Duty until death

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"Retirement" is a filthy colloquialism for dereliction of duty. The pension is one bolt through the skull, and a bill sent to the soldier's next of kin for the cost of one bolt.

They get land on conquered worlds, I think a lot of them become bounty hunters and shit too.

I imagine they'd get something along the lines of a plot of land to farm for the emprah and to keep their old lasgun because enjoy the orks.

I doubt it's cushy.

>>26864337
>By that point, the guardsman has become someone important and receives a nice set of plot armor until GW decides to can him

Right of settlement. You become a colonist and live out the rest of your life in the planet you helped conquer/liberate/defend.

>>26864417
>>26864449
>HURR

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>>26864417
>>26864449
>Not realizing tens of thousands of Guardsmen if not more reach retirement with uneventful or successful careers
>muh grimedreck

>>26864496
Depends on the regiment and remember they are still living on the Imperium which is sorta worse than dying for the vast majority of the 40K human populations.

there was that one planet that took old Guardsmen and made them Servitors.
Mostly though they get their own plot of land on planets they fought on.

I think it depends on which regiment they're in. I know a lot of them end up having a 'right of conquest' sort of deal where the command structure gets set up as the new government of a planet that they reclaimed from heretics/defeated an Ork invasion on/whatever; while the rank and file Guardsmen get cushy jobs in the PDF or some other body seen to by the governor.

I don't think Cadians retire, though. Well, not the ones that stay on Cadia, anyway.

They get to punch Matt Ward once

Oll Persson retired and was just given land.
So yeah, land on a conquered planet. No doubt a planet right next to a war zone that has a high chance of getting invaded daily.

>>26864496
>tens of thousands
>out of hundreds of billions

Sounds to me like something that's not really a problem. If you actually manage to survive a tour of duty you're probably countless light-years away from home and in the middle of a war-torn hellhole. There's probably strong pressure to re-enlist (because what the fuck else are you gonna do?) or to transition to non-combat duties or into non-military combat, e.g. the Arbites.

As far as I remember, there are several mentions of retired Guardsmen in the various Black Library books and in some of the background material from the RPGs. There was the medic guy from the Ravenor books who was an ex-Guardsman Medic, and one of the Eisenhorn short stories talks about retired Guardsmen, either by damage or psychological trauma.

>>26864610
I'd happily spend my life facing the horrors of the galaxy for that.

.75 to the back of the head for seeing some shit.

>>26864642

Bad example. How the Imperial Army of 30K was treated is very different from the Imperial Guard of 40K.

>>26864812
In one of the Ultrasmurf novels the main guy and his whiny sidekick get dumped by a demon-train on a world run by former Guardsmen. Mordians, I believe. Place was a bleak shithole. I guess planetary invasion does that to most places.

>>26864337

Winning the right of settlement on a conquered planet is fairly often mentioned in the fluff. At the end of a long campaign the surviving soldiers may well be in their 40s, but they will be given freedom to settle and leave the guard. It makes a lot of sense to give soldiers an "end" to look forward to and to fight for. In one book called imperial glory there is a mention of a regiment-wide tontine, where the soldiers have a common sum that is split between all the survivors when they retire.

>>26864882
It's actually something that still happens in contemporary 40k. It doesn't happen very often, but sometimes a Regiment will be retired and given a newly-conquered planet to inhabit. It has the bonus of giving other Guardsmen something to strive for, even if the vast majority of them will never live that long, and ensures the planet in question has a core of veterans already in place to defend it and train the first batches of PDF from the next generation.

I would also suspect Ex-Guard to be in high demand as mercenaries, bodyguards, peacekeepers, strategists, or commanders under planetary governors, Rogue Traders, nobles, and other powerful and wealthy types, either based on their skill set from the Guard or simply based on the fact that as ex-Guard, they've proven they at least have a certain amount of skill at not dying.

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Retirement communities on the Ratling core worlds. Nothing but sun, food, drink, and sex with the overly amorous tiny natives.

>>26865069
There's at least one mention of an ex-Guardsman bodyguard in Dark Heresy, although it's not mentioned if they're deserters or retired the "proper" way.

What about Guardsmen serving non-combat roles? With the sheer size of the combat forces the Guard can muster, the amount of bean-counters required to support them must be astronomical. And due to the job, these guys have will have a slightly higher chance of survival than the average line grunt. So what do the vast armies of mechanics, truck drivers, cooks, paper pushers, medics, engineers ect ect do when they reach the end of their contract?

>>26865197
I imagine, for the bean counters at least, that they could be recuited into the Imperiums Administratum, maybe the engineers that survive and show affinity to the machine spirit get picked up by Tech Priests etc

>>26865173
An inquisitor has enough pull to demand the transfer of a guardsman who has proven useful, atleast in many cases.

>>26865397
More like every case, unless that guardsmen is already under the "protective wing" of another inquisitor. Every member of the Guard can be recruited at will by an Inquisitor, its only the outside forces like your Astarte, your Cog heads etc that inquisitors have to be somewhat diplomatic in their requests

>>26865397
Yes, but the ex-Guardsman I'm thinking of is employed by a civilian, a crime boss. His other bodyguard was an unsanctioned psyker, so it's pretty safe to say that he wasn't very concerned with what's legal and not.

>>26864417
The problem with this is: what about the really lucky guys who survive to an age where they become crabby old coots? Guys that don't have any skill except for being grunts, and get too old for even manual labor. Do you send Grandpa into battle with a lasgun mounted on his walker? Dose the Guard have squads of old farts bonking orks with canes and muttering "Back in my day we used to stack cultists 6 feet high and use them for sandbags"?

>>26865572
If they don't, they should. But really, those old farts probably become instructors, in the PDF at least if not the Guard.

>>26864337
ex-Guardsman?....Retire?... I'm afraid you've completely lost me.

Ciaphas Cain makes many references to having retired from life as a Guardsman and becoming a teacher of new Commisars. Until Abby launched his latest Black Crusade, when he was forced out of retirement to be a hero again. I'm not sure if they say he died during the crusade or if he survived though.

>>26864794
>Retired guardsman, goes back to school to become an Arbites.
Would play.

>>26865716
While there has always been mention of a funeral, with all his old time surviving comrades at the service, I always thought him and a certain Inquisitor faked his death, allowing him to properly retire

>>26865572
So basically the point of old guardsmen is to teach new guardsmen how to become old guardsmen? Sounds kind of like a combat version of an English major.

>>26865747
Somebody needs to make this a Quest...

>>26865659
Ex-Guardsman is like one of the most common tough-guy archetypes in the entire fucking 40K setting you dumbshit

>>26864337

Well in the Calixis sector there is entire planet dedicated to Guardsman retirees.

By some amazing coincidence it is the neighbor planet to the forgeworld that produces most of the Servitors in the sector.

>>26865716
He died or went missing, but he's basically listed as eternally in active service in case he ever does come back. Which...says a whole hell of a lot about how much people genuinely see him as the Hero of the Imperium.

>>26865801
This is why people don't like quests.

>>26865783
meant to quote >>26865617
I tend to hurr when I durr

>>26865617
>But really, those old farts probably become instructors, in the PDF at least if not the Guard.
I think his question are what do the half crazy ones who survived mainly out of luck and arent fit to teach anyone

>>26865874
The sheer amount of quest threads on the board seem to indicate that people do tend to like them

>>26865860
Plus he went missing and presumed om nom/raped/bashed in the ead often enough that, rather then doing the paper work, taking it back, and doing it again, the paper shufflers said screw it, he can never die, moving on

>>26865889
Mercs, strong men, future members of the penal legions etc

>>26865875
lol. Yeah, I always assumed everyone gets used for something.

>>26865889
Crazy or not, they can still pass on SOME skills. They'll be put to work for the Emperor in some fashion, halfassedly or not. Who knows, maybe training some Guardsmen to be as crazy as they are might let them out-insane an Ork, and win a world for the Imperium.

>>26865927
>Mercs, strong men, future members of the penal legions etc
Once again, some 70 year old coot might not be great for that, except maybe penal legion
And it'd be pretty demoralizing for the rest of the guardsmen

Rolled 69, 95 = 164

>>26865902
The sheer amount of cancer patients seems to indicate that people do tend to like that disease.

>>26865965
Allright, captain grimderp. All the old people officially get ground into hamburger if they're a little kooky. Happy now? You're trying to define them in such a limited, monodimensional fashion that there's nothing else we can say without just telling you you're a dumbshit.

:/

>>26865889
Well, no, my original question was refering to every guardsmen that got old as fuck...

But now that you mention... what does happen to the crazy ones who arn't fit to teach? Do they become instructers anyways? That could be interesting...

>"Howling Banshees? Don't worry guys, I got this covered! They taught me how to handle this in Basic!"
>"GUARDSMEN SMITH! Put your pants back on THIS INSTANT!"

>>26865978

>I don't like something. That means no one else is allowed to like it either

>>26865856

Welcome to beautiful Recyclus Secundus, Where we serve the Imperium for eternity.

"I dunno Harl, there is something suspicious about that signpost."

"Come on, Deke. We have been fighting Tyranids and spiky Eldar for three decades. What could be worse than that?"

I thought Guardsmen who survived long enough usually ended up in higher ranking positions until eventually they no longer have to even step foot on the battlefield.

>>26866006
>All the old people officially get ground into hamburger if they're a little kooky
Huh? I'm not sure what your problem is, i'm wondering what the guardsmen who get so old, dilapidated and unstable to reasonably be expected to be a merc or whatever due to decades of combat do.

>You're trying to define them in such a limited, monodimensional fashion
I'm sure theres plenty who reach their golden years and stay plenty capable, but plenty others wont

>without just telling you you're a dumbshit.
:O

>>26866070
You're ignoring the fact that the rest of us have already TOLD you what happens to the "plenty of others who won't".

"i'm wondering what the guardsmen who get so old, dilapidated and unstable to reasonably be expected to be a merc or whatever due to decades of combat do"

What the fuck do you want us to say? People like that have too broad a variety of problems to be contained in a simple bullet point of what happens to them. That's why I'm saying you're trying to focus the discussion on a segment of the population that is very small and very varied. THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THEM DICKHEAD. Unless we assume they get made into hamburger, everyone in the subcategory you're referring do is going to be handled differently, because they're unstable or useless.

:[

>>26866070
It will vary wildly depending on the regiment and associated command structure, as well as the circumstances of the individual. Generally speaking those that are going to leave the service do so well before they become "old and dilapidated" (or else they die in service). Career soldiers who intend to be Guardsmen until the lasgun is pried from their cold wrinkly dead hands are pretty rare.

4 in 5 old Guardsmen retire at Commoragh

>>26866046
quests suck the life out of the board

>>26865860

Basically this. The guy could get torn to pieces by squiggly beasts with chainswords for teeth in front of every Inquisitor, Arbites, Lord General, Planetary Governer, Chapter Master of the Astartes and High Lord of Terra and still Jurgen would be stood there with a pot of Tanna and his melta expecting him to stand up, dust himself off and run like a hillbilly before the above mentioned can ask him politely to do something really quite dangerous. Like, for instance, anything.

>>26866129
>that is very small and very varied
The group i'm talking about isn't small or varied. You said what happens to the ones who could work after their service. I want to know what happens to the ones who cant do any work for whatever reason (considering the mental/physical strain, should be a large amount). Its a similar problem for each

>DICKHEAD
(:_;)

>>26866190

"You know, after the Tyranids this isnt half bad."

>>26866213
Considering how saints and such work, I imagine that, every so often, a group of Guardsmen will be approached by to strangers that will, through a series of dangerous and hilarious events, lead them to glory

It's a big, old empire. There must be many, many planets minor and major where shit all will happen for hundreds of years. But they still have Guardsmen. And it's not like interstellar travel is easy either, so it wouldn't exactly be cost-effective to rotate grunts in and out of combat zones. So I expect that the ones that find themselves in combat are almost certainly going to fight till they die, and the others will almost certainly do shit all till they die.

>>26866311
>two

>>26866050

"Magos Fizwit. The retirees ...they...they...got out of Revenant Acres Recycling and Retirement Centre."

"What ? How could this happen? Where are they now?"

"We are not certain...but we believe some of them holed up in one of the emergency bunkers after raiding a PDF armory."

>>26866336
>rotate
They don't rotate grunts in and out of combat zones, they throw them into the meatgrinder. One of the primary purposes of the Imperial Navy is to ferry Guardsmen from the peaceful worlds they have been recruited from to the warzones where they are needed - the standing defence forces are all PDF. Serving Guardsmen are almost always in or on their way to a conflict (or at least somewhere where conflict is predicted to be imminent).

>>26866190
>Yfw Commoragh is like 1950's suburban America

>>26866416
Eldar women are just lonely for human men

>>26866416
>Implying 1950's american wasnt hell anyways

>>26864337
READ THE CODEX.
DONE.
YES, IT IS EXPLAINED THERE (in one half of a sentence)

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They get to *train* the new cadets

>>26866541
and by train you mean bang right? Or do they get to be honorary commissars? Both sound good

>>26866611
>and by train you mean bang right?
>yfw Ogryn

>>26866647
>everyone else gets whole squads of trapy guardsmen

>You get ogryn

Emprah h8 u m8

>>26866437
>>26866416

>You will never sit on the porch smoking a pipe while little timmy goes off to play with the friendly eldar kid across the street with the new Red Ryder Low power Lasgun while your Eldar wife tends to the wraithbone garden

Cain is gonna be the one who kills abaddon and saves the imperium
It won't even be a fluke, it will be fair 1 to 1 combat.

>>26866022
I chuckled

>>26866684
I'd rather Ogryn on my squad when sent to battle.

>>26866736
Fair enough, but to be frank I should have been dead a LONG time ago, thus stopped caring a LONG time ago. Nids gonna nom, orkz gonna waaagh and Eldar gonna faggot

If I get to bang some traps before hand I'm cool

>>26866022
I can't help but think that against craftworld eldar, that might just work.

Never work against dark eldar. They'd just take you alive.

>>26866736
>>26866684
>>26866647
I once played a game of Dark Heresy where we ended up investigating the murder of a commissar in a stationed regiment. "Ogryn love triangle" became a popular theory as to the cause of the murder fairly early on and we never really discounted it throughout our investigations

>>26866050
"Senior Adept, the retirees are revolting"

"Well of course they're revolting. They haven't washed in years and you know how meat tends to rot."

"With guns"

"ah, again?"

>>26866777
>Not surviving battle long enough to go to Carlos McConnel for retirement and fuck a bunch of catboy traps.

>>26866814
Dammit boner

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>>26866777
Or it could work out much better for you...
>Expect trapy guardsmen
>End up with all female Catachan squad
>DEATH BY SNOO SNOO

>>26866696
Someone draw this please. For my heart.

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>>26866840
Felinid whores are the best

Am I the only one who saved this?

After all that fighting, unless it was only Tau or something. I don't think they'd ever be able to live a peaceful life.

>>26866699
Well there was that one time he fought a khorne berserker to a stand still.

>>26866808
>Old as fuck guardsmen rebelling
That acutally could be the most horrifying thing to happen to the Imperium. Whats worse than Eldar incursions, orc invasions, nids and black crusades? A bunch of old fucks who fought and won against all that shit for half a century, have nothing to lose, and fully realize that they're going to die pretty soon anyways deciding that they don't like you anymore.

>>26866840
"No more, the spirit is willing but the flesh is spongy"

>>26866611
>implying that isn't what western military isn't duing with it's recruits already

>>26867093
>Implying recruits always looked that cute and bit their lips

>>26865159
I once read a hilarious story someone wrote about a ratling chick who ended up destroying a regiment through an STD. Shit was great.

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>>26864337
>Imperial Guard
>retirement

>>26867093
Oh fuck no. Recruits whine too much, they'll either snitch or try to cuddle afterwards, the former gets you in trouble and the latter makes it gay. You gotta be in for a while to learn the subtle rules that divide hetero mansex and faggot shit. For example: eye contact = faggot shit unless immediately followed by a high five. Pushing back is faggot shit unless you yell Slayer. And cuddling is faggot shit unless you you No Homo before you start. Recruits... well, they just don't know this shit.

>>26866975
That's pretty much his limit, but still extremely impressive for a normal human.

Then again it's stated the guy hasn't stopped practicing with his chainsword for like two hundred years - there's no way his sword and laspistol aren't boosted as all fuck by the legacy weapon rules.

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>>26867093
>Spend several years in military immediately after trapping on the internet for many of my teenage years
>Not one of my superior officers tried to dress me up in girls things and make me his girl

O... ok

>>26867224
Dude... dressing up is faggot shit unless both parties do it and its caught on film. Christ, did they teach you anything in Basic?

>>26867224
I would imagine military types are more into the manlier types of men, as a general outlook?

>pension
They definitely retire but you can count a pension out of the equation
Why would they pay someone after they've had the honor of serving for the imperium?

What the fuck has happened to this thread.
And why do I like it so much?

>>26867256
are you retarded?

>>26867224
Please post pics on /soc/ but keep it off here
or email them to me

>>26864533
Do us all a favor and read what you just wrote out loud and slowly.

>>26864337

It varies depending on the planet.

>Go into civilian life, with a pension
>Go into civilian life without a pension
>given land on a conquered world to settle
>can't retire, duty until death

Any of these might occur. It all depends on the regiment.

>>26867276
>or email them to me
That depends, have you ever served or are currently serving in the military of a sovereign nation?

>>26867318
No but I have fapped over 400 times

>>26867221
Was that before or after he started receiving some augments? And considering the man managed to impress a space marine during a duel, for all his so called cowardly feelings, the man can fight

>>26867272
Slannesh says hi

>>26867262
Everyone gets paid dude. Few religions are stupid enough not to realize that starving people will drive them away from you.

The Emperor protects, The Emperor provides.

Plus if you own a small plot of land, you're basically now a low grade noble.

>>26867356
One of the reasons it's so impressive is because he barely has any augmetics - as I recall at the time in question he only had a couple of replacement fingers and I'm not sure if he's ever suffered more than that.

>>26867331
>No but I have fapped over 400 times
You mean 400 times this week right?

>>26867378
I wouldnt be surprised if the whole "giving land to the troops" isnt part of the overall tactic of the Imperium to make sure demand for conquering new teritory is high among the general soldiers; we go to war to conquer new territory, which is given to the soldiers, so we need to conquer new territory etc etc

So question: How is it some people in the imperium can live hundreds of years and some cannot? I'm not talking hyper augmented people like marines or tech priests I'm talking about how you occasionally hear about important generals just living 230 years or something yet for most people being 70 is still old.

Is there like a super expensive procedure? Do big wigs just get better meds?

>>26867441
Well you are talking about augmented people since that's how they do it.

Right of Conquest you fookin cunts, do you seriously think the millions of Guardsmen allover the galaxy ALL die on the battlefield?

Two such examples:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Drookian_Fenguard

>The 72nd Drookian was granted a Right of Conquest to the continent on Aelian VII as reward for their monumental victory.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Guard#Notable_Death_Korps_Regiments

>127th Death Korps Infantry Regiment - The Death Korps 127th Infantry Regiment was assigned to the reconquest of the world of Baran in 224.M41. The Exodites of this former Eldar Maiden World had been overrun 300 standard years earlier by the Orks of WAAAGH! Arbuttz. The 127th was granted the right of conquest of this world as they were the sole regiment assigned there.

>>26866699
>Abaddon takes an overhead swing with Drach'nyen
>Cain dodges and cuts back at Abaddon's neck
>Abaddon parries with the Talon of Horus contemptuously
>Cain ends up hitting the chamber
>Bolter round misfires, exploding in the chamber
>Magazine cooks off from the blast
>Whole thing explodes, taking Abby's arm with it
>Both Cain and Abaddon knocked on their ass
>Cain gets up, dust himself off.
>Abby can't because, LOL, one armed terminator on his back
>Cain sees this
"Hey Jurgen, forkover that meltagun NOW!!"
>Abaddon the Despoiler gets BLAMMED by Ciaphas Cain
>Cain's first summery execution ever

>>26867441
Yes, it's called Rejuvenat treatments. Extremely expensive.
Rejuvenat is actually a generic name for many and varied treatments that extend your lifespan.
It pretty much only goes to about 400 or so though.

>>26867441

Well firstly for many living conditions are crap. Which would lead to early death.

But also there was a lot of genetic engineering back in the DAoT days. The long lived could easily still have some gene mods kicking around that they inherited from their parents.

And also of course Rejuv treatments.

>>26867513
I mean Juvenat. Fuck.

>>26867356
Before, I believe.
He's got limited augments, no machinator arrays or anything, though they're decent grade enough that his replacement fingers were a substantial boon to him.

But yeah, that was the point of the inquisitor; for all the cowardice, the combination of "doing-it-anyways-because-I'd-look-bad-otherwise" and "fuck it we're screwed anyways if we don't" leaves very little room for the actual cowardice.

If anything, he's just more honest about how he feels going into danger than most of the retinues.

Folks wouldn't be praying to Big E if they weren't at least a little worried.

>>26867441
Something called Juvenant I think

A land grant, a cushy job running supply lines, maybe work as a recruiter or drill instructor.

>>26867542
>>26867564
Inquisitors tend to live even longer because they have access to weird rare technologies, especially the Revivicators. The oldest of which was Inquisitor Lord Veerinath, who was shot dead while hale and hearty at the ripe old age of 763.

>>26867550
Amberlay actually mentions that she thinks the whole cowardice portrayal is a farce and that in the end Cain really was a great hero.

>>26867622
Verinath, I mean.

>>26864337
Christ I think I'd rather fight all the Chaos Gods at the same time than the manly motherfucker that is a retired Imperial Guardsmen.

they already have balls of steel. What kind of ball this one might have is unfathomable.

>>26867550
He is a rare individual who has common sense in the 401st millenium. Therefore, everyone would call him a coward. So he thinks he's really a coward for thinking like a rational human being even if he's only being sensible.

>>26867513
It can go higher if you've gone high admech, but there's precious little living in you by then anyways.

And then there's anything chaos, which can easily have been demonified or whatever into never dying of old age

>>26867622

And high ranking Admech personell.

Albeit that is less due to amazing biological science end more due to the fact that a body of 98% metal tends to be pretty durable.

>>26867695
41t millenium

Good god emperor, I don't even want to know about the 401st

>>26867629
I see it more as self-loathing brought on by enough objectivity and introspection.

You get brought up your whole life getting told everyone and everything is utterly devoted, fearless, loving of the emperor and hard working.

You don't... FEEL like you're any of those things, and everyone else sure as fuck looks like they are usually...

>>26867629
I always thought that younger Cain actually was the "coward" (being stationed with artillery), but through his time with Jurgen, and troopers under his command etc, we went from pulling heroic shit because it was expected of him, to doing it because it was the right thing, all the while using excuses to downplay his actions

>>26867725
Everyone's probably dead by then and the galaxy is finally at true peace. Oh well, not our problem.

>>26867629
>>26867744

Cain is a modern day man dropped into 40K and making the best of it

Well really, the 40K world Cain inhabits seems to me to exist in a bubble separate from the rest of the setting entirely

>>26867725
Humanity is still sitting in the naughty corner after the Big E woke up, and saw just how badly they had fucked up

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>>26866814
>picking traps

you conscripts confound me sometimes

>>26867816
Thats probably why he is so popular, because he combines the sheer awesomness of 40k, while also noting just how utterly insane it is

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>dying of old age in 40K

it can happen, sure

>>26867816
then why don't neckbeards hate Cain for not being REAL 40K?
I mean that's why people dislike Abnett's stuff sometimes

>>26867920
Because those fans are too stupid to realize what they're readin.

>>26867920
Because while Cain is not quite as grimdark as other series, the grimdark is oftentimes more subtle, like Cain (who regardless of his own words, is seem as quite heroic) watching protesters getting severely beaten up, and thinking thats the right thing. Not to mention his xenophobia etc. Just because something doesnt beat you over the head with "and then Cain blammed the entire platoon because they lost a single lasgun", doesnt mean it isnt warhammer

>>26865197
Munitorium are basically pen pushers for life - but yeah the quartermasters etc are probably the most likely to end up alive at the end. It's one of those facets of the fiction and even real life military most people don't consider

>>26868026
in general the entire tone of the Cain novels are inconsistent with 40K

they're too 'civilian' and mention shit no other 40K sources mention like holo-dramas and pornslates and fortune cookies

>>26866046
Go read that lizard girlfriend quest and tell me that thread deserves to exist, and that anyone who bumps it isn't a sperglord.

>>26867378
I presume they get paid on the job but when they retire they are fucked

>>26868057

How? Just because it doesn't beat the reader over the head with grimdark bullshit doesn't mean it is somehow out of place. The galaxy is a very big place, a lot of things can happen and not all of them get a page devoted to them.

>>26866931
I hope so. The coloring is alright I guess, but the actual drawing looks like something from a 14 year old boy's deviantart

>>26864454
I've always imagined it like the roman system. Use soldiers to conquer land. Give the living ones a bit of the land if they make it to retirement

>>26868057
Those things arnt mentioned because in most series, your either dealing with space marines, for who sex drives dont really matter, Inquisitors, who often times get laid quite a bit, xenos, for which culture differences apply, chaos, which is chaos, or particular battles, where upon people read it for the action and heroes, not background info

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>>26864337 (OP)
>What happens to Guardsmen lucky to live long enough to reach retirement? What's an ex-Guardman's pension?
Well if you read a 3rd ED codex, retired guardsmen usually have reached officer level and they become Commissars. Rather than Commissars being churned out on some special world. Thats why their always old. Except for the new ones in OW.

Veteran guardsmen too old to fight probably go back to their homes.
Wounded veterans probably beg on the streets.

>>26864449
>"Retirement" is a filthy colloquialism for dereliction of duty.
You idiot.

>>26868111
>Just because it doesn't beat the reader over the head with grimdark bullshit doesn't mean it is somehow out of place
>fortune cookies

I refuse to beleive that those pathetic excuses for a cookie would still exist 39,000 years into the future.

>>26868287
Who says they weren't reinvented? I'd say "perhaps into something actually worth eating" but this is 40k, you should just count your blessings that it doesn't turn you into a chaos spawn.

>>26864337
A high five from the Commissar and membership in the imperial guards reserve force.

>>26868287
Thats the ultimate example of grimdarkness in the future; that no matter what was lost, such amazing techs that will never be used again... fortune cookies survived

>>26868339
He'll even take off his powerfist so as to not vaporize you.

>>26868287

Of all the things to try and make your point with, you choose fortune cookies. Way to keep the setting in perspective.

>>26868360
I think it was a joke mate

>>26868324
You said the magic word... you poor dumb bastard

>>26864337

Their regiment gets rolled into an army of conquest and they go conquer a planet and become its new ruling class.

>>26868398
"Good news everyone! We have been drafted into an army of conquest. For our first stop, we will be assaulting this lovely planet just past Cadia."

>>26868360
>the joke
>your head

In my Dark Heresy games, they have technology on par with ours. It's just completely different in design.

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>>26868421

DAMMIT DEMITRI!

>>26864467
>until Abnett decides to can him
FTFY

Guardsmen retire all the time. They don't even have to reach old age.

A successful campaign that sees a regiments strength heavily reduced will have the survivors relieved of duty, and they will either colonize the planet they just fought on, or go to another one.

Some become officers, and retire from campaigning on a paradise world somewhere.

>>26868470
Abnett gets shit done, and by shit, I mean killing of fan favourite characters

>>26868062
>sperglord
wheredoyouthinkyouare.jpg

>>26868476
Any Guardsman worth their salt knows to never retire to a paradise world... thats just asking for trouble

>>26868429
>Imperial fortune cookies
"Worship the glorious God-Emprah, and you will find prosperity. Your lucky numbers are LOYALTY and DUTY."

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>>26868421
Even better good news! I'm now a commissar!

>>26868498
"You can expect a lovely day of Dying For the Emprah"

>>26868397
What? Reinvented? As if they didn't basically reinvent the English language?

>>26864449
>m-muh grimderp
This is why I hate the 40k community sometimes

>>26868549
The last two words, which means you shouldnt be able to talk anymore

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>>26868582
Ha! As if you can do anything about it grunt, I'm allowed to say whatever I damn well want to, within reason of course. This seal says so.

>>26864337
>its hard to pretend even after all thees years. that im not haunted by hurt by my time in the guard. guardsmen that live on carry a unique grief. the shame of life that i should live when my friends and brothers were taken. even after all these years it still hurts i wake up in a cold sweat and i swear im a young man again wading through the dirt and the mud and praying that today wasnt my day. in the winter when its cold i can feel my arm i lost those years ago.

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>>26866931
Felinids are great because they fuck like tigers.

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>>26866931
Why she got spikes on her crotch?

>>26868726
Sauce?

>>26865902
He wasn't saying all of /tg/ hated quest threads. There's no real reason to run it was a quest when some writefaggotry will get the same thing across.

>>26864337
Depends on the regiment, some colonize the planet they just conquered.

Might even depend on the world, Vostroya constantly reinforces the regiments it has out there, a planet with a similar system could conceivably bring those who have served an appropriate term home to enjoy veteran benefits and gratitude for their service Or go the way of Lt. Dan pre-bubba gump shrimp co.

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>>26869253
Kouya ni Kemono Doukokusu

>>26869627
Thank you. I almost thought it was Violence Jack.

>>26866213
There must now be Chainsaw Squigs

>>26870581
Just tell some Orks about chainsaw Squigs, and the Waagggghhh will make sure some will eventually spawn from spores

>>26866986
New Warhammer 40k army: Veterans and Dreadnoughts.

>>26870931
And servitors

>>26870931
Their transports can be those little cars the VFW always ride in in parades.

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>>26871133
>Daemons stream in through a portal into the warp.
>Suddenly a drop pod plunges from the sky, the hatches pop open and a steady stream of Imperial Guard Shriners slowly ride out.
>The blind old Comissar blows away a Bloodthirster thinking it's a retreating Guardsman.
>The Dreadnought sets up patio furniture and astroturf outside the drop pod.
>Grannies of Battle are driving an Exorcist 10 miles per hour, running over every Daemonette in their paths without trying to.
>Imperium forces in orbit are tracking the movements of their troops via the light reflecting off the bald heads of the Ultra(retired)marines, which is visible as tiny pinpricks of white moving around the surface.

>>26871304
>The Imperial Guard Shriners phrase: Get of our lawn xeno/heretic/mutant/warp scum

>>26871322
>You call THESE daemonettes? Back in my day they were actually tempting!
>Old Commissar tries to blam for heresy, kills a Lord of Change.

>>26871410
An Psyker suffering dementia enters the field, and since he doesnt think the daemons exist, his powers tell them to fuck right of

>>26871457
>suffers Alzheimer's attacks, daemons permanently banished to the warp

>Geriatric ogryns brandishing giant walkers

>>26866986
Well fuck, I know what my new IG regiment is going to be...

Know any bitz makers that sell walkers and wheelchairs in 28mm?

>>26871600
Reaper has a zombie survivor range, try that.

>>26871509
>Ancient Rough riders advance through a blistering hail of bolter fire due to the unintentional bullet-dodging motions of their rickety steeds

>the commander's plans are inspired purely by "how it used to be" in "his day"

>>26871765
>The rough riders are riding those shopping carts.
>They shake because they have the shakes since they don't have their blankets.

>>26871785
>They can take Tau as auxiliaries because they think they're just kids
>Tau auxiliaries have to take One Eye Open tests to avoid falling asleep while being told stories of the old days

>>26871815
>They can resist Necron fear inducing, because back in their day, they didnt have any need for souless robot killers from the start of the universe, and they damn well liked it that way.

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>>26871765

So these guys in 40K, right?

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>>26871875
Yes.
In fact, they still dress that way.

The Space Marines dress like this.

>>26869627
Is this the thing with the black dude cockroaches?

>>26871944
Don't forget the Vendettas being biplanes. Or Blimps. Let's go with blimps.

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>>26871964
Fuck no, the art is much much better.
And the plot has much less despair.

>>26872004
WHat are the Russ's? Shermans?

>>26866389
This.

19th arkan pacifies their world sees some shit hey shouldn't is immateriality seconded to the guard.

The reasoning being that they'll all die and never tell of the heresy they saw.

the world they fight on has regiments from all over present.


Also, read fire caste. good look into the guard without a MUHREEN, ork, god, elfdar, robot, or any non humans but tau in sight.

>>26865747
Arbites are recruited from the Schola Progenium, that wouldn't work

Muh canon

>>26866946
Read fire caste. Tau mindfuck as hard as anyone else.

>>26867501
>http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Guard#Notable_Death_Korps_Regiments
>korp
>settle
Do they even know how, or are they all sitting in trenches shelling an open field, confused?

>>26872055
Think Da Vinci tortoise.

>>26872006
Cool, I was kind of getting into what I was reading and to suddenly go so campy would be pretty shitty.

>>26864563
"Retirement" in their case would probably involve being shifted to reserves/auxiliaries.

>>26872209
I'd excpect them to spend all their time building and manning trenchslines and citadels, waiting for the inevitable enemy counterrattack.

>>26868828

Looks like she leveled up there.

Basically, they'll end up as the beginning of the nobility on this new Imperial world.

>>26872209

>Orks invade
>land on a world that has had decades to prepare
>blasted to bits by 80 year olds manning artillery

I kinda imagine them stuck on a Hive world.
Still in their Guard uniform, tattered and torn, in a wheelchair with the regimental flag on the back.
They forever roam the streets and tunnels, begging for money or just sit there, vacantly staring in the distance.
They do that for 5-10 years and then some punk-ass kid high on space-meth robs his shit and kills him.

>>26874854
Not likely.

Remember, a Guardsman with a lasgun, even if he has one leg, or no legs at all is most likely the toughest motherfucker on the block.

>>26874644
What he said.

Remember, lasguns are fucking murder machines when you point them at thieves, gangbangers and other scum.

They're as easily to kill as grots.

>>26864337
that never happens
if you are too old it's an evidence you didn't serve the Godemperor good enough and were a coward.
If you are older than 35, please seek the nearest Commissar for help.

>>26868898
40k.

>>26874872
Then they all become Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino. Mopey, violent old farts who hate EVERYTHING.

>>26864337
No idea, but there is such a thing as demobilization in the IG, so I guess there is a age limit or something.

Evidence of demobilization is in the departmento munitorum book. In the medal section, the merit of terra is a medal given out to guardsmen who postpone there demobilization, so yeh.

>>26864449
>one bolt through the skull
>one bolt

Gonna be messy... and yet an honor when we know how expensive those ammunition are while a shot of laspistol costs basically nothing.

>next of kin
The bill arrives 4 centuries later.
Luckily for the family, the Munitorum had already factored the penality for delayed payment into the calculation.

>>26874980
Hate everything for being weak.

>90-year old Guardsman shooting up a 50 man gang

"COME ON YOU FUCKS! I FOUGHT GROTS WITH MORE BALLS THAN YOU!"

Because seriously, if you survived a Waaagh, you can survive anything some gangbangers can throw at you.

>>26875020
So, it'd be pretty much like those stories you hear about some old guy who was in 'Nam getting held in a gas station that ends with the robber being pistol whipped by his own gun.

Except in this case the robber is a Lord of Change.

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>>26867910
>become old
>can't fight so good
>die because of it

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Reminds me of the bit in Halo Jones, when they take out an enemy sniper, who turns out to be just a kid. Then they start reasoning it like "Well, these people always look a bit young. And all the mud and dirt on the face could hide marks of age," etc. and in the end it noted that by the time they got back to base, the sniper might as well have died of old age.

>>26868726
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>>26868828
>you will never be held down by a big strong catgirl and raped

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>>26871600
A whole regiment of old gentlemanly fuckers with cane, hats and leman russ tanks.

Plus walkers.

They're treated kind of like Roman Legionaries would be. Given a parse of land on whatever planet they find themselves on when they retire, a healthy pension, and maybe even a minor administration title if they were notable.

I know /tg/ likes to act as though the IG is a meat grinder, but its only bad when its bad. They take care of the soldiers themselves pretty well when its not an absolute dire situation.

>inb4 its always a dire situation against chaos/nids/orcs
The IG isn't always in a constant last stand. They go on the offensive and have a lot of clear offenses and defenses.

>>26866696
>>you will never be a patient to a homunculus who treats your ailments properly instead of a techpriest who tries to fuck your ailments away by trying to stick a mechandrite, covered in cherubs, up your anus.

I would rather be treated right by xenos and heretics than wrong by my kin.
Because home is where safety is

I have a question.
Women in the guard, how does that usually work for them, does the imperium have a policy on them or nobody really cares and that's really not an issue in Imperium culuture?

Reminds me of those (probably fake) rumors of them spiking U.S. military food with anti-hormonal supplements.

>>26876206
>does the imperium have a policy
Commisars. It's always the Commisars.

I'd imagine some regiments treat rape of fellow guard like desertion, with the usual standard punishment (for all those involved).

>>26865860
Commissar Cain the only man ever to be buried with full military honors and still be declared 'on active duty'

He Died with Amberly Vail, an inquisitor from the Ordo xenos, she buried him at the ripe old age of 193.

>>26876345
I wonder if the Imperium would've gone so far to keep their precious hero as to see if they couldn't put him in a dreadnought or turn him into a servitor.

>>26876345
That's because after the fifth time he'd been declared KIA, the administratum declared "fuck it, leave the bastard on active duty, it costs less than sorting through the fucking paperwork to undeclare his death."

>>26876345
>he buried him at the ripe old age of 193.
Was that natural or was there something else involved?

Does that mean Imperium humans actually can live to very long ages, but mostly don't for obvious reasons?

>>26876379
Rejuvenat treatments.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Life_Extension_Technologies
They get mentioned fairly often in the novels.

>>26876379
They haven't mentioned yet how Cain died, or even if he really is dead. For all we know he could have actually faked his death so people would finally stop sending him to suicide missions.

>>26876379
Rejuvenats.
And they mostly don't because Rejuvenats are expensive as shit

>>26876379
Natural death, presumably.

As for the longevity, its some poorly explained space-medicine that a few very rich, very influential people have access to. Its not uncommon for Inquisitors, Rogue Traders, Heroes of the Imperium (Cain), Sector Governors, ect to live several centuries because they are the lucky few who have the money and clout to access the full range of medical technology available to the Imperium.

>>26876443
As in actual medical technology and none of that Tech-priest shit am I right?

>>26875592
>I would rather be treated right by xenos and heretics
You'll wish it were the techpriest once you let the painboyz or Dark Eldar get a hold of you.

>>26876473
Yes. Rejuvenat treatments can basically tell natural aging to go fuck itself for a hundred years or so if used regularly, no horrible disfiguring robo-bits involved.

>>26876379
In the grim darkness of the far future, the healthcare system is pretty good.

>>26876517
If you're stupidly rich sure.

>>26876517
The upper end is, at least.

>>26876532
So, pretty much how America's healthcare system is now...
>This pack of basic IV fluid we're putting in you costs $1 to make, and you will be charged $500+ for it.

>>26876517
There mental healthcare not so much. Cowardice is seen a physical ailment with the Emperor's Mercy the only cure. Also being too eager to fight for the Emperor can also in certain circumstances be seen as a sign for concern. Not to mention all the laws about compulsory church attendance and what not.

Also as per the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer, any guardsman hit by a Tyranid projectile weapon is to be executed just to be on the safe side.

>>26876582
I'd imagine once you get hit with a tyranid projectile weapon its less to be on the safe side and more "oh god put him down before his screams make me puke".
Fleshborers are nasty fucks.

>>26876582
Frankly, if I was hit by a Tyranid projectile I would prefer a quick and clean lasbolt to the face than being eaten or melted or whatever the fuck.

>>26876582
>Also being too eager to fight for the Emperor can also in certain circumstances be seen as a sign for concern

That's absolutely silly, why would running into battle shouting "BLOOD FOR THE EMPEROR-GOD, SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE!" be seen as any cause for concern.

>Not to mention all the laws about compulsory church attendance and what not.

If anything that part assists mental health. When fighting an army of daemons, it helps to know your God is a badass too.

>>26876679
>"BLOOD FOR THE EMPEROR-GOD, SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE!"
In theory, when you devote your killing to a patron does that ensure Khrone doesn't get in on that action?

Otherwise do the deaths caused by servants of the other chaos god also fuel Khorne? Or when one of Khornes servants kills someone does their corpse serve Nurgle?

>>26876725
Yes.

>>26876725
Khorne cares not from where the blood flows.
All killings fuel Khorne.

>>26876725
>In theory, when you devote your killing to a patron does that ensure Khrone doesn't get in on that action?

Nope, not in the slightest.

The Chaos Gods don't NEED worshipers at all. Its just that their worshipers are more likely to do things the gods like than other people are, so they exist in a (mostly) mutually beneficial relationship.

If every single Khorne worshiper in the entire galaxy spontaneously died, it wouldn't matter all that much, because Khorne is fed whenever someone takes up a weapon and kills something in anger.

>>26876679
>If anything that part assists mental health. When fighting an army of daemons, it helps to know your God is a badass too.
Thing is though, most Guardsmen don't know daemons exist. And if you say they do then *blam!*. Also if you end up actually fighting them and somehow surviving, you will probably just be executed anyways to be on the safe side.

>>26876725
Pretty much all death's fuel all the chaos gods, even if some get a bit more.
Someone murders someone in rage.
Khorne get's some for the blood spilt
Nurgle feasts on his decaying corpse
Slaanesh enjoys the loss of control to rage
and Tzeentch enjoys the change a single death causes

>>26865572

>Old People Regiments

Do I smell a homebrew?

>>26876924
Where does Malal benefit?

>>26876954
He benefits from not getting retconned.

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>>26866931

>You will never sire a spunky half-felinid tomboy who aspires to be just like you.

>>26876954
Hey Anon, fuck you man.

>>26876954
Malal benefits every time a servant of Chaos destroys something beautiful.

Every time a Slaanesh servant murders the mother of a young boy, and the kid grabs a kitchen knife and stabs the fucking shit out of that cultist, Malal grows stronger.

Every time Khorne and Tzeentch servants fight to the death, for the glory of their God, Malal grows stronger.

Malal grows stronger as the Imperium holds back the waves of the 13th Black Crusade.

Malal grows stronger whenever your group of Inquisitorial henchmen foil another Chaos plot in DH.

>>26877114
Wot?
Treachery and plot foiling is Tzeentch's domain.

Malal benefts from Chaos fighting Chaos, that's it. Or from suicides.

>>26877158
Everything in that post is about Chaos being destroyed. English isn't a difficult language to grasp kid.

>>26876582

Well, from that statement, it looks like the health care of the Imperial Guard has vastly improved compaired to modern armies. Hell, the Guard goes through all the trouble of giving you the Emperors Mercy if you get tagged by a Fleshborer. Most modern armies would just give you Motrin and tell you to walk it off.

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>>26866986
>A bunch of old fucks who fought and won against all that shit for half a century,
Oh god

>>26877510
Yeah, exactly that. Only thousands of them. With lasers.

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>>26877577
Now I want to play as old, retired guardsmen defending the planet they conquered so long ago against an Ork Waaagh!, Dork Eldar raid, Kay-Os uprising, or whatever the hell you want till reinforcements arrive

>>26877625
Snake. Nothing about him should be cool. How does he do it?

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>>26877673
Very carefully

>>26876345
>He Died with Amberly Vail,
Twue wuv ^.^

>>26864337
from what i'Ve read you have to serve 20 years until you get a piece of land on a conquered planet to live on.

kinda like a roman legionaire.
but a guardsmen is way less likely to survive... just about anything.