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Sorry I'm late, my internet just loves to die on monday mornings.

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I'm not really a long term player of this, or an expert in the rules, but do we have any plans for pic related? Seems relevant in a war.

>>27866338
You've done the math, it's more complex than conventional explosives, and less energy efficient than Radio-Reactive warheads. It would however have unparalleled armor penetration, the biggest problem is guidance. You'd need to improve your satellite network to get any real utility out of space weapons.

You could however support the military by expanding your satellite network and providing MVAC cores to the armed forces. You could also use military funds to get to the Moon and provide a symbol of peaceful exploration in a time of war

>>27866431
Do we have Spy satellites? Giving our side access to GPS would also help a lot I would imagine.

>>27866544
One mapping satellite, Five communications satellites, in polar orbits.
One weather satellite in a geostationary orbit over Tannhauser Island (On the other side of the world from the war)

All are probably outdated and lucky to still be in orbit.

You also have one mapping satellite orbiting the Moon's Equator, and one deep space probe in a solar orbit. The Aliens are still pinging it with active radar, but have made no attempts to communicate yet, almost as if they'd prefer to watch and listen.

>>27866653
Have the repairs to the island's facilities been completed? We must be ready to send up more satellites and continue our development of the launch vehicles.

>>27866686
Weather/mapping satellites over the war zone?

>>27866686
The damage from the storm was minimal and with the army's help you have been able to clean up fast, you can build things now and launch no sooner than next turn.

>>27866653
>The Aliens are still pinging it with active radar

Nice mispelling of Foe Stars~

Anyway, we might want to supply the military with MVAC cores and new spy satellites. How many Cores do they need, and how many satellites do we need to cover the entire world?

>>27866726

War is a terrible thing of course... but we should look at it as an opportunity.

The first thing to do is to get a comsat network up, built so that only our navy and air force can use it -- we can open it up later.

We're at war with a smaller power, so the strategic abilities it gives us aren't particularly important, but the case can be made that they will be if the conflict escalates

We'll also have to talk to Klaus.

Do the MVACs have enough computing power to allow large ships to calculate a position fix using existing satellites? (I'm thinking more sat-based LORAN than GPS here for now).

We'll also have to see whether any of our old technology is suitable for combat.

Most importantly, we should at least make a show of asking our military what it needs from us -- in a local conflict our skills aren't very useful. At the very least, let us provide an eye in the sky, and if we can, let us fit it with an atmospheric reentry pod containing literature reminding the Spartanians that they are surrounded on all sides, including up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_over_Vienna

>>27866158
We shall launch observation satellites over the Western Isles in order to assist our military.

Turn 19 Budget:
12RP Observation Satellite
12RP Radio-Beacon Satellite
36RP Seraphim 10/15
9RP New MVAC Technology Invention
1RP Grenefeld Engineering Improvement
3RP Build MultiVAC Core for military encryption
1RP Lunar Buggy 10/15
1RP Palmer Engineering Improvement

>>27866724
A satellite in a polar orbit will pass over every inch of the planet if it waits long enough, a satellite in an equatorial orbit will just pass over the narrow band of the equator. A satellite in a geostationary orbit will hover over one spot on the equator.

>>27866750
6 Satellites evenly spaced in a polar orbit will cover the entire world. 4 in an equatorial orbit, or three in a geostationary orbit.

Right now your go to satellite package is an unmanned version of the pathfinder space capsule. It has an empty mass of 1 and an internal capacity of 2, giving it enough room for a power source and either a camera or radio repeater. Colonel smith suggests building a slightly larger one would be more efficient because it would cut down on the amount of launches required.

>>27866841

This looks good to me. However, we should put an observation satellite in an orbit that goes over our enemies. Even if it operates 10 minutes out of 90, it's useful.

>>27866881

True, but it means certifying a new capsule type. We should act fast.

>>27866832

Just because we know kinetic bombardment is not practical it doesn't mean that the average Spartanian civilian does. The leaflet drop makes it understood that it could've been far worse, and it can be done as a secondary payload?

>>27866881
>Colonel smith suggests building a slightly larger one would be more efficient because it would cut down on the amount of launches required.
We jumped straight from a Capacity 2 to a Capacity 7. Could the Cheribum Upper Stage be used as a satellite?

>>27866936
>we should put an observation satellite in an orbit that goes over our enemies
Our enemies are in the Western Isles, in the western hemisphere, which is where the satellites are slated to cover.
Your statement is redundant.

>>27866936
The issue is that a flying fortress can (and does) do the same for much cheaper.

>>27866946
It could be possible to build a probe core version of the Cherub upper stage.

>Unnamed satellite package.
>Mass 2, Capacity 4 (total 6)
>18 points to invent, 6 points to build or improve.

Unfortunately getting into a polar orbit would cost 2 mass worth of fuel, which would leave the same payload.

>>27867139
>Unfortunately getting into a polar orbit would cost 2 mass worth of fuel, which would leave the same payload.

Yay diminishing returns!


>The issue is that a flying fortress can (and does) do the same for much cheaper.

True, but a flying fortress is scary but understandable. Leaflets with "You know, we could annihilate you with the fist of god, but we don't want to" can cause religious terror.

The idea is to recapture the shock that aerial bombardments used to cause, without causing collateral damage. If it can be done as part of an existing mission, it's worth it.

>>27867139
Could the Trailblazer be made into a Satellite Package?

Because otherwise, we'd need to build something in-between the Pathfinder and the Trailblazer, and it would need to either use the Titan-Seraphim combo or a newly built first and second stage, which would be even more expensive in the short-term.

>>27867218
nah lets not do that.

>>27867270
The Hectate might be a better choice, but in either case both are many times larger than what you need.

>>27867403
>but in either case both are many times larger than what you need.
Many times larger, but readily available right now and can be launched in the next turn.
Of course, two separate, smaller satellites is cheaper than one Hecate launch, so I think it's a moot point.

The Barachiel-Archangel paired rockets should be able to get a satellite into polar orbit, if memory serves correctly.

>>27867529
Yes, if you use existing infrastructure and are willing to launch twice as many rockets, you can put up a mix of recon and communications satellites. It might however, also be possible to miniaturize things so you can get more utility out of the 3 mass you can send to polar orbit on an archangel.

>>27867529

Tht they can. Let's go with that.

Rolled 7, 2 = 9

>>27867612
We shall ask Adell and Smith if the new MVAC integrated circuit technology can miniaturize radio or camera technology.

However, the military needs those satellites next turn, and unless the new technology could be invented and develope to be reliable in the space of one turn, we shall launch two rockets.

>>27867801

Second this. If nothing else, it would do to seem eager to help.

>>27866841
Satelites cost 14 not 12,

Pathfinder Satelite (Cost 3)
>Power Source (Cost 1)
>Payload (Cost 1)
Hawtry Void Engine (Cost 3)
>Fuel
>Fuel
Archangel Rocket (Cost 6)

Free up 4 points or just finish the satellites next turn?

>>27868016

We should free up points. Guess the Seraphin will have to wait a bit (10/16).

>>27868085
We got 15 points from the military, and a satellite costs 14 points. I think we should launch one per turn and use the rest for getting to the moon. We've had too many distractions.

Rolled 3, 1 = 4

>>27868016
Put off the Lunar buggy and the Core for the military. They'll get their computer next turn.

Rolled 8, 6 = 14

>>27868149
We can't launch anything this turn. And not building them both now doesn't help with Seraphim development this turn anyway.

>>27868221
In that case confirm >>27866841
We can finish and launch them starting next turn.

>>27868418

Is it safe to launch two vectors in rapid succession?

>>27868016
Corrected Budget:
Turn 19 Budget:
14RP Observation Satellite
14RP Radio-Beacon Satellite
36RP Seraphim 10/15
9RP New MVAC Technology Invention
1RP Grenefeld Engineering Improvement
1RP Palmer Engineering Improvement

You can launch two archangels per turn, anything larger however is once per turn.

Sorry for taking so long, I'm making dinner. I'll update soon.

>>27868513
Let's go with this!
>>27868516
We shall wait intently?

>>27868513
>Turn 19 Budget:
>14RP Observation Satellite
>14RP Radio-Beacon Satellite
>36RP Seraphim 10/15
>9RP New MVAC Technology Invention
>1RP Grenefeld Engineering Improvement
>1RP Palmer Engineering Improvement

Confirming budget, updating wiki.

>>27869091
As you finish signing the budget, MVAC starts ringing. It's Ms Kenaway.

"Ah you alright you highness! I didn't think the west would just attack like that! Another war is the last thing we need now!" She says visably destraught. "Anyways, I have something important to ask. Our next launch, will you not shoot it down?"

>>27869391

".... why would we do that?"

That's a thing, some sort of diplomatic effort is probably necessary.

>>27869391
"Midland is not at war with the Suthland Confederation, so we do not see any reason for your rockets to be in danger.
"Why, has General Clay threatened you in some way?"

>>27869391
>will you not shoot it down?
Is this Kenaway's accent making things difficult to understand?
Because this would be her asking us to shoot down her own rocket.
"Ms. Kenaway, are you sure you wish us to shoot down your rocket? Whatever for would we do that?:

>>27869571
"Your general has been threateing the south with military action, he dosn't like that we've been trading with them, and says we were the ones who sold them missiles! You highness you have to listen to me, the A4 isn't capable of hitting a target the size of a battleship accurately! It's designed to go into space not fly in the atmosphere!"

>>27869695

"You know this and we know this, but we'll have to explain it to the more militant among our peoples. We're going to support our military as is our duty, but we're not going to get involved in any manner of star wars if we can help it."
Maybe there's something to that false-flag stuff. Didn't we send someone to look at the debris? Is a suicide attack possible? A fanatic is cheaper than a guidance system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feeling_of_Power

>>27869695
"We shall attempt to speak with our Father, and with the Foreign Ministry and the Prime Minister on this.
"While we believe you, Ms. Kenaway, that rocket came from someone. We shall attempt to speak with our intelligence agency to attempt to reconstruct the rocket from debris. Will you cooperate by sending us metallurgical reports on the composition of your rockets?"

We need a metallurgical analysis of the debris, and attempt to reconstruct it.
Also, Piccollo had already used the 4 rockets he had purchased from Suthland before the attack at the Naval Review, had he not?

>>27869824

He's an aerospace engineer and a fairly good one at that -- making more wouldn't be a problem. Safest to assume that at least as far as ICBMs, the cat is out of the bag and everyone can make the things.

>>27869883
The point is that if he had used all 4 rockets he had bought before the Naval Review, then the one that was used wasn't an SSC rocket, but one built by Piccollo and therefore picking a fight with the Confederacy is even more stupid, on top of opening up a second front against a powerful nation that almost rivals Midland, and who already does have a rocket program they can militarize if they need.

"...Well, I suppose I should also tell you, We were working with Bruscoloni wireless to build our radio systems, the radar on this spacecraft was built by them. I don't think there's any risk, but I'm afraid Clay will say we are spying on Midland with it. We need it to scan earth to calibrate it for our Lunar mission." She says nervously.

Hmm, we shoul let their rocked be shot down this turn, or at least delay their projects for a while.

>>27870011
"We shall also bring this up, then. We have no right to stop you from performing scientific experiments, and Clay has had nearly a year to get used to the idea of hiding things from satellite. We shall do what we can to prevent Midland from taking any unwise actions concerning your program."

>>27870011

"Of course, we trust you implicitly and will gladly stand up to General Clay if need be. We want to see just who did lob a missile at us, will you help? People died, our brother was wounded. That's not even a matter of war, that's family."

>>27870154
>>27870165
"Thank you, I hope this trouble is over soon." The transmission ends.

What will you do now?

>We shall speak with Professor Hawtry about SPACE WEAPONS
>We shall speak with the Professora about war.
>We shall speak with Siskin Clay about security
>We shall speak with Adell about MCAC

>>27870244

We should get a hold of Siskin Clay. We are a target and can expect any manner of suave spy types to start showing up any time soon, so we need to talk operational security.

And, we promised to get him trained, and so it shall be, our word is our bond. He'll have to make time for both.

>>27870244
>>We shall speak with the Professora about war.

Because she needs to understand that we might need her super weapon again.

>>27870285

Or to tell her that we will support her to our fullest ability if she doesn't want to get involved with that again, more like.

Rolled 4, 7 = 11

>>27870244
>We shall speak with Adell about MCAC
We must know what the new integrated circuits are capable of, of how much can be miniaturized. This affects everything we do.

>>27870285
>>27870330
When you knock on the Professora's door, you find her inside packing her luggage. "Enter," She says curtly as she sweeps a bunch of papers off her desk and into a briefcase. It appears you caught her just in time as she plans to leave the island.

>>27870652
"Going somewhere, Professora?"

>>27870652

"Are you okay?"

>>27870714
>>27870723
"I am leaving Lydia, You can no longer grantee this organizations endeavors will not be used for military gain, and I swore to never build another weapon as long as I live. If you need a radio alchemist, Klaus has been a fine student." She says curtly as she closes a large luggage full of the black dresses she normally wears.

>>27870782

... I guess that is fair :(

"That's fair. We would rather not make you promise we can't keep, our royal status can do only so much against political pressure in wartime. We'll try to make sure nobody bothers you."

>>27870782
"We suppose it was inevitable that you would leave, what with the war. The moon landing will not be the same without you here with us, Professora.
"Will you return once the war is over?"

>>27870878
The Profesora pauses for a long time. "I can't speak for the future." is all she says after much deliberation. Eventualy a Steward enters the room. "Dame Palas, the boat is leavi... Oh I'm dreadfully sorry your highness."

>>27870987
"No, it's alright.
"We shall not keep you, Professora. Please write to us and Amelia, even if you cannot stay here. We hope that we will be able to build your radio-reactive turbine and void engine soon."

>>27870987

In conscience it'd be wrong to try to talk her out of it.

"Please know that if you wish to be the voice of reason in all this, we at the very least owe it to you to let you broadcast."

"Thank you I..." The professora's words are cut short by a bout of violent coughing. She covers her mouth well and seems to wipe her mouth when she has recovered, taking a second to glance at her hand. When she sees this she quickly covers it up. "Anyways I must be going now, the boat will be leaving soon."

>>27871331


.... Oh fudge.

>>27871331

Probably best if she stops working for a while, all said.

We should go see Klaus. He's just been promoted.

>>27871331
"Please take care of yourself, Professora. We wish you to be able to see our radio-reactive turbine when it becomes operational. And at least say goodbye to Amelia before you leave; you wouldn't want her to feel left out, would you?"

And we'd better talk with Klaus; he's our new Head of Radio-Reactive Research.

>>27871796
"Thank you very much Lydia." She says as she takes her suitcase and leaves for the docks. You notice a drop of blood on the floor where she was standing when she was coughing.

So...time to get Klaus working on making the bomb?

>>27872037
We had better talk with Klaus to let him know about his promotion.
Then we need to talk with Adell about the new computer technology.

>>27872078

no.

>>27872078
He's good, but not that good. Minerva kept all the critical technologies and equations in her head.
He would need to re-do all of her work.

>>27872332
You head back up to the manor to speak with adell but are interrupted on your way by a guard who tells you that you are wanted up in the radio room. This seems to be happening a lot these days, although it's understandable given the circumstances on earth and above.

>>27873101
Go to the radio room.

The atmosphere in the room is very tense, Smith looks worried and Adel keeps muttering to herself how this shouldn't be possible.

"The Voyager has just received a transmission, it's signed and coded as being from yourself too yourself, but voyager's radio direction finders indicate it's coming from space." Colonel smith says as he clears his throat. "The Foe star probably sent it, but We can't read it without your password. Somehow they've already cracked our toughest codes wide open."

>>27873231

"If they can move as they do, that comes to no surprise."

Let's read it!!!!!!

>>27873231
Sigh in frustration.
"We already suspected that their technology far surpassed our own, Sergeant."
Input our encryption key.

>>27873360
The screen lights up and flickers a few times before forming a line. A voice is heard "vi povas aŭdi min nun?" and as it speaks the line vibrates as if representing sound or radio waves. The line then curves until it becomes a circle. The circle appears to be a representation of earth as the image zooms out and traces the orbits of the moon and some of your satellites. It then zooms even further out to a representation of the entire solar system, which is then rotated onto it's side.

Hovering above the plane of the ecliptic directly above the sun about 5 times as far away from the sun as earth is, is a point. The screen zooms into that point and then in on an object floating underneath it. It's a spindly thing resembling an insect or perhaps some arcane symbol. The screen rotates around it once, fluidly animating from every angle showing off square wings and ovaloid baubles attached to a narrow truss in the center. The screen then freezes in profile view and words are written above it in several languages, none of which you comprehend.

당신은 저에게 지금들을 수 있습니다
vi povas aŭdi min nun?
Вы меня слышите сейчас

Below the illustration, is a depiction of a wavelength with a series of dots above it, and a diagram of the Voyager probe, perhaps some kind of scale. If it's accurate this thing is slightly larger than your seraph, but much more spread out, it almost looks fragile.

>>27874075

....


You know, whatever that means, if we announce it, it's fairly likely to stop anyone on this planet from wanting to do any manner of intra-planetary war for a while.

>>27874211
>it's fairly likely to stop anyone on this planet from wanting to do any manner of intra-planetary war for a while.
No, it would validate the Nord's claims and they would take it as a sign that they were right to attempt to take over the world, and they would rearm and march across the world, heedless of their losses. And they would eventually succeed, because Minerva never allowed anyone to know how to build the final critical components of her radio-reactive weapons and we only have about two dozen left and are unable to build more.

>>27874263

.... point.

>>27874075
"Colonel Smith, Sergeant Adell, can the Taurus Island Array receive signals from an object of that distance? Regardless, please prepare an MVAC link to Ms. Kenaway."

>>27874326

Secomd this.

>>27874289
Look, can we please stop trying to give the techno-viking Nazis complete vindication and justification in their genocidal crusade every single time a new development with the Foe Stars comes up?

>>27874326
"Not unless the planet were to flip upsidown your highness." Adel says. "It's on the wrong hemisphere. But I'm forwarding the message now." Colonel Smith seems to mostly be speechless.

>>27874428

We should send back the same message, plus some sort of "hello".

>>27874444
No we shouldn't. Not without consulting Jakisan, and even then, we still haven't explored the lunar City yet to find out what exactly the Foe Stars' presence is about.

And not only that, but they sent the message through our probe using our cypher, instead of transmitting directly to our ground station which they must know the coordinates of.
They're being cheeky cunts.

>>27874428
(a side note to everyone, we should start to put serious investment into training our princess in all the skills needed to make the trip to the moon base and back on the double. it appears that time is agienst us.)
How many foe stars are over us now?

>>27874539
Just a one right now.

>>27874570
Oh thank god, if there were more, i was about to be scared we were about to face an attack or invasion. Well, maybe one is all they need for that. None the less, We do need to find out to translate what those symbols mean! Linguist! We need Linguist now!

>>27874630
One is all they need to sterilize the planet with the amount of energy they throw around.
And they precipitated the Great War, and dozens of them appeared to watch as we developed nuclear weapons and used them against the Nords.

You do remember when all of this was discussed, don't you?

>>27874675
(ooc, sorry, i must have missed that thread. i have been away for awhile.)

>>27874675

(Reminds me of that one Dr. Who episode in which the Daleks, not having enough power to vaporize London, just have all the lights turn on during the London Blitz)

>>27874675
None the less, We have to understand what they are saying. wait... if they have been lissining into our radio broadcasting, shouldn't they have some idea how our languange works by now?

>>27874981
In all honesty, they don't have very much to listen to. Most radio frequencies bounce off the ionosphere or are simply absorbed. The only transmissions they can hear with any fidelity are the ones you make.

>>27875070
Shouldn't you be writing right now?

>>27875070
Um, God Mother, with truly high tech, that might not be a problem. We have had spy satilights back in the late 80's that could zoom in and read your newspaper while it's on your lap. they could have easily been doing the same.

>>27875165
From 5 Astronomical units away? That's unlikely. Not unless the aliens have antennas the size of small moons. But yes they cracked your best code without even trying and could do much more if they were in orbit around your planet.

>>27875105
I figure this is a good place to stop for the night, i have to walk the dog and do homework.

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>>27875226
Still, the aliens/galactic empire could have been less like /tg/ and more professional.

>>27875582
Jokes on you, I always play as the Taidans.

>>27875226

I love this.

>>27875226
never put anything past them God Mother, they probably have FTL comm systems too.
>>27875582
>>27875612
what game is this?

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>>27875612
There's nothing left. Gaia is burning...
"What are your orders, Princess?"

Just gonna say it here, this ain't Xcom and it definitely isn't Homeworld. All my inspiration is in the wiki.

>>27875760
Then stop making the Foe Stars act like /tg/ whenever they have a cunning and trolltastic plan.

>>27875840
When do the badguys in either Xcom or homeworld act like that?

>>27875872

The ethereals in new!xcom kinda do...

>>27875872
Admittedly they don't. But the Foe Stars here are acting in a way which does not engender trust or a willingness to cooperate.
They showed off that they have technology far superior to our own in as blatant a fashion as they could.
Instead of simply transmitting directly to our Stonefield Array, or to our launch site, or even just to the Voyager, they had to crack our encryption and show that they can easily do so.

>>27875872
X-COM, when they just fly around doing scouting and experiment missions and fly away from regular interceptors.

>>27875936
Okay this is metagaming but it's late and I'm feeling generious.

The Princess has also not been acting in a way which engenders trust or a willingness to cooperate either, The aliens haven't intercepted many non-encrypted communications.

They also won't contact earth directly because of reasons. You actualy almost sort of touched on them in this thread.

>>27876006
>They also won't contact earth directly because of reasons. You actualy almost sort of touched on them in this thread.
What, they're afraid that their First Contact with a pre-Warp civilization will cause massive social upheaval, such as the Nords finding out that they were right all along and this time we won't have enough nukes to stop them all?
The very same scenario we are preventing by encrypting our communications and the photographic evidence from the Moon?

Kind of hypocritical, isn't it?

>>27876091
It's a delicate situation isn't it! Would your rather they broadcast a message to everyone on the planet instead of one specifically for an individual they have determined to likely be a powerful political figure and encrypted in the most secure fashion that can still be read by the people who receive it?

And with that, I'm going to shut the hell up.

>>27876163
I would rather that they transmit an unencrypted and directional signal just to the Stonefield Array, or to shut up until we decide to contact them.

>>27876224
You don't get how hard it is to do tightbeam communication at interplanetary distances do you?

>>27876224
You could always try asking them to do that next time. You may be a princess but you can't expect aliens to understand the proper way to address a lady.

>>27876236
I know it's hard, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's beyond the capabilities of an interstellar empire.

>>27876252
Physical laws are the same no matter how powerful you are. These guys slowboated in, so they don't have anything which apparently breaks physics as far as it is possible to tell from the very limited contact we've had with them.

You're wishing for fairy tale aliens, and God Mother is giving us a decently thought out and decently serious treatment of a first contact story.

>>27876279
>These guys slowboated in, so they don't have anything which apparently breaks physics as far as it is possible to tell from the very limited contact we've had with them
We've not actually seen them enter or leave our system.
The only things we've seen are the massive bursts of energy signalling their arrival and departure.

>>27876312

Which, metagaming a bit, is consistent with ZOMG WARP DRIVE or Wing-Commander-esque jump points.

>>27876236

It's fairly hard, but we managed OK the three-four times we had to do it for work.

>>27876279
>>27876799
Furthermore, we haven't seen the tell-tale blue- and red-shift of the light from their exhaust which would be observed if they were making burns to leave our system or slow down when arriving.
So that's a point against them slowboating in.