http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/27288856/ link to last thread on suptg

i must ask why is there so much hate for logic statements in this?

>>27297018
Not sure. Some people want it to be less computer like. I honestly like the logic statements.

>>27297025
Logic statements?

>>27297018
Because it isnt what it was meant to be at first. The people hating on logic statements are the ones having been here since thread one. Theyve been intruiged by the idea of runes being combined to a spell in an occult ritual, they liked how you could make some terrible magic out of representations for concepts.

Then later, in the fourth thread, I believe, people started to do things like if-clauses, boohemian statements, switches and whathaveyou, things, that dont have any grounds in a magical, arcane mindset, but it became programming with magic, instead of trying to make cool circles, they tried the most efficient circles, didnt use runes, but wrote words in it, added new, angular and connections and shortcuts and made it clinical and ugly.

Which many like, and thats fair, but its not what we had seen. Something that we thought was great for one reason, and had a cool other reason to be great tacked on, is now only the second reason.

So please forgive if Im kinda bitter that the best thing ive seen on tg this year bears now little resemblence to when I liked it.

>>27297046
Sounds interesting. Like to rival colleges of magic with differing theories about the proper way to utilize circles.

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>>27297057
well, the computer-like ones will always be better, of course. Its easier. And the pure possibility of "if" clauses and logic statements takes away the wizzardry a bit for me. FOR ME. Im not superimposing this on anybody.

I just prefer this...

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>>27297068
..to this

also captcha: logical outperv
is really good

>>27297057
It's scientific, straightforward wizardry vs. spiritual, intuitive sorcery. Classic.

>>27297072
>>27297068
Embrace the difference. It'll result in competing schools of thought and a more diverse set of ideas.
Revel in the artistry and the flow of your end of things, and try to prove to everyone how it's better than something that's clinical and sterile through your own creations.

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>>27297068
Really? Easier?
>>27297073
Right? I'm imagining a more scientific wizard's spells being more controlled and less sheer power, and the intuitive sorceror's being COSMIC POWAH but waaaay harder to control.

Gonna make some guesses here:

>>27297068
Cure light wounds

>>27297072
Flashbang

>>27297080
as I said, the people using the more advanced commands will always win. Thats no fun.

I mean, Im not arguing, Im just explaining why I dislike it. And thereby answering a question in the thread.

>>27297087
>Really? Easier?

I fear Ive said that wrong. Of course its more complex and thus probably harder. But its easier to achieve a certain effect with a logical clause instead of making a new set of circles. Thats what I meant. Didnt mean to sound snobbish

>>27297096
not cure light wounds, yes flashbang

>>27297097
Win at what? Why couldn't you take their stripped down versions and make REALLY good looking versions with the runes that are more aesthetically pleasing without changing the actual meaning?

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>>27297103
Ahh I getcha.

>>27297103
What, is it like a healing beam then?

>>27297110
Win if there were two schools in-setting that compete.

And I dont want to make an aesthetically pleasing version of it, because it uses commands that arent in tune with my idea what runes should be. Im talking preference here.

>>27297123
its animating a body. A flesh golem, so to speak. Works without body on other things too, but they dont have muscles, so I dont know what effect it would have

>>27297136
What does the control rune imply exactly?

>>27297159
its a real quick workaround so that you dont just have a body full with life energy, that in no way has intelligence or any kind of mind, so I just used the control rune to handwave the possibility of moving him with the power it grants me.

Runes like life and control are probably really, really, really powerful and hard to get by

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I honestly don't mean to be a troll. But I can't help but read this thread and think of this.

Still, this entire thread and all the previous threads associated with it were freaking amazing. Serious Kudos to creating this you loveable nerd you. I always have and always will appreciate this. Because to me, using magic shouldn't be "oh look, i just created a 3 course dinner complete with silverware, chairs, napkins, and even cute little namecard holders with just a WAVE of my hand!"

Screw that. Magic should be hard, complex and require time/energy to manipulate the power of the cosmos and the forces of creation. If you're going to make a 3 course dinner out of nothing, then there should be little mistakes. Things like mutant silverware or the main course coming to life and attacking a harmless village. Freaky shit like that.

You've just applied Science to Magic, and for that, you have my eternal gratitude. KEEP ON NERDIN' BABY!

Alright guys, here's what I propose:

We build an official /tg/ setting around this system.
That way OP can have his personal setting, and we can modify the mechanics of this magic system to our hearts content.

So what do we know about this world?
>Magical leylines trace paths across the surface of the planet
>Big cities, fortresses, mountain chains, rivers and lakes all run along, or on top of these lines
>BBEGs of some kind?
>Gods are galaxy sized meta-runescripts that have gained the appearance of sentience

GO.

>>27297426
A circle power is directly related to its 'accuracy', the closer your runes are to the 'origin' or 'ideal' the more power they have.

>>27297426
Bbeg could just be some king who's dabbling. He made a massive rune but refuses to let real mages edit or spell check it.

The party has to stop him before it activates because instead of giving everyone ice cream like the king wants it will instead freeze everyone in the kingdom.

>>27297426
tripfagging up.

>>27297456
I love the smell of neo-platonism in the morning.

>>27297458
Sounds funny. I know that was mentioned in a previous thread. Let's think of more hooks!

>>27297426
don't forget that these Runes are powered NY ambient mana but also accept blood or charged crystals as energy. Technically any form of energy can be used if you put in the right modifoers

>>27297482
BBEG is someone who carved [Destroy[Country] on a coin and the players much find him and marr the circleto stop it,

>>27297482

There's also the Glyph of Omniscience, slowly running for milennia.

>>27297482
A natural rune has formed in so and so area. Go forth and bring it back to add its power to the library.

Also magic lawyers and salesmen and all that good stuff

>>27297502
circleto?

>>27297515
circle to*

>>27297505
Yeah but we haven't done much with it. It just kinda sets there and runs.

>>27297523
Ah. Heh, I was thinking you were using circletto to describe a small spell circle.

>>27297505
Magical dead-zone that extends for miles.

Also how does 'Feng Shui' figure into this world? Shaping the way that ambient mana flows through the cities. Mana whirlpools in Wizard-labs, planning buildings to control the flow of the leylines.

Architects get paid a fuck-load.

Does anyone have a link to thread 3? I can't find it anywhere.

Http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/27284375/

>>27297552

>>27297528

...BBEG tries to speed it up or look at what it has gathered?

>>27297552
https://archive.foolz.us/tg/thread/27284375/

Really dig the idea, and I think I've got the basic operational concept (I only caught the third thread and now this one), does anyone have a list of the runes used so far? I'd really like to not have to create all mine from scratch...

>>27297573
Op said he's working on it

>>27297565
Thank you. Since apparently no one replied to this, I think I'll just copy-paste here: since destroying life would be expensive as fuck, what about only destroying the iron out of a person's body? Without iron their blood wouldn't be able to transport oxygen and they'd asphyxiate, I think? Alternatively destroying all of the water inside one'd body could work too I guess.

And would adding the SELF inside a double circle always prevent a spell from hitting you?

>>27297573
There is no established codex of runes. OP wanted to leave that to the individual GMs. That being said, we can make one for /tg/-setting. Also this needs a name.
>inb4 Mosaic2

>>27297583
Destroy is supposedly costly. Why not use remove or move? Hell make it so that you can keep the iron for later use ahit could be mana charged being in blood so long.

>>27297583
Just use exclusion:self in there. using it you can create a point blank explosion which doesn't effect you really easy.

>>27297598
Oh, and still wondering what would happen if you fuelled [Sustain[Death[Exclusion-Self]] with your life force would do,

>>27297613
Tricky. Might make a death field around you might do nothing.

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>>27297598
Like this? I originally tried to make it, but someone improved the rune.

>>27297613
Zero-Sum.

Alternatively gives you CANCER-FIELD

>>27297650
>>27297625
So it would not make you immune to death?

>>27297656
No it just would not cause death. You need sustain life self for that

>>27297597
I think Destroy would be costly based on what it is trying to destroy. Destroying Water would be easier than Destroying Death, the same way as Moving Water is cheaper than Moving Death

>>27297613
[Exclusion-Self(Sustain:Death<Dome)] Might be a better way to phrase it. That would create a death field around you that you're immune to.

>>27297669
Yeah I agree

>>27297656
Ala>>27297683
Sounds good to me. So destroy would work like breaking something down into composition parts.

>>27297699
The way I'd written it wouldn't it exclude you from death, while running?

>>27297551
feng shui in this context is awesome as fuck-

>>27297018
I dont hate them, I just think that they're useless to players, which is what this system was originally intended for. I think it would be cool to have arcane casters know the runes and then throw circles at them as puzzles, but beyond that this whole system is a bit fappy and overcomplicated.

>>27297712
Look up the Alchemical principle of Dissolution.

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>>27297573
this isnt official, but here are some used to now if ya want

>>27297724
Way I read it you may but I'm gonna say no. Mainly because the spell just says cause death not to me.

>>27297644
there should probably be an affect area part, otherwise it would (maybe?) only affect the circle.

>>27297755
There was no [Create] would it be better if the sustain went into the circle containing the death and exclusion?

>>27297758
Or randomly react and just start spraying death everywhere because there is no target.

>>27297751
What ho, Muscle Wizard! Might you cast us a spell?

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>>27297758
I that's why the guy put an AREA there.

On the same reason, that's why I put a rune for PLACE in this pic, so you can take all the iron, including the one inside people's blood, and move it to an area. Although only after I made the rune I realized I could also compress the moved iron into an object of easy carrying, so I decided to just turn the circle into a triangle. A shitty triangle with 5-sides.

Wait... Would I need to specify that the iron will be taken from inside people?

>>27297770
Maybe if you put death. With sustain as the modifier of the exclusion circle?

>>27297790
It should be death, not destroy also yes.

>>27297751
Nice. I don't care about official, just want something to make it easier to just slap some stuff together without having to constantly make up runes from scratch.

>>27297789
I think this would allow the caster to reshape and move iron (That doesn't involve the caster), but it doesn't specify a target, so it'd be any iron on top of the circle.

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>>27297781
YOU WANT A SPELL?

>>27297827
I cast fist heh.

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>>27297781
Would this work or do I need to use SENTIENCE instead of LIFE?

>>27297824
Just add a target clause should be good 2 go

I'm on a shitty laptop and bad connection right now, but one thing I was considering doing is making up syntax for forms of input/output/display of energy or information, and communications syntax that lets you specify using runic or non-runic symbols/identifiers a particular target entity or rune.

Ideas that sprang from this include:

>Bound-together tablets of wax/clay, blackboard, or parchment, inscribed with fields to input information to be transmitted to a particular rune, and another to project in light the information received from that same rune. Basically a form of instant messaging. Likely will have limited range, boosted by giving it more energy.
>Building on the previous idea could allow for broadcast communications by giving multiple runes the same identifier - notice boards, military orders, banking transactions...
>Runes for mana/energy production, linked to long circuit/conduit runes which run through buildings and link to other runes. Alternatively, can run into magically attuned wire. Now you have a mystic energy network.
>Runes that analyze the space above them and store the image, and then project it at another rune, for holography. Alternatively, scrying runes that do the same, letting you see a cylindrical 3d snapshot of a target area, or perhaps just act like a display showing a particular viewpoint.

>>27297837
>I HEAL YOU WITH MY FISTS OF FURY

>>27297824
>>27297841
Supposedly it'd take all the iron of anyone who steps into the circle's blood, though a Target clause should indeed be good.

>>27296986
is this a recipe for fucking delayed blast fireball or delayed fireball trap?

>>27297837
probably. Also, life alone is a bit of an iffy concept, its very abstract, which is why its used as a modifier for energy most of the time (in the last threads, i think it was used twice)

Also, Im not sure,m but I dont think life modifys giving here. I would instead first make a circle with create and life(energy) and then affect it outside with give. Then you would have to create a fist, and THEN you could give life to it.

Wow, its actually pretty complex.

>>27297827
If I were you, I'd reorganize it a little bit.

Maybe create a switch that activates the rune on impact, that way you can inscribe it on your gloves of the pugilist.

>>27297858
its a repeating fireball

>>27297848
I should've used SENTIENCE then.

>>27297865
Actually it should give life to my enemy's fist. Though an army of hands would be... Handy? No wait, it actually wouldn't

>>27297872
ah i see it now.

If a rune just draws nearby energy to cast a spell, how would I make a rune activated by stepping on it? And how would I use it to activate another trap rune?

>>27297908
Make a clause that includes minor impact as the source of energy for the initial kick start. Calling to the next rune with target.

>>27297908
Have a physical piece that completes the circle when stepped upon. Like a trigger on a landmine completes the circuit causing an explosion.

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>>27297824

>>27297908
>>27297922
Might extend the runetime though

>>27297934
Which could just be a minor charged crystal dropping into place

>>27297936
Control target's fists?

>>27297952
Expensive land mine. Or whatever. Could make an interesting missile that way.

WAIT A SECOND
>magical nukes

>>27297908
>((Energy) Impact (Your Activation Magicks Here))

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>>27297870
I dont use if clauses and switches. I like the stuff more arcane and less programming.

just did another one, which Im not sure would work, since im not that good with stuff.

>>27297964
Yes, exactly that.

Also, when I asked about magical Death inducing nuke when >>27297644 I tried the first version of that spell on thread 3, I remember people said it'd be hella expensive but mana farming is a thing so whatever.

>>27297977
What's this supposed to do?

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Would something like this serve as an immortality spell? Or something like "fatal blow only reduces HP to 1" ?

>>27297977
If clauses bother me, personally - specially as they are already built into the system.

For example, I could
>((Create) Light -> [Energy]((Create) Light))
Where "[ ]" is triangle in order to only create the second light after the "energy" part is passed.

>>27297997
I think Death should be double circled, not Self. Self is the target, and Death is the excluded thing.

>>27297997
That's what I was going for with
>>27297613

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I Created a modular rune system for a game once. It was based around the use of circles which gave a purpose to runes placed within them (Ie summon circle, with runes of flesh, feline, giant, would summon a tiger).

I could post the stuff related to it if you want.

>>27297977
I understand, but I'm saying that according to the principle of runetime, that would activate when you finished the circle and blow up in your face.

>>27297997
This is weird. We've never thought about an 'ANY' concept. It basically programs an "IF/THEN" statement into a rune... Hmm. Should work though, it would seem.

>>27298002
Yeah, that doesnt bother me then. Lets rephrase it this way: I dislike stuff that makes my circle look less impressive. Dont want to come off as douchy.

>>27297995
No guesses? So convoluted?

>>27297997
See>>27297613

>>27298028
>I understand, but I'm saying that according to the principle of runetime, that would activate when you finished the circle and blow up in your face.
Oh fuck, does it? What do I have to do to fix it?

>>27298034
>I dislike stuff that makes my circle look less impressive. Dont want to come off as douchy.
Exactly my feeling. I like it looking like crazy complex counter-intuitive arcane moonspeak. Feels like magic should be that way.

>>27297977
Backwards vision?

>>27298028
>>27298046
just looked it over, and since there is no "release" rune, it doesnt blow up at all. Its just a fist of energy, and you only experience energy output when you touch it, a.i. the target.

>>27298028
I came up with the concept because I couldn't think of a way to differentiate "death" (the act of dying) with "cause of death" (the outside influence needed to make you die)

>>27298016
I wasn't trying to nullify the concept of death itself, though. That sounds way too power-intensive. Although, without the existence of an "ANY" rune, that would mean carving circles for each individual cause of death...

...which seems more balanced and natural, now that I think about it.

>>27298010
Gotcha.

>>27298059
okay, I was going for invisibility

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>>27298076
>>27298076
I thought it created a semicircle of light behind a target.

>>27297781
I should stop making these spells now.

>>27298076
Hmmm... I was between Backwards vision and >>27298084

I guess you could use a circle of exclusion in light to somehow block vision - although that wouldn't be so much invisibility as simply pitch black darkness.
Make the wearer hard to recognize and hit, but easy to spot?

Now, invisibility itself... That is a hard one.
And that is why I'm loving this system.

>>27298076

Why not just make a rune for "invisibility"?

>>27297827
>>27298046
Current syntax:

{Project<Target - Shape<Fist[Compress(Create=Energy)]}

The diamond in the second circle is superfluous, first off.
Secondly, this is going to (in order), Create energy, compress it, shape it into a fist, then project it a target of the caster's choosing.

So if you're using this as a fist-shaped magic missile, it'll work fine. I was under the impression that you'd want to ENERGY PUNCH your enemies, which is not what this does. If you tried to use this rune to do that, you'd probably accidently blow yourself up by setting your own fist as the 'target'.

>>27298084
there is no target. I just copy light behind me and move it in a semicircle around myself. Thus if you look at me you look at whats behind myself

>>27298117
Why not just make a rune for "fireball"?

>>27298117
Not that anon, but what is the fun in that?

The fun part is creating all these complex relations out of basic meanings in order to achieve something stable and useful.

>>27297997
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that would kill everyone but you.

>>27298110
No it would make a lacuna or blind spot around him. Useful for assassins its not true invisibility but would be amazing in low light or hectic situations.

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>>27298110
I'm pretty sure it'd involve MOVE = LIGHT in a certain shape. (MOVE [AROUND (TARGET)] = LIGHT)?

>>27298125
Except a semicircle would throw the light tangetially by your side. Check the pic. Red is light. That is, assuming all the light affected by the spell will be channeled through the SAME semicircle and not one semicircle for each beam of light.

And it seems it'd leave you blinded too, by the way.

>>27298171
>try to make yourself invisible
>accidently blind yourself
>can never use runes again

Magic, amirite

>>27298171
>>27298157
>What if we made a spell to manipulate light in order to hit everything -except- self?

Since light would hit what is in front and backwards, but not the user, he would be invisble.

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>>27298186
It's only a temporary blinding actually.

Do you think this work for invisibility?

Be >>27298198
Saw >>27298186

... and fuck.

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>>27298171
>try to make spell better, more clear
>fiddle for a long time
>come back to the thread
>my whole work has been nullified

DAMN YOU MAGIC!

>>27298186
wizzards - not made to last

>>27298198
You'd also only be invisible while on top of the circle. And the circle would have to be as big as you are wide. And you'd need a sustain rune.

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>>27297997
>>27298146

I just became Jackie Chan.

>>27298199
what affects which? Since both are modified, I cant tell which is the inner circle. Thats why I dont modify circles.

>>27298186
>>27298198
>>27298208
The problem is that if you were invisible in the real world, you'd be blind because your retina can't hold the light that pass by it. So I guess anything we try here would have the same effect?

>>27298231
I try to always leave the modified circle bigger than the one that modifies it.

>>27298217
>try to make spell better, more clear
>fiddle for a long time
>come back to the thread
>my whole work has been nullified

Welcome to Academia moarliek

>>27298226
Well, it is almost an invisibility cape, but in solid rock disk format.
7.5/10, close enough.

>>27298234
Yeah... I guess? There is probably some way to exclude the eyes out of the spell, leaving all but them invisible and the user able to see - but that would be crazy complex.

>>27298247
well, I dont know. For runes, you can make edges. For circles, thats not possible. Just put the rune destroy in a circle, modify the rune, and affect the circle with perception.

>>27298256
That's why I think destroying the target's perception of you to be easier.

>>27298261
Sorry, but I don't get what you mean.

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>>27298275
all clear now. Modified rune in circle, affected by modified rune in circle

>>27298295
How about
>((Target) Perception {excluding (Self)})

Although all of these would require for the caster to spot his target before he is spotted, and cast one time for each one he wishes to be invisible to.

>>27298295
Verb cannot be the subject.
You'd want it to be [(Target<Perception) Destroy]

That would blind/deafen etc the target, right?

okay since tl;dr can someone give a link or make a infogram about this cool stuff?

>>27298323
In rune form it would be a noun. It would jsut be "destruction", wouldnt it.

>>27298324
http://imgur.com/a/iIWfw
here ya go

>>27298324
no summary available
content generation ongoing
suggested alternative:
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>>27298340
just realized, no, you are right. The perception would be the focus. So he didnt actually make the bigger circle the affectee.

>>27298340
That changes a lot of shit though.
The way it's written, I think that you would see a hallucination of the target's destruction...

>>27298369
see >>27298360

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I return from my slumber, and I come bearing new techniques and knowledge. Behold: The targeting array. No variables needed. No prepositions needed. No conditionals needed.

Next up, I will perform the impossible: I'll make a chain lightning array using only the very basic building blocks, with none of those fugly ass arrows.

>>27298442
It even looks nice!

>>27298308
I think that would actually destroy everyone but the caster's perception of everything.

>>27298323
My original goal was to destroy the target's perception of the user, not causing blindness but Invisibility.

>>27298442
>Thought/Intent runes

Wow

The solution was RIGHT THERE

>>27298471
In-universe that would be a complex/expensive spell. A ruler would pay a lot of money for a reliable spell like that though.

>>27298442
I'm sort of unsure how that targetting works. I can see the Aim > Target > Project, but what's the Control > Thought > Project for?

Any more thoughts on the setting/world?

Factions? Races? Classes?

>>27298515
Should the setting be centered around the mages or not?

>>27297548
That actually sounds pretty cool. Magical circle is over used.

>>27298497
Basically, Aim/Target ensures that the lightning bolt can be pointed, Thought/Control means that the caster can decide what to point it at. Both of these by themselves do absolutely, nothing, but when they are used to modify Project, they essentially allow the caster to Control and Aim the Lightning at a Target with Thought.

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There was this talk about having multiple ways to activate a rune
and often in stock runecircle images the circles have these patterns on them to make them look more intricate and magical
so I made this, the source runes convert kinetic energy onto magical power for the rune, so if you swing a sword at it it takes a bit of the movement energy of the weapon wich slows it down and uses it to harden the shield

>>27298493
Really? I'm pretty much just making arrays for fun at this point. If you want to use them in your setting, go ahead.

I also made the repeating fireball array.

>>27298515
star and moon adorned pointy hat and bathrobe wearing wizzards of the wizzards university who dabble in the theory of magic quite a bit, but the average wizzard only knows a handfull of runes himself. This of course assumes that you cant gain the knowledge of a rune simply by looking at it. If that was the case, the information would spread like a wildfire.

>>27298542
Oh thanks. That's actually pretty smart.

>>27298559
so you too have abandoned the erune concept in favor of writing?

lazy git

>>27298555
this could also be used for conditional statements
imagine an inner circle making water glow and an outer circle using light as a power source and creating a dome that excludes water
that way you could still carry water around it but if there's a flood it suddenly becomes a water shield

>>27298555
Interesting. You might drawn small circles around each one and connect them to the harden rune.

>>27298559
There is no 'my setting' there is a cohesive setting that /tg/ is creating.

>>27298561
I wouldn't think you could.

>>27298586
>There is no 'my setting' there is a cohesive setting that /tg/ is creating.
is there though?

>>27298515
runes should be hard to come by
A wizard would have to travel for years to find some useful ones

>>27298584
This is me.

>>27298596
Yeah. That's what I'm trying to do here. See >>27297426

>>27298578
At least I'm using a nice looking font.

>>27298586
>You might drawn small circles around each one
I didn't think of them as affections to the rune but as conditions of the entire circle to start running
kind of like putting the plug in the power outlet on an electrical device
it was a suggestion to change the rules but you don't have to do anything with it

>>27298624
It is indeed a nice looking font.

>>27298633
Its easier. You can always replace with runes afterwards.

>>27298602
Or years of class.

Rangers in this world are constantly on the lookout for SageStones (or something similar) that reveal new runes. The stones appear to be ancient as fuck, but the first ones were only discovered a few hundred years ago by a party of adventurers. Nobody remembers how magic worked before then. Society has been totally reshaped since the Revelation.

>>27298731
A common profession for adventurers is to search for "new" runes under the payment of a mage. They go somewhere and kill the owner of the rune if they need to in order to take the info back to the guy who contracted them.

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Geez I leave the thread for an hour and it asplodes....
>>27298541
Indeed it does.

>>27298758
Now I'm just imagining parties being fantasy shadowrunners.

>>27297837

I think this would be "give life" to "target fist" or "Fist target".

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Here is a list of runes

Keep this thread alive i'ma study this shit when I get home

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>>27298442
Hey ! I fixed those arrows in the end!

And I like being able to use variables, it gives you more controll without using horribly rare/expensive runes that misfire if you fail a will test .

"Prepare to die dark lord!"
Spell electrocutes busty party cleric based on target of your thoughts.

Anyway, my targeter ended up evolving into an automatic turret anyway. Chuck it onto a repeating spell with a mana crystal for power and you are good to go!

Alternatively do what i did and make it write itself out on its target every time it fires.

>>27298880
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/27276154/
yoo here is the link to the first thread.

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Aand here is my other main spell, "Improve Arrow"

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>>27298918
Uploaded the wrong version

>>27298947
This one makes way more sense lol. So you'd inscribe these on the shaft of the arrow, I'd guess?

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Well, that was an interesting experience.

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>>27299048
Jesus christ

>>27298847
->

>>27298217

>>27299048
Nested Sustain runes? Multiple creation arrays? 'Previous' runes?

This is cowboy wizardry. Almost cheating.

>>27298977
that would be a little labor intensive for ONE arrow.

You could make this work with traditional D&D magic systems quite easily - wizards have to prepare their spells in a book for a reason, right? Because they're scribing the rune sequences. Then they tear them out to consume the sheet in order to cast the spell

>>27299122
Maybe each rune in the spellbook would have "(LARGE > COPY) = RUNE"

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>>27298555
the shield rune of death does a great job blocking heavy weapons
but the real power lies in hitting an unsuspecting victim on the bare skin with it, the rune will keep copying itself over their entire body using their own lifeforce
their strength gets sapped with exponential speed and they'll die within the month

>>27299172
either the rune on the shield, rather than the shield itself gets hardened or the eventual victim of the killing part gets copied
should ther be a [self:rune] rune?

This looks really complicated.

>>27299172
see this is a conditional statement
IF there's lifeforce near THEN copy yourself

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>>27299242
Three key rules when reading an array:
1) Read from the inside out
2) Modifiers count as being inside the rune they are modifying.
3) The shapes with the highest number of sides go first, with a circle counting as having a single side.

Follow those rules, in order, and you should be able to read the arrays with a fair amount of ease.

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>>27299317
Jesus Christ how horrifying

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>>27299317
Hmmm thanks...

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>>27299048
>Create Cyan Light
>Create Large Sound

So what is everyone using to make these?

>>27299317
>>27299317
Aww you used my idea from the previous threads. How nice. I like.

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>>27299434
I'm using Paint.net. Each circle in an array gets a new layer to use so I can erase fuckups easily.

>>27299434
Paint

>>27299457
Disinfect rune. Nice.

>>27299317
See, this is where it gets very confusing, because there's also been a consensus of runes operating from the outside in.

>>27299513
Wait no. Its inside out.


I feel you should be able to learn any rune you have contact with. As long as its the original rune stone. That way colleges/merchants will hoard stones and only allow students or paying customers access to learn their runes. Also you can get rare ones by buying them for a steep price.

>>27299513
That's silly though, because it means you can't add to an array you've already created.

Imagine the array as a sentence. You don't start reading a sentence from the centre or the end, you start at the beginning. The centre of an array is the beginning of the array, and doing it any other way is just clunky and irritating.

>>27299513
No. The OP post specifies an inside-outward direction of reading.

>>27299562
Wizards today! I swear back in my day we drew runes from the inside out! And we liked it!

>>27299558
>>27299562
I never said it was right. I was just pointing out that some people have been under that assumption.

>>27299613
>some people
It was you, wasn't it, anon. It's ok, it's a Magic 101 error, everyone makes them when they're first starting out.

>>27299613
Fair enough, but those people are wrong.

>>27299635
I'll be damned if it was, I've been here since the second thread.

What about if we don't have a rune for something can we have the circle be empty with arrows pointing inwards using a piece of what we mean?

Like say I don't have stone can I put a rock there using a special circle that indicates whatever is inside it?

>>27299689
>second thread
>not being part of FIRST THREAD MASTERRACE

>>27299742
I plan on having weekly Tsg rune duels once this is ironed out.

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You put this rune in your spellbook, and when you have to use it you'll copy the inner rune into the ground. It's supposed to kill everyone but you in an area making their life force dissolver into the environment, powering the rune and killing someone else until everyone/thing around is dead.

>>27299742
FIRST THREAD MASTERRACE ASSAMBLE!

I MADE THE THIRD EVER SPELL!

>>27299756
I would love that.

>>27299730
That would allow you to use some spells without the required noun rune but wouldn't work as well or be as versatile as the real rune.

>>27299832
On phone or I would draw what I mean

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>>27299818
Still here.

>>27299768
Why the control rune in the outer circle? So you can stop it?

>>27299756
As long as it adheres to the original rules, instead of all this newfangled "I couldn't solve the problem, so I just made up a new rune/new rule" practice people are doing. The whole point was that it WASN'T user-friendly. You had to work around the issue in more creative ways. Heaven forbid magic requires you to work your brain.

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>>27299832
>>27299730
Basically this

>>27299907
Because then I can choose where to paste the inner rune like this
>>27298442

>>27299925
Eh I think that kind of eliminates the need for runes. The point of them is that they embody a certain facet of the universe, be it an object or process etc. It also eliminates the need for a mage to explore more of the universe to find new runes.

>>27299924
Yeah, that was the main thing I had against adding prepositions and conditionals. People wanted chain lightning, but said it was impossible so they decided to add a bunch of rules.

So I said fuck that and made Chain Lightning without their fancy programming jazz. It *is* possible, just requires a bit of lateral thinking.

>>27299768
You need to modify area with target, else it's just going to slap it down right on top of you regardless of whether you're controlling it or not.

>>27299967
I'm thinking as an in game mechanic. Obviously it wouldn't be permanent or work anywhere near as well as the rune. And it would probably triple the required mana.

>>27299969
It's obviously possible, but you would need some fairly obscure runes to actually do it. It would also cost a fuckload of mana. The conditionals and prepositions make it EASIER to produce, and also gives lots of new possibilities for rune creation. I understand that it 'desmystifies' the arcane, though, and that's why we have kind of dropped it.

>>27299969
Also, people are being rather floppy with how runes work. They either work with whatever your intent was or a very specific meaning that just so happens to be exactly the effect you want to apply. We're making way too many shortcuts to get the effects we want to achieve. We need to get back to basics here.

>>27299877
my god, its... its the second spell ever created... Its so beautiful... So wizzardry...

Seriously, this looks cash

>>27300006
They also make the arrays look ugly as hell for the most part.

And it shouldn't be easier. The entire point is that magic is obscure and you need to work around the rules, not just build new rules because something is too hard.

>>27299924
>>27299969
The conservatists, naysayers and cynics have prevailed! I have never been this glad to be all three of those things!

>>27300036
It's also buggy as hell and causes the caster to blow himself up.

>>27300059
which is why it was fixed mere hours later.

>>27300059
The patch fixed a lot of those problems.

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I think it works now. I still cant see through it, but I should have a one-way shield of invisible

>>27300085
Fixed within the original boundaries of the rules, however.

>>27300149
which deserves a high five.

>>27299969

Hey now, my chain lightning worked fine! It just didnt stop...ever.

>>27300131
>rune for circle is a triangle
This is what I'm talking about. Kids these days just don't appreciate the aesthetics of runecasting!

>>27300171
>Famed Magical Experiment involving Chain Lightning
>Legends of a Bolt of Lightning travels the world, seeking victims
>Moves along leylines
>Randomly goes through entire cities
>Walking along one day
>SUDDENLY LIGHTNING
>tell all your wizard friends

>>27300188
its a joke. A circle is the form with the maximum of angles, the triangle with the minimum.

so a triangle
is an
hear me out

a triangle is a stylized circle.

I just realized a rune for destroying the universe would spend so much energy it would probably suck all the energy in the universe therefore destroying it by gathering the needed energy to destroy it.

Here is my idea. I'm going to make a set of runes assigning a value to each one. Everyone will choose which runes they wish keeping the sum value below a predetermined amount.

After everyone has chosen their runes I will pose a problem they need to solve using the runes they have.

Everyone draws a circle and I subtract the value of each used rune from the final score (available mana)

You get points on if your circle works and lose ponts for fizzle or fail.

You get points for aesthetics.

At the end points are tallied and a winner.


Thoughts?

>>27300297
So it's a point-buy system? Can two people know/use the same runes?

Is there a time-limit?

>>27297136
For some reason I read 'give' as 'stop' and thought "death field, nice"

>>27300363
Would probably allow each person the chance to choose from all runes for the sake of the Tg duels. But you all have the same set of points to buy with at start.

>>27300419
Meaning you can both have lightning but if I choose stone as well and get more runes I won't have as much extra mana at start

>>27300419
And we'd choose runes BEFORE we know the challenge, right?

DUDE THIS IS MOTHERFUCKING MAGICAL IRON CHEF.

>>27300503
Exactly. If you waste runes on destroy and end up in a challenge that requires you to move something you will need to get creative.

>>27300503
Alternately if you choose to play it safe you may end up in a destruction challenge. And still need to get creative.

>>27300503
I love it

>>27300297
the game sounds cool
I still believe 'create' should be expensive as fuck

>>27300591
Then it will have to be provided for free with certain challanges, or you get presented with a body of water or what you need.

So what's the best spell that you guys have come up with so far?

What's the most powerful spell that could be made in this system?

>>27300611
That's the idea. You may be provided runes for the match gratis.

>>27300611
exactly
you get a very broad challenge
and it's assumed everything is normal unless stated otherwise
then you have to manipulate your surroundings to achieve your goal
a problem could be solved in multiple ways and lateral thinking would be encouraged

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>>27300617
someone made a repeating fireball shooter
I personally think, if your intent is just to harm, a self duplicating rune that consumes lifeforce would be the most powerful

Lemme challenge you then. You were going to cross a wooden bridge but you discovered it was burnt down. The leftover pieces fell into the river and mostly were carried away. There's this waterfall that is less than 10 meters away from where the bridge stood, and the bridge itself was 20 meters long. A troll on the other side of the bridge made an ice proof rune that covers the river from margin to margin, and since he already destroyed the bridge once he could probably do it again. What do you do?

>>27300617
Someone helped me make a rune that destroys all of the life in an area except yours.

>>27300708
Self replication wood rune

>>27300728
Troll casts fire to burn down your wood. Your self-replicating wood is now being burnt. And since you haven't specified how your wood grows, it just falls into the river.

>>27300728
self replication sounds high level
I'd probably make a 'throw' rune that flings the person standing on it over the gap

>>27300737
Create - Bridge

>>27300760
Clever. But how do you not die with the impact?

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Hey guys! I made a new rune circle. It may not need quite the amount of control runes I gave it, but i want to use it with finesse seeing as it is both a lased shield and cannon.

I envision mounting it o top of your tower or something and frying people far away with it. For added range you could add a runecircle that turns light into mana and get a self charging laser shield.

You could also add automatic laser protection and deflection/absorbtion.

Its kind of like a giant magic magnifying glass, except it absorbs all light in the area into a point, instead of just focusing it, then allows you to shoot that light in a finely controlled beam.

As it involves no creation runes, and is mainly movement and control, it should have quite low mana use despite being quite a large circle.

>>27300737
Yeah I know. OK then I use the fire as my energy source and make a rune to pull a shelf of stone out till it makes a bridge. Target is directly under troll he falls in pit

Haven't been following these threads, so you guys might have done it intentionally and I didn't notice, but this style of rune circle reminds me of old models of celestial motion, like Brahe's compound orbital model. If it wasn't intentional or already pointed out, could use that to add an extra degree of depth to the system.

>>27300769
There is no "bridge" rune. Can people stop just making up any fucking rune to fit the problem? This is why we need a godamn codex or at least RULES on what rules are legit. So far, they've been basically abstract concepts or classical elements/forms of energy... that sort of thing. Otherwise, it ruins the intricacies of the system

>>27300769
Made out of what?

>>27300784
Hm... I think this could work.

>>27300770
how many circles am I allowed to make? maybe I could have a 'catch-me' on the outside of my coat to soften the blow
I could alter my own mass to make me lighter but how long is that going to last?

>>27300787
You mean...rune...spheres?

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>>27300708

Here is my current rune list if anyone wants a helping hand with the challenge.

There are a few repeats.

>>27300824
OH GOD ENSCRIBING RUNES ONTO A THREE DIMENSIONAL SPHERICAL SURFACE SHIT GONNA GET CRAZY NOW.

>"Not only does my awesome rune work inwards to out, it now goes from centre to surface! HAHAHAHAHAHA!"

>>27300854
Technically, it's not different to rune circles, but it just adds that level of depth that /tg/ loves.

>>27300781
You create a disc above the rune that you can move turn and compress with your will, you make this a constant
then you 'light'-compress everything and then you project your control over the movement and angle?

>>27300834
>circle is a circle

captain nofun strikes again

>>27300834
why is light this way, when its used by at least three seperate people differently?

You know what? Even though this might be heresy or some shit, I don't care. I think I'll sit down and just make a shitton of runes. OK, it might not be the official rune dictionary that Mark6 promised us, but at least we'll HAVE one, right? A baseline for all of us runescribers to draw a common consensus on until something better crops up. I'll be back with my shoddy work in a while. Until then, may your runes be written without flaw.

>>27300994
sure go for it. We still will invent new runes if we need

>>27300781
There's actually a ritual spell in one of the 3.5e splatbooks that's essentially the same thing if you want some math or wording to base it off.

>>27300994
Are you going to be using Norse runes or demonic runes?

>>27300994
I do warn you guys, however. There probably will be some you don't like and I'm thinking of changing already existing runes to better fit the aesthetics of the original runes.

>>27300824
No, just an astrological/astronomical association that adds fluff and dictates how runes interact.

>>27301057
dont do that. Just resist that urge. We would appreciate that,

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>>27300952

Sit I thought I changed that. Honestly like your idea better. Get I forget to save. Ah well.

>>27300967

If you look, light is actually on their twice, because I noticed this. I have just been copying tunes people made into a big listed and adding a few.

Also, what do you guys think of my Livemans switch? It is the reverse of a deadmans switch-instead of turning on when you release it, it only turns on when you hold contact with the red circle.

>>27300834
>Half the runes have duplicates
>Sustain appears three times

Seriously dude, stop fucking up

>>27300834
>>27300708
there, I drew it out
I could have made a 'give' velocity but I have plenty of running space so I'm being economical

>>27301180

Cant make me! The Bumble-Wizerd does what he does

Also, why not? Whats wrong with multiple entries for the same thing. this is just a colection of runes people have used, not a dictionary.

>>27301103
Except some of them are fucking ugly. Don't worry, I won't scrap them. Just alter them so they fit. Something like whittling the square peg so it fits into the round hole. This is probably because people were just throwing lines together to make the new runes without any thought to it's actual function or whether it meshes well with already accepted runes. Forgive me, but I'm a sucker for things having flow to them.

>>27301137
thats just... spectacularly unmagical. Use it, or dont, but my god. no.

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>>27301197
oops, forgot the image

>>27301202
okay, just dont do things like making a stick figure for human or something. keep em entirely abstract.

>>27301224
Oh God no! I won't do something as retarded as that. After all, runes are the language of the universe. Flavour-wise, we merely discovered how to USE them. Why would they be intuitive? The universe likes patterns, not making things easy, hence the tweak to make them all look nicer when together.

>>27301201
Because it appears three times with the same rune.

It's just untidy.

>>27301137
I hate it.

I hate the concept of runic automation.

>>27301208

My idea was to stick it on magic weapons. If mana is at all limited, you don`t want them draining it all the time.

That or some spells will want to charge before they start, or not turn on right away, or be running, but only used in an emergency.

Say, a low mana use secret door to your laboratory-a spell holds it shut. However if the mana fails you can get out quickly, or you can open it and walk through.

It has its uses.

>>27301294
we should think about a relationship.

>>27301294
But you can power one rune with another rune. Ye

>>27301312
Right?

>>27301312

Thats fine. You dont have to use it, or allow it in any setting you make.

I am just having fun seeing what I can make.

>>27301312
I guess?

Still isn't automation.

I think runes don't have to be computers
they're spells, they do one thing, that thing can have composite parts but it shouldn't react to outside information

Is it an unwritten rule that all lines forming a rune logogram have to be connected to each other? As in, there's not an "i" that has a line and a separate dot over it. Seems ok.

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Attached for your consideration - Some of the old symbols alchemists used in their formulas / cryptology