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What would be the most terrifying/fun creature to have "like pigeons" in a fantasy city?
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>>27913274
Guinea pigs. They just run around, doing their own little thing, and occasionally being eaten.
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Terrifying:Flesh golems

Fun:Fairy dragons
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>>27913274
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirge_%28Dungeons_%26_Dragons%29
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>>27913291
Christ why would any one live in this make-believe fantasy town!?
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>>27913274

Housecats.
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>>27913317
>on fire
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Street urchins.
Like literal urchins growing out of the cobbled streets, from the walls of poorly kept old houses, in big colony heaps in forsaken back-alleys and so on.
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>>27913343
pointy alley ways of death
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Bear owls. They're the opposite of owlbears. Little furry owl shaped things with claws and fangs. And they like to eat eyes.
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Intellect devourers
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>>27913274
Terrifying? Kender
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>>27913386
Alternatively, Cassowaries.
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>>27913375
>not making full size bears that fly using bear magic
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Cranial rats.
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>>27913409
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>>27913386
OP said terrifying, not the level of hell reserved for the most heinous of sinners.
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>>27913432
i believe he said terrifying/fun
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>>27913274
Humans
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>>27913396
Cities would never form if Cassowaries were like pidgeons.
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Stirges,
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Hey guys. What's going on in this thread?
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>>27913514
Nomads for life. Because everyone would die if they weren't constantly running from the Cassowaries.
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>>27913274
winged monkeys
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>>27913274
Dire pigeons. Like pigeons, only bigger and meaner and uglier.

Harpies.

Land octupi.
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Shocker lizards
If nothing else, it'd be impossible to be a murderhobo
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>>27913514
Cassowaries wouldn't be dangerous is they were like pidgeons
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Crystal growths

Anything you leave out doesn't get eaten by pigeons, it just slowly develops a shimmery surface and then, if left long enough, starts growing crystallic spikes - small at first, they grow out to almost a foot from the walls before they're so heavy they break off and shatter on the ground. When they grow vertically, they can grow to almost three feet before their weight tears them loose, making them a hazard when walking under city bridges and overhanging balconies.

Marble is not an ostentatious display of wealth - everybody gets a white-ish shimmering house for free. No, the rich build in dour black stone, in shale and in granite, and take pride in their very very opaque walls, kept that way by groundskeepers who knock crystal growths free with long wooden tools.

(Not a very valuable crystal, obviously, if it's so common)
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>>27913632
Fuck, what if you took a nap? You would be so itchy from all the dust.
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>>27913632

What if they were carnivorous crystals?
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Fun: Cockney Crows.

Like ordinary crows, but altered by a wizard to speak english in a comical cockney accent. Female crows having a childish sense of humor, they quickly outbred their natural cousins into extinction.

Scary: Funnel web spiders.
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Infinitely long human fingers that wiggle up from underground.
Noone knows how deep they go

Warp spider swarms

Leeches

Pseudo-dragons

Disembodied voices that know your secrets.
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>>27913274
Tentacles that hold your hand
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>>27913632

Splintered crystals don't have sharp fracture lines so the don't make good improvised weapons, but properly preserved they can make adequate spearheads, though they'll shatter against any proper armor. It gets a more interesting result to leave a loose-weaved net with maybe ½-inch masks undisturbed for about two weeks - if woven properly and seeded with crystals of the right alchemical reactants, a fine but strong glass grows to the size of the net.

In this city, the most common pest isn't any specific creature but rather more ghoulish: Anything that dies and isn't properly burned or buried is soon covered in crystal which will eventually fuse to the bones and reanimate. Humans and large animals can be easy to discover and dispose of, but in every alleyway, every day, a rat dies or a sparrow falls. When their crystalline bodies waken after a week or so, they are no more dangerous than before. They still follow their small animal ways until the bone-magic fades and they lie still for good after running around for perhaps a month.

It is said that the Karak Family preserved the bones of Ulukh Fireslayer when he was killed and keep them in a secret cabinet, carefully cleaning away any crystals. If one day they need him, they will take him out and wait until their crystalline champion wakens and can do his foul work for them again.
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>>27913274
Crows. Everyone avoids them like the pluage. They seem to be just crows though. Isn't that odd?
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Magical self-replicating metallic ravens, designed to eat trash and refuse and convert it into energy which is returned to the city reservoirs. Normally, they act like ordinary birds.

However, they're so ancient that nobody knows how or where they reproduce, and their control mechanism has apparently been scrambled, leading to some birds being misshapen and awkward. Some develop strange mental pattern, like fixation with a specific place or person, preferring to be around it. Others specialize in their trash-collection, like only eating red cloth. Very rarely, they go completely rogue and consider anything living as trash, and horror stories pass around of people being shredded by razor-sharp beaks and wings. Others claim that there are methods of controlling these crows and turning them into assassination tools, but these rumors are obviously not true. Absolutely not.
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>>27913341
With Blackjack and hookers.
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>>27913723
And all those crows communicate with each other and when you fuck with them every crow in the city knows and they'll make your life a hell.
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>>27913552
>land octopi

...I want this.

And that harpy girl is adorable, but LAND OCTOPI, YES.
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Demiliches
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>>27913274
Somebody went hunting/fishing and failed to store it correctly.
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>>27913542
Awww! I want one!
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>>27913752
>implying real crows don't do this.
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>>27913774
>easy to train
>loyal
>antennae are like feathers
>rusts and then eats all metal
>is now as prolific as pigeons

I don't know how I should feel about this one.
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>>27913542
>>27913774
Sorry I ate your sword, it was delicious.
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>>27913753
Yes, I, too want to live around the land octopi. That'll keep those kijimuna away. Also, kijimuna.
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>>27913789
Yes, that was the point, anon!
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>>27913752
I don't get it, where's the unusual twist?
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>>27913753
Instead of flapping around, they brachiate between buildings with their tentacles. They're intelligent, LOVE to eat fish, and will happily befriend people.

This is a port city, so they'd be amphibious. Tourists would be sold little bits of fish to feed them with, and end up surrounded and covered with the octupi. Little red sucker-hickeys everywhere.
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>>27913844
Yes!
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>>27913283
led by this.
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>>27913283
And being sacrificed. The gods love guinea pig blood.
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Giant ants.
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Tiny men. Magical ones.
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>>27913311
Probably because they live in a swamp and domesticated them to be pets.

I ran a module that was like that. Turns out the leadership of the town was a cult to the god of mosquitos
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>>27913794
This would be an awesome elven defense against invaders. Just have everything in town made of ironwood if it needs to be metallike

Also.... howling burrowers.

A small wormlike creature that lives underground. Upon sensing the tremors of walking people the howling burrower drills its way out of the soil launching itself up to 20 meters to unerringly strike a creatures head, burrow through thier skull, and lay eggs in thier brain.
There is a distinct "dentist drill" sound directly before a howling burrower attack.
They can come in colonies.
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What's the name of those crows that live in Sigil and that'll eat everything?
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>>27914370
Crows.
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>>27913844

Thank you anon, you just described my most horrible nightmare
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Fey Hedgehogs.
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>>27914457

D'awwww

Hedgehogs with fruit stuck to their spikes are so cute
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>>27914482
>implying that its a real hedgehog.
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>>27914445
I aim to please. Or at least disconcert~
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>>27913274
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>>27914574
I'm guessing your idea of fun is DF "FUN!"
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>>27914574
Is this town on fucking Catachan or Fallout Australia or something?
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>>27914597
If that's what regular American wasps were like, I dread the effects on their far more vicious Japanese cousins.
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>>27914597
>"FUN!"
You mean !!FUN!!
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>>27914614
>regular American wasps were like
>regular American wasps
This ain't Australia. They are not normal wasps.
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Spider tanks! About half the size of cat, Panzer IV looking tanks with spider legs. Can run up walls and shit. Don't really attack people or household pets. Eat refuse. Made people make an aqueduct that leads to a cesspool outside the city because after eating shit, little spider tanks start making black, acrid smoke. Can be trained as pets and some are used as a city wide postal service. Unknown breeding capacity. Responds to agression in force. Sometimes make adorable little shooting competitions on the rooftops.

Were made to kill pigeons by a The Mad Armored God
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Vogon slapsticks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnG4lpcn9aM
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dragoncats
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>>27913397
GTFO THATS MY FALLING BEAR PICTURE
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Most fun: CATBUG!
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Putins.
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Most FUN: Dorfs. Dorf Fortress dorfs.
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>>27914962
No. Oglaf dorfs.
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>>27913723
We got tons of crows where I live, nobody's freaking out over it yet.
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Winged gypsies. God forbid you drop a nickel...
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>>27914574
Are they the wasps which hurt more than being shot?
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>>27914506
I know it ain't, but it happens to real ones and it is pretty adorable
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>>27914986
On a danger scale from 1 to 10, they rate "grudging nod of approval from an Australian".
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>>27914629
True, pipe-organ wasps are practically tame.
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>>27914986
Yes but in the game they are the size of large dogs.
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>>27914457
Jesus fuck those eyes. Its like they see right through you. Thats horrible.
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>>27914618
!!CAUGHT THE PLAGUE!!
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>>27913606

I think he meant "as common as pigeons".

Trying to imagine what London would be like with cassowaries instead of pigeons; Trafalgar square this desolate wasteland of Cassowaries and the dismembered corpses of chinese tourists, their tops halves several meteres away from their bottom halves but their tops halves still frantically taking pictures of the cassowaries.

Cars strewn everywhere in the roads, kicked over by cassowaries infuriated by their nonchalance, the british museum ransacked and all its exhibits destroyed by infuriated cassowaries because cassowaries hate art and culture...
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Drop Bears.
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Emus.
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>>27913690
I like that.

I once had this idea for a flock of "secret of NIMH" crows that knew how to use phones and computers, so they'd steal people's credit cards and use them to order pizza

"E-mail says to deliver the pizza to a park bench on 3rd and leave it there. Tip will be under a rock nearby."

The crows never leave a tip.
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Manbirds
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griffins
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Chryssalids.
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>>27913494
They look down at you and occasionally shit all over your stuff.
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>>27915267
NOP. NOPE NOPE NOPE NOOOOOPE.
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>>27914926
wyverncats
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I warned you but you didn't listen. This monster here isn't just any normal pigeon. Its a Native wood pigeon.
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Christopher Walken. Thousands of him.
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>>27914974
Same here. There's actually one area near downtown of my city where if you go by at the right time in the morning, you can just see hundreds of crows in the trees there all just cawing.
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>>27913844
Setting for my next story described. Thanks Anon.
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>>27914708

The shooting competitions would probably be for impressing mates, I would imagine.
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>>27915401
>being woken by the soft plup-plup-plup as the land octopi young playfully chase eachother across the roof of your small apartment, the rays of the morning sun gently illuminating the modest space.
>it's not quite morning, and you cast off at noon, so you lay there, smiling at the perked up ears of the terrier at the foot of your bed.
>she sighs into your neck and all is well.
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>>27915363
Sounds like something a sadistic, movie and music loving AI would pull as an ironic punishment. Someone makes fun of the way it talks, and it manipulates mass media and culture to generate MILLIONS of Walkenoids.
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Rust Monsters

Just think about it for a moment. Skyscrapers. Railway lines.
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Welcome to Vvardenfell
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>>27913274
Kender. Flying kender.
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>>27916094
Kender wizards.
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>>27913702
All of the tentacles have a favored hand.

They're sure to wake you up every morning and give you a squeeze goodnight.
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I ran Raiju as part lobster part tick part lightning elemental things that were essentially the sewer rats of the divine heavens at one point if that counts.

They were blessedly disinterested in the mortal world which relieved everyone because those things can travel there in the form of lightning strikes basically on a whim, and they are small dog sized blood sucking arthropods so they would have been pretty much the most horrifying shit imaginable.
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Insect Spirits?
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These ot the other thing that behaves like these that looks like an umbrella
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>>27916406
Adorab- wait
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>>27916427
... is that Bob from Bob's Burgers?
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>>27914986

Yeah, except the New Vegas ones are probably 40 Kilos of agony and terror.

Well except the ones in DLC which are probably 200 Kilos of agony and terror.
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Flying sharks
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Bearded vultures
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>>27916562
That thing looks almost fuzzy.

Having said that, Fluffy Chickens.
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>>27915466
>>27915401

You're welcome. Enjoy freaking everyone out with tentacles!
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gargoyles
griffins
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>>27915500

What if Shodan had been voiced by christopher walken?
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>>27913274
Blink dogs or some other thing that warps around a lot.

Flash hawks, birds of prey that can deflect light. around them to protect themselves or blind prey. Basically, they keep shining a mirror at you every time you look at them on a sunny day. Really annoying.
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>>27913274
Bats.

Imagine going into the subway and there's no roof. Only bats.
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>>27916745
Well the one you posted is pretty adorable.
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>>27916745
Alternatively, /tg/'s special.
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>>27916646
Or imps
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Implying pigeons aren't terrifying enough already.
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>>27916755
That's the fun part.
There's a shitload of them. That's the terrifying part.
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>>27913805
scary smart birds. though in your opinion crow>raven?
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>>27916756
>>27916756
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>>27916786
I couldn't imagine myself doing anything other than trying to catch them. To be honest, I've tried to catch pigeons before too. Most terrifying creature for me would be rat-sized spiders (or hell, even the size of regular wolf spiders). Most fun would be those bats maybe... grab your gloves to avoid rampant rabies and enjoy the show.
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>>27916816
I lawled. Those are harvestmen though. They're not even proper arachnids.
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>>27916845
I dunno, once you scale spiders up that big, they mostly just look fuzzy and adorable.
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>>27916866
Some do. Some others look like Lil' Shelob.
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donkeys
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>>27916890
>lusty bray
>>>/mlp/
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>>27916883
All of my nope.
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Any creature which consistency rolls a natural 20.
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>>27913274
> Tarrasques. Tarrasques everywhere.
Are you badass enough to ride and pilot the gigantic Tarrasquetron 3.000 and banish this plague from the city?
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Surprised no one mentioned the owls in Futurama.

>Piss off Athena with shitty sacrifices. Owls everywhere until you make nice.
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>>27913274
Pic related.
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Books. Flying books. Libraries replaced with giant aviaries with tamed books flying all over the place, trained to fly to library patrons and allow themselves to be read in exchange for bookmark treats. Normal books would exist too, but would be uncommon due to several factors:

1. normal books do not regenerate themselves to perfect condition when damaged but not destroyed fully

2. normal books don't find themselves (who needs a card catalog?), deliver themselves, DEFEND themselves, and carry themselves when not in use.

3. "wild" books can be found with hidden/lost knowledge not available in books written by mere men.

4. occasionally, normal books turn into flying books, seemingly at random

hmmm, this setting really writes itself. Maybe in the past there was a great burning of many libraries because of some anti-knowledge cult or god or something, so an ancient, epic level enchanter (or perhaps a god of knowledge) put an enchantment on all the land for the sake of the preservation of knowledge for the future. So now that knowledge really is free in the most literal sense.

Shit, now I want to run this setting. I don't have a group though...
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>>27917182
I'm also now imagining the nerdy scholar stereotype of always CARRYING a stack of books, instead always being basically surrounded by a swarm of them.
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>>27917182
>roving flocks of smutty romance novels
>chattering, annoying bands of political pamphlets making their (election) seasonal migrations
>stately Bibles take the place of swans, being regal and solemn in appearance until they decide to break your arm.
>a noble pocket constitution perched atop an olive branch sheds a single tear for liberty
>sky-darkening hoards of tabloids shit on everything
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Mockery drones.
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>>27917266
>Dictionaries flying around trying to hear as many new words as possible
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>>27917284
>thesauruses annoying wannabe poets in shitty cafes by suggesting alternative, non-edgy words to use.
>pocket dictionaries sit on people's shoulders and repeat everything they say except edited for grammar
>grammar textbooks enact The Birds on the entire state of New Jersey.
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Eclipse Phase has these genetically engineered monkeys that were literally made by gene-engineering grad students on a prank. What's special about them is that their bite contains BTX-square, a potent nerve agent.

Every time the players open a box, I roll a d100.

It's not gotten the monkey number. Yet.
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>>27917335

Atlas Shrugged and Infinite Jest are locked in mortal conflict over which can be the alpha pretentious pile of tripe.
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>>27917335
>The "scholar and hunter" stereotype would be even more common, because oftentimes they are one and the same
>Refined, well educated scholars go out "into the field" to find and hunt down new, unknown book species and capture them for study
>Their work is dangerous, but respected. Most would say that they do what they do for purely scientific reasons and for the sake of the advancement of knowledge. Of course, some are probably in it for the thrills and/or glory.
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eggs. with magical wings. no one knows where they come from, and if they break, the wings disappear.

imagine the horror. eggs. eggs everywhere.
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Archive this, stat!
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>>27917548
>Setting equivalent of Halloween
>Everyone in the town cowers indoors as the sound of shells cracking reverberates off the walls of the houses
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>>27916406
Oh cool, is that one of those fruit moths that've started drinking human blood instead? I hear those bites hurt like a bitch
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>>27914986
>>27915013
>>27916483
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>>27917693

In Norway in certain parts of the country we have a very small black fly that drinks blood.

Unfortunately Evolution did not grant it a proboscis, is instead it makes do by ripping out a tiny chunk of flesh and lapping up the blood from the wound.

It comes in immense swarms certain years.
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>>27915255
>>27915246
>>27915173
These are p cool
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>>27917501

>Tablets and other portable devices are like a hive mind of bugs all connected to each other via the overmind of the "internet"

>Occasionally they will try to crawl their way into your pocket or purse and make themselves readily available for use but, more often than not, show shitty ads and random assort of info either completely fabricated or only half-right.
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>>27917800
That is terrifying. Why are so many insects out for blood now?
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>>27917335
>Science textbooks are big goddamn predators. They never stop growing as long as they have knowledge to absorb. The oldest ones are like pterosaurs
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>>27917501
>>27917182
You guys should read this
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>>27914952
except for the see-through zone parasites that would be everywhere from hundreds of the adorable bastards running around
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>>27917962
They all know the end is coming, and they're preparing to feast on the fresh corpses of the billions that die.
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Banshees.

Dullahan (either just the heads or just the bodies).

Flying rats, oh wait.
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>>27917800
So basically miniaturized horseflies.
Wanna trade?
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>>27913274
Tarrasques
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>>27918338

No need, we got both kinds.
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This thread reminds my of an idea of dragons I once had. Dragons could grow to be more than a kilometer long should they live long enough, with no top end limit on size. However the eggs they laid are all roughly the same size of chicken eggs, they just produce more of them as they get bigger. Any dragon that is sexually mature produces a minimum of around a thousand eggs at a time. Tiny dragons are thus all over the damned place, and once they get to be a year old they can fly, around 3 years old they are the size of large cats, around 6 they are larger than most dogs. Also around 6 they start breathing fire, though it can happen earlier even within weeks of birth, at this point though you can kill the dragon for its fire crystal which burns for a very long time at a very hot temperature. Also this was a steampunk setting and adult dragons are hunted in place of whales, the fire crystals being a great fuel source, as well as the dragon fat becoming a high quality oil when you rendered it down.
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>>27913274
those huge bats that have like 10ft wingspans
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>>27918387
That actually sounds like a pretty cool idea.
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Raptors. Little raptors with wings.
Instead of bread you throw a sheep in the park.

For fun: Pigeon marines, pigeons with little space marine helmets which can use normal language, but still are dumb as always.
When they swarm to get bread crumps they scream "FOR THE EMPERAH" and when they fight "HERESY".
With a deep manly voice ofcourse.

Just imagine going for a walk and suddenly you hear "HERETIC" screamed from above and a pigeon shat on your head.
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>>27918623
>pigeons
Don't you mean Partridges?
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>>27917224
Oh!! And instead of doing birdcalls to them, he makes that thhhrrrrp soundyou get when you turn the pages really fast (I'm not sure how to describe it better)!
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>>27918622
I'm glad someone else likes it, but I stopped working on it when I couldn't decide on what fantasy elements it should and shouldn't have.
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>>27919060
Yeah, it also sounds like there are shittons of massive firebreathing flying lizards everywhere so you'd probably have to take that into account. Dragons instead of horses?

Anyway, you could just try going with standard fantasy D&D elements.
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>>27919133
I really didn't want to go with standard things because I was trying to make something that actually looked like the industrial revolution. Part of why I wanted to do the dragon hunting = whaling thing was because most modern people look down on whaling, but at the time whalers were much more heroic figures, and I wanted to convey that. And putting in the standard fantasy elements would skew things like that.
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>>27916590
Bearded vultures eat nothing but bones.

No, really. They eat bones. Their stomach acids are considered on par to laboratory solutions. They'll pick up prey and drop it to its death, then let other things feast on the meat, swooping in later to eat the skeleton. They get all their nourishment from the bones and marrow.
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>>27919292
Point. I genuinely is an interesting setting in my opinion, I'm thinking about using it for my next campaign.
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>>27919396
Fuck yes. Bearded Vulture Men for best race.
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>>27919396

>bearded vultures kindly share their food with others

Bearded vultures confirmed for bro-tier.
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>>27919396
If I were a serial killer, I'd keep these as pets.
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>>27917266
I love it.
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>>27913274
These motherfuckers
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Fun:
Bunnies, chickens, hummingbirds, gnomes, tiny flying horses

Terrifying:
Warios, giant mosquitoes, ethereal filchers, dragons, bronies
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>>27917450
I've been to /lit/ all of two or three times and each time they told me to read Infinite Jest. I still haven't read it and I still have no idea what it's about.
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>breed like assholes
>leave eggshells everywhere
>will leap up and take your hotdog if you aren't paying attention
>regularly consume the homeless
>can be domesticated
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Gnomes, of course. They live in the walls and crawlspaces and shit and build little junk houses. They're like rats, and they steal shit all the time. People like to point them around whenever they see them. And I ain't talking about no WoW gnomes, I,m talking 6 inch tall garden gnomes.
Fucking gnomes, man
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>>27921598
>regularly consume the homeless
>can be domesticated
sounds great
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>>27915267
Too far man, too far.

I still remember my first night snakeman terror mission. First and last.
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>>27917182

Day-yam, Making me think of the Library of Babel as a sort of underdark that the flying books emerge from, breaking free from the shelves below and past the blind & unseeable librarians of the dark, burrowing up towards the light and emerging on to the surface.

Not only infinite but eternally emptying.
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>>27915267
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>>27914974
here in cali we get so many crows in the fall and winter they can cover rooftops and streetlines for miles. I, however, love crows, they're like my spirit animal and they're so pretty!
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>>27913386
Oh, so now blasted hellscapes are allowed?
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Terrifying:
>>27921194 cross bred with >>27913396 and genetically altered to have the temperament of a hornet or wasp.

Swarming, flighted, insectile cassowaries that hate all other life, with no exceptions.

Fun:
Aesop owls. Owls that tell fables that are somewhat relavant to the listeners' current situation with a great moral at the end.
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because the town is close to a hole leading to the elemental planes, the entire town is overrun with fucking mephits. they tried to release a shit load of quasits to kill they tenativly teamed up. thinking that cacodaemons would naturally not team up with anyone they let loose shitloads of them, but they all ran into the sewers instead of the rooftops and rafters.
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THE CORRECT ANSWER WAS COCONUT CRABS YOU FUCKS!
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>>27924803
but those are mostly harmless
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>>27920047
So when are you getting one?
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>>27924841
They still terrify me.
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>>27924841
>COCONUT CRABS
>mostly

They could be like teddy bears and Mogwai crossed together. If I saw one I'd shit my pants and head for ze hills
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>>27913774
Oh good, someone else who thinks they're adorable. :3
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>>27924803
next druid companion aquired.

i love sea druids so much
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>>27917022
Mini tarrasques!

So, tardigrades.
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>>27925035
>Sea druids
That's fucking brilliant
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>>27916860
Don't you mean daddy long legs?
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>>27914956
Holy god yes!
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>>27918387
I swear there is a story like this in an anthology about dragons, where kids have to wake up St George and then use magical taps to kill all the dragons and give England it's shitty weather
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>>27913695
how many knuckles do these fingers have??
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>>27916410
ahh cloakers.
>giving that greedy pc a mysterious cloak
>is actually cloaker, kills him in his sleep
or being a dick and throwing in trappers and lurker above's. good times.
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>>27924841
>coconut crabs
>mostly harmless
Yea, tell that to amelia earhart
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>>27914983
I laughed so hard I farted.
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>>27926661
>that response
I'm sorry, but I had to laugh at both the response and you.
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>>27921304
>Tiny warriors going after pocket change and shit, and fighting each other for their tiny hordes.
>Not fucking adorable.
>Not wanting to watch them do their matting calls. "Wah!"
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>>27918024
>Moers
>For Murricans
Nope!
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>>27917182
Would play 10/10
Talk to me if you want to DM this.


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