During the so-called ‘Cursed’ 21st Founding in the 36th Millennium, after the now destroyed planet Inculaba yielded mysteries still unknown to the majority of the Imperium, the 999th Space Marine Chapter was founded. In stark contrast to the other cursed Chapters, which have been plagued with gruesome mutations, often forcing the hand of the Inquisition, this particular Chapter was only disadvantaged with a faulty Occulobe. This fault meant that the eye and Occulobe implant would only work as normal with extra fluid; which in turn led the bodies of the Marines to overcompensate and produce more tears and as such, gave the Marines a constant look of sadness and sorrow.

This is the basis, everything else you need to know can be found in the links, let's try to build them some more.

Misc:

Notable Figures so far:
>Chapter Master Fovus
>Brother Jeremiah, the Silent Arbiter/Weeping Prophet
>Venerable Dreadnought Plutus


>New recruits are called 'The Blind'
>We may have vision quests to ascend to higher ranks

Misc Speech
>You ask why we weep for heretics neophyte?
>We weep with sorrow, for the men they could have been
>We weep with rage, for the suffering they inflict in their heresy
>We weep with joy, for through our hands they will sin no more
>We weep for ourselves, for the cruel justice we must dispense
>Emperor protect us all

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>>27006684
>We still need Company names and solid Captain names as well.
>Companies are kind of based on the emotions that each Captain saw in the now-mute Jeremiah's eyes.
>Suffering, anger, pity, grief, guilt, dissapointment, happiness, passion, fear.

>>27006729

The Chapters hero of legend was Brother Jeremiah, the Master of Sanctity within the Chapter.

It was said that during his lifetime he was once given the esteemed honour of being admitted entrance into the Sanctum Imperialis, the chamber containing the almighty Golden Throne which housed the remains of the God-Emperor.

It was during this brief visit that he bore witness to the true nature of the Emperor, all of his divine plan and the miniscule workings of all of his plans. It was during this vision of complete and utter purity that the Silent Arbiter realised the unending war was not for naught and it would eventually culminate in the salvation of the Imperium and the human race. It was said that the Weeping Prophet shed tears as he was blessed with this divine revelation.

During a gruesome campaign against the forces of Chaos, when the fighting was at its most intense, when losses were many and victories were few, the Arbiter and a few trusted Marines made a desperate last push in order to break out of the situation they had found themselves in.

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>>27006749
Calling on the divine might of the Emperor, but to little avail, Jeremiah watched as his fellow Battle-Brothers were cut down beside him by the forces of the Archenemy. Against overwhelming odds he fought onwards, taking injuries that would have outright killed lesser men, even fellow Marines. Scores of enemies fell under his righteous fury as he carved a bloody swathe of justice through the enemies. After receiving multiple fatal wounds he finally succumbed and fell to his knees.

The forces of Chaos circled around the broken Arbiter, jeering and ridiculing the Marine. Jeremiah looked through hazy eyes and spat blood at the ground as he watched a lone figure emerge from the throng, clutching a knife oozing with foul enchantments and curses.

As Jeremiah focused on the cultist in front of him, he witnessed the true nature of the being in front of him, a tiny spark of white light, almost completely concealed by years of hatred, thousands of acts of heresy and corruption. Jeremiah’s eyes cleared from the haze that had overcome him, perceiving the events that may have come to pass. He saw the small light burst into a flame to rival a thousand suns, a truly dazzling beacon of hope against the unstoppable sea of darkness, and it was in this fiery pillar that complete salvation may have been achieved, the absolution of every man, woman and child in the Galaxy and the survival of humanity.

Alas, this divine gift, a literal boon from the Emperor had been squandered, merely to fulfil some petty weakness, frittered away to liars and criminals.

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>>27006753
It was at this revelation that Jeremiah began to weep, no longer tears of sorrow, nor tears of happiness, but tears of anger, grief, anguish and pain. The tears started as liquid, but as the visions he had seen struck him more deeply the tears turned to holy fire. Blue and white streaks poured from the Prophets eyes, the forces of Chaos recoiled in horror as the Silent Arbiter rose up from the ground, ignoring all previous injuries and grasped the cultist with both arms, as if embracing a lost son. Jeremiah grasped the cultists shoulders and looked deeply into the cultists eyes, who was unable to draw his vision away from the pious fury he had unleashed.

“Gaze into my eyes heretic, and see your mistakes.” The voice left the Prophets mouth as a mere whisper, but amplified tenfold around the surrounding Chaos hordes.

“Weep”. His final words purified the enemies in a sea of devout wrath. Cultists were instantly incinerated and demons were sent screaming back to the Warp.

As the battle subsided, the remaining Marines left their positions to find their beloved Master of Sanctity. As they waded through the corpses left behind they came across a single figure, kneeling in penitence, clutching a single skull. It was when they went to help him up they realised the Emperors blessing had unforeseen circumstances. Jeremiah’s eyes now glowed as a white hot flame, the fire that had rolled down his face earlier had scorched him beyond belief, scarring his cheeks and sealing his mouth shut. Brother Jeremiah was henceforth known as the Silent Arbiter, the Weeping Prophet.

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>>27006764
what each company took from Jeremiah

Company names:
1st: deprived
2nd: anger
3rd: restless
4th: grief
5th: guilt
6th: dissapointment
7th: hope
8th: suffering
9th: fear
10th: blind

This again? I thought everyone forgot about this or moved on.
Not complaining though.

So do you have any new ideas/fluff or are you expecting something from other anons?

>>27006849
presently brainstorming. hopefully if others jump on idea's will become clearer

>>27006849
Oh by the way I still think their progenitors should be simply unknown, not AL or even possiblymaybe AL.
>>27006878
Alright, sorry I can't join in this late at night but if the thread is still around tomorrow I'll gladly join for some writing and stuff.

>>27006946
Yeah I'm failry sure it should be unknown as well, hopefully the consense reflects that later on.

>>27006646
>999th Chapter
>Progenitors are POSSIBLY Alpha Legion - we feel the need to make up for our Traitor brethren.
You can't be more Mary Sue if you try. The only reason to ever make a loyalist chapter a successor chapter to a traitor legion is if it is too boring to stand on its own.

>>27007045

Blood Ravens here, we had awesome fluff of our own before the heavy implications came that linked us to the Thousands Sons.

And one or two ticked boxes does not a Mary Sue make.

>>27007045
read the archived threads mate

>>27007140
There really aren't heavy implications, the idea that Minotaurs are loyalist world eaters, or Blood Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons, or the Red Scorpions are loyalist Emperor's Children mostly exist due to fan speculation. Even then, the Blood Ravens aren't interesting.

>>27007045
There were these guys known as the Knights Repentant, and they are pre-heresy Word Bearers that time travelled through the warp to the present day Imperium.

When done right, a Loyalist Chapter that is from a Traitor Legion is cool when done right.

>>27007251

The Blood Ravens have serious, canon, links to the Thousand Sons, up to Magnus receiving a vision of a raven combined with blood and sending off a small portion of his legion before the flesh change decided to get serious with strict orders to not open those orders until catastrophe happens.

Add in the abnormally large number of librarians and a librarian as chapter master for a long time, while coveting knowledge and having no trace of their lineage, it's more than just idle speculation.

>>27007251
Wait, wait, wait...Minotaurs are loyalist World Eaters?

Have to check this...

>>27007252
Not really, it is just a cheesy attempt to make your chapter more interesting without purring in actual work. Making them survivors of the Abyssal Crusade could be something, can justify their current doctrines and actions, and allows you to fluff out their backstory. Making them a repentent chapter, like some of the survivors from the Badab war is interesting. Making them the 999th chapter that is descended from Alpha Legion just because isn't interesting and doesn't take effort.

>>27007407
Well, this calls then for more flesh-outs and more alternative ideas. The Black Locks have the same shit and now there are serious attempts in making the serious.

>>27007407
I agree with you, I was in the first few threads when people were throwing around the traitor founding thing and number 999, I can't stand either idea and i've been saying that from the start

>>27007407
999th chapter is fine. It's a number that no one else is canonically using and hurts no one. Survivors of the Abyssal Crusade is actually a really good idea, and the shit they've seen could be part of their nature, mutation, and outlook on life. Paerhaps the oversensitive occulobe and tears that come with it are because they saw something SO HORRIBLE it scarred their very genes.

Alpha Legion heritage is complete bullshit, and should have never been permitted to begin with. I was there when they came up with it, and I watched as the idea drew an ENDLESS stream of trolls out of the fucking woodwork. It has to go if this chapter is to get anywhere, it seems.

>>27007718
>>27007655
>>27007407
I agree also. Alpha Legion just seems like it was thrown on there just because.

>>27006946
Unknown is fine. Also I thought of having them be Ultramarine successors, who by virtue of their cursed sight mutation, could no longer cling to their supposedly superior, ivory tower aloofness anymore, and could no longer pretend that the Codex made them somehow better than everyone else. No, instead it was time to really get into the nitty-gritty, and do what needs to be done to rebuild the Imperium, not just ponce around being super special.

I think unknown is the best idea for founding chapter, at least that way there's going to be no more endless arguments about it

>>27007782
(like I say, I was there. It pretty much was, and I spent 5 threads or so trying to drag everyone else away from the idea. I halfway succeeded, and then /tg/ decided it wasn't interested in helping develop them in a better direction, they'd rather just bitch and troll. I was quite disappointed.)

This is the third chapter in /tg/ i 've seen who is a loyalist traitor legion. What about this.

They aren't actually descended from Alpha legion, but the Alpha legion tried to infiltrate the chapter with sleeper agents, who in the long run, contaminated the geneseed with their own, in hopes of bringing the Inquisition upon them, or maybe because of some other reason (who knows, the Alpha Legion is like that).

So its more like 1 out of 100, has alpha-legion geneseed, and the higher eschelons of the chapter know this, and suspect that maybe there are still sleeping agents in the chapter.

There, you got your link with the Alpha Legion and his tactics, without the mary-sueness and with a sub-plot

>>27007951
That's...actually a good idea.

>>27007977
I don't like it, i'm more in favor of saying it's an unknown founding and ignoring anything to do with alpha legion

>>27007951
Kinda Fabius Bile-esque. Not bad. Hell, maybe they were contracted by Bile in some way to try and keep experimenting on 21st Founding marines he had fucked with before. Maybe the eyes are a longer term mutation he was trying to experiment with, and they needed "tending" at a later date.

>>27007998
>>27008007
I would say that there could be Alpha Legionnaires antagonizing the chapter at intervals, maybe as one of their common enemies.

>>27007951
We shouldn't have them be Chaos Loyalists. This much I think is clear to everyone at this point. No gene-seed from those Legions should be present, but the Legions could have been involved in making the Mourning Sons what they are today. That DOES fit with canonical Alpha Legion activity, at least, as well as Bile's activities.

>>27007998
Then maybe simply have their progenitors of unknown origin then.

>>27008078
That about 10 marines of a 1000 marines chapter is infected with alpha legion geneseed, doesn't make them Chaos loyalist. Maybe the alpha legion got interested in the geneseed of the chapter because their eyes could "sense" their sleeper agents.

And the chaplains and apothecaries of the Mourning Sons are the one who keep an eye on every marine trying to detect more infiltrators.

Is just an attack of a chaos legion that made the Chapter doubt his roots.

>>27008204
I don't think gene-seed is really something that they get "infected" with. Gene-seed is the most closely scrutinized element of any chapter, and even the Alpha Legion would have a hard time splicing in their data for whatever reason and making it stick.

Let's not have any Chaos taint in the chapter. It's not worth the fight, no matter how much you try to water it down.

>>27008264
this

>>27008204
The Alpha Legion *would* be interested in the Mourning Sons for their ability to peel through deception easier than most, because it threatens their covert ops. The response to someone who threatens your covert ops isn't to be more covert, it's to pull the opposite of what the Alphas did to the Ultras, and switch up their usual modus operandi, and actually come to direct fighting.

People forget the Alphas are still Marines. They are more than capable of flat out wrecking people, if they must. I feel that that's how they would deal with this homebrew chapter.

Seem logical?

>>27008264
Then what reason the Inquistion has for the bad feelings with the chapter?.

>>27008311
Seems logica

>>27008350
UHHHHHHH, maybe the fact that this chapter has an unusual *mutation* that helps them pierce *secrets and lies* which the Inquisition is *founded on*?

The Inquisition wouldn't hate them, but they wouldn't feel secure around them, and that leads to distrust. Also mutations are never good to Puritans.

>>27008350
let's see:
21st founding, weird visions, the fact that the chapter masters eyes burst into flame?
if that's not good enough then we just invent another reasons. A highly puritan inquisitor thinks theres something odd about them, he's got friends and influence so this view is somewhat widespread

>>27008094
Damn Friendly, you sure do seem to keep popping up all over the damn place in these chapter building threads.

>>27006646
God I hope that artfag who helped us out forever ago is still around. He did some good work getting shit done with us.

>>27008404
I seriously need to cut on it. Those threads work like a magnet. No, for real. I need to cut on it ASAP.

>>27008737
just post as an anon.

>>27008795
OK, then.

bumping for material


if I recall their super into assaulting. and have a shit ton of ump packs and what not. think they'd have any special weapons?

>>27010425
The chapter was fluffed as having less in the way of material support than most, as I recall. They rely more on faith than metal to win battles.

Special equipment would mostly be an excess of Dreadnoughts and Scouts, because the Dreads carry the chapter's lore and keep its moral compass straight, and the chapter needs lots of Scouts to escort the Dreads, learn from them, and replace the much higher personnel losses that this chapter's assault tactics, paired with weaker tech, generate.

>>27008737
Also, it's ok to post as Friendly Anon in your own threads, like the Black Locks and the Knights Repentant. I just wouldn't keep the name in threads that weren't initiated by you. Speaking of which, have you updated the Knights 1d4chan page like you said you were going to?

bump for interest.

bumping before bed

>>27011214
I wanted to update, but forgot to save the 2nd thread. Luckily it's still somewhere around FOOLZ, so I'll copy out the elements and then update their side.

>>27011214
Plus it's a wonder this thread is still alive.

>>27011214
And if it goes for the Black Locks...I'm working on making them serious (aka: The Chapter's origin story on how they were founded, who founded them, how they became who they are, etc.).

But that's for another thread. Now for some Mourning sons.

Bump for cool idea (except for the Alpha Legion part).

>>27019891
I wondered what happened to that thread.

OK, thread saved for the future.

>>27006729
Captain names, just to get some ideas flowing. I based them off of real life countries that I feel exemplify the themes of each Company. Obviously, it's a rough comparison at best, so don't get butthurt if a given analogy doesn't fit your worldview.

Also, I chose different cultural names for each, based on the Mourning Sons' predisposition to cherry pick good applicants from the many planets they visit. It's logical they would be a real melting pot of origins, all bound together in service to the Emperor.

Perhaps that could even be their pauldron symbol, the Emperor's gauntlet clasped around a bundle of sticks, symbolizing unity in servitude.

1st Company: Alexandr Kremenkov (Life in Russia is suffering)
2nd Company: Kyries Anasantos (The Greek is angry for his country is dying)
3rd Company: Severino Vela (Pity the Spanish, for they are broke as fuck.)
4th Company: Jalad Al-Rubyed (Middle East is feeling grief for sure)
5th Company: Sean Travers (America, white guilt is thine)
6th Company: Shin Fujimoto (Japan could have been great. Now they are shame upon all ancestors, irradiated and poor)
7th Company: Haraldur Steinsson (Iceland took charge of its own destiny after the financial collapse, and now enjoys the rewards)
8th Company: Niccolo Bennini (Even in death, the Italians are passionate about all things)
9th Company: Xolani Ihejirika (Anywhere you go in Africa, there is fear)


4th Company

>>27023050
second mention of 4th company at the bottom is a typo, ignore it.

>>27019980
Oh yeah, whenever you post another thread, I'll get you the other weapons Illustrations.

Alpha legion progenitors is shit. Give them Raven Guard as their parent chapter. Raven Guard needs love

>>27006646
>Chaplains have the ability to peer into someones mind/soul and see their true nature.

so, just before killing an heretic, they take a peek into their soul and see the oppressed as fuck imperial peasant, abused and discriminated by gov and now, even his faith for he was branded a heretic

he sees a man who was in constant fear of being either shot by a bandit or arbiter for walking oddly

endless pictures of hardships, pain and sorrow plague chaplains vision as he dwells deeper

and here comes the light, that light is hope of better life, freedom, opportunity to live with his family in peace and so on
and chaos, is the one that gave him this light in the darkness of his life

will a chaplain, strike down such person? who was just a victim of imperial creed with his life controlled by adeptus ministorum?

being a chaplain in this chapter, is the hardest work ever, because each time you are about to kill someone, you start to understand him and his actions seem justifiable

if an marines would fall to chaos or turn renegade in this chapter, its chaplains
and since they are kinda authority figures, they would lead other marines with them

>>27023191
this chapter is EXTRA heresy. Maybe if we made these fellows Imperial Fist sons, they could use the Pain Glove to purge themselves of sympathy for the weak?

>>27023191
Weeping over such waste is one of the main themes of the chapter.
Like how Jeremiah cried tears of fire over the potential-hero-turned-heretic, the chaplains will no doubt weep for many heretics who they smite. But they must be above such feelings, they must be able to bring the mercy of Him to those who have strayed too far.

>>27023323
So, Imperial Fists and Pain Glove then?

Also, who is the hated enemy of these guys? If its chaos or chaos marines, it would be no problem to fluff up their enemies as chaplains who have fallen to chaos

>>27023339
I don't remember.
I'm going to assume it's Chaos though since it was against the heretic hordes that the chapter was almost wiped out in its infancy.

>>27023095
Hi there, thanks for that.

Now that people came, I'll be re-saving the thread again.

>>27023179
We already decided they're not Alpha Legion successors. Unknown Primarch is most likely at this point.

Please read more than just the top of the thread, kthx?

>>27023246
Extra heresy? More like you're an extra troll. Purging themselves of sympathy is literally the exact opposite of what people wanted for this chapter.

>>27023191
Welcome to GRIMDARK. In a world of shit, what hurts more than being able to see the tiny, precious sparks of glory, and then see them snuffed out wherever you look?

"You cannot know despair without first knowing hope. You cannot know sorrow without also knowing joy. You cannot know hatred without having something to love."

>>27023339
>>27023365
Not the Imperial Fists. Not all original fluff is bad.

Favored enemy is almost assuredly Chaos in all its forms, with special preference for traitors above all else, whether or not they fall to Chaos.

>>27023882
Then probably everyone agrees that the Mourning Sons should be of unknown origin, and probably have their entire knowledge of from who they are descendant because of the Age of Apostasy that in turn resulted in aforementioned purge of information (turbulent times).

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>>27025176
Should that supposed to be a picture for ants? Or for bacteria?

>>27025176
double bump.

>>27027804
lol, your timing is IMPECCABLE. and yeah, that's a fucking small pic.

>>27027840
Dude, I just came here and saw this.

Plus, the Mourning Sons should have their origins unknown or have them lost due to Age of Apostasy grade turbulent stuff.

>>27027883
Yeah, people keep not reading later parts of the thread. There's no Alpha Legion or other Chaos Legions here, we dropped that shit. Unknown Primarch seems to be popular, so we'll go with that henceforth.

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>>27024386
>>27027883
>>27027930
bump for final verdict

>>27028910
Alphas = NO. End of story, there's no real reason for an otherwise interesting chapter to go down the tubes to an onslaught of trolls. Unknown Progenitor is fine.

>>27029135
this

>>27028910
>>27029135
>>27029201
Well, now that this shit's FINALLY settled, can we keep working on the chapter?

>>27032021
Guess not.

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>>27039033
Yeah, they are pretty much this.

>>27039033
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGoA-sfspdM