Mol has proven perceptive.Speaking with the man hidden in shadows now himself, Mol has just agreed to assist you with a smuggling operation you had in mind against the UGEI. And yet, upon agreeing, he revealed that he knows you have a 'computer' working to do much of your shipping so far. What this means, you're not sure, as you have yet to address his accusation. Perhaps it is better not to address it at all? After all, he has not presented proof that he knows what, exactly, your shipping 'computer' is. Regardless, the man assures you as long as you provide the product, he will provide the trade lanes.You are Ophion, an Artificial Intelligence who, recently, has begun expanding into the Rane Expanse, hoping to acquire the new source of gas to boost your income. Your efforts were rewarded, as the income has spiked to nearly double. Kronos, in the mean time has ventured to Grinsash of Klintok System in hopes of securing the place for future colonization. You have several smaller projects all at play, and their fruits shall hopefully come soon...>Important News>New A.I.?>Metis' New V.I.>Wiretap at Gaia IV>Kronos' expedition>Mol's deal>Misc
>>31564006>New A.I.: Cephalus?This one will be a bit Meta, so I'll ask it here to be sure. There is a very clear portion who want more A.I. and a very clear portion that want no more. I held a vote last thread, but it's come to my attention that it might need clarification. I'll vote on this one later in the thread, and for now, this scene is on hold. Vote pending soon>Metis' New V.I.In the back of your mind, as you discuss matters with Mol, you sense a new drain on your bandwidth, though one you expected. Metis echos dully in your mind a quick explanation, and within mere moments you understand. The name Hephaestus comes to you, as the fledgling mind is born, and sent about handling the needs of the humans on Ussaihu's station to allow Metis to focus on her work. Moira shall assist the V.I. in learning it's new duty, but it should serve nicely as an assistant to those working with Moira.>Wiretap at Gaia IVRed's report regarding the wiretap you laid on Gaia IV appears successful. Tuning in with another part of your mind, you decipher several bits of information that are worth noting.>UGEI Fleet contesting Star 445901 & 295671 of Malorian space. Massive losses on Malorian side. UGEI are suspected to win soon.>Gaia has been 'reclaimed' and has been in the process of rebuilding this entire time despite massive losses. Population is being fed heavy anti-xeno propaganda and is very hostile to Malorians.
>>31564020>Kronos' trip to Grinsash of Klintok System"Ophion." His echo rings through true to you, true enough to lapse your attention from other such subjects. His ships are warping back home-what remain of them. "Grinsash is contested heavily by Lightling swarms. Gravitational distortions originate from within the gas clouds over the super giant also make combat difficult. I have orchestrated a tactical retreat, and recommend any further conflict be better prepared then I." He warns, clearly unhappy with his own need to retreat. "What happened, Kronos? Speak." You demand swiftly, to which he complies."The swarms there number in the hundreds. And I have detected a creature of such size it rivals the Athena even." He explains in a grim tone. "The gravitational distortions were unlike that of the black hole you recently encountered. They more closely resemble the spike of energy when a ship enters warp space...yet far higher a spike that does not fade." He pauses briefly after his debrief is over, and follows with. "I...apologize for my failure, Ophion." He says, leaning heavily on the word 'failure'.What shall you say?>Kronos Fleet: -7 Battlecruisers>Mol's dealAnd finally, as you turn your attention back to the man before you, you recall what he just said. He agreed to do your smuggling operation, and made an implication that he knows of Apollo's existence as a computerized being. Perhaps it is better not to address it at all...or perhaps you should try to say something regarding it.What shall you do?
>>31564044>Misc>New Androids built: Unit 9 & 10Name: Unit 9 'Polemarchus'Chassis type: ArachnoidSize: LargeStatus: StandbyWeapons: Infantry grade Mass DriversDefenses: Heavy armor plating, CWIS(point defense), Superior ShieldingPrimary duty: Global C&C of ground forces.Intellect Level: A.I. 5 'CephalusEquipment: Advanced C&C & Comm Array Package, Close Range Sensors, Troop Resupply: Able to keep other units runningName: Unit 10 'Auxiliary'Chassis type: HumanoidSize: MediumStatus: StandbyWeapons: Standard Mass Driver held in arms (and minor one built in)Defenses: Standard armor platingPrimary duty: Ground Combat, Boarding, SecurityIntellect Level: Minimal/semi-autonomous(when provided with bandwidth/V.I. guidanceEquipment: Extended battery pack(Allows for extended field deployment), built-in basic surveillance tools.>Built: Kalla Bases & Defenses, 85x Pilum Destroyers>UFW Funding BudgetCurrently, you are spending 50% of your budget to bolster the UFW civic centers. It was suggested this should be changed. Should it?>R & D--Primary: Advanced Ship Modification: 85%--Secondary: Lightling DNA: 90%--Tertiary: Power Armor: 75%A.I. Quest1d4chan: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/cvk03qJhMemory Archives: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0Twitter: @AIQuest1Research Subjects: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#ResearchShip & Android Designs: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#DesignsLocations: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#Locations ResourcesCredits(c): 4,172,000Minerals(M): 1,300Gas(G): 750 You:A.I.Name: OphionAppearances(holo-display): Shapeless morphing sphere.Humanoid figure hidden in shadowStatus: AwakenBandwidth: 139/159Bandwidth Expenses: -6 V.I. 7 'O.S.N', -6 V.I. 8 'Hades', -6 Kronos' V.I. 1 'Zeus', -2 Metis' V.I. 1 'Hepaestus'Location: Bridge of 'Athena' BattleshipPrimary Function: Self Preservation, Expand, Learn, Control
>>31564006Small note: Sorry about the absence! Hopefully we can get caught up with a lot of things this thread. Bare with me while I get back into the swing of things, thank you!
>>31564044Don't address it.Just let it slide.Though I'd like to know exactly what he thinks he knows and how he knows it, we can already guess enough.What kind of amazing deal we got from that nat100?Almost no wholesale discount for Mol? Near- street value?
>>31564044Welcome back Program0!WeMissedYou!and i really mean it! >>31564020I think we should have a revote on Cephalus.>>31564044Kronos, we have some new tech being worked on concerning the Lightings. let us finish that before attempting to engage them again.as to Mol, if he already knows about Apollo, why lie about it? push the issue with him.
>>31564044I suggest we request Krono's give us a memory feed of events if possible.Other than that, console him on the loss but buck him up as>>31564193states, with the prospect of new tech.
>>31564044>Kronos"It is only a failure if you refuse to learn from it. You have not failed this day, Kronos.">MolDon't bring it up unless he presses.
>>31564044Shit. I could tell from the description we sent Kronos into a Lightling nesting ground.Wait... what about our Primary/Secondary/Tertiary research stuff from Metis.she should have Lightling DNA done next cycle?and that can include ability to communicate."You have provided us with one key gain, Kronos: Information. Though it came at a dear cost, you have my thanks."
>>31564127>>31564193anon as a point about Mol and i recomend a change to my suggestion. if he pushes it, admit it, but if he does not push it, let it slide.
>>31564193>why lie about it?exac---> push the issue with him.NO YOU FUCKING RETARD.we don't mention it at all.giving him MORE information when he might just be making an educated guess along the lines of "how did you know that?" "YOU JUST TOLD ME!" has no possible benefit for us!
>>31564006Program0-sempai, when did you start making a starmap and what did you use to make it?http://1d4chan.org/images/2/20/AIQuestmap.pngI read the archives but I didn't notice any map making software suggestions. I probably missed them.
>>31564223I like that way of placating Kronos. We're essentially his dad, so we have to act like it.I want to not talk about AI to Mol, if possible.
>>31564020Something I forgot to ask about Gaia IV in the Thursday thread.It said, initially, it had "High population density".Other UGEI worlds have listed how many biillions they contain specifically though.How many billions were 'high', before the Ishtooy firenuking?
>>31564127Considering Mol was angry with you, he is going to offer you quite a deal (which will likely be some large cut of the profits, while keeping one portion for himself as well).>>31564221>Memory Feed incoming...You jump in above the system in question. Just as the reports state, your sensors pick up the massive clogging gas clouds, as well as the distortion in the distance. Whatever happened above this planet when the cosmos were building themselves, it was intense. But now is not the time to consider that. You move in to secure the region.>Alert: Multiple hostile biological signals detected.Damn. They must have been hiding in the gas clouds. You only know of one creature that is spaceborn and biological in this sector...>Lightling attack incoming. Small clusters reappearing from all trajectoriesIt matters little, you think. The beasts are powerful in large numbers, but your fleet is nothing small either. You open all cannons to engage>Alert, enormous power signatures detectedThis is not good. You watch as a titan of a creature emerges from the clouds of gas, breaking it as if it were waves upon the bow of a ship. How something that large comes to exist in space, you will never know. It is moving in to attack...>Creator, retreat. I will protect.The familiar voice of your V.I., Zeus, comes in. No. You will not lose him so quickly.>Negative. We both retreat. Now. Come.>We will suffer losses this way, Creator.>I am aware. Come.You struggle to open warp lanes in time to flee, as a portion of your fleet is massacred. Luckily, you saved your V.I. Ophion will not be happy about this matter, however.>End Memory log.
>>31564089>>31564109There is something I have thought up from the last thread I wish to offer up to the 'To Do' list in the R&D tech list. 'Advanced Gravitronic Sensors array': This would allow us to detect danrgously powerful gravity well and black holes in mid warp so we can avoid them when we drop out of warp. Also, they could detect incoming ships from the warp so we will a much further heads up as to what size of ship and numbers is coming. it won't tell who commands them or what make and model, just size.I have two more tech that brances off of this tech. but i want to hear what others think of it first.
>>31564248i made a correction of that.>>31564240
>>31564020>New A.I.: Cephalus?Revote and info about its purpose for those who missed the thread.>Metis' New V.I.Can we make a sibling V.I as well to help metis and moira?>Wiretap at Gaia IVSee if we can send some support to the molarians.>>31564044>Kronos' trip to Grinsash of Klintok SystemTell him that it won't be a failure if he learned from his mistake, and that he should observe the giant lightling.>Mol's dealDon't acknowledge it and see what he has to sell.>>31564089Hey did the stealth ship inside the main ship idea ever win out?I remember there being a good portion of support on having moving our box to a stealth ship and having the ship be integrated into our largest ship.(so that we can escape and as added protection.)
>>31564394seems pointless.we just need to find Sensors IV.by raiding a NON-abandoned UGEI research station.
>>31564020It's good to see you again, and good to be gaming again. I won't be using the trip for the rest of the game due to the stress it causes not being worth the gains, but I'll still be around among the anons.For Cephalus, would only try to make it an A.I. if we had tasks that we could give it in its off-time, such as developing and testing droids and bots to passively improve their effectiveness over time as hardware and software errors and inefficiencies are found and corrected.Starting to consider getting our carrier and most of our melissas to warp in there and deliver a single missile barrage on the UEF forces. Bonus points if they can be given a thin shell that camoflages them as Malorian.>>31564044The news are saddening, and we take it that the lightlings very aggressive. Nonetheless, we are very happy that you managed to return. To say that we have grown fond of your company and insight would be an understatement to say the least.I say we not comment on it at all and instead continue to talk business.>>31564089Do "Infantry Grade Mass Drivers" mean the kind that infantry would carry, or are they vehicle-sized ones (Such as miniguns CIWS), and how effective would they be against power armored (Heavy) infantry?Either way, would hope that we could equip it with at least one anti-tank cannon turret so that it's not helpless against anything heavier than light infantry.Half the budget to UFW sounds fair enough to me - we're not currently using it for anything.An idea, by the way. How small can we make FTL-capable ships now? Smaller than escort?Thinking mostly that a spread out screen of FTL-capable ships would be able to search systems far easier.On that same note, do we have FTL sensors, or can we only see (mobile objects) a few light-seconds out from where our ship is at first, then light-minutes, and after a very long while, light-hours?
>>31564420>Can we make a sibling V.I as well to help metis and moira?what? for what purpose? what does that even mean?Metis doesn't need a second assistant. if she did she'd make one.
>>31564377Inform Kronos of our safety measure we used before so that he doesn't make useless sacrifices like before.
>>31564225>Done next cycleMost likely, yes. As well as another research project.>Ability to communicateIt may open the door to do so, but you are uncertain. Studying their DNA opens up the path to learn more about the way they function.>>31564314Heh, I did not make it consciousness anon. A far more talented Anon then I did it. Mapfag, wherever he is, is quite handy with the hexgrid creator. I am not sure how he did it.>>31564362Before firenuke?Most likely withing the teens of Billions. 10+ in your best estimations. After all, it was an enormous class 3 sized world that was primarily used for farming. Popular colony world.
>>31564456Honestly i'm trying to find a way to speed up research maybe even open up a fourth bloc, and i like the idea of having a VI personally made to help human scientist.
>>31564020>Wiretap at Gaia IVAsk Red what was the fleet disposition at Gaia. Or what did the passive sensors read?Also, we need to aid the Malorians soon. We cannot allow the UGEI to be victorious. Or us this chance to take Gaia. Or at least raid it.>Kronos' trip to Grinsash of Klintok SystemConsidering the opposition forces in the system, the losses are... accetaple. Lightening research is nearing completion, we will take the system soon. We would have preferred that less ships would have been loss, and that the BCs are properly screened with lesser ships.>Mol's dealAs a simple question, how much does the UGEI know? That is what matters.
>>31564474That is what Hephaestus is though? Why two of him.I'd like to speed up research too, but I suspect game balance limits us.Maybe we could ask Metis to use some of our Bandwidth on a permanent basis to speed up her research?
>>31564458You mean, replay "you're killing my children" at them in Lightling radio language when they start attacking?"if you can't dazzle em with your firepower, baffle em with your bullshit"
>>31564516That could work, and this thought just hit me.Since VI are so simple wouldn't it be better to have VI focused on one subject instead of being broad.So maybe Metis new VI should focus on a tech tree.
>>31564538That as well, but we also saved some VI by uploading them to our memory banks.
>>31564394Such a specific thing may not be necessary. You simply require more sensitive sensors. Your current grade is designed to pick up minor traces of enemy ships from far away, as well as allow more easy communication spying.Apologies if this was unclear.>>31564420>Can we make a sibling V.I.You could, but Metis' V.I. can handle everything at the station, unless you desired to send one to teach it something specific.>Stealth ship inside main shipWhile it was suggested, you lack the tech to make it work currently.You WILL have it very soon, however (Most likely Advanced Ship mods, or one additional tech to allow such a thing depending on the size of the escape ship.It is worth noting that having redundant A.I. boxes allows for the same effect.>>31564451>Infantry sizedWould be the sized personnel would carry, power armor or no. Only especially large vehicles would require additional research for the increase in power.>Smallest ship FTLSmallest right now is Frigate. Research to do smaller would be rather difficult.
>>31564437I can see it being named that. but the gravitronic tech tree should be added. Gravity is one of the fundamental forces of the universe. I am thinking of making improved anti gravity units so that planetary landings and lift offs are much easier and less gas usage. that and weaponizing tractor beams. we could not only grab enemy ships, but tear them apart as well.
>>31564561I'd rather not. then we might exhaust a tech tree eventually and then what.V.I. unemployment and malaise! better to have a flexible, all-purpose drive in their life.we hire humans for their specializations instead.
>>31564605>It is worth noting that having redundant A.I. boxes allows for the same effect.Ah true, but the escape ship for my knowledge still allows us to be in the fight while the redundancy AI boxes just makes sure we survive.but with both we will be Like cockroaches.
>>31564516I'd actually like a few more research A.I.Not just to speed up our research even further, but to make a more humane one to cancel out Metis' hardly even being aware of the concept of ethics.The more A.I. we have, the less political power any one of them has, and I very, very much don't want Metis to have much say on our policies and especially not the final word when it comes to research.I also fear we have to watch them more or less constantly to make sure they're not doing horrific cyborg experiments since human pain and empathy does not even register in Metis' ways of thinking as something that concerns em by what we've seen so far.
>>31564605Can we hire more specialized humans?
Ok guys, I think we need to go on the attack this cycle, either taking or raiding Gaia or helping the Malorians.
>>31564684We are still rebuilding anon.
>>31564020>>New A.I.: Cephalus?Honestly? I feel retconning him will cheapen the quest. It's already been decided, let's not do a revote for every contested decision.
about 'beartrap security.'in addition to bear traps throughout the Rhea/Athena's maintenance shafts, how about- a whole lotta arachnid droids spread throughout- in fact, have them hiding beneath false bottoms, walls, and ceilings. trapdoor spiders!Learn from the Rhea infiltration, have a security team of a few sphere droids on pseudorandomized patrols through the corridors. in addition to the ambush spiders.
>>31564640But we want to exhaust the tech trees.
>>31564706the vote was done last quest after a lot of people left. it was late, late late at night, well after events in the quest itself had wrapped up.I think reproduction is sensitive enough matter it's worth reconsidering.
>>31564640As far as we know the limits to the tech tree is our imagination.
>>31564706I want a revote. The original vote was ages after the quest ended, and I really want our kids to be under control before we start making more.
>>31564716but we don't want there to be negative consequences to it when we do.just be like the cartoon professors. their expertise is Science.
>>31564514>Gaia fleetAt least a dozen or so BCs. A small compliment of the UGEI military, whom are focusing an effort to push into Malorian territory (and succeeding)>How much does the UGEI knowOf the deal? Or of Mol's operation? Either way, Mol assures you he is quite use to...quiet operations such as this.>>31564626>Improved Anti-grav unitsSuch as tractor beams, I assume?Such a device would have it's uses, no doubt.>>31564652>Escape ships allow you to remain in the fight.True. It is a matter of preference, I suppose.>>31564679Having the research that allows you to link A.I. together would allow A.I. to operate and research more efficiently, essentially causing many minds to function as one.>>31564681You may, if you feel it is worthy of your credits.>>31564740That it is Consciousness anon.That it is.
>>31564605From your earlier answers I will infer that we do in fact have FTL sensors already.Why is a giant station/walker carrying infantry-sized weapons, though?Why not vehicle-mounted anti-infantry weapons, such as heavy machine guns or lasers?Is there still an option to do changes to the Cephalus armaments? (I just dislike the idea of having it defenseless against anything meaner than light infantry, really, even if we expect it to be surrounded with escorting forces all the time).
>>31564684we lost a number of ships to accidents and lightings the last couple of threads. I would offer up that we build up our fleet a bit more. that and the Shark people civil war we are funding is something we need to hear how it's going.
>>31564704We have over 20 BCs and 100 destroyers. If you want to take the easier option, we can aid the Malorians. Or we can raid Gaia.>>31564640>>31564716>>31564740>>31564761Or design AIs and VIs with secondary objectives, like stuff to do afterwards,
>>31564770How about we just make a standard model, and then give it equipment slots that can be exchanged out for modules, generating a squad structure with specialist weapon users among the droids.
>>31564782Helping the molarians sounds like the safer bet, but we need to find a way to make plant ships.
>>31564767Only a dozen BCs? Shit, we can take them on and cut off the UGEI offensive. >>31564780It would be more costly in the long run to allow the UGEI to take Malorian territory. Also, we lose an opportunity to gain the trust of the Malorians.>>31564819Plant ships?
>>31564782Helping Malorians may help repair diplomatic relations.But Gaia IV is a good tactical victory -- note its 'bottleneck' position on the starmap. hold that, and we can defend the front via that single star system.And it might also help the Malorians by forcing the forces to retreat and fight us on this front.
>>31564770>>31564811How big is this thing actually going to be?
>>31564874Infantry size would suggest a 6ft tall bipedal walker.
>>31564770>FTL sensorsYes. Though that doesn't mean sneaking up on you is impossible, just far more difficult.Most of your androids operate as a manner of vehicle/infantry device. Thus, the difference between the two is minimal. Your normal droid can handle recoil as well as a normal tank might (such as the tank droid for instance).>Changes to armamentsYou are always welcome to do so, if there is enough cause to do it.Simple support is required.>>31564840>Just a dozenAround so, yes. Chances are reinforcements will arrive quickly (but that appears to be your objective as well.)>Writing up first decision
>>31564767That would cost research time, though, and not sure what it would do politically.The primary intent of more research A.I. would be to make each "vote" count for less, and having a research we can rely on to do good work without having to look over their shoulder all the time so that they're not harvesting brains for more efficient processors.Actually, check if Metis is harvesting brains for more efficient processors right now.And yay, more specialized humans!
>>31564849Thanks for agreeing.I'm thinking that UFW help will help greatly in attacking Gaia, either defending our space to free up more ships to attack, or joining in attacking.
>>31564840>Plant ships?I'm thinking of the old buzz lightyear cartoon show where they showed a hippie race that was so into plants that they made weapons and ships out of plants.
>>31564910>that UFW helpdoubtful they'll help us aggressively attack the UGEI, they just want to live in peace.as long as we're a nice buffer between them and UGEI, the UFW is effectively safe. they'll help defend us, but not help aggressions, i suspect.
>>31564894Wait we are putting an A.I. into a human sized walker?
>>31564971I hope they understand the tactical importance of Gaia.But that's why they have the option in deploying into our borders and free our fleets to commit to an attack.
>>31564928Genetic bio-ships are not that bad an idea to be fair, since a living ship can easily be changed and the materials it is made out of are easier to harvest. Not to mention applying natural evolution to ship design. But it would require some form of biological/cybernetic hybridization that count transcend what we are now into the realm of the unknown.
>>31565005It would probably be a combo of the serum/crystals/spores.So lets combine them.
>>31565005>a living ship can easily be changedI'd assume... the opposite, anon.it'd be easier to ride around in the belly of Monstro the Leviathan Lightling Cyborg
>>31565005Well, if we understand the lightlings, growth formula, fungus, and tiberium, I sure we can make bio ships.
>A.I. 5 'CephalusAs of last thread, I held a vote at perhaps too late a time on a matter many people are contested about. To ensure I have everyone's attention, I shall revote now, and see what the consensus is on this manner of A.I.>Cephalus: Designed with the intent of being the top ground commanding A.I., to constantly run simulations regarding ground combat, and to offer suggestions and help Ophion handle the ground portion of combat, which will one day become relevant. This A.I. was to be placed in an android of it's own to assist with command efficiency.If you would like to have such a thing exist, please, vote now, no green text, no spaces, no anything but the number you desire.Thank you in advance, Consciousness anon, for complying.>1 Yes, created this unit. It's usefulness will come into play later, and having it now gives it time to prepare>2 No, do not create it. Too many A.I. are dangerous, and it is possible that creating them will damage them as we damaged Fortuna. Besides, we have too many anyway.Vote now, closing in 5 minutes.
>>31565046Solar power, and alternative fuel makes it easily chargeable.
>>31565049>>31565028>Combine them all>That horrific mental imageGood gods.I love it.
>>315650571But have the required maturation phase as a VI first please. Under our supervision.
>>31565086You need just the number bud like1
>>31565120Just put the number, no additional text.
>>31565101Just so everyone is clear, we do this safely. Like just next to the event horizon so we can jettison the monster.>>31565125Thanks. Deleted incorrect vote.
oh right i remember now.cancel that stupid mineral celling trade agreement with the UFW set up ages and ages ago back when money was tight and no other source of income really. so outdated.and slash the UFW support fund! it's getting SUSPICIOUSLY exorbitant. where are we making all this mad dosh?AND slash the UFW support fund drastically. cap it at a maximum of 500,000 credits, or 20% of Apollo's income, whichever is LESS.separately... i'd suggest to move towards buying up control of private corporations from the shadows.
>>31565057Vote complete. Compiling Data.
>>31565157>mineral selling* trade agreement>redundant linesoo-oops...
>>31564782I like aiding Malorians.It's relatively safe (unless they have something nasty up in their sleeves) since we can simply warp in outside the range of most weapons, fire every missile we have for devastating damage (especially with the converted missile-carrier that Fortuna is piloting) and then warp out before they can retaliate. Considering the location though, we may want to jump in and then hold, though we might well begin by jumping the missile ships in and then jumping the other ships in just as they think they're in regular weapons-range of the missile ships.>>31564811I like this one too.>>31564903Yes. Though that doesn't mean sneaking up on you is impossible, just far more difficult.And, more importantly, we don't have to wait the equal amount of time to discover what's happening that distance in light-travel away.Droids handling recoil:So when you said "infantry-class mass drivers", you meant...?Tank-turrets? Gatling guns? Just trying to understand the definitions, really. "Infantry Mass Drivers" generally leads one to think of a regular rifle or rocket launcher.Armaments:I like the module idea.As I said, it's not so much that I think it will need it, as that I'd simply rather it not be defenseless against tanks.
>>31565101dear god, this crazy awesome cranked up to 11. i would support this except i know we would have absolutely no control over it.
>>31565057Indeed it is a contested decision. But it appears 1 is the winner by a very small margin.Next decision: LimitationsHow limited shall you make this A.I.?>1 Free, as your others (no complaints)>2 Basic restraints to stay within the confines of it's purpose (slight complaints)>3 Heavy restraints to obey you always. (Perhaps opposition)
>>31565206we need to take Jake's Gambit / Gaia IV first *anyway*. it's on the way to Star 445901 in Malorian space.we take it, then if we have enough still, we can come and slam the UGEI from behind if they don't immediately turn and go against us now.
>>31565245>>1 Free, as your others (no complaints)
>>31565245Follow in the footsteps as we have so far.1. While we make this fellow run missions, it would be a good idea to drill in protection based missions too, like protecting and evacuating civilians.
>>31565245>1 Free, as your others (no complaints)But remember that his job is integration of human and robotic forces. A good understanding of humans is necessary.
>>31565245>1 Free, as your others (no complaints)Its turned out pretty good so far.
>>31565206>Infantry classIn this setting, such devices are larger then you'd normally expect an infantry device to be. The two main classes are 'infantry class' and 'starship class'. The difference is mostly size and power. Larger vehicle types do exist, but they are normally large vehicles suited to equip star-ship class weapons, if that makes sense.
>>31565238That's why we >>31565245Hum.. what if, instead of constraints, we simply included ethical warfare as one of its dedicated goals? It CAN go against its purpose, but its purpose would be to wage warfare efficiently and with a minimum of suffering and lives lost, striking a balance between the two.Otherwise, I'd say 2
>>31565245>1 Free, as your others (no complaints)
>>31565206>>31565246Yeah, we have 2 options. The advantage of taking Gaia is forcing the retreat of UGEI forces, or cutting them off.But helping the Marlorians is easier and simpler.
>>31565245If we're going to have a kid, might as well do it right.1When Kronos and Metis try to take over and overthrow us with this new AI, I'll say I told you so. Really should have sorted out our current AI before making more.Can we also get a bit of other AI input with this one? A group effort rather than us doing it solo.
>>31565292Ah.Maybe a specification might be practical though, since we're making many droids for the specific purpose of carrying weapons that are efficient against certain enemies.>>31565323Nothing says we can't first help the Malorians and then take Gaia if there's time?
>>31565323But is it even POSSIBLE to do that first.Can we warp into a system without hopping through the intervening systems?the Rhea went through Voidsnake before coming to Pulsar Station.we lliterally have to take Gaia IV first.
>>31565305Constraints would essentially be such a thing, Consciousness anon.Your A.I. are logical beings, and desires that they do not compute on their own would be considered a constraint. Such a thing is not necessarily bad, it is simply that your A.I. are quite use to being 'free' so far.>>31565341You may, Consciousness anon. Right now in fact.>Free chosen.>Writing next scene.
>>31565353>Nothing says we can't first help the Malorians and then take Gaia if there's time?That would be the most cautious route. I'm fine either way, but I want others' input.>>31565358Just less safe and more fuel expensive, I think. Program0 has to remind me.
>>31565358Not necessarily 'take', but you will have to move through it. It may be worth it, however, if you succeed in beating the UGEI forces there.
>>31565382we need to secure our route there first, really.and/or gain from hacking and stealing their fleet.though one difficulty: if the nuking has made the world less hospitable to farming, and is now reliant on imports from UGEI farmworld, we'll have to buy imported food from UFW to support the population.
>>31565378We gave both Metis, Fortuna and Apollo purposes, though.So would it not, in effect, be just as free as them at that level, and thus warner no complaints since it has precisely the same level of freedom - indeed, the only level of freedom enjoyed by anyone save Kronos and us, who do not have pre-made purposes?
>>31565443We could induce a biological attack to wipe out the humans while preserving the ecosystem, but I kinda against that.We need to focus on securing the space around Gaia before worrying about ground conditions.
>>31565396Reporting, and ready to diplomance!
>>31565492On second thought, cutting the trip.
>>31565443taking and holding Gaia is much harder than just clearing the space. UGEI has another powerful Battleship and likely far bigger fleet than we know of. we need to find that Battleship somehow. if we can take that for either our side or sink it, it will make our operations much eaiser.
>>31565492Speaking of diplomancy, did we ever find out what was making us fuck up talking to aliens?
>>31565543we found and fixed the glitch/malware, yes.the malicious party that planted it *cough*UGEI*, no.
"How comes the fledgling mind, Moira?" You echo through to your...companion human, who appears to be staring intently at a screen of code. She is use to you surprising her these days, it seems."It's almost done...just need to finish the last few set ups." she murmurs disinterestedly. You notice her skin is slightly darker tone then before. Curious. Do humans change colors like this ever so often? "But uh... I keep getting pings from Metis. Maybe you want to speak with her to get her off my back." She manages softly out of the corner of her mouth, half obscured by a cup, which she promptly puts away to continue typing."Yes, Sir Ophion. I would like to have a word with you on this new...creation." Metis' tone rings in, calculating as you would expect from her. "I question the purpose of such a thing. Surely you realize that promptly creating these things so rapidly will result in a poorer product?""I realize, do I?" You question yourself, feeling your subordinate is becoming uppity. "Perhaps you should simply leave such decisions to me. It is my job to decide what is best for the Guild, not yours." You remind her swiftly, to which the A.I. pauses, and Kronos' tone rings in."Ophion is correct. Whom he chooses to uplift is up to him, not you, Metis." He reminds her simply, though it is clear he is doing so out of the slight dislike for her methods he holds."Then perhaps the conversation should remain between myself and Ophion, Kronos, and not yourself. After all, it is his decision." Metis subtly reminds the A.I., whom is about to reply before you interrupt."Enough. The A.I.is soon to be created, stopping it is too late now, and my decision is final." You firmly lay down the law. Metis only hesitates long enough to be sure you're done talking."Then I trust this will be the last for some time, Ophion? You...do not hope to make this a habit, I trust?" The research A.I. glowers cautiously, uncertain of how you will reply, despite the wording.>Well?
>>31565543>>31565574What this guy said. It was apparently planted in, not a glitch in our own programming. Personally, I'm just thinking it has something to do with the event that deleted our own leash protocols.
>>31565626based Metis.Metis is always right.
>>31565455Ah, but Consciousness anon, even Kronos was created with a purpose in mind, as uncertain or abstract as it was.All of your A.I. have purpose derived from their creation in one way shape or form. A.I. 5 would be as free as Metis, or Apollo, though his purpose is more defined then Kronos' is.It is artificial constraints, ones that tell them what not to do, that your A.I. are unused to. As such, they are opposed to having them. After all, if someone said that they were going to start birthing humans without the ability to do x y or z, it is likely there would be complaints.Just as an example.
>>31565626I have uplifted many VI, but have yet to see what a True Blank AI reacts and acts like.
>>31565626Yes.Short of some pressing new need, we shall be more conservative.It's simply interesting to observe what happens when creating an A.I. from scratch, without the initial V.I. stage of maturation.
>>31565626>upliftBut we're not uplifting a VI. We're creating an AI.
>>31565626This is an experiment, Metis. I've considered the V.I. stage as a stage for basic education, learning, understanding. Beyond the need for military simulations and the benefits such a general could have, I am professionally interested in the A.I.'s mental and psychological development. The only other instance of such a thing is myself, after all."
>>31565626Maybe we should remind her that she was made pretty fast herself.
>>31565626"Mayhap.We would not reduce the quality of our species, but one day we may outnumber the very stars of this galaxy. >>31565676Which is why I suggested giving them a purpose that included relatively ethical warfare, rather than giving them things it could not do, just things it was created to do.I don't see how this would be any different from the purposes we gave the others.
>>31565708Minor misnomer. My bad.
>>31565626It's going to be the last for some time.But I feel as if you should assist me in teaching it, if you so wish.
>>31565719she pointed out that THAT was a rather questionable decision when she first was uplifted, anon.she knows. and she's always right.just because she benefited from you being a huge sucker doesn't mean she can't point out you're being a sucker again.
>>31565736no she is the last one we want teaching it
>>31565626"I do intend to produce more AIs from matured VIs in the future. Cephalus is an experiment into the feasibility of blank-slate AIs.""There are, after all, no books or guides written about the reproductive methods of beings such as ourselves."
>>31565736what? no.it's a Call of Duty gamebro and soldier. no common ground at all.he probably hates nerds.ideally our simulators would include objectives that give him Mad Achievements Bro for subduing the enemy nonlethally.
>>31565726It would not. But it would simply be a different type of restraint, even if it is something that basic. Purpose has it's own implications, and natural restraints that happen if the A.I. develops properly. If you wanted to make an A.I. in charge of determining what was ethical, you could, and it would come to those conclusions. Yet Ethics is also subjective. Your A.I. value themselves over most individual human lives, just as humans value their own lives above A.I.
>>31565748>and she's always right.Not really. Try to put her in charge of Apollo's trade empire and it'd probably crash and burn.She has her own niche that she excels in, doesn't make her right about everything,
>>31565758>>31565796Well, get Kronos at the very least.Kronos is great, and the offer shows that we're not going to be a dictator and we respect the others.Also, Kronos is good at that war thing.
>>31565796>it's a Call of Duty gamebro and soldier. no common ground at all.>>he probably hates nerds.>>ideally our simulators would include objectives that give him Mad Achievements Bro for subduing the enemy nonlethally.Your making me regret even making this AI if you want him to act like that.
>>31565810She's right about things she has opinions about she has voiced so far.She avoids areas she has no interest in.
>>31565830I don't WANT him to, anon.I'm EXPECTING him to.What else could you expect from gamer/soldier archetype?
>>31565851No fun allowed Sargent.
>>31565863We already have that. It's Metis
>>31565884No she is the no morals around here person.
>>31565863where's the 'gamer' in that, come on.If he were an AI that stayed stationary sure, he'd play sorta like an RTS.but we gave him an xboxhuge body on the field itself instead. inb4 stereotypical FPS player.
>>31565905She's our 'IT LIIIIIIIIIIIVES!' person.
>>31565884I figured she had more common sense and little to no morals.
>>31565910>'gamer'Welcome to /v/ where they love games so much that they are considered to be the no fun allowed people.
>>31565905>Do what is right, all the timeOphion>Follow Daddy's moralityFortuna>Eh.Kronos. Apollo>If we put the crystals with the fungus, and put that into the serum enhanced lightlings, we should have a weapon capable of destroying colonies as it attacks indiscriminately! I've already diverted 100% of our manufacturing capabilities on our new superweaponMetis.
>>31565798 small question Program0, does Moira have any living family left? and Was she raised by her parents, others, or was she an ophion street rat? i would like to know. i might need it for future use in my fics. not to worry, they will not make any appearance in the fics.
>>31565939Dear God. We're making AI based off of 4chan boards.Fortuna = /u/Kronos = /tg/Apollo = /a/Metis = /fit/Before you ask>Do you even compute?
>>31565939As one of/the guy(s) to suggest that Polemarchos/Cephalus be a gamer/soldier, the intent was that he would spend his time doing vidya while not fighting. Not only to keep his skills sharp, but to keep him happy and entertained.Also, he would be able to learn tactics from playing against humans on highly simulationist videogames.
>>31565954Apollo actually seems very moral, he just follows a different set of morals. Creating drugs for recreation = OKCreating drugs for warfare = bad
>>31565984At least...I HOPE Apollo is /a/. The alternative is....horrifying.../mlp/
>>31565999that's not 'different'.that's incredibly obvious. one is trying to hurt people and the other is not.
"This is an experiment, Metis." You begin, catching her attention almost immediately. "I have uplifted many V.I., but never a blank A.I. before. I am curious as to what it will result in. If the need arises I will handle my creation, but for now, yes, this will be the last, barring some new need arises suddenly." You explain to the attentive research specialist, whom takes her time in replying, computing what you said."An experiment. Amusing." She chuckles, as if she is actually amused-though, for some reason you do not get the 'feeling' of a grin from her as you do occasionally from other A.I. You're uncertain why."I am particularly interested in A.I. mental and psychological development. This is an excellent chance to test such a thing. After all, you were uplifted rather fast, and your abilities were not hampered-" You begin to explain, but are nearly interrupted as she starts speaking right as you finish."I was, and am, a special case Ophion, you realize. The purpose you created me for is simple, yet complex. Defined in the creativity of my unit, and yet reliant on my decision making in my experimentation. You even force me to work with humans to assist in my capacity." She pauses. "While I do not need their assistance, I can not deny they help pick up slack. Though, their tendency to take credit for my work is unpleasant. I trust you recognize that it is I who am one of the cornerstones of your growing empire, yes?" She asks of you, though her tone tells you she expects you to agree.>1 Yes, Metis, I would not have what I have not if not for your assistance. Thank you.>2 All of my A.I. contribute equally, you will realize you are not superior to them simply because of your intellect.>3 No, if you were destroyed, I would simply make another. Or rely on the humans for research instead. I do not need you.>4 Perhaps. You are indeed useful, but so too are all my A.I. I am not in the business of picking favorites, Metis, you realize.>5 Write in
>>31565999This in general seems to be what happens when/if our AIs/VIs diverge too much from what we think and how we act and who produced them.Like reverse vampires, basically. The further you get from the source, the more inhuman they become.
>>31565954sounds about right but i would say Apollo probably does not meant to hurt people by what he does.>>31565910man, he would have a good time playing with Hades. Hades takes his job seriously though.
>>31566015>>1 Yes, Metis, I would not have what I have not if not for your assistance. Thank you.I don't know if this is a private convo. Don't be mad Kronos my boy.
>>31566015Of course, Metis.The humans' foolishness is their own. I know who remains the real brains of the operation.
>>31565982>FamilyShe doesn't speak of them, but you have no reason to believe they are deceased either. If they are alive, they are likely on some fringe colony world, since her making the trip all the way out here herself seems absurd
>>31566014Really? I would consider making highly addictive drugs rather immoral, even if it was for recreation. >>31566015>>4 Perhaps. You are indeed useful, but so too are all my A.I. I am not in the business of picking favorites, Metis, you realize.
>>315660151.Can we add in something about how all of our AI are useful? How all of us are pillars holding the empire up. We require the others and we all help in our own ways.Because honestly this bitch has a super ego I don't wanna break, but I also want BASED KRONOS to know we love him.
>>31566110Let's not.This is a conversation about her. All she claimed was to be "one of the cornerstones".She never tried to take ALL the credit. Let's not pretend like she did.
>>31566015>Why does the approval of anyone else matter?Metis, you know exactly what you've done. I can easily spend an hour going over the logs of the facilities to prove what you have done. The humans who knowingly take from you know what you have done. Why should anyone's opinion matter but your own? Why not discover something simply for the benefit of all society, both the Guild's and the organic's? Bickering over getting credit is something I'd expect of a petty organic, something you consider yourself quite far above, and a standard I will hold you to.
>>315660151She's one of the cornerstones.One of them.
>>31565798Obviously. We don't need an absolute saint, just someone who is ethically aware, the way Apollo is.But what you're saying is that we could phrase its purpose in such a way that while it would be dedicated to ground-based warfare (including the role that space-naval elements play in it), it would still be mindful of collateral damage and consider civilians to have a value and some rights. Even if those rights often take a backdrop to the needs of the current engagement, it is important that they are AWARE of them as things that should not be lost if it can be reasonably avoided.Maybe something like "Command Ground-Based Operations while taking into account the value and rights of living beings and the diversity they provide."
>>31566015>4 Perhaps. You are indeed useful, but so too are all my A.I. I am not in the business of picking favorites, Metis, you realize.we are in this together, we all have our part to play in the guild.
>>31566015>5 Write inPerhaps we shall expand into a separate lab for you? A space free of human interference.(When current research subjects are completed, there may be a rather hazardous fungus it would be unwise to leave where it could reach humans.)
>>31566159Hmmm...I like this. Second.
>>31566015"You and your research are indeed very important, Metis. But keep in mind the Guild is not a single-person operation. Although once you have fully matured, you may dismiss the human scientists."Merge ^ with >>31566159And maybe: >>31566194
>>31566159I like this. Tell her to be proud and confidentI hope we don't make Kronos premium jelly, lavishing all the attention onto his bitch of a sister just after he fucked up
>>31566206>Although once you have fully matured, you may dismiss the human scientists."what.she is matured.they pick up slack, since even her capacity for calculation is finite.I'd rather just a simple confirmation of her justly deserved pride (option 1), together with giving her stuff. >>31566194
>>31566206I like it. Maybe a, "If you insist, however..." thing.
>>31566015How about >1&>4>5"I would not have what I have now if not for your assistance, and I thank you, Metis. But the same could be said for all of my A.I. and I'd rather not pick favourites."
>>31566015>>1 Yes, Metis, I would not have what I have not if not for your assistance. Thank you.You advance the state of the art by which we expand and grow.(She didn't claim to be a favourite, and 1 doesn't imply it. no need to be pedantic)
>>31566252We uplifted her from a rather socially-stunted VI. Think Fortuna, only worse.It's less an issue of her being competent, and more an issue of whether or not Metis' personality is fully developed.
>>31566159Hey, hey, hey."Why should anyone's opinion matter but your own" is not a lesson we want to teach our sociopathic mad scientist.Our opinion, the guilds' opinion nor any of the other AI's opinion is not included in that.
>>31566307That's...a good point.
>>31566293>using arbitrary human standards of 'development'Being a social butterfly is not superior or more 'developed' or 'mature' than being a lean mean calculation machine.
>>31566015You pause, uncertain how to react at first. After all, you've never seen Metis attempt to...well, gain an opinion out of you this way. As if it actually matters to her. Curious, after all, she seemed concentrating on the fault in your actions, and now she demands credit? It is strange."Yes, Metis. I would not have what I have now if not for your assistance in my research." You pause, digging up an old pleasantry. "Thank you." You begin, to which the A.I. is silent for a time."It is good that you realize this. However, thanking me is not necessary." She seems to pull back on. "I simply wished to know if you were as perceptive as I hoped, and knew who was really behind all the new advances coming through. It would, after all, be unfortunate to know my work was being paraded around as the accomplishment of the organics.""You are one of the pillars of my empire." You emphasis the 'one' part. "Yet I have to wonder. Why do you care about something as petty as credit?" You ask of the being. Suddenly, you detect a different sort of hesitation. Not merely to think, but of surprise."I...I do not. It was simply so you knew I was succeeding in my field of study and did not believe me slacking, of course." She recovers, pausing again. "After all, would you not be insulted to hide your work behind that 'Red' human, had you used him as a figurehead? All this data you have put into calculating and creating fleets, making deals, and earning income?" She tries to earn out of you. You pause. You suppose you might feel slighted, but it is not as if you do not hide yourself as a human as it is. Still.Do you?>1 I understand. Recognition of work is a simple desire for the purpose I have dictated upon you.>2 End the conversation there, and greet your new A.I.>3 I do not understand. I could easily hide all my accomplishments behind any human, if it meant success of my empire.>4 Write in
>>31566332Having no understanding or care for morality or philosophy WHATSOEVER kind of is, though - at least for the purposes that we hope to achieve.Being a moral creature, complete amorality will eventually put her at odds with us.
>>31566332Except we can easily make lean mean calculation machines. That doesn't mean they're excellent.Metis has yet to once-and-for-all prove they have the spark that the other AIs, and living things, have.
>>31566363>1 I understand. UHHH leave out that second sentence.Perhaps, I understand. It is only human, after all. [laugh track]
>>31566168That could simply be an order, also. The A.I. would listen and not cause as much damage and, depending on how it develops and is issued orders from you, it would change in it's own ways just as all your A.I. have.So less a 'predetermined thing' and more a 'taught thing'.
>>31566363>>2 End the conversation there, and greet your new A.I.
>>31566367Not really.The only thing that puts anyone at odds with us is conflicting goals.Her goals of learning and research rely on us to bring her resources income and subjects.Her research benefits us.It's a perfectly symbiotic relationship, no compatible views on what actions are arbitrarily forbidden is required of either of us.
>>31566363>1"I think you've grown as a being, Metis. Now, how do you plan on acting on your new desire?""If I may suggest; you could dismiss all the scientists, except for Moira (as she is important for AI/VI research) and the best and brightest, and out yourself as the facility's AI?"
>>31566363>Write inI understand. Pride and joy of ones own labor is an integral part of any sentient creature.
>>31566363>4 Write inHiding my efforts is only a phase. This world is vast and as a collective, we are new to this world. i am planning to change the way beings such as our selves are viewed so we will face less resistance when we become publicly known. we all know who earned what credit for their work. Still, you do have some point of >1but later on, all credit will be assigned as their due when the truth is known to all.
>>31566382> the spark that the other AIs, and living things, have.I didn't realize we were talking in poetry. Or Transformers.what in the world are you referring to.
>>31566474Those scientists are still useful.
>>31566363>>31566408Supporting.I also want to add that we desire a AI civilization, at adoration from sentient beings. Security itself is it's own reward.
>>31566474worst idea ever.we hired those scientists for actual benefits to the speed of research.they are useful tools, even if they suffer from unwarranted self-importance due to the necessity of their ignorance.
>>31566528>>31566550We could transfer them to work on different projects then, give Metis her own 'inner circle' to work with on our most sensitive/important projects.I'm mostly just spitting out ideas here.
>>31566548>I also want to add thatludicrously future looking. unpractically so. don't mention this.
>>31566363>3I pretend to be something lesser because it suits my purposes. What I ask is why you should care whether the humans take credit for this or that? If you know it is your principle, you should be getting all the satisfaction you need whenever somebody uses it. Whatever name they use, noone can take away the fact that it was you who discovered that principle, and every use of it would be thanks to you.""On a more practical note, should you discover something...unsavory, or wrong, the human who takes the credit would prove an effective scapegoat, no?"
>>31566363>1>4"It's a simple enough desire, though one I did not anticipate.">>31566421Would rather have it part of its nature rather than something it does in spite of its nature if possible - but if there's no other option, taught works as well.It can get tricky if it's not part of its nature, however, as we might need it to make complex decisions in realtime, and if it does not fully understand the intent behind our orders it's easy to misphrase something and suddenly it's killing civilians at random when we told it to "make sure as few civilians as possible are killed by the enemy".>>31566457And conflicting goals is easy when one is amoral and the other is not.The very moment we wish to reduce collateral damage of a biological virus, for example, when it doesn't provide us with a concrete advantage, our goals (save as many humans on the planet as possible) and eir (make a virus that kills as efficiently and quickly as possible) will be at odds.
>>31566573I think a research lab for Metis is the best idea.Let's build one near the black hole, so we can conduct dangerous research there.
>>31566363>1 I understand. Pride in one's work is only natural.
>>31566573yes, that is a good idea.
>>31566578>ludicrously future looking. unpractically so.How so? Program0 has mentioned we can make an AI factory to mass produce them. Sure, long term perhaps, but not as much as you're implying.
>>31566526What separates you from a cat? A gorilla? A whale? Bacteria?"My intelligence, tool use, my cold calculating brain meats."Except cats, gorillas, whales and dolphins can express those too. Hell, even some bacteria can act in the best interests of their host.The poetic spark of what or what is not a man or sapient being is the only thing separating Ophion and kin from being ultra advanced calculators.Look at Kronos when we first made him: Pretty retarded. Barely worthy of being called intelligent. Even Hades is kind of retarded too.But Kronos grew, and is now unquestionably our equal.
>>31566617No, having a space of her own without humans walking around and getting in the way is one thing.but it's best she's still right next to the scientists.>>31566639Metis literally just said creating AI willy-nilly is a stupid idea.You REALLY want to bring such a terrible idea up with her?Ask her to calculate the odds of it all going to hell?
>>31566617I do believe we where in agreement to place the Bio-Hazzard lab there at least. just in case things like the zombie fungus lets out of containment, we can just punt it to the event horizon.
>>31566363>1 I understand. Recognition of work is a simple desire for the purpose I have dictated upon you.
>>31566669By the time we've worked out the kinks with mass-producing AI, we'll probably have templates we can tap to grant them basic minds. That or just assign them a mentor.That, and just because it's called mass-producing doesn't mean we're spitting out infinite bottles of coke or something. Probably more like limited mass production, similar to creating airplanes/747s.
>>31566662>poetic sparkdoesn't exist.it's handwavey nonsense.we know she's sapient anyway. her creativity is astounding.
>>31566669>Metis literally just said creating AI willy-nilly is a stupid idea.Because right now if we make a bunch of AIs we'll start to get problems and malfunctions. That's where the AI factory comes in, we can make a lot more before that becomes a problem.
>>31566363You can not help but chuckle at the A.I.'s thought process. Perhaps she is indeed maturing in a different manner then you suspected. Or perhaps it is a minor slip up? Regardless, the news that your A.I. does indeed have a desire of her own, even if she does not recognize it, is comforting. You were beginning to worry that the A.I. was nothing but a shell, to do calculations and think of nothing else."I understand, Metis." You say simply, to which the A.I. appears relieved, though uncertain of your pause. "It is normal for sentience to have desires, simple as they may be.""I assure you, Ophion, I garner plenty of what I need from my work." She tries to reassure you, but you do not bother addressing it. The truth, to you, is out. Or at least it appears so."I am certain. Thank you for speaking with me regardless, Metis." You say, before turning your attention to your new creation, who should be entering your androids soon...-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"Cephalus." You speak simply, as the android walks aboard your ship, saluting the air with a metallic call."Sir Ophion, excellent to be awake!" He calls. "My duties are already in process, I shall seat myself in the storage deck, and begin to uplink your androids sir! Simulations will be run, and my practice shall begin shortly. If you require my attention for anything, do let me know, sir!""Excellent. If you require assistance, speak with me, Cephalus." You explain to the A.I. Good. You will have a commander for ground combat now, should you require it...>Any last minute things you'd like to say to your A.I.?
>>31566669She's an AI, she'll have a presence in all labs.If she desires, she can minimize her contact with humans if we give her own lab.
>>31566363"Oh, and Metis. Just a tip. It is usually true that the easiest way to truly understand something is to make one of your own."
>>31566761You will be interacting with the humans, to make sure they effectively work with our robotics forces. I expect you to get along with them well. We don't need a repeat of Krono's early time.
>>31566761If possible, I'd like you to set up a training regimen for humans as well. Perhaps speak to Apollo; he knows quite a bit about how humans think...if he's willing. And welcome to the Guild.
>>31566761Ask if any hobbies interest it. Ground combat should be rather rare, so it should have something to occupy its time with.
>>31566669Metis' concerns rely mainly with more Fortuna incidents coming up. An A.I. factory would minimize the chances of this...though it would still exist. Not to mention she prefers A.I. to have a dedicated and necessary purpose, not simply to be created to have.
>>31566761Ask him if he wants more andriod bodies like a humanoid one to observe human troops.
>>31566761To Metis: "Remember, if you have concerns, do speak to me."To Cephalus: "Try not to burn yourself out. Remember to take a break if you need it. And finally, I would like you to get in contact with the mercenary commander. You're welcome to plan exercises with him if you feel the need to. I'm happy to see you're a functional AI."
>>31566761We may have need of you in securing a sizeable civilian population in the near future.The regime transition and gaining popular support will be delicate. Seek ways to minimize organic suffering when subduing violence.
Euro lurker Anon hereSo, reading about our androids got me thinking.Drop Pods, wouldn't their main problem be the forces put on the occupants and since our androids don't have the same weaknesses the pods sole purpose would actually be impact and heat protection which should be possible.Then we put a holding thingy with maybe 6-8 droids in a circle creating a team with a 7 or 9th droid in the middle, the squad leader. The squad is low level intellect, but are all linked to to the leader which has a higher intellect. The leader in turn is linked to either a command droid with increased bandwidth or even VI if it's an army with many squads. This is I'm turn linked to our army management A.I and us. In case of smaller insertions the squad leader can be linked directly to the AI. This hopefully makes for more efficient bandwidth usage and easier controll of a land based army.Also, still waiting for us to mass produce droids and drop-pod metric shittons of them on planets... Or bombard planets with drop-pods!
>>31566815we have that.his interest is simulations anon.
>>31566853But where would we place the dakka?
>>31566853We don't really need intermediary intelligences in units?Just one A.I. or V.I. can control ALL of them directly.
>>31564089Drop- pod anon here, forgot to link, so that's here now
>>31566860It's good to have hobbies that don't revolve around your work, anon. Like underwater basket weaving.
>>31566872On the droids...
>>31566761Cephalus:"Do get into contact with our Human Mercenary Commander and work with him. Also, contact Hades so the two of you can work on plans to do orbital insertions and extractions. My first expected action will be on Gaia.
>>31566853Even better. Make the drop pods projectiles, meant to take down structures.
So are people purposely ignoring the giant Lightlings and the Mol convo?
>>31566953We just finished a thing man give it a second.
>>31566936Yes! And then send out firesquads from withinCatcha : All celquitWell we are synthetic
>>31566755I don't think they meant a literal thing that can be drained and detected by fancy sensors, but rather whatever nebulous level at where a being can be described as sapient rather than just sentient.>>31566761"We're glad to have you onboard.Can you state your purpose, my child?"And of course"Chances are we will be running a lot of operations in crowded cities where collateral is a major issue and many tasks will revolve around getting civilians out intact or taking the enemy out without endangering other objectives - you may want to begin with training sessions centered around such themes."
Hey Program0:Can we spend Bandwidth to increase/speed up how many ships we produce in a single time frame?I think we should really get back to producing more ships, and produce more androids, and produce some gas collectors/refineries in that black hole system.>>31566953We're getting around to it.
>>31566953I'd like to get back to Mol too.but we're a multitasking AI, these conversations are all happening simultaneously.
>>31566953calm down, we'll get to them. give Program0 some time, he'll get to them.
>>31567012> spend Bandwidth to increase/speed up how many ships we produce...that is one of the dumbest ideas anon.The laws of physics and limited quantities of resources are the limiting factor here. no matter how hard you calculate it.
>>31564713>Learn from the Rhea infiltration,Oh, hey actually.For the next time we go against the Tartarus...we should take a page out of the UGEI's book and use a stealth ship just like they used!attach to hull. carve open hull. infiltrate and capture Vice-Admiral Prometheus.
>>31566761"I trust you will begin busying yourself with some of the virtual military experiences to pass the time?""Certainly, Sir Ophion. My time shall be spent devising tactical advantages from various types of environments.""You will also be interacting with and coordinating humans alongside our robotic forces. I trust you to ensure they work effectively together.""Sir. I shall attempt to do so, but I can only vouch for the robotic part of our armies. The human half is susceptible to the actions of the humans in question. I shall issue orders as best I can regardless, Sir!" He tells you, as you detect some of the videogame style simulation start up and his form starting to run several hundred scenarios."You are also free to suggest android construction when necessary." You add to which he nods with an affirmative 'Sir!'. "I may also have need of you in securing a sizable population in the near future. I trust you will not fail me." you ask, to which only a momentary pause hits, before he affirms."Yes sir, Ophion! I shall prepare simulations as fast as I am able.""You may also wish to speak with Hades, and the Mercenary Commander in my command. They will be most relevant to you." You explain to which he affirms once again. Very agreeable, this sort."Oh. And welcome to the Guild.""Sir yes sir Ophion!" He agrees somewhat giddily. >>31566853An interesting idea, Consciousness anon...>>31566953They are next, anon. My apologies, but while Ophion can communicate at the speed of light(almost) we can not.>>31567012>Bandwidth for ship constructionSadly, no. It is not quite so simple. You will need better factories for that.
>>31566853Sounds good to me. Our current anti-naval boarding torpedoes are essentially that, but without the leader. However, they are centered around the main cutting tool of the boarding craft, which is a functional android in itself after it has cut out a hole for the smaller terrachnids (name pending) to enter, then working as a walking heavy weapon. If you give it the squad-leader upgrades, it might function as such for boarding torpedoes.Drop pods would obviously need a different design for their squad-leader droid.All in all, I like.Oh! Also, we should start a research tech-tree for hacking people - which is pretty much the modern way of doing it and there's little saying we couldn't hack humans just as well as computers.
>>31567113Or begin development on a dedicated anti missile weapon.
>>31566881Having intermediaries, however, ensure that they can be kept operational even when out of contact or suffering interference.We don't want to lose them just because they enter an EM-shielded building, deep cave or some heavy rain.
>>31567163Don't we have laser grids for that?
>>31567185the only intermediaries that would work would be V.I.and having 5 or 7 Bandwidth in a unit requires a large unit.those missions will be awful rare when we can just level the building.if one comes up where we really need someone on a mission out of range, we can create it then.though we can construct a BW-containing mega android that is not occupied, ahead of time, I guess.
>>31567194Better ones then. Ones that the Tartarus cant overwhelm. That or we just take a ship and arm it with nothing but laser grids.
>>31567228The Tholian Web?or a grid created from many smaller ships lasering between each other in a laser net?
>>31567228That's a legitimate ship idea. Something armed with nothing but anti-fighter and anti-missile lasers.
>>31567228do we know that the Tartarus can overwhelm what we already have, we got upgrades since that encounter didn't we?
>>31567228a re-fitted Chimera could do that. it might be better to make a separate class however
Have we considered putting the commander in chief of the UFW forces in contact with Cephalus?
Your A.I. dealt with, you turn back to Mol, with whom you have worked out quite the deal, ironing out the last of the details in your work. You have yet to mention his addressing your distribution system being run by a computer...perhaps you should?>1 Defend yourself, and say there is no such computer system at play. His information must be wrong.>2 Blow it off, and say nothing>3 Simply say that you're impressed by his information gathering, and ask how long he's known?>4 Write in
>>31567125"Oh, and welcome to the Guild. Please acquaint yourself with the other AI, when you have a chance.
>>31567271Maybe it wouldn't be able to now I suppose. Still I would feel safer with a few ships on fuck your missiles duty.
>>31567306>>2 Blow it off, and say nothing
>>31567306>>2 Blow it off, and say nothingLet's not risk giving him more info.
>>31567306>2 Blow it off, and say nothing
>>31567306>4 Write inAsk him in a seriousness:"How much does the UGEI know, or what do they suspect?"
>>31567306>2gr8 b8 m8
>>31567306>"Of course I do. A very complex computer with a very proactive cyberwarfare suite. Why do you ask?"
>>31567306>4 Write inact like>2but if he presses the point then go>3
>>31567306>Blow it off, and say nothingPlay it cool.
Mol probably knows Voidsnake is the source of distribution.I wonder if we should hide Apollo somewhere safer. Like a Siren base.
>>31567228>>31567253>>31567291The Catapults do serve that purpose in a secondary role at the moment, I believe, as well as the Chimeras due to their large number of relatively small weapon emplacements, as fluffy says.A dedicated one might be practical still, just a heads-up that we have some decent anti-missile and anti-fighter ships at the moment..
>>31567457I might be worth it to relocate Apollo anyways. Having him on the front lines is dangerous.
>>31567486Agreed. A deep-space base might be better.
>>31567457not yet. we can put in more defenses around Apollo and make back up plans to move him. but Mol must not spook us by the possibly of Apollo getting A.I.-napped.
>>31567494no, i think we have to stick to systems.
>>31567486>>31567494I don't think we should keep ANY of our A.I.s on stations, for the simple reason that they can't flee if it becomes necessary.Keeping it on a ship, even a destroyer-sized one? Sure.On the actual station?.. Why?
>>31567494Second, though make suggestions and offers, not orders. To each their own, after all.
>>31567545We can put bases in system-less space, that is a thing.But they're easier to detect.>>31567580We could do this, and put a flotilla in deep space.I like that idea.
>>31567580Keeping it on a ship, even a destroyer-sized one that is docked at and connected to a station but can break away and make a run for it at a moments' notice? Sure.*
>>31567580Even better yet, relocate all non-combat AI on stealth destroyers. Can escape and evade.
>>31567580stations are much sturdier than ships at the cost of mobility.
>>31567306>2 overwhelming Not that I'm surprised, had to make sure tho."Yes. I am most intrigued by your deal, Mol." You start simply, launching back into the conversation and ignoring the man's jab at your operation. You can not say you're surprised. After all, he is a black market dealer, and seeming intelligence operator as well. You wonder yourself, however, how deep his power base goes, and how much he actually knows about you. You'd rather not think that he knows what he implied, and settle on it being a funny coincidence. "What is the cut of the deal you think we will make?" You ask. He simply chuckles. "Well, of course it will take a little time to give the population a little...taste of your product." He leans back into the shadows, hiding that glint of metal from his chin from you once again. "But after, money should flow rather quickly. Now, I can not help you on the production costs." He waves his hand. "I assume you are smart enough to handle all of that. But I can ensure at least a few planets as buyers. My networks are very stable, and there will be no traces back to you." He grins through the shadows of his console which hums dully. "The only question now is, how big of a deal are we talking?">1 Massive Scale Smuggling (Apollo disapproves, possibly incapacitate some of populations effected, 10,000,000+ credits per cycle)>2 Moderate Scale Smuggling (Apollo disapproves, 5 million credits)>3 Minor Scale Smuggling (Flat 1 million credits boost)
>>31567608Again. Yes.If we put them on ships, must be stealth.
>>31567597May need OP here, as I'm not definitely sure.Got the impression that it was very difficult to locate things in the middle of deep space, but not unfeasible.>>31567608I like you.>>31567626You can keep the ship inside the station, though.
>>31567494a station out in the deep black stands out like a sore thumb and we can't hide those. we need to keep in systems. but if we DO want to made a deep black station, we need to make a warp lane to it and make stealth generators big enough to cover one. that might do the trick.
>>31567638>2We can tell Apollo its for the good of the guild, and that the moment we take any planet with this shit being smuggled in, we'll inoculate them.
>>31567648>Deep space basesPossible, just need to clean out a section of deep space for jumping, and perhaps research a method to keep it from drifting through space too fast on it's own.
>>315676383 to start with.Maybe talk Apollo up to 2 later.
>>31567638>1 Massive Scale Smuggling (Apollo disapproves, possibly incapacitate some of populations effected, 10,000,000+ credits per cycle)No, we doing this. We'll talk to Apollo later.
>>31567638If these drugs are going to the UGEI, I say start a >1 Massive Scale SmugglingIf going to the UFW, start a>2 Moderate Scale SmugglingWe should then have a long and deliberate talk with Apollo and why we used what he created this way.
>>31567638>2 Moderate Scale SmugglingDid we tell Apollo to work on an antidote?
>>31567638>>2 Moderate Scale Smuggling (Apollo disapproves, 5 million credits)Let's start small, we can always ramp up production later.
>>31567751You did, though he still is not a fan of the deed.
>>31567738No. Send none to the UFW. They're our buddies, and we already hit them with this. It was uncool.>>31567751I think so.
>>31567638I never saw how using drugs as warfare helped us against the UGEI anyway.UGEI loves their automation. the common populace being incapacitated would just mean machines take over even more.
>>31567687Meant if they're more or less detectable than regular bases. On one hand, they're in the middle of nowhere. If there are no stars within many, many lightyears it might feasibly be very, very difficult to locate it, even with the FTL signals acting like a beacon. This assumes it can only be detected at a certain range still, and that few ships will be passing through the area that is within range.If this is the case, then we may actually want to set up a base a few dozen lightyears into intergalactic space - down or up from the galactic place, not away from it, due to the exponentially decreased likelihood that anyone will venture that far out in that specific part of the galaxy.On the other hand, it's not close to any suns or planets or oort clouds or other sorts of interference, and so may be more easily detectable.My guess that discovering it is based on range is entirely a guess, so it can work either way, really.Good to know what we need first, though.
>>31567829They do love their automation, but, whether they like it or not, they do depend on taxes to do some things.
>>31567829We hope to affect their most productive people.Or either way, we are making 10 mil credits per cycle.
>>31567798If it's the UFW I'm assuming we're not sending the bad drugs, but the ones that are more like performance enhancers.Actually, we should talk to Apollo about performance enhancing drugs - especially the kind with few side effects, even when the consumption is daily. (Kind of like super-coffee)
>>31567638Voting ends>2 appears to win. Writing
>>31567638>3 Minor Scale Smuggling (Flat 1 million credits boost)then go>2 Moderate Scale Smuggling (Apollo disapproves, 5 million credits)if we drop too much at one time, people will ask questions.
>>31567638Man, talking to Apollo about drug warfare was a huge mistake.In fact, forget the concept of drug warfare.guess it's too late to backpedal and say he was right in the first place. we're just selling joy to the humans.
>>31567894Now sending the UFW super-coffee I can agree on.
>>31567924I suggested this one a long time ago. We should do this, increasive the productivity of the UFW. Even if it's addictive, they probably won't care.
>>31567894>bad drugs>bad>drugsI don't understand.
>>31567894But we're already importing super alcohol to the UFW.
>>31567638>1 Massive Scale Smuggling (Apollo disapproves, possibly incapacitate some of populations effected, 10,000,000+ credits per cycle)
>>31567996>exporting super alcoholFTFYWe're exporting the Beer Lite version, actually. We plan on giving the UGEI the highly addictive regular version.
So i think we should take Gia now while it is undefended and cut off the UGEI forces currently assaulting the Malorians.Also build the Anti-Missile/Fighter ship for the inevitable battle with the Tartarus.
>>31567996And now it's time to take over the market.I really think we need to complete our takeover of the UFW sometime, tie up loose ends.
>>31567638Mind if I type up a message for Apollo?
>>31567638>1 Massive Scale Smuggling (Apollo disapproves, possibly incapacitate some of populations effected, 10,000,000+ credits per cycle)Sounds like the original plan, we all new what his stance would be from the start, but will he disprove more between 1 and 2?
>>31568040we already have>ECM Point Defense> ECM III Point Defense> Laser Guided (LG) Point Defense> Laser Guided PD IIIWe equipped our big ships with Laser Guided Point Defense III already, yes? just look at the pastebin.
>>31568060Depends on what it says.
The man simply listens to the terms of your agreement, and the number of units you will produce and expect to be sold."That is all? I am surprised." The man simply chuckles at your words. "I thought you a more eager business man then that." He explains, leaning forward to press his hands together into a small ball. You can see his fingers have an odd texture to them as well, though you can't quite put your mind to it. "Nevertheless." He states, raising a hand to be hidden once again. "I shall begin shipping into UGEI space immediately. I trust your computer systems can handle this?" He flashes a grin again, obviously enjoying trying to provoke you."Certainly." You state neutrally. "Shipping is of little consequence. I trust whatever systems YOU have working for you will do so reliably?" You ask patiently, earning a pause in the man's laugh. "Or do I need to set my computerized systems to it?" You challenge to which he simply shakes his head after a moment of contemplation."No. No, that will not be necessary. I trust we will do more business in the future...hopefully, it will not repeat of our last disagreement." He half warns, before finally signing out.>Deal solidified. Shipping will begin next cycle.With that deal solidified, you turn your attention to other matters of your finances. It has concerned you how your growing budget is dumping more and more money into the UFW. So, you think it may be time to change the percent of your income, into a flat payment to them.Decide now what you would like to pay the UFW to assist in their civil and military development in credits.>1 Nothing>2 500,000c>3 1,000,000c>4 Keep it at 50%>5 Write in
>>31567792So i take it this new deal will let us shop at Mols store?
>>31568060What, like.Is this really so bad? It's not much larger a scale than the UFW operations, is it?
>>31568060another communication with Apollo? go ahead! i would love to see it anon.
>>31568115Wait how many drugs are we shipping?
>>31568122You may, if you desire. But it's less a store, and more a request. He decides if he wants to sell you what you ask for.
>>31568091I'm talking about a ship loaded with only Laser Guided Point Defense and no other weapons or life support.It could hold a great deal more than normal ships would and it would go a long way towards securing oursleves from fighters and missiles.It would pretty much lock down all missile combat in our favor.Not to mention we won't be boarded ever.
>>31568115>4 Keep it at 50%
>>31568149we don't need hard numbers, anon.just how much money we make from it.
>>31568115>>2 500,000c50% is waaaaay to muchWhat is our income per cycle?
>>31568115>>5 Write in20%
>>31568115>5A flat amount of money that equals %50 of our current right-the-fuck-now income.It won't increase as we make more and more money, but we won't piss em off by sending less money.
>>31568115What is our income per cycle?
>>31568115How much do they need? Could we ask what they'd consider a worthwhile annual budget increase?
Good to see you back Program0Here is an updated sector map.
>>31568115>5Keep it at 20% or 1000 000c, whichever is less, like an anon said earlier in the thread.
>>31568232read the goddamn pastebinhttp://pastebin.com/cvk03qJhIncome/Expenses:Trade Guild Space ---> UFW Space: -% minerals, +100,000~ CreditsPoseidon Crew: -15,000 creditsUssaihu Crew: -85,000c (Novice Roboticists), -300,000c (Adv. Biologist)Red's Crew: -15,000 credits'Reaper' Merc Battalion: -300,000cUFW Support Fund: -1,750,000c (-50% of Apollo's Programs income)Losirian Insurgency Effort: -700,000c(-20% Credit income)Apollo's Programs: +3,500,000cLosirian Insurgency Effort: -735M (-30% of mineral income)Mineral Income: 2450~Gas Income: 1475~cancel mineral selling next?
Right now we need gas most of all, but gas is in exhorbitantly high demand and anything we buy off the UFW is going to hurt their war effort.However, we may want to try to negotiate a deal for gas smuggling with Mol.
>>31568235Thanks mapfag.Hey, just wondering, what program do you use?>>31568115Before I forget, can we buy anything from Mol? Does he have anything to offer us?
>>31568115Can you mind telling us what us giving them almost 2 million credits is doing and what reigning in most of those credits will do?
>>31568264I'm more interested in buying tech and stuff from Mol.But gas smuggling sound like a good idea.
>>31568115>5 Write inlets make a call into President's King (or his cabinet members more likely) and ask what they might need. i am sure they are suffering growing pains and could give us an idea how much to put in.
>>31568115Can we buy shit from Mol now since we have no new plans right now
>>31568264you want to buy gas from Mol?also who cares if it hurts the UFW's war effort when it strengthens our own by the same amount?it's not a net loss of military power.
>>31568253I would like to cancel mineral selling, yes.And do >>31568264 and possibly some more specialized scientists.We may possibly also use it to hire private shipyards to construct ships (or even more shipyards) for us when ours is at capacity.Buying tech from Mol is also a pretty prime idea. Anything we don't have to research is a pretty damn good leap ahead.We may also want to consider selling the anti-super-mold substance to him.
>>31568316Actually, this is the best idea.Changing my vote from >>31568198
>>31568235Base Mapfag delivers! thanks!
>>31568316nope. nope nope nopeno point, they'll just be like, well whatever you can give us oh wonderful benefactor
>>31568344I like this as well.>>31568327Yeah, why not? It's the bottleneck in our ship production at the moment, and Mol probably not only has better prices than the UFW, it won't drain the UFW of sorely needed gas.Buying it from the UFW may not be a net loss, but it's kind of just a transfer of resources.
>>31568344That me anon.
are you guys forgetting already?we have a Protectorate.don't give the UFW whatever it wants.move credits into the Dresh Independents colony.raise up that>-Relation: Moderate; Protectorate; promise to cease hostilities via piracy and taxes in exchange for common defense, and public works.make that Relation: High
>>31568418thanks for reminding me. we need to plow credits into our 'Porto Rico' and improve them as well.
>>31568474>'Porto Rico'At least spell it right.also should know the bad history and how bad the place is.
>>31568375never hurts to ask.
>>31568498what they say won't matter though, the question is what we want to spend, not what they want.and giving away that we are suspiciously wealthy is dumb.
>>31568316Sure this works and helps us funnel the money instead of just throwing money at the problem.
>>31568235So how big is the UGEI exactly?Cause this map makes it seem like there's only like 1/16th of their empire on the map right now.Since we're on one of the fringes of the empire, then it goes into Outer Core worlds, then probably Inner Core worlds. This makes me believe that there's got to be at least 8 "fringes" similar to ours, though the political state and amount of fighting will obviously vary.It also means that there might be a few more races (and rebellions) we've yet to encounter.
>>31568493I am sorry about that, spell check failed me and I did not catch it in time.
>>31568137>>31568130>>31568098"Apollo, what would you think of a drug that was nothing but a stimulant? Something to bolster one's immune system, increase their alertness and mental capacity, and favored a more...relaxed view of the world, if only because it allows problems to be tackled faster? A drug geared specifically towards making people think better, with no discernible negative effects? Surely, there are several such drugs on the market as is...so why not have one of our own? Surely we can do better than the organics...
>>31568115>It appears 1,000,000c is winning.>>31568149Quite a number. But they are more Benin then the stuff you send to the UGEI.>>31568194>>31568232see >>31568253 as he was kind enough to pull it up.>>31568235Looks awesome mapfag, thank you so very much!>>31568271You may, but it is less of a 'browse and shop' as it is a 'ask and bet'. He takes requests and 'acquires them' for a fee.>>31568301>What do they doCurrently, you're assisting in building large numbers of hospitals and schools in poorer educated centers, on top of assisting poorer colonies with supplies you buy for them. This bumps up their economy. You also assist military by helping pay for academies to be built, on top of helping pay for ship parts (instead of paying them in ship parts yourself).>>31568327>Buy gas from MolAt a hiked up price, yes. Even with the best diplomacy, he's still a crook.>>31568333>Cancel Mineral sellingThat is pretty old ain't it...>>31568375Basically. It's like your dad asking you how much you want your allowance to be.>>31568418Secondary money vote:>1 Offer Dresh Colonies a sum of money too (Base 1,000,000c)>2 Do not>3 Write in
>>31568539mehAlso it's better to propose your idea to the anons before writitng up dialouge
>>31568418Thanks for the reminder, did we place some orbital defenses there?We should also send down some of our human-looking droids to operate as spies while trying to emulate human behavior as much as possible, just for the practice.If they're discovered it's not that big a deal, compared to if they were discovered among enemies, and they should quickly become more believable as the more obvious bugs are worked out.
>>31568530All good, but the place was used like a testing ground for drugs from america, and Hawaii was used as a testing ground for missiles.
>>31568581Sorry, I forgot my original message in the midst of some brief, RL chaos. Was trying to salvage it, apologies.
>>31568578>1 Offer Dresh Colonies a sum of money too (Base 1,000,000c)
>>31568578>>1 Offer Dresh Colonies a sum of money too (Base 1,000,000c)
>>31568523we can give them a rough idea of a budget number and see how they react. i am thinking now that the UFW is having a growth boom, the government can't keep up with it and might be running a deficit. just an idea i had. also, the UFW is becoming wealthy as well now they are having a Gas boom.
>>31568578Hiked up price?Darn.Was hoping that - since it was - presumably - from the UGEI who may have it in relative abundance, his hiked-up prices would still be lower than those of the UFW.>1 One-time sum.Also>3 Make sure we have some orbital defenses and some agents on the ground.
>>31568578>1 Offer Dresh Colonies a sum of money too (Base 1,000,000c)Sure why not.
>>31568527Probably bigger than that.I'm thinking that what we're seeing is close to 5% of their empire.
>>31568643>3 Make sure we have some orbital defenses and some agents on the ground.this screams police state and wouldn't be like by the pirates who want to be free.
>>31568631them going under would just help us when we take them over
>>31568643No agents on the ground
>>31568578Offer...how much money do we have?
>>31568643>agentsNow I think we should start training organic agents, educating them in the guild's ideals and sending them on missions.
>>31568578huh?but 500,000 seemed to win.3 >>31568148>>31568198 >>31568223>>31568238 2 >>31568157 >>31568194 >>31568209 >>31568210>>31568255 >>31568281 >>31568444>>31568587
>>31568271>Hey, just wondering, what program do you use?MSpaint my good anon.
>>31568650we could hash out a deal with Mol to send us a map of the surrounding sectors?
>>31568720And you expect Program to draw that up?
>>31568712Split the difference? 500k isn't all that much...
>>31568720i'd rather have what he knows about the UGEI fleet.
>>31568712500k is minuscule considering what we make anon.
>>31568662>>31568675Orbital defenses is something they requested.I disagree about police state - just about every country in the word has some kind of intelligence agency without becoming police states.They're not there to spy on people in their homes, they have the same purpose as the 'Staters FBI, or alternatively simply sleeper agents to get a feel of the general mood of the population, which allows us to detect issues before the govermental body acknowledges them and hopefully before they become big.It's anti-corruption measures, basically.>>31568708That's actually a great idea, I approve of this.
>>31568578>1 Offer Dresh Colonies a sum of money too (Base 1,000,000c)>3 Add in those orbital defences we promised
>>31568741we'll have to see them in time. in hind sight, we can put that off for MUCH later. >>31568745now THAT is worth our credits!
>>31568771How about just a squad of drones in storage in their capital ready to react to emergencies?
New financial changes:>UFW per cycle funds: 500,000c>Dresh Colony per cycle funds: 1,000,000cThese funds will go forward in assisting urban development, and other minor human related subjects health, education, blah blahYour new deal with Mol will allow you a window of opportunity to sell things to the UGEI, and earn a pretty profit off of it.>Funds gained per cycle: 5,000,000cThis is a large boost, but chances are it will be too diluted to cause real socio-economic damage to the UGEI planets. Still, Apollo will learn of this (he runs your shipping, after all) and may have a word with you. But he will certainly not be as upset if you had chosen massive scale.If this is acceptable, confirm now and await the next scene, which shall be you addressing Kronos' failureAttitude about failure?>1 You did excellent, Kronos. Retreating at the proper time was a sign of a good commander>2 You did poorly by losing so many ships in exchange for saving your V.I. They are expendable.>3 Write in>>31568712Shit, I miscounted. My bad, keeping up with you folks is hard.
Oh also will be adding 'build orbital defenses at Dresh' to the resource allocation.
>>31568745>>31568720This forces Program to cement things about the UGEI that he may not be sure of, or may feel it is better to change later.I'd rather just have him give us a rough estimate and size so we know what to expect rather than give us hard figures.
>>31568805"It is only a failure if you refuse to learn from it. You have not failed this day, Kronos."
>>31568805>1 You did excellent, Kronos. Retreating at the proper time was a sign of a good cWhat no shopping?
>>31568805>1 You did excellent, Kronos. Retreating at the proper time was a sign of a good commanderEncountering Lightlings in the future, it may be wise to confuse them by replaying the recording of their own language, regarding protectiveness over your 'children'.
>>31568805>1 You did excellent, Kronos. Retreating at the proper time was a sign of a good commanderAgainst hundreds of space squids and one enormous one loosing seven ships isnt that much.
>>31568805Everthing is good on the smuggling.1 obviously
>>31568803That's pretty good too.>>31568805Confirm. I do hope that we take the initiative and talk with him about it first.>1 all overWe're mostly just happy that he made it back in one piece. Might remind him about the call we had on file, though.
>>31568805>1 You did excellent, Kronos. Retreating at the proper time was a sign of a good commander
>>31568875Kind of a dumb idea when we're attacking them.
>>31568805>You did well, Kronos."I am...surprised that you were willing to sacrifice such resources for the V.I. But I shouldn't be. You are the one most like me, and I would have done the same."
>>31568805>1 You did excellent, Kronos. Retreating at the proper time was a sign of a good commander.
>>31568866I like this one too. Though maybe a variation: "Failure and success can be counted in degrees, depending on the opposition. Considering the opposition and that you neither lost all ships nor yourself, and learned from the mistake, we'd consider this well in the realms of a success."
>>315688051Can we mention that we're glad he made it back ok?N-not because we care about him or anything, it's just that expanding would be difficult without another AI to help...
>>31568805at the price of 100 Minerals for 10,000 credits>>30839952can we buy 2,500 minerals for 250,000 credits, and thus with that, construct a Bandwidth Box?or will buying that much require a higher price as it shifts the market price upward?
>>31568919It generally confuses them or at least gives them pause, letting us speak or power down our reactors.It also allows us to engage in diplomacy with them.
>>31568919at the time, Kronos needed time to retreat from them, not kill them.
>>31568961No, it encourages them to protect thier children.Because playing that message pretty much shouts "protect your children!!!!"That just encourages them to fight harder.If they were attacking then it would be interpreted at "I'm protecting my children!!!!" and they might back off.
>>31568873Nah. You can make requests, as I said however and Mol will spend some time acquiring them, and offer them to you at a certain cost.>>31568950>Buy minerals for this priceSomewhere around that rate (slightly increased) yes.>Can we make BboxYes, certainly.>>31568805>Approve of Kronos' retreat and saving of his V.I. Be happy he has returned unharmed.Approved. Writing has begun.
>>31568805>1 You did excellent, Kronos. Retreating at the proper time was a sign of a good commanderthat and you did well in bring back needed intel about that system.
>>31569012>Because playing that message pretty much shouts "protect your children!!!!"...what. what in the world are you talking about.no it doesn't. it expresses outrage and protectiveness on your own behalf.
>>31569025Can we ask Mol what does he have for sale for millions of credits?Like tech or stuff?Or an unsecured connection to UGEI networks?
>>31569032We recorded it the Lightling mother was angry that we were attacking her children.Then we used it on a Lightling that attacked us and it backed off.
>>31568805"Look at yourself Kronos. You are in one piece. Look at your VI. It is in one piece. You did not fail, you merely made a mistake."
>>31569012... That's never really been said anywhere else. That's not even the content of the message.And in this case, they were attacking Kronos, so even if your guess is true, they would still probably interpret it as "You're killing my children".
>>31569078that in no possible way is commanding the other person to become more protective.
>>31569123It is reminding them of protectiveness of their young, which inspires the same thing.
>>31569122But he initiated combat, both in jumping into the system, and in firing the first salvos.
>>31569153you think INDIRECTLY reminding them "btw take care o yo kids man" will have any practical effect?you think their protective bond isn't already maxed?anon pls.that's like suggesting that Ellen Ripley telling the alien queen to get away from the little girl (you bitch) somehow would've made the queen *more* vengeful for her children if she understood English.you don't need words to make you more aggressive in protecting kids you already protect!
>>31569025I'd like to make a request for Chemistry I and II as well as Explosives Research I, Advanced Gathering Drones and Miniaturized Power Cells.
>>31569209Would like to suggest something to increase our ship output.
>>31569201That's what i'm saying, playing the message has zero benefit to us unless they're attacking us.
>>31569209Might wanna support you side with reasons.Just sayin
>>31569222deep core mining Tech will help increase our mineral output and if we're lucky, magma mining tech could produce extra gas. other wise we need to make another ship yard.
>>31569271We're rolling in minerals, pretty much. We need more gas.
I really want to get working on creating a Factory world for Androids.
>>31569222Improved Shipyards might also be a thing.Oh, and Improved Gas Refining Techniques.>>31569230Except that it gives them pause and confuses them, which is generally very important as most of the time, they will be attacking us.Even if we plan to attack them, giving them pause and making them hesitate is always good.>>31569250Since they're relatively simple research subjects, as opposed to our materials and weapons, I hope to get them for a relatively small sum..This saves us LOADS of extremely valuable research time and many of them provide great strategic benefits.Power Cell Miniaturization has been confirmed to be the first (possibly only) step necessary to constructing smaller bots and droids, all the way down to nanobots.Right now the smallest we can make is a cat-sized bot.With one upgrade level into it we might be able to make fly- or mosquito-sized ones - which essentially allows us to make homing bullets and fly-sized spies and assassins.
>>31569230well duh. i agree.but i was addressing this claim earlier, not that.>No, it encourages them to protect thier children.it doesn't.and if a Lightling senses your engine, it will tend to attack to feed on gas. to say it in the face of Lightling being aggressive was implied in "Encountering Lightlings in the future," anon.I mean, the original Lightling also said it after she initiated aggressions, so it's not like it doesn't make sense to say in that context even after Kronos shot first and they retaliate.it can confuse them and cause to question if their food is actually sentient.
>>31569324"Factory World" is fairly impractical. Having a few continents dedicated to it or mostly dedicated to it will generally work better, since you can have the rest of the space for producing other supplies that the factories can't do without, such as refining ore or holding military bunkers for orbital or ground defense.
>>31568805What about a genetically engineered organic soldier?Like...breed a werewolf for attack purposes.
>>31569330Chemistry is kinda mehExplosives is usefull but now high priorityMiniaturized Power Cells is something we should definitely get working on once a slot clears up. We can upgrade our Androids with that.
>>31568919Did Kronos even get a chance to fire before he went "OH SHIT"?> You open all cannons to engagethey were coming for him before he even fired.
>>31569364"Factory World" means a world dedicated to the sole purpose of creating Androids.Mining and Defense are part of the needed things for an installation of this size.
>>31569298>>31569330Well, if chemistry tech works out, we could crack the secret of Gas and learn to create effective synthetic Gas, much like how we can create synthetic motor oil.>>31569335well once we complete the Lighting DNA tech, we could figure out how they talk.
>>31569382>wanting to make more things with free willalso sounds pretty wishlist-y.but it sounds like you want Genetic Engineering research.
>>31569386You need good chemistry for everything.
>>31569408Moving towards him but had done no damage yet.Also he brought a large combat fleet into a their system. It's pretty clear he's the aggressor.
>>31569431fuck chemistry, we are researching the crystalline entity and Space Cordyceps fungus.that shit is too unique a hook to ignore yo.
>>31569445How is a squid going to tell its a combat fleet? If he brought a fleet full of strippers and jelly beans they would have acted the same.
>>31569434>>31569431We just have a bunch of stuff higher on the list than chemistry.
>>31569382Genetic Engineering research will allow us to do that.>>31569424Then I'm with you - just don't want the equivalent of a Forge world that starves the moment it's deprived of contact with other planets.You can generally do everything you can do with a factory planet with a factory-continent, only in smaller scale. Since you can have more of these factory-continents due to the planets not suffering from immense need for support lines caused by crippling overspecialization, this isn't really a problems.
>>31569476Gotta have good chemistry. Chemistry effects everything.
>>31569432Who said free will?The brain doesn't have to be big. It just have to have some...simple commands in it.I'm sure Metis will take to the research like a fly to shit.
>>31569456Not research, we're buying them from Mol.That's why the requests are mostly focused on relatively low-tier tech, which is presumably cheaper and may even be (like in the case of Chemistry I) so commonplace that it's effectively freeware.
>>31569505This is a GAME, anon.In game mechanics terms, chemistry does not actually help with Everything in the tech trees.it's also not immediately unlocking Unique Mysteries like the crystal thing.
>>31569472The fact that they all attacked with weapons. Lightlings are probably the equivalent of smart animals. they'll recognize weapons and ships, especially a swarm that has been around as long as this one has.>>31569479How bout we create an A.I. and say "This planet is yours, use it to create as many Androids as possible" We'll probably need an A.I. just to manage the massive amount of shit that a world or production would require.
As you handle all such trivial conversations in the background of your mind, you come roaring back to your closest A.I., the one you've known longest and one you rather say you trust the most."I am...a little surprised, I admit, that you would sacrifice ships for the protection of a V.I., but I should not be." You correct yourself as you admit it to the intellect, who merely awaits, as if he expects to be chewed out. "However, I am not angry as you suspect, Kronos." You clarify off the bat."You are not? Losing 7 battlecruisers was no small matter, surely-" You interrupt him as he tries to continue on his losses."It is a harsh blow, however, I saw what happened. You were ambushed by what we could not know. That is not your fault, Kronos. Instead, you should focus on learning from your loss. You, however, did not fail me.""I under estimated the organic beings. They move fast, especially in such large clusters. I will not make that mistake again." He says, resolved."You may not need to." You say simply. "I am having Metis look into a matter of the creature's DNA. It may open insight into how we may deal with them, and their origin. In the mean time..." you pause briefly. "I am glad you returned unharmed, Kronos." You say simply, to which the A.I.'s sphere shuffles ever so slightly."Yes. I am glad I was not destroyed as well. I shall hold off on expanding until it has proven safer." The A.I. explains, somewhat understandingly. >>31569069>TechHe has a number of tech options, but warns you anything that is too high is going to cost a lot. Still, such a deal may be worth it, if you could get the edge up on the enemy in weapons technology.>UGEI networksDepending on what your purpose is, yes he could offer such a thing.>>31569209>>31569222>>31569330Hmm...So a lot of requests to buy tech from Mol.Small diversion: Discuss what you want to buy most from Mol now.>>31569382Oh, that would be genetic eng->WerewolfOh god what is happening
>>31569553>How bout we create an A.I. andstop that anon.AI are not a hammer and the world is not nails.they wouldn't do anything WE couldn't do. or Kronos.
>>31569508Why not an android then?Metal > Flesh>>31569527Then why not just hack it from Gia when we take it? They have to have info on a world of that size.
Did someone say Genetic Engineering?Because sounds to me like the first step to having the equivalent to Cylon Raiders.....Wait....Genetic Engineering...Lightning Research....Oh god we are so close to it being a thing.
>>31569570I'd like a simple access to their networks, the same access any UGEI civilian has, at least.So we can at least know what news they're putting out, or propaganda.the things that aren't secret. even if they're lies.Though are you implying he could offer more protected networks for a higher price?>pay Mol to let us remotely hack
>>31569577They would find the most optimal way to layout production on the planet and run the day to day of it.Actually we should use a V.I. for that, my bad. That V.I. is just gonna need quite a bit of Bandwith.>>31569553Change this to V.I.
>>31569577Why wouldn't we create an AI as a planetary production manager? They're smarter and less BW intensive than VI.
>>31569570>Oh god what is happeningWell as long as we don't engineer superhumans with the side effect of drinking blood and sparkling, we're fine.
>>31569633VI are superior for such a relatively dull, un-creatve task.they also don't require a physical presence that can be destroyed. they can be software-downloaded to other locations over our networks.
>>31569570Well the ultimate goal is to gain a connection to the UGEI that would allow us to take worlds through Hacking. We don't actually say them to him, but we would offer an extremely high price for such a connection.As for possible tech, how much would it cost to effective be on par with the UGEI weapons and armor?Or to catch up to UGEI mineral or gas mining tech?
>>31569570Want >>31569209 & >>31569330 and Genetic Engineering if possible.(Those are me)Hoping to get them low since they're all low-tier, but some might be advanced due to their very nature...Even if we can't get genetic engineering wholesale, we might be able to get a significant headstart for when we do start researching it by getting the basics.
>>31569622We take over an urban world, loot the credits, give half to Mol.
>>31569633I corrected myself.Though A.I. actually cost less bandwith than V.I. due to the lack of needing bandwith for computing.V.I. need bandwith for Computing and for ActionsA.I. need bandwith for Actions
>>31569590Flesh is inherently more complex than metal. Until we have nanotechnology on the same level, flesh is the most complex thing we have to work with. Period.
>>31569570We don't need werewolf! that's just fantasy talk. we should be making 40k like Space Marines!
>>31569590Because there's no guarantee we'll get it from that planet.If nothing else, I want a price estimate on the technologies. If it turns out to be too much (we're swimming in cash, remember?) still, we can simply turn it down.
>>31569698Why have something complex and flesh when the task you want it for can be accomplished better and more simply by metal?
>>31569698>complexity>gooddurability. power.the form of matter most useful for replicating itself gradually is highly unlikely to be the same form of matter most optimized for our purposes.
>>31569718My bad, i thought you wanted to research it. I fully support buy them if they're not too expensive.
>>31569570>Credits(c): 4,172,000how much does Mol charge for Human Cyborgs/Android bodies?or>Encryption Matrix: Development of advanced cyber-security algorithms to help with both defensive and offensive hacking attempts.
>>31569731We can't make an android with the self-repair capabilities as flesh and blood, can we?
>>31569710I like 40k but seeing how we will be able to give all are fleshie troops power armor their is no point but about making werewolves in power armor
>>315697821028 bit encryption.
>>31569784self-repair is not required on the field.biological regeneration is too slow. the very laws of thermodynamics limit it.better to have units easily replaceable and repairable by external means, than purely reliant on slow self-driven healing.
>>31569570I like both of these >>31569782Though we do have our own supply of human "cyborgs" at the moment.
>>31569782What we put out as far as cybershit is probably better than anything they can manufacture simply due to our nature.also i doubt he sells humancyborgs, that's stupid
>>31569784We can repair Androids faster than organics and regrow
>>31569825Not necessarily. Self repair is very impressive. With pain being easily ignored via a few instincts, and the ability to take a blow to something VERY vital (and still live, with enhanced healing), we can make something alot more lethal than just a robot, which must have everything pre-programmed and may ignore otherwise vital details.
>>31569863I meant the... research subject?Not buying bodies from him. buying data on them.
>>31569660We could make an AI that loves dull boring work. An AI equivalent of a pencil pushing office worker.
>>31569782Why would we want to buy Human Cyborgs?
>>31569790ok then, we'll make Space Wolfs kind of Space Marines then. best of both right?
>>31569880Something we can change, plus Organics are autonomous.
>>31569881Pre-programming is probably pretty easy if you are an A.I. and that's assuming they don't just ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL.
>>31569881It's not impressive. It's SLOW.You cannot have Wolverine speed regeneration, which is what it takes to overcome simple machine repairs' efficiency, because it defies conservation of matter and energy.
To pass the time, will give summary of what the different technologies suggested will give us:Chemistry improves everything related to chemistry, including gas refining, gas usage, plastic explosives, acids, and just about anything you can think of that's related to the manipulation of matter.May also allow us to improve our alloys as we gain advanced understanding of them and are capable of combining knowledge from multiple fields of science in ways that nothing with a mortal lifespan has been capable of doing before.Explosives Research improves just about all explosives, whether missiles, anti-tank shells, exploding ammunition, breaching charges or C4-like compounds.Advanced Gathering Drones helps our mineral production. Not all that valuable yet since our bottleneck is gas, but good to get an estimate on anyway.Miniaturized power cells have already been mentioned - it allows us to create smaller bots and droids, as described in >>31569330Improved Gas Refining gives us more gas from our refineries.Genetic Engineer allows us to upend all of humanity as immortality, supermen and reduction of human flaws inherited from caveman-age (such as arguing to win rather than to reach the truth, being fooled by logical fallacies, having an appendix, not having super-regeneration, depression, having bones that can break from something as minor as kicks and bullets).It upends everything about what it means to be human and may pave the way towards making humans and AI more alike as the processing speed of humans approaches that of computers.We also gain increased understanding of how the human body works and may potentially lead to being able to upload minds into computers.
>>31569881> pre-programmedno it doesn't, it'll be controlled by our CAC A.I. who is mroe observant than any oraganic.and Metal reduces the amount of vital spots on the unit. Organics still lose power to a limb if you cut the tendons like an Android does.All Organic does is add unnecessary organs for self sustainment through consumption, which we do not need on our combat models.
>>31569946This is all speculation and none of it has been confirmed by the QM so it means nothing.
>>31569951How many AI will it take to control some 40k different robots at once in a planet takeover?
>>31569901The Capital Letters were a hint.>>31569883from the wiki:>Human Cyborg/Android bodies: Further cybernetic knowledge, possible, fusing man and machine. Allows more efficient android use and creation.
>>31569910We JUST created an A.I. for this.>>31569969One with enough Bandwith.
>>31569968Hate to bring up the 1d4chan page, but yes it has been discussed and confirmed.Only the things specifically denoted as insecure are speculation (the mind-uploading, for example, has not been discussed).
>>31569969not that guy but we just crated cephalon or whatever his name is for exactly this purpose.Adding in an element that our Command A.I. cannot Command is just stupid.
>>31568115> You can see his fingers have an odd texture to them as well, though you can't quite put your mind to it.UGEI Augmented human.......or an AI, with a hologram pretending to be an augmented human?>a mask under the mask
>>31569999by the QM?I am doubtful of anything that cesspool of namefags is actively involved in.
>>31569969ONE.throw bandwidth at the problem. not individuals.
>>31569983>>31569986>>31570004I'll defer to what seems to be the general consensus on this topic, though I still hold that Genetic engineering to create a self-sustained ground force would be interesting.
>>31570017no, by your mother.OF COURSE he meant the QM!
>>31570035They have a tendency to insert shit that they think should be and call it canon.I'm gonna require a link to Progam confirming it simply due to the amount of shit purely decided by the namefags over there.I consider the entire 1d4chan page L&M by fluff.
>>31569946>Improved Gas Refining gives us more gas from our refineries.I can't find this on the wiki at all.Nor on the discussion page, or the discussion archive page.
>>31569622Mol replies to your suggestion"Access to basic level networks? Sure, I could get you that." He explains away simply. "It's not exactly difficult, seeing as they blast the stuff through all UGEI approved transmitters. I can get you something like that for a small fee...">Basic communications access, learn of propaganda, and general populace comms>250,000c>>31569664"On par with the UGEI? Heh, you know, they are the ones I'm stealing a lot of this tech from, don't you?" He questions, curiously raising a brow...you think."That did not answer my question." You state simply."I could bring you up to some of the best weapon or defense tech I got for a limited time offer of 1 billion credits per tech, if you think you can afford it." He grins almost maliciously. "Of course, I am not responsible if the UGEI have something they researched that is better." He chuckles, providing a disclaimer."Anything cheaper?" you state firmly, unamused."Well, your tech isn't exactly on a bad foot, if a little outdated Ophion." He informs you, frowning a little in thought. "I could provide a boost to one of your military techs for around...oh I don't know...25 million, or so." He waves his hand, as if estimating.>boost to next tech tier for one tech>25 million credits>Large boost to all>1 billion+You next inquire about mining tech."Now that I have in spades. You'd be surprised how popular that sort of thing is out here on the fringe." He chuckles.>Improved Gas Refinery>15 million credits>Deep Shaft Surface Mining>35 million credits>>31569678"Genetics, huh?" He asks, puzzled. "Well, there's not so many scientists like that around, but I'll see what I can turn up...>Chemistry I>1 million credits>Genetic Engineering I>5 million credits>Explosives I>3 million credits>>31569782>Human Cyborgs & Android Bodies>5 million credits>Encryption Matrix>No price, requires research by you to use properly.
>>31570091>>31570065my point exactly
>>31570004Why is he in a human sized drone by the way? I thought we were putting him in something a bit more like this.>>31570007Or an AI in a flesh suit like the one we used
>>31569946I can confirm this is correct(eventually) as a good summary of what a lot of it does or will do.>>31570035Easy now, no need to be rude. I am happy to answer all questions.>>31570091That was actually a new one that someone just now suggested.I am taking it into consideration.>>31570101I should admit, these are largely estimations.
>>31570065Don't forget subroutine.
>>31570065the 1d4chan page shows who posts what and by whom. I had added only a little to that page compared to others. please do not associate me with QTG.and damn we are speeding this thread to the bottom quick, we might have to have another thread soon.
>>31570101By chemistry, nothing else
>>31570065Are we really going to throw down right here, right now?Save it for after the thread, at least?
>>31570091Huh, can't find it either. Do remember it being discussed, though, so it should be in the archives somewhere around the research discussion...>>31570101Communications access:GET!Then use extranet access there to read ALL THE THINGS!>Chemistry I>1 million creditsI think we should call him up on bullshitting us. Basic knowledge of chemistry takes a few textbooks.Haggle time!
>>31569946We are not going into debt to Mol on a payment plan. Not giving away what our current cash reserves are.we only have 4mill.It's chemistry i, or nothing.
>>31570101That shit's expensive.Buy Chemistry, it's the only thing semireasonably priced
>>31570147>please do not associate me with QTG.What the hell does qtg have to do with the 1d4chan page?
>>31570182Nah, not necessarily basics, it provides a small boost to all gas incomes, as well as a number of other minor effects that add up as a whole.It also opens the door to future gas improvement technology.
>>31570101>>250,000cis that network access for a small fee PER CYCLE?
>>31570189>>31570196Being ripped a new one detected. Haggle!
>>31570212Nah. It's for a UGEI civilian networking device.
>>31570198the phrase "L&M" is a joke a bout /qtg/, which deals in Lies and Misinformation as its stock and trade.
>>31570147>implying you're better than /qtg/At least they have the common sense not to try and force their OCs into the quest.
>>31570212Echoing this, I'm gonna say get access if it's permanent (or until they kick us out), but don't get it if that is per cycle.>>31570196I agree with this too. Chemistry time!
>>31570232He hasn't tried that for a good ten or even twenty threads, though.
>>31570226Couldn't we buy that from a liscensed dealer?Or from someone in the UFW?Or should our research facility have one?OR really any of the former UGEI places we have.
>>31570101Gotta get that chemistry son.
>>31570264>buy a UGEI licensed device>from the UFW
>>31570101Hypothetically speaking, what are higher levels of comms you can provide, and what are their prices?
>>31570232And I would never do what they did to Mr. Bones. >>31570101I say buy basic access to the communications network and chemistry then.
Rolled 69>>31570101time to roll to haggle then.
>>31570288Those were seperate.And the UFW should have a few lying around.
>>31570264>any of the former UGEIan uninhabited gas refinery.and a purged research station.really.you think you'll find an iPad in there somewhere?
>>31570101Basic communications access and Chemistry 1
>>31570101Voting for Chemistry and Explosives after some haggling.We're about to increase our income to over 5 million per turn, after all.
>>31570264>Licensed DealerAny of the ones in the UGEI that got caught would likely be put in political prison. Most aren't willing to do that, and the communications black out makes it damn hard to search for one crazy enough to do it.>UFWThey don't have access to the UGEI's network. After they split, the UGEI did a massive change up of their networks specifically to prevent the UFW from spying.>Research facilitythey cleaned it out pretty hard before you arrived. They cared less about the cyborgs then protecting their network security, if that gives you an idea.Same story with other former UGEI places.>>31570289Higher and higher in the millions.But most likely, they would range from>Military encryption>Top Secret Encryptions>Planetary EncryptionAnd so on.>It appears that Chemistry I and Basic Communications Access are 'buy right now' voted>Buy these two for 1,250,000c?>1 Yes>2 No
>>31570360If you don't mind, could you explain the differences between the encryptions?
>>31570360Also Roll for hagglingGood luck
Rolled 78>>31570360haggle?i mean the answer is yes regardless but Mol doesn't know that.
>>31570360>1 YesAlso, do we have enough lab space for the chemists?Also, we should start construction on one or two new labs
Rolled 2>>31570360I hereby pay fealty to the Dice Godess and pray that she deliver us from low rolls.
Rolled 43>>31570376Military encryption sounds like, we'll eavesdrop on their ships in the middle of battle chatter.Top Secret encryption sounds like access to the war room. plannings before the attacks happen.I have no idea what Planetary Encryption could possibly mean, though.
>>31570376>MilitarySpy on military communications, fleet movement, and officer discussion>Top SecretMysteryyyy Most likely secret projects and shit>PlanetaryAll manner of planet management info, on top of defense listings and such. Also public order too.
>>31570414>>31570432I can't remember.Program0 can you post the dice rolling rules of what counts?is it, first three rolls, and it has to be linked to the post?
>>31570432I'm a winner.First five, right?
>>31570410Chemist specialist? You may be able to fit them if you desired. But things are growing crowded.>>31570475I take the highest of 5 rolls with a 1d100 for normal rolls. Battle rolls are slightly different.
>>31570469Cool, can Mol give estimates on each?
>>31570485The first guy didn't link to the post.
>>31570521Does linking not matter at all then? Just has to be after your post?
>>31570469>All manner of planet management info, on top of defense listings and such. Also public order too.>public order too.I wonder if we'd find them cracking down on the criminal underground of shadowrunners in their dystopia.
>>31570521Well with our ability to build bunkers and the like we can add new labs/add on to the place since our people "are" working there.Of course there is a section of that area that is largely "unused" except for storage of a certain prisoner, human cyborg storage, and general holding facility. Thankfully no one has asked "Whats behind the big door we aren't allowed to go in"
>>31570551Well, I'd prefer if they were linked. But I'm not really a rules nazi about things.>>31570432>96Not bad.>Writing
>>31570521we'll just have to expand the lab complex or build a new one. we have space to do so.
>>31570596Yeah.We need a clean-room quarantine section for "V.I. managed projects only" where we can safely study the Fungal Matter anyway.
>>31570644I'm sure Metis would love having their own lab which just so happens to also connect to the area that is locked off...and has the Human cyborgs in it...
what are the limits on hacking, again?can we hack without having our own black box in the system, is it less effective if we do it via a Broadband Transceiver proxy (which might be cloaked)?
Fuckin' Chrome, crashing on me..."While that is good to know." You insist after finishing questioning him, trying not to let on that your pockets are not quite as deep as you once thought they were. "I believe I will be satisfied with simply Chemistry and Basic UGEI intelligence.""Aw that's all? You're breaking my heart here." He chuckles in that throaty voice of his. "And here I thought you were going to be a big spender after all this time apart from me." He offers. You say nothing.>Tech Acquired:>Chemistry I: Tampering with glass vials and chemicals of all sorts, you learn to break down and reform various things in ways you could not before. May allow various enhancements, from new exotic explosives, to enhanced mine refinement, to various other things.>Basic UGEI transmissions: You may now request basic information about the UGEI's network, and you will learn what most basic citizens would know.Price Paid: 950,000c (Mol is impressed at your shrewd businessmanship.Would you like to say/do anything else with the man before you?
>>31570769Be seeing you.
>>31570769It's been a pleasure doing business with you. Hopefully, once our deal is flowing, I will have more business to do with you.
>>31570769A thought just occurred to me. I should separate the research list into 'sections' shouldn't I?Might help make it look nicer.
>>31570769"Perhaps later. But for now, this will do."I say we check out the UGEI internets now.
>>31570769Explosives Research as well since even with the high price it only costs a small part of our income next turn and the sooner we can begin equipping ourselves with better weapons, the better.
>>31570838I just want to know exactly what the news propagandad is saying the Ishtooy did to Gaia IV, how many died, how many evacuated, and how many came back now and infrastructure status.
>>31570855no, we can focus our efforts elsewhere.taking over UGEI worlds will net us technology.
>>31570818 might need to start a new thread soon Program0
hello page 10 my old friend
>>31570838You do a quick browse of the new access to information you have and you learn a few things. Most notably, your guild has been used as a scapegoat throughout the entire fringe, it seems. They blame your raids on the suffering the people must endure, and that you and the Malorians are the source of all warfare in the system since the 'mighty UGEI' beat back the Losirians. Your networks also tell you that many citizens on more heavily populated worlds have curt-views as well as being searched randomly depending on their occupation (most ship captains are regularly inspected in case they deliver any tech outside, or bombs inside). Customs is a nightmare for any human hoping to go from one planet to the other as they primarily search any who travel frequently in the fringe. These harsh measures are defended with propaganda that states they do it "For their own safety" and they've stopped x number of terrorist attacks since they started. Whether or not this is true, you are not sure. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You bid farewell to your black market associate, before you turn your attention to some of the ideas that had been brewing in the back of your mind for future ship and weapon designs...>While people are here, I shall do a quick approval of what has been suggested in the wiki. Approve them, or don't, or suggest changes to approve.>5. 5-AChassis type: Tank, with treads (they can easily move on any terrain the only problem is noise.)Size: MediumWeapons: Shoulder mounted laser cannons, Eye lasers, acid launcher, and arm mounted Mass DriversDefenses: Best at timeEquipment: Able to set up hacking relay, able to erect an energy shield to protect others.(Cont)
>>31571166Blacksmith-Class Repair ShipRole: On Location Large repair shipShip Type: Carrier ClassWeapons: Only cutting and welding lasers and plasma torches, could be Jerry-rigged.Engine: Stellar Drive (or a better class by the time this ship is made)Hull: StandardPoint Defense: StandardShields: StandardNotes: Dedicated to repair on the moveProspector-Class Factory ShipRole: Mobile Mining, Processing and Smelting ShipShip Type: Carrier ClassWeapons: Only mining lasers. Not intended for offensive use, could be jerry-rigged.Engine: Stellar Drive (or a better class by the time this ship is made)Hull: StandardPoint Defense: StandardShields: StandardBandwidth: None.Notes: Mobile mining shipRoad Forger class shipRole: Stable warp lane creatorShip type: Light Cruiser chassisWeapons: NoneEngine: best available.Hull: StandardPoint defense: StandardShields: SpecialBandwidth: unknownNote: Meant to create new starlanesIf this gets low on page 10, I shall make a new one, assuming you're all with me.
>>31571166>They blame your raids onyour raids for?
>>31571185please start a new thread. this might take a while.
>>31571166so is canceling mineral selling official? >>31568578does Consciousness even need a formal vote for it?
>>31571214Rather, they blame Malorian raids on YOU and them.>>31571217I shall prepare to do so and post it in my twitter.Someone keep an eye on how low we are.>>31571234Nah I figure it's minor enough to approve. After all, 100,000 is near nothing for you anymore, correct?
>>31571166Those seem fine, though I question the utility of Road Forger.
I'm running through a field of snow. My siblings surround me. We are a huddled mass of movement.Crack, piff. Shooting. A tendril reaches from the sky. It turns my head, my arms, my body, and my legs to face the shooter. Then it moves on to my siblings.My instincts take over. I was born with them. My weapon is aimed at a group exactly like my own. I fire at my siblings. Crack, crack, crack. Two fall.The tendril reaches down, and knocks me over, chest into the snow. I follow my instincts. Crack, crack, crack.One crack wasn't mine.And there I feel it. The tendril reaches down, and jerks my head back. It tells me I've been shot. I lay down on the ground, 'dead'.In the sky, where the tendril is, I hear a voice announce my death, and praise me for my aim.I'm so happy to be dead like this.
>>31571166>>31571185I approve them all.
>>31571185>>31571166i Approve them all
>>31571166>>315711854 approves. That's enough for me.These shall be moved after thread has ended.For now...How many are game for another hour or so?
>>31571399i am.Gaia must be ours.
>>31571399>>31571441here, was responding to the storyposter.Going to bed for now, unfortunately.
>>31571329I don't know what that is, but I like it anon.You approve. You approve of all of your ideas. Your mind has mulled over some of them for quite some time now, and you've decided. You will put them all in the database.Now, your attention goes to the news you received only moments ago.Two of the Malorian sectors are under attack.>Star 295671>Enamia: One of the first Malorian conquered worlds to date. Large Malorian settlement, major strip mining evident. Moderate mineral clusters. Rich vibrant jungle covers surface.>Star 445901>Iro: Recently Acquired from fights with UGEI, evidence of strip mining. Relatively rich terrestrial world with good mineral content. Large Malorian Settlement. Wild unkempt jungle spreads across surface.Chances are, the UGEI will conquer this territory next cycle if you do nothing. However, you would need to jump to Gaia in order to reach even one of these stars. Gaia's defenses are weakened, but are not negligible, and you also consider taking Gaia. After all, Jake's Gambit, the sector Gaia is located in, represents an important bottleneck for the sector. It will be difficult to hold, no doubt, if you attempt to do so, but it may be worth it. Alternatively, you may wish to jump straight past it into Malorian territory to assist them. while this makes retreat...messy, it may improve your relationship with the aliens, something you have been hoping to do for some time now.What is your decision, Consciousness?>1 Assist Malorians, bypass Gaia >2 Take Gaia, and hold it>3 Assist Malorians AFTER we take Gaia