>>30341089
bUY hEART sTONE tTIAN,

>>30341089
>dump Matthel on the floor

>>30341089
"It's too late for him to cause more harm now."

Dump him.

>>30341123
No.

>>30341089
>Dump Matthel on the floor.

"Why did I even decide to hear you out?"

>>30341089

>dump Matthel on the floor

"He may be disoriented by his experience in stasis - his confusion should be temporary."

>>30341089
>dump Matthel on the floor

>>30341089
>>dump Matthel on the floor

>>30341089
>dump Matthel on the floor

>>30341123
Can we not? It's not immediately useful and the xp would be better hoarded for erasure spam.

>>30341089
>write in
ask if his Wind burn will be a problem, its pretty clear he has no qualms using it on us
<Do you have means of holding him, he'll probably be a little shaken up after a stay in my Pocket>
>dump Matthel on the floor

>>30341123
Fuck that MP5 all the way.

>>30341123

Where the fuck are we going to get raw Adamantium?

We should spend that XP on summoning upgrades and Magic Power 5, goddamnit

>>30341123
Let me copy-paste my response.

That sure would have helped us here, asshat.
Pointless waste of exp.
We never need a huge hulking automaton.
We never did.
We never used those, we always fought ourselves.
I don't understand your obsession with it, personally I'd go for the darkest shadow tree. with order immateria and other USEFUL things.

>>30341089
>write-in
Have him bring us to a mana pool so that we can gather some energy before we let him back out.

We spent ourselves against Metatron, after all, and we wouldn't want to mess something up when retrieving Matthel due to exhaustion, after all.

>>30341123
No buying now, wait for plot. we'll need our special moves later

>>30341089
Dump matthel. Buy Magic Power V.

We need more mana and regeneration guys, what were we out of the WHOLE fight? Mana.

Okay, so they're going to finish summoning Hyperion in a few days. That means we need to free Hecate first. The last key is in the Flints' vault. Adavan has seen it. So we should grad Adavan, go get the key NOW, and spring Hecate.

>>30341123
Nope. We need the xp to erase Sandalphon and the entire goddamn sigil.

>dump Matthel on the floor

Tell every mage here to get ready to restrain him before we do.

And tell someone to get our airship, NOW!

>>30341183
>>30341170
>>30341156
>Magic Power 5

This...

><It took me some time to regenerate, but at least I lived. Come speak with me later.>
I hope he stole the key so we can deal with the parasite through Plan B) Release the Hecate!

>>30341192
This the allies can fill us in later we free Hecate NOW

>>30341156
Yes, that last fight might have gone better had we had more mana.

We have enough xp to buy mpV and save 10 for an emergency Erasure.

That's what we need to do.


And eating the water gem might be a good idea. 3d33 xp + having another shard to draw power from would be amazing.

>>30341089
Dump him on the floor. Then excuse ourselves to go steal the last key with Adavan.

>>30341233
I'd rather like to have a spiffy water elemental ally, though.

>>30341233
Yeah no we're not eating that

>>30341089
>dump Matthel on the floor

I would actually like to start buying stuff up to eventually get Order Immateria.

>>30341192

I think Adavan already stole the key and is on his way to do just that as we speak.

Wish he waited for us to be there though.

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If I may anons, lets not forget what the sage told us about flint's parasite. It can be removed in 3 ways: With fangs help, freeing Hecate, and third way I can't recall right now...

>>30341220
>>30341211
is it just me or is putting NOW at the end of your post come off as petulant as fuck

>>30341233
HEARTSTONE Titan

>>30341089
IN ADVANCE:
Please please please grab the last part of the dark-but-not-darkest-gray tree. The lack of a tree completion bonus is killing me. Light gray can come next.

>>30341233
HIGHER DCs, and a second elemental might be good.

>>30341220
>>30341213
>>30341210
>>30341192
>>30341176

I know we're all amped up from the battle, but for right now we need to debrief with the allies and secure Arland's entrance into the alliance.

Step 2: Free Hecate. We'll need her help to fight against the Pentaverate. There is also the unlikely possibility that she is going to be stronger than us.

Step 3: We need to hide Flint on Xile. It's the safest place in Venia, and Sandalphon needs Flint alive and on the sigil to summon Hyperion.

>>30341254
If he's already got the key, then we can go now and free Hecate.

Freeing Hecate is a way to rid Flint of the parasite, which will set back the ritual while they find someone new. Might buy us a few more days.

>>30341273
IT WAS HIGHER DCS FOR THE NEXT ACTION AGAINST METATRON BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE TIME

IT'S NOT HIGHER DCS FOR THE REST OF THE QUEST.

Stop lying just because you don't like the option.

fuck talking to matthel tell Arcturis we are taking the key and will be back within three hours and free Hecate, tell Fang to bring the fucking Black lady in might as well get this fucking party started everything has gone to shit anyway.

>>30341255

I guess Hecate it is then.

"It's too late for him to cause more harm now," you say. "Just as a warning, he'll probably be...disoriented."

You unpocket Matthel.

>mana: 6/58

The lord's son is dumped onto the floor. He's shivering. His hands slide over his face with a mad sort of desperation. His eyes go wide. He slowly props himself up.

When he sees who he's surrounded by, his eyes go even wider.

"...what..."

Arcturis kneels down to Matthel. "How long have you been working for Sandalphon without my knowledge?"

"I...I don't..."

What do you do?

>Try to control yourself.
>You've had enough of this shit. Let the anger flow.
>write-in

>>30341272
Actually fuck that, mana power 5 all the way.

>>30341277
add servant flint to fuck with the spell.

>>30341255
Hecate likely can't help us without being at the Seal itself.

I'm pretty sure all parts of the plan hinged upon us being at the right location to dismantle it.

So we're fucked forever.

>>30341294
>Try to control yourself.

Let's not make a scene.

HearthStone Titan:
Stride length of 20yards. Due to massive weight we shall use average stride length for walking because something like this most likely cannot propel itself off the ground in the sense of how we run (especially considering how it would shake itself apart by putting three times its own weight on each foot per stride). Assuming SM was using “stride” how I think we was as “distance between the two feet while walking” the average mans stride length is between 2.5-3 feet and the average height being 5ft 10in creates a rough estimate of half your height in stride (maybe a bit more but this is a golem so whatever). That leaves us with a forty yard tall (36.58 meters) (120feet) HearthStone Titan. Giving us a 10-11 story golem. And the Bots that are inside of it seem to be about 10-11feet tall consider SM said “They tower at least several feet above the largest humans you’ve seen. It also has a control room in its head and what seems like a “bay” or something like it for the bots in its torso.

>>30341294

>Control ourselves

Arcturis is about to spank his boy, let's try to stay in control.

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>>30341294
>You've had enough of this shit. Let the anger flow.

>>30341294
>write-in
>pick him up and punch him

>>30341277
>Sandalphon needs Flint alive and on the sigil

I don't remember this as all. The only thing he needs from flint is his light, and he is getting it.

>>30341294
>You've had enough of this shit. Let the anger flow.
Way to almost destroy your entire homeland asshole

>>30341294
anger. all the anger

>>30341277
>Sandalphon needs Flint alive and on the sigil to summon Hyperion.

[citation need]

>>30341294
>Try to control yourself.
Ask peace for help. If we've learned anything it's that we can't be a raging chucklefuck all the time.

>>30341294
>Try to control yourself.

>>30341294
>Try to control yourself.

I can imagine Shadow being so angry right now that he just starts vibrating or something.

>>30341294
>>You've had enough of this shit. Let the anger flow.
ANGER

>>30341301

I'm pretty sure Servanting Flint would "fix" his problem, but it would also totally destroy his power level. Shadow would overwrite his Light powers and then we'd have a very shitty Shadow Knight instead of a Magic Jesus-level Paladin. Not the best solution.

>>30341294
>Try to control yourself.
>Fail miserably

>>30341294
Excuse ourselves. We need to go talk with Adavan. Don't mention the key to them.

>>30341294
Just teleport outside and be upset there.

I don't even wanna see him right now.

>>30341307
Stop using 'forever' and 'there's no way to fix this ever'. It kills plans and thoughts that might work.

>>30341294
>Try to control yourself.

>>30341294
>You've had enough of this shit. Let the anger flow.

Rolled 4

>>30341294
ask permission from his dad to rage

THEN RAGE

>>30341294
Controlled and channeled anger.

>>30341315
>>30341320
Two threads ago Matthel told Arcturis about bringing Donovan down to the Sigil to complete it.

>>30341294
Teleport outside and start whaling on everything while screaming out our anger.

>>30341294
>>Try to control yourself.

>write-in
Maybe some subtle persuasion. Via terror.

"He seems hesitant to come clean. Perhaps I should secure him once more so we can continue this later."

Guaranteed he starts either spilling the beans or railing against how we're an abomination the minute we imply that we can put him back in solitary.

Vote 1:
>demonstrate self-control

Vote 2:
>BURN THIS RAGE AS FUEL FOR YOUR JOURNEY

>>30341294
>>write-in
Find Donovan. We need to get him secured.

>>30341365
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>>30341336
what's the alternative?

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>>30341294
>Try to control yourself.
just barley
>You've had enough of this shit. Let the anger flow.
slowly, like a flame gaining fuel
>write-in
"Matthel, I saved you once despite myself because I believed you a good man. Donovan praised you as the only beacon his family ever had to offer him....BUT your actions here have case away any respect I held for you! And any mercy you receive from endangering him, Arland, and ALL OF VENIA will not be granted by me unless you do everything you possibly can to fix your MASSIVE FUCK UP or I will send you meet Metatron where ever his final resting place is!"

>>30341365
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>>30341294
"Answer or you go back in"

Not even in the mood for his shit. Just consume.

>>30341365
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>>30341367

He's in the room with you now, safe and sound.

>>30341365
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>>30341375
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>>30341365
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We need to focus on freeing Hecate. This now takes priority over everything else, because it is both necessary to counter Hyperion if he comes back and also is our best shot at stopping them from summoning Hyperion in the first place.

>>30341365
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>>30341365
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Guys, showing ANGER here would probably sway Arcturuis to our side and help with the reveal.

>>30341365
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>>30341294
>You've had enough of this shit. Let the anger flow.

"DO YOU NOT REALIZE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE! YOU HAVE STARTED A WAR THAT HAS BEEN OVER FOR 700 YEAR ALL OVER AGAIN! YOU HAVE KILLED YOUR BROTHER! YOU HAVE DESTROYED YOUR OWN HOUSE! AND YOU MAY VERY WELL HAVE DESTROYED THE WORD IF THIS CAUSES THE RIFT TO CRACK OPEN FURTHER"

"And you made me break my fucking hammer."

>>30341365
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>>30341365
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BOTH

we should just start raping the guy in full view of everyone

<LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DOOOO>

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>>30341432
>that last line

I thought I couldn't laugh anymore, anon. That was treasurable.

>>30341422
>>30341432
>>30341439

lol. Edgemeisters detected

>>30341365
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>>30341365
1

Can we get a listing of who owns what amount of Airships? Because you said that there were 27 at the beginning of the quest. But you said that Kelevere had 4 and the Ring City only had two, which doesn’t really seem to make sense considering their overall “power”. Shadow ate 2 at Evinbrook(one of the dukes, one of the Ring Citys), then destroyed the one we stole from the angels, but apparently they had another that one couldn’t jump giving them three. I am really confused and would like solid number on who owns how many of these things.

>>30341365
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>>30341365

I admit I'm a little disappointed, but we'll control ourselves.

Just barely.

>>30341465
Can we at least show some anger?

It would be OOC as fuck to not.

>>30341465
Why? Were you expecting us to explode at Matthel?

>>30341365
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>>30341465
I demand we be more than just a emotionless blob of nothing

>>30341465
Make it so were visibly holding back our unrelenting all encompassing anger

>>30341458

The numbers are decided but not all the names. I'll complete this and distribute it at the end of this thread.

>>30341483

Actually, yes.

>>30341482
>>30341485
>>30341487

You're going to show anger, just control it.

>>30341465
I believe>>30341375 sums it up, start slowly and calm until we're inches from him and holding him by his shoulders shaking him and yelling

>>30341483
because it would be in fucking character.

>>30341483
I was looking forward to the RIGHTEOUS FURY.

....that is my fetish....

>>30341485
>>30341482
He did say "just barely"...

>>30341465

Can we still show distaste for him making us break our hammer?

"I should have shoved it up your ass when I had the chance. Could have avoided this whole mess."

>>30341465
Well yeah, in this light anything short of beating him to death and then consuming him demonstrates self-control.

Also, restrained anger can be even more intimidating to deal with.

Rolled 19

>>30341507
Shadow's fury would be something to see....

we haven't seen that in a while

>>30341502
>>30341507
On the one hand, we look like a cool cookie.

On the other hand, we look like we don't really care after all.

Choices, choices.

>>30341512
Reminder to ask Hemmelus for some bottled Mana to take with us, that shit us usefull and can be easily stored in our pocket.

>>30341497
>>30341365
>>30341465
yessss, let the anger flow through you. only when you have felt true emotion will your transformation be complete

>>30341541
its more like were so fucking angry that we dont look mad at all
thats when you watch the fuck out

>>30341549
didn't mean to link that

Rolled 78

Don't buy SHIT, we're gonna need erasure to deal with the Stage Two of this - either crashing the party, or kicking hyperion's ass

>>30341549
Yeah, let's just buy a fuck load of mana potions off of him.

Easy mana.

>>30341549
Utility belt it instead. Pocket takes a turn to retrieve and costs mana.

>>30341572
we can go giant and rip and tear everything forever

>>30341572
Given that we have 35 EXP, we can buy Heartstone Titan or MP5 and still have enough for one use of Erasure.

All we need to do then is give Sandalphon a hug.

Just wondering, what does Vampiria do with the wild elementals that it finds within its borders? because they own quite a large track of land and i can't imagine them hunting them like the angels.

>>30341458

I bet Atlantus has quite a few airships. Since travel to and from their main city would be bitch considering it's surrounded by swam and forest.

>>30341572
>>30341589

I think we should spend 15xp and save 15xp for emergency.

And for the love of all fucking shit, let's complete the Shadow tree for the bonus.

>>30341598

probably uses them for magical research, most elementals are not sentient so who gives a fuck?

>>30341583
But they're unstable as fuck. I think.

>>30341604
They have water mages and rivers. nuff said

>>30341598
Speaking of that, have we even SEEN another elemental
excluding our shards

>>30341597
If this battle has taught us ANYTHING, it's that MP is our lifeblood. Get MP5.

>>30341604
and I bet they'd just love when the diplomatic rep of Haven gives them a shiny relic from Leviathan him/herself

>>30341612
Wait, do we have 30 or 35 EXP? SM said 35 in the story post, but he may have miscalculated.

>>30341612
I 100% agree with this statement.

We're going to get so fucking wrecked in the inevitable battle with Hyperion. I hope Sandalphon accidentally summons another fucking army of demons instead.

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What I see shadow doing at this moment.

>>30341625
spirit guy in the beginning, and maybe a water one at leviathans place.

>>30341628
In agreement. Can we seriously just get it SM?

>>30341628
No it isn't, it would have turned out the same if we had had full mana. We have and always will be best at Melee

>>30341637
On the bright side, Hyperion's release may mean that we get our original power back. At the very least we can use all of our shards.

>>30341638
I really hate that popular depiction of Hades. For so, so many reasons.

>>30341637
We can just pull an us on him
split him up and erase his memories
its the true righteous path

>>30341653
No.

We're getting Heartstone Titan.

>>30341662

Disney Hades is awesome, don't be hate'n

>>30341677
Nope.

>>30341656
Are you fucking kidding me? How many more options would we have had available if we still had some mana left during the battle with Metatron?

>>30341677
And you. What use is a giant robot going to be? Can it even fit in our pocket?

>>30341662
kinda agree, it was okay for explaining greek gods to children but not a very good depiction overall

>>30341677
wow anon you sure changed my mind
thanks for deciding what all of us want!

I want /m/ to leave.

>>30341677

I'll ask again - where are we going to find raw adamantium and Shadow Cores lying around? Do you think we really have the fucking time to make a Titan? Do you think a Titan will even slow Hyperion down for a second?

>>30341658
now that's some wishful thinking right there.

>>30341628
We're a Melee class. If you want spells then invest in the shadow magic tree. We're the Lord of Shadow, not earth or water. We have maxed out Melee and not magic.

Mana is usefull but not the main focus.

>>30341677
Not needed right now

>>30341705
The raw adamantium will probably come from archon aor Steward.

We don't need shadow cores, just raw adamantium.

>>30341677
Haha nope. It's been demonstrated time and again that WE need to be stronger. It is not the time to be spreading ourselves thin.

Should we strawpoll what we should spend the exp on? And if we should save some of it for emergencies?

>>30341677
It's an extremely pointless purchase. Like others have pointed out, we would benefit more from tree completion bonuses and other things that are immediately useful.

Rolled 62

>>30341597
>Titan or MP5 and still have enough for one use of Erasure.

If there's ANYthing we've learned from this fight, it's that one might not be enough!

FUCK SPENDING XP UNTIL WE NEED IT

Deal with the CURRENT SHITSTORM before blowing away all our reserve-mana!

>>30341612
decent middle ground

You've had enough. You've gone to the end of the world and back, you've survived angels, demons, robots, and the mad dreams of the Archonium, and now you finally came full circle to do what you set out to do in the first place: help your friend.

And this pathetic, traitorous, lying, brainwashed son of a bitch was the SOLE variable stopping you from finishing the job once and for all.

Everyone is staring at you. You realize your fist is buried halfway in the wall next to you, pulverizing a section of of stone. Chips and shards of it plink off your arms.

"John," Steward says, "that is not a productive contribution to the structural integrity of the building."

You ignore him, keeping your gaze fixed on Matthel. "Answer your father's questions," you say, "or I will put you back where you were and forget about you."

Matthel crawls back from you, sliding across the ground until he hits Auriel's legs. Her lips wrinkle up, and she kicks him off her. Obis, remembering the time he spent in your pocket, rubs his sides, as if warming himself.

"Well?" Arcturis says.

"...since...I was young. When I went on the exchange program, with the Atlantians."

"...that's over two decades." Arcturis closes his eyes. "Dammit, Matthel. Damn you to the Nether."

"I did what I had to do!" Matthel shouts. His voice is hoarse. "You don't understand now. But you will. My actions will be validated. That thing!" Matthel points at you. "That thing is our enemy! Not me! Father -"

The lights in the cathedral flicker. Your aura vibrates. Your fists are clenched. You take a step forward.

Abigail wraps her arm around yours. <Shadow. I know...I know.>

Her voice is a balm. You tuck her in closer, exchanging the anger for the comfort of her presence.

Arcturis kneels down to his son again. "You answer my questions, boy, and you answer well. Where is the sigil?"

>con't

>>30341709
Is it just me or does it seem like our most dangerous encounters have always been foes who use really powerful MAGIC?

>>30341706
One can hope. It's hope that will be shot, burned, stabbed, buried alive screaming, while SM dances laughing on its shallow grave, but it's hope.

>>30341709
It makes all of our spells more powerful, increases regeneration and a higher regen cap in addition to more mp

it's the best option besides maybe paving way for order immateria

>>30341705
Making it is instant.

>>30341691
Not many considering our magic is subpar right now, specially compard to angels.

>>30341709
We are melee incarnate and finishing the shadow tree gets us one step closer to perfecting that goal.

"...I don't know for sure. Probably at the ring city."

"What do they need to complete their spell?"

"...Donovan has to be physically present, inside the sigil. That will let them remove the shel'kath."

"By killing him," Fang says.

"They won't take his life!"

"Says the traitor," Obis says. "Shut up already. We've already heard your version from John and your own dad. Not to mention the sage. Even he thinks you're screwy."

"How can we stop the sigil?" Arcturis asks.

"How should I know? I never wanted to stop it."

"We could just destroy the spell itself," Fang suggests. "Though, to get close enough and actually perform that task would be quite difficult. Not to mention we have an army at our collective doorsteps. And the Highest himself will be here. Tomorrow."

Arcturis sits on his haunches, thinking.

Do you have any questions to ask Matthel?

>write-in

>>30341709

that's retarded, we went Melee for HP and PLOT demanded it, even SM admitted this.

we should continue to expand our magical abilities because we are basically maxed out on Melee anyway.

>>30341731
>"Dammit, Matthel. Damn you to the Nether."
"That's actually what I was just doing. Want me to put him back?"

Rolled 43

>>30341728
>Should we strawpoll what we should spend the exp on? And if we should save some of it for emergencies?

Save ALL of it for Emergencies, go attack the ringed city now, consume the shit out of the angels there and stop the final ritual that will kill donovan.
KILL DONOVAN
The shael-kath will kill him to complete the hyperion summoning ritual!

Stop fucking about with xp, and figure out how to stop it!

>>30341709
And giant robots help with that how?

Also, we didn't max out melee. We have a ways to go for it.

>>30341735
But our magic is shit, and we always won with Melee

Rolled 80

>>30341750
>Do you have any questions to ask Matthel?

"Why."

"Why would you help slavers. why would you help people who literally bottle up the souls of people they don't like and force them"
"What could possible make you agree with people who do THIS?"
*impressions of the soul-jars*

>>30341750
Now could be the time to spill the beans

>>30341750

"Sandalphon was coming here to watch the ritual himself, wasn't he? Not to negotiate at all. To watch Hyperion return."

>>30341737

that's not hope, hope has a chance, what you are talking about is hopeless folly

>>30341760
Strawpoll is easier to proxy than 4chan

I'd like to bring up a point last thread, where one anon made an interesting point about removing Donovan's Light magic by servanting him. Could we send a few mind message via spirit magic to Fang about that?

>>30341741
>Not many.
>What is the fucking entirety of the Water and Spirit trees.

Also, would you kindly explain how we can use a giant robot in battles with fast-moving targets like the angels that have extremely powerful magic (read: ranged) attacks.

>>30341750
<I'm going to kill Sandalphon. And there's nothing you can do you stop it, Matthel.>

When he gets here, Erasure him.

>>30341750
Is there a significant upgrade to Melee anywhere left int he tree? besides Tau?

>>30341750
"Into the trash you go."

Pocket him just to fuck with him and see him cower some more.

Okay, our fastest ways to stop the ritual would be to either free Hecate and allow her to remove the spirit based demon, or to enter the Ring City ourselves and make a big mess.

>>30341750
"Why shouldn't I kill you Matthel? In the time it would take for anyone here to stop me, you can be dead, why Matthel, why shouldn't I?"

>>30341750
>Do you have any questions to ask Matthel?

No. I think we have heard all we need to from him.

We need to get our fucking airship in this city AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

>>30341799
Might be our best shot at this point. Doesn't hurt to ask at this point of being beyond fucked.

>>30341750
So it won't activate without Donovan?

That's good news, right?

>>30341778
>>30341786
These.

>>30341750
"I don't give a damn what you think of me, you call me an enemy but the world has labeled me as far worst simply for existing. Yet this "monster" as you called me cares more about this world than you can possibly comprehend, and YOU are the sole reason it has been allowed to fall even further into danger." *punch the wall/floor by him* "And if you were not the brother of my closest riend I would drag you to the Nether myself if it would undo this damage..... The Shadow is not the dark beast the Angels wish it to be, they call it so to validate their own needs and crusades. Hopefully one day you can realize that if the world is not lost to us"

>>30341750
"Why would you think releasing an elemental of chaos would be a good idea?

>>30341786
I'm also voting for this query.

>>30341750
"How long has it been since you've thought for yourself? Do you even remember what it's like to not be dancing to the strings of an insane, trauma-riddled angel?"

>>30341807
We are the Elemental Lord of Shadow. Not Water or Spirit. If you wnat magic then fucking use the shadow magic tree, that's why Nightblaze is so good, that's why that one shadow beam fucked up riazel when we were still weak as fuck.

We've bought skills much more expensive than Shadow beam or whatever it was and they aren't nearly as effective.

I'm sick of not focusing on what we are Good at, Shadow magic.

I only wanted Heartstone Titan because it will help with the war. we can leave it with the army or just drop it in the middle of fucking Kan-abars capital city an let it fuck shit up.

>>30341837

They need Donovan alive and in the sigil.

They're going to kidnap Donovan Flint - tomorrow. Sandalphon is going to fucking take him in the middle of negiotations.

Sandalphon won't give two shits about us or the Demon Lords or Arland.

Donovan's heartbeat is the only thing from keeping Hyperion in the Core.

We have to GET DONOVAN OUT OF ARLAND.

Since we are mostly melee focued I say pathing the way to the ORDER sounds like the best idea.

If ORDER makes it so we are immune to all but magic. I wonder what it unlocks.

>>30341824
I don't think we've told Fang we can servant people, he probably figured it out though since two of them spend a lot of time with him

>>30341887
Our full power

>>30341883
Or bring the Black Lady in.

>>30341883
So... Pocket him until Sandalphon is dead and laugh and laugh?

>>30341904
Yes, yesssssss.

>>30341883
>claim that we're the result of an experiment that the Elf Queen and us did to ourselves in order to combat the Chaos spreading throughout Venia in order to protect it.

>It's a technical truth and allows us to talk about the whole Order = Shadow element and everything else is Chaos thing and address the core issues Venia is facing.

Just thought I'd bring this up from the last thread as a cover story for our identity. We can also say we lost our memories in the process and still be speaking the truth.

>>30341887
I really want to finish dark-but-not-darkest gray and light gray off so we can get that delicious Order Immateria. DBND-Gray isn't a requirement, but it's making my need for tree completion fuck me in the ass.

>>30341880
>I'm sick of not focusing on what we are Good at, Shadow magic.

Doesn't really jive with your wanting a giant robot. Getting MP5 or Ray of Darkness works better.

>>30341887
Finally someone who is reasonable.

We never use those silly summons and automatons. All that we ever needed was wisp.

>>30341880
SO. MUCH. THIS.

I fucking want Eclipse because it it so dam good.

>>30341915
Err...didn't mean to link to anything but whatever.

Yeah... I don't know why it never occurs to us to use our enemy's specific elemental weaknesses.

We've got a whole bunch of crap.

>>30341915
Nah, Hemmelus is bro enough. Arcturius loves his country enough.

>>30341750
"How many of the Highest have you actually met? Were they saviors? Champions of Light all? In my interacvtions with them I met those who can see beyond to the person under the elements....but also barbarians who care nothing for the innocent, slavers without souls who bind others, blind fools seeking an end to battles that never existed, even the highest himself turned a blind eye to their sins because it suited his needs. Would Hyperions return be good or bad for the world is not my place to say, but ripping Venia asunder in the process is a mad mans dream."

Guys, would they know if we had the shel'kath removed from Donovan? If not, we could release hecate get it removed, let them take Donovan under the assumption he's still integral to the plan and use him to trace down where the sigil is in order to destroy it.

>>30341942
To be fair, Metatron's sheer power in fire magic might have made our water magic useless.

>>30341942
Because we suck at them compared to using what we are naturally good at.

>>30341942
>light element servants
>weak to shadow magic
WELL GEE WHATAYA KNOW

>>30341961
>>30341966

Angels are weak to shadow by default, aren't they?

>>30341977
Our most powerful Shadow spell is Cone of Destruction. Metatron shrugged it off like a boss.

Rolled 99

>>30341908
Just watch Donovan seppuku

Just watch

>>30341920
If you had read the rest of the post then you would see why.

It is situational for the war, not to mention that thing would scare the shit out of the angels. and be a nice bargaining chip for the alliance. if we even need to bargain anymore.

>>30341995
You can literally pinpoint the moment his heart tears in half.

>>30341994
he did have the highest defense of any angel though

>>30341977
Yup
I guess we haven't fought enough demons for them to realize otherwize

>>30341994
Ray of darkness almost 1 shotted Raizel, who was like 9.

and there's still Eclipse and whatever is off of it

>>30341999
>scare the shit out of the angels

Puh-lease. Any one of the Highest could rip it apart. Drop it in Kan-Abar? So will the three or four demon lords.

Not to mention, how do we transport it? Our pocket won't be big enough until we get *gasp* Magic Power 5.

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All aboard the Xile train, if the angels can't reach him then they can't kidnap him

>>30342034
Y'know... that place is still unfriendly.

>>30342025
We don't have Ray of Darkness right now, though.

>>30342045
not the palace that only Donovan can open and close

>>30342034

Pretty much this.

Donovan should fly to Xile in the Noiralev until negotations are concluded by which I mean, Sandalfaggot throwing a huge tantrum that Flint is safe from kidnapping

In the meanwhile, we should free Hecate and get MP5 and complete our Shadow tree for the fucking bonus

>>30342027
No they couldn't we were pretty strong back then and we didn't even consider touching that thing.

SM, Just how strong ARE those Steelstone Titans?

>>30342027
It's only 10 stories high (36 meters). we have 81 cubic meters of space

Man i cant wait until the post game
theres going to be some fun stuff we can do

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Rolled 71

>>30342015
This is an accurate representation of Donovan's time at home

>>30342025
No, your not remembering right. Eclipse was active when we shot Raizel, so all of his resistance was negated and shadow magic had double power. SM specifically said that he had a lot of shadow resistance normally.

Is that magical mirror still down there?

Can we eat it?

>>30342060
we almost do

>>30342087
:]

Wait wait guys so what do we have to unlock in order to get to Order Immateria?

>>30342087
it might have melted but couldn't hurt to check

>>30342083
Oh yeah, then that's all the more reason to get Eclipse. All of the angels long built up Shadow resistance is for naught.

>>30342060
We had it during the fight because of the dynamo overload mode thing. It unlocks everything up to Eclipse for a few turns.

>>30342105
Physical Shadow tree.

>>30342071
We were pretty strong, I'll admit that. Compared to the Highest, though, we were a fucking baby. And the demon lords are apparently even stronger.

Also, a 36-meter height doesn't leave a lot of room for width and depth in an 81 cubic meter space, doesn't it?

>>30342087
Slag.

>>30342105
Not for a long long long time. and lots of PLOT probably.

>>30342105
The Physical Shadow tree (middle grey) is the only thing standing between us and OI.

61xp total cost to complete that tree.

Then Pure Darkness is another 20.

Then OI itself is 60.

So we need 141xp to unlock it. 106 more than we have now.

>>30342112
Yeah, I know we had it then. We don't have it now, though.

And IIRC, MP5 costs 25 EXP. The additional 7 EXP for Ray of Darkness would leave us unable to use Erasure.

>>30342122
....You don't understand cubic space do you?

>>30342143
Well, might as well start now.

>>30342105
First we need to get pure darkness.

To get that we have to finish the tree it's attacked to.

When we then buy pure darkness if ORDER isn't blue then we have to buy that resistance back in order to unlock it.

>>30342143
Well it's a good start.

If we can consume another angel we might get another 30 for the pot.

>>30342155
Yeah. Pure Darkness itself is really good. It lets us use all the abilities from the Physical Shadow tree even without actual shadows.

So if we had it, we coulda Shadow Dominated Metatron from behind the rock wall.

>>30342144
Using erasure to solve problems is extremely foolish anyway, and I support any expenditure of exp that will prevent people from foolishly doing it.

>>30342122
I would say Demon lord is about equal to 5th highest if they were both at full strength.

But in Army fighting Larger means much more combat capability. Ie: Golems. Not to mention Arcturius was impressed that Steward had them, AND our will be quite a bit stronger than a normal one. AND it will be Shadow + Earth which complement eachothers weaknesses nicely. Earth seems to resist fire and light quite well. And Shadow has beaten the Skysever many times.

>>30342069
>Donovan should fly to Xile in the Noiralev until negotations are concluded by which I mean, Sandalfaggot throwing a huge tantrum that Flint is safe from kidnapping
>In the meanwhile, we should free Hecate and get MP5 and complete our Shadow tree for the fucking bonus

There's also the idea that they may sacrifice one of their own angels with a sufficuently strong soul, with a new shal-kath, to finish the spell if they can't get to donovan.

still.

Our other option is to buy Impersonate, and use the mirror to 'report in' to Sandalphon.

>>30342148
Neither do you, apparently. Assuming that the Titan is 36 meters tall, that stretches the Pocket into a long, thin box or cylinder that's at most 2.25 meters wide.

>>30342175
3d33

>>30342180
We also could indefinitely regenerate Mana.

>>30342190
>Using erasure to solve problems is extremely foolish anyway, and I support any expenditure of exp that will prevent people from foolishly doing it.

Hey, it saved THE WORLD from Steward 002

Also this anon has the right of things
>>30342191
>But in Army fighting Larger means much more combat capability. Ie: Golems. Not to mention Arcturius was impressed that Steward had them, AND our will be quite a bit stronger than a normal one. AND it will be Shadow + Earth which complement eachothers weaknesses nicely. Earth seems to resist fire and light quite well. And Shadow has beaten the Skysever many times.

Figurng out how to *make* golems, and giving steward the ability to *produce new ones* is so fucking crucial to the war effort it trumps anything else.

>>30342155
If we started saving up now we would probably die before we got to it. we need help NOW. We just plain are not strong enough.

>>30342199
I'm sold.

>>30342192
>There's also the idea that they may sacrifice one of their own angels with a sufficuently strong soul, with a new shal-kath, to finish the spell if they can't get to donovan.
They considered using Angels, but something kept the spell from working with angels as the host for the Shel'Kath.

Otherwise Sandalphon would've just slapped it on one of his mooks ages ago and we'd be facing down Hyperion already.

>>30342192
>the mirror
Oh yeah.

We should eat that.

>>30342199
I think mana regen comes from the MPs, none of which are in the physical shadow tree.

>>30342190
How is it foolish? It's our ace in the hole.

>>30342192
Could that really work?

If it was that easy I'm pretty sure a large percentage of the angels would gladly die to bring back Hyperion, considering the high rate of suicidal tendencies.

>>30342192
SSandalphon said angel souls can't be used because their blessing fucks with it.

>>30342210
Saving? We'd be spending it on physical shadow tree

I hope you are happy SM, you have forced me to eat my secret candy stash to avoid raging with the fury of a thousand suns.

>>30342222
The mirror may well be slag, but I'd expect Metatron's ARMOR to have fared slightly better, considering its purpose.

That's probably a good candidate for eating.

>>30342195
You also do not understand that it isn't an actual "BOX"

It molds into every single crack, crevice, space and opening to the point where it won't take near the space as its height.

>>30342222
We regenerate Mana while in darkness. Guess what Pure Darkness does?

>>30342237
I downed 3qts of vanilla-choc swirl in the last four hours, first from excitement and then the text two from stress.

>>30342246
If that armor is still there it is going on the consume list.

ORDER here we come!

>>30342257
I hope it does what you're saying it does. I'm just doubtful.

>>30342253
You know what? Fuck this.

>>30341750
SM, can our Pocket as it is now hold the Heartstone Titan?

>>30342208
We can make Golems

>>30342235
The only thing worth buying is Army of darkness

>>30342266

three quarts of ice cream? christ

>>30342253
This is pointless, give it up. Hearthstone titan is a massive waste. CONSIDERING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FIVE OF THEM. And hat we would never use it in combat. We got our allies, one titan won't make any difference.

>>30342279
SM has a bad habit of not answering questions like this. He like our fighting. ;_;

>Pure Darkness - You can now use your shadow without a light source. Shadow attacks from stealth are just as strong as normal.
Apparently we've been incurring some damage penalty to stealth attacks. Wish that shit would go away fast. PD pls.

>Order Immateria: Physical attacks cannot harm you. Physical attacks with a magical component do only their magical damage. Significant bonuses to Shadow Attack, Light Magic Resistance, Stealth, and Magical Stealth.

>>30342257
Allows us to use our shadow for attacks and stealth in thelight

>>30342233
>>30342234

That doesn't mean there AREN'T more light mages they can use if flint is unavailable!

Also, yeah, eat metatron's armor and grab the mirror

>>30342305
>Apparently we've been incurring some damage penalty to stealth attacks. Wish that shit would go away fast. PD pls.
You weren't here form the beginning of the quest were you? he is talking about the shit we haven't using since before the first battle of EvinBrook. where we stab shit with our shadow.

>>30342310
....SM

How the fuck does that work? We become SNEAKY in LIGHT?
Like, I'm imagining this with my fried 1:30AM brain, some mote of shadow floating across a lightbulb scwaling "SNEAK SNEAK SNEAK" and everything doesn't feel like it should.

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Adavan won't wait forever

"Sandalphon was coming here himself not to negotiate," you say, "but to see it for himself. Wasn't he?"

Matthel shrugs. "I don't know."

"...why..." You close your eyes. "Why would you help slavers? Why would you help people who literally bottle up the souls of people they don't like and force them to obey their every command?"

"I didn't believe that when you first told me, and I don't believe it now."

"I was one of them," Ila says. "I experienced it firsthand. We couldn't tell anyone, because they commanded us not to. They had our souls, captive, torn from our bodies and kept in little jars in a sealed room under the city. Any of the other shadow mages will tell you the same."

"It's true, Matthel," Donovan says. "I was there. I saw the souls released myself."

"You're delusional," Matthel says. "Fooled by an angel with an agenda, and their illusions!" Matthel jabs an accusatory finger at Ila. "That's what they're best at, Donovan! Trickery! Traps, visions! You'd take the word of some shadow whore over your own brother?!"

You step forward to punch Matthel, and it seems like you're in a race with Donovan for the honor - but then, someone you don't expect beats the both of you there. Young Bull's arm, hairy, sharpened with claws, catches Matthel across the chin. Even as you watch, the hair melts away, and it returns to a normal human arm.

The werewolf leans over him and draws a long breath through his nose. "You're pathetic, and you smell it, too. If you so much as look at her again, you won't have to wait for you family to deal with you. I'll disembowel you myself."

Everyone is taken aback by the display - Ila, especially. Great Tree pulls Young Bull back up. "You had your hit. Now that's enough of that."

>con't

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In short order, one of Hemmelus's students shows up with a magical device - a heavy set of stone bracers, handcuffs that double as a means of cutting off someone's magical power. They're latched around Matthel's wrists, and he's hauled off to the dungeons under the castle town.

Arcturis turns to face all of you. "Sandalphon is coming. I wonder if we've pushed him too far."

Fang shakes his head. "...no. Not yet. He's not going to invade...but I'm not sure what his strategy will be. But as long as he has that sigil in his pocket, we're all in danger. Not just Donovan."

"You'll have a guard at all hours of the day and night," Arcturis says.

"Yeah." Donovan scratches the back of his neck. "I guess it's what we have to do."

"But he's going to show up at the gates," Obis says. "Do we let him in, hear him out? Turn him away? I mean...you don't just tell the Highest to go back home. He might be our enemy...but if we can convince him to postpone things until after the demons are dealt with, maybe we can use his strength."

You feel a hum in the air.

Steward halts his movements, frozen in place. Valeria places a hand on the wall and closes her eyes. Hemmelus frowns.

"...what is that?" Abigail asks.

The humming increases. It pulses. You can feel it.

brumm

Brummm

BRUUUMMMM

A wave of power rolls through the sky, through the air around you. Everyone is still.

It dies away.

"...that," Fang says, "is the summoning of the fourth demon lord."

"Fuck," Obis says.

"There's another question we need to ask ourselves," Auriel says. "Can we actually afford to turn Sandalphon away?"

"Can we afford not to?" Fang counters.

"We have to be careful he doesn't try anything...but we might need his strength."

"I have a theory," Vellik says. Everyone looks at him. "What...if Sandalphon is responsible for the demon lords?"

Valeria looks puzzled. "I'm afraid I don't follow, your grace."

>con't

>>30342373
>"I have a theory," Vellik says. Everyone looks at him. "What...if Sandalphon is responsible for the demon lords?"
Man, Obis isn't going to like THIS.

"It's the perfect excuse to bind nations together, fulfilling the Ring City's long term goal," he says. "A convenient backdrop to make us desperate enough to call for Hyperion."

"...it sounds too clever for Sandalphon," Fang says.

"Over the centuries he's had, you have the time to be clever once or twice."

"True. But even I'm not that insane."

"That's saying something," Obis mutters.

"I'm sorry," Fang says. "I didn't quite catch that."

"Nothing of importance, Archmage."

"I'm sure it wasn't."

Vaz Grak makes a low grumble in the back of his throat. "...I do not like this. Too much is coming together, too quickly. It feels...suspicious. And now...we must hurry."

"If we don't gather our forces and attack," Tae Wong, "we don't have the luxury of debating the point."

"We never had the luxury," Xu adds. "And now we have a week. Two, at best. They have four of the five."

"It feels like Sandalphon is holding too many cards," Arcturis says. "He's going to force our hand. And lingering in the background is the threat of that element-forsaken sigil!" He sighs. "But I don't think he'd be responsible for the demons. He fought them himself in the Shadow War, in the elementomachy. He knows better than to try to control them - it's been demonstrated to him first hand."

What do you do?

>consult with Adavan. Now is the time to reveal Hecate's presence under Jacob's Field
>reveal your alliance with the Black Lady. Vampiria's might can turn the tables.
>tell them that you are Erebus, and that your true power may be able to make the difference, if you can reach the isle in the Void
>some combination of the above
>some other strategy

>>30342392
>some combination of the above
Time to spill the beans

>>30342392
>some combination of the above

>>30342392
>>reveal your alliance with the Black Lady. Vampiria's might can turn the tables.

Also, ask for the elemental key of wind, but downplay what we know of them

>>30342392
Wow, that third option, no fucking way.

>>30342392
Hecate only. Melody is for Fang and Auriel to sell.

>>30342392
>some combination of the above

>>30342392
>consult with Adavan. Now is the time to reveal Hecate's presence under Jacob's Field
They have an elemnetal lord, so do we, it's best not to reveal all our cards just yet, guys.

>>30342414
>>30342412

You have to tell me what options you want, if you want more than one. I can't read your minds.

>>30342392
>>some combination of the above
everything except the Erebus bit.

>>30342392
All three. In that order.

>>30342392
> consult with Adavan.
However, do not reveal Hecate's presence to the others. The two of us should go and free Hecate immediately.

>>30342392
>consult with Adavan. Now is the time to reveal Hecate's presence under Jacob's Field
Jacob's field is also a main stronghold of the Kanians and a good place to strike at.

>>30342392
>consult with Adavan. Now is the time to reveal Hecate's presence under Jacob's Field
The Black Lady can be a dramatic pull when Sandelephon gets here, the Erebus thing does not help us at all here.

>>30342392
>>30342436
>>reveal your alliance with the Black Lady. Vampiria's might can turn the tables.

>>30342392
>consult with Adavan. Now is the time to reveal Hecate's presence under Jacob's Field
>reveal your alliance with the Black Lady. Vampiria's might can turn the tables.
only go full erebus reveal if we absolutely have to

>>30342392
>consult with Adavan. Now is the time to reveal Hecate's presence under Jacob's Field
>reveal your alliance with the Black Lady. Vampiria's might can turn the tables.

might as well start pulling out our aces