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You are Reinhold, master swordsman and victor of the Royal Swordsmanship Tournament. The King was so impressed with your skill, he personally requested that you be transferred out of the army and into the Royal Guard! Not bad for an orphan who was raised in a brothel in a poor fishing village.

The only issue at this point is your assignment... you've been charged to be the personal guard of the King's only daughter Marianne. While she is the vision of loveliness that you'd expect from a Princess, her personality is... well... she seems to be RATHER unpleasant.

Yesterday, you, Sylvie and Melanie were dragged out on the town by Nicolette. You did plenty of shopping, caught a spy, and bought pastries! And afterwards, you visited Nicolette's place and were treated to both dinner and embarassing stories, courtesy of her mother!

And when you got back, you met the court mage Niklaus for the first time... he was certainly a weird one.

But then you gave the Princess the cakes you bought for her and all is well.

Well, at least all WAS well. But it's a new day, and who knows what her mood will be when you see her...


>Guard Rank: FERRET
>Congratulations, you are now a lazy Ferret!
>Ferrets are cute and rather smart, but they kind of smell...
>The Princess now likes you a tiny little bit!
>But she still doesn't consider you to be a person.

Thread archive:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Princess+Guard+Quest

Twitter:
https://twitter.com/QM_Archelon
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You wake up with a sigh, remembering all the stuff that happened yesterday... though it was your day off, it was also somehow the most effort you've put in since starting this job.

Finally fully awake, you stand up and stretch as you look out the window. Unlike yesterday, you've managed to wake up at your usual time of just before sunrise. Thanking your internal clock for working properly, you quickly get bathed, dressed, and prepare to head out for the day.

>where do you go?
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>>27714027
[x] Explore the grounds. Just wander.
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>>27714027
We have quite a few books to read. I vote for the finances one.
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Probably running for the next five hours or so, I apologize for starting so late but them's the breaks.
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>>27714027
Dining Hall
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>>27714027
>we have got to be punctual today
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>>27714048
This.
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>>27714027
bring the book of Earth magic with us, the go wait for the Princess in our usual spot
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Check to see if our map copies are still where we left them. Consider putting them under lock. Realize we had a chance to get a lock yesterday and didn't. Intensify disappointment.
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>>27714062
>>27714088
We have several hours before we're due to show up.
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>>27714027
Chill outside the dining hall with a book, mull over today's joke.
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You guys must be new here if you think we have to be at work within the hour.
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Whoops, forgot to post the time in the subject field.
It's 6:45, you have at least an hour and a half before you need to worry about being late for breakfast.
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>>27714027
We have plenty of time before we're due to meet the Princess.

Let's go and meet someone we haven't met before, maybe the doctor in this place, knowing who is going to stitch us up if we get cut up seems like a good thing.
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>>27714027
How about an early breakfast followed by some light training?
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>>27714135
see what became of the spy
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>>27714148
What? We eat with the princess and we don't won't have time for a second bath in the morning so we don't smell like ass all day. We're a bodyguard now, not a soldier.
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>>27714027
Wander. Random encounter time!
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>>27714184
Let's go with this.
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>>27714202
What's wrong with a second breakfast?
And I said light training so we wouldn't raise up a stink.
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>>27714184
Oh yeah, almost forgot about him. Check up on him.
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>>27714213
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>>27714237
I bet they don't even have elevensies.
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>writing
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>night was shit and ended early
>come home
>see this
>mfw
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>>27714410
>barely could sleep last night
>get up, go to 4chan
>see this thread
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You don't really have anything that you need to be doing right now, so you decide to go for a little stroll. But before you do, you check in your desk drawer to make sure that map that you copied is safe... and it's exactly where you left it. Good.

With that little bit of (justified) paranoia out of the way, you head out the door and down the nearest stairwell, eventually wandering into a slightly unfamiliar area of the castle. You -know- you've been here before, but when?

"Kyaa!"

And the second your mind begins to wander, you narrowly avoid running into... Melanie?

"Crap... sorry about that. Are you okay?" you ask.
"Yes, I'm fine..." Melanie replies, doing her best to adjust a stack of books that your near-collision with her caused to get dangerously close to tipping over.

Feeling kind of guilty about it, you help her realign her cargo.

"Thanks, Mr. Reinhold," Melanie says with a nod.
"Don't mention it, it was my fault to begin with," you reply with a guilty smile. "So what's with the books, are those for the Princess?"
"Eh? N- no, Mr. Niklaus caught me in the hallway and asked me to fetch these books for him... the library close to his study is filled with ones that pertain to his research, but Mr. Gerhard had these in another area for some reason," Melanie replies.

>be a gentleman and offer to carry the books for her
>offer to accompany her without carrying the books
>wish her luck and go somewhere else
>[OTHER]
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>>27714665
>be a gentleman and offer to carry the books for her
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Rolled 18 + 2

>>27714665
>be a gentleman and offer to carry the books for her
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>>27714665
>>be a gentleman and offer to carry the books for her
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>>27714665
Be a gentlesword and offer to carry the swords for her.
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>>27714665
>be a gentleman and offer to carry the books for her
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>>27714665
>>be a gentleman and offer to carry the books for her
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>>27714665
>be a gentleman and offer to carry the books for her
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>>27714665
>be a gentleman and offer to carry the books for her

It's a nice gesture and we may as well see Niklaus, not like we have anything better to do.
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>>27714665

>Be a gentleman

incidentally we need to get a measure of the man ourselves. He was pretty confusing the other day.
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>>27714665

> be a gentleman

I guess it's time we met Mr. Niklaus...
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>>27714665
>>be a gentleman and offer to carry the books for her
We be a gentleman.
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>>27714694
Last night.
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>>27714705

point of view. Besides, isn't yesterday a subset of other days?
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>>27714763
No.
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>>27714665
>>be a gentleman and offer to carry the books for her
Is there any other option?
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>writing
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>>27714410
>>27714477

Pretty much me. Despite Pokemon X/Y coming out I still looked forward to the next thread.
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>>27715002
Wait, the shutdown actually affected someone who wasn't a park ranger?
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>>27715055
Eh, we've "shut down" like 17 times already. It's really no big deal.
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>>27715055
Yeah, things have gotten kinda weird ever since the FUCK DA GUBBMINT yahoos took control of half the legislative branch...

Its terrifying that the Dick Cheney Legion of Doom half of the GOP has become the NICE and REASONABLE half.
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>>27715055
doesn't Germany still hold the record for longest government shutdown?
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>>27715095
>>27715117
>>27715132
>>27715127

Alright people, cut it out before we're banned.
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>>27715127
Belgium does. 535 days
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>>27715127
Belgium.
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>>27715165
Good point, mods have been in overdrive lately, I'll just delete those posts.
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>>27715132
We just keep spending more and more money. Both parties don't want the other to get there way, so neither will sign the solutions the other has put forth.

The Tea Party is a more strictly Constitutional group. Also, very strong Libertarian tendencies. The media has demonized them, like they do all dissenting ideas.
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>>27715132
>Would that be the Tea Party?
Nah, republicans in general.

>they make absolutely no sense to me.
What? Taxes= bad, freedom=good, how complicated is that?
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"Those look heavy, you want me to carry them for you?" you ask.
"Wha-" Melanie stares at you. "N- no, I couldn't! I'm sure you're busy, and..."

As Melanie stuggles to figure out a proper excuse, you simply take the stack of books from her.

"M- Mr. Reinhold!? That's not necessary at all, I can..." Melanie waves her arms in protest.
"Don't worry about it," you say to her. "Just lead the way."
"I- if you insist..."

Blushing slightly, Melanie leads you down the hall, stopping in front of a large room.

"It's just, um... Mr. Niklaus is rather eccentric, so please keep that in mind..."

With that, Melanie opens the door and motions for you to follow her. The two of you walk past several shelves filled with books, random notes strewn about, and what looks like... a dragon skeleton?

As you struggle to make sense of all the bizarre things you see before you, Melanie taps you on the shoulder.

"I think you can leave the books here," Melanie says, pointing to a table that's mostly clear of debris. "Now if we're quiet, we can make it out of here before..."
"Aaaaaah, that scent... two humans?" you hear a voice from the distance speaking. "A young male and female... no perfume, but the scent of lavender-fragranced soap would mean..."

"...too late," Melanie slumps down.
"My dear Melon, welcome!" Niklaus falls from the ceiling, directly in front of Melanie. "And the male is... ah. The fellow from last night, Reinhander!" he says, snapping his fingers.

>how do you react?
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>>27715230
"Rein is fine, really."
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>>27715230
360 moonwalk out of there. Wave goodbye to "Melon" as we do.
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>>27715230
"You can smell me?"
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>>27715230
>how do you react?

Confused.
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>>27715230
"Reinhander...That actually sounds rather good. I think I'll start calling my sword that. Here are your books."
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>>27715253
This has my vote.
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>>27715244

You know he's going to find a way to screw that up.
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>>27715230
Can we please butcher his name?
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Rolled 16 + 2

>>27715230
How do you do sir
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>>27715230
"i hope you're better at remembering spells than at remembering names"
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>>27715244

This, cut him off at the knees!
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>>27715230
"Its Reinschmucker."

Not like hell temember
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>>27715244
>Just the part he always gets right.
GENIUS.
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>>27715230
We brush it off.
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>>27715260
>>27715266
"...Reinhander... I like it. Perhaps I'll name my sword that. How do you do, Niklaust?"
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>>27715301
>>27715260
Reinhander sounds like a style of swords we could totally get named after us.
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>>27715301
I like this.
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>>27715301
I'll go with this.

Switched from >>27715253
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>>27715230
you can smell the difference between male and female?
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>writing
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>>27715401
One probably smells less testosterone-y.
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any one else think that Niklaus is Nicolettes father? after all the thinks left out and the only character we have been introduced to that could be her father is the mage. there is always the chance we haven't met her father yet but story wise the mage is the best chance.
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>>27715471
I thought her father continued adventuring?
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>>27715497
It's her mother that's the adventurer. I assume the father is doing noble stuff.
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>>27715532
Like research.
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>>27715471
Nah, he's not being foul mouthed enough.
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>>27715471
You're assuming we've met her father. He's probably the King's Brother who kept on going on adventures and hasn't come home for a long time.

Also, it was stated that Nicolette's personality is a lot like her father's, she doesn't act at all like this guy.

>>27715532
Her mother was an adventurer, and her father was a noble, but being nobility doesn't stop you from going off on adventures for most of your life. She settled down a bit, he didn't.
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"Reinhander... I like it. Maybe I'll name my sword that," you say to the eccentric man who stands before you.
"Oh?" Niklaus replies, adjusting his glasses. "I think that naming your sword after yourself is more than a bit narcisisstic, but whatever floats your boat."
"So, how do you do, Niklaust?" you extend your arm.
"No, no, Niklaust was my first pet mouse..." Niklaus says as he looks around the room. "Hm... I could have sworn that I had his remains somewhere around here... no matter," he claps his hands. "So, my lovely Meramera! I see that you managed to rope this strapping fellow into assisting you. Good job," Niklaus says, giving a thumbs up.

"Um, actually, he insisted..." Melanie says, blushing slightly.
"Oh ho?" Niklaus turns to you. "A right proper gentleman! It's no wonder that the Princess hasn't driven you off with her eccentricities."

Ignoring that -this guy- has the nerve to refer to anyone else as "eccentric," you turn to him and speak up.

"Anyways, here are those books you asked for," you say.
"Ah, yes," Niklaus spins around Melanie and onto the table. "These... yes, yes. The biology of crystalline lifeforms is quite interesting, you know?"
"Um, yes. I'm sure it is," Melanie says, bowing. "But I'm sure the Princess is waiting for me, so if you don't mind..."
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>>27715633
>[1/?]
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>>27715573
>He's probably the King's Brother who kept on going on adventures and hasn't come home for a long time.
Nah, she didn't want her mom saying their last name for fear that we'd find out, and we already knew she was royal.
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>>27715497
That was Marianne's uncle, I think. Speaking of which, what color is Niklaus' hair?

>>27714665
For future reference, we should probably keep our copy of the map with us, always. Keeping it on our person is the safest option. No point in keeping it in an empty room all day where we wouldn't have immediate access to it when we need it, and where we can't keep our eyes on it most of the time.
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>>27715633
And naming a mouse after yourself isn't narcissistic?
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>>27715676
Said map is more likely to be beaten up that way, too. Think of all the creases.
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>>27715676
Or we could memorize it and burn it or turn it in at the library for safekeeping.
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>>27715633
>[2/2]

"Ah, yes. Say hello to her for me, if you don't mind," Niklaus says, waving his hand dismissively. "So, Reinwald, about these crystalline lifeforms... they are ever so interesting!"
"Is... is that so..." you say, slowly creeping towards the door.
"Oh, yes!" Niklaus says, grabbing you by the arm so you can't escape. "There's the independent type, using ambient magical energy to grow... and then there's the parasitic type, which attaches itself to things like rabbits and the like, feeding off their own excess energy..."

Niklaus then pulls you down a row of shelves, and points at a tank containing a mouse with several odd crystals growing from it.

"Isn't it just incredibly fascinating!? I've managed to stabilize this strain to manipulate as I see fit," Niklaus rants.
"Um... why?" you ask.
"BECAUSE! What other reason is there to do anything!?" Niklaus cackles maniacally. "Anyways, these things supply their hosts with a slight bost in physical attributes... but for whatever reason, I've never seen them growing on anything larger than a bear. And they're unheard of on Lindwurms..."

"...and they refuse to grow on humans at all. I believe that it's due to something similar to when a plant gets too much sunlight, but I'm not quite sure..." Niklaus says, sounding defeated. "So, what brings you to my humble abode?"

>how do you respond?
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>>27715855

"Just helping out a friend, is all."
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>>27715855
"well i started messing a little with magic too...
know any beginners spells that go well with the metal element? or just a safe place to practice, i wouldn't want to make a mess in the castle again"
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>>27715855
To ask for lessons.
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>>27715855
"I was carrying Melanie's books for her."
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>>27715855

"Some evil spirit that has guided my fate. Side-note, I categorically refuse to be a test subject when you finally decide to try those things on humans."
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>>27715902
this
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>>27715855
Nothing much, Nikloud, just helping Melanie with stuff.
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>>27715905
This
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>>27715902
>>27715909
These are fine.
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>>27715902
What could possibly go wrong?
This
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>>27715894
This.
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>>27715894
Simple and to the point, I'll toss my vote for this one.
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>>27715902

What could go wrong?
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>>27715717
How about we convert it into a magical map that we can summon from earth when needed?

Actually that's a bad idea what with earth magic sticking around so make a light based map we can call up as needed?
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>writing
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>>27715855

Also I vote we call him Niklops this time.
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>>27715855
"Have you tried maybe breed the crystals and see which ones will stick to bigger animals?"

then grab mel and run out.
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>>27715855
Aren't they symbiotic and not parasitic if they make the animal physically stronger.
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>>27716053
She's smarter than us and already booked it.
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>>27716070
maybe it kills it's host eventually
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>>27715902
Yes, asking him for help is clearly safe.
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>>27716110
there's two ways to advance:

the safe way
and
the effective way
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>>27716110
He seems fairly alive, and in possession of all of his extremities thus far.
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>>27715994

>holographic map
that sounds nice. We should ask a wizard if there's a spell that would allow this, when it's convenient.
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>>27716053

A bit too meta. Depends on whether Princess Guardia has the concept of breeding - though maybe they have natural selection already, that's not a particularly hard concept.
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>>27716110

Isn't he the one who teaches Sylvie?

Besides, the King should not be keeping him around if he was a genuinely dangerous ... in the crazy dangerous way, as opposed to regular wizard dangerous.
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>>27716164
>Depends on whether Princess Guardia has the concept of breeding
Yeah, they might think people reproduce by spontaneous generation!
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>>27716215
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip5T89jfJoA
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>>27716053
>>27716215
Of course they do.
Animal husbandry is among the first things humans discovered. This is probably a reason why bloodlines are considered to be so important as well.
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"Actually I just started messing around with magic..." you begin, "...would you happen to know any beginner's spells that would go well with the metal element?" you ask.
"Ah, you're that newbie that Sylvie was going on about..." Niklaus scratches his chin. "It was so cute, watching her gather up library books and helping her out with a lesson plan... it reminds me of when I used to play teacher when I was little," Niklaus says, wiping tears from his eyes. "So, your affinity is Metal?"
"Yeah," you reply.
"Earth subtype, the same as that spirit that my friend the Steel Knight contracted with... yes, yes," Niklaus says to himself as he paces around you. "Metal spells for babies... Fragment Blader? No, that's a bit too much, I think..."

Niklaus stops mid-stride, and points in the air.

"One question, Reinstein," he says.
"What is it, Niklops?" you reply.
"You're not one of those misguided fellows who insists on sticking to his own element, are you? Because that's the most common mistake that newbie mages make," Niklaus spins around and points at you.
"Uh..."
"That grump Greggle's pretty much mastered his own element of Wind, but he doesn't solely rely on it, you see. It's very important to keep a wide repertoire, for all situations."
"That makes sense, I guess."

>[1/?]
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>>27715855
>inb4 one of them stick on us and we become medieval Spider-Man

Also:
>>27715894
>>27715902
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>>27716251

Just because you have the concept of bloodlines and breeding "better" creatures doesn't mean you have the conceptual leap that you can breed *different* kinds of creatures. "bigger and stronger" is a different kettle of fish from "can do interesting things other creatures can't". Just because you have domesticated something doesn't mean that was through conscious breeding for example -- it could be subconscious, almost natural selection that happens to select for stuff suitable for domestication. Cat scratches baby, cat gets swung at a tree, cats stop scratching baby.
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>>27716291
>You're not one of those misguided fellows who insists on sticking to his own element, are you?
Thanks for having someone tell this in character arch. I was really bothered by people still only thinking about metal.
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>>27716291

>Steel knight
could that be our long lost father?

>You're not one of those
uh oh, our sword fetish revealed
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>>27716291
Let's see, what other variations can we make of Niklaus' name?

Niklan
Nickel
Niklock
Niklord
Niklew

You guys got any good ones?
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>>27716323
Same
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>>27716349
Niklice
Niklouse
Nikhouse
Niklaw
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>>27716314
Haven't mules been around for a while? I mean, it 'might' be a possibility. We'll see where it takes us
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>>27716367
Well, not in this world.
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>>27716365
Niknak
Nikrod
Nicky
Niknik?
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>>27716349
Nicolette...

Fuck.
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>>27716349
Nickoloss
Nickelback
Nicklon B
Nickomte de Chateaubriand
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>>27716385
let's not go there...
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>>27716349

Nickelodeon, Nicklejuice, Nickey, Nikron, Nickadin.
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They figured out selective breeding in this world a long time ago.

And Niklaus's hair is black. Usually. Sometimes he gets bored.
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>>27716349
>>27716365
>>27716383
I feel like eventually these will just sound like dolphins screeching.
EEK EEK EEEK EK EEK EEEEK EKEKEKEK
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>>27716385
HE IS NICO'S FATHER!!
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>>27716392
Niklewd
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>>27716365
>>27716365

Niklot
Nikelback
Niklick
Niklump
Nikki
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>>27716367
I mean, with crystals it may really be as simple as banging two rocks together.

>>27716365
Nicloud
Nikrowse

We should probably dispense with this if he starts offering us magic lessons though.
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>>27716418
>>27716417
>>27716412
>>27716389

Guys, drop it. He's probably not even aware.
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>>27716440
could just call him whatever name actually.
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>>27716440
He got the first one. Said it was his mouse's name though.
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>>27716408
She's named after her maternal grandfather.
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>>27716440
It's not about him being aware, it's about how many funny names we can come up with.
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>>27716452
>>27716454

I mean he's not aware HE is changing names. It's like making fun out of a retard.
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>>27716472
What's wrong with taunting the mentally handicapped?
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>>27716463
But they arent actually funny, theyre just names...
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>>27716472
>why are you saying my name wrong?
"I thought it was just a joke you do, so I went along with it."
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>>27716479

It's not amusing to anyone else and makes you look like an asshole.
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>>27716487
trying, being the operative word
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>[2/2]

"As for basic spells of the Earth element... maybe Clay Spread or Uprise?" Niklaus snaps his fingers. "Ah! Shard Breaker! I think that one alters, but I'm not -quite- sure, it's been a while..."
"What do those do?" you ask, having no idea what any of those random phrases mean.
"Hm? Clay Spread shoots clay projectiles. Uprise makes rock formations shoot from the ground. Shard Breaker forms a crystal which then breaks into fragments that shoot at the target," Niklaus explains. "Lots of shooting, it's pretty simple."
"Huh. Then could you tell me how to-"
"Sorry, Sylvie has all my baby books," Niklaus shrugs. "I would write out the incantations for you, but I'm not even about to pretend that your plebeian mind can comprehend the magnificence of my handwriting. Its complexity has been likened unto Script itself!" he laughs maniacally.

"...so it's unreadable," you say flatly.
"To all save myself!" Niklaus replies proudly, placing his hand on his chest. "So yeah, you'll have to rely on Sylvie for all your baby spell needs," he shrugs. "But once you get better, feel free to pay me a visit. In exchange for your assistance, I'd be more than happy to pass on my deep understanding of the inner workings of the cosmos to you. Or perhaps you'd be willing to do an advance payment...?"

>what do you say?
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>>27716561
"Ohgeelookatthetimegottasplit!"
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>>27716472
>>27716479
>>27716487
>>27716493
>>27716498
How about whenever he mispronounces our name, we just >>27715633
>"[Insert mispronunciation here]... I like it. Maybe I'll name my sword that"
Those exact words, each and every time?
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>>27716561

Do we have time? If so, might as well help the professor out.
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>>27716561
"Not committing to anything. What would that entail?"
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>>27716561
"Unfortunately, I cannot at this time. My shift starts soon and the princess is not what I would call forgiving."
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>>27716573
This. Scoot out, before our skin turns green or something.
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>>27716561
Look at pocketwatch
"O gee, look at the time! Gotta run!"
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>>27716561
"thanks, but we'll see later,
i have a princess to guard now"
and leave, not taking "wait' as an answer
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>>27716561
>Or perhaps you'd be willing to do an advance payment...?"
That sounds sordid.
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>>27716579
it's 7:30.
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>>27716561
Ask him what he needs. We've only been there like 10 minutes. We still have over an hour to get to breakfast.
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>>27716561
"I really need to get going now. I can't leave The Princess waiting.
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>>27716599
But green skin makes you 100% more awesome.
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>>27716561
"That really depends on what the payment would be."
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>>27716561
"I am really busy, have to go now, take care."
Bail out.
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>>27716607
>>27716599
>>27716592
>>27716573
Really? fa/tg/uys balking at the opportunity for a side quest?
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>>27716561
"I'll think about it. Not right now, though.:
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>>27716659
Yes.
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>>27716576

Then he'll think we're naming everything after ourselves, since he's probably referencing the same object with that variable address of his.
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>>27716659
Very yes.
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>>27716561
Just to be clear, he's proposing to pay us for our assitance, not to be paid for teaching us?

Also, isn't he proposing we assist him only when we know a bit more magic?

And how are we supposed to keep guarding the Princess if we become this nut's assistant?
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>>27716689
You really need to work on your reading comprehension and deduction skills anon.
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>>27716689
he's proposing that we help him with things as payment for future lessons.
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>writing
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>>27716673
IMO it's still better than purposely butchering his name. Makes us seem less of an asshole.
Best case scenario this turns in to an in-joke between us. Worst case it mildly confuses him everytime and is just a quirky response to everyone else.
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>>27716835
You're acting like he's some delicate flower.
It's fairly obvious that he's just the type of character who has no concern about other people except when they can benefit his research.
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archelon is saying 4chan's down for him on twitter
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>>27716893
It unfucked itself now. Hurray!
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>>27716893
Posting was impossible for a few minutes there.

Seems to have fixed itself within the last three minutes.
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"Er, maybe some other time," you reply, not wanting to commit yourself to whatever he has in mind.
"Oh? That's a shame, I had something interesting to show you... no matter," Niklaus says as he adjusts his glasses. "Well, until we meet again."
"Uh, yeah," you reply with a nod.
"Red red blue yellow... green," Niklaus says, forming Script. "Fade Out."

Your vision goes hazy, and Niklaus seems to simply vanish from sight. Assuming that that's what he intended to do, you make a hasty retreat from the room before Niklaus decides that "no" isn't an acceptable answer.

>where do you go now?
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>>27716934

Oh well. Might as well go get some breakfast.
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>>27716943
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>>27716934
Off outside the dining hall we go. Think up a joke real fast, bitches love jokes.
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>>27716934
What time is it now?
If we've only got a half hour left we might as well be early.
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>>27716934
Outside the dining hall, greet the princess with a joke in magical script

Then remember only we can read our own script and facepalm because it didn't work
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>>27716986

I thought Script was universal and unintelligible even to caster.
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>>27716962
7:50.

>>27716995
It is. Nobody can read it at all.
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>writing
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>>27716995
The good doctor meant he has terrible handwriting....
The good doctor feels that this is fine, because he can read his writting...
The good doctor thinks perhaps your are stupid?
But the good doctor would never say so. Morons tend to get very offended.
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>>27717072
You are a retard.
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>>27717000
>>27716995
Ah well the joke still works
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Dealing with Niklaus so early in the morning was pretty exhausting... and now you're hungry. While you still have a while left before the Princess comes down for breakfast, you make your way to the dining hall anyways. After all, she has yet to get mad at you for being early!

Dodging and weaving through the stream of butlers and maids who seem to be increasing as you proceed, you eventually make it to your usual post by the door of the dining hall and get to waiting.

But this time, you have a pocketwatch to time yourself with!

8:15...

8:30...

8:45...

...and just as you check the time, you hear the familiar chatter of maids, which could only mean one thing- BREAKFAST!

Or rather, the Princess is here!

As Marianne and her entourage walk towards you, you notice that her expression isn't as harsh as it usually is... maybe she's still happy about those cakes? But before you can say anything, she stops in front of you.

"...hm." the Princess glances at your hand. "You bought a pocketwatch?" she says, arching an eyebrow in surprise. "I suppose this means that now you no longer have any excuse to be late."

>greet the Princess!
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>>27717095
Why so mad?
I have a hypothesis about that somewhere.
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>>27717130

"Oh that is not true; I can just come up with new excuses."
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>>27717072
Misaka thinks that the "good" doctor is perhaps confused about what was being said, she says while putting heavy emphasis on the word "good" in an effort to convey sarcasm.
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>>27717130
Roll to intimidate the space time continuum.

Also, I'm new at dice rolling on /tg/, so testing that.
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>>27717144
I am not mad in the least.
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>>27717152
It's "dice+1d20" or whatever values you choose.
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>>27717130
"Never underestimate a man's ability to make excuses."
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>>27717152
utter failure.
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>>27717130

I had an excuse before? blast.

>being almost late
good thing we did not dillydally with Niklaus... then again maybe he could've teleported us here in that case.
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>>27717152
>>27717164
it is stickied as the first thread on the board...
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>>27717130
"Good morning, princess. I can always loose it when it's convenient."
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>>27717130

"good morning Princess, I'm sure I'll find something else soon."
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>>27717130
Indeed, Princess, with this I'll always have the thyme. Which explains the herbs in my pockets...
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Rolled 4

>>27717160
no fucking wonder, I just typed in 2d20
let's try again.
jesus christ my spaghetti
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>>27717130
we never really needed one anyway...
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>>27717173
>Indeed, Princess, with this I'll always have the thyme. Which explains the herbs in my pockets...

GO AWAY AND NEVER COME BACK.
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>>27717217
Okay, okay. Thistle be my last post.
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>writing
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>>27717238
Sad to say i chuckled at this.
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>>27717162
Maybe this? We need to keep up with our quippage, but I don't see a clear winner here.
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>>27717130
I would never be late for you, princess. How else would I get to eat at the civilized table?
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>>27717238

There will be no parsley for degenerate punsters.
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>>27717238

You keep this up and you'll get a fern talking to.
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>>27717259

Fuck, where'd my sage go? Trying again.
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>>27717259

You did not have to juniper at him that way, you know. He might start throwing silversage at us.
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>>27717259
>>27717263
Sage advise
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>>27717259
Boy, I'm cumin after you.
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>>27717173
>>27717238
>>27717259
>>27717263

Reinhold is doomed; his legendary wit has been hijacked by pun enthousiasts.

How worrisome.
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>>27717274
It was mint to be
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>>27717269

Are we autosaging? Is that why my sage isn't showing? Eh, whatever, I can't mustard the effort to google this.
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>>27717290
Punbelievable.
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>>27717290
I know this is a marjoram disaster.
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>>27717304
Sage isn't visible anymore.
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>>27717290
Ha, we won't listen to you. We'll just curry on our way.
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"...so you mean I had an excuse before?" you feign an expression of surprise.
"Hm. I suppose you do know your place after all..." the Princess replies with a smirk.

She and her maids then walk past you and into the dining hall, and you follow closely behind, taking a seat next to the Princess. After a few more minutes of chattering and pointing at charts, the maids disperse.

"...about last night," Princess Marianne turns to you. "Melanie says that it really was entirely your idea to bring me those cakes... so I suppose that I will have to thank you again," she says.
"Um, you're welcome," you reply. "It was nothing, seriously."
"If you say so."

>ask the Princess something
>WHERE'S MY BREAKFAST
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>>27717307
Weve really gotten carroway avent we?
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>>27717304

New sage is invisible, nothing shows up in the email field and it doesn't change name color. I'm saging right now.
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>>27717304
>>27717290
>>27717274
>>27717272

Ok, this is enough. Our witty replies aren't necessarily meant to curry favour with the princess, but there is no need to antagonise her. We'll just look like an utter dill.
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>>27717327
"About what you said the day before yesterday... Please understand that I do not dislike your company."
Or something along those lines
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>>27717327
Ask her if we'll need to dress up for the birthday party.
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>>27717327
I can't think of anything to say, we could ask her about how she feels her lessons are going but that feels like talking for the sake of talking.
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>>27717327
>WHERE'S MY BREAKFAST

Our physician recommend one tiresome conversation before breakfast max.
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>>27717342
This. Its not like I l-like you or anything
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>>27717327
Ask her what nikolaus calls Her?
Mar? Marsh? Marionette?
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>>27717342
>>27717356
I'll support either of these.

For the first one, it kinda did bother me that she actually seemed to think we disliked being around her, which clearly isn't true. STOP BEING WRONG ON THE INTERNET, PRINCESS

As for the second one, it was on our mind yesterday, so now is as good a time as any to ask.
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>>27717342
>>27717356
This
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>>27717342
>>27717356

This.
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>>27717342
>>27717356
These seems nice.
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>>27717415
Well fuck
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>>27717415
Fuck.
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4chan was down for me for a while too but its fine now. Well it was shorter than the usual but there's no helping it.
Thanks arch.
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>>27717415
Well shit.
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>>27717415
S'alright, I guess. We were just going to do that little dialogue and consume, which could be quickly glossed over or something for the next intro.
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For future reference we should ask whether that incident she spoke of yesterday was related to the marconetti agent and what's her take on what slavers might be planning.
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>>27717415

The climatic instability of 4chan has made the Archelon genus an endangered bred. New sighting will probably not come until the dawn of a new, less chaotic era.

Maybe we could have an enlightened discussion on ou future plans? Though letting the thread quietly die is also an option, I suppose.
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>>27717415
Fuck you moot.
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>>27717446
Keep guarding the princess, improving our swordsmanship and learning more magic?
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>>27717498
That's brilliant plan! I support it.
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>>27717498
I'd agree, but don't go all out on the magic. Learn enough to be useful defensively and a few utility spells, and to identify and counter enemy spells. Other than that, focus on the blade.
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>>27717342
>>27717356
>>27717498
Now we're more or less ready for a 2 week timeskip
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>>27717596
He said he'd do it some time after we finish this day.
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>>27717498
>>27717549

Yeah, yeah.

But do we focus on magic, drawing, lifting, fencing, reading, or whatever else strike our fancy?

Are we really able to do those things when we have, y'know, a job?

What kind of spells should we focus on, for better bodyguarding?

How should we act during that whole ball thing?

And most important of all, what do we do of Sylvie and Nicolette? They're starting to become the closest friends we have here, even though each one of us have duties.. And at least one of them like us, after a very short time spent together.

The thing is, I think we should focus a bit more on something tangible. Obviously I'm overthinking it a tiny bit, but y'know...

Ideally, what should Reinhold have done during the upcoming timeskip?
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>>27717587

I'd say the longevity itself is an argument to not put magic below sketching in our priority list. I'd say divide the effort equally between swording and casting.
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>>27717621
>Ideally, what should Reinhold have done during the upcoming timeskip?
Demolished a dozen training dummies, collected a map of bruises from sparring, drained his mind to emptiness from practicing sparkle shine, worked on his abs, and feasted upon his own body weight in TURKEY LEGS. This sounds about right.
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>>27717621
Well ideally training, learning some spells to protect the princess, and learning how to act at the party so we don't make a fool out of ourselves or cause an incident.
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>>27717638

Put in a few more varied spells though. Conjuring a stone (or metal) wall between a princess and a threat, imbuing our weapon with various elements in case of encountering an adversary vulnerable to such, silencing spell for those less than elite spellcasters, stone-throw to knock them out or a conjured blade for when we find ourselves disarmed.
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>>27717621
Learned a couple basic combat spells, especially any that are potent in combination with getting close to people and stabbing them in the face, focus on it adding to our swordsmanship over being its own focus. Self-enhancement spells are useful as are ones that shield Marianne.

Highest focus on swordsmanship, second on magic, and we draw and read to unwind.

During the ball we stay calm, don't make any big ripples, avoid causing any international incidents, and listen and observe more than we talk.
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>>27717621
I'd say focus on improving anything that lets us identify threats to the princess and at the moment Magic is probably going to be the best help there.
During the ball we'll act as the princess commands, or should something go wrong, as she needs. We're a guard first and a person second when it comes to making sure she's safe, and at a big diplomatic event we're going to need to make sure she's safe.
As for Sylvie and Nic, we've still not known either long enough to do anything and even then I don't see Rein as being proactive about it, or even being aware of his own feelings if he has any. He's probably more than a little emotionally stunted because of his loving childhood. I say we just take it slow there.
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Aaaand this is why I was against Reinhold learning magic in the first place.
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About the spells. We should first learn some detection spells and protection spells. Anyone has any suggestions for a good detection spell? For protection someone suggested last thread that we learn to make 2x2x2 room with three sides and top closed, i think that would be a good protection for princess when needed.
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>>27717708

Tough break. Without magic Reinhold would have been crippled and borderline useless as a royal bodyguard, seeing how commonplace magic is in the setting and how every single named PC with any combad training is capable of using it.

Turning PC into a "pure" swordsman relying only on magic-resistance gear would have been silly.
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>>27717753

I'd rather not lock her in a box. She's liable to have skills of her own, she might suffocate and it would limit her capacity of escape.
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>>27717775
>three sides and top closed
>not lock her in a box.
You are not locking her in a box. It's one side open. It's so we can assure her safety by guarding one entrance intead of guarding against attacks that may come from all directions.
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>>27717812

Oh, okay. I misread. Sorry.
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>>27717753
I think being able to cast stoneskin would be a good idea and it takes advantage of our element. We just need to see if we can cast it on other people.
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>>27717858
>Stoneskin
>Metal element turns stone spells to metal
>We Colossus now
>Fastball Special the Princess to safety
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>>27717327
>>27717356
>>27717374
This two
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>>27717858
But going from the explanations so far, when you create something with magic it doesn't just disappear when you are done. So stoneskin doesnt sound like such a good idea to me.
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>>27718133
I'm like 101% sure that stoneskin doesn't permanently turn you to stone when working as intended. Its a pretty big logical jump to go from "matter created with magic is persistent" to "the transformation is permanent, have fun living life as a golem".
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>>27718149
>I'm like 101% sure that stoneskin doesn't permanently turn you to stone when working as intended
That much is obvious but that is not the problem though. The problem is if the stoneskin can work as it's intented in this universe.
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>>27718182
I don't see why you would even consider that it can't...

If it didn't work, people wouldn't cast it, because unless you're a crazy man then permanently turning yourself into a stone golem is dumb, and Lewd Mage probably would have mentioned that teeny tiny fact when she mentioned the spell.
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>>27718182
>>27718149
>>27718133
Earth, metal and ice magic takes form as physical things that remain there, so I'm not sure about stone skin. However only one way to find out right?
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>>27718208
I'd imagine it makes one hell of a mess when we "shed" it.
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>>27718133
>>27718149
>Reinhold accidentally turn the Princess into an elemental spirit of Earth
>She is now infertile
>Chaos everywhere
>Reinhold on the run, hated by everybody
>decades later, they realize the Princess is fully immortal
>but the situation is too awkward, so they just say the court mages made it so
>Reinhold grow old alone, never realizing he just brought back those elemental lord guys to power
>The Princess can't even schilck herself over her hateboner
>It drives her mad with frustration
>She runs away, find Reinhold, and rape him to death
>She's found and brought back, nobody has any idea why she seems to be even more dead inside
>The End, forever


>>27718238
>"D-don't look!"
>she's half-naked, getting dust everywhere
>it's still highly effective
>you have to do it everyday, and she has to swallow her pride
>she hates you
>you gain the rank of Skunk
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>>27718204
>Lewd Mage probably would have mentioned
I dont remember her mentioning that spell, so...Yeah...
It may be a good spell to learn.
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>>27718149
In pathfinder system, "Stoneskin" is a simple but powerful defence buff that negates a set amount of damage you take.it does NOT turn you into stone. That elemental Body (sub set Earth) that can do that.
>>27717927
i still prefure the Iron Man verion. it looks cooler.
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>>27718418
Yeah, when we were talking about stuff Metal could do, one of the things she said was "yeah, Stoneskin becomes Metalskin, its pretty sweet, yo".

Obviously I paraphrased, but that was the gist of it.
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>>27718435
>In pathfinder system
We are not in pathfinder system though. The whole point of the arguement is that if it would work in this universe as intended. >>27718133

But >>27718204 later said Sylvie said that there is a spell called "stoneskin" so that confirms it exist in the universe. It may or may not be identical to patfinder skill.
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>>27718133
You could cast stoneskin and later some of those fancy-explodeintoshards spells to take off your literal stone skin. There, problem solved.
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>>27717327
>ask the Princess something

"so were you expecting her to have a boy then? I bet you wanted to be able to hold the child for a bit didn't you?
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Will he be back in this thread?
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Guys,

You know what Nikoldikol told us, right?

>THE BIGGEST MISTAKE NEWBIES MAKE IS STICKING TO THEIR AFFINITY ELEMENT

We know sparkle shine now, hop to something else of moderate skill strength, like maybe summoning water or healing.

Not making giant fuck-off steel walls. We aren't going to be able to do that, at best we can make some bright glitter right now.

We should progress slowly because otherwise we're never going to be good at it.
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>>27719767
Johny is kil
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>>27719792
this

walk before you run
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>>27717927
>We roll natural 1
>The metal skin is now permanent
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on the subject of magic, are we started doing our magic training while we are practicing our swordsmanship? so we can get used to multitasking with magic and sword?
so
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>>27719980
Not specifically singling you out, but you just highlighted a serious thought problem that most of the players in this thread keep missing:

All Reinhold knows how to do right now is summon an orb. Not even a useful orb, a little blip of light. like a firefly. He can't even envision the possibilities for spell combos and sword synergies, the most combat-effective thing he knows about is the guy who apparently could turn into metal, which he learned from Sylvie

This is just like what happened when it was decided his affinity was metal. Everyone wanted him to intuitively know advanced metalworking, chemistry which I'm pretty sure this society doesn't even realize exists, and materials science. Reinhold isn't that bright of a guy, he's a charmer and swings a mean sword but he isn't someone who can immediately piece together things that we find inherently obvious.

Which is why we need to stop this silliness about becoming a swordmage when we barely even grasped the beginner level basics. We need to do exactly what Niklaus told us to do, and that's experiment outside our element on things that are equally as trivial as sparkle shine. Like maybe summoning dust, or water, or maybe learning how to create smoke. Or maybe learning how to start a fire. Then maybe then we can start doing both while swording.

Until then, Reinhold isn't a genius. one thing at a time.
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>>27720052

We dont even know spells of our affinity I dont think it's smart going for other branches, it's easier to cast spells related to your element rather than others, so the most obvious choice is sticking to earth/steel until we're a moderate mage, then we can think of other elements.
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>>27720052
This is a thought problem that most quests on /tg/ have.

If it wasn't metal, it would be /tg/ trying to convince archelon how easy it would be for Reinhold to "accidentally" discover gunpowder. Like every other not-modern quest.
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>>27720154
>Earth spells gone wrong
>Creates gunpowder

There you go, there's a way.
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>>27720140
>"One question, Reinstein," he says.
>"What is it, Niklops?" you reply.
>"You're not one of those misguided fellows who insists on sticking to his own element, are you?

>Because that's the most common mistake that newbie mages make," Niklaus spins around and points at you.


He wasn't just pointing at Reinhold you know

He was pointing at you

>>27720195
>Makes black sand that burns when ignited
>"Wow, what a useless, flammable mess, I'm sorry Sylvie"

This is what would happen.
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>>27720216
>It makes sparkles
>He's dumb, he likes sparkles

There you go, that's how he likes it.
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>>27720052
I agree, we hamstrung our development here

Especially because every time we meet Sylvie it's "WHAT KIND OF EARTH SPELLS MAKE ME INVINCIBLE??" and not "What spell should I be learning next?"

See, if we asked the latter question instead of the former every time, we would probably know two or three different kinds of weak spells. We wouldn't have metal skin but we would be able to do more than just make a little bead of light.

And several spells > one spell.
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>>27720581
We're a swordsman. One good spell > several spells.
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>>27720596
You can't learn algebraic formulas before you learn basic math.

Well... you CAN... but your learning process will be wildly inefficient compared to if you just learned them in a normal order like a regular person.
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>>27720627
You're far better of focusing on what you're better at than being a jack of all trades. Combat-enhancing earth spells > a buttload of spells.
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>>27717664
>>27717677
>>27717697
>>27717708
>>27717753
We're struggling with the kiddy stuff right now. We should focus upon strengthening our magic reserves and eventually (maybe probably?) learning some simple earth stuff that may help us perform our job.

Swording is and should always remain our top priority.
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>>27720688
+1
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>>27720596
One magic dot < Several light spells

We aren't going to be throwing lightning, rock, and fire after learning one spell.

We signed up to be a swordmage when we agreed to learn magic the first time, because we thought we were going to get something out of it. And we should learn it the proper way.
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>>27720688
>Swording is and should always remain our top priority.
None of the quoted posts says otherwise. They are discussing what spells we should learn, that is not putting magic before sword.
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>>27720720
Which is starting with your own element since it's been said it's easier.
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>>27720596
>We're a swordsman

As far as I can tell, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Have we met a powerful swordsman who DIDN'T also know a wide array of spells?
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>>27720787
Not that we know of. I think.
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>>27720688
>We're struggling with the kiddy stuff right now.

Kind of like when you learned to count right? You shrugged off counting with your hands and jumped right into advanced algebra.

...Or you didn't. We right now maybe know how to count with our fingers. We know what script is, we know what spells are, we know how to cast one spell.

What you're suggesting is that we shrug off the "kiddy stuff" like learning how magic works and how we can use it so we can just learn how to throw around boulders and coat ourselves in Iron.

But we know it doesn't work that way, we know because the most prolific magician in this entire QUEST that we have taught to specifically said "Boy it sure would be foolish to try and stick with your affinity, a real NEWBIE mistake that would be".

This may sound crazy to you, but I think we should listen to him. Because if we listened to him, we may even know several pretty useful spells right now. Instead of, you know, only knowing one because we're gunning for a master-of-Earth build.

It's not that I don't like the idea of learning Earth spells, it's that the way we're going about it is all wrong. We either do it the proper way or we will never be as good as the swordmasters we've met who can apparently turn into meteors and have omnipresence. Which are both waaaaaay better abilities for swordan' than turning into mere metal.
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>>27720052
fine, ask Sylvie to teach us that minor healing spell. A spell to simply create a small orb of iron and maybe a spell that can quickly bring an object that is far away into our hand (think Magnets, HOW DO THEY WORK?!?!)
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>>27720883
>taught to

Oops

Point still stands.

>>27720787
There isn't. They all know crazy insane magic, and one of them even TOLD us that the best one of the bunch started out about where we're at. Which means he wasn't throwing around iron walls either.
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>>27720897
>fine, ask Sylvie to teach us that minor healing spell.

Good

>A spell to simply create a small orb of iron

This is where we have this break down. We shouldn't be asking "What is most convenient for us in battle". We should be asking "Which is the next easiest spell to learn?".

Not because we WANT to dabble around in making water and air, but because we're not going to immediately know how to make an iron orb. Summon Iron Orb may be a spell that's miles more difficult than Summon Water Puddle. Which means we should learn one before we hop to the next.
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>>27720883
The keyword is stick. He said it'd be foolish to STICK in that path, he didnt say it was foolish to START there.
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>>27720883
>What you're suggesting is that we shrug off the "kiddy stuff" like learning how magic works and how we can use it so we can just learn how to throw around boulders and coat ourselves in Iron.
Where the hell did I say that? We're not going to be chucking boulders around or coating ourself in iron for quite a while. Beginner stuff is more like chucking a hand-sized rock around (I'd imagine) or maybe rock sensing or something. Dancing sand. I don't know. Simple stuff to practice our mind muscle and maybe startle someone in a fight.

>we're gunning for a master-of-Earth build.
I'd prefer we didn't, agreed. If we're best at earth it would make sense to start with there, but we do need to know more than just that to be educated.
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>>27720932
And by the way, spells like "Summon water puddle" would be vastly easier for us to learn because it won't create a whole bunch of rock and iron for *someone else* to clean up after us. We could test something like summon smoke or summon air or summon water almost anywhere.

>>27720937
>He said it'd be foolish to STICK in that path, he didnt say it was foolish to START there.

Are you seriously saying there's a difference there? He specifically said NEWBIE MAGICIANS (Reinhold is one) make that mistake. If we don't start learning the various elements now, when are we going to start learning them? When they're convenient to us?

Learning doesn't work that way and the best magician just told us that it doesn't. We should listen to him, he knows better than we do.
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>>27720950
> I don't know. Simple stuff to practice our mind muscle and maybe startle someone in a fight.


And I'm saying that approaching this with "How can we best use this in a fight?" is the wrong approach. We need to learn from easiest before we start ramping up difficulty. It doesn't matter if it's Earth type or lightning or water, we need to progress like every newbie mage progresses or we're basically pounding sand, maybe quite literally.
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>>27720932
I'm not talking cannon ball sized orbs, something like a gold ball sized or smaller, THEN use that to practice on with other spells. like learning a spell to make a gust of wind, or magnet pulling (kinda like how a Jedi uses the force to bring his light saber to his hand). ask Sylvie if there is a spell that lets us walk on stone walls and celings like they were the floor? we could get a lot of fun out of that.
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>>27720964
Of course there is you tard, we should master at least beginner earth spells before you jump into something harder than that. It's our affinity so it'd be way easier than fool around with spells of other elements.

Also could you please stop trying to pass your guesses as facts? You're reading between lines as we are so not everything we're saying is automatically right, we dont know the best way to learn, we're guessing as we go along.
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>>27720992
>We need to learn from easiest before we start ramping up difficulty.
Agreed. My main point is that if we /can/ learn something with a bit of utility that would be neat. But to actually progress we do need to learn whatever is most convenient for that.
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>>27721005
golf ball sized i ment. sorry.

anyway, any word from our QM if he's coming back?
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>>27721008
>Of course there is you tard

Stop getting angry over quest metaphysics.

>we should master at least beginner earth spells before you jump into something harder than that

The magician JUST TOLD US that it's foolish to only dabble in your element, we should learn beginner spells of ANY of the elements, as long as they are natural progression of one another.

Do you even remember when you learned math? Did you decide "I want to focus on algebra" and you just skipped things like fractions and ratios? Probably not and everything hinted suggests that this magic system is the same way.

>Also could you please stop trying to pass your guesses as facts?

He JUST TOLD US THIS. This isn't me "guessing", this is me saying "The way we're approaching this is wrong and the people that keep pestering Sylvie over Earth spells are making the same newbie mistakes we discussed earlier".

>>27721005
We don't know about magnetism, though. That is a level of physics that Reinhold can't even possibly conceive. Reinhold isn't going to be dancing on the ceiling as a beginning Earth user.
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>>27721008
>Of course there is you tard, we should master at least beginner earth spells before you jump into something harder than that.

What Niklaus was telling us is that we should be learning beginning spells of all varieties, not just Earth spells because our affinity is Earth.
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>>27721078
well, our MC probably would not know it. but that is what i would describe it as. remember when Nico could disarm is in the next sparing match, and we could yank the practice sword back to our hand before it even hits the ground.
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>>27721078
>We don't know about magnetism, though.
We probably don't, but it's a reasonable thing we could guess magic would be good for.
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>>27721078
There is a clear difference in "only dabbeling in one element" and starting out with what is stated is the type of magic that will come most natural to us.
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>>27721485
And how are you so sure that a beginning Earth spell isn't waaaaay harder than say, a beginning water spell

Sparkle Shine sure isn't an Earth spell, and it's the first one we learned. There might be an entire array of Sparkle Shine spells that we could learn until we learned our first earth spell.
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>>27721510
>>27721105
>>27721008
>>27721078
How about we all shut up and just agree to start with the easier spells, regardless of what they are, and work our way up instead of pointlessly arguing over which spells are easier to start with or not?

It's getting really annoying watching you guys argue over something you don't even know for sure about when it's such a small distinction to a more important point that you've already agreed on.
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>>27721742
The only reason I brought any of this up is because the last 50-100 posts have been discussion about what badass metal/combat spells we should be focusing on.

And we just can't do that. We can't focus on combat spells, we don't even know a spell that makes any real material.

Is it so wrong to correct people before they mess up the quest? It's bad enough the last few times we've asked about spells it's specifically been Earth spells, Earth spells, combat spells, killy spells, Earth spells.

And that's the wrong question we should be asking, that's not even the right way we should be approaching this magic thing, and the QM used a character to outright tell us that.
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>>27721787

I just read we shouldn't focus on more than our attuned element. I personally don't want to waste time learning spells just because they are easy to learn, I just want to learn things we can put to use. I get it, you disagree, but Arch only ever mentioned going for more than metal/earth spells.
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>>27721821

Should focus on rather
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>>27721787
And you made that point a long time ago. People understood what you meant. Now you're arguing with people that actually agree with you because you won't let the idea of starting with Earth spells go. Seriously, it makes sense that the element we have an affinity with would be easier to begin with. You're own argument about branching out and learning other beginning spells outside of Earth also makes sense, but that's the point I was making. You're arguing over such a small distinction to the exact same plan.

It would be a lot easier to just wait till Archelon comes back and have Reinhold ask Sylvie or whoever where he should start and such then continuing such a minor argument.

Furthermore, as a bodyguard who set out to learn magic for his job, it makes sense that he'd have a focus on combat and practical application.
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I think the best thing we could use is a list of basic spells the would be useful to us from various elements. I think part of the problem is we only know the spells that are introduced to us, if we had a list of stuff and said "Okay, we want this, this, and this." Instead of constantly trying to guess about spells when talking to Sylvie we could get a lot more done.
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>>27721821
>>27721852

> I personally don't want to waste time learning spells just because they are easy to learn, I just want to learn things we can put to use.

It's a mistake to try and learn it because "It has utility" the first spell that we learned has zero utility doing anything. Why should the next one have utility, or the one after that, or the one after that?

We may have to learn a lot of bullshit spells that do NOTHING.

>>27721909
If that was our approach, we made the wrong decision picking up a beginner Earth spellbook. We should have found a book of spells even lower than that was and worked our way up to that book. (maybe a book that mentioned Sparkle Shine and spells past that)
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>>27721867
in that case, we need to find Archelon and drag him back in here to settle this. I figured he fell asleep some time ago, but he should have woken up by now.
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>>27721933
>>27721867
It's not his job to clarify every bit of paranoia or misunderstanding we have.

Running to him to solve what should be a player problem is only robbing us of making the decision. Asking him "How should we best learn magic?" is meta knowledge and furthermore is something we could learn in-character if we just asked.
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>>27721957
archelon seems to prefer us learning things in-character, too.
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>>27721957
Did you not read my post? I said have Reinhold ask Sylvie or whoever for that information. It's pointless to keep arguing over something we actually don't know anything solid about, is what I've been saying.
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>>27721980
That is, if we actually ask her that next time instead of asking about Earth spells again.
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>>27721924

The first spell we learned did have a use, just checking our mana reserves.
Here's the thing about learning a lot of spells that we are never going to use, just to learn some that we will. It takes time, time waiting for Arch, time to see if we learn the spell or not, using the spell, whatever. And it's a waste of time honestly because we're not wizards; magic isn't our life, it literally is a tool for the job. We have other shit to do than learn bullshit spells all day. Unless Arch specifically says that's the way we have to do things to learn useful magic, I disagree with you.
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>>27722015
It's just a simple "what's the best way to go about this magic stuff so I don't end up making the newbie mistake of staying stuck in my own element?"

>>27722024
I'm hoping that upcoming time-skip nets us some stuff to solve that particular worry. Considering the rate we've been going already, it would be kind of weird to not improve somewhat over that time.
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>>27722024
I don't see how there is this fast-track to learning magic by bypassing all these smaller stepping-stone spells that everyone else has to do.

The thing that Niklaus was specifically mentioning to us is that we're a newbie wizard, therefore, we should learn it the same way every other wizard uses it whether we progress to throwing fireballs or not.

>>27722066
The time-skip is something to worry about people poisoning the most because it is the time in which we can't change our decision regarding about how we try to learn magic.

Like what if the consensus ends up being "Spend the week trying to summon a boulder". But surprise, summoning a boulder is really hard work for us, then the whole week would be "Tried to summon boulder, mostly failed, summoned sand instead". We had one of these events already before.

Which is why I think when the time comes, "Stick with the lesson plan, do exactly what Sylvie tells us to do" is a far better response to how we should learn Magic over the week instead of hoping reinhold is apt enough to do it himself.
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>>27722116
>The thing that Niklaus was specifically mentioning to us is that we're a newbie wizard, therefore, we should learn it the same way every other wizard uses it whether we progress to throwing fireballs or not.

He didn't say that at all though. Just that we shouldn't stick to our own element and should branch out.
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ITT: People arguing about stupid things
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>>27722189
We're arguing about how we're going to proceed next in terms of learning magic

Barely seems "stupid" unless you just want to talk about waifus.
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>>27722116
He never said that we were learning magic wrong. Just that we shouldn't stick to solely Earth/Metal as that would be a mistake. He even mentioned that Sir Gregory has mostly mastered his Wind element but still occasionally uses other stuff. You're making a huge assumption.

>>27722200
No, it really is stupid. Because it would be much fucking easier to just ask about this shit when we see Sylvie then argue over a bunch of assumptions that are only muddling the original point of what Niklaus was trying to say and what we should do to learn magic.
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>>27722116

If that's what it's going to take then fuck magic, I only wanted it as a tool anyway. But the thing is, that isn't what it's going to take, I can't imagine Arch having such a laborious spell learning system for this quest when we aren't even a wizard.

You seem to be the only one that thinks it should be this in depth, also telling us to not stick to one element does not mean learn every spell. I was under the assumption it was okay to pick and choose when Sylvie was telling us about that bubble spell.
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>>27722257
>You seem to be the only one that thinks it should be this in depth

Have you read the thread up until now? I'm by far not the only one that thinks that we'll end up having to learn smaller-scale spells before we move into the big leagues. Our discussions with Sylvie have pointed toward this and the first spell we learned has no practical application.

And yes, smaller-scale spells might even be MORE useless than Sparkle Shine. It may be thread 40 or so until we finally get iron skin or even summon boulder. Does that mean magic isn't worth pursuing? I don't see why not.
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>>27722257
And btw, I think not accepting to learn bubble shield was a poor move on our part. Because it would at least be another spell. Turning it down means that we still only have one spell. And two spells > one spell.
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>>27722326
Bubble shield is defeated by pointy things. If someone is going after the princess, they probably have pointy things. It's useless.
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>>27722393
It just blocks noise, anyway.
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>>27722408
That's even more useless. Collecting useless spells isn't on the agenda for becoming the ultimate swordsman guard.
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>>27722307

I'm not saying we should be able to learn the high scale spell right away, I'm saying we shouldn't have to spend quest time learning Conjure Dust and Form Puddle to get there. We should have to learn basic spells first, but we should try to limit it to what we need, Like Minor Heal or something.

We don't even know what all the basic spells are though; those super baby spells might not even exist, basic earth might be something useful like Throw Sand or some shit, we don't know yet.
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>>27722393
And so is Sparkle Shine, what is that going to do against an attacker?

But we still learned it anyway. Why not learn both? What do we lose by having both skills?

I can tell you what we miss by not having it: The extra practice and maybe the knowledge of how much more complex something as simple as a big bubble is.

Which is exactly why everyone going "But what good is magic if we can't use *all* of it to our advantage" is going about this the wrong way. If we learn like everyone else does, we're going to pick up a bunch of odds and ends spells anyway that we may never use. I know this because we already have one that has zero utility. At least bubble shield has some limited utility.

So what did we gain by rejecting it? Rejecting bubble shield didn't give us stone skin.
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>>27722451
>Collecting useless spells isn't on the agenda for becoming the ultimate swordsman guard.

This is metagaming. You're assuming that we are going to progress through useful spells until we have a strong selection of Earth magic spells to hold our own in a magic contest.

And I'm saying it's *Foolish* to even begin to think that we can do this when the first few bits of magic we were even offered to learn have been skills that we have considered *worthless*.

What did you expect, man? That we would be wearing iron skin as our next spell? Every little bit that we have seen so far on progression of magic has told us the exact opposite is true. That you start with the small spells and work your way up.

Please think about our magic progression first if you want to do magic progression. If we're just going to be frustrated that we can't cast doom spells right out of the gate then we should just drop magic right now.
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Just ask Sylvie "so whatdo i do next" and there you have our plan about magic for some time. After we are a bit efficient we'll have a ton of magic books at our disposal to choose and learn useful spells from.
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>>27722482
>I'm not saying we should be able to learn the high scale spell right away, I'm saying we shouldn't have to spend quest time learning Conjure Dust and Form Puddle to get there.

Well this may be what we signed up for, it's worth accepting now because what we have right now, what we spent quest time learning, is even *more* useless than form puddle and conjure dust.

It's a very real possibility that we're going to gain a bunch of spells just like that. I see no evidence to the contrary.
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>>27722565
It's not metagaming. Reinhold is professional, and while he likes learning magic, as it's novel, he is doing it because it will make him a better guard. If it doesn't help him get better at the spells he could be learning to get better at his job, then he shouldn't bother. That is his primary motivation, after all. We chose that choice when asked why we wanted to learn magic.

Sparkle Shine is a spell that can be used easily by a beginners and is indoors safe, so it's used to exhaust the magic reserves every night for maximum magic pool growth. That will easily make us better at spellcasting, and is therefore worth learning. A silence bubble that can be pierced with pointy things is not worth the time to learn, unless it's a stepping stone for learning a spell that blocks attacks and isn't pierced by pointy things. Note, the moment we asked, we were told about three useful yet basic spells to learn that may lead to even better spells.
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>>27722673

Well considering Niklaus told us about Clay Spread and Uprise, two basic earth attacks. I'd say we are on the right track. Far cry from Move Dirt.
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>>27722706
Did we even ask if there was a more advanced form of bubble shield? How are we supposed to know that it doesn't become anything else?

My point all along is: "If we don't follow a traditional lesson plan, we're going to end up re-inventing the wheel and make things way harder for ourselves if what we know about magic is to be believed".
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>>27722762
We haven't even been introduced to a traditional lesson plan. All this shit has been stuff we've been thinking up or asking about in our free time. Sylvie has all the beginner books and is doing that for us.
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>>27722796
It's funny because she offered to teach us a spell, and we rejected it because "But how am I supposed to sword with it?".

I sure hope that doesn't become a trend with her trying to teach us spells.
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>>27721909
I'm making a list of the types of spells that will be pertinent to us as a guard and a swordsman. We aren't a mage, so offensive and defensive spells should be kept to a minimum, except those that use a sword as a focus.

Offense: Important against tough foes and situations

A quickly cast shotgun-like spread of multiple shards/bolts of metal for groups of attackers/a high-probability hit/to force the enemy to dodge wide and distract him so we can have a follow-up blow.

A piercing lance of metal (or other) to defeat shields and cover that would block the first spell.

Something explodey. Could make the lance attack explodey for bunker-busting.

Defense: A priority in doing our duty

Wall of metal (or earth) for basic defense from frontal assault

Semi-hemisphere barrier of metal (or earth) for defense from a frontal/aerial assault.

Hemisphere barrier of energy or metal/earth, not for us, but for the princess primarily. If we're caught in a fight with her there, "stay back" isn't enough. There's a chance of the enemy slipping by or another enemy coming from behind. The priority is to secure the princess. Therefore, an energy barrier is best (that is, if the metal or earth one would cause suffocation)

Barriers that block that which would defeat metal or earth. If the enemy can defeat both kinds of barriers, we should be using different tactics for not getting hit by huge spells.
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>>27722877
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>>27722827

She offered to teach us a spell she didn't even know. She said she hadn't even learned it, but offered to look it up for us. I said no mostly out of politeness.
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>>27722877
Supplementary: Since we're a swordsman, this should be the largest category. I'm including both spells that effect the environment and spells that buff or debuff. These aren't in order of perceived difficulty to learn.

Conjure metal weapon, so we're never unarmed.

Buff Strength

Buff Toughness

Buff Speed

Buff Sharpness

Add element to sword

Ranged elemental attack with sword

Stunning blow (lightning?) for incapacitating hostiles/sneak attacks (or the princess if we need to run and carry her and she's being uncooperative)

Earthen/metal spikes from the ground to attack/destabilize terrain (Spell: Uprise?)

Light spell for blinding opponents

Anything anyone else can think of
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>>27723051
>>27722877
I REALLY think it's a bit soon to start making magical shopping lists of things we want.

Would Reinhold even know about these things or have the creativity to apply these spells? I don't think so.
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>>27722877
I forgot to mention that Shard Breaker is pretty similar to the first spell idea. We should be weary of what Niklaus trailed off about, though. "I think that one alters, but I'm not -quite- sure, it's been a while..." It could be anything as awesome as altering trajectory like the Halo Needler to messing with his parasitic crystal project.
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>>27722877
>>27723051
How about a long-range nuke fireball? Never having to draw out sword would be conductive to bodyguarding.

Or reading minds. That would help our bodyguarding.

Or turning into a dragon. We can definitely do our job easier if we're 100 feet tall.
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>>27723105
I didn't know he was mentally retarded to not come up with such obvious things IC after his years as a swordsman and starting to learn some magic.
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>>27723170
IMO why can't we just become a steel golem

A steel golem that fires nukes.

Sylvie will just teach that to us, right? I think we have enough SP to learn it. thx Sylvie ur a bro.
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>>27723202
Nice, I like yours better. We better get cracking on that next thread.
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>>27723202

Top tier bro. "Hell yeah I'll teach you magic" *blush*. Fuck yeah.
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>>27723178
Reinhold isn't a bright guy, he has no formal education and most of his experience has been in the Army.

Why the fuck would he know about *any* of that? Or any idea that magic would make such a thing possible? This is ridiculous metagaming territory we're in now.
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>>27722706
>It's not metagaming. Reinhold is professional, and while he likes learning magic, as it's novel, he is doing it because it will make him a better guard.

You're aware you just gave the singular reason he would strive to learn every last bit of magic he could get his hands on, right?
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>>27723257
Are you serious? Are you saying he's so stupid he can't think up the possibility magic may enhance his physical abilities? Seriously? I'm not metagaming. You just want to play him off as incredibly dense.
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>>27723257
How is "make a wall" not obvious to even the mundane? If you can make rock spikes shoot out of the ground, why not a wall? The shapes variations are utilitarian and should be obvious extrapolation for someone who was in the army. Buffs should be likewise obvious, at least to ask about. Being faster wins fights. Therefore, asking about magic that could make him faster should be obvious. Being unarmed is a death sentence, and the implications of "metal element" should make him think he could learn to at least summon a crude blade. Stunning is often preferred to killing, as he would know, being in the army, so asking for a stunning blow makes sense. After learning that there's a way to make a stone wall and other such barriers, anyone in the army would think "how do you break down such a wall?" It's common sense.

And you're wrong; he is pretty bright. He's just uneducated. There's a huge difference.

>>27723395
Only magic that's either a stepping stone for more pertinent magic or actually pertinent magic. He's not a mage, so he doesn't have time to learn everything he can get his hands on. Only that which is useful or leads to that which is useful.
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>>27723423
>Are you saying he's so stupid he can't think up the possibility magic may enhance his physical abilities?

I'm saying he has no basis to know that magic can even let him do that. It's mere speculation on our part that it does.

Those two posts are a giant shopping list for spells that we have no idea how complex or difficult they are to learn.

They seem intuitive to YOU, you're the one making fantasycraft for him, his expertise is swording things, not thinking about cool metal barriers he could summon. It's all wishful thinking.
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got ya covered
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Poor Sylvie. She just wanted the D and we're only interested in how she can help us become a killing machine. We really are asshole behind our sweet behavior.

>>27723202
>A steel golem that fires nukes.

Pic related.
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>>27723423

He should also breathe fire and shoot lasers from his eyes

Wait you mean he has to LEARN that magic in order to do that? Fuck that. Why can't he just DO IT like any normal person? Any normal person can just shit lasers and nukes, right?

It's like people are trying to play him off as a DENSE FAGGOT that can't shit nukes and lasers.

He can summon gold also, right? Gold is a metal after all.
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>>27723467
He was in the army and it is his duty to protect the princess. He should therefore know what kind of spells would be advantageous to him. He just needs to use his imagination. Unless he's completely unimaginative, at least half of that is really obvious.
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>>27723456
>He's not a mage

Every swordsman we've met that can kick our ass is a mage. All of them. Therefore it is in our best interest to take a passing interest in magic and get as far as we can in it.

>How is "make a wall" not obvious to even the mundane?

Well I don't know, go shit out a metal wall and tell me how easy it is, why don't you?
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>>27723549
I think there's a fundamental difference between those that cast spells and those that both fight with a weapon and cast spells.

If you can make spikes out of the ground, which he knows you can do, a solid wall is pretty fucking obvious. How stupid do you make Reinhold out to be?
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>>27723537
>He should therefore know what kind of spells would be advantageous to him.

He's a mere dabbler in magic, the best he can do is summon sparkles. I don't even know if he's ever SEEN anyone summon a stone wall. He was pretty surprised when Sylvie's father made one around himself.

How is he even supposed to KNOW that he could do that? he's never tried it before and he's never seen it before. At best it's anecdotal evidence to him.

What's happening here is that everyone is trying to twist him into a killing machine using meta-knowledge based on what we know about magic from other settings. And Reinhold doesn't have access to that. _We_ aren't even sure magic works that way. It's mere speculation on our part based on what other people have told us.

It's trying to twist around a rather straightforward system and it's getting old. It's the "WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF..?" of this quest.

I take it all back, we should just shut up and wait for Sylvie's word on what's possible or not, because we clearly have no idea where the hell we should be going next.
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We know of Clay Spread and Uprise, why don't we try starting with that and just drop it. We can learn spells as we actually find out what exists. We aren't anywhere near conceptualize new spells yet.
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>>27723467
You're saying he can't speculate magic can't make him move faster, especially after seeing it create WINGS?
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>>27723603
I've meant all along that we should be asking Sylvie about possible spells. Besides, she has all of the books.

>>27723708
:| Add it to the list. I can just imagine the Princess getting kidnapped and us needing to go in hot pursuit. Wings would help immensely. That given, it's probably really high-level wind magic.


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