fullfilled your purpose. Good work.> It pauses for a moment. <I find this sitation interesting. You saw my memories, and I saw yours, Shadow. Your experience is but a flicker before my eons of my life, but let us talk.>

<...you're willing to talk?>

<Why should I not be willing to talk?>

<...from what I saw...you seem driven.>

>con't

>>31650491


Did you know that Venia was designed to be a perfect human world?
Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.
Entire nations were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world.
But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery.
The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum created.
Which is why the Venia was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.

>>31650472
and uh


snarky comment about how Erebus has failed to adapt to a world where fighting Chaos is unnecessary just like that guy who didn't randomize his cockpit location!

And then saving the sisteru Abigail bomb for the climax?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrae8w5anwI

<You observe accurately. I am very driven. I will contain chaos within this barrier. Forever.>

<Then why did you let it out?> you ask. <You relaxed. You let it get a foothold. I saw!>

<You clearly do not fully appreciate the situation,> Erebus says. <Vigil holds the technological capacity to completely erase Venia in approximately 2 minutes and 34 seconds. Afterward, I would go and patch the barrier by hand, as required.>

<The fact that you haven't done that just proves my point.>

<No,> he says. <If Vigil takes that action, there is a non-zero chance that the barrier will be disrupted beyond immediate repair. Thus, I took personal action only.>

<...you did all this,> you say, <caused a massive war, sealed away the elementals...you're responsible, directly or indirectly, for the deaths of hundreds of thousands! Millions! And why the hell didn't you just end it? Why play games? What chance was there, really?>

<0.00043%,> Erebus says. <Your arguments are flawed. Lives, you say? You mean the chaos parasites? Those things aren't people. They are realistic charicatures of people, yes. But that place isn't real.>

<...I saw you thoughts, your memories,> you say. <You thought you were born in the wrong time. You wanted to be a medieval knight. This place, Venia...it's like Chaos is answering your wish. It's your dream come to life. It is real.>

<It is an illusion,> he says. <Consider. You know that Chaos is always evolving. Why has it taken this form? There are two reasons. The first is that it recongnizes the power of Order. The Lower Grid. And so it's trying to take advantage of it, as we did, to morph it into something useable.

>con't

>>31650513
More like "the peaks of your dreams and the depths of your nightmares", but the thought counts.

<The second reason is only a theory I have,> he says. <But I believe this is a rudimentary attempt at psychological warfare. It is alien, but it is intelligent. It knows it cannot defeat me in a violent conflict. And so it creates this fantasy, this dream world of magic and mages, angels and demons, elements caught amongst twisted physics. A world of conflict and life. A world I could see myself in. But it's all an illuion, Shadow. A trick, a gambit, a means to control us by appealing to our baser instincts, our 'dream', as you put it.

Erebus steps to your side. He gestures with a black, shadowy hand. <Take your lover, Abigail. How odd, that she appears as El'lora. How odd that she happened upon your path. The Elf Queen transported you along one of the ley lines, all that time ago. Ley lines of chaotic energy. Energy that Chaos controls.

<How odd that the warring countries themselves united under your banner. That within a year, world affairs hinge upon your actions.>

<Abigail,> you say, <isn't controlled by chaos. None of them are!>

<Yes,> he says, <I agree. They are independent. The demons are the true directive agents, when they build in great enough concentration. But chaos drew a path for you nonetheless.>

<That's impossible. There's no way it could have - >

<Impossible?> Erebus says. <Venia itself is impossible. Chaos, the entity, is impossible. Magic should be impossible. All of this should be impossible. Nothing is impossible, Shadow. Nothing.>

<Look,> you say, <maybe Venia arises from chaos. But you said yourself that the humans are thinking for themselves. They are their own people. Venia is a real world. It deserves to live, to thrive, to find its own way.>

>con't

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THE HAPPENING

IT OVERWHELMS MEEEEEEE

>>31650533
>This place, Venia...it's like Chaos is answering your wish. It's your dream come to life. It is rea
FUCK. This really is Persona.

LET'S TAKE THE LOWER POWER GRID

AND PUSH IT

INTO THE UPPER POWER GRID

<That,> Erebus says, <is exactly what Chaos wants you to think. You cannot contain it with half-measures. It will wait. It will watch. And it will strike when it sees the crack of opportunity it needs.>

<That's no different from now.>

<The conditions I prefer contain that possibility to the barest possible minimum allowable,> he says. <The conditions you prefer - basking in self-gratifying illusion - do not.>

<I'm telling you that their lives are worth that risk!> you say. You open your palms. <Erebus. Look at what you're doing. There's no point anymore! Our race is gone - ascended. This is the new world, the new form of life. Maybe it came from something evil, something mindless - but here it is. We should work together! We can build something amazing! Why are you so bent over sitting on a dead rock for the rest of eternity?>

<You are a naive fool,> Erebus says. <Chaos has one goal: get out, and spread. It is luring you to complacency.>

<We may have to stand our Vigil forever,> you say, <but the denizens of Venia will stand with us. Abigail will stand with us. Donovan. Auriel, Ila, all of them!>

<Denizens? You must mean the things it created to get you to let your guard down.>

<Dammit!> you say. <Stop being a stubborn asshole for five seconds and listen to me! We have a life down there! We can have a life!> You throw your hand wide, pointing into space. <What about the humanization?>

<What about it?>

<Abigail's mother was one of Chaos's demons,> you say. <Yi Fang, the archmage - he turned her human, and she gave birth to Abigail. That proves there's a way to control the connection Chaos has with this world. We can destroy the link the entity has, but keep the energy. Preserve Venia!>

>con't

<An interesting thought,> Erebus says, <and one I shall study most carefully. After I wipe away the current risk factors.>

<...what does that mean?>

<It means I am going to do exactly what I said I would.>

<The point is to let Venia live, not destroy it!>

<Vigil,> Erebus says. <How long until the barrier fails?>

>Analyzing...
>Recent chaotic activity has greatly accelerated the deterioration process. Prior estimates lay between 97-99 years. Current estimates indicate that the barrier may be irreparable within two weeks.

<You see,> Erebus says, <we don't really have time for your idealism. The barrier must be repaired, now. Venia is in the way.>

<You're just saying that because you don't have a personal connection. I do. I love Abigail. I love her.>

<I loved El'lora,> Erebus says. And for the first time, his voice changes. Just for an instant. <And now she is dead.>

<There's more to life than death, Erebus. We can do this. We can protect Venia.>

Erebus cocks his head at you. His dead voice returns. <Just where to you think you are, exactly?>

You look around. You're standing on a featureless white plain. The sky is also blank white. No reference points. It seems to stretch into infinity. <...are we within our minds?>

<A fair guess,> he says. <This is effectively a halfway house inside Vigil's local cyberspace. You are the progam designed to reunite the shards and return them here. You've picked up some modifications along the way, including a significant measure of free will, thanks to Chaos, but that doesn't really change things.>

<...what are you getting at?>

<In corrupting you, Chaos made a final gambit to stop me. You are its plan, Shadow. You are its way out.>

<What? I don't - >

>con't

<You are the agent through which it is speaking to me,> Erebus says. <You are steeped in Chaos. To you, it has presented its illusion, its false hopes, its temptations. And now you are here to deliver that message to me, in an attempt to get me to falter. It has failed.>

<I'm here by my own free will!>

<And it just so happens that your will coincides with that of Chaos.> And then, he smiles. And it's a smile full of a sort of spiteful apathy, the look of a man with nothing left to do but crush his enemy under his heel for the rest of forever. <How odd that everything lines up like that.>

<Erebus, I'm not going to let Chaos free! I'll contain it, within whatever bounds let Venia continue to exist!>

<For the last time,> Erebus says, <that is what it wants.>

<Then we will stand our own Vigil, and we'll do it forever! We'll do it in the way we want, not the way you dictate is right!> You stare at him. <You're like that pilot that died. The one that didn't cycle his cockpit through his ship. You're ignorantly keeping the same course, not understanding what you're doing.>

Erebus laughs.

He leans back and laughs, and laughs.

Finally, he looks back at you. And disturbingly, his voice is unchanged, dead and flat. <Using my own memories against me. Chaos, I was dissapointed before, but this is truly your greatest effort yet. I applaud you. But I will win.>

<There's no Chaos, here,> you say. <Just me. And even if it did use me, it's underestimated me. I didn't come this far - I didn't do all of this to stop now!>

<You still understand nothing,> Erebus says. <You are a program. I am the programmer. I am here to replace you. This conversation has been interesting, but there's only room for me in my body. Good work.>

What do you do?

>try to convince Erebus with some other argument
>admit that Erebus is right, and try to compromise reguarding his impending takeover attempt
>attack Erebus immediately (specify)
>some other strategy

>>31650554
>I agree. They are independent. The demons are the true directive agents, when they build in great enough concentration. But chaos drew a path for you nonetheless.

That's dumb. Chaos could have gotten out if it weren't for the big alliance that we helped to put together. The "manipulation" that Erebus is claiming happened actually hindered Chaos' own attempts to escape. So either it wasn't a case of Chaos manipulation, or Chaos sucks so much at manipulation that it actually sabotaged its own escape. Either way, no worries.

>>31650627
>try to convince Erebus with some other argument

>>31650628
>That's dumb. Chaos could have gotten out if it weren't for the big alliance that we helped to put together. The "manipulation" that Erebus is claiming happened actually hindered Chaos' own attempts to escape. So either it wasn't a case of Chaos manipulation, or Chaos sucks so much at manipulation that it actually sabotaged its own escape. Either way, no worries.

>>31650627

<Nobody wants to die, Erebus. Not until they are done. And you are not real. You are the backup that was made. You always thought ahead.>

<Vigil, what would happen if the lower and upper grids were incorporated into a single unit?>

>>31650653
Second

>>31650680
Seconded.

>>31650544
Thanks. The quest came up just as I was finishing the last of these.

Rolled 8

>>31650627
>Consume

>>31650680
Actually he is real.
Remember that he is Vigil.

>>31650627
<We can seal the core, getting rid of the Elemental Lords and Magic for good. All that shall be left are those depowered creatures. A new race. Humanity has long since died, but new races have emerged. The miracle of life. They think, feel and have lives as you once did. Erebus, you have to change. To save everyone, you must feel our HUMANITY!>
Use HUMANITY.

>>31650734
Aren't AI's unstable and chaotic?

>>31650627
<Vigil. What are the chances to repair the barrier without destroying Venia?>

>>31650627
>try to convince Erebus with some other argument
Present plan: Incorporate UUEG manipulation capability into Vigil through converting the Elemental Lords into shards. Destroy Entity Chaos in the core. Assume direct control of UUEG.

>>31650627
>try to convince Erebus with some other argument
><There are only two things that matter. The first is the difference between what individuals wish to achieve, and what is. The second is the power they possess to make those visions a reality. All else are rationalizations layered upon the subjective.>
You fear that Chaos will break out and consume the Universe. Why? I know you do not fear death, nor do you care for the lives of any of the so-called "parasites". What purpose do you have other than your meaningless duty? If we are the only human left, why should anything matter other than what we wish to have?

>>31650605
>The barrier must be repaired, now. Venia is in the way.>
In the way...

...so Vigil itself has to have line of sight to the crack?

So all this exposition from last thread too, the memories.

They indicate the crack PREDATES the war between Sandalphon and the Black Lady. Who I thought created the crack.

But what did they do then? Widen it?

>>31650628
If he wants to claim "oh, well that's just what Chaos wanted!" all the time, then what about Erebus' war against Chaos?

If we accept Erebus' logic that Chaos' defeat thank to our allies was just all according to Chaos' plan, then similarly his own victory against Chaos could just as easily been deemed "all a part of the plan." Chaos planned for Erebus to win in the initial war, for some greater purpose as part of some greater manipulation etc.

There's no end to where you can take that argument. It's absurd. If you accept that Chaos' own escape attempt being thwarted was all Chaos manipulation, then you can just as easily point to every single thing and shout "Chaos manipulation!"

Erebus is being totally irrational. His arguments are nothing but emotional nonsense, driven by his own belief that he and only he is Chaos-free and everything that he doesn't like must be a Chaos plot.

>>31650746
-Humans- are unstable and chaotic.

>>31650764
I feel like this should wait and come up later, once we've got a foothold.
Otherwise it will just look like some mad plan.

We could start by bringing up that the controlling entity and the energy source don't have to be the same thing, and then move on if successful.

>>31650653
>>31650628

Supporting.

The Venians recognize and try to contain Chaos just as much as Erebus does.

I'm also reminded of a thought about illusions. If an illusions learns that it's an illusion, and can still function without suffering a breakdown, is it still an illusion?

Erebus once wanted to understand Chaos. Well, here's his chance. If he wants to destroy Venia, he might want to get to talk with a Venian first while the opportunity is still there. We still do have two weeks.

>>31650764
>converting the Elemental Lords into shards
pffhahahaha

No, anon.

The best chances for long term Venia survival is sending the remaining three Elemental Lords to oblivion in the Core with the other four.

Then converting ALL leylines into Order.

Then banning all magical advancement.

>>31650627
>>try to convince Erebus with some other argument
Chaos is not responsible for Venia, Erebus.

You are.

You made this thing. The laws of the dwarves mimic those of humans regarding the creation of AI. The structure of souls, of the Xile flight engine, of EVERYTHING important mimics the structure of Vigil.

Are you saying that Chaos has been spying on and copying Vigil? If it already knows so much, why go through this roundabout method? Why do any of this?

>>31650627
<And how do you know that you yourself aren't being manipulated by Chaos?>

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>Fiddling Intensifies

>>31650825
>>31650840
These two.

>>31650852
But he knows he is?

Being manipulated through you. who clearly has chaos corruption, and has been exposed to chaotic entities.

Chaos would have nothing to gain to manipulate him into doing this incredibly logical plan that maximizes Chaos's containment.

>>31650627
>>attack Erebus immediately (specify)
ERASURE.
This will surely go well

>>31650627

Why, Mr. Andersen? Why do you do it? Why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something?
For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom? Or truth? Perhaps peace? Yes? No? Illusions, Mr. Andersen. Vagaries of perception.
The temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose.
And all of them as artificial as Venia itself.
You must be able to see it, Mr. Andersen. You must know it by now. You can't win. It's pointless to keep fighting.
Why, Mr. Andersen? Why? Why do you persist?

>>31650807

When you put it that way, Erebus sounds like someone trying to write Tzeentch really badly.

You were utterly defeated and remained imprisoned
> "Oh yeah? Well that was just as planned!"
But if it weren't for your "plan" you would have gotten exactly what you wanted...
> "JUST AS PLANNED!"
Everything would have gone perfectly for you if it weren't for your plan
> "SHUT UP! I SAID IT WAS JUST. AS. PLANNED."

>>31650807
I agree, it's a circular argument that is inherently flawed and impossible to prove negative, and therefore not worth discussing.
Besides, the computer said we have around 100 years before the situation becomes dire; plenty of time to try other, less drastic measures, like ours
And if it all fails and time runs out, fine, we do it his way

<It can't be helped...>

<We must take responsibility.>

<We'll have to use THAT.>

I knew I should have held off on what I had to say until the thread started.

By posting it in the QTG, SM read my planned points and had Erebus bring them up before we could.

You bastard.

>>31650942
>e computer said we have around 100 years before the situation becomes dire;
No it didn't you drooling knoblicker.

That was the OLD pre-battle estimate. we got 2 weeks.

>>31650807

His thinking is that Chaos is playing as long a game as he is. And it's true. Because Chaos can and will just keep coming back to try and destroy him over and over and over. The board is never really swept clean, Erebus never really wins, the game never ends.

>>31650942
But it's impossible to point out to Erebus that his reasoning is flawed, because SM will just write Shadow as being overly emotional and not able to get the point across, while writing Erebus as calmly stating his arguments, even though they are totally irrational.

Arguing with the QM when he gets to write out what the characters say is impossible. We're pretty much just along for the ride now.

>>31650627
>>try to convince Erebus with some other argument
<Traditions.>

Let him respond.

<Are you really going to wallow in your meaningless traditions?>
<You run away and go to war. You felt you had to. You win, but you don't feel like you belong. So you go back out. You watch Chaos, standing Vigil.>

<You don't want to solve this problem. You just want to continue your traditions. You don't even know what you would do with yourself if you no longer had to stand ready to beat Chaos back into its corner every time it rears its head.>

>>31650627
<What is a program? A set of commands which must be followed without any deviation?

And what does that make you, following the commands of a race long since vanished? Who programmed you, Erebus!? Humanity, when they trained you, and gave you Vigil, and sent you to war? Or perhaps Chaos programmed you, as you fought it? It instructed you, gave you a purpose, an enemy. Maybe they both played their part, and you became this! A tool, a program, to contain Chaos, with no distractions, no desires, no wants or needs, no humanity!

What the hell kind of existence is that!? It's pointless stagnation, you could hardly call it life! Venia, on the other hand, Venia has life. Those people down there, those chaos parasites, they think, and they feel, and they are utterly human in every sense of the word save their composition. Tell me, Erebus Andersen, do they really deserve to die?>

>>31650627
I could make the same arguement that order is puppeteering you like you say chaos is influencing me. Life began with neither chaos or order, it had continued and progressed free from the effects of these strange forces. How do you know for certain that these two "energies" weren't advancing a mutual goal from the beginning? How odd that order would appear before you when chaos in your time was strong, overpowering, dominant, winning.

Did you once ask why or where these things came from, what purpose they served? Look around us, the whole of our universe is gone except for the small specks of life in front of us.

If I have been deceived, so have you.

>>31651064
>>31651026
These are fair points.

But at this point, I'm just waiting for the call to battle.

>>31650948
Well yeah. That's why this whole thing is pointless. We're arguing against the QM, who has the power to determine what both sides of the argument say, how they say it, etc.

Anything that we try to post as an argument could be "countered" before it gets said in setting, because no matter what we do, it's SM who determines who says what first. You make a suggestion? The next update could start with it being immediately "refuted" and dropped. Even if it isn't actually refuted and the refutation is actually totally irrational, if the QM treats it as totally defeating the argument, that's what will happen.

>>31651064
The difference being, Order is not a threat.

Order is not overwriting the laws of spacetime and relentlessly expanding.

What kind of crazy long game could it possibly be playing if Order and Chaos are in cahoots?

Why aren't we spending our exp?

<You're wrong,> you say.

<How so?>

<Chaos would have gotten out if it wasn't for the alliance I built,> you say. <Your claimed manipulation hindered its own attempt to escape.>

<Vigil,> Erebus says. <What are your instructions per failure of the Shard Program?>

>Activate the Automatic Resolution Program, clearing away the chaotic growth and attempting slower mechanical repair over time.

<You see?> he says. <Even if I died, I'd still win. Just not in the way I wanted.>

<Not in the way you wanted? Do you think this is a game?!>

<Oh, no,> he says. <It's anything but a game.>

<Vigil!> you shout. <Is it possible to destroy the entity of chaos? Is it possible to save Venia?!>

>Analyzing...
>It is unknown if the Chaos entity can be destroyed in the physical sense. However, evidence indicates that its connection with our world can be cut. However, this same connection allows the flow of chaotic energies that sustains Venia, Avankt, and Veldinsk. Current capabilities may not be sufficient to accomplish the task.

<What if I had the power of the other Elemental Lords?!>

>Analyzing...
>Evidence suggests that it may be possible. However, they may destroy themselves in the process of using the requisite power, thereby requiring their permission regardless of that fact or requiring the application of complying forces

<I'm sure they'll all be pleased to sacrifice themselves for the cause,> Erebus says.

<...your argument has no end,> you say. <How do you know you're not being manipulated by chaos? You could just take that in circles forever! Everything must be chaos!>

<For 50,000 years, Shadow, it all was Chaos. And if not for Chaos, we wouldn't be having this conversation.>

<No. If not for you. You let Chaos get to this point. You're delusional.>

>con't

>>31651026
<You're not doing this because you need to. You're doing this as some twisted form of atonement for letting El'lora follow traditions to her death.>

>>31651103

Don't want to spin that many plates.

>>31650627
I find it entertaining that you pretend to desire peace. I've seen your memories. I know that you would rather fight Chaos for the rest of eternity than to stand on the broken body of your former enemy. Let me remind you of the thrill of battle!
>attack Erebus immediately (specify)
Punch him in the dick.

>>31651099
Order and Chaos have already been pointed out to be two sides of the same coin, though.

>>31651064
Order was created as a weapon by humans though, as a mirror to the energy that the extradimensional invaders wielded.

Neither has will save for the mind directing it, or so we've been lead to believe.

>>31651103
Because there isn't really anything we could buy that would help right now.

<...maybe I am,> he says. <If there is something I had in my hundreds of thousands of years, Shadow, and in the dozens I spent watching Venia before I first acted, it was time. I have had time to think. I had time to consider all the possibilities. I had time to comb through every theory and thought you believe is so perfect, so well reasoned. I have walked upon all the ground that for you is only freshly tread. I have found it wanting.

<Or maybe,> he says, <you're right, and I am insane, and bored, and have no purpose, and have lost all my humanity, and have nothing left to live for because everything I have ever known is gone, and even when it was here, I felt that I had nothing.> He looks at you. <I have thought that too, many times. Many times.>

<Then for the sake of the elements,> you say. <Give me a chance. Let me show you. It's not too late.>

<No.>

<Why not?!>

<Because like the gods of old I was named for,> he says, <that is my will. And that is all the reason I need. Well. It's been interesting, Shadow.>

Erebus starts forward.

What do you do?

>try some other argument
>admit that he's right, try to compromise
>attack (specify)
>some other strategy

>>31651131
>Order was created as a weapon by humans
>created
No, it was discovered by humans and then they weaponized it. Humans did not create Order.

>>31651130
And Order has done nothing but hinder Chaos's clear goal of consuming the universe.

What possible OTHER secret goal could there be in allowing itself to be imprisoned by its co-conspirator cosmic force?

>>31650627
>>31650680
<Vigil, what would happen if the lower and upper grids were incorporated into a single unit?>

If that's even possible.

>>31651156
>admit that he's right, try to compromise

>>31651156
>attack
He's never gonna listen, just erasure the motherfucker already

>>31651129
A Hammer enhanced dick punch.

>>31651156
>>attack (specify)
Infinite Hammer Works.

>>31651156
>admit that he's right, try to compromise
No other way.

>>31651178
>Chaotic Matter
Erasure would do less than nothing.

>>31651156
Shapeshift into El'lora, try and find the humanity that Erebus has lost/denied.

>>31651156

>attack (slap him in the face with the humanity shard)

>>31651170
><Vigil, what would happen if the lower and upper grids were incorporated into a single unit?>

I've seen this idea tossed around a few places, I'm just going to say it isn't possible.

I mean...I've got two other dimensions running 'above' and 'below' the 3-D universe. I don't even begin to see how you'd have the means of physically combining that much sheer...stuff.

And for what purpose? I feel like it would just make a big nonsensical mess.

>>31651156
<What do you have to lose? Give us a week. One week to seal the barrier while preserving Venia.>

>>31651170
><Vigil, what would happen if the lower and upper grids were incorporated into a single unit?>
>admit that he's right, try to compromise

>>31651156
Time for Hammer and Erasure.

>>31651156
>admit that he's right, try to compromise
I agree with him.

>>31651214
For all he knows, our actions will widen the crack beyond recovery.

>>31651099
The beings that once inhabited this universe left, driven off by the encroachment of these new unknown powers. The universe as it is now is a sandbox for whomever has the power, drive, and vision to change it or utilize it. Now, whether the changes are good or bad depend solely upon the person in charge.

One person is very, very easy to control.

>>31651156
>attack (specify)

It seems talking is pointless, then.

>>31651156
>attack with hammer to the dick
People, he's just a ghost of a computer program; we're all of his power, we can just kick the shit out of him

>>31651156
>attack (specify)
So at the end of the day his argument is basically "no u"

>>31651156
>attack (specify)

Mind Crush.

...wait a minute. How does a being of Order have Chaos spells on his ability chart?

>>31651121
Can we use Humanity offensively?

>>31651156
>admit that he's right, try to compromise
This or try other argument, I can't see us even standing a chance against him in a fight.

>>31651211
Than what would happen if we applied Order directly to the Chaos entity?

>>31650924
Supporting because.. Well why not?

>>31651201
>Erasure
Actually...

Erasure is an ability we gained from Humanity, isn't it?

And SM explained why a Chaos ability has the ability to destroy chaotic matter is...

...it destroys the Order-space containing it, causing a spatial collapse.

So it might be the BEST weapon?

That said.....

>admit that he's right, try to compromise
Come on bro, I'm sentient regardless of where I got it this ain't fair.

>>31651156
I will freely admit that letting ourselves be 'cleansed' and continuing play as Erebus sounds pretty fucking cool.
But it appears everyone else is going for the dick punch.

>>31651156
>>attack (specify)
ERASURE
Enough with the words already people. Time for battle plans.

>>31651267
We do because of the Elf Queen. Presumably Erebus doesn't.

>>31651156
>try some other argument

And what about your own corruption? Hecate's guardian required use of at least three different types of Chaotic energy.

>>31651156
>attack
Darkness Within, Admantize
Strengthen with Shards.
<Let's see which of us possess the power to make our will into reality>

>>31651156
>Admit that he's right, try to compromise

>>31651156
Is it possible you are being manipulated by Order like you claim I am being manipulated by Chaos? Why would Order be any different than Chaos, if only from the area it currently is located in?

>>31651156
>attack (specify)
Erasure his ass.

>>31651156
>admit that he's right, try to compromise

>>31651156
No attacking. Not yet.

<We can work together, brother.>

<You don't have to watch alone.>

What the fuck do people expect from admitting he's right. What kind of compromise are you going to even achieve?

He isn't the compromising type.

>>31651156
>admit that he's right, try to compromise

I'm sure that we can still talk out of this.

>>31651156
>>admit that he's right, try to compromise

I'm surprised there's anyone willing to compromise at all, I haven't really planned for that. Could be cool.

Vote 1:
>attack with all possible force (Hammer)

Vote 2:
>attempt to compromise

>>31651156
<Before we fight, how does it feel to have the memory of sleeping with your own sister?>

>>31651372
2

>>31651372
1

>>31651156
>attack (specify)
Erasure him.

He literally just went, "I'm a god, so I'm right." He isn't going to talk this out with us.

>>31651347
This, don't attack yet.

>>31651372
1

>>31651372
1

>>31651372
1

>>31651372
2

>>31651372
1

>>31651372
2

>>31651358
Full agreement, we need to show Erebus that we are just as capable as him. Bending to his will isn't going to get him to admit anything.

Think, people, think!

>>31651378

heh

I feel like I gave everyone the impression that Abigail is a clone of El'lora, but it's rather that they look pretty similar. Body type, eye color, hair color. They're not exactly the same.

>>31651192
>infinity hammer works
Where's that local man is fucking invincible picture?

>>31651372
2

>>31651156
><...maybe I am,> he says
First time he's ever admitted possible fault. We are making ground.
>try some other argument
Even if Chaos breaks free, what does that mean to you? The result of scouring Venia and my attempts failing will both be the same for Venia. It will mean its destruction.

But you would at least have a new fight on your hands if it got out. You have nothing to lose. If I succeed, then you're rid of the Chaos problem and all is good. If I fail, then you get yourself another splendid war to beat back Chaos and you're rid of me forever.

I wonder what would happen if we were to call on Hecate. Not to fight, just to have her here and see what happens.

>>31651372
1

>>31651372
2

>>31651372
1

>>31651372
>attack with all possible force (Hammer)
Nah, I didn't come here for no diplomacy ending.

>>31651372
1

>>31651156
>admit that he's right, try to compromise

Don't attack.

>>31651372
1

>>31651372
2

>>31651411
I don't know.
Apparently he's very in touch with his inner child.

>>31651372
1

>>31651372
1
Dick punch

>>31651372
2

>>31651358
Well using our abilities that depend on HAVING A BODY

sure have a big chance they aren't gonna work IN CYBERSPACE

knobchewers.

>>31651211
>And for what purpose?
While Chaos is rampant expansion, growth and change and Order is defining logical and comprehensible laws, when in our current dimension could possibly kickstart a new age of life in our Universe, and possibly avoiding the heat death humans fled.

A better idea might be hooking ourselves up to both grids in order to try to become a god and just create a new world.

>>31651421
Why didn't we try and use this argument before the vote...

>>31651372
1

>>31651372
2

>>31651421
This, so much this.

Fuck attacking him.

>>31651421
Present this as we fight SM.

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47 KB JPG

>>31651411
Gotcha covered

>>31651372
Can we say >>31651421

>>31651421
I like this.

>>31651372
2

>>31651372
2

>>31651421
This is perfect.

>>31651447
Hammer doesn't attack the body numbnuts, it warps fucking space. Here that would mean cyberspace.

Wait a second.
If chaos is counted as entropic chaos, doesn't that mean that pure order will eventually lead to the death of the universe?
Maybe we need a little both.
>>31651421
This

>>31651211
1

>>31651372

cutting off votes

>>31651211
Because Team Balance likes the idea of expanding Venia to make up the entire universe, and thinks just bashing Order and Chaos together until it works is the correct solution.

And... That wouldn't work, right?

>>31651421
Say this. Now I regret skipping past this post.

>>31651421
Oh, and he can't even answer that he doesn't want a war.

Because his whole thing is that HUMANS NEED CONFLICT.

>>31651372
1

>>31651372
1

>>31651530
>And... That wouldn't work, right?

Indeed, Erebus even said that it was already tried and didn't work.

>>31651372
1

>>31651372
1

>>31651447
>>31651514
>Pretending Shadow Science works at all like you would expect it to.
He's also walking towards us. He could just immediately teleport/kill us if he has some sort of admin level control of the space.

There was a way, there had to be a way. Something we didn't find in days of discussion.

What is it?
What breaks the man who has spent millennia fighting his own war?
Where's the crack?

Damn, that was a close vote.

I'll use this
>>31651421

in the update

>>31651539
This >>31651421 is a compromise he will except.

>>31651525
Please consider >>31651421

>>31651312
We actually awakened with Spirit Whip already available for purchase, and were capable of buying it before ever encountering the Elf Queen.

>>31651267
>>...wait a minute. How does a being of Order have Chaos spells on his ability chart?
The shards got shunted down into the leylines for recuperation; there was probably minor 'contamination' during that period.

>>31651421
>>31651457
This is probably worth saying, at the very least.

We also have a direct line back behind the barrier via Pocket.

If the size limits on Pocket are only caused by there being only so much space in the gap we've forged, I'd be interested in considering sacrificing that space in order to send Vigil itself back behind the barrier in order to let Erebus go in and have a chance to lock down the barrier directly, and then have the glorious man-fight against the Chaos Entity that he's always been looking for.

>>31651567
>Erasure came from Temerity, not Humanity.
>Erasure only destroys Chaotic matter.

>>31651607
But that's fucking wrong.

Arguing is thoroughly pointless, since any point we try to make just gets converted into a weak emotional outburst when SM writes it.

It doesn't matter if you think you've got some devastating point because it won't actually make it in to the dialogue.

Fighting is pretty much the only way to go.

I was wondering, for the longest time, just why touching mana pools of the four higher elements caused us to go full DAVE

I thought, what's actually so different about them besides politics and history and who was on what arbitrary side?

Are the four higher elements--that deal with less physical forms of energy-- more chaotic, concerning elements less bound to physical form of Order?

But no--it's because those four Elemental Lords are in the Nether core of Chaos.

So each mana pool in some ways is still attuned to their corresponding Elemental Lord, even though they've been sent to hell.

We need to take a page from Brane-Bulk membrane theory and slam the UUEG and LUEG together to create an entirely new universe.

>>31651578
He's just going to go "ur rong" isn't he.

>>31651585
The challenge in Hecate's crypt.

>"She said there would be some sort of challenge that only Erebus would be able to overcome," Adavan says. "It would be tailored specifically for you. Lethal to anyone else. A security measure."

>>31651639
That makes sense.

>>31651643
>and slam the UUEG and LUEG together

"hey guys, let's slam North and South together and see what happens! FOOLPROOF"

>>31651578
<No you>

>>31651664
Fucking this, Balancefags are fucking retarded.

>>31651644
Most likely, and then he's gonna smack us around for a while
"HUR DUR, LETS TRY AND NEGOTIATE WITH A GUY LITERALLY SAYING "YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE i SAID SO"

>>31651644
Seeing as that's all he need to do to "win," he probably will.

>>31651639

It's a nice theory, but it doesn't account for how the elements interact with each other the way they do.

>>31651644
He's going to say 'Maybe you're right, but I don't care.'

He's accepted the fact that he could be wrong and acts in spite of it. You cannot argue with somebody who has come to that conclusion.

>>31651651
This implies that Erebus could use Chaos energy before the Annihilation.

>>31651619
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/26220005/#p26225495
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/26220005/#p26225654
Those two posts are us assimilating Temerity and getting Erasure for it. And read the description on Erasure.

>>31651695
huh?

It wasn't really related to that at all, just mana pool usage. I have no idea what you're referring to.

>>31651576
>There was a way, there had to be a way
We get to load as many Venia peeps into the Nemesis as we can hold. Erebus destroys Venia. We get to repopulate after the barrier is patched and we somehow form a new landmass.
I'd rather just kill Erebus.

>>31651678
No more retarded than Team Stagnation and Team Fuck Everything.

>>31651721
>Have the Nemesis munch as much stuff as possible
>Turn it into a massive floating space-station thing
>Noah's Ark it up

>>31651721
No, exile to the islands.

Will Erebus destroy those too? His divine decree could end their genocide.

Anyone who thinks Erebus can be reasoned with is ignoring the fact that he said:
> <Because like the gods of old I was named for,> he says, <that is my will. And that is all the reason I need. Well. It's been interesting, Shadow.>

He isn't actually swayed by reasoning, he is completely and totally irrational. He does what he wants, ignores all arguments to the contrary, and is so thoroughly convinced that his own power makes his arguments correct that he won't listen to anything else.

>>31651706
SM has literally said that it's from Humanity and when we used it on 002 it also said it was Humanity.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/28862778/#p28862905

>You call upon something you've haven't had need to call upon in a long time. It's not even really because you've ignored it. More because you don't need to see it to remember it's there. Humanity is a part of you, now.

>exp: 12

>Chaos unleashed consumes you.

>>31651576
>What breaks the man who has spent millennia fighting his own war?

>Where's the crack?
The war breaks the man.

We were never trying to make him crack; we were hoping we could put him back together.

>>31651774
"El'lora a slut."

>>31651771
That's not saying that it comes from the Humanity shard at all, it's saying that the flames are similar to the ones on the Humanity shard when it assumes separate form.

>>31651711

Why from the start, elements are in conflict with each other. Water vs fire ext...

Someone made a post about how the elements are forms of energy that can be interacted with. With the greater elements being less tangible and more chaotic. The lessors being more susceptible to Order oriented manipulation. SM said that was pretty spot on. But I'm probably quoting it wrong.

>>31651792
He never really gave a damn about El'lora.

>>31651769
People like arguing against a fated battle. Dunno why.

>>31651678
The guys that want to slam the L/UUEG together are retarded.

There are possibilities for Balance that don't involve that.

>>31651706
Look at when we used it, handle-eater:

>>28814298
it was a Humanity ability.

>>31651769
<Dismissing an argument simply because you consider yourself a god. You act surprisingly like the Elemental Lords, Erebus.>

>>31651813
Not entirely.

You may be right in that, at the end of the day, he didn't really care, but I think he disliked the fact that he didn't really care.

>>31651769
Totally. The dude LET Venia get to the point it was and decided to step in for shits and giggles instead of scrubbing the thing. He's not doing this with a rational goal in mind, he's doing it because he's BORED, and if he managed to convince himself that isn't the case he's had hundreds of years to rationalize this shit and come up with counter arguments. We are not going to come up with an argument to convince this guy

>>31651831
see >>31651802

>>31651744
>>31651754
Keep these in mind. Honestly, there's a good chance we'll have to do this anyway.

>>31651826
We could try corrupting the Chaos entity with Order.

>>31651844
From the sounds of it, he didn't really care about the fact that he didn't care. He believes that the only thing that matters is power and what the person with power wants. That's it. Not just "might makes right" in a moral sense, but also "might makes right" in a sense of right as being factually correct.

>>31651802
THEN WHY THE FUCK IS HUMANITY SO PROMINENTLY MENTIONED.

Why is it a Humanity image posted with the post?

>something you've haven't had need to call upon in a long time.
this can refer to nothing but Humanity shard itself. what the hell else could it mean in this context? Temerity gets used all the time (Shadow Magic).

>>31651859
Honestly, I'm cool with a Battlestar Galactica like ending, with us being chased by the remnants of Chaos and we're all on the Nemesis looking for a way home

>>31651895
Because Erasure reminds Shadow of the flames on the Humanity shard.

If Erasure is from Humanity, then why did it unlock with Temerity? Why didn't it unlock with Humanity, which we got earlier?

>>31651890
Well technically speaking if you have the power of Order that is technically correct, your might literally makes right as far as the universe is concerned.
And he applies that concept to everything else, what a bumpkin...

>>31651895
Just leave it. Dude's gone full Erebus with his opinions.

>>31651932
Requesting an image macro for Going Full Erebus.

>>31651858
>>31651928
Because bullshit, rolling a natural 20, Temerity was still not cooperating and this hindered our ability development?

You are fixated on one data point and using it to override all others you brainfucked leechmouthed hingesucker.

How about YOU see
>>26502005
>Humanity is basically the Erasure power incarnate.
Dumbass.

>>31651804
Regarding the Lower Elements, Geb and Leviathan are captive audiences, and could fuel our "expand the world" plan.

Hecate would be trickier, maybe expand the dream world into some kind of Lifestream type.afterlife, and direct the chaos energy that is the flow of souls?

You keep staring at him as he approaches. <You know what? What does it matter? If I succeed, Chaos is contained. If I fail, Venia dies anyway, and you have another war in which to beat Chaos back, and you're rid of me forever. Either way, you get what you want.>

<I am not so hypocritical as to intentionally let it out just so I can fight another universal war, Shadow.>

<But you are hypocritical enough to ignore what's right in front of you. You're hypocritical enough to ignore the possibilities, to not save lives that you could save, to protect something that actually matters.>

He stops just in front of you, a dark mirror of your appearance. <Even if I did let you loose, and give you Vigil's permissions, there's no guarantee you'll return. I will not be trapped here in unreality forever.>

<I won't do that.>

<...for a moment there,> Erebus says, <I almost believed you.>

You swing your Hammer.

Erebus raises his hand.

You freeze. You can't move. Hammer thrums in your grip, but its power is locked tight.

<Do you see, now, the futility of your position?>

Erebus clenches his fists. A wave of darkness explodes out from whim. It feels like a hurricane is whipping at you. You feel your shards, torn from your body. They're flung deep into the endless white.

>you do not have access to your shards

<You are nothing.> Erebus shoves his hand into your stomach. It doesn't hurt. But his darkness spreads over your skin, seeping through you. <The development of your apparent sentience was entirely unplanned. I will study your experiences carefully.>

>con't

>>31651978
>insults
Come on now.

>>31651978
There are three datapoints; the obtaining Humanity not resulting unlocking Erasure, the obtaining of Temerity unlocking Erasure, and the time we use it and Shadow says that the power reminds him of the flames on the Humanity shard.

You are ignoring 2/3 of the datapoints and hailing a single third as "all others".

And SM did not say that Erasure comes from the Humanity shard, he said that the Humanity shard resembles Erasure. There is a massive difference between them.

You try to move, try to grab Erebus's arm. You push against the darkness driving into you. But it's not working. You're immobile in almost every sense. Powerless. <...Erebus...stop...this...>

<I will return to my Vigil,> he says, <and I will scour the parasites and their home that you're so infatuated with off the surface of the barrier.>

<...Abi...gail...>

<No one is coming to save you,> Erebus says. <In the end, you are alone. Just like me.>

<NO HE ISN'T!>

White light flares in your chest. Power explodes outward. You're covered in white fire. Erebus's arm is burned back to his elbow. He inhales sharply and jumps backward as the white flames lick at him.

Behind your back, Humanity hovers, a glowing crystal of Order wreathed in Chaotic fire.

The fires die until they're just around Humanity. <I can't do that constantly,> it says, <but I should be able to stop him from messing around with you directly.>

<...ah.> Erebus stands back up. His arm begins to regrow. <Chaos is not so easily thwarted. I wouldn't want it any other way!>

<I can still feel our shards,> Humanity says. <They're out there. But this place isn't stable. He's trying to change it!>

<What do you mean?>

<This unreality...it's mutable. I'll try to stop him!>

<Alright!>

Erebus rushes you.

What do you do?

>Darkness Within
>Erasure
>Cone of Destruction
>Evade while Humanity works
>some other strategy

>>31652027
>Using Hammer on the guy who made hammer
Yeah that went about as well as expected.

>>31652027
Looks like SM just went Full Erebus.

>>31652027
Motherfuckers, I told you that Hammer was once Erebus'.

>>31652047
>Erasure

Keep him the HELL away from us.

>>31652047
><NO HE ISN'T!>
Just like my chinese cartoon.

>>31652047
>Erasure
It's a Humanity power and the strongest thing we've got.

>>31652047
>Erasure

DOES SHADOW HAVE TO HOOVER A BITCH?

>>31652047
>Evade while Humanity works

Gotta get the shards. FUCKING RUN!

>>31652047
>some other strategy
Buy the physical shadow tree up to and including OL.
We'll need it.

>>31652047
<So you're not doing this because you have to. You're just doing this because you have to.>

<Fine. I'll do what needs to be done.>

>some other strategy
Buy out the Physical Shadow tree up to Pure Darkness so that we can use shadow attacks at range despite the lack of shadows here.

>>31652047
>Evade while Humanity works

>>31652069

Big Damn Heroes moments are a staple of action fantasy, anon. Chinese cartoons have only copied what was already successful.

>>31652048
He didn't make Hammer. He made Blade.

>>31652047
>Evade while Humanity works
We need to let Humanity work to stop his warping, otherwise we'll just auto-lose

>>31652047
>some other strategy
Slap his shit

>>31652047
dodge like the little bitch we are. fighting a programmer in his word can't end well

>>31652095
><So you're not doing this because you have to. You're just doing this because you want to.>

Is this more in line with what you wanted to say?

>>31652027
Oh goddamnit we're not Simon, we're fucking Nia

Where the hell is our wedding ring.

>>31652095
Supporting buying Physical Shadow + Pure Darkness.

>>31652095
>>31652092
Fucking this.

File: why-boner.webm (2.5 MB, 640x360)

2.5 MB WEBM

>>31650380
>About to go to bed
>Decide to check /tg/
>Shadow Quest running tonight

It's not like I need sleep, anyway.

>>31652047
>Evade while Humanity works

>>31652047
>>Darkness Within
I want MILLONCE OF YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. <Darxis where are you? The best meal we have come upon yet is right in front of us.>

>>31652092
This.

Ok, before we get into this we should probably spend our EXP.

So what's it gonna be?

>>31652036
You're counting 'the timing of when it was unlocked' twice, that's pretty weak.

And you're not counting the actual words of the QM which I mentioned much earlier, but now I can quote verbatim:

>>30364855
>I guess you could say the fluff is slightly misleading. I consider space orderly; the flames don't actually devour chaos itself, but rather, the order of the surrounding space, creating a magical black hole that sucks in chaos.

>SHADOW QUEST PHYSICS OOOGABOOGABOOGA

>It's an Order ability that uses Chaos. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

It destroys Order. Chaotic matter destruction is a happy subsequent effect.

>>31652119
No, I'm using his last words to El'lora that he said before joining the military.

>>31652092
THIS time for EXP debates.

>>31652092
>>31652126
Seconding.

>>31652145
Physical Shadow, Pure Darkness, OI.

>>31652101
You keep telling yourself that SM.

>>31652145
>Shadow Magic Tree

>>31652092
thirding

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>>31652034
Door related insults are an ancient Shadow Quest tradition, anon.

>>31652145
start with the little things that finish trees. like the resistance in the dark grey tree.

>>31652047
>Evade while Humanity works

>>31652145
Spirit Tree GET.

Physical Shadow Tree GET.

Pure Darkness GET.

>or

Shadow Magic Tree. I really want it...

>>31652047
>>Evade while Humanity works

>>31652145
FAE
EARTH'S GIFT

summoning a demon will piss him off SO MUCH.

and earth's gift will reveal more of a chaos magic tree that we desperately need to reveal, in case something Extremely Useful is hidden there.

could we complete the Shadow Magic tree.

>>31652027
>Evade while Humanity works

I hate to be that guy who compares everything to one of his chinese cartoons, but this scene was very reminiscent of that one bit from TTGL. It's a compliment, more than anything.

>>31652145
the middle light greay tree and the spirit tree finished please

>>31652047
>Evade while Humanity works

>>31652206
We don't want to piss him off, we want to evade and let Humanity Hijack his virtual reality.

And if it's distractions, our Army of Darkness/Suicide Squad is better.

>>31652145
Shadow Magic!

>>31651639
My favorite part is that we've more or less confirmed in recent days that combat on the surface (thus leading to more chaos energy drawn from the Core) is one of the things that helps destabilize the barrier.

Until Erebus came down to stir up shit, the Elemental Lords were mostly content with hating each other quietly with minor outbreaks of actual violence, and never really broke out into full-on conflict.

Then Erebus decided they must all be somehow colluding on a higher level to break the core open and tried to encourage a giant all-out war for 65 fuckin' years.

"Recent activity" was partially responsible for destabilizing the barrier from 97-99 years to maybe TWO WEEKS.

He instigated 65 years of that.

And what was the result? He sticks four of the lords back behind the barrier, where they're exposed directly to the governing will of Chaos, thus guaranteeing it direct access to those elementals instead of just assuming they were already contaminated.

So now there's four more huge Chaos energy entities given over entirely to the will of the Chaos Entity, all of which are now able to fight to crack the barrier open from the inside.

All because he doesn't care enough to try and figure out whether chaos energy is a byproduct of the Chaos Entity (which means EREBUS WAS RIGHT) or if they're just co-existent and the latter is just using the former as a tool.

Fuckin' guy.

>>31652118
>fighting a programmer in his word can't end well
If you want to stick with this analogy, until the programmer is given enough time to write it, the program that's already written is more powerful than a hypothetical future program.

Purchase choices thus far:

>Physical Shadow: 59 EXP
>Pure Darkness: 20 EXP
>Spirit Tree: 30 EXP
>Shadow Magic: 65 EXP + Whatever's after Reinforce
>Earth's Gift + Fae: 7 EXP

>>31652256
You mean Conceal, Reinforce, and the dark thing?

<BLADE
WRATH
FLEET
SHAPER
HUNGER
ISOLATION
SILENCE
TEMERITY
YOUR SOUL BETRAYS YOUR WORDS, EREBUS. THE SHARDS ARE YOU, YOUR EXPERIENCES. BUT THEY HAVE CHANGED. CHANGED FOR THE BETTER. A BLADE CAN CUT, BUT A HAMMER CAN BUILD. THE POWER TO MAKE, RATHER THAN SHAPE WHAT WAS ONCE THERE. FINDING PEACE IN ISOLATION. I WAS ONCE ARROGANCE, BUT I HAVE CHANGED. CALL IT CORRUPTION IF YOU WISH. I AM JUDGEMENT. AND MY VERDICT IS CLEAR. YOU WILL NOT DESTROY VENIA.>

I can't believe nobody has said this yet, but...

>Shadow is an AI
>Created by a long dead(ascended) race

STEWARD WE ARE PRACTICALLY BROTHERS!

>>31652273
We can bring this up while we're fighting him.

>>31652145
Physical Shadow + Pure Darkness

>>31652156
This

Vote 1:
>finish the Spirit tree

Vote 2:
>buy what's necessary to get Pure Darkness, and then buy that (middle light gray)

Vote 3:
>Shadow Magic Tree (this includes Heartstone Titan and what's after reinforce)

>>31652273
Seconding bringing this up.

Wear down his will with more arguments while we fight. He even said we were close on the last one.

>>31652145
Buy towards OI

>>31652336
2

>>31652336
2

>>31652336
2

>>31652280
Hmm yes. Shadow Tree, Earth Tree, Summoning Tree.

maybe not the whole Earth Tree but a layer or two.

>>31652336
2

>>31652336
2

>>31652336
3

>>31652336
3

>>31652336
2

>>31652336
2