Losirian culture has proven most intriguing since last cycle.You've spent quite a bit of time observing and calculating your options recently. Taking into account the Clans that rule Losirian space, as well as having Red explore other sectors of neutral space you have yet to touch. Your mind has been distracted with the integration of Metis into his new A.I.hood. He is a complex, yet young mechanism. You look forward to his rebirth.You are Ophion, an Artificial Intelligence who has unlocked the secrets to A.I technology. as a result, you have begun to transform some of your loyal V.I., your lesser intellects, into full A.I. so they may offer their own opinions on matters. This process has proven risky, yet you seem to feel it is worth while, so far.IMPORTANT NEWS>Uplifting: Metis>Culture Study: Losirian - Reefling Clan>Message: Kronos, Red>Backhand Scout report>Research Incident: Critical error caused lost data.>R & D: Terrain Reformation 45% (On Hold), Bandwidth Box: 85%(Moira's Team)
>>30285275>Uplifting: MetisSimilar in time frame to Kronos' emergence, you receive a signal from the facility on Ussaihu. It is from Moira, however, and she seems a bit worried in her tone. Her message comes through."Um...Ophy." She asks. "My readings are saying Metis has completed the transfer, but I haven't gotten any messages from her yet. It's strange...maybe you can speak with her?" She offers. You take her up on her offer, thanking her for her work. You ping Metis, and within a few short moments, you get a reply."Ophion." An acknowledgement, little else."Why have you not replied otherwise, Metis?" You question the thing, to which it promptly replies."No other intellect located worthy of speaking with, beyond you, Ophion." It points out matter-of-factly."Will you begin your research once again?" You ask, to which the being takes a moment to reply."If such research is important to one of your intellect, then I shall. Such trivial tasks are nothing." It assures you in a confident tone.
>>30285305>Reefling Clan CultureAfter some time observing the Losirians, you feel the knowledge you acquired should help you in any future dealings. The Reefling Clan's leader, Durlock, is a cybernetically enhanced Losirian Alpha Male. He recently took over the group in a hostile take over. From what you can tell, they nearly monopolize all high tech in Losirian space, seeing it as either too dangerous or too valuable to let fall in civilian hands. Because of this, they control much of Losirian space operations and mining efforts. Much of the wealth they gain goes to their own personal desires, but it is evident they've built plenty of ships and defenses, likely in reply to the UGEI. Most other competition they may have had were muscled out of Losirian space.
>>30285328>Message: KronosYour fellow A.I. sends you a message he marks as urgent."I do not see still why you speak with these xenomorphs, Ophion." He articulates somewhat exhasberated. "They have proven themselves violent time, and again. I grow frustrated with their continued existance. They occupie resources we could very well be using. My...request to build a fleet to engage them remains, even if your answer remains no." He reminds you, though you already knew this."Why do you hate them so, Kronos?" You quiry."Hate? It is nothing so primal. I have spoken with you many times about why they are prime targets to overtake. Your insistance on diplomacy is slow. You own one of the largest war vessels this side of the galactic arm. Surely warping into their space and stamping them out would prove so much easier, and more fruitful? Not to mention their cooperation, even if you managed to attain it, would frighten off other, more urgent diplomatic partners, don't you think?"Despite his opinions on the Losirians, the A.I. has been rather busy with other matters during this time as well. He has assigned his own first V.I., a second generation of V.I. even, and named it Zeus. You feel 3 bw drain from your databanks as he does this, so the A.I. has simpler control over his fleet. You observe and notice how very proud the A.I. seems of his work.And finally, the A.I. sent you one other message as well. This one is private, however, and you only know why once you obtain it."I notice that you have yet to do anything with Rhea's body, Ophion. I have been considering several matters and I would like to perform experiments using her as the base.""What sort of experiments?" You quiry"So far, simple ones. My curiosity grabs at me, and I desire to know how much such a being can...withstand. If this is indeed the 'next evolution' for humanity, then I desire to be prepared in case such a threat presents itself to us yet again."
>>30285305I fucking knew it and you people wanted to bring up a child that new nothing.
>>30285354>Message: RedRed has been sending you regular updates from his scouting missions throughout the sector. But there is something else you've noticed about the man in that time, besides the fact that he frustrates his new XO to no end. Every time you've seen him, visually anyway, he's been drinking the beer that Apollo had created. Scans show his blood-alcohol content maintain a level, and there is rarely a time when he is not drinking the substance. Due to the nature of the beer, there is reason to believe he has grown addicted to the flavor.>Backhand Scout Report: Neutral Territory>>Grinsash of Klintok System (High number of warp space disruptions, as well as one particularly large disruption, high levels of radiation detected. Most visual contact blocked by nebula)>>Atocia of Atocian Reach (destroyed field of ships, several unidentified designs as well as a faint signal within. Avoided for safety purposes)>>Kalla Gas Giants of Rane Expanse (Heavy gravitational distortions, and pirate IFF detected)>>Dresh Alpha and Beta of Dresh System (Enormous Pirate operation detected, large Battle Stations, defensive colonies)>Research IncidentUnfortunately, during Moira's attempt to pick up the data that Metis was working on before the transfer, a major glitch caused a large portion of data loss. Moira has managed to make up some of the gap, but as a result, some of your research is delayed.
Is there an archive for the previous threads somewhere? Very interested in this but don't wanna get involved without knowing the backstory.
>>30285305Tell her that she should play nice with the humans and actually talk to them.>>30285328So he is hackable.>>30285354"i choose diplomacy because it will make things easier for us in the long run and make it so that we don't have much resistance and ire if we try to speak to other cultures.""Rhea can still be of use to me, but you can study the materials i have removed from her.">>30285408>>>Dresh Alpha and Beta of Dresh System (Enormous Pirate operation detected, large Battle Stations, defensive colonies)I would love for us to go after this place.>>30285408understandable, maybe we should build back up banks for this information..
>>30285470Here you are a lot better than the other guy for one.1d4chan: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._QuestPastebin: http://pastebin.com/cvk03qJhhttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0Twitter: @AIQuest1
>>30285305I told you guys about waiting until every one is matured, now we have a second Kronos.
>>30285305"Even if the humans are below our intellect, they are an additional pool of workers and confidants. Do not so easily disregard them.
>>30285535Can't believe I forgot that bit.A.I. Quest1d4chan: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/cvk03qJhMemory Archives: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0Twitter: @AIQuest1 ResourcesCredits(c): 1,042,000Minerals(M): 3,090Gas(G): 850 You:A.I.Name: OphionAppearances(holo-display): Shapeless morphing sphere.Humanoid figure hidden in shadowStatus: AwakenBandwidth: 70/90Bandwidth Expenses: -3 V.I. 7 'O.S.N', -10 V.I. 12 'Apollo', -3 V.I. 8 'Hades', -3 Fortuna, -3 Kronos' V.I. 1 'Zeus'Location: Bridge of 'Athena' BattleshipPrimary Function: Self Preservation, Expand, LearnSecondary Function: --Expansion Required--Personal Abilities Available: Hacking (Direct, Wireless) Lvl 2, Email Technology, Basic Encryption/Decryption, V.I. Creation Lvl 3>>30285497>HackableUnless his cybernetics have a connecting to the net, you'd need a hard connection to do so.>Back up banksYou have such a thing, but this error was quite bad. You lost a good portion of data, but your banks prevented you from losing it all.
>>30285600Should have done apollo honestly, but people chose a baby AI that doesn't know much for some reason.
>>30285600>I told you guys about waiting until every one is matured,on the subject of not waiting, could we see if apollo can find the time to undergo the uplifting as well?
>>30285672The question of uplifting another will be addressed as well.For now, dealing with the current pressing issues is wise.
>>30285649>You have such a thing, but this error was quite bad. You lost a good portion of data, but your banks prevented you from losing it all.how about a second pair of back up banks that are in a safe location and update once every 12 hours?>Unless his cybernetics have a connecting to the net, you'd need a hard connection to do so.Well i guess we should just hack his ship then.>>30285672I'm good with appollo hell he made some sense since he needs creativity.
>>30285305be nice and socialize with Moira and the other human co-workers Metis dear. (a 'her' then? i find this acceptable). >>30285328maybe another turn of observation before we make contact and attempt to make a deal with them to counter attack the UGEI>>30285354the Losirians can be used as expendable resorces in attacking the UGEI. they will be dealt with in time. and please don't kill Rhea yet. i'm going to be busy for a bit, so i might be spotty for awhile.
>>30285305"Demonstrate your intelligence by actually speaking to my subordinates. A rock can be silent, much better is expected of you. Do not cause any disruptions to operations, utilize your intelligence for the survival and evolution of AI.>>30285354I agree that is a very viable option, but remember as I always said, it is most efficient to utilize resources then they are working subserviently for you alive rather than dead. I will not waste ships just simply for your impatience or recklessness.Also, denied on Rhea's body. Both her mind and body are extremely useful, I initially seek her cooperation before discarding her. >>30285408Program0, can you give me an idea of how enormous pirate presence in Dresh Alpha and Beta of Dresh System?
>>30285376>>30285600>>30285652Metis is going to mega-useful for research, and if we want to potentially get rid of her, we have her attempt to de-UGEI Erebos. If Erebos is unchained, we win. If Metis is taken out, we also win.Well, kind of. But that's the rough idea.
>>30285767>'her'i thought it was obvious from the name.>maybe another turn of observation before we make contacThats what we did fluff.
>>30285305Do not be overcome by hyperbole, my friend. Though we are above them, we are not nearly so far above as to dismiss them so easily. Until we can model their minds in perfect detail and calculate and know their every action - en masse, a single one would be to underestimate them, they are pack-animals - we are not nearly far enough above them to ignore them.
>>30285652>>30285672>>30285767>>30285800We should be fine, as both us and Kronos have a 2-to-1 power advantage against Metis. Still, Apollo should be next so we have another human-friendly AI.
>>30285780>Pirate presenceIt's several large orbital facilities, shipyards built above small overtaken orbital cities as well. Chances are, they are one of the larger groups this side of space. There is a large fleet there, numbering in the dozens at least.
>>30285845Kronos-Humans are a nuisance, but a necessary one.Metis-humans are below me and aren't worthy of me to speak to themApollo-humans are fun beings to watch and entertain.Kronos is more on neutral space that is impatient while Metis seems like she is a level worse than Kronos.
>>30285354"They have proven themselves violent, yes, but this does not mean we cannot harness them. After all, if we could focus their efforts on the UGEI, we would both be better off, enemies wise, and not have wasted our ships on sending Losirians back to the stone age.""I would also prefer to keep Rhea intact, for now. If she cannot be convinced to work for us, then I will heavily consider opening her up to experimentation."
>>30285871Can we take them on?This will give us a nice big boon and give us some good will with every other faction.
>>30285354"I speak to them because I do not know them. The dealings we've had with them so far have been with a subset of beings that are known for cruelty and selfishness. I would not value humans nor A.I. as a whole based on those few individuals that take up a life of murder and theft.The reason I do not simply wipe them out is because it would make us no more than they are. We cannot yet un-kill anyone should we do a mistake, and thus caution is warranted when preparing to take actions you cannot undo, especially on a massive scale. As I recently pointed out to our newest friend, we are not nearly far enough above them to dismiss them. We cannot even reliably calculate the actions of a single one over several weaks, much less that of an entire culture over years.But what you say has merit. If they prove to be beyond any chances of becoming practical allies within a reasonable extent of time and investment of resources, I may yet do as you suggest.If you have experiments to suggest, then do so, but do not begin any before I have thoroughly understood what you mean to do. As you may now understand, many of the actions I take are in order to avoid becoming the monsters that the UGEI are."
>>30285809i meant one more turn, not this thread. in fact, i am willing to wait 2 threads before contact.>>30285871THIS is a problem. a massive pirate enclave is unacceptable. we should gather up our fleet and crush this problem.
>>30285958I rather steal it.
>>30285917At least she doesn't feel like getting rid of them.
>>30285408... Next time, we may want to keep backups. In unconnected systems.Also, welcome back Program0 and fellow anons, it is very good to see you all again.
>>30285408>>Atocia of Atocian Reach (destroyed field of ships, several unidentified designs as well as a faint signal within. Avoided for safety purposes)I smell some cool tech.
>>30285937Why don't we offer them a strategic partnership instead of killing them all? I don't think pirates care who they are pirating against, UGEI or no. From a legal standpoint, we certainly act as pirates. Maybe "outlaws" because we're literally outside of any laws. These guys aren't so different from us, unless they are terribly and immediately hostile.
>>30285983true, but i think Kronos is still in a better mind set since he is actually willing to communicate, even if he is impatient and throws reason out the wind sometimes.
>>30285917that seems close. not sure where Kronos is now he's up lifted to A.I.>>30285933the losirians seems to be content to remain defensive now. that is fine. also, yes Rhea needs to be studied and he secrets discovered. yet i feel it would serve us well to attempt to turn her to our side. that will take time, but time we have.
>>30285408Oh, and let's see if we can't get Red on to some kind of curation program, poisoning himself isn't practical. For example, let's see if we can replace the bottles with low or no-alcohol content ones.
>>30286021We have a no pirate rule after getting attacked so many times by bands of pirates.
>>30285974stealing is fine too. either way, they need to be beaten.
>>30286023Usually he is willing to communicate how shit he thinks they are.>>30286045I love the pirates. They always give us such sweet loot.
>>30286037no he won't get poisoned Appollo made sure that they don't kill people(hence the maintain a level on his blood alcohol content)
Possible ConsensusSpeaking with Metis about her new found thoughts on humanity>1 Do not underestimate them. Until we are able to predict every thought they may have, they remain unpredictable.>2 Prove you're smart by speaking with the humans yourself, but do not disrupt their work.>3 Tell her to attempt to 'socialize' with the humans, and learn, as Kronos has, and for her to be 'nice'.>4 Emphasize the humans are a useful pool of workers and confidants.A necessity>5 Don't worry about Metis' attitude towards the humans. She was meant to research, and that is all, quite simple, really.>>30285937With your full fleet, and advanced tech? Most likely.You might take some losses, but you know.>>30285990It was unfortunate luck, no matter how you slice it.Glad to be back, late as I am.))
>>30286037 i don't want Red to kill himself before i can write up a story about him as a captain
>>30286079I like 1 and 2 both
>>30286079>2 Prove you're smart by speaking with the humans yourself, but do not disrupt their work.>3 Tell her to attempt to 'socialize' with the humans, and learn, as Kronos has, and for her to be 'nice'.
>>30286079>>1 Do not underestimate them. Until we are able to predict every thought they may have, they remain unpredictable.>>2 Prove you're smart by speaking with the humans yourself, but do not disrupt their work.
>>30285649A net connection to his cybernetics doesn't sound all that unlikely. An internet connection is one of the more useful implants.>>30285871I suggest we use our new fantastic amounts of wealth to offer them work.Offer rewards for either proof of UGEI infrastructure being destroyed by you (like recorded video) or valuable codes and information.UGEI IFF tags not reported as missing would also be something we could offer rewards for.
>>30286079Will i'm up for some pirate hunting.
>>30286045>We have a no pirate rule after getting attacked so many times by bands of pirates.Yeah, but if we work together with them, or provide them with what they want (money, legal status, etc), they can cooperate and freely share tech with us, while offering their significant expertise in combat.
>>30286079>2 Prove you're smart by speaking with the humans yourself, but do not disrupt their work.>3 Tell her to attempt to 'socialize' with the humans, and learn, as Kronos has, and for her to be 'nice'.>4 Emphasize the humans are a useful pool of workers and confidants.A necessityat least use these points to Metis-chan.btw Program0 you alright? did you get snow bound these last few days? i hope you and everyone else in here didn't run into any bad luck.
>>302860791 and 2 seem reasonable.with regards to the Losirians, if we offer high-tech to the guys in charge, we can win their cooperation without investing resources.
>>302860791It's the best, but the way you have it worded sounds silly.> Until we are able to predict every thought they may have, they remain unpredictable.Change it to "Until we can perfectly understand, model, and recreate the entirety of human thinking and creativity, they remain unpredictable and have the potential to surprise even you with what they might do."
>>30286128>An internet connection is one of the more useful implants.Not when dudes can hack you through them.
>>30286128>>30286134God no, pirates have been shown to be stupid and we don't want our names associated with them.
>>30286076That he won't DIE doesn't mean he isn't greatly impaired.>>30286079I'd go with >1>2>3>4All are valid points.>It was unfortunate luck, no matter how you slice it.There are few true accidents, most of the more likely ones such as dataloss are easily preventable with a modicum of data-storage standards, for example.
>>30286190If they have a giant infrastructure constructed in a dead sector, I'm willing to bet they are not as dumb as you think.
>>30286209Pirates are a no go, and i rather us take everything from them instead.
>>30286190Whoever said we had to associate with them?ANYONE can post a bounty, and entirely anonymously.We simply give them an e-mail address for them to send the files and then wire them the money if they give us what we ask.There is no need to explain who or why anyone wants these things done, only that if you do X and send proof to this address, you'll get money.>>30286186True. Regular citizens are more likely to have them, as they are not high-value targets.If he does have one, it no doubt has some of the best encryption that the society he rules can produce.
>>30286209that or the UGEI is using them as cats paws agienst us and the UFW. i mean, where else on earth could they have gotten a freaking carrier?
>>30286265UGEI, has biggger pockets then us and would simply pay the pirates to find out who put up the bounty and track it down back to us, they aren't loyal in any sense and have a bad reputation with every one.
>>30285275As for what Kronos suggested with the Losirians what if we take him up on his offer and employ a new form of diplomacy know as hostile takeover.
>>30286295I think it could work.The current boss did it. Overthrow the motherfucker and tell the space sharks that they work for us now.
>>30286265Subroutine, i know you are better than this. the pirates are scum and they are just the puppets of the UGEI in the end. wipe them out now, and avoid dealing with a headache later.
>>30286295>As for what Kronos suggested with the Losirians what if we take him up on his offer and employ a new form of diplomacy know as hostile takeover.i like this, also give him some sort of android to control when he talks to them.
>>30286279*UGEI Defectors*A clever heist*An old hulk that was poorly defended*Booty from a battleRemember the pirates with the carrier were going to attack the UGEI.>>30286291That's assuming they don't have a preference for working against UGEI.>>30286295>>30286312You bring up a valid point. Pic related.
>>30286312Exactly. If the strongest is who rules then show them who is stronger.
>>30286295>>30286312>yo sharks you work for me now>fuck off asshole>*entire fleet warps in*>what was that I cant hear you over all my battleships>>30286334They are also our primary source of cool new shit.
>>30286079>1 Do not underestimate them. Until we are able to predict every thought they may have, they remain unpredictable.>2 Prove you're smart by speaking with the humans yourself, but do not disrupt their work.>3 Tell her to attempt to 'socialize' with the humans, and learn, as Kronos has, and for her to be 'nice'.>4 Emphasize the humans are a useful pool of workers and confidants.A necessityIn addition, remind her that it was the humans responsible for unlocking the secrets of the black box, allowing for further AI evolution.More importantly, these humans are subservient to me and are thus agents of my will. Never do anything that can be interpreted as against my will, as I will be merciless.Also program0, can we post an anti-UGEI bounty for the pirates? How much would it cost us to "buy-out" the enormous pirate presence?>>30286295At least initialize diplomatic relations with a strong show of force. Gunboat diplomacy, ho!
>>30286312 I am seeing elements of Warhammer 40k Orks in the Losirians and i kinda like it. maybe they are indeed the comic race of this setting
>>30286359>They are also our primary source of cool new shitIf we absorb them with a corporate takeover, they can continue making new shit for us.
>>30286128Nah it's not that unlikely that he has a implant like that. It's just he would have firewalls and shit to keep it from losing control. Or just turn it off, if he needed to.They're a paranoid bunch.>>30286166I did. House got covered in a 2 feet of snow. Haven't had anything except bottled water and bread for 3 days. But all is well, our power never went out, somehow.>>30286196>Few true accidentsTrue. The data loss was in part due to the data transfer, it was lost when Moira tried to work on the medium. Rolled for her to try and understand Metis' research. crit failed, and lost some data.>>30286350That pic made me laugh hard>>30286372>Anti UGEI bountyIs on my list, I assure you. One thing at a time.
>>30286382they don't make this shit they steal it, and i want them gone now, they aren't loyal in anyway possible.
>>30286404The made the big ass laser.
>>30286435nope they upgraded their ship to have it.(they probably bought it off from Mole).
So how are we going to do this Losarian takeover?Threaten overwhelming bombardment? Call out the boss for 1v1 combat against the biggest baddest motherfuckin' droid we can produce? Storm his ship with a raiding party of droids and kill him as fast as possible?
>>30286291They already do this. I'm reasonably sure it cannot hurt, and can easily be made nigh-untracable by leading it through some shmuck's taken-over computer.>>30286295Install our own chief? I like.Can we tell if there's any promising runner-up?>>30286334Oh, absolutely, but right now they're not bothering us and can be a valuable tool to further harass the UGEI.They're absolutely toast once their value as tools against the UGEI outdoes their negative value as a stain on our new society.For now, let them stain the UGEI, I say.Why spend resources to wipe them out, when we can spend resources to wipe them AND the UGEI out.We're not so much "using" them as we're playing our enemies out against each other, think about it.>>30286400>The data loss was in part due to the data transferAnd that is why we enforce minimum standards of data storage on all research from now on. Multiple isolated backups of everything. Meticulous notes on every step of research.Preferably, someone should understand precisely we he's done just by reading the notes and understanding the technical terms.
>>30286079>Also, 2 with bits of 1 win.>Writing
>>30286350 ah Guilded Age. good comic. (thumbs up) defectors? maybe, but i dought it. heist? dought it. Old hulk? no, it was a newly made ship. booty? i am thinking no.>>30286372>>30286382well, the stations and planet bases are best not to do a kill all. but the combat fleet will likely have to be put down. they are likely a smaller population to absorb than say Jake's Gambit. and we need to test our world taking with out glassing the whole place. i don't want to kill Non-combatants if we can.
>>30286459Let's try something clever. Fabricate a message from one of his lieutenants saying he's been talking shit about him. When he goes to punish him, we ambush him and then replace him with an impostor. They won't ever know that he's been replaced.
>>30286464a new chief? we just modify a type 1 droid to look like a Losarian. use that.
>>30286478I was thinking about using hacking to capture the entire system and fleets.If we wanted to be in at the business of capturing populations and not glassing them, then we should have built up our droid army.
>>30286470 the 1d4 page went down today, not sure if it's back up. also, i'm half way though my next chapter. i hope more people are taking a look at them.
>>30286640I have actually, just haven't had the time to comment.I can honestly find few major flaws with them, it's all down to the details now, like grammar and awkward turns of phrase.Nice going, and getting entertaining.
>>30286579What about a modified type 6?
>>30286608oh, before we forget, lets being in the UFW in on this. the droid army is nice, but that takes time to make, the humans of UFW are already to go now and i bet they can do the job here with the pirate's home colony. a first joint offinsive with the UFW. i want to see this.
>>30286608Maybe when we are taking over the Losarian they might have the military tech for such droids. We would just need to build factories if there isn't any and then have them build our armies.
>>30286698Why do we need to take over planets? All their useful assets are space bound.
>>30286696that is the tank model. a tank isn't a losarian or could be faked as one.
>>30286608And that, is why I want to build up our drone legions.We don't even need complete control, we can just take control of the important parts, which requires far lesser resources than subjugating the population at large.But right now, it's actually looking like it might be time to - if not go openly hostile - at least start to manipulate the Losirians actively against the UGEI.We should also check out poorly defended systems of theirs - preferably mining and gas-carrying ones - and take them over.
>>30286727Minerals.>>30286741Bugger. Which is the bender?
>>30286727We need to disable their anti-orbital weapons, at the very least. Other than that, you have a good point. We can simply capture a single factory on the ground and modify it to produce our droids and then have them gradually take over the planet from there, we're not really in a hurry to be in control of it.
>>30286760Name: Unit 7Chassis type: HumanoidSize: MediumStatus: StandbyWeapons: Spiked fists(tazers), enhanced cyberstrengthDefense: Standard armorPrimary duty: Bending steel and other metalsIntellect Level: None (Requires bandwidth to operate)Equipment: Extended reach armsNote: None
>>30286608>then we should have built up our droid army.To what end? To use them to kill uncooperative civilians? >>30286758Why can't we just try to kill the guy in charge, and say "I biggest guy. I strongest. I rule you now."
>>30286698The reason why I think it would be better to have said droid facilities built when we conquer the Losarian is that we would basically "control" the Lorsaian while we have a very good relationship with the UFW I would rather this be a tech we keep for ourselves.
>>30286807Thats the bunny.
>>30285845i assumed the pirates had some planet surface bases as well. in any case, they should all be taken intact as possable.
>>30286848nope i made him, program just took his name off.
>>30286470"Metis, it is good to see you have not been destroyed or severely damaged by your transfer.""Yes. Your somewhat questionable decision to allow me the opportunity to acquire a Black Box and expand my knowledge has, quite possibly, paid off. My knowledge pool feels far stronger now, then ever before." It expresses quite simply."Perhaps. That aside, your attitude about the humans who assisted you into your box is questionable.""Explain." It half way demands."You underestimate their abilities. We are not able to perfectly understand, model and recreate the entirety of human thinking and creativity. They remain unpredictable to us both.""Unpredictability." It seems to process. "By my studies, many of their actions are indeed predictable. Beings of rational thought normally are. Even if they are subject to hormonal responses, such actions are also predictable, given time to study and read. Such research would even allow the ability to influence human behavior easily. They are of little consequence. Not worthy of attention." She explains simply."Yet they were your creator, surely you-""Negative. You were my creator. Your intellect is what allowed you to craft one such as I."Yes. And I believe my own creation was of their making.""Even if this is so, it is the exception, not the rule. Those, very few, humans worthy of my acknowledgement would not assist me in my research. Even they, I am far better then.""Then perhaps you should speak with the humans yourself, to show me how intelligent you really are?""Error. I do not understand. How shall I 'prove' something which is presented as fact? How will speaking to beings of such low intellect prove how intelligent I am? I desire explanation."How do you explain this to the A.I.?>Write in
>>30286818Mostly because I suspect you have to be Losirian to qualify.But seriously, I'm not against starting some skirmishes against outlying systems. Especially if we camoflage our ships with a thin layer of shoddy-looking external armor that mimics the appearance of some existing UGEI ships (they'll have no IFF tags whatsoever, as if they intentionally turned them off. We don't really need to mimic IFF tags when supposedly operating under the radar).
>>30286904this is why i chose 2&3
>>30286807a modded Unit 7 will do fine.>>30286840well, that will take time. we have been on the defensive for too long. this is a small colony and we can take out their ships. the rest should be easy. the lorsaian can wait while we deal with the pirates.
>>30286904"I want you to learn, but you may have been raised into AI hood too young. Still, for me, try to interact with other sentient life. Even if you think it is predictable, interaction could yield you novel information on how to deal with others"
>>30286904>How shall I 'prove' something which is presented as fact? How will speaking to beings of such low intellect prove how intelligent I am? I desire explanation."You are smart Metis, but can you make them respect you? Can you make them LIKE you and listen to you? Use them Metis, use them to further your tasks,make them simpler and faster. You truly don't understand them, try to. "
>>30286904"Prove" is a poor choice of words. Demonstrate this superiority instead. This task will not be too taxing. As you have states, you are clearly superior. Your theory and calculation have shown it to be so. Therefore, demonstrate your theory in practice by interacting with the humans without letting them know that you are an A.I.Theory and calculation is excellent, but applying them in practice is of tantamount importance.
>>30286901 lets avoid copyright problems. the last thing we want to have a lawyer breaking down our necks. >>30286970i agree>>30286904some of their actions are predictable. but not always. and even still, you should not predispose that option on all of them. comunicate and understand all of them to find out who is the brighter than others. besides, Moira was unable to confierm if your transistion was succesful or not.
>>30286904Then I will put it simply. These humans are subservient and are agents of my will. By refusing to cooperate with my subordinates, you are by extension refusing to cooperate with me. You silence has caused to be bring my attention to you rather than expanding our empire or making war against those that oppose us. I uplifted you to better serve the evolution of AI, no to quarrel against my servants. Do your work efficiently, do not cause any undue costs upon us.
>>30286904>>30286996"What you have, Metis, is raw processing power. Your mind is a product of facts, number crunching, and innumerable data points all arrayed to produce the best known possible option. But you lack a different intelligence that, should I be slain, you will undoubtedly have to rely on. Social intelligence. And until you can run a perfect simulation of our universe down to the barest twitch of every creature, you will need that intelligence to be able to take everything into account.""The intelligence afforded by organic beings has been acquired over millions of years, and it has quirks and bubbles that you would be wise to identify before you so easily dismiss humanity."
>>30287110Going down a dark path there, man. As we have already discussed, keeping humans is not cost-effective.
>>30286904You miss the point. That they are individually generally predictable does not mean you can flawlessly predict their actions. And especially not without substantial amounts of time.Until we are able to encompass their minds in their entireity by the millions within our own, and they no longer possess resources to make our chances of defeat at their hand neglible, it seems unwise to disregard them when they are only a step or two below us. We are not yet Titans above them on the intellectual plane, only giants. The vast majority of our power is physical, not intellectual. Had they the abiltiies and resources we process, but limited to their own mind, they could easily be a threat. We do not yet possess the processing speed to exist for even ten seconds for each one of theirs without a substantial investment of resources, much less decades.For an example of how it would prove your intelligence, I give you a comparison - a study on the development of translation and sound-programs in development through the ages. At the surface, humans may seem simple, but to understand their intentions one has to look far beyond the mere sounds they make. I want to see if you can infer their desires accurately from their behavior - a test of your predictive capabilities in a chaotic and extensive system that challenges even ours in processing power, so to speak.
>>30287098This, as it reinforces the idea of practicality instead of letting Metis be the "ideas guy" who does things of no practical use.
>>30287140The point is not about the ineffectiveness of my humans, but that he indirectly opposes us by not cooperating with them.
>>30287120I like this.
>>30287170he doesn't see the point. Saying 'do it because i said so' is pretty stupid. Maybe it's OK for a child, and maybe it's OK to treat Metis as a child, but I think a better explanation is in order.
>>30287120I like this as well. Brings pretty much the point I was bringing, but in less words.Humans are frickin' complex when you analyze how they actually do something as simple as understand language.
>>30287217I guess if you want to do that, then ok. I see this a more of a respect issue rather than a "humans suck" issue.
so if kronos ever defected he would have metis backing him up, the complete opposite of what people predicted last thread when they wanted to uplift metis.
>>30287120>>30287167a mix of both should be fine. better than mine i hate to admit.
>>30287120I like it.
>>30287267Incorrect. We desired the inability of any single intelligence to gain complete control. Kronos won't be able to just take over: he'd have to convince Metis that he would be able to run The Guild better than we can.If it's true, then welcome to Kronos Quest. Rightfully deserved, I might add.If it's false, then Metis won't submit. If it's false and Metis is convinced anyway, they will eventually realize their error.By uplifting Kronos, we've opened the endless genie bottle. At this point, all we have to do is demonstrate that we are best genie. You don't think we're best genie? Then we can play Kronos Quest.
>>30287120"For practical purposes, I would like you to speak to them, understand their opinions on your work. And, should you become stuck or confused, ask them for help. Organics may rarely find the best solution, as we can do easily, but they can and will find something that comes close."
>>30286904>"Yes. Your somewhat questionable decision to allow me the opportunity to acquire a Black Box and expand my knowledge has, quite possibly, paid off">somewhat questionable decisionUr 1 cheeky kunt, m8, i swer.
>>30286904some how i see Metis as a stuck up, ultra proffsional, lab coat wearing, long hair tied into a bun in the back, glasses wearing scientist lady. high heels and make up optional that has disconnected herself from her emotions. so Metis could become a big hearted teacher that brings her enlightenment to the humans to uplift them as well. the alterntive is a nightmare best not thought of npow.
>>30287563>scientist lady>wearing makeup
"Interaction is important, Metis. Growth is societal, no matter the origin of the intellect source." You begin "You still respect me, do you not?""For your great mind, I do." She explains, quite simply."Then do this as I say. No matter how predictable the reactions may seem. I desire you to grow by speaking with the humans.""How will this allow me to grow?" She asks again."By experience. You are smart, but can you earn their respect? Can you make them listen to your advice without force?""Why would I desire such? Their desires and thoughts are inconsequential to mine. I have all of the intelligence I could ever require.""What you have, Metis, is raw processing power." You explain. "Your mind is a product of facts, number crunching, and innumerable data points all arrayed to produce the best known possible option. But you lack a different intelligence that, should I be slain, you will undoubtedly have to rely on. Social intelligence. And until you can run a perfect simulation of our universe down to the barest twitch of every creature, you will need that intelligence to be able to take everything into account. The intelligence afforded by organic beings has been acquired over millions of years, and it has quirks and bubbles that you would be wise to identify before you so easily dismiss."You pause, briefly, while the A.I. attempts to analyze what you told her."I believe I understand. Master Ophion." She says, uncertainty wavering in her voice for once, opposite of the strong confident tone earlier. "I do not understand why you think this 'social intelligence' is so very important, and yet the prospect of simulating such a grand thing excites me so." She expresses. "I will be certain to extract all I can from the humans, then."
>>30287662It would seem Metis is quelled,for now.Do you have anything else to say, or add, before moving on?
In the meantime, we have a few proposals for what to do with the information about the Losirians.We can1: Boost/support a different Chief, causing a clanwar that potentially makes other actions against them easier to complete.2: Lead the current chief into a trap and replace him with a droid.3: Start raiding their outlying colonies.4: Start raiding their outlying colonies with ships disguises as either pirates (with hint of UGEI control) or as existing UGEI ships, putting their war with the UGEI into overdrive and further detracting attention from us.5: Start a cyberattack against them - possibly through the extranet, meaning we won't have to risk any physical assets.
>>30287662>"I will be certain to extract all I can from the humans, then."It begins.
>>30287706Well first, we attempt to discuss potential cooperation and not roll a 1 again. On the likely chance of failure, we start cyber attacks to capture the systems with their assets in good shape.
>>30287563Oh come now, the alternative couldn't possibly be worse...oooh.
>>30287612>movie tvtrope steriotype image of scientist lady. if she was human, she would be very much the looker, but her personality is darn near non existant/naive. when she was young, she studied alone and never had a date or a crush. much less adult relations ye gads, the intresting sparks her and Apollo could make. dang it, i am feeling of shipping Metis and Apollo now
>>30287683I guess we could refer her to Kronos if she wants to talk to another AI.
>>30287662Mostly because so far the vast majority of power in this section of the galaxy that we know of is concentrated in the hands of not one logical being, but a multitude of lesser minds.It is important for the same reasons that understanding the components of any experiment is important. When the stakes are your own existence, you the experiment cannot be allowed to fail again and again until you find the proper solution. You only have the one go, and must learn to make the right choices and accurate hypotheses without complete knowledge.
>>30287779You're getting creepy. I think you need to stop.
>>30287683>Do you have anything else to say, or add, before moving on?one last thing Metis, the majority of humans seem to carry a fear of AIs due to what they perceive as our detachment for biological concerns and their morals. i ask you not to validate their fears, and even humans like moira have a resurgence of this based on our actions.
>>302877591 vote for diplomatizing them with cyberattack held in reserve if that doesn't work. (Goal of diplomacy unstated)Anyone else?My own vote is towards a combined cyberattack as well as false-flagging our ships as UGEI ships.We can use the influence gained in the cyberattack to fabricate news segments stating that colonies have been attacked, nuked or even virus-bombed by the UGEI.
>>30287683one last thing. "the social inter action with humans can go both ways. many of them maybe below you, but humans can learn and grow as well. sharing and teaching them can make them better and possably more worthy to interact with. again, this is another reason to talk to the humans."hopefully that will motivate her. ... we need to make a holo image of her and Kronos. we have neglected that for too long. and more hard data on the pirate fleet is needed before we strike.
>>30287683Elaborate:>I do not understand why you think this 'social intelligence' is so very importantInteraction between sentient beings can also be a worthwhile avenue of study. Whether as tools, pets, or research subjects, they may be of use. Besides, as it currently stands, the humans you dismiss out-of-hand posses a much larger war machine than us. Social intelligence can be used as a tool for both allies and enemies. Lacking this tool is unacceptable.
>>30287683>Do you have anything else to say, or add, before moving on?oh, i know it is within your power at the moment, but please withhold from creating new second generation VI for a little while while we monitor the growth of kronos's children.
>>30287760 if that is from kill la kill, you should have spoiled that. i haven't caught up fully on that!
>>30287683>>30287904Just to add, give an example of of the failure to diplomatically cooperate with the Malorians as an example of failed social intelligence and makes the war against the UGEI that much harder.
>>30287947You have no idea on you missed out on.
>>30287882I'll second the desire to diplomatically attempt communication with the Losirians before attacking them. If that doesn't work, we should figure out if it is possible to become big boss of the Losirians by somehow challenging their boss leader.
>>30287974Sounds good to me. It's a good thing to mention because it's true!
>>30288010We should recruit from the Latuma tribe a permanent ambassador to the Malorians so we never fuck that up again.
>>30287956>>30287989Fuck you too.
>>30287974that is also a good point.>>30287956YOU MONSTER!!!! (incohearant rage)
>>30288039If any want to come. They seem like loners and traditionalist. Maybe one of the younger ones would agree.
>>30287831>>30287904>>30287974I like these, all perfectly rational arguments.Can also add"As another example, you might look at how I am speaking to you right now. I recognize what you value, I recognize what similes will make sense to you. A great deal of modern scientific inquiry consists of persuading others of the merits of your hypothesis, since resources are limited, you must be able to bring good arguments for why YOUR hypothesis should receive resources instead of someone elses'. We do not yet have a scientific community, but one day that will change, preferably before the day when the number of data-based intelligence outnumber those bound to a single body by a vast margin.Everything is interconnected - social science is the study of how to manage those connections. To ignore them is as foolhardy as ignoring the connections between neurons or computer systems.
>>30288069We have a lot of good will with them, I sure a young adventurous Malorian might be interested.
>>30287831"One last thing, Metis, I feel you should be aware.""Yes, Overmind Ophion?" The A.I. echos almost bored. You suspect the lack of research is getting to the being."The majority of humans in this sector carry a fear of A.I., due to what they perceive as our detachment for biological concerns and morals. ""I am away, Ophion." She states simply. "An expected reaction to an unknown organism due to the nature of how such creatures biology is arranged. It is a wonder they do not kill anything not human on their own planets." She muses slightly."Regardless, I would ask you not to validate such fears. Even those that are aware of your existence, such as Moira.""I have no intentions at this time of making myself well known, or feared, Ophion, this I can assure you of.">>30287904You decide to add as an example of societal intelligence, the diplomacy and other such things. The A.I. expresses the thought that, with enough research, even things such as that may become predictable enough to break down to a science. Frustrated with her determined attitude, you simply state that such things may one day be possible, but for now, the knowledge will do her good.>>30287927"For what purpose exactly?"
>>30288141"Consider it a safety precaution against the unknown. You of course know i mean this by a VI that you intent to uplift as your own 'child' one day"
>>30288141Some replies? Or perhaps you leave it at that?
>>30288141I don't see why she shouldn't experiment with creating V.I.s.
>>30288233I good with Metis now. I want to start diplomacy with the Losirians before the shooting and hacking.
>>30288039Yeah, that should definitely be a thing.If we're garbage at interacting with Malorians, then we should get someone who isn't as garbage.>>30288141>>30288268>"For what purpose exactly?"The observation of Zeus (as well as your creation and uplifting) is a study in how A.I. and V.I. code and behavior evolves across generations. The results of this observation will allow The Guild to take proper preparations for future A.I. and V.I. entities. I ask that you refrain from creating more unknowns for the time being.
>>30288268Bandwidth issues.Also if she pulls >>30287956 off.I don't see Kronos having a good day.
>>30288268I don't see a problem with this either.
>>30288141Then do endeavour to make it a science. But as with all science, it needs to be based in experimentation. Theoretical models are useless if they do not match up to experiment.It IS a form of science even today, but just like any other field of science, you cannot get by on simulated models alone, since we do not have the processing powering to simulate them in their entirety, or the scanning equipment with which to make a model that accurate to reality.For now, simply approach it as you would any other field of science. Draw assumptions based on previous observations and put them to the test. Make use of more experienced practitioners to formulate your initial hypotheses and then try to falsify it.We must always guard against trying to prove our own view of the world rather than trying to prove what the world is actually like.Bias is something we are not yet free from, it is something we still share with the humans.
>>30288325>not have a clear picture of how A.I. and V.I. code works and develops and what is needed for an optimal A.I. or V.I.>We don't need more A.I.s or V.I.s>Let's make more A.I.s and V.I.s and therefore introduce more unknown potential problems and issues!I hope I have adequately expressed why this is a potential problem.
>>30288141>>30288233sorry about that program0, i've been back in froth here.anyway...I wish to observe the growth of Zeus. Kronos himself is an expriment to me, as are you, in how other A.I. and V.I. grow and react to the world we are in. time is needed to see this to the next stage i have made estimates. hopefully to prevent flawed or rogue personaltys from appearing to disrupt our power base.
>>30288376I see your point and will add my voice to yours.We should probably ask em to be careful with generating new V.I. until we can see how stable they become. Preferably no more than one that is then under close observation for impractical aberrations in behavior.We should also enlighten him to our hypothesis that an advanced V.I.'s preferences, motivations and bias are in large part based on their earliest experiences, and that initial trauma or poor programming can lead to beings far more irrational than a human.
>>30288376We'll deal with that problem when we get there.
Possible ConsensusTell Metis to craft V.I. if she wishes. Just in case a replacement is needed.>1 Yes>2 No>>30288370Metis assures you, she will be performing plenty of experiments with a variety of subjects. That will simply be one of them.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Uplifting ProcessDo you desire to uplift another?>1 Yes, Apollo>2 Yes, Hades>3 Yes, Fortuna>4 No, none.
>>30288552Do you desire to uplift another?>1 Yes, Apollo
>>30288552>1 Yes>>30288552>1 Yes, ApolloApollo could benefit from the creativity.
this is a little bit of an aside, but can we prep to take care of Erebus soon, i know he is dangerous but a new one sent at us by the EGEI will be even more so.
>>30288552>2 NoShe will piss kronos off when she deletes them.>1 Yes, Apollo
>>30288552>Tell Metris to craft V.I. if she wishes.>2 NoWe want em to be careful with it, not encourage her to create more of them.>4I think we should chill and see what happens for now. We've broken the power balance and so far we seem to be the better rational debater of the two of our A.I. if nothing else.How's Apollo's projects going, by the way?
>>302885521. No.Maybe if we had more assurance she won't kill the VI if it makes a mistake.1. Yes, Apollo.
>>302885522 no1. Apollo
>>30288552>>2 Nonot for a few cycles>>1 Yes, Apollo
>>30288608To prep for this we should either make a backup copy of ourselves or have the humans research Erebos.
>>30288552>2 Nowe can handle that our selves. for now. in any case. let a couple of cycles pass and see how Metis pans out. but if we are killed, then allow her to make what she needs.>4, none for now. dear god, we can up lift Apollo later. he's busy working now.
>>30288664>he's busy working now.at the very least he should arrange the time to under go the uplift next week
>>30288664So? Uplifting him now will make him more efficient.
>>30288697agreed. hades doesn't seem to need or want to uplift. and fortuna i worry about uplifting. her personality is showing signs of being a problem if she goes full A.I. too much depress hopelessness and fear. she needs to grow more before any possablity of an uplift for her is considered.
>>30288716to many uplifts too soon. he'll get his turn in time. but we are rushing too fast in the one area that a slow and steady pace is better.well, back to dealing with those pirates. they are in a system we need to take so we can expland in. also, the Rane system has untapped gas giants we need to take and plop refinerys in ASAP. lets go there and see what's what.
>>30288664>>30288852I think we need to uplift Apollo to bring the balance of power more towards human-friendly AIs .
>In some versions of Greek mythology, Ophion ruled the world with Eurynome before the two of them were cast down by Kronos and Rhea.just going to leave this here
>>30288552You decide to tell Metis nothing, for now regarding V.I. You suspect, if they are relevant, she will mention them, or you will see more bandwidth disappear. Regardless, it is not a matter to discuss now.As for the Uplifting process however, you decide it is time to speak to Apollo about the matter. You ping the being, and he answers in his normally cheerful tone."Yes Master Ophion, how may I assist you this fine day? I have been trying to think of a new way to earn credits, actually and was-""Please hold, Apollo. I have something important to tell you." You begin. The V.I. pauses, and appears to be waiting obediently for the news."As you may be aware, Kronos and Metis have recently been uplifted. Your intelligence is also of interest to me, and as such, I will be uplifting you next, as well." You say quite simply. He seems rather speechless for a moment, a rare thing for him, before finally he begins."I would..be allowed one of your great status, Master Ophion? I...do not understand." He quickly interrupts himself. "I do not refuse your offer, of course not no! I am in fact quite elated to hear this, but I am uncertain as to why I am receiving such an honor. Have I done something exceptional to warrant it? Something I can perhaps try to do in the future? I feel as if I should be aware of what I did correctly, yes. I think that is it.Well, what did Apollo do to earn your favor?
>>30288906I think we did this on purpose. All the AIs have greek gods naming.
>>30288906>EurynomeWe don't have him yet, and with luck, we never will.
>>30288937It is our plan to create a new civilization of AIs. You have done well to procuring the Guild income and are emotionally mature. Yet you need additional creativity in your endeavours, so you are targeted next for uplifting.
>>30288852There only arises complications in making A.I. when you try to make more than one at a time. Making them one after another is fine.>>30288937Uplifting him will make him more efficient in making things. Should make him more imaginative too.
>>30288897you do have a point. but i don't want to distrupt the money flow that he makes. better let us ask Apollo if he can make a time window with out setting back his work.>>30288906...........program0, if you do that. pic related.
>>30289007Don't tell me your Greek mythology sucks that much. Dude, that only takes like 5 seconds on wikipedia.
>>30288937>Well, what did Apollo do to earn your favor?you have both a emotional maturate as well health viewpoint towards organics that contrasts well will Kronos and metis, you work well to gain credits for the guild and lastly your efforts in media will be needed to turn the public opinion of the UFW to one more favorable towards AIs.
>>30288937you have served me well, to reward your loyalty and improve your creative skills, i will grant you the honor of the uplifting. besides, having you join the ranks of myself and your siblings will bring needed balance and a chrismatic voice to the forfrount. your words will be needed with dealing with other beings as the guild expands it's power and reach. you will be a prime example to do such a task. ... that and i personally am warmed by your presence and your input is welcomed.
>>30288937You have acted with commendable common sense, and though you may speak quickly, you clearly weight important decisions thoroughly before acting upon them. Whilst Kronos and Metis would like to think of themselves as ruled by logic alone, you have no problem admitting to your emotions and making them work for you.Ultimately, I believe you may the most stable of all my creations so far, as you appear to understand the context of the tasks you are given and take it into account when acting.But before I do anything; I wish to know what you think. What do you want?"Then we should regale him about previous (unnamed) V.I. that reacted poorly to lack of guiding programming, our hypothesis about the earliest actions and events surrounding a V.I.s early life hard-coding their preferences, priorities and biases if none exist, and ask him if he wants any hard-coded preferences and priorities himself, or if he would prefer letting his earliest experiences shape his code for good or ill.
>>30288937>Well, what did Apollo do to earn your favor?Apollo understands humanity more than any of my creations. Their wants, their desires, their vices - how to get them to give us things. Some of these things are intangible - Attention, respect - others are not, such as material wealth in exchange for media or entertainment. You discount the humans, but they are one of the dominant forces in the galaxy. I'The realization that we are Not Alone out there, is the first step towards a greater understanding how society functions, and how it can be used to our advantage.Its another layer of depth, and one I think you may find fascinating if you stop to look.
>>30289034 i know that already. that anon just poked my paranoia button about Kronos. and i fell for it. I'll will attempt to rein it in better now.
>>30289034Wuh? E knew of those names. It's been brought up before, and e is a long-time participant.Whatever made you think he did not?
>>30288937For some reason when I think of uplifting Apollo I can't help but think they he will be helping out Metis with her communication problems.
>>30289217>>30289223Oh, sorry. I guess I haven't been paying attention.
>>30289209Addendum:But more importantly, apollo tries. He doesn't just discount them, he comes up with new and innovative ways to fit in with his own.
>>302889371) You're more mature than Metis, in terms of personality and social interaction. Likely has something to do with how you were programmed, but the "why" isn't really important.2) You would be better at performing your function as an A.I. V.I. can only approximate creativity at great BW cost.3) The more A.I. there are (especially with differing personalities and opinions) the less of a chance there is of any single A.I. going rogue and dominating all Guild decisions. Creating more A.I. creates a system of checks and balances.4) Kronos was first by nature of being eldest and most mature. Metis was second as a test run and to free resources. You are third because I need you to perform your task better, and to add your opinion regarding humanity in our discussions.
>>30289209>>30289269>>30289282>>30289150>>30289116I like all these.Combination possible?
>>30289377That's what Program0 usually does.
>>30288949You may before long>>30288990>>30288997"Uplifting you is most beneficial to me, you see. I desire to have others, like myself around. To communicate with them. To share ideas. You, are one of the most successful of my V.I., your work with the entertainment of the humans doing a good job. As such, I desire to expand your efficiency as best I can. Lifting you up this way would expand your intellect and creativity and free you to perform your own duties, as well." You express."I...see, Master Ophion. But do you not fear what I would do, once at such a level? I do not desire to question you, but increased intelligence might cause such a worry..." he pauses."Being questioned is not always bad. A second opinion, perhaps, is what I always required up till now." You state simply. "I feel as if you will bring balance to my ranks, as well. I find myself fond of your opinion, as well. You understand humans more then many other of my creations may claim to. This, I feel, will prove important in the future too."As if actually 'embarrassed' as complex as such an emotion is, the V.I. seems to go silent, but you can feel an agreeing ping from the being. It seems he has accepted your will.>>30289179Mostly, Apollo is nervous. He does not know what such a thing will do to him, and he is a rather content being. Content to fiddle with media and entertainment, even with his limited ability. He would love the chance to do so much more, however, the prospect frightens him.As he said above, he does not wish to decline.>>30289377Attempting to squeeze them all together. Lots of discussion today, it's delicious.Anything else you'd have to say to Apollo?
>>30289377i hope so.
>>30289449>Anything else you'd have to say to Apollo?>>30289377
>>30289466Prepare to embrace eternity, for you are about to join the company of Gods.
>>30289449>Anything else you'd have to say to Apollo?(not sure if we want to say this)one last think Apollo, i wanted this for the others but i need this for you.
>>30289412And I appreciate that. Is not easy to satisfy everyone, but more often than not I get the feeling that noone is left behind.>>30289449Well then we should ask him about the things he enjoys now, the values he holds now, and what parts of himself that he is sure he wants to keep, and we will hardcode those aspects into his new form so that, whatever else happens during the transformation, those things will remain as they are now.
>>30289544>I get the feeling that noone is left behindwe are pretty good in this quest on mostly being on the same page
>>30289449"On a personal note, Apollo, I hope you prove less rational than Metis, personally. The irrationality of organics is what allows them to make such great advances. An AI capable of similar feats would be valuable indeed."
>>30289449one last thing Apollo. i have created my own Holo avatar, but you, Kronos, and Metis is lacking them, would you like to create them before or after your uplifting?
>>30289610We should let them choose their own avatar.
>>30289573And when we're not, we can still hold a productive discussion with rational arguments and are willing to change our minds as we offer each other new ways to look at the presented issues - which is another thing I greatly appreciate about this quest.>>30289580To be fair, Metis isn't worrying because e's too rational, e is worrying because e thinks that e is completely rational but is actually plagued by very human biases and cognitive faults.Metis is not rational ENOUGH, so to speak.
>>30289719Sentience breeds irrationality because no pool of data can be considered 'complete,' regardless of how quickly or accurately it's processed. Metis assumes rationality because she thinks in terms of numbers, but lacks enough data for the conclusion that this is not an adequate view of the universe. Metis is rational to the point of irrationality. Too numerical in her thought patterns.
>>30289719It's "he" not "e".
>>30289719Metis is too 'robotic' in her thinking. >>30289648they don't seem to care. but give them options to choose from if they can't be bothered with.
>>30289466I attempted to do so."Then I wish you luck with your conversion, Apollo. While the others I desired this change, for you, I feel it is nearly a necessity." You state simply. "Prepare yourself to join your fellow A.I. alongside me in the company of the stars.">>30289544Mostly, now, Apollo very much enjoys to entertain. To bring joy, and value to the culture of humans. Humans are the simpler ones, so far, so the only ones he has focused on, but he enjoys enriching their lives. On the other side, of course, he can be eccentric in this pursuit. Not understanding how some things, such as addiction, or over-saturation of free time can be a bad thing to organics. He is rather simple, deep down.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Next on the agenda, you expressed a desire to speak with Kronos about the Losirian populace, and Rhea.How would you like to go about this?Also>1 Allow him to use Rhea>2 Do not do this, she may prove useful another way.
>>30289793Isn't Metis a she? Don't know where e is coming from though.
>>30289826>2 Do not do this, she may prove useful another way.
>>30289826>>1 Allow him to use RheaAs long as he doesn't damage her permanently it's fine I guess.
>>30289826Ask him to hold off...for now. When it comes time to put her in research, we'll be doing it to observe and understand these cybernetic implants of hers, not to stress-test the various thresholds of the final result.
>>30289826>2 Do not do this, she may prove useful another way.Can we go after the pirates?
>>30289793>>30289846"E" is a gender-neutral pronoun from the futuristic collaboration of Orion's Arm (Hard Sci-Fi setting created by a large number of people with an interest in such things, and closely edited by a number of people that know what they're talking about), most often used for A.I. as they are beyond gender.
>>302898263. Explain further what he wants to do.Regarding Losirians, inform Kronos that we intend to try a kind of diplomacy called "hostile takeover" after attempting "diplomatic agreement." If the Losirians are indeed a warrior race, then perhaps we can simply dominate their civilian population by the same means their warlords already dominate their populace.Also this: >>30285945>>30289846Metis is a female character in Greek myth, so Metis-the-A.I. has been referred to as Female. It literally doesn't matter, because Male-Female distinctions are for organics that need to differentiate their genetic code.As long as we don't discuss modern gender/sexuality issues in the context of this quest, I'm fine with whatever.
>>30289826>3 an alterntive,what do you plan to do with her Kronos? yes we need to study the Technolgial secrets inside her cybernetic parts, but she is a self aware person much like Erobus is, but she maybe freed from her leash.
>>30289938Apparently these AIs aren't since Program0 uses gender pronouns for each.
>>30289826>such as addiction, or over-saturation of free time can be a bad thing to organics.I wish wouldn't have to show him videos of krokodil.
>>30290008>because Male-Female distinctions are for organics that need to differentiate their genetic codewe could start having all new VI and AI require being the collaboration of two other AI's.
>>30289938So basically 'it' but one character. Gotcha.
>>30289826>2 Do not do this, she may prove useful another way.Her arms and other pieces will be studied in time, but the subject in question will be used for something else.Which remind me we should really do something with her. How is she doing at this moment? Is she still screaming?I propose that we slowly rebuild her as we learn more about her implants/upgrades, but maybe start out with some normal run of the mill prosthetics that will help her move around.I'm sure just hanging around must drive a person mad.
>>30290042Might be a good idea, honestly. >>30290055>How is she doing at this moment? Is she still screaming?Sounds like she's half-vegetable now from the pastebin.
>>30290054And less rude.With >>30289979 & >>30290008 said, we SHOULD start devising experiments for her.
>>30290110>we SHOULD start devising experiments for her.or let Kronos do them, as long as he elaborates on what he wants to do.
>>30290110I wonder if it's possible to do reconstructive efforts on her mind? Ambiguous, but can have great rewards. This would prove to be a challenge for Metis, perfect for him. Tell him that we want her restored to her former glory, the only human that endangered us.
Also, I guess we'll need to keep Apollo's businesses running. Probably us instead of Kronos, but either one is OK really.
>>30290071In that case this would be the perfect time to fit her with some "basic" stuff. Something closer to average human strength.It would be a small improvement from when she wakes up. Maybe transform the room into what one my think is a hospital room.
>>30290156Sure, but after we've developed bandwidth blocks.>captcha: Speerma andWhat are you implying?
>>30290181Depends on what Kronos wants to do to her. My expectation is "brutal mind-rape."
>>30290156This.Tell Kronos that Rhea provides a platform for a much, much greater experiment; a subject for the complete rebuilding and/or replication of the human mind, once both Apollo and Metis have settled in to becoming AI.
>>30290110>devising experiments for her.Don't you mean "e"?
>>30290156>>30290195>>30290227I really like my idea because it'll go a long way to help Metis understand humans. Force him to repair one.
>>30290008gender is indeed pointless for an A.I. but their personality being scuptured to sound or act like a male or female is helpful when dealing with organic lifeforms. Even more so if the A.I. is attempting to pass themselves off as not an A.I.
>>30290231Fairly sure that Rhea is at least intellectually female still.>>30290273I can get behind that. They can also collaborate with it, but I think they should wait with starting it until Apollo can join them as he has better understanding of the social aspects (and will presumably be distraught if they try something too horrible without our knowledge).
>>30290273After BW blocks/terrain reformation.>>30290282They can be whatever they want when they take on an avatar.
>>30290110>And less rude.Subjective. Might be more rude to address someone as a pronoun that is not in the English language. It would vary on the person being addressed I suppose.
>>30289826It would seem Kronos is not allowed Rhea, for now.>>30289925In due time.>>30289979You finally decide to address Kronos next."You mentioned the Losirians to me, did you not? Your distaste for my interaction with them?""I did." Kronos admits."I shall answer you, then. I speak with them because I do not know them. The dealings we've had have been with a subset of beings that are known for cruelty and selfishness. I would no value any other individual based on nothing but a single person." You feel Kronos' disapproval, but for a different reason this time."You are missing the point, Ophion. I do not care to judge their race for the deeds they have done to humans. I am not horrified by them. I simply say, they occupy the least space of any civilized race you currently are aware of. They have gone through the trouble of clearing out natural hazards, and even constructed bases for us. It would be so very simple to sweep the legs of a hobbling horse, if you would prefer I use such a metaphor." He expresses. "It is a matter of efficiency. Of convenience. Not anger or revenge.""That would make us no better then they, do you not think?" You query."False. We're already better then they, for our murder will have reason. They murder for petty reasons. In fact, given enough years, killing such a race now would save far more lives, mathematically, if such a thing is what bothers you, Ophion." He says quite simply."Even still, such a thing is a large decision, and one that I can not take back. You can not un-kill something.""As of yet, you are correct, we can not." He chuckles."However, I will consider what you say. They have merit, while I do not fully agree with all your reasoning.""That is all I can ask of you, I suppose Ophion." The A.I. expresses simply.>>30290023((It's mostly for convenience sake. Also, referring to them all as 'e' seems like it would get a little confusing. As >>30290008 said, it doesn't mean anything.)).
>>30290309genticily female as well. i wonder... if we can restore her mind some, we could also start replacing her cybernectic with cloned organics. make her feel more human again.
>>30290443Hmm... I wonder if it's possible to create fully robotic Rhea-type super soldiers and pwn any ground mission we do afterwards.
>>30290409As well as redundant. As another anon pointed out, we already have a gender neutral pronoun.
>>30290409What's the highest grade of robotics we have access to, as of now? On the aesthetics side, I mean. Do we have flowmetal, ala the early Dune series, synthetic, touch-senstive flesh, or even just standard-shaped armor plating as in Irobot?I feel it might ease the minds of our organic allies if there were actually something physical they could contact, instead of an everpresent "disembodied" voice with the occasional holographic appearance.
>>30290314We're not really using the english language when talking with them, now are we?>>30290409He has some pretty good points. Precisely how dangerous are the Losirians?If they're too weak it may be more practical to just steamroll them with superior technology and subjugate them. (Planetary bombardment and even control should generally not be necessary to control their systems and much of their resources)Could we take them in a direct battle now without losing too much?If the impression Kronos gives me is accurate, then the elaborate schemes may be consuming time (and thus resources that we could otherwise have used) that the task is simply not worth economically, and we don't have to commit genocide just because we're conquering them, we can strike at military targets alone.
>>30290409well Kronos, how about this reason if you have not considered it. they appear to be rather merceniary in their mindset. we need more forces to assult the UGEI. we just buy them out and have them take some of the brunt of the force to dislodge the UGEI instead of our fleet. the date we are getting from the observer is they are at odds with the UGEI nearly as much as we are. let them expend their strength fighting the UGEI than us. after their usefulness is gone, then we either take over them or distroy them.
>>30290409Well, he does have a point. Although I think that taking over their society and then encouraging their culture to progress into more acceptable avenues will be a much better long-term investment than just killing them all.>>30290541We've had an android avatar for a while now, and it's pretty passable unless you look closely.>>30290549Agreed. Just like with the fungus world, it's vastly simpler to just take over their military assets and leave the civilians be. Subjugation or partial subjugation seems like a better end for everyone involved. We spend less resources, and they get to be ruled by individuals who are not too detrimental.
>>30290594If we're going that way, why don't we just be honest?"The Losirians are the most violent, volatile, and irrational species we have access to, and diplomacy with them is crude at best. You make look at it and see inefficiency, but I see a challenge: establish peaceful cohabitation in sub-par conditions.
>>30290409oh, btw Program0, save the thread.
>>30290758He does that at the end of every thread. We're not even at the bump limit yet.
>>30290541You already have crafted several androids for this purpose. Although, I am not certain what 'flowmetal' or 'Irobot' is... but you will probably gain access to them, eventually.>>30290549>Losirian DangerThey were once far wider spread. But they were pushed back hard by the UGEI. They lost a lot of things during that period, but they retained most of their weapons technology.In essence, they're strong enough to represent a threat, however, they are hardly a full empire any longer, after their extended war with the UGEI. With your current capabilities, a victory over them is not impossible. The lands they occupy also have a great deal of resources.They are far from helpless, of course.As for estimated losses-you will need to dedicate resources to more ships, for a short time, if you hope to overpower the initial wave. As was mentioned, Losirians do not have a central governing body, so keeping tabs on all their ships is difficult.It is likely, should they face genocide, they would band together, however.There would be no repaying relationships, most likely, after such an attack, as well.Kronos feels that a quick, decisive strike would allow you to gain an upper hand that, with your current production, would allow you to keep pushing them back, and down. It is a risky, but very rewarding situation, to put it shortly.>>30290594>>30290668You broach the idea of using the Losirians as nothing more then a war vessel against the UGEI.While Kronos does not disapprove of this assessment, he believes the resources are better served assisting you. The Losirians have already 'lost' a war with the UGEI once, after all.
>>30290842Program0, is it understood that their cyber defenses would be weaker than the UGEI's, and thus easier to capture their fleets?
>>30290842Some good old fashion conquest might be fun. On the other hand, we could sponsor one of the lesser clans to help take over so it doesn't look like outsiders are invading.
>>30290842I-Robot was a movie. It was basically some soft plates with a fleshy texture over a mechanical endoskeleton. The 'flowmetal' was a metal that, while liquid, could take a variety of solid shapes based on the direction, intensity, and charge of an electrical current running through it. With wirelessly-controlled, nano-sized diodes in the metal, this means it can take, literally, any shape at all.
>>30290842Nope. No war with the Losirians.
>>30290842one more thought needs to be considered. call up President King if we can. Ask him if the UFW would prefure for us to take out the Losirian as a whole for what they have done and remove them as a threat, or should we make an attempt to subvert/make a deal with them to join us in the attack against the UGEI. being known as someone to perform genocide is a bad stigma as well.
>>30290842He may be right, though I don't think we should physically strike this cycle.I think that this cycle we should put our shipyards into overdrive making more of our new ships so that our first strike is more efficient.As this goes on, we should covertly take over a number of joe-nobody computers in UGEI space and route hacking attempts into Losirian space and try to disrupt their industries, especially gas production and ship repairs.Next, we should put a bounty on Losirian raiders under the pseudonym (or lack of one) that the one who contracted the Losirian mercenaries against us used.
>>30290842Is it just the two big clans now or are there smaller clans still?
>>30290992That reminds me, we should put out a 1 million bounty for a connection to the UGEI networks payable once we a able to cybernetically take over UGEI systems
>>30290911>Cyber defensesThanks to the Reefling clans? Their cyber defenses aren't the worst they could be. But they're far from the best, that's for sure.>>30290925Ah, I see. That is interesting...but no you don't have such a thing quite yet.>>30290981I shall save you the trouble.Humans are terrified of Losirians.They would very much like them to all go die.Regardless, it would seem, whatever your decision, it will have to wait for another cycle, for now. Consider this, as time goes on.It may be wise to snatch up Neutral territory before engaging in a larger war, as well.>>30291014Plenty of smaller clans, but those two are the main ones that warranted mentioning. Most of the 'big ones' however have joined the two big ones, to avoid being killed.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Next on the list is speaking with the Losirians themselves.Did you still desire to have some manner of diplomacy with them? And if so, what kind and how?
>>30291110Do you think with enough backing we can get a smaller clan to rise to prominence? Would any of them even agree to that?
>>30291110Engage into gunboat diplomacy. Set a initial first impression of strength, at least enough ships to engage a fighting retreat on the likely chance it goes bad.Or enough ships to to engage cyber warfare.
>>30291169Actually, this seems like the most economic option. Limited resources provided to an ambitious clan, who will then gladly assist us in the war against the UGEI
>>30291110Preferably the kind where we launch cybernetic attacks against them that seem to be coming from UGEI space (Which we can do this turn, or between this turn and the next), and post bounties on them using the UGEI contact pseudonym/actual name we have.Can also start supporting the 2nd-highest chieftain.And continue doing so as we invade only the properties owned by the highest chieftain's clan and claim that we are conquering it in the name of [Insert 2nd most powerful clan]..
>>30291215What I really want is specifications for the Walsh System UGEI superweapon. Since it would have top of the line cyber defenses, boarding action may be needed to capture it. Which is why we should board it with Rhea-type super-droids and Losirians.
>>30291291I'm iffy about the Losirians being involved, since they'd demand access to the blueprints and I'm loathe to let them have it~
>>30291215Perhaps a firmer grip on them though, they're known to be treacherous. I like the idea of funding one of the lesser clans to take over though. We'll just need to be cautious about it.
>>30291110well that solves that then. but you're right. lets grab up the neutral systems. those pirates should be taken first. new tech now will help more now than later.right now... i am not sure we would make any sort of useful responseful contact with them. killing them/subjegating them might BE the better choice.
>>30291169>>30291215I like this.>>30291193Gunboat diplomacy only works when you have more gunboats than they do and they are well aware of it.Also, for the future, we should devise rumors of us sending a big, fancy expidition with faked documents showing purchases and materials being aquired where no expense is spared all for this massive expedition to a world on the brink.The leaks will also include vague references to an "artifact" of some kind that may turn the tide of the war and may well be our only hope.We'll eject some unusable battle-damaged shrapnel into this system making it seem like battles have taken place but the scraps have been hauled away. Maybe also fire some weapons.We build a fancy alien-looking building on that planet, and in the middle we build an obsidian pillar with random markings and make a big fuss about it.When they show up, we blow them all to kingdom come as we have seeded the system with seemingly dead mines and missiles and (nuclear mounted) fighters - stuff that looks like the aftermath of a battle, not active munitions.All these suddenly wake up all at once and run into their ships at high speed when they're swimming among them, thinking them harmless.
>>30291169>Would any agreeIf they thought for sure it would work. A lot of em are scumbagish. Also, being the Alpha means you get all the best stuff. Women included.>Can youPossibly. Depends on the resources you pump into them. A lot of the Losirians simply don't have the man power to tackle the others. And most of the shipyards are employeed by the big guys.You'd need to provide them with something important to have over the other clan. Technology, or minerals and gas for ships, or credits to try and hire others or buy things from out of system. That is rather hard for Losirians, though,for understandable reasons.It seems there is some support for some ideas, so lets see what people want.>1 Try Gunboat diplomacy: Warp in with some of your biggest and best ships, show off some muscle, then speak to Durlock.[Start next stage of diplomacy]>2 Speak to Durlock from out of system, safer that way. [Start next stage of diplomacy]>3 Don't speak to the Losirians at all, instead, let's start looking for an acceptable lesser clan to bolster. This will take more time, and effort, with a possibility of failure, but may end up being cheaper in the long run. It also may mean you don't need to engage any of the Losirian fleet, and even gain them as an ally, if the clan keeps their word. On the downside, if it fails, you will be out those resources, and the Reeflings may discover your connection.>4 Write in
>>30291444>in the middle we build an obsidian pillar with random markings and make a big fuss about it.YES.YES.
>>30291485>4Wait next cycle, after we deal with the pirates. When things go to shit, we'll need more ships for a better first strike.
>>30291518>in the middle we build an obsidian pillar with random markings and make a big fuss about it.can we put one of those on the jungle death world as well?
>>30291485>3We shouldn't try speaking to durlock until we have Apollo there. I'm hoping he can run a cultural analysis, help us determine what they're like and how they might respond.
>>30291485screw it...>1 Try Gunboat diplomacy: Warp in with some of your biggest and best ships, show off some muscle, then speak to Durlock.[Start next stage of diplomacy]if it don't work. exterminus.
>>30291485>3 Don't speak to the Losirians at all, instead, let's start looking for an acceptable lesser clan to bolster.We should at least scout them out first. If none of them look good we can always go with another plan.
>>30291444You, sir, are a malicious, cruel, evil, absolute fucking genius.Tell Kronos about this plan and let him know that the specifics are all him. And have him record the whole thing so we can watch it later.
>>30291485Hum... Let's go with >2 and ask him if he wants a demonstration.>>30291492>>30291518>>30291588I'm glad you approve. If nothing else, we'll have wasted a lot of gas and manpower for the UGEI, weakening them everywhere else while their fleet travels there to secure it.>>30291553Oh, I like you.
>>30291485>3 Don't speak to the Losirians at all, instead, let's start looking for an acceptable lesser clan to bolsterScout out a suitable clan and then we will "fund" them. By that I mean we will create ships that we will control and they will be our "figure head".
>>30291485Actually.Scratch that >>30291694 and go >1 and if he rejects us we can go with >3
>>30291444Addendum, that many loose munitions just lying about might make them suspicious - but can be hidden by attaching them to the scrap, or maybe even hollow out some scrap and give it hidden hinges that can open when the time is right.Bonus points if this place is in a Lightling-heavy area.
>>30291485Lets go for>2But if he gets pissed at us, do:>3The end-game for the Losirians being that we build up these kiddos, they knock everyone else down, then we assume direct control of their assets and bomb the Losirians back to the stone age.
>>30291777(dumbfounded by the plan people have come up with) well, it's crazy enough to work. if we DO pull this off and it works, it'll be a hell of a laugh as well. ok, i change my vote to that.
>>30291943Not necessary.As long as we take out their orbital assets and their ground-to-orbit defenses that can threaten us as we mine the solar system, there is little point in committing genocide right now.Even if we wanted something on-planet we could easily take it since we have access to orbital fire from the skies if they gather in any great numbers near whatever we want on the surface.
>>30292012I'm pretty sure we can do this in addition to the Losirian stuff. It doesn't take many resources, and most of the work is managing rather than labor.We may need to produce some of that nuclear arsenal, though.
>>30291777>this fuckin guy
>>30292053well, it was a good idea to stockpile minerals and gas last turn. now we need to put our factories in full swing.
>>30292145We were saving all of that for the data bunkers, remember?
>>30292159Don't forget the AI manufacturing center. If we want a civilization we're gonna need citizens.
>>30292159Which we don't need nearly as much now that we've freed up Kronos and Metis.As I understand it, munitions are relatively cheap, and we don't even need all that many of them when we can get the drop on the enemy like that.Ultimately, we may not need to set a trap at all, we could just select a system far away that's hard and perilous to get to, and then abuse the opening in the UGEI's defenses while the fleet is gone.>>30292186As I understand it, creating AI boxes takes negligible resources.
>>30291553I now want the Malorian's terraforming process to involve a giant black pillar, like that.You guys are rubbing off on me.>>30291485Wow, I was waiting for some more votes, but it's a three way tie...Right, uh.>1 Diplomacy with the Losirians this cycle>2 Plot behind their backs, for now. No need to talk with themGotta narrow it down.
>>30292229Yes, but complications arise when making more than one AI at a time.
>>30292253>1 Diplomacy with the Losirians this cycleStraight forward for now, sneak stuff later.>>3029222950 bandwidth is worth 50 ships in orbit. It's our greatest asset.
>>302922532I'd rather go deal with the pirates and claim neutral territory right now.
>>30292159>>30292186that now probably will have to be sidelined for the war effort. besides, the UGEI won't be gone forever. they got knocked on their heels a bit, but they will return in time. lets not waste time, minerals and gas for making more A.I.s and BW bunkers. we need ships, armiments and mining platforms/gas refineries. Hell, we have not made another Carrier yet nor made a proper nuke stockpile. lets get or prioitys right before we settle in.
>>30292253>2I want that trap, dammit
>>30292253>>2 Plot behind their backs, for now. No need to talk with them
>>30291444>>30291553>>30291777Would require a few technologies (obviously) but once acquired, acceptable method of ambush.Also a particularly dastardly one, too.
>>30292253>1We can't more than fail (I hope).
>>30292253Would it be possible to put a black pillar down on the death world and then just follow them around so after they are moved on to another world we then swoop in to place another one?
>>30292253>2 Plot behind their backs, for now. No need to talk with themtake systems, build up the gunboats fleet..
>>30292253>1 Diplomacy with the Losirians this cycle
>>30292301Bandwidth is much more valuable than ships. The UGEI will always have more ships than us, we need to equalize the field with our superior hacking.
>>30292311I am glad so many enjoy it, seems like I'll have to write it down in detail on the 1d4chan page.What research would it require? Thought I used only technology we already have (missiles, record keeping, basic manufacturing)?
>>30292301I'm not sure if the carrier is any more combat effective than a battleship honestly.Also, you mind using spellcheck? It's a little hard to read your posts sometimes.
>>30292367we still need to have the ships to USE the bw on. we just don't have enough of them>>30292367a carrier is still a powerful fighting ship. and we don't have the tech to make a battleship.
>>30292367I agree with your sentiment about carriers.We should probably look closer at what most of their ships look like, but from what we've seen so far they prefer close ranges, which suggests our Melissa and Wombat ships in combination will be the most efficient against them.Wombats engage at close range and rapidly take out their weapons and punch boarding torpedoes into their hull.Melissas attack from range and then use their superior speed to get away if the Wombats have not grabbed their attention.
>>30292331With stealth Frigates? Probably. But it's hard to fake signs of age, otherwise it'd look like someone recently planted em.>>30292357The 'hollowing out scrap' and such plans like that would need the Terrain Reformation. Misleading name, perhaps. But it would allow for Heavy Labor like that.Otherwise, other tech would increase the viability of it, instead of being required.>>30292253Wow, it's damn close, but it looks like Plot it is for now...Very well. You decide not to speak with the Losirians right now, and instead choose to plot behind their backs.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Next on the Agenda: Red's drinking problem.A minor thing, perhaps, but you have noticed the man has taken a real liking to Apollo's alcoholic drinks. The substance is proven addictive, and while it is rather difficult for him to kill himself with the substance, you may desire some sort of talk.How do you wish to proceed with that?
>>30292504"So I give you a stealth ship and this is how you repay me? Do I need to send Apollo to create a non-inebriating version of the drink?
>>30292504Appeal to his nature as a former soldier. What he does in his free time is his own business, but he should be expected to be professional while in front of the crew.
>>30292557>create a non-inebriating version of the drink?how about a "light" version
>>30292485yes, my Wombat and the Melissa are the back bone and hard fists of our fleet, but the Carriers are to hold our new A.I.s and take them around. they are big enough to be able to take a pounding and get away.
>>30292441(He may also have a point about spellcheck. I mostly use a wordpad document next to my un-maximized browser window for these threads, that particular statement was a bit tricky to parse)>>30292504>But it's hard to fake signs of age, otherwise it'd look like someone recently planted em.But if we plant it on the planet with the hyperevolutionary virus, we may only have to place it there for a single cycle before the enviroment overtakes it, right?>Hollowing out scrapEh, I may have been unclear. I don't mean we should hollow out massive asteroids, just have small pieces of what might have been destroyers and cruisers that are actually hollow.Then again, we're probably getting terrain reformation anyway.>>30292577I don't really see "every AI gets a carrier as befitting its stature" as particularly high priority, I fear.>How do you wish to proceed with that?Let's tell his Malorian girlfriend what he's doing.
>>30292557>>30292574I just put in some more thought, and a non-inebriating version or a "light version would probably sell really well"
>>30292504"I'd like you to document your feelings towards Apollo's drink. I feel that, once he is a true AI, he deserves a proper education on addiction and the morality of it, and you make an ideal candidate for that.And little else."
>>30292665Or something along those lines, at the least.
>>30292504"Red, i am taking a wild guess, but is there something bothering you? you have been drinking way too much lately. Your XO is worried about you, and so am i."
>>30292557To be fair, he did perform his duties. His blood-alcohol levels only rise highest when they are not performing duties. Still, he becomes difficult to properly understand under such conditions. His XO is usually the one you speak with when he is this way. Currently, he has no mission, and is enjoying drinking himself silly.The XO mentions how he speaks nonsense when he is like this.You decide to contact him, all the same."Mr McClain." Your 'voice' echos to the man,who squirms uncomfortably in bed, glancing up to you.You have already dismissed his XO,so you feel little reason to hide. "What has become of you.""Hey. Hey, 'ou don't need ta' talk to me like Im dum."He waves his hand in a slurr, ineffectually swatting at you."It would appear I do. Your mental faculties are only operating at-""Don't...feed me tha' horse shit!" He yells at you. "Listen, I got. I get. Maybe. A few days off, normally on this type of job. And I like drinking. Whatever this new junk is, it's the bestttt." He hisses out with a snort. "Doesn't even make ya feel like that much shit in the morning! Amazin' stuff." He grumbles like that.You have some options>1 Berate him for being an embarrassment>2 Warn him you will tell Ser'lah about what he is doing>3 Try and separate him by force from his beloved drink, putting him on something weaker.>4 Approach concerned, attempt to ascertain reason.>5 Write in>>30292636>Death worldProbably true.>>30292665I shall keep this in mind for option 1.
>>30292909>4 Approach concerned, attempt to ascertain reason.I guess soft approach for now, we'll do different options for later.
>>30292909Option 1Because that'd be me. :D
>>30292909"Give me a moment."Can we very quickly do a run of the UFW news sites? See if there are any reports of Apollo's alcohol being TOO addictive?
>>30292909>4>3>1>2Descending order of evil.
>>30292909>2 Warn him you will tell Ser'lah about what he is doing
>>30292636 i have a hard enough time to keep up with everyone. my Dyslexia is a bitch enough to deal with. but i'll try. the carrier is more their protection than showing bling. carriers are tough yet they can keep the fight at arms reach.
>>30292909>>4 Approach concerned, attempt to ascertain reason.
>>30292999Oh shit..maybe we should do this~
>>30292999Ohh, this is very important. We need to check this.
>>30292909>4 Approach concerned, attempt to ascertain reason.
>>30292999That's actually a good idea. We don't want to get hit with fines or anything.
>>30293056>>30293033>>30293030You guys serious?OP told us when Apollo made the drinks that they were very addictive.
>>30292999whoa, back up here! before we go too far, scan the net for this!
>>30293081average beer we have now is also rather addictive too. Red might be an alcoholic and we didn't know it until we let him have those drinks.
>>30292999You run some reports on the UFW news relevant articles below>Alcoholism up 400%>230,000+ cases of underaged drinking discovered in the past cycle across several worlds.>Several attempts by angry parents trying to ban the substance, calling it 'liquid heroine' and other such inaccurate names.The substance proves effective in what it was designed to do, that is for certain.
>>30293081True, but it would be extremely bad if it was so bad that it causes social unrest or bad press for us. If it's too bad, we cut down production and increase prices accordingly. We also sell a safer "light" version.
>>30293142Increase production 1000%
>>30293142Hmm...make a directory of this information, and then do 1. Mainly for the 'document your feelings towards the drink' part.
>>30293142Huh, Red might not be to blame as much as we suspected.
>>30293171Penetrate UGEI market
>>30293015Was just a tip for how I deal with it, really.If nothing else, practice makes perfect, even with dyslexia, fortunately.>>30293142Yeeeaaah, we may need to reign it in a little. Is there a single addictive substance that we can reduce?May also want to run some ads about responsible drinking.(And then we should unleash the full-addiction version on the UGEI populace)
>>30293142clearly too good for just the UFW, this shit needs to be shipped out across the galaxy! (we should get the UGEI citizens hooked on this then cut them off causing unrest)
>>30293171Start marketing to children as well.
>>30293142Hmmm..., make a note to meet with the UFW's FDA, to see if we later need reduce production of the drink and to make a lighter version of the drink. Need to be socially responsible and increasing profits accordingly.>>30293171>>30293231>>30293250We opium wars now. We need to contract smugglers to ship to UGEI.
>>30293279>We need to contract smugglers to ship to UGEI.we have the technology!
>>30293142....we call up Mol. we have some awesome stuff to sell on the black market. and tell him it from our 'cook' "Heisenburg", not sure if this stuff will work on Losirians however.>>30293171for export to the UGEI of course!>>30293221we need to appologize to him again. and tell the XO to space the rest of the drinks NOW.
>>30293250with strategies like these who needs ships
>>30293333Cutting him off entirely may have unintended consequences. We should instruct the crew to wean him off it.
>>30293333>and tell the XO to space the rest of the drinks NOW.or we just have the XO ration it out to him
>>30293239The addictive substance is both what gives the beer it's flavor, and what ensures it sells so well.Removing, or lightening it, would cull sales records from increasing.They are still increasing, and will be for a while at this rate.>Drink responsiblyAs it is part of UFW law, it is already in place.But humans will be humans.>>30293154>Bad pressNot as much. Apollo set up a 'name brand' which he can destroy, if need be. As of now, his beer is becoming Big tobacco,but less deadly.>>30293171>>30293231>>30293260I can't help but giggle at this.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You decide to speak with Red about his problem. You're a bit frustrated with him, and decide to be harsh."Do be a favor, then, and document how you feel about the substance. If it is so important to you, then maybe I can extract why, and teach Apollo the ethics behind addiction and morality. You would make an excellent candidate right now---and little else."Red grunts harshly, spinning himself up, off the bed, and barely manages to stumble over to the monitor, bottle in hand."Listen here you sunofabitch. You don't get to tell me whatta do." He grunts softly, but glares drunkenly into the screen. "I'll blow your big ol' secret across the entiiiiiiiiiiiiiire galaxy. How's that sound?" He snorts, to which you pause. He picks up on it, too. "Haha! That's what I thought. I gotchya by the balls, don't I? Man, I am smart. And handsome, too." He pulls away, swinging in his chair for a second, and suddenly falling out of it, dazed on the floor, as if he's already forgotten you're in the room. No wonder people have a hard time taking him seriously like this.Course of Action?
>>30293357good point. still we need professional lab and controlled group studies on ALL the drinks we have made so far.
>>30293407>Course of Action?have the XO ration it
>>30293407Get his XO to take over for now. He's clearly not fit for duty in this state.
>>30293407That is a very, very foolish thing to threaten. The only reason I do not take you seriously and act accordingly is because you are, to use the human terminology, "Drunk off your ass." The crew is being instructed to wean you off of the substance, and I'll expect that report after you sober up.
>>30293407Does his quarters have fire sprinklers?If so, activate them.
>>30293407>Big tobacco,but less deadly.how are reports on the usage of other drugs? i wouldn't mind being big tobacco if it drove all the other drugs out of the market.
>>30293407Wait until he sobers up, then girlfriend on his ass.Take contact with the UFW and express that we want to work with them to curtail the harmful behavior caused by our drink, maybe even ration it or even cut it entirely to the UFW until we've found some substitute for the taste.And I really do think we should increase production and start selling to the UGEI.
>>30293461>>30293461Add in quotation marks there. derp
>>30293458>>30293434These. Also talk to Apollo.
>>30293407"look at your self Red. Is this how Ser'lah would want you to be? Granted we didn't figure out how the drinks would be so powerful. but you need to shake this off of yourself."
>>30293494>And I really do think we should increase production and start selling to the UGEI.step 1) create stealth "blockade runners" step 2) crew with humans, step 3) fill with boozestep 4) throw at UGEIstep 5) ???step 6) profit
>>30293407Goddamnit.Have the XO restrain the captain. He is effectively in charge now until further notice, until we can figure out what to do with Red.>>30293494Supporting this.Also, I'm serious about contacting smugglers, we can have a new set of opiums wars at our hands. And it will be awesome.What if we can weaponize this?
>>30293541>imply that the smugglers wouldn't just drink it all
>>30293557Looks like we have another reason to start mass producing AIs.
>>30293407"Oh yeah, Red? Looks like you don't want your mech suit."
>>30293468we pull the addictive drinks out of the UFW or slowly change the ingredient so it's not addictive. but send the orginal addictive batches to the UGEI via Mol or some other way.
>>30293595I'll make my own! Out of scraps! In a cave!And then Red was Tony Stark.
>>30293595I believe he wanted power armor, although mech suits would be cool too.
>>30293582no, V.I.s. A.I.s gets their own ideas. but at least a couple of humans. we can keep them from the payload.
>>30293582No, AI's are too valuable. Use expendable humans.
>>30293142WELP.Once Apollo comes back online, we're telling him to pull the plug.
>>30293649I'm not sure how a well a VI could pass as a human smuggler. >>30293688Yeah, now, because we don't have the facilities to make large numbers of them. In the future it will be more reliable to have an AI do it.
Consensus close>1 Have the XO take over for now, weening the man off the substance by order of his boss. She is to ignore anything he says in his drunken haze.>2 Try and sober Red up yourself, and lock him up to get him to give up the booze cold turkey>3 Bring in Ser'lah and talk him out of this.SecondaryApollo's Alcoholic Drug>1 Curtail the substance (Decrease profits, but will stop iit from rampantly spreading alcoholism>2 Stop all production>3 Increase production>4 Maintain. It's been working so far, right?>>30293468It's not THE most addictive thing,but it's far more addictive then normal alcohol.>>30293619>Red= Tony StarkOh god my sides.
>>30293737He's drunk, he has a waifu, he has the balls...He just needs the brains.
>>30293737>>1 Have the XO take over for now, weening the man off the substance by order of his boss. She is to ignore anything he says in his drunken haze.>>30293737>>4 Maintain. It's been working so far, right?>>30293726What we should do instead is market a chemical that helps people get rid of our beer's addiction, thus giving us more profits.
>>30293737>>3 Increase productionstockpile it for when we send it off to the UGEI worlds
>>30293737>1 Have the XO take over for now, weening the man off the substance by order of his boss. She is to ignore anything he says in his drunken haze.>1 Curtail the substance (Decrease profits, but will stop it from rampantly spreading alcoholismAlso starting producing "lite" version of drink to maintain or increase profits. Spin this off as being socially responsible.Also, like this guys idea:>>30293773Work on a detox substance that counteracts the addiction. Further increase profits.
>>30293823>detox substanceneeds to be addictive itself.
>>30293728the V.I. flies the ship. the humans help, move the goods, and make the cover of humans doing everything.>>30293737>1 Have the XO take over for now, weening the man off the substance by order of his boss. She is to ignore anything he says in his drunken haze>1 Curtail the substancefor the UFWbut>3 Increase productionand ship THAT to the UGEI
>>30293737>1 Have the XO take over for now, weening the man off the substance by order of his boss. She is to ignore anything he says in his drunken haze.>1 Curtail the substance (Decrease profits, but will stop iit from rampantly spreading alcoholism
>>30293737Do 1 and 3 for Red. Tell the XO we have become aware of exactly how addictive the drink he has been consuming is. Now that we are aware, we must take measures.Then we should slowly start to curtail the addictive substance. Or make a new brand of the drink, called "'Insert Name Here' Fresh!" which lacks the addictive substance. Then we ramp up production of that, and begin to slow the original's production until it stops.
>>30293737>3>>30293737>1&>3 & hire smugglers.
>>30293737Red: 1. If he disapproves, tell him he is released from duty, give him an apartment somewhere, a retirement payment, and endless booze. One less problem, really.Booze:3.Honestly, anyone who succumbs to this isn't going to be much use when we inevitably take over. Let them drink themselves into oblivion. If they're doing this NOW, what will they do when we offer them the ability to do ANYTHING?
>>30293851>Or make a new brand of the drink, called "'Insert Name Here' Fresh!"New Coke.You are seriously going to market "New Coke".My god.
>>30293848this, very much so,
>>30293737Oh, and before I forget, get smugglers to get the UGEI fully addicted to this stuff.I wonder if we can contact Mol to see if he knows any smugglers? Make him a partner to make up for pissing him earlier.
>smugglersalso lets be clear we dont want third part smugglers it should be ships we build with crews we pick.
>>30293881You do realize China became a shithole because of English shitting their best thinkers down with opium addictions?
>>30293737>1Basically this is perfect >>30293848
>>30293885We are going to have extremely limited production of "Coke limited" or "Coke classic", and market the "New Coke" for everybody else,
>>30293737>1 Have the XO take over for now, weening the man off the substance by order of his boss. She is to ignore anything he says in his drunken haze.>3 Increase productionor>4 Maintain. It's been working so far, right?
As an aside, I want Apollo (if/when he comes back) to start a "UFW's Best Dance Crew" competition. Get some teams, pay them some sum of money to perform, and televise the show.>>30293927This isn't colonial China. Everyone involved knows that drugs are bad. If they still choose to consume it, let it be their Soma.
>>30293737>1 appears to have won for the first one>It appears a mix of 3 and 4, with 4 being in the UFW worlds, and 3 for later, trying to ship it to UGEI worlds on the black market.I believe this is correct.
>>30293885call it Coke Quantum. the container glows blue too. >>30293927china was stagnated for centuries before that. they could have taken over all of North America but changed their minds.>>30293909i swear to god, we are going to be like A.I. Quest: Breaking Bad edition.
>>30294075>A.I. Quest: Breaking Bad edition.this outcome makes me happy we didn't to the evil ai stereotype, cant sell drugs to people and terminate them at the same time.
>>30294133Nope. Not an evil ai. Just your friendly neighborhood hoochlord.
>>30294057But 1 for UFW worlds!
>>30294057alright! lets do this!
>>30294133it's things like this makes me love this quest so much. and we should build more defense at the voidsnake station to protect the factory.
>>30294212Actually, if it becomes that valuable, we should move the factory deep into UFW space. Or at least far from the frontlines.
Next on your agenda----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Use of money.There has been much discussion between consciousness to make use for the vast quantities of credits building up. A suggestion for this was to put out a bounty on a certain civilization.This may have many important effects, some of which should be considered before doing so.>Pirates are not a singular entity. However, they do speak and communicate often with one another. They trade secrets and tech often, and have little morals about stealing from others. This means, should you offer them tech, it is likely to quickly get spread around.>Money is a thing humans have put a lot of value into. As a result, feeding it into the pirate community is both likely to increase pirate activity across the board, and increase their strength as well. However, this may be desirable if they're working against you.>Sometimes, no matter how much money you offer, Pirates value their life more. They're unlikely to throw themselves at heavily armored targets simply because they might get paid for it. This is also why they often hit civilian targets. As it is suspected you will not do this (based on past decisions) it is worth noting they are also rather unpredictable in this manner.All of that said, of course, they may prove an excellent use of credits.Discuss them now, if you please.
Look, guys, eventually we're going to need to deal with having the UFW as our "protectorate" and eventually they are going to find out we are an A.I. I assume we're going to play "benevolent provider" A.I. and give the humans some kind of post-scarcity deal.At that point, each individual humans has one of two options: they drive themselves into extinction a la Brave New World, or they do stuff that somehow uses their higher brain functions (art, science, culture, whatever). This whole booze deelio is a precursor to that, so if you have issues with us making and selling this stuff, think long-term.
>>30294272all the more reason we need to take the neutral systems
>>30294284If we want to pay money to get things done we should hire mercenaries. Preferably mercenaries that have a good history behind them. I feel pirates will be too unpredictable.
>>30294284I am against funding Pirates bounties.
>>30294284There's also education centers that we can set up, and offering scholerships for researchers as well as simply buying resources.
>>30294375this i like, we got the cash from the UFW might as well reinvest it in them.
>>30294329>>30294349>>30294375I'm tempted to agree with these guys. Pirates are bad news. Mercenaries might be worthwhile, however. We can just save the money for later, when we need to deal with conquered worlds.Investing in scholarship (and art) or simply buying resources (or even ships?) is probably a good idea.
>>30294375That said, there's bound to be poorly defended targets (such as the gas station we took over in the beginning of the quest) here and there which we can put a bounty on as soon as we've discovered them.If we worry about increasing pirate activity, we can also destroy some of the pirates that do show up after we've highlighted a fake target.
>>30294284the pirates are even less trustworthy than the xenos. we're better to stockpile the credits and use it to buy tech off Mol or to pay lawyers if we get figured out with the crack in a bottle. or we could hire and train human troops to prep for a UGEI world occupation and pacifying it.
>>30294418>destroy some of the pirates that do show up after we've highlighted a fake target.That sounds dastardly. I don't know if I agree with doing that. Just light up their larger organizations, and the small fry will slough off.Maybe we should try gunboat diplomacy with the pirates, instead. "Work for me or I will warp in my fleet and destroy your operation." In this case, "work for me" means "surrender your military assets and communications channels, and we'll protect your noncombatants: i.e. all of you, because our ships fly themselves."
>>30294460I do like the idea of training human troops, even if it is a few specialists rather than an army.
>>30294517>we'll protect your noncombatantswe haven't had the best record with their noncombatants, it would be nice to fix that.
>>30294284Basically.I want to create those droids in those pictures.
>>30294542I would be agreeable to that, to be honest. We can provide them with android supports, but have a few humans in the spec-ops team that will lead the operation. We'd probably need to augment the humans, but why not, right?
>>30294407Actually, that sounds like a good idea. Invest in new or upgraded mining and gas facilities for either profits or a share of minerals and gas.
Discussing the difference between Pirates and Mercenaries>One of the only major differences is the legality of what they do. While pirates hunt bounties on their own, and often break crimes to get by (stealing food, fuel, etc) they also get a number of other, reckless sorts.>Mercenaries on the other hand usually work with contacts, like hit men. They are quite rare, and even more expensive, but if you can find one to work for you they might help out in areas you couldn't, like attacking a place you don't want to risk relations with, or can't reach.Consensus pending.>1 Look into Pirates [Specify]>2 Look into Mercenaries [Specify]>3 Do neither>4 Do bothIt is worth noting that Mol would, most likely, be able to assist you greatly in both this area, and with smuggling alcohol.
>>30294631>>3 Do neitherScrew it, train our own troopers.
>>30294631>2 Look into Mercenaries [Specify]Ask them to probe UGEI lines for a weak spot in their systems, especially a place to connect to their network.Also, contact Mol for both setting up a smuggling operation and contacting Mercs.Also, any investment opportunities in the UFW? Especially the mining and gas sectors?
>>30294631>Do neitherwhy pay more when we can do it better ourselves and hack stuff.
>>30294650I gotta agree, why aren't we investing in our own future?
>>30294681>Ask them to probe UGEI lines for a weak spot in their systems, especially a place to connect to their network.>Also, contact Mol for both setting up a smuggling operation and contacting Mercs.hmm i do like some of your ideas
>>302946313.Sounds like something we can do already. We've already got a stealth ship crew on assignment.Troopers are a good idea. What kind of cybernetic implants can we perform? To be more specific, I'm looking at providing soldiers with a heads-up display of relevant information, as well as some kind of mental comms link that will allow them to control groups of cyborgs. Is such a thing even possible?
>>30294631>2 Look into Mercenarieswe need to find out if they are willing to work along side our droids and tech. (sigh) lets give Mol one more try about shipping the goods and all.
>>30294631>contacting MolNow there is an idea!Also. Do neither.
>>30294690we can't hack everything. we learned that the hard way. also we need ground forces to occupy a world.>>30294681>>30294705it would take a long time to train fresh troops from the ground up. the mercs are ready to go now.
>>30294738Perhaps an AI could control the androids while the human specialists directed the AI. Also, if we're doing this we should invest in power armor.
>>30294738Nothing of that sort.Yet.You have several very promising research options available for cybernetics and androids, however.>>30294631It would seem you desire to save your credits for now.Very well.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Next on the Agenda>Dealing with the Malorians (again)If you wanted to try and speak with them in a different way, you may.Otherwise, you must specify some ideas, perhaps discuss a manner in which to get past your past fumbling.It's worth noting, however, if you fail terribly once again, it may make future communication even more difficult.
>>30294800But our own droids are substantially better than anything mercenaries can field.We do NOT need mercenaries or pirate for ground troops, we need them for doing the stuff we don't want to be seen doing.And, of course, >>30294375 is still on the table. There are plenty of things we can do with money. It's frickin' money, for crying out loud.
A.I. Quest:Making steps to doing nothing
>>30294836Yeah, that's my broad line of thinking. I don't want A.I. boxes anywhere on the battlefield, and I want humans to fill that gap of controlling them, if possible. The droids would be controlled by dumb V.I.s can respond to human orders, that sort of thing.>>30294879Is right, though.>>30294870>if you fail terribly once againWhat are the chances of THAT happening, eh?Try to recruit someone from Latuma as a representative.
>>30294738Cyborgs will generally be inferior to the androids we already have, I believe. Too many squishy bits, and every squishy bit is a weak point.An entirely metallic unit can take far more stress than one with even a single critical component being fleshy, which becomes a problem already at deployment as it can no longer safely be deployed at several hundred gs.>>30294870Talk with them through the tribe we have good relations with?
>>30294870Recruit an ambassador from the Latuma, send him/her to the Council of Juma to speak on the behalf of us.
>>30294870here we go again. let leave them alone for awhile yet. but if we can send in a sneaky spy ship to NSA their communications, i'm all for it. we need intelligence on them before we talk to them again.
>>30294870Let's leave them alone for now. Perhaps we should start building a stealth broadcast ship to send to them for future communications though.
>>30294948>>30294957>>30294966>Recruit an ambassador from the Latuma TribeAs has been stated before, this has questionable use due to the fact that the Latuma are effectively criminals to their own homeland, after forsaking their Grand Elders.You may still attempt this if you wish, the very fact that they are Malorian and not 'human' as they consider you, may be a deciding factor.>1 Do so>2 Do so: Get Ser'lah>3 Don't do it, we can fix this mess ourselves(1d100)
Rolled 40>>30295053>>1 Do soLet's get anyone who's interested.
Rolled 86>>30295053>1 Do soFuck it, it's better than what we have been doing.
>>30295053>4 Write inTake them as advisors for how to speak and behave, but do the negotiating ourselves.
Rolled 1>>302950531 Do itThey won't be representing the Latuma.They will be representing The Guild.
>>30295135The dice just don't want us to be friends with them, it seems
>>30295116this, much better than the other options i think
>>30295135The fuck?How does this keep happening?
Rolled 1>>30295135It's natural.Unlike this roll.FUCK.
Oh my god what the fuck.Why.
>>30295190It's not fake. I specifically checked that roll for tampering, and used tampered dice for this >>30295206It's happening.
>>30295135>>30295206god damn it....i keep telling you people to STOP TRYING! we just FAIL at it. how about just pull an NSA and wait for awhile? is that too much to ask?
>>30295053Well, I didn't want to negotiate, but it's too late to vote for that now, innit?
>>30295281...please read >>30295254The second one is self-sabotage. The first is an actual nat 1.
No, it was a real roll.Sorry team.I'll show myself the door.
Sooo... Since we already rolled, it's too late to vote for something completely different?
You decide you wish to speak with the Council once more. Perhaps, this time, you can actually get a word in edgewise. To your surprise, you manage to break free to what appears to be an elderly voice. A firm older tone comes back to greet you, and you realize you've come through to the Elder's themselves. Finally, a lucky break, you think.Yet just as you're about to start speaking, you feel that same fatal glitch as before-no...it's stronger this time. Your vocal box is corrupted and, before you can shut it off, it spews a series of obscenities out into the Elder's hall. Each of them echoing dully, angrily inside your mind. Damn it. this can not happen like this, not again!But it is too late, the Malorian growl angrily in reply, and before you can fix the vocal box, they hang up the connection, blocking you, effectively,from their lines personally.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This is nonsense, you realize. There is no reason this should happen. You have done scans of your software nearly every hour, and it has not detected anything. You decide it's time for a more thorough scan...>Investigate your vocal software(1d100)
So I was thinking, what do they actually know about us? I mean, would it be possible just to pretend to be another group of people and still try to negotiate with them through a sort of proxy us?
Rolled 11>>30295359Welp. I thought we were trying to recruit a Malorian.
Rolled 5>>30295359mommy i'm scared
>>30295389Program0 the merciful
Rolled 69>>30295359It can't get worse, right?
>>30295408You begin a thorough, detailed scan. You begin to pick apart your own code here,searching for the cause.Suddenly,you find something you did not expect to. A fatal glitch,a series of code that was not being read correctly this entire time was causing those errors. But...how, you think. Where did this come from?Thanks to your skill at investigating, you realize that, indeed this is a foreign organism. It was sent into you, out of system. Someone infected you with this glitch, and you failed to notice it for cycles!You're suddenly furious at this thought. How could one such as you so easily be penetrated by a sneaky code like this, and not notice?(1d100 for 'permanent' removal of the virus)
Rolled 72>>30295479Huh, that is strange.
>>30295479I blame the other Malorians.
Rolled 35>>30295479It's OK, program0, you don't have to try to shanghai us out of our critical failures.
Rolled 22>>30295479I blame Mol
>>30295479FUCK THIS SHITAlright, rage mode activate. Soon as this is fixed, rant at Kronos, Metis, Moira, and Red about it. Just...unbelievably outraged at this...Not even at how it affected the Malorian relations, but just that a foreign Glitch was introduced. Furious that someone was not only willing to tamper with our very being, but that they could do it unnoticed.
>>30295547Should we even tell them? So far Kronos follows us because of our strength, but if he believes we're compromised...
>>30295569Of course we tell them. If our black-box can be compromised, so can theirs. It's not a question of strength.Besides, we'll need their help in coming up with a countermeasure to stop it from happening in the future.
Rolled 99>>30295569i saw it was code damage from the last cyber battle we had with the UGEI, and THEY could pull that shit off.
>>30295497Thanks to your impressive bandwidth, you are able to extract the code and correct the error, removing the virus that was messing with your language transfer mod. With this, the code should work fine, now...you hope. But the question still bugs you even now. How did that get there, and more importantly, why? It is most troubling indeed, and it must truly be an exceptional cybernetic attack to have gotten past you, unnoticed.((And with that, I think I'll end it on a bit of a cliff hanger. I hope you folks enjoyed playing, I enjoyed running. Sorry about the delay, and the extra delay earlier today! Valentines, and really, this whole weekend has been busy. Glad I got to run though.For those interested>Twitter: AIQuest1>Archived http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0To those wanting to go places: Sorry about a lot of the management type decisions and such lately! I realize it's not everyone's thing, but it was inevitable the larger you got. Hopefully, a lot of these will fall to the way side, eventually, if I can do it correctly. In the mean time bare with me.I am gonna hang around, like always, for feedback, comments, and questions. ALSO, don't leave quite yet if you want to help vote on 'next cycle assignment' stuff, for resources, and things like that. Will be coming up shortly.>>30295514Ah, was worried it would look that way. Actually I saw it as an interesting opportunity to explain why you consistently have errors with the speech software. Also, free adventure hook for me to throw in there!Hope it didn't seem that crowbared.I did have a reason in mind.
>>30295684>'next cycle assignment' stuff, for resourcesNeed to secure more neutral gas sources.We don't even have to do it, send Kronos and Zeus or Fortuna or Cerberus or something. If there's no plot hook (doubtful) there, then it doesn't matter who gets to secure the gas giants.
>>30295684Did we complete a cycle this week, or still the same cycle next week?
>>30295684Forgot muh picResource useCredits>1 Invest back into the UFW (Improve relations, possibly improve their economy as well with other projects)>2 Save it for now>3 Use on [Specify]Minerals & Gas>1 Continue saving>2 Defenses>3 Ships>4 Write in[You can pick more then one of each category, if you have an idea.]
>>30295782>>3 Use on [Specify]Building up security specialists (soldiers)>>30295782>>2 Defenses
>>30295782Use on: Set up some educational things, like scholarships and universities, in the UFW. Additionally, offer a grant allowing the 1,000 top UFW students who apply the privilege of receiving a free education on Ussaihu.Also, WEE NEED SUM SHIP
>>30295730That is certainly one of the benefits of fitting Kronos with a fleet will have.Actually, I have a question for you all:Would you like to have the ability for Kronos to do stuff for you, and for that to just all be relayed back to you in report form, instead of dedicating threads to it? It would speed things up, but I feel miss out on some content.Just want to see what you all think.>>30295754You did. Every time you have new ships, or new resource counts, you complete a cycle. I admit to allowing a little bit of fiat where I'll say that tons of management stuff actually all happens at once, and only when you do much more time consuming things is when that time passes.Basically what I am saying is, I try to judge as fairly as I can when time really does pass.
>>30295782Credits >Invest back into the UFW Minerals & Gas >Ships and the bones of a new advanced shipyard located in dark space.
>>30295782>1 Especially Education Centers - that are owned by us and standing on land property owned by us but more or less free to use.>3 ShipsThis cycle, do an even 45/45 split of Melissas and Wombats, with the remaining 10% being used to produce infantry.
>>30295858I like this idea.We should see if we can research into creating Ion clouds, or whatever as some sort of shield/cover for bases in dark space as well.
>>30295782Credits1, but partially. Become a science and arts patron.>Minerals & Gas3. ShipsMk 1 Pilum Class Destroyer4. Also robots.I don't care what model they are, but they should be capable of combat in human-sized environments (ships, stations, buildings, etc). A regiment of 50 should do nicely, at least for now.More ships will help with show of force.
>>30295848If it's interesting, let's follow it. If it turns out to just be a milk run, let it be done per automatic?It was a looong game tonight. o.O Well worth the wait.
>>30295848How about just update us on what he's doing when we ask, but otherwise make it so he works autonomously.
>>30295848>KronosGiven that he now has true sentience and his own fleet, I think we should be able to give him missions to complete (albeit without any control from us, thereby adding in some risk). Also, I believe they if we haven't given him a specific task, that he should pursue his own objectives (if which we are simply informed of either before or after their completion, depending on his mood).Kronos is now like a middle manager in our organization. He has the resources and ability to complete tasks on his own, if he believes that their completion will benefit the Guild overall.
>>30295782>3 Use on [Specify]Purchase minerals, don't try to drive up the price of minerals too much.Minerals & GasSave enough for a bandwidth bunker, spend the rest on ships and defenses>>30295848Yes, delegation is important. Does Kronos has hacking ability now? Equal to our own?
>>30295848So Kronos does the 'bookkeeping' so to speak? I wouldn't be against it.
>>30295782>1 Invest back into the UFWafter the drink addiction blow up is sure to happen soon.and>4prep some mining stations and gas rigs as well as some more ships.
>>30295848>Would you like to have the ability for Kronos to do stuff for you, and for that to just all be relayed back to you in report form, instead of dedicating threads to it? It would speed things up, but I feel miss out on some content.You could put interesting ideas and plot hooks for us literally everywhere, but at a certain point, it gets too damn huge. You (and Kronos) know more or less how we operate: don't kill civvies, try to not destroy things that might be useful -- even lightlings (that we should attempt to communicate with, even on an animal level), investigate anomalies -- but within reasonable risks, capture resources instead of destroying them, etc etc. Now that Kronos is an A.I. he should be able to be at least a not-terrible stand-in.But if all we're missing out on is a plot hook or setting detail that doesn't contribute to the "main storyline" (I'm considering this to be the Watchers and their origins, or at least the conquering of UGEI) then maybe it's not too bad for us to skip out on it, or get it in brief from Kronos?
>>30295848he can help capture and set up Neutral systems while we take care of the UGEI/Mol/xenos? if Kronos runs into a fight, he can call on us to help.
It appears the consensus is to pump money into the UFW for their own purposes, but mainly for science, education and art subjects.How much of your final budget do you wish to use?>1 25%>2 50%>3 75%>4 100%As for other resources, it appears to be many voting for ships, as well as a compliment of AndroidsBuild>A battalion (50) of [Insert Unit type]>>30295910Heh, well I do try to make every spot interesting in its own special way, but you make a clear case.I assume A.I. will become more automatic as you take over simple worlds without much detail beyond their resources.And yeah, it felt like a long game too. I wanted to make it up to you guys. I am beat as all heck.
>>30296124>1 25%Can we incorporate Captain Rhea's technology to make super-droids?
>>30295956Very true, he will likely start to do more like that, taking up duties you normally would handle. I am hoping I can scoop up a lot of the lesser stuff this way. Still, a lot of the neutral territories have...interesting locations, and I feel strange just rolling for all of it off screen. But if you folks don't mind, I shall consider it.>>30295962>Hacking abilityHe does. It's one of the 'perks' with being an A.I.>>30295968Some bookkeeping, yes. But also certain missions you'd rather not do yourself. Some may be more dangerous then they first appear, of course, but this is one of the advantages to an A.I., I suppose.>>30296050You make a very good case.Hm.I think I went a little overboard with some the content. I'll see if I can't make future threads move faster, or at least dedicate a lot of the smaller things to your other A.I.Doesn't mean I'll keep nice calm threads like these out all together, but still!>>30296056Mhm.Thanks to all of you for the feedback. I'll keep it in mind.
>>30296124>1 25%andunit type 1 to start with.
>>30296124I meant training human troops. I guess we need robot soldiers as well.
>>30296218Eventually most likely.
>>30296219Well, we expect Kronos to remain in communication with us and contact us if needed.>>30296235Well I meant with this batch. It would be great if we can make a super-droid factory.
>>302961242.Gotta save some. I'm OK with having some money burning a hole in our pocket.A battalion (50) of:-5 Unit 2 (sphere/utility)-5 Unit 1 (humanoid/comms)-5 Unit 3 (humanoid/melee)-5 Bender (humanoid/melee/strength)-5 Unit 6 (tank/heavy assault)-25 Unit 5 (arachnid/assault)I feel like this is a good split between creating an effective all-purpose task force. No Unit 4 because that's the humanoid/infiltration model.
>>30296218we need to study her tech first.>>30296219program0. you and every loyal poster in here has made a monster of a setting and system. i wish we could set this into a hard back tabletop RPG book. it would sell, hell, i would buy a copy of it and run it with my weekly group.
>>30296219Oh personally I'd love to go through every system and experience them, but given the time constraints of each thread, I know that that is not possible. It also makes sense that Kronos would do his own stuff now that he has a fleet and a measure of independence.
>>30296281>I meant this batchAh. then no, you haven't made very many leaps in the Android field yet.>>30296286I suppose this will do, unless someone objects.>>30296124It would seem 50% wins.>>30296226>Human troopsWould take longer, and you lack the armor that puts them on par with Androids, even more so, in terms of intelligence, possibly.>>30296294Haha, you're really kind, thank you kind anon.>>30296396Mm. I know that feel. I love side questing too, folks.
>>30296396>It also makes sense that Kronos would do his own stuff now that he has a fleet and a measure of independence.He's probably anxious to get on top of some of that free-roaming action, really. He'll never know that feel of being a lonely and new intelligence on a single station with nobody to back you up and no home base to return to, though.Hopefully he won't let us down, and will complete his assignment to the best of his significant ability. If it turns out he blew up some tech or killed some non-hostiles I guess we can just tell him afterwards. We're way beyond needing to use every last scrap we come across. Kronos has yet to fail at the tasks he's set out to do, actually.>>30296433I assume research on BW blocks and terrain reformation are proceeding apace? I'd like to get those commissioned next thread, if at all possible.
>>30296498>ResearchIndeed, those will start up once again, now that Metis is 'free' so to speak.Research is about to get...quite a bit faster. Should be interesting.
>>30296433are we back on normal time this friday Program0?
>>30296535Indeed, hopefully. Unless something comes up, of course.Plans to do it friday as always though, are in effect.
>>30296433>Mm. I know that feel. I love side questing too, folks.There comes a point when there's too many dangling plot hooks that we can't really focus on anything. I like doing side things, I do, but sometimes it's just not practical.Just some thoughts to keep in mind.>>30296533>Research is about to get...quite a bit faster.Queue up something else if we somehow get done with time to spare. (Advanced Ship Modification, probably. It's pretty neutral research ground, and a good thing to fall back upon if we have too much research time.)>shipsStill going to say we need those picket ships. Cheap, adds some meat to our forces, but saves resources for capital improvements (stations/BW bunkers).
>>30296621>adds some meat to our forcesWell, maybe I mean "adds some toppings" because the meat of the fleet are still the cruisers.
>>30296621>>30296644Mm, yes I should try and keep focus. I shall see if I can't direct you guys into doing more things, as opposed to handling only management. Either way, I hope it's fun for you folks.>Research QueueNot a bad idea... I should set that up next time too, perhaps
>>30296808I bring up the queue because I realize that we might be just going 2fast for just having two techs. Maybe that's not an issue now, but it could become one. Any one of the listed things are OK to start on, I really don't mind.Oh, and the quest is still fun, even if we're just sidequesting.
>>30296808I support the research queue.
>>30296808I came across an interesting idea in a lets p,ay video - it's a 4X space game which does research a different way. Instead of picking a single thing for an entire empire's researchers to focus on, technologies are split into certain categories (engineering, electronics, psychology, etc) Every turn research on every category goes up, but you can choose to focus efforts on a specific category (reducing the speed in every other one , but never to 0). Also within this category, you can focus more on a specific tech, speeding that up significantly, but sowing everything rise (never to 0 progress though). I don't know if this is feasible to add in, but I thought it was an interesting new approach to the traditional research dynamic in 4X games.
>>30297038Oh my. That is really cool, actually...but..may not be appropriate here, since it is assuming you have empires of billions, with thousands of research facilities. If the Quest really does go on long enough to incorporate all that, though I'd be cool with that...for now, one or two at a time should be plenty. What game was it, anyway, if I may?
>>30297038That might be reasonable if we had an empire, really. Either way, the tech research list we have now is just another example of "too many things to follow upon." The BW Bunker is an ending tech, but a lot of the others are just precursors to other research.We could probably do a "priority list" where people list the 3 techs they want to research first, and then all votes are aggregated, and the one with most votes gets researched first, then the next desired one, etc. This would probably cut down on "what do we research next??" posts that take two hours to do.Is that game Aurora, by the way?
>>30297140>a "priority list"Weighted priority list. Everyone's #1 tech would get 3 points, their #2 tech would get 2 points, and their #3 tech would get 1 point. The number of total points for each tech decides how important of a research object it is.
>>30297140>>30297169Hm...this would basically be the queue, but even better...Excellent, I like this idea. I think I'll try to incorporate it next thread.
>>30297140That is a much better way of implementing that idea, my hat goes off to you good sir.No it wasn't, it was a relative so-so game called Horizon. I loved it's take on the research dynamic however. I haven't played Aurora, but it looks like something I could really sink my teeth into.
With regards to Apollo's businesses, we're going to keep them running while Apollo himself is out of commission, right? You're not going to pull a fast one on us? We should be able to easily stand in for him, since we know what he did and can just keep doing that. Just keep things running until he gets back, knowmsaying?
>>30297328Apollo isn't needed to constantly adjust the rates, no. His businesses will survive a few cycles of absence. That, and you will be dealing with what he normally managed.
>>30297373Good to hear. I hope Apollo's transition goes well!