The rest of the team doesn't make it back to Oorai until late that night- the ferry ride was practically buzzing with excitement- you'd won! Oorai had won! You aren't sure what the girls had been expected- you hope they were expecting a win- but this sense of victory seemed so unexpected.You are Commander Russells of the M26E1 Pershing Heavy Tank and you try to temper your jubilation, remaining aloof from the excitement of the noobies at their first big win- Yeah, you were going to win. No question about it.Miho, however, looks worried- it's probably the fact that her driver, Mako Reizei, had found out her grandmother was in the hospital after a fall. Mako, along with Saori, had gone to her grandmother via Kuromurumine Helicopter. (If you could call that flying contraption a helicopter.)>"Lighten up, will ya? We won!">"I'm sure Mako's grandma will be fine...">Other.
>>29306276>>"I'm sure Mako's grandma will be fine..."
>>29306276>"Lighten up, will ya? We won!">"I'm sure Mako's grandma will be fine...">Kiss her on the cheek.
>>29306276I'm sure Mako's Grandma will be fine..."
>>29306276>"I'm sure Mako's grandma will be fine..."We should probably schedule a visit to see how Mako is holding up and to put Miho's mind at ease.
>>29306276>"I'm sure Mako's grandma will be fine...">Other.Put your arm around her and give 'er a squeeze.
Rolled 71>>29306276>"I'm sure Mako's grandma will be fine..."
>>29306276>"I'm sure Mako's grandma will be fine..."
>>29306276>"I'm sure Mako's grandma will be fine..."It'll be alright.
>>29306601>>29306276[x] APPLY HUGS TO GF
>>29306923HUGS. APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE GIRLFRIEND.HUGS. APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE GIRLFRIEND.
>>29307147This is important
>>29307183I know.Which is why we apply hugs to the Miho.Hugs make everything better
>>29307102why must you do this anon why pls no>>29306276Apply hugs liberally to girlfriend.Nonna feels soon, tovarischs.
Totally missed last thread because I thought it was happening on Saturday, so I'm glad I'm here tonight.Ya know, if Gramps isn't banging the shit out of Mako's grandma I'm going to be very upset with you BJ. >>29306276>"I'm sure Mako's grandma will be fine...">Let's try calling Saori
>>29307461Nobody in Ooarai needs that mental image.Opposing teams on the other hand...
>>29306276>Other.we hug our waifu Miho.
>>29307349Yes! I finally catch a session! I look forward to your writings Vanya. Weather over in Indiana made me miss the last two sessions. >>29307461I'm kinda disappointed we never got to see Creed as Kay's dad, but I'll get over it. we do>>29307147 while saying >"I'm sure Mako's grandma will be fine...">Let's try calling Saori I did this before, but: HUGS FOR THE HUG GOD, LOVE FOR THE LOVE THRONE!
A couple threads ago the issue was raised of posting writefaggotry in pastebin so as not to crowd out blackjack and possibly try and coordinate our writings. If it pleases the thread, I am willing to host a Google docs file where we may post our work, comment on it, and collaborate for greater quality writing. Vanya, /k/, Sentinel, Spreadsheet, everybody else, how does this sound to you?
>>29308137I'm not really into sharing a Google Drive with other dudes, but you do what you need to.Sheilas and Sentinels is postponed indefinitely while I work on Wasteland Tankers Quest
>>29308137Or, you know, you could just wait until he's done before posting it.
>>29308536Most of us can't stick around until 5:00 a.m.
>>29308137>>29308536Not posting more would be fine, too.
>>29308536what >>29308590 said, and I was think of addressing the potential of collaboration mostly. pastebin would handle those who want to post then and there. >>29308644ok, that horse is officially beaten to death and then some. Did we kill BlackJack or something?
>>29308702Blackjack is always dead until he is summoned.>>29308637So do you hate all writefags or just that one?
>>29308739Not that dude, but a lot of the stuff posted here is pretty iffy.
>>29308702I seriously do not know who you are, but my love is reserved for my precious crew, my tank, and our teammates.And please do not wear a gasmask to school! You frighten us all.
>>29308739Bad ones.
>>29308702Yeah, it's getting kinda played out.Amusing at first though
>>29308810Our influx of new readers pretty much comes from TvTropes at this point>>29308814Oh god the dicks are neverending
>>29308790What the fuck kind of vagina is that? Or is it a very dubious colon?>>29308814I'm just a little bit impressed. Just a little.>>29308887Really? We have a presence in that creative hellhole?
>>29308935Just a fanfic rec.
>>29308935It's an asshole. If you do "Your dad" the anus is so tight it crosses into itself
You put an arm around Miho and give her a light hug. "Don't worry- I'm sure Mako's grandma is fine." You reassure her. "Tomorrow's Sunday... We'll go see them in the morning!" You say, enthusiastically. "Besides, we won- how's it going to look to the rest of the girls if you're moping about?"She smiles. "Just worried- Mako's grandmother means a lot to her." She looks out at the sun as it sets over the mainland. "That's a good idea, though- we'll catch the first ferry out to Oorai tomorrow!"It takes another few hours before the ferry reaches the Oorai schoolship (You're proud to say due to a combination of living on the carrier and having not eaten anything substantial since early this morning, you only have to run to the side and puke twice!) and when it finally docks its fully dark out- you can just barely see the crate containing Black Jack as it's craned into Oorai's shipping hold.When you finally arrive back home, grandpa is already there. "Hell of a fight you put up today!" He says with a grin. "Haven't seen Black Jack fight like that in a long time.">"It was only the first round...">"So, how did we do, then?">Other.
>>29308813(joke) I have severe ashma, the mask is a medication dispenser. you don't remember the kubinka tank museum. >>29308826>>29308810I accept that my ability as a writer is iffy. So far, the only think people have really liked is Heavy as Katyusha's father.>>29308935this is one of the few GOOD things to come from the limited selection of GuP fanfic.
>>29308935http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanficRecs/GirlsUndPanzerIt's how I found out about Quests, but that was back in like May or June at the latest.
>>29308887>TvtropesWe should try and get everything /tg/ related purged from there. Try and stem the tide of fuckwits.
>>29309031>"So, how did we do, then?"
>>29309037If you came from TvTropes, for the love of God please go back.
>>29309031first >"It was only the first round..."then >"So, how did we do, then?">>29309050yeah, have fun swimming upstream there. best of luck to you.
>>29309031"It was only the first round,""Something happened to Mako's grandma. Miho, me, and a few of the others are gonna hit the hospital for moral support and to make sure everything is okay"
>>29309090Too late! :) that and I found this while roaming sup/tg/ archives.
>>29309031>"So, how did we do, then?"And not just Black Jack. Include the rest of the teams there.
>>29309031>"It was only the first round...">"So, how did we do, then?"
Thinking ahead to Anchovy meeting: some suggestions so her team is competitive given we have a Pershing that cleans house with Tiger IIs. For tankettes: Solothurn S-18/1000s or just get Cannone da 47/32 M35 and call it Semovente L3 da 47/32. For heavy tank killing power, get Semovente 90/53’s (congratulations, you now have your nationalized 88mm) and Semovente 105/25s (Italian T28/95, sort of). Upgrade the Semovente 75/18 to the Semovente 75/43 and you are now driving a StuG
>>29309037>Being on TVtwits>A good thing>EverFuck, no.
>>29309031>"So, how did we do, then?">>29309037Oh man, you're one of the guys who did that... 'RP' with the whole bit about some nazi escaping from Germany or some shit.You're lucky I only have porn saved on my tablet.
>>29309183eh, what ever you say. >>29309195for the record, I did apologize for and regret my participation that bit of... stupidity.
Let's dispel some of the faggotry by posting adorable garupans
>>29309297
>>29309297YES!
>>29309356>both waifusYou're killing me here, man.
>>29309297WHERE DID ALL THE JAGD-CHAN FAGS GO?
>>29309297>>29309335
>>29309393Christmas party.
>>29309195Ahahahahah what.>RP' with the whole bit about some nazi escaping from Germany or some shit.>RP>Nazi escaping GermanyAhahahahh oh god my sides. They're so far out in orbit not even the aliums can find them.
>>29309398Post the one of her dressed in a Zeon outfits and win my love
>>29309433It's real and it was the worst shit imaginable.
Best girl
>>29309378this is my favorite GuP pic, aside from this. sums up my feelings on the two perfectly. >>29309393well... yeah, >>29309424 puts it best.
>>29309475
>>29309424Chapter 8 is great
>>29309465
>>29309475Assam is best indeed
>>29309538Ask the resident Troper.
>>29309488Classic.
>>29309356>Not Nonna and Kaytusha.png
>>29309556Also some Kay.
>>29309538No, you don't. really, you don't. the best part was 'Speer is suffering' everything else proved the old saying of '90% of everything is shit'>>29309556>>29309616Great pics!
>>29309578>>29309639Here.
>>29309475I like Darjeeling more.>>29309457I don't have that one. ;_;
>>29309556
>>29309691You just made my day/night anon. Have a 'net cookie.
>>29309704I'd post it, but I'm on my tablet...
A Yukari is also good.
>>29309704
>>29309547I wonder if their school had any slutty chavettes.Also, depiction of glorious commonwealth only makes me more curious as to how thw Koalas would've been portrayed if any mention of Australia was ever made.
>>29309806think rule 63 Sniper from TF2. or ask Sentinel.
>>29309752Please, stop posting.Change your name.Come back once you've faded from this dubious sort of fame, and hopefully either learned to write better, or at least shitpost less.
>>29309806Like the French you would know because they would speak in OUTRageous accents.
>>29309847>Telling sentinel to ask sentinelReading comprehension, mate.
>>29309847Um, I AM Sentinel>>29309556Pic related>you'll never go camping with Yukari
>>29309802Lol Crocodile
>>29309862I concur.
>>29309891>>29309912 I just realized that five seconds after posting. I have no excuse. pardon me while I go reboot my brain with the wall.
>>29309806Slouch hats, shorts and shortsleeves, and a deep but friendly rivalry with St. Gloriana?
>>29309950Dude, lose the name while you're at it. It's serving no purpose other than to make yourself look even more like a tool when not posting writefaggotry.
Special delivery for Anchovy Writer
>>29310037I'll take it too
>>29310037
>>29310164> AMERICA
>>29309393
>>29310204>>29309356>>29309335>>29310212Shit, where were the 17 year olds that looked like that when I was in school?
>>29310265Japan
I am out of non-lewd Garupan imagesHave a Sentinel
>>29309457Here ya go
>>29310265There was like two at my school, one of them I actually got to feel up, but she was one of those Catholic girls that caked on too much make up and secretly craved dick.The other was an asian girl that always crossed her arms over her chest to hide them.
>>29310321so that's what they look like... neat!
>>29310286Is Karina meant to be from Koala Academy?captcha: fluids Russell
>>29310376>>29310399One of the freshman girls
>>29310351Thank you!
>>29310265The few girls at my high school like that were already taken, not that the geeky no confidence me would have had a chance. A few girls I know lost weight and looked like that after but this is like 3-5 years after hs.
>>29310374I asked for the art to be a non-cast armoured Sentinel, so in actuality those rivets on the lower hull wouldn't exist
>>29310492still looks awesome.
>>29310546Yeah man. I gotta do a bunch of things to it to bring it up to ACIV spec, add some camo, and then eventually make it into the completely made up ACV. Shortened 20-pdr, anyone?
>>29310315That's a pity.>>29310362>>29310438We didn't have any like that down here, at least not in any of the circles I ran in.We had a few burnt-orange cheerleaders, no attractive gay dudes, and a precious few cute mousy-haired frecklefaced girl-next-door types, all of whom I managed to weird out.The closest we had were a pair of Georgian (the country, not the state) sisters who had cute faces, cute accents, and shit personalities.Says the pot to the kettle.
>>29310646A sawn-off 20pdr wouldn't have a terribly significant performance increase over an APDS 17pdr. Better to just do a Super Sherman and shoehorn an L7 into the thing.
>>29310646forgive this anon's lack of knowledge, but what's an ACIV?
>>29310762Prototype Sentinel, from 1942 with hilariously strong armour, powerful engine, and a 17pdr. What the tank was originally envisaged to be, strictly.
>>29310762Sentinel ACIV. The one planned to have a 17pdr.
>>29310762Proof that Australians design better tanks than Americans.
>>29310808>>29310821ok, thanks.
>>29310761Possibly the short 90mm?The L7 hadn't been made in the timeframe I was designing this for (Korea) and by the time it did the country would've already switched to the Centurion
>>29310850The only tank Australia ever designed and it was a better design than the equivalent Allied tanks of the eraPity we didn't have the industrial base to make them
>>29310976(musing) better than a Sherman, probably... Better than a T-34... what's your reasoning for that?
>>29310976>a better design than the equivalent Allied tanks of the eraDoubt it.
>>29311058Literally anything is better than the T-34.Russian crews liked the M4 more than the T-34
>>29311072Sorry, shouldve specified the /Western/ Allied tanks of the era.Era being 1941-42
>>29311112Yep, I can agree with that.
>>29311058Better gun, better armor, better proposed powerplant. Better in every way in the individual sense, but quite possibly worse in the strategic sense.The t-34 was wonderful at the strategic level, but absolutely terrible at the individual level.
>>29311112If you ignore the M4 Sherman, sure.
>>29311224The Shermans in 1941-42 were still catching fire if you looked at them wrong.The Sentinel had better armour, better armament, better powerplant, better mobility. The only thing it was inferior to a sherman in was armour in the turret front.
>>29311224Basic M4? Nope.Sentinel AC1 is a little worse, but the production AC3 is far better. The AC4 shits all over every WW2 Sherman, too.
>>29311328Do you have that link to the article posted way back on the Sentinel's development? There are some powerplant specs I want to check out.
>>29310037>>29310140Aww you do care. You already gave me those thoughAnd I'm working on shit for you guys like I said, but I'm not staying up as late anymore so you won't see me around as much. See you all sometime later.
>>29311403http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Research/Sentinel/sentinelmk.htmNote: the 'better powerplant' bit would've been if could get those Pratt&Whitneys. The Perrier-Cadillac was merely adequate.
"It was only our first round..." You say with a shrug, trying to downplay the achievement. "I'm worried we might get too confident..." It's probably something Miho worries about too- whether today was real skill or beginner's luck- and whether the team would know the differance."Saunders was a tough team to start with-" He says, cracking a smile. "Those girls might have some grit afterall. Especially that Lee's crew- they had a hell of a shot to change the course of that game."You collapse onto the couch- exhaustion from the day finally overtaking you. You look up at Grampa Russells. "So, how did we do then?" You ask- you had a year and a half of experience. Your grandfather had two years in wartime and another decade of tanking after that."Not bad- a few mistakes here and there. It was a lot closer at the end than it had to be.">"I should head to bed- we're going to see Grandma Reizei in the morning.">"What sort of mistakes did we make?">Other.
>>29311503>>"What sort of mistakes did we make?"
>>29311176Better gun: not sure on the math, but I respectfully believe that a 76mm beats a 2 or 6 pound gun.Better armor: willing to buy that, but would prefer to do math accounting for armor bias (the sloping) before I put that statement in a paper.Better engine: keyword is proposed, but I know nothing about engines, so I'll defer to you.>>29311328Early model shermans had their shells stored on the turret floor, effectively strewn about loosely. add the thin armor and you get why allied troops in North Africa called it "Zippo"
>>29311503> What kind of mistakes did we make?We will do better and BE better
>>29311503>"I should head to bed- we're going to see Grandma Reizei in the morning."
>>29311503>"What sort of mistakes did we make?" (its a good idea to always ask the GM where we dun goofed)>other: I'm going call Miho and the group, check up on Grandma Reizei, then hit the sack.
>>29311561AC never had a 6pdr. The second gun was a redesigned 25pdr with purpose-designed APCBC ammunition. It also had a superb HE round.The AC 4 had a 17pdr which beats the pants off of every Soviet gun that wasn't the 100mm D-10T.
>>29311561Did they have the 76mm in 1942?Also, the 6pdr was a pretty good gun.And it was entirely due to the sloping why the Sentinel had better armour. It's 50-65mm of armour sloped at 24 degrees from the horizontal, meaning an equivalent of around 120mm.
>>29311649I've never liked the 25pdr. While it did have surprisingly effective penetration, that doesn't change the fact that it was a field gun in a tank, and that will always mean infantry support for me.The 6pdr for the Sentinel was a proposed armament tbat would've been accomplished just by swapping it out with the 2pdr gun already fitted. The turret would be cramped, but no modification was needed.
>>29311328>Better armourAbout the same in the hull, with 4-7mm difference. Better sloping on the ShermanTurret has a pronounced shot trap in the bottom of the side and rear and a large flat faced front that isn't fully armoured.>better armamentACI was a 2pdr, ACIII had a 25pdr.17pdr didn't get the SVDS rounds 'til '44, so penetration is comparable with the 3" AT HVAP on the M10 (which is a conversion from the M4A2).By the time the SVDS is introduced (1944), the TD conversion is now the M36 with the 90mm M3.>Better powerplant12hp/t is the same as the M4>Better mobilitySame turning circle, same ground pressure, same tracks.
>>29311665yep, that's better armor, both measured and effective. Also, if you're asking about the short howitzer (>>29311649 has it right), then I have no idea, Wikipedia does not give a date. If we really wanted to compare guns, I could troll Wikipedia and throw together a chart, but for now I'll take your word for it.
>>29311503>"What sort of mistakes did we make?"
>>29311784>About the same in the hull, with 4-7mm difference. Better sloping on theShermanTurret has a pronounced shot trap in the bottom of the side and rear and a large flat faced front that isn't fully armoured.Only on the AC 1. AC 3 upped the front armour to 65mm sloped at a hilarious angle.Also are you reading the wikipedia stats? Because they're if questionable veracity.
>>29311784>Better sloping on the Sherman????but there isn't?Everything else in the 'better' department is admittedly on-paper rather than anything that actually got built.
>>29311784>TD comparisonA bit disingenuous considering the 17pdr was fitted to the AC 4 in 1942.
>>29311973One AC 3 hull was built, with full armour scheme. It counts.
>>29312035I was talking about the powerplant and mobility in particular.And that from the very beginning they were designing the tank to have a large enough turret ring to put a 17pdr on it.
>>29311973>but there isn't?63.5mm at 47 deg from vertical compared to the 65mm LoS equivalent for whatever the Sentinel has.>>29311989Irrelevant. M10 was already in production by September 1942. And if you really want to push the "17 pdr is better than 3" AT", pic related.
>>29312201Compare the Sherman's 43 degree slope from horizontal to the Sentinel' 24 degree slope from horizontalit's just outright better, you don't even need to calculate that
>>2931220165mm at 24deg from horizontal. It's 120mm or armour effective.
>>29312201And the M10 has no armour. It wasn't a tank. The M4, an actual tank, with equivalent role, was markedly inferior up until 1944.
>>29311495Thanks. >>29311561>GunThe 25pdr was used in the AC3, and was much more capable of penetrating armor than either the American 75mm or the Soviet 76mm F-34. Slower rate of fire, though.>ArmorMuch better sloping provided more effective armor than either the T-34 or the Sherman.>EngineOkay, this one is a bit more tricky. The proposed Pratt&Whitney engine was functionally quite similar to the Wright/Continental R-975 used in the Shermans, but the Sentinel lacked the synchromesh transmission of the Sherman, which would have resulted in much greater wear on the transmission parts, not to mention a godawful grinding noise on account of the straight-tooth gears. The T-34 had a fuckhueg diesel that produced more power outright than either radial, but was also heavy as shit and had reliability only matched by the first run of Panthers.
>>29312308Actually, the upper hull of the Sentinel was 50mm at 24 degrees, which gives an equiv. thickness of 122.9mm according to http://www.panzerworld.com/relative-armor-calculator65mm was for the rounded lower hull
>>29312305>>29312308See pic.>>29312377If you're talking about the role of the Sentinel as a tank killer then you have to compare the M10 conversion of the M4, simply because the M4 was not designed to engage tanks.
>>29312457That would make the actual thickness of the armour something like 25mmI'm not so sure about that, it seems a little absurd.
>>29312718More research is needed, I should try and contact the Australian War Memorial
>>29312457>If you're talking about the role of the Sentinel as a tank killer then you have to compare the M10 conversion of the M4, simply because the M4 was not designed to engage tanks.I'm talking about the Role if the Sentinel ass a goddamn medium tank. They have the same role in practice regardless of what ass-backwards yank doctrine says the should be used for.
>>29311503>>"What sort of mistakes did we make?"Never hurts getting some critique from an old vet.
>>29312824Using it as a medium in what sense? Infantry support would kill the Sentinel in short order as it's a cruiser, not an infantry tank.Tank vs. tank? The 75mm was enough at the time to engage the Pz III and Pz IV tanks in the North Africa campaign, though the 17 pdr would definitely be lethal over a longer distance.
>>2931271825-30mm of actual thickness in the frontal armour, and 45mm for the rest, does not to me make a tank that weighs 28 tons, especially when armed with a 2pdr. It's not especially large holy fuck lightning strike across the street
>>29313053I'm looking at a foot of snow outside and building. If you're in Indiana, I quit.
>>29313053YEP, IM JUST GONNA HIDE UNDER MY BED FOR A WHILE
>>29313093Well, at least this means I can stop arguing with you and start writing again.
>>29313090I'm assuming Sent is an ausfag.Possibly QLD.
Is Blackjack dead yet?
>>29313090>No snow but going to hit -18f and windchill down to -42Minnesota!
>>29313140Yep, QueenslandAnyway, the Cromwell weighs 28 tons and even that had 76mm of frontal armourjesus christ it sounds like the sky is being ripped in half
>>29313255I don't l know which is worse: freezing but no snow, or just below and you're snowed in.>>29313264in that case, to quote a certain Handsome Hero, "Have Fun Dying!" (joking) capcha: saw USALtd
"So then, what mistakes did we make?" You say, throwing your arms behind your head and leaning back into the sofa. "We won, didn't we?""Well, the big one was splitting your forces there at the end." He says. "Could've kept your forces together- at that point you were an overmatch if they attempted to attack you head on, and you would've had a much easier time taking them if they'd gone defensive." He walks over and takes a seat on his La-Z-Boy. (One of the larger possessions he'd had dragged across the Pacific.) "Overall, you were too cock-sure and aggressive, especially considering Kay's superior numbers- you might knock one of them out, but if you've got four tanks firing at you, they're gonna get lucky before you're finished.""Yeah, well..." You say dismissively- you thought you'd done well. That Oorai had done well."Yeah, well, you're gonna lose eventually if you keep fighting like that." He says, cutting you off. "Easy for you to be a cowboy when its a game, but your aggression would've gotten you, your tank and your crew killed. Maybe not the first fight, hell you might've even made ace. But eventually aggression, if it isn't tempered, will cause a mistake." He balls his hand into a fist and makes the motion of an explosion with it. "Boom. Dead heroes."You're quiet for a second- It's a game, but it has its roots in real combat.>"I need sleep- going to visit Mako's grandmother in the hospital.">"It's only a game, Grampa.">Other.
>>29313490>>"I need sleep- going to visit Mako's grandmother in the hospital."
>>29313490>"I need sleep- going to visit Mako's grandmother in the hospital."
>>29313490He is rightLet's head to sleep and hopefully coerce blackjack into writing about Garupans in casual wear.
>>29313490>"I need sleep- going to visit Mako's grandmother in the hospital."I like this, but how does sleep=visiting the hospital... unless Mako is staying overnight and we...
>>29313490>"I need sleep- going to visit Mako's grandmother in the hospital.">OtherHow about you come along with me tomarrow....
>>29312457>simply because the M4 was not designed to engage tanks.You are so full of shit.
>>29313490>>Other."Thanks, Grampa. I'll keep it that in mind">Then>"I need sleep- going to visit Mako's grandmother in the hospital."
>>29313545With the weather being nothing but snow, I can't stop thinking about proper winter weather gear for the Pravda fight.
>>29313003It's actually great as an jnfantry tank with a huge HE round and, despite that hilarious idea that the armour is thinner than a Pz.IIs, all indications are that it's frontal armour was Tiger-grade.25pdr APCBC does everything better than the 75.
>>29311561> allied troops in North Africa called it "Zippo"Not exactly. It was named after a British lighter company(forget the name), but whether they were actually called that during the war is in question since the slogan used din't appear until after the war.
>>29313872Ronson
>>29313872There were many nicknames revolving around lighters, I just remember the slogan of some lighter company being "lights on the first strike, every time" , and the British used it ironically, since the M4, as sentinel excellently describes it, exploded if anything looked at it wrong.
>>29313555I'm quoting McNair and Marshall directly. dtic has a paper (THE EVOLUTION AND DEMISE OF U.S. TANK DESTROYER DOCTRINE IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR) you might want to read if you're incapable of understanding WW2 US army tank doctrines.>>29313639If you're going to ignore your own sources when they don't fit your agenda I really don't know why you're pretending this is a debate instead of a soapbox.
>>29314039Bullshit. The M4 was designed to be able to kill medium and light tanks quite successfully, and this was well before the Tiger was known about. It could soundly defeat P4s and down penetration wise, and the 76mm gun was in development and production well before it was seriously needed.Tank Destroyer doctrine was a whole other kettle of fish rather than 'lol TDs for TD, Tanks for Infantry Support'.http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref/FM/PDFs/FM17-10.PDFOfficial doctrine paper. Medium and Light tanks can furfill the anti-armour role.
>>29314039The problem is that the source is internally inconsistent - elsewhere on the page it states the AC 3 had the 65mm of armour which was *then* sloped at 24fH.Plus, i've been inside the AC 1s at Bovington and Puckapunyal and the AC 3 at The War Memorial (back when it was out on public display). I can absolutely guarantee you that the front armour is not 25mm thick. It is at least twice that thickness.
>>29314039M4's may not have been designed to engage tanks, but they still did a remarkable job at it when they were fighting things in their own weight class. The 75mm was more than capable of taking out Panzer III's and IV's, and the Jap tanks lit up as soon as anything bigger than a grenade hit them.
>>29314158Imperial Army tanks: when your "medium" can be killed by a .50cal machine gun, You're doing it wrong.
>>29314200Lets be fair; when your primary opponent fir nearly a decade is underequipped chinese hordes, a design from the '20s is perfectly adequate.
>>29314258Island hopping isn't something Heavy tanks were built for
>>29314258And they did route the Brits pretty badly with them at Singapore.>>29314282Maybe not, but that's what they were getting ready to bring T29/30/34's and Pershings over for.
>>29314200Their biggest threat was Chinese peasant rebellions, and they were always more focused on infantry power
>>29314258until the t-34 hordes come calling for your blood.>>29314328that and the Navy was getting more funding for new weapons.
>>29314325That's saying very little, that whole operation was a massively clusterfuck, with a good dash of bald-faced bluffing.>>29314325Weren't they for fighting Soviet heavies?
>>29314200Yeah, but how many Chinese peasants do you figure had anything in .50 BMG? Besides, they were a match for the Soviets at Khalkin Gol, and it's not as if you have to worry about a seabourne Russian invasion of the home islands.>>29314390"Heavies" by 1936 standards.
>>29314325The tanks played a peripheral tole in the defeat of Singapore compared to the incompetence of the British High Command.Also Matildas, which are for all intents and Purposes baby Heavies, were used to great effect in the islands and Jungles against the Japanese.
>>29314408The Japs also lost to the Russians so hard that they signed a non-aggression pact, as I recall.>>29314390Bluffing and a general who can't follow orders.
>>29314390Disregard the second bit of >>29314408, I thought you were referring to Jap tanks fighting Soviet heavies.
>>29314456Not really. The Japanese and the Soviets/Mongolians had been having spats with no real resolution from the end of Japanese intervention in the Russian Revolution onwards. Khalikin Gol didn't have particularly good record-keeping on either side, and the disparity in casualty estimates between the Japanese and Russian estimates, as well as some internal GRU reports indicate that the battle wasn't nearly as lopsided as Zhukov claimed. In actuality, it mostly just spurred the Japanese to develop more effective aircraft, and the Soviets to update their armored corps.
>>29314672Shame it took the Russians until after the Winter War to start to get their shit together. I mean, seriously, how do you lose that many men and that much material to a country who your army outnumbers?I'm getting way off topic though. Here's some sharpshooters.
>>29314815By using typical Russian tactics. Humiliating losses and phyrric victories by any other nation's standards were old hat to the Russians after the Russo-Japanese war and the clusterfuck that was the Eastern Front of WW1. The conflicts surrounding the Russian Revolution were just as catasrophic, with the Soviets losing wars of independence to Poland, all three Baltic states, Finland, and the Allied forces attempting to enforce some sense of order in the Ukraine and Russia proper.The early unified USSR was no better. Even though the Great Purge didn't actually kill off nearly as many officers as it's portrayed as, it set back Soviet doctrine by decades, which lead to utterly awful performance by the Red Army in the Winter War and during the Nazi drive to Moscow. Remember before this point,in spite of (or more likely due to) the 5-year plans, the USSR was either unable or (depending on who you ask) unwilling to feed its entire populace with domestically-grown food, let alone equip an army capable of holding from Poland to the Urals.
>>29314815By doing almost every possible thing wrong.Flat out, without Kharkin Gol and the Talvisota, the Russians would have lost. They won WW2 by NOT doing what they did in those wars. They's still be going after land battleships, commisars, and missupported combat arms if those two conflicts hadn't happened.
You sit up, stretching your arms out to yawn. "Eh, I need to hit the hay." You say, yawning again. "Going out to Oorai-proper in the morning to visit Mako's grandmother." You stand and trudge up to the room. "And try to keep the volume down tonight-" You comment as you get to the stairs. "All that high-pitched moaning kept me up the other night." You give your grandfather a wry grin.Your grandfather takes your spot on the couch. "If it's any consolation- most of it's too goddamned weird for my tastes..."You've underestimated how tired you really were- you're barely able to get your pants off and flop into bed before an immediately, deep sleep. When your eyes open again, sun has intruded on your room through a crack in the curtains and the smell of bacon wafts through the air.>Mmmmm, Bacon.>Get dressed and showered.>Other.
>>29315248>>Mmmmm, Bacon.
>>29315248>Get dressed and showered.
>>29315248>>Get dressed and showered.Also goddamnit Grandpa,s top watching porn all night.
>>29315248>>Mmmmm, Bacon.>Getting dressed and showered...showering while dressed, wut?
>>29315248>Mmmmm, Bacon.Food first, clean later.
>>29315802we can eat on the way.
>>29315855Yeah, we'll grab some toast on the way out and get knocked over by our crush/classmate.
>>29315869since when are Miho/Yukari hugs things to be avoided?
>>29315895never said they were, its a reference to Evangelion.
>>29315248>>Mmmmm, Bacon.gotta get that hog in mah belly.
>>29315961I was under the impression it happened in every slice of life anime.
>>29315961Sorry, never watched it, heard much about in.>>29315986its a recurring joke, a subtrope if you will.
>>29315895Since never
>>29315986>>29315998is right
>>29316001exactly.
The sweet allure of crackling, sizzling bacon seems to drag you from bed, carrying you out the door and down the stairs. As if in a dream, you enter the kitchen. "Bacon..." You utter with reverance. "Bacon..."And then you notice two things: Miho is sitting at the table with your grandfather and you're not wearing pants. You take a defeated breath. "Morning Miho." God dammit. If you'd been awake you would've seen this coming.Miho is an incandescent shade of crimson. "Uhm... Uh..." She stumbles for a second. "G-good morning, Russells."You look between Miho and your grandfather, who is expertly maintaining a carefully neutral face that hides exactly how hilarious he thinks this is. "I'm... I'm gonna go put on pants, I think." You say, nodding. "I think I need a shower at this point, too."Ten minutes later, showered and ready for the day you reappear in the kitchen, poker face strong. "Eggs and bacon!" You say, delighted. "Thank you!" You say as your grandfather hands you a plate, same neutral face."So, you, Miho and the bunch are heading to Oorai today?" He says as you tuck in. "Guess I'll come. Need to get off this boat and get solid ground under my feet.">"Miho, is it alright if my grandfather comes?">"You sure you want to hang out with a bunch of kids?">Other.
>>29316056>"You sure you want to hang out with a bunch of kids?"
>>29316056>>"Miho, is it alright if my grandfather comes?">>"You sure you want to hang out with a bunch of kids?"
>>29316056>"Miho, is it alright if my grandfather comes?">"You sure you want to hang out with a bunch of kids?also, that's what you get.
>>29316056> Other.Lemme guess. Last night's "entertainment" consisted of nurses?
>>29316056>>"Miho, is it alright if my grandfather comes?"
>>29316056>"Sure, if you can keep up, gramps.">And then gramps shows up in Chouno's Type 10
>>29316056>"You sure you want to hang out with a bunch of kids?">Other"Also, Think you can come down to the hangar after the battles to give advice to the teams? They'll listen to an old veteran tanker, hell you could be like Mr. Rodgers, except, y'know... Multi-ton war machines."
>>29316242I change my vote to this and >>29316197
I hope we actually make it to the hospital this thread
>>29316436we got another 30 mins
>>29316483Is Black Jack dead yet?
You look across the table at your grandfather. "You sure you want to spend the day with a bunch of kids?" You ask after you gulp down a mouthful of eggs. "We're all going to be loud, delinquent, listening to our Hip Hops and newfangled rock-and-roll music...""I'll have you know that I partied with the Grateful Dead back in the 70's..." Grandpa says, pointing a finger at you. "You kids ain't got a clue how to party anymore- we'd help them tear down at the end and then go get sto-ahem." He stops before outright stating any illegal behavior.You blink at him. "Grateful Who?""Bah! Kids these days..." He says. "I'm coming along! Miho already invited me." He says, leaning back victorious.You, Grandpa Russells, and Miho meet with the rest of the group heading for the mainland at the ferry terminal, down near the schoolship's waterline. Anglerfish team is represented, less Saori and Mako who'd went out yesterday. Though Richard and Patrick are there.The Trip from the schoolship to the town of Oorai takes nearly four hours- not a short trip by any stretch. During this time you nearly lose your lunch again before Miho, evidently adapting to your sea-sickness, passes you some salt pills, which makes the rest of the trip much easier on you.It's nearly one in the afternoon before you're at the hospital- the Anglerfish girls pool their money and get Mako's grandmother a nice bouquet of flowers. Your grandfather, though, looks a bit off.>"What's wrong, Old Man?">"Let's go see how she's doing.">Other.
>>29316694>>"What's wrong, Old Man?"
>>29316694>"What's wrong, Old Man?"ok, $10 bucks says he gets stuff thrown at him by grandma.
>>29316694>>"What's wrong, Old Man?"also>During this time you nearly lose your lunch again before Miho, evidently adapting to your sea-sickness, passes you some salt pills, which makes the rest of the trip much easier on you.Hnng.
>>29316694>"What's wrong, Old Man?""Don't tell me you have a phobia of women your own age."
>>29316694>"What's wrong, Old Man?"
"What's up you?" You ask Grampa Russells. "All jittery- too much caffiene on the boat?" You rib him with your elbow playfully, though it is out of sorts for him to be jittery like this."Nothing, kid." He says gruffly. "Mind your own."You shrug as you enter the elevator that'll take you up to Grandma Reizei's floor and, as soon as the doors open again, you can hear a commotion. "I'm fine! We're getting out of here!" An older woman shouts.As you walk closer, you can hear Mako's voice, quiet compared to the caterwalling grandmother: "You need to lay down. The doctor says you need rest."You and Miho are the first into the room and, confronted with newcomers, the ruckus immediately pauses. "Why I'll be..." Mako's grandmother practically whispers. "James? No... You're too young..."You blink, opening your mouth and looking at Miho, who shrugs, as surprised as you are. From behind you, you hear your grandfather enter the room. "It's been too long, Hisako." Your grandfather says quietly.Wait. What?
>>29317203oh snap
>>29317203NEXT TIME ON GIRLS UND PANZER QUEST
NEXT TIME ON GIRLS UND PANZER QUEST!>Something gets thrown.>Grandpa Russells has history.>If this were a TV show, there would be liberal use of sepia tones.Girls und Panzer Quest will return Tuesday, but with a late start. Going to be celebrating my Birthday on my only other day off, so I'll figure out when the next thread is after that later.Follow me on Twitter for schedule updates and to find out when the thread goes live!https://twitter.com/BlackJackGuPQ
>>29317233Happy early birthday, Jack-oalso flashback episode?
Now that blackjack is done, anyone posting writefaggotry? (pokes Red Vanya)
>>29317270I got ya
>>29317270If vanya's who I think he is, he's sleeping. I'll end my involvement in the thread with one of my favorite pieces of Assam art, because I have a major soft spot for her.
>>29317203Suddenly I think it's a good thing we didn't opt to go for the sleepy driver, because this would be REALLY awkward about now.
>>29317301you ever think about doing some writing about her?>>29317317Two generations of lovers, one torn apart by war, will their prodigy succeed? I know a few people who would go ga-ga over "how romantic" that setup is.
>>29317203And there I was just about to post about how Gramps would know about Japanese porn since all the M26es used in Korea were from there.
>>29317203BLACKJACK!!!
>>29317327Romantic...or potentially a bit weird if gramps and her decide to get back together since that'd make sleepyhead your...2nd cousin by marriage I think.The Sodoclone Collective does not approve.
>>29317301muh dick. Also yes, he is asleep>>29317296Previously: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/29216707/#p29228356You approach the group to talk to Rick, as you're walk over you notice the gaggle is staring at the two of you“I think they're intimidated” John whispers to you from the corner of his mouth“Where's the most confident one” you wonder trying to figure out who to mess with them "gotta put them in their place"You glance over each person making sure not to maintain eye contact until you spot the most dominant one“There” you think upon seeing a girl slightly taller than the rest talking to Rick, her head moving back and forth between you and RickAs your glance continues covering the rest of the group you watch through your peripheral waiting for the leader to look backSTRIKEYour eyes snap back up to meet her'sLOCKIt takes but a second for her to realise and another to look away. By that time you're upon the group and making your way through to speak with RickYou catch the tail end of the conversation between Rick and the girl “if you lose repeatedly, I'll put one of the Senior teams in for the next match, try though”“fine” she seems to accept the conditions and walks away, the group she appears to command disperses with her“What's up Rick?”“That was a bad thing you did back there”His face is a blank sheet, you don't know what he thought of it>[1/?]
>>29317357Doing a bit of mental calculation... are we sure it would be "by marriage"?
>>29317327I am many things, a good writer is not one of them.
>>29317357annoying friends chiming in, "true love conquers all!" yes, they are THOSE kind of people. no comment on my perspective.>>29317370quality writing skills never stopped anyone from posting stuff here before. Any decent writer can do something well-liked.
>>29317367I'm trying to be optimistic here...twice removed perhaps?
>>29317366“They're only fifteen” Rick continues “you're messing with their confidence doing that”You zone out to ponder on this and to try find a suitable answer “they started it... but I am older and supposed to be more mature... it's not like we didn't have to go through the same intimidation... why should they?.. point”You zone back in to find John and Rick talking “Adam told me about you when they dropped off the tee-thirty-two, said you were working at a Scaffolding Company”“Yeah, I was promoted to Assistant Manager recently” John replies with joy“You know, I don't know that much about you” John says, trying to keep the conversation going“Well, I'm retired now, I used to fly B-52s out of Barksdale up until 1994” his voice softens as he reminices “was given my Command after Vietnam war, but I got my shot in with the Gulf war, those were the days”You chime in “just like Major Kong”He wags a finger at you “easy boy”“What did you want to talk about?”Rick scrabbles through the papers clamped to his clipboard “lets see here...”“Already forgetting things it seems”“Just you wait sonny, no one escapes the ravages of time” he replies with a snicker“Here it is. Your first match is a two on one, you're the one” he continues reading off his clipboard “oh right, those girls you intimidated are one of your opponents”>[2/?]
>>29317388You clear your throat after hearing the last remarkJohn lightly elbows you “nice one”“Okay, when's our first match?”“It's nearly eight now, you'll be up in an hour once the first match is over”“Who are we going up against...I mean like what tanks are we facing?”“A Lee and an em-four-ay-one, those girls from before will be in the Sherman. They're the best of the Junior teams, the Lee is the second best so there should be a challenge”“Maybe” you say pondering on how good they are compared to the teams you faced before retirement“They did give St Vincent's a run for their money”You recollect Rick telling you about the other School the first day you met “the Private School”“Yeah that's the one, had a six-on-six a few weeks ago” he says with a hint of pride “didn't do too shabby for a Public School and a Club”“Was it elimination?” John inquires“No, it was...uh, that one where you have to destroy the flag tank” he continues trying to remember the details “the Pro teams seem to like that match style, I cant stand it, every match seems to end with one team throwing everything they have at the flag”>[3/?]
>>29317399“How close was the match?” you ask trying to get a feel for their skill“The other team had three tanks left, it doesn't sound that good but St Vincent's was using Jumbo Shermans and one of those German Tank Destroyers”“That's pretty good” you say aloud, internally you're thinking about how effective their teamwork is considering they took out 3 tanks they had no chance of penetrating from the front unless they were shooting HVAP“Were they using H-VAP?” you ask“We can't afford it, but I'm pretty sure St Vincent's always shoots H-VAP no matter there opponent”“Those kinds of people”“Yeah, but it's legal, and they're our only competition in the area so we can't really pass it up” Rick finishes up “I gotta go talk to the rest of the crews, be back here in an hour for a final brief, and don't go messing with the other crews”Rick departs with a wave and you turn to John, “I'm going to check on Hamish, make sure the tank is okay, you go do something... I dunno”“I think I'll hang around out here”“Mmkay” you say to John You depart as Rick did, with a wave>[4/?]
>>29317418You enter the hanger to find most of the crowd has dispersed, you see Hamish working on the visible side of the tank and the telltale of Rob's head working on the otherside“What's up guys?”“Finishing up the extenders” Hamish replies “Bert, he's the one that was giving the History lesson, I think he's doing something with the Radio”You reply to Hamish while climbing onto the trackguard “yeah I know who he is”“That's pretty simple” you pause while climbing up upon hearing a female voice“Now who could that be” you wonderYour ascent continues until you're leaning over the Commander's Cupola. There's a girl sitting in the Commander's seat, your seat, talking to what looks like BertYou lower yourself until your're lying on the turret with your head nearly inside the Cupola“Watcha doin?'”She looks up at you, it's that girl you were talking to beforeShe doesn't waste a moment in her reply “Oh, Berts just showing me the tee-thirty-two's Radio”“I could never figure out how to use that thing, although I never tried because we didn't need it”“Who's we?” her face contorts trying to make sense >[5/5]
>>29317327Progeny, not prodigy.
