You are Reinhold, master swordsman and victor of the Royal Swordsmanship Tournament. The King was so impressed with your skill, he personally requested that you be transferred out of the army and into the Royal Guard! Not bad for an orphan who was raised in a brothel in a poor fishing village.The only issue at this point is your assignment... you've been charged to be the personal guard of the King's only daughter Marianne. While she is the vision of loveliness that you'd expect from a Princess, her personality is... well... she seems to have some issues.You're finally awake... though everything still kind of hurts, you're back in one piece at the very least.>Sorry, but you've been stripped down to the rank of DOG!>Though dogs are loyal, they're not all that smart...>Though she still considers you her friend, she thinks a little less of you... and also herself.>And while dogs are man's best friend, they still don't count as people.Thread archive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Princess+Guard+QuestCharacter list + descriptions (in progress):http://pastebin.com/1Vhj4DJvList and descriptions of the spells shown thus far:http://pastebin.com/2c9y2sDMTwitter:https://twitter.com/QM_ArchelonQuest compilation that's kindly maintained by a person who isn't me:https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n4nhs9gd0kmnnni/04tpEy5_pe>>>>>>>>
"So, uh... you're sure that King Celestino isn't still suspicious of me for whatever?" you ask, still more than a bit concerned about that little revelation."Oh no, that's all cleared up," Agnes says as she shakes her head. "Thierri pretty much forced him to apologize to Gregory for doubting you like that, too!" she laughs.Well, that's nice to hear."I take it that the two of you go way back?" you ask."Yes... back when I was but a girl and Celestino's hair still had some color to it, I was lauded as a national treasure of sorts," Agnes replies with an embarrassed smile. "My time in the sun eventually came to an end, but I suppose you can still consider us to be friends. At the very least, he gives me a lot more leeway than he does most of the other nobles."Like in letting her discipline his children?"I guess that's yet another reason to stay on my best behavior," Marius says, laughing. "If I make Citrine mad then she can tell on me to you now, and then you'll sic King Celestino on me!""As if you'd ever do anything to make me mad," Citrine says, shaking her head as if her husband said the most ridiculous thing ever.>[1/2]
Oh boy
Rolled 6We're never gonna get that child's drawing, are we?
So will Reinhold freak out about losing his sword or still be a chill guy?LETS FIND OUT!
BUTTER UP BOYS, IT'S THE BEST FREAKING QUEST ON /TG/
REINHOLD A SHIT
Hi arch
>>29716766>[2/2]As the others laugh, you start wondering about Celestino... and Monique."So, about Monique's sword being a Sealed King," you begin, "how would he even come across one in the first place?" you ask. And it seems dangerous for him to publicly reveal that he has one like he did...""Hm?" Agnes turns to you. "How so?""Well, what if the King decides to confiscate it from him or something? Or the loads of people who'd be dying to get their hands on one?""Ah, I see," Agnes says, snapping her fingers. "While there's definitely a danger in someone jealous that they couldn't get their hands on Setsuranka before that fool did sending assassins after him, a Sealed King isn't exactly the kind of thing that you can simply take from someone else.""But if he's knocked out, there's nothing keeping someone from just taking it from him," Citrine says."The man who engineered the curse that transformed them into swords placed quite a few rules concerning their limits and usage," Agnes says, shrugging.>ask about da rules>nah, not interested>[OTHER]
>>29716780>BUTTER UP BOYS, IT'S THE BEST FREAKING QUEST ON /TG/Not even slightly
sup archhope you're feeling better about whatever was bothering you last thread
>>29716795>>ask about da rules
Christ, where is that reminder anon.
>>29716784YOUR SHIT A HAND
>>29716795ask about the rules
>ask about the rules.Youve put enough worldbuilding into this universe arch, you HAVE to tell us about this!
>>29716795>ask about da ruleswhy would we not want to know this
>>29716795>ask about da rulesAsk about origin of the swords too.
>>29716795>ask about the rules, legit curiosity.>all this talk of swords...time to get a new one unless our's is repairable.
>>29716795>ask about da rulesare they written in a big magical tome?
>>29716795>Ask about those delicious rules
>>29716795>ask about da rulesThis I gotta hear
>>29716750> and also herself.Can't have that. Maybe some more ice puns will help convince her that she's not at all to blame, it's just Reinhold being Reinhold.
>>29716795>>ask about da rulesWasn't the guy who did all of this in the first place kind of a nutjob?I mean, I guess he might have been on the Niklaus end of the nutjob spectrum, but making sure the resulting blades were being used responsibly doesn't really strike me as the kind of thing he would've put the highest priority on.
>>29716800judging by the thread size and lack of mass downvotes on suptg, I would be inclined to disagree
Alright, so over the course of the last couple of threads I've been formulating a theory about a possible sealed king Reinhold is a shoe in to getting his hands on.There are 26 sealed kings, and if what Monique says is true, one of them was broken at some point in time.What if we're wearing a shard of the damn thing on our wrist?!
>>29716889Archelon has made it very clear in the past that under no circumstances will he ever allow us to get a Sealed king.
>>29716876Probably because everyone else with a brain ignores this quest. And everyone knows votes on sup/tg/ mean nothing because you can proxy spam.
>>29716795>ask about da rules>"Still, that's pretty impressive, I have to congratulate him when I see him next"Time to be chill about the whole thing
>>29716889Allow me to answer that speculation with a resounding>NO!
>>29716795Da rules.
>>29716795>ask about da rulesWe may as well ask. Though I'd also like to ask about Volker, Volker's sword, reforging it, and her opinion on us trying out using two swords.
>>29716889Nah. If Niklaus had a sealed king fragment he wouldnt give it to us, he would examine it to figure out how it was made.And then go around turning all the nobles into swords. All of them. Everyone gets a sword waifu.
>>29716795>ask about da rulesDA RULZ BOIS, LETZ EAR EM
>>29716889This will never happen because the QM will cry powergaming.
>>29716911Oh that's right. I forgot that archelon hates fun.
>>29716889But we know exactly where Tina came from, she's a mad science experiment courtesy of Niklaus derived from the angry parasitic crystals that turn bears into megabears. That theory doesn't track in the slightest.
>>29716889NoJust no
>>29716795>ask about da rulesand ask about Rein's sword too. we need to reforge that too.
>>29716938>cry powergaming>wave powerful mystic artifacts in our faceI think he's just tsundere to our powergaming ways.
>>29716868>making sure the resulting blades were being used responsibly doesn't really strike me as the kind of thing he would've put the highest priority on.remember that even before all the other sealed kings he first used it on the elemental he fell in love with>>29716889one that was destroyed was water iirc, and all we have is normal metal with some crystal lice on italso, at first chance, can we ask about mari, she hasn't even been mentioned since we woke up
>>29716889Nope. Because that would be clever and interesting writing. And we can't have that.
>>29716908I want to believeWe will forge our own out of princess love
>>29716908Then why are we even playing?
>>29716989I think he's a faggot but w/eI'm just here to samefag controversial votes.
>>29716923why do people want to use two swords? if rein has been using one all his life, it'll be nearly like starting from scratch. isn't most of his style reliant on hitting/blocking hard? that needs a stable grip on the sword and a lot of strength, not one in each hand.
>>29716997That's incredibly cliche and predictable.It's also doesn't make sense considering it's a crystal.But you're just here to start shit, so i'm done.
>>29716889its a parasite Ol' Niklaus made for us, Tina is more special then any old sword.
>>29716990>also, at first chance, can we ask about mari, she hasn't even been mentioned since we woke upYeah, agreed. Reinhold is her bodyguard.
>>29717043>That's incredibly cliche and predictable.Everything in this thread is cliche and predictable so it would fit perfectly.
>>29717040Because powergaminghonestly I'm ready to let the powergamers eat the thread alive if that's what it takes to move up in this world. There was a time when I would yell at them for sabotaging our SoL quest, now I see the error of my ways
>>29717030We don't need a sword waifu, we will be the the one to Free the Sealed Kings. If doing so, would protect our nation and princess of course.
>>29717040>hard hits and blocksFuck guys, just wear gauntlets
>>29717040iirc correctly volker often used two swords. and as for starting from scratch we need to do that anyway since granny says that volker didn't do the family style right and now we need to get here out of the shithole that is marconetti and come live with us, train us, and ship her with arnaud
>>29717040I could see Reinhold experimenting with it. His mentor did it and managed just fine. I'm not saying we instantly switch over, more that we find Nico on a slow day and try using two swords in a friendly sparring match because it'll be fun and who knows, maybe at some point Nico will have to fight a guy with two swords and the practice will be good for her.
>>29716908>>29716913I'm just saying, it's pretty convenient Monique ended up with an Ice type sealed king to match his affinity.It would be equally convenient for us to end up with a metal type sealed king to match our affinity.It's still a shot in the dark, but even if Archelon won't let us wield the full blade, I'm still nealy 100% positive the "crystals" Niklaus was experimenting on are shards of said blade.>>29716953The Crystals are more like a fluid metal from what I've seen, and the super-bear thing can be explained as a sort of pseudo possession state, like what Monique's blade did for him.>>29716925>>29717048I don't think Nicklaus knows exactly what the shards are, that's why he's experimenting on them.He didn't make the parasites himself, he probably scraped them off of some wildlife.
>>29717074It's in character to want to get stronger and better at our job, so it's not a big dealAs long as we aren't acting like complete retards so we can accumulate MO POWA than it's fine
>>29716804Not really, but I appreciate the sentiment.>>29716780Peter Parker Quest is a better Parker story than Marvel's had since killing off Ultimate Pete, and a better quest than this.>>29716939Yup. I hate fun even more than I hate dandelions.And I HATE dandelions.>writing
>>29717143I don't care what shitposters say, you're a pretty cool guy archBut fuck you for not making giant bears canon
>>29717030for moniquewe are playing for monique POV.
as for us getting a sealed king, the only way i see that happening would be to get the one volker died trying to get, so that we could honor his memory/avenge his death, regardless of how strong it is, and even then only after serious adventuring
Why does anybody like Monique? He's such a gigantic douchebag.
>>29717164I will accept this.
>>29717166no
>>29717143to be fair, dandelions are annoying as fuck to get out of a yard once they start setting in>>29717161i thought he did make giant bears canon when sylvie punched one to death
>>29716889Considering that Niklaus made this in an experiment, this seems incredibly unlikely.That said, looking back at the thread where he told us about it...>"Meh," Niklaus shrugs. "It flat-out doesn't work anyways, and even if it did, I can always cut off the arm that gets infested and grow a new one.">"G- grow a... what?">"Regeneration's a simple matter... anyways, I'm not able to figure out just how to recreate 'Gran'... so I've turned my sights to the independent type."This is literally the only time 'Gran' has been mentioned in the entire quest—mentioned as an unfeasible goal under a line of questioning about why he gave up on researching crystalline parasite-human bonding.Maybe a thing worth asking for clarification on next time we see Niklaus, hm?>>29716990I feel like if you had an elemental waifu, you wouldn't want to put a provision into the spell binding her to a physical object that would allow people to take her from you provided that you weren't conscious.
>>29717184Why does anybody like Reinhold? He's a typical beta maximus retard.
>>29717193yep
>>29717184you answered your own question.
>>29717202I thought it was just a normal bear but crystal shit infesting it.
>>29717202No, that was a super crystal bear. It was regular bear size, just extra stronk.
If we get a Sealed King it better be Metal type and it better be Tsundere
>>29717184only in regards to rein, otherwise he's decent, if a bit pompous
>>29717228Sealed Queen
>>29717161Every day until we get out burr waifu
>>29717184>>29717213I've realised I despise every character in this.Join me. It is easier.
>>29717228Marianne is a Sealed King
>>29717216nop
>>29717166I'm down for some serious adventuring.I don't like the idea of leaving our post, (rendering the "princess guard" part of the quest obsolete) but I want to actually get out there and do some first hand exploration of the world Archelons crafted here. We can really only get hearsay while attached to the princess all day.If we do go on an adventure, I would vote we do so alone. It would be nice to take a vacation from the waifuing,
>>29717239can we have one of both?
>>29717184He's a misguided fool that puts on a facetious facade in order to win friends and attention
>>29717228I-its not like i save you from that wound, it just got in my way from fighting.
>>29717213Archelon portrayed him as one initially and it just spiraled from there. I would have made him that nice.
>>29717248No no, not yetI still like Nicolette
>>29717228>this will never happen
>>29717184They like him because he's almost as egotistical as the average fa/tg/uy.
>>29717264I know how you feel.I didn't care much at first, but I really want to delve into the lore and areas of this universe instead of sitting in castle home.Wanderlust I guess.
>>29717287I can't comprehend Morgan Freeman voicing a tsundere.
>Reinhold's new themewww.youtube.com/watch?v=n2I_pIJaXVs
>>29717248then why are you here?
>>29717318I can.I'd wield tsundere Morgan Freeman magic talking sword in a heartbeat. It would be the best thing ever.
>>2971728710/10 would talk to every minute everyday.
for all you wiafu guys.
>>29717352>>29717318Fuck you any disembodied voice is automatically James Earl Jones
>>29717343>Reinhold's theme>Not Broke, beaten, and scarred
>>29717264>>29717314>Celestino tries to marry Monique to Luciana>Luciana flees the country>Drags Marianne and Co. along with herThis is the only possible path I can see which leads to adventure.
>>29717344Because when there is an important vote I like to samefag it and view the anguish.
>>29717438lol what a waste of a life.
>>29717456>Says someone who browses 4chan regularly
>>29717264if the only way the quest continues is to guard the princess than the key is celestino. if he okays luci going out on an adventure, luci will ask mari, who has said she'd go if she could go with luci, we'd go with mari, nico could come to earn her knight title doing something impressive, sylvie could come as backup/making sure luci doesn't try anything, rana and reya could come as hired help, emelio could come to man him up through ADVENTURE, melon could come to make sure everyone ate more than roots and wild berries, taka and carol could come as more guardsam i forgetting anyone? honestly i want more time with taka, emelio, karel, and starry sky. we need more guy friends
>>29717343I've got Matthias's right here.www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nyHPIcbn88
>>29717431Speaking of such, am I the only one who got REALLY nervous after Luci said her father "wanted to talk to her about something" like immediately after someone brought up that theory?
>>29717228We will never have a sword waifu except during Monique PoV.And then the sword waifu will be us.
Hey Arch, wrote a fanmail letter for you.
>>29717431>Monique won against Reinhold in duel>Since Monique won this time, it retroactively makes Monique the true bodyguard of the princess>Thierri fires us and hires Monique>We go on quest to get a sealed king so we could be powerful enough to defeat Monique and reclaim our rightful position as guardian of the princessThat sounds like such a great adventure.
I have a problem with the cursing in the quest. I'm not against cursing in general, it's that it happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Keep questionable words in reserve so that when you deploy them they have more oomph. A character that swears often, like Nico or Gregory, seems so out of place.
>>29717475Implying I browse regularly.I don't even know how to spoiler.
>>29717476Honestly that's just asking for somebody to sweep by and clear up an entire roost of royalty
>>29717486You really like to post this shitty video every chance you get.
>>29717494>F5
>>29717487celestino respects luci enough to let her turn someone down, but whoever she winds up with has to benefit the country in some way
>>29717508Select the text then Ctrl+S.You could also try reading the FAQ.
>>29717497Then, 20 years later, we show up, walk right up to him, and kick him in the balls before he can react.
>>29717509Yeah, Monique when the sword corrupts him
>>29717438So you spend hours a night reading a thread you dont like just to make other peoples lives miserable?
>>29717497There's no way in hell Thierri is going to fire us or hire Monique, you seem to forget how much Marianne hates Monique and how much Thierri loves his daughter.
>>29717497I don't know how to feel about this.I'm rolling with whatever happens I guess
So is monique paralyzed or in a coma?
>>29717494d'awwww that's really cute.really love to burn it.
>>29717497I doubt Thierri is very fond of Monique.
>>29717546That's another thing, I'm really suspicious of that sword.It seemed cool in the duel, but why the fuck should we believe it? Brainwashing 101 is making someone think you are their friend, and then make them think that you are their only friend.
>>29717497>>Thierri fires us and hires Monique>mari proceeds to smother him in his sleepshe hates the idea of being with him and thierri has us on to be her friend more than anything else>>29717509hence the hired dragons
>>29717476At that point it stops being an adventuring party and becomes a small army.
>>29717572>>29717550>>29717582>Not understanding the joking nature of the post
>>29717554he just had a long night of hate sex between karel and her mom, probably still asleep.
>>29717582They're still teenagers.And i'm pretty sure Marianne is the sole heir too.
>>29717494>implying there's no piss forest in archelon's magical realmWe've only seen a small fraction of the setting, remember>
>>29717576honestly i grew suspicious when it called him master. i can get putting up with we lowly mortals due to being sealed and all, but it's still a fucking demi god
>>29717601was he still awake during said hate sex?
>>29717549Yes.I have three screens though, so I can just occasionally peak at the thread at critical moments.One screen dedicated to this and monitoring.One for gaming.and the last one for irc/music.
Guys, we never going to get a sealed king. It a magical nuke sword that GM archelon said we NEVER EVER GOING TO GET. EVER. So no Metal Sealed sword.But Monique some how for some reason gotten one of the 26 sealed swords and archelon thought it was some how possible to beat him?No. Not with the sword keeping him together. it was impossible from the start.Honestly the GM could have done this better, by making Monique train or shit and get better or use a magical sword but no sealed king.That plus the fact we never going to get a sealed king kinda fucked things up even further when our "rival" gotten his hands on one. There also the fact that even with the rules he bend to use the magical sword, he still won despise the fact that he broken the damn rules he fucking bend due to the sword keeping him going. Heck, the whole thing about the great grandfather was the one who made the rules made thing even more bullshit than before.All the "hype" for the damn duel and it was all for nothing.It was a fucking disaster.
Imagine if rein's gains a sealed king whose whole gimmick is to absorb blows and break upon impact to send shards of metal raining down on targets only to be reformed and fixed in seconds.[Spoiler] The sword will be extreamly sadomasochistic, taking great pleasure in being used for combat and being broken apart
>>29717615Piss is a sub-element of water. Eventually we'll fight a piss Devil Child.
>>29717611Thierri has a brother somewhere but he's basically abdicated. Plus Marrianne might be first in line anyway, if they go by full cognatic primogeniture.
>>29717626We could have beaten him, if we rolled a crit when we knocked him out.But, by and large, it was clearly a fight we weren't meant to win.
>>29717640/b/ giving form?
>>29717623he was asleep the whole time, his sealed king did all the ravage thrusting.
>>29717655GOOD THING CRITS WERE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THANKS TO THE DICE CHANGE HEY
>>29717626No, no it wasn't.That's how things happen, and Monique got lucky in finding a treasure.Not everything has to go Reinhold's way.
"There're rules to those things?" you ask."I memorized them when I was a little girl since I dreamed of being lucky enough to find one," Agnes sighs nostalgically. "I guess I shouldn't expect everyone to know them off-hand like I do, though... I take it that you're interested in hearing about them?""If it's not too much trouble," you reply."Very well, then..." Agnes smiles. "The most basic aspect of the Sealed King is that they grant their holder the same powers as the elemental spirit from which they were created. So that Gilbeault boy can utilize ice magic just as easily as any Contractor or Devil Child, and doesn't have to Conceptualize Script or Invoke the spell or any of that in order to do so.""That sounds pretty convenient," Citrine replies."But it's not as if just anyone can pick one up and use it," Agnes continues, "the Sealed Kings themselves are still alive... even though they're trapped in sword form.""What, so they pick their masters?" you ask.>[1/?]
>>29717611>And i'm pretty sure Marianne is the sole heir too.mari is first in line, but they have a full order of who would get the throne if it wasn't her
>>29717655>>29717677>No. Not with the sword keeping him together. it was impossible from the start.
>>29717677The one we voted to pass.
>>29717626We don't need a Sealed King.We just need a sword that can withstand the cold and won't break from the forces. A flaming sword of reasonable weight is a nice start.
>>29717626Of course we won't get a sealed king with THAT kind of attitude!Get it together anon, nothing is set in stone.If we collectively put our heads together towards the goal of getting a sealed king, I'm sure we could get one.Of course, it would require we become a dick obsessed with getting it, but it's hard to have cake and eat it.
>>29717677no, if you beat a dc by a certain amount it counted as a crit.
>>29717697Arch specifically stated that if we rolled a crit, he would have stayed down.
>>29717648What ifWhat if Adrien is Thierri's brother
>>29717632Shit, roll failed, new fetish acquired. Well played, anon.
>>29717626We don't need a sealed king. That's why we'll never get one. Plus it's not as narratively appropriate.We'll have one (be one!) when playing as Monique though.
>>29717701Dude, archelon said no sealed sword ever for us.He hates power gaming. Seeking power is useless.We get what we got and that that.
>>29717699I sure as fuck didn't vote for it.I saw it as training wheels for an already easy quest and to make things worse it made crits useless.
>>29717701NOWE MUST FORGE OUR OWN SEALED KINGWITH US INSIDE OF ITNicklaus can help
>>29717710Nope you needed a 20 and something else over the dc.
>>29717730Well isn't that just fascinating.
>>29717741But Reinhold isn't a king. It would be a sealed bodyguard.
>>29717715I seem to recall Thierries bother started with an H or an L...I don't know. It would be pretty badass if you were right though.
>>29717697He siad that the crit would have ket him down.
>>29717701The best we can do is learn a WHOLE NEW SPELL EVERY NIGHT WOWZERS!!ANYTHING MORE AND IT'S POWERGAMING. (which is actually fun, but hey, the QM has a hateboner for it so w/e)
>>29717730if you dont like it, you are not being kept here.
>>29717761Raul
>>29717759We can't get an sealed king, and I don't think it possible to become a sealed king. If so, many powerful people would have done so before they died of old age.
>>29717730>training wheels for an already easy questHow can a story be easy or hard?
>>29717689> can utilize ice magic just as easily as any Contractor or Devil Child, and doesn't have to Conceptualize Script or Invoke the spell or any of that in order to do so.fuck yeah bitch.
>>29717699You mean the votes that we know are being samefagged by people who hate us and hate the quest?Good to know.
>>29717700This.We have plenty of money set aside.Lets get our own magic sword. Something that can stand up to temperature based attacks.
>>29717759We're the king of break
>>29717761Thierri's brother's name name is Raoul.
>>297177961/10 shitty sword would not duel withThis is the time we should take up a mace insteadThat's where the real pussygame is at
>>29717759it's already given he will be king.
>>29717729Look man, I'm getting real tired of the "BUT ARCHELON SAID!" shit.It's not that your wrong, Archelon may very well never let us have one.But at least come up with a real reason we CANNOT get one, other than "God says we can't, so we can't."
>>29717689>"The most basic aspect of the Sealed King is that they grant their holder the same powers as the elemental spirit from which they were created. So that Gilbeault boy can utilize ice magic just as easily as any Contractor or Devil Child, and doesn't have to Conceptualize Script or Invoke the spell or any of that in order to do so."...so wait, if this is the case, why did Anrasorana feel the need to contract with his holder in addition to letting him be his master?
>>29717759technically, if we marry a princess and become a king and then get sealed AFTER that, than we would literally be a sealed king.
>>29717786We rarely get into fights and it is mostly dialogue, so the moments when we needed to roll was a breathe of fresh air since it gave it a chance to actually fail and impact the story instead of insulting a girl and making up the next day.
>>29717794>We have plenty of money set aside.we also have a grandma with a massive sword collection that gave volker his, and a mad scientist friend that would be more than happy to give us enough of that bracelet material to make an amorphous blade that we could instantly reforge
>>29717689Hey Archelon QM, i know you said we are not going to GET a sealed king, but what is to stop us from MAKING a rival to a sealed king class (or near enough) sword ourselves?
>>29717844we need to have seal cavalry if we become kingour apparently compulsive need for bad puns compels us
>>29717859are you honestly this fucking stupid.
>>29717859Being shitty at magic?
>>29717835But that the whole fucking reason.When god said you can't do something and you attempt to do the thing he said you CAN'T do, you unable to do so.If god told you can't swim and you try to swim, guess what, you fucking drown.
>>29717844i think we'd be prince consort technically
>>29717870Just ignore the fucker, like most people from AI quest do.
>>29717848You sure Niklaus would do that? I can't really get a good read on him.
>>29717859And you stupid?Who are you going to seal in a blade?
>>29717835>But at least come up with a real reason we CANNOT get one, other than "God says we can't, so we can't."Because god says we can't, so we can'tSorry, this is like trying to push for harem mode. If you piss off god too much he's going to just fucking kill us. This is a line he has drawn, do you want to test it?Fuck you blotch captcha, I hope you rot in shit.
I must have missed it, but when did Arch say we weren't getting a sealed king?
>>29717865>Seal cavalry>Dad... why can't we eat tonight?>Son, our glorious king spent the national treasury on imported seals for the army>But...why?>Because it was a great StEAL
>>29717912I think it was way early in the quest, when people were all talking about upgrading our equipment and raiding the vault for powerful weapons.
>>29717835>"LETS DO A THING THAT THE PERSON WHO CONTROLS THIS WILL NEVER LET HAPPEN."Oh my fucking god.The /qtg/ was right.Every single player in this quest is a massive fucking idiot.And now I'm posting here too. Jesus fucking christ.
>>29717891i think he'd do it more for the sake of SCIENCE!!! than for us but i can completely see him doing it. think of it as just moving his bracelet experiment up a notch. "yes it works, but is there a limit to the amount of matter that can be influenced at one time"
>>29717893>>29717891>>29717859i think if er get Niklaus to help us re make our broken sword into a crystal magic one we will be pretty op
>>29717885How do I filter a nigga this dumb
>>29717937>Every single player in this quest is a massive fucking idiot.i think it's just one or two repeatedly posting
>>29717859Because the guy who has the spell has been dead for a thousand years I think
>>29717794>>29717848An idea.Titanium. It doesn't shatter easily, it doesn't rust, it's not a great electric conductor. Weight wise you can make something reasonably big and strong while having a decent swing speed to it. It's not the best for offensive enchantments but it'd be a PHENOMENAL defender, and our job is defense. Just gotta put some kind of metal magic on it and it'll be a perfect Reinblade.
>>29717912Because exactly what's happening right now.We're clamoring for one just because Monique has one and Reinhold's MC so he's got to get one by law, right?No, because it's fucking rare and that's the point.I still want to believe too though
>>29717835because there are like 26 of them in existence and the people who vastly outclass us in every way can't get a hold of them and monique getting one is probably a huge flukethat's like saying to a DM "what do you mean i'm never going to find an assault rifle, what's your justification for that" in a low fantasy setting.
>>29717835Why would Reinhold want a sealed king, and even if he does how is he going to get it? He likes his life now just being a bodyguard with all the privileges. He can't just go off adventuring and he probably doesn't even want to. >>29717859Because we don't know a thing about sealed kings other than what people have told us. We are clueless.
>>29717912early on the quest, go archive diving if your really want proof.
>>29717837He contracted with him prior to getting sealed.
>>29717912It was when power gamers caused 2-4 shit storms and caused arch to say we have the best gear around.
>>29717976Dude, this is a -sword- we're talking about here.You can't make it out of some pussy shit titanium. It has to be hand-forged from meteoric iron.
>>297179684chanx comes with a mini guide on how to do it.
>>29717935>>29717998Thanks
>>29717976>Titanium.WOW.GREAT IDEA YA DRINGUS.WE'LL JUST USE THE METAL THAT NEEDS ELECTRICAL FURNACES, VACUUM CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENTS AND HEAVY CHEMICAL REFINING TO MAKE.
>>29718027THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP MOTHERFUCKER
>>29717995Man, the contractee must have been piiiiissed.>"Anrasorana, I'm home!">Sword
>>29718027
>>29717976Titanium has shit stress ratings though with low fatigue. Parry the wrong attack and it'll bend right over and let that attack through.Plus the obvious problem of this being MEDIEVAL FANTASY so therefore alloys are right out unless it's some kind of bullshit magical alloy.
>>29717976One thing about us being defense though is that our fighting style is largely offensive. Just like in the duel we are the offensive type. If we should be doing anything it would be getting better at what we are already good at and supplement that with smaller skills.
>>29718027Well, this is a high-magic setting.
>>29718027MAGIC AND SHIT
>>29718027>>29718041Magic for some kind of Fantasy Alloy like Amalgam or Mithral?
>>29717976Nigga if they have the metallurgical prowess to purify and forge titanium then they can make us something out of a high carbon steel alloy that isn't brittle as hell.Titanium shatters like a mofo.and we already break swords as it is.
Rolled 93>>29718027MAGIC realm much? every one knows you get Titanium when a wizard casts refine on 'mineral sands'
So as its plainly obvious we have someone actively starting shit right now.If you believe you are about to respond to said person, please take a moment to consider if you actually want to start a conversation with them.
>>29717995>Mainly because Anrasorana ran a dojo which was taken over by the only person he ever contracted with after his sealing.So it was an ambiguous language thing; this was intended to mean that the only man he EVER contracted with took over the dojo after Anrasorana was sealed (and thus could not run the dojo any longer), rather than that the only man who he contracted with after having been sealed took over the dojo.Cool.
>>29718027you forgot also does not take an edge
>>29718058YOU HAVE TO HEAT TITANIUM TO 2000K TO MELT ITAND THAT'S NOT EVEN REFINING IT FROM THE SHITTY ROCKS THAT CONTAIN 0.10% TIATNIUM.TWOTHOUSAND DEGREES KELVIN.AT THIS TEMPERATURE IT REACTS WITH ANYTHING. CHIEFLY OXYGEN.SAY MAGIC MOTHERFUCKERI DARE YOUSEE WHAT HAPPENS FAGGOT
>>29718112MAGIC
>>29718112GM will not allow it to happened.Even if it was possible due to physics and magic, Gm will not allow it because it is powergaming.
>>29718112MAGIC MOTHERFUCKER.I couldn't help it. Had to say it.
>>29718112I won't say that any magic can do itBut Niklaus, the resident supermage alchemist can probably make something at least as good as titanium
>>29718112magic
>>29718112Magic science.
>>29717879>>29717911>>29717937Meh, people have lied to others before. I just assume that IF/WHEN we get a SWORD OF SUPER KILLIFICATION DEATH SLASHIES, it will be for a reason that will make sense in the story, not because a bunch of random weirdos (most of us posters) really, really, REALLY wanted it.
>>29718112Even if you made a titanium sword it would suck nuts compared to a good steel one.
>>29717689"That's right," Agnes says, nodding. "They choose a master based on personality or elemental affinity or even because there's nobody else around to choose from, and the person that they pick is bonded to them for life. The master they choose is then mentally linked with the sword, the elemental can telepathically communicate with them.""But the master is the -only- person who the elemental spirit can communicate with, so choosing a master is a rather big deal for them," Agnes explains."Yeah, it'd suck to be stuck with a total jerk as the only person you're able to talk to for sixty years," Citrine nods."Like Monique Gilbeault," Sylvie says, a scowl on her face."Yes..." Agnes sighs. "...and Celestino or Thierri couldn't confiscate Setsuranka from him even if they wanted to, as he's been recognized as her master. There's a few spells out there that can recall a named object to its user's hand, and the world itself doesn't recognize theft as a valid change in ownership."You're getting kind of lost here."Wait, 'the world?'" you ask."Yes, like now the world recognizes aggression towards the target of a Sanctuary spell and shields them from harm... I like to think it's simply the will of God, but others like to argue about that," Agnes replies.>[2/?]
>>29717893>>29717877>>29717870you shit heads don't get it do you? The sub quest to make a powerful sword for ourselves is always near end game goal. i never said RIGHT NOW! Reinhold has to work at it to make himself worth of having it too. >>29717949and THIS anon knows what's up. I am sure Niklaus won't make an ultra sword from a broken one, but i bet he can at least make one that is better than a masterwork grade sword.
Let's just go with the idea we had before the Sealed King showed up, christ: a highly skilled spell sword. Because, regardless of a sealed king or not, I'm sure that we agree that people the likes of Gregory and Arnaud could handle anything thrown their way.
Archelon, an open question to diffuse the building Science Magic storm that seems to be brewing.What kind of fantasy metals or Supernaturally Suffused Minerals/Metals what are interestingly uncommon but do exist in setting are there in your setting?
>>29718101just going to draw attention to this once more.
>>29718112Man why can't we just have a normal sword. Ask gram gram where she got Volker's sword and we just get another one of those. With shit we can customize.
>>29718179>Monique's bullshit intensifies
>>29718184Seriously. No matter what we do, nothing we make it going to be as cool as a Sealed King. Stop trying to plan the super ultimate blade we can make and accept we're going to have to settle for a reasonably decent blade and just be badass skill wise.
>>29718196explain?
>>29718179Reality confirmed for sentient. We are in a computer program.
>>29718134NO NO NO NO NO NO NOFUCK OFFYOU DON'T JUST MAKE TITANIUM WITH MAGICYOU CANTYOU YOU FUCKING CANTDO YOU KNOW JUST HOW TIME CONSUMING THE KROLL PROCESS ISFUCK YOU IS HOW LONG IT TAKES.YOU NEED TO TREAT EVERYTHING.YOU NEED TO TURN IT INTO TITANIUM TETRACHLORIDE.YOU NEED TO FRACTIONALLY DISTILL THE TI(CL4)YOU NEED TO PUT IT IN A VACUUM TO CAST ITAND I'VE DUMBED IT DOWNTITANIUM IS FUCKING HORRIBLE
>>29718180Dude, it been fucking 100 thread already.It seems more like a damn movie or a story than a quest due to how little the character interacts, change or know about the world.
>>29718196Maybe Setsuranka genuinely likes Monique. Plenty of us here seem to like him.
>>29718196If it wasn't for the fact everyone hates him and he has frequent nervous breakdowns, he'd be a pretty solid gary stu.
>>29718179well fuck, there goes that idea of Thierri taking the sealed king from Monique.
I think it's hilarious how butthurt people are getting about Monique. It's nearly as entertaining as the quest itself.Good show, Arch.
>>29718112Calm down man. We're suspending reason for fantasy.I am entirely comfortable with the idea that in a world where objects that can materialize from nothing, inanimate objects can be animated, and the concept whether or not something has a soul is objective and empirical, I am comfortable that an object's entropy can be manipulated.
>>29718223well, you should be glad that it's easier with MAGIC
>>29718223>autismTitanium is a horrible metal for a sword, but you're sperging out about this way too much.
>>29718223What about magic titanium?
>>29718228Monique 's character is that he's an ordinary pushover noble that happens to put on a dickhead personality because that's what he thinks being a noble is.
>>29718223You're assuming we can't just use magic to just...magically extract the titanium. And then use magic to work it.
>>29718231Eh no.The whole fucking country loves him and now he got a magical nuke sword that the PC will never ever fucking get.
>>29718196Get off your autism horse. Monique is great.
>>29718223okay confirmed for autistic. Calm your shit.
>>29718218see >>29718231 while remembering "everyone" is basically our close circle of friends +Gregory. Important all of them, but few
PLS stop the shitstorms
Aside from Material, there is also forging or construction technique.Imagine using delicate magic to shape the internal structure into a series of honeycombs, a very structural sound shape? Or would that be bullshit.
>>29718184personally i want the bracelet modded volker sword from niklas because 1. it lets rein keep using volker's sword, which would be a big thing for him2. even if we don't get the control over it's amorphous shape like kayneth had with the mercury in fate/zero, just being able to reforge it if it does break fits rein's style amazingly
>>29718223thank goodness for magic
Some of you wanted sword waifu NTR, you certainly got it. Honestly I am taking this as a hint to steer us away from the pursuit of power/glory. Obtaining powerful magic weapons is not a primary goal of this quest.
Arch, the reason thread quality has decreased is because everyone is sick of Marconetti and also Monique's bullshitIt happens. I think a change of scenery will fix it, but no need to rush these things.
>>29718263The actual royal family of the country he lives in doesn't really like him one bit.Who cares what the peasantry thinks?
>>29718240>peopleI'm pretty sure it's one guy convinced that monique is arch's self insert DMPC or something
>>29718256Fuck Magic Titanium.Get some Space Titanium
>>29718307Probably two.
>>29718223MAAAAGGGIIIIICCCCLIBERAL DOSES OF HANDWAVIUM SHOULD HELP WITH CREATING ENOUGH HEAT, WITH A LARGE CHUNK OF UNOBTAINIUM TO MIX IN WITH THE METALWHOOO, MAGIC WIZARD BULLSHIT WHO THE FUCK CARES ITS MAGIC
>>29718301Also the fucking nobles love him for beating down the peasent bodyguard.the actual royal family might not like him but the absolute rest of the country fucking loves him.
>>29718289While you are right, I can see why people are so eager to. Our main rival got something we'll never match in any way and anything we get won't be very impressive in comparison. Players hate not being able to be top dog in stuff.
>>29718180(1/2)
>>29718289But we're a fucking bodyguard. How can we guard without power?
>Titanium spergI'm fucking dying. This is so unbelievably stupid.
>>29718325Well we did have a character find a sealed king under his bed so I'm pretty much okay with anything at this point
>>29718226i can fully believe this quest to run into 1,000 threads. It's already a VN Arch is making. i can't put it past the idea that someone will write a novel or make a movie about this quest. Shit, i bet hollywood would jump all over this in time. they are so empty of new ideas and this one is rather fresh and all.
Monique is a great character because he makes /tg/ collectively shit itself in autism rage and jealously. Fucking great job on him, Arch, although I'm sure it was an accident.
>>29718179>The will of godI'M ON TO YOU ARCH
>>29718180>>29718347(2/2)
I still say we just ought to roll with creating our own sentient weapon through Tina, since Arch hinted that it's possible, though it won't be easy from that same hint.
If we ever get some sort of sealed sword equivalent I bet it'll be whichever waifu we picked trapped in a sword.
>>29718231but i like him anon.
>>29718328>>29718352>Bawwwww I'm not the biggest dog in the setting bawwwwwwww.>The protagonist lost, all is over>bawwwww>Why can we lose in anything>Why aren't we perfectThis is getting kind of repetitive. Stop throwing tantrums over a quest on the Internet.
>>29718297>also Monique's bullshitthis is arguable, but i agree with your other point.
>>29718381Fuck off you prick
>>29718321Make that three you little bitch because now that someone's mentioned it, it makes an AWFUL lot of sense.
>>29718369>It's already a VN Arch is makingi thought it was supposed to be a comic but he gave up do to not being able to drawalso arch, question about the rules of sealed kings. if someone with an element bonds with a sealed king of a different element, does the wielder's element change?
>>29716750You should take a break for a month or two. Mess around with Renpy, plan the routes out, do some editing. Keep us updated on progress.Then maybe continue the quest after things have calmed down or just keep making the game.
>>29718403>>Why aren't we perfectMore like why aren't we slightly good in any way?
>>29718407Are you trying to communicate with people now?
>>29718361I'm actually surprised Monique wasn't walking funny during the duel from pulling that sword out from his ass.
>>29718403You're an idiot, it's not because we aren't the big dog, it's that the ceiling of power levels was established to be with these fucking swords and one of the characters just walks into the quest with one of these swords.How do you fucking recover the story after that? This is worse than copies of the sword of light.
>>29718417>"Wait, 'the world?'" you ask.>"Yes, like now the world recognizes aggression towards the target of a Sanctuary spell and shields them from harm... I like to think it's simply the will of God, but others like to argue about that," Agnes replies.Accidental repeat of last post. Delete imminent?
>>29718421This will be addressed in the net story post.
>>29718317how about a sword made of gundanium?
>>29718347>>29718381why am i finding this so hilarious
>>29718430Yes. Because we totally didn't gut him before the powerup, and neither are we nearly the best damned swordsman in two lands, given our age. And are being trained by goddamn Arnaud. Give us some credit.>>29718436>You're an idiot, it's not because we aren't the big dogNo, that's exactly it. Autists going to autism.
>>29718430>why aren't we slightly good in any way?>Pretty much everyone worth a damn is damned impressed with us>We've won every fight we've been in so farYou're an idiot.
>>29718403I don't care about that. I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to hate the idea of the protagonist getting stronger, if we're massively under-qualified for our job.
>>29718403>big dawg in questMore like "We have built the story up to be us slowly gaining power and someone cuts ahead to the front of the line"
>>29718448Why not just build a Gundam?
>>29718179"So you can't steal them from their owners, and the man who designed their curse also made it so that anyone connected to the death of a sword's owner isn't able to be chosen as its new master," Agnes sighs. "I suspect that's why Volker's rivals to getting the Sealed King struck when they did...""...because they'd have to get both Volker and Adrien out of the way before the sword could pick either of them," you say."That's my guess, at least.">[3/?]
>>29718445thank you, have pic since i think this is the thing other anons said you liked
>>29718449Because they're moving.ITS THE ONLY WAY TO GET IT THROUGH HIS THICKFUCKINGSTUPIDSKULL
>>29718424Fuck that.Not that I want Arch to push himself,he should continue as is.You can't shake off trolls, they're here for every popular quest. It's just the way of things.
>>29718417Is there any rule concerning the revelation of a sword's enchantments in the middle of a match?
>>29718454We need to crit the roll.With the rules of the dice, that was fucking impossible.I believe the chances of success was like 2 percent or 4 due to mathematics in a qtq thread.
...I want to read more of gram gram's lecture...and not this thread's background argument about metals, science, and magic.Please can we reign this in and not go full shitstorm?
>>29718454> and neither are we nearly the best damned swordsman in two landsWhich is completely meaningless. Magic so overwhelms any ability with a sword that swordsmanship is a worthless skill. And even in duels, enough magic is permitted that actual personal skill with a sort doesn't matter.
>>29718448What if we made our sword out of Uranium 235? Eh? It's even called weapons grade Uranium in high concentrations, so you know it exists to be made into a weapon like a sword.
>>29718454>No, that's exactly it. Autists going to autism.no, that's your strawman to keep lying to yourself that this turn of event is anything but narrative convenience.
Archelon you better have a gun because I'm gonna find where you live and come and beat the shit out of you.
>>29718507Nigga what the fuck
>>29718505>>29718507if you're so butthurt just stop following the questseriously, manwhy are you even still here?
>>29718497>And even in duels, enough magic is permitted that actual personal skill with a sort doesn't matter.This is true. Hopefully Karel and us can bitch at Celestino enough to make some changes. Or something. archelon has already said this will be addressed IC.>>29718505>no, that's your strawman to keep lying to yourself that this turn of event is anything but narrative convenience.If you hate what archelon is doing why bother following the quest? I am legit curious.
>>29718487For fucks sake it was considered a win already just drop the fucking rule breaking spiel.
>>29718479Lunar Titanium, I like the idea.
>>29718507Nigga you better have a good monitor, because i'm going to find where you live and come and beat the shit out of you.
>>29718507man what?
>>29718479AND ON THIS CORNER IS REINHOLD PILOTING THE PTSD GUNDAM
>>29718507forgot my name :^)
>>29718532no fuck you
>>29718489Yet people chose that option and we saw 20s get wasted left and right.
>>29718507The fuck is wrong with you.
>>29718436>This is worse than copies of the sword of light.I don't like it as much as you, but come on, the sword of light thing was a joke to how DMs make uber-weapons but then realize "oh shit, that trivializes everything they come across from now on" which results in making copies of the same weapon. It's a joke making fun of the power treadmill
>>29718532I'm curious since it seems that all the rules are immediately skewed to favor Monique.
>>29718479That will be our final form, as metal aligned.
>>29718507Sorry, but I found that funny for some reason.
>DEATH THREATS>RAMPANT NAMEFAGS>STORY GOING NOWHERE>POSTING THE SAME SENTENCES OVER AND OVER AGAINTHE END TIMES HATH ARRIVED.
>Start following PGQ to find a break from Shadow Quest's toxic fanbase.>PGQ's fanbase goes toxic.
>>29718592Shut the FUCK up already, you're only making it worse.
>>29718527>>29718521>gosh if you don't like it stop reading itI've been following since thread 20. I think it's bullshit, but I want to see where it goes first before I write arch as the worst storyteller ever. If it goes back to the castle with various tidbits about how Monique is feeding starving africans and inventing the steam engine while wearing tight blue spandex, then I'll quit.
>>29718592You forgotTAKING 10 TO 15 MINUTES TO WRITE A COUPLE SENTENCES RIDDLED WITH ELLIPSES
arhcelon can i suck youre dick
someone draw something to defuse the thread, quick
>>29718582It's more like Arch nailing it down because people were so obsessed with fucking winning.
>>29718101And a third time pointing this out.Please be cautious about responding to retarded people.
>>29718593It'll probably get a bit better after a few threads.
>>29718593PGQ's fanbase was always cancerous. It being hostile is new.
>>29718593I feels you man. I just wanted to relax.
>>29718610You're right!>TAKING 20/30 MINUTES TO WRITE FANFIC TIER SHIT>CONSTANT OVERUSE OF ELLIPSES AND OTHER GRAMMATICAL ERRORS
>>29718630I know Shadow Quest got a lot better after we got of Namek. Hopefully once we return to Granache shit will calm down.
>>29718593I feel you, man.
>>29718605Good, please leave.Monique is not a mary sue and was never slated as one.He got lucky, and he has some skill.That's it.
>>29718582His great-grandfather made the damn rules. I am pretty sure when he went into that duel he was fucking sure that anything he did was ok or ok enough.
>>29718644Probably not. Unless QTG takes an interest in another quest.
>>29718593At least you didn't see it change as the quest became more popular.hell the fucker players attitude at the begging towards now is worlds different.
>>29718622here is reinhold with best grill
>>29718593I know that feel all too well, friend.
>>29718623Victory is the absolute virtue. If we didn't win the tournament, Rein would not be a bodyguard.If he didn't seek power by training his swordmanship, he be a fucking trap prostitute.To those who don't win, they suffer and they die.Winners are the ones who get the most out of life.
>>29718638That's because a bunch of antiquest retards started piling in trying to get this to stop running.
>>29718593know how you feel doodIt makes me feel sorry for Ach that has to put up with this more than we do
>>29718676Chin's too small.
>>29718666he was at least confident he could convince people he was right
>>29718672I DID though. I joined in thread #2.
>>29718681And we had our victory in knowing that we can handily beat monique, new skills or not.But spasming over the material outcome is petty and what losers do.
>>29718676YAY! Now everyone can be friends again!
>HAHA SO GUYS IT TURNS OUT THAT SWORD THAT'S DANGEROUS? YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY TAKE IT AWAY>HAHA LET ME RETCON THE RULES SO ALL THE RULE BREAKING STUFF HE DID WAS ACTUALLY LEGALA+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ TIER WRITING WOULD FUND A VN TEN TIMES OVER.
>>29718560fucker, stop stealing my name and causeing shit to happen.
>>29718593It seems like Shadow Quest's Toxicity moved here because it was really fucking clean last I saw of it.
>>29718644Shadow Quest got better after Xile because the playerbase collectively realized how shitty they were being and the whole thing ended on a high note with magical shadow-wind hybrid airships. I have my doubts about that claim.
>>29718666This, he might have lawyered a bit, but i doubt he would risked being DQ.
>>29718652You forgot to put in "Magic Sword of Bullshit"
>>29718676best gril a shit
>>29718676Best grill is fucking shit, I've edited your fan-art to make it much more accurate.
>>29718676best girl a shit
>>29718676Sylvia a shit.
QUESTION TO CLAY SCULPTER ANON IF HE'S HEREHOW MUCH WILL MEGACHIN MARIANNA COST?I'M PREPARED TO PAY A LOT.
Is PGQ the Evangelion of VNs?
>>29718723No YOUR stealing MY name
So at this point it's pretty obvious there is like 1 or 2 guys who have shown up and are just trolling us all. Let us not rise to further bait and get back to enjoying post surgery recovery/character catch ups.I imagine our lumps are around the corner.
>>29718644Didn't it get a lot better because people actually understood why they fucked up and did their best to not do it again?
>>29718720Dude you're just mad because people pointed out your a retard.Nobody likes you.
>>29718743>>29718751>>29718752goddamit pgqwithin seconds
>>29718763hmm hhmm yesepic truely epic speech my friendlet us not troll or be trolled
>>29718739That was where the luck comes in.Sometimes anon, people get lucky.Sometimes, they get very lucky.
>>29718759Not deep enough.
Come on guys, we're probably irritating arch.
>>29718763>>29718766i agree good anons. i await archelon's next post
>>29718766actually no.If Monique said that magic is allow if only offensive.but he cheated and the sword was keeping him going, thus support/healing magic.and that shit was illegal.
>>29718799>irritatinghe hasn't posted in like 15 minutes and he was already in a bad moodhe's probably long gone by nowi think the best thing to do at this point is just everyone stop posting
>>29718809it was deemed legal by the referee, but considered unfair.
>>29718795There's luck, and there's stacking the deck.
[12:42:41]<archelon>: My players are so stupid.[12:43:07]<archelon>: They've done stupid things, and there have been consequences.[12:43:56]<archelon>: And there will continue to be.[12:44:32]<archelon>: I don't get why they don't understand that.
Hey Arch, what the hell would Monique have done with Setsuranka if our choices had lead us to being on better terms with him?>>29718823>15 minutesThat's not that much for a Quest Thread.
>>29718860Real convincing there, hombre. Screencaps or gtfo.
>>29718860Is there a word for sad, mad and disappointed at once?
>>29718860He was a NEET once. Surely he understands the kind of people that wind up on 4chan?
>>29718872>Hey Arch, what the hell would Monique have done with Setsuranka if our choices had lead us to being on better terms with him?Don't expect an answer for this because it would require him to think outside the rails he laid.
ugh seriously what's wrong with you guys tonight? are you all having your periods or something?
>>29718885It's called a "Father".
>>29718860I understand consequences. I await them and want to see where they take the story next.I'm just confused what the earlier arguing was even about or how it spiraled into madness or how there were seemingly three distinct fluff providers....I don't know what's going on.I just want to finish Agne's lecture and then see what happens next/what choice we will make next.
>>29718842>>29718739>>29718605Let arch tell his story. He doesn't owe you anything, neither do the rest of the readers.
>>29718480It looks like Agnes is rather shaken up over remembering what happened to Volker, but then she takes a deep breath and continues speaking."The last major thing about the Sealed Kings is that their curse is apparently -not- permanent," Agnes says."Wait-" you stammer. "Seriously!? What, they get turned back if their sword form breaks?""No, they -die- if their sword form breaks," she shakes her head. "From what I understand, the way the curse works is that all of the Sealed Kings could only use the most basic of their abilities when they were sealed. And as they absorb the excess magical energy given off by their owners, they slowly regain those abilities.""...so it's kind of like how my bracelet eats some of my on magical energy just from me wearing it?" you say as you look down at your wrist."That's how Mr. Niklaus explained it to me when he was telling me how the crystals function," Sylvie replies.>[4/?]
jesus where's the janitors when you need them
>>29718912It's /qtg/.
>>29718912i'm having fun
>>29718912Just another installment of PGQ
>>29718926HAHA~This bodes well for the crystal.
>>29718936at the expense of everyone else
>>29718837So the ref gets to decide what legel or not legel, not the rule book that Monique used to be able to use the sealed sword?If so, I call fucking briding for the judge to let that happpened.
>>29718872>Hey Arch, what the hell would Monique have done with Setsuranka if our choices had lead us to being on better terms with him?What do you mean by that?
>>29718926>so it's kind of like how my braceletArch you magnificent bastardYou like stoking the fire, don't you?
>>29718922>IT'S FREE YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN are you mentally handicappedi can't even imagine what cocktail of mental illnesses would make you say this
>>29718926...so at some point in the future, they're going to start absorbing enough energy from their wielders to COME BACK?Jesus christ, THAT'S going to be a shitstorm.
I think the problem here is that Arch has this worked out already but the fact that he does have this worked out comes off as railroading and he takes so long with his writing and pacing that we aren't seeing any silver lining and just seeing us losing to the god hax sword of ultimate power.
>>29718926>"No, they -die- if their sword form breaks," she shakes her head. "From what I understand, the way the curse works is that all of the Sealed Kings could only use the most basic of their abilities when they were sealed. And as they absorb the excess magical energy given off by their owners, they slowly regain those abilities.">"...so it's kind of like how my bracelet eats some of my on magical energy just from me wearing it?" you say as you look down at your wrist.Tina confirmed for potentially ascended crystal spirit if we pour excessive amounts of our own magical energy into her!
>>29718951>The ref gets to decide what is or is not legal>Sometimes rule books aren't balanced.It's like I'm actually playing sports.
>>29718860arch please don't leave us, i love your writing, but maybe taking a few days off after this and letting people cool down some would be a good idea>>29718916i know i shouldn't laugh at this but i can't help but to do so
>>29718916N-not all fathers feel that way!
>>29718860One thing I don't get. How were we supposed to know that our sword would break if we kept fighting?
>Cosgrove offers a decent, well thought out post (that is probably more words than the average PGQ thread lol)>Archelon brushes it off and plugs his ears.top fuckin lelgg no re
>>29718953I think he means that monique played it off like he planned this whole thing to break our sword with the ice thing. You said if we hadn't punched him he would've been mostly ok with us, so what would he have done with a sealed king if we were on good terms with him?
>>29718916A shitty father, maybe.
>>29718975Taking time off isn't going to do anything, the people who keep shitting up these threads are pretty fucking determined.
>>29718951As an avid /sp/ enthusiast, I can guarantee you that public sporting events have botched calls and games all the time.Even at the most professional level.
>>29719000Or a father of a shitty son.
>>29718951iirc posession mode was deemed legal, and this was likely some extension of that. against the spirit of the rules but not technically illegal>>29718970bracelet sentience has already been hinted at, and i think it may be jealous of mari
>>29718993Where was this?
>>29718926>their curse is apparently -not- permanentJesuschristhowhorrifying.jpg.png.gif.exeOn the bright side, at least we now have a perfectly valid reason for fiddling with Tina constantly.
>>29719033If you were a good father, you wouldn't have a shitty son. Nice try.
>>29718993link plz?
Hey, Arch? I'm not sure how many other people would enjoy it, but what are the chances of having a straight up Q&A thread one day? Just a thread to explore the setting, and get information about some of those nagging questions people might have.
We should definitely get a sword made out of the living crystal in the far-far-future. Not out of powergaming or anything like that, but because having a living crystal sword is cool.
>>29718926TINAAAAAAAA MAI WAIFU!
>>29719046Why would you respond to that
>>29719046Supposedly in the Quest IRC. Nobody posted screenies though so I call bullshit.
[12:55:47]<archelon>: I'm bored now.[12:56:02]<archelon>: I'm going to finish.
>>29718957>I willingly misinterpret what others sayHe means that this is something he does for the people who like his writing, and if you are not a fan there is nothing making you stay here. This isn't a product you are forced to use and there is a wide variety of other quests for you to choose from out there which are also free.If those don't satisfy you, then you are free to create your own and compete in the open market of writing that is the /tg/ quest thread.
>>29719044I think right now the bracelet's primarily reactive.. it's learning by feeding off of our emotions as well as our energies. The more we give it, the more it has to work with to develop a personality.
>>29719061http://pastebin.com/kHuk5TZy
>>29719076I can confirm that he did not say this.
>>29719076
>>29718582DMPC
>>29719061>>29719046http://pastebin.com/kHuk5TZy
>>29718990we went over the limit, i think. it was more about knowing when to stop before we get destroyed than thinking about the well-being of our blade.but ah, who wouldn't have done it on the heat of the moment? >>29718997well, without us he wouldn't have left on his journey to find and train with the sword, i guess
>>29719070Would you believe me if I said I was curious.
>>29719060Good point. Add "guilt" to the mix.
>>29719093>>29719099Archelon's Response?
>archelon on irc freaking out about thread qualityi wonder whyifuckinwonderwhy
>>29719093thanksand that really is a beautifully done piece of criticism
>>29719154Probably people who don't punctuate or use capitalization.
>>29719065>I'm not sure how many other people would enjoy itdear god i would
>>29719150see >>29718860as an anon said, "n-no guys it's n-not my fault.."
>>29719107>well, without us he wouldn't have left on his journey to find and train with the sword, i guessNo he already had the sword by the time we punched him, and by then he forgave us for the sword.
>>29719176Well then maybe Arch should improve on his writing ability if he's so upset about it.
>>29719154But anon, he isn't freaking out. Some of us actually can see the IRC.>>29719179Just an FYI, that one is also misinformation.
>Archelon is talking about how he was molested as a kid in the IRCWhat the fuck
I implore ALL of you dumbshits to learn IRC so you can all sit in the channel and see when he's shittalking you all.
>>29719098Honestly, I'll be alright with the duel if I just get to see Monique deal with some pretty bad consequences, like depression from realizing that he had broken the rules, a constant sense of shame from realizing that he ruined his self image of being an honorable man, stuff like that
>>29718926"So as time goes on and they absorb energy from their holders, their power slowly grows... and it's said that once their total energy absorbed matches what they had back when they were first sealed, a final ability will unlock that will restore them to their true forms," Agnes says."Has that ever even happened before?" you ask."No," she shakes her head. "It's been nearly a millennium since their sealing, but none of the Sealed Kings have regained their physical bodies. But they tend to choose masters that match their own elemental type, as the energy absorption works best in cases like that.""It also works the other way around," Sylvie says. "If someone with a water affinity got their hands on a Fire-element Sealed King, the total amount of energy that they're able to absorb from them is decreased by a lot.""Anrasorana was the strongest spirit of Fire, so I'm sure that the energy that he'll need to reclaim is the most," Agnes says, "but his sole wielder up until very recently was a man who had contracted with him previously and proceeded to take over his swordsmanship school in his place... thanks to this and the fact that he hasn't had to change hands more than once since his sealing, I'd bet that he'd be the first to regain his body.">[5/6]
>>29719179Why are you so determined on shitting the thread up with this drama?I'd just like to move on and not bitch about every single inconvenience that happens.
>>29719229
>>29719154don't freak out arch, your stuff is great. if i didn't think so i wouldn't put up with all this in thread fighting, i'd just read the pdf you link to in the pastebin
>>29719241NO THE ONLY CONSEQUENCES WILL APPLY TO PLAYERSBECAUSE WE ARE THE ONLY ONES TO MAKE MISTAKES
Proof that Archelon is barely talking in the IRC.
>>29719250Arch why don't you learn to indent your paragraphs? You're not in high-school anymore. Or maybe you are.
>>29719271FINALLYWas that so hard, people? PROOF.
>>29718997Ah.He'd have still kept it a secret like he did, and then showed off at a thematically appropriate moment (in his eyes) to brag and brag and brag.
Archelon you better watch the fuck out because I'm going to get your IP from IRC thanks to a ircop friend.
>>29719276 You can't indent on 4chan, nigger. Or at least, there is no reason to.
>>29719250>Strongest Fire Spirit>become sealed sword>have a school of swordsmanship>have user take over said school>Pass down from student to student until ressurectionHonestly, that fire spirit is smart...except for the swordsmanship thing. Likely just a fucking hobby that managed to save his ass due to the sealed sword business.
>>29719241i'd like to see this. sure he may have officially won and sure the general populace may love him, but he knows full well he would not have gotten back up if setsuranka didn't save him, and knowing that even with a sealed king he had to resort to (to him) dishonorable methods, may very well hurt his ego in some way
>>29719309That is EXACTLY what happened.Anrasorana liked not-Japan so much that he opened his own dojo and then got turned into a katana for his troubles.
>>29719250Man, we're gonna need a type chart for this.
>>29719333Spiffy.
>>29719333Is there anything in particular that determined what kind of sword each of the Sealed Kings is?
>>29719333I can imagine worse fates.
>>29719309>except for the swordsmanship thing. Likely just a fucking hobbyiirc the entire reason possession mode is legal in duels is so that he can have fun fighting
>>29719335>http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Type_chartHere you go
>>29719333I know this is only going to incite crazyness, but is there even a sealed king for metal?
>>29719358Are they all swords?
>>29719385no.
>>29719385NO becuase that would be POWERGAMING
>>29719385 Ozzy Osbourne
>>29719385there was a spirit of metal in the shape of a dragon that stayed free since he always flew around and was hard to track>>29719387curse was specifically designed to turn them into swords so i'd guess yes
>>29719241I'm that anon, and I agree with you. If he has to deal with real consequences then at least something was accomplished in this whole fiasco.I'll still be butthurt because I believe that archelon wasted two threads patronizing his players by calling for a series of decisions and rolls that didn't affect anything when he could have just presented the duel to us in a 3rd person POV narrative. But at least there will be some glimmer of hope for the writing.
>>29719333Why were these elementals sealed again? Cause it seems like a real dick move.
>>29719385Sealed Kings not allowed, Anon. Or fun. Or Powergaming. Or trying to branch out in any way, shape or form.
>>29719250>[6/6]"Huh, I didn't know any of that," you say. "Thanks for the explanation.""Don't worry, it was fun for me to actually get a chance to talk about all of that stuff," Agnes replies, smiling. "Sorry if I bored the rest of you with my rambling, though...""I thought it was really interesting!" Citrine says. "Now I'm wondering which one Volker and Adrien were going for...""And I think I have a bit of inspiration for my next painting now," Marius nods."I'm always been interested in the Old Kings, so don't mind me!" Sylvie says, shaking her head.>any more questions regarding that?
>>29719440Dude was batshit crazy, I think.
>>29719440douchebag sorcerer with a powerboner
Remember, Magic is the only way to survive against the upcoming foes.If there any upcoming foes at all.
>>29719429I'm pretty sure we were 2 away on a crit from winning.
>>29719462Is it possible to fuck a sealed king?
>>29719462Nah. Let's ask about Marie.
I missed the last few threads and just got done reading them, Sealed Kings are some bullshit they are basically an auto-win in duels for anyone who possesses one, the only people who could face them on even somewhat even terms are other people with other Sealed Kings.
>>29719462"talking about swords and volker, do you know where i could get a new unbreak... well, nearly unbreakable blade?"
>>29719440im going to guess wizards, as they have no concept of right and wrong. I mean just look at Niklaus
>>29719462Nah
>>29719492This.
>>29719462Ask where your old sword went.Then ask where to get a new sword.
>>29719462"All this talk about swords and Sealed Kings has got me wondering, where's mine?"
>>29719429even if we weren't able to win (which i don't think is true), we still affected the outcome. we could have bowed out at any number of points, one of the votes being literally a one vote difference>>29719440>Cause it seems like a real dick move.it kind of was, the guy that did it was a dick ass wizard
>>29719518>>29719516This
>>29719492I would imagine it's possible in the same way it's possible to fuck a regular sword.
>>29719499Actually Reinhold was on the verge of wining, you have to remember that Moniques sword held him up long enough for him to leave the arena with pride.
>>29719492Voting
>>29719462does the sealed king take on many forms? or are they all just swords?
>>29719494This.
>>29719503>>29719516These
>>29719462Nah we should probably go and see everyone else.
>>29719492seconding
>>29719462First, ask if anyone knows how Marie is doing. Because we haven't heard anything on her for a while.Then, ask about our sword. If anyone picked up the pieces for us, how Volker got it in the first place, if it could be reforged, make a joke about trying out using two swords and then seriously consider the idea.
>>29719462Do you know anything about the metal sealed king ?
>>29719499we have been there done that man, please don't go dragging up an old corpse
>>29719467>>29719473You'd think that the elementals would just kill the fucker after the first 10 or so were sealed because holy fuck, why would they let this continue?
>>29719518>>29719516But we saw it get fucking shattered, unless you're referring to the hilt and/or pieces of the blade?
>>29719462>So...all this talk of legendary swords has reminded me that I think I may need a new one...though I don't think I need something like that.
>>29719462"What do you think we should do with the sword? Can it be repairrd?"Family is all here.
>>29719494This, at last.
>>29719518we didn't suffer from memory loss, we already know what happened to it.
>>29719462Can a Sealed King absorb energy from other elementals, or just human-like wielders? Or are humans just better energy conduits regardless than elementals even if the total energy potential is lower?I'd also be interested in more info on the crazy dude who did the sealing, but judging by why she knows this, I dunno that she'll have a really good summary.
>>29719494This here. Come on its our job guys.>>29719492No, fuck you.
>>29719492
>>29719558There is no metal sealed king.Also, this bears repeating, no sealed kings for Reinheld ever.
>>29719516Fourth'd. Maybe two.
Oh boyTime for PTSD
>>29719546This.
>>29719358Personality and the way they used their abilities, mostly. Anrasorana got turned into a katana because that's what he used, Setsuranka's blade is deep blue because that's her favorite color (and what she was named for), etc.>>29719385There are multiples for all elements.>>29719440Long story short:Crazy man likes swords. He REALLY likes swords.So he goes about figuring out how to make the absolute best swords ever, and his waifu volunteered to be the test subject.It was a success, so he went about roaming the continent in order to keep on making awesome swords.Because he was crazy.
>>29719462so bonding with a sealed king doesn't change your element, but still lets you use their element without invocation? did i get that right archalso, ask about if anyone knows where mari is, she hasn't even been mentioned
>>29719271Fuck, they're talking about my dice program! Tell them that they should change the DC in the "output [whatever it was]" to see different curves for different DCs. It doesn't show "fail" or "pass" but just how likely you're to get certain values. But you can tell how likely you're to pass by looking at the At Least tab and checking out the likelyhood or rolling DC or higher. If you want to know crit chances, look at the Normal tab: 1's probability is crit fail probability, 21's probability is crit success probability, 20's probability is getting a normal success 20.
>>29719562Political gain and thinking they were too powerful for the puny mortal.or he was that good
>>29719492mentally maybe, or telepathically in your dreams. I hope this remains officially unansw-why the hell is this getting votes? This is not something you ask your grandmother!
>>29719564>>29719571We so far haven't adressed that yet.more suffering!
>>29719592S-Shirou?
>>29719494This
>>29719462can we ask about volkers' sword? where is it? did they collect the shards? can it be reforged?
>>29719492Please
>>29719505well shit>>29719592>crazy man roams continent making swords out of elementalsI totally called it, though it was a tad obvious.
>>29719609fuck off with your suffering.
>>29719592I want to find this man and shake his hand.
archelon I think you should take a breakeverything's......slipping.
>>29719492Please don't ask gram gram thisWe have to take this query to Monique
>>29719655What if Reinhold is his reincarnation
>>29719587>implying we need a magic stick to kick more ass.we just need more training, that's about it, sword of fuck you +50 are for weaklings with no talents on their own >>29719592with great powers comes great... LOL NO, wizards!
>>29719653You have no appreciation for drama, anon.
>>29719596Don't you need to separate the normal 1's from the crit-fail 1's?
>>29719660No fuck that. He shouldn't have made the thread if he wanted a break
>>29719651It was also already explained.
>>29719462>"Now I'm wondering which one Volker and Adrien were going for..."Metal dragon the only one to escape the sealing.Metal being a rare element>We're not getting a sealed king in our element are we
>>29719492Yes, this
>>29719592>and his waifu volunteered to be the test subject.>It was a successNot very impressive turning a sword into a sword.
>>29719619no, shirou's girl started as a sword, wizard made his girl into sword>>29719651>I totally called itit's been explained already, by arnaud iirc, a long ass time ago
>>29719564I'm referring to the hilt, yes.
>>29719492Say thismaybe we have grown some testicles
>>29719494I agree.
>writing
>>29719521This was the reveal of the Sealed Kings, the nuclear option in this setting. Nothing would have allowed us to win and interfere with this. We're basically nobody. Everyone in the castle is more more skilled or wields more personal power. For the concept of the Sealed Kings as the ultimate magical weapons in the setting to remain valid, we had to lose. So we did.If that's what has to be, then the QM should just quit pretending that we have agency and writefag it.
>>29719660The quest has gotten more popular and there are more trolls. This is 4chan. /b/ is mainstream and popular as shit that's why it's shit. Don't feed the trolls. Seriously its simple.
>>29719492This is a stupid question to ask.Don't.
>>29719592> We are metal> metal is a subset of earth> earth is associated with bulk And strength> We use a broadsword> Broadswords are mostly strength (behind claymore)Metal sealed king would likely be or homeboy if we got it
Rather than using a fancy sword wouldn't it be better to beat people with normal weapons?
>>29719677In this system, you can't have normal 1s, because if your highest roll is 1 (that, is you roll 1, 1, 1) then you also critfail.
>>29719592>There are multiples for all elements.S...so you're saying there's a chance!
>>29719732IT'S TOO LATE
>>29719596I think I covered most of that later on in that conversation, but the "at least" tab thing was probably a good thing to mention.
>>29719751No.
>>29719729Ids not just the trollsthe writing is.....like drinking out of date milk this week
>>29719751Just as good of a chance as Luciana has of getting ReinIn other words, none
>>29719751There isn't a chance. We aren't getting a Sealed King, it isn't happening.
>>29719743can't'powergaming'
>>29719763>the writing is.....like drinking out of date milk this weekThe writing is what the fuck are you talking. You're drunk anon, you're not up to literary criticism at this moment.
>>29719751FAT FUCKIN LOL no powergsming for you.One spell a night and that is it.
>>29719763No, it's not.If you're serious, feel free to believe that.If you're stirring up shit, I hope you feel happy.
>>29719592What happens if the master of a Sealed King becomes an elemental themself?
>>29719751People much more capable than Reinhold searched and didn't find one.
I'd really like someone to cite it where archelon says we're never ever getting a Sealed King.
>>29719804Like Monique?
>>29719578>Can a Sealed King absorb energy from other elementals, or just human-like wielders? Or are humans just better energy conduits regardless than elementals even if the total energy potential is lower?It is possible for a Sealed King to choose another elemental spirit as its master.But it's pretty much cannibalism at that point, so it's never been done.>>29719593>so bonding with a sealed king doesn't change your element, but still lets you use their element without invocation? did i get that right archYes.
>>29719794No.The sealed sword drains the user.Thus the master can't become a elemental.>>29719804Monique manage though. Thanks to the powers of the will of the planet or Archeon
>>29719826It was a fluke
>>29719794I'd imagine that this would be unlikely to happen; things undergo a soul ascension due to a buildup of magical pressure over time, and we just learned that Sealed Kings siphon off energy from their wielders in order to increase their abilities back to full-strength.Assuming these come from the same pool of magical energy, I can't imagine you could have a great enough increase in power while also charging up your Sealed King to do so.
>>29719829>>29719807Arch can you confirm this?
>>29719834Anon, it was a fluke that you found a nuke under your bed.
>>29719829>But it's pretty much cannibalism at that point, so it's never been done.Wait sothey're EATING people.First moniqueand then they're gonna eat me
>>29719826Like the guy back at the home castle who can beat pretty much everyone in the story so far.
>>29719826I say we kill monique and give the sword to Arnaudhe wasn't involved, he becomes the master
I personally don't want a sealed king. Relying on somebody else's power is a pretty pussy way to do it.
>>29719844>Tina is preventing Reinhold from ascending.
>>29719858Nah, we go to prison for killing such a "hero"also, the gm will just say no. Just like never ever getting a sealed sword or getting powerful.
>>29719865It's ok, because if that's true, that means we're ascending THE BRACELET instead.
>>29719848If we found the sword nobody'd be fucking complaining, I guarantee that Whyis it so hard to believe that miraculous things happen?
>>297193351000 years of MS Paint.Not sure what is missing from this, but it isn't really aesthetically pleasing either. I added the ??? there because the empty space would kill me.
>>29719834Your joking me m8I didnt get what people meant by "monique is thd mc" at first but now I fuckin do lolhonestly at this point id rather play as him because it is that much more interesting
>>29719864but basically the only way to do itwe clearly advanced massively beyond Monique in terms of sword skill, but being possessed by the sword caused him to destroy us while having a hunk torn out of his thigh and a missing ribcage
>>29719886Nice.
>>29719886durrhurrThere is no actual ???, I just added there because I needed to fill in the space.
>>29719865Unless all the magic poured on her somehow was returned to Reinhold. That ought to pop his soul.
>>29719853no, they eat magic, but elementals are made of magic
>>29719885>If we found the sword nobody'd be fucking complaining, I guarantee that Yeah we would, suddenly one day we find a fucking sealed king just sticking out of the ground? People would be crying foul all over.
>>29719853Elemental spirits are made of magical energy.Sealed Kings absorb magical energy.
I spotted a bug in the anydice script for the new dice system, should have use >= instead of >http://anydice.com/program/328d
>>29719864that righta power that is not our own is not worth using
>>29719911Arnaud is lightning.Gerhard is Darkness.Nico is still technically unknown.
>>29719901We got possession form into yellow health with a regular sword, given some combat casting training, a few spells and an enchanted blade I think we could manage it.
>>29719912Thats powergaming so hurrrr never happen.> yfw this quest was meant to be about a boring guard
>>29719911Isn't the librarian guy from Granache whose name I've forgotten because he hasn't appeared in ages also Darkness?
>>29719911Shadow is Gerhard not Arnaud.Karel is Water.
>>29719917>People would be crying foul all over.LOL+++ would laugh again.
>>29719864Why? It's a tool. A sword is a tool as well.
Guys, stop whining. Sure, Reinhold losing the duel is sad. But Monique using the Sealed King was basically bringing a gun to a fist fight. Without the Sealed King, Reinhold would have wrecked Monique, but this "cheat" allowed Monique to win. But only barely, because in skill Reinhold beats Monique.So:Reinhold >>> MoniqueReinhold < Sealed KingI'm sure that there will be repercussions for Monique (either external or internal by his own concience/honor) for what he did, why don't we just wait what happens?
>>29719901Instead of drawing a power of an elemental spirit, I'd rather become one. or become a dragonor some crystal-infested half-elemental abomination
>>29719592>There are multiples for all elements.1) Earth2) Air3) Fire4) Water5) Light6) Dark7) Lightning8) Ice9) MetalDoes this mean that there are 18 sealed kings or do the last three not count as there own element? How many are accounted for?
>>29719911what are red lines for? also, metal should connect to earth and ice to water in some way to show that they're subsets, don't just stick them close togetheralso, karel is water i think, flamberge is just a fire sword
>>29719944You got it now. Go back to your epic-level campaign if you want to take over the universe.
>>29719944Would you shut the fuck up about this already?You've been literally saying the same shit over and over and over
>>29719911This is probably off, given that Monique insinuated to the Devil Child assassin he fought that Ice was one of the worst-case combat scenarios for someone with the Water element.Unless he was just saying that because of the Sealed King, but whatever.
>>29719959the problem is that in our line of work 'cheaters' are the people we will have to fight. If we can't fight a shit-tier one, what are we going to do against competent fighters with magic bullshit?
>>29719959dude, that was no fucking gun.That was a magical nuke. It like bringing a nuke to a duel of swordsmanship.It pure bullshit.
>>29719911the ??? element is nicklaus's personnal element. he called it bacon
I just hope that Reinhold acknowledges the fact that he lost to the sword, not to Monique.
>>29719944You're just kinda pathetic at this point.
>>29719964There is 20-something I believe.
>>29719964there are 26 plus one that was broken
>>29719959lets hope so
>>29719973> I can only think in extremesPGQ players, everybody.
>>29719985That shit-tier one had a magical nuke.Still, he was shit-tier compare to the world when it comes to skill for the sword or magic.
>>29719964iirc when monique did his big reveal setsuranka was named as 27th sealed king, and i don't think those numbers take mage's waifu into account, since i think she was water and arch has confirmed that the first sealed king was light
>>29719865Magic is like a muscle. Our bracelet or a sword for that matter stealing our magic would be no different than us casting a spell. If anything it's making us stronger since it's giving us a spirit workout.
>>29719958Because you're essentially letting an elemental spirit to do your fighting for you. It's no difference to contracting a demon to kill your enemies.
fucking get murdered arc
Fuck magic, we need to go full Darth Maul physical victory only winsWe will win through pure physical discipline
>>29719993>>29719972>>29719949>>29719945Fixed. Anything else?
>>29720044Which is also a tool
>>29720069and die to basic magicwe're a fighter in 3.5
>>29720079That's why we bring sylvie along to dispell magic
>>29719985Yes. But 1) Reinhold is a young boy not yet at the peak of his skills, especially with magic, and 2) there will not be many people trying to kill the princess who also have a Sealed King.This quest does not tell the story of an invincible superman. Like any hero story, it starts with somebody weak but skilled/gifted and follows his/her hard journey towards victory/level-up/... It's a very basic concept of narrative. Or how interesting do you think Harry Potter/Star Wars would have been if the first movie started with Harry/Luke at full skill/power?
>>29719959>Implying Monique has honor>Implying Monique isn't conceited enough to believe that he deserved to win>Implying Monique doesn't believe he's the better swordsmanLet's face it, Monique will just rationalize it afterwards and sees there being no difference between his own power and the power he is borrowing and will only regret his attitude after he loses his sword.
>>29720072Karel is water
>>29720072There needs to be a line to indicate an element beating another one outright instead of just being opposites, like Ice wrecking Water.
>>29720073But it is not your own strenght and proves nothing of your martial prowess.
GUYS, LISTENSERIOUSLYAbout the Sealed King....This wasn't to punish you. It was a bullshit move by Monique, the character. It was not the QM trying to fuck with you. This was Monique, who was majorly pissed at us, who knew a loophole because of his background and then exploited it. This wasn't railroading. This was just Monique being a dirty fighter. I really cannot see how you can hold this against archelon. You guys really need to separate Archelon, the QM from what the characters do. Archelon isn't Monique. And you should separate your OOC feelings from IC ones. You can feel pissed off as fuck IC, but getting mad OOC because we lost is silly. Anyone who has played campaigns with IC drama and the real possibility of failing (especially against overwhelming odds) shouldn't get upset.
>>29719959>monique>conscienceYeah, right. If he felt what he was doing was wrong he wouldn't have done it in the first place.
>>29720119>inb4 MUH DMPC autists
>>29720114Except it does. Like a sword or magic, it all depends on how you use it and to what extent. It takes just as much "mental prowess" as anything else.
>>29720092he's going to get his shit wrecked by half the castle when we get back home, i bet
>>29720072add some line to show when an element is a subtype of anotherluci's dad is lightelena's element is swordieanransoranra is sealed king of fire
>>29720119That presumes everyone in here isn't a mouthbreathing neckbeard with dysfunctional-level autism.
>>29720119I think it's more just because Arch takes time to post.We have a lot of people here, and given time to stew shit gets a little heated.
>>29719959The problem this comes down to is that there is literally NO downsides to having a sealed king. you're basically the invincible hero who wins because all the rules bend around him.That is what happened here- No magic duel?Sealed King says forget about it.Enemy's a better combatant?Sealed King says forget about it because of previous rule.You're badly hurt? Sealed King says forget about it.The fact is- you're above the law and protected by the world itself for having a sealed king. This is what archelon has shown us- and he's done nothing but build this fact up. Nothing can match up to one. I would have given less of a shit had this bee Celestino that pulled this bullshit, or the villain Count Asshole of the Kingdom of Evil.But this was our asshole rival who is now better than us in every way, except that he wasn't. Because of an unbeatable sword.Why wouldn't we want to go on a quest to get one, considering Monique found one that easily and its impossible to rematch him without one?
>>29720119Because this was Monique, a character who is basically a joke character, obtaining one of the most rare and powerful magic fantasy items in the entire world. Completely out of the blue.
All of this sword discussion has you thinking about your own-Oh.That's right.Your heart sinks as you remember that your sword, the only possession that you actually valued, broke during your duel with Monique. It might have been because you slammed it into his back when it was covered in ice, it might have simply because the blade was frozen at all... that doesn't matter.It was practically your partner for the past nine years, and the only tangible connection you had to Volker during that time.And now it's gone.>ask Agnes about your sword>ask Sylvie about your sword>ask Citrine about your sword
>>29720090All valid points. But what I was pointing out wasn't that we can't stand up to a Sealed King. It was that we don't have anything to counter someone even moderately skilled at magic. Which is liable to get Marianne killed if anybody actually tries to assassinate her. Using Star wars, it'd be like asking what happened if Han Solo had to fight the Emperor in order to try and protect Luke
>>29720092His honor is very important to Monique. He believes he is better than Reinhold and that he would have won without cheating, but now he has the feeling that the sword made it too easy and that it was not truely his victory. Yes, he probably will rationalize it (basic psychological defense mechanism), but it will gnaw a little bit.
>>29720072Setsuranka told Monique that Karel was water right after the duel.
>>29720149Which they are because we're in /tg/ and in PGQ.
Remember to do your part to combat shitposting.Report, ignore and filter trolling and baiting and help keep the quest a better place.
>>29720092> loses sworddid you miss the bit where he can't.
>>29720164>Agnesduh
>>29720164>ask Citrine about your sword
>>29720164>>ask Agnes about your swordIt's the only option.
>>29720119It's like when you play DnD and know how to roleplay.Thank you for vocalizing this so well, anon.
>>29720164>ask Agnes about your sword
>>29720164>>ask Agnes about your swordShe'd know best what can and cannot be done here, as well as where to potentially get a replacement.
>>29720164Ask gram gram if it's possible to fuck a sealed king. Since you ignored it last time when it clearly won you fucking asshole.
>>29720072King Celestino is light just like Luciana is.
>>29720164>ask Citrine about your swordshe knows us best
>>29720164>>ask Agnes about your swordsylvie was taking care of us and citrine was passed out
>>29720164awwww yisssTime for rejoicing
>>29720164Agnes
>>29720119Yes, but the thing is that people still love him despite his villainous speech and the fact that he fought as dirty as possible. It's like he brought a machinegun to a knifefight and when he was losing, he proceeded to use mustard gas and everybody loves him for it.
>>29720136>>29720149>>29720192>Yeah! Thanks person! You are so smart and well-read! Thanks samefag!
>>29720164>ask Agnes about your swordAlso decide with her on what to do with it, reforge it or bury it.
>>29720000Nah. Just stay classy. Someone had to lose ans someone had to win. No need to be bitter about it.
>>29720164>ask Agnes about your swordGrandma hugs are the best hugs.
>>29720164>ask Agnes about your sword"Gran, do you know what happened to my sword... what's left of it?"
>>29720164>Ask Agnes about your sword.And with that, this anon is done for the night, sleep beckons.Good luck everyone.Archelon, have a good rest of the night.
>>29720164Ask every/no one about our sword
>>29720197This
>>29720164>ask Agnes about your swordSword Grandma, give us your wisdom regarding this sword that we borked.
>>29720164>ask Agnes about your swordAsk the general crowd of people around us if anyone gathered the pieces, then ask Agnes about how Volker got it, if it could be reforged.Try to lighten the mood after this by joking about using multiple swords.
>>29720162And? It was a surprise. The worst you can say to archelon is that he didn't foreshadow it well enough. You could say what Monique did on the rooftops (using magic that kicked an elementalborns' ass) was a bit of foreshadowing, at least. Either way, that isn't something to have a huge shitfit over.
>>29720119Dude. Monique having a sealed king goes against everything we learned and heard of the setting.GM told us consequentially we never going to get a sealed king ever. And then Monique somehow manages to find the rarest, most powerful weapon on the entire fucking setting right after we beat him, broke his sword and punch him for being a dick.We could have been struck by lightning twice and those be better odds than Monique getting a sealed king.
>>29720164>>ask Agnes about your swordVolker got it as a present for his 20-somethingth birthday, and I can't imagine Agnes wouldn't have known at least a little about it.>ask Sylvie about your swordShe was the one who helped drag us out there; if we want to keep part of it as a memento or take it to Volker's grave or something along those lines, we'd want to ask her if she knew where it went.
>>29720119Everybody listens to this guy.>>29720162Think of him as the asshole animu rival who always come back with retarded new overpowered tricks.
>>29720090The issue here is one of perception. The way things played out, our skill with the sword appears worthless. This is the foundation of our character, how we got to this point. At almost every real fight in the story, magic has been the deciding factor. Reinhold can improve, of course, but being surrounded (and in some cases dominated by) these high-powered individuals makes it hard to see the silver lining. Like Cosgrove said, we don't see ourselves as a bodyguard, more like a pet/bought friend for the princess.
>>29720218Yeah samefag totally.
>>29720164Ask where are sword is, like we don't remember. Then watch the feels flow like a river.
>>29720197This.fucking railroading cunt I'll bite your fucking face.
>>29720244>Think of him as the asshole animu rival who always come back with retarded new overpowered tricks.OkayI'm still going to call it bullshit writing, like it is
>>29720213>everybody loves him for it.the crowd loves him for it, because they care more for a show and shit than anything else. important people want him dead.
>>29720213Separate yourself from Reinhold. Reinhold can be pissed about something that's happening in his world. Everyone sucking his dick over his "legit" win, and being pissed off as hell over it? Sure.
>>29720160we ALMOST beat him, remember?oh, and our 'teacher' had a really flawed technique.i'm sure we could kick his ass with enough training, between arnaud and grandma
>>29720253You know what we need, a pile of bandits to kill on our way home. We'd all be feeling a lot better if we got to carve a bloody swath through some bad guys.
>>29720197Voting
Christ, this is a shambles isn't it?
>>29720242Monique also has money and a job where he isn't responsible for one of the most important people in the country ~12 hours a day every day
>>29720197This is stupid. Drop it.
>>29720271The important people on our side want us dead. Celestino doesn't give a shit, and most of the crowd were nobles (read:important people)
>>29720256oh so you're just an idiot that thinks making stupid decisions = roleplayingI'll keep that in mind
>>29720181Unless it gets released. Once it's released, Monique is just a weak little boy.
>>29720218>proving our point, all thread long
>>29720197
>>29720197Fuck you just stop.
>>29720291weak little boy with a powerful elemental he can make a contract with
>>29720119>This wasn't to punish you. It was a bullshit move by Monique, the characterAnd pulling it out of no where was a bullshit move by Archelon, the writer.Everything that happened afterwards was bullshit rationalization by Archelon, the writerSurprise, he's responsible for the actions of his characters.
>>29720256Nice photshop you fucking gypsy.
Ask Agnes if it's possible to fuck a sealed king
>>29720296Wrong picture.
>>29720276Except Sir Gregory would just open the carriage door and disintegrate them all with a snap of his fingers.
>>29720313Do this
>>29720124"I am Monique Gilbeault, a man of style and grace. ... I am the most accomplished of my father's children.The only one of us to have truly inherited the skills of my great grandfather, the reknowned duelist Marquise Gilbeault, I have managed to achieve the rank of Captain of the Border Guard of my home country of Granache THROUGH NAUGHT SAVE MY OWN ABILITIES."
>>29720290no i believe separating PC from Player and DM from NPC are the signs of someone who can properly play Pen and Paper RPGs.
>>29720308See:>>29720244>>29720241
>>29720289>The important people on our side want us deadwho? even the nobles of marconetti don't want us dead, even if they are drooling over monique. meanwhile a member of royalty from monique's home nation had to be physically restrained from killing him
>>29720313>>29720197These
>>29720276no. That'll just solidify our role as Worf. Killing mooks with no effort only to be curbstomped to prove how awesome something new is
>>29720313>>29720328>>29720341Fuck you, stop.
>>29720319>>29720256Oh so you're just part of the archelon defense forceEverything about Monique getting a sealed king goes against what we know about the setting, so saying "dude, it's just monique being a dick" doesn't change the fact that "dick" is now among the most powerful character in the setting.So screw you, screw your fallacies, and please take the time to understand why you are wrong
>>29720348stop responding to him, please.
>>29720339>>29720289sorry should have read want *him dead. pardon my autism
>>29720274What I'm saying is that it's inconsistent or Marconetti is just a shithole country filled with assholes. I mean, I get it that the nobility would be on his side, but the common folk not rooting for the underdog? That's kinda weird.
It's all because SOMEBODY had to brag about PGQ in the QTG, and now the other quest fans are raiding.
>>29720330>not knowing that just shit to make himself feel better>believing that he still thinks like that after the sealed king bullshit.Anon. He a noble. he does shit to make himself feel important.
>>29720348We'd stop if Arch asked the question the first time.But seeing as how he wants to be railroading bitch. Just have to vote again.
>>29720253Then the obvious solution becomes getting better at magic since this is probably expected to be a job Rein'll hold for at least a decade he's got time to get better.
>>29720348Are you fuckin gay m8
>>29720119>hay guiz, that real person didn't do anything! the imaginary one did!
>>29720330he did get the job and nearly win a tourney before getting the sealed king. he's no slouch, it's just that he is a sword mage while rein is pure sword, and in a sword only tournament rein's going to win
>>29720358>Goes against what we know about the settingNo, it doesn't.It's just unlikely.But guess what, shit happens.
>>29720337>See: two fucking posts that acknowledge that it's hack writing and completely backstabs the setting as we know itNice work: Proving me write and all. This just took a shit on the setting if sealed kings apparently grow on trees. If monique is an asshole rival that can just pull powerups out of his ass then I don't even know why we fucking bother. We signed up for princess guard quest not DBZ quest and trying to change it now is disingenuous
>>29720358Okay, brah. You sure made me change my mind with those hot opinions of yours.
>>29720358>in the settingNah, he got his ass kicked by us. Had it been Greg or Thierri he'd have been royally fucked.Also, it makes sense for him to find the sword, he went on a journey specifically to find some way to beat Rein and got lucky.
>>29720358>Everything about Monique getting a sealed king goes against what we know about the settingMind actually detailing in which way it does so? By which I mean cite exactly where the established facts of the setting are contradicted by this fact.
>>29720358>Oh so you're just part of the archelon defense forceHow is this not fallacious in an argument?>>29720365Skewed perceptions? Maybe in Marconetti, they have Nasu-style perceptions of heroic. Where being heroic means being cheesily overpowered. You can hold that against people IC.
>>29720358>goes against the settingHuh? No it doesn't. Do you even know what that phrase means?
>>29720386unlikely is Monique getting stronger than us when we were both doing similar training arcshe found an ancient artifact that the greatest people of a hundred generations were looking for by climbing a mountain
>>29720391How does captain bumblefuck mcfaggotass find a fucking sealed king though? The kings couldn't find them.
>>29720308I'm sure you think that the ending of sixth sense was bad writing to. Arch knew from the minute he introduced Monique that he was packing a sealed king. It was part of the plan. Just because you didn't see it coming doesn't mean it's an ass pull.
>>29720386>It's just unlikely.It's fucking plot bullshit, it's "a wizard did it" levels of plot convenience He's a DMPC meant to forward the plot, nothing more. That's why he shows up out of no where with a sword of destruction. Because his role in the story right now is to move the plot along. And surprise, people don't like it one bit.>>29720390>This is shitty writing and an insult to the playerbase >opinion>>29720391Our ruptured organs don't show it. He could have kept fighting forever if the sword let him
I like how all of the people bitching have such terrible spelling.
>>29720365Going into the Tourney, Monique was the underdog, he'd lost the last fight against Rein and Rein was now a Royal bodyguard.He's also a prettyboy and does a good job impressing the plebs.During the fight he revealed himself to have one of the strongest swords in the world as well, and still made the fight an insane spectacle for the plebs, how could they not love him?
>>29720389>one person has a sealed king>THEY GROW ON TREESBlowing things out of proportion much?
>>29720389You're mad as hell over a quest, and the best thing you could do to respond was the classic greentext strawman. Go outside, take a relaxing walk.
>>29720419>Arch knew from the minute he introduced Monique that he was packing a sealed king. It was part of the plan. Just because you didn't see it coming doesn't mean it's an ass pull.It IS an ass pull. >duh, arch planned this ass pull from teh beginning so it's not an ass pullIt's still a fucking ass pull to just hand one of these characters the best sword ever made. Archelon defense force, will you ever learn?
>>29720409>>29720420Pretty much.
Seriously Archelon. Just stop. For your own health.You don't have to put up with this.
>>29720430because he made a faggy-ass speech about how he found said amazing sword to break our non-magic one and humiliate us?
>>29720442If there had been some kind of foreshadowing, it'd be forgivable. Something like, "Rumor has it Monique got something amazing!" instead of this thing from out of left god damn field.
>>29720409There are 28 of these, it's not the only fucking one.>>29720420Except for the whole foreshadowed training leave where he started hearing voices.Maybe it wasn't the biggest sign, but he obviously stepped out of the way to get it, and it was noted long before the duel itself.No, you don't like it.You and a few other people have been shitting this thread up since the beginning, just let it go.
>>29720419Arch giving this guy a sword is still shit writing of the highest caliber if he hyped up these swords to be rarer than god. Now he's being played off as a super-powerful PC with a psychic bond to his sword. Frankly it's shit.
That's it, I'm done for the night. All the shitposting has completely drained any desire I had to keep on writing.
>>29720420Err, the description was pretty implicit that he was going to die at any moment if he kept going.So...no? Maybe if you wiped the tears of infinite sadness from your eyes you'd be able to read?
>>29720454You mean like how he got amazing at Ice magic?
>>29720445Why are you assuming he doesn't enjoy this?He runs a thread five or six or seven days a week, and if god let him I bet he'd run a thread on the eighth too.He's a junkie, PGQ is his heroin. Daddy needs his medicine.
Thanks, QTG!
I'd truly be fine with losing the match if Monique hadn't been such a goddamn asshole about it.
>>29720449Playing to the crowd at the same time, what makes you think that a crowd would dislike that?It's like you've never been to a sporting match in your life man.
>>29720460Oh COME ON.
You all faggots post so much bullshit.JUST FUCKING PLAY THE GAME AND STOP DISCUSSING THINGS ALL THE FUCKING TIME ENDLESSLY>>29720460See you man, don't lose hope
>>29720460Holy shit nigga. just close your eyes nigga like seriously
>>29720460i'm split between "rest well and come back stronger tomorrow" and "don't let these idiots win, report and ignore"
>>29720460I honestly can't blame you for that.You've accumulated a giant pile of assholes following you around. Who are sad that someone else got a shiny thing that they can't have. And they'll probably keep on bitching until the sun burns out because they have nothing better to do.
Rolled 28>>29720460hahaha victory
Hurrr dun like surprises XDDDLook I can shitpost too!
>>29720445>>29720471>>29720460 ...although I've been wrong before.
>>29720461>Err, the description was pretty implicit that he was going to die at any moment if he kept going.no, he would die at any minute if the sword stopped protecting him, read it againIt's still an amazingly hacky plot convenience and I have no respect for people who think this is genius writing to just hand out powerups like this. Especially if it's a powerup that trumps every fucking powerup in the setting.We KNOW we're not getting to his level anymore, so why even bother improving ourselves? Frankly Monique has won this quest.
>>29720460
>>29720460It's cool, Arch. Pretty much understandable considering the massive amounts of faggotry being put forth by the idiots who are butthurt over nothing.
Monique is best character, beats Reinhold in a fight, gets pussy, and makes players mad jelly.
>>29720454there was foreshadowing. Kubo-level foreshadowing basically insinuating Monique was talking to more than voices in his head, but foreshadowing. That foreshadowing, however, didn't link in any way to one of twenty something weapons powerful enough to threaten armies. Hell, arch countermanned any foreshadowing by telling us that it was impossible for someone of our caliber to get our hands on a Sealed King.
>>29720460Wow guys way to be assholes.Sorry you feel that way arch.
And now I see why people hate quests.
>>29720460Take a month break and learn how to write, you fucking hack.
>>29720460See... see you next thread.
This thread tho
>>29720358implying some kind of white knighting followed by a claim which has nothing to do with either quoted post, then complaining about fallacies, followed directly by telling them that they are wrong without a contradiction to either post...I don't know what you are attempting to do here, but its neither arguing nor is it making any coherent sense.>>29720460I can't blame you, just dont give up. You've created something interesting with people who enjoy it.
>>29720430Monique wasn't the underdog, because of his noble status. His noble status means that he CONSTANTLY needs show off his strenght and martial prowess, more so because his house is that of duelists. He failed to meet that obligation and he fought dirty against an opponent that was superior to him in every single way and used his noble status to bend rules in his favour.
>>29720508He's trying to write like a VN.
>>29720460take a few days off to let things calm and do stuff for yourself and let me get my sleep schedule right, thanks anyway, and your work is apreciated
>>29720517Probably won't be one.
>>29720460Take care Arch, just take it in stride.
>>29720119I get what you're sayingbuy this feels a lot like the ending to mass effect 3It isn't just that we lostit's that we lost against semi - blatant rule breaking. And as far as we've seen, there was no comeuppance in regards to said unsportsmanlike conduct. Granted this is someone else's story; wet can read or fuck offBut we've been invested over 100 threadsIt's kind of like being given candy only to find sit inside. Straight losing to the sword would've been more acceptable to the common Anon.it was a nuke after all. Instead we learned we HAD won but he was holding himself together using "non-attack " magicReinhold himself will likely not fight it. The injustice and dishonor in such bull is pissing many off.If that's the intention, arch should clarify it. Otherwise t comes of as him just justifying that this is okay.
>>29720508agree this whole quest is a huge shit post and an eyesore
>>29720442Here is a picture of a door if you do not like this quest there are others on 4chan that I will gladly recommend. No one is making you stay.
>>29720460Sorry Arch, if we had the power to reach through the internet and strangle these people we would.They'll get bored eventually, don't lose hope.
>>29720386he found a sealed king 4-5 weeks after we punched him in the face.
>>29720460But, you said you were writing.
>>29720430You're not the underdog when you're nobleborn from house of duelists and are carrying one of the most powerful weapons in existence against a nameless peon with a sharpened piece of metal.
>>29720482>>29720487>>29720508I'm done with you people.The fact that you sit around here and do nothing but try to derail shit is sad.Go on and act like you did something by being putrid cunts
>>29720460Completely understandable. The morons seems to be out in force tonight.
>>29720460Just write the VN.I think the biggest problem with your quest is that it doesn't actually fit the quest format.I want to keep playing it, but not here and with /tg/. I'd suggest taking some time off at least.
>>29720508Shut up you stupid troll.If you dislike the quest leave it, and go back to you miserable excuse for a life.Waste of fucking oxygen, I bet you're one of those full-on autistic basement dwelling neckbeards.>>29720487Get the fuck out.You'll never win, bitch, from now on all you'll manage is to be ignored.Die choking on a horse cock.
>>29720532and nothing of value was lost
>>29720460Take some fucking writing classes, homo.>>29720527Clearly he has a long way to go
>>29720532What a fucking relief
>>29720460Oh wow.Archelon, there will always be a vocal few who shit on things. That is endemic to anonymous boards.You cannot pay angry shitposts heed, because they are angry and they are shitposts. Reasoned and thought out comments like Cosgroves in your guys' irc chat is one thing, its constructive and lets you examine reactions from a fresh perspective.But if you pay any fucking heed to someone who blatantly shitposts like this, you're damning yourself. Don't.
>>29720460This quest is going to go just like that Harry Potter quest. The QM does something stupid and a few neckbeards end up jeering him until he broke.
Okay, seriously Arch, I'm not mad at you. I never was I'm mad at the twist you made, and not writing isn't going to help it because we just dwell on it more. Sorry you can't take criticism well.
>>29720559I sincerely hope you're not sincere.
>>29720562>writing classesYour butthurt is showing, his quest's quality is great when compared to the average quest of /tg/.
>>29720532Thank God, one less cancerous tumor plaguing /tg/ will be gone.
>>29720572he ain't been given criticism.Criticism is constructive and offers advice on how to improve.What he got is a bunch of faggots yelling incoherently.
>>29720508>>29720562Fucking samefag
>>29720536I thought it was abundantly obvious because he was so gracious in defeat (to the point of redundancy) and that this duel literally counts for nothing but personal honor.
>>29720579Stop Anon, please. You're killing me
>>29720572>Anything that's been said in this thread being anything close to resembling criticism.no, criticism focuses on actual points and issues with writing.whatever, the only thing that's been thrown at Arch in this thread is blatant insults.
Seriously, why can't they hit AoPH and just leave PGQ alone? What'd Arche do to them?
>>29720493The sword was implicitly implying he "couldn't keep this up". Read it again. If it could keep him together for ever, this would never become a problem. THe sword's espoused worry signifies this isn't the case.In other words, learn to draw conclusions.
>>29720460See you around arch. Sorry for the fuckwits harshing your mellow, the people who don't just hateread will be here when you come back
Arch, why are you melting down? We're discussing something in your own settingWe discuss it not because we're 'shitposting' or because we hate you, we're doing it because we care about this setting and going and giving monique that sword hurt that setting for us. We're hurt because we care about it, Arch. We're hurt because we want to have fun with this setting, not degrade your enjoyment of it.
>>29720583>dislikes quests>wants them off /tg/Go back to your 40k threads, faggot.
Can we all agree to not respond to the shitposters next time? This thread wouldn't have been nearly as bad had people ignored them.
>>29720583>>29720563>>29720560Why do we have to act like kindergartners?
>>29720563>>29720562>>29720560>>29720508>>29720487Pretty sure it's all the same dumb ass.
>>29720594>>29720603There's been MORE THAN ENOUGH criticism in this thread. In last threadand the thread before that. Like the dice system, like not giving nique the sword, etc. etc. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not criticism. You should pay more attention to criticism you don't like.
>>29720572The bulk of the "criticism" in this thread is better labeled as "shitposting and thinly-veiled insults", and frankly the guy is under no obligation to listen to anons calling him a homo or whatever else.I too was a bit angry at the twist, but come on now.
Good luck, Arch sorry to have this degenerate
>>29720614Look at the amount of trolls directly insulting him and telling him to quit, or just admitting they want to derail it.Realize, your concerns may be real, but others are just trolling
>>29720594Cosgrove gave him some of the best wisdom I've ever seen.and he brushed it off saying it was our fault.
>>29720621it's not us. Its the people here specifically to shit post.
>>29720603all the fag deserves
>>29720621they're all exactly a minute apart. Its probably all one guy acting like a kindergardener
>>29720460basically I advise you to do what this anons said>>29720530>>29720539rest well achelon and remember:'even now there's still hope for man'
>>29720614He said something pretty awful happened to him in real life last thread, the shitposting isn't the sole reason for htis.
>>29720558I honestly think he just should do the VN and forget the quest.
>>29720411LUCK, because thats the only way TO find one. Theyve been around for millenia and people STILL dont know where the majority are, Which implies that, you know if all it took was money or manpower, theyd all be found already.We got unlucky that he decided to pull it on us, get over it.
>>29720620It's a shame, because there are some legitimate questions here getting tarred with the same brush.
>>29720572Do you even know what criticism is you moron.
>>29720636>One guy able to make arch stop the thread like a sad childThat's even MORE pathetic.
>>29720632is cosgrove in this thread? No.>>29720627There has been no criticism in this thread, only people yelling "its bad", insulting arch personally, and not being constructive in the slightest.
>>29720568It's not even his mistakeIt's 2-3 posters that are probably the same guys who go around and spam downvotes in the archives.
>>29720640I think he should keep the quest.It's stupid to kneel before the trolls, just keep doing his thing, maybe accept some real criticism, but neverneverin any circumstance, give up to the trolls
The amount of samefagging is astonishing.I can't believe anyone would fall for this.
>>29720642Even if you manage to find one, how the hell does a person with such a shitty personality like a Monique manage to get one? The sword must have been INCREDIBLY desperate.
>>29720642or just GM Fiat.Cause it wasn't luck. Unless Arch actually rolled for it in some million/billion dice roll and Monique somehow manage to roll a crit sucess.
>>29720568The one with Harry becoming the apprentice of Kerrytugu? If it was - that was a shit quest anyway. You should not mix those two series together, it doesn't make sense.
>>29720642RIDICULOUS luck for him to find it, for no one else to notice, for no one else to want to take it from him- look, there's a lot to swallow is all.
>>29720460You've got good players here too Arch, don't let retards get the better of you.
>800+ postsSo this was why I never found these at the bottom of the catalog. You guys made an IRC out of every one.
>>29720594This isn't criticism.This has been an entire thread of the same repeated arguments that have been refuted, and then people just insulting Arch.
>>29720660http://pastebin.com/kHuk5TZy
>>29720660Lol dude ctrl f for pastebin, idiot.
>>29720675It was another quest. The QM fucked up a lot with a couple of twists and /qtg/ trolled him relentlessly over it, to the point where he got so mad he just dropped the quest.
>>29720661Very likely, most threads have around 4 down votes.Honestly, these trolls are just sad, I pity them and anyone who has to deal with them in real life.
Can you fucking autists not responds to obvious trolls next time?
>>29720686Its 2 or 3 people samefagging.Literally. Its so fucking obvious its blowing my mind that people don't realize it.I'm losing faith here.
>>29720663Giving up would be trashing the whole thing. I honestly don't see how the trolls have won if he gets to keep doing his own thing without them to shit on him for it.
>>29720642It's not the fact that he found the sword, it's the fact that this sword for some reason decided to conviniently contract with this guy despite the fact that he's got absolutely zero qualifications to.
>>29720660>There has been no criticism in this threadYou mean except the discussions about the sword, about the dice, about the judges thinking it's all OK?Say it with me>just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not criticismI'm sorry arch got mad, that wasn't the reaction I intended, I wanted him to realize how poorly he executed this particular event so he doesn't do it again. People coming and defending him are just making it worse because it's painting him as the victim of the mean internet bullies.And that's the last thing you want to do to someone who writes to improve himself: surround him with yes-men who refuse to criticize him and worships the ground he walks on.Which if you can't tell: there's a lot of people like that in this thread.My apologies to arch if he took it the wrong way or if it hurt his ego
>>29720597Dudewe're on a board of autistsit needs to be spelled out/clarified for some people. The main issue is a lot of us have had "that Dm" before. And so if he wanted us to feel injustice, he may have to let us know it's purposeful. Being at a table together where you can see the body language and online makes it hard for some to tell. I'm just trying to get in their shoes to make it more obvious what some people are angry about.I'm making sense right?
>>29720690And guess what, Arch read and responded to it you fuckwit.It's not even particularly good criticism, even if it's well meant.
>>29720690You mean something that Cosgrove sent to Arch outside the thread that just happened to be linked into it by some anon? Why the fuck do you think Arch should be responding to it in this thread when he's already talking to cosgrove on the IRC?
>>29720709>>29720703Let's make an effort next time.Let's try not to respond to them, let's try to keep the thread clean, let's minimize the discussions.Please?
>>29720690You do know that was posted on the IRC, Arche read it there, and responded to it there.
some one start a QTG, godamn you guys are awesome!
>>29720709I know that, but it's a persistent fucking 3 people.
>>29720675No. The MC was a chick that was afraid of water. It had a good cast of characters and the author wasn't too bad. Just tripped up on following a coherent plot. He got so fed up with the faggotry that he cussed someone out. That event pretty much made the quest collapse.
>>29720724>>29720719>RespondingJust letting you guys know that you need to stop doing that.
>>29720703most people didn't, the trolls responds to their own posts.
>>29720738Right, the chick with the malfunctioning eidetic memory.
>>29720719>>29720724Not that guy but what was Arch's response, I'm kind of interested
>>29720701>The QM fucked up a lot with a couple of twists and /qtg/ trolled him relentlessly over it, to the point where he got so mad he just dropped the quest.And this is a painful remind that authors should ignore /gtg/.
>>29720729It's disappointing that archelon fell for it too.This is pretty much the most painfully poorly executed troll attack I've ever seen, and it worked.
>>29720690>http://pastebin.com/kHuk5TZyWisdom
>>29720749I think he did? I skipped a lot of the non-story posts, but from what I very vaguely remember it all happened in a thread for the quest, not /qtg/.
>>29720628its not the twist of look your dick opponent has a uber hax weapon.its his constant pushing from the start of romance bullshit add to that the boring choices we get of study, guard, train and make googly eyes at some tits we never do anything of note. up to now the only exciting thing we have done was off screen before the quest.it made a great and intrusting setting but we seam like a god dam chair and not an actual person, for fucks sake i would enjoy him posting this as a story and not ask for what to do or rolls it would be done by now.
>>29720744Yeah, should have mentioned that. The main problem is the actual players responding to them.
>>29720753Remember, he has some personal stuff of his own going on, apparently. So this probably just didn't help.
>>29720745That's the fucking one! Too bad we've never used that trait to our advantage. I had fun following it nonetheless.
>>29720753Constant spam and shitposting will do that.If you want to help, just keep reporting it and hiding it.
>>29720701>>29720738Sounds weird.
>>29720715The criticism is bad.The dice were implemented beforehand, and it was possible to win that duel, even if the odds were against us.The sword itself was foreshadowed lightly, way before any of this, and people want to call it an asspull just because it's something miraculous.The judge there obviously was feeding and feeding off the crowd, as was repeated in Arch's actual dialogue within the post. He was going by what they wanted to see, and that's readily obvious.Yeah, reinhold got the short end of the stick.But that's part of the narrative.And this duel was on personal honor, nothing more.
>>29720781It was a pretty good quest, outside of that. I wish he'd just ignored them and continued with it.
>>29720753Didn't he receive some real bad news in real life too?
>>29720757Wow... spot on.
>>29720787It's archived, yeah? I'll look for it.
>>29718101Said it two hours ago, again after they succeeded I am once more going to point it out.
>>29720789If he wasn't feeling up for writing, he could have said so.
>>29720774Thats fine, but I will be frank:If archelon lets this kill the quest because a few faggots decided to go balls deep in trolling, I won't be able to respect him anymore.So I'm saying, please, PLEASE, figure it out dude.
>>29720715>I wanted him to realize how poorly he executed this particular event so he doesn't do it again.'Cept plenty of us didn't think it was poorly executed at all. In other words, you want him to change his outlook to suit your personal whims and cater to your specific wants.
>>29720796Yeah. It's archived. Have fun if you intend reading up on it.
>>29720767Yeah, Arch his this great setting, but we can't actually DO anything in it because we're glued to Marianne's ass and surrounded by people who could flatten us with their pinky finger..I want to go and explore this shit, not sit around and act awkwardly whenever someone acts remotely interested in us romantically.
>>29720801He was writing to get away from it. And instead got more shit.
>>29720801Maybe writing could've made him feel better...if it wasn't for the trolls and shitposts
>>29720784>The criticism is bad.It's still criticism if you don't like it. Monique got a god sword that we were told we were never getting. Of course people got upset. The Dice shouldn't have been implemented at all, it was a poorly thought out maneuver by both sides. But arch should have realized that by making crit fails unlikely, he also blocked players from legitimately winning the match. Which players were disappointed withIt wasn't just how we got screwed over in-setting, it was how the setting itself is suddenly thrown into turmoil because of this revelation. I'm not doing this because I hate arch or the quest, I'm doing this because this seems like this entire event could have gone the same way and left with us feeling good about it with a few touch-ups on the writing.>>29720808>plenty of usConsidering the thread melted down, probably not enough
>>29720632see>>29719271he thanked him, just not in thread
>>29720767That is pretty much what the quest was presented as from the start, yes - and it's been that way for over a hundred threads now. Why, if I didn't know any better I'd say that the slice-of-life setting in Granache was the main selling point of the quest!
>>29720823Samefaggotry is a terrible shame.
>>29720801He wanted to write because it's what he does to relax. He stopped writing because it stopped being relaxing.
>>29720804> mfw victory, killed pgq for the night> mfw participating in favorite quest at the same time
>>29720833Who's samefagging? Ever consider that more than one person is upset at how this whole duel went?Calling everyone who doesn't 100% agree with you 'trolls' is hurting the thread worse because you're making the other side, the people who felt disappointed with this encounter, feel like their opinions don't count. Like the don't get to feel bad about the quest because there's enough people in the thread shitting on it just as hard as the so-called 'trolls' are. And you're just making it worse, if you just let people voice their opinions without trying to shut them down if they didn't match your own, none of this would happen
>>29720853What's your favourite quest?
>>29720737While I want to see archelon continue, let's not kid ourselves and pretend that there could never be more than 3-4 people who were upset by all this.
>>29720867I bet it's AoPH.
>>29720460The more you respond to them, the more they will keep on doing this. Just ignore them, and eventually the ones who don't like the quest ( all of the shitposters) will leave.Goodnight, arch. Rest well
>>29720867Anon, either he not going to tell you or he going to lie so that you go after another quest.he likely a quest hater.
>>29720801you create something, like a story or painting or anything creative to escape reality for a while.Arch uses writing, and a bunch of assholes came in and took that from him because they felt it their divine right to burn anything that displeases them to the ground.
>>29720870Pretty much this, I feel disappointedBUTI still care about the quest, I care about how much arch enjoys the quest, and I know in a month, none of this is going to matter. So let's be calm, wait until next thread, and apologize to arch for derailing it with our >opinions
>>29720862The problem isn't the legit opinions, the issue arethe ones insulting arch and making fake criticism just to piss him, derail the thread and kill pgq.
>>29720872Nopeguess again
>>29720814>explore this shitYeah, if we were allowed to adventure and shit, preferably alone or at least without permanent hanger ons - it would have been great. Instead we're stuck in a boring castle, sent to a country full of cunts and get stomped by some guy with a god sword when we have sword skills and a few spells. I understand that the title is Princess Guard, but it quests aren't static (shouldn't be, anyway).
>>29720826I wish we'd stayed there. ;_;
>>29720893And the people who are responding with "STFU THERE IS NO VALID CRITICISM YOU'RE ALL SHITPOSTING TROLLS" aren't making it any better.In fact, if you read the thread, there are FAR more people trying to shut down legitimate posts then there are trolls calling arch a faggot. Maybe if you chilled the fuck out when someone disagreed with you, this thread may still be running.
>>29720853Seriously, I just want archelon to read this archive and see this post.This is what you let get to you? You're better than that.>>29720862Someone who is simply disappointed doesn't spam insults for 30 straight minutes while making up points that don't actually exist. I've seen so many fallacies and ad hominems today of similarly infantile wording that the thought that its a bunch of people who legitimately like the quest and want it to improve is not only laughable, but to suggest it is to insult everyones collective capacity for judgement.That is a telltale sign of a shitposter. That and the 1 minute division between a large number of near identical shitposts.tl;dr be less obvious.
>>29720893You are responding to a cleverly disguised one
>>29720899Such is the life of a guard.If you'd like to go adventuring convince Marianne that touring nearby nations to improve diplomatic relations would help lower the tension in the region and improve the standing of her own people, family and crown.
>>29720899this is actually a bit of an issue I have with the Quest. We've been stuck in the status quo for a hundred plus quests, and then get told how awesome things are elsewhere. We need to take our waifus and make an adventuring party
Come on guys. Life is unfair sometimes, a lot of the times in fact. And oftentimes that unfairness is gonna kick in you the head. Arch's life is pretty unfair to him, with all the sickness, medicine, and migraines. But you gotta push through, no matter how much crap is in the way. I'm a college level debater and every tournament I go to, no matter how good my arguments are, some asshole literally screams 200+ words a minute and shits all over me with crap arguments I just don't have enough time to respond to. But I haven't given up, and Arch doesn't stop writing through all his illnesses, and, hell, Reinhold won't give up either because we all love what we're doing. But you can't go through life alone. I've got an awesome team, Reinhold has his girls, but all Archelon has is us faggots. I guess what I'm trying to say is please don't be a dick, and that we're all in this together: powergamer, roleplayer, haremfag, and yes, even the waifu-ers. Sorry for the spiel.
>>29720907Maybe because we all realize that the non-stop bitching, regardless of legitimacy, was only going to increase the trolling and the faggotry. And 'lo and behold, it did, and this was the result.A more rational person would've just let it the fuck go.
>>29720929>Someone who is simply disappointed doesn't spam insults for 30 straight minutes while making up points that don't actually exist. I've seen so many fallacies and ad hominems today of similarly infantile wording that the thought that its a bunch of people who legitimately like the quest and want it to improve is not only laughable, but to suggest it is to insult everyones collective capacity for judgement.There you fucking go again>well you're just a shitposter your opinions mean nothingGod, it's not like your counter-shitposting is just as much to blame for shutting down the thread than the people throwing mean words at archelon. Ever wonder that maybe if you accepted that someone didn't like that encounter the same way you did, people wouldn't get so fucking hostile?
What should be done to return to a better quality:>don't respond to obvious trolls>keep the discussion about things that happened three threads ago to a minimum and learn to move on>post as little as possible on /qtg/, it attracts people who only want to shit on the quest>stop it with the "archelon defense force" and "butthurt powergamers"
Ugh, enough. I'll see if Arche is more amenable next thread.
>>29720907maybe if people didn't present their valid criticism like a pompous ass holes.
>>29720966Agreed.
>>29720964So according to you spamming insults for thirty straight minutes is NOT shitposting? Interesting. And how is President Duck over in Opposite Land today?
>>29720960Right, so because it's not popular, we should bury our negative feelings and just put on a happy smile.Wait no, that's not what we should do, because if something is bothering a chunk of the players, they should be allowed to voice what is wrong. >>29720973Say it with me again>Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not valid criticismAnd >Just because I don't like it doesn't make the poster a pompous asshole
>>29720948>take our waifusThis is 40% of the shit making the quest terrible.
>>29720966I will agree to this and follow these terms.
>>29720948>then get told how awesome things are elsewhereYeah, like the Fire Elemental Dojo. I would love to check that shit out, but we can't because lol gotta guard a princess.
>>29720966I think making sure a QTG is up to ward away trolls would be a good policy as well. We can usually count on EGO or Boo or Humility to draw their ire before hitting our quest thread.
Since this thread's been fucked already, I'm going to try and do something stupid. Let's all try and have a calm civilized conversation about which romance to pursue, WHY, and how to go about it. We all know the waifu-war will have to end sometime soon, we should have some kind of gameplan for it
>>29720986>So according to you spamming insults for thirty straight minutes is NOT shitposting?So according to you, people complaining about the quests were just 'insulting' archInteresting, do you always equate people's work with actual people? I'm pretty sure we both read the same thread and I saw plenty of people discussing what arch did wrong, and how to fix it.
>>29720964No. Your insinuation that ad hominems and the spamming thereof is acceptable behavior is similarly ridiculous.Interesting note: Opinions without qualification of merit ARE functionally meaningless. You can base your opinion on false grounds, or on nothing more than the fact that something tickles you the wrong way. You're still retarded for holding them.Grow the fuck up.
>>29721003Pff, The princess is the only path.Destiny, Railroad, it all the same to me.
>>29720959>some asshole literally screams 200+ words a minute and shits all over me with crap arguments I just don't have enough time to respond toI didn't know you were debating with American senators.You're right though and the different communities within the fanbase of the quest need to learn to work together instead of just fighting each other.
>>29720960>don't criticize because it might cause some asspainFuck off
>>29721003None of them because it's:A. The only option with a bunch of divisive fanbase with a ton of shitty, spiteful users that will never come to an agreement.B. Romance sucks in media.
>>29721003no women only sword
>>29720991You're fucking retarded criticism should have waited for the end of the thread.
>>29721015No, according to him people who were literally JUST insulting arch were 'insulting arch'.Were you born this slow? Or is it something that happened later in life?
>>29720991>Right, so because it's not popular, we should bury our negative feelings and just put on a happy smile.>Wait no, that's not what we should do, because if something is bothering a chunk of the players, they should be allowed to voice what is wrong. Quests aren't a democracy. If you don't like something, then there's a simple solution: Drop out. Instead, you guys opted for shitting up the thread to the point of driving the QM away.In other words, your approach is essentially that of ruining the experience for everyone involved, just because YOU weren't happy. Which is the pretty much the epitome of a kindergartner's mentality.
>>29721020>No. Your insinuation that ad hominems and the spamming thereof is acceptable behavior is similarly ridiculous.Your insinuation that people who have complaints with the direction this encounter went are just 'spamming' or need to 'grow the fuck up' is the REASON we have 30 minute bouts of people just tossing insults back and fourthMaybe if you accepted that you're acting like an asshole to people who just want to discuss their problems with the quest, you could have kept some of those trolls from doing what they did. I don't agree with what they did, but the entire thread is of people prodding them by telling them in a similar manner to just deal with it or gtfo. And fucking surprise, they didn't deal with it or gtfo.
>>29721024American senators just scream on camara and then make back door deals and lobbying for money.Also, If Side A want A and Side B want B but you can't have A or B, then they will fight.Working together is one thing but if A or B is on the line, they will fight each other until one wins or the ones they hate the most don't win.
>>29721015No, I saw a bunch of pompous posts about people who thought they could run the thread better than the QM, but couldn't get off their asses to make their own thread if they wanted it run that way. Followed by concocted fallacies and intermingled with shitposting insults.
>>29721003Marianne:>biggest compatibility>he's the only human being capable of helping her fix herself/regain self esteem/learn to respect others right now>she cares deeply about him and actually enjoys his company (though she's tsun about it)Also, when she screamed his name, for the first time...awesome
>>29720767Too true. At the start it was a nice quest and Rein was at least marginally interesting. Now, fuck, I hate Rein. It`s more interesting to watch the grass grow than to roleplay him. And then, when he finally gets the chance to do something exciting... Yeah, this happens....
>>29721003None.-It will divide people even more-I doubt any romance in this quest would be good anyway, it rarely is in quests
>>29721003LucianaMariane's the job, Sylvie bores me, Nico's a bro, Melanie's wanted by Nico, Reya's a complete mystery, and Tina can't talkHow? we start with a suggeston from /qtg/ of all places. Tell her about our past. Not because muh trauma, because she has no idea where we came from and that might change her opinion of us. If she still wants to be with us, proceed with dating
>>29721003I like them all equally but I hope we end up with Sylvie. Nit because I like Sylvie but because the anti-Sylvie group is one of the most annoying parts of the fan-base.
>>29721024>debating with american senatorsYou made me laugh, it really does fit.
>>29721058>Quests aren't a democracy. If you don't like something, then there's a simple solution: Drop out. Instead, you guys opted for shitting up the thread to the point of driving the QM away.This is why people are calling you the archelon defense force.Quests are on-demand. If the playerbase is trying to voice something that disturbs them, ignoring them or calling them retards is the worst thing you can do.Then you went and did it, you went and called that margin of players who had problems with the quest to just get the fuck out. And now you're acting all hurt that they complained and threw a shitfit. I wasn't even calling arch names, I just realize that you fucked up royally by doing that.
>>29721003Personally, I prefer Marianne
>>29721087You forgot the part where she's the only human being capable of fixing his fuck ups too since she's the only one that just doesn't brush off his flaws with blind love.
>>29721003Not gonna happen. Muh Trauma is a powerful thing.
>>29721067Again, no. You can paint my targets and pretend that was who I was talking about all you want, it doesn't make you correct.If someone had a valid criticism, I'm fine with that. Their post was meaningful.But for every post that calmly stated they didn't agree with something and why, there were a few faggots who posted nothing, literally NOTHING more than personal attacks AND/OR false scenarios that had already been either explained, refuted, or pointed out to be wrongly interpreted, to which they screamed attacks louder and more childishly.Your defense of such is what I take exception to, as well as your constant strawmanning.
>>29721067Essentially this. Telling people to leave the quest never works, deal with it. Telling legitimate posters to fuck off doesn't spread much good will either.
>>29721003Luciana.We just need to talk to her more and spend more time with her, because time is pretty scarce since we're going to be going back to Granache and won't see her until she either comes over or we go back.
>>29721102>anti sylvieYou do realize that all the other groups just unite against whichever girl makes a move right? Sylvie just happens to have made a few, and had the lack of luck to have quite many of the other factions around while it happened.I myself prefer Marianne, but I try not to ruin other people's ideal routes
>>29721003I don't really have strong feelings one way or the other anymore, I don't really think any girl is better for Rein than any other, or any of them stand out as people he would like in particular.Heck, I'm not sure if he really knows how to deal with the intimacy of a relationship.>>29721072I don't mind the fighting, but it's that it has become a total war rather than a civil debate.>>29721105Anytime brother.
>>29721003Well, I would vote for Luci as long as we don't have to live in Marconetti, because clearly that country is infested with nothing but scum and villains and should be fucking purged. So the remainder are either Marianne, Sylvie or Nico. Of all the three, I'd say Nico is probably the best, Sylvie is bit creepy and Marianne is kind of unpleasant. There's also Rana and the Meido
>>29721115I'm pretty sure all of the girls could help if we actually, you know, told them about them.instead Marie fans want to keep all of the other girls in the dark so that they can claim that Marianne is the only one who can help him.
>>29721003I like Luci. I love aggressive women, she's a very nice person unless she's pushed to the point of rage, and her biggest problem is that she has to push too much because she's the only one on a timer. Also Sylvie's boring as hell as a romance option and Marianne is downright verbally abusive a lot of the time
>>29721115True, I forgot to mentionShe's the least pushy and she actually told Luciana to back off.Marie knows Rein needs his space considering 'all dat ptsd', and having problems herself (with abuse too) she's in a good position to support him while he supports her.
>>29721003I prefer Nico buts it's gonna be Mari at the end
>>29721124>If someone had a valid criticism, I'm fine with that. Their post was meaningful.This sure is a change of tone from the beginning of this threadAny comment negative of the quest a mere two or three hours ago was plagued with people telling them to fuck themselves, then it devolved into shitpostingAnd this always happens, people try to shut down other people's opinions and we get into screaming contests. Do we really expect it to go differently THIS time? Or the next time? Just because you don't like someone's criticism doesn't mean it's still not valid and the whole lot of you need to realize that.I'm sorry the thread even went this way.
Guys, we're having a more or less civil debate about romance routes.Miracles, they happen
>>29721148>I love aggressive womenYou're definitely roleplaying the beta male that Reinhold is quite well friend! :D
>>29721162>And this always happens, people try to shut down other people's opinions and we get into screaming contests. This is also why we'll never conclude the waifu wars, either.
>>29721108If calling out your idiocy in the face of the fact htat Quest threads aren't democracies, and never have been, makes a person 'the archelon defense force', then that means that every person defending every Quest from whining asshurt mongrels that want to force their point of view on someone taking time out of their own lives to run a thread just because THEY don't happen to like how it's run is a member of the 'archelon defense force'.You might as well just call it the 'quest master general defense force' in which case. Furthermore, I'm not even hurt, I'm just pointing out how asstarded your logic is that just because you didn't like what Archelon did with HIS story, then he should bow to your and a handful of others' desires.If I were QM'ing this shit I wouldn't have left, I would've just told you to sit down and shut the fuck up, or leave if you're incapable of doing so. At which point your lot would've continued to bitch and moan pointlessly in further futile attempts to derail the thread because "MY OPINIONS MATTER!"
>>29721162Do you at least admit your criticism could have waited until the end of the thread? Because, it doesn't give it a good look when you post it in the middle of trolls.
>>29721003Luciana.first, because we'd be saving her from a pretty bad future, second because physical distance can give us a little time to breathe if needed and last but not least, she's just so damn cute
>>29721067>>29721108good points thanks for sharing>>29721098agree>>29721166funny enough most are saying not to have one at all
>>29721166They happening because nothing in the quest is going on.If there was a girl making a move on Reinhald, you will only see chaos and fighting.
>>29721166It's because the thread is over and it doesn't matter.Marifag reporting. She's got the best chemistry with Rein and will call him on his bullshit.
>>29721166fuck you.
>>29721166because the shit posters probaly left when there was no quest to shit on to night
>>29721179oh no, Reinhold annoys me quite a bit, he's my least favorite character other than Monique.
>>29721003Luci is my favorite, with Maido and Rana after her.I just do not like Marianne. She's boring and honestly a terrible match for Rienhold romantically.
>>29721184>If calling out your idiocy in the face of the fact htat Quest threads aren't democracies, and never have been, makes a person 'the archelon defense force', then that means that every person defending every Quest from whining asshurt mongrels that want to force their point of view on someone taking time out of their own lives to run a thread just because THEY don't happen to like how it's run is a member of the 'archelon defense force'.And you fucking do it again because you're as dense as a brick. You acting like a petulant child to people who want to voice their opinions toward the quest MAKES THINGS WORSE. You prod them and prod them and they explode and ruin the quest thread. Fucking surprise, acting like an aggressive asshole to someone makes them aggressive and standoffish. congratulations, YOU ruined this thread, give yourself a round of applause for being this dense.
>>29721145>Nico is probably the bestShe has her own Wafu and I'd rather not ruin it for her.
>>29721190Most?Only three guys did, all the other posts were talking of routes.>>29721148Luci>>29721157Nico>>29721145Nico>>29721137Not decided>>29721128Luci>>29721114Mari>>29721099Luci>>29721087Mari>>29721023Mari>>29721206Luci>>29721195Mari
>>29721195This. I kinda dislike Marianne, but honestly she's the only one who isn't a fucking retard, even if she is a bitch half the time. She tells other girls to back off because she can actually notice how off Reinhold is.
>>29721200Shame they'll be back and more of them now that there is blood in the water. I don't think arch should run again until he is in a good enough mental state to be able to ignore the shitposting otherwise this is just going to spiral out of control.
>>29721108Someone running a quest or game is only as obliged to respond to you or any comments, complaints, criticisms, etc. as they feel is necessary for the health of the thing they're creating.In a P&P format, the player/GM relationship is much more intimate just based on the fact that it's a limited number of players investing significant amounts of time (and, possibly, other resources).I would suggest that a quest isn't on-demand. Archelon (probably) didn't read a wanted ad in his local paper asking for a quest in return for something else.While I admit that the standard "well if you don't like it you can just leave," is a little juvenile, but I feel as if it does speak to an essential essence of PGQ, quests, and even /tg/ and 4chan as a whole - it's fully, 100% participatory-only. You are (again, probably) not coerced, forced, or otherwise made to participate against your will, so a QM isn't necessarily required to indulge someone who that QM feels is disruptive.But, as archelon likes saying, every action has consequences.
>>29721197With pleasure
>>29721208That would be true if I hadn't arrived AFTER Arch actually left. So I'll instead applaud you for being the one to contribute to the way things have turned out. Good job. You really made this thread a great success and a hospitable environment, with your pompous attitude and delusions of somehow being any different or better than my 'petulant child' responses, despite basically doing precisely the exact same thing.Bravo, sirrah, bravo.
>>29721145Nico is the best in every way, from my count-She keeps up with us in standard duels-She's treading the same path as us-She shares the personality we fit with the best-And as a bonus, her family really likes usIf it weren't for her having her own waifu, I'm certain she would be the most popular option.
>>29721223exactly.we're her "number 2" and also a friend.to her we must be the roadie, not the rock star
>>29721232didn't she find out how off we are after she almost murdered us for tripping and our hand landing on her breast?
>>29721162My tone has been the same the whole time.Someone posting "YOU FUCKING HACK" over and over is not meaningful. It is disruptive, useless, and clearly designed to do nothing more than engender anger in it's target.Do you deny this? I think you don't. Do you see why I paint this individual as a troll? I think you do.Similarly, ridiculous extrapolations designed to blow things out of proportion without any merit or reasoning why it is so are useless.For example: Monique has a Sealed King. A poster posits that this "completely goes against the entire setting of the quest and derails the entire world". Blatantly untrue, as while a rare occurence, it is entirely within the realm of possibility and a legitimate narrative point. The reader knows no more than that he has the sword, not how he got it or what he went through, but assumes "SEALED KINGS GROW ON TREES". Whether he may hold this opinion is not up for debate. Whether it is an opinion of merit worthy of consideration, IS. It is just whining because he doesn't like it, which would be fine if he didn't post it again and again every minute.
>>29721241God damn it. This quest us doomed then.
>>29721248Coming in and calling me an idiot at the last minute just makes you look worse then.It makes you look like someone who just joined up because you wanted a fight because you're an asshole. Which is even worse than trying to shut down someone's opinion.
>>29721232I'm kind of upset that our vote to tell Sylvie we weren't into her was jettisoned by that 'heaven or hell' revote that got pushed onto us.Nothing against Sylvie, bu it would have been nice to see Reinhold proactively trying to manage his person life.
>>29721259Yeah, two messed up people fit the best together. That's how VNs work man
>>29721261Just give it up, man. That guy's head is so far up his own ass that he doesn't even realize that he's being a disruptive cunt.
>>29721261This
>>29721267Not really, you just need to report when someone is actively shitposting.
>>29721267We'll work on this, anon.Never lose hope
>>29721272Goddamn I fail at spelling. Why can't I hold all these letters?
>>29721184>Quest threads aren't democracies,then why do we vote? HIS story,? really then post it like a story and not ask for input. you bitch and moan pointlessly I am not even the guy you are responding to an I think you are an even bigger tool than archelon and after this thread he is a pretty big tool.>>29721189saving her from a pretty bad future???fuck you she is a princess she will live a live 900% better than any one from our guys childhood baring revolution
>>29721259i guess that incident broke the ice between us YEAAAAHHHHHH
>>29721272At the time it was needed, there was tons of samefagging on both sides.
>archelon leaves after 23 posts>thread reaches 1000By god, we've hit the shitstorm singularity.
>>29721261>Someone posting "YOU FUCKING HACK" over and over is not meaningfulYeah, everyone knows, stop screaming about it.Telling people to fuck off for giving their opinions is also just asking for them to shitpost and samefag. Fucking deal with it, nerd.
>>29721270>It makes you look like someone who just joined up because you wanted a fight because you're an asshole. Which is even worse than trying to shut down someone's opinion.As opposed to someone who assumes that because a person came in to see a thread in shambles because of the idiocy perpetuated by you, and your ilk, they would oppose it 'just because they want to pick a fight' and not simply because they were disappointed that the thread was derailed by said idiocy and pompous asshats thinking they were better than everyone else.
>>29721249I am all for going for her if things with maido don't work out
>>29721301Nah, it's pretty civil now, we're just discussing topics we usually don't have the time to.
>>29721226I'm ok whit Nico, Mari or Luci
>>29721274Again, >I don't like you, your head is far up your ass you disruptive cuntDo you not understand that these little jabs are why this thread devolved into a pissing contest or do I have to fucking spell it out for you?>>29721261>Do you deny this? I think you don't. Do you see why I paint this individual as a troll? I think you do.Now, are you actually saying this happened, or are you grouping people and arguments you don't like or don't agree with together because you don't' want to address their points?>Similarly, ridiculous extrapolations designed to blow things out of proportion without any merit or reasoning why it is so are useless.And once again, you call people's criticism of it useless, followed by your >opinion that it's perfectly valid writing. then you complain that people got aggressive and standoffish when your fucking tone changed in the period of a single post from reasoned guy to complete asshole. Do you not understand why this keeps happening and why I keep replying to you? I would stop replying if you just acknowledged that I have my opinions and you have yours, but you have this fetishistic desire to call me an idiot with no valid opinions every time you post.And surprise, you weren't the only one doing it, no wonder the thread turned to shit.
>>29721293she'll be married off to some guy possibly worse than monique, just for political reasons.
>>29721293>I think the Quest Master is a tool and I clearly dislike him, but fuck it I'm gonna stick around and shit up his thread anyway.>Yep, Archelon is a total tool! Not like me, who is a totally cool person.
>>29721267A long time ago we had a problem like this. A mod showed up and brought the hammer down. Started deleting posts and banning people left and right. IT WAS GLORIOUS
>>29721312Like waifus.Which reminds me of a question: which waifu would hit it off best with Agnes?>>29721320I'm okay with any really, but my preference isMari > Luci/Nico > Sylvie > Any other route possible
>>29721304They will do it anyway. THe appeal isn't to the shitposters, who don't care one way or another what I say. Its to their targets, who need to have the sense to be able to tell when people are trolling and shitposting, and ignore it.
>>29721249I don't see how. She's closed off and standoffish, fantastically shitty temper which the 'Holdy probably isn't too into after, you know, being beaten to hell and back in his formative years.There's not a lot of job overlap except for the broadest "they both kill things, maybe."She's a friend, not a wife.
>>29721261So you post your opinion, but that's okay because it's more valid than other people's opinion so they're just whining while you're absolutely correctI agree with that guy, you're being a dickhead and don't even realize that you are. Other people can disagree with you, you know.
>>29721310It's actually more viable now, after this duel. Judging by how she went nearly hysterical when she thought Reinhold was going to get himself killed, she may have to confront her feelings about him very, very soon.
>>29721329Which just serves as a reminder that you need to report, nothing else will get moderator or janitor attention.
>>29721336> She's closed off and standoffish, fantastically shitty temper The perfect match for us!
>>29721325>Do you not understand that these little jabs are why this thread devolved into a pissing contest or do I have to fucking spell it out for you?So in other words, the right to fling shit and insults is reserved to the people with 'valid criticisms', such as harassing the QM, since those guys totally weren't responsible for the state of the thread. It was everyone ELSE'S fault that the thread turned out this way for trying to stop it. Gotcha. I'll remember that in future.
>>29721003I like Luciana, but I could go for anyone other than Sylvie and Marianne. Sylvie just seems to be a very bland character to me. We tried to get to know her, as well, we spent the majority of our free time with her for a solid 50 quests. We basically learned she does magic, can punch hard, and can eat a lot. We don't even really know why she likes Reinhold beyond a lack of male contactMarianne is, in my opinion, a terrible human being. She generally varies between callous indifference and verbal abuse. This could be a coping mechanism to deal with being molested by the previous bodyguard, it could not. What we know is that it isn't just towards us- before we showed up, she'd alienated everyone but Luciana, when we tripped she literally froze us solid because we accidentally groped her on the way down, and she constantly dehumanizes us because we work for her.
>>29721326If that happens, I vote we just grab her and run. Fuck Marconetti, that shithole country where being an obnoxious prick is the norm.
>>29721330I like Nico a little more and next comes Mari, but I still like Luci
>>29721003I prefer Luci at the moment, she's just all around really nice, thoughtful and seems to genuinely care for Reinhold. Elena and Emelio as sister and brother in law are also icing on the cake.
>>29721304Is that what happened to you? Tell us where the anon's indifference touched you.
>>29721336That pretty much sums up Marianne, as well.
>>29721326not being fucked and beating every day? in a shit whole starving with nothing but the cloths on her back?well lad de da >>29721327tools can make nice things hell they make the nicest things we just gotta be able to weld them. his ego is just too massive for us to make him make an interesting story for us.
>>29721348>So in other words, the right to fling shit and insults is reserved to the people with 'valid criticisms'I'm saying if you throw shit, other people are going to throw shit back. Which is why this thread collapsed onto itself, NEITHER side knows when to stop throwing shit. Yourself included with that snarky little remark that has no bearing on the thread at all and you only included to relieve stress because you think of me as the "bad guy" that has ruined the thread.
>>29721330probably the loli or nicobut i'm all in for shipping agnes and arnaud together
>>29721341I actually thought that was a nice touchAlthough I think the waifu force rationalizes it as her almost losing one of her only friends
>>29721343To be honest when the threads get really busy I only read the QM's posts. In the next thread he needs to tell people to just report bad posts. Until recently I didn't even know how to report posts. (Being Newfag and all)
>>29721359Well maybe you should have waited to post your "criticisms" when you wouldn't have been mistaken for a shitposter.
>>29721363I ship Karel (if he/she turns out to be a girl) and Emilio, for some reason.Setsuranka seemed to think of Karel as a girl so...
>>29721349Marianne is the kind of person who you can a platonic friendship with, but nothing more simply because things are much more smoother when it's just a friendship.
>>29721325Oh, no, this most certainly happened. Read through to see it.>>29720508>>29720487>>29720537>>29720562>>29720389Just a few examples.I point out that it is a valid literary technique and WHY, and why the other opinion is not. Nowhere did my post change in tone.I acknowledge that a person can have another opinion. You seem to have no ability to understand that1. THe person calling you an idiot is not me. ON a board like 4chan, treat each individual post like a diffeerent person, because it usually is.2. Opinions, like arguments, require support.
>>29721336same problems I have with Marianne, only she compunds the bad and has none of the good
arch, if you're still reading please take at least a month off.
With Marie, in my opinion she needs a friend more than a romantic interest.Nico is similarly more of a friend, and I'm totally shipping her with Meido anyway.Luciana... well, I feel bad for her. But she's almost certainly getting married off to Monique, and if we try to do anything about it we'll be killed.Rana got introduced late and I doubt we'll continue to see much of her after we leave Marconetti (if we ever leave Marconetti).So that pretty much just leaves Sylvie, who I'm fine with.
>>29721371you'd call my posts shitposts whether I posted them at the beginning or the endWhy? Because if you're the same person I've been arguing with, you already did.Best of luck to arch in his next thread.
>>29721394No I'm not, I do think you're an autist though.
>>29721338Sure, they can disagree. It doesn't make them right.And yes, it is more valid. I find that people who say "its just your opinion" don't actually understand what an opinion entails. It is a portrayal of what you believe, which can be just as flawed as anything else when not backed up with supporting evidence.
>>29720787But he did continue with it.Even got to the start of year two and things were looking good with only one or two people bitching that everyone was tuning out.Then he just dropped it out of nowhere.
>>29721381That last one had a valid point, even if it was rather crude. Which goes back to "Why are you grouping posts with legitimate criticism to shitflinging posts". Also if you were capable of acknowledging other people's opinions, you would have done it before now. This exchange keeps happening and it results in the same thing: people get angry and fling shit around. The fact you even accidentally included a post with a point in it proves that you're really just angry that people think about the quest differently than you do.
>>29721400well if it isn't the pot calling the kettle a nigger
>>29721354>nice, thoughtfulb8She kissed someone who didn't like her right before a duel with someone who really wanted to kick his shit in and had a god sword
>>29721391Marie-agreedNico-agreedLuciana-this will not happen, if archelon doesn't want people to basically have conclusive proof that Monique is a karma-dodging DMPC. Fine with potentially friending her and everyone else, but Monique gets nobodyRana-agreeSylvie-please no
>>29721415It wasn't valid in my eyes, and I posted a writeup in my last post as to why. Don't you remember?
>>29721391i agree with the Marianne comment, neutral on others, disagree on sylvie.a great plot twist is meeting Spenille and actually give her a second chance, to actually hear her side of the story for what she did.
>>29721415That wasn't just "crude" it was a horrible post.
>>29721391>she's almost certainly getting married off to MoniqueI... I didn't even think of that. The fact that Monique won the fight might mean that the king will view Monique as more valuable than Reinhold. Technically Reinhold is a better swordsmen but Monique is bonded to that sword for life. It's not like that advantage is going away ever.
>>29721411>My opinions are the only opinions that are valid, no I'm not going to take the time to understand their arguments for their opinions, Im going to call them shit and mock them Congratulations, you, like many others, are just as guilty of the shitflinging that ruined this thread as anyone else. Maybe if you wanted to discuss this like an adult instead of immediately assume someone's opinion must be shit by default, like a child, you could have opened a dialogue with the players that disagreed with you. But you didn't.I'm not responding to your next post because you've pretty much proven yourself the asshole at this juncture.
>>29721428>>29721391Celestino wouldn't do something like that, he's not evil and he's not dumb either.Plus he actually cares for his daughter enough to at least try to get someone decent she doesn't hate completely.
>>29721415Additionally, acknowledging the existence of a conflicting opinion doesn't mean it has validity, or is supported.
>>29721425She kissed someone who had playfully flirted with her and never actually told her he wasn't looking for a relationship right before a duel with someone who really wanted to kick his shit in, but he'd beaten beforenobody knew the godsword was there
>>29721454but she doesn't hate him, also he tried to marry her to her best friends dad I don't think he gives a fuck.also there perfect for eachother
>>29721428> if archelon doesn't want people to basically have conclusive proof that Monique is a karma-dodging DMPC.It's pretty clear that he doesn't care about that perception. If he did care about that perception, he wouldn't have bent over backwards to justify Monique's conduct during the duel. And he didn't even by way of a character talking, he personally stepped into the conversation in his role as the QM to declare that Monique's conduct was legitimate.
>>29721451Except I'm willing to expalin why it has no worth.Are you willing to explain why it does? Because thus far, you haven't. You've merely shouted that because it is a thing that exists, it has merit.This is untrue.
>>29721448so their marriage will be like tyrion/sasha?
>>29721474>never actually told her he wasn't looking for a relationshipGreat job not reading social cues and not trusting when your friend tells you to back off
>>29721425>who didn't like herShe flirted and Reinhold flirted back. That is how most kisses happen in the real world.
>>29721429>It wasn't valid in my eyesAnd your response to it was built off opinions of how you thought the thread should be.Once again, you two have a stark difference of opinion but instead of trying to rationalize it, you attacked him. One of them was "You're blowing it out of proportion" (an opinion), the other was "You're just mad" (a shitpost)If you are either of those posts then you've pretty much proven that you're even more petty than he is. At least he gave a reason why he was dissatisfied with the quest, you didn't even give him that, you just told him to fucking deal with it or made a "You mad" post. I would be genuinely ashamed to claim ownership over either of those posts, but you went and did it anyway, nice job.>>29721447In your opinion, which you never got around to addressing because it's easier to fling shit at him.Don't either of you see why these threads turn to shit? Are you so blind and hypocritical that you think you can just insult the other players and they'll magically go away and not be angry at you for being a condescending twat to them? Is this just your default state of "No opinions allowed"?
It is somewhat comforting to see this is just as shit as when I left it about 30 threads agoAnd now even Archelon has sunk lower thanks to all youExcellent work /tg/
>>29721411What supporting evidence is there? The rules change was proposed a thread before the duel and presented as a nice way to protect anon from critfails.During the duel, there was the sword of doomy doom.After the duel, there was talk of hidden modifiers to represent our wounds, and everything arch wrote about dueling rules could easily be construed as trying to justify Monique's actions.When your only evidence is the word of a person that his accusers aren't inclined to believe then what do you really have?
>>29721454> Plus he actually cares for his daughter enough to at least try to get someone decent she doesn't hate completely.He likes Monique enough and has been suspicious of what he thinks is our attempt to seduce Luciana. He probably would disregard her objection based on the belief that it's only because we have poisoned her against Monique. Plus getting someone bonded to a Sealed King is just too good an opportunity to pass up just because his daughter doesn't want to marry him.
>>29721480not only that his dialog and choices were pretty different from the Monique we played/talked to more pants on head ass hat than the cool collected guy we were playing I think that up set me the most we were making a growing and better Monique and Arch just took a shit on that.
>>29721425Reinhold was dancing pretty suggestively with her at the dance. And Monique having a sealed king doesn't really have anything to do with Luciana's personality, unless you're implying that she's a telepath.
>>29721479>she doesn't hate him>skewered her romantic interest>called nico's mom a whore>acted like a crazy dude>acted all 'reveeenge'I'm pretty sure she can't possibly like him.And it seems her family acknowledges Rein enough, Celestino's reasons for accepting the duel weren't only to define if he wasn't a con for agnes only, he also wanted to probe for dangers to his daughter. Which means he considers Rein as a potential husband for her, since he's legit
>>29721391Agreed on Marie. For her, she needs to find herself and settle all her personal angst and self-deprecating thoughts. While I don''t see her as an interest for Reinhold, I can totally see him as an older brother type role model for her. They already act like brother and sister for the most part.Nico... I'm biased here, so I'll pass.Lucianna would openly rebel, I think, if that happens. She's played the dutiful daughter role up to now, but there is no way she would stand for that.Rana's not been around enough, I agree. She's probably out of the running.
>>29721448> Technically Reinhold is a better swordsmenWhich, as mentioned before, totally doesn't matter. Especially given that invincibility via Sealed King possession mode is legal in duels, making Monique by default the best duelist in either kingdom, including the older power house players.
>>29721515>/tg/ >we kill the ones we like!
>>29721515>Archelon has sunk lower thanks to all youEpic opinion :DDDDDDDDDD>>29721525>responding
>>29721484But you haven't, you just keep dangling this carrot around that you totally have this COMPLETELY OBJECTIVE REASON why he is wrong and needs to change his 'wrong' opinion, but you never post it. I didn't even like his post, I thought it went too far into insult territory, but if you can disprove his opinion with objective fact, please do.
>>29721496based on Luciana's reaction to us telling her not to be forceful, she probably thought Marianne meant it like we preferred more demure girls. I don't remember where the conversation was, so I can't quote it and could very well be wrong here. As for social ques, Reinhold is generally either obliviously flirty, indecisive, or dense as fuck. None of which really scream "back off"then again, I like Luci, so I am somewhat biased. grain of salt and all that
>>29721519>suspiciousNo, he was suspicious until the duel.And the whole "likes him enough", from what interaction can we assume that? He wouldn't even allow Monique's crazy duel rant if he wasn't eager to test Rein.And now that Rein's passed he's actually on a clearer road if he goes to pursue Luci route.Regardless, I'd still prefer Marianne.
>>29721527>role model>Reinholdwhat are you doing
>>29721451My apologies, I missed your last line. I tend to filter out things that have no bearing except as an attack. Since you won't respond anymore I'll just leave you with a hearty and friendly "Concession Accepted.">>29721507I'm sorry, how is stating it is blowing it out of proportion an opinion not rooted in fact? He took a situation of which there was only one, and claimed that made it common to the point of absurdity. This is the definition of blowing things out of proportion.I'm...not sure you fully understand the differences between opinions and objective facts.Thus far, you have been the only one to make attacks.
>>29721526> Which means he considers Rein as a potential husband for her, since he's legitConsidered. Past tense. This was before he found someone bonded to a sealed king, who is about the right age for one of his available daughters. We have NOTHING on that. Hell, if Luciana was taken he probably would have been willing to marry off Elena.
>>29721557Please stop responding to him, he's fucking retarded.
>>29721550> And now that Rein's passed he's actually on a clearer road if he goes to pursue Luci route.He's really not. There's now a completely overwhelming bit of competition blocking that now.
This just took a shit on the setting if sealed kings apparently grow on trees. If monique is an asshole rival that can just pull powerups out of his ass then I don't even know why we fucking bother.We signed up for princess guard quest not DBZ quest and trying to change it now is disingenuous
>>29721454The Sealed Kings are supposedly the setting's strongest weapons, and Celestino knows that there's one attached to an unmarried social climber. He wants that weapon for a potential war with Ancellota, and there can be no doubt that he will use Luciana to get it.
>>29721527>Lucianna would openly rebel, I think, if that happens. She's played the dutiful daughter role up to now, but there is no way she would stand for that.and Marianne would help hide her, being friends. Nicolette hates Monique, Sylvie's just nice. Gregory also hates Monique, totally strong enough to set up illusions. PGQ is on the road to high adventure
>>29721544Ok.He made the following claim: "Monique has a sealed king. This means they are so common as to grow on trees."Fact: We know of one person anywhere in the world who has a sealed king.Fact: We do not know what methods or trials he went through to obtain it, only that he was gone for a significant time.Fact: One iteration of an event does not follow the definition of a common occurence.Thus, the objective facts do not support his initial assertion.
>>29721552As in being a somewhat well adjusted and personable person despite having some incredibly shitty things happen to them.
>>29721557>I'm sorry, how is stating it is blowing it out of proportion an opinion not rooted in fact?Because it's your opinion, to him it could very much be an in-proportion problem. It certainly is a quest-changing event, why wouldn't it be in proportion. It's a matter of scale and how much it matters to what player. And it's his opinion that it matters that much, and he could be right because a sealed king isn't something you just throw around. It's really only your opinion that it's not as important as he's making it out to be. Once again, you've clashed his opinion with your opinion, but you've taken the stance of 'my opinion must be more right'. >>29721567Gosh refusing to argue with people and instead call them retards can't be the reason we're having this conversation right now.As far as I'm concerned you both are just as responsible for this as anyone who tried to rationalize their opinion. You're both just petty. Try to work on that.
>>29721583and then Monique chases after us, since he will think Reinhold stole his wifethis is actually an awesome story arc in the making
>>29721583>King tries to get Luci to marry MoniqueHellno.jpg>everybody packs up to run away and adventure>emilio and karel tag along
>>29721561Except the fact that Celestino isn't interested in marrying Luciana down to a washed out noble family who isn't even all that noble - great-grandaddy was ennobled through dueling, not because he was of any particular use to Granache or Marconetti, and he was never knighted (which we've been told is tantamount to being recognized by the state as a "pretty bad dude).Monique never was and will definitely not be considered as husbando material. The royals think he's a major tool, and Luciana isn't voiceless in the whole thing either. She has to consent and consummate the marriage.If neither of those happens, there's no marriage and everyone's wasted their time, which is why it won't happen.That last sentence is just too stupid for me to even want to refute.
>>29721593His opinion was not supported by what we knew of the setting, therefore did not contradict the setting (Which is what he claimed). Again, you don't understand what an opinion is. Or perhaps its merit that you don't understand?
>>29721615yes please
>>29721616Plus there's the fact King Thierri hates Monique now.And Gregory.And a lot of the main royal cast, maybe even Luci's mom considering she saw her brother's reaction and knows her daughters feelings.
>>29721615seems legitand if emilio mans up enough for Marie to like him and either sylvie or Luciana takes a liking to karel, everyone has a waifu
>>29721615I would drop all complaints about the duel if this.
>>29721625>Rein as Swordie #1>Sylvie as the mage-bruiser>Nico as the lancer>Luci and Marianne as the casters>Karel as Swordie #2>Emilio as comic relief
Problem: Reinhold can never matter.All he has going for him is swordsmanship. That's it. Nothing else. In a real fight, even a mediocre mage can simply fly and freeze him solid, rendering swordsmanship worthless in an actual fight. So that leaves dueling. However, in a duel, enough magic is technically allowed to render us helpless, and legendary weapons that we will never, ever get anything even approaching are allowed. So in a duel we are also worthless.
>>29721585Okay, but that still doesn't change that his interpretation is about how we've observed a sealed king in this environment. I think the "grows on trees" jab was clearly hyperbole. And you're pulling it out of proportion because it makes it easier to tear it apart and not because you want to attack his objective point. Then we get to your opinions, like >We do not know what methods or trials he went through to obtain it, only that he was gone for a significant time.And neither do you, in fact his assertion may be just as accurate as yours. >One iteration of an event does not follow the definition of a common occurence.We don't even know the circumstances he used to acquire it, so how can you even say that.So all in all, it's mostly opinions from your side vs the opinions from his side, both uneducated. You really didn't show him anything except that you're willing to mis-represent his argument to your advantage. Objectively, your post is worth about as much as his. And I doubt either of you are willing to accept that they are just your opinions.
>>29721629>>29721616but all the god dam nobles want his sword now he is the most popular ever now >>29721615final something interesting, then we die.
>>29721638Emilio would be heal bot, probably. Or support/bait. Hell, let's make him a bard and try and get him laid constantly.
>>29721629A long laundry list of reasons why it's (more than) unlikely.
huhwe've accomplished quite a lot since the shitposters left. It's kind of awesome, even if none of it will matter come next thread
>>29721634What if >Sylvie x Emilio. Beta couple>Luci x Karel. She goes for the other swordie>Nico x Meido. All that /u/>Rein x Mari
>>29720460You an pretty cool bro OP, sorry things are getting out of hand.
>>29721651and by sword you mean dick?
Man, some of you guys really need to learn the art of giving no fucks. If someone on the internet says something that bothers you, the proper response is to to hit page down and read something else. You have the power to make it like they never existed, so why spend greater than zero braincells on stuff you never cared about to begin with?And besides, blatant shitposting is one of the global rules. So if someone is being a dick just report him and let the friendly neighbourhood janitor handle it. They have hip waders, you don't. No need to step in it yourself.Also if you really must argue with each other you really need to step up your game. What I'm seeing barely rates a 2 on the Babby's First Ad Hominem scale. That's only one step above "I know you are but what am I" kindergarden tier.>>29721582Probably less about Ancelotta and more about uniting the two kingdoms since Monique is from Granache and all. This is his all consuming goal remember, he just tried to get Luci to marry Aquaman.>>29721638So if Luci jumps ship would Takamaru go with her?
>>29721638Nico is a Dragoon. Dragoon. Not a Lancer.Good God man, it's like you want her to suffer.
>>29721651but...they can't. You know, on account of the "people involved in this dude's death are ineligible by default to be chosen by the sword," which is then further compounded by the sword being sentient and picking its own master.Given how Setsuranka has voiced apprecation/approval/liking of Monique it's unlikely that she could be taken out of Monique's cold (geddit), dead hands. She'd just be a frosty (geddit), uncooperative (sword-)bitch.Your arguments don't scan...
>>29721662>Sylvie x Emilio. Beta couple>Luci x Karel. She goes for the other swordie>Nico x Meido. All that /u/>Rein x Sword>Mari x crown
>>29721662depending on who we end up waifuing, is one possibility. the only one that is completely set in stone (in my opinion) is Nico/Meido. but that's because I want Luci route most of all and really don't want Mari
>Celestino tries to marry off Luciana to Monique>Luciana, Elena and Emilio and their bodyguards all defect>Aquaman questions Celestino's judgement.
>>29721616> Except the fact that Celestino isn't interested in marrying Luciana down to a washed out noble family who isn't even all that nobleAnd he is interested in marrying her to an jumped up commoner, who isn't even particularly useful? Regardless of Monique's family or standing, he is bonded to a sealed king. That makes him one of the most important assets in either kingdom.
>>29721675Monique's not part of the royal family, so it wouldn't unify anything.
Passing by commentary here-Questing is a cooperative form of storytelling, where the players decide on actions. Mistakes can happen on both sides. When a situation gets this bad, nobody is without fault. NOBODY.Archelon- (though you probably won't read this)You're established setting is beautiful- but you need to balance it in regards to how a quest runs. You introduced a mundane swordsman character in a magical setting- you need to show why this person is deserving to have this high ranking post in this world of magical wonders. Likewise, you also need to recognize that you made the player character a swordsman- and then don't let him do anything but stand around and learn magic. Barring the occasional spar, his post seems superfluous- he doesn't seem needed as a guard and outside of actual tournaments without magic, he seems quite outmatched for such a position with that's been seen.You handled this fallout badly- while I understand this is a setting you’ve worked on- having items like the sealed king don’t work in a game based setting unless you give them some form of disadvantage- you shouldn’t have let the rules be bent for it. They are, literally, too good to pass up- with exceptions written for them in normal rules and they can’t even be taken from you by your killer. Even if the sword was the only reason Reinhold lost, you let there be no fallout so far for the antagonist, even if you had some planned- you should have addressed it right afterward as to de-fang the situationPlayers- You all fight so much amongst each other that it's hard for a consensus to be made- everyone's so ionized to goals that it's hard to anything but the most generic actions. If there's complaints about how generic the main character is, you allowed it to happen by not allowing anyone else to 'gain ground' relationship-wise. While Archelon gave Reinhold his backstory- you abused it to make sure you could avoid situations you don't want.
>>29721645Which is why we should continue on the path we planned for from the beginning, once we learned about magic. Spell sword, in the same fashion as Arnaud and Gregory.
>>29721619>His opinion was not supported by what we knew of the settingAnd your opinion isn't much better than theirs on the matter. Monique acquiring a sealed king wasn't supported by what we knew of the setting either. That's what this whole argument is about and that's why the other side is fighting so viciously: every time they point this out the other side just calls them retards and tells them to leave the quest if they don't like itAnd both sides in this look vicious and unwilling to compromiseAnd if you just admitted, just admitted that the sealed king incident has thrown the setting as we know it into a strange state of limbo, we could all drop this and just accept that we view this in a different way.
>>29721662>Mari x Emilio. Guy just needed to grow a pair>Sylvie x Karel. She goes for the other guy she spoke to>Nico x Meido. All that /u/>Rein x Luci
>>29721003Sylvie.>She's nice, tender, to the point of being naive>She has strong sense of duty, of right and wrong and is willing to go out of her way to honor it>She is skilled in the area of expertise Reinhold is not>Her cheerful and friendly outlook is like a salve
>>29721629Given Celestino's opinion on the role of women, it is highly unlikely that either Luciana's or Lisette's objections will be able to counteract the advantage to be gained by bring someone bonded to a sealed king into your family. Especially with Celestino's paranoia about a potential conflict with his less friendly neighbors.
>>29721698Also I'm done, that was my final post, if you guys want to continue getting angry over people's opinions, you can do it without me, try not to ruin the next thread either.
>>29721696>you allowed it to happen by not allowing anyone else to 'gain ground' relationship-wiseIf you think a relationship is needed to make a character not boring you should stop thinking you know what you're talking about. But after all>opinions
>>29721696that is a very reasonable, well thought out, and unbiased critique of both sides of the argument. Well done, anon
>>29721717He actually does love his family, and he knows that Luciana would be unhappy.It's not going to happen, stop being silly.
>>29721648>And neither do you, in fact his assertion may be just as accurate as yoursThe only assertion I made was that his opinion was not a valid complaint because it had no basis in fact.You can't actually expect people to take an opinion rooted in conjecture seriously, because as I've pointed out over and over, it has no merit.My "opinion" that his opinion has no merit is factual with the information everyone has.>We don't even know the circumstances he used to acquire it, so how can you even say that.Because the circumstances are unknown, therefore you cant postulate on them with any accuracy. One occurence of an individual having a sealed king does not make the state of "having a sealed king" a common occurence. This is basic, high-school level logic.My opinions are entirely on the quality of his opinions.Which, objectively, have no merit.Must we go on this roller coaster again, or do you comprehend yet? My opinion isn't an opposite of his, it is that his opinion is not rooted in ANY basic fact, merely extrapolation and angry sentiments. The facts that we DO know support this assertion.
>>29721689I never said anything about Reinhold, nor is the 'Hold even relevant to what we're discussing right now. Why involve him?Monique is not an asset because Setsuranka is sentient. She can simply close the taps. Can you explain how he is an asset and in what manner he could be deployed in?
>>29721661most of the real followers carry on at this time, some are barely hanging on to vote. i remember when there was only 3 guys other than me choosing an option at about this hour.
>>29721684>>Rein x Swordyou stop that right now.
Fucked up the first spoiler.>Rein Dense Swordie>Mari, Caster, boss>Luci, Caster>Nico, Dragoon LANCER >Sylvie, Fist-caster/battlemage>Meido: Support, Battle Maid >Rana: Badass Dragon, heh>Reya: Badass Dragon, duh>Emilio: Comic Relief, Support?>Karel: Ambiguous Sex Swordie>Elena: Mini Swordie>Andreas: Starry Swordie>Takamaru: Katana Swordie
>>29721731He also knows that having that sword would be really, really useful, and believes that making such decisions as who to marry is beyond a woman's proper role.
>>29721737>>29721747It's starting to sound like a circus group.
>>29721732So your opinion is the opposite of his but you insist it's based in fact and logic because you continue to mis-represent an obvious hyperbole in his post. (Yes, hyperbole is something else you should have learned in high school)Well, you proved one thing, you certainly aren't going to admit that he's entitled to his opinion. So I don't see why you keep insisting that you're entitled to yours.
>>29721747We're not calling ourselves Fairy Tail. I will leave this quest.
>>29721003I really want to pursue Mary because I don't believe Rein would be able to effectively juggle his lady(relationship) and his lady (bodyguarding).I'm a sucker for melting coldhearted people down too I guess.I find Sylvie too bland and Luci too spicy, I especially don't wanna pick either of them if they're going continue fighting like cats over Rein. If we were forced to pick one of them I guess I'd choose Luci though.
>>29721767>Fairy TailTop kek>rein learns fire spells>starts only using fire to solve everything>enemy uses fire?>use even more fire!>enemy uses water?>use even more fire to boil the water!
Oh boy. I had hoped followers of this quest are less childish but apparently that is not the case.>muh npc has an artifact that I waaaaaantfucking deal with it>muh npc won a fight against me, it wasn't faaaaairfucking deal with it. And it was winnable, you just failed 2 to 1 relevant checks, none of which needed to be a critical.>muh mai waifu > your waifu = a shitthat's not even worthy of comment at this point>muh I am right and everyone who disagreese with me is JIDF>>>/pol/>>>/b/>>>/r9k/
>>29721761True, but I wasn't the one to suggest even more people to the possible party.Though I have to say it'd be funny to have all those people in a camp like DAO's
>>29721732>objectively have no merit>based on my opinionsI'm not him but you keep running into this obvious barrier you seem to have where your opinions are not objective fact. Yeah that post you responded to wasn't very good and was probably made in a fit of anger but trying to counter with your own opinions and then call that guy an idiot is really poor form that illustrate the problem we're having to begin withI'm not going to respond to you if you respond to me because you clearly just want to argue in circles
>>29721767Elena is our mascot/logo.
>>29721734> Can you explain how he is an asset and in what manner he could be deployed in?Combat. The sealed king is loyal enough to Monique to assist him in fighting. In a fight, he's a powerhouse now and still has years ahead of him to get better. Celestino is very concerned about a potential conflict with his neighbors, to the point that he's willing to pester an ally like Granache with spies. He'll want Monique to be tied into his family so that if shit hits the fan, he'll be able to call on someone with the power of a sealed king for assistance. And he has a conveniently unmarried daughter that he can use to cement the deal.
>>29721747It's too largelimit it to a group of 3/4/5 people and try again.
>>29721751Well, the problem with that is that half of the royal family is going to defect if he tries to pull that one off. >LucianaRuns right the fuck off to become an adventurer. >ElenaDoesn't want to share Luciana's fate and bails. >EmilioBalls descend and he decides that he'd rather be disowned than be family with honorless cunt like Monique.
>>29721782So your only response to people who have concerns about the quest is 'fucking deal with it'? Hey: here's a thought, maybe that's why the thread devolved into this into the first place
>>29721747and Inaba forms the head
>>29721789But that's wrong. The opinions have no merit because they are based on bullshit assumption that "If Monique can get a sealed king, anyone can"
>>29721801I had and posted it but people asked to add more.Ideally the core/really necessary group is:Mari, Rein, Sylvie, Luci, Nico (and Meido, but nobody remember her)
>>29721799Citation needed on just where you're equating Monique and Setsuranka as Gandalf or whatever other bullshit victory trigger you prefer.There really hasn't been anything.Also, there has been zero indication that Monique has even formed opinions about Luciana, let alone noticed her (to the best of my memory).He is, after all, a gentleman. I doubt he would agree to an arranged marriage unless he felt they would be truly compatible, and has been made pretty clear from Luciana's short POV segments, there's no fucking way she'd have him.
>>29721803honestly, I want all this adventuring stuff to happen now. We get to see this awesome world arche built, we aren't stuck as a useless bodyguard in a castle filled with gods, and character development is much easier out of civilization
>>29721803Emilio was willing to speak up a little and help on the side. He's got a long way to go before he'd be willing to run off. Luciana and Elena are both women, and Celestino's opinion on their proper place is pretty clear. He'd rein them in however he felt necessary if that's what it took to get a sealed king into his family.
>>29721782It's not the fact that we lost, it's the fact that we lost against a dishonorable opponent that violated the rules of the duel, had an extremely villainous speech and he suffers no consequences for these actions.
>>29721801Marianne - The LeaderSylvie - The BrawnNicolette - The... goddamn it... LancerLuciana - The BrainsReinhold - The ChickGuest-starring Melon as the support staff!
>>29721827We get to see other countries, creatures, learn lore...Plus everyone will get levels like crazy.The next generation of royal badasses of Granache
>>29721833When do they get their megazord?
>>29721799Doesn't Celestino have that asshole daughter she could marry Monique to? Why would it need to be Luciana?
>>29721804People have concerns about not automatically winning on god mode and having everything handed to them.I suppose there is a chance that if Arch would allow the MC to glide through everything like a boss without a chance for failure, there would be no shitstorms except for people who would be calling him mary sue (although who cares about those anyway).Although there would still be the issue of waifus. Can't satisfy everyone with waifus.
>>29721826Monique doesn't need to have noticed her. Celestino just needs to make the offer. He's pretty standard medieval in terms of his beliefs about women and marriage, so marrying Luciana off to someone who has never even met her wouldn't be a problem in his book if it helped his family and kingdom's security.
>>29721842>>29721833Mari is redSylvie is blueLuci is whiteNico is whiteRein is pink
>>29721830He was willing to go out there himself and tell Monique to suck his smooth underdeveloped balls for pulling that stunt off.
>>29721845That'd be great actually, Benedetta wasn't it?Monique will... suffer!
>>29721693Not in a bloodline sense no. But he is a noble with a sealed king now, and that counts for a lot.". Plus Aquaman already said no, so Luciana is no longer useful for that front. His last hope would have to be Marianne x Emilio to connect the bloodlines together (again?).>>29721845Isn't the asshole daughter like 38 or something? I forget.
>>29721845I believe she's already married. Arche has mentioned that Celestino marries his daughters off to various people in standard feudal lord fashion, and that Luciana is the oldest unmarried one. Which is why he tried to marry her to Aquaman.
>>29721830>he'd rein them inkek
>>29721859Karel did, Emilio didn't.
>>29721842Season two while having to fight off ice golems accidentally created when Monique's failing confidence causes him to lose control of his magic. He needs to Let It Go.>>29721853I approve of this message.
>>29721873Emilio stopped Karel, saying that he'd go along with him, so yeah they'd both go down there.The reason Emilio didn't go is because Luciana made a different plan.
>>29721873He tried to. Sylvie talked him down so she could go heal Rein instead.
>>29721833>>29721825>>29721747I can't see Nico leaving the castle unless Melanie comes along. She also has the responsibility as Captain of the Guard and has been working on that before Rein even got to the castle.To me the core would simply be Rein/Mary/Taka/Luci.If Luci gets tied down by her family and can't escape, I could see Sylvie seeing her chance and going for it whether Nico and Melanie come or not.
>>29721826the first time he sees her he is like white on rice close to her escorting from the boarder and back
>>29721789>>29721815The above is a correct representation of my argument.Perhaps some clarification will help you?You assume everything I've written is simply my opinion, correct?What about this:We do not know the circumstances behind Moniques acquisition of the Sealed King.Is this an opinion? No, it is a factual statement. We don't. This factual statement directly tears the legs out from the previous poster's opinion, because he posits that "because Monique got one, they are common." Thus, his opinion is meritless.>>29721766See above. Additionally, the only hyperbole that can be attributed is the idea that they Grow on Trees. The idea that Sealed Kings are Common is the central idea of his post.
>>29721832>suffers no consequences1) It's too early to tell, so far we only know how other npc's visit Reinhold after fight, we don't know what situation Monique is in aside from apparently having received sympathy of the spectators, which makes sense given that he won (by whatever means).2) life is not fair. Why should arena fight be? Especially when it was supposed to be moment of drama and big deal from plot standpoint. The events that took place we don't know may be linked to deeper degree than just "rival npc has gone off on an adventure and got back with epic sword just to wreck your shit". Maybe he's set to lose against a powerful force that's behind abduction attempts, or maybe it's there to show how a sealed king unseals herself, or maybe for any other reason.
>>29721848> People have concerns about not automatically winning on god mode and having everything handed to them.Wanting to actually matter rather than being a completely useless pet is very different from wanting to "automatically win on god mode and having everything handed to them."The problem is that Reinhold literally serves no function in combat. As cosgrove pointed out, he's not a bodyguard, he's a pet, and a lot of people aren't content with that.
>>29721848> People have concerns about not automatically winning on god mode and having everything handed to them.Didn't stop Lamia Mary Sue quest.
>>29721887But Meido/Melanie was included in both lists, mate.
>>29721882Emilio went down there, but he never actually confronted Monique or called him out on anything as was claimed in >>29721859
>>29721904What could a maid realistically provide to a traveling party?
>>29721916Nothing, she's just there to tag along with Marie (since she's her personal maid) and Nico (since it seems she might actually reciprocate those feelings eventually)Plus she probably cooks/washes/does the dirty jobs the murderhobos can't do
>>29721893It makes no sense for him to gain sympathy of the spectators when he's too incompetent to win fairly even with a handicap that allows him to freely use magic while Reinhold can use none. It's not only that, but he didn't even win cleanly, came off worse than Reinhold and he only won because he cheated.
>>29721916Cooking, cleaning, travel arrangement, and the soft, beautiful comfort of her warm meido bosom.
>>29721893Addressing number 2, it's not the fairness of life, but the pointlessness of Reinhold as a character that the duel brings up. Swordsmanship is literally all he's got. And up until this point, dueling was the only place where swordsmanship actually mattered. Everywhere else, magic is king. However, now we discovered in this duel that it turns out swordsmanship still doesn't matter even in duels, because magic and legendary weapons are permitted. So Reinhold is completely useless.
>>29721890>>29721893I have posted 20 times more in this thread than I have in the last 75 because of this bs just git over it like Arch can't>>29721916food, cleaning, you know things the noble gilrs will Need for adventure
>>29721926>>29721932I'm not sure if Maidery training would transition well on the road.Unless they're literally stopping in Inns every night.
If we actually went on an adventure/ran away, where would you like to see them go first?Personally I'd like them to visit Krassato
>>29721930This is Marconetti, they don't care about fairness. They care about:1. Noble blood2. Looking pretty3. Power4. WinningThat's it. Monique had all those things, so they loved him. Simple as that.
>>29721930agree with every bit at worst it should have been declared a tie.
>>29721956Winning>>29721955Or the eastern nations.
>>29721003I think Marianne is a genuinely bad person. The only things she has going for is people thinking she's "tsundere" and that she's the "main girl". Meanwhile, she doesn't see us as a person and has a toxic personality. I don't see the appeal in trying to fix her. Screw that. Especially after all she said during the shitstorm with Elena. She was so terrible, and 100% in the wrong.And after her reaction when we chopped off our nuts to apologize to her? Fuck that. I don't like her.
>>29721893the problem is that archelon actually wrote it so it will be very difficult for Monique to actually suffer consequences for his actionsthings that could have been potential consequences but now won't (only a few, I'm sure there are more)1. People calling him on his shitonly a few people care, most of the governing body of a country is on Monique's side of the argument and thinks he's amazing2. Someone stealing his swordCan't. The world says its your sword3. Someone killing him and taking his swordCan't. The world says whoever kills you and all their friends can't use the sword. 4. Being disgraced in GranacheDoesn't matter, he can go to any country and be welcomed with open arms
>>29721893>It's too early to tellYup. We lost in a personal duel, not a tournament with a set prize or goal. The only thing the winner gets is satisfaction and the adoration of the crowd.The part of the crowd who loves Monique basically consist of the Marconetti nobles, and who gives two shits about any of them? The people who's opinions actually matter clearly were not impressed, if Gregory's reaction is any indication. And we haven't heard from all of them yet.So yeah, too early to tell.
>>29721952Remember that Melanie is also a country girl. She grew up on a ranch. I'm sure her skill set would allow her to act in her normal role as personal attendant even while in the wild.If other people in this quest get to be super awesome in their areas of specialty, then Melon MUST be super awesome in hers.
>>29721993I see it completely different, but I understand that you feel like that.It's an issue of how our own personalities match with the characters, personally I can't stand sylvie for instance.
>>29721997>Can't. The world says whoever kills you and all their friends can't use the sword.This isn't a huge deal that makes you want to never kill him. Reinhold for example could kill him and not care he or any of his friends could use it.
>>29721999Gregory really doesn't matter at this point, seeing as how he can't do anything without approval that he probably will never get.
>>29721916Druid/rangerOr maybe she fits the rogue archetype.We don't really know what her skills are aside from being a maid, if she has any.>>29721895>he's a petI don't think that is a correct assesment. He's seen as one by Marianne, and is no match for many named npc's, that is true, but calling him a pet is just wrong. He is certainly a class above unnamed mooks, as demonstrated in guards' unwillingness to spar with him and his fight against ninjas. He's approximately on par with monique, with the latter having an "edge" in the legendary blade.This entire shitstorm would not have happened if the duel just ended when Reinhold broke Monique's sword (again). Although there might be some posters pestering the quest with "muh mary sue" and "muh arch makes things easy for you" crowd.I for one think people are making too big a deal for losing in a fight where narrative suggested from the very start that it would be a stacked one. I suppose it would be better received if Arch just had monique learn some secret not-japanese technique rather than having an actual sealed king, but I'm going to wait until we read how monique ended up getting one before passing judgement on how bullshit that is.
>>29722018yes, but the main motivation for killing Monique would be to take the artifact. But now it doesn't matter, because someone can't kill you and take your swag anymore
Are Monique and Rein fated to never get along after this incident?
>>29721930But who realistically knows that? Peasants? Asshole nobles? Do they even know dueling rules or just that 'he won' and is now some big shot with a famous sword. As far as ignorant plebs who want any hero and power-hungry nobility who want to marry their daughters off its pretty spot on.
>>29722018Well, let's be honest. Reinhold can't kill him now. Monique has catapulted up to a level that Archelon has specifically said that Reinhold will never, ever be allowed to reach.And even if we did, Celestino would kill us for denying him a bonded sealed king that was within comparatively easy reach.
>>29722023Thierri also disliked Monique's actions, and I'd like to thing Aquaman has some say in things.
>>29722038They were already fated to never get along as soon as Reinhold punched Monique.
>>29722030Do you think it would have been better received if we did the fight in pure Monique PoV?
>>29722017I don't think the "doesn't see you as a person" can be avoided. Though I hate Marianne because of what happened with Elena and how archelon handled everything. Marianne acted like a complete prick throughout that entire scene, even after we apologized.
>>29722030> He's approximately on par with monique, with the latter having an "edge" in the legendary blade.A legendary blade that is legal in duels, and makes Monique functionally invincible and unbeatable. Outside of duels, Monique would turn Reinhold into a bloody smear within seconds thanks to magic. So no, Monique is way out of our league at this point.
Rolled 16>>29722042Actually, it could be possible to reach his level, Greg could wreck monique, sealed king or not.Just got to learn from the best, combine swordsmanship and magic, work for it. and warm up those dice
>>29722042>Monique has catapulted up to a level that Archelon has specifically said that Reinhold will never, ever be allowed to reach.Where? Monique isn't literally immortal. He can still be killed, like in his sleep.
>>29722045You could say that but I felt there could have been an incident that forces them to work together.But I don't know if Rein is forgiving enough to let him live down reveling in the destruction of a keepsake
>>29722044Aquaman has no real power over Monique now that Monique has a sealed king bonded to him. Even if Aquaman stripped him of all land and title and kicked him out, Monique could just walk on over to Celestino and be welcomed with open arms and nobility. Aquaman is powerless here too.
>>29722030I'm disappointed with the duel, but not because we won or lost. It proved that we are obsolete. Marianne, as someone with high magical ability and good training is more powerful than us despite the fact that we have trained for years with a weapon while she really didn't care about magic. Why then, do we have our position? raw swording is worthless in every way. We aren't a pet. we're Worf, or Lancer, or Kuwabara. We are a measuring stick
>>29722059> magicThat's the problem. Archelon has made any progress with magic slow enough that it would take years of real time to be anywhere near Monique in magic.
I want Rein to actually fight someone dangerous so Anon will get it out of his head that:No Magic = Useless.
>>29722099well she does like us so more pet but useful like a goldfish
>>29722110that should have been the duel though. Magic wasn't allowed in there, it should have been skill v skill. Then Monique uses magic and our superior skill is proven to not matter
>>297219971. People calling him on his shitWe don't know who is on his side of the argument. The referee suggested the duel was legal under accepted rules. Maybe if Reinhold refused to fight after sealed king was revealed we'd have the law on our side, but that did not happen.2. + 3. Those are valid points. And while killing Monique would not confer benefit of using a sealed king, it would deny Monique using it and prospectively replace it by someone else. It might still be worthwhile to Celestino.4. Getting exiled is a pretty big deal. He could be stripped of his rank. Although that seems not very plausible, and he's still an asset to the king, now even greater one.
>>29722110The reason people think that is because Archelon has written it that way. Someone "dangerous" in this setting is, by default, a mage. Look at Marie, for instance. She was only moderately into magic, and even she's superior in a fight compared to Reinhold. Even Elena could kill us easily (though she might end up hurting herself in the process). In this setting, an actually dangerous person would destroy Reinhold within seconds.
>>29722105What if he's able to use some of the time he spends with Marie in magic training instead.Like if she changed her scheldule to include magic lessons again, or even if she also helped him considering she's good at it.Also, now with the sealed king monique'll be almost stagnant, Reinhold can take some time and catch up.
>>29722069In a legit fight, we would have been insta-gibbed by that sword.
>>29722083>>29722042i think people are over-estimating the power of the sealed kings.sure they're powerful but come on, i'm pretty sure some people that we know are even more OP (and that we can reach that level with the power of love)
>>29722136different guy, but Karel told us that everyone's basically worshipping the ground Monique walks on. It was one of the reasons people got angry-they thought it'd at least be a debate
>>29722148This is exactly what I want to be either shut-down or confirmed.
>>29722023>Monique shows up at the castle for some reason or other>"Oh hello Sir Greg-">"Get out of my sight"Consequences. Sure Gregory won't be able to turn him into a puddle, but the point is Monique just ticked off a lot of powerful people, and there will be repercussions when everyone goes home to Granache. They won't happen immediately and won't be wish fulfilling rock's fall scenarios as much as some would hope. But I have full faith in archelon's writing that this will play out in a realistic manner.Arnaud might even come out of retirement again
>>29722154> and that we can reach that level No, we can't.Archelon specifically said that those characters will always be superior to us. After all, that's what he's using to bar a harem end, the fact that there are characters who we will never, ever be able to fight who would kill us if we tried.
>>29722182Gregory probably already did that, he's Gregory after all. So no, that's not a consequence.
>>29722182>arnaud challenges monique>"haha you think you can beat me? I've got a sealed king!">arnaud humiliates him using a rusty sword and a bored expression
>>29722058Except that's wrong. Monique was not invincible with the sealed king, Reinhold just failed to beat him. Outcome of a magical duel is pure conjecture at this point, although it is true we learned very little in terms of usable magic. Monique is not out of Reinhold's league.>>29722099Reinhold has his position because 1) he is good enough to protect from common threats, and princess does not need to be so vigilant all the time and 2) the king presumably thought she needs a friend of her age (so yes, a pet as well).Magic is powerful, but can be dodged, and magic users can be knocked out. Not everyone knows how to use magic.
>>29722184>Archelon specifically said that those characters will always be superior to us[citation needed]But seriously you don't just say something like that without a screencap
>>29722221Only he wouldn't be able to hurt Monique, so he wouldn't be able to win. And Monique could just encase him in walls of ice.
>>29722110Except that's wrong. People even asked him if a mundane guy can become superhuman and it was only to a certain extent. All the badasses, including Arnaud and Gregory use magic with their swordsmanship.
I made a thing.
>>29722169I think part of my current aggravation is that we just had some earth shattering events go down and we've spent pretty much two threads mumbling a few unimportant lines to a handful of people. Now is not the time to ask us four times about history lessons from grandma. Even if he had to take control from us for a bit, it would have been worth it to get a proper debriefing about what just went down.
>>29722182Consequences? He'll either get a job in Granache's capitol -- the keep his sword close by and under supervision -- or Celestino will offer him a daughter. His punishment is that he gets to work in the seat of power and schmooze with other nobles or marry a princess. Which are things he wanted anyway.
>>29722226> Monique was not invincible with the sealed kingHe was. The Sealed King prevented any injuries from actually doing any damage, making him functionally invincible for the duel.
>>29722228Wouldn't be able to hurt him?He'd certainly lose if he had no hands to hold a sword. he'll have to pay some high fees to have those reattached
>>29722240Why don't you wait and actually see what is going to happen instead of complaining about things that haven't actually happened?
>>29722163Arena spectators apparently don't work this way. Monique was the guy with grand words and grandstanding, he was losing at the start, which might have won him even more sympathy, he showed off some cool effects and a legendary weapon and was still standing when Reinhold fell. Doesn't mean he can't still be declared cheater afterwards though, although I doubt that would happen.
>>29722235You're the same guy as the daily reminder one, right? Stop it. Your opinions are not universal. The "this is a harem VN" was something that was repeatedly said and pushed for like a dozen threads until arch found it funny and went along with making jokes about a VN
>>29722235Good job anon
>>29722232People essentially think we'll get jobbed instantly in a fight if the other guy is capable of using magic.and we don't know for sure when we're basically a competent [?] Swordsman with some minor utility magic.
>>29722259match was already appealed. the duel's result is set
>>29722246The sword can stop his ribs from being broken. It can stop him from bleeding. It can literally stop mortal wounds from killing you. Arnaud wouldn't be able to cut off his hands. Or anything else for that matter.
>>29722253What else do you honestly see happening? Enlighten me.
>>29722261>The "this is a harem VN" It's not, though, and he's not saying it is.It's influenced by VN Themes. That's all. And Most VN's aren't haremshit anyway.
>>29722235Mr. Freeze puns will never get old.
>>29722253>Why don't you wait and actually see what is going to happen instead of complaining about things that haven't actually happened?You mean in 30 threads?
>>29722274But for how long?
>>29722261You're the kind of person who would nail a man to a tree simply for him saying that it would be nice for people to just get along.
>>29722278One could say they're always cool
>>29722259Archelon already said as QM that all of his actions were legitimate. Then, in character, we heard that the judge had also declared Monique's win legit. It's already done.
>>29722242Having an advantage is not the same as being invincible. We could've just cut his hand off. We simply didn't get a hit in when it was required. After the revelation of the sealed king, we lost two rolls out of three, which would make us lose even a regular duel. This one was just a bit harder.
>>29722279We've gone through at least 2 threads and we've pretty much accomplished nothing and didn't advance the story.It'll take a lot more than that.
>>29722287So you're saying he's a Jew?
>>29722275Monique won't marry Luciana, if he does marry a Princess it'll be someone we don't care about. He won't have a job that involves him being in the palace, pretty much the entire Granache crowd hates his guts. He might even be kept on the border.
>>29722278They'll never get cold
>>29722286Long enough to wall Arnaud in with solid ice, and break his weapon through freezing.
>>29722303He's a roman
>10 story posts>1.2 K repsonses>Drove the QM off like 600 posts agoAre you guys on crack or what?
>>29722305Our little circle hates him, but just about everybody else loves him.
>>29722287>you're a shit personGreat, thanks for telling me that. That was very constructive. Better I get called that than see someone try to put in his own opinions while pretending to be unbiased and speaking for everyone.
>>29722235Not bad. Not bad at all. Although people it's aimed for will not read this anyway.
>>29722311And how are you so certain of this?
>>29722301> We could've just cut his hand off.No we couldn't have. Injuries don't do anything. His ribs, despite being broken, were held in place. Even if he sliced through his wrist in a manner that would cut off a normal person's hand, the sword could keep that hand attached through magic.
>>29722315the shitposters left, so we decided to have civil conversations about things that usually cause shitposting. Now it's started to get a little hostile again, since people are upset about the duel still. We had a nice conversation about waifus and how we could get into adventuring though
>>29722315No QTG so people are talking about the post-thread shitstorm here
>>29722326Pretty certain. Magic trumps swordsmanship in this setting. It's as simple as that.
>>29722324Chill dude, what he said isn't in any way more offensive than what you said.
>>29722335His ribs were broken just before we passed out, and are not exactly visible. Sword cutting through a body and it keeping itself together by energy would be disqualifying.
>>29722345But you don't know for 100% sure.and the Narrative has not proven this to us yet.Are we in agreement?
>>29722345Arnaud has magic too, you chucklefuck. He's magic *and* a swordsman, like Greg.And apparently, he's hilariously good at both.
>>29722311If you hit them hard enough even Possession Mode won't stop you from going down. This is Arnaud.Remember, it was possible to actually take him down, there's a limit to how much it can take.This isn't a duel we're talking about, if Arnaud was actually fighting Monique he could zap Monique into a crisp. And honestly Arnaud could probably just kick his ass with nothing but swordsmanship, he knows how to dodge the ice attacks, not get trapped by ice walls, and just stick the squishy wielder of the blade in the gut a dozen times. And then he cleans up the mess because he's a god damn butler.
>>29722345Arnaud would still win though. If Monique pulls out the bullshit of a Sealed king he'd probably just say something like pic related and start rocking countermagic
>>29722360But his magic is not the variety that is allowed in duels, because it doesn't come from his sword. That's a loophole that favors Monique so heavily it's not even funny.
>>29722345You are just taking your feels and stating them as facts.You don't know how possession works, you only think you do.You don't know how close Reinhold came to beating Monique, but because you failed, you think it's impossible.I'm pretty sure Karel would have won against Monique even if the sword did not refuse to pour his anesthetic into him.
>>29722378But Arnaud is grandfathered in to older swordsmanship rules, since we already know Monique's grandfather wrote some of the modern dueling rules because of Arnaud
>>29722305Monique has a WMD, which means that any political figure has to deal with him and has accommodate him because he represents an undeniable power that they could have available to them.For Thierri, this means that he'll likely want Monique close, which means a posing in the capitol, if not the palace proper. It doesn't matter if Marianne dislikes him. It doesn't matter if Gregory hates him. He's got a Sealed King and we got to deal with it.Same with Celestino. Benedette is over thirty while Luci is close to Monique in age. She's the logical choice for getting him into Marconetti.
>>29722386>because of ArnaudSo badass
>>29722356> Sword cutting through a body and it keeping itself together by energy would be disqualifying.They discovered the ribs thing and still declared it to be legal, so no. Possession mode's immunity to harm is completely legal. Archelon said as much himself.
>>29722392he did mention he's the reason they banned Lightning magic, at the very least
>>29722393Actually he said the possession mode is legalbut the rest was open to debate, including the life support.
>>29722378That is a legitimate concern that skews balance of tournament fights heavily in favor of sealed king owners. For practical purposes it's irrelevant, but I suppose it makes for interesting exhibition fights between rich nobles.It's still nothing to be upset about when we agreed to it.From reinhold's perspective the duel was worth it even if just for the chance to test himself against a sealed king anyway.
>>29722403And then he settled the debate by saying that had been ruled legal.
>>29722228>Only he wouldn't be able to hurt Monique, so he wouldn't be able to win. And Monique could just encase him in walls of ice.Oh please. You are vastly overestimating the power the sword grants to Monique. Reinhold is clearly the superior swordsman and in physical terms Monique only managed a phyrric victory, even WITH the use of magic.Monique's magic can't hold a candle to any of the big players in Granache. They would smear him all over the ground in a serious fight. Encasing a sword in ice isn't going to stop Gregory. Blocking your opponent with walls of ice isn't going to stop Vincent. Hell even Arianne or Niklaus could vapourize him without breaking a sweat and stay out of sword range the entire time.So it's not going to matter much what kind of sword Monique is holding if Arnaud cuts his hands off in the first 10 seconds.
>>29722400lolYou can use sword magic, unless you're Arnaud.I guess dickery just runs through Gilbeaut bloodline
>>29722410However it does mean that Reinhold is useless in the one area that he might have had any sort of purpose: dueling. If magic is allowed, then Reinhold loses. And because apparently it's allowed everywhere, Reinhold is useless everywhere.
>>29722426>10 secondsmassively underestimating Arnaud there, I think
>>29722390And monique could just as easily be assassinated and the sword confiscated.
Can we at least agree that this would have been a less brutal shitstorm if there seemed to have been an actual bad outcome from this fight for Monique?That's the main problem I'm having- I can't see of any bad results- his injuries don't count as they'll be healed, and if we'd done any lasting damage I'm sure we would have been told.
>>29722445>inb4 flash>inb4 attosecond
>>29722426Yeah, that's great. Only none of that matters for Reinhold, who has no magic to use. Again, this raises the problem that Monique has, by virtue of having that sword, jumped up to a level that we simply have no way of reaching because we will never have anything like a sealed king.
>>29722390You're repeating yourself. Don't worry so much, it'll work out.
>>29722449basically thisthe complete lack of anything negative even being contemplated is why at least most of the people are still mad about the whole thing.Honestly, if the whole thing had been declared a wash there probably wouldn't have been any shitstorm
>>29722448Reinhold could also spontaneously discover that he's awesome at lightning magic. They're about as likely to happen.
>>29722437This- we can never have an actual rematch against the guy. For as much talk as there is about improving one's self, Reinhold trained with Arnaud for a month, IIRC, before leaving out.Sure, we can improve swordsman-wise, but so can Monique- and he'll just continue wrecking our shit with his freeze everything sword. He'd have to dodge every blow, because as of now he'll probably just freeze-break out sword and DQ us in the future.We have no chance of ever getting a fair rematch for his bullshit.
>>29722465Anon asked and I answered. I'm a bit concerned about the shitstorm that will hit if I'm right.
>>29722463>no magicRein is learning, he has clay shot and all thatJust need to go back to Granache and...go full Vegeta
>>29722437>he lost one fight against an opponent he was not expecting or prepared to fight>still comes close to winning>therefore he is uselessI really don't know how you arrived at this conclusion. Nevermind that he is quite capable of handling himself in a regular fight where he lords over non-magic users.And he can bake a cake
>>29722491always be second best and never accomplish anything because we aren't the hero, then die a lot?
>>29722449Not has he not faced any negative consequences, he CANNOT face any negative consequences. Sure, people high up in Granache don't like him, but they can't do anything about it because he's got a sealed king and they'll want to keep him close. So either Aquaman's going to be Monique's new best friend. Or, failing that, Monique can always go to Celestino and be welcomed with open arms, because Celestino would want a sealed king to help in the potential war with his neighbors. So no one will want to get on Monique's bad side. And they can't kill him to take the sword, because of the way sealed kings work, so Monique doesn't have to fear people trying to steal it or murder him for the sword.
>>29722471If another nation were worried about the sealed king then assassination would be a pretty viable option. Perticullarly the slave trading nation that doesnt like marconetti (cant remember the name)
>>29722500Nah, train like a crazy asshole.Being second best in PGQ is impossible, considering there's Arnaud, Greg, Thierri, Celestino, but it'd be a nice accomplishment
>>29722355Yeah, no.>You're the same guy as the daily reminder one, right? Stop it. Your opinions are not universal. The "this is a harem VN" was something that was repeatedly said and pushed for like a dozen threads until arch found it funny and went along with making jokes about a VNVersus>You're the kind of person who would nail a man to a tree simply for him saying that it would be nice for people to just get along.
>>29722485Cause we can't get a magical sword like Carol?
>>29722491At the rate Arch is letting us learn, it will take years in real time to improve to Monique's level. And there's nothing stopping him from also getting better while we try to play catch up. He's just got too much of a lead for Reinhold to ever matter.
>>29722514that's truewhich is why i'd totally call us Krillin instead of VegetaMonique is Yamcha. We're just not to DBZ yet, so he's still relevant
>>29722410From reinhold's perspective the duel was worth it even if just for the chance to test himself against a sealed king anyway. o yea Reinhold is fucking over joyed, sword break sucks.its us the players who are up set over all the bullshit.>>29722504well if we were playing Monique no one would be complaining
>>29722520It was pointed out last thread that even his sword probably wouldn't be enough to deal with a sealed king.
>>29722526Are you saying he'll blow up and then get NTRd?I like this.
>>29722261Am not.Also added something that Archelon repeatedly hammered over the course of the quest.
>>29722534exactly what I'm saying. and also that we'll get to be happy with a wife and kids, as well as being constantly in the top 5 strongest people ever
>>29722524I'm fan of the theory the repeated use of the sealed king and the possession mode will make his actual skill irrelevant/stagnated. And I doubt the sword can actually get stronger, so...
>>29722546And Rein's wife will be partially artificial? tinaaaa
>>29722552it will, actually. As Monique uses it and it absorbs magic, more of its power will slowly unlock. That was said this thread, even.
>>29722449>>29722504>oh noes, he has a cool sword>that means he's awesome special snowflake and nothing bad can happen to himBullshit. Are you autistic, or do you have no friends and family?Being disrespected for being an ass is in itself a very bad consequence. His brother might be unhappy with him. His family might get the shit unless they do decide to pack up and move out. Even if they do, they will suffer for being exiles, even if they might end up in a more comfy position in another kingdom.And finally, so what if he doesn't get punished?The world is not fair. This is a story so I'm sure there will be some regret or reconciliation somewhere along the line, but the world is full of undeserved good fortunes going to people who won them by cheating, deceit or outright murder. Do you an hero because of that? Wrongdoers sometime do escape punishment and live happily ever after.
>>29722520Archelon said that it probably wouldn't have been enough, and were it not for Monique keeling over when possession mode ended, Karel would likely have lost.
>>29722532Pointed out by who?>>29722504Since when were sealed kings important to kingdoms? Duelists cared because it broke rules but why the hell would Theirri or Celestino care? Possession mode and ice wall?
>>29722546wife ?fear of sex/relationshipskids? not only not good with them but abused as a child makes him incredibly unlikely too want any>>29722559Tina only girls for us.... now she is dead.....
>>29722577> The world is not fairGreat. You keep repeating this, but that doesn't make it a good argument.Sure, the world isn't fair. But you know what? This isn't the world. It's a quest. And you know what quests should be? They should be something other than a useless player character getting beaten over the head with how useless they are, while the people doing the beating enjoy lives of luxury, fame, and fortune with zero downsides. And that's what this is turning into.
>>29722592> Pointed out by who?I believe it might have been Emilio, but I'll go back and check. This was after we woke up.
>>29722595Getting over his fears and traumas should be something to strive for, anonin my opinion it'd be perfect for him and Marianne to defeat their respective issues together.
>>29721747>Takamaru: Katana SwordieI'd class him as a magic woodchipper, but I guess yours works too.
>>29722595we need to talk with other characters about this 'fear of sex/relationships' We had one flashback and have been using it to justify being indecisive for about 90 threads. It's time to either deal with it or roleplay it consistently, not just bring it up to prevent tripping flags we don't want
>>29722612>magic woodchipper
>>29722608>>29722592Found ithttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/29695152/#p29697533Karel's flamberge probably wouldn't have been enough.
>>29722577Look- the people of the kingdom like Monique- his story and great victory will spread AND he's made friends with the royalty of the Asian equivalent Kingdom- they'd easily be accepted to move in there, or anywhere, really. Sealed kings are apparently a really big deal, and Celestino was EXCITED to see one. Excited.It's likely we'll see him try to hitch Luci to Monique.as for->And finally, so what if he doesn't get punished?>The world is not fair. This is a story so I'm sure there will be some regret or reconciliation somewhere along the line, but the world is full of undeserved good fortunes going to people who won them by cheating, deceit or outright murder. Do you an hero because of that? Wrongdoers sometime do escape punishment and live happily ever after.This is a narrative story in which we are playing the protagonist. Not real life. Having a complete loss like this is a big deal and Reinhold has been harmed significantly by the villain in an emotional way- who we will unlikely be able to get retribution upon- kind of a big deal in the narrative. Secondly, it's bad writing to let a villain have no comeuppance whatsoever for his actions,which so far seems to be the case.
>>29722632I'm still hoping they all run away to adventure.
>>29722529>From reinhold's perspective the duel was worth it even if just for the chance to test himself against a sealed king anyway.wile yes the intention was to test one self against a Sealed King Monique also broke Volker's swordVolker was one of the few good thing of Rein's childhood and he just symbolically lost him a second timeI see Rein being really angry at this
>>29722639it really is the best option to flesh out the characters moreand it lets them show how strong they are too-we stay in the cities, they'll always be overshadowed by their parents and teachers
Why was everyone so assblasted? I've been trying to figure it out, but I guess I'm just denser than Reinhold.
>>29722632>he's made friends with the royalty of the Asian equivalent KingdomI don't know... we still don't know how they reacted to his little outburst after breaking our sword.Also Matthias.
>>29722601>inb4 mary sueOh I agree. But again, people are freaking out over Monique having a sealed king like he won everything forever despite the person in question presently being treated with broken ribs, beaten up by the guy who apparently had absolutely no chance of posing a threat to him.>beating how useless they areThis is bullshit. Getting wrecked was one bad thing that happened to Reinhold since start of this quest and he still ended up ahead in terms of anything that actually mattered except for having a snazzy sword. Or any sword for that matter. And you and your ilk treat it as if he was raped repeatedly into all orifices, so were all his friends, the Granache castle razed to the ground and the country taken over by the slavers and Gilbeauts named governors of the place.>while people doing the beating enjoy lives of luxury and fame and fortunebecause those are the best things in life>with zero downsideslol
>>29722647basically because Monique won like a douchebag and seems to have been commended for it, making Reinhold seem useless since he isn't very good at magic
>>29722642perhaps we can re forge with our magic bracelet as a simile of our growth and over coming our relationship hangups, and get a magic sword equivalent of the green lanterns ring
>>29722652this is a fairly good point-if it's like real world Japan, deliberately breaking someone's sword is massively dishonorable since it's seen to hold the will of one's ancestors
>Oh boy, these night crew shifts are tough, but I finally got a couple nights off! I hope PGQ is running when I wake up>mfw people are still so mad they finally drove off ArchelonMan, I enjoy this quest, why can't you all just chill for a couple of threads? Imagine trying to write an novel in real life, but with eight people constantly debating the value of every single word you write, and two more people calling you shit no matter WHAT you write, just because they don't like the fact that you're writing.Reading PGQ is fun and I'd like for there to BE a PGQ to read
>>29722665People are actually mad about that? Huh. Well I don't understand them, but I'll take your word for it.
>>29722680Things will work out anon, Arch will be back and hopefully we'll be able to make a thread that doesn't turn into a shitstorm
>>29722679and seeing as how he said that he know how important that sword was to us...really I just want to know how the Kinsin royal's and Monique's brother feel about this.
>>29722632I'd just like to point out we have not seen Masaharu's reaction to Monique's triumph and how he reached it, and he might not be thrilled with his conduct either.Neither was this a complete loss for Reinhold (although losing the sword to his own stubbornness is, as >>29722642 pointed out, a big deal) and talking about other consequences for monique is premature.
>>29722680He's not trying to write a novel. He's trying to run an RPG. He screwed up and shit all over his players, so now they're pretty mad about it.
>>29722682Not him, but I'd assume these people were also angry that Vader cut off Luke's hand, or that Frodo wasn't able to completely resist the call of the One Ring. Because, you know, it's not like main characters can ever lose or fail, that's ALWAYS just the author's bullshit.>>29722703Fucking Gary Stu Magic Rings, amiright?Wh-what do you mean "STORY", ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT I - er, I mean THE PROTAGONIST ALWAYS WINS, RIGHT
>>29722653he was TENTACLE raped repeatedly into all orifices, so were all his friends, the Granache castle razed to the ground and the country taken over by the slavers and Gilbeauts named governors of the place.>>how I secretly hope this ends
This was sad. When i saw 1300+ posts i was hoping maybe a good thread with lots of happenings. Instead i got Arch rage-quitting.Well, hope to see you soon Arch.
>>29722695Not if people continue to be butthurt about not having their way, we won't. Getting a beating is just unacceptable, regardless of reasons, and we need a harem ending to accomodate every waifu.
>>29722680i think he had a headache or something, guess the pill finally wore off and drove him mad.arc should be the one to chill out, as players are always in heat
>>29722706Vader didn't win because of bullish magic he just kicked ass don't lower him ass face.
>>29722728I'm actually starting to get really concern concerned about the outside circumstances he has been alluding toHe's perfectly healthy right?right?
>>29722706Some people are mad about that, yes.. I'll repeat, since I know I've said this before: he robbed the players of agency when he could just as easily have written the duel up as a long prose piece and posted it.You can be sarcastic and edgy all you want. It's fine. But gaming involves an implicit social contract, and arch broke it. Might as well hold him accountable.The quest could be salvaged if he would get out in front of things, but this thread had no forward progress for the plot. Until we get that, this won't go away.
>>29722680I'd take this as a compliment, because people are invested enough into this to cause this kind of reaction.
>>29722747he's actually dying and just running this quest to preserve the world he imagined.
>>29722769> running a quest from the ICU bed
>>29722756>He robbed players of agencyThis is false. Players had the choice to refuse to fight after sealed king has been revealed, but chose not to. Players had the choice to yield after their sword has been frozen, but chose to press on, trading the valuable weapon for a saving throw. And the outcome of the fight itself was determined by pseudorandom number generator with odds in favor of losing, but not without chance of winning.
>>29722756>Robbed the players of agencyHe gave us a choice nearly every post/every other post, and the duel wasn't that long. It's not his fault /tg/ is braindead. Writing it up as a prose piece WOULD be robbing the players of agency.>Arch broke an implicit social contractWhat did he break? Giving us choices to break our freedom when you instead wanted him to take away choice to give us more control? Oh, you're baiting, I get it.
>>29722787I disagree. The narrative called for us to lose to the reveal of the Sealed King, and that's what happened. None of the rolls actually mattered. If you're going to use GM fiat, then be honest about it.
>>29722706the point for many player is not just the Rein lost but that they felt cheated because the antagonist have many different powers that we just learned after fact that he had and were legal in duelto make tings worst he probably will suffer no downside for what he was done and Rein is never get any recognition for almost beating a guy with a sealed king and that make it all seems uselessI don't agree with all of this but can see were some people are coming from
>>29722697People are never actually swayed from their positions by these things. The people who went in liking Monique will continue to like Monique, with very few exceptions. Masaharu didn't know very much about the nuances of dueling, so all he really knows is that Monique was nice to him before and Monique won in the end. I don't think his position will have changed.
>>29722811>narrative called for us to losecitation needed>none of the rolls actually matteredcitation neededWhy don't you face the problem like a man and admit that you are wrong and have no evidence and only baseless assumptions?
>>29722787I (personally, may not be true for others) don't think it would have been in-character to walk away from the sealed king though.For the going on while injured part though I wanted Rein to get cut up a bit to hit at Mary a little before we try and break it to her what kind of position we're put in. Although in retrospect I'm guessing she would have been just as guilty had Rein walked away after his sword was broken to pieces.
>>29722828Not that anon but what kind of citation could he possibly pull up for the former? Isn't it just a statement of opinion?
>>29722811>The narrative called for us to lose, and it didSo it's a PROBLEM that Arch changed it from IMPOSSIBLE to ACTUALLY POSSIBLE?If we had rolled better, we would have won. I know for a fact that Arch said rolling better when we hit Monique in the back would have had him down for the count.>>29722812>he will suffer no downsideEVERYONE WHO MATTERS THAT WE'VE HAD A POV WITH, HATES HIM>Rein never gets recognitionWe JUST woke up, we've only talked to a couple of people. It's been a couple of threads, but the progress is relatively slow.
>>29722812Reinhold has already received recognition from his friends.As far as I'm concerned, that is only that matters. None of them have looked down on him losing to the legendary artifact. Well, losing the sword is a thing as well, but that was the price of being stubborn.
Since this thread is almost dead, I want to get this in before its gone. Some people haven't read cosgrove's summation of why people are pissed, and I think it's decently on target.> well, this is my input- you run great character interactions, but there's a number of factors that's a problem. The main one, though, is that as far as I can feel- a good number of players feel cheated. This is no likely you intent, but this is, as far as I can see- how they see it. > You've done foreshadowing to this reveal, which was well done, but here's ultimately the problem the players see- this is the first time they're able to see Reinhold's ability to fight in a way similar to how he got his job in a way that really matters. Everything of this story arc feels like it's built up to this fight, and then the rival pulls out the final boss weapon and one shots them, then is congratulated and given angel blowjobs for winning the superpower lottery, and is loved by everyone, when the whole thing was planned to destroy the main character’s heirloom. That’s how they feel. > The rules change right before this was, perhaps, not the best decision, but I see why you did it, but the players see that you’ve done all you can to cripple their chances of victory. And then you begin revealing tidbits you’ve already worked out, but all they see it as is that you’re quickly throwing these out of nowhere to justify the antagonist’s victory in every form. Without some form of significant comeuppance for the rival, they’re likely not to let this slide. (1/2)
>>29722841Well, he could bring in screenshot from IRC when Arch is wickedly gloating "Oh wow how I showed those morons they think they could have won".>>29722832I agree. I'm actually happy with the outcome of the duel, maybe except insisting on those two final rolls, and am curious how monique got his hand on the sword waifu.
>>29722861Cont.> This is, also, without taking into consideration that there are a lot of factions already at conflict here. One of which is the fact that the players, it seems to me, feel that it is pointless to do anything without magic and that there’s no chance of avenging their entirely premeditated loss to said antagonist due to said antagonist having said final weapon- which in and of itself touches upon one more thing. The players feel that magic wins, by default. The players feel like magic does everything better and that their own physical abilities are not important compared to the pursuit of magic, which they view as the ‘way to win.’ A normal master swordsman would just lose to a mage, period. As such, they feel like their character, without mad magical skills, isn’t really there to be a guard, but a pet to entertain the princess.> This comes back to something that was told to me, back when I ran bleach quest and there’s a clusterfuck every other thread- "You need to let the players feel like they’ve accomplished something- they need to feel like their hard work has finally paid off."
>>29722828Because the only 'citation' is arch's word and anyone who's upset about this whole thing doesn't trust him.Why don't you admit that the amount of ill will over this affair is indicative of an actual problem instead of blindly sticking your head in the sand?
>>29722872Not him, but>the amount of ill will over this affair is indicative of an actual problemIs correct, and>anyone who's upset about this whole thing doesn't trust him.is the problem
>>29722872I couldn't put it better than >>29722880
>>29722880I have no trust for arch at the moment, but I don't want this to kill the quest. Unfortunately, if he doesn't either pick up the pace or have something truly terrible happen to Monique to soothe the player base's egos, then it probably will.
>>29722851I only saw then being worried and telling us that we went to farmany of them being scared of who far we went that far also Rank down
>>29722906That shows that they care. We've also been told that Reinhold held his own pretty well considering the disadvantageous situation he's been in, and his opponent has been called out on his bullshit before even leaving the arena.
>>29722861>>29722871Oh wow. That was actually good. Cosgrove surprised me with that.>Without some form of significant comeuppance for the rival, they’re likely not to let this slide.Monique PoV where Setsuranka bitches at him the whole time as he shits blood in a hospital bed?
>>29722880>>29722872Seriously.When people were like "WAAH HOW COME MONIQUE IS STILL STANDING, MUH BACK ATTACK"Arch revealed that his insides were silly-putty and Setsuranka stopped protecting him as soon as Karel challenged him.When people were like>WAAAH HOW COME THE DICK ASS NOBLES AND COMMONERS WE DON'T KNOW AND DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT LIKE HIMArch revealed that basically everyone that Reinhold has gotten to know and care about wants to turn him into paste.When people are arguing>WAAH NOBODY CARES THAT WE DID SO WELL AGAINST A DEMIGOD SWORDArch STARTS to bring in character after character, but gets caught up in the shitposts, but not before even our goddamn granny says "Boy, it sure sucked to watch you get hurt, but you did damn good, Volker'd be proud."Now it's >WAAAAAH ARCH HASN'T MADE MY BOOBOOS FEEL BETTER>OH WAIT HE LEFT>WAAAAH ARCH LEFTY'all niggas just need to let the guy WRITE.You don't call a plothole on something which isn't resolved yet - it ain't DONE.Monique PROBABALLY WILL get comeuppance - but you aren't letting Arch GET there. It's a SLOW quest.Which is why I say, once againYall niggas need to CHILL
>>29722935I don't think a Monique POV chapter would go over well right now.
>>29722931ok let's see that how things go from now on>>29722847chill out dude I said that I don't agree with everything and I'm not taking anyone nor am I hurt about this just pointing things outalso take a look at this >>29722861>>29722871
>>29722935>>29722950I was entirely expecting us to wake up with him on the neighboring hospital bed.kinda surprised to be honest.
>>29722950What about a Matthias PoV chapter?
>>29722981That would have led to Strike Witches Quest levels of decision making. I'm kind of sad it didn't happen.
>>29722994Us shooting into the air and yelling?
>>29722847Rolling well on the saving throw we got after getting skewered was not the preferred way of winning and we'd still lose the sword though.Main point duelfags seem to ignore is that we lost the actual fight after the big reveal. There were three rolls necessary and we failed two of them. Had it been a spar with Nicolette, we would have lost just as much, just damage would be smaller due to training weapons being used.
>>29722981It wasn't surprising at all. Gregory was screaming about killing Monique. Celestino probably figured that at least one or two more of Reinhold's friends felt similarly and so King C decided that maybe putting Monique somewhere that those people would be visiting was unwise.
>>29722989It could be interesting. It would let us see what Monique is up to in a different way than we normally would.
>>29723007>three rolls necessarymeant to say there were three rolls called for. Presumably 2 out of 3 would mean victory.
>>29723007Thing was, those two failures made all the successes up until that point completely and totally irrelevant, and made the 20 and 18 that came after it also completely and totally irrelevant. So the only way we were going to win that fight was by getting all successes, which was highly unlikely.
>>29722861>when the whole thing was planned to destroy the main character’s heirloom. That’s how they feel.We could have bowed out like 3 times, Arch did the GM equivalent of "Are you sure about that?" twice.And people kept going because they wanted to be the shonen protag.
>>29723003Specifically, every decision we ever made.
>>29723003While piss drunk, of course.
>>29722613I guess Citrine would be the best place to start.
>>29723020Probably not, considering none of our other successes mattered. Why would having one more matter?
>>29723026> Arch did the GM equivalent of "Are you sure about that?" twice.I don't recall a time where it could have been in character for Rein to jump ship but that whole fucking thread was a blur.
I think the fact that the final roll was an 18 and we got slapped in the back of the head like it was nothing also made people feel like the rolls didn't matter.
>>29723061When the sword was revealed we had a chance to quit, when we got our sword shattered we could quit.
>>29723038So how many rockets can we fit in the bay of a p-61?
>>29723071I meant chances to quit before our sword was kill.We literally had one decision after he turned our sword into a popsicle.
>>29723071So you're saying that we acted like an anime-hero Determinator and got punished for it?
>>29723023>irrelevantNot true.Up until that point, Reinhold could have lost without even learning that Monique has a sealed king. In hindsight, maybe it would have been preferable.The rolls done afterwards were saving throws. I guess it didn't help that new crit-reducing system has been implemented, but we did get to see consequences of breaking Monique's ribs.
>>29723092We've basically been punished for every anime styled decision we've made really despite the player base repeating that it's a VN quest and therefore must adhere to VN tropes.
>>29723071The decision after our sword got shattered didn't end up doing anything. Monique just automatically bopped us on the head and we went down. The only other time we had the option was when it was revealed, and at that point Monique had bullied the judge into letting the sealed king in, so it would have been a straight up forfeit and loss. And at the time, we didn't know that the magic from the sword was, in fact, legal. And without that magic, Monique would have lost.
>>29723092Pretty much.I don't think in-character Rein would have went out anytime before the swordbreak though.Too excited over the prospect of a sealed king to bow out.Unwilling to surrender to his ego when we were a Reinsicle before shattering our sword on his ribs.I guess you could say everyone's view of Rein is different but I just can't see it.
>>29723084We could have quit after sealed king was revealed>implying we wouldWe could have quit after getting sword frozen>had we done that we would still have both sword and wolf rank, but monique would be in better shapeWe could have quit after breaking monique's ribs when he did not stay out cold.
>>29723098It is in fact completely true. Those successes did absolutely nothing to contribute to winning. Zero. Nothing. They were just marking time to the big reveal, after after that the only rolls that mattered were the two failures, with the "successes" being ignored.
>>29723119I hope that when Marianne lays into us we break out the "If we don't test our limits, how can know how far we can go?" line.
>>29723072>not taking fuel
>>29723122>need to beat a small boss before moving on to the big boss>beating a small boss did nothing to contribute to defeating the big boss
The time that we could have quit and still salvaged our sword was when Monique first revealed the sealed king.At that point, we didn't really have a reason to back down. We still believed (wrongly) that magic was banned. We didn't know that the sword allowed Monique to legally ignore all injuries and use magic to create ice walls and freeze our sword with that magic. Archelon didn't spring those rules on us until after the fact.
>>29723141>taking fuel instead of beer
>>29723134>I really hoped I would get to using a limit breaker before running out of HP
>>29723142Only no one was defeated. Monique certainly wasn't. He wasn't injured and he wasn't even winded.
Look, I just think its shitty to introduce a sword without peer (yes there's 26, but each one's different ) in the hands of your dickish rival to the swordsman MC who already struggles to match the rest of the cast with the knowledge they'll never have a rival blade.
>>29723142We didn't beat anyone. That entire fight was "keep rolling until you fail, at which point you lose, regardless of past successes."
>>29723152>I figured if my HP was low enough, I'd go into Trance mode.
>>29723153Sigh. His sword was broken, if it was a regular fight, we would have won there and then. But it was actually a boss fight and we just moved to the next stage, which we failed.
I kinda wish Karel slapped Monique's ass around a little before his Sword Waifu dropped the trance act.I feel like Anon wouldn't be so mad.
>>29723122this post is actual evidence that most people just reads what they want and not what is actually posted by arch.dear god man.
>>29723159Your opinion of how the mechanics of the fight works has exactly as much value as mine.Except that I think mine makes more sense and yours is made up only to justify your butthurt at losing.
>>29723162And then what? Each success just results in moving on to yet another stage, where you have yet another chance to fail. And even if you succeed, that just means you roll again, and can potentially fail again. The problem with that fight was there was no actual progress. No positive benefit from success beyond lasting long enough to roll again and possibly fail again. We weren't getting any closer to winning, because nothing we did actually harmed Monique.
>>29723134quest is ogre.
>>29723162This wasn't a boss fight, it was a scripted event to show the players that the main character can loose and in fact not even nearly the hottest shit even in his own weight class.
>>29723180> Except that I think mine makes more sense and yours is made up only to justify your butthurt at losing.And I think mine makes more sense and yours is made up to justify your belief that archelon is infallible.
>>29723198here we go.
>>29723191Well there is no reason why to think there would be another stage after beating monique in his final form unless you think that he'd pull another sealed king out of his ass and dual wield them.I suspect arch had the encounter planned as two consecutive encounters and only added two more saves at Anon's refusal to fight. With appropriate difficulty and consequences.
>>29723120>implying we wouldThat's still on your choices, Rein was perfectly capable of calling bullshit and walking off.
>>29723162> boss fightIt wasn't a fight, it was more like a person walking into a boxing match with a gun and just shooting his opponent.
>>29723212> Well there is no reason why to think there would be another stage after beating monique in his final formBeating Monique wasn't possible from the start. This isn't an issue of forms or stages. This is an issue of "he had damage immunity on from the start, and we could never actually hurt him."
>>29723191Except for his bones and internal organs, another hit and he would have been gone.
>>29723212>refusal to quit*>>29723198>I know because I know>>29723205You are certainly within your rights to believe that. You'd have to otherwise take my word for it that I don't think Arch is infallible and screwed up in a few cases like casting spells in Marianne's room or snapping at her against players' intention, but this one was not one of such cases.You've just made up your mind that Arch has determined this duel would be a loss and there is no way of changing it.
>>29723233He was able to opine about his victory, trade words with Karel, and then almost start another fight. The only reason he collapsed was because Setsuranka said "you had your fight, you're not getting another one" and stopped supporting him. He could have lasted for quite a while. More importantly, failing at least a few rolls was inevitable, luck doesn't hold out forever. So all Arch did was keep the fight going, and the moment we failed a roll, we lost. The only way to succeed was to succeed every single roll, which is an absurd requirement.
>>29723242> You've just made up your mind that Arch has determined this duel would be a loss and there is no way of changing it.And you've made up your mind that this duel was something other than a scripted set piece and there is no way of changing it.
>>29723242>but this one was not one of such cases.>You've just made up your mind that Arch has determined this duel would be a loss and there is no way of changing it.His >opinion is about as (un)supported by solid evidence as yours.
I hate the fact that archelon reads his threads and cares about the criticism enough to stop threads. He's just feeding the negative atmosphere by responding at all, and his breaks from ignoring it absolutely wrecks any semblance of order that exists here.He should only respond to questions about the quest from this point, and never complain aloud because it makes everything a hundred times worse. The fact that people can copy paste fake irc conversations and have their legitimacy be unquestioned for about an hour is unacceptable. Complain to a fake audience in an empty irc chat.
>>29723281We could have quit when he brought the sealed king, claiming that there's no honour in a fight where the opponent brings such a powerful weapon against you.
Would it have changed anything if we had chosen spectators' PoV?
>>29723264Again, you presume to know mechanics of the fight. Maybe you're right, but OP's own words speak against it. We know one roll had slim chance of knocking the opponent out entirely which suggests limits to cheating sword magic.I still think that the victory in the duel escaped Reinhold by one, or at most two fairly difficult rolls after the sword has been revealed to be a king. There is no way to prove either of us right or wrong unless OP turns up and says how it was.
>>29723296We had no way of knowing that the Sealed King would allow Monique to use magic. Archelon didn't make that ruling until after the fact. At that point, it was a great sword, yes, but it was still just a sword. We didn't know that it also made him impervious to harm and allowed him to use ice magic against us and our sword. If we had known that was a risk, people might have decided differently, but Archelon concealed that from us until after the sword got broken.
>>29723296but then we wouldn't get to fight agents such a strong weapon
>>29723289I've never claimed otherwise. Maybe he's even right, but that would suggest Arch was lying when he said the encounter could be beaten and if the QM is lying, why the fuck would I follow his quest?
>>29723319We knew magical swords were allowed, and Monique did not use any magic until the reveal. After the reveal we agreed to fight without even asking.
>>29723291He has to read the thread in his entirety to find the questions.Unless we all agree to use "Question, Archelon:" and he just ctrl-f and filters the inevitable trolls.I feel silly just typing it out.
