Sup /tg/. My dad recently died and wanted to be cremated. Being the oldest son and him being divorced, I got the cremains. I was thinking, since I don't really hold much stigma about disposition or whatever that they would be great for basing material or something, plus it'd be neat to say I'm still playing games "with Dad" as well. What are some creative ideas you guys would have to use these, or are they pretty much just good for basing material?Pic related. The bag of his ashes straight from the temporary box from the funeral home.
>>29414600I'm not sure if that's heartwarming or horrifying.
Yeah, nah. In the unlikely event that any of what you said is true, if you do this, you WILL at some point tell someone about it, possibly in an inebriated state, and from then on, you WILL become forever known as the guy who turned his dead dad into action figures.
Use it on the base of any 40k solider as sand.
ok A thats a good way to get cursed, and B that looks like kitty litter.
>>29414600those don't look like ashes
Pull a Keith Richard. Snort them with/like cocaine.
>>29414600Are you a character in a sitcom? Because this is a grade A stupid idea.
>>29414600>Anon, can you give me the cat litter, I need to use it for these miniatures.>That's not cat litter, it's my dad.
you should probably just shit in the bag, that will still be a better use for his remains than telling everyone you want to paint dumb figurines with a bag of human ashesfuckin scatter them over the ocean or a scenic vista jesus christ what the fuck is wrong with you
Grow a new dad. Just add water.
>>29414670I can't really make out whether you want to imply that's good or bad...
>>29414702That's because they're not just ashes; they're human remains. Cremated human remains pretty much look like that.http://www.mattnager.com/gallery/large/MigrantDeath16.jpg
>go to mexico>buy a pound of human ashes>put them into a plastic ziplock bag>go to airport and put them into the luggage of random people when they are not looking>??????>PROFIT
>>29414600On the off-chance that this is even mildly seriously, please don't.Even if you don't care about what happens to them, the rest of the family probably does. Plus if anyone else hears about what you've done, you'll probably be seen as a real weirdo and shunned.
do they really just give the remains to you in a plastic bag? fuck, even my dog got a little box for his ashes when he died.
>>29414600This can't be real.
Using it as a graying pigment in paint is probably your best bet. There are a bunch of tutorials around the 'net for paint-making, but the easy way is just a drop or so of gum, water, and whatever pigments you're using.Also, ignore the asshole anons. What you do with the ashes is between you and your dad, and I've heard of a lot worse ideas than making art.
>>29414866>assholesI'm sorry I don't use my dead father as a FUCKING MINIATURE STAND.
>>29414837Typically they'll put it in a bag unless you give them something else. My cousin came back in the same way, since my uncle hadn't finished picking out an urn until after the cremation.
Just masturbate into the ashes and mash them to make a paste for the basing. Then you will use your seed with the remains of the man that gave his seed to make you, think about it.
Why wouldn't you make dice from it, if you're going to go that far?
>>29414898Nobody's asking you to, anon. But whether or not OP does is none of your fucking business.
>>29414866>What you do with the ashes is between you and your dadNot quite. There's also the rest of the family to consider. It'd be a pretty safe bet to say some people wouldn't be happy with how his remains are treated.
At least get him a nice vase or something, don't keep him in a bag like groceries. My ex was (is?) keeping her dad like that (talk about daddy issues).Using him for basing is IMHO bad idea, moral ambiguity aside, you'll be getting better effect by using plastic craps painted as ashes than by using actual ashes.Besides - did he show any interest in your hobbies when he was still alive? Dragging him along now just because he can't say no is bad sport. Find him some peaceful place to rest instead, preferably with good view.
>>29414838>>29414694>>29414670Also, >>29414837They do go into a box (pic related), but they put them into a bag with a stainless steel coin to label them. For their record keeping and such. I asked about it.
>>29414944He asked me so it is my business.
>>29414898>assholesmore like ashholes
>>29414948His ex-wife probably wants nothing to do with the man's ashes, but I agree that there are other folks to consider.When my great-grandpa died his sons couldn't agree on what to do, so they split the ashes up. I would recommend splitting the ashes up between you and your brothers with an express agreement that you will each honor your dad in the way YOU see best, and that there will be no making fun of or second guessing one another's decisions.
>>29414600Go to the ocean and spread his ashes you lunatic.
Put him in a Dreadnought.
>>29414702>>29414775I dig graves and as someone who has seen ashes spilled on the ground I have to say it was pretty much just solid gray fireplace ashes and not at all chunks as seen in OP's pic.
>>29414972He asked the board for ideas for craft uses. He didn't ask you to do it with your dad. Are you really that dense?
Man, I'm still mad that my wife asked me not to use dead bugs as minis because she said it was creepy.
>>29415025>he asked the board for craft uses>I say none uses>are you dense?Right, I'm done with you.
>>29415012Dreadnought pilot still needs living head/brain and part of torso.Thousand Son would work.
>>29415012This, but this is still pretty odd...
>>29415042I bet you think "stop playing pathfinder" is a good response to "how do I build a gish?"Fuck off.
>>29415010>wasting your father's ashes by dumping them instead of using the legacy of the past to build things for the futuredo you even honour your ancestors?
>>29415051That's a pretty awesome idea. OP here. I've always liked CSM, but that's not the army I play currently. I might hold onto some of them for that. My dad was really geeky and pretty intelligent, too, so that would fit him very well!
>>29415051A necron then? Or Wraithguard or whatever the elfdar thing is, the one full of ded efldars.
>>29415025>what is moral hazard?
>>29415114>A necron then?Pretty sure necron transformation has to be made with living creature, not just (c)remains.>Or Wraithguard or whatever the elfdar thing is, the one full of ded efldars.You'd need Soul stone.
>>29415012HEY SON ARE YA WINNIN'?
>>29414968Tell me the way he died and I will tell you what to do with them.
>>29414730>scenic vistaDon't do that.>if ashes are repeatedly scattered over a limited area this can bring about changes to plant life. Many plants can tolerate only a narrow range of soil acidity or alkalinity, and many are sensitive to the concentration of certain mineral elements. The ashes of human remains are rich in both calcium and phosphorus and elevated concentrations of these elements can stimulate the growth of some plant species, but adversely affect others.Chuck it in an urn or in the ocean.
>>29415136Do you actually know? Because I don't think you do.
You better be good at painting minis.. otherwise.. don't do that shit. Do you really want your dads remains on a shit tier painted mini.Go get him shot out of a cannon
>>29415136I'd be actually more concerned about legal side of the whole deal, pretty sure treating human remains with disrespect is against some law, even if it's family member that was entrusted to your care.
>>29415169Diabetes, heart attack, MRSA. He was morbidly obese and sedentary his whole life.No intention of following in his steps since I'd like to live into a decent age.
>>29415197>Go get him shot out of a cannonAgain?
>>29415174>Chuck it in an urn or in the ocean.You don't want to kill some plants so you'd rather kill some fishes and pollute the water?
Well OP... people sometimes use their loved one's cremains to be spread across a field, others choose to have them fired out of a cannon, and others choose to put them in ammunition for hunting. I don't see why you can't use them for other things.
>>29415220So something Nurgle related would be best then.What does it look like when you shine a blacklight on it?
>>29415220Slaanesh gluttony dreadnought.
Get a hollow glass ornament made of the mark of Khorne. Fill it with the ashes. Add a drop of your blood.Rest in pieces.
>>29415220>Diabetes, heart attack, MRSAOP, I wouldn't recommend using these for any model that you intend to use in competitive play. The fates clearly wanted your father very dead so his remains likely share his curse.
>>29415220Into your Nurgle army they go.
>>29415097You. I like you.
>>29415220>morbidly obese and sedentary his whole life.>No intention of following in his steps since I'd like to live into a decent age.You shouldn't be playing warhammer then.
>>29415247It's only a problem if it accumulates, and since certain scenic vistas are extremely popular for ash scattering then it should be dissuaded there. The ocean is huge so accumulation isn't a problem.
>>29415268>giving Khorne ashesit's like you're asking for his scorn
Ok Bear with me, Ashes can be used to cast Concrete, so you must cast your dad "cremains" on that, then cast a figurine of your dad, then you will have a minidad figurine or cast a big statue and place it in your yard. http://www.neptunesociety.com/memorial-reef/
>>29415302>You shouldn't be playing warhammer then.The fact that warhams tend to be played by fat people doesn't mean playing warhams gets people fat. It's okay to have sedetary hobby as long as it's not your only hobby.
Ingest the ashes, child.
Well op, it's your dad so do whatever you feel he would prefer, we can't really judge that.For example if it was my case I really don't care what people decide to do with my remains, they can feed me to the pigs as as far as I care because I am fucking dead. Actually that wouldn't be a bad idea, funeral related stuff is way too expensive and I would be making my family save money.
>>29415350>Making senseGet out.
I think this is a pretty awesome idea. Just get some casting greenstuff what not, mix in the ashes, then hire someone to professionally craft units out of it.
>>29415310>a lowly berserker appears in front of Khorne>"M-m-my lord, I b-b-b-bested this foe but, uh...">"WHAT? BUT WHAT?">"I h-h-had to u-u-use promethean fluid and an incendiary bolt...">"I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHERE IS HIS SKULL?">Berserker lifts a small satchel full of ashesIt is then that Khorne permanently loses his shit, manifests in realspace and begins cutting planets in half.
>>29415367>rent a boat>paddle about 2 milles>drop it>go backSO EXPENSIVE
this is going to seem like a dumb question given the subject matter but here goes>Did you love your dad?
>>29414600Grind it down to fine dust.Carry it with you when you play a game at the local game shop.Have it in plain sight.When you defeat somebody with your Slaneeshi army, sniff a line of it.
>>29415668Yeah. If I didn't, I wouldn't want to keep them around in some form or another.
Use it to blind your enemies.
>>29415844Pocket sand with extra necrotic damage?
>>29415761Alright, I had this idea when a very close friend of mine died, like it was said earlier: dreadnaught. I always thought that would be a good idea to honor his memory, drill out a small section of the main body and put in a "pebble" then seal it with greenstuff.That being said, I feel that, as a beloved father; he deserves more than a common dreadnaught. >Put his ashes in replica of the golden throne, with some form of quote he was known for saying inscribed on the base. I can't think of a better place that has an appropriate level of reverence and gamer irony.That way, he can watch over you and your children, offering guidance through the warp that is life.
>>29415097>>29415300/tg/ is full of Americans, they don't understand what it means to have legacy and ancestors because their country has no history.
>>29415933I'm an American and I honor my ancestors.
>Somebody archived the thread>That title
Aren't those D100 dice filled with sand or something?
Just because OP is bereaved doesn't make him a sap.
My mom's a potter, so when her dad died, she mixed some of his ashes into a special glaze, and made commemorative pots for herself, her sisters, and her mom. As long as it's done in a tasteful, respectful manner, doing something creative to commemorate a loved one should be fine.
>29415844Ill do ya one better.http://www.myholysmoke.com/I really feel like there should be some sort of /tg/ equivalent like dice or something out there though. Maybe save a big bone or tw
>>29415991...why? There's no worthwhile discussion happening in this thread, just a bunch of retarded Americans who can't imagine somebody wanting to do something with a loved one's remains other than the three things their country lets them do.
>>29414600have the remains compressed into a workable material, not a diamond, but something hard enough to craft a d20 from.
>>29414600You can make diamonds from his ashes. Now whether they won't just bullshit you and say here is your daddyrock is another thing.
>>29414600>CremainsAhahaha, damn. I'm going to use that word when talking about dead people ashes now.
>>29416321it's like when people say "craisins" to refer to dried out little cranberries. now i'm never going to eat those things again because i'm gonna think of fucking dead people ash.
>>29416260Cremains converted into diamonds. Diamonds that are used as dice.BRILLIANT!
>>29415220Have his ashes somehow made into a d100, the fattest of all die.
>>29415991I always wondered why /tg/ doesn't talk about Top Gear more. I see it on every other board I've ever frequented.It even fits the board name./tg/ - Top GearThink about it.
>>29416195I'm not american and I'm sickened.
>>29416596>implying you are a close minded prude>implying that what brings the living happiness dosn't overshadow the "considerations" of the already fucking deceased
>>29415933Hey, some of us have family times going back hundreds of years.... Stupid colonists destroy all that though. IF I knew who my ancestors were though, I'd totally fucking respect them.But as for OP. I'd be hyped as all hell if my son made me into a bunch of killer miniatures.Also, you could make it into dice, for heart of the dice.
>>29416431We tend to reference Top Gear in the context of other things.
>>29416705this photo is so out of place, explain, it's confusing me.
>>29414600>Not making dice
>>29416705She's a man, baby.
>>29416007>>29416430>>29416183>>294167054 votes for D100>>29415260>>294152762 for Nurgle flocking>>29415673>>29415363>>29416394>>29416260>>294162015 for consumption>>29415300>>29415097>>29415844>>294158804 for weaponising itConsumption is winning so far.
>>29416869Is it sad that, given the weirdness already contained in this thread and the fact that it's on /tg/, I didn't think that image was odd at all?
>>29416927Mine isn't necessarily for consumption as much as it is for other dice, D100 is just never going to get used, is all.
>>29416155What is it?
>>29416667>>29416696If you can't see why it's wrong to use human remnants for a toy soldier game, let alone your own family remnants, I don't have anything to say to you.
>>29414600Look, if you're set on something like this, and if he was a nerd himself, then I wouldn't use it for basing. Put some in a little glass bottle or something, and put it in a dreadnought. Using his remains for basing is fucking horrifying.
>>29417013Blue Whale.Maybe if you mix the ashes with a lot of plankton you can feed it to whales?
>>29417048I meant the title...
>>29417030I can understand the sentiment, surely enough. I was just hoping to get your opinion laid out for discussion, but please don't use the tired "if you don't know why I'm not going to tell you" excuse either, vagina's get checked at the door.
>>29417076Femanon here. Please don't compare us to this dick, we don't want him.
>>29415916>Emperor-Father watches over his true son and his follows/descendants for all time.Beautiful
>>29414600Stick them into your penis hole, become full circle.
>>29417076Well, how about this one?"Your dead father is not your personal toy."Christ.
OP, this depends on whether you want to make something for yourself or something to remember your dad by.if you want to make something for yourself, make something that you will use frequently and will be durable and made to lastif you want to make something to remember him by, think of something he might want to be a part of and try to incorporate his remains into that item somehow.
>41st millenium >not making a custom terminator sculpted with your dad's face backing up your space marine bros
>>29417105you can check your vagina at the door and be a femanon, femanon.Its a general term, for telling someone not to be a wuss on the internet.Especially not when the opposite party wants to discuss the matter politely.
>>29417105Get the fuck out of here.
>>29414600Sorry for your loss anon.I think the idea is rather heartwarming, but I'd run it through the rest of your family first.
>>29417122that's really up to the family to decide, isn't it?
Use it to make a "stone" top for your gaming table, then you would game with your dad forever and ever.
>>29417122oh yeah, I had this one idea for turning Fred Phelps ashes into a diamond, and suspending it at the head of a glass dildo, then passing the dildo around to numerous male and female gay couples to make video's of themselves using it, then spamming youtube, news outlets, and tube sites with the video's on a weekly basis.The goal would be to have it travel to every nation on earth, getting rammed into gay ass and the evidence put online for the worlds amusement.That said, it would probably just make them self satisfied through all the attention.
>>29417105You. I like you.
>>29417184Well I guess, but they would have to be really fucked up in the head, anyway I'm not going to "discuss" this. OP, do whatever the fuck you want with your beloved dad's remnants. Just think about what he would have wanted for his family to do with him, don't be an egoist. There is probably a reason he wanted to be incinerated instead of buried. I hope you make the right decision and don't regret it later.
>>29417120Don't you mean come full circle?
The carbonized bits (IE ash) can be made into black paint. Any bone fragment (although these are sometimes teeth) can be turned into white paint. Alternatively, something other than just extraneous fluff base material might be more fitting for dear ol' Da.Also take into consideration that the cremains aren't wholly just your father, by virtue of the cremation process. There are bits of Myrtle and Jeff and Bill in there too.
>>29416430>>29416007Huh...So, consider what OP said about his father... you could say he would have die-d as he lived.
And this, children, is why necromancy is considered Evil in DnD.
>>29415933Excuse me for not playing my grandfather's bones like a xylophone. Not all of us can be cultured europeans who know the proper way to revere one's ancestors is by defiling their cadaver.
>>29417478>xylophoneAmerican pleb, everyone knows the correct way to honour them is to make their skeletons into toilet decorations.
>>29417506Honestly I would personally put the ashes in an urn...But if you have to use them in minis I think sticking them in a dreadnought is a lot more respectful of your dad and others than using it as a basing material.Basing material always flecks off everywhere, and I don't want a dead dude shedding ash and bone all over my case, store, tables, or other peoples models. At least sticking him inside a mini contains the remains and through an imaginative stretch is not so dissimilar to a decorative urn.
>>29417587This. Small glass bottle, interr small glass bottle into dreadnought model via super glue.
>>29414600STICK HIM IN A DREADNOUGHT.EVEN IN DEATH, HE STILL LOVES YOU.
What army did your father play? What was his favorite?
>>29417407Wait, when did myrtle die?
>>29414600That's a bag of gravel, OP.Methinks your crematorium took money to burn your dad and then just dumped his corpse in a canal somewhere.Hate to break it to you, but this sort of thing happens all the time.
>>29417763Nah it looks like that since it's majority burnt coffin.
>>29417587>dammit, even when in death you make a mess everywhere!
And I thought cheeto stains were bad enough. Now I've got to worry about dead man ashes getting all over me. Fuck you OP, for being an insensitive, creepy fuck.
>>29417804>>29417763Funeral director here. Cremains are bone fragments and dust from other leftover bodies in the retorts that couldn't get scraped out the first go around. "Ashes" do look like that, and "coffins" are very seldom put in, unless they're wooden or fiberboard. Typically, bodies are placed in large cardboard boxes. It heats up to 1800-2200 degrees F, typically, so all that's left is really just calcium and whatever doesn't have a boiling point above those temperatures, like most metals (fillings, prostheses, etc)
>>29417884Yeah, most coffins in Europe are wood, that's why I said that. I'm surprised at the plastic bag thing, over here you normally get a plastic or glass urn.What do you do if someone has a whole metal hip that won't burn away?You can't just jam it in the urn.
>>29414600Compress into D6s.
>>29418015>What do you do if someone has a whole metal hip that won't burn away?In the UK, the NHS usually wants the metal bits back. Otherwise, the crematorium sells the metals off for scrap.
>>29418015The plastic bag just catches the cremains, then those are put into the plastic box from>>29414968The metal replacements get thrown away into a hazardous materials container, and other things that the machine won't grind, such as metal dental fillings, are sifted out with a magnet after the bone fragments have been scrapped into a trough after cremation. After the metal parts are removed (including screws, nails, bolts, etc), the bones are then ground into those "ashes."
>>29418055hahDoes the family get a rebate out of it?
>>29416869I have no idea, I looked through the folder that I used when posting a picture. Image swap?>>29416889What causes these shenanigans?
>>29418097>Implying dental amalgam is ferrous
>>29418155woopsWas thinking pacemakers, but those are taken out before cremation. I have no idea how that became "dental fillings." My bad.
>>29414600>crematedI hope you kept the skull for the lord Khorne.
>>29418097Metal fillings are actually burned with the body, and cause significant pollution.Yet another reason why I refuse to have mercury fillings.(The main one being that they leak when cracked, and I'd rather not have that happen again.)>>29418114I doubt it.I remember reading somewhere that they're just cleaned and re-used in some cases.
>>29416987Unless you play FATAL with your dad.>Are you sure you want to roll for anal circumference with me, son ?
this is creepy as shit and i hope you get haunted for turning the remains of your dead father into a toy.
>>29418302>I remember reading somewhere that they're just cleaned and re-used in some cases.Materials engineer here, I doubt it because hip replacements, even if they are usually not entirely in metal (head is in ceramics), the steel in the structure would be degraded at this temperature and thus not suitable for hip replacements (too brittle).
>>29418441How about titanium?
>>29417884Do you play Vampire Counts?
>>29418580Warriors of Chaos in Fantasy (Khorne worshippers)Imperial Guard in 40k.However, I play creatureless black in Magic (I don't keep up with standard)!
>>29418520It would probably require to be recasted again, not simply cleaned.Fe and Ti are both allotropic metals and thus are sensible to solid phase changes and thus sensible to high temperature heating and different cooling rates.
>>29418630>Khornedo you have a skull at home ?
>>29418652Cat skull I stole from the anatomy lab at the community college I transferred from. Does that count?
If you really, really want to do this in style, get a Thousand Suns army, hollow out the minis and put a piece of ash in each. More in Dreadnoughts and stuff. Otherwise just bury that box with the contents.
>>294187168/10 -1 Because it was a dick move and dick moves are Tzeentch.
>>29417861Just remember that we're all breathing in a little flake of hitler's charred corpse.>>29418130a derp in a line of 4chan's image server code - whenever two people on ANY of the boards posts an image simultaneously the images will end up swapped.So whatever image you meant to post ended up in /b/ or /cm/ or /hm/ or /fit/ or wherever that image is from.Note that I personally hope moot doesn't fix it because it's hilarious - we had a /tg/-/d/ swap a few days ago and it was glorious.>>29418632I think you mean "susceptible" not sensible.But yeah - what has to be understood about metals is that there's the substance and there's the 3D structure of the crystalline lattice that the substance can form, and it's this crystal lattice that ultimately detirmines the structual properties of the finished material - the reason why FeO tends to destroy metal when it forms while TiO forms a protective layer is because FeO warps the local lattice and flakes off and TiO doesn't.But heat up Ti and the lattice will shake itself slightly looser than usual, and then cool in odd and less structurally sound ways, and you'll have nano and pico scale cracks throughout the material.Give it to the NHS or similar medical supplier and they'll melt it down again before recasting, often saving them the cost of having to repurchase the metal at market rates and the risk of ending up with metal of the wrong quality and purity.
>>29418905>Creatureless black.Khorne is also red, or red/black at best, and certainly not creatureless.
>>29417897>If you send a pet crematorium a cat without any bones, they will send you bone ash backWho the fuck would send them a cat without bones?
>>29419084People trying to prove that they're committing fraud. It was a Freakonomics podcast.
>>29418991>I think you mean "susceptible" not sensible.Yeah sorry, english isn't my first language.The problem here is more than at those temperatures, there is a risk that the grain boundaries within the metal will melt (metals are made of a lot of crystalline grains of different orientations, pic related it's aluminium but you can see the grains).The grain boundaries are most likely to melt because their composition varies from the grain itself (a metallic alloy is rarely homogenous) and thus the melting point will be lower.Also, heating a metal will usually close the small cracks within as the atoms have the energy to "get back into their place". The ceramics, on the other hand...
>>29418055>wants the metal bits back.How ghoulish. As if I didn't need any more reasons to think the idea of state-run healthcare was a bad idea.Sorry for the off-topic, so here's a picture of a guinea pig all set for a LARP.
>>29419383>As if I didn't need any more reasons to think the idea of state-run healthcare was a bad idea.Why do you think that privatized healthcare is a GOOD idea?
>>29419383To put this in perspective, in a private healthcare system the guy wouldn't have had any hip replacement, except if he accepted to sell his liver.
>>29419461>Ludicrous hyperbole without basis in reality>Perspective
If OP is planning to put the ashes/cremated remains into a Dreadnaught, my advice would be to do it with a larger statue, rather than a tabletop mini. Sculpt it 1:20 scale, and either put the remains into a compartment inside and seal them in, a la a more traditional urn, or mix them in with whatever material you use to create the statue. Make a nice display base for it, too, with a nameplate or inscription on it.Then put it on the mantel, or something.
>>29419568How much is a hip replacement in the US if a band aid in an hospital is $800?
>>29414600 Dice, man! Compress them into dice-shapes or something!
>>29419383It was a joke you moron, not only is the metal unusable but each hip replacement is individually measured for.>not wanting free healthcarethat's like turkeys voting for christmas
>>29419634We eat turkeys at Thanksgiving here, not Christmas.
>>29419585Actually, I was just talking to a friend who works for the main company that makes the actual bits that go into a hip replacement.Their product costs $300 to produce.They sell it to healthcare providers for $5,000-$8,000.This becomes $18,000-$30,000 for the consumer, BEFORE the actual cost of the surgery or hospital stay comes into play.And THAT is why a privatized healthcare system is fucking stupid.
>>29419660We also eat turkeys at Christmas. Fuck, my family eats turkey all the time. It's cheap as shit.
>>29419660I am more than fully aware of that, I have lived in both the US and the UK. Put it this way, on the side of the Atlantic I'm currently on, Breaking Bad would have never happened as Walt would have got all his chemo free and drugs either free or at trade price.
>>29419794>$300I'd have say less. Probably including research costs and all ?
>>29419383There's been an governmental attitude about the Necromantic Health Service in the last couple of decades that it should "be cost effective"... which largely seems to mean cutting the funding it needs to employ nurses, doctors and obtain neccesary medical supplies, so there's been weird "Cost saving" measures like reclaiming metal hips and stuff.There was also a scandal a few years back because it turned out a few hospitals had been getting around shortages in the number of tissue donors and the costs associated with buying from the international donor market by straight up harvesting stuff from patients who died in hospital without telling the relatives.For added surrealness it was only discovered because a nurse in a hospital that had quietly stopped the practice found an old but still running fridge of body parts in a storeroom and started asking questions.
>>29419860>There's been an governmental attitude about the Necromantic Health Service in the last couple of decades that it should "be cost effective"...That's why you shouldn't let the right wing in charge.
>>29419813/ck/, pls stay
>>29419851I'm just repeating the numbers he told me. I'm assuming that $300 includes wages for workers, operating costs, etc.>>29419902I love you too.>>29419929I... don't quite follow.
>>29420026>I... don't quite follow.Over here we cook the turkey with bacon and chestnuts for christmas.Needless to say, it's delicious.
>>29420058Interesting. Here, we fry the turkey. Because we fry everything. And it makes everything better.
OP you should have asked for your father's fingers and carved stuff out of his finger bones.
>>29419461>To put this in perspective, the Guardian tells me that in America, if you don't keep up with payments on your new organs, hitmen will be sent out to murder you dead and take your organs.
>>29419634>Thinking state-run healthcare is actually freeYou do know that those higher taxes you pay are why you have no upfront costs directly associated with your healthcare, right? Your healthcare system is HARDLY free, it's just that by the time you use it, you've already paid the bill.>>29419447>>29419794>operating above costs = fucking stupidPart of the reason they do that is so that patients don't have to be put on years-long waiting lists for procedures like in the NHS. Because of the for-profit nature of a private healthcare system, being put on a waitlist is rare for anything but an organ transplant, where the only deciding factor is *extremely* limited supply.
>>29414600Op if you still lurk, an idea; mix the cremains into a clay mixture and make an urn out of your dad's bits. Ironic twist.Or you could use the grist and calcium bits as rocky terrain on a board. Don't base your minis, make a table.Or you could grind the old man up into a finer grain and mix ni some rubber cement or some shit and cast some dice. Or you could put the ashes in a box and mail what's left of him to whoever he hated most in life; ex-wife per se.Or you could dispose of the fine powder, get a small aquarium, put the small bits in the bottom and fill in whatever excess space with regular aquarium rocks, then have it be a fish tank for whatever fish he liked/ would have liked most.Or you could make an ashtray with the above clay suggestion.
>>29420519>years-long waiting lists>hip replacementtop kek
>>29419890If the right wing were in charge, you'd have private healthcare, and you wouldn't have the government harvesting unusable bits of metal, an action that is more expensive than just scrapping the metal, especially with the expanded paperwork involved in reclaiming the useless scrap.
>>29420519You're an idiot. I can't even begin to comprehend how you think the status quo is a good system. Unless you're a healthcare exec, in which case I totally get it.
>>29420598>If the right wing were in charge, you'd have private healthcareAnd you'd also be unable to afford healthcare at all.
>>29414866Mix it into your paints for gunpla.Then your dad will haveBECOME GUNDAM.is your body ready?
>>29420452It's true, didn't you watch the documentary?
>>29420452That's extremely funny to think that in america, a hip replacement actually cost you a leg.
>>29420728Not only is that not the image I chose, that isn't even an image in my library. What the tits?
>>29414600>>29420694This.Your dad will be FOREVER GUNDAM now.
>>29420792GUNDAMORE WA GUNDAM DAhttp://youtu.be/ntpNztrWF0M
>>29420780I bet the jews did this
>>29420647Wow, you just go straight for the name calling and couldn't even come up with an ad hominem? Good job there.Just because I think a private system is better than a public one, doesn't mean I think the system in place is perfect. I just look at the results of what state-run healthcare has yielded and come to the conclusion that replacing the status quo with a feel-good solution that gives inferior results won't give good results.
>>29420780Sometimes 4chan fucks up and switches two images that are being posted at the same time. That or you're lying and selected the wrong image at some point.
>>29420888Countries like France or Germany spend ten times less than the US per capita in healthcare with their public systems, and their citizens are way healthier than americans.Sorry if the reality contradict your nice theories.
Sorry, I'm bailing on this one.That guy over by the bar's been eyeballin' me the last half hour...
>>29420888>replacing one with one that is inferior>inferior one is apparently judged according to the sanctity of dead people's metal hips>implying this is even an argument and not terrible bait1/10 anon, it's the best I can give ya.
>>29414600Saw this conversation pretty late- But as a licensed funeral director, I feel obligated to weigh in a bit after browsing through the comments. First off- it doesn't look like the crematory they used pulverized the cremated remains very well, but either way- its all the same. As far as mixing the cremated remains into paint- there are already companies that will, for a price, mix cremated remains into paint and use said paint to create a portrait of the decedent. So as for using them to paint minis- I'm sure it wouldn't be too terrible. Sorry about your dad's passing. Keep it real.
You should commission a custom commemorative mini of your dad. You could even have it mounted on a hollow glass base that hold some of the remains. My dad wants to have his skin (specifically his tattoos) tanned and mounted for my brother and I to have and display.
>>29420971Thank you from bringing the French and German systems to my attention, I can only give a cursory glance to them at this time, but I'll be doing further research as a result. France's system isn't state-run, and it SURE as fuck isn't single-payer like the Canadian or UK systems. Without spending a few hours on research as I've done with the Canadian system (I can't find a formal name, if anyone knows of one, please let me know) and NHS: The patients in the French system get reimbursed for their healthcare expenditures along a sliding scale, and the German system seems to be akin to a mix of American worker's compensation and Medicare, systems that Americans tend to be quite fond of.Part of the problem the US has is our for-profit INSURANCE and the entire damn insurance system. They have to serve two masters as a result of their nature as both publicly traded AND for-profit entities: their shareholders, and their subscribers. Like anything, they can't serve two masters, and they have a legal obligation to server their shareholders' interests, leaving their subscribers in the dust.
> For added surrealness it was only discovered because a nurse in found an old but still running fridge of body parts in a storeroom and started asking questions.I'd play that campaign.
>>29421381Don't forget ridiculous regulations which make it impossible to get any actual competition amongst doctors and insurances companies.And how American treat insurance as some sort of healthcare plan. There is a big difference between the two, and people want to pay for a healthcare plan like if it were an insurance.
>>29421408I've played that campaign
>>29421066How about higher rates of cancer survival?http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/561737
>>29420541ThisOr make terrain out of your dads ashes.
>>29421455>Don't forget ridiculous regulationsBlarg, I know, there are certain states where a given insurance company has a de facto monopoly because no other company offers services in that state.I hadn't heard of treating insurance like a healthcare plan, but I don't doubt it for a second. I doubt it'll be fixed any time soon though, what with our cultural celebration of ignorance and idiocy.
>>29419794>$18,000-$30,000 for the consumer,Because of the way the insurance acts as an insulator against costs for many so the hospitals feel not so bad for gouging the insurance companies and the insured customers only shrug off their copay/deductible It screws the un/underinsured quite hard though.
>>29416927If we're voting, put me in for weaponising.
>>29414600Capped for future generations...OP, please don't go through with this
>>29414600>What are your minis based with?>My dad
>>29420519There is no undersupply of organs. The issue most organs are reject for small imperfection/the person not being the perfect candidate and good hearts which, with proper care and measure would lead to equivalent life expectancies.But, for 500 points, what makes this not be possible?>>29421681Dude, if your idea of insurance is that you can get AIDS and then go to an insurance company and not have to pay more, then you are mistaking the two, which is exemplified by the fact the new law enshrined this silly notion that pre-existing condition restriction are some evil ploy to kill American and take their money.My family has both a healthcare plan, which allows essentially "free" access to hospital, test, specialist, and the whole lot as long as we keep within certain bounds and go do regular check ups (as in, once a year check ups), and we have an insurance plan, where essentially in cases of great emergency they will pay a good deal of the costs. Then, to finish it off, we have a public healthcare system, but it essentially works like the last resort: it's free, mostly, but you can wait up to a month to get a specialist, and operations can take weeks of planning. If you need an emergency, prepare to pay. So most people just use the private healthcare and ignore the public one.
>>29421051good luck getting the d bro
>>29421381Things aren't so good in the UK right now in terms of the NHS.Basically, the Government is systematically turning a brilliant public health scheme into their own personal shitfarm, to the extent that, if allowed to continue, eventually the entire NHS will be privatised.Effectively, we will lose the NHS, and all so that Cameron and his mates can buy a new duck pond or whatever...
>>29422001>can buy a new duck pond or whatever.2 petrol airship carriers.
Don't they make a big-ass model that they scale down these days for 40k? You could e-mail GW and ask for an original-sculpt scale dread to inter his ashes.
>>29422001Labour is privatizing the NHS? Well fuck me. I might dislike public healthcare because I have never seen it work better than the private one when both exist at the same time, but that's just retarded.Let us sell all our powerplants to that shady Russian magnate called Chadimir Butin retarded.>>29422053>2 petrol airship carriersI know that keeping your hegemony and all that, but what the fuck do these people need a fucking aircraft carrier? The royal navy has always had as a doctrine to use missiles, detection, and speed as its weapons. What the fuck will aircraft carriers do for that?
>>29422092>What the fuck will aircraft carriers do for that?It's more bling. It goes with the rayban aviators and the Rolex.
>>29421841Government telling people that they can't sell their or their loved ones' organs and can only donate them (because ewwwww...), thus effectively creating a price ceiling at P=0 and causing a horrendous shortage. I'll take my 500 points now.
>>29421841Both of those are responses to me anyway, so...>But, for 500 points, what makes this not be possible?I'm guessing you know something I don't, so please, share.For a guess from what I do know? Fear of lawsuits, over-regulation, and/or lack of organ donors?>Dude, if your idea of insurance...Obviously not. My point is that a lot of Americans don't understand the difference between a healthcare plan and having an insurance policy. Nothing more, nothing less. Insurance companies DO fuck over policy holders by abusing "preexisting conditions" by refusing to pay for anything that could possibly fall under said clause.
>>29422115Now, things you can tell say that you did with your father's ashes, but not your wife.>>29422198Anon here is in the right track >>29422115 , with fear of lawsuits due to organs failing before they are "supposed" to a close second, with regulations making their appearance.And that comment was meant for the general population, not you, in particular.
>>29421946Well, I'm not about to let it run around causing havoc in my kingdom!
>>29422092A relative of mine is the a Comissioner for the Shropshire/Staffordshire branch of the NHS, they've been hit pretty hard recently.
>>29417841>>29421822over 9000 hours in mspaint
>>29422516I really don't what your government is thinking. You don't destroy your public healthcare system, you encourage the creation of a private one and allow the public one to become the last resort option so that you save money while attending the truly needy.
>>29422550I have a friend who's an entymologist and he uses dead bugs as minis. Guess what army he plays?
>>29422698"Just because I'm a lady bug doesn't mean I'm a lady!"
Get a decent artist, tell him to add clay and sculpt the face of your father again.
>>29422662Sisters of Beetle?Tyranids?Shilkworm Mahreens?
>>29422837You got it.
>>29415209But it sounds like he wants to honor it in his own way. It's not "hey let's bury the old man in the back"; it's "I want something I can remember him whenever I look at it. I look at my games a lot. Let's incorporate him into those."
>>29415933I live in America and although I'm not a patriot that was pretty harsh
>>29422973I agree. OP, this is a really cool idea, I personally think you should either make dice out of him or some models.
>>29422644We /do/ have a private system.The problem is that the Tory party has little to no interest in the middle and lower classes, and has really only been looking to line their own pockets since they got into power.I think the only thing that's been keeping the UK from falling over the brink is the fact that we're in a coalition government, so the Lib-dems can keep the worst of the Tory bum-fuckery off our backs.Even so, any kid who doesn't go to Cambridge or Eaton (most of them) is going to have one hell of a time when the new exam system comes into play.Gods, it's a wonder Cameron hasn't been shot already...Still, the country has a history of being run by idiots.
>>29415916>>29415012>>29415261>>29417035>DreadnoughtOP do you even love your father? It is clear what you must use him for.
>>29423121>Anonymous 01/10/14(Fri)19:25 UTC-8 No.29423121>>>29422644>We /do/ have a private system.>The problem is that the Tory party has little to no interest in the middle and lower classes, and has really only been looking to line their own pockets since they got into power.>I think the only thing that's been keeping the UK from falling over the brink is the fact that we're in a coalition government, so the Lib-dems can keep the worst of the Tory bum-fuckery off our backs.>Even so, any kid who doesn't go to Cambridge or Eaton (most of them) is going to have one hell of a time when the new exam system comes into play.>Gods, it's a wonder Cameron hasn't been shot already...>The problem is that the Tory party has little to no interest in the middle and lower classes, and has really only been looking to line their own pockets since they got into power.>Lib-dems can keep the worst of the Tory bum-fuckery off our backsPeople really believe this shit? You know they're the same people with different names, right?
>>29423121I think we disagree on who is more to blame: I blame labour stupidity while not forgiving those two faced fucking tories.And no, anon, we don't have a private system. We have an auxiliary system. Go to, say, Panama and you will see what I mean.
>>29423195>OP wants to use human remains as basing material>thread turns to discussion of Britbong politicsNever change /tg/
>>29422985True though.American culture is 100 years old. That's what, two or three generations?No substance.
>>29423167forgive us for our small minded ambitions. >>29423370touche
You know, I'm glad I saw this happen.
>>29423422I'm glad you saw it happen as well. Good for you, anon!
>>29423283>100>Actually 238>I would bitch but I don't know shit about other countries eitherYeah I agree, America has devolved into an absolute culture-less shithole even though it could have gone so well.>Freedom, equality, fuck the manOf course it is a government therefore intrinsically shitty, and everyone also happened to be a racist dick who also hated the poor and women, from there it snowballed until we have MURICA today. where all of our laws are shit and justified with MUH RELIGION. On the bright side, no faggot NO NAZIS, BLOOD, NUKES, OR GENITALS IN OUR VIDYA/MEDIA. Like those faggot countries over east.Britain, Sweden, Ireland, and the Netherlands look so much better
>>29423527>IrelandBut there's holy war in the streets of Belfast.
>>29423590Yeah I don't really into news. The most I know about Ireland is from Frankie Boyle and how Glasgow is a shithole.
>>29423527>Britain, Sweden, Ireland, and the Netherlands look so much better....I seriously hope this is a joke.
>>29423677Ha. That's Scotland you're thinking of there.
>>29414600Could you please stick your dick in it?Post pics
>>29418055It's pretty much the same in Canada, but we send the remains to the NHL
>>29423694Everyone knows it's Norway that's the best country.>>29423677Americans can't into geography.
>>29423738>>29423727Fuck, I knew that. I haven't gotten any sleep I'm retarded.
My father died 15.11. . We couldn't drop the cremated remains because the cremation box was glued together.I didin't even like the guy but death makes you think.
Just use the ashes for a dark ritual, fuck.
>>29415014I'm friends with a a cremation tech. It ... depends, especially on how thick a person's bones were and how high you throw the temperature. My friend talked about how one lady was mortified because her husband's arthritic finger bones were nearly intact and recognizable because it was so advanced and hypercalcifed in areas.
>>29415097Plastic figure paint is a real shit way to honor someone, and not at all similar momskull wearing pokemon. OP should think about his father and his fathers interest. For example a woman's dad was a gunsmith, so she shot him out of a canon he built during his life. If he was a real family man, dividemhis ashes in to small containers and give it out to the people closest to him. If he was a religous man, an urn with a portrait of him while he was alive with in a small shrine with, depending on religion, a holy symbol (like a crucifix for a christian). Hell, store his ashes in an 8ft long dragon dildo and fuck his exwife with it (but actually, no). Get an urn, put the ashes ina urn, and think a good long time about what to do with those ashes.
>>29415162That Filename...Muh Sides!!!
>>29415916That's actually kind of sweet, in a weird way.
>>29414600I thought cremation turns you into ash. This looks more like oatmeal.
Maybe there's some way you can get him pressed into a set of dice.
>>29418441I'd think they'd have to tailored to the individual anyway.
>>29416927Make him into D6s, that way he'll actually see some use.
>>29420971That's because our country is a nation of fatasses. A fact you conveniently forget when it doesn't serve your purposes.
OP, you should give your father a base-ic funeral.
>>29423527> 238WellEven that's not really accurate, there are colonial traditions stretching back more like 400 years, the East Coast in particular. Between the Dutch, Spanish, and to a lesser extent the French and half the Scandinavian countries this country has all sorts of burial rites stretching back to the 1600's and almost none of them would allow for fucking around with bones or other materials of a dead body.
>>29416596no you aren't,you think you are but you aren't.
>>29420888Stephen hawking is a huge supported of the nhs, therefore you automatically loose by virtue of not being Stephen hawking.
>>29422092labour aren't in power right now. torys and lib dems in a hideous coalition.
>>29423194I sadly agree with you, all the current politicians in this country are old school buddies. the fact that some of them switch sides shows just how undedicated to their cause they really are.
>>29425578but that's technically the history of the countries that sent the colonial forces.American history in this sense refers to America after it gained independence or America after it became fully united.I've always thought that this is why you chaps have Renaissance fairs, because you missed out on having any real history so you pick and choose bits and make up some weird dark ages/medieval/Renaissance/early-industrial amalgamation and all pretend to speak early modern English while thinking it's old English.
>>29414938Roll dem bones
>>29427909make special dice.keep them in small box cast in glass with ashes set into it. place box upon game table.During end phase of games ,hold box up to light so it causes a shadow over the table field."ashes of my father,cast as god of fate,give me the power to honor you in battle!"Roll dice, win, claim complimentary bitches.
>>29421711Which is stupid as all get out. I went out and got rather intoxicated, so I apologize for not being about to form a more coherent portrait of my displeasure.