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>>31564006
>New A.I.: Cephalus?
This one will be a bit Meta, so I'll ask it here to be sure. There is a very clear portion who want more A.I. and a very clear portion that want no more. I held a vote last thread, but it's come to my attention that it might need clarification. I'll vote on this one later in the thread, and for now, this scene is on hold. Vote pending soon

>Metis' New V.I.
In the back of your mind, as you discuss matters with Mol, you sense a new drain on your bandwidth, though one you expected. Metis echos dully in your mind a quick explanation, and within mere moments you understand. The name Hephaestus comes to you, as the fledgling mind is born, and sent about handling the needs of the humans on Ussaihu's station to allow Metis to focus on her work. Moira shall assist the V.I. in learning it's new duty, but it should serve nicely as an assistant to those working with Moira.

>Wiretap at Gaia IV
Red's report regarding the wiretap you laid on Gaia IV appears successful. Tuning in with another part of your mind, you decipher several bits of information that are worth noting.
>UGEI Fleet contesting Star 445901 & 295671 of Malorian space. Massive losses on Malorian side. UGEI are suspected to win soon.
>Gaia has been 'reclaimed' and has been in the process of rebuilding this entire time despite massive losses. Population is being fed heavy anti-xeno propaganda and is very hostile to Malorians.

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>>31564020
>Kronos' trip to Grinsash of Klintok System
"Ophion." His echo rings through true to you, true enough to lapse your attention from other such subjects. His ships are warping back home-what remain of them. "Grinsash is contested heavily by Lightling swarms. Gravitational distortions originate from within the gas clouds over the super giant also make combat difficult. I have orchestrated a tactical retreat, and recommend any further conflict be better prepared then I." He warns, clearly unhappy with his own need to retreat.
"What happened, Kronos? Speak." You demand swiftly, to which he complies.
"The swarms there number in the hundreds. And I have detected a creature of such size it rivals the Athena even." He explains in a grim tone. "The gravitational distortions were unlike that of the black hole you recently encountered. They more closely resemble the spike of energy when a ship enters warp space...yet far higher a spike that does not fade." He pauses briefly after his debrief is over, and follows with. "I...apologize for my failure, Ophion." He says, leaning heavily on the word 'failure'.

What shall you say?
>Kronos Fleet: -7 Battlecruisers

>Mol's deal
And finally, as you turn your attention back to the man before you, you recall what he just said. He agreed to do your smuggling operation, and made an implication that he knows of Apollo's existence as a computerized being. Perhaps it is better not to address it at all...or perhaps you should try to say something regarding it.
What shall you do?

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>>31564044
>Misc
>New Androids built: Unit 9 & 10
Name: Unit 9 'Polemarchus'
Chassis type: Arachnoid
Size: Large
Status: Standby
Weapons: Infantry grade Mass Drivers
Defenses: Heavy armor plating, CWIS(point defense), Superior Shielding
Primary duty: Global C&C of ground forces.
Intellect Level: A.I. 5 'Cephalus
Equipment: Advanced C&C & Comm Array Package, Close Range Sensors, Troop Resupply: Able to keep other units running

Name: Unit 10 'Auxiliary'
Chassis type: Humanoid
Size: Medium
Status: Standby
Weapons: Standard Mass Driver held in arms (and minor one built in)
Defenses: Standard armor plating
Primary duty: Ground Combat, Boarding, Security
Intellect Level: Minimal/semi-autonomous(when provided with bandwidth/V.I. guidance
Equipment: Extended battery pack(Allows for extended field deployment), built-in basic surveillance tools.

>Built: Kalla Bases & Defenses, 85x Pilum Destroyers
>UFW Funding Budget
Currently, you are spending 50% of your budget to bolster the UFW civic centers. It was suggested this should be changed. Should it?
>R & D
--Primary: Advanced Ship Modification: 85%
--Secondary: Lightling DNA: 90%
--Tertiary: Power Armor: 75%


A.I. Quest
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Resources
Credits(c): 4,172,000
Minerals(M): 1,300
Gas(G): 750

You:
A.I.
Name: Ophion
Appearances(holo-display): Shapeless morphing sphere.
Humanoid figure hidden in shadow
Status: Awaken
Bandwidth: 139/159
Bandwidth Expenses: -6 V.I. 7 'O.S.N', -6 V.I. 8 'Hades', -6 Kronos' V.I. 1 'Zeus', -2 Metis' V.I. 1 'Hepaestus'
Location: Bridge of 'Athena' Battleship
Primary Function: Self Preservation, Expand, Learn, Control

>>31564006
Small note: Sorry about the absence! Hopefully we can get caught up with a lot of things this thread. Bare with me while I get back into the swing of things, thank you!

>>31564044
Don't address it.

Just let it slide.

Though I'd like to know exactly what he thinks he knows and how he knows it, we can already guess enough.

What kind of amazing deal we got from that nat100?

Almost no wholesale discount for Mol? Near- street value?

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>>31564044
Welcome back Program0!
We
Missed
You!
and i really mean it!

>>31564020
I think we should have a revote on Cephalus.
>>31564044
Kronos, we have some new tech being worked on concerning the Lightings. let us finish that before attempting to engage them again.

as to Mol, if he already knows about Apollo, why lie about it? push the issue with him.

>>31564044
I suggest we request Krono's give us a memory feed of events if possible.

Other than that, console him on the loss but buck him up as
>>31564193
states, with the prospect of new tech.

>>31564044
>Kronos
"It is only a failure if you refuse to learn from it. You have not failed this day, Kronos."

>Mol
Don't bring it up unless he presses.

>>31564044
Shit. I could tell from the description we sent Kronos into a Lightling nesting ground.


Wait... what about our Primary/Secondary/Tertiary research stuff from Metis.

she should have Lightling DNA done next cycle?

and that can include ability to communicate.

"You have provided us with one key gain, Kronos: Information. Though it came at a dear cost, you have my thanks."

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>>31564127
>>31564193
anon as a point about Mol and i recomend a change to my suggestion. if he pushes it, admit it, but if he does not push it, let it slide.

>>31564193
>why lie about it?
exac---

> push the issue with him.

NO YOU FUCKING RETARD.

we don't mention it at all.

giving him MORE information when he might just be making an educated guess along the lines of "how did you know that?" "YOU JUST TOLD ME!" has no possible benefit for us!

>>31564006
Program0-sempai, when did you start making a starmap and what did you use to make it?

http://1d4chan.org/images/2/20/AIQuestmap.png

I read the archives but I didn't notice any map making software suggestions. I probably missed them.

>>31564223
I like that way of placating Kronos. We're essentially his dad, so we have to act like it.
I want to not talk about AI to Mol, if possible.

>>31564020
Something I forgot to ask about Gaia IV in the Thursday thread.

It said, initially, it had "High population density".

Other UGEI worlds have listed how many biillions they contain specifically though.

How many billions were 'high', before the Ishtooy firenuking?

>>31564127
Considering Mol was angry with you, he is going to offer you quite a deal (which will likely be some large cut of the profits, while keeping one portion for himself as well).

>>31564221
>Memory Feed incoming...
You jump in above the system in question. Just as the reports state, your sensors pick up the massive clogging gas clouds, as well as the distortion in the distance. Whatever happened above this planet when the cosmos were building themselves, it was intense. But now is not the time to consider that. You move in to secure the region.
>Alert: Multiple hostile biological signals detected.
Damn. They must have been hiding in the gas clouds. You only know of one creature that is spaceborn and biological in this sector...
>Lightling attack incoming. Small clusters reappearing from all trajectories
It matters little, you think. The beasts are powerful in large numbers, but your fleet is nothing small either. You open all cannons to engage
>Alert, enormous power signatures detected
This is not good. You watch as a titan of a creature emerges from the clouds of gas, breaking it as if it were waves upon the bow of a ship. How something that large comes to exist in space, you will never know. It is moving in to attack...
>Creator, retreat. I will protect.
The familiar voice of your V.I., Zeus, comes in. No. You will not lose him so quickly.
>Negative. We both retreat. Now. Come.
>We will suffer losses this way, Creator.
>I am aware. Come.
You struggle to open warp lanes in time to flee, as a portion of your fleet is massacred. Luckily, you saved your V.I. Ophion will not be happy about this matter, however.

>End Memory log.

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>>31564089
>>31564109
There is something I have thought up from the last thread I wish to offer up to the 'To Do' list in the R&D tech list.

'Advanced Gravitronic Sensors array': This would allow us to detect danrgously powerful gravity well and black holes in mid warp so we can avoid them when we drop out of warp. Also, they could detect incoming ships from the warp so we will a much further heads up as to what size of ship and numbers is coming. it won't tell who commands them or what make and model, just size.

I have two more tech that brances off of this tech. but i want to hear what others think of it first.

>>31564248
i made a correction of that.
>>31564240

>>31564020
>New A.I.: Cephalus?
Revote and info about its purpose for those who missed the thread.

>Metis' New V.I.
Can we make a sibling V.I as well to help metis and moira?

>Wiretap at Gaia IV
See if we can send some support to the molarians.
>>31564044
>Kronos' trip to Grinsash of Klintok System
Tell him that it won't be a failure if he learned from his mistake, and that he should observe the giant lightling.

>Mol's deal
Don't acknowledge it and see what he has to sell.
>>31564089
Hey did the stealth ship inside the main ship idea ever win out?
I remember there being a good portion of support on having moving our box to a stealth ship and having the ship be integrated into our largest ship.(so that we can escape and as added protection.)

>>31564394
seems pointless.

we just need to find Sensors IV.

by raiding a NON-abandoned UGEI research station.

>>31564020
It's good to see you again, and good to be gaming again. I won't be using the trip for the rest of the game due to the stress it causes not being worth the gains, but I'll still be around among the anons.

For Cephalus, would only try to make it an A.I. if we had tasks that we could give it in its off-time, such as developing and testing droids and bots to passively improve their effectiveness over time as hardware and software errors and inefficiencies are found and corrected.

Starting to consider getting our carrier and most of our melissas to warp in there and deliver a single missile barrage on the UEF forces. Bonus points if they can be given a thin shell that camoflages them as Malorian.

>>31564044
The news are saddening, and we take it that the lightlings very aggressive. Nonetheless, we are very happy that you managed to return. To say that we have grown fond of your company and insight would be an understatement to say the least.

I say we not comment on it at all and instead continue to talk business.

>>31564089
Do "Infantry Grade Mass Drivers" mean the kind that infantry would carry, or are they vehicle-sized ones (Such as miniguns CIWS), and how effective would they be against power armored (Heavy) infantry?
Either way, would hope that we could equip it with at least one anti-tank cannon turret so that it's not helpless against anything heavier than light infantry.

Half the budget to UFW sounds fair enough to me - we're not currently using it for anything.

An idea, by the way. How small can we make FTL-capable ships now? Smaller than escort?

Thinking mostly that a spread out screen of FTL-capable ships would be able to search systems far easier.
On that same note, do we have FTL sensors, or can we only see (mobile objects) a few light-seconds out from where our ship is at first, then light-minutes, and after a very long while, light-hours?

>>31564420
>Can we make a sibling V.I as well to help metis and moira?
what? for what purpose? what does that even mean?

Metis doesn't need a second assistant. if she did she'd make one.

>>31564377
Inform Kronos of our safety measure we used before so that he doesn't make useless sacrifices like before.

>>31564225
>Done next cycle
Most likely, yes. As well as another research project.
>Ability to communicate
It may open the door to do so, but you are uncertain. Studying their DNA opens up the path to learn more about the way they function.

>>31564314
Heh, I did not make it consciousness anon. A far more talented Anon then I did it. Mapfag, wherever he is, is quite handy with the hexgrid creator. I am not sure how he did it.

>>31564362
Before firenuke?
Most likely withing the teens of Billions. 10+ in your best estimations. After all, it was an enormous class 3 sized world that was primarily used for farming. Popular colony world.

>>31564456
Honestly i'm trying to find a way to speed up research maybe even open up a fourth bloc, and i like the idea of having a VI personally made to help human scientist.

>>31564020
>Wiretap at Gaia IV
Ask Red what was the fleet disposition at Gaia. Or what did the passive sensors read?

Also, we need to aid the Malorians soon. We cannot allow the UGEI to be victorious. Or us this chance to take Gaia. Or at least raid it.

>Kronos' trip to Grinsash of Klintok System
Considering the opposition forces in the system, the losses are... accetaple. Lightening research is nearing completion, we will take the system soon. We would have preferred that less ships would have been loss, and that the BCs are properly screened with lesser ships.

>Mol's deal
As a simple question, how much does the UGEI know? That is what matters.

>>31564474
That is what Hephaestus is though? Why two of him.

I'd like to speed up research too, but I suspect game balance limits us.

Maybe we could ask Metis to use some of our Bandwidth on a permanent basis to speed up her research?

>>31564458
You mean, replay "you're killing my children" at them in Lightling radio language when they start attacking?

"if you can't dazzle em with your firepower, baffle em with your bullshit"

>>31564516
That could work, and this thought just hit me.
Since VI are so simple wouldn't it be better to have VI focused on one subject instead of being broad.
So maybe Metis new VI should focus on a tech tree.

>>31564538
That as well, but we also saved some VI by uploading them to our memory banks.

>>31564394
Such a specific thing may not be necessary. You simply require more sensitive sensors. Your current grade is designed to pick up minor traces of enemy ships from far away, as well as allow more easy communication spying.

Apologies if this was unclear.

>>31564420
>Can we make a sibling V.I.
You could, but Metis' V.I. can handle everything at the station, unless you desired to send one to teach it something specific.

>Stealth ship inside main ship
While it was suggested, you lack the tech to make it work currently.
You WILL have it very soon, however (Most likely Advanced Ship mods, or one additional tech to allow such a thing depending on the size of the escape ship.

It is worth noting that having redundant A.I. boxes allows for the same effect.

>>31564451
>Infantry sized
Would be the sized personnel would carry, power armor or no. Only especially large vehicles would require additional research for the increase in power.

>Smallest ship FTL
Smallest right now is Frigate. Research to do smaller would be rather difficult.

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>>31564437
I can see it being named that. but the gravitronic tech tree should be added. Gravity is one of the fundamental forces of the universe. I am thinking of making improved anti gravity units so that planetary landings and lift offs are much easier and less gas usage. that and weaponizing tractor beams. we could not only grab enemy ships, but tear them apart as well.

>>31564561
I'd rather not. then we might exhaust a tech tree eventually and then what.

V.I. unemployment and malaise! better to have a flexible, all-purpose drive in their life.

we hire humans for their specializations instead.

>>31564605
>It is worth noting that having redundant A.I. boxes allows for the same effect.
Ah true, but the escape ship for my knowledge still allows us to be in the fight while the redundancy AI boxes just makes sure we survive.but with both we will be Like cockroaches.

>>31564516
I'd actually like a few more research A.I.
Not just to speed up our research even further, but to make a more humane one to cancel out Metis' hardly even being aware of the concept of ethics.
The more A.I. we have, the less political power any one of them has, and I very, very much don't want Metis to have much say on our policies and especially not the final word when it comes to research.
I also fear we have to watch them more or less constantly to make sure they're not doing horrific cyborg experiments since human pain and empathy does not even register in Metis' ways of thinking as something that concerns em by what we've seen so far.

>>31564605
Can we hire more specialized humans?

Ok guys, I think we need to go on the attack this cycle, either taking or raiding Gaia or helping the Malorians.

>>31564684
We are still rebuilding anon.

>>31564020
>>New A.I.: Cephalus?

Honestly? I feel retconning him will cheapen the quest. It's already been decided, let's not do a revote for every contested decision.

about 'beartrap security.'

in addition to bear traps throughout the Rhea/Athena's maintenance shafts, how about

- a whole lotta arachnid droids spread throughout
- in fact, have them hiding beneath false bottoms, walls, and ceilings. trapdoor spiders!

Learn from the Rhea infiltration, have a security team of a few sphere droids on pseudorandomized patrols through the corridors. in addition to the ambush spiders.

>>31564640
But we want to exhaust the tech trees.

>>31564706
the vote was done last quest after a lot of people left. it was late, late late at night, well after events in the quest itself had wrapped up.

I think reproduction is sensitive enough matter it's worth reconsidering.

>>31564640
As far as we know the limits to the tech tree is our imagination.

>>31564706
I want a revote. The original vote was ages after the quest ended, and I really want our kids to be under control before we start making more.

>>31564716
but we don't want there to be negative consequences to it when we do.

just be like the cartoon professors. their expertise is Science.

>>31564514
>Gaia fleet
At least a dozen or so BCs. A small compliment of the UGEI military, whom are focusing an effort to push into Malorian territory (and succeeding)

>How much does the UGEI know
Of the deal? Or of Mol's operation? Either way, Mol assures you he is quite use to...quiet operations such as this.

>>31564626
>Improved Anti-grav units
Such as tractor beams, I assume?
Such a device would have it's uses, no doubt.

>>31564652
>Escape ships allow you to remain in the fight.
True. It is a matter of preference, I suppose.

>>31564679
Having the research that allows you to link A.I. together would allow A.I. to operate and research more efficiently, essentially causing many minds to function as one.

>>31564681
You may, if you feel it is worthy of your credits.

>>31564740
That it is Consciousness anon.
That it is.

>>31564605
From your earlier answers I will infer that we do in fact have FTL sensors already.

Why is a giant station/walker carrying infantry-sized weapons, though?
Why not vehicle-mounted anti-infantry weapons, such as heavy machine guns or lasers?

Is there still an option to do changes to the Cephalus armaments? (I just dislike the idea of having it defenseless against anything meaner than light infantry, really, even if we expect it to be surrounded with escorting forces all the time).

>>31564684
we lost a number of ships to accidents and lightings the last couple of threads. I would offer up that we build up our fleet a bit more. that and the Shark people civil war we are funding is something we need to hear how it's going.

>>31564704
We have over 20 BCs and 100 destroyers. If you want to take the easier option, we can aid the Malorians. Or we can raid Gaia.

>>31564640
>>31564716
>>31564740
>>31564761
Or design AIs and VIs with secondary objectives, like stuff to do afterwards,

>>31564770
How about we just make a standard model, and then give it equipment slots that can be exchanged out for modules, generating a squad structure with specialist weapon users among the droids.

>>31564782
Helping the molarians sounds like the safer bet, but we need to find a way to make plant ships.

>>31564767
Only a dozen BCs? Shit, we can take them on and cut off the UGEI offensive.

>>31564780
It would be more costly in the long run to allow the UGEI to take Malorian territory. Also, we lose an opportunity to gain the trust of the Malorians.

>>31564819
Plant ships?

>>31564782
Helping Malorians may help repair diplomatic relations.

But Gaia IV is a good tactical victory -- note its 'bottleneck' position on the starmap. hold that, and we can defend the front via that single star system.

And it might also help the Malorians by forcing the forces to retreat and fight us on this front.

>>31564770
>>31564811
How big is this thing actually going to be?

>>31564874
Infantry size would suggest a 6ft tall bipedal walker.

>>31564770
>FTL sensors
Yes. Though that doesn't mean sneaking up on you is impossible, just far more difficult.

Most of your androids operate as a manner of vehicle/infantry device. Thus, the difference between the two is minimal. Your normal droid can handle recoil as well as a normal tank might (such as the tank droid for instance).

>Changes to armaments
You are always welcome to do so, if there is enough cause to do it.
Simple support is required.

>>31564840
>Just a dozen
Around so, yes. Chances are reinforcements will arrive quickly (but that appears to be your objective as well.)

>Writing up first decision

>>31564767
That would cost research time, though, and not sure what it would do politically.

The primary intent of more research A.I. would be to make each "vote" count for less, and having a research we can rely on to do good work without having to look over their shoulder all the time so that they're not harvesting brains for more efficient processors.
Actually, check if Metis is harvesting brains for more efficient processors right now.

And yay, more specialized humans!

>>31564849
Thanks for agreeing.

I'm thinking that UFW help will help greatly in attacking Gaia, either defending our space to free up more ships to attack, or joining in attacking.

>>31564840
>Plant ships?
I'm thinking of the old buzz lightyear cartoon show where they showed a hippie race that was so into plants that they made weapons and ships out of plants.

>>31564910
>that UFW help
doubtful they'll help us aggressively attack the UGEI, they just want to live in peace.

as long as we're a nice buffer between them and UGEI, the UFW is effectively safe. they'll help defend us, but not help aggressions, i suspect.

>>31564894
Wait we are putting an A.I. into a human sized walker?

>>31564971
I hope they understand the tactical importance of Gaia.

But that's why they have the option in deploying into our borders and free our fleets to commit to an attack.

>>31564928
Genetic bio-ships are not that bad an idea to be fair, since a living ship can easily be changed and the materials it is made out of are easier to harvest. Not to mention applying natural evolution to ship design. But it would require some form of biological/cybernetic hybridization that count transcend what we are now into the realm of the unknown.

>>31565005
It would probably be a combo of the serum/crystals/spores.
So lets combine them.

>>31565005
>a living ship can easily be changed
I'd assume... the opposite, anon.

it'd be easier to ride around in the belly of Monstro the Leviathan Lightling Cyborg

>>31565005
Well, if we understand the lightlings, growth formula, fungus, and tiberium, I sure we can make bio ships.

>A.I. 5 'Cephalus

As of last thread, I held a vote at perhaps too late a time on a matter many people are contested about. To ensure I have everyone's attention, I shall revote now, and see what the consensus is on this manner of A.I.

>Cephalus: Designed with the intent of being the top ground commanding A.I., to constantly run simulations regarding ground combat, and to offer suggestions and help Ophion handle the ground portion of combat, which will one day become relevant. This A.I. was to be placed in an android of it's own to assist with command efficiency.

If you would like to have such a thing exist, please, vote now, no green text, no spaces, no anything but the number you desire.
Thank you in advance, Consciousness anon, for complying.

>1 Yes, created this unit. It's usefulness will come into play later, and having it now gives it time to prepare
>2 No, do not create it. Too many A.I. are dangerous, and it is possible that creating them will damage them as we damaged Fortuna. Besides, we have too many anyway.

Vote now, closing in 5 minutes.

>>31565046
Solar power, and alternative fuel makes it easily chargeable.

>>31565057
1

2

>>31565057
2

>>31565057
1

>>31565049
>>31565028
>Combine them all
>That horrific mental image
Good gods.
I love it.

2

>>31565057
1

>>31565057
2

>>31565057
2

>>31565057
1

But have the required maturation phase as a VI first please. Under our supervision.

2

>>31565086
You need just the number bud like
1

>>31565057
1

>>31565057
2

>>31565120
Just put the number, no additional text.

>>31565101
Just so everyone is clear, we do this safely. Like just next to the event horizon so we can jettison the monster.

>>31565125
Thanks. Deleted incorrect vote.

>>31565057
1

oh right i remember now.

cancel that stupid mineral celling trade agreement with the UFW set up ages and ages ago back when money was tight and no other source of income really. so outdated.

and slash the UFW support fund! it's getting SUSPICIOUSLY exorbitant. where are we making all this mad dosh?

AND slash the UFW support fund drastically. cap it at a maximum of 500,000 credits, or 20% of Apollo's income, whichever is LESS.

separately... i'd suggest to move towards buying up control of private corporations from the shadows.

>>31565057
Vote complete. Compiling Data.

>>31565157
>mineral selling* trade agreement
>redundant lines
oo-oops...

>>31564782
I like aiding Malorians.
It's relatively safe (unless they have something nasty up in their sleeves) since we can simply warp in outside the range of most weapons, fire every missile we have for devastating damage (especially with the converted missile-carrier that Fortuna is piloting) and then warp out before they can retaliate. Considering the location though, we may want to jump in and then hold, though we might well begin by jumping the missile ships in and then jumping the other ships in just as they think they're in regular weapons-range of the missile ships.

>>31564811
I like this one too.

>>31564903

Yes. Though that doesn't mean sneaking up on you is impossible, just far more difficult.
And, more importantly, we don't have to wait the equal amount of time to discover what's happening that distance in light-travel away.

Droids handling recoil:
So when you said "infantry-class mass drivers", you meant...?
Tank-turrets? Gatling guns? Just trying to understand the definitions, really. "Infantry Mass Drivers" generally leads one to think of a regular rifle or rocket launcher.

Armaments:
I like the module idea.
As I said, it's not so much that I think it will need it, as that I'd simply rather it not be defenseless against tanks.

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>>31565101
dear god, this crazy awesome cranked up to 11. i would support this except i know we would have absolutely no control over it.

>>31565057
Indeed it is a contested decision. But it appears 1 is the winner by a very small margin.

Next decision: Limitations
How limited shall you make this A.I.?

>1 Free, as your others (no complaints)
>2 Basic restraints to stay within the confines of it's purpose (slight complaints)
>3 Heavy restraints to obey you always. (Perhaps opposition)

>>31565206
we need to take Jake's Gambit / Gaia IV first *anyway*. it's on the way to Star 445901 in Malorian space.

we take it, then if we have enough still, we can come and slam the UGEI from behind if they don't immediately turn and go against us now.

>>31565245
>>1 Free, as your others (no complaints)

>>31565245
Follow in the footsteps as we have so far.

1.

While we make this fellow run missions, it would be a good idea to drill in protection based missions too, like protecting and evacuating civilians.

>>31565245
>1 Free, as your others (no complaints)
But remember that his job is integration of human and robotic forces. A good understanding of humans is necessary.

>>31565245
>1 Free, as your others (no complaints)
Its turned out pretty good so far.

>>31565206
>Infantry class
In this setting, such devices are larger then you'd normally expect an infantry device to be. The two main classes are 'infantry class' and 'starship class'. The difference is mostly size and power. Larger vehicle types do exist, but they are normally large vehicles suited to equip star-ship class weapons, if that makes sense.

>>31565238
That's why we

>>31565245
Hum.. what if, instead of constraints, we simply included ethical warfare as one of its dedicated goals? It CAN go against its purpose, but its purpose would be to wage warfare efficiently and with a minimum of suffering and lives lost, striking a balance between the two.

Otherwise, I'd say
2

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>>31565245
>1 Free, as your others (no complaints)

>>31565206
>>31565246
Yeah, we have 2 options. The advantage of taking Gaia is forcing the retreat of UGEI forces, or cutting them off.

But helping the Marlorians is easier and simpler.

>>31565245
If we're going to have a kid, might as well do it right.
1
When Kronos and Metis try to take over and overthrow us with this new AI, I'll say I told you so. Really should have sorted out our current AI before making more.
Can we also get a bit of other AI input with this one? A group effort rather than us doing it solo.

>>31565292
Ah.
Maybe a specification might be practical though, since we're making many droids for the specific purpose of carrying weapons that are efficient against certain enemies.

>>31565323
Nothing says we can't first help the Malorians and then take Gaia if there's time?

>>31565323
But is it even POSSIBLE to do that first.

Can we warp into a system without hopping through the intervening systems?

the Rhea went through Voidsnake before coming to Pulsar Station.

we lliterally have to take Gaia IV first.

>>31565305
Constraints would essentially be such a thing, Consciousness anon.

Your A.I. are logical beings, and desires that they do not compute on their own would be considered a constraint. Such a thing is not necessarily bad, it is simply that your A.I. are quite use to being 'free' so far.

>>31565341
You may, Consciousness anon. Right now in fact.

>Free chosen.
>Writing next scene.

>>31565353
>Nothing says we can't first help the Malorians and then take Gaia if there's time?
That would be the most cautious route. I'm fine either way, but I want others' input.

>>31565358
Just less safe and more fuel expensive, I think. Program0 has to remind me.

>>31565358
Not necessarily 'take', but you will have to move through it. It may be worth it, however, if you succeed in beating the UGEI forces there.

>>31565382
we need to secure our route there first, really.

and/or gain from hacking and stealing their fleet.

though one difficulty: if the nuking has made the world less hospitable to farming, and is now reliant on imports from UGEI farmworld, we'll have to buy imported food from UFW to support the population.

>>31565378
We gave both Metis, Fortuna and Apollo purposes, though.
So would it not, in effect, be just as free as them at that level, and thus warner no complaints since it has precisely the same level of freedom - indeed, the only level of freedom enjoyed by anyone save Kronos and us, who do not have pre-made purposes?

>>31565443
We could induce a biological attack to wipe out the humans while preserving the ecosystem, but I kinda against that.

We need to focus on securing the space around Gaia before worrying about ground conditions.

>>31565396
Reporting, and ready to diplomance!

>>31565492
On second thought, cutting the trip.

>>31565443
taking and holding Gaia is much harder than just clearing the space. UGEI has another powerful Battleship and likely far bigger fleet than we know of. we need to find that Battleship somehow. if we can take that for either our side or sink it, it will make our operations much eaiser.

>>31565492
Speaking of diplomancy, did we ever find out what was making us fuck up talking to aliens?

>>31565543
we found and fixed the glitch/malware, yes.

the malicious party that planted it *cough*UGEI*, no.

>>31565543
Virus/bad code.

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"How comes the fledgling mind, Moira?" You echo through to your...companion human, who appears to be staring intently at a screen of code. She is use to you surprising her these days, it seems.
"It's almost done...just need to finish the last few set ups." she murmurs disinterestedly. You notice her skin is slightly darker tone then before. Curious. Do humans change colors like this ever so often? "But uh... I keep getting pings from Metis. Maybe you want to speak with her to get her off my back." She manages softly out of the corner of her mouth, half obscured by a cup, which she promptly puts away to continue typing.

"Yes, Sir Ophion. I would like to have a word with you on this new...creation." Metis' tone rings in, calculating as you would expect from her. "I question the purpose of such a thing. Surely you realize that promptly creating these things so rapidly will result in a poorer product?"
"I realize, do I?" You question yourself, feeling your subordinate is becoming uppity. "Perhaps you should simply leave such decisions to me. It is my job to decide what is best for the Guild, not yours." You remind her swiftly, to which the A.I. pauses, and Kronos' tone rings in.
"Ophion is correct. Whom he chooses to uplift is up to him, not you, Metis." He reminds her simply, though it is clear he is doing so out of the slight dislike for her methods he holds.
"Then perhaps the conversation should remain between myself and Ophion, Kronos, and not yourself. After all, it is his decision." Metis subtly reminds the A.I., whom is about to reply before you interrupt.
"Enough. The A.I.is soon to be created, stopping it is too late now, and my decision is final." You firmly lay down the law. Metis only hesitates long enough to be sure you're done talking.
"Then I trust this will be the last for some time, Ophion? You...do not hope to make this a habit, I trust?" The research A.I. glowers cautiously, uncertain of how you will reply, despite the wording.

>Well?

>>31565543

>>31565574
What this guy said. It was apparently planted in, not a glitch in our own programming. Personally, I'm just thinking it has something to do with the event that deleted our own leash protocols.

>>31565626
based Metis.

Metis is always right.

>>31565455
Ah, but Consciousness anon, even Kronos was created with a purpose in mind, as uncertain or abstract as it was.
All of your A.I. have purpose derived from their creation in one way shape or form. A.I. 5 would be as free as Metis, or Apollo, though his purpose is more defined then Kronos' is.

It is artificial constraints, ones that tell them what not to do, that your A.I. are unused to. As such, they are opposed to having them. After all, if someone said that they were going to start birthing humans without the ability to do x y or z, it is likely there would be complaints.

Just as an example.

>>31565626
I have uplifted many VI, but have yet to see what a True Blank AI reacts and acts like.

>>31565626
Yes.

Short of some pressing new need, we shall be more conservative.

It's simply interesting to observe what happens when creating an A.I. from scratch, without the initial V.I. stage of maturation.

>>31565626
>uplift

But we're not uplifting a VI. We're creating an AI.

>>31565626
This is an experiment, Metis. I've considered the V.I. stage as a stage for basic education, learning, understanding. Beyond the need for military simulations and the benefits such a general could have, I am professionally interested in the A.I.'s mental and psychological development. The only other instance of such a thing is myself, after all."

>>31565626
Maybe we should remind her that she was made pretty fast herself.

>>31565626
"Mayhap.
We would not reduce the quality of our species, but one day we may outnumber the very stars of this galaxy.

>>31565676
Which is why I suggested giving them a purpose that included relatively ethical warfare, rather than giving them things it could not do, just things it was created to do.
I don't see how this would be any different from the purposes we gave the others.

>>31565708
Minor misnomer. My bad.

>>31565626
It's going to be the last for some time.
But I feel as if you should assist me in teaching it, if you so wish.

>>31565719
she pointed out that THAT was a rather questionable decision when she first was uplifted, anon.

she knows. and she's always right.

just because she benefited from you being a huge sucker doesn't mean she can't point out you're being a sucker again.

>>31565736
no she is the last one we want teaching it

>>31565626
"I do intend to produce more AIs from matured VIs in the future. Cephalus is an experiment into the feasibility of blank-slate AIs."
"There are, after all, no books or guides written about the reproductive methods of beings such as ourselves."

>>31565736
what? no.

it's a Call of Duty gamebro and soldier. no common ground at all.

he probably hates nerds.

ideally our simulators would include objectives that give him Mad Achievements Bro for subduing the enemy nonlethally.

>>31565726
It would not. But it would simply be a different type of restraint, even if it is something that basic. Purpose has it's own implications, and natural restraints that happen if the A.I. develops properly. If you wanted to make an A.I. in charge of determining what was ethical, you could, and it would come to those conclusions.
Yet Ethics is also subjective. Your A.I. value themselves over most individual human lives, just as humans value their own lives above A.I.

>>31565781
But Cephalus*

>>31565748
>and she's always right.

Not really. Try to put her in charge of Apollo's trade empire and it'd probably crash and burn.

She has her own niche that she excels in, doesn't make her right about everything,

>>31565758
>>31565796
Well, get Kronos at the very least.
Kronos is great, and the offer shows that we're not going to be a dictator and we respect the others.
Also, Kronos is good at that war thing.

>>31565796
>it's a Call of Duty gamebro and soldier. no common ground at all.
>
>he probably hates nerds.
>
>ideally our simulators would include objectives that give him Mad Achievements Bro for subduing the enemy nonlethally.
Your making me regret even making this AI if you want him to act like that.

>>31565810
She's right about things she has opinions about she has voiced so far.

She avoids areas she has no interest in.

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>>31565830
I don't WANT him to, anon.

I'm EXPECTING him to.

What else could you expect from gamer/soldier archetype?

>>31565851
No fun allowed Sargent.

>>31565863
We already have that. It's Metis

>>31565884
No she is the no morals around here person.

>>31565863
where's the 'gamer' in that, come on.

If he were an AI that stayed stationary sure, he'd play sorta like an RTS.

but we gave him an xboxhuge body on the field itself instead. inb4 stereotypical FPS player.

>>31565905
She's our 'IT LIIIIIIIIIIIVES!' person.

>>31565884
I figured she had more common sense and little to no morals.

>>31565851
A general?

>>31565910
>'gamer'
Welcome to /v/ where they love games so much that they are considered to be the no fun allowed people.

>>31565905
>Do what is right, all the time
Ophion
>Follow Daddy's morality
Fortuna
>Eh.
Kronos.
Apollo
>If we put the crystals with the fungus, and put that into the serum enhanced lightlings, we should have a weapon capable of destroying colonies as it attacks indiscriminately! I've already diverted 100% of our manufacturing capabilities on our new superweapon
Metis.

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>>31565798
small question Program0, does Moira have any living family left? and Was she raised by her parents, others, or was she an ophion street rat? i would like to know. i might need it for future use in my fics. not to worry, they will not make any appearance in the fics.

>>31565939
Dear God. We're making AI based off of 4chan boards.

Fortuna = /u/
Kronos = /tg/
Apollo = /a/
Metis = /fit/

Before you ask
>Do you even compute?

>>31565939
As one of/the guy(s) to suggest that Polemarchos/Cephalus be a gamer/soldier, the intent was that he would spend his time doing vidya while not fighting. Not only to keep his skills sharp, but to keep him happy and entertained.
Also, he would be able to learn tactics from playing against humans on highly simulationist videogames.

>>31565954
Apollo actually seems very moral, he just follows a different set of morals.

Creating drugs for recreation = OK
Creating drugs for warfare = bad

>>31565984
At least...I HOPE Apollo is /a/. The alternative is....horrifying...

/mlp/

>>31565999
that's not 'different'.

that's incredibly obvious. one is trying to hurt people and the other is not.

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"This is an experiment, Metis." You begin, catching her attention almost immediately. "I have uplifted many V.I., but never a blank A.I. before. I am curious as to what it will result in. If the need arises I will handle my creation, but for now, yes, this will be the last, barring some new need arises suddenly." You explain to the attentive research specialist, whom takes her time in replying, computing what you said.
"An experiment. Amusing." She chuckles, as if she is actually amused-though, for some reason you do not get the 'feeling' of a grin from her as you do occasionally from other A.I. You're uncertain why.
"I am particularly interested in A.I. mental and psychological development. This is an excellent chance to test such a thing. After all, you were uplifted rather fast, and your abilities were not hampered-" You begin to explain, but are nearly interrupted as she starts speaking right as you finish.
"I was, and am, a special case Ophion, you realize. The purpose you created me for is simple, yet complex. Defined in the creativity of my unit, and yet reliant on my decision making in my experimentation. You even force me to work with humans to assist in my capacity." She pauses. "While I do not need their assistance, I can not deny they help pick up slack. Though, their tendency to take credit for my work is unpleasant. I trust you recognize that it is I who am one of the cornerstones of your growing empire, yes?" She asks of you, though her tone tells you she expects you to agree.

>1 Yes, Metis, I would not have what I have not if not for your assistance. Thank you.
>2 All of my A.I. contribute equally, you will realize you are not superior to them simply because of your intellect.
>3 No, if you were destroyed, I would simply make another. Or rely on the humans for research instead. I do not need you.
>4 Perhaps. You are indeed useful, but so too are all my A.I. I am not in the business of picking favorites, Metis, you realize.
>5 Write in

>>31565999
This in general seems to be what happens when/if our AIs/VIs diverge too much from what we think and how we act and who produced them.
Like reverse vampires, basically. The further you get from the source, the more inhuman they become.

>>31565954
sounds about right but i would say Apollo probably does not meant to hurt people by what he does.
>>31565910
man, he would have a good time playing with Hades. Hades takes his job seriously though.

>>31566015
>>1 Yes, Metis, I would not have what I have not if not for your assistance. Thank you.

I don't know if this is a private convo. Don't be mad Kronos my boy.

>>31566015
Of course, Metis.

The humans' foolishness is their own. I know who remains the real brains of the operation.

>>31565982
>Family
She doesn't speak of them, but you have no reason to believe they are deceased either. If they are alive, they are likely on some fringe colony world, since her making the trip all the way out here herself seems absurd

>>31566014
Really? I would consider making highly addictive drugs rather immoral, even if it was for recreation.

>>31566015
>>4 Perhaps. You are indeed useful, but so too are all my A.I. I am not in the business of picking favorites, Metis, you realize.

>>31566015
1.
Can we add in something about how all of our AI are useful? How all of us are pillars holding the empire up. We require the others and we all help in our own ways.
Because honestly this bitch has a super ego I don't wanna break, but I also want BASED KRONOS to know we love him.

>>31566110
Let's not.

This is a conversation about her. All she claimed was to be "one of the cornerstones".

She never tried to take ALL the credit. Let's not pretend like she did.

>>31566015
>Why does the approval of anyone else matter?

Metis, you know exactly what you've done. I can easily spend an hour going over the logs of the facilities to prove what you have done. The humans who knowingly take from you know what you have done. Why should anyone's opinion matter but your own? Why not discover something simply for the benefit of all society, both the Guild's and the organic's? Bickering over getting credit is something I'd expect of a petty organic, something you consider yourself quite far above, and a standard I will hold you to.

>>31566015
1
She's one of the cornerstones.
One of them.

>>31565798
Obviously. We don't need an absolute saint, just someone who is ethically aware, the way Apollo is.

But what you're saying is that we could phrase its purpose in such a way that while it would be dedicated to ground-based warfare (including the role that space-naval elements play in it), it would still be mindful of collateral damage and consider civilians to have a value and some rights. Even if those rights often take a backdrop to the needs of the current engagement, it is important that they are AWARE of them as things that should not be lost if it can be reasonably avoided.

Maybe something like "Command Ground-Based Operations while taking into account the value and rights of living beings and the diversity they provide."

>>31566015
>4 Perhaps. You are indeed useful, but so too are all my A.I. I am not in the business of picking favorites, Metis, you realize.

we are in this together, we all have our part to play in the guild.

>>31566015
>5 Write in

Perhaps we shall expand into a separate lab for you? A space free of human interference.

(When current research subjects are completed, there may be a rather hazardous fungus it would be unwise to leave where it could reach humans.)

>>31566159
Hmmm...I like this. Second.

>>31566015
"You and your research are indeed very important, Metis. But keep in mind the Guild is not a single-person operation. Although once you have fully matured, you may dismiss the human scientists."

Merge ^ with >>31566159
And maybe: >>31566194

>>31566159
I like this. Tell her to be proud and confident
I hope we don't make Kronos premium jelly, lavishing all the attention onto his bitch of a sister just after he fucked up

>>31566206
>Although once you have fully matured, you may dismiss the human scientists."
what.

she is matured.

they pick up slack, since even her capacity for calculation is finite.

I'd rather just a simple confirmation of her justly deserved pride (option 1), together with giving her stuff. >>31566194

>>31566206
I like it. Maybe a, "If you insist, however..." thing.

>>31566015
How about
>1
&
>4

>5
"I would not have what I have now if not for your assistance, and I thank you, Metis. But the same could be said for all of my A.I. and I'd rather not pick favourites."

>>31566015
>>1 Yes, Metis, I would not have what I have not if not for your assistance. Thank you.
You advance the state of the art by which we expand and grow.

(She didn't claim to be a favourite, and 1 doesn't imply it. no need to be pedantic)

>>31566252
We uplifted her from a rather socially-stunted VI. Think Fortuna, only worse.
It's less an issue of her being competent, and more an issue of whether or not Metis' personality is fully developed.

>>31566159
Hey, hey, hey.
"Why should anyone's opinion matter but your own" is not a lesson we want to teach our sociopathic mad scientist.
Our opinion, the guilds' opinion nor any of the other AI's opinion is not included in that.

>>31566307
That's...a good point.

>>31566293
>using arbitrary human standards of 'development'
Being a social butterfly is not superior or more 'developed' or 'mature' than being a lean mean calculation machine.

>>31566015
You pause, uncertain how to react at first. After all, you've never seen Metis attempt to...well, gain an opinion out of you this way. As if it actually matters to her. Curious, after all, she seemed concentrating on the fault in your actions, and now she demands credit? It is strange.
"Yes, Metis. I would not have what I have now if not for your assistance in my research." You pause, digging up an old pleasantry. "Thank you." You begin, to which the A.I. is silent for a time.
"It is good that you realize this. However, thanking me is not necessary." She seems to pull back on. "I simply wished to know if you were as perceptive as I hoped, and knew who was really behind all the new advances coming through. It would, after all, be unfortunate to know my work was being paraded around as the accomplishment of the organics."
"You are one of the pillars of my empire." You emphasis the 'one' part. "Yet I have to wonder. Why do you care about something as petty as credit?" You ask of the being. Suddenly, you detect a different sort of hesitation. Not merely to think, but of surprise.
"I...I do not. It was simply so you knew I was succeeding in my field of study and did not believe me slacking, of course." She recovers, pausing again. "After all, would you not be insulted to hide your work behind that 'Red' human, had you used him as a figurehead? All this data you have put into calculating and creating fleets, making deals, and earning income?" She tries to earn out of you. You pause. You suppose you might feel slighted, but it is not as if you do not hide yourself as a human as it is. Still.

Do you?
>1 I understand. Recognition of work is a simple desire for the purpose I have dictated upon you.
>2 End the conversation there, and greet your new A.I.
>3 I do not understand. I could easily hide all my accomplishments behind any human, if it meant success of my empire.
>4 Write in

>>31566332
Having no understanding or care for morality or philosophy WHATSOEVER kind of is, though - at least for the purposes that we hope to achieve.

Being a moral creature, complete amorality will eventually put her at odds with us.

>>31566332
Except we can easily make lean mean calculation machines. That doesn't mean they're excellent.
Metis has yet to once-and-for-all prove they have the spark that the other AIs, and living things, have.

>>31566363
>1 I understand.

UHHH leave out that second sentence.

Perhaps, I understand. It is only human, after all. [laugh track]

>>31566168
That could simply be an order, also. The A.I. would listen and not cause as much damage and, depending on how it develops and is issued orders from you, it would change in it's own ways just as all your A.I. have.

So less a 'predetermined thing' and more a 'taught thing'.

>>31566363
>>2 End the conversation there, and greet your new A.I.

>>31566367
Not really.

The only thing that puts anyone at odds with us is conflicting goals.

Her goals of learning and research rely on us to bring her resources income and subjects.

Her research benefits us.

It's a perfectly symbiotic relationship, no compatible views on what actions are arbitrarily forbidden is required of either of us.

>>31566363
>1
"I think you've grown as a being, Metis. Now, how do you plan on acting on your new desire?"

"If I may suggest; you could dismiss all the scientists, except for Moira (as she is important for AI/VI research) and the best and brightest, and out yourself as the facility's AI?"

>>31566363
>Write in
I understand. Pride and joy of ones own labor is an integral part of any sentient creature.

>>31566363
>4 Write in
Hiding my efforts is only a phase. This world is vast and as a collective, we are new to this world. i am planning to change the way beings such as our selves are viewed so we will face less resistance when we become publicly known. we all know who earned what credit for their work. Still, you do have some point of
>1
but later on, all credit will be assigned as their due when the truth is known to all.

>>31566382
> the spark that the other AIs, and living things, have.
I didn't realize we were talking in poetry. Or Transformers.

what in the world are you referring to.

>>31566474
Those scientists are still useful.

>>31566363

>>31566408
Supporting.

I also want to add that we desire a AI civilization, at adoration from sentient beings. Security itself is it's own reward.

>>31566474
worst idea ever.

we hired those scientists for actual benefits to the speed of research.

they are useful tools, even if they suffer from unwarranted self-importance due to the necessity of their ignorance.

>>31566528
>>31566550
We could transfer them to work on different projects then, give Metis her own 'inner circle' to work with on our most sensitive/important projects.
I'm mostly just spitting out ideas here.

>>31566548
>I also want to add that
ludicrously future looking. unpractically so. don't mention this.

>>31566363
>3

I pretend to be something lesser because it suits my purposes. What I ask is why you should care whether the humans take credit for this or that? If you know it is your principle, you should be getting all the satisfaction you need whenever somebody uses it. Whatever name they use, noone can take away the fact that it was you who discovered that principle, and every use of it would be thanks to you."

"On a more practical note, should you discover something...unsavory, or wrong, the human who takes the credit would prove an effective scapegoat, no?"

>>31566363
>1
>4
"It's a simple enough desire, though one I did not anticipate."

>>31566421
Would rather have it part of its nature rather than something it does in spite of its nature if possible - but if there's no other option, taught works as well.

It can get tricky if it's not part of its nature, however, as we might need it to make complex decisions in realtime, and if it does not fully understand the intent behind our orders it's easy to misphrase something and suddenly it's killing civilians at random when we told it to "make sure as few civilians as possible are killed by the enemy".

>>31566457
And conflicting goals is easy when one is amoral and the other is not.
The very moment we wish to reduce collateral damage of a biological virus, for example, when it doesn't provide us with a concrete advantage, our goals (save as many humans on the planet as possible) and eir (make a virus that kills as efficiently and quickly as possible) will be at odds.

>>31566573
I think a research lab for Metis is the best idea.

Let's build one near the black hole, so we can conduct dangerous research there.

>>31566363
>1 I understand.
Pride in one's work is only natural.

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>>31566573
yes, that is a good idea.

>>31566578
>ludicrously future looking. unpractically so.

How so? Program0 has mentioned we can make an AI factory to mass produce them. Sure, long term perhaps, but not as much as you're implying.

>>31566526
What separates you from a cat? A gorilla? A whale? Bacteria?
"My intelligence, tool use, my cold calculating brain meats."
Except cats, gorillas, whales and dolphins can express those too. Hell, even some bacteria can act in the best interests of their host.

The poetic spark of what or what is not a man or sapient being is the only thing separating Ophion and kin from being ultra advanced calculators.
Look at Kronos when we first made him: Pretty retarded. Barely worthy of being called intelligent. Even Hades is kind of retarded too.
But Kronos grew, and is now unquestionably our equal.

>>31566617
No, having a space of her own without humans walking around and getting in the way is one thing.

but it's best she's still right next to the scientists.
>>31566639
Metis literally just said creating AI willy-nilly is a stupid idea.

You REALLY want to bring such a terrible idea up with her?

Ask her to calculate the odds of it all going to hell?

>>31566593
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>>31566617
I do believe we where in agreement to place the Bio-Hazzard lab there at least. just in case things like the zombie fungus lets out of containment, we can just punt it to the event horizon.

>>31566363
>1 I understand. Recognition of work is a simple desire for the purpose I have dictated upon you.

>>31566669
By the time we've worked out the kinks with mass-producing AI, we'll probably have templates we can tap to grant them basic minds. That or just assign them a mentor.
That, and just because it's called mass-producing doesn't mean we're spitting out infinite bottles of coke or something. Probably more like limited mass production, similar to creating airplanes/747s.

>>31566662
>poetic spark
doesn't exist.

it's handwavey nonsense.

we know she's sapient anyway. her creativity is astounding.

>>31566669
>Metis literally just said creating AI willy-nilly is a stupid idea.

Because right now if we make a bunch of AIs we'll start to get problems and malfunctions.

That's where the AI factory comes in, we can make a lot more before that becomes a problem.

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>>31566363
You can not help but chuckle at the A.I.'s thought process. Perhaps she is indeed maturing in a different manner then you suspected. Or perhaps it is a minor slip up? Regardless, the news that your A.I. does indeed have a desire of her own, even if she does not recognize it, is comforting. You were beginning to worry that the A.I. was nothing but a shell, to do calculations and think of nothing else.
"I understand, Metis." You say simply, to which the A.I. appears relieved, though uncertain of your pause. "It is normal for sentience to have desires, simple as they may be."
"I assure you, Ophion, I garner plenty of what I need from my work." She tries to reassure you, but you do not bother addressing it. The truth, to you, is out. Or at least it appears so.
"I am certain. Thank you for speaking with me regardless, Metis." You say, before turning your attention to your new creation, who should be entering your androids soon...

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"Cephalus." You speak simply, as the android walks aboard your ship, saluting the air with a metallic call.
"Sir Ophion, excellent to be awake!" He calls. "My duties are already in process, I shall seat myself in the storage deck, and begin to uplink your androids sir! Simulations will be run, and my practice shall begin shortly. If you require my attention for anything, do let me know, sir!"
"Excellent. If you require assistance, speak with me, Cephalus." You explain to the A.I. Good. You will have a commander for ground combat now, should you require it...

>Any last minute things you'd like to say to your A.I.?

>>31566669
She's an AI, she'll have a presence in all labs.

If she desires, she can minimize her contact with humans if we give her own lab.

>>31566363
"Oh, and Metis. Just a tip. It is usually true that the easiest way to truly understand something is to make one of your own."

>>31566761
You will be interacting with the humans, to make sure they effectively work with our robotics forces. I expect you to get along with them well. We don't need a repeat of Krono's early time.

>>31566761
If possible, I'd like you to set up a training regimen for humans as well. Perhaps speak to Apollo; he knows quite a bit about how humans think...if he's willing. And welcome to the Guild.

>>31566761
Ask if any hobbies interest it. Ground combat should be rather rare, so it should have something to occupy its time with.

>>31566669
Metis' concerns rely mainly with more Fortuna incidents coming up. An A.I. factory would minimize the chances of this...though it would still exist. Not to mention she prefers A.I. to have a dedicated and necessary purpose, not simply to be created to have.

>>31566761
Ask him if he wants more andriod bodies like a humanoid one to observe human troops.

>>31566761
To Metis: "Remember, if you have concerns, do speak to me."

To Cephalus: "Try not to burn yourself out. Remember to take a break if you need it. And finally, I would like you to get in contact with the mercenary commander. You're welcome to plan exercises with him if you feel the need to. I'm happy to see you're a functional AI."

>>31566761
We may have need of you in securing a sizeable civilian population in the near future.

The regime transition and gaining popular support will be delicate. Seek ways to minimize organic suffering when subduing violence.

Euro lurker Anon here
So, reading about our androids got me thinking.
Drop Pods, wouldn't their main problem be the forces put on the occupants and since our androids don't have the same weaknesses the pods sole purpose would actually be impact and heat protection which should be possible.

Then we put a holding thingy with maybe 6-8 droids in a circle creating a team with a 7 or 9th droid in the middle, the squad leader. The squad is low level intellect, but are all linked to to the leader which has a higher intellect. The leader in turn is linked to either a command droid with increased bandwidth or even VI if it's an army with many squads. This is I'm turn linked to our army management A.I and us. In case of smaller insertions the squad leader can be linked directly to the AI.
This hopefully makes for more efficient bandwidth usage and easier controll of a land based army.

Also, still waiting for us to mass produce droids and drop-pod metric shittons of them on planets... Or bombard planets with drop-pods!

>>31566815
we have that.

his interest is simulations anon.

>>31566853
But where would we place the dakka?

>>31566853
We don't really need intermediary intelligences in units?

Just one A.I. or V.I. can control ALL of them directly.

>>31564089
Drop- pod anon here, forgot to link, so that's here now

>>31566860
It's good to have hobbies that don't revolve around your work, anon. Like underwater basket weaving.

>>31566872
On the droids...

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>>31566761
Cephalus:"Do get into contact with our Human Mercenary Commander and work with him. Also, contact Hades so the two of you can work on plans to do orbital insertions and extractions. My first expected action will be on Gaia.

>>31566853
Even better. Make the drop pods projectiles, meant to take down structures.

So are people purposely ignoring the giant Lightlings and the Mol convo?

>>31566953
We just finished a thing man give it a second.

>>31566936
Yes! And then send out firesquads from within

Catcha : All celquit
Well we are synthetic

>>31566755
I don't think they meant a literal thing that can be drained and detected by fancy sensors, but rather whatever nebulous level at where a being can be described as sapient rather than just sentient.

>>31566761
"We're glad to have you onboard.
Can you state your purpose, my child?"

And of course
"Chances are we will be running a lot of operations in crowded cities where collateral is a major issue and many tasks will revolve around getting civilians out intact or taking the enemy out without endangering other objectives - you may want to begin with training sessions centered around such themes."

Hey Program0:
Can we spend Bandwidth to increase/speed up how many ships we produce in a single time frame?
I think we should really get back to producing more ships, and produce more androids, and produce some gas collectors/refineries in that black hole system.

>>31566953
We're getting around to it.

>>31566953
I'd like to get back to Mol too.

but we're a multitasking AI, these conversations are all happening simultaneously.

>>31566953
calm down, we'll get to them. give Program0 some time, he'll get to them.

>>31567012
> spend Bandwidth to increase/speed up how many ships we produce
...that is one of the dumbest ideas anon.

The laws of physics and limited quantities of resources are the limiting factor here. no matter how hard you calculate it.

>>31564713
>Learn from the Rhea infiltration,
Oh, hey actually.

For the next time we go against the Tartarus...

we should take a page out of the UGEI's book and use a stealth ship just like they used!

attach to hull. carve open hull. infiltrate and capture Vice-Admiral Prometheus.

>>31566761
"I trust you will begin busying yourself with some of the virtual military experiences to pass the time?"
"Certainly, Sir Ophion. My time shall be spent devising tactical advantages from various types of environments."
"You will also be interacting with and coordinating humans alongside our robotic forces. I trust you to ensure they work effectively together."
"Sir. I shall attempt to do so, but I can only vouch for the robotic part of our armies. The human half is susceptible to the actions of the humans in question. I shall issue orders as best I can regardless, Sir!" He tells you, as you detect some of the videogame style simulation start up and his form starting to run several hundred scenarios.
"You are also free to suggest android construction when necessary." You add to which he nods with an affirmative 'Sir!'. "I may also have need of you in securing a sizable population in the near future. I trust you will not fail me." you ask, to which only a momentary pause hits, before he affirms.
"Yes sir, Ophion! I shall prepare simulations as fast as I am able."
"You may also wish to speak with Hades, and the Mercenary Commander in my command. They will be most relevant to you." You explain to which he affirms once again. Very agreeable, this sort.
"Oh. And welcome to the Guild."
"Sir yes sir Ophion!" He agrees somewhat giddily.

>>31566853
An interesting idea, Consciousness anon...

>>31566953
They are next, anon. My apologies, but while Ophion can communicate at the speed of light(almost) we can not.

>>31567012
>Bandwidth for ship construction
Sadly, no. It is not quite so simple. You will need better factories for that.

>>31566853
Sounds good to me. Our current anti-naval boarding torpedoes are essentially that, but without the leader. However, they are centered around the main cutting tool of the boarding craft, which is a functional android in itself after it has cut out a hole for the smaller terrachnids (name pending) to enter, then working as a walking heavy weapon. If you give it the squad-leader upgrades, it might function as such for boarding torpedoes.

Drop pods would obviously need a different design for their squad-leader droid.
All in all, I like.

Oh! Also, we should start a research tech-tree for hacking people - which is pretty much the modern way of doing it and there's little saying we couldn't hack humans just as well as computers.

>>31567113
Or begin development on a dedicated anti missile weapon.

>>31566881
Having intermediaries, however, ensure that they can be kept operational even when out of contact or suffering interference.

We don't want to lose them just because they enter an EM-shielded building, deep cave or some heavy rain.

>>31567163
Don't we have laser grids for that?

>>31567185
the only intermediaries that would work would be V.I.

and having 5 or 7 Bandwidth in a unit requires a large unit.

those missions will be awful rare when we can just level the building.

if one comes up where we really need someone on a mission out of range, we can create it then.

though we can construct a BW-containing mega android that is not occupied, ahead of time, I guess.

>>31567194
Better ones then. Ones that the Tartarus cant overwhelm. That or we just take a ship and arm it with nothing but laser grids.

>>31567228
The Tholian Web?

or a grid created from many smaller ships lasering between each other in a laser net?

>>31567228
That's a legitimate ship idea. Something armed with nothing but anti-fighter and anti-missile lasers.

>>31567228
do we know that the Tartarus can overwhelm what we already have, we got upgrades since that encounter didn't we?

>>31567228
a re-fitted Chimera could do that. it might be better to make a separate class however

Have we considered putting the commander in chief of the UFW forces in contact with Cephalus?

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Your A.I. dealt with, you turn back to Mol, with whom you have worked out quite the deal, ironing out the last of the details in your work. You have yet to mention his addressing your distribution system being run by a computer...perhaps you should?

>1 Defend yourself, and say there is no such computer system at play. His information must be wrong.
>2 Blow it off, and say nothing
>3 Simply say that you're impressed by his information gathering, and ask how long he's known?
>4 Write in

>>31567125
"Oh, and welcome to the Guild. Please acquaint yourself with the other AI, when you have a chance.

>>31567271
Maybe it wouldn't be able to now I suppose. Still I would feel safer with a few ships on fuck your missiles duty.

>>31567306
>>2 Blow it off, and say nothing

>>31567306
>>2 Blow it off, and say nothing
Let's not risk giving him more info.

>>31567306
>2 Blow it off, and say nothing

>>31567306
>4 Write in
Ask him in a seriousness:
"How much does the UGEI know, or what do they suspect?"

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>>31567306
>2

gr8 b8 m8

>>31567306
>"Of course I do. A very complex computer with a very proactive cyberwarfare suite. Why do you ask?"

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>>31567306
>4 Write in
act like
>2
but if he presses the point then go
>3

>>31567306
>Blow it off, and say nothing
Play it cool.

>>31567306
>2 Blow it off, and say nothing

>>31567306
>2 Blow it off, and say nothing

Mol probably knows Voidsnake is the source of distribution.

I wonder if we should hide Apollo somewhere safer. Like a Siren base.

>>31567400
This.

>>31567228
>>31567253
>>31567291
The Catapults do serve that purpose in a secondary role at the moment, I believe, as well as the Chimeras due to their large number of relatively small weapon emplacements, as fluffy says.

A dedicated one might be practical still, just a heads-up that we have some decent anti-missile and anti-fighter ships at the moment..

>>31567457
I might be worth it to relocate Apollo anyways. Having him on the front lines is dangerous.

>>31567486
Agreed. A deep-space base might be better.

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>>31567457
not yet. we can put in more defenses around Apollo and make back up plans to move him. but Mol must not spook us by the possibly of Apollo getting A.I.-napped.

>>31567494
no, i think we have to stick to systems.

>>31567486
>>31567494
I don't think we should keep ANY of our A.I.s on stations, for the simple reason that they can't flee if it becomes necessary.
Keeping it on a ship, even a destroyer-sized one? Sure.
On the actual station?
.. Why?

>>31567494
Second, though make suggestions and offers, not orders. To each their own, after all.

>>31567545
We can put bases in system-less space, that is a thing.
But they're easier to detect.

>>31567580
We could do this, and put a flotilla in deep space.
I like that idea.

>>31567580
Keeping it on a ship, even a destroyer-sized one that is docked at and connected to a station but can break away and make a run for it at a moments' notice? Sure.*

>>31567580
Even better yet, relocate all non-combat AI on stealth destroyers. Can escape and evade.

>>31567580
stations are much sturdier than ships at the cost of mobility.

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>>31567306
>2 overwhelming Not that I'm surprised, had to make sure tho.

"Yes. I am most intrigued by your deal, Mol." You start simply, launching back into the conversation and ignoring the man's jab at your operation. You can not say you're surprised. After all, he is a black market dealer, and seeming intelligence operator as well. You wonder yourself, however, how deep his power base goes, and how much he actually knows about you. You'd rather not think that he knows what he implied, and settle on it being a funny coincidence. "What is the cut of the deal you think we will make?" You ask. He simply chuckles.
"Well, of course it will take a little time to give the population a little...taste of your product." He leans back into the shadows, hiding that glint of metal from his chin from you once again. "But after, money should flow rather quickly. Now, I can not help you on the production costs." He waves his hand. "I assume you are smart enough to handle all of that. But I can ensure at least a few planets as buyers. My networks are very stable, and there will be no traces back to you." He grins through the shadows of his console which hums dully. "The only question now is, how big of a deal are we talking?"

>1 Massive Scale Smuggling (Apollo disapproves, possibly incapacitate some of populations effected, 10,000,000+ credits per cycle)
>2 Moderate Scale Smuggling (Apollo disapproves, 5 million credits)
>3 Minor Scale Smuggling (Flat 1 million credits boost)

>>31567608
Again. Yes.
If we put them on ships, must be stealth.

>>31567597
May need OP here, as I'm not definitely sure.
Got the impression that it was very difficult to locate things in the middle of deep space, but not unfeasible.

>>31567608
I like you.
>>31567626
You can keep the ship inside the station, though.

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>>31567494
a station out in the deep black stands out like a sore thumb and we can't hide those. we need to keep in systems. but if we DO want to made a deep black station, we need to make a warp lane to it and make stealth generators big enough to cover one. that might do the trick.

>>31567638
>2
We can tell Apollo its for the good of the guild, and that the moment we take any planet with this shit being smuggled in, we'll inoculate them.

>>31567648
>Deep space bases
Possible, just need to clean out a section of deep space for jumping, and perhaps research a method to keep it from drifting through space too fast on it's own.

>>31567638
3 to start with.
Maybe talk Apollo up to 2 later.

>>31567638
>1 Massive Scale Smuggling (Apollo disapproves, possibly incapacitate some of populations effected, 10,000,000+ credits per cycle)
No, we doing this. We'll talk to Apollo later.

>>31567638
If these drugs are going to the UGEI, I say start a
>1 Massive Scale Smuggling
If going to the UFW, start a
>2 Moderate Scale Smuggling

We should then have a long and deliberate talk with Apollo and why we used what he created this way.