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Arland Summit Summary: Goals, Objectives, and Major Characters (thanks to Sorry for helping me and the players out!):

http://pastebin.com/FsP2C5Hr
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Your gathered allies have arrived in Arland, a war council set to gather their combined forces to face the demons and mages of Kan-Abar.

At the moment, you have the strong support of Matthel Flint; Hemmelus, the sage; the Lord Imil Anderson; and, hopefully, Harvan Flint.

Firmly against you stand Gerald Flint, Lord Prule Waterford, and Arcturis Flint himself.

You've worked with Yi Fang, Hemmelus, and Adavan to trace the other end of Donovan's parasite, and you are now in the bowels of Dobshire, beneath the bedrock upon which the citadel sits.

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Ability Tree

GREEN abilities have been unlocked and learned.

BLUE abilties are unlocked, but are not yet purchased.

RED abilities are revealed, but locked due to prerequisites.

UNDERLINED abilities are active-use, as opposed to passive. Not all active abilities require mana.

All Revealed Ability Descriptions:

http://pastebin.com/UBdTaB14

Books the Main Character has read:

http://pastebin.com/dAXR00gP

Character Sheet including learned abilities and other important information:

http://pastebin.com/JjjiRx6u

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Current Statistics:

HP: 81/81
Mana: 42/58
EXP: 0

Shards of Order and Chaos:

(Retribution) - Strong
(Maker) - Strong
(Silence) - Strong
(Peace) - Strong
(Breeze) - Empowered
(Hammer) - Strong
(Ardor) - Strong
{Resolve} - Empowered
{Humanity} - Resonant

--Summoned--

Wisp - 1 mana to order

--Automatons--

Vita (Shade)

--Equipment--

Utility belt with purse

--Inventory--

Aurora Water Gem (pocket)
Shade (pocket)

--Teleport Anchor--

Haven - Inner Fortress

--Current Location--

Dobshire

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Known Mana Pools:

Jacob's Field - entrance to Hecate's tomb - Spirit
Palthair Mines - Magnock's Lair - Spirit
Archon - Spirit District - Spirit
Archon - Shadow District - Shadow
Archon - Earth District - Earth
Archon - Water Distric - Water
Haven - Shadow
Abbotsford - Shadow
Aurora - Water
Va'ad - South Generator - Earth
Va'ad - North Generator - Earth

What I thought was the best course of action from the last thread:
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I feel like the best thing we could do is ....

Confront arcturius at the castle on the way back, like we're out for a walk.
and be like
"Look king, i didn't want to say this in front of guests, but there's a really powerful curse on your son and its time we told you about it."
"The reason we're here, now, is because we've found a way to remove it safely - and I mean myself, fang, and the others that can see it."
"I suppose what i'm asking for is your blessing, since this is your land and I don't want to be a rude guests. I'd do anything for my friends, and your son is the best one I have."

And just hit him in his feelings.
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Other ideas:
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I want to discuss things with Arty first regardless, even if just to say "Yo, Flint's my bro, angels are actually evil, I still want this alliance to go down so we can stand against the demons and Ring City but I'm fucking this spell up regardless so later."
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Actually, we should just destroy the spell tonight, with Fang's help, and then tomorrow, tell the king that the spell was destroyed and Sandalphon will blame him when he finds out. That way the king will be forced to side with us regardless, because he will need protection from Sandalphon.

Sup SM.

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>Last time...

You flit across the room.

Your senses didn't betray you - there's a river on one side of the cavern, just exposed above the ground. You slip into it, keeping a limb on the stone to hold yourself in place. There's a firm current, but not anything you couldn't swim against.

They didn't notice you at all. Metatron stands before the mirror, his palms out.

Arcturis taps a flint on the stone. "Tonight!" His voice echoes around the room.

"He was probably sleeping," Metatron says. He glances over his shoulder, and his eyes flash red. "Moreover, there are limits even to my patience, Lord Flint. The Most High is not at your beck and call. But I sympathize with your situation, and so here I stand, calling upon him. Please control yourself."

Arcturis settles on his feet and folds his arms. Metatron turns back to the mirror.

Luckily, the exchange gives you more than enough time to Analyze the room, and its occupant. Metatron is Light - as are all the angels - and Fire. Like Lucifer, he has a strong secondary element. More interesting, though, is that metal armor, almost like a second skin. You doubt he's as quick as Lucifer, but he's probably a lot sturdier. Taking him on alone would be an extremely dangerous prospect...

The spell, itself, seems to speak to you. Eight elements. All eight. Every shade of Chaos. And then you see it - the other end of the shel'kath, embedded in the spell.

They're collecting Donovan's power to make this thing work. You can only conclude that seven other mages have already had their turn...

And you can tell that this is a summoning spell. It's THE summoning spell. But what it intends to summon...that, you can only guess at.

The mirror begins to waver.

>con't

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqbgWyJuxME

Sandalphon's visage appears within the ivory boarders. "Metatron. I hope you - ah. The Lords Flint."

"Most High," Arcturis growls. "You lied to me."

"He is aware," Metatron says, "that you Donovan's life has been...effected...by the shel'kath."

"And?"

"And." Arcturis clenches his fists. "And?! You said he would be unharmed!"

"Is he living, and breathing?" Sandalphon says. "Has he not found love with that whore traitor?"

Metatron blinks. "Most High. Auriel - "

"Was a failure before Hyperion blessed her, and was weak-willed panderer to public opinion after he blessed her. What he saw in her I do not know, but I respected her stature because Hyperion's judgement lies above ours. But now that she has shown her true colors, we will deal with her in time." He looks at Arcturis. "What do you want from me, Lord Flint? It is late."

"We find another mage, tomorrow," Arcturis says. "I will not have my son bound by this thing any further. Or I'll join in with Archon, Sandalphon, and I swear by the elements, I am not bluffing."

"Arcturis," Sandalphon says, "we are about to summon the Lord of Light back from the Core of Chaos. Do not test me."

"I'm not testing you," Arcturis says. "I'm telling you!"

"You don't have a choice."

"What?! You will not - after lying to me for decades, I will not allow - "

"Half your nobles would side with me," Sandalphon says. "The Black Lady has been managed. I will arrive in Arland tomorrow. Do not touch the spell. If you do, I will have no choice but to conclude that you have turned against Hyperion Himself, and you may rail your complaints against the bars of the prison in Nelmar."

"I - "

>con't

Remember the three step plan

1.Destroy and disrupt the summoning spell TONIGHT
2.Have Donovan tell daddy Flint that he destroyed the summoning ritual
3.Bring forth the Black Lady before Sandlethong shows up.

"I will not repeat myself. I have waited 700 years for this, Lord Flint. You were not there when Erebus annihilated our armies, the four elemental lords. You were not there when the world fell to chaos. You were not there when I rebuilt it from ash and smoke. You were not there when I spared your grandfather Yi Fang's wrath so that Arland might have its day. We would not be having this conversation had my healers not saved your life when you were a child. I will not be denied the return of the Lord of Light, I will not have the masterstroke that I and my angels have worked on for CENTURIES, RUINED, BECAUSE IN YOUR OLD AGE YOU HAVE A FEW GUILTY MISGIVINGS!"

"...is what has happened to Donovan permanent?"

"Grow a damn spine." His visage vanishes. Arcturis is left there, staring at his feet.

"Father," Matthel says, "I'm sorry."

"Sorry." Arcturis turns to his son. "That's why you defended him. You stuck with him. You knew. You felt guilty. Did you ever truly love your brother at all?"

In that moment, Matthel looks so hurt that you almost feel bad for him.

Almost.

"...I love Donovan," Matthel says. "But if he knew..."

"Don't try to fool yourself. If he knew, he'd still be against it."

"Gentlemen," Metatron says. "You'd best get some sleep. I have a spell to maintain. Tomorrow is sure to be a tumultuous day."

Arcturis and Matthel make for the elevator.

What do you do now?

>try to slip in after them
>remain in the room
>escape down the river
>some other strategy

>>30222248

wassup

I'd say slip in after them, can always strike up a conversation on the way back.

>>30222290
>remain in the room

>>30222290
>escape down the river

then make way to Flint ASAP

>>30222290
I'd say slip in after them, since there's a chance Flint and company are on their way right now.

>>30222328
Oh you friend, you and me. We're the same.

>>30222290
>escape down the river
This way we can come back through the river.

>>30222290
>try to slip in after them

If we decide to talk to Arty before disrupting the spell, we should follow him and call off the gang.
If we're disrupting the spell and worrying about damage control after, we still should regroup with everyone and come down with backup.
If we disrupt it before killing metalface, we'll have a superpowered light knight on our side.
Either way, we'll need to follow these guys out of here and send a message to our group before taking action.

>>30222290
>try to slip in after them
Metatron would probably wreck our shit and we've got to make sure that Flint doesn't kill Arcturius in a fit of rage.

Regardless, we need to get back down here later to fuck this summoning system up before Sandalthong gets to Arland.

>>30222354
+1

>>30222290
Do we NEED Flint here to destroy the Shel'Kath or can we just do it and solve the problem?

>>30222274
Just saying it now that motherfucker DOES NOT look pure light

Wait how the hell far down are we. I saw something about bedrock.

>>30222290
10 mana Nightblaze.

Is only reasonable, yes?

>>30222290
>remain in the room
Lets wait until he leaves and then fuck some shit up big time.

>>30222403
Very.

Alright, someone requested this be pasted to the new thread:

"I feel like the best thing we could do is ....

Confront arcturius at the castle on the way back, like we're out for a walk.
and be like
"Look king, i didn't want to say this in front of guests, but there's a really powerful curse on your son and its time we told you about it."
"The reason we're here, now, is because we've found a way to remove it safely - and I mean myself, fang, and the others that can see it."
"I suppose what i'm asking for is your blessing, since this is your land and I don't want to be a rude guests. I'd do anything for my friends, and your son is the best one I have."

And just hit him in his feelings."

Standby for brainstorming!

Also this:
"
Guys, we need to decide what we do, NOW.

The way i see it, we have three options:

1) Wait for them to leave, and fight NOW.
2) Slip in the elevator and maybe think about convincing arcturius to change his mind
3)Escape, warn our allies, and come right back down, and beat metatron's ass with the help of our allies right above the cathedral"

Favor last thread seemed to be for:
Slip out
Speak to/break arcturius's loyalty
Come back with friends
Beat metatrons ass
Steal/consume the mirror
Kill the shael-kath and free fling
then stick the near- completed spell in our Pocket and hold hyperion's return hostage when sandy shows up tomorrow.

>>30222290
>escape down the river
This secures an easy way back.

>>30222350
I mean since we got our Wisp to tip off Flint with the out-of-context quotes, Donovan might be pretty steamed right now, even though his dad isn't as huge a jerk as we thought.

Also Matthel might encourage the misunderstanding to get his dad out of the way, since Arcturius seems to be being difficult.

>>30222290
>>30222428

>>escape down the river

Escape down the river, catch arcturious out for a walk at night, returning to the castle.

Use telepathy to inform our allies what's going on on the way.

Then enact plan beatdown, depending on what arcturius has to say in private

Essentially>>30222428

Vote 1:
>remain in the room

Vote 2:
>slip into the elevator with Arcturis and Matthel

Vote 3:
>escape down the river

>>30222473
2

>>30222473
2

Wait a second
Metatron < Lucy
I think we might be able to kill him.

>>30222473
1

>>30222473
3

Just caught up from the archives, and I have to say SM, this quest is pretty sex.

>>30222487

yes, BUT we shouldn't DO IT NOW


Donovan NEEDS TO KNOW, as do our allies sitting outside the cathedral about to be caught by arcturius and matthel going up!

>>30222473
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>>30222473
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>>30222504

Glad to hear it!

>>30222379
We probably don't need him, but it'd be nice to see what he can do at full power. Assuming we can just 420blaze the spell and instantly get Flint to full strength.
With our luck, all the power would probably fuck Flint over somehow though.

>>30222403
>>30222405
>>30222419
There is nobody here who wants to leave this thing going until Sandals gets here, but we know the way back so there is literally no reason to get back to the group.
Keep in mind that they know the king and Matthel were talking, but not that the king didn't know. We don't want them to start shit when we have the spell to worry about.

>>30222428
>Slip out
>Speak to/break arcturius's loyalty
>Come back with friends
>Beat metatrons ass
>Steal/consume the mirror
>Kill the shael-kath and free fling
>then stick the near- completed spell in our >Pocket and hold hyperion's return hostage >when sandy shows up tomorrow.
I'd say just disrupt the spell before fighting Metatron, don't see much point in keeping the spell, and there's a risk Sandals ends up finishing it anyway. Hopefully we'll be able to get Arcturius to side with us or use the "they angels will blame you" threat to get him on our side, and have the entire city repel Sandals.

>>30222504
Welcome to Shadow Quest.
Enjoy your stay.

>>30222473
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>>30222473
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>>30222473
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Just got home! I typed this up last night and it ended up being a little too long to post in here, so here is a pastebin link to some of my ramblings on this

http://pastebin.com/SNhpvyGu

>>30222533
>there is literally no reason to get back to the group.
No reason to NOT get back to the group.

>>30222473
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>>30222473
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>>30222428

I hate this plan Veto.

i would much rather just force Arcturis's hand

And i don't want Hyperion back, I doubt he would be very happy with us and it could start Elementomachy 2 electric boogaloo

>>30222533
>but we know the way back so there is literally no reason to get back to the group.
It requires wind magic, possibly from one of the Flints, to get back.
So we need to convince Arcturius to help if we leave.

We CAN'T fuck up the diplomacy roll if we leave, or else we're fucked. Absolutely fucked to the point that we'll have to go XP hunt like mad and then Erasure the whole thing.

>>30222473
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>>30222473
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>>30222473
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>>30222533
I'd say just disrupt the spell before fighting Metatron, don't see much point in keeping the spell, and there's a risk Sandals ends up finishing it anyway. Hopefully we'll be able to get Arcturius to side with us or use the "they angels will blame you" threat to get him on our side, and have the entire city repel Sandals.

Guys, this is delicate as shite.

I'm not saying we delay until sandy gets here, but i AM saying we act ont his information TONIGHT.

The ~only~ reason i say we don't eat the spell is because.....
.... Hyperion is the only source of anything in the world which could convince the angels to stop being dicks and get off their asses and help.
And we can dreamwalk through the nether to talk to him.
that alone makes the possibility of keeping the spell around worth considering.

>>30222532
Can we consume the spell?

Why the fuck do people want to slip in with Matthel and Arcturus?

We can't go back that way without tipping off Metatron, we can't talk to them right now without causing a huge mess, we can't get to our allies easily and get them here without securing a route for them to follow.

At least set a portal here before leaving if you're all going to be this stupid.

>>30222473
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>>30222553
Because Flint and Yi Fang are waiting outside the cathedral hoping to ask Arcturius some very pointed questions?

And Matthel might spin the whole thing to his advantage?

>>30222473

cutting off votes

>>30222620
>At least set a portal here before leaving if you're all going to be this stupid.
This. We need an alternate route into here.

Using the elevator to get back is retarded.

>>30222620
It's because we made a mistake by sending Wisp and might cause a severe misunderstanding that we cannot afford right now.

>>30222590
>i would much rather just force Arcturis's hand

Alright, HOW do we do that?

>>30222590
Well im vetoing your veto because that guy actually has a plan, and i'm fairly sure you're a troll suggestion.
taking the spell hostage is a means of getting Sandy to stop being a douche and listen, and we can also potentially repurpose it to summon a different lord back. Its a powerful artifact worth considering keeping around

>>30222652
too late for that, unless people don't mind us pocketing the.(but there is a problem with the old mage.

>>30222652
>>30222620
Isn't the portal like super obvious though

>>30222620
>At least set a portal here before leaving if you're all going to be this stupid.
Good idea.

Roll 1d100

>>30222652
Can we do that without Metatron noticing us? Doesn't seem very stealthy.

>>30222648

Blink us into the elevator, at least, since it doesn't interrupt stealth

Also, EVERYONE here needs to read past this point in last thread
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/30199228/#p30207648
Because there's a lot of good ideas and we need to continue that train of thought on how to play this and not fuck up the negotiations.

>>30222685
Not if you put it in a place that isn't. Like underwater.

Then just put people in the Pocket for a sec and dump them out afterwards.

Rolled 63

>>30222688

Rolled 70

>>30222688
It begins

Rolled 8

>>30222688
let's go

Rolled 91

>>30222688

I will allow you to change your portal anchor to this room if you'd like.

Yes/no?

>>30222677
So anything that doesn't agree with you is a troll?
>taking the spell hostage is a means of getting Sandy to stop being a douche and listen
not him, but wow.that is a horrible idea in the making and i would rather fuck up his plans instead.remember that little nat 1.

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>>30222688

oh god why would you guys go out of the super stealthy river, that has an exit strategy in it, and is faster than the elevator anyway.

Rolled 83

>>30222688
Sure

>>30222677
you heard what sandlethong said he would do if the spell was disrupted, he will have no choice but to come join our alliance for protection, plus it gives us the perfect opportunity to introduce the Black Lady.

Shadow Master is it feasible to seal off the room from leaking and filling it with water with our magic? Our ability to move unimpeded through water combined with being Metatrons natural weakness should allow us to fuck him hardcore.

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>>30222711
Y

>>30222711
Yes.

Make it underwater and out of the way.

>>30222711
Yes.

>>30222711
y
>>30222702
there is the sage problem though.

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>>30222711
Yes

>>30222711
yea

>>30222711
Where is the original portal anchor set at the moment?
Xile?
We can still Tp back there through mana portals, right?

>>30222711
No, we can just walk down here/punch our way through.

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>>30222688
here we go

>>30222719
Because we have no idea where the river leads?

And for all we know, Donovan is already storming through the cathedral RIGHT NOW?

>>30222711
Make sure it's out of site.

Not underwater since we could end up flooding our end like that.

>>30222719
Maybe we can keep listening to the Flints, or at least keep them from getting away

>>30222755
nope its at haven, people argued to change it to there, after leaving xile.

>>30222721
>you heard what sandlethong said he would do if the spell was disrupted, he will have no choice but to come join our alliance for protection, plus it gives us the perfect opportunity to introduce the Black Lady.

Yeah, but Disrupt doesn't mean Destroy.
If we kill the shal-kath and free flint, then ther's no power going into the spell to finish it.
Then we steal the spell, and.... its no longer a threat of being finished or used.

>>30222755

It's currently set to Haven, near the shadow mana pool.

You didn't discover any mana pools while in Xile. All known mana pools are posted at the start of each thread.

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>>30222755
We can just use nyxystix

>>30222785
We're not doing shit until we get the Four Element Sage to examine the spell and see just how it works.

I don't want to accidentally fuck everything up.

>>30222724
>Shadow Master is it feasible to seal off the room from leaking and filling it with water with our magic? Our ability to move unimpeded through water combined with being Metatrons natural weakness should allow us to fuck him hardcore.

Pounce Metatron from stealth.
Throw him in Pocket - 1 mana
Remove air from pocket - 1 mana

Wait 5 minutes.
Remove Meta from pocket

>>30222785

we don't even know if it's possible to steal this spell, for all we know if it gets moved away from this spot/stops receiving magic it will fall apart.

>>30222785
>ther's no power going into the spell to finish it.
All it needs is light magic, if sandy comes he can finish the spell himself.
Also i feel like he would know instantly when the spirit is killed.
>Then we steal the spell
How exactly?
>its no longer a threat of being finished or used
Assumptions are dangerous.

>>30222561 here. Any thoughts, or am I just only throwing out bad ideas and stuff that has already been said?

>>30222771
>>30222735

You are in a cylindrical cave-like room with many stalactites; almost a half-circle. The longest flat wall is where the river runs.

Where would you like the portal anchor? Obvious choices I can think of off the top of my head are

>underwater
>on the ceiling

>>30222816

Note that an offensively-used Pocket is subject to magical resistance.

>>30222816
Somehow I doubt it'll be that simple, we haven't even tested pocket on someone who didn't want to be pocketed much less the 3rd highest angel.

>>30222854
>on the ceiling

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>>30222854
Underwater. We can always move our allies inside of ourselves.

>>30222828
>>Then we steal the spell
>How exactly?
>>its no longer a threat of being finished or used
>Assumptions are dangerous.

You need to read the last thread.
The spell's worked into spell sigils, spread across the terrain.

we.... have earth magic and pocket. There's nothing stopping us from literally Grand Thefting the entire thing out of the chamber.

Also, here's the clincher for stealing it:

I don't want to Consume or, or Destroy it, because just moving it doesn't take die rolls.
No die rolls, no chance for it to blow up in our faces.
having someone else examine it/do it for us also removes out dice from the equation.

>>30222854
If we opened a portal underwater, would all the water flow out on the other end?

This is important.

>>30222883
>I don't want to Consume or, or Destroy it, because just moving it doesn't take die rolls.
>No die rolls, no chance for it to blow up in our faces.
>having someone else examine it/do it for us also removes out dice from the equation.

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER

play around the dice! genius!

>>30222895
I was thinking this too, might end up giving us away if this happens

>>30222883
>>30222912
20:39
20:40
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>>30222854
>>on the ceiling

>>30222561
we destroy the spell.

we can not let Hyperion back into this world before we consolidate our forces.

The same with the other Elemental Lords.

>>30222895

Yes.

Unless you opened it in a space with greater environmental pressure. Then the water would be pushed back.

>>30222912
>>30222883
probably still need to roll to avoid alerting Meta or setting off some auto magical defense thing

>>30222854
>on the ceiling

>>30222941
Then the cieling.

>>30222941
Then let's try the ceiling.

>>30222937
Even Hecate? Because Adavan might disagree to that.

>>30222942

I'd take a roll to alert meta over blowing up the world ANY day.

>>30222883
>we.... have earth magic and pocket. There's nothing stopping us from literally Grand Thefting the entire thing out of the chamber.
Was this confirmed?
>having someone else examine it/do it for us also removes out dice from the equation.
This is will still require the roll of either SM or the player for the characters to analyze it.

Rolled 76

>>30222932
Cut down on the paranoia, anon.

>>30222883
>>30222912
>implying
>so much damn implying

>>30222937
To destroy the spell would be an act of war not only against the Ring City, but with Arland herself, and it would hurt everything we've been working towards with this summit. I'm not saying do nothing, but that doesn't seem like such a good idea to me.

>>30222854
>on the ceiling

>ceiling

>writing

>>30222993

This is yet another case for stealing the spell, actually.

putting Hyperion on the negotiation table is a huge gamechanger.

The prospect of the angels getting it back - even if we never let them ahve it -will make them way more inclined to listen after they get over being angry, instead of just being angry forever.

>>30222941
We could always just put it underwater, and then open the portal while we're underwater elsewhere(and have everyone in our pocket for this, of course.)

People are probably just going to go ceiling but this would be the most stealthy.

>>30222993
We're going to war with the Ring City, it's inevitable. With regards to destroying the spell, stopping the RC from summoning their God qualifies as a good idea.

It seems that we could use this to convince papa Flint that Ring City a shit and he should side with us instead of just bending over for Sandals.

>>30222963

Hecate is weak and she will be indebted to us for freeing her, she is the exception to the rule.

We do not know how the other Elemental Lords will react.

>>30222993
It was was declaration of war to release their slaves.
This is just driving the point home.

>>30223015
why do you think stealing is so safe in the first place?
It has been confirmed that they are arranged in a certain way and moving them can do anything and that is assuming they don't have magic protections on it.

>>30223015

Now that you mention it, returning an elemental lord to the lands is such a world-altering event that really all the nations should have a say with it.

The problem with the angels is they are all dicks that are stuck in the past, and cannot move on from the Elementomachy mindset - they oppress people, they keep slaves, they use this entire war as an excuse for political gain - the world is better off moving FORWARD without the angels, and without the grudge-holding lords from their time

>>30222993
>>30223015
I thought the whole point was to get Arland on our side against Ring City, not make diplomacy with Ring City. Because, you know, angels are unwavering hypocritical dickbags and any treaty we try to make with them would end in us getting shafted.

>>30223072
We are allied with several angels.

>>30223031
The important part of my statement wasn't so much the ring city art, but the Arland part. Arcturis is already wary of us and YI, to destroy the spell would mean a continued war with Arland even after the Kan'Abar situation is resolved.

>>30223094
he means the zionist angels

What if we sent Hyperion through a crucible of Order when he pops out of the portal all weak?

>>30223094
Okay, the angels who are still in Ring City and didn't defect to haven.
The angels that still follow the highests that aren't Auriel.
The angels who had no problems with mass slavery and refuse to even fathom working with a being of shadow simply because it's black and icky.

>>30223094
You really think bringing out gods of choas out is a good idea, especially when they warped the land around them?

>>30223072

Hyperion's coming to arland -in the morning- and what do you think he'll do if he finds out His 700 Year Old Masterstoke was foiled?

He'll blame arland and attack immediately.
In the middle of negotiations.
When nobody is formally on any side
Its literally the worst thing that could happen at this time.

We need something that will get him to NOT do that.

We don't want to diplomacy the angels.
But they're going to barge into the meetings anyway, and we're gonna have to anyway.

We knew this was happening.

The key is to not get them to flip the table as soon as they join the game.

>>30223141
Rapheal seems pretty cool. And it seems only the few higher ups even know what Sandals is up to.

>>30223133
He is very against and after the little stunt sandy did he would be for it, but is only backing off because half his nobles are in bed with sandy.

>>30223160

This is the other alternative i was thinking of.

Pre-empt sandy's arrival, and go hunt him right now, and make raphael be the ambassador in his stead

>>30223147
Actually, if they do try to attack and someone, say the Black Lady, sweeps in to stop him we've set things up pretty well for ourselves and shut the Ring City out entirely.

>>30223147
>He'll blame arland and attack immediately.
Then he will fight Shadow, Fang, and the Black Lady at once.

Sandals is strong, but he is not a fool.

>>30223147
I don't give a shit if sandalfag gets mad, Flint deserves his life back and he's getting it tonight

>>30223147
>Its literally the worst thing that could happen at this time.
If we time it with the Black Lady arriving to assist Arland against Ring City it might be the best thing to happen.

>>30223133
Or we could do the smart thing and get him on our side beforehand like so many have suggested, either way the spell needs to die before Sandelephon arrives for Donovan and Arlands sake.

>>30223193
He seems pretty foolish to me most of the time but your point does remain.

>>30223049
>why do you think stealing is so safe in the first place?
>magic protections on it.

Its at least as dangerous as consuming or dispelling it. That thing is such a powerful spell, a nightblaze may not even dent it, and it probably packs at least as much power as a dynamo if not more - and we know how dangerous that can be.

Anti-tamper safeties/security ..... will be triggered by other meddling besides stealing, anyway, though.

I'd ask you: why do you think any of the options are safer? Protections are in place no matter what.

>>30223147
No the key is to get everyone to look at the Ring City like the major assholes they are and get them to chose to ally themselves with the Black lady instead.

they best way to do that is to get sandlethong to throw a big hissyfit, threaten to destroy and subjugate Arland.

>>30223193
Don't forget Steward. If he's anywhere near as strong as 002, then it will be one hell of a stomping.

>>30223214
>I don't give a shit if sandalfag gets mad, Flint deserves his life back and he's getting it tonight

Yes, but we need to do it in such a way that it doesn't blow up everything we've worked for.

All this discussion.

All this actual meaningful discussion and clashing of ideas.

This is good, /tg/.
SM, you have made a good quest.

So...

What are we doing?

>>30223271
He mentioned having 003 as a backup secret weapon or something. I shudder to think of what that is.

We need to get Fang and Hemmelus down here.

Three of the most powerful mages of the world should be able to deal with Metatron, and then destroy the spell without blowng everything up.

>>30223253
I never said they are safer, but stealing it has no real gain for us in any way imaginable other than hoping it doesn't make things worse, or that what ever activates won't be as bad.
1.Exp
2.Frees Flint
3.Ruins sandies day

>>30223300
1.Destroy summoning spell free Flint from his curse
2.Tell Daddy Flint what happened
3.Offer daddy Flint a way out in the form of our Alliance and the Black Lady

So, in my humble opinion, shouldn't we find a mana pool to get some mana back or use that teleport thing to a mana pool to regen it?

Or can that not be done since we changed the anchor?

>>30223300
I honestly think we need to fuck up the spell in some way tonight.

Stealing, disrupting, destroying; it doesn't matter. That thing needs to not work by the time Sandals gets here.

Then we can take the giant hissyfit he'll throw as the perfect opportunity to intro the Black Lady like other anons were saying.

>>30223175
Which is why we talk it out with him and figure out something together without going behind his back. Regardless of what we tell Arcturis, those nobles will still be in bed with Sandalphon.

>>30223227
I agree with the idea to get him on our side, but to rush the destruction of this spell could doom this alliance before it ever got started.

Personally, I'm in favour of just stretching out as wide as possible and erasing this entire cavern, Metatron included.

But I acknowledge that this plan most certainly will not help the diplomatic situation. I just think that the risk of Hyperion returning and kicking off Elementomachy II: Electric Boogaloo is too great for this circle to exist for even one more day.

>>30223327
I feel like it's very important that Hemmelus examine the spell and find out exactly what it does.

For all we know, Metatron and Sandalphon could be lying about the goal being freeing Hyperion, and it could just be Sandalphon trying to become Hyperion 2.0, or even just blow up the planet.

We have the biggest opportunity ever.

To beat Sandalphon down, and have him watch as we grap Hyperion's hand and pull him out of the portal and say "Hello, I'm Shadow. Erebus is dead as of [whatever date we finally gathered all our shards]"

>>30223353
>>30223349
I'd love to combine these with bringing our party to face Metatron, since he'll be the obvious obstacle here... Is there anyone other than the three mages and bamby knight out there we'll want with us?

>>30223394
Better roll three 100s or that will fail.

>>30223354
>but to rush the destruction of this spell could doom this alliance before it ever got started.
>rush the destruction of this spell could doom this alliance before it ever got started.
.rush the destruction of this spell could doom this alliance before it ever got started.
>rush the destruction of this spell could doom this alliance before it ever got started.

>>30223349
>>30223329

You guys have this idea that we can just do one thing, and it will make everything go our way.

You need to step back, go over the negotiations, and realize this is a complex as shit situation - anything we do, we HAVE TO SPIN to get the result we want.

going 'blah blah blah black lady makes us autowin alliance' is a great thought and all, but you seriously need to start thinking about the dialogue, convincing, and how we play this.

We have about eight-twelve hours to:
Prepare for sandalthongs arrival
Disrupt the spell somehow

Not have the alliance fall apart in anger and blame over those two things.

>>30223353
We CAN'T be sloppy about this though.

This seems like something that could cause another core breach.

>>30223404

We can take Metatron our self thanks to based Earth tree, I believe we did kill Lucifer and he was 2nd highest so I think we can take this guy.

>>30223462
Lucifer kind of wasn't us though.

You need to be able to get back in this room, and it might have defenses you don't know about. But that won't matter if you can circumvent them.

You quickly attach your portal anchor to the ceiling of the room, nestled between a few stalactites. That should give you at least a little advantage of surprise...

You slip into the elevator with Matthel and Arcturis. They hit the switch. As the door closes, you see Metatron take up his seat in the center of the sigil, folding his legs beneath him.

The elevator grinds upward. For a moment, you're in darkness again.

"...father..." Matthel swallows. "Of course I care about Donovan. But this was bigger - it was more important than any of us. He would feel the same way."

"You know, son," Arcturis says, "I really don't think he would. And I don't think you would, either, were you him." He glances over at his son. "Why did they inform you?"

"...Sandalphon came to me, on one of my visits to the Ring City. He told me of the plan. Said he needed a man in Arland, needed me to watch over things, as Metatron would be sequestered below. I accepted the task."

"You're a damn turncoat, too?"

"It's not like he's going to die or anything," Matthel says. "Yes...it's a sacrifice. But Donovan would do it for the spell. You did."

"I didn't know it would effect him like that!" Arcturis shouts. "It's a fool's game, risky at best. And if Sandalphon has lied about this, well, what else has he lied about? I let him use Arland, because it's in our best interests. Because he promised that he would guarantee our independence and future alliance if I cooperated. And I figured that if the runt could make use of himself, then I might as well go along...but this. I can't stomach it."

"I don't like it either," Matthel says, "but Hyperion will save us, and usher in a new age of prosperity. This is bigger than any of us."

>con't

>>30223462
The problem is Metatron is physically tougher, and we're weaker to Fire than we are Lightning.

>>30223462
Lucifer got beat the shit out of by super wind constructs and SkySever fuckery, not us.

>>30223394

worst idea i have seen all thread.

that is basically giving Shadow Master that 1 to use on a silver plate.

"My family," Arcturis says, "is more important than a future licking the heals of a force of nature that proclaims itself our master."

"Father!"

"What? You have something to say about that? Shut up, you indoctrinated little twit. I thought you were smarter than this."

The elevator opens. Arcturis and Matthel step into the catacombs and being walking back toward the door leading to the cathedral. You slip into Matthel's shadow.

"It isn't wrong for men to seek their own destiny," Arcturis says. "We don't need greater beings telling us what to do. Look where that got us. Decades of all-out war so fierce that it's taken us centuries to recover. And Sandalphon wants to bring that back."

"He just wants to bring Hyperion back. The problem wasn't Hyperion - it was the lesser elementals, that - "

"If you believe all that tripe, then you really are a fool," Arcturis says.

They reach the door of the cathedral. You are towed along in Matthel's shadow as they ascend the stairwell, and in short order, they're back in the hall leading to the nave.

"Father. What are you going to do?"

"...when Sandalphon gets here tomorrow, I'm going to have a long talk with him," Arcturis says, "and hammer a few fucking things out. In the meantime, we can use our guests as leverage to - "

He stops. Matthel stops behind him. "What is it?"

You're at the door to the nave. Yi Fang, Hemmelus, Adavan, and Donovan are standing at the far end of the rows of pews, having just entered the main doors of the church.

"Father." Donovan has his sword out. It's shaking in his grip. His voice cracks. "Matthel. You knew. You both knew."

What do you do?

>intervene (write-in)
>communicate with your allies; remain in Matthel's shadow
>do nothing; remain poised in Matthel's shadow
>some other strategy

>>30223353
I agree.

Sandalphon is going to try to browbeat the Flints into agreeing with him when he comes to Arland tommorow. His entire 700 year plan goes right out the window if this spell is disrupted, and he'll be completely thrown off his game.

I suspect, from what I have seen of Arcturis, that any further bullying from Sandalphon (And Sandalphon will probably blame Arcturis for this) will cause him to turn his back on the Ring City and throw in his lot with Archon. Right then, we bring in the Black Lady. Suddenly, Sandalphon has absolutely nothing going for him.

>>30223349
>1.Destroy summoning spell free Flint from his curse
>2.Tell Daddy Flint what happened

Should be 2 then 1.

Arcturius is just LOOKING for a way to get out from sandy's thumb
We tell him the truth - that yi fang's presence here is entirely because he's dealt with this stuff before, and he owes us a massive favor - abigail is perfectly able to make archon's decisions.
And then the stinger - that the other cases fang's been involved in have always ended in the death of the host.

This will 100% guarantee he blames sandy for killing - or trying to kill - his son, gets us on his side, AND gives us permission/authority to go fix it when we offer to do so.

Then?

We rush in, beat the spell up, bring the black lady in during the morning before sandy gets here, and boom, gamechanger.

Arcturius on our side, all our nobles we persuaded on our side, sandy checked by all the players on the board, and unable to vent his rage at masterstroke being derailed.

>>30223527
>communicate with your allies; remain in Matthel's shadow

>>30223527
Arcturis is actually that much of a fucking bro?!

>>30223496
But we did max out our water tree.

>>30223527
TELL FLINT MENTALLY WHAT WE HEARD FAST. And then the others.

A misunderstanding here will fuck over everything.

>>30223527
>>communicate with your allies; remain in Matthel's shadow

Impression to Flint

"< Easy flint. I'm here, in matthel's shadow. I just saw the other end of the parasite, and what it's fueling.>"

<Remember the olden days? Pretend to summon me again. I need an excuse to be here.>

>>30223527
>communicate with your allies; remain in Matthel's shadow
THE POWER IS BEING USE TO SUMMON HYPERION

HYPERION IS THE OTHER END OF THE PARASITE.

>>30223527
>>communicate with your allies; remain in Matthel's shadow

>>30223527
>Intervene
"More than you know, but less than you think."

Rolled 71 + 22

>>30223527
>communicate with your allies; remain in Matthel's shadow

>>30223527
Alright, not right now, but soon is the best time to tell Arcturus about the soul-slaves and why we attacked Ring City.

>>30223527
This proves it.
We can get Arcturis against the angels, and easily at that.
We can work with this.
>intervene
Mindspeak the group, tell them what you saw.
Use Flint as proxy to explain:
Tell them EXACTLY what the return of Hyperion means to us, what the angels have done and why they're bad news.
Don't leave the shadows, don't want them to know we tailed them, at least not yet.

>>30223527
Blink over there and pretend we arrived with them.

>>30223527
>communicate with your allies; remain in Matthel's shadow
"Your father is more or less innocent. He thought it would only drain your magical potential, and now that he knows the truth, he is willing to browbeat Sandalphon himself to remove it."

>>30223527
>communicate with your allies; remain in Matthel's shadow

>>30222221
>>30223527


Fuck it, its time for this.

Rolled 21

>>30223527
>>communicate with your allies; remain in Matthel's shadow

>>30223527
>Intervene (Write in)
"More accurately, you're father was misinformed, but still agreed to cripple you magically. , on the other hand, is a fully informed tool of Sandalphon. Who will be here tomorrow by the way."

>>30223527
>communicate with your allies; remain in Matthel's shadow
Mention that Hyperion is being summoned with Flint's energy, we have a portal in the room, Meta's in there, Sandal's comin to town, and that Matthel's the bigger dick.

Also if things get too heated we should pop out from behind the Flints and jump scare the fuck out of them

>>30223628

Start with that
and
>>30223577

lead into>>30223621

>>30223527
BE READY TO JUMP TO ARCTURIUS' DEFENSE.

MATTHEL IS GOING TO KILL HIM TO PREVENT HIM FROM FUCKING UP HYPERION'S GLORIOUS RETURN.

I CAN FEEL IT.

>>30223595
>>30223621
>>30223622
>>30223637
This. Lay out all the cards.

>>30223654
Right, forgot to write "Step out of Matty-boy's shadow and say" before the dialogue,

>>30223575
>>30223575
>>30223575
>>30223575
>>30223575

This is the correct course of action.

<Arcturis is innocent, Matthel is the traitor, and Flint is fueling Hyperion's return.>

>>30223675
If we stay in his shadow we can Shadow Puppet him.

>>30223676
Seconding Lay out the Cards

Oh god I get it now. That explains Yi Fang's overwillingness to help Flint with the parasite.
It strikes at the first group which he may have figured was the Ring City, and it upsets the descendents of his rival.

>>30223675
I told you bro, I told you about being Arcturis' 1d20 save. Get rdy for it.

>>30223710
Shadow puppet is horribly unreliable compared to bodily blocking the blade / spell.

>>30223527
>intervene (write-in)

Step out of the shadows to the side of the church. We need to draw attention to ourselves before anybody does anything rash.

"Donovan, your father has been deceived as well. Lord Arcturis Flint had no idea the effect the Shel'kath was having on you.

I must admit, Lord Flint, I have misjudged you. Your words resonate with me more than you could know."

>>30223724
Yes, but using shadow puppet alongside physically restraining him is better than just physically restraining.

You have to cut off this misunderstanding before it can get worse. But do you:

Vote 1:
>explain things to Donovan from Matthel's shadow

Vote 2:
>blink to the far corner of the church and emerge from the shadows as John. Give an explanation.

I can't deal with all this happening

>>30223762
1

>>30223762
2

Rolled 6 + 22

>>30223762
>blink to the far corner of the church and emerge from the shadows as John. Give an explanation.

>>30223676
>>30223732
>"Donovan, your father has been deceived as well. Lord Arcturis Flint had no idea the effect the Shel'kath was having on you.
>I must admit, Lord Flint, I have misjudged you. Your words resonate with me more than you could know."

"Additionally, this entire meeting of alliance is.... half a pretense, an excuse to cure flint. The entire reason yi fang is here is because he has experience removing the curse-parasites without the death of the host, and we needed a reason for him to be here you would accept."
"I"m sorry, but sandalphon planned the death of your son from the very beginning"

>>30223762
1

>>30223762
1

>>30223762
1

>>30223762
>explain things to Donovan from Matthel's shadow

>>30223762
2

>>30223762

1 then 2

>>30223762
1

>>30223762
1

>>30223762
1

>>30223762
1

Rolled 21

>>30223762
1

>>30223820
>>30223806

I hear ya

>>30223820
Reply and number only. Otherwise your vote isn't counted.

>>30223820

Seconding! Option 3

Do 1 to defuse the situation, THEN immediately sucker-punch with #2

Back me up people! Take the third path!

>>30223841

I don't care about making my vote count, i care about swinging opinon - SM is open to superior plans emerging mid-vote, and has given some leniency in the past.

>>30223762
1

Alrighty, I'm writing.

>>30223762
>2

We are just a mage. A powerful, scary Mage, but definitely human.

>>30223840

Udaman!
Da shadowman!

>>30223762
2

If you're also so paranoid that Matthel is stupid enough to pull something with this many witnesses and powerful mages around you could just pocket him.

>>30223883
Well, our cover story is that we're basically the greatest shadow mage outside Vampiria, so even if we go full blob mode I doubt anybody would question it.

More importantly, we need to tell Yi Fang that there's a ritual going on below that will bring back Hyperion. He's going to want to stop that, and he's probably got the firepower to do it.

>>30223965

This is probably the biggest consideration.

Yes, Flint's parasite needs to be removed tonight.

More importantly, Hyperion cannot return. Ever. At all.

>>30223949
I think that they would, actually.

>>30223994
>Ever. At all.
I agree that him returning now is like the worst thing at all but never ever I disagree with.

>>30223945
You never know what a man with his pants pulled down will resort to. Though I earnestly think he isn't the patricidal type.

>>30223994
Again, Sandalphon is a lying liar who lies all the time.

We only have his word that that's what the ritual would do.

>>30224027

The only way I'd consider it is if we had a way to talk to him before returning him.
maybe the same way we encounter Legion?

>>30223994
Agreed.
>>30223965
Have the sage join him

>>30224027
I agree with it.

The world does not need elemental lords wandering around because they are invariably dicks who have Elementomachy PTSD.

Shadow gets a pass because he had amnesia.

>>30223949
Maybe not full on "blob" mode but i'm sure we could get away with good old "Oh look a thousand tentacles/eyes/teeth of darkness are attacking you"

>>30223965
Metatron is down there. We can go to deal with it together, when we're done with this rather terrible family reunion.

>>30224065
And I disagree with you because our plans to free Hecate and Geb are hypocritical to that statement.

>>30224097
Hecate tried to stop the Elementomachy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DudDYrL02hc

"Donovan," Matthel says. The single name tumbles from his mouth. His eyes are wide.

"...what are you talking about?" Arcturis says. He does a better job of covering. "What is this? Hemmelus, explain!"

<Donovan, I'm in Matthel's shadow,> you say. You thoughts are projected to all four of your allies. <Matthel knew that the shel'kath would effect your life, but Arcturis didn't. He only knew it would drain your magical powers, not...hurt you. Your power is being channeled to a powerful spell under Arland maintained by Metatron on behalf of the Ring City. They're trying to summon Hyperion from the Nether.>

Everyone's heads move from Arcturis, then to Matthel. You watch their eyes search as they try to pinpoint you in his shadow.

And then you Blink to the far corner of the church, and emerge from behind a tapestry. The ruffling cloth draws everyone's gaze. "Donovan. I saw everything." You repeat more or less what you just said, aloud, so that Matthel and Arcturis are part of the reveal.

Donovan takes a step forward. He stares at Matthel. "...why?"

"Donovan, take it easy," Matthel says. "Remember who I am for a second. John is misrepresenting the truth."

"YOU SENT ME TO HELL!" Donovan screams. His voice echoes through the church. "WHY?!"

Matthel draws back, stung by the sound of his brother's voice. Hemmelus strides forward and clasps Donovan's shoulder with a firm hand. "Arcturis, it is -you- that must provide -us- with an explanation! And I will have one!"

What do you do?

>let Arcturis say what he has to say, then reveal the true reason you're here with Donovan and Fang
>some others strategy

>>30224097
I'd be against those as well, but I do believe I'm outvoted, so there's not much I can do about it.

They're *slightly* more acceptable than Hyperion, because from what we have heard Geb was actually a pretty swell guy.

>>30224065
Our plan is to bring back the elemental lords in a way that we can make them see balance. Whether that means tempering them with Order or something else entirely remains to be seen.

>>30224065
>The world does not need elemental lords wandering around because they are invariably dicks who have Elementomachy PTSD.

This is the entire reason the angels are such dicks today, and a point we need to make

>>30224095
>Metatron is down there. We can go to deal with it together, when we're done with this rather terrible family reunion.

We're going to need to go in first, and steal the mirror to prevent him calling for help.

>>30224097
>And I disagree with you because our plans to free Hecate and Geb are hypocritical to that statement.
>>30224048
>The only way I'd consider it is if we had a way to talk to him before returning him.
>maybe the same way we encounter Legion?

ANY RETURN of the elemental lords pretty much depends entirely on their disposition and willingness to let bygones be bygones.

>>30223994
We do not exactly know what this ritual does, only that it summons something and what Sandalphon said, which we shouldn't trust. If it does bring back Hyperion then now might not be the time for it, but to rule it out entirely when we are trying to bring balance and freedom to all the elements is hypocrisy. This is not our decision alone to make.

>>30224097
I agree that we need to release some of them, probably starting with Hecate first, but Hyperion is a cockbag and we're leaving him for last, if we even decide to let him out at all.

>>30224118

>let Arcturis say what he has to say, then reveal the true reason you're here with Donovan and Fang

I mean, let's hear it out. No better time, honestly.

>>30224027
He's the same old Hyperion from the Elementomachy. The only reason we're not as bloodthirsty as the old Erebus is because we got a memory wipe and met some nice people starting out. Hyperion, however, i going to be just as keen on fighting as he was 700 years ago, if not more so. If he comes back, it'll be Elementomachy 2: Electric Boogaloo.

>>30224145
Aeolus and Raijin are even bigger dicks.

>>30224118
>let Arcturis say what he has to say, then reveal the true reason you're here with Donovan and Fang

If Arcturis lies, or Matthel, then we need to reveal to everyone else that they are trying ti bring back Hyperion as well. I am fairly certain that Arcturis will try to stop it if we can just not bullshit him.

>>30224145
>>30224151

Guys, let's not forget that Erebus started the Elementomachy himself. Hyperion, while a total dickbag, was acting in self-defense initially.

>>30224118
>>let Arcturis say what he has to say, then reveal the true reason you're here with Donovan and Fang

>>30224118
"He seems to wanted to do what was best by his country.

Though it would appear he's valuing family more."

>>30224128
>ANY RETURN of the elemental lords pretty much depends entirely on their disposition and willingness to let bygones be bygones.

Which we can't possibly know until we contact them somehow. Not their followers or anything, but the elemental lords themselves. In most cases this seems to mean resurrecting them in some sense, and Shadow has been all about giving people/things a chance

>>30224118
Whatever we do we also should mention the soul-slaves and Ring City. Either after Arcturus's explanation or to get him to talk about it.

Also mention about Ila and Auriel following up on Waterford.

>>30224188
It's entirely possible that Hyperion himself was also a massive cunt of a person. Basically, imagine both Hyperion and Erebus both being colossal, metaphysical douchebags, attempting to outdouche one another.

>>30224118
>>let Arcturis say what he has to say, then reveal the true reason you're here with Donovan and Fang
>some others strategy

Work in bits of >>30223792
""Additionally, this entire meeting of alliance is.... half a pretense, an excuse to cure flint. The entire reason yi fang is here is because he has experience removing the curse-parasites without the death of the host, and we needed a reason for him to be here you would accept."
"I"m sorry, but sandalphon planned the death of your son from the very beginning""

>>30223732
>I must admit, Lord Flint, I have misjudged you. Your words resonate with me more than you could know."

Those are good lines to work in there.

>>30224048
>maybe the same way we encounter Legion?
Friendly reminder that if years upon years of time spent in the unfiltered Chaos of the Nether did that to David, it'd be reasonable to assume it has effected Hyperion as well.

>>30224118
>let Arcturis say what he has to say, then reveal the true reason you're here with Donovan and Fang
Time to see if he can bring it upon himself to do the right thing without any further prompting.

>>30224188
Actually, Aeolus started the whole thing off by getting pissed at airships. Erebus just secretly fanned the flames. Hyperion also attacked Erebus out of paranoia rather than actual defense.

The Greater Elements were the aggressors.

>>30224118
>let Arcturis say what he has to say, then reveal the true reason you're here with Donovan and Fang

>>30224222
I like to think of them as opposites.
While erebus tried to stop the spread of chaos, Hyperion tried his best to spread it.

>>30224188
The elementomachy was Erebus' plan, but it only worked because Hyperion was itching for a fight already.

>>30224188
Hyperion shot first.

>>30224188
Don't forget that Hyperion has been stuck in the Nether for centuries, and will probably have turned out just like David, a babbling psychotic mass of shit and festering hate, piss and vinegar.

>>30224250
Eregreedo pls.

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>>30224198
>Which we can't possibly know until we contact them somehow. Not their followers or anything, but the elemental lords themselves. In most cases this seems to mean resurrecting them in some sense, and Shadow has been all about giving people/things a chance

DREAM WALK
DREAM WALK
DREAM WALKEN

THIS IS MY COMMUNICATION METHOD
MY METHOD OF CHOICE

>inb4, "It's guarded by an angel! What can you do against such power?!"
>inb4 we get to deliver a badass line about killing two other angels already.

>>30224260
He did, motherfucker. Justified paranoia or not.
Hyperion shot first. And then made a home over ours.

>>30224248
>>30224250
>>30224253
>>30224237

All fair points, but Erebus wasn't innocent either - just my two cents.

Anyways, get your popcorn ready because the Flint family is getting READY TO RUUUUUMMMMMMMBLEEEEEE

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>>30224253
>That moment when you realize that the demons are working for Hyperion as well, who is playing both angels and demons to his advantage to double up his chances of being summoned by either side.

>That moment where even when we sort out the Shel'Kath mess, we still have to fucking deal with a Demonic Hyperion manifesting during the war.

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>>30224266

DreamWalk without rhythm
it won't attrack the legion

>>30224118
> some other strategy
Yi Fang is there.
Communicate with him. Tell him the ritual to bring back Hyperion is nearly done, Sandalphon is coming tomorrow to oversee it, and we need to nuke it NOW.

>>30224294
I always wondered if you can fuck those.

>>30224304
I didn't even realize that was a DUNE reference until years after I heard the song.

>>30224282
If it was Erebus being summoned I would be just as against it.

Good thing we're not Erebus and thus have no Elementomachy bullshit to be guilty about.

>>30224118
Cure now talk later

>>30224282

Good thing Erebus is dead and we don't plan to try and summon him from the nether

>>30224329

>DUNE in all caps

I consider you my brother, random anonymous poster.

>>30224266
You know what...?! I really didn't think of that. That is a good soundin' plan to me. Team Dreamwalk on all them Elemental Lords a go?

>>30224294
>>That moment when you realize that the demons are working for Hyperion as well, who is playing both angels and demons to his advantage to double up his chances of being summoned by either side.

Actually, I was thinking about this earlier today, and trying to decide how to bring it up.

Okay, so summoning is a wierd art because anyone can do it. It doesn't take any particular elemental soul, because you're using what's already there - the nether - and the skill comes from shaping/manipulating it.

But there's still skill involved.
Summoning an elemental lord is the pinnacle of summoning. Its brutally hard, difficult and takes lots of power.

Just think about the effort that went into LEARNING the path to even get there!

Like, that's 'summoning demon lords for practice' territory as a stepping stone to get to lords.

Only the most ridiculously skilled summoners could do such a thing.

Of course..... it helps if you're immortal, and used summons during the war so you're already damn good at it.

I don't think Sandalphon was doing.
>to double up his chances of being summoned by either side.

But I do think he summoned the demon lords, or at LEAST taught nulis how to do it, and is workign with them and using them as an excuse to launch his crusade-of-salvation and take the world in under his wing.

The hall is quiet.

"...Sandalphon..." Arcturis rubs a hand down his mouth. "What John says is true."

"Father, we cannot - "

"Shut UP, Matthel," Arcturis says. He looks up again. "The angels have a plan to return the Lord of Light to the world. Resummon him from the Nether, from where Erebus banished him."

"And I presume," Hemmelus says, "that the soul-sucking leech latched onto Donovan is part of this master plan?"

"It is," Arcturis says. "Sandalphon needed a powerful light mage of good pedigree. None of the angels were compatible, or he simply would have used himself. Something about their blessing disrupted the power transfer by the demon. The demon itself is merely a tool to deposit power from a mage over a long period of time in the spell. Donovan was...lightborn. He was an acceptable candidate." Arcturis looks at his youngest son. "It was for the good of Arland, Donovan. I didn't know it would hurt you like it did. I kept it a secret because something that sensitive had to be kept secret. From those who would disturb it."

"But Matthel," Donovan says. "You knew. You knew it would hurt me!"

"Donovan, think for a second!" Matthel shouts. "This is Hyperion we're talking about! And wasn't I always there for you? Didn't I always stick by you! I took care of you! I made sure you stayed safe!"

"YOU HYPOCRITICAL FUCK!" Donovan shouts. He launches himself forward, wresting free of Hemmelus's grasp. Matthel's hand flies to his sword hilt.

>stop Donovan
>some other strategy

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>>30224380
>>30224370

DO OR DUNE NOT, THERE IS NO TRY