Hey, since you guys are Nasuverse/History experts, I was wondering if you guys could help me figure out some possible servants.

If AC-Guy doesn't mind.

For reasons that as [SPOILERS], since I know some people involved browse this board, the servants need to have some form of religious connection.

It doesn't have to be christian per say, just.... Like Herc wouldn't count just because he's part god, but someone like Extra's Caster who actually had a more 'divine' presence would. I guess it's a connection to 'faith' somehow being important to the person or the legend.

Normally, I wouldn't have to ask for help but most of the obvious ones (Joan of Arc, Saint George, etc) are taken or locked somehow. You don't have to stat them out, I really just need a list of names.

Rolled 7

>>28590293

Whos fading out?

Rin or Ilya?

>>28590420

>Nah, I don't mind. I won't be contributing because I'm bus running, but this info might end up being useful to me.

>That said 'Nasuverse Experts' got me laughing my ass off. I'm only like 90-95% certain I've got this shit down, and some of the players/readers have flat admitted they know nothing.

>>28590472

>Rin. More obvious from the context of the last thread, but she's super exhausted and out of it at the moment.

>>28590484

>bus running

Oh god, AC-Guy has angered the public transit system!

>>28590293
Check up on Sakura. Would be better if it was done privately, but Rider will most likely be with her.
We need to permanently nip the problem concerning Zouken.

Threadly reminder that the updated Ebook can be found at http://pastebin.com/kbGzcbDb

>>28590293
Well last thread a few people wanted to talk to Sakura about Zouken and why he's still after her, as well as talking to Rider about anything she might have learned about Assassin.
So, [/spoiler>[X]Talk to Sakura and Rider.

Rolled 5

>>28590484

Right.

Shes falling asleep in the living room though.

Princess carry her back to her room and tuck her in.

>>28590661
How the hell did I fuck that up?

>>28590293
>Sweet, F/SA is up
>read OP, realize I missed a thread
>God damn it

>>28590686
do it. then go find sakura and do >>28590636

>>28590420
There's all the saints, I'm sure at least one of them has dome something cool. Even patrick and the snakes thing might be Casterish.

>>28590739
>>28590686
I support these

>>28590293
[X]Talk to Sakura and Rider about Zouken

Rin protests slightly as I help her back to her room, but doesn't actually resist much to the idea of being placed back in a proper bed to rest on.

Saber opts to stay with her, and Ilya follows to monitor in case there's any sort of complications. I return to Sakura, and she's giving me a look as I approach.

".... You want to talk." She says, Rider watching the scene only a few steps removed. Not a question, but I nod anyway. ".... About Zouken?" She asks, sounding almost afraid. I nod again, slowly. "..... What happened at the theater....."

"Zouken wants an ally. Or at least an enemy with an alternate agenda to yours." Rider states, and Sakura jumps slightly. "Apparently he's decided Sakura is the most likely target for such a ploy to work against. Possibly due to their history."

Sakura looks almost betrayed as she looks back to me from Rider. ".... Nobody has any idea what the red Archer's doing or what his goals even are, other than the fact that he's shown no interest in the grail itself. Avenger is planning something that apparently isn't good for him somehow, and the entire rest of the known parties are all allied with you." She explains.

"He wants to destroy either me or my power-block I've assembled, because I'm the most direct threat."

"I believe technically you're the only one with a stated desire to see him dead." Rider comments. "Everyone else is content to either work around him or fight him for the grail. For you it's more.... personal."

"Yeah." I say, looking at Sakura, and she almost can't meet my eyes.

"I didn't...." She pauses to take a deep breath before continuing. "I didn't realize what he was doing before. I knew he wasn't a friend, but against a mutual enemy like that Archer..... but he knew you apparently had plans there, and that we couldn't win. He'd either get Archer killed, or he would get me and Rider killed while drawing you away from whatever he's doing."

".... So the theater?" I hesitate, thinking my words over.

>>28591090

[ ] "Was he trying a different approach?"
[ ] "Does he have something over you?"
[ ] "Was that something more.... direct?"

>>28591114
[X] "Does he have something over you?"
>Engage Power bluntness

>>28591114
>[ ] "Does he have something over you?"

>>28591114
> [ ] "Does he have something over you?"
No more pussyfooting around it, I guess.

>>28591184
"Does he have something over you, and if so will you let us help you?"

>>28591114

>[ ] "Does he have something over you?"

Shirou knows on a level. He just doesnt want to think about it.

>>28591114
>[X] "Does he have something over you?"
>[X] "How can I help?"
We need to get this into the open so we can deal with it, but we also have to make sure she knows that we're going to help her, with or without her consent.

"Does he have something over you?" I finally ask. It feels like I just ripped out a part of my jaw just saying it.

"Sempai?" Sakura gasps slightly, flinching away.

"No, It's not like that." I tell her, catching her wrist before she can run away. "I know you wouldn't want to hurt me or anyone else here. I trust you, but Zouken thinks-"

The slap catches me completely off guard. I let go, and watch as Sakura exits the room, staring mortified at her hand like she can't believe it hit me.

Rider's standing in front of me. After a moment, I realize she's blocking me from chasing. "Shirou. Deep breath."

"Rider-"

"Deep. Breath." After a moment, I close my eyes and try and calm myself as Rider continues. "I know that hurt, and we both know that hurt her, but it NEEDED to happen."

"Not like that."

"And how the hell was that going to end up any better?" She asks, suddenly angry. I look at her, and shes standing arms crossed staring at me angrily. I'm not sure how much of it's at me or at the situation. "It was going to explode. After all that's happened to her, before and after I came here, it was always going to be messy and painful when it started coming out. Maybe it COULD have been better..... but it could've been so much worse."

"How?" I return, more out of desperation for something to say.

"We let it fester until it comes out violently." rider answers, suddenly entirely too calm. "She kills Rin, or orders me to kill her. Or myself. Or herself. Or you, if Zouken managed to twist her into believing you were somehow the biggest problem in her life."

I can't bring myself to say anything, silently imagining the possibilities in horrified wonder. Finally, I start to vocalize... something. "So... now what?"

"I think I should go talk to her, and give her some space to come to terms with telling you exactly what the problem is."

[ ] .... That sounds right.
[ ] .... I think I should talk to her.
[ ] .... I think I might already know.

>>28591472
>[X] .... That sounds right. Sorry that I cause so much trouble for you two.

>Go to Issei's
>Time for a strategy meeting with GArcher.
Let's neutralize Zouken. Also, let's ask him how he helped Sakura.

>>28591472
>[ ] .... I think I might already know.

>>28591472

[X] .... I think I might already know and there is a very good chance that before today is over someone is going to need to stop me from doing something incredibly dumb and dangerous"

>>28590811

>At least one of them.

There's a few.

There's also a LOT of goddamn saints.

>>28591472
>>28591090

Oh god, that's some mood whiplash.

Congrats AC-Guy, you hit my emotions hard enough that I honestly feel a little sick.

>>28591640
>to stop me from doing something incredibly dumb and dangerous"
Since when has this ultra-passive playstyle gotten us anywhere? Ever since Red Archer betrayed everyone, we've just been reacting to Avenger and Zouken's plans. Fuck that noise. Let's bring the pain to them. Let's channel all of Shirou's confusion, fear, and desire to help into shoving swords up someones ass until they look like us.

>>28591640
>>28591539
These two, though we should call issei first

>>28591695
well there's going to gank Zouken with a plan and going into a trap blinldly. He probably expected something like this and has a contingency.

>>28591723
>implying you can plan around Broken Hrunting's falling like raindrops

>>28591472
>[ ] .... That sounds right.
Ask Rider not to let Sakura beat over herself for the slap she gave to Shirou, if she's gonna do all the talking for now. Our presence may exacerbate her already fragile emotion.

Hmm. I guess co-scouting is out of the question then? We still need to do it though.

>>28591695
Part of the reason we've only been reacting is because we don't want any Servants to go to the grail and help wake up the Angry Manjew that's still inside it, as well as not wanting to kill off Illya by turning her into the grail.

Last time we spoke to Merlin he said he was going to see if he could find a way to help Illya out, and throwing Servants into Illya might complicate that.

>>28591818
We know that Merlin is looking into maybe being able to help Ilya. Who knows what he'll actually be able to do or when. In the meantime, we have Avenger doing Root knows what, and a Zouken willing to knock of Kirei to advance his plans. We have an (effectively) immortal worm vampire being so certain of his odds of victory that he's willing to risk bringing the church down upon his head. We need to disrupt their plans in an active way, if only to buy ourselves some breathing room.

Sure, sticking an Assassin in Ilya (if she's even the Grail) might complicate helping her. Zouken capturing her will render all of this mute.

>>28591746
>Implying Archer didn't do that already
Zouken's still around

>Sorry, computer restarted while I was dealing with a Pizza related issue.

>Which ones winning?

>>28590420
>He thinks we know anything at all.

That said, check out the Bible, famous crusaders and their opponents, and other important religious figures.

If you really want to be unfair, go with Saver.

>>28592091

[x] Thats sounds right plus a helping of I think I already know

>>28592083
It's not like we'll run out of Hrunting's. Hell, maybe Rin will notice us needing more prana and will decide to end the romance stalemate for us.

>>28592091

>>28592140
I was referring to when archer blew up zouken's house.

>>28592091
We also have two votes for contact the shit out of Issei. We need to talk to GArcher.

>>28592117

>So it is a tie then? Joy.

>>28592160

>I'll be sure to add that in somewhere.

>>28592147
If you eradicate a cockroaches hiding spot, do you leave other such spots alone?

>>28592176

Then just go with >That might be best

>>28592176
>So it is a tie then? Joy.
I think it was more weighted towards "sounds right," but with a fair number wanting to let Rider know that we have some ideas of what must have happened.

>>28592176
I'll put a vote to help out then
>[ ] .... That sounds right.

>>28592176

>I think I know.

Guys, I know easing off might be tempting, but if Sakura knows we already know and DON'T CARE then we'll be sooooo much better off.

>>28592287
I think it's less about whether WE care, but rather that SHE cares.

>>28592326

A good part of her hiding it is her not wanting us to know.

Letting her know it's not a problem for us might not be a be-all end-all, but it's gonna help a lot more than letting it hang.

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Yays and here I thought quest time would be off for the weekend

>>28592287
>>28592356

I'm gonna support this too. Unless that takes us back to a tie?

Shit, are we?

>Still a tie.

Wanna flip a coin and get this over with?

... I don't get it
I mean Sakura's outburst and how it could be worse
Guess I'm not good at reading between the lines

>>28592710

Well, she could've kept hiding it, let the pressure mount and gone full fucking coo-coo for coco puffs like she did in Heaven's Feel.

Crazy Sakura trying to kill the entire planet isn't exactly an unprecedented event.

>>28592694

God no. I'm just gonna go for >I know and hope AC-Guy isn't already writing or something.

>>28592710
I'll admit, that scene was a bit awkward. I think the idea is that we totally know she's getting worm and penis raped routinely, and we just out and asked her about it. I thought we were going to be inquiring about whether he had some sort of blackmail material, but it apparently was handled like use accusing her of colluding with Zouken.

>>28592710
How it could have been worse? Heaven's Feel.
Much worse? Heaven's Feel Kirei ending

>>28592710
>>28592776
He's either tuning us out to write both as the next part, or starting over ever two sentences because we keep breaking and remaking the tie vote. Hopefully the former.

>>28592776
Dark Sakura needs a very specific set of circumstances to go active, and we, as far as we know, haven't triggered those. Who knows what'll happen once Servants souls start flying around though. Zouken didn't have access to Grail parts to make Sakura a makeshift cup, but he may have found an alternative.

>>28592791
She wouldn't kill Shirou even if she turns Dark
>>28592776
>>28592790
>>28592808
So she's angry because... Shit, I don't know! I've no idea how "What does he have over you?" could make her angry

>>28592848
It implies we think him having something over her could make her turn on us.

>>28592862
Well Zouken certainly seems to think thats the case.

>>28592862
I don't really see that as a natural reaction given our relationship. Hell, given that we caught her sneaking out to do Zouken's bidding a night ago asking her what's up is a pretty natural course of action.

>>28592862
It does? But that's not the point of that! It's not like we asked that to doubt her, we asked that to know what's the issue so we could resolve it
God damn, Sakura, why are you so hard

>>28592862
>>28592848

Or at the very least, that there's something she's hiding significant enough that Zouken THINKS it would work.

Most of why she's panicking is because she probably has no idea how we might react to all of this, especially since we're known to not take kindly to other people endangering OUR people.

>>28592862
>>28592848
Reading it again, it sounds like she thought Shirou was accusing her, like he didn't trust her. "WHAT DOES HE HAVE ON YOU"

Then she runs off to QQ.

Then Rider explains that there was so much pent up emotion with her that it was going to blow up eventually. It was just a matter of how; it could have been with her snapping and killing Rin, etc. But it was just from this so it was relatively benign.

>>28592910
>But it was just from this so it was relatively benign.
>implying she isn't going to full Dark Sakura and eat Rider
>implying she isn't then going to eat Assassin and Gilgamesh, causing Zouken and Avenger to lose their shit
>implying this isn't going to turn into a bigger ball of fuck than Grail War in Reflection

>>28592952
I wish she'd eat herself in that case and Ouroboros herself

>>28592985
>I wish she'd eat Avenger
Fix'd so that if actually made sense

"I think I might already know what it is." I say slowly, thinking back. "I think I kinda always knew. Or at least known for a while." Rider doesn't react visibly, but I can feel she's waiting for me to continue. "Lots of little things, like how she reacted with Rin's failed tracking spell, or that dream thing..... or Rin and I followed you when you were going after Archer-"

"You overheard something?"

"Not everything, but when taken with everything else....." I shrug slowly, looking at Rider.

After a long tense moment, she relents slightly. "Crest worms..... are hard on the body. They'll kill any non-magus they might be implanted in in weeks to days, and even full magi can have issues coping. Sakura more so since she wasn't of the bloodline."

".... So what does that mean?"

"It means that for a while, Zouken wasn't sure she was going to make it, and took measures to ensure the bloodline would continue, even if she died. Even if she died young." My stomach drops. "Especially since with today's medical science, using magecraft to ensure a surrogate mother would remain healthy and pass on the correct traits would be relatively simple."

"..... So she's...?"

"I don't know the exact details either." Rider tells me. "But since you already knew....." She hesitates. "Don't tell Sakura I told you anything. I'm going to tell her you figured it out on your own, so-"

>>28592952
I don't know, it might be hard to top 5 semi-functioning psuedo-grails mashed together, with oddball classes thrown in the mix and no noticeable presence from the church to reel it in if things go wrong or if we start the witchpocalypse.

...Actually, now that I think about it, all we're missing here are four more grails.

>>28593162

"It's fine. I can keep a secret."

"When you say it like that-" She hesitates, almost freezing.

"You're doing it for her. The right choice doesn't always feel right."

She nods, and turns away back into the house. I sit down for a long moment and think about the entire situation.

Rin was sick, and might be permanently scared from it. Ilya says it's fine, but-

I'm going to kill Zouken.

Sakura just had what's probably her deepest and most secret emotional wound ripped open by someone she loves and trusts unconditionally.

I'm going to KILL Zouken.

Campsite in the mountains, body-puppeting super-assassin, Saber's regrets, Rin's pain, Sakura's fear, Rider's Confusion, Vampires and missing women.....

A small hand on my back snaps me out of my trance. "Onii-chan?"

[ ] "How's Rin?"
[ ] "What's up?"
[ ] "I'm going to kill Zouken."

>>28593169
Well, at least we haven't turned ourselves into Zouken 2.0

>>28593184
>[X] "I'm going to kill Zouken."
Yes. Yes! YES!

>>28593184
[X] "I'm going to kill Zouken."awkward silence ".......I mean Hi"

>>28593184
>[ ] "I'm going to kill Zouken."

"What?"

"Er, sorry. Train of thought"

>[ ] "What's up?"

>>28593184
[X] "I'm going to kill Zouken."
[X] Awkward silence
[X] "...hi."

>>28593192
>Zouken 2.0
I actually forgot we started bodysnatching too.
Considering our Servant is so empathetic and morally just, I'm still surprised things haven't gotten worse than they already are.
>>28593184
>[X] "I'm going to kill Zouken."
>[X] ...
>[X] "Sorry, what?"

>>28593208
>>28593222
mah hivemind

>>28593269
What Servant? Rider is attached to Sakura and Saber with Rin.

>>28593208
>>28593216
>>28593222
>>28593269
>>28593276
Much Hive many mind such union

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>>28593294
Sorry, I was being sarcastic and talking about another quest, where we summon everybody's favorite cat.

>>28593333
wat

I just...

wat

>>28593294
He's talking about A Grail War in Reflection, where we summoned Kyuubey and had him teach us how to steal other people's bodies. Then the OP killed us, so we had to resort to exclusively using stolen bodies.

>>28593216

"I'm going to kill Zouken."

There's a pause, and then- "Alright, how?"

I think that startles me more than anything else. "What?"

"I mean how are you planning to do it? Walking in there hot-blooded isn't going to end well, you're going to need at least one active combat support since you have a Servant and an old intelligent Mage both to deal with. A Servant who's more powerful and active than any assassin should be, and a Mage who has to our knowledge survived point blank annihilation twice, so the usual methods won't work."

"You've been thinking about this?"

"Technically I've been thinking of the best ways to eliminate literally everyone." She says. "Though I've stopped worrying about how I would deal with you. Or any of of the girls here." She gives me a concerned look. "So you need to kill something that can't die, that's protected by a seemingly unstoppable assassin. The 'why' doesn't matter anymore. He needs to die, so we need to focus on the 'how'. So, let's define the goals. We need to remove Zouken from the war. Are going after him directly, or after Assassin?"

"... both?"

"But who's the priority? Assassin could get a new Master and do god knows what, and Zouken could be potent just because of what he knows, on top of whatever he's capable of personally."

[ ] Assassin.
[ ] Zouken.

>>28593346
Here, read it yourself. It's more or less dead now though.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=A%20Grail%20War%20In%20Reflection,

>>28593445
>[ ] Assassin
Worms ain't much to worry about

>>28593445
[X] Zouken. we can just seduce Assassin later, Worms has wronged us and our women and needs to be put down

>>28593461
Worm that walks
worm that talks
worm that bends your ear

>>28593445
>[X] Zouken.
Getting rid of Assassin just means Zouken is going to head EVEN FURTHER underground with whatever he's planning, which isn't a place we want to be. Zouken isn't going to stop just because he doesn't have a servant, and has the breadth of knowledge to work around it.

Having Assassin contracted to a more proactive master would ALSO be bad, but bad in a way that we're better equipped to manage.

>>28593445
>[ ] Zouken.

>>28593481
I'm just saying that Zouken's primary offensive power is Assassin, removing that should cripple him substenscially
Besides, it looks like we're kinda destined to fight, maybe

>>28593445
>[X] Assassin
Once he's out of the way, we can focus on figuring out a more permanent solution to Zouken.

>>28593513
>Old Man Zouken
>Master of Assassin
>Knows the ins and outs of the Grail system
>Winning by offensive power
>Thinking losing Assassin will cripple his efforts
Oh anon, you're so cute.

>>28593445
[X] Zouken
Assassin may be dangerous, but its Zouken thats the real threat here, and Zouken's good enough to just fucking vanish if we take out Assassin.

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>>28593445
but imma say [X] Zouken

we have... ways of dealing with assassin, given time
picrelated

>>28593552
You have to agree that with Assassin in tow, we're gonna have BIG trouble shoving his wormshit in

>step one- distract Assassin
>step two-shove Zouken full of Rule Breakers
>step three- start throwing weapons that hate vampires and worms at him

>>28593445
>[ ] Zouken.
It's not like Assassin can mastermind a plan for Grail victory right?

We're not even sure what Assassin is anymore

Rolled 20

>>28593445
[x] Zouken.
And then we seduce the Assassin.
Wait, maybe we can seduce Zouken as well?

>>28593445
>[ ] Assassin.

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>>28593703
N
O

>>28593703
not for all the nat 20s in china

>>28593703
Horrifyingly, the Dice Agree.

>>28593732
they would

>>28593703
>"Maybe I can be your granddaughter tonight~"

>>28593759
>>28593732
They hate us, so its par for the course

Rolled 17

>>28593703

No.

We give him the bike.

>>28593792
Soooo were going from "I'm going to Kill Zouken" to "I;m going to Rape Zouken".... dam you fickle dice gods

We should contract the job out to Shiki. Kill or rape, whatever he feels like.

>>28593808
But Cosgrove, the Bike is no longer actively trying to kill us. Why would you give it reason to seek us out for revenge?

>>28593811
>inb4 Shirou begins to see giving the D as the ultimate form of justice

>This quest is beginning to scare me.

>>28593889
>the Bike is no longer actively trying to kill us
That's what it wants you to believe

>>28593911
beginning? sorry, we'll try harder

>>28593911
Save us from our selfs AC-Guy

>>28590420
Is it possible to summon Crimson Moon as a servant via the help of Arc?

>>28593913
Welp, good work anon. Spoiler tags were the Bike's only weakness. Now it knows that we're on to it.
And so, Shirou's life will end as it began. In fire.

>What the fuck is even the plan?

>>28593929

>Not even a little bit. The true Crimson Moon is so far outside any system that would be sued for that he'd have a hard time seeing it on the horizon.

>>28593939
That's deep, dude
>>28593911
Beginning? We lost our shit and went insane long fucking time ago. Step up, senpai

>>28593955
>Not even a little bit. The true Crimson Moon is so far outside any system that would be sued for that he'd have a hard time seeing it on the horizon.

Explain a bit more clearer please, are you talking about the game system or Nasuverse mechanics?

>>28593955
>What the fuck is even the plan?
We were asked what's the priority, Assassin or Zouken, and we voted

But in the long. Term. We need to find that mountain campsite with Rider and Pegasus

>>28593955
The plan is simple we kill the wormman

>>28593955
>What the fuck is even the plan?
The objective is Zouken.
The plan is still being planned.

Initiate with Rule Breakers?
Skewer him with multiple Harpes?
Burn the remains with Gram?

>>28593969

>Both, on multiple levels.

>The Crimson Moon wasn't connected to any system bound to the planet, he was literally a being of unfathomable power basically on Earth with the cosmic equivalent of a green card maintaining certain standards on behalf of the spirit(s) of the planet.

>Summoning the Crimson Moon would be a plan that starts in the completely impossible end of crazy town and only gets worse from there.

Locate and spy upon.

Is Plan: Kill Zouken going to preempt Plan: Camping Trip?

>>28594034
I really think we should put Zouken off until after we investigate the camp
If HF is anything to go by, he's pretty passive so we have some time

>>28594056
>he's pretty passive
Yeah, he's been passively killing Kotomine, poisoning Rin, and trying to kidnap Ilya. Hell, we can probably just ignore him for the rest of the war.

>>28594022
Made a contract with Gaia, immortalized in legend and lore, most likely considered a hero to Gaia for providing a hard counter to humans. Hell, he's also currently defeated for the time being. I don't see why the will of Gaia/Akasha wouldn't take his soul and immortalize it forever in the Throne of Heroes.

Just have Arcueid use her Marble Phantasm and use the Millennium Castle as a focus.

And in regards to crazy town, I believe we've been since thread 1 and gone only even further with each subsequent thread.

Rolled 13

>>28593955
>>28593911
Go ahead, run away
say it was horrible!
Spread the word, tell a friend
Tell them the tale!

Get a pic, do a blog
Heroes are over with!
Look at him, not a word-
Hammer meet nail!

Zouken. Start planning on how to keep him dead. [/spoiler ]

>>28594077
So we stab the grail with rule breaker and break the summons contract with the grail right

>>28594071
Okay, fine, smartass
So should we just bring it on right now? We have all the tools we can get, but maybe we can cooperate with someone

>>28594077
Gaia and Akasha aren't the same thing, he never made a contract with Gaia, or at least not one where he became Gaia's bitch and he hasn't really been immortalized in legend.

Zouken was only truly killed by Dark Sakura in the VN, right?

>>28594137
Not really. She tore her heart open and took the crest worm out
It didn't kill Zouken, but it reduced him to a blathering pile of flesh. He only died because seeing Ilya in Heaven's Dress or whatever that thing is called made him accept death

>>28594101
Isn't the Throne of Heroes somewhere in Akasha, though?

As far as I can recall, at least. To be honest I don't really know the specifics of how the counter force has a direct connection to Akasha, but I guess a magus could exploit this with the ultimate goal of making a path there.

Oh wait, wasn't that was part of the original purpose of the Grail War? It's been a while and my memory's a bit fuzzy.

>>28594137
The last worm was wrapped around her heart which she then plucked out and squished him. Even then he was still wriggling on until Ilya walked by and reminding him of his original goals.
Then a rock fell and squished him

>>28594151
>>28594172
Didn't we already remove all the worms?

>>28594183
Apparently his phylactery is elsewhere. Or just wasn't killed

>>28594183
We're pretty sure she's Worm Free, but>>28594201

>Going with what looks like the consensus.

"Zouken. Assassin's bad, but Assassin is the kinda bad we're actually better equipped to deal with in the long run. If nothing else, he dies when the war is over. He'll have to come to us eventually. Zouken.... We kill Assassin, we drive him even further underground. He's already killed Kirei, potentially bringing the Church AND the Mages Association down on our heads.... I don't want to think of what he might do long term if we made him feel MORE desperate."

"Alright, so we kill Zouken." Ilya says with a nod. "So then the 'how' is still on the table. We need to find out something that might work on him, and keep Assassin from stopping us from killing him. So, we need a weapon and a servant." She frowns. "Which might be the problem. Saber's not going to want to leave until Rin's recovered, and Rider and Sakura...." She looks at me for a moment, and then looks away. ".... yeah, I had a feeling something was up."

[ ] "We have Allies." (Suggest Lancer/Caster)
[ ] "There might be a way...." (Suggest Archer)
[ ] "We need to wait until we're back at strength." (Saber/Rider)

>>28594221
[x] "There might be a way...." (Suggest Archer)
Time for him to come home.

>>28594162
Yes the Thrones of Heroes is in Akasha but Gaia has no connection to them.

What Gaia is doing is like providing a reference. Someone like Shirou who could potentially be a hero but for whatever reason doesn't quite get the mark gets this boost from Gaia that gets him into the Throne of Heroes. In return, they must be counter guardians for Alaya whenever she demands it.

The Grail War's original purpose was recreating the Third Magic. It just so happens that it can also open a path to the root and can also grant a wish or two. This is mostly done by using the Einzbern sorcery trait. Which really boils down to 'throw enough magic at it until it happens'.

Oh, and the counter force HATES any possible path to the root. If anyone ever tries to get through to the root, expect to get raped by numerous Counter Guardians.

>>28594221
>[ ] "There might be a way...." (Suggest Archer)

We don't even need to reveal that we are all buddy-buddy with him too, just remind her that the very first action Archer took was destroy Zooken's mansion.

I still think we should try and figure out a way to trick the grail and enlist Arc's help to summon Crimson Moon as a servant, if only to see how hilariously gamebreaking it would be.

>>28594221
>[X] "There might be a way...." (Suggest Archer)
If anyone'd know how to deal with Zouken, it'd be him.

>>28594221
>[X] "There might be a way...." (Suggest Archer)

>>28594245
Just drop it and focus on what's going on right now.

>>28594238
>>28594244
>>28594251
>>28594253
At least we are all on the same page here.

>>28594221
[X] "here might be a way...." (Suggest Archer)

Rolled 17

>>28594183
Well things are presumably different as Sakura never got the crest worm like the game- the grail remants went off to do other stuff. FS/A stuff.

The bike is on a holy misson from the Counterforce trying to kill Shirou to protect the world before we screw things up and cause its end.

>>28594219
>Worm Free
That's just great, now it sounds like a Stand name

>>28594239
I swear I recall reading somewhere that while with 6 servants contained by the Grail there's enough magic to fulfill a wish, if one were to order their last servant as a sacrifice to the grail as well there'd be enough concentrated prana to punch a hole to Akasha, or something like that.

Like I said it's been a while, and my memory is a small bit fuzzy.

>>28594278
Well yes, that's what I said there but instead of Akasha I put root which is rather confusing and I apologize but The Root is basically Akasha by a different name.

>>28594275
Quick! What was that band Sakura secretly liked again? We can totally make this a Carnival Phantasm thing.

>>28594278
Yeah, that's what the non-Einzbern mages wanted. And why it's considered important to leave one Command Seal to the end ( besides any master/servant antipathy)

>>28594301
No idea
Apparently it was somehow hinted at at some point, but it totally flew over my head

>>28594301
Wasn't it 2Pac??

>>28594301
>>28594322
>>28594353
Wasn't it Linkin Park?

Rolled 1

>>28594221
[x] "There might be a way...." (Suggest Archer)
Also we can ask Caster if she wants to go worm hunting.

Rolled 15

>>28594373
yes
get the 1s out of our system

"... There might be a way to move now." I respond, looking at Ilya.

"What do you mean?"

"Archer is still out there, and I know he's less than fond. I don't think it would be hard to convince him to help me."

"Archer." Ilya responds deadpan, looking at me. "The Servant who might be an insane future you who wants you dead so he can zero-sum himself out of existence."

"When you say it like that, it sounds like a terrible plan." Ilya stares at me horrified for several seconds before I continue. "Alright, but it's an idea. I'm fairly certain I could talk him around into a cease-fire long enough to make Zouken dead, possibly Assassin too. It also has the added bonus of not needing to buy off a favor from one of our allies or waiting for either of the sisters to recover."

"Also you aren't risking anyone you actually care about." Ilya responds, somewhere between teasing and contemplative. "It makes a certain amount of sense..... but how to do it?"

".... I don' know."

"Well, that's the part to focus on then." She says, shrugging. ".... I'm surprised you haven't asked about Rin."

"You would've said something if I needed to know."

".... Trying not to focus on it?"

"I can't not focus on it. I'm just..... trying to maintain."

"Well, there is good news." Ilya says. "I can say with certainty the muck is gone entirely, and from a physical and magical perspective she should be back to her old self in a couple of days at the latest."

".... You seem to be excluding 'mentally'."

"..... It's not something you can tell this early on. I do know she's strong, mentally and emotionally. She's as strong as any of us. I think she'll be more or less fine.... but I won't lie and say I know for certain."

>Actions?

Rolled 4

>>28594387
Funny thing, I rolled that 20 earlier, and now this 1...

>>28594403
>[x] Telephone Issei

Rolled 20

>>28594410
/tg/ seeks balance in all things: crits will balance crits, lewds will balance chivalry, shitposts will balance quality.

>>28594403
Call Issei in order to meet archer.

Should we take anyone with us?

>>28594430
Apparently.

Rolled 2

>>28594431
We should at least tell Sakura we're off to kill her grandad

telecommunicate with Issei

>>28594442
We are not doing that yet.

>>28594403
Send Issei a message, then maybe finally take Rider and scout that campsite

>>28594403
>Hug Ilya. Ask her if there's anything she wanted to discuss before we rudely interrupted her with plans to murder the worm man.

>>28594501
I don't know what worries me more, the fact that we said something scary out of nowhere to Ilya like that or that she's apparently used to that

>>28594562
>or that she's apparently used to that

This is Ilya. She takes a lot more after her Dad than she'd admit.

Her response to Assassin charging her was to pull out a gun and start shooting, remember.

Which reminds me:

>>28594403
"Where did you get the gun?"

I give her a hug and apologize for springing that on her, and she tells me all she wanted to do was confirm Rin was alright for my sake. She's about to go check on Sakura when a thought occurred to me.

"Hey Ilya? Where did you get that gun?"

"From the giant stockpile in the shed. I found that book Dad left for you with the instructions and grabbed something appropriate to my size." She sees the look I'm giving her. "I wasn't sure how personal it was, so I didn't really read anything, I literally just skimmed the section on firearms to find something that wouldn't break my wrist if I shot it."

"So why even get a gun?"

"My magic isn't well suited to direct combat. The best I have on my own are my eyes, and they can be resisted. A pistol isn't that good against the average supernatural threat, but not all threats are supernatural. I mean, I'm one particularly strong willed pedophile from doom without it."

After she leaves to see how Things are going with Sakura and Rider, I give Issei a call. He picks up on the third ring. "Shirou? What's going on?"

"Have you seen Archer?"

"Not recently. Before I went to school he said he had something urgent to take care of, but he would be back in the morning."

"Damn."

"I'll look around when I finish walking home, see if he happens to be nearby, but I honestly don't expect to see him until early tomorrow."

He tells me he'll have Archer call me back as soon as he can pass the message along, as well as informing me that nothing weird seems to have happened other than Emi missing a couple days of school before she came back seemingly oblivious to the passage of time.

Ilya comes back, and tells me that Rider and Sakura apparently had some kind of argument, but now they've made up. She also advises me to let them come to me instead of crowding them.

>Actions?

>>28594804
>I mean, I'm one particularly strong willed pedophile from doom without it.

At least shes got her priorities.

>>28594804
[x] Try to figure out the Avalon bullshit. Try to Trace it, maybe?

>>28594804
>I mean, I'm one particularly strong willed pedophile from doom without it."

Clever girl.

>>28594804
Oops, forgot my name.

Talk to Saber? Rin sleeps, and we gotta let team purple come to us. What else can we do for today?

>>28594822
Well, our first will save against her hypnotic eyes was named "vs loli", so she has a point.

>>28594804
>Actions?

Shirou needs to chill out, go rest.

>>28594840
Sooo... if we'd failed that, Shirou rape? and since he's the minor...

Any other ideas, folks?
Right now all we have are sleep, talk a Saber, and trace Avalon

>>28594959
FUCKING CAMPSITE

>>28594804
Just fyi Illyia can actually shoot fuck you levels of magic death at people. She tries it against Sakura when she goes dark but being powered by a devil allows Sakura to lolnope it. Illyia also has a bunch of protectinos on herself which she used to survive Sakuras counter attack though they overloaded and knocked her out I believe.

>>28594968
Yes this is a damned good idea. Wait maybe google earth?

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>>28594968
Indeed. But I think we need to take a servant with us before heading out, and if we asked Saber right now, she'd probably pic related.

>>28594979
No-one in our current party is anywhere near technologically competent enough to figure out Google Earth.

>>28594968
Grab some Kerry equipment like sniper rifles and scopes for said rifles and lets go a scouting.

Okay, Kill Zouken delayed.

Activate Brack Friday Camparu!

>Hey, I'm having a hard time on the wakefulness front over here, so you guys mind if we call it a night? I'm totally up for continuing tomorrow if the thread's still alive, but for right now sleep is the only good idea I can have.

>>28595025
Yeah, 's cool

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>>28595025
Sure thing, boss. I think there's only four of us up right now as is.

>We need a weapon that will kill Zouken

Ask Avenger for some Grail Mud? We know he's the source, or at least has reliable access to it.

Having a toxin that infects the soul and will cause him to drown in his own regrets and despair seems like a fitting end for the 'wormnigger'.

>>28595025
That's okay.

>>28595038
Neat
If we ally ourselves with Avenger, everyone, especially Red Archer will fucking lose their shit
I'm not against the idea, mind you

>>28595079
The Good Guy/Bad Guy teamup is a staple of the Mahou Shou- I mean, Superhero genre!
After we defeat the Ancient Evil we can go right back to murdering each other!

>>28595122
Except we're having a Good Guy/Ancient Evil teamup versus the Bad Guy

Updated timeline in the usual place.
http://pastebin.com/Mb3tSdHK

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Bump, also holy shit it's only been 6 days in the game so far?

>>28598530

We're currently on Day 12.

Canon Shirou has gotten laid by now.

>>28598549
Oh shit, you're right
So we have three days left, not counting this one
In HF shit would be ready to hit the fan at this point

>>28595079
>>28595122
>>28596259

When I suggested it, I was thinking less 'team up' and more 'see if Avenger would be willing to give us something like that needle Archer used'.

>>28600456
Well, I was thinking something like asking his opinion on Zouken, and if it was negative, propose killing that faggot

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Question: Why make the choice of one ally or another to call in? If we seriously want this sucker dead, why not pull everything we've got?

"Hey Issei, tell Archer the Worm needs to die. It's happening tomorrow night."

"Oi Caster, you owe me for saving Souichibro. We're killing Zouken tomorrow night. Be involved."

"Hey, Avenger, brother! You're sick of Zouken messing with your plans, and I want him dead for reasons. How 'bout a party tomorrow night? Gold Archer's invited too. Tell him it'll gain him massive Saber-points for helping me out."

"Hey Lancer, fancy a good fight? We're gunna blow the crap out of Zouken tomorrow night and it's going to be awesome. You should join us."

>>28601329
Gather all seven Dragon Balls Servants in one place, with a man who knows the ins and outs of the system.

Mkay.

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>>28601329

>>28601329

Well, we don't want to tip off Avenger that Archer might not hate us anymore and therefore get him killed.

Archer has also openly or secretly betrayed literally everyone at this point, so odds of him getting killed for his backstabbing is better than decent.

Lancer finding out we can apparently talk peacefully and work with Gil/venger will do terrible things to our alliance.

Caster finding out about that will also do terrible things to our alliance.

This is under the supposition that Caster/Lancer would be available to risk their lives while their respective masters are relatively vulnerable.

This is under the supposition that Avenger wouldn't take advantage of the gathering of servants after Zouken was dead to nuke as many people as possible and get an easy win.

This is under the assumption that Gilgamesh would give enough of a shit to even show up.

And that's before we get into the logistics of taking all of our allies into a place with an Assassin who apparently has body-swapping powers and the ability to take a freaking Saber head-on.

And that's just off the top of my head, there's probably more and better reasons for not doing that as well.

>>28601421
>all seven
Rider and Saber will be at the house. Rules of the Buddy System. The Shirou Alliance will only be sending Shirou to this fight.
So at most we'd be sending 5. If you include Avenger and Gil as "servants we're sending".

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>>28601493
>an Assassin who apparently has [...] the ability to take a freaking Saber head-on.

So instead, we're going to go in half-cocked, despite the fact that we've "annihilated" this opponent twice, with our only backup being a future us, who has also tried and failed to hunt down and eradicate the worm.

And our goal has been stated to NOT be the destruction of the Assassin that will probably have little trouble tying us both down indefinitely, but the destruction of the near-immortal vampire that he's protecting.

Yup, sure, I can support this plan.

>>28602233
Cool, glad you support it, because its happening and you can't stop it.

>>28602282
At the very least, I'd suggest we invite Avenger/Gil instead of Archer. Avenger has more reason to be pissed at Zouken for his fucking with his plans. Plus, they don't have a track record of failing to kill him.

>>28602422
You forget that both Zouken and Avenger are apparently unwilling to face Archer in combat. Here's the thing Archer can kill Zouken for good, two words. Reality Marble.

>>28602422
That will take approximately zero seconds to blow up in our face. He's still our enemy, even if he's been more civil than Zouken.

Even if he doesn't kill us, if any of our allies see us working with him we'll have a diplomatic incident on our hands, which is code for "holy shit our alliance is self-destructing wait no Caster stop shooting lasers everywhere."

Because I guarantee that Caster and Bazette are still keeping tabs on things, and any kill-the-wormnigger expedition isn't going to stay quiet for long once a fight starts.

Keep going Bumparu

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Bumping.

Bumping.

Another hour and we can begin the summoning ritual! I'll gather up some extra virgins

The perfect thread to track while procrastiwriting a paper due in fourteen hours. I'm excited.

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>>28609396
Let me help you with that. Here's one who'll fit the bill, perfectly!

So, as a fun little thing, after I got through my British Literature class this semester of university, we had gone over the story of an Arthurian knight named "Percival".

It's almost cheeky how that's the one thing Nasu never directly correlates. Cute.

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>>28609468
What? No, not that kind!

>>28609619
Well, that explains the rolls.
/tg/ has been sacrificing the wrong kind of virgin.

>I'm gonna grab something to eat real quick and we'll be back on.

>Someone mind telling me what the plan is so I can get to writing about how badly it's going to go?

>>28609705
Huzzah!

I think our plan was to put the Zouken Murderfest on the backburner and focus on...something else. I don't think we ever affirmatively decided on the "something" though.

>>28609705
>there is no plan
>we've managed to accomplish nothing, except "take a break"

>>28609705
It was somewhere between "Find campsite" and "find something to kill zouken with"

>>28609854
Oh, yeah, we were going to find that campsite. Yeah, might as well work on that.

>>28609749
>>28609754
>>28609854
>>28609868
We suck at consensus
Why do you put up with us, AC-Guy?

>>28609878
Because our floundering idiocy is way, way too satisfying to ever be ceased.

>>28609705
Grab a local map. See where the approximate location of the clearing Merlin told us is on the map.
Ask Ilya if that place has any significance in terms of magic.

If we don't progress much on that front, watch TV for any news, or see if there are any escalations in terms of missing persons cases.
Would've gone to a nearby police box, but going out alone seems to be a big no-no right now.

I really, really want to have Shirou personally see the clearing already.

>>28609888
That's why everyone QM's. Even me.

>>28609888
>our floundering idiocy
At least we're getting into the protagonist's role.

>>28609705
I'm with the "find campsite" crew. Hell, for all we know we might just run into Archer out there.

>>28609907
>getting into
Being devious in our batshit lunacy does not distance us from the idiocy of the protagonist. We've never escaped our role. We've been on the hamster wheel the whole time.

So, I guess we're all cool with finding the campsite, then? No other ideas being tossed around, and I'm assuming AC Guy is already going at it. Or his cabin is melting from acidic termites.

>Alright, so you want to look into the campsite thing? That kinda looks like the consensus, so let's go there.

>For those of you saying 'map' you don't have one, in case that affects the vote.

>>28610176
I'll support it.

Not the termite thing. That's horrible to say, and temps whatever horrible gods watch over QMs.

>>28610203
>you don't have one
What year is this? Google Maps, motherfucker.

Yay, adventure in the woods!

>>28610223
>what year is this
2004-ish
>Google Maps
If Google Maps exists in Japan at this point, I'll just say that not once do I recall Shirou or anyone else currently in the house having a personal computer that could access such a thing.

>>28610244
Public library?

>>28610244
Bizarrely, you're right.
I don't think I remember seeing any computers in Fate/Stay, in fact. Anywhere.

>>28610253
Maybe, but we have magic, so scrying would be a quicker, more reliable thing to do in this case anyways.

>>28610269
Suspension of Disbelief is a helluva drug, ain't it?

>>28610284

>We have magic

We have SWORD magic. Rin's the only one who probably could, and she's indisposed.

>>28610346
From the air, pepper the ground with swords. Then see through the swords to search for the site. No this isn't overly complicated/impossible

>>28610346
Well, Ilya has some form of specialized scrying that she can use. Surely she can use more basic forms of that school of magic as well.

So assuming we DO find the campsite, what next? Go there? Scout it remotely? Aggressive attack or attempt at passive tactics?

What if we don't? What do we do next?

>>28610253
Public library or town hall would have that stuff. Guaranteed.

Lavar Burton would never lie to me.

>>28610810

Answer is always spooky magic.

>>28610810
Oh please, if we find it then we can walk right through it. If we have... The Box!

>>28610838
>>28610284
>>28610244
Regardless, Google maps wasn't a thing until 2005.

>>28610861
Brilliant.

Ooo, it's been almost an hour. I'll get the Wheel of Misery ready on standby.

Can't believe people manage to forget the campsite thing even though APPARENTLY OUR TRUE SELF IS LIVING THERE
Unless it turns out to be just Archer

>>28610974
To be absolutely fair to the rest of the readers, there are a half-dozen other things occurring right now that are of equal or greater importance. It's easy to lose track of what to manage in this quest.

>>28610996
But not as much we can do something about
We're done with vampires, right?

>>28610972
Hit it.

I've never checked out the ebook. Do our plans whiplash back and forth as much as I imagine?

Get all set and do stuff one thread. Days pass, memory fades. New thread comes aboot and someone mentions an idea that everyone jumps on... which is completely different from what Shirou was working on supposedly a few minutes/hours ago

>>28610996
especcialy following up on that hint on how to break the quest

Rolled 10

>>28611056
Wheel of Misery, turn, turn, turn!
Which of AC-Guy's possessions has just burned?

>[ ] The fire is on fire.
>[ ] Couch
>[ ] Dog piss
>[ ] This Router
>[ ] Car
>[ ] Dinner
>[ ] Computer desktop
>[ ] Bath tub
>[ ] AC-Quest notes
>[ ] All of the above
>[ ] None

>>28611072
Basically, yes.
See: Avalon. We have all the clues necessary to pull it out of Shirou's body/soul/whatever, we just haven't sat down and put them all together.

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>>28611115
....

>>28611115
>10
>Again

HAHAHAHAHSHAHAHAHAAHAHA

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>>28611115
whoops

>>28611115
>Rolled 1d11: 10
Always. Fucking typical.

>>28611115
ahahahaha
twice in a row

>>28611120
We have no idea where Avalon is. It's (probably) affecting us, but it's not in us.

>>28611115
>>28611131

I'll get it next week, I guess.

Rolled 10

>>28611115
>>28611135

Tell me, this curse cast upon AC-Guy, is this the ability of your Stand Wheel of Misery?!

>>28611201
>10 again
Okay, now I'm actually worried.

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>>28611201

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Rolled 6

>>28611201
...


One more for the road?

>>28611115

Rolled 10

>>28611228
Okay, looks like it's just dinner.


Probably.

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Rolled 5

>>28611228

Rolled 4

>>28611115

Don't worry, AC-Guy.

I'll stop the [Wheel of Misery]!

https://twitter.com/ArmoredQuest

Ah, good ole 4chan errors

>>28611257
HA.

>>28611257
Lol

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Rolled 4

>>28611257
MFW

>>28611273
At least his computer isn't on fire...

So, Hey guys.

Apparently AC-Guy is having some kind of unspecified connection issues?

He gave me a call, see if I could do something, but given how I know for a fact he's lied about like 90% of what's going on I don't think I can run in his stead. Also, I'm in a bad mood for herding cats.

I guess I can answer any questions in the meantime, try and figure out a solid course of action to work with?

I dunno.

>>28611325
How often does ACGuy's everything catch fire?

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Rolled 9

>>28611269
>The router.

I have failed. I am shamed.

>>28611273
Well, hopefully everything will be alright.

>>28611325
On a scale of 1 to God doesn't know how this happens, how fucked up is AC-Guy's internet.

I can't fucking stand all these 10s.
My sides are on fire.

Rolled 5

>The notes

>>28611395
I know. It's horrible.

>>28611325
I mean, we're going to work on finding the campsite. Other than that, it's on a case-by-case basis right now. We're in sleuth mode, and we can't really elaborate further until we get some information.

Rolled 7

>>28611422
How did I mislink >>28611358?

>>28611333

Simultaneously? Not often. Though there was that time he had to call off running because of a forest fire.

>>28611375

He was able to contact me without resorting to telegraph, and apparently he can see the internet, but can't interact with parts of it.

>>28611432

You guys already 'know' where the campsite is. Merlin literally implanted the knowledge of it's exact location directly into your head during that dream conversation.

>>28611325
Go for a hike in search of the campsite. That was kinda the plan we had. "With whom" and "how" are still kinda fuzzy


And what in the world error does he get that repeatedly keeps him from all but viewing the site?

>>28611325
>but given how I know for a fact he's lied about like 90% of what's going on I don't think I can run in his stead

yeahbuhwhat?

>>28611473
>"With whom" and "how" are still kinda fuzzy
How the fuck is that fuzzy? With Rider, on Pegasus

>>28611458
Quick!
TELL US ALL OF THE THINGS WHILE HE'S GONE.

Rolled 1

>>28611458
...I don't believe that.


Maybe he sacrificed a squirrel.

If he DIDN'T,this will be a 10.