13th day of prophecy, inside the enclosed world in the form of a Cathedral, currently battling the High Inquisitor.

It’s amazing how quickly the advantage can shift on the battlefield, just like how bold moves can trump over safety and apparent advantage; your enemy constructed a vast array of crude magical crossbow able to fire only by the power of magic itself but it was nonetheless effective in keeping you pinned, the large pillar of white marble you’ve taken for cover is thankfully insulated but that doesn’t mean it’s safe to peak out; the sound of thunder clamor loudly as the magical bolts pierce the distance, bursting and lighting up with magic as they penetrate into the stone and discharge the potent electricity uselessly, all this while your foe and his puppet were running full speed in the air, their weights and steps supported by invisible shields creating a temporary bridge.

If there’s one thing to be observed, is that Ahriman is pretty damn fast, however another problem in sight in the form of five charging, heavily armored statues simply cannot be overlooked and as such your quick thinking and adrenaline absent of mental pollution thank to Focus quickly decide on defense, something to deal with the pesky projectiles and those damn invaders at once thanks to a healthy dose of dual casting.

You feel the pure raw energy transported in your veins, coupled with the powerful stimulants the sentiments of intense euphoria is hard to push away but the raw power is enough for the first part of your barrier to marge and thick ,creamy fog suddenly appear all around your sphere of influence and placing you at the nexus, allowing you to duck out of the pillar safety but still keep to the level of the handrail as you run out of reach, simultaneously icing over the ground in such a quick fashion that the overeager golems footing was lost all at once their strategy had been a single minded charge in the form of a line instead of individualistic strikes, thus they entangled themselves into one another as a few lost their footing and the domino effect sent all the battle maiden crashing hard into the floor, the sound of groaning metal and breaking ceramics as hard, cold iron smashed and broke into it was deafening but this, at least, provided some breathing room which probably ended up saving your life.

>Roll of 15 was a success

As the fog rendered the aim of the crossbows near useless, the items still discharged the rest of their cargo wildly in all directions thankfully none of them came close to you and since this barrier was yours you were able to create holes of clarity to keep eyes on your mark and prepare a set of projectiles of your own, intent on piercing his defenses but you very, very quickly veered into a different strategy as you saw him mid run, holding his second and last bomb having just finished being lighted by a white alchemical flame; you’ve seen those type before and thankfully the fog robbed him of perfect aim but he still threw the thing right inside your reach, forcing you to create a thick globe and brace for impact, even he stopped midway in the air to allow the vicious, magically reinforced weapon to blow.

Your mother described some of these bombs akin to a vicious roar of nature; something so small had no right to rival the power of mages, but the explosion of shrapnel and magical fire and wind caused the entire set of ceramics on the soils of your balcony to break after detonation as the deafening sound and aftershock rooted you on the spot while ,thankfully, your shield held and prevented any of the vicious newly created projectiles to wound you; the 5 others statues however, were not so lucky as their weapons, armors and body broke under the cruelty of that vicious bomb, sending them crashing down on the floor below or simply pulverized by the shock.

The combination of magic and science is absolutely unreal.

But then, battle is not to be interrupted as Ahriman last statue jumped onto your balcony, it’s form was just like the others but her movements had a certain illusion of dexterity absents in the others and the lady clutched her shield and spear while turned toward your side, unable to pinpoint your position through the mist while Ahriman seemed content to wait, changing his pace to a walk, yet preparing to jump while holding the wicked knife of Induced Death, the distance with your balcony reduced to a few quick steps.

He’s running out of options…

And you’re running out of time.

What do you do?

>>28363433
Ok, so his game plan seems to be get the last remaining golem to distract us and go for the seventeen point dissection with the knife with Belvedere likely in a sniping position ready to nail us the instant we try anything funny/make contact with the golem to increase the effectiveness of the distraction...

How far away is that golem from being able to block an attack on Ahriman? And what's our distance relative to this sad sorry fool of an Inquisitor?

>>28363433
Create a Slime construct of approximately our size, connected to us by a tendril of water at our feet. Have this slime form up about 2 meters to our right and one meter ahead.
Use the slime as a turret, channeling our magic through it so that ice javelins are formed from it and it fires a large burst at Ahriman.
Use the opportunity of when he moves aside and the golem attacks the origin point of the ice javelins (the slime turret) and send a second wave of attacks at Ahriman, catching him by surprise with the second attack from an unexpected vector.

>>28363555

He and the statue have effectively split so they've got a fair bit of distance and as for him and you, I'd say about 3 meters or so, he's jsut about ready to jump on the balcony but stopped midway.

>>28363588
This is Ahriman. You need at least two constructs to fool him. I imagine he'll be expecting a single decoy.

>>28363588
>>28363610
In addition to this, could we freeze the ground where Ahriman and the golem would land, to make their footing uncertain? Or maybe form a flat slime familiar, that's only a millimeter thick, so that it looks like ice but can actually shoot up as spikes it Ahriman thinks he can simply float over it? And since our manaphage ability also affects our spells, if the slime familiars stay connected to us, do they also get the manaphage ability and can therefore eat through magical shields?

>>28363658

That operation is feasible but I'd need a roll to confirm a success since it's pretty complicated as you'd need to extend it beyond your Sphere of Influence.

You'll probably not be able to make it where Ahriman will land tough, the statue that acted as bodyguard is already on your balcony.

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>>28363610
Crap fuck shit he's in range! Any other balconies in any reasonable range and where are they?

Form that one spell, the one Avina taught us, use steam or something to leap up about three meters so we have a downward angle on him (so he can't just duck behind the outside of the balcony), then fire! Let's see him dodge this one, a wall of fucking ice needles. Even if he survives he'll have needles sticking out of his knees and arms, leaving him incapable of dodging a concentrated follow-up attack that ought to end him.

Shield the vectors of a possible sniper attack with angled Ice Plate layers as we do this, I know that bitch is just waiting for something like this.

>>28363658
Seconding some ice.
We need him off balance and slowed

>>28363848
I'm gonna vote against this sadly. I agree with your goal but it is unlikely to succeed.

>>28363804
Also, same guy, add to this plan 2 more grenades. Hit the edge of the balcony with them to further the impossibility of him dodging it all.

>>28363804

By that spell, you mean the big wall fileld with thousands of tiny needles, or the one requiring you to snack on your soul?

As for the propulsion, that'l lbe pretty hard since yo uare not used to getting airborn at all so I'll need a roll and the closest balcony is the one opposite of your current position, where Ahriman was previously before taking off.

>>28363872
Ok, true enough. It isn't part of our domain after all.
Heck it would be simpler to keep him back with shooting ice shards

>>28363935
The one with thousands of tiny needles. It broke through bandit shields and armor and Ahriman doesn't seem to be wearing plate. Needles can fit through the gaps in chainmail and I need something he can't possibly dodge. I need him to uselessly bunker up and take the full hit. Again, doubt it'll kill him, but it'll bring down his physical capabilities enough for a concentrated ice spike attack to break through his MEoDP and skewer his ass good. He ain't Noscrim, a few spikes in his torso and he's done. We will of course head shot him for good measure.

Also, we don't need the impossible speed we needed before, can't he just form a small platform, then suddenly form a lot more ice below it and jump once it reaches 2 meters to get some air? Kinda like making a piston to launch him up just a bit compared to our earlier stunt?

Make razor ice wire out of ice and put it above head level. If Ahriman wants to jump at us, he's welcome to cut himself to pieces.

As for the last statue, toss an alchemical softball at it: A sphere of ice with a freezing fog inside it. It parries the shell or is hit by it, and is instantly frozen over.

>>28364040
... Ice that thin isn't going to do much. As far as I'm aware, after it's created it is still normal ice. It's not like the ice is unnaturally sharp or stronger than normal ice.

>>28364024
That's going to use up a lot of our magic and doesn't sound like it will be very effective.
And something as slow as what you suggested would merely make us an easy target for Ahriman and his golem, especially as we'd be out of cover of the fog.

>>28364122
Doesn't matter. The point is to make him pause in attacking from where he is, not to kill him with it. He's been controlling the battlefield for the entire fight, by reducing his avenues of attack we start to assert control.

Hmm I think I'l lstart to give suggestions in the form of >choices in order to make the fight faster, altought for now I think we've got two options.

>>28364024

This and

>>28364040

this.

One is offense, other is defence. I'll roll of there's no consensus in a few minutes

>>28364251
A new option just came to me. Instead of launching ourselves, we launch 2 grenades to either side of him at the top of the rails along the balcony. Ahriman will either bunker up or knife one while shielding his other side, either way, after that it's Ice Needles with manaphage immediately followed by a torrent of ice spikes also with manaphage.

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Rolled 1

>>28364251

Right, cutting through the stalemate

>>28364352
Either way I just get the feeling that no matter what we do Ahriman sees it all coming and that there is no legitimate way to surprise him.

Fuck this guy is tough.

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Damnation I'm suffering a little interruption, update will suffer a 10-20 minutes delay.

>>28364578
All right, he's gone, time to talk about lewd.

Ame is clearly the lewdest, she gets off to watching her mom get fucked.

>>28364686
No doubt there, the crazy ones always are they lewdest......or get a bonus to lewd, forget which

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>>28364686

No lewd, only pure

>>28364870
>not virgin
>pure
I know you know what comes next, you post on /a/.

>>28364891

But she's a virgin!

Tails are pretty handy

>>28364870
More like batshit crazy but keeps some kind of a lid on it. Girl needs help.

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>>28364937

So what's the plan when this attack fails? Are we even going to have enough magic left without taking the second stimpack or using the painkiller?

>>28365106
Don't think we planned that far ahead, should we burn some soul to finish him or we not that desperate yet?

>>28365106
Status of this fight is that both combatants are pretty damned desperate right now. Besides he has no clue about our manaphage ability (good thing we didn't eat the warmer).

This will cause him to fuck up and block with holy when he really can't.

The attack will do something, the question is how much of a something and how he can respond.

>>28365106
Besides, let's not forget, we can walk/run on air or jump off of aerial platforms for some 3 dimensional mobility.

>>28365237
We are not skilled at moving in 3 dimensions while Ahriman has shown that he is skilled with it.
We would just become an easy target.

>>28365237
But Siggy has never done that before. Ahriman is an expert. Fighting him on his own terms sounds like a terrible idea.

>>28365289
I was suggesting that we aren't totally boned if the attack completely fails. We'll have a way to quickly get back on solid ground or otherwise block/dodge an attack. I am in no way suggesting we stay in the air after this.

>>28365318
The point you were responding to was asking what we'd do if Siggy tapped out his mana reserves. If Siggy runs out of magic, he can't go three dimensional.

>>28365357
If he taps out he mans up and starts casting from HP. We can't lose here.

>>28365318
Even going up into the air at all would put us right into Ahriman's sights and he can make a straight bull rush at us.

>>28365490
And then he charges right into our attack. An attack he doesn't know he can't block.

>>28365504
An attack he can cut apart with his knife.
Which he would use at this close range over a shield since cutting through an attack lets him keep coming closer to us more efficiently than putting up a shield.

>>28365548
He can't cut the whole attack, he can only cut one thing at a time. If he could just cut the balcony and "kill" it he would have done so to put us into his kind of game, the air game. He didn't, so he can't. He has to "kill" each attack individually. He won't be able to do that here.

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I'm still working on this update but I'm feeling increasingly tired and terrible as time goes on, I'm not sure how long I can keep up but I,ll try.

>>28365548
In essence, it's a kind of false MEoDP. The knife is doing all the work. It must come into contact with the target to kill it. As it cannot come into contact with things like "concepts" it cannot do things like "kill" a building or a whole attack. It will, however, kill any area it comes into contact with, meaning it can cut pretty much anything.

This is why it can easily kill Orion or other such super tough enemies. If they get stabbed in the heart, their heart dies. Just like that. They won't even be able to regenerate it even if they're supposed to have that ability, because things die when they are killed.

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>>28365617
We believe in you, keep it up.

Thanks to the explosives, your flank has been mostly cleared of threats; the small trap you’ve installed has also been completely pulverized by his vicious weapon but at least that allowed to concentrate on other spells, the thick mist you’ve created all around you is a fantastic defense indeed, forcing the High Inquisitor and the statue to pause and try to pinpoint your position, remaining motionless but tense and ready to jump at a moment notice.

Slowly, very slowly, you move toward the edge of your balcony, minding the debris and noisy rumbles and making certain you avoid rattling any pieces of broken ceramics, you put one of your boot against the handrail, relying on your ears to give you vital warnings as to the statue movement that, for now, seem content in staying near her pillar, shouldering spear and shield but unwilling to charge to her death.

What an amazing show of self-preservation.

You’ve always preferred offense over defense and your vantage point is giving you a clear advantage but the spells you need to prepare are going to be hard and costly…

But you can’t help but feel some exultation, mayhap an effect of this stimulant but the foe your facing seem just as capable as you are and it fills you excitement; the possibility of unleashing your full potential unhindered for this magical clash make the passage of time even more difficult to pinpoint.

>’’Yeah, I’m feeling it too’’

>>28365698
It can still come into contact with the projectiles of an attack an cut through them, and come in contact with the magic field controlling an attack and nullify it.
Just because it can't 'kill' a building doesn't mean it can't cut through the wall of one.

A set of magical bombs hover above your shoulders while you full the world with your pure, raw powers; conquering the law of this enclosed world and imposing your will upon it, you remember the small Yukiwarashi and that short, much too short week where she showed you all the possible spells you could do for fun and how to pervert them for your purpose of killing. A shower of tiny needles is one of your most terrible and strongest of attacks and the power your putting into it as thousands upon thousands of transparent little things compact into each other’s enough to obscure the wall behind you, the High Inquisitor picked up on your drain and charged forth; the balance of power can easily be felt and when one mage start to prepare something big, everyone in the area can easily feel it.

That’s when your bombs burst forth in a beautiful arc, Ahriman was just a few meters shorts of the balcony and you predicted that he’d take the shortest route, but to his credit the man react fast to your spells and swing his knife toward the leftmost ball, eviscerating it with amazing dexterity and the effect force your attack to disappear, thankfully your second grenade meet its mark on his platform and explode just as he raise his defenses…

The High Inquisitor raises strong shields at his front and flanks, scoop down to put his knee forward and crisscrosses his arms in front of his face, you unleash your spell at the exact moment his doll start moving and your ball of spikes explodes, your simultaneous strike can only be described as magnificent, but so in his defenses…

If only you didn’t have a perfect counter.

The explosion to his right is chaotic, while you can easily form a magical explosive that doesn’t mean you can pinpoint the projectiles or influence the accuracy, nevertheless your manaphage nature no doubt came as an absolute surprise because the projectiles pierced his side shield and dung into him painfully, going from his tight up to his elbow while cutting into the chainmail, your rain of needles came only a second later and the high Inquisitor reflex was to reinforce his potent, extremely strong shields but that, of course, was in vain.

The shower cut the air and dug right into his arms, leg and exposed torso while only scratching the surface of his face and head as he scooped lower, you noticed one thing very, very fast after your successful attack; no blood came out of his legs or gored arms, the only trickle came from his wounded body and face and you finally saw some patch of skin from his covered hands, the white gloves now ruined…

It was a peerless white reminding you of pearls; artificial arms.

The High Inquisitor arms and legs are obviously alchemical apparatus, the man immediately rise and you Focus anew to launch a series of spikes but the advantage is his for now and he quickly close the gap despite the wounds on his body and jump onto your balcony at the side of his statue, the creature quickly shield him with his shield and cease your cast for the time being, concentrating simply on keeping your protective fog alive.

‘’Very interesting indeed, mister Shieffer… Now I understand the root of your success.’’

…

Despite how it look, your guts tells you that this fight won't be going on for much longer.

What do you do?

>>28365833
>swing his knife toward the leftmost ball, eviscerating it with amazing dexterity and the effect force your attack to disappear,
I said he'd be able to cut apart a spell, and he did exactly that.

>>28365853
Looks like I was right about those needles being pretty much useless.
Now we showed our trump card for nothing.

>>28365853
Will using a slime familiar within our zone of influence as a turret still be considered difficult to do?

Also, are large blocks of ice, cubes of dense ice maybe 25kg each and launched at the speed of our regular ice javelins cost more mana than our regular ice attacks?

>>28365967

The turret will be pretty damn ahrd to do.

The blunt projectile will cost about the same amount of efforts

>>28365853
Ice spikes, lots of em, aim for the lethal areas his arms and legs are still good but now he's bloodied.

Try and freeze the ground around him as well, may get him to trip up.

>>28365861
He can kill ONE attack. Just one. If we launch say 20 spikes at him he has to cut each one individually.

>>28365988

He's taking cover on his pillar, altought yo udo have some bead on him it'll be ahrd to actually strike him with the statue providing cover.

Even with that in mind, do you still wish to suppress him?

>>28365982
I don't remember if you answered this before, but can frost magic create super-cold liquids that can freeze things on contact? Like a projectile with a core of liquid nitrogen or it's magic equivalent?

Since we can't freeze Ahriman and his golem since they're beyond our zone of influence.

>>28366038
No, it's an idea that won't work, just like the last one didn't.

>>28366050

Yes it can, just like you can create acid filled/coated projectile. Once the cold liquid coem in contact with the air, you'll need to keep supplying it with magic to keep it in the world and you'll have to supply even more energy if you want to keep a living body frozen.

>>28366038
Ok, so how tough is that statue? How much will it take to kill?

>>28365988
>If we launch say 20 spikes at him he has to cut each one individually.
But he already showed that he can tank multiple attacks on his artificial arms and legs, and any attempt by us to produce that many spikes will tip him off to the attack. Not to mention he can now attack using his golem as moving cover, reducing our effective angles of attack.

>>28366126
Hey guys?

Can we manaphage his arms? Is alchemy a form of magic?

If not? then can we just acid over them hard? Melt the fuckers?

Or, we get some distance, chug the second potion, and over ride his own control of his zone and just fucking freeze his arms solid then snap them off. If we want to take the stupid huge risk.

>>28365988
He's under cover, and being shielded by his golem. He doesn't need to block anymore.

>>28365853
I think it's time for a snack. How far away are the statues we dropped on the ice slick? Have Siggy devour their animating essence.

Since his limbs are alchemical constructs, we should stop with the piercing attacks until we have a shot at his face.

>>28366092
Yeah, do it. Freeze that area, then walk around and sever his spine.

>>28366100

About as tough as the others, it'l ltake some serious hurt to bring down but you've manage to cut the link with his ring thank to your manaphage with a well placed headshot at the start of the battle.

Would you guys prefer if I offered >greentext choices? It worked pretty well with Mylen.

>>28366092
Wait, what about spikes filled with the liquid nitrogen? So they'll splash across his arms as he tries to block them? Can we do that?

>>28366172
>Would you guys prefer if I offered >greentext choices? It worked pretty well with Mylen.
Sure why not.

We're kinda bogged down with all the possibilities, might speed things up.

>>28366092
If we can freeze that fucking statue (it ain't alive) we can overwhelm Ahriman with Ice Spikes.

Freeze the golem, then blast him till he dies.

>>28366126
The arms are not invincible, our spikes can puncture plate, and they can't cover much of the body. Without that mobile cover he's wide open to maneuver tactics as it seems he's out of arrows.

>>28366159

The statues that tripepd o nthe ice have been completely totalled by Ahriman bombs, there's no essence to be found in them.

>>28366193

Will do, imagining things now

>>28366092
Okay, can you tell us if this is feasible?

Send a volley of cheap ice lances towards Ahriman. Once he determines their origin point, he'll likely charge forward with his golem providing cover.
He'll expect us to use ice to trip up the golem, so he'll have it rush over a bridge of shields. And since he'll expect that we'll use our manaphage ability to cause the golem to trip through the shield bridge, he'll jump off of it into the fog at us, trusting on his artificial arms and legs to protect his head and torso as he gets in melee range. Our opportunity is when he uses his golem as a stepping stone.
Since the ice cubes have more mass than the javelins but can be launched at the same speed, they should hit him and regardless of his armor, knock him back and out of the air, and then we can freeze him to crush his head with a big ice block.

>>28366159
Get on steam lol

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>>28366288

Feasible, but with a pretty high DC since your relying on him doing what yo uwant.

Here’s the options I’m giving you people, time to move this fight.

>Lure the High Inquisitor and give him the illusion of advantage as you close in for close combat, relying on the cloak of your shield to keep him guessing as you either…

A) Consume a part of your soul to end him quickly, your second trump card will see this over and done with (1d6)

B) burn through your reserves for an area of effects consisting of sliming over the ground, throw a barrage of spikes and then finish the fight once and for all by using your own body as a point of projection if he somehow manage to avoid all your traps (1d20)

>Maneuver and jump out of the balcony, forming your own set of platforms and forcing the high Inquisitor out of cover where your spells will have no obstructions

>Wait and see

>>28366204
The arms may not be invincible, but they seem to be pretty hard, and I'd expect them to be harder than plate given how paranoid Ahriman is, and the resources at his disposal.

And simply tryin to freeze the golem then switching to Ahriman invites am attack while we're trying to stop the golem.

>>28366395
By the first one, do you mean that we move towards Ahriman and take our fog bank with us?
Can we sense people and objects while they are within our fog?

>>28366513

Yep you can, it's yours and act as radar, al lyo uneed to do is enchant that little ability and your golden but you'l lalso lose the ability to see through it so that's the trade off.

>>28366395
Is it possible for us to hit the statue and freeze it with an ice bomb? Because without that thing he's wide open.

>>28366540
If it gives us perfect spatial sense (because the fog perfectly shapes around anything entering it) then we can lose our sight and be golden.

>>28366540
Both Siggy and Ahriman are in Focus now, right? If we get that close to Ahriman, would he be able to tell where in the fog we are because of our being in Focus?

Also, the way that Ahriman's knife cut through our spell; if we were to create a wall of ice, would a single strike from the knife be enough to disrupt the magic keeping the wall together?

>>28366577

If that's waht yo uwant, then yes ofcoruse you can, roll 1d20 and I'll write with that in mind.

>>28366608

Ahriman can sense you with Focus and pinpoint your position that way but it's still far from ideal compared to sight.

And yes, he can demolish an ice wall (spell) in a single long slice since the magic is tied to you and need magic to ''survive''

Rolled 20

>>28366644
C'mon...

>>28366644
Okay then.
Voting for the first option, type B.

>>28366685
FUCK YES

>>28366685
Siggy may just keep his limbs today

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>>28366685
Fuck YEAH!!!! Fire that son of a bitch as we circle around his cover and feed him a constant diet of ice spikes with a grenade chucked behind him for good measure!

Rolled 17

>>28366711
>>28366685

So B it is.

Also I'm sorry if my writing is lackluster, been having two consecutives days of terrible sleep and all the writing this week-end took a toll.

>>28366785
So option B with some modifications right?

>>28366816
damn it /tg/dice. Why are you rolling high tonight? You're supposed to only roll high once then give everyone shitty rolls for the rest of the night damn it. It's no fair when both the QM and Players get high rolls!

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>>28366816
Oh man, this is gonna be close! C'mon Siggy, ALL OF YOUR HATE INTO THIS!!!

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>>28366887

Seibah is so pretty

Finally I managed to roll high

>>28366905
Don't forget you got a 16 with Noscrim. You always seem to roll high for the bosses.

>>28366887
Indeed, Siggy needs his love, his anger, and all of his sorrow for this

>>28366905
So are we rolling for B, or was that roll you just made for our B? Or was that for Ahriman?

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>>28366940

When I roll, it's usually for the opposition or your companions

>>28366905
Red seibah best seibah

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>>28366925
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny24zPeQLks

See pic.

>>28366940
That was Ahriman.

>>28366905
She's only attractive when rejoicing. Wonder what her face looked like when she realized that her best friend NTRing Guenivere was going to cost her the country.

>>28366996
Was that part of the canon for the Anime? because as I understood it they stuck to the original mythology without the trapping's lain on by the french later on (eg: the Lancelot/Guinevere story)

>>28366973
Right, just wanted to be sure that we're fucked.

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>>28366996
>>28366978

Worst taste.

She's the prettiest when she's in love

>>28366973
Right then. Are we rolling now, or are we going to post pointlessly for another 20 minutes?
As I understood it, this roll >>28366685
Was just for freezing the golem.

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>>28367099
Can't handle the Umu~

>>28367100

The crit was for option B and I'm writing as we speak.

>>28367100
>>28367128
it just includes freezing the golem in there.

>>28367055
Canon for F/Z. Lancelot wanted to apologize to Arthur for being an utter tool.

Unfortunately, he's still an utter tool, and a real world fictional character too.

>>28367099
Please. Worst taste is wormslut.

>>28366996
She okay'd it because they were in love.

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>>28367196
Best taste is Rin.

>>28367229
She did okay it, and lost everything. The despair must have been delicious.

>>28367293
This guy gets it.

>>28367316
Ehn, give me a strong girl capable of standing up for herself while not being cold and distant and I'm pretty much sold. So it's hard to pick just one girl from that series.

>>28367364
She isn't cold and distant in the end though. And she's always a big help in all the routes.

>>28367386
Exactly my point, as I said, it's hard to choose any one girl from that particular setting.

>>28367364
Well okay, Illya is Best Girl, but we all know how that goes.

>>28367415
I just love how she always helps out. If it wasn't for her Shirou would have died before the story even started. And she was crucial to his victory in all routes. The Azoth Dagger, Prana Transfers, and holding off Dark Sakura with the Jewel Sword...

Without her he'd have died in each route for sure. Behind every good man is great woman they say, and Rin's great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9NSQIV15uI

Keeping your distance is only going to turn this fight into an unending deadlock; battle between powerful mages always consist of trying to one up and predict the movement of your foe and it can go on and on if both persons happen to have strong reserves of energy. You’ve been tapping deep into the depth of this invisible, almost unreachable lake of brilliant power and the color of your veins has changed into something a bit more vibrant and brilliant, transforming your skin and no doubt giving your entire body a certain otherworldly look that only truly belong on battle wizard.

People just like you.

You’ve got to end this fight fast, you can already hear another set of statues making their way up the stairs and if they join with him, the resulting phalanx will make any strike near pointless and he’d have the advantage of stalling for time even more.

>’’Work cut out for ya’’

As he stand right now, Ahriman right arms is much, much more damaged than his left and he has changed his sword arm accordingly, your shower of needles was not in vain as the better part of the wave dug into his shoulder and carved a wound big enough to touch the bones, if he has any anyway and the uncovered part of his torso was pierced by the rest, blood slowly trickle down visibly in a small puddle while he watch your fog and concentrate on your projection of power, the only way he can reliably pinpoint your position.

‘’Idealist like you are a cancer for humanity as a whole…’’

Ahriman speak, grumbling and moving out of his cover as you walk closer, keeping a hand on the shoulder of the obviously elite statue.

And now to wait for awesome

‘’…humanity constant need of useless individualisms is the very thing allowing these monsters to keep on going and inflict defeats upon us time and again. A single culture, a single ideal and a single people is what this world need more than anything, men and women need to grow strong together to get rid of these… urges’’

Spoken with a voice full of bitter hatred and venom, Ahriman bring his dagger closer and step to the side of the statue that relaxes and changes position, waiting for your slow walk and mist to engulf them, you’ve already lost sight of the duo in favor of changing the very particles of your blanket, any large movement and creatures perturbing its sanctity will be left like you do magic and all the while, the soil around you grow slimy, tricky while snow fall from your body as you start using every point imaginable as a possible area of projection, you are fully intent to create and jab a spear into his guts if needed and crystals of ice already sprout across your skin to obey this sentiment…

…and then a special gift prepared in earnest fly out and shatters, prompting the high Inquisitor to charge forward but soon goes past his bodyguard as the cold, cold water ice over one of its ankle, the élan sending it falling and you find yourself actually forced to spot feeding that successful trap with magic as it became increasingly harder to maintain, as if you were fighting a real will and body.
However this marks the truly first engagement between you and Ahriman.

Battle is joined.

Anticipating your trap, the young man is walking on shields and you force him aground by a splatter of manaphage, unfortunately he also has the foresight of jumping; which you counter with an immediate and deadly set of spikes coming from him in all possible directions, but his mechanical limbs take the brunt of the damages as his lunges transform in a forward roll, twisting his knife to the side and forcing you to step back to avoid the poisons, the holy mage is overloading his body with the healing energy of Holy meaning that the projectiles successful enough to pierce his body are rendered useless as his formidable will conquer your imposed reality.

Since your chockfull off of magic, knowing where you are isn’t difficult and it's exactly what you want.
But you don’t move; Ahriman Edan speed and reflexes are prodigious, the slime on the ground is sliced as he force his battered body upright, taking the momentum of his roll and transforming it into a dash, barely held by the regenerating slime, closing in on you blindly, trusting the instinct of magic and forcing his damaged limb with the artefact around his neck for a vicious and decisive stab.
The three next seconds are filled with very different sounds.

First is a blade plunging is something spongy.

And then come the telltale sounds of something sharp piercing a body, cruel metal goring meat.

‘’Guh…gah!’’

You’ve had a little something special for this rude bastard, the pure raw hatred you feel for this man, this… anathema of yours, a person just as skilled as you were yet believing in everything you hated, everything that caused you the greatest of grief and losses and who had the gals, the goddamn guts to force you to torture your lover…

The most successful plans are simple: the slime you put on the ground changed into something slick and you slide backward while forming a body right as he was jumping to get you, hid dagger plunged right in the heart of your decoy and you lunged forward, forming a long set of blades protruding from your fists, moving much too fast for him to react, beside, his blade was caught in slime…and you outranged his knife.

And plunged your newly formed crystals blade into his side and under his levered arm while summoning a projectile for the head…

Unfortunately his overcharged body meant that shock was an impossibility but survival become the next objective and in pure panic, the young man summed shields and send them charging in a wide arc all around his body and scoping down in the process, breaking your blades, dodging the spike and scrapping out the slime as he jumped out of the balcony and into a new platform, dripping an ample, insane amount of blood and unable to pull out the blades as adrenaline and fear force him to retreat back at the side of his statue… now joined by 6 others that form a line in front of the duo as you recover from your spells.
‘’Ahahaha..Haha’’

You feel a strong loss of power after the insane amount of juices you poured into this attack but then, what happen next is beyond imagination.

‘’Magnificent mister Shieffer, truly magni-gu!?’’

The distinct, disgusting sound of metal piercing skin resonates in the cathedral, interrupted the blood filled speech of the albino.
His elite statue just stabbed him in the guts.

>What do you do? I’m taking a little 20 break here, there’s not much option given the protective line but you’ve been successful in the boss fight!

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>>28368216
>His elite statue just stabbed him in the guts.

>>28368216
Wait.......he just got stabbed his statue?
Try for double tap and hit him in the head. We want to confirm this kill

>>28368216
"The irony of this turn of events is piercing. Oh, too soon? Well then, die knowing this: I kissed the demon lord. Twice."

Now get that knife.

>>28368216
Take this opportunity to send an ice javelin straight into Ahriman's head while a slime familiar is used like a goopy hookshot to grab Ahriman's knife and bring it back to our hand.

Take full advantage of this odd turn of events.

>>28368301
Nyet. Say nothing. No need to give in to petty vindication.

Don't fuck it up by giving him the resolve for a second win.

>>28368404
This. Double Tap this son of a fucking bitch and grab the knive. Don't forget to sever an arm and eat all it's magic before we imbed the knife in it. After the headshot we gloat.

I bet he put the soul of a "heretic" in that one, like an Archo-Flaggelant. Good thing we severed his connection.

"So sad and deluded, if only you could have understood Ahriman, if only."

>>28368301

Easier said than done to get it given the distance that seperate you, there's 6 other statues lined up and protecting the mboth... of coruse the cohesion has fallen somewhat, but you are seperated by a solid 5 meters.

>>28368696
Still worth trying to grab it. Run towards them and once we're within 2 meters hit the closest ones with ice pillar uppercuts. We only need them off balance long enough to sever the knife-holding hand.

>>28368696
Do we have a line of sight on the knife?

Also, can we use tendrils of slime to eat the statues from a distance?

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>>28368826

I'll go with this in mind

Dropping my final bomb of the arc, oh this is going to be good

>>28368906
Goddammit! Wata, you've killed us all!

>>28368906
Ok, Siggy is either losing a limb or getting captured by someone (wasn't there a Fallen Maiden around here we have run into yet?)

>>28368906
Welp we're fucked. Damn and I even managed to land a 20.

I just know that elite statue has someone's soul inside it (why we had to try harder to keep it pinned). I wonder whose it is...

>>28368959
Hey man you had a chance to suggest an action.

>>28368995
No, it was an agent. We assumed it meant one of the Maiden.

>>28368906
Can I at least know why we're going with the charging in option, which only 1 person suggested, instead of the distant hookshot idea, which had at least 2 people suggest?

>>28369084
Agent is a very general term. It can mean anything from a low level flunkey to a full on creme de la creme best she fucking has (i.e. A Fallen).

>>28369084
>Hey man you had a chance to suggest an action.
I DID suggest an action, right here >>28368404
with a second right here >>28368679
So don't give me that shit about me not suggesting anything.

>>28369084
Ah ok, so it looks like Siggy just has to worry about limb loss and someone else capturing him.
No fallen maiden boss rush.....yet

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>>28368906

No, really, I'm looking over the posts, and I'm not seeing anything close to a deadlock.
3 to kill Ahriman from a distance:
>>28368289
>>28368404
>>28368679
2 of which are for using a slime hookshot to get the knife.

1 to get in close to get the knife:
>>28368301

>>28369104
Right, but when we asked for clarificaton INH reiterated that there was an agent in camp.

>>28369119
My mistake Anon. In this case we blame INH's sense of drama.

>>28369218
I assume he's going this route enables him to more effectively drop his bomb. It shouldn't fuck us over in any way long term but he is dropping something.

Sorry for jumping the gun on the assault at the beginning guys. Really should have figured this guy had gone as Borg as possible.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmNDC20Gb2w

The total incomprehension of this sigh leave you momentarily disturbed; the puppets also fidgets and twitches as the cohesion of the line start whittling away, the statue abandon its grip upon the haft of the spears and this snap you out; seeing Ahriman grip losing its edges to three grievous, mortal wounds you abandon all idea of keeping your fog gate and start casting a barrage of spike that lands squarely into the enduring statues, digging into the silhouettes of stones without much effects, but at least you managed to decapitate two of them but the distance you need to cover is simply too much; the traitor flitch the knife and jump out of the balcony as what remains of the defensive crumple away, some of your projectile pierce through the weapons and overall, as you close the distance with the dying High Inquisitor, what remains of these 6 statues is nothing more than twitching lifeless puppet animated by the energy of despair.

That statue…

You’ve landed a successful hit on her ankle but there’s no trace of damage and now it’s holding the Knife of Induced Death in its hand, body brimming with magical energy as it stand on holy platform hanging high, high above the ground, a surface of 2 meters would make breaking the shield impossible.

But then it reach for its neck, the battle dress and armor conceal a strange amulet with a bright, brilliant ruby that suddenly flare up, illuminated it’s body and covering in what appear to be thick shadow akin to smoke, clinging to its body and morphing…

No, not morphing.

It’s removing an illusion.

Where there was once a bald head hidden in plate come forth a cascading jet of blond hair, where the battledress continued into heavy plates came the clothes of Inquisitors and finally, where the face showed a completely featureless visage, a wicked smile, scarred female looked at you – and you alone- with all the triumph of a strategist accomplishing his master stroke

‘’Y-you!’’

Ahriman is the first to bark, for your part, your throat became dry and your hands are trying to dig tombs into the handrail.

‘’I SENT YOU ON THAT FUCKING BOAT’’

He screams, not minding the following vomit of blood, not even taking any kind of hostile act toward you, his gaping wounds too much for his body natural healing prowess to heal; the greatest disadvantage with Holy was that healing oneself is much, much harder and energy intensive than doing it to others, hence, why healers always come in pair at the very least.

‘’So you say, but you took all of my information to heart and set out to kill this young man… you’ve been doing quite well for yourself, Siegfried’’

‘’Ahahah… three! Three traitors in the heart of the Church itself!’’

You can’t even utter her name, such is your rage, and such is your astonishment.

‘’Let’s just say this is payback for killing Wilmarina. Thank for the fight, I’ve learned quite a bit’’

The scared foe palm her amulet and the shadows attached to her body starts engulfing her entire form, eating away at her entire elf and slowly disappearing into nothingness. Her eyes flash red

She… she was the agent of the Demon Lord.

What do you do?

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>>28368216
Though I must ask. If he hates what we are so damn much, why does he keep praising us for our mystical skills? Is he in awe of our inventiveness or something? Seems he should be mocking us for failing despite our ingenuity.

Or is that another ploy, to reduce our hate boner which he knows gives "idealists" like us a power boost?

>>28369388
Is she still teleporting out? Because she's worth a piece of soul to waste.

Also wow, I thought that was her.

>>28369388
GOD-FUCKING-DAMMIT!
Deruella now has the knife! FUCK!
Daiyu won't be able to stand against her daughter now.

Just fucking kill Ahriman now, and get out of here. This has been enough of a clusterfuck already.

>>28369388
Well Crap.
Should we soul blast for a kill shot or stick to a regular shot? We may want to keep that card up our sleeves for a later match

>>28369495
If she's still there, soul shot. It'll be worth it to kill her and get the knife to keep it from falling into Deruella's hands.

>>28369473

She's more or less inbetween the real world and this enclosed one, youcan try but, honestly, your chance of sucess are very slim, that amulet she got was given to her by Deruella, you can guess how potent and effective it is.

>>28369388
>and slowly disappearing into nothingness
This implies that the teleport hasn't completed yet.
Is this what you wanted to imply or is this a mistake on your part due to a translation error?

Because if she's still here, then cut a fucking piece of our soul to fuel a magic shot to kill her now.

Rolled 81 + 15

>>28369567

If you guys really want to do this, then roll 1d100

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>>28369388
Oh fuck that was Deruella's agent!? I didn't get enough info to place it, which Fallen is she? Try and hookshot that knife, now!

"What do you people want!? Tell me! Why the hell are you interfering!?"

>>28369588
I don't. Deruella already knows about our manaphage, let's not reveal this trump card yet. We'll use it on her, must keep her in the dark about it. It's an instakill, she must not know we have it!

>>28369567
It's not worth it man, there's almost no chance of making the hit.

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>>28369611

Belveder is not a fallen prsay, but the newest agent of Deruella.

What do yo uthink happened after that arc in the catfolk as she was alone in the countryside of Zipangu?

>>28369611
She isn't one of the Fallen, just Deruella's agent here.

Rolled 27

>>28369588
Fuck the others, I'm rolling.

Rolled 80

>>28369588

>>28369588
Beating a 96 would be near impossible with our luck.

>>28369388
Ugh
I can't even be bothered to deal with this.

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>>28369657
Ok... So now she's suffered a fate worse than death...

Shit... Now her death will have a major kind of sadness to it... We're only freeing her in ending her. The source of our pain and hate... Died already, replaced by this... Thing.

Man, the feels man, you're good.

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>>28369709

You guys choose the girl over the knife, as much as I want to be fair there just wasn't enough advantage for you guys to actually get it in this fight.

I seriously hope you don't feel cheated, this is a descision you guys made a few weeks ago with Mother Earth.

>>28368404
>>28368679
Seconded.

The girl doesn't matter. Double tap Ahriman, >>28369517
Seconding this. Fucker dies now. No word, kill her, or if we HAVE to make a choice.

Destroy the knife. If we can do that without soul shotting it, then do it, but otherwise, soul-shot kill her (or if we're not sure that'll work, soul-shot destroy the knife).

Druella can't be allowed to keep it. It either stays in this place, comes with us, or it's not going anywhere.

>>28369530
What about the Knife? Can we blast the fucking knife? We really can't let it fall into Druella's hands

>>28369752
What about the slime hookshot we wanted to try and had more votes, instead of the charge that obviously wouldn't have worked?

>>28369708
Can't win them all unfortunately.
Least we got the kill shot on the inquisitor

>>28369798

Both wouldn't have worked, let me explain to you what the Hookshot would have done.

Belvedere is much, much closer to Ahriman than yo uwere and the slime shot wouldn't have been able to travel faster than her arm, she'd have used her elbow to block your shot and/or move behind the puppet to break the line or,. quit simply, hold her ground or overpower your magic with hers by reinforcing her body with Holy.

>>28369789
Actually that's interesting, could a soul shot damage the knife? Make it useless to them for a while (if not permanently)

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>>28369752
Oh well, all I gotta say is, since we saved Leila in doing this, we had fucking BETTER get Radiance out of that blade.

It's why I chose her over the knife to be honest. The Embodiment of motherfucking "Faith" is one HELL of an asset. That concept trumps most any other.

Again I say, keep the whole Soul Blast secret. Don't matter if she has the knife if she's a statue before she can fucking swing it!

>>28369752
>I seriously hope you don't feel cheated
If we had tried the thing with firing a slime familiar to get the knife and it had failed due to dice, instead of what you railroaded us into, no, I wouldn't feel cheated.

As it is, I would like an explanation on why you chose the unpopular action.

>>28369856

Soulshot is your best chance to wreck the knife.

The same roll apply to hotting it tough, since it's a pretty small target.

>>28369853
Ok how in the fuck can she even USE holy after being corrupted? I mean, shouldn't that be impossible?

Oh wait, charm spells... Fuck!

>>28369856
Again, let's go for it.

We don't get the knife? Neither does she.

Fuck her and the horse she rode in on.

>>28369877
He didn't rail road us. Shut it. I certainly don't feel cheated provided we get a roll on destroying the thing rather than letting her have it. (unless the phase spell is effecting it too?_

>>28369859
Crap, forgot she could just use it.
Glare angrily and kill shot Ahriman.
Save soul shot for later

>>28369893

She's not a full Succubus yet, there's a period of time required to change the body properly AND Deruella wanted her in the Church as an infiltrator, if anyone can manipulate Corruption to allow that, it's the lilim rebelled against her mother.

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>>28369890
LET'S DO THIS

>>28369752
Ugghh, whatever dude, we made that choice because it wad girl vs knife. Not girl vs knife falling into wrong hands.

I'm just having a hard time believing a guy you've been harping on about as naximum shadowrun paranoia let himself get duped zo easily.

>>28369907
>>28369890
Sweet, can someone roll for me? I'm an idiot and don't know how to roll.
It's just dice in the email field right?

Rolled 50

>>28369890
Fine then.

>>28369923
Once again, her death is now tragic. She was a bitch, and we wanted her dead, but not like this...

To be turned into, this... Even she deserved better. At least an ambush by us.

>>28369968
Belvedere had a record. She never faltered, unlike Siggy. She did it all, killed without hesitation, used holy, prayed everyday, gave pointed lectures on how his views were best views...

He fucked up, for good reason sadly for him.

>>28369856
Wouldn't work, the knife is going with her on the way out. Both Siggy and Beldevere have completed their objectives, and I for one think keeping Leila is a fair trade.

>>28369859
Absolutely this. Just... keep in mind what INH has been saying about Leila and Lysta's circumstances.

>>28369968

I've always explained the events after they happened, do you seriously think I won'T d othat same once things calm down?

And who else BUT the demons would want the knife if you can't get it? Sure the church want to keep it, but deruella faction is out there and Mother Earth said that she's been hastening her plans and that an agent was most likely in the camp.

>>28369978
Again I say do NOT GIVE HER ANYMORE INFO YOU IDIOTS!!!

We MUST save our last trump card! It may be our only hope of killing her without sacrificing anyone! Think ahead morons!

>>28370031
Got a point there. Unless we could kill her with it, then no point.

>>28370018
The odds are p much stacked against us snd you give the bad guys the one hit kill wep

K dude I just don't know anymore

>>28370078
We have one too y'know. The Soul Blast violates the laws of magic and turns the target into a fucking Ice Statue... INSTANTLY!

So even if they try and use the knife, we Soul Blast and Freeze them.

Ever see FMA: Brotherhood? Remember how Mustang Killed Lust? It'd be like that. Mustang won, she lost, her finger just millimeters from his face. Got it?

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>>28370078

I never once claimed it'll be easy.

Seem the consensus is to not soulshot, I'll proceed to write now, we've still got some more fights but nothing clsoe to that 3 days long fight.

Rolled 73

What are we rolling

>>28370031
Well that's actually a good point. Does the Soul blast actually look any different than a normal one? If not then she won't know on a miss but will know if it hits. If it does then she knows either way.

>>28370141
Nothing. We don't want to blow our shot on something unlikely to work.

>>28370141
Nothing anymore, wanna keep our cards hidden for the next fight.
(Now to learn how to roll)

>>28370144
It looked kinda freaky when we fired it in the chapel. Like a cascade of Ice crystals that merged on a body that then was instantly converted into a statue.

She's got a Lore check, a good one. She knows about the Yuki-onna and their arts. She'd see the similarity and put it all together.

"Hahahaha! So I guess he can do as they do! Good to know. Best not EVER get within' 2 meters of him if he's feeling desperate. Don't want to end up a statue after all."

>>28370144

It look very different, it's like a ball of crystal travelingin the air transforming everything it some in contact with to ice/more crystal while shedding quartzs.

It's very, very unique.

>>28370003
Looks to me like Ahriman discounted Beldevere because he saw her depart. But she's got an epic tier disguise artifact, so what he saw wasn't what was there. Really, her showing up is just as unlikely as Siggy showing up, but his paranoia sensor was already ringing for Siggy.

Let this be a leson to all Shadowrunners out there: you can be ckmpletely prepared for your target, but nothing can prepare you for outside context problems.

>>28370213
Ok, good to know (dice test)

>>28370125
At this point I don't know why I'm still posting in this.

Feels cheap. For a bunch of reasons as pointed out before

>>28370258
It was pointed out awhile back we basically had to pick between the knife or people. The choice was made awhile ago. Stop complaining about it. I know we hate losing but we can't win everything.

>>28370125
Oh shit. INH, had we chosen to take the knife, would Beldevere be escaping with a newly corrupted Leila right now?

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>>28370236
Indeed. Paranoia must know limits. For if it did not, you could not function as you would kill anything that entered within a 50 meter radius all day erry' day.

The paranoia must thus be tuned, buy you will never get it "totally" right. Unless you had the gift of foresight.

Ahriman didn't have a Monado, thus he was vulnerable to this play.

>>28370258
Eh we knew the knife would almost impossible if we went today anyway. Was a bonus objective at this point

>>28370311
>Beldevere be escaping with a newly corrupted Leila right now
That merc with the Corruption dart was pretty well timed, wasn't he? Very good at stealth; probably has PC levels of Rogue.

If we hadn't been with Leila, she almost certainly would have been hit.

Suspicious, isn't it?

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>>28370258

I kept with the primary choices you guys made.

Let's see what we've gained from this arc.

A very talented purifier ally with amazing synchronisation with the angel of our sword.

An extremely proeficcient alchemist specialised in golem engineering and medicine.

Emeth got upgraded with the best possible limbs and very high quality runes.

An artefact that will save the Demon Lord.

What we lost.

The Knife of Induced Death
Mylen little finger (will be healed shortly)

>>28370311

Depend, honestly, events would have been very different. Saving Leila would have been jsut as hard as getting the knife today.

>>28370350

Quite.

>>28370355
>An artefact that will save the Demon Lord.
What was this? I can't remember what this was.
Not this enclosed world artifact, is it? Ismael seemed really unwilling to let go of it.

>>28370379

Mother Earth gave it to you, granted this is something that would have been acquired pretty much for certain but I had to mention it.

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>>28370379
I believe we got a potion. I'm a little foggy as well

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>>28370311
Oh... Oh SHIT! WOW we dodged a bullet on that one! I would have really hated to put Fallen Leila down. Even if she doesn't end up in our bed I mean fuck she's suffered so much...

I can only rejoice so hard people.

Also, INH, why is Sora no Otoshimono not delivering for me? I've been watching the anime and they are setting it up but I have yet to see some real hardcore balls to the wall SUFFERING I was expecting.

Then again, I am just watching the anime. So it could be I ought read the Manga. Will that deliver?

>>28370434

You need to read the manga.

It start off well with full of comedy but then...

>>28370355
Hey, can Ithel make those bombs that Ahriman was throwing, if she has enough materials and prep time?

Even better to use against someone with the Knife would be lots and lots of bombs. If they've got a magic shield? Shoot them with manaphage ice javelin with a bomb following right behind it.

If they're nice enough to be in a building for us, use artillery to bring the roof down on them instead of us wading through whatever traps they have.
10 tons of falling stone slabs are much harder to stop than a single mage's volley, even if they're a demigod like us.

>>28370466
>Hey, can Ithel make those bombs that Ahriman was throwing, if she has enough materials and prep time?

Yes. Anyway writing now, maybe my last or second to last answer

>>28370350
That's what I was thinking. She'd also be taking the sword and Lysta's soul with her.

I think, all think we came out ahead.

>>28370355
Don't forget, Siggy lost some SAN points there.

>>28370434
That series pretends to be silly and ecchi. The serious moments are CRUSHING. Read the manga. Also, check out Watashi no Messiah-sama for an inverted drama/ecchi relationdhip.

>>28370355
Yea except that single knife can kill everything on that list.

We're not even back home yet too.

>>28370482
>Yes
Time for Siggy to practice his throwing arm.

>>28370511

He's an amazing shot with a bow...

How about taping them to an arrow and letting loose?

hint

>>28370461
Ok then. You have pointed me in the direction of REJOICE before (again, THANK YOU, for telling me about Muv-Luv. Fucking. Awesome. Probably would never have heard about it if not for you.)

Let's hope it delivers again. (Calling it though, White Haired Glasses guy asks too many questions. He'd a goner. Too bad, in watching the anime, I liked him the most).

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>>28370536

You should read Rewrite for some rejoicing.

Take some time to get there but once you get in...

Amazing ost too

>>28370523
>put bombs on arrows
They can be made that compact? I wasn't aware that the alchemical compounds needed for that kind of efficient explosive were available.

I mean, I thought the bombs that Ahriman was using were about the size of a bowling ball, with maybe the explosive power of two or three hand-grenades.
To really be effective, it would have to be as strong as modern C-4, especially since the addition of an explosive completely wrecks the aerodynamics of an arrow despite what Predator would have you believe.

>>28370637

Oh well I was speaking out of my ass a bit, since these bombs are made by alchemsit but go into the field of magitek, I went a bit gungho.

As you can guess I'm not a physic major.

>>28370664
That's fine, you have magitek and a whole new type of energy in magic to explain how powerful the explosives are.

Just that, now that we know how strong they are, we're going to expect to be able to use them to our advantage.

>>28370745

Of course.

Now that Ithel is a full fledged main character, it'll open some options

>>28370572
Will do. Hope I get it before the TPP kicks in. It'll kill this story if it gets signed and they see it. Which I hope it does not.

I LOVE this story. This is shaping up to be the deconstruction I hoped it to be. Glorious, bout time someone handed the hentai genre a rusty chainsaw...

>>28370011
Radiance just needs to be convinced that she is needed, here and now, in the "real" world. She may have "died", but that means nothing. To achieve a true happy end now, she must once again walk this Earth. She must walk among us once again. Show them all the power she embodies...

A hero gives people what they need. We need her now...

>>28371054
There's more to it than that. Read INH's post-thread banter regarding Lysta's situation again (can't point out which thread I'm afraid, I don't recall myself), but he pretty well spelled out what bringing Lysta out will cost. I won't say it because OBVIOUS SPOILERS AND META KNOWLEDGE but it's not just a matter of convincing Lysta.

>>28371131
Worst case, it's the "Avatar of Khaine" scenario. Best case is that all she needs is a fuckton of mojo and hey, we have that in the fluffy tail department.

Worst case? Need a willing sacrifice. No shortage of those when SHTF. Just saying...

>>28371202
Though again, must say, not like this is alien to them. "You cannot ask that which is given freely" and all.

>>28371054
Damn right we need her. What's better than one angel? Two of em. Plus she owes us a song.

>>28371252
Indeed. We'll need her in this world to win. Fuck the knife, get her in this and we can win. Concepts.... Hard to win against them. Love and Faith vs. Strife? I'm putting all my money on the former...

>>28371307
Latter has an entire strike team of assault angels and a holy nuke.
It won't be that easy.

We need to take out Deruella first, because she'll be waiting for us to be weakened after fighting Orion to strike at us.
Deruella defeated means that Daiyu can finish healing up and be of assistance.

>>28371331
I don't think we'll have that option. There's already a war with the Church and the angels will make their move soon. Deruella will be waiting and sitting in the background.

>>28371354
No, I don't think Deruella will wait, especially with her hands on that knife. She's going to go straight for Daiyu right now, while her mother's defenses are weakened.

We can't afford to lose the Demon Lord as an ally.

‘’Amulet of shadow…’’

>’’Oh shit’’

As you watch the disappearing blonde, her silhouette concealed by this invasive dark and her body turning more and more transparent, flashes of events come one after another in your mind eye, you remember the fight, the Yukiwarashi pierced by the sword of that Inquisitor and then, several years later, Sylphis lying in a pool of her own blood in a dark alley of the Rahall capital, left to die of Holy poisoning and only saved thank to the Beast.

Your soul burn bright, filling you with vitality and bristling with incomparable, incommensurable hatred; the mental clarity of Focus shatter as you start reaching for this river of unending energy, pure raw power while the Beast flee back into its lair…

…but you relent and she disappears, unable to spear as her mouth lose tangibility, the floating, scarred blonde soon disappear entirely from view and you change your view to Ahriman bleeding out like a pig, coughing out to avoid choking and putting the entirety of his magical talents into remaining alive, clinging to the very last even as his body paralyses.

‘I wanted… to offer human a path but now…urgh this war will be won by Angels or Monsters’’

He laugh as a spike start hovering above his head, his red gaze has nothing in common with that of the corrupted; his spirit is filled with convictions and beliefs as strong as yours.

‘’If I’m wrong… fine. But you, don’t you dare betray our race’’

These last words were spoken with strange clarity, no struggle for breath or coughing as he chokes on blood.

‘’These past days… were fun. You’ve got so much talents, only wish we could have had… a bit more mental joust’’

At the very least…

He’s not pleading for his life.

>>28371373
Not so sure about that. With something like that, it'd be pretty easy to just wait for the right moment to do the most damage. Why rush it?

You launch the spike and avert your gaze as it penetrate his white haired skull in the most disgusting sound imaginable, killing him promptly and efficiently.

Since he was the core holding together this world, your scenery melt away in white as the geometry meld together in some form of sphere, then disappear entirely as a dizzying pull snatch you away from this world, chocking you uncomfortably and giving you the impression of travelling an immense distance until…

--

.. you awake coughing, sitting on the ground with your back on something solid, your disorientation and feeling of imminent gloom make you jump up in earnest, field with pure raw adrenaline as the spinning world settled and the inside of the tent is filled with broken armors, you enter Focus in earnest as you hear and feel the battles beyond the tent, Emeth is nowhere in sight but you cross path with the now disguised Ismael whose now holding a common blade, likely picked from the ground.

‘’Your friends are holding, I won’t fight you, but I cannot help you either’’

As much as you wish to berate her, you can’t pass your nerve on the girl; she has her reasons, thus you bite your tongue to avoid insulting her and make for the exit, not before stopping for a better look.

First, near the entrance of the tent lie the dead body of an Inquisitor, his head snapped in an unnatural angle, there’s no other sign of struggle save for the circle where a proper battle is going on; the twenty odd number of Flaming Fist are holding fast, forming a potent barricade around the circle while the girls, huddled together, are forming a circle of their own with Ithel in the middle, protected by a golden rectangle, the girl has her hands on her ears and scooping down low, making herself as small as possible.

>>28371388
Because she's dying, but we hold the key to saving her and Daiyu will not be as weak as she is now.
This IS the right moment to do the most damage.

>>28371331
The order is Orion-->Deruella. Not saying that deviating from the plan is guaranteed to fail, but mother had a reason to point us at Orion first.

>>28371307
No amount of weapons or amazing people will help against Orion. He's a whole order of magnitude apart from anything we can bring to bear.

I think the descriptor used to explain him is "TYPE".

>>28371373
Daiyu is going to die of her sickness before Deruella comes anywhere near her. Deruella knows this.

There is also a good number of dead bodies, from red robes to regular soldiers; also two angels outside the fortress proper, on their knees and healing themselves up from very, very nasty wounds and from what you can see, none of the girls are wounded, Emeth is the most amazing sight as her body is glowing gold from the minuscule protective shield summoned around her entire body while Leila is breathing and sweating heavily, having most likely used a good chunk of her energy.

There seem to be a rare lull in the battle as both side look at each other for weakness.

…Nobody is suspecting you for now, what do you do?

>>28371427
Rush for the Armor.
We activate, come back here to bust our girls out, then make a run for the teleportation circle.

>>28371467
Not a bad idea.

>>28371427
>>28371467
Get Siggy in the robot.

>>28371427
Do all we can to help those we wish to defend, those we wish to survive this day! Burnout concerns can wait until later. Like I said, 5 minutes will be a miracle after this. Let's hope we don't have to make Aurnvidur Berserk. Don't want to accidentally gib a precious party member....

>>28371427
Chug the potion to regenerate our energy stores
>>28371467
Can we get to it?

>>28371559
He won't go berserk, Siggy will just die.

We grab the mech if we can. Then we make a fucking break for it. If we can grab a teleporty thing going on to get back to where we want to be? We take it, and we take it hard. We get the fuck out of dodge.

>>28371597
Not guaranteed but yet a possibility. Either way, I'm clocking out. RL limits me and I gotta get X hours of sleep.

Try not to die people. Get out of here and to relative safety ASAP. I do want the MC to live, despite the odds against it.

>>28371467
Time for Robot!

>>28371574
>Can we get to it?
Everyone seems to be concentrating on the fight, not on Siggy or the tent he's in.
It sounds possible.

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The armor is in the same place you remember, right in front of the command tent, placed in front of the circle itself where everyone is huddled together, the entire attention of the camp is right on them and thus… thus is you chance; rushing is all fine and good but you need to take it a little bit slower, the angels are the most likely to see you but both of them are engaged in deep healing which easily take tens of minutes, the raw energy of Holy submerged the entire area, thus your focus fit right in and you set out immediately, your clothes barely dirtied you run toward Arnvidur… and cross path with one of the Inquisitors.

‘’Sir! Your companions… explain this at once!’’

Seem like a sentry was actually posted nearby, likely a cause of Emeth recent murder, you give the man silence and he very quickly start changing his tune… and you shut him up promptly with a well-aimed spike; the poor sod had absolutely no chance since he kept up with you, right in the middle of your Sphere of Influence, the spike penetrated the back of his skull and killed him outright, you also uncork your last stimulants mid run and gulp it right when you cross eyes with the angels who, upon seeing you, immediately take off as once, materialized some kind of double-bladed polearm, your little stunt is now apparent and your interrupt break the lull… as Emeth charge forward and SHATTER the shields of the Inquisitors by literally shoulder charging it and Mylen take the opportunity for a sideway swing, the flamberge dig deep in two men and the circle break as others charge forward, stepping into the girls formation.

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‘’AWAY’’

You scream as you launch a barrage at your aerial foe, making the needed steps to jump into Arnvidur, your single minded charge however, bring inevitability; you hear the telltale sound of a crossbow atop the wooden battlement and a bolt dig into your shoulder and knock…

No it almost knock you out of your magical steps, the inanimate machine somehow moved its arm and swiped you rudely into its cockpit while the second angel strafed close enough to slice into the shields.

You’d be dead by now for sure.

Thankfully your much too worked up to feel any pain and while fresh blood fall down, you grab the bloody quartz and jam it into the socket.

You immediately feel INTENSELY dizzy, the world spin and spin and spin as the sense of loss, the raw power animating you disappear in a vital chunk, so much is the nausea that bile rise up your throat and you vomit your lunch into the pristine seat of the old dwarf.

‘’GADDAMIT SON’’

He bellow, probably awake and now swatting at the angels while the soldiers start panicking at the sight.

‘’DON’T KILL YESELF NOW WE IN FOR A WIIIIIILD RIDE’’

>Monster girl quest -91- over

>>28371871
Mylen and Leila will probably scold us later for getting hit, but it was worth it to get in the cockpit.

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God damn that fight with Ahriman was unbelievable I think this was the msot intense week-end of questing I ever did.

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Also you guys pretty much murdered the personification of HUMANITY, FUCK YEAH.

hope ya feel proud.

>>28372016
I do, HFY got really old years ago.

>>28371976
He didn't really come off as HFY at all. He didn't seem to take pleasure in the superiority of humans, just coldly want to kill.

Still, he's dead now, and Siggy's got a date with an angel. And a mindfucked kitsune, and a lizardgirl, and a terminally ill demon MILF.

Goddamn, Siggy never gets a break. At least seeing Blestia will be nice.

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>>28372211

Gotta suffer for the harem.

Also, i've been thinking of starting the prequel this sunday now that thic arc is over, I think the time is right to make it happen now.

>>28372238
Go for it, but try to run a short thread on Friday wrapping this up. This isn't a bad stopping place, but it's not a great long term one. Just get Siggy back to Zipangu.

>>28372297

I'll think about it, might be wise to do that too

>>28372016
No, he was only a facet. And a weak one, at that.
He did not understand what it means to achieve true victory.

The fact that he lost, proves he was unfit to be the personification of HFY.

>>28372729
Siggy is HFY in this story. Edan cast aside emotion. Emotion is what makes humanity great. Burning passion and hate, defying fate, all that jazz.

>>28371373
She won't go straight for her. Deruella does love her mum. Thinks she pussed out yes but still doesn't want to kill her, just wants to show how her "old" ideals weren't wrong and were achievable. She wants fucking in the streets, and she's working for that end.

So yeah, the knife is for us and Orion. Daiyu is, for her, counted for dying from "natural" causes and as a trump card if mommy decides to kill her. She doesn't want that, but she'll do it if it comes down to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enyipxV6ds0

Also, this is how I see Deruella dying. Soul Blast at the last minute, that knife just in front of Siggy's face, bitch not seeing that one coming. It'll be great!

>>28376347
>Emotion is what makes humanity great
Even animals have emotions; they're nothing special.
No, what makes Humanity great is our ability to assimilate, to not just enslave or make into servitors, for even ants can do that, but to forge a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts.
We did it to Cro-Magnon, we did it to the Neanderthal, and we shall do it to the Monstergirl.

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>>28376604
Not really. An animal does have feelings and whatnot, but nothing I'd consider true emotion. They are completely governed by instinct above all.

The dog may protect you, the cat may nuzzle you. But why? Because you are their food and water source, and being petted feels good. They like that, as instinct tells them it shouldn't be this easy but you make it so.

Humans can defy instinct, even the strongest one, self preservation, all on the basis of mere emotion. We can even switch off the limiters, you know, the ones that keep you from lifting a truck because you'd break your bones or tear your muscles to pieces if ya did. An animal may sacrifice itself for thee sake of its children, but that's only because instinct says preserving their genetic code takes absolute precedence.

Because of emotions, conviction, ect. Mankind can defy the limits imposed upon it by nature and instinct. Other "animals" can't do that. Nor do they feel as hard as we do.

"Love" and "hate" are the domain of sentient beings. They are what elevate us above the other animals of this planet.

>>28376700
>Other "animals" can't do that. Nor do they feel as hard as we do.
Except that no, modern experiments and studies show that animals have emotions just as complex as humans.
What you consider true emotion? What a crock of shit; that's nothing more than opinion, conjecture, and simple egotism.
And defying instinct on the basis of emotion? That's just instinct as well; one that we have developed because humans are social animals that live in groups.

None of your points are valid or supported by science; they're nothing but egotistical arguments because you don't want to face the facts of how your emotions are no better than those of any other primate.

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>>28377030
Can you read the minds of animals? If you can do tell me how exactly they think. As I doubt you can that is still an opinion.

The realm of emotions is beyond science as we currently understand it unless you support the opinion that every last thing, from dreams to emotions, are nothing more than biological impulses, that life in all its splendor is nothing more than a collection of electrochemical impulses at best.

That is possible I'll grant you that, but I don't think it's the case. Sadly, there is no reference to which we can refer that would settle this debate once and for all. For now, both sides are essentially just an opinion. We have our arguments and can go on indefinitely, but we won't really solve anything. For now this is all squarely within the realm of philosophy. And there is no "right" or "wrong" argument in that realm. Only what sounds most convincing to you.

I am convinced we have something more than mere animals, you are convinced otherwise. Perhaps in a century or two we'll have this all figured out. Until then, we are both right. And also, both wrong.

>>28377340
>Can you read the minds of animals?
We can with electromagnetic scanning. We can know how they will react, what they will do, with this information.

Since we can not only predict emotions and thoughts in a person by scanning their brain, but also induce emotions by direct stimulation of the brain through electromagnetic fields, your romanticism falls apart pretty quickly.

Hold on to your outdated and debunked ways of thought if you want, but that still just makes you wrong.

>>28377411
If what you say is absolutely true then utter and complete "Mind Control" should already be a thing as we could just put current into the proper points and make anyone, no matter their background, ethnicity, desires, ect... do whatever the fuck a scientist wanted!

Can you do that? Can you into Mind Control? No? Then my point still stands.

>>28377441
And I'm not talking about motion and shit. I'm also talking emotions. Make them love someone they hate and truly, completely love them. For all the reasons they hated them no less and never suspect that some outside influence is doing this even if they were explicitly told before hand that yes, that is exactly what is going on with no fucking memory wipe.

I'd love to see you pull that one off, as that would actually prove me wrong. So get to it, publish that shit in an academic journal. Then tell me my thinking is outdated.

>>28377441
>>28377488
Yes, we can, and ethics is the thing preventing it from being further developed.
Just because we haven't developed the tools for full and complete control over the mind and emotions doesn't invalidate the underlying premise that emotions are nothing more than bioelectrochemical processes which can be disrupted and induced through outside means.

We already have a wealth of studies that show that emotions can be altered and distorted, as well as entire personalities altered, by neurochemical changes in the brain or by using electromagnetic fields.

As an example, NINDS paper #1635, "Right-Brain Activation and Emotion: An EEG Study of Patient with Left or Right Temporal Lobe Epilepsy."

>>28377585
Ethics holding it back my ass you just know someone's looking into it hardcore and they obviously haven't figured it out yet as I'm not kissing the ass of some random fuck I know nothing about at present. Nor am I suddenly changing my tune about my convictions without seeing anything funny about it.

I mean honestly, "Mind Control", what megalomaniac wouldn't want to be able to do that? We got quite a lot of those around, more than a few can into neuroscience, and they obviously haven't figured it out.

You can induce or distort emotions perhaps, but they have obviously failed to figure out full control. What's holding them back I wonder? I can tell you it sure as fuck ain't ethics.

>>28377645
So you're arguing that because full mind control hasn't been developed, because there are some neuroscientists that will not be deterred by ethical and moral restrictions, that emotions are more than their chemical processes?

That's the same as saying that because we haven't been able to develop a stable fusion reactor, that our understanding of particle physics is fundamentally flawed.

It's a work in progress, we are developing means of emotional and thought control, that's what marketing and advertisement researchers do, but just because we haven't gone straight for direct neural adjustment does not invalidate our understanding of emotions as chemical processes and nothing more.

>>28377856
I know it's possible to influence things, and I know all about marketing and such. And they never have been restricted by morals, just look up MK-ULTRA. That was a thing. But again until full complete mind control is a real thing there is still room for argumentation.

You are arguing for its inevitability, saying it is only a matter of time until it's real. What is your basis for this? At this point, a mere opinion backed up by what is circumstantial evidence at best.

The experiments you have mentioned or will mention to counter me I know for sure have not isolated Every. Single. Potential. Variable. Until you do that? Yeah, not real science, thus not complete indisputable proof. Hell there are variables we don't even have a way to account for yet. Paranormal Researchers are trying to figure those out but these are likewise works in progress. Look some of that shit up. Interesting shit science has yet to explain as they've isolated all known variables in many cases and STILL weird shit they can't explain happens.

Do not dare to think that modern science knows anything close to all that will be or is. Our understanding is still, despite all its progress over the millennia, extremely limited. You are suffering from a pretense of knowledge, you assert you know something you truly cannot. Show some humility in this.

>>28377983
We do not have to isolate every single variable. That's not science. Science is about reproducible results and predicting outcomes, not isolating every single variable.
All this does is show that you don't know what science really is, and bringing up old ideas which don't have reproducible results and without new evidence, when we have better models to explain events and predict outcomes is NOT a way to show you're worth the same consideration.

>>28377983
You know what you sound like? Just like Scientologists.
Because we don't know everything, because we can't isolate every variable, that there's still room for Xenu and Space DC-10's flying the souls of space aliens into the volcanoes of Earth.

>>28378058
>>28378078
When it comes to people you have to. There are just so many variables that come into play you can't really account for them all. Like I said, until we can Mind Control everyone there is still room for debate.

And this is dissolving into ad hominem attacks, the lowest form of argumentation. I never said any of you were wrong, just that there is a possibility you could be wrong about all this. And yet you assert I am absolutely wrong and have no idea what I'm talking about as a counter whereas I'm admitting you have your points but that your conclusions are not utterly indisputable. Honestly you're just making me look good here.

Open your minds people, consider the possibility you could be wrong despite your evidence. Can't trust everything you read. We all have an agenda, think about that one a bit.

>>28378296
This is not simply Ad Hominem, you are arguing that your beliefs need to be taken as seriously as what science has determined.
Are the models that science have currently infallible? No, they're not, and that is why they are constantly being refined.

But you are ARE saying that what science has said is not true, should be considered just as valid as what science believes to be currently true.
And that IS the same argument that Creationists, Scientologists, and UFO enthusiasts use to justify their beliefs and say that their beliefs are just as valid.

This is an attack on that method of argument, that simply because all variables cannot be ruled out, that because something has not been proven to not to exist, that it must exist.

We should not consider what has been disproven unless new evidence comes to light, which it has not.

>>28378489
I said it is a limited understanding. All we have is a theory as to why something happens happens at base. Does not invalidate it in the least, I just want to admit it has limitations and we are nowhere close to a full explanation of this reality.

Physics has not discovered/explained everything, neither has chemistry or biology or any other "science" you care to mention. We have a good idea perhaps, but we are still far from the absolute, indisputable truth. You only get that in mathematics.

Besides, I was only arguing that emotions are as of yet not truly understood by the scientific community. We still don't know "why" people end up feeling the way they do or "why" exactly they do certain things. We can draw generalities that prove right more often than not, but absolute prediction and the related absolute control are a long ways off and may indeed be utterly impossible. That was the crux of my argument.

>>28378614
>That was the crux of my argument.
No, the crux of your argument was that emotions are more than just biochemical processes.
As you stated here >>28377340
>The realm of emotions is beyond science as we currently understand it unless you support the opinion that every last thing, from dreams to emotions, are nothing more than biological impulses, that life in all its splendor is nothing more than a collection of electrochemical impulses at best.
>but I don't think it's the case

You argued that there is more to emotions than their base chemical and electrical components.

And again, you are trying to say that because we do not have a complete understanding of everything, that we should consider what has been disproven as a valid explanation.
THAT is the real crux of your argument.
Your argument of "because we do not know everything, we should consider this disproven idea of emotions" is the same as saying "because we do not understand everything about biology, we should consider the disproven ideas of biogensis and Lamarckian evolution as possibly valid".
You are confusing ad hominem with a valid refutation of both your position and the argument that you are using to defend your position.

>>28378720
I never said that we should consider what has been refuted, though I can see how you came to this misunderstanding. I am saying there is possibly more to it than what you say, mere biochemical impulses.

What causes the impulses exactly? Why do they result in this person but not the other? For example, why do some people from the exact same background have differences? Hell, why are twins shown the same levels of affection from both parents different from one another when it comes to personality, opinion, how they feel about certain things, ect? They have the same DNA, born at about the same time, look exactly alike, they tend to hang around the same people, and the biological variables between them are identical. So why the major differences?

We have not answered these questions. Until we have done so in a conclusive sense the opinion "there's more to it than biochemical impulses" is still valid.

>>28378814
And again, that comes back to you pushing an invalidated idea.

We know what causes the differences, and that there's so many variables and that they require such control in order to manipulate as to be uneconomical.

As for your example of twins, that's a blatant attempt to make an argument out of something wrong.
Of course the twins will be slightly different. They've experienced slight differences in exposure to electromagnetic fields, cosmic radiation, temperature differences, gravitation fields (however slight), the fact that they have different names, that one stands to the right of a person while the other stands to the left, and that they can't inhabit the same locations in time and space simultaneously.

First you say that we can't be sure of anything because we can't know everything, and then you go on to argue with an example that ignores the plethora of variables involved which results in differences.

That's why I say your argument is flawed and you're only bringing up invalidated models without new evidence to support them.

>>28378972
We'll be at this forever it seems. Yes, those variables have to be taken into account. But you still can't tell me EXACTLY what makes a person the way they are. I can't give you a custom embryo with the DNA tuned to your liking and you turn around and make it into your "ideal" being by adding in the correct amounts of radiation, affection, temperature difference, ect. In other words, you are unable to say without any chance of being wrong "Of course he punched Bob, he got X amount of Cosmic Radiation at Y time when the Earth's magnetic field was at Z strength blah blah blah when Bob insinuated he was fucking his sister."

Until you can do that, you still have but a mere opinion. An opinion backed up with some evidence perhaps, but still an opinion. Again, the evidence that you are completely right will be when you or someone else figures out Mind Control or Absolute Prediction of Future Behavior. Until then, this debate will go on forever.

>>28379093
No, it won't go on forever, because it's not an opinion, it's a scientific model. What YOU have is an opinion, and model, theories, and laws have the weight of reproducible results and predictable outcomes behind them.

That is what science is for, that is what science provides, and your inability to understand or admit to the differences between opinions and scientifically backed models shows that your argument IS wrong.

This isn't about one opinion contrasted with another, this is an opinion being held up to the same regard as a scientific model.
You're welcome to your opinion, but it's not equivalent to the conclusions that science have come to.

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>>28379208
Indeed. I would be cautious if I were you however. God isn't the only thing that can be blindly worshiped by people.

>>28379358
Science can be wrong. But science is continuously testing.

You try to make the argument that because science is not infallible, that your opinion should hold just as much weight as a currently held scientific model.
And now you are implying that rejecting opinions which are invalid according current and modern models is the same as blind worship.
I would warn you, in turn, that one's own opinions can be just as self-blinding and deluding as any religion.

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>>28379608
Never said anything of the sort, way to blow it out of proportion though.

I'm only saying that there could, COULD, be more to it all than just biochemical impulses that we can see at the current time and that I believe this to be the case.

I never had any beef with science and I am not asserting that my opinion is absolutely correct, just that it could be (as could yours, but you seem keen on not extending me the same courtesy). I do, however, take offense to the notion that science is the one, true, and only path to figuring *everything* out. That every single little thing in the universe absolutely *must* have a correlation to chemicals and/or some obtuse mathematical equation that only the "brilliant" or "enlightened" scientists could ever solve or come up with.

Many people think like this (i.e. made science their religion). If that is their deal so be it, I just think it unduly limits their thinking. They don't see all possibilities, their minds are closed and they only see what they want to see. I pity them.

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Just a note, not: >>28379608

Actually I think that science is the best thing by which to figure out the physical universe with.

I can believe that god created the universe 4000 years ago, but I can't make real decisions based upon that knowledge. I have to operated based on the facts science has shown us.

Also, I think that while there are things that science cannot CURRENTLY explain to us (what love IS. Is there good and evil, etc.) I do believe that PHILOSOPHY (which is logic and thus the scientific method, applied to thinking, morality, and belief) is how we can best understand those things.

Finally, I think that given enough time, anything and everything will eventually be able to be explained by science.

Operating on the idea that "some things are impossible to know and we can only go with what we believe!" is not the right way to approach things. It's a close minded view point that demands that we always invent our OWN answers and then stick with them.

For example. A scientist would NOT go "God doesn't exist until you prove it!" A scientist would go "I can't prove or disprove the existence of god, but it'd be REALLY cool either way wouldn't it?Until then, since I can't PROVE his existence, I have to opperate as if he did NOT exist, because there is not enough evidence of a supernatural entity effecting the natural world"

Basically. A despite what many super-religious, anti-science folk believe. If god came down from the heavens and said "I EXIST MORTALS!" most of the scientific community wouldn't be going "OH GAWD! WOE IS US! SCIENCE IS WRONG!"

They'd be going "OMG! LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS MEANS FOR WHAT WE KNOW! THIS IS SO FUCKING EXCITING!"

On the OTHER hand. If definitive proof (as in proof that, for whatever reason, no one could deny, as obvious as 'the sky is blue' type proof) came down that 'there is nothing of the divine or super natural in this world"