Chinese Print Companies are producing very good and cheap MTG "proxies". see: http://imgur.com/a/hLuw2and: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1532829955/wholesale_best_mtg_cards_for_collection.htmlThis thread is for discussion of Chinese Proxies, their effects on mtg, and etc.
>>29368386How the fuck do you buy from those chinese buyers anyway? They never answer. Fuck.
>>29376178THIS THREAD SUCKS MONKEY BALLS. BACK TO THE OLD ONE
>>29376210Why it hasn't even started.
I just have three questions:How do I buy this?How much will it cost me?Will the order get taken by the feds?
>>29376220old one was better. Back to the old thread,.
>>29376235It will not be taken by the feds.How buy? Idk man it's fucked up.Costs depends..
>>29368386for old threadanyway, I'm sure the guy is swamped, and hasn't responded to my message yet but the sales guy fromhttp://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1532829955/wholesale_best_mtg_cards_for_collection.htmlis online now, if anyone can figure out his actual prices / shipping / cards etc.
>>29376178> their effects on mtg,Will probably hurt business but improve competitive play by opening up build possibilities with cheap cards.
>>29376178http://pastebin.com/WPf6z25mExplains how to make a pack for more or less 15 euros. I ordered mine today, but for the Alibaba site shit's on fire yo.
Did the guy who was going to buy a bunch of Jaces ever have success?
Just to get this in early:Wizards doesn't sell individual cards. Ever. So, the fact that you're paying out the ass for a fetchland, isn't the direct fault of Wizards.However, buying fraudulent cards lowers the demand of cards through Wizards, since the secondary market will sell fewer and fewer cards.
>>29376231>Fetches and duels>casual staples
>>29376275I think the chinese stuff is higher quality?
>>29376280It's me, contacting them yet.
>>29376266This.So many versions of cards with stronger variants.Banning them in all formats would bring the cost down, which hurts wizards so they won't do it. Reprinting them would also lower value, so they won't do it.Now that they're reachable, Wizards will throw a shitfit, but I'll finally get my hands on some decent cards without paying out the ass.
>>29376328Yeah, now explain to me how to purchase it. Thank you in advance.CHECKMATEATHIEST:0CHRISTIANS: 1
The way I see it is that if Wizards won't reprint the original dual lands then they really aren't losing out on anything. The players who invest in them are, but losing is part of the investment.
We're all getting Jaces guys!!
I need to see a picture of like 50-100 stacks each 50-100 deep of staples and reserved list cards on /tg/ in a month or two.
Can someone please just write a step by step tutorial for how to purchase these things? I'm retarded and can't figure this out on my own.
The web-based TradeManager is under maintenance. Please install the TradeManager Client to chat.Installing the manager.., jesus
>>29376205This is what I really want to know. That and how to find the prices.>>293762371st Edition had some problems. 2nd Edition promises to change all of that.Also, everyone keep in mind this has been happening for ages. You can use something like Game Crafter to print out stuff.
>>29376421Now in contact with the main seller.
>>29376315>So, the fact that you're paying out the ass for a fetchland, isn't the direct fault of Wizards.No, they created the game and make it more or less fun (which determines demand) and they print the cards (which determines supply). Supply and demand set the prices, so WotC are in TOTAL control of secondary market prices.If you don't believe me, two scenarios: WotC prints a Tarmogoyf and JtMS in every booster of M15. What happens to the secondary market value of those two cards?Second scenario: WotC prints Umezawa's Jitte as a mythic rare in M15. What happens to the secondary market price of Jittes?Extreme examples, but they show how absurd it is to claim it's not the fault of Wizards.Yes, yes, "isn't the direct fault". Except that's meaningless bullshit. It's entirely under their control. You might as well say it's the fault of the individual secondary trader or the factory Wizards prints at. All they're doing is responding to the demands of Wizards and the market it controls.The only way how much cards cost on the secondary market can NOT be the fault of Wizards is if someone other than Wizards starts making cards.ONLY when Chinese cards fill the market will the price of fetches NOT be Wizards' fault.
>>29376601In search for another one!
>>29376695the fact all cards from m15 onwards will have a special hologram means all those chinks printing cards can go fuck themselves.
>>29376800I don't think anyone is thinking about getting the latest cards compared to eternal land bases and staples
>>29376800They would probably make more money printing the old stuff anyhow.
>>29376800Just like it did with Yugioh*!*This did not actually happen.
News from Aibaba500$ (1000 Cards) is the smallest possible transaction. 2bucks a pop.
>>29376720I wonder how well these people understand english...Captcha: since equalfy
500/1000 = 0.5c a card... my mistake.0.5c a pop
>>29376950why is the minimum 1000?
>>29376834>>29376840This. sure there is doubtlessly going to be new cards that are worth money, but almost all the $100+ stuff is old and most of that is on the reserved list. the new hologram won't stop them, and even if it did you can bet it won't stop them for long.also wondering about a point brought up last night - do we know for sure that a blacklight can spot these fakes?
>>29376950a card or set of cards How many do you have to get of each individual card? ex 500 jaces or 50 jaces 50 elspeth etc.
>>29376964ME: (20:43:13): http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1532829955/wholesale_best_mtg_cards_for_collection.htmlI want to buy thishow much do I have to pay for the smallest order delivered to my house.ME (20:45:47): I can wait for an answer...HIM (20:46:08): $500 for 1000 cardsthat is the smallest amountME (20:46:44): that's 2$ a card.I see....HIM (20:47:24): $0.5/cardyou made mistakeME (20:47:36): yeah sorry.hey no1000/500 = 2HIM (20:48:14): 500/1000ME (20:48:22): okay I am completely retarded.HIM (20:48:29): ahaME (20:49:40): I am thinking about itHIM (20:50:13): okay, that is our best offer at this time>that's why
>>29377002I will ask give me a sec.
Asked this : Waiting for answer...ME (20:53:15): My colleague would like to know how many copies there is of the same cardin the transaction of which we speak.ME (20:54:25): What I meant is :How many copies of ''Jace, the mind sculptor'' there is in this set, furthermore, how many different cards is there? Also, is it completely random or do you print in a certain pattern?
>>2937703175 cards per deck75 x .5 = 37.5add in shipping and I'd be willing to buy thatforcing one to buy 500$ worth of cards is really discouraging though
>>29377131Yeah I'l try to jew him out.
>>29376834This, I'd actually be interested in buying sets of lands (duals, shocks, filters, waste/strip/reflecting) from you guys if you ever manage to buy these.
New series unfolds.HIM (20:57:18): can you add my skype?I think the net work is not good hereME (20:57:31): yeswhat is your skypeHIM (20:57:51): (Hidden for purpose)more than 300 people asking me about the cards last nightit is insaneME (20:58:16): yes it is.HIM (20:58:40): I am stiring the marketME (20:58:43): addedHIM (20:58:44): I am really sorryME (20:58:49): No problems lol
FRIENDS I HAVE OBTAINED THE LIST!
Fucking duals man, you need them for everything, they are basically a necessity for the game as much as basic lands are if you want to play two or three colors, and yet do nothing by themselves. Why are the good ones always rare when everyone will need them? Are 3 good dual uncommons going ruin limited? Don't fucking think so.
>>29377229so based "stiring" the market chinaman savior for cheap mtg cards
>>29377131Get a group of friends to split it all.
>>29377274yup.here is the list:Tropical IslandTemple GardenStomping GroundOvergrown TombScared FoundryBreeding Pool Misty RainforstCelestial ColonnadeFlooded StrandArid MesaWastelandInkmoth NexusElspeth Sun's ChampionTarmogoyfCavern of SoulsScalding TarnHallowed FountainPolluted DeltaSurgical ExtractionSol RingUnderground sea Maesh FlatsReflecting PoolMutavaultWooded FoothillsWindswept HealthWatery GraveGodless ShrineNykthos, Shrine to NyxSavannahBlood CryptVerdant CatacombsKalonian HydraAvacyn, Angel of HopeThassa, God of the sea,Jace, Architect of ThoughtSwords to PlowsharesPlainsChalice of the VoidGoblin guideit that betrayssword of war and peacesword of fire and icepurphoros god of the forgesun titansensei's divining topdemonic tutorelspeth knight-errantthoughtseizepernicious deedsword of feast and faminegoblin lackeygoblin pilcdriverinquistion of kozilekengineered explosiveskokusho the evening starbonfire of the damnedral zareklona shild of emeriastoneforge mystic lona shield of emeriaspellskitekarn liberatedtundrapath to exilemountainswampfigure of destinyAther VialVampiric TutorSnapcaster MageAcademy RuinsBatterskullForcc of WillLeyline of SanctityIslandIntuitionSphinx's RevelationRcanimatc12x copies of each.
Tell him he's doing God's work.
These companies are just places with access to 4 colour industrial printers and the correct stock grade of cardboard. I managed to create a cube at my uni after contacting Cartamundi and buying a sample of the cardstock, the rest is just getting hold of high enough res (or being arsed to create vectors of) images of the cards you want printed and then praying for death as you cut and trim the cards to make them look legit.If you scouted around printshops near you and searched for 310/330 gsm Germany black core paper suppliers in your country you could very well print out a playset of exactly what you need for less than the $500 minimum order they're asking.
Have we discussed the most important part yet:Do they smell like real MtG cards?
>>29377330CMYK printing on the correct card stock sure does brother.
>>29377330Do actual Magic cards even have a smell past five minutes after opening them? I'll admit, the only boosters I tend to open are those at least a year old after the smell's gone soft, but still, my Polukranos doesn't particularly stand out as fragrant.
>>29377274>friendsMy friends have been in this longer than me and are bit... how might one say... purists? I don't think i could ever get them in on something like this.>>29377306D: I have no need for 12 of each of these...
>>29377394Take all the extras and smoosh them into one deck and bring it to the local game shop.
>>29377131Well we're anonymous after all, we're legion and shit.Sure we can gather 20 faggots willing to get 50 high play staples for $25. It's not like this guy's card pool is huge.
>>29377330twitch tv ajtyehthis guy had a bunch and ripped some up among other things.They pass most tests but fail some. They have the dot matrix, blue line / glue shit in the middle, just small typographic areas and slightly different feel.So yeah, it's good enough in a sleeve, but if someone looks closely enough they can probably tell.
>>29377394i would crop out that 9gag watermark if i was you
>>29377314Told him. His answer:>lol[9:05:07 PM] HIM: we just got these cards picture>>29377330Asking currently.>>29377394I have like 3 friends who would do that with me.I will try to make a deal for a 4x of each for 150$>>29377438I would love that.>>29377447okay...
>>29377306Lol @ basic lands upping the price by $30
That sucks, I was hoping to get some fetchlands for some casual commander play, but fuck paying for 1000 cards on a part time shit job budget.
>>29377465full art lands
>>29377465Son, those are full art lands.
>>29377465except it's much more inconspicuous and no one gives a shit .
>>29377492samefag, all the people at the place nearby are a bunch of 30 y/o neckbeards(including the shop owner) and I feel like I'm the only commander player that is below 25, shit sucks
>>29377551there is another option for you dude.http://pastebin.com/WPf6z25m
RESPONSE FROM THE SELLER:>the faces are almost the same, back got some color difference
>>29377574What is the quality of that printer?As long as it's passable in a sleeve for normal play it should be good.
>>29377601Good enough for casual with friends.Can hardly go trough tournaments and fnm's
>>29377594CURRENTLY NEGOTIATING 200$ for 360 CARDS(4x of each)
>>29377630Wait, so it isn't good enough to pass muster at FNM? It only really needs to be good enough that no one could tell looking at it while it is sleeved. It's not like there are weekly deck checks for counterfiets.
>>29377464If you can ship them to mexico city and have a way to receive money other than paypal (sorry, I'm still a bank account-less primate) I'm game for a 1x set.
>>29377654I would totally buy a 4x of each for 200. Oh god I want in on this.
>>29377664I don't own any so I Can't say, but I'm sure it's good for FNMespecially if you "alter" it with some border slop.
>>29377669>I'm still a bank account-less primateDo you pay your rent and bills in cash, or what the fuck?
>>29377654[9:16:59 PM] HIM: 320 cards in total,[9:17:03 PM] ME: yes[9:17:10 PM] ME: for 200$[9:17:17 PM] HIM: I would like to sell them to you, but the condition is we have no stocks at this moment[9:17:29 PM] HIM: more than 200 people asked me about that last night[9:17:40 PM] HIM: and we have to produce them again[9:17:47 PM] ME: How long would it take?[9:17:48 PM] ME: I can wait.[9:17:59 PM] HIM: maybe 10 days[9:18:14 PM] HIM: I will arrange an order right now
>>29377747Where do the rest of us plebs go to get an order in?
I can't go through that list, but I'm assuming it's every shock, every fetch, every dual?
[9:20:47 PM] HIM: that will be great of you[9:21:00 PM] HIM: actually if you can invest me[9:21:15 PM]HIM: I can give you an offer of $460 for 1100 cardsWhat do we do guys?I can't afford that, but together...
>>29377818can you post log so i know this isnt a scam?youve got me otherwise
>>29377799We currently have a problem with this:>>29377818When it's dealt with I will arrange something with you. And everyone who wants some in this thread.
>>29377802Jitte isn't on the list which is the only oversight i found. But the staple shocks fetches duals and manlands are.>>29377818I'm down.
>>29377818imo go lowest possible and say you want to buy more but are worried about quality etc. Say you have a lot of interest if they are great quality, but want to see first.
>>29377891I don't see Jitte or Deathrite.
>>29377306Holy crap, there's no Jace TMS on this list
>>29377990does it really matter?
>>29377747>>29377818Can you ask him to setup the list as a 'normal' product that people can pick up?That way he doesn't have to talk to 500+ different people for little custom sets.
>>29378003It's a $90 card that I'd much rather have then 2 dollar unglued lands.
>>29377990It's missing a few of the ones that have been going around in NC like JTMS, domri rade, and liliana, etc. So I'm not sure it's the same product.
>>29377881>>29377881[8:59:52 PM] HIDDEN: hello[9:00:03 PM] HIDDEN: hello[9:00:04 PM] HIDDEN: now[9:00:12 PM] HIDDEN: How are those cards done?[9:00:15 PM] HIDDEN: Is there a pattern?[9:00:25 PM] HIDDEN: How many multiple copies of the same cards do we get?[9:00:59 PM] *** HIDDEN sent MTG cards list.doc ***[9:01:32 PM] HIDDEN: okay let's see[9:04:13 PM] HIDDEN: You are doing god's work[9:04:57 PM] HIDDEN: lol[9:05:07 PM] HIDDEN: we just got these cards picture[9:09:44 PM] HIDDEN: One last question[9:09:50 PM] HIDDEN: do they smell like real magic cards?[9:12:52 PM HIDDEN: Can we, me and you make a deal?[9:14:40 PM] HIDDEN: the faces are almost the same, back got some color difference[9:14:56 PM] HIDDEN: how about your amount[9:15:21 PM] HIDDEN: I would like 4x of every cards in the list you sent me[9:15:24 PM] HIDDEN: for 150$.[9:15:40 PM] HIDDEN: that would be 316 cards[9:16:31 PM] HIDDEN: ?. it seems there are 80 cards in the list[9:16:37 PM] HIDDEN: yeah 80 sorry[9:16:40 PM] HIDDEN: 200$ then.[9:16:59 PM] HIDDEN: 320 cards in total,[9:17:03 PM] HIDDEN: yes[9:17:10 PM HIDDEN: for 200$[9:17:17 PM] HIDDEN: I would like to sell them to you, but the condition is we have no stocks at this moment[9:17:29 PM] HIDDEN: more than 200 people asked me about that last night
>>29378091[9:17:40 PM] HIDDEN: and we have to produce them again[9:17:47 PM] HIDDEN: How long would it take?[9:17:48 PM] HIDDEN: I can wait.[9:17:59 PM] HIDDEN: maybe 10 days[9:18:14 PM] HIDDEN: I will arrange an order right now[9:18:38 PM] HIDDEN: That would be great[9:18:44 PM] HIDDEN: And will it ship to my home adress?[9:19:03 PM] HIDDEN: yes[9:19:06 PM] HIDDEN: paypal[9:19:14 PM] HIDDEN: but you need to remind me then[9:19:21 PM] HIDDEN: I may not remember you at that time[9:20:21 PM] HIDDEN: Of course[9:20:26 PM] HIDDEN: I will remind you in 10 days[9:20:47 PM] HIDDEN: that will be great of you[9:21:00 PM] HIDDEN: actually if you can invest me[9:21:15 PM] HIDDEN: I can give you an offer of $460 for 1100 cards[9:21:36 PM] HIDDEN: humm[9:21:37 PM] HIDDEN: let me see[9:22:59 PM] HIDDEN: I am contacing my colleagues[9:23:00 PM] HIDDEN: ok, have consideration[9:25:39 PM] HIDDEN: Some of my colleagues are considering it please wait.[9:26:19 PM] HIDDEN: you study in which university[9:26:30 PM] HIDDEN: I was intended to go HIDDEN too[9:26:36 PM] HIDDEN: HIDDEN[9:26:38 PM] HIDDEN: in HIDDEN[9:28:01 PM] HIDDEN: ok, just wait for your colleague
>>29377909Great plan, like a small parcel and then say I will invest huge money... you are a genius.
>>29377721In fact I do, as in I go to the bank and deposit cash to the power/telephone/internet company's account, I just don't have one myself. Mexican bankers are sharkier than the jews and they always make up debts you never contracted to steal your money.
>>29378065I'm in NC, anyone know where I could get those walkers cheap? are they passable?
I paid .08 a card for these...
>>29377891Epic contacter guy here.What the fuck do we do now.
>>29378205They look good enough, but how do they smell?
>>29378120>>29378091alright, im game, now what
>>29378242You set up a paypal and in 2 weeks we get cards?
>>29378024Aking>>29378263Idk now what, small parcels, let's start with that.
>>29378260Umm like cardboard I guess?
>>29378290 A chinese print in demand service
Offering him to sell in small parcels, searching for a way to jew him out.
Ask him if he is going to solve the font problem
>>29378373it might not be the same place
>>29378355Tell him that if he does this, he'd get a whole heck of a lot more buyers!
>>29378166I don't think I could pay my bills with cash even if I wanted to. Digital money has got us by the balls.
>>29378355He's brutally overcharging you guys
>>29378373Currently asking>>29378392I already have friend.
>>29378318>Umm like cardboard I guess?What's the matter with you, never opened a booster and savored that sweet smell that becomes so familiar and linked with your childlike curiosity?
He wants us to wait for some days.
>>29378396yeah, it's about 10x what he was probably charging earlier I'm guessing, assuming alibaba was accurate.
The chinese print site I used cost .08 a card and took ~ 5 business days to get whatever cards I wanted delivered.
I just want to buy a paper version of the MODO Cube so I can draft with my friends but it seems like he doesn't have the cards.
>>29378396>>29378493I don't care.even if it was $7 for one Jace, it'd be a deal.$2 dollars for a set of staple cards!? Sign. me. up.>>29378024THISHe doesn't have the time to talk to every single person, just convince him to setup one list of cards that he prints (four of) and let him start printing!
>>29378555Can we get a proof?
>http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1532829955/wholesale_best_mtg_cards_for_collection.htmlAm I reading the numbers right?0.28 moneys per FOB5 FOB per set500 sets per FOB= 700 moneys?
>>29378450some days?how long specifically?
>>29378555Which one was it?Was it the one in this pastebin?http://pastebin.com/WPf6z25m
>>29378572Heres my chinese bootleg cube
>>29378555are those actual attemtps at replica or just cards for a cube? Like the blue paper / card stock etc
He said he is up to sell in small parcels.He wants us to wait for 10 days and it will be completed. Untill then I will ask you to contact me and only me, you can contact me here on this e-mail adress I will be making for the convenience. Fourchan_mtg_trade@hotmail.com(I will answer all questions)He said 200$ dor 4x copies of each cards listed will be available in 10 days.
>>29378636>upside downI want to hurt you
>>29378653Shit. That's kind of tempting actually. But it still feels like too much for bootlegs.
>>29378630A similar site..side note im the anon in the first note..I did explain eventually
>>29378668Its cell uploads they randomly do that>>29378646Theyre replicas>>29378602Like what?
EVERYONE.I would like everyone to send me a letter with his own offer.Let us work it down to this.100$ for 4 copies of each cards presented in the word document and I will send him this to get pressure on him.
I'm starting to wonder if these fakes have already shown up in my LGS. One guy there talks a lot about how he "knows a guy" in the printing business whenever people talk about alters, cube proxies, or similar.
>>29378720idk, assuming these are the quality of NC it's still pretty good for what you get, 4x every eternal land, 4x goyf etc. Makes a lot of decks pretty affordable and cheap to build.
>>29378810Both I and at least 3 Friends would be down, But going through a third party that is some random guy on 4chan is a little sketchy.
This whole situation made me (and a lot of others it seems) consider getting into making a powerful cube.Which raises the question - if it's just for playing a casual format with friends, why do you even need perfect fakes? Hell, as long as it fits a sleeve and is made of cardboard, I would prefer some custom full art for many of the classic cards.
>>29378935I will give you his information as soon as I get what I want, which is this:Write to me a letter that goes like this:Hello, I am interested in buying 4x copies of each card in the word document you offer for 100$ best regards blablaFourchan_mtg_trade@hotmail.comAnd I will send it to him, so we cna all get better results, + we still have to wait 10 days so what's up with that. Read the thread, I already posted our log.
>>29378977I had to go trough all that bullshit process on their main site and to get in touch with this guy, to please every of you need and you're all like''it's a little sketchy''yeah well I can just go fuck myself then.I'm just trying to get this better for everyone. JESUS CHRIST FUCK
Ask him to fix this and i'm in.
>>29378810Mexfag here, $30 for one of each card. (plus shipping)
>>29379025I believe you anon, you shall receive my letter momentarily
>>29379045And a big fuck you to you.LURK MORE JESUS CHRIST DID YOU NOT READ OUR CONVERSATION
>>29379025Lol youre still vastly overpaying.
>>29378810at 200 it's .625 cents per card. at 100 its .3125 cents per card. You can probably get him down to around 50 to 40 cents a card easy. Which was around what it was with the 500 for 1000. If we can't get him down to 100.
>>29378970(got cut off somehow)So does anyone know of some place that sells these cheap fakes? Or maybe just a high quality custom printing service?
UPDATE:SHIPPING INFORMATION:35$ if the weight is below 0.5kg
>>29379025Calm down man, I didn't mean any disrespect for the work done. But you have to realize the situation is on the sketch side
>>29379025You're a good salesman. Don't get your jimmies rustled, we're all exited here.I mean, fucking duals man.
>>29379065Sorry I posted this before reading about the format you want, /tg/ isn't normally this fast. I'l set up a mail now.
>>29379104>>29379119Yeah sorry. I'm just tired.... sorryAs soon as I have 5-6 e-mails I will send them to him, and he will probably contact you if not I will give you his info oh and can someone make a new thread? And screencap important stuff? If they want I mean Idgaf honestly.
>>29379089If based anon orders for all of us and it counts as one bulk order we can pull it off.>>29378977make it clear that you are making one purchase from him and that you will be distributing it afterwards yourself.
>>29379163I will probably go for that as thing seem to unfold.
>>29378977>>29379025Cool, is this the list you're talking about?29377306
>>29379100And this is too mainland northa america i imagine? flat rate?and thanks for asking
I'd recommend trying to get a sample first before the bulk order. If possible of course, or at least images etc.
>>29379200Mainland USA/CAN FLATRATEyes.
>>29379100320 cards weight a little under 1/2 a kg I think, but it may get heavier with the padding they use.
THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING!
>>29379212Asking at the moment.
>>29379212Yeah this is whats holding me back the most. I'd like to see high quality images of the cards. From some one other then the company, preferably from some one who knows what they are talking about and can give their opinions on the overall quality of the cards
>>29378636are they passable? what site did you order from?
>>29379284Yeah he's not answering. Just wait a moment.small reminder, new thread soon eh?Reminder 2: Send letters here: Fourchan_mtg_trade@hotmail.comDemand 4x copies for 100$
>>29379284100$-150$ for 84 playsets of staple cardsWorth the gambleyolo
>>29378293>>29378332>>29378360>>29378261Are the fakes that are showing up in NC.The imgur link shows how to spot the difference. Hell we could probably help him improve it by telling him the right font to use.
>>29379323ME: Okay I have over 10 people willing to buy from you[10:10:05 PM] ME: is it possible to get samples beforehand or at least pictures?[10:12:58 PM] HIM: hum,[10:13:08 PM] HIM: but still need 10 days
>>29379348Which is...? I'll tell him. (the font)
>>29379352They probably have 10 days of printing jobs on order and will take that long to free up the machines.
>>29379348lolpeople helping a printer out!
>>29379379thistell him there is a huge demand out there for top quality ones, and that if they fix up some of the errors and minor mistakes the demand will be absolutely insane.
>>29379384As the story unfolds.[10:14:53 PM] ME: And this might help you in your cardmaking: http://imgur.com/a/hLuw2[10:15:09 PM] ME: So you can use the right fonts and such.[10:16:09 PM] HIM: We know all the procedure[10:16:18 PM] HIM: so don't worry too much about that[10:16:22 PM] ME: Okay|!
>>29379379I think the font is only wrong on the goyf which may or may not be that big of a deal to some
>>29379484Its not the type its the Kerning.also the TM and copyright are a big give away
A mtgsalvation shill is spying on us.
>>29379284If ti's the same place that made the Liliana, it was good enough to fool starcity (or they are asshole jews, which is also probable).
>>29379567It's all good. The more people get interested or try to order these the better.
>>29379454As the story unfolds..[10:21:34 PM] HIM: ok, I will see that when I have timeWell I will come back with some informations in a new thread in 5 minutes most surly to give you his informations. PS. If a chinese guy adds you soon its normal he wants to sell you those cards.
>>29379567So what? What are they going to do? Go and whine to Maro?As long as you don't try to sell those cards, you should be good to go, assuming the quality is right.
>>29379682Originally Posted by mondu_the_fat View PostIt's "Kerning"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KerningBasically, the spacing between letters of counterfeits is very slightly off.In the link provided, the name "Tyler Jacobson" on the fake has wider kerning that that of the original one. It's most seen on the J a c o b part of the name.They're also using the wrong fonts. That's not Matrix Bold in the artist's name & Plantin in the text box, that's something else.Stolen from the autists over at mtgsalvation someone look up those fonts.
>>29379567The funny thing is that the post over there warning about the counterfeits is giving these printers a huge amount of publicity.
btw22v.en.alibaba.comis the NC proxies I believe, not sure if they match up with the guy you are buying / contacting.
>>29379735Final post of the epic contactor guy.Here is the one you can deal with:http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1532829955/wholesale_best_mtg_cards_for_collection.htmlHim: Delson HuangSkype:szwjpokerI'm off for the night.oh and the pastebin for those who don't want to spend hundredshttp://pastebin.com/WPf6z25mpool's closed, contact him fuck me. Good night faggots.oh and P.S.S you still have to wait 10 days.
ITT people who don't already make their own proxies. Like seriously wtf /tg/, I thought you guys were hobbyists...pic related which one is real?
>>29379871We don't make 460 proxies faggot
>>29379871Man, I want a reeses' right now.
>>29379797Nobody would have given a shit about the fakes, but then Wizards came along with their awesome holostamps, assuming people wouldn't figure immediately figure out that those changes mean that shit has hit the fan.
>>29379871Left.Are you kidding me?
I'm tempted to take pictures of real cards and post them over on salvation saying they're Chinese prints.
>people actually upset more supply of reserved cards might be createdgod why do these faggots exist.
>>29379871Can't tell if you're a troll or a dumbass.Seriously, a child could have done a better job of cutting out that picture.
>>29379988http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=579401 do it
>>29379871Neither, they're both fakes. The one on the right was misprinted/glued.
>>29379988gr8est b8 of all time"Look at my new shipment of chinese cards" then rip up like a 20 dollar card and show the insides and how amazing of a replica it is.
>>29380043>post pictures of real cards>people come up with all sorts of reasons for why they're so obviously fake
>>29380001They are the worst kind of elitists, they don't want plebs ruining thier oh so special legacy that only they and their friends can play.This is coming from a legacy player too, they are literally cancer on the game, they hoards obscene numbers of staples and just gloat about it.
>tfw SCG had sold some of these fakeshahahhahahahahhaahNOT confirmed though but someone posted some lili they bought off SCG and they where these run of fakes.
>>29380111Most dealers can't even spot fakes if they aren't complete shit, especially places that have lots of staff.
>>29380111I want to see this so much. Also with foils to make them really panic!
>>29380157I'm still not really convinced about their "method" for finding fakes with the artist name and wizards copyright symbol.
I have most Legacy staples and I hope these counterfeits get more people interested in Legacy. I kinda want to pull a Robin Hood with these cards
>>29380203More like Syndrome: If everyone is special, no-body is!
>>29380203Do it man. I've always been interested in legacy and would like to try it. The issue has always been those legacy staples which cost a metric fuck ton making it nearly impossible to actually make a deck to get into it.
>>29380232this only applies to those who feel buying said cards most can't makes them special.Most of us would just like to have them in a deck for the sake of its game play.
>>29379852>tfw can have the superior version of liliana, >tfw 9/10 of people won't notice...
>>29380203that'd be great.
>>29380343>tfw 9/10 of people won't notice...more like 999/1000
>>29379852Not to force or anything, but getting rid of extras should be pretty simple with the demand. 4x proxies where selling for $25-45 on ebay instantly.
>>29380203If I can get some of these prints and they are good enough to fool the naked eye I'm going to build a fuckoff amount of decks and just lend them out constantly. A legacy scene in a college town will be cool.
>mfw I'm the card everyone wants to dupe
>>29380504I think most people are more interested in fetches and duals. And full art basics.
>mfw magic will return to a time when any deck could be built for under $200Fuck collectors, fuck speculators, fuck neckbears crying about muh investment.
>>29379871Is that a serious question?
>>29380415This, I want some but I'm a poor fuck who can't affort the whole printing.And I doubt anyone wants the whole printing in the first place.
I don't make enough money to throw away $100. But I'd be happy to pay $30-$50 (assuming $0.05 per card) for a batch of counterfeit Legacy staples and give them away to people who want cards to play.
>>29380343>>29380380Nah, someone will think;>oh, liliana... oh wow, shes sexy!...err, actually 10/10 people won't notice... Unless you go up against another person with normal lilianas...THEN he'll call a judge just to spite you!
>>29380657>THEN he'll call a judge just to spite you!And you can say I bought them from SCG, go fuck yourself.
>>29380547Yep, that's what I'm interested anyway. JtMS might be a sick card, but duals and fetches are the foundation of any well performing deck.
>>29380702It's pretty ridiculous when the biggest cost of competitive decks is just the manabase...
>>29379871But I do. I won't even try to pretend it's remotely convincing, though. I only use it so I don't have to play my actual copy.
can someone post some photos of their legit cards? Im going to post them to mtgsalvation as real to fuck the thread up
>>29380656Idem. I can easily pay $30 for 1x of the cards mentioned here. Whomever mans up and orders will get sales.
>>29380741Paying between 1-2k for cards is what is ridiculous, I'd be completely fine if a whole deck at the highest level cost between 200-300$, but WotC decided to bring this upon themselves when they made the reserve list and made single cards worth 200$
>>29380063HOLY SHIT IT WAS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT ALL ALONGAre you chinese
>>29380785theoretically there are "real" fakes out there that pass as authenticI'd assume at least, but it's probably a completely closed operation. These appear to be guys with the supply / print shop to make them but no way to distribute properly like a front shop or group of ebay sellers so they just sell in bulk to anyone, hence the quality is a bit lower since they don't actually care about being perfect, just good enough.
>>29380785mtgsalvation is such a scrub website regardless, they all fucking suck at magic
Check out my power nine bruhs, lol jelly?
>>29380797I'm waiting for a reply now main issue was paying for the set. if sales are likely i might be more inclined i'll let the thread know if i do plan on going through with it. i am a student so moneys tight.
>>29380843No, he just switched them between shots.I'm still holding that they're both fake.OP, tear the real one in half to prove it's not a forgery!
i just need someone to take some photos of their cards and delete the image about 10 minutes after posting it so it cant be reverse image searchedseriously take a pic of anything remotely playable in modern thats mythic please and ill do the rest a couple of minutes after you delete the post to prevent reverse image searching
>>29380892It was a joke about how obvious the paper proxy was, it was on the right in the first photo he posted
>>29380825But it's not like it's the reserved list that keeps them from printing certain cards, like Force of Will. They just have a different idea of how the cards should be now.
>>29380925shhh its a secret dont give away my master forging techniques!
>>29380891>i am a student so moneys tight.We all know that feeling and I wouldn't be against you making a profit from middle-manning as long as it's within my purchase power.
>>29380965>They just have a different idea of how the cards should be now.What is modern masters and premium products for 500 Alex?
>>29380965Yeah, starcitygames' "don't reprint shit I can sell for x10000 it's value" idea of how the game should be.
>>29380891If you do the leg work and get lots of nice duals and legacy shit, ill buy at a premium.
>>29381073>>29381012honestly not looking at picking much of it up myself was more of a hey shit that's a good deal kind of thing. would be willing to offload lots of it, minus a few one off's of a couple duals maybe some other stuff.
>>29381330forgot to addmessaged him on the site and through skype, still no reply if all else fails and he gets to me tomorrow or after i get off here ill make a thread tomorrow at about 10:00 ish pst.
I just hope wotc decides to ban all alters over this
>>29381468They will, but it won't matter.M15 will have the Holo's, and that'll put Chinese back maybe... 2-3 months?
>>29381570I hope they make the holo foil into the set symbols, that would be awesome
>>29376695They care a lot about the limited environment. this affects game design.they also need to sell boxes.
new thread needed, past bump limit
>>29380028>There will be no further talk of actually ordering these or requesting samples; such talk is tantamount to proxy creation/printing discussion & will result in suspensions.dat autism
>>29381866>>29381903It's more like they don't want to get into lawsuits and problems with Wizards for hosting counterfeit distribution.
If I want to print my own proxies out, where is the best place to get HQ card art?
>>29381950> for hosting counterfeit distribution.my sides
Some real magic in that salvation thread
>>29382167Scientific facts are the real magicks.
One of the MTG salvation mods is a fucking furry, I hope the freaks get purged from the game once their collections aren't worth shit.
>>29382167Maverick keeps it real.
>>29382167I think we've found OP image if we get to a third thread.
got sent this from alibaba guy
>>29382871can we see rest?
They ... They ... have rpg sub fourms on mtg salvation. The sues, the absent fathers, orphans, every thing. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=182051If people want to look for more stuffhttp://forums.mtgsalvation.com/forumdisplay.php?f=42
>>29382682nope keep the top part
>>29382904ill ask him
>>29381679Thats what they should have done, but nah, they are going to just put it on the bottom so computors can scan em.
>>29382956looks like same as before 10 days time contact him he said he would leave cards. no word as of yet on more pictures
>>29383071Just got here. Is there some kind of breakdown as to who to contact and the like?
>>29383091Yeah guy is currently flooded with people asking about it. He won't have anything printed for 10 days. >>29379852 has more info. Currently price is either 200 or 100 (not sure) for 4 of each of the cards 80 nearly all staples.
>>29383174to add to this guy asked please don't contact him through the skype use the email.
>>29383301what's the email?
>>29383416read the damn thread. also there is such a thing as control F
>>29383416>>29383433No email on the thread, just go to this link and figure it out.http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1532829955/wholesale_best_mtg_cards_for_collection.html
>>29382682Nah, needs the context of the original post.
>>29380343guys... it says space cadet proxies at bottom...
>>29384748Hence why only 99/100 people won't notice.