"You think I can just summon a tank out of thin air?" Anzu says, leaning back in the her large presidential chair. Her diminutive size seems to highlight the size of the chair as she spins back and forth idly. "Can't they just use the I-Go?" She says dismissively. "Probably serves them right for being so nosey all the time..." She stops and looks at you.You are Commander Russells of the M26E1 Pershing Heavy Tank "Black Jack" and you're not sure that Anzu, not exactly a tank expert even by Oorai standards, doesn't fully appreciate just how terrible the I-Go is. Miho speaks up. "The I-Go is not suitable as a combat tank- it's gun is underpowered for fighting, it's engine is underpowered for scouting or running." She shakes her head as she addresses the president. "They'd have a tank but, for intents and purposes they would not be participating."Anzu spins around once more before resting her head on her desk. "Ugh... Why did you accept them onto the team then? We don't have any suitable tanks." She looks up, finally finding a scapegoat. "This really is your fault- I can't help you if there's no other tanks to give them." What she doesn't notice is that her Vice President, Yuzu Koyama is glancing back and forth nervously- she's got something to say but she looks unsure.>"Yuzu, is that correct?">"Well of course you don't have any other tanks- You aren't looking!">"Can't you call in a favor with someone?">Other.
>>30577727>"Yuzu, is that correct?"Hate to put her on the spot but eh.
>>30577787
>>30577727>"Can't you call in a favor with someone?"Say, Kay, about a certain balloon incident? If not, we could do another challenge contest.
>>30577727>"Yuzu, is that correct?"
>>30577727>"Well of course you don't have any other tanks- You aren't looking!"We're going to get to this point sooner or later, let's make it sooner so we can ensure that the new addition is combat-ready for the Italians.
>>30577727>"Yuzu, is that correct?"That's just too believable to be funny, BJ.
>>30577727>"Yuzu, is that correct?">"Well of course you don't have any other tanks- You aren't looking!"
>>30577727>"Yuzu, is that correct?"Looks like she's as bad at being discreet as she is at being a gunner.
>>30577727>"Yuzu, is that correct?">"Well of course you don't have any other tanks- You aren't looking!"#YUZU
>>30578661Yuzu's the walking pair of tits.Momo is UTE UTE UTE
>>30578694Momo is pretty stacked herself, though.
>>30578694Yuzu's also the one who does the actual work for the Council.>>30578725true.
>>30578725Yes, but her personality's not so flat that it's her defining feature.
>>30578760she's Anzu's butt monkey and one who does the actual work: paperwork.
>>30578798She's also Momo's Don, if the semi-canon 4komas are any indication.
>>30578823>Don*DomFuck.
>>30578823>>30578843*memories* yeah, that's one way to encourage improvement. If Momo keeps shooting like shit next match, let's threaten her with that, since "she clearly hasn't gotten the message."
You cross your arms and look over at Miho, who crosses her arms before you both start to stare at Yuzu. She immediately starts to sweat and move from one foot to the other like she needed to pee. She's supremely uncomfortable and so, you and your captain stare at her as she becomes more and more uncomfortable. "Um... President, that's not exactly... um... true." She finally manages to spit out, taking the the glare of Anzu over the continued stares of yourself and Miho.Anzu sighs before turning the chair to face her VP. "Why wasn't I informed?" She askes, annoyed that she'd been corrected by her subordinate.Yuzu swallows. "Um... I did- it was in your morning brief last week." She says, cowering beneith Anzu's glare. "There are a number of tanks unaccounted for- a Char B1, a Type-3 Chi-Nu, a GT-""A B1..." Anzu says, steepling her fingers under her chin. "That's a heavy tank, right?" She spins around in her chair as she thinks. "Yuzu, as Vice President you should've done a better job bringing these details to my attention..." She deflects and Yuzu seems to deflate. "We'll look for the Char- we could use more heavy armor on the team!" >"Great- we can use today's practice to take a look around.">"Any idea where it might be stored, Yuzu?">Other.
>>30578949>>"Great- we can use today's practice to take a look around.">>"Any idea where it might be stored, Yuzu?"
>>30578949>"Great- we can use today's practice to take a look around.">"Any idea where it might be stored, Yuzu?">Wait, what was that last one?
>>30578988actually, yeah, toss in this.
>>30578949>Other."What was that last one, Yuzu?"
>>30578999Thought you could slip in a new tank under our noses Blackjack? Nice Try. the B1 is decent, compared to some of the other tanks we have... but that's like comparing shit to manure. Better tanks for our garupans, please-thank-you!
>>30579067The B1 might be mediocre, but is better than I-Go by far.C'mon, lets give the loyal dogs of the school a bone. Let them have the B1 at least.
>>30578949>"Great- we can use today's practice to take a look around.">"Any idea where it might be stored, Yuzu?">Wait, what was that last one?Jesus christ all these early war tanks
>>30579194hey, the more tanks we can get, that's more *men* for the meat-grinder. >>30579223You know what the GT is? Tell us, please!
>>30579067In my experience, manure's less unpleasant than human excrement. Also: >"Any idea where it might be stored, Yuzu?"
>>30579812eh, point still stands: if this GT is better than the B1, lets get it, and the B1.
>>30579236Well, the GT 101 was the prototype turbine engine fitted to the Panther, so maybe get hype?
Just a disclaimer for the record, in case people try to cajole me into revealing plot points because I talk with BJ. Yes, I talk with him, but he don't tell me shit. Yes, it annoys me too.
>>30579978I dunno, man. I don't think we'll be lucky enough to have two weird German prototypes working properly.
>>30580004Porche Tiger wasn't that much of a weird prototype all told - Te Engine and chassis saw extensive service as the Elefant/Ferdinand, and one Up-armoured Tiger (P) saw action as a Command tank for the 653. Schwere Panzerjägerabteilung.
>>30579992That's half the fun.
>>30579978>GT 101hmm... Ok, That would explain why my wiki-fu has turned up nothing. I know we were joking last thread about disguising a stolen Panther as an M10, but if it is a panther, we just might be able to do that! We would need another crew that would be able to handle a finicky prototype, other than Auto club. either recruit OCs, or shuffle crew around to see who's best suited for it. History would fit the bill.
>>30579992He writes the story, he gets to tease us.>>30580061just don't get in the habit of being snarky about it, ok?>>30580037the issues for the Tiger (P) is the engine, followed by the weight. Panther's issues were engine, and suspension. Like I just said, the crew will need to be able to deal with that in combat.
>>30580061youI like you. I'll make a fic about you last. you just read that in arnold's voice
>>30578949i second this>>30578988
"Wait..." You say, glancing at Miho before looking back to Yuzu. "What was that last one?" You've never heard of any tank that started with the designation 'GT'. "GT-what?""GT102-2." She clarifies, shuffling some papers. "It was only a note in one of the files from the old Senshado inventory reports..." She shrugs. "It looked important so I put in the reports."You look over at Miho. She shakes her head. "I don't know either- I'll ask Yukari later." She looks back over at Yuzu. "Kuromuromine had a couple of Pz.B2's that we used as trainers- they can be manned by three people." She nods, half talking to herself. "The 75mm sponson is deadly in-close, as well.""Sounds good... So where do you think it is, Yuzu?" You say smiling brightly to try to encourage the overworked and front-heavy VP.She frowns and looks back between you and her notes. "Report said 'unrecoverable training accident'- They got a insurance pay-off, though." She adds as if it helped anything.>"So they ditched the tank for insurance money?">"Do we know anything about the accident?">Well, we're not going to find it in here.>Other.
>>30580484>>"So they ditched the tank for insurance money?"Mmmmm insurance fraud
>>30580484>>Well, we're not going to find it in here.....and the only GT02-2 i can found is turbine engine made by Germany on ww2. TurboPantnther. BJ? SerB will nerf it bad.
>>30580484>"Do we know anything about the accident?">Call me after you get done with Yukari. If its a Panther, we'll need it.Where, girl, Where?
>>30580484>GT102-2Looks like some sort of Panther derivative...Interesting.>"So they ditched the tank for insurance money?">"Do we know anything about the accident?">Well, we're not going to find it in here.
>>30580484>>"Do we know anything about the accident?"
>>30580587We have an Excelsior, which has a Meteor jet engine, so now we will have a Jet propelled Panther. Am I sensing a theme here?
>>30580618Dude, the meteor isn't a jet, it's just a suped up Merlin.
>>30580674ok, so aircraft rather than jet. Still seeing a pattern here of fast mediums. Tetrarch anyone?
>>30580484>"So they ditched the tank for insurance money?">"Do we know anything about the accident?"
>>30580716The Lee also has an aircraft (Well, radial) engine in it, a Wright 975 Whirlwind.
>>30580824But the Lee is awful.
>>30580847He never said otherwise
>>30580847it's better than the I-Go
>>30580484>"Do we know anything about the accident?">Well, we're not going to find it in here.
>>30580847Honestly, the Lee was great for what it was: A stopgap tank that mounted the M2/3 75mm cannon and could be made in numbers while we got the Sherman ready for production- sure it wasn't a Tiger killer, but when it came into service most of what the German Army had were Pz.III's and snub-nose 'IVs.When it was first introduced it was a huge overmatch for anything Germany had- its 75mm could engage and destroy targets well outside the range of their anti-tank guns. I call it "Not a Cat" syndrome and a lot of Allied tanks like the Sherman, Lee and T-34 suffer from it- they are unable to destroy a Tiger/Panther by themselves therefore they are shit-tier, when in actuality Tigers and Panthers were in most cases incredibly rare.
>>30581071I'll remember that name.
>>30581071Also as long as they could get side shots most 75mm armed tanks could kill Tigers or Panthers. Strong frontal armor only really mattered in the confined or urban battles
>>30581071I read panther is not that rare compared to Tiger and her derivatives.Otherwise, you have good point. M3 Lee was sufficient for its time.
>>30581132that and the other half of the hate comes from WOT. you don' t get the 37mm turret. IRL, you keep the turret looking at the sides and rear, and sidescrape the casemate.
>>30581120>SiedshotsThat's hard when your Main gun is a sponson mount, though.Once the Lee *needed* sideshots to hurt stuff, it was no longer sufficient.
>>30581164>Sidescrape>IRLu WoT m8
>>30581168so in urban battles? Then, yes.>>30581181Sorry, I'm using WOT slang to describe something along those lines. I mean hide the rest of the tank behind cover and expose just the sponson. Only works half the time though.
>>30581164The 37mm gun is the same 37mm that's largely useless on the M2. Believe me- you don't want to be taking that thing up against KV-1S's and M6s.
>>30581242I totally agree. Panzer IV and before, Lee's pretty good. T-34 and after... it's rape time for the general.
>>30581237>so in urban battles? Then, yes.If you think that Urban combat is the only time it's impractical or improbable to get flanking shots against tank, you're a flaming idiot.
>>30581336I get that, there's swamps, mountains, valley's, and terrain like that makes it difficult, but not impossible. Urban is generally where, tank on tank, you have either the front or the back of a tank. What were you thinking of? Tone: civil
>>30581392Go away, Nonna's boyfriend.
Check this outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBI9d0-IfEM
>>30581427I have no idea who you're on about.
>>30581460The music is kind of gay, but the presentation si pretty good
>>30581460I remember that. Great camera work.
>>30581460That Pershing put a second shell down really quick
>>30581460Mmmmm... Delicious 90mm.
>>30581392A mobile, crewed tank will always be trying to present it's strongest face to the enemy.To counteract this, the tank going for a sideshot needs to beA) FasterB) More manoeuvrableC) Have greater numbersAt least one of the above, preferably more.In this case, the only think the Lee has going for it is numbers. It is not particularly faster than it's German Contemporaries, it's Suspension gives it a hilariously higher ground pressure, and having it's main gun in a hull sponson means that it needs to get it's front facing the enemy's side, at a fairly close range, for the shot to be effective. The sheer number of conditions it requires for it to be in it's favour to have a decent shot at cracking a Tiger or Panther is absurd.At the very least the Sherman has somewhat better mobility and, y'know a god-damn turret going for it.A Tank that needs to absorb losses from decoy tanks until it can both get into range and get onto the flank to have a shot at killing it's opponent is fundamentally inadequate.
>>30581559ok, that's logical and reasonable. I was thinking just terrain. You're thinking tactical situation. You are totally right there.
Sentinels stronk~
>>30581559>Suspension gives it a hilariously higher ground pressureTrack width, Track length, and weight of the tank cause ground pressure. Suspension is for making a smooth ride, or allowing the tank to travel across uneven surfaces at higher speeds.When the M3 Lee was introduced it was facing Pz.IVs and IIIs. The 75mm M3 gun was more than adequate.
>>30581724Track width, Track length, and weight of the tank all affect, and are affected by the nature of the tank's suspension system.The Volute Springs on the Lee and VVSS Shermans was one of the big factors requiring such narrow tracks, and by extension, causing such ridiculously high ground pressure.You can't just identify aspects of a complex system like a drivetrain and motive system in a vacuum.>When the M3 Lee was introduced it was facing Pz.IVs and IIIs. The 75mm M3 gun was more than adequate.When the M3 Lee was introduced it was using the M2 75mm gun, which was a bad joke. Even against PzIIIs and IVs.Furthermore, the sponson mounting is frankly crippling to a tank, especially in an era when mobile operations are a matter of course rather than released to Light Tanks.If it was billed as a Tank Destroyer or Assault Gun with a secondary defensive turret, it would get nowhere near the amount of criticism. The operative problem is that it has pretensions of being a proper tank, and is woefully inadequate in that respect.
"What happened to it?" Miho says. "'Unrecoverable...'" She muses. "B2's were made tough- it takes a lot of punishment to keep on down perminantly..." She strokes her chin. "Certainly couldn't have been battle damage- an ammo or fuel fire would've ruined it pretty good but you can still rebuild from the hull..."Yuzu shuffles through some pages before moving over to a desk piled high with paperwork and print-outs. "I'm not sure- I haven't gone through everything yet- it's so disorganized and scattered..." She sighs. "Whoever prepared all this stuff left it in such disarray. I've been trying to organize it for weeks!" She groans in frustration.You nod and look at Anzu- you don't know how or why, but you feel this is all her fault somehow. Maybe she's just an easy target. "Well, keep at it- there's got to be more information in there somewhere." Another glance over at Miho shows she's still puzzling over things."Unrecoverable..." She muses again, deep in thought. >"How do you make a tank unrecoverable?">"Maybe we could get Yuzu some help?">"Why don't we go out and look- maybe we'll think of something?">Other.
>>30582315>"How do you make a tank unrecoverable? Was it submerged or something?">"Why don't we go out and look- maybe we'll think of something?"
>>30582169>Track width, Track length, and weight of the tank all affect, and are affected by the nature of the tank's suspension system.>>The Volute Springs on the Lee and VVSS Shermans was one of the big factors requiring such narrow tracks, and by extension, causing such ridiculously high ground pressure.>>You can't just identify aspects of a complex system like a drivetrain and motive system in a vacuum.Sure you can, because I did, and because it's true.>>When the M3 Lee was introduced it was facing Pz.IVs and IIIs. The 75mm M3 gun was more than adequate.>>When the M3 Lee was introduced it was using the M2 75mm gun, which was a bad joke. Even against PzIIIs and IVs.It was equipped with the M3>Furthermore, the sponson mounting is frankly crippling to a tank, especially in an era when mobile operations are a matter of course rather than released to Light Tanks.>>If it was billed as a Tank Destroyer or Assault Gun with a secondary defensive turret, it would get nowhere near the amount of criticism. The operative problem is that it has pretensions of being a proper tank, and is woefully inadequate in that respect.Really? A stopgap wasn't adequate? Stop the fucking presses.
>>30582355There's a reason it had a Sponson mount. They were doing the best with what they had.
>>30582315>"How do you make a tank unrecoverable? Was it submerged or something?">"Maybe we could get Yuzu some help?"time to roll up our sleeves and dive in to the paper work.
>>30582315>"How do you make a tank unrecoverable?">"Maybe we could get Yuzu some help?"
>>30582355>Sure you can, because I did, and because it's true.Well you can, the same way I can take a shit on a window. It's fucking stupid and accomplishes nothing useful.The suspension type determines what kind of roadwheels and what width of track, can be used. It's hard to get sufficiently broad tracks without using Torsion bars to accommodate broader or interleaved roadwheels. Try mounting something the Tiger's weight on Christie or VVSS layouts, see what happens.>It was equipped with the M3Later on. The first M3s, i.e The British Lend-lease vehicles, had the short M2 ones. A lot of the Soviet Lend-lease M3s, too. Yank M3s generally were converted to the M3 before they saw action, though I believe at least some of the M3s in Torch and Tunisia still sued the M2.A considerable amount of the obsoleted M3s with the M2 gun were used in the CBI Theatre and in Australian service retained the M2.>Really? A stopgap wasn't adequate? Stop the fucking presses.It bears repeating because the M3 was only "fine" under a very narrow timeframe and under extremely specific conditions.And yet people keep insisting that No it wasn't that bad. Pulling the Stopgap card isn't constructive; it's just a cop-out.>>30582395The reasons for doing so do not change the fact that it was an utterly terrible arrangement.
>>30582614>>30582355>>30582395guys, guys, your both veritable encyclopedias of tank-related knowledge, can we keep the debate calm and civil, please?
>>30582680This is 4chan.This IS a calm and civil argument.
>>30582694oh yeah. As you were, gentlemen!
>>Sure you can, because I did, and because it's true.>Well you can, the same way I can take a shit on a window. It's fucking stupid and accomplishes nothing useful.>The suspension type determines what kind of roadwheels and what width of track, can be used. It's hard to get sufficiently broad tracks without using Torsion bars to accommodate broader or interleaved roadwheels. Try mounting something the Tiger's weight on Christie or VVSS layouts, see what happens.>And the tiger's Roadwheels are a pain in the ass to deal with. Where does that leave us.>>It was equipped with the M3>Later on. The first M3s, i.e The British Lend-lease vehicles, had the short M2 ones. A lot of the Soviet Lend-lease M3s, too. Yank M3s generally were converted to the M3 before they saw action, though I believe at least some of the M3s in Torch and Tunisia still sued the M2.>>A considerable amount of the obsoleted M3s with the M2 gun were used in the CBI Theatre and in Australian service retained the M2.Yes>>Really? A stopgap wasn't adequate? Stop the fucking presses.>It bears repeating because the M3 was only "fine" under a very narrow timeframe and under extremely specific conditions.>And yet people keep insisting that No it wasn't that bad. Pulling the Stopgap card isn't constructive; it's just a cop-out.That's because it wasn't that bad
>>30582355>It was equipped with the M3Dude, please stop making yourself look like an ass.It was equipped with the M2 until the M3A4 model. Namely, almost all of the M3s supplied to the British used the M2.Please refer to the attached Photo of an 8th Army M3 with the M2 gun, which saw service from Alamein to Tunisia.Source: Imperial War Museum, London
>>30582765
>>30582315>"Maybe we could get Yuzu some help?">OtherAnd maybe it would be better to prioritize on the recoverable tanks.
>>30582694They're not calling each other names, I'd say it's going good.captcha: alternately ambalasalternately they could call each other ambalas
>>30582804They did drag the Char out of a lank in the anime so its recoverable... unless you want to try and find Anglerfish's long 75mm or the Type 3.
>>30582877*lake* I need a new laptop.Capcha: otheiwit accuracythat's the main problem with the one I'm using, its accuracy is otheiwit!
>>30582765>And the tiger's Roadwheels are a pain in the ass to deal with. Where does that leave us.With a tank that had significantly greater tactical mobility than both the M3 and most M4s despite being twice as heavy.Also you're neglecting things with both torsion bars and non-interleaved wheels like most Post-WW2 tanks.>YesYes, what? What exactly was your point then?>That's because it wasn't that badYou really need to remove the broken gramophone from your arse. Repeating the same things from there doesn't prove your point.>>30582800And once the Germans were aware of said 75mm gun, it sharply dropped in effectiveness since they both planned for it and had better equipment brought up to deal with it.The only theater where it was realistically considered "good" was in the CBI against the goddamn Japanese.
>>30582777So we're talking about the Grant now?
>>30582913While I'm certainly in agreement with you regarding most of what you said,>The only theater where it was realistically considered "good" was in the CBI against the goddamn Japanese.Actually the Brits didn't want more than 1 firefly per troop because the HE performance of the 75mm was so much better and you spend more time shooting at infantry than at tanks.
>>30582937It's a variant of the Lee, so being specific of what model you're referring to is important.
>>30582954>"1 firefly per troop"don't you mean M3?
>>30582877If it's easier to do, sure. I don't think Sodoko is particularly choosy with her tank, and it's pretty much only Anzu who is insisting on the Char.
>>30582995We're discussing the gun, no? And besides, the Firefly is a Sherman V conversion, unrelated to the M3 Medium entirely.
>>30582954Sorry, what?The M3 Lee was never used in Troops with the M4-based Firefly. Also, as a point of order, the British did indeed use multiple Fireflies in Sherman Troops after November 1944 when Firefly supply caught up to demand. 2 Fireflies and 2 Sherman Vs was common after that point.>>30583030The M2 Gun on almost all British Me Lee/Grants was never used on the M4 Sherman anyway.The M3 gun used on M3A4 and later Lees was the same as the M4 Sherman's 75mm gun, however.
>>30583030there are many different lengths of 75mm guns, each performing differently. A 75mm on a Firefly is a different gun than the ones used on the M3 Lee. Also, what >>30583076 said.>>30583006we've got about an hour left, so let's see what we turn up before deciding which to pick.
>>30583090>A 75mm on a FireflyFirefly's 17 pdr was a 76.2mm gun.Still very Different to Russain or Yank 76mm guns, though, yes.
>>30582913>With a tank that had significantly greater tactical mobility than both the M3 and most M4s despite being twice as heavy.That's not actually true. if you refer to Dmitriy Loza's book Commanding the Red Army's Sherman Tanks.> Chobanyan instantly conceived a plan—to avoid a head-on clash with the enemy, he would evade forsome period of time and be careful. Using the trafficability of the Shermans across the soggy ground, hewould concentrate them along ravines and gullies. The heavy enemy tanks would not risk traversing theseareas. And he would employ the submachine gunners for close-in security and at the same time send themout on reconnaissance.And by doing some math (Or just looking on the internet http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tiger1.htm)Width = 29.7 inchesLength = 141.9 inches29.7 * 141.9 * 2 = 8,428.86126,000 / 8,428.86 =14.949Which means the tiger I has a greater ground pressure than the Sherman or Lee and less mobility than the two.Yes as in, I can't argue with this because it's not an argument. It's fact.>You really need to remove the broken gramophone from your arse. Repeating the same things from there doesn't prove your point.this is really going places
>>30583076I'm aware, I was just disagreeing with your assessment that the 75mm Gun M3 was a bad gun.>The British did indeed use multiple Fireflies in Sherman TroopsTypo, sorry. But anyway yes, they didn't like having too many of the Fireflies because of the need for guns with good HE effect.Also troops are 5 tanks, it was 3 Sherman 2 Firefly at the end of the war.>>30583090Ballistically, not really. The M3 differed from the M2 gun by not needing the counterweight, otherwise they all used the same ammunition and saw maybe 6mm (10%) increase in the abysmal AP M61 performance as you went to the bigger gun.
>>30583248>First bit of nonsenseLoza Didn't ever drive a Tiger. Russian heavies wouldn't have gone over that ground, sure.There are multiple accounts from Western sources, however, of Tigers and Panthers charging over ground that had been determined impassable to Shermans.>Second NonsenseYour math is shit.I am looking, right now, at data published by Bovington Tank Museum based on tests of both their Operational Tiger and their Operational M4A1 Sherman.The Tiger's tested ground pressure came out to 0.753kg/cm3, whereas the M4A1 Sherman's was 0.96kg/cm3.Your "facts" are ill-informed.Ref: Fletcher, D, Wiley, D, Hayton, M, "Tiger Tank: Owner's Workshop Manual", Zenith Press, 20011, © The Tank Museum
>>30583367Okay, so we've got two cites sources that say different things.Looks like we're done here.
>>30583295So a Panther's 7.5 cm KwK 42 is the same, ballistically, as the Sherman's 75mm M3? 1120 meters per second (APCR) vs. 619 meters per second (AP) sounds like a fairly big difference to me.>>30583390ah, good, now we wait for Blackjack to post.
Blakjak iz ded
>>30583367>There are multiple accounts from Western sources, however, of Tigers and Panthers charging over ground that had been determined impassable to Shermans.Are you sure they were running a full combat load?
>>30583367Loza's describing his Sherman (M4A2, the diesel one) going over soft ground that the enemy heavies (I.e. German heavies) wouldn't risk going over. It's also entirely possible he had the duckbill extenders fitted.>The Tiger's tested ground pressure came out to 0.753kg/cm3That sounds suspiciously like the Tiger B's zero penetration ground pressure on soft ground.Well, once you divide it by 1cm to get pressure instead of density.I do have a cite note for the Tiger E for 1.03kg/cm2 in Tiger vs Sherman Firefly though.>>30583404I'm talking about the 75mm gun M2 compared to the 75mm M3 or M6, you nitwit.
>>30583423Maybe if we lewd some garupans he'll come back straight away?
>>30583509Absurd, Blackjack isnt goast
>>30583423I just realized something... Blackjack is undead! When we say he's dead, its because his necromancer controller is busy reanimating him! Now you might be asking why a necromancer would have a zombie play WOT and browse 4chan. the answer is simple: for science!>>30583482I thought I put my initial statement into the context of ALL 75mm guns, not just the M2, M3, and M6 guns. Let's agree that we misunderstood each other and go back to...>>30583509>mfw. god damm it!
>>30583482>>The Tiger's tested ground pressure came out to 0.753kg/cm3>That sounds suspiciously like the Tiger B's zero penetration ground pressure on soft ground.>Well, once you divide it by 1cm to get pressure instead of density.>I do have a cite note for the Tiger E for 1.03kg/cm2 in Tiger vs Sherman Firefly though.That was meant to be kg/cm2, I fucked up typing there, i'll admit.Anyone who has access to the book or a pdf can confirm - page 139.>Loza's describing his Sherman (M4A2, the diesel one) going over soft ground that the enemy heavies (I.e. German heavies) wouldn't risk going over. It's also entirely possible he had the duckbill extenders fittedI'll grant he may have had. I'm still looking for a specific citation regarding the Allied accounts of Tigers going over soft ground - i'll get back to that point when I've found it.
>>30582614Lee's may have been 'utterly terrible' but they were a great deal better than what the Brits were fielding at the time, both in anti-tank and anti-infantry.
>>30583628Except for the TOG II. TOG tank is party tank! :)
>>30583628That's like comparing a knife in the eye to a clawhammer in the balls.Neither is the slightest bit good, but one is comparatively better than the other.
>>30583509Yes...you may be onto something here, but which one have we not done much to for a while...
You and Miho head for the garage- the home of Oorai's Senshado Team. Miho still deep in thought while you walk. "A Char-" You remark. "We're a real multinational team- Two American tanks, Two Czechs, a British and now a French Heavy." You sigh, looking up."Czech..." Miho states absent-mindedly. "The Pz.38t is a Czech design..." She stares down at the ground. "I just can't see what they could do to a tank that would make it unrecoverable..." She finally says, frustrated. "Short of dumping it over the side- but with the crash barriers that's not even possible!"You give her a reassuring pat the shoulder. "Stop thinking so hard... You're gonna hurt yourself!" She say with a grin. "We'll just check around during practice- maybe we can get Yukari and the History Club to go help Yuzu with the documents." You say, swinging your hands back up to rest behind your head as you look up. "They've probably got all sorts of practice going over dusty tomes of arcane lore..."Miho sighs, but still looks perplexed. "Was thinking about something else too..." She mentions. "Oh well... If it's on the carrier we'll find the B2- it'll be a good addition too." She says, nodding. "They take a beating... We need more tanks that can maintain a line..."
>>30583679Ah, next time already?
>>30583668>>30583679Well shit, it worked.
>>30583679NEXT TIME!>>30583694yep. less than 10 mins of animated screen time gets turned into 6 hours.
>>30583679Yo dawg, we herd u like insurance fraud so we dumped ur car in a lake
NEXT TIME ON GIRLS UND PANZER QUEST!>Yukari and the History Club get down to business.>Why would a tank team need a jet engine?>Patrick is useful.Girls und Panzer Quest will return tomorrow at 5-6PM PST. Follow me on Twitter for schedule updates and to find out when the thread goes live!NEXT TIME ON GIRLS UND PANZER QUEST!>Yukari and the History Club get down to business.>Why would a tank team need a jet engine?>Patrick is useful.Girls und Panzer Quest will return tomorrow at 5-6PM PST. Follow me on Twitter
>>30583679>Two CzechswutPz. IV is not a Czech design
>>30583725 Da fuq just happened there...
>>30583694>>30583711I did say back at the anniversary that it would take us another two and a half years to finish the anime. If I didn't know better, I'd say Blackjack is stalling the next fight until the corresponding episode gets released in July. Anyway, Yo Rufus! You here? You got more Pz. IV goodness for us?>>30583733microsoft happened! :)
>>30583733The same thing that made you have Russells imply the Pz.IV was a Czech design?
>>30583747Nah, I just brainfarted there. We'll fix it in post.
>>30583654Well one will probably kill you and the other will just make you wish you were dead.The main thing the Brits needed was the gun. They lacked anything at the time that could operate as a dual-purpose weapon, which the 75mm is wonderful for. Several of their tanks were decent at anti-tank, but had no anti-infantry(and by extension, anti-anti-tank gun) capabilities.
>>30583679>two czechsczechtanks are great and all but dude
>>30583482>Loza's describing his Sherman (M4A2, the diesel one) going over soft ground that the enemy heavies (I.e. German heavies) wouldn't risk going over. It's also entirely possible he had the duckbill extenders fitted.He was running duckbills of some kind, his M4A2 (76) is 15.1 psi, same psi as the Tiger I with a full combat load.Supposedly they improve contact patch by 20%. There doesn't appear to be a standardized duckbill as most of them were made in country.
>>30583980All the German heavies did have a really bad habit of their road wheels getting clogged with mud, as I recall, so that may be why they wouldn't go through it.
>>30583557>"Tiger Tank: Owner's Workshop Manual"Yeah, it's saying 0.735, which I suspect is copied off the 1993 Osprey New Vanguard book on the Tiger 1 (Jentz and Doyle).Their other Tiger book, the 2000 "Germany's Tiger Tanks D.W. to Tiger I: Design, Production & Modifications" gives 1.03 kg/cm2 zero penetration and 0.735 kg/cm2 20cm penetration.>I'm still looking for a specific citation regarding the Allied accounts of Tigers going over soft ground - i'll get back to that point when I've found it.You probably won't find it. The quotes I suspect you're looking for compare the Panther and Tiger II.You'll also want to remember that WW2 US army personnel had a tendency to call any German tank a tiger. An interview with the Pershing TC in the 1945 Cologne battle (posted earlier) had him call the Panther a Tiger.
>>30584075Well at that stage of the war, what's the point in distinguishing the German heavies? That and the Tiger II does look like a Panther to most people.
