/tg/ I think I'm going bonkers. After recently getting involved into the lore of 40k, I can't stop obsessing myself over the God Emperor of Mankind and the Imperium of Man. I'm reciting the Libation to the Emperor prayer and I'm going over a PDF of the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer left, right and center. I've even started working out in a hope to "better myself for the Emperor and for mankind". I couldn't make this shit up if I tried my hardest. Am I just autistic? Is it reasonable to interpret this entire thing as a legitimate religion and continue with what I'm doing? Please help me.(Considering I was first introduced to the lore on /tg/, maybe the issue would be resolved on /tg/, but maybe this thread is better suited for /adv/.)
>>27714768>Am I just autistic?Yes.
You've just reached illumination, brother. A shame you were born a few millenia too early. You'd have made a fine chaplain otherwise.
If you're bettering yourself, and it doesn't interfere with your ability to function in normal society, then what the fuck ever. Call yourself a Jedi or an Atlantean or worship Jesus for all I care.
>>27714768It's too late to stop now. Keep going and see what happens.
>>27714768>Is it reasonable to interpret this entire thing as a legitimate religion and continue with what I'm doing?It's no worse then any of the "real" religions out there.
>>27715078This. But you might want to come up with an excuse if your mates catch you muttering litanies to yourself.
>>27714768Welcome to the club. We have support groups monthly.
>>27715164Just say that they are things to recite from a selfhelp guide you found online.
>>27715147>>27715203Why would you pass up on the chance to spread the good word?
>>27715225Because they might be heretics who seek to kill the servants of the God Emperor.
You've probably been possessed.I'd dose myself in Holy Water ASAP.
When I was 18 I got the Imperial Aquila tattooed on my chest, and started looking ways to actively improve humanity. I'm currently working for the Peace Corps, but I think after this I'll start looking for more proactive ways to actually shove humanity headlong into the cosmos.You're not alone.
The primer seems like a terrible basis for a religion.
>>27715343Doesn't the back have a shit load of prayers though?
>>27715343The Imperium in general is a pretty terrible basis for anything. Its a satire of 80s/90s over the top shit that people somehow started taking seriously.
You just went full mon-keigh.
>>27714768>After recently getting involved into the lore of 40k, I can't stop obsessing myself over the God Emperor of Mankind and the Imperium of Man. I'm reciting the Libation to the Emperor prayer and I'm going over a PDF of the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer left, right and center. I've even started working out in a hope to "better myself for the Emperor and for mankind". I couldn't make this shit up if I tried my hardest.No faithful serf of His Holiest of Majesties, youre not going bonkers, it is only reasonable to be infatuated by Our Lord and Saviour the God-Emperor of Mankind, let no heretic tell you otherwise or shake your convictionsPRAY WITH US!Trust in the Emperor at the hour of battle.Trust to him to intercede, and protect his warriors true as they deal death on alien soil.Turn their seas to red with the blood of their slain.Crush their hopes, their dreamsAnd turn their songs into cries of lamentation
>>27715243Surely the Emperor's will would not allow one of his servants to fall to some puny heretic slime?
>>27715308I hope it's your entire chest wide, like on a Space Marine's brestplate.If so, pics
>>27715308>I think after this I'll start looking for more proactive ways to actually shove humanity headlong into the cosmos.If you get anywhere with that, please pass it along. I've wanted nothing more for a long time now. If nothing, I take cold comfort from the thought that the profit motive of "more rare earths than China produces in a year in that one rock over there" and "enough He-3 to replace all fossil fuels, just layin' around" will eventually drag these gibbering apes skyward.
It is always a glorious sight to see one as pious as you, OP. Do you think yourself to keep this act on forever, for the rest of your life? Do you think your enthusiasm for a dying corpse and his rotting imperium will last for long? It will fade one day, OP. And at that moment you will fall and fail emotionally. But there will be someone to catch you, never fear, OP. Then you will look back onto your silly prayers and rejoice, for you will be with your fellow brothers, who have known the darkness that plagued you once. And the four gods shall look upon you and laugh heartily, for a new champion will be born. His zeal and righteous fury transformed into something even more holy, a hate for who he was.
>>27714768>>27715033>>27715308>>27715386>>27715467>>27715523>tfw he's never waking up to lay waste to the enemies of the Imperium
>>27715400Covers my left pec, and quite literally one of the reasons I started working out was so it would look better.>>27715467Well I'm still young, so I don't really have any concrete plans, but right now my idea is basically that I need to devise away to push the world towards quickly depleting its natural resources so we have no choice but to expand outwards. Obviously we are already doing this, but the other factor is that we need to have a unified government or ruling authority that has a similar intent to this, so as not to get caught up in a pointless war to eliminate large swathes of humanity. My fear is that the ruling powers will just want to kill off large portions of the population so there is less competition for resources as opposed to harnessing that massive population to reach the stars.
>>27715308>>27715651>anon, why do you have a Nazi tattoo? are you some kind of skinhead?
>>27715651Why is a world government required? Why not let corporations compete to provide the best space travel?
>>27715684>why not let corporations compete to provide teh cheapest space travel?FIFY
>>27715681Yep, every time. Its gotten to the point I just tell people I'm a diehard Nazi.>>27715684Because corporations are in it for the profit. In this scenario I'm imagining the whole world will NEED to get off this rock if they don't want to do. So in reality, government or corps, doesn't matter which.
>>27715684The corporations will only look to space when it is already clearly profitable to do so.There are corporations with a lot more money than NASA gets a year. Corporations in the appropriate business to have the resources they need. But it's only extremely recently that commercial space flight became a thing, when governments have been doing it for over half a century. Why? Because there's no money in it except for what you can get out of rich assholes who want to see space.A government can afford to actually lose money on space exploration. A corporation perhaps could, but is dead set against doing so, because the whole point is profit. Governments aren't in it to make a profit; at the end of the year, if your government has paid its debts and provided its services and still has money collected via taxes, the first question you should ask is if there is anything else potentially useful that can be done with that money before you look at refunding the citizenry, because there are a lot of things that really SHOULD be done but can't be done profitably, so you can have the government fill the gap. They may not do it as well as they COULD, but most modern first-world governments USUALLY do things at a basic, acceptable level of quality; it might be a C+ instead of an A+, but it's still a passing grade. People always points to the exceptions when they say "UGH, GOVERNMENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT, MAKE THEM STOP DOING THINGS".Plus, hey, if there's a world government, you know what that means? No more wars. I guess civil wars can still happen, but for the most part, no more wars, because everyone's on the same side.
>>27714768Shit, you're just really easily manipulated. 40k isn't even trying to say that the Imperium is anything less than fucking crazy and unenviable, why would you do act like this?
>>27715928If OP was just easily manipulated, why would he has been ensnared by one of the various other religions/ideologies/political stances that permeate life to a much greater extent than this?
>>27716045Because they didn't interest him as much and weren't involved in cool space shit and "humanity fuck yeah aliens a shit" type things. I don't know, it's just pretty fucked if you're actually repeating litanies to yourself. It could be argued that essentially it's no less strange than a very religious Catholic person muttering prayers to himself, but honestly people would think someone that was doing that was pretty wierd too. I mean, hey, if you like it and it helps you better yourself then there's no real reason to stop it. Just don't try to convince yourself society wouldn't look at you differently for it if you were to be any sort of obvious.
>>27714768I think faith is an integral part of the human experience. Find something to believe in, as long as it improves your life. If it makes you a better person, or gives you drive, then it's worth. Don't give a fuck what other people say or think. The Bible has just as many bullshit contradictions are 40k does.Ave Imperator, mother fuckers.
>>27715622>tfw He wakes up, inside my soul>dat morning woodbased Emperor
>>27714768Did you skip the rules and regulations at the beginning of the primer?Is it right that every one of these infractions should be punished with death if they occur on a battlefield, and should otherwise be punished with flogging, shooting, flogging AND shooting, hanging, or any of the other myriad punishments?Is it really just for even the most minor crimes to merit corporal punishment? Even if you're a fan of spanking or switching children or whatever, even if you're one of those people who reads To Train Up A Child and whatever and sees mild corporal punishment as acceptable for children...for adults? Full-grown adults, entirely capable of reason? REALLY?If you're going to cherry-pick the primer while going through it left, right, and center, keeping on the parts you like...well, you're actually about on par with most believers of most real-world religions, but that doesn't make it a good idea.Trust me, though: this thread is not suited for /adv/. They wouldn't know what you're talking about, first off, but more importantly they're all about, like, relationships and shit.
>>27716143The Emperor Protects.
When get down to basics, the Cult Imperial essentially amounts to mystical humanism, right?There are worse things on which you could base a religion.
>>27714768Since I first delved into the lore, I've been obsessing over 40K for more than a year now. As long as you keep it out of your social life (save for occasionally venting your love to a couple of your nerdiest friends), I don't see anything wrong with it.I too, have found some real redeemable real life inspiration from the lore as tattoo-dude did. Namely in the profound selfless sacrifice (their own humanity) Space Marines make just in order to defend their fellow man. Their fearlessness is also admirable. Pic related. And then of course there's the sole fact that mankind lives on in such an extremely dark universe despite such incredible odds. Other than that, there is not much that I would recommend modeling your life after. The Imperium is a pretty fucked up, oppressive place and the Emperor's word, like Earth Jesus', has been distorted over time according to the lore. In a lot of ways, the Imperial Cult can be viewed as a critical commentary on Christianity. The story arc of the lore itself more or less mirrors the Fall of Rome and the preceding "dark ages." It's a regressive universe and not meant to be something we model our own on.
>>27714768It's OK OP, most people feel fascination for the Emperor and that's not a coincidence.There is a real God and the Emperor reminds you of Him, because, deep down, you know Him, or used to know Him, rather.The only difference is that God is more powerful and doesn't need to resort to such drastic "means to and end" ways.That said, we also long for a God that does shit because we don't fully understand how He runs this place.You're welcome.
>>27718289I'm Roman Catholic and much of why I love 40k has to do with my faith. Games Workshop has a better PR and art department.>they should work for the ChurchCatholics rocked ass some centuries ago in terms of art and PR, but no longer.
Rolled 15>>27714768Brother.WHERE IS YOUR REGULATION REQUIRED HARDCOPY PRIMER.THE COMMISAR WILL HEAR OF THIS.
>>27718332>God>More powerful than THE EMPRAHSounds like Heresy to me.
I'm really glad I'm not the only one who calls upon The Emperor to motivate myself in my direst hour.> "Anon, on your mark, get set, GO">Jesus christ I'm slow.>1 mile in "okay">2 miles in "pain">3 miles in "I can't feel my feet">3.5 miles in "I'm dying.">Final 150 yards>Start retard run/sprint>Dying everywhere.>Complusive "FOR THE EMPEROR!!">Practically vault through the finish line.>Passed.>No shame in telling them what I said.
>>27714768THE IMPERIUM IS BEGINNING!!!!!!!BRING ON THE WARP TRAVEL.also.. who should we elect emperor? or should we bio engineer one? kinda like a GMO Technocracy
DOWN WITH THE THE FALSE GOD-EMPORER! CHAOS REIGNS!
FOR THE DARK GOOOODDDSSSS
>>27714768>I can't stop obsessing myself over the God Emperor of Mankind and the Imperium of Man.This is the appropriate reaction to hearing the truth of the Emperor.>I'm reciting the Libation to the Emperor prayer and I'm going over a PDF of the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer left, right and center. I've even started working out in a hope to "better myself for the Emperor and for mankind". I couldn't make this shit up if I tried my hardest.Excellent work, Imperial citizen. You will go on to glory and honor in the Imperial Guard.>Is it reasonable to interpret this entire thing as a legitimate religion and continue with what I'm doing?It is not only reasonable, it is expected.You are well on your way, Imperial citizen. Continue your service to the Emperor, and do your duty in His service.Carry on, Imperial citizen. Carry on.
>but maybe this thread is better suited for /adv/as far as the working out part is concerned your better off to /fit/read the sticky and become a true soldier under the banner of the Imperium
>>27718332>implying there are gods more powerful than the EmperorHeresy detected.
What's hilarious is how very different the reaction would be if someone claimed to have done the same thing with the Greater Good.
>>27715078In all seriousness, this.If it's making you a better person, and you're happier for it, then keep doing what you're doing. You should never feel ashamed or that you have to justify making yourself a better person.
>>27718754>implying they two are comparableOne is a bullshit made-up fantasy from a game where grown people play with toy soldiers and spend thousands of dollars on their little game.The other is glorious worship of the Emperor.
>>27718780Also, the Greater Good possesses some strain of moral ambiguity, the Imperial Creed is just flat-out evil. Of course, OP can't really practice that evil because nothing it applies to exists IRL, so it's probably safe, but I still find the difference in reactions to be amusing.
who is the god emperor of mankind?
>>27718802The living incarnation of 2edgy4me.
>>27718793>Imperial Creed>EvilEven if we're talking meta, it's misplacedly good
>>27715523>>27718682>>27718711Keep calm, brothers. The hour of chaos is not yet due, and our triumph will be all the sweeter the more the loyalist scum has laboured their lives away to make their masters proud and arrogant. It is then that we shall strike - To watch them all fall from their high seats and behold their tumble into the abyss.Remember: Small steps corrupt.
>>27714768the golden throne sure sports some really bling amps
>>27718831In the same way that the more well-intentioned champions of Chaos are, perhaps. Sometimes.
>>27718802He is the stone that the builder refused.
>>27718855>Chaos>Anything but the worship of petty, sadistic gods
>>27718877It's like they're not even all that different!
>>27718857He is the visual.
>>27714768Son, you're being crazy as shit. Imperium is some straight Fascist faggotry, bruv. Get good.
>>27718900The Emperor was just a really good leader who people decided to worship and who's church is weighed down under layers of bureaucracy.
>>27718931The Ecclesiarchy is both the most malevolent and probably the least necessary of the Imperium's many malevolent and unnecessary layers. Actually dangerous worship of Chaos could be dealt with by the Inquisition. Certainly there's a reason why the Emperor himself never set up anything like it.
Rolled 10, 4, 1, 5, 5, 5, 8, 9, 10, 8, 1, 6 = 72>>27718877No, no, he's right. Chaos gods have good sides, otherwise no one would worship them. But they drive you mad as the time pass.It's the exact same stuff with the Emperor: his faith teach you to improve yourself and fight for humanity, but you end dying as one among billions or turn into a fanatic asshole.
>>27718943>>27718946The chaos gods are only good for the mad people that worship them because of claw arms and transexual demons and such.The ministorum is just misplacedly good, they believe in serving the emperor and humanity.The Imperial Creed, despite a facitst and evil appearance, generally has the whole 'for your own good' vibe and think they are saving humanity. The Chaos gods are all about personal desire and serving clearly evil gods that demand skulls and rape in exchange for hidious mutations or they torture you.
>>27718997The Chaos Gods themselves don't really care much about the mortal world one way or the other except on passing whims. It's far from impossible for an organization based on Chaos to have the idea that it's acting for the good of the people (although I think relatively few in the Ecclesiarchy care about anyone).
>>27719010Whilst like you say, chaos can actually have discipline and order, I think the ministorum does care about humans in general, thinking that they will save them in the long term with the whole 'break a few eggs' ideal gotten way out of hand.
No 40k General, Do terminators get two power fist attacks (Two attacks in character profile, one from terminator honors) thus 3 power fist attacks on the charge?
>>27719048I've never seen or heard of any priest who cared about peoples' lives, only their money and their not being heretics.
>>27719065>their not being hereticsHe's all about saving their souls in the eyes of the emperor. Y'know like normal priests.
>>27719079Not because of their souls, but because heretics weaken their powerbase and offend their sensibilities. Again, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, but I've never heard of any priest who gave a damn about anyone other than themselves and their power.
>>27714768I know that feel OP.Growing up my folks were on the verge of fundamentalist Christians. I was constantly told than humans were sinful and I was going to hell because I didn't go to church. Then I found 40k and the message of the Emperor. A message that said, far from being inherently sinful or weak, begging for forgiveness, we were capable of great wonders. Our dreams, our ambitions, our souls were bright and powerful, full of potential. That there was a great brotherhood of man, capable of self-realisation, that owed nothing to superstitious sky wizards, that didn't need to bow or scrape or grovel. To apologise for our very nature. We were beings who instead of waiting for the end to come and deliverance to be delivered from on high, that were capable of forging our own destiny our own future up there in the endless ocean of stars.I've come back to faith in a God in recent years. Not the God-emperor, not my parents' Christian God. Something much more undefined and nebulous, but something that I'f I'm honest takes a great deal of influence from the imperial creed, a god and philosophy that believes in the potential and greatness in humanity and each other. A friend I guess, not a master.
OP is okay.
>>27719104That, in and of itself, isn't a bad set of beliefs. What's bad is what comes with it, namely that all other forms of life suck and humans deserve to conquer everything they see.
>>27719092If we're talking real world priests, many of the lower level ones care a great deal. If we're talking 40k, I'd say they still care but are just desensitised by millennia of violence so believe in that executing heretics they are saving other, purer imperials from corruption.
WE ARE STEEL. AND WE ARE DOOM. THERE IS NO FEAR OTHER THAN WHAT THE HERETIC THE MUTANT AND THE XENO HAVE FOR US!!!!!!
>>27719153No, I wasn't going into real-world priests; I'm not fond of the Catholic Church's policies by any means, but I know it has plenty of sincere clergy (including, possibly, the current Pope, which is at least a step up). I was referring to Imperial ones, and a faith defined primarily by murder won't be healthy no matter where you take it. Even the lower-level priests there seem to be inclined to see plenty of individuals slaughtered to win their numbers game. I would say they and the Imperium overall follows the philosophy of "subtract the number of your casualties from those of the enemy and if the number is a positive sum, it was a glorious victory," except they don't even do that; anything they win is worth any price in human lives, it seems.
>>27719131>Not being into humanityworthless
>>27719186Exactly, I said that earlier, they're an initially good regime that let the whole 'break a few eggs' ideal go too far
>>27719228It was never good. The Temple of the Saviour Emperor came to power through the means of slaughtering heretics--note that these weren't Chaos worshipers, just those who had different beliefs--culminating with a war of annihilation against the Confederation of Light and all its followers, for the prime reason that the Confederation was on the ascetic side and it might make the wealth-sucking Temple look bad.
>>27719247Oh. Then, the Ecclesiarchy, after being established, tried to take over the Imperium, slowly succeeded, drove it into the ground, then eventually seized full power and pretty much ruined it completely until a huge civil war was necessary to solve it that ended with the Ecclesiarchy being stripped of all military power (and then them cheating their way around even that).It is pure, utter scum.
>>27719247But they believed they were doing so to redeem the souls of many, maybe good wasn't the right word, but it's heart was in the right place.
>>27719282Bullshit. All it ever wanted was power.I don't like the Imperium. I think the Adeptus Terra is full largely of raging dickholes. But the Administratum, the Adeptus Arbites, the Adeptus Astra Telepathica, the Mechanicus, even the Inquisition... they may all be full of raging dickholes, but what their functions are are at least necessary to the survival of the Imperium. This is not the Ecclesiarchy, which has only ever been a power-hungry cancer on the Imperium.
>>27719186I don't think that's true at all. There are plenty of fluff examples of followers of the Imperial Faith that are shown to be decent and just.Sebastian Thor, Ayatani Zweil from Gaunt's Ghosts. You could even argue Gaunt himself is an example of man of supreme faith in the Imperial Creed as demonstrated by interactions with Saints and what not. These aren't callow or careless individuals.The imperial creed does accept the need for sacrifice and violence, yes but you have to understand it in the context of the time and universe. Unlike for us, evil is not an abstract or philosophical idea. It's an actual force that seeks to corrupt and destroy. Mankind faces existential threats everyday. A key aspect of the setting is the corruption of the imperial faith by many of those in power, particularly the ecclesiarchy, and imperial church and the way that faith is used as weapon. However to say the setting is dark, is not to say that the creed itself is a terrible thing.
>>27715897You mean like the multiple space companies in the US already: Space X, Planetary Resources, Armadillo Aerospace (in hibernation).You mean like what we are already doing.capcha: served fewswis
>>27719322Without a belief system everything would fall down. How would you convince men to literally throw themselves at enemies of the imperium? That's why it's a 'good' part of the imperium, it provides a handy glue to stick together the imperial war machine
>>27719330Fun fact about Thor: not only did he make his name as an implacable enemy of the Ecclesiarchy, the Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes basically forced him into becoming Ecclesiarch under pain of death should he refused. The Ecclesiarchy began as utterly horrible and, after being beaten into submission by the Confederation of Light, the Space Marines and the Mechanicus, was forced into being marginally less so. That doesn't make it a good organization or its existence at all necessary.And existential threats are what you make of them. Demons aren't any more forces of pure evil than Nazis were in our world, they're just an alien, extradimensional life form. The Ecclesiarchy just forces people's worldviews through a narrow and frequently harmful lens, all to maintain a grip on power.
>>27719394There's a gap of light-years between "belief system" and "corrupt plutocracy forcing worship at gunpoint." Maybe the Guard should update its doctrine some so it's throwing fewer soldiers away.
>>27719433One word, overpopulation
>>27718332Yaveh/Jesus/God is just a minor warp god or maybe a Demon Prince of Khorne. He's got nothing on the big players.
>>27719578I actually was considering placing a True Last Church of Christianity somewhere in DH, for the players to run into.
>>27718346Real catholics wouldn't waste their time thinking about and playing with toy soldiers praising a false idol. Cafeteria christian detected.
>>27714768>filled with the Emperor's fevor>a bad thing
Perhaps the idea of a universe where God exists in tangible form but is still potentially as omnipotent and omniscient as you want him to be appeals to you. Remember that for the average person in the Imperium the Emperor's existance is only bearly more objectively provable than the existance of God is in the real world.
>>27719649Well, a tiny ability to do so is still infinitely better than none at all.
>>27715804Slippery Slope, Anon. Soon you really will be a diehard Nazi
>>27714768>Not having a physical copy of the Imperial Infantryman's Handbook to consult at all times.
>>27715088espacial that one called athiesm
>>27719092The priest on earth in the 4th or 5th ragnar blackmane book seems like he was straight up looking out for the downtrodden masses and no-one batted an eyelid about it like he was unique or anything.
>>27715897>I guess civil wars can still happen, but for the most part, no more wars, because everyone's on the same side.For humans, no matter what, there will always be Us and Them.
>>27719322You're thinking like the Emperor before the heresy. Attempting to root out the Imperial Creed would probably yield the same results.
>>27720316The second and fourth both had priests who were okay dudes.
>>27718724this guy gets it
>>27714768This situation reminds me of the people on /ksg/ who try to improve themselves based on trying to make themselves more acceptable in the eyes of their waifu.If it improves yourself, who the hell cares about the reasons?
>>27718919>fascist0/10 read more fluff
>>27719411> Demons aren't any more forces of pure evil than Nazis were in our world, they're just an alien, extradimensional life formWow, glad to know you see so much humanity in soul-devouring, malicious, extra-dimensional beings who have no whose sole desire is to inflict suffering and pain and have no family or friends.
>>27714768God-Emperor on your throne,hallowed be your name,Your Imperium come,your will be done,on Terra and beyond.Give us today our daily rations,Purge us of our sins,as we purge those who sin against us.Lead us once more through the stars,deliver us from evil.For the Imperium,its armies and its glories are yours.Now and Forever.Ave Imperator.
>>27731313>on Terra and beyond.>not on Terra as it is in the Warp
>>27731339>Implying the Emperor's dominion is restricted to a single planet and one plane of existenceBLAM>mankindg maintain
>>27718754Yeah, one is giving healthy food to starving orphans, and the other is getting them hooked on crack. There's a difference Anon.
I see a potential heretic amongst you corpse worshippers.Everything you can dream of can be acheived with chaos.Hell even the Emperor built his imperium and created his 20 sons through the chaos powers, so bow down in slavish obedience and sell your souls to amalgam with the dark gods and receive free cake!Emperor doesnt have cake, he has starvation. We have a world made of cakes, rivers of chocolate and honey, mountains of icecream, all for the price of uniting with the great gods when you die.Sounds like a fair trade, if you ask me.
>>27736537That made Horus sing the blues.
It's not that surprising. In spite of its Catholic/Anglican window-dressing, the ethics of the Imperial Creed are a throwback to the ethics of Ancient Grecco-Roman religion and also partially Aristotelian virtue ethics. The latter has seen a resurgence in recent years even amongst academic ethicists.This is all as opposed to Judeo-Christian (and Islamic) ethics, and theories informed thereby (e.g. Kantian deontological ethics), which often seem inconsistent with what modern society encourages us to do. Most importantly, modern (Western) society encourages what I will generously call self-development, fulfillment or excellence (Aristotle's arete) and this is often at odds with the selflessness and even self-sacrifice encouraged by the world's dominant monotheistic religions (and Eastern religion as well, especially Buddhism). However, modern--again, Western--society is deeply entwined in the legacy, at the very least, of Judeo-Christian ethics and so we come up with the unsatisfactory solutions of either trying to warp Christianity to conform to modern social norms and expectations (cf "megachurch" motivational evangelism, "God wants you to be rich" etc., vs. the Gospels' "Truly, I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven", the general poverty and altruism of Christ etc.), or rejecting it.It seems to me that you just happened to find a way of rejecting it (and a positive--in the strictest sense of the word--alternative) in a fictional religion rather than a real one.
>>27718724Yes carry on, make sure you would do anything to uphold those values, by any means necessary, make small concessions as you will and make the mistakes that you are prone to.One by one the facade of your false faith will fall, each mistake, each failure, each gain, each success, it will reverberate, subtly forge your mind and when the time comes you will turn your face from your beloved corpse and you will spit on the throne you were bound to obey.You will break the pacts and sigils of your past as you return to the consuming bosom of the dark gods as your soul immolates eternally joining the entity of the gods.You are destined to be a champion of chaos, anon. That is all you ever were, a god spawn...or is it gods pawn?
>>27714768It is a hope we all have, brother.We all hope someday within our lifetimes, the Emperor will come to save us and deliver us from this hell we live in, full of superstition and hatred.
>>27736801Good brother, make him doubt it all so that he slips further into the pit of chaos.
>>27736801While I'll give you that Imperial Creedism is an excellence themed philosophy, I would argue that modern society is more apatheism or a confused maelstrom, then anything like Aristotle.Also I would say that there is no inheritant contradiction between Virtue ethics and Christianity [a statement that should go without saying]. The lemon-sucking, life-sucks, don't bother improving yourself aspect of some Christian philosophies, is a heresy [no joke intended]. The Bible taught temperance not asceticism, strength in mind and body [not sappish harmlessness], and a strong moral disposition.That said, welcome to the thread philoso-Anon.
>>27715243Death for God is the greatest death you could wish for. Anything other death is heresy and should be punished
>>27715308Tell me you're not serious. The Peace Corps is so fucking high-and-mighty these days that nobody's good enough for them (by which I mean of course, I'M not good enough for them), but they let in unbalanced tattooed degenerates who can't tell fantasy from reality. Fuck. Sorry anon, I curse you and your Peace Corps cronies with my last breath.
>>27737070>Tattoo'd degenerate>a guy who draws inspiration in the words of the Emperor, and uses that inspiration to help peopleMaybe they denied you because you're a faggot?
>>27736894I think it's fairly clear that pre-Reformation, Christian ethics and Jewish ethics as well are fundamentally teliological, whereas virtue ethics is fundamentally not, so I don't see how they're compatible.As to Christianity, if Christ is to be one's exemplar, then it's true that it doesn't encourage asceticism or fatalism in the least, but it also clearly encourages nigh-absolute selflessness--just active selflessness. If I were, for example, to be as Christ-like as possible, I would forsake all my earthly possessions, giving them to the poor, and depend upon charity in turn whilst spreading the Good Word. This is obviously blatantly incompatible with modern industrial life, unless you want to starve to death. Add to that that the final note in the life of Jesus and the cornerstone of the New Covenant was the ultimate act of self-sacrifice, not to mention all the pacifism and exultation (spiritually) of the poor, suffering, and "meek" evident in the Gospels, and you can see the problem. Judaism and Islam, I think it can also be said, are inherently about submission to the will of God as demonstrated by acts (in fact, this is the literal meaning of the word "Islam"). They also reject, as you can see pretty clearly at least in Psalms and Solomon (though granted that these are later, yet they don't contradict earlier Judaic scripture in my assessment), any great deal of concern with one's "lot in this world" (i.e. temporal wealth, social status etc.) as immoral and blasphemous. If God commands that one act in a manner that seems to run contrary to that dictum, well, that's just submission to the inscrutable divine will.And if asceticism is heresy I think the Cistercians (and really any non-mendicant Holy Orders) and by extension the whole Church would like a word with you. Heretic.
>>27737080Or maybe Chaos has already won.Give into it.
>>27737080There are so many better choices than following a grimdark joke creed and branding yourself with GW's trademark. How about stoicism, Buddhism, or even Catholicism? They're a hundred times deeper and they're rooted in actual history and rich with stories of real life courage, strength, and virtue, not fake, over-the-top crap made up to sell to thirteen-year-old boys. You're right that I suck. I know I'm worthless. My problem with the Peace Corps is that they used to take worthless people and give them a chance to make something of themselves. Now, you can forget about it unless you already have made something of yourself.
>>27718678>The Dark Age of Technology is beginning!!!!FTFY, enjoy your men of stone while they last
didnt we all have a discussion about how killing the emperor by unplugging the throne would make him come back good as new as is by his being an inevitable.
Iunno man, I'm more of a nurgle/slaanesh spread-the-love kinda guy.
>>27737287Please go on! How do you get started in construction? I don't know anyone in the field, and I get the impression that not much new stuff is being built these days, but if they'd give me a shot a something better than minimum wage retail shit, I'd love it.