What sort of countryside are we in, and what kind of arrows do we have?

Why tell us if we have a bow, if it's going to be unstrung as we are traveling?

>>29612161
Shoot the horse, duh

We can club the knight and threaten them with our knife

>>29612161

>What sort of countryside are we in

Let's say a rolling plain.

>what kind of arrows do we have

Three broadheads, three bodkins

Run the fuck away.

If he's clad in plate but the horse is unarmored then I shoot the horse and hope it either bucks him or falls and traps him. I fancy my odds outrunning a knight with a broken leg and a dead horse better than outrunning a horse.

>>29612240
This
It probably won't work, but it might. The hills might make the horse roll an ankle or something.

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Wonder why a knight would attack a lone girl on a road. Then try to escape as I imagine my horse will be faster than his due to the weight.

Run like hell.

Even if the bow is pre-strung, the odds of hitting a fast-moving target aren't great and that's before we factor in armour.

>>29612245

Warhorse usually mean the horse is armored too

Run the fuck away

I roll to rape.

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>>29612270

>why a knight would attack a lone girl on a road.

The same reason any man would attack a lone girl on a road.

>>29612297
No dumbass,it means the horse is a charger bred for warfare. Why would your horse wear barding on a casual trip in the country?

>>29612344

why would you wear armor and have your lance ready? The knight was obviously looking for a fight.

>>29612297
Could just mean a horse bred and trained for war as opposed to a draft horse bred and trained for labour. I agree that it's unlikely that Sir Angry Van Der Randommurder of the village of Charge-the-Fuckers on the Marsh forgot to armour his horse before he went out for a day of peasant woodsman murdering but it doesn't explicitly say the horse is armoured.

>>29612161
>he/she
>his/her
Just say it and its.

>>29612161
Charge to the side opposite his lance, at an angle, and make a swift change of direction when only a few seconds away. He's in heavy plate armor and his horse is fast so he will have built up a hell of a lot of momentum. If he attempts to turn to fast he risks injuring his horse, if his horse stops too fast he gets thrown forward, so he will have to reduce speed. I however do not have a very fast horse and I have no heavy armor weighing it down, so I should be able to stop fairly quickly. When stopped load the bow, attempt to hit the Knight's horse while he has slowed and shows its broadside while turning. If I miss, repeat. If he catches on, run like hell and hope his armor weighs his horse down too much for it to catch up, maybe throw my club at him when he gets too close for comfort in pursuit.

>>29612373
Apparently this knight is the biggest pussy ever since they need all this gear to murder peasants. Go at them with our club, we'll be fine.

>>29612395
>thinking a rouncy is going to outmaneuver a warhorse
That's about as likely as a child molester van outmaneuvering a Ferrari.

>>29612394
Or just say he, since that is the gender-neutral pronoun,

>run from a faster, stronger horse

I think you faggots mean "turn my back on the foe like a beslubbering, whelk-sucking, craven son of a whore and be impaled from behind, rather than at least try to fight and die with dignity".

There is no hope of running. Just take your shots and hope you get lucky. At close range there's a fair chance of hitting something that counts. Possibly dismount and use your horse as protection so you can get off one more shot at close range.

>>29612161
Pray he's in a mood to accept surrender. Arrows aren't nearly as good as people think at the whole "killing things" bit, and the bodkins that "won" Agincourt will only very rarely hurt an armored knight.

And I don't know about you guys, but I'm hella out of shape.

>>29612395
You realize the knight can make small course corrections on the charge, and if you do evade the first charge, there's absolutely nothing preventing him from breaking out his sword and coming in at a slower pace? Knights were the best soldiers of medieval Europe, trained from a very young age to kill.

Shame the scenario doesn't give us a katana. That's basically an insta-win against platemale.

>>29612429
Well if you try to run you're fucked, if you don't run you're fucked, if you try to outmaneuver you've got a small chance of success which is better than nothing. At the very least he'll have to adjust course, reducing his speed and potentially giving you more time to land a shot.

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>>29612340

If that's what he wants then I just let him do his thing and hopefully I can go after. If we are in a medieval time I am most likely a peasant and I doubt I have much of a say on it.

Also it beats being skewered by his lance.

>>29612433
>>29612394

why not just say he/she?

>>29612161
cast magic missile until he dies.

>>29612531
Something something "Skeward by his lance" innuendo

>>29612548
I believe there actually are gender-neutral pronouns (I can remember zie for one), some of them coming from field biologists who wanted to describe the animals they were observing without using the word "it".

Not many people bother to use them, though.

Rolled 77

>>29612161
I roll to seduce.

>>29612531

>would rather be violated than fight

You must be one hell of a pushover IRL

and an easy slut

>>29612474
I didn't think about the sword. Yeah you're totally fucked surrender is probably the best bet.

>>29612474
Bodkins will fuck up their horse if it's barded and we can shoot it normally if it isn't. If they're mad about not getting to kill us they'll be madder about needing a new horse

I still think you could manage to disable the horse

>>29612637

>they'll be madder about needing a new horse

And most that likely dead from the fall/rolling across the ground/ending under the horse

>>29612637
I'm not so certain about that. Bodkins are really, really badly over-rated when it comes to their armor penetrating capabilities.

If it works, though, time to remount the horse and run the fuck away, because he's not going to be happy about having that very, very, very expensive warhorse shot out from under him.

>>29612531

So you wouldn't struggle if a robber wanted to rape you?

Shameful

>>29612637
They won't really. Bodkins weren't hardened or armor piercing. They were cheap arrowheads that were made to be aerodynamic and shoot farther.

Also your bow is probably unstrung, in a bag and tied to your saddle.

>>29612699
Most don't, for fear of getting injured by the rapist. It's kind of a bad idea unless there's a good chance the struggle will actually accomplish something.

And really, without a gun, it's a bit difficult to struggle against a trained-from-childhood soldier in heavy armor with a trained warhorse.

>>29612684
Broadheads would tear into the muscle every time it moved, completely disabling it.

After that, we could ride by and throw rocks and they'd be powerless to stop us

>>29612699
An armoured knight is on a whole another level compared to a robber. In this situation there is no real way to beat him. You can't kick him in the nuts, gouge his eyes, punch his throat, or any of those other women's self defense things. It would be safer to not struggle and live than risk aggravating him.

>>29612699

Honestly? Of course no, because I value my life. I know the whole "Don't hurt me and I'll do anything you want" thing is pretty shitty, but getting killed would be worse.

>>29612771
Broadheads would do that if they managed to penetrate the barding.

If.

They won't.

>>29612603
You succeed, but only for the horse. The knight slays you on the spot.

I undress and show him my honor while running away. I learned from a which that it's a secret sign of surrender that that makes attacking me impossible.

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>>29612161

You have been well, I trust, General, since we last parted?

>>29612842
What if he demands you show him your other honor?

>>29612794
Yeah, because they're somehow managed to wrap it around the legs

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>>29612609

I remember one thread that asked to select a weapon for a survival area, and how a couple femanons posted that the honest response is that they would try to team up with the first male competitor they found, and ask for help/protection in exchange of pussy.

So the question is. Are ca/tg/irls easy sluts? or are they just pragmatic?

>>29612896
Very small, moving targets. How good of an archer are you?

Plus, a lot of barding came with cloth extending down to the ground, which would both obscure the legs, and potentially stop the arrow.

It's worth reiterating: arrows were not nearly so good at penetrating things or killing things as people think. They were mostly harassing weapons.

>>29612871
The other honor is what I meant. You think I'm going to run backwards?

Rolled 70

>>29612837
I roll to convince my new horse lover to rape the knight to death.

If that fails i'm confident I can outrun a guy in full plate armor without his mount.

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>>29612958

I remember that thread. It later had a more interesting scenario, of said female posters being alone in a dangerous island with a chauvinistic but dependable survivalist.

Would they submit to him for food and protection or try to be on their own? The responses were surprising enough.

>>29613010
That armor wasn't as encumbering as people think. If you're in good shape, you can probably do it (partly a function of better diet meaning taller, stronger people these days), but if you're sedentary and obese, that armor isn't going to slow the knight down nearly enough for an escape.

>>29613028

Not a girl, but I fail to see any modern girl just submitting like that. Women are no longer indoctrinated to consider themselves weak and helpless.

>>29612958
It's pragmatic. Sex is just a part of the package that women have used to survive for most of history.

>>29613010
Though: nevermind, I forgot you have a horse in this scenario, so outrunning him when dismounted is a viable option.

>>29612161
Move away and laugh as his horse tumbles on his falling lance. Fucking dunce, no one readies so early.

>>29613028

>The responses were surprising enough.

Kill the survivalist, become jungle queen, I hope.

>>29613069
It's not meant to slow him down. It's meant to wear him down.

It still requires more effort to lug all that stuff with you, and i'm an endurance runner. All i've got on me is a bow, some arrows, and my non-armored clothes.

Looks like my horse charming skills saved me today.

>>29613094
And there's also that.

>>29612548

There were no women warriors, and surely no women knights.

>>29613078

Wat? That scenario would only make them enter their biological role.

>>29613167

What about all the Roman detailing Celt female ferocity? There are loads of descriptions by Roman writers about Celtic warrior women.

Heck, there was even a warrior queen who commanded thousands of men

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>>29613167

who was Joan de Arc? Riding into battle and slaughtering Englishmen sounds very warrior like

>>29613259
Yeah, and got her shit stomped by a hopelessly outnumbered garrison.
Boadicea is not exactly the best example to cite if you want to argue that women can be warriors.

>>29613259
>There was even a warrior queen who got thousands killed because she was tactically inept

>>29613294
Joan of Arc never actually fought anyone.

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>>29613259

Read some history. Real history, not made up gibberish about Xena the warrior princess. Just Wikipedia should keep you busy for days at least. No real text 'warrior' women except as exceptions to the general rule, ie as oddities not the norm, and the myth about the Amazons is just that a MYTH. A fable.

About your battle maiden Queen, she may or may not have actually fought on the field ( I think no ) but IRL a MAN was war leader and men made up at least 99% of the troops under every civilization, as that is just reality, like it or not.

>>29613294

Oh I think you are far out of your depth, and floundering. Joan de Arc was a 15 years old waif who was simply a symbol and never killed anyone. Female warriors are PURE fantasy. They are modern MYTH nonsense pushed into and onto the past to promote 'equality' in the now. You are just playing along with the SJW Tumblr script.

>>29613259
I'd be willing to bet that most would consider Boudica to be a rare exception to the rule

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>>29613391

weren't the amazons based on actual female warriors of the balkans?

>>29613437
It's the donuts in that image that really have my attention. The tits are okay, but doooonuuuuuts.

>>29613437
Supposedly based off of Sarmatians I think.

>>29613437
Sythians I think

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>>29613391

Why do you hate the idea of female warriors?

You said there was not one source. There's are loads of descriptions by Roman writers, about Celtic social mores, as well as every other people they encountered. Ther have been female warriors. They are a rare breed. There are no established female armies, but there are loads of women that fought to defend their own kind from attack.

>>29613465
Dibs on the top left

>>29613437
God damn I want some doughnuts now.

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>>29613437

>mfw the GM does this often

Her tits are bigger, though

>>29613437
"Based" is a pretty loose term when it comes to Herodotus.

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>>29613491

Because it is a fantasy you are desperately clinging on against hope.

Women were NOT warriors. Indo-Eupopean society in general will not allow such a bald faced subversion of nature. Women arming themselves would mean they were equal to all the men and thus would have SAY and SWAY over men potentially, and this is revolutionary subversion of the first order, the subversion of the Man's home according to Indo-European lights and not acceptable at all. Early peoples did not have 'queens', Full Patriarchy, and only Patriarchy was the norm. No Germanic, Zulu or Mongol man would serve under a WOMEN for any reason, not directly, and it would have been hard to get them to accept a Queen that did not have a lot of male relatives acting as the true power behind the throne.

It is a laughable idea. Not even the Celts would have debased themselves and served a women's whim unless her family was quite strong. And the Romans and Greeks would have just killed the women in question for any number of subversion of the natural correct order, even the Byzantines only had three women rulers learning fast it is not a good idea. Anything other than that is modern mores projected back onto the past to justify subversion in the now.

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy

Aethelflaed, eldest daughter of Alfred the Great of England, was known as the Lady of Mercia. She led troops against the Vikings during her father's reign and was responsible for the construction of many fortifications. Her military achievements helped her brother Edward the Elder in his Kingship. She died 918 in AD

At the battle of Bravellir between King Harald War-tooth and his nephew Ring, three women, Hethna, Visna and Vebiorg led companies on the Danish side
Rusilla fought against her brother Thrond for the thrones of both Denmark and Norway.
Sela was "a warring Amazon and accomplished pirate"
Stikla ran away from home "preferring the sphere of war to that of marriage"
Alvid also ran away from home and became leader of a group of male and female pirates.
Gurith, Alvid's daughter, also took part in a battle to help her son Harald after her husband was killed.
Source for those 8: "Women in the Viking Age" - Judith Jesch - Boydell Press - 0 85115 278 3

Salaym Bint Malham "with an armoury of swords and daggers strapped round her pregnant belly fought in the ranks of Muhammad and his followers".

Urraca, Queen of Aragon became ruler of Leon-Castile in 1094 when her husband died. She remarried in 1098 and then spent 13 years at war with her second husband, Alfonso the Battler, to protect the inheritance rights of her son by her first marriage. She led her own armies into battle

Matilda, Countess of Tuscany (also known as Matilda of Canossa) was born in Northern Italy in 1046, learned weapons skills as a child, first went into battle at her mother's side in 1061 defending the interests of Pope Alexander II. When her stepfather, Duke Godfrey, died in 1069 Matilda commanded armies. She led her troops personally, and wielded her late father's sword. She spent some thirty years at war in the service of Pope Gregory VIII and then Pope Urban against the German Emperor Henry IV. She married twice, but had no children.

>>29613608
So you're an ignorant bigot. Good to know.

I can point out examples like Queen Elizabeth, Catherine of Russia, the fact that the Mongols entrusted much of the empire-running business to their wives, and that's off the top of my head.

History was not this magical realm patriarchy bullshit you describe. It was sexist as hell, but you believe a warped version of history in an attempt to justify your own sexism.

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy

The Order of the Axe (orden de la Hacha) was founded in 1149 by the Count of Barcelona, to honor the women who fought for the defense of the town of Tortosa against a Moorish attack

Petronilla, Countess of Leicester took part in her husband's rebellion against Henry II in 1173. According to Jordan Fantosome " she was armed in a hauberk and carried a sword and shield".

A Papal Bull of 1189 prohibited women from joining the Third Crusade, Because of the numbers participating inthe 2nd crusade. Queens Eleanor of Aquitaine, Eleanor of Castile, Marguerite de Provence, Florine of Denmark and Berengaria of Navarre are known to have gone on Crusade.

Nicola de la Haye was in charge of Lincoln Castle when rebel barons and Louis, son of the French King Philip beseiged it in 1217. She was the daughter of Baron de la Haye, hereditary castellan of Lincoln. She successfully defended the town against several rebel raids and was made sheriff of Lincolnshire in 1216.

The Order of the Glorious Saint Mary was founded in Italy in 1233, and approved by Pope Alexander IV in 1261. It was the first religious order of knighthood to grant the rank of "militissa" to women. The Order was suppressed by Sixtus V in 1558.

In 1297 the Countess of Ross led her own troops during William Wallace and Andrew de Moray's battles with the English.

Isobel, Countess of Buchan: (A.D. 1296-1358) Isobel MacDuff left her husband, the Earl of Buchan (Taking the finest warhorses with her), to fight for the Bruce, a cause of which her husband did not approve. The earl went as far as to issue a warrant for her death. Captured by Edward and taken to England, the countess of Buchan was imprisoned in a small cage for four years. She afterwards retired to convent life.

>>29612531
>If that's what he wants then I just let him do his thing and hopefully I can go after.

The most likely reason for this kind of senario is that the bastard with lance is just 5 XP short of reaching Level 18, and he needs to score some low-risk experience points before next adventure.

>>29613608
Byron, my boy! What are you doing here?

>>29612161
"I say, thou ruffian! What be thy intent with this treachery? I am no enemy to thy crown!"

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>>29613608
>>29613391
>making absolute statements about history and not even trying to provide sources

>>29613700
>believe a warped version of history in an attempt to justify your own sexism
Let's not jump to conclusions here, it could be perceived sexism coming from a feminist, the poster's use of "patriarchy" may imply as much.

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy

Jeanne de Danpierre, Countess de Montfort: (Abt. 1300 - 74). (also known as Jane, Countess of Montfort) During the defence of Hennebont (in which she'd had the misfortune to be besieged by her & her husband's enemies), she wore armour, rode a warhorse, and sorted out the defence of the city by observing the enemy from the walls. Jeanne also mobilised the townswomen to defend the ramparts with makeshift missiles. She broke out from Hennebont at the head of 300 horseman, during a French assault on the walls, and successfully fought her way to Brest. She later returned with 600 additional men to reinforce the town. Later that same year, she is reported to have taken part in a sea-skirmish off Guernsey; wearing a suit of armour at the helm of her ship, and wielding a sword.
Jean Froissart's Chroniques describes Jeanne 'with a very sharp sword to hand, fighting with great courage'

Isabelle of England: (A.D. 1285?-1313?) Daughter of Phillippe le Bel of France, wife of Edward II of England. She took up arms against her husband and his supporters. When Edward III came to the throne, he forced Isabelle to flee to Scotland, where, during the ensuing war, she travelled with a defending troop of like-spirited women including two sisters of Nigel and Robert Bruce (Christian, Lady Bruce and Isobel, Countess of Buchan). Against this troop of noblewomen, Edward issued a formal proscription, and captured and imprisoned several of them. Isabelle he forced to retire to a convent life "lest she try further conquests".

>>29613790
I'm pretty certain he's the same guy as said "women's biological role", which ignores the reciprocal "man's biological role". Although I have seen no evidence of intelligence, it is true that a halfway intelligent feminist would already know there have been some examples of female rulers and warriors.

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy

Black Agnes: Lady Agnes Randolph (A.D. 1300?-1369?), wife of Patrick the fourth earl of Dunbar and the second earl of March. In her youth, she fought for the Bruce, but is better remembered for the later defense of her castle. In 1334, Black Agnes daughter of the great Randolf, earl of Moray, successfully held her castle at Dunbar against the besieging forces of England's earl of Salisbury for over five months, despite the unusual number of engineers and elaborate equipment brought against her. After each assault on her fortress, her maids dusted the merlins and crenels, treating her foes and the seige as a tiresome jest.

Agnes Hotot, (A.D. 1378? - ?). The coat of arms of the House of Dudley shows a woman in war helmet, dishelved hair hanging out, and her breasts exposed, commemorating a female champion. In the fourteenth century, Agnes Hotot's father quarreled with another man and agreed to a duel with lances to settle the affair. Upon the appointed hour, Agnes's father fell seriously ill. Agnes put on a helmet and disguised her sex, mounted her father's horse and set out for the tourney grounds. 'After a stubborn encounter,' Agnes dismounted her father's foe. When he lay on the ground, "she loosened the stay of her helmet, let down her hair and disclosed her bussom, so that he would know he had been conquered by a woman."

Pope Boniface VIII wrote several letters in 1383 in which he mentioned Genoese ladies who were Crusaders.

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>>29612843
I'm fine.

Your Excellency, I'm under orders from the Director General to wait for you here.

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy

"From Petrarch to Cardinal Giovanni Colonna. 23 November 1343
Of all the wonders of God,'who alone doeth great wonders,' he has made nothing on earth more marvelous than man. Of all we saw that day, of all this letter will report, the most remarkable was a mighty woman of Pozzuoli, sturdy in body and soul. her name is Maria, and to suit her name she has the merit of virginity. Though she is constantly among men, usually soldiers, the general opinion holds that she has never suffered any attaint to her chastity, whether in jest or earnest. Men are put off, they say, more by fear than respect.
Her body is military rather than maidenly, her strength is such as any hardened soldier might wish for, her skill and deftness unusual, her age at its prime, her appearance and endeavor that of a strong man. She cares not for charms but for arms; not for arts and crafts but for darts and shafts; her face bears no trace of kisses and lascivious caresses, but is ennobled by wounds and scars. Her first love is for weapons, her soul defies death and the sword.
She helps wage an inherited local war, in which many have perished on both sides. Sometimes alone, often with a few companions, she has raided the enemy, always, up to the present, victoriously. First into battle, slow to withdraw, she attacks aggressively, practises skilful feints. She bears with incredible patience hunger, thirst, cold, heat, lack of sleep, weariness; she passes nights in the open, under arms; she sleeps on the ground, counting herself lucky to have a turf or a shield for pillow.

continued...

>>29613885
Do you mind archiving this thread in suptg so I can reference all this in the future? I'm sure this isn't the only hurr-hurr women-are-breeders magical realm moron in the world.

>>29613932
>continued:


She has changed much in a short time, thanks to her constant hardships. I saw her a few years ago, when my youthful longing for glory brought me to Rome and Naples and the king of Sicily. She was then weaponless; but I was amazed when she came to greet me today heavily armed, in a group of soldiers. I returned her greeting as to a man I didn't know. Then she laughed, and at the nudging of my companions I looked at her more closely; and I barely recognized the wild, primitive face of the maiden under her helmet.
They tell many fabulous stories about her; I shall relate what I saw. A number of stout fellows with military training happen to have come here from various quarters. (They were diverted from another expedition.) When they heard about this woman they were anxious to test her powers. So a great crowd of us went up to the castle of Pozzuoli. She was alone, walking up and down in front of the church, apparently just thinking. She was not at all disturbed by our arrival. We begged her to give us some example of her strength. After making many excuses on account of an injury to her arm, she finally sent for a heavy stone and an iron bar. She then threw them before us, and challenged anyone to pick them up and try a cast. To cut the story short, there was a long, well-fought competition, while she stood aside and silently judged the contestants. Finally, making an easy cast, she so far outdistanced the others that everyone was amazed, and I was really ashamed. So we left, hardly believing our eyes, thinking we must have been victims of an illusion.


>continued still further

>>29613965
continued

The story goes that Robert [of Naples], that noblest of kings, was once sailing along these shores with a great fleet, and, tempted by the stories of this woman, he came ashore at Pozzuoli only to see her. This does not seem very likely, since, living so nearby, it would seem easier for him to summon her. But perhaps he landed for some other reason and was eager to inspect this great novelty. He has a very curious mind.
Let the tale-tellers bear the responsibility for the truth of this story, as of many others we have heard. For me the sight of this woman makes more credible not only the tales of the Amazons and their famous feminine kingdom, but also those of the Italian virgin warriors, led by Camilla, whose name is celebrated above all. For what hinders us from believing of many what I could hardly have credited of one, if I had not seen it? And that ancient Camilla was born not far from here, at Piperno, at the time of the fall of Troy; while our modern girl was born at Pozzuoli. I wanted to give you this report in my little letter.
Farewell and Prosper."

>Source: "The Voice of the Middle Ages in Personal Letters 1100-1500" Edited by Catherine Moriarty ISBN 1 85291 051 8, Lennard Publishing.

>>29613874
A fair point, I will concede. Still, consider that knowing examples of powerful female warriors and commanders would pop the timeless patriarchal oppression bubble the fanatical ones stick their collective heads into.

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy

Queen Margaret of Denmark (1353-1411) led her armies against Swedish and Norwegian forces.

From "Treasure of the City of Ladies" (1405) written by Christine de Pizan : "We have also said that she [the baroness] ought to have the heart of a man, that is, she ought to know how to use weapons and be familiar with everything that pertains to them, so that she may be ready to command her men if the need arises. She should know how to launch an attack or to defend against one."

Jacqueline of Bavaria, Countess of Holland, Hainault and Zealand (1402-1437) led her army to relieve a seige at the city of Gorkum.

Margret Paston took charge of the defence of her home in her husband's absence both before and during the Wars of the Roses. She asked him to send crossbows, poleaxes and iron spikes as well as more domestic items in a letter in 1448.

Isabella I of Castile (1451-1504) was married to Ferdinand of Aragon. She was heir to her half brother Henry IV of Castille and inherited his throne in her own right in 1474. This led to a war with supporters of his wife's allegedly illegitimate daughter, Juana. Later in her reign she and Ferdinand attacked the Moors and drove them out of Southern Spain. Isabella wore armour and led her army in the field, she also planned strategy and organised the supplies and field hospitals. Her importance to the army was illustrated by the fact that her illness after a miscarriage while she was in command of an army at Toledo in 1475 gave her enemies a respite.

Margaret of Anjou (1430-1482) was a leader of the Lancastrian forces during the War of the Roses. Her armies defeated the Duke of York and the Earl of Warwick.
(though it is noted that Margaret was commanding from the back in several of the battles)

>>29614078
I'm pretty certain the crazy ones exist in a separate universe that only tangentially interacts with our own. Plus, they might just insist that somehow it is the patriarchy making up history or some jazz like that.

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>there are people that still attempt to replace Medieval ideals and attitudes about women with the more restrictive attitudes of the Early Modern Period

I really wish that the whole "backwards" reputation given to the Middle Ages by the Renaissance would finally die

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy

A group of 350 women constructed and defended fortifications for the Protestant Garrison in Guienne, France in 1518

Ameliane du Puget, the governor's daughter, led a troop of women who broke a siege at Marseilles in 1524 during a war between the King of France and the Constable de Bourbon. They dug a mined trench known as the Tranchee des Dames which became the modern day Boulevard des Dames.

Hernan Cortés' army in Mexico in 1521 included Spanish and Mayan women some of whom fought with the army.
Beatriz de Pardes was a nurse, but on occasion fought in the place of her husband, Pedro de Escoto.
María de Estrada was noted for her valor at the battle of the bridges on the noche triste.

Lilliard led the Scots at the Battle of Ancrum in 1545 She killed the English commander but was killed herself later in the battle.

Graine Ni Mhaille (1550-1600) was an Irish princess and pirate, also known as Grace O'Malley, and commanded a large fleet of ships. She petitioned Queen Elizabeth I of England regarding her various territorial claims, and the two met in 1593. Despite her own officers' reports that Grace was attacking English navy, shipping and coastal towns, the Queen accepted Grace's claims.

In 1568, two sisters, Amaron and Kenau Hasselaar, led a battalion of 300 women who fought on the walls and outside the gates to defend the Dutch city of Haarlem against a Spanish invasion.

>>29613948
Added to archives. Enjoy.

>>29614214
Many thanks. I had a general feeling history wasn't as sexist as people make it out to be, but this was just spectacular.

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy

Marguerite Delaye lost an arm fighting in the battle which lifted the siege of Montelimar in 1569.

In 1584 a group of Dutch and English volunteers recaptured the city of Ghent from the Spanish. One of the volunteers was Captain Mary Ambree.

Tomoe Gozen captured the city of Kyoto in Japan in 1584 after winning the Battle of Kurikawa. She was described as being a strong archer and excellent swordswoman.

Dona Catalina de Erauso of San Sebastian left a nunnery in 1596 and travelled to Peru where she became a soldier of fortune. She used sword, knife, and pistol, and fought in battles and in duels. She died around 1650.

Madame de Saint-Belmont disguised herself as a man and fought a duel against a cavalry officer after he ignored a letter she had sent complaining of his discourtesy.

During the English Civil War Queen Henrietta Maria was actively involved in King Charles' campaigns and marched at the head of one of his armies.

King Charles issued a proclamation banning women who were with the armies during the English Civil War from wearing men's clothing.

Lady Ann Cummingham led a cavalry troop of men and women in the Battle of Berwick on June 5, 1639

The Scots Army which marched on Newcastle in 1644 during the English Civil War is reported to have included "women who stood with blue caps among the men" as regular soldiers.

In 1645 a Royalist corporal captured near Nottingham during the English Civil War was found to be a woman.

>>29613391
>>29613608
Did you run off little guy? Cause this stuff is actually interesting.

Pure bonus that you're getting your ass lit up.

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy

Christian 'Kit' Cavanagh (or Davies), better known as "Mother Ross" was one of several women who served as dragoons in the British Army. She fought during the 1690's at first disguised as a man and later openly as a woman.

Anne Chamberlyne dressed in men's clothing and fought in a six hour battle against the French on board her brother's ship in June 1690. She died in childbirth in1691.

A ballad written in 1690 by seaman John Curtin describes a woman who was discovered disguised as a man in the crew of the 72 gun vessel "Edgar".

A gentlewoman petitioned the Queen (Queen Mary II) for payment for serving on the ship "St Andrew" dressed in men's clothing and taking part in a battle against the French in the summer of 1691.


... and the next one on the list deserves an entire post all of her own....

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This is a good thread. Best derail I've seen in some time.

Also, after a lazy control+F, I've seen nothing about the shieldmaidens, or rather, the history most of the legend comes from.

>>29614398
It is intensely amusing.

I'm chatting with my sister, and she's pointed out things like "Nordic men let their wives run the household completely" and "several Native American societies wouldn't let women into the purifying sweat lodges because their magic was too powerful and would disrupt it".

I had a general feeling the sexism of historical societies has been exaggerated, but there's nothing like hearing people who know history go at it.

>>29614504
True that. Great stuff here.

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy

Julie d'Aubigny (1670–1707), better known as Mademoiselle Maupin was born in 1670 to Gaston d'Aubigny, a secretary to the comte d'Armagnac, the Master of the Horse for King Louis XIV. Her father trained her in dancing, literacy, drawing and fencing. While in her teens she became a mistress of the Count d'Armagnac and through him was introduced to court.

d'Aubigny gathered a reputation in Parisian courts, and fought duels with young aristocrats. She became involved with an assistant fencing master named Serannes.
About 1688, when Lieutenant-General of Police Gabriel Nicolas de la Reynie tried to apprehend Serannes for killing a man in an illegal duel, the pair fled the city to Marseille, where d'Aubigny and Serannes gave duelling exhibitions, sang and told stories in inns. When duelling, d'Aubigny dressed in male clothing but did not conceal her gender.

Eventually, she grew bored of Serannes and became involved with a young lady. When the girl's parents put her away in the Visitandines convent in Avignon, d'Aubigny followed, entering the convent as a novice. There she stole the body of a dead nun, placed it in the bed of her lover and set the room afire to cover their escape. Their affair lasted for three months before the young lady returned to her family. D'Aubigny was charged in absentia with kidnapping, body snatching, arson and failing to appear before the tribunal. The sentence was death by fire,

continued...

>>29614646
Oh my god I should have remembered this woman from her Badass of the Week article.
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=672138630154

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>>29614646
>There she stole the body of a dead nun, placed it in the bed of her lover and set the room afire to cover their escape
>continued...
Oh god

>>29614646
continued


Escaping from Marseille, d'Aubigny made her way towards Paris, while also embarkingon a career as an opera singer. In Villeperdue, she fought a victorious duel against three squires and drove her blade through the shoulder of one of them. The next day, she asked about his health and found out he was Louis-Joseph d'Albert Luynes, son of the Duke of Luynes. The next evening, one of his companions came to offer the duke's apologies. She went to his room dressed in female clothing and subsequently they became lovers.

After Count d'Albert recovered and had to return to his military unit, d'Aubigny continued to Rouen. There she met Gabriel-Vincent Thévenard, another singer, and began a new affair with him. They continued together towards Paris. In Marais, she contacted Count d'Armagnac for help against the sentence hanging over her. He persuaded the king to grant her a pardon instead.

In Paris, D'Aubigny began to use the name Mademoiselle Maupin, and eventually joined the Paris Opera. Several years later D'Aubigny once more became a professional duelist, when she fought three noblemen during a court ball around 1693, she fell afoul of the king's law that forbade duels in Paris, and fled to Brussels.

She later reconciled with her husband and lived with him until his death in 1701 or 1705. After she retired from the opera in 1705, she entered a convent in Provence, where she died in 1707.

>>29614748
From a historical perspective, these stories are all fascinating, just for the rarity of such events to have occurred.
May I ask what your sources are so I can bookmark them for later reference?

>>29614735
fucking PCs. Murderhobo Opera singer duellists, coming up with mental schemes and burning the place down...


after her, the rest are pretty staid, though, arent they?

anyhow, we resume our journey though the history of women in warfare....

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy

A woman soldier Christian Davies (or Mother Ross), already mentioned >>29614454 here from the 1690's was reported to have received a pension from the Royal Chelsea Hospital at the beginning of the 18th Century.

M. Cesar de Saussure of Lausanne Switzerland writes an account of a fight between two female gladiators using two handed sword, sword with dagger and finally sword with shield in 1720

Mary Reed (or Read) and Anne Bonnie (or Bonny) were sentenced to death for piracy in 1720.

Phoebe Hessel (1713-1821) was born in Stepney and joined the army at the age of 15 served for many years as a private soldier in the 5th Reg't of Foot (or Northumberland Fusiliers) in different parts of Europe including Montserrat and in 1745 at Fontenoy.

Ann Mills was British dragoon who fought on the frigate Maidstone in 1740.

Jean (Jenny) Cameron of Glendessary raised 300 men and led them to the raising of the Jacobite standard in Scotland on 19th August 1745
And though not an actual combatant, this one makes you wonder how interesting their marriage was:

Lady Anne Macintosh (also known as Anne Farquharson of Invercauld and Colonel Anne) was married to the Laird of Macintosh who supported the Hannoverians during the Jacobite rising in Scotland in 1745-6. Anne sided with the Jacobites and raised several hundred men to fight for them, although she never led her men into battle herself. At various points both she and her husband were captured and were released into each others' custody...

>>29613028

Define chauvinist?

also, why it implies sex would be required as part of the team?

>>29614748
lady was a psychobitch

>>29614904
Considering the sheer amount of history, female warriors were relatively common until something like 1000AD when they started to dissapear. But you very often saw noblewomen before that fighting.

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy


Lady Lude fired the first shot of the Jacobite attack on Blair Castle, Scotland. This was her own family home and had been taken over by the Hanoverians.

Lady Margaret Oglivy and Margaret Murray (or Fergusson) accompanied their husbands who were officers in Bonnie Prince Charlie's (Prince Charles Edward Stewart or The Young Pretender of Scotland) army in 1745-6. Mrs Murray is reputed to have been directly involved in seizing horses and money for the army.

(source for those ones: "Damn Rebel Bitches - Women of the '45" - Maggie Craig - Mainstream Publishing - 1-85158-962-7)


Hannah Snell dressed as a man and called herself James Gray. She served in a regiment of the Royal Marines and fought at the siege of Pondicherry. In 1750 she revealed her secret to her comrades and was granted a lifetime pension. She died in 1791.
Source: Hannah Snell, The Secret Life of a Female Marine" - Matthew Stephens - Ship Street Press - 0-9530565-0-3

DEBORAH SAMSON (sometimes mis-spelled "sampson")
In October of 1778 Deborah Samson of Plympton, Massachusetts disguised herself as a young man and presented herself to the American army as a willing volunter to oppose the common enemy. She enlisted for the whole term of the war as Robert Shirtliffe and served in the company of Captain Nathan Thayer of Medway, Massachusetts.
For three years she served in various duties and was wounded twice - the first time by a sword cut on the side of the head and four months later she was shot through the shoulder. Her sexual identity went undetected until she came down with a brain fever, then prevalent among the soldiers. The attending physician, Dr. Binney, of Philadelphia, discovered her charade, but said nothing. Instead he had her taken to his own home where she would receive better care.

source: http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/femvets.html

>>29613078
they are weak and helpless though. a modern woman would be useless at survival and a modern man for that matter after a week of starving, they'd probably want some food.

>>29615084
That depends on the woman in question, what they have with them, and perhaps most importantly how dangerous the man might be if you don't ally with him.

>>29615025
but you just know she's going to be the best (and possibly last) shag of your life....

>>29613391
>Female warriors are PURE fantasy

Margaret Corbin (or Cochran) helped with the artillery during an attack on Fort Washington. In 1779 she was awarded her a pension for her heroism.

Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley served alongside her husband, John Hays, in the Pennsylvania State Regiment of Artillery for seven years.

In 1771 Naval seaman Charles Waddall was found to be a woman when she was being stripped for a flogging.
(source "Female Tars" - Suzanne Stark - Pimlico - 0-7126-660-5)

In 1775 Jemima Warner took her deceased husband's place in the ranks during an American army expedition into Canada led by Brig. Gen. Richard Montgomery and Colonel Benedict Arnold

Angelique Brulon - awarded the French Legion of Honor. She defended Corsica in seven campaigns between 1792 and 1799. At first she fought disguised as a man, by the time her gender was discovered she had proved so valuable in battle that she was allowed to remain in the military fighting openly as a woman.

Mary Anne Talbot (1778-1808) was a drummer in the army in Flanders in 1792 and a sailor on the "Brunswick" where she was wounded in action in 1794. She used the name John Taylor

Mademoiselle de la Rochefoucalt, a noted orator, rallied royalists and led guerrilla actions against the republican forces. She died in battle during the French Revolution.

Catherine the Great led rebels in a successful coup against her husband Tsar Peter of Russia. She wore a soldier's uniform and directed the tactics of her various wars up until 1796.

A report in the Naval Chronicle in 1807 describes a woman using the name of Tom Bowling who had served over 20 years as a bowswain's mate on a man-of-war.

and lastly, since the 20th C is packed full of records:
Edith Garrud opened a dojo for jujutsu close to Oxford Circus.She trained a group of "fighting suffragettes", the bodyguard unit for Mrs Pankhurst.

>>29615300
Many thanks for listing the most famous examples of female warriors.

Purely from Europe.

Only from the last millenium, excluding the 20'th and 21'st centuries.

Which leaves out that one (I think Pakistani) girl who KOd a terrorist invading her home, took his gun, and proceeded to drive all the rest of the terrorists out of the village until the army arrived.

That was pure gold.

>>29615490
afraid that the sources I have are only european, and I'm mostly a pre-20th C history type person.

Feel free to add more from other sources if you've got them. the thread's archived, so it'll be good to read later. I dont have a monopoly on making sexist idiot's comments look stupid, after all, so add whatever you have.

>>29615638
I salute you good sir for your fine work, and just TOLD that sexistanon.