Times your group has had to quit for the evening because of something someone did.>Elder evils campaign>Have a bard on the party, as well as a Paladin, original plan was to run through the stuff for The hulks of Zoretha>BBEG is someone you meet fairly early on, powerful elven Loremaster who decides to destroy the world due to depressing>No one knows what's going on or what the overarching plot is; but here's exactly what the bard sees: Cute, depressed, shy elf girl.>Naturally he goes after her, GM doesn't have a clue what to do but decides to let it roll since hey, he can't stop her right and it'll make her betrayal all the more bitter>GM decides to foreshadow with her reasons, wanting people to notice her, ect, hates herself, all that sort of shit>Her and bard debate it on the prow of the ship one night.>Bard thinks its a hint to make his move, gives this fantastic OOC speech about how it doesn't matter if everyone knows who you are as long as you know who you are; how she's beautiful, charming, all that jazz, basically gives the most ridiculously charming speech ever.>GM doesn't know what to do, so he tells bard to roll>natural 20, with all his bonuses from the past, talking to her and so on (GM generally uses a relationship system; he put ridiculous minuses on charming the BBEG due to her hating herself, but the bard outdid them.)>GM stares at bard, stares at dice, before replying deadpan 'Well, you've got her in bed. I guess you're going to make it a one night thing ri-', trying to salvage her hates herself and everything motivation>"Nope, totally serious about her, she's cute, about the right level for a cohort and why not.">GM then picks up about 10 pages of notes and very slowly tears them in two before the entire party, before explaining in utter deadpan what the plot was>No one can keep a straight face.It gets even better though.
>DM not making some other shy and self-deprecating NPC an admirer of the elf girl the new BBEG
>GM doesn't have a clue what to do but decides to let it roll since hey, he can't stop her right >GM then picks up about 10 pages of notes and very slowly tears them in two before the entire party, before explaining in utter deadpan what the plot wasOh man. What an idiot GM. Doesn't he know how to A: improvise and B: not allow any PC to interact with someone integral to the plot?It's like he's never seen player characters before!
>>28617703>not taking the notes and swapping plot focus on the girl's identical twin-sister that got separated from her at birth>not using it for mistaken indentity shenanigans>not having the evil(er) twin trying to steal it all from her sister>NTR optionalDoes your DM even plot?
>>28617750> not letting the PC and NPC having a happy life together for a few months> not then engineering a situation where the bard dies/leaves her, leading her to fall to despair/wrath and becoming a more bitter BBEG than ever before not that she has known happiness and lost itGM, are you even trying?
>>28617703>>28617762>Not simply having the bard horribly killed off or otherwise separated from the elven loremaster, leaving even more traumatized from the betrayal of being left behind and corrupted by the forces of evil driving her like a puppet to DESTROY THE UNIVERSEIt's like you don't even know how to twist the knife into your players.
>>28617703>Game ends for the night>Next session>GM lets us vote on it, decide to rebase campaign around Ragnorra, the Mother of Monsters, because bard has turned the last BBEG into his Waifu.>Quick summary of Regnorra: Positive energy gone bad, uber cancer everywhere.>Things get real fairly fast, only one not suffering is Paladin, since he's immune to diseases.>Bard and Paladin bro up, Paladin is kinda dweeby and charming, but fails with girls, player is a ridiculously British guy>Game goes through the levels, shit gets real, world covered in not-zerg-creeper and shit.>Hit 20 sooner than expected.>Go to face down with Regnorra in her crater, pretty weird shit, general themes of horrific motherhood and creation with evil maternity.>Get our ass kicked on the way in, bard suggests cunning plan due to the only thing in the world not horrifically mutated being the Paladin, the two talk quietly on the side while the rest of us plan our very likely deaths>Head on in. Paladin calls up to huge bio-SHODAN face that we're not here to fight>Bard starts playing>Paladin rolls diplomacy to try and get Regnorra to listen to him>Fails.>AP to reroll>Passes this time>Does some Hugh Grant stuttering before basically launching into this huge 'why fight when we can love' speech>GM's face when the bard is using whispering wind to feed him lines>Long and short of it?>Paladin seduces Regnorra; things get weird, evil-cancer defeated by freaky, freaky sex.>Also turns out Paladin was based on Hugh Grant.That bard was the best character.
>>28617770>>28617777>hurr durr instead of altering the plot let's railroad and punish a player for putting a large amount of effort into interacting with and charming an NPC, as well as rolling really wellSometimes I forget that /tg/ is primarily composed of awful players and GMs.
>>28617770>>28617777Not only having the player's character die, but having their death lead to a now-liked NPC becoming BBEG of the campaignIt's like the pathos writes itself. OP'S GM should feel bad about missing all these opportunities.
>>28617770>>28617777murderbardmind.jpgHow many of you DMs have backup BBEGs that are ready to step in and fuck things up in case the current BBEG gets taken down too early?
>>28617823Fucking beautiful, OP
>>28617823>Seducing an Elder Evil
>>28617855My campaign had at least four potential BBEGs, so I could have shifted the focus if I needed to based on the players' choices. Basically, I went at it by trying to build a world with political players, factions, kingdoms, etc., and I tried to plot out as best I could what all those cats would be doing at any given time if the players never left home, never tried to save the day, etc.Try to build a world that runs, and THEN let your dudes start running around in the world. If you do that, you'll have backup villains somewhere, I guarantee it.Each player had at least one major potential Big Bad connected to their character's past, too, which was neat.
>>28617703>>28617823Good story, OP. Good story.
>>28617825Really, there's mostly two ways to reuse the ripped up work - either another person takes on the reins of the universe destruction, or miss genocide-cutter goes and gets their relationship fucked up. Both have been suggested. What would you have suggested, apart from the common-sense plan of "not making plans that can be so easily ruined"?
>>28617770Or, for that matter, just letting the NPC's neuroses ruin the relationship.Just because the bard got a damn good roll doesn't mean the world suddenly runs on romcom magic. It takes more than a committed relationship and a few good dickings to straighten out a deep-rooted self-loathing complex.Let them have their rosy romcom life for awhile. Then after the initial rush of a new relationship wears off, the chick starts to have those same old insecurities coming back. She starts to question why this charming, attractive, talented fellow is so enamored of her when she's so sure she's worthless trash. She starts to feel unworthy of him. Maybe she starts to think he's really just toying with her.If you want to get really ham-handed, maybe she gets jealous of the attention her boyfriend gets from the tavern wenches (even if he never reciprocates it to them), determining that if a pathetic wretch like herself is ever going to be able to keep this relationship, she'll need to go to drastic measures to eliminate the competition. All the competition...One way or another, it's all going to end in tears.
>>28617825>>28617836>>28617855I think the GM was tempted, but we would've rioted at the railroading and he isn't the type to pull stuff out his ass like that.The Paladin thing though was amazing, you haven't lived until you've heard a Hugh Grant-a-like stammering out "I'm just a Paladin, standing in front of a giant living mass of positive energy, asking it to not destroy the world...and to love him."Pretty much everyone in the party threw in all their remaining action points on that roll; I think the total result was about 130-something, by the time we calculated all the modifiers. It was total bullshit.But it was the funniest kind of bullshit.
>>28617858>Never having seduced at least one Elder EvilYou've really never done it?
>>28617953Well, I haven't actually played in an EE campaign in the first place.Though I am running one right now. Kind of. It's more like I just loosely adapted some of the mechanics and such from the EEs to use for my BBEG. He's really more of an Elder Chaos than an Elder Evil.
>>28617896I'd suggest not fucking over a player, especially not to the point of railroading them to death because "wah, they ruined muh plot".But I actually allow my players their victories, if they earn them. A natural 20 and a bunch of effort to ensure a relationship certainly counts as earning it.
>>28617905Did the GM enjoy it as well? Because if he did, then that makes it even more amazing.
>>28617990The main thing is that winning the battle doesn't need to mean winning the war. Allow them the relationship, sure -- but getting the girl doesn't necessarily solve all problems outside of a romance comedy, and if you're running an Elder Evils campaign I'd imagine romcom is not the tone you're aiming for.
>>28617703>Vampire: Dark Age>rolling Road of Heaven Malkavian with Voice of St. Whatshisname for Spirit Mentor>the rest of coterie consists of Trolleador, Lasombra nobleman and Brujah loli>couple sessions in>sent on mission to negotiate / enforce return of couple fledgelings wooed away by evil(er than usual) Elder>Lasombra and Toreador negotiate with the Elder while loli lures away the fledgelings>I'm with the negotiating party in Obfuscate in case things go tits up>negotiations go rather well (or so it seems)>during the conversation it's hinted that she's in pact with "something giving her power">realise she's in pact with Devil or Demon>ST says that Voice confirms she is sinner of most condemnable sort>"Alright in that case I bloodbuff Str and Dex to the maximum then jump out of Obfuscate and straight up murder her.">ST starts to backpedal telling me that I don't know how powerful she is or what exactly she's pacted with and that the negotiations are going well, so there is no need to attempt killing her>"Have the Voice ever steered me wrong? She stand againts our good Lord and pacts herself with Antichrist I can't just ignore that."In the end both her persona and her elaborate plot of revenge upon us lasted exactly two rounds of combat.
>>28617858>Seducing TWO elder evils in one campaign.
>>28617858>>28618049I mean, I'm just saying, you've gotta give 'em credit for it. It's hardly as thought the DM made it easy.
>>28618049Well, to be fair, the first one wasn't an Elder Evil, just the mortal who was going to unleash it had she not been derailed into bard sexytimes.
>>28617703I have the book with the eldar evils in it. Does your fm know that she is depressed due to the gods killing her lover? She went insane, she was aldo supposed to be someone who has to leave from time to time for the plot. If he just looked in the damn shit he is using, it is impossible to reason with her as you went along.
>>28617988There was an Elder Chaos at the end of my last 3.5 campaign. The warmage became a conduit for its energies and used it to resurrect the paladin (my character) and the necromancer, who had died fighting one another after being driven mad by the eldritch energies.
Is your DM an ERP guy or what? What kind of campaign gets settled with feelings and sex, twice? Where are the heroism, the intrigue, the plots, the dangers?
>>28618177The only heroism is in my spell list.The only intrigue is in just how big it really is.The only plot is dat elf ass.And the only danger is charming myself.
>>28618109I thought that might be her, but then I thought maybe it was the other elven wall flower in this story (EE had like three BBEGs that were described as plain and bitter elves). In other news, depending on the level, all the elfs allies should still be in the world ending business.
>>28618177Oh no, not FEELINGS.The first one doesn't have anything ERP-y to it until the bard decided chatting up the elf. And from the way he told it, the second one was only related to sex in the same way Alien was, i.e. mostly as a horror element. It's really more on the players rather than the DM.
>>28617823So basically Saya no Uta?
>>28618305>The first one doesn't have anything ERP-y to it until the bard decided chatting up the el>The first one doesn't have anything ERP-y until it turns to ERP>the second one was only related to sex in the same way Alien was, i.e. mostly as a horror elementAlien is subtler, way subtler. PENIS-SHAPED ALIENS THAT ARE BORN FROM A RAPE-TADPOLE THAT'S BOTH A PENIS AND A VAGINA ARE SUBTLER THAN THIS. Let that sink in.>>28618305>It's really more on the players rather than the DM.They players are not blameless, but the DM's in control. This is just an outsider's perspective, though, in reality it didn't have to be as cringe-worthy as it sounds.
>OP's picYou know show's good when you like Big Bad way more than the entire MC cast, sans that one guy who betrayed everyone who is also kinda cool
>>28618451>Not licking jackWhy didnt he become the metal dragon
>>28618484That was secondary Big Bad, right? He's cool, which goes to prove my point even further
Well, I like it.Awesome story OP....No, I am not going to do something like that.
>>28618510No man,Jack Spicer
>>28618553That's what I fucking meant, you dork
>>28618556But he wasnt the second big badHes the main first guy who got the lady free
>>28618575But the lady (god I'm horrible with names) is the biggest bad, making him secondary. I mean, Jack only manages to stay relevant thanks to her magic radar stuff
>>28617703>Times your group has had to quit for the evening because of something someone did.This one time the host, also GM, slipped on wet bathroom tiles and broke his wrist. We all went to the hospital with him but the session was over.
>Find pathfinder group online>First two sessions go pretty well. Some internet issues with a few players that take a while to fix, but eventually, everything's great>Third session cancelled, DM's car tires slashed>Fifth session, his mother dies, game postponed for 2 weeks>7th session his roof collapses on him, he's in the hospitalWe just called it at that point. Guy had the worst luck in the world. And according to a mutual friend, this shit happens every time he DMs.
>>28618681yeah, like he's a compulsive liar or something
>>28618700No, the guy just had the worst luck in life. Shame too, great guy.
>>28618625>Wuya>Biggest Bad>Not Chase Young/Hannibal Roy Bean
>>28617825Or you do this.>PC charms NPC>NPC and PC begin to have feelings for each otherthen, either>Let the chips fall where they may and maintain the notes>Hope your player isn't a complete sperg and is willing to embrace a strong plot at some point or presents the option themselvesThis is a great slow burn setup that could or could not pay off. Worth keeping there and playing out even if it takes a couple months. We did it, but story times in someone else's thread are being tha/tg/uy.
>>28617703>>28617823Anything interesting happen with the BBEG-turned-cohort afterward?
>>28617703>GM then picks up about 10 pages of notes and very slowly tears them in two before the entire party, before explaining in utter deadpan what the plot wasAnd so, another GM learns the hard way to never, ever, ever, EVER plot a game extensively
>>28617855Goddamn it, Wild Dog. Stay dead, why don't you?
>>28618878>2013>Not being able to roll with the punches delivered by the party and salvage notesThis is why we have so many bad DMs. Unless your entire group is LOLSORANDUMXDDD there's plenty of ways to use your notes. Of course 10 pages of notes at this stage seems a bit extensive, and the throwing around of AP to produce 100+ results is a bit worrisome.
What the GM could have done:>loremaster finds out about the bard helping the paladin>gets jealous, thinks the bard must have feelings for Ragnorra>becomes BBEG after allBut really, what did the DM expect with female BBEGs twice in a row?
>>28617703>not expecting the bard to give the elf waifu the dickJesus, Rookie mistake
>>28617703he should've made the BBEG a lesbian, bard dickings won't work problem solved.
>>28619287>Implying the bard wouldn't go as far to swap genders to get some of that sweet elf loving
>>28619302genderswap leads to shenanigans and momentarily turning back.BBEG now really snaps and has personal hatred towards party.
>>28619126Well, it seemed like that was the Ultimate Showdown of the campaign, which would give the players no reason not to blast all their AP's into the speech.
>>28620022>Ultimate Showdown>Ten Pages of NotesSure thing bud.
>>28620036Ah, wait - I thought we were referring to the second campaign, and he was saying that the players used their AP's to boost the paladin's speech to seduce the mother-abomination-thing.
>>28617703Doesn't sound like a very fun game if the GM have 10 pages of railroading prepared to be honest. But that's just my tastes
>>28620175Even very brief campaign notes can take a dozen pages or more. GM'ing is a prep-heavy undertaking for a lot of us - winging it is its own beast and not always appropriate, plus even then you can end up with reams of quick notes.It's a lot of work and a huge time commitment. That he tore up his notes was a tad dramatic (but good if they were just printouts) but shows that he obviously was not railroading them.
>>28617737no get out
>>28617825But anon, happiness is unrealistic and we need only gritty realism in our games of pretend!
>>28620175Son, I did full sandbox in my last campaign (3.5 dnd.) I had dozens of pages of notes and maps and shit, buddy, not to mention all the stat/feat/build write-ups for anybody above level one that the players had even a remote chance of fighting.