So it would seem that in this setting, minotaurs were originally created as a slave race by ancient sorcerers. According to the principles of symbolic magic, this was accomplished by fashioning then after humanity's ultimate "slaves": cattle, the essential beast of burden. Thus, male minotaurs were endowed with the strength and tenacity of the bull and designed for war, protection, and heavy labor (and, perhaps, the design of the very same monuments they were tasked with building, which might explain their knack for complex engineering). Meanwhile, the females were given the symbolic traits of the cow: fertility, nurturing, healing and care. Aside from their obvious role of making sure the minotaur race is sustainable, those traits were put to use by making the female minotaurs teachers, nannies, wet-nurses, and general carers of children - hence their more human like appearance (so as to not scare the kids).

>>26464271
>cattle
>beasts of burden

Cattle are livestock dude, you're thinking of horses.

>>26464281
Plow oxen.

>>26464288
if the one looked like pic in OP, I'd be delighted to do the plowing~

>>26464281
What is an ox?

Sounds logical enough. Make them about the same size as the Tauren from WoW, maybe a little bigger, and you've got a pretty reasonable race.

>>26464299

See? Lets try to avoid that line if thought for now.

>>26464364

That's the plan. Giant, horned women (they are, after all, tasked with protecting the children. They need to be intimidating enough to deter potential threats while still being nice and motherly enough to not scare the kids) with tails or something. The giant lactating breasts are more of a convention thing.

>>26464430
It's fetishy, but no moreso than any other monstrous humanoid might be (and really no matter how you design your monstrous humanoids, SOMEBODY is going to fetishize it somewhere. Remember all the Thri-Kreen erotica shit from way back in the day).

>>26464430

And to facilitate the "wet nurse" part. Fucking spoiled sorcerer children are breastfed until they're like 10.

>>26464487

Why do you think they grow so big?

>>26464501

I always imagined wizard kids as kind of scrawny.

>>26464654
I think he meant the minotaur women. One of the advantages of their size is that they can comfortably breastfeed larger children.

>>26464703

Wait, do they still do that? I was under the impression that that's what they wee designed for, but those ancient wizards who did that are long gone.

>>26464724
Hm. OP, your take?

>>26464735

I'm cool with whatever. I just wanted to see a nice fluff/crunch discussion.

>>26464741
Crunchwise, we're talking very high Strength and Constitution scores. Women would probably trade a bit of Strength for Wisdom or Charisma.

This is assuming you still want them in D&D and not a different system.

>>26464815
They'd also probably be Large sized, covering a lot of the high Str/Con.

>>26464815

I was thinking pathfinder, but that's pretty solid either way. Minotaurs have +7 str last I checked, some of those points could obviously be traded for mental ability increases (especially considering that str bonuses outweigh cha or wis bonuses in d20 systems). Maybe a trait that gives them Rage when their kids (or perceived kids) are threatened.

Giant boobs or no, a 2.3 meters tall woman with horns charging at you foaming at the mouth is fucking scary.

>>26464832

Unlikely. Large size covers creatures that are about twice as tall as a human on average. If they were that big, minotaurs wouldn't be useful for construction work (except for outside walls) or childcare. I think we're looking at the higher end of medium.

>>26464856
Sounds good to me. Also some of the feats that enhance knockback and knockdown, maybe one that allows them to trample. Make 'em dangerous even if they don't choose to Rage.

>>26464870
I thought Large started around, oh...8 feet?

>>26464884
2.4384 meters, if that's easier to visualize.

>>26464905

Sounds about right. A kid in every arm and still enough space for like 8 more to hide under the dress.

So, is that basically all ancient history, or is there still an exotic empire there east where the slaves are all minotaurs working for sorcerer kings?

>inb4 campaign about holding off an invasion by an army of giant bull men with intricately designed clockwork weapons led by wizards.

>>26464977

I don't think minotaurs would be so good with clockworks. I think their talents lie in building larger mechanisms. Huge automatic crossbows/Chu Ko Nu on steroids? Maybe. Clockwork guns and so on? That's a bit beyond them.

It's has... RETURNED!!!

Ok, another thing to look at is the Minoan Culture Angle, where the Minotaurs formed their own society resembling their real world namesake.
Beside Seafaring Merchants and Female Clerics, I was thinking their cities themselves could be somewhat labyrinthine.

I'm thinking concentric cicular walls divided into clockwise spiraling city wedges, with a road in the middle of each leading to the center of town, while the walls seperating each section acting as a highway out from the city center.

>>26465232

I'm not so sure how well hooved feet would do on a ship's deck. Minotaurs really don't look like they were made for sea travel.

I think it's pretty natural for a race of cow people to have an agricultural society (especially if you assume male minotaurs were created in the first place to pull plows), but here's another question that tends to come up: do they only raise crops, or also livestock? Cows are herbivorous, but then, cows don't walk on two legs or build mazes - and the original Minotaur was explicitly a man eater. Maybe they find eating beef abhorrent, but have nothing against mutton? (Even if they could digest human, you'd think the ancient wizards would've conditioned them against it, especially with half the race tasked with raising their children...)

Speaking of which, this caring and attetive nature would make female minotaurs primier shepherdesses.

>>26465733

>bonus Con
>bonus Wis
>bonus Cha

Fuck shepherdesses, female minotaurs are uber-clerics.

>>26465968
Good god, it's true.

>>26466347

Speaking of which, which gods would they worship? Some kind of Mesopotamian style Sun/Fertility/Agricultural deity that demands child sacrifice in return for plentiful carrots?

>>26466384
Depends on whether you think they're still protective of children or not.

>>26466399

Point. They probably wouldn't do it. The basic idea here is that they were literally designed with child rearing in mind, females at least. Too soft hearted to sacrifice them, or cute little sheep for that matter.

Still, agricultural deities if some sort seem right.

And a Sumerian/Babylonian aesthetic would mesh nicely with the preference for mazelike, monumental architecture ripe with bull and horn motifs.

>>26466508
Yeah, that I can see. Deities with tendencies towards LG or NG, most likely.

>>26466529
Can you even imagine an evil god of harvest? Ignoring the "harvest is plant genocide"bit, you're pretty much left with :
"Fuck you assholes, I'm gonna make your crops grow so much that you'll have too much surplus and will ruin the global grain economy! Hahaha!"

>>26466529
Maybe a LN sun god about having everything it it's proper time and place. Add in a calender based on the movements of the sun and it would make a lot of sense.

>>26466568
How about a thirsty god that demands that the fields be whetted with the blood before a single thing can grow.

>>26466605
Yeah, that'd work as well.

>>26466568

Well, funny as that might sound to you, the fact remains the Canaanite and Mesopotamian fertility gods were usually amongst the most bloodthirsty on some very bloodthirsty pantheons. Dagon and Baal? Both fertility gods, both demanded human sacrifice (which in the later's case, involved children being burned alive).

Those motherly female minotaurs with their genetically ingrained obsession with protecting children would probably go into rage at the mere mention of such practices.

>>26466508

Wait, they raise sheep for meat (you'd think they have all the milk they need...) but can't stand the idea of killing the things they raise? How does that work?

Do they practice some kind of special ritual slaughter technique (like Jews and Muslims supposedly do) that ensures instant and painless death?

Actually, thinking about it, it could be a nice little cultural quirk. Minotaurs have an entire set of Kosher/Halal style laws dictating exactly what can be eaten, how and when, and how it should be cooked. Could be funny when the party starts looking for a kosher inn when the Minotaur fighter angrily refuses to touch the food in the first one they tried because the dishes weren't sanctified with milk and rose water, or what have you.

>>26466800

Or maybe the females are vegetarians (or limit themselves to only eating fish and poultry, no mammals), but the males aren't. It could be a religious law or simply a cultural trait originating from genetic tendencies. It might look strange to humans, but seem completely natural to minotaurs.

>"But your husband loved thus restraint! He said they had great kebabs!"
>*storms out angrily mumbling about cultural intolerance and antisemitsm*

>>26466854
>Antiminotism

>>26466967

"Yeah, yeah. And you minotaurs were slaves to wizards for 6000 years. Save me your hoaxes"
>le happy architect
>moooi vey, wizards are opressing me.
>I wonder who's behind this thread

>>26467023
I laughed too hard at moon vey

>>26467140
Moooi, stupid phone.

What if, for their religion, they sacrifice cows? Normal cows?

It would be symbolic, see. Because the animal Cow is both the source of their power and nature, and the past they must overcome. They have to be more than cows in order to succeed as a civilization and as individuals.

They probably still don't eat cow meat, though. Except, maybe, as part of certain religious ceremonies.

>>26467023

Hey, maybe they were enslaved by some wizard-led empire. Forced to build pyramids and stuff. It makes sense, minotaurs would be strong workers.

>>26467247
Bar Mootzvah. Child mino eats a cow heart to signify adulthood.

>>26467261

"And I heard they use human blood to bake their -"
"Milk."
"No, seriously, they -"
"They just use milk. You wouldn't believe how much they have. It's like in every fucking dish. And they believe it's degenerate to drink animal milk, too. I hear they also bathe in it on occasions."

>>26467389

Milk and honey.

I imagine they make a lot of cheese, yoghurt and other dairy products as well.

>>26467261

Bull for male, cow for female.

>>26467389

Cheese, yogurt, cream-based sauces for various meats... I bet that the mino diet is very high-calorie.

Now, their sheer size will chew through a lot of that energy, but I still imagine that Minos either need to be very active or they are going to get chubby fast.

Also, I feel like "trading milk" would be a sort of cultural thing. Like, two neighboring families trade milk with each other, and donate milk to families that don't produce enough for their needs because maybe they have more sons than daughters.

Their milk isnt actually any better than yours, but the act of regularly drinking the milk of those around you kind of forces a more personal relationship, making the bonds of fellowship in the community very strong.

Laws of Minotaur Kosher:

- No cow flesh, except for extremely special ritual purposes.
- No human flesh, either. They find it repulsive on an instinctive level, since the wizards who made them weren't that stupid.
- No flesh of young lambs or chicks - the female minotaurs have no problem eating mutton or poultry, but they can't stand children being hurt.
- Sheep, goats, and chickens are slaughtered in a ritual fashion using a special knife, supposedly ensuring a quick and painless death.
- Meat is never cooked while the sun is up (it's indecent to do while the sun god is watching).
- Only drink minotaur milk. Drinking animal milk appears very filthy and perverted to them.
- Dishes are purified in milk, honey and fire.
- Children must eat first. Children who haven't consumed cow flesh in a ritual yet may not eat meat.
- Alcohol and milk are never on the same table (alcohol is for partying, milk is sacred. It's disrespectful). Naturally, all but the most religious just "cheat" a little by placing the alcohol on a separate table.
- Raw grass may not be eaten - it's barbaric. Grass cooked into various dishes (using milk and honey) is cool.

Anything more?

Hmmm. I wonder if Minos milk would be something that is desired or abhorred by local humans?

Like, they were made as wetnurses for one civilization, but that was a long time ago. Do rich people pay for minos milk because it is considered exotic? Do nearby towns frown on people who drink it? Is it basically treated the same as cow milk, and fairly common to find in human settlements where a family of minos lives nearby?

>>26467515
Maybe the people who live in the territory of the civilization that created the minotaurs would enjoy the milk, but foreigners to their land would find it weird/awkward to see how milk from a sentient humanoid is being sold like a commodity.

>>26467515

Well, I'm not sure we want to go back there, but in the ecchi anime that inspired this thread, minotaur milk is often said to have very beneficial properties (it's delicious, nutritious, and sometimes it can even grant strength or health or ensure proper child growth - in Lotte No Omocha, apparently, girls who drink a lot during their childhoods develop... well, you know).

If they were made by wizards in the first place, maybe there's a grain of truth to that. It's not like they lactate potions of cure light wounds, but it could be that minotaur milk is like super healthy and nutritious or something (would kind of make sense - it needs to feed creatures that grow to giant sizes).

Now, from a cultural point of view, of course, the idea of drinking milk coming from the breasts of a humanoid creature might look pretty unappealing to many.

>>26467406

Actually, I wonder about that.

They both need their rights of passage, but I would imagine that adulthood works differently for both genders.

For the males, the rite of passage is key. Strength is the core of what it means to be a minos male, and eating the bull heart is symbolic of that. Nothing wrong there.

But the core of what it means to be a minos female is helping and supporting others. I would imagine that the right of passage for female minos is reserved for when their milk first comes in, because it is only after that when they can start giving back to the community.

>>26467558

So, do they like fill a glass of milk for their mothers and their father's and ritually drink it?

>I don't know if it's a good or a bad sign that at some point in this discussion, the whole thing just stopped being sexual and became genuinely interesting from an anthropological viewpoint.

>>26467558
>>26467591
Maybe they could nurse children in their culture's equivalent of a temple; not necessarily every day, but at least once and on the day that they start lactating.

>>26467591

Welcome to /tg/, friend. Worldbuilding is just another one of our fetishes.

>>26467591

Well, while not an expert on the subject I would imagine that they wouldn't be able to fill a cup right off the bat. It would take a while to step up milk production to that level.

That said, maybe that is the point. You are not considered an adult until you can fill the cup, because only then do you produce enough to be useful. Give this a similar counterpart in the male right of passage: there is a certain, heavy stone you need to be able to lift to prove your strength of body.

>>26467558
At the same time, the cow heart could be symbolic of their giving nature (milk). Perhaps believing that ingesting the heart bolsters their own kindness and milk production/quality?

>>26467633

How could they nurse THEIR children on the day they start lactating? You'd think the second would have to come before they can actually get pregnant (assuming we are talking about fantastical minotaurs for which milk is actually a magical symbolic attribute which is very much a part of their being).

Maybe it's actually the other way around for a reason: on her growing ritual, a young minotaur breastfeeds the children of her NEIGHBORS, because the point of it is to show that she can give back to the community and the children.

(meanwhile, male minotaurs eat a cow heart and go kill something)

>>26467673

Poor minos that never get strong enough/produce enough milk never become real adults. How sad.

I bet those are the ones that leave minos society and become adventurers.

>>26467693
That's what I meant.

And yeah, I can see the cliches we're inserting into this culture, but cliches can be fun.

>>26467695

Or there's a special caste for them. Oracles, magicians, soothsayers, what have you. Ancient cultures tended to give those positions to "cripples" of all sorts. I read somewhere that this practice developed as a way of giving "justification" to the continued life of such subjects who had nothing concrete to contribute to the society.

So a female mino who can't lactate for some reason becomes a witch/priestess/whatever, and a male who isn't strong enough (or maybe one who can't navigate through a maze - don't forget that direction sense and engineering abilities are the male equivalents of lactation just as much as physical strength) becomes a priest or oracle.

Honestly, its nice that Minos culture thus far sounds like a really nice place to live. Very tightly bound communities, sharing of resources, obviously not terribly xenophobic.

I wonder if the men have occasional fits of rage? Mad bull, and all that. I imagine that uncontrollable anger would have been bred out of them, but maybe it is treated like a disease to them.

"Please forgive my uncle, he suffers from Rage sometimes."

>>26467724

I think it's more of a universal thing. All minotaurs, male or female, have magically infallible direction sense and an inherent knack for engineering (maybe at some later point in the existence of the ancient sorcerer culture, female minotaurs taught the wizards' children mathematics and geometry for that very reason). It's just the male social role to use those in order to build magnificent mazes and monuments. And fight and hunt and so on (although I assume they actually do rather little hunting - I'd imagine that their society has gone at least that far into the agricultural revolution).

They may find human meat repulsive, but that doesn't mean they can't kill humans to invade their lands/enslave them/defend their kingdoms/pillage and rape the women (OUCH).

The minotaurs who get locked up and fed human sacrifices are actually madmen who give a bad name to their culture. Its like a human who is not only a serial killer, he also hungers for the feces of his victims (human meat is that gross, after all).

>>26467750

There could be a warrior caste for whom raging is a boon. Like the viking berzerkers.

>>26467750

It's a social disease (males rage basically whenever, females rage when their children are threatened). I'd imagine they'd have designed their society to get around this unfortunate trait. Like how humans developed all sorts of social mechanisms to deal with the inherent (but undesirable) human drive to steal, kill, rape and so on. Maybe it's just an educational thing - after all, females are literally born teachers. Minotaur children are taught from a very young age that Raging is a big social no-no.

>>26467787
Would Mino jail be called "the pen"? Basically mino time out in a heavily fortified room?

>>26467820

If a child has a particularly serious rage problem, he could become part of a warband. I imagine roaming gangs of male minotaurs (with a few martially minded sorcerer/wizard/cleric females along) that live in a kind of semi-exile outside of mino settlements, and defend the land from threats. A way to release the pent-up anger that benefits the community. "Don't rage inside cities - go into the wild and kill monsters instead".

>>26467998

Now that there's a character background idea all set up.

>>26467998

These are, unfortunately, the minotaurs that most humanoids interact with. Traveling bands of hyperviolent killers that drive off anyone before they get close enough to see real minos civilization.

Occasionally, one of these ragers will split off from the Warband or simply get lost. Without direction, they go out into the world and, well, it almost never ends well.

This is where the Minotaur as Monster thing comes from. They are not accurate representations of the minotaurs as a people, but those legends exist for a reason.

>>26468037

Minotaurs don't get lost. They find the wrong way.

-Minotaur saying (and technically true, due to their preternatural direction sense)

>>26468037

Yeah, I can see they would be highly valued as berzerker slaves, gladiators or henchmen for some BBEG. A mino BBEG that hates civilization for being effeminate and weak, and who despises his brethren for being under the thumb of females (since the females teach the young) and assembles a nomadic band of raiders is also possible.

>>26468037

In order to travel safely to mino towns, I suppose some kind of letter of safe passage is required. Maybe a red flag (to riff off the old myth of red angering the bull) with a particular symbol on it? The symbol would be there to prevent forgeries.

I wonder if Minos hate magic. They were created by those Wizard kings, and presumably escaped/overthrew them at some point.

An interesting subplot for their civilization might be that they have an intense distrust of magic, but something is starting to go wrong with them. They are an artificial race, after all. Not natural. Maybe, over time, they are experiencing unforeseen consequences. Rage becoming more common, perhaps?

They really need some powerful Wizard or something to help them identify the problem and perhaps fix it for them, but they can't trust magic users enough to call the repairman.

>>26468079

I imagine they could distrust arcane magic, but have less of a problem with divine magic. Thus the prominent position of oracles, soothsayers and clerics in their society.

>>26468060

Only in wartime. Mino females are among the most hospitable folks out there.

This would really make them a better choice for the civ threads

>>26468060

Maybe something left over from their slave revolt that got their freedom long ago. Other slave groups or peoples that help them become free or gave them aid afterwards in settling a new home were given signs or banners as gratitude.

Anyone who travels under one of these signs of friendship will be allowed to pass unmolested, and they get passed down through families over time. Like some weird version of Letters of Marque. There are other ways to get there safely as well, but traveling under a sign of friendship is the best.
I am sure that there is at least one group or family that uses their sign of friendship as a means of secure trade with the minos, forming a kind of bottleneck that means that anyone who wants minos wares goes through them, and they bring the minos whatever they are willing to pay for.

Hmm, the Rage problem could be used for the male rite of passage. While the girls lactates, the boys rages. Once his first rage ends, and/or controls it, he is officialy an adult and receives a bull's heart to eat, to help with his future rages.

An important thing to notice, is that lactation doesn't have an exact age to begin in. Puberty can start earlier or later for some people, so the male's rage could be the same. Varies with the person, and indicates that the boy has entered puberty.

>>26468100

Yeah, but Minos males are not. Especially chronically angry ones.

It could be that only the larger minos cities in the heart of their territory have that restriction, and that border towns and minos settlements in other regions are much more open, because they have a smaller population of rage-males that need to be occupied with patrols (because they have a small population total) and thus a lower chance of travelers being accosted by an angry bullman.

>>26468126

Hey, maybe eating the bull's heart triggers the rage? Some kind of hormonal thing, where the mino just needs a small supplement for the rage to kick in. You can try eating a heart several times, if it doesn't trigger the rage the first time.

Maybe their could be two separate breeds of minotaurs; one dedicated completely to labor (architecture, farming, heavy lifting, etc.) while another to combat. Because, if you're going to make a slave race, you may as well make sure that the slaves who are dedicated to building and general day-to-day labor are docile.

After the minotaurs achieved their freedom, they started interbreeding (through females and their children) and, without any masters to control or separate them, minotaurs end up as mix breeds of the two 'castes' and can have children with a tendency to either specialization.

>>26468149

Wouldn't that make the heart some kind of natural medicine?

"C'mon boy, eat up. It's good for you and will make you MAD AND ANGRY"

Actually...what if the army used the hearts to make the soldiers rage? That would make cattles more valuable to the minos.

>>26468164

It'd be logical to have the females built for labor and the males for combat.

>>26468164

Eh, I'd rather leave that forlater, if not avoid it completely. Would have to make a sub-race before the race is even finished.

>>26468126

How about it is a process, rather than an event?

Males begin passage when they enter their first rage, which can happen any time during their teens, and have to learn to control it. There is some kind of Rite they have to be able to perform to prove they are a man, such as mastering their rage or lifting a very heavy stone or building something, which varies from town to town. Once they can do that, they are given the bull heart and become an adult.

Females begin passage when their milk first begins, whenever that may be, and they have to be able to fill a certain kind of cup or chalice to prove they can contribute back to the community. When they feel they are ready, there is a small gathering. They fill the cup, give it to their parents (the ones that need to be paid back first, having raised her) and they drink it. Small celebration, she eats a cow heart, and she is considered an Adult.

In both cases, passage can last months or years before it is complete, and others never complete passage at all.

>>26468186
>never complete passage at all

And THEY become the clerics and oracles and some such?

>>26468186
>>26468195

Sounds good to me.

>>26468195

Probably depends on the passage they failed.

Like, the towns where the male fails to ever control their rage? Those are probably the ones that get sent off to the warband.

The ones that fail to lift the rock to show their strength, or fail to produce enough? Might be given to other tasks after a certain age.

I don't think either of them can become priests, though. Not really. That would require them to oversee and perform rituals for others that they could not complete themselves, which would be weird.

>>26468195

Not clerics, but some other religious function. After all, a minos girl who can't lactate/a boy who can't fight are physically incapable of performing their "proper" roles. Clearly, the benevolent gods have intended for them another role.

So has any thought been put on the Minotaur's relationship with other races (like, say, humans)? I know we put down that human flesh is inherently disgusting to them.

>>26468234

Why not clerics? Surely it depends on what gods they worship?

>>26467511
>since the wizards who made them weren't that stupid.

Wow, its amazing on itself.

>>26467771
>The minotaurs who get locked up and fed human sacrifices are actually madmen who give a bad name to their culture.

Maybe human meat causes the rage, as part of a psychological and biological effect design by the sorcerers that made them.

>>26468248
It'd be funny if they were all "around dwarfs; watch yourselves" because of casual racism seeing them as half their height so perfect for pick-pocketing them. Halflings and Gnomes would blow their minds. Not to mention the strange motherly feelings the females might have for even the adult Halflings & Gnomes (looking similar to humans (their so far assumed creators) and all).

Since exposure to other races and lands is restricted to their terms (as in, they seem mostly disinterested with the world beyond their land) I imagine most non chaotic races would hold various levels of neutral diplomatic ties with them

>>26468338
Fucking deviant halflings and gnomes sneaking into Minotaur society to take advantage of the niceness of female minotaurs. The male minotaurs all get pissed off but the females just tell them to be ashamed of themselves for thinking a child could be capable of such behaviour It probably ends like that episode of bugs bunny with the stork and the mom and dad gorilla

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>>26468289

"Let's create a race of murderous 2.5 meters tall bull people prone to rage and have them take care of our children!"

>>26468382
You'll notice the wizards don't control the Minotuars any more. I wonder what happened to them

>>26468100

>Go meet your business partner, a minotaur silk trader
>He invited you to his estate in the minotaur city
>Completely fucking impossible to find your way around, minotaurs look at you and chuckle under their breaths
>despair
>Find to your happiness that female minotaurs are nothing short of delighted to take care of a lost stranger
>"You poor deary, look at you! You must be hungry and tired and miserable."
>She takes you home, bathes you, makes you dinner. Cordial, asks about your life.
>She invites you to stay over to sleep
>"No, thanks, I have someplace to go"
>"Oh, that's fine", she says, pulling out a breast. "For the way"
>You are not in the habit of sucking on random women's nipples, especially ones with horns
>Her husband comes back home and finds out you refused his wife's milk
>Hilarious chase ensures
>Alas, you can't find your way back to the city gates and end up beaten by an angry bull-man.

>>26468382
>>26468404

Well, they did a pretty good job with the females. And males seen like an excellent workforce for building.

>>26468424

Which brings another question to mind: cows are anything but monogamous. Is it expected of a male minotaur to have many wives (assuming he can care for them all)?

It might also make sense if you consider the female's behavior. It's not like they'd mind taking care of another woman's children - heck, they'll be honored.

>>26468424
And that's why I do all my business with Gnomes.
Little antisocial pricks, all of them. It's wonder they haven't gone extinct yet. At least they are typically to nervous around tall people to focus enough to swindle you out of your cash

>>26468456
Could be that the wizards made them more like humans in that regard so that they could keep track of who's with what, maybe some of the early minotaurs were super promiscuous, and the wizards got sick of it.

"No you can't have an orgy in my dungeon, I need to use that! Goddamn."

>>26468456
Society would probably fix that, technically Humans have no real Monogamous tendencies either but it's better for the social structure to have a stable family.

There's evidence of wider wife-groups taking care of children and raising the family together while the male works, but it never caught on in general (Mostly because Europeans found all of these disgusting degenerates and replaced them with christians).

>>26468456
Neither are monkeys in the wild, but that changes as a species evolves and emotions become more developed and complex. It would really depend on the wizards view on relationships. If it's a community that finds milk sacred to some degree, it may be considered taboo to offer your milk to an outsider or anyone over your child. Hell drinking milk is typically considered childish, so maybe grown Minotaurs wouldn't be able to drink milk at all.

It also brings up fashion, If sharing milk WERE common place, even with strangers, wouldn't that mean that females would rather have there breasts exposed 24/7 to show how capable they are of caring for others? But if it were something you only did in private fashion would gravitate to covering up the breast as much as possible without making the size appear any less, to imply decency but also capability to provide

>>26463769
Do they also cause ecological collapse like cows do?

>>26468523

Yes, but also remember that the females were literally designed with care (specifically, childcare) in mind. They were made a race of teachers, wet-nurses and nannies. Tending to the needs of others (not just their own children) is the most natural thing in the world for them.

From the earlier posts in this thread, milk seems to be kind of like wine to humans: it's sacred, but it's sacred precisely because it's such a staple drink. Minotaurs use it in "practically every dish". Females start lactating in a very young age and presumably minotaurs of all ages have an extremely milk heavy diet (and recall, they don't drink any but their own).

As for exposed breasts, it could go really go an awful lot of ways, really. Could be a point of pride, like fat women in certain times and periods ("Look at my magnificent, heavy, full breasts, I am clearly capable of caring for a lot of children"), or it could even be a sort of completely illogical thing from a human point of view (maybe they hide the breasts because they believe they might be damaged if they're uncovered, and gods forbid something damage the precious milk makers)

Thread archived for future generations. Never thought an OP about cowgirls would develop into an intelligent discussion of minotaur culture, history and society, but I guess we've just done the impossible.

>/tg/, building fantasy worlds from weird fetishes

>>26468456

I would take the Denobulan's from Star Trek as an example in this. Set an "acceptable" amount of multiple wives/husbands, probably around two or three depending on how much into the "swinger culture" you want to submerge them.

Maybe they're monogamous, but females are expected (and encouraged) to take care of their neighbors'/sisters'/friends' children just as well (joking aside, it might actually be true at least in some places that a minotaur female is expected to at least offer her milk to basically every guest of her household). Don't forget, their growing-up ritual literally revolves around proving that they can give off their milk to the community. It's what sets the women apart from the girls.

>>26468692

Well, if they really drink milk with every milk/use it in most dishes and they don't use animal milk, it's basically a given that the females have no problem with basically everyone drinking theirs.

>>26468653
>/tg/, building fantasy worlds from weird fetishes
This happens a lot. Anyone remember the setting where everyone lives on walking city-titans?

I would imagine that sharing milk is common place, but drinking directly is still a fairly intimate act reserved for family and maybe close friends or very honored guests. Usually, shared milk would just be offered in a glass or some other container.

How's the minotaur military like? What's it like to go to war against the minotaur nation?

>>26468773

But they're designed as wet-nurses. No point in that unless they're willing to have everybody's children biting at their tits 24/7.

Or do they treat children differently in this regard?

>erotic lactation and breastfeeding is the minotaur equivalent of teacher/student roleplay

>>26468724

They pretty much have to. Based on what was talked about earlier, it sounds like they begin lactating without any real external stimulus when they are old enough. No need for pregnancy or anything, their bodies just start making the stuff. They are going to fill up no matter what they do, and that shit hurts if you don't milk it out regularly.

So every female is going to have this excess of milk, and it has to go somewhere. Your only choices are to share it or dump it on the ground.

>>26468800

Obviously infants would still be treated as infants, but I meant more that having guests over and sharing milk with neighbors is usually done indirectly with glasses and bowls or something, rather than suckling from your neighbor directly.

>>26468800

Well, they seem to have a special affinity for children. Maybe it's perfectly acceptable (even expected) to let children (even strangers) drink directly from the tap, but adults who aren't family or close friends make do with cups.

Many a tragic family feud has started over one woman offering the child of another her milk in a cup. It's like saying her kid isn't worth caring for as one.

>Minotaur family feuds: either solved extremely quickly with a friendly exchange of milk or drawn out over a decade of bloody gladiatorial fights, depending on whether the women or men make it first.

>>26468779
Mainly heavy infantry. Not a lot of them wear much armor since there are few smiths other than their own know how to build such large armor.

>>26468842

Heavy infantry, some with automatic crossbows, massive siege engines (both results of the minotaur knack for complex engineering) and a clerical backup for nearly every unit.

Gods help the enemies of the army of the bull.

>>26468862
Crossbows in the shape of bull horns, nonetheless.

>>26468590
That's another thing I don't like that we came up about minotaurs. The whole "Being able to lactate before being impregnated" thing. I know they were made by wizards but that just seems like an excuse. Wouldn't the wizards want to make sure each femtaur could care for her own children properly BEFORE they handed their own children to their care? Couldn't we simply have breast development as a right of passage? The whole parents drinking their daughters milk from a chalice scenario seems weird to me.

>>26467511
>Naturally, all but the most religious just "cheat" a little by placing the alcohol on a separate table.
So wait, would there be a little nightstand next to the bull's chair with a bottle of rum on it?
Oh wait, even better: the center of the table has a circle cut out of it, and in the center is a smaller circular table with all the alcohol on it.

>>26468862

Seems their main disadvantage is in mobility. They have to watch for enemies trying to flank them.

That, and soldiers who get too badly injured might rage.

On the bright side, taking a minotaur city is damn near impossible. The place is literally built like a maze, it's a giant fortress, and it's full of 2.4 meters tall women who rage if their children are threatened. Bad combination.

>>26468842
I would think that there would be satyr and centaur auxillary for support.

>>26468779

I would imagine that the minotaur army wears little armor, and their tactics are so-so. A band of minotaurs is strong enough to wreck most other races based on sheer strength in melee. A tactical commander usually beats them in the field, but Minotaurs are the master of defense.

No one bothers to attack minotaur cities anymore, because no army that goes into one ever finds their way back out, and gets cut apart as they run for the exits oh god where are the exits.

Basically, they have a major defensive advantage due to their engineered cities and natural talent with mazes, and their natural abilities make them good enough that they win a "fair" fight, but they are easily routed in the field by a trained/superior force, and Minotaurs as such generally keep to their own lands. They fight to protect what they have, not to expand further.

The exceptions being, of course, those damn rage warbands who get ants in their pants and go start trouble.

>>26468862
So I feel like centaurs, who would logically be a nomadic race and bad at building due to a cumbersome body, would be the natural enemy if the minotaur?

>>26468897

And wait for the slave race female to get herself pregnant, give birth and take care of a generation of slave race children before she ever gets useful on her own? They're decadent, all powerful ancient wizards. They probably just milked the females who were too young to work, and when they did they wanted their own children to feed first.

>>26468918
Just because they're all hooved doesn't mean they're working together. Hell, Satyrs are party animals, how the fuck are you gonna' get them to work with you for something strict like military stuff.

>>26468928

Horses vs. Bulls vs. Goats.

Glorious.

>>26468897

Well, of course it seems weird to you. You are not a mino. You see the milk as something perverse, but to them it is perfectly normal and commonplace.

>>26468934
They're all powerful wizards who just created a race for the purpose of a wet nurse. Wouldn;t it take longer to find out how to get pre pregnancy lactation to to work than to just wait a couple of months for a next generation to be born and have the females who gave birth to weak or dead children be given a human child?

>>26468897

Keep in mind we're basically defining the equivalent of an alien culture here. They aren't going to conform to our notions of morality and sensibility sometimes.

>>26468928
Natural enemy? Probably more like a nuisance.

>>26468961
>implying there isn't already an "induce lactation" spell

Do you even pervy wizards?

Satyrs are literally the ultimate pervs.

All minotaur women look like human females with ginormous, lactating tits.

It doesn't take a genius to figure how the hatred developed.

So can anyone explain a logical reason for making Snake People

And not giant snakes with arms, I'm taking about half man half snake

>>26468961

> figure out how to get it to work

What is to figure out? It is just hormones. Pregnancy does it naturally, sure, but there herbs and stuff that can induce lactation even in men if taken in sufficient quantity because they trigger a hormonal effect.

Seems like something that would be cake to do if you are building your own species anyway. Just have that be the default hormonal balance for an adult.

It's about cultural differences. Minotaurs are heavily into settlement, agriculture, construction. Solid, immobile, safe things.

Centaurs are nomadic hunters and gatherers who often try to hit minotaur towns. Satyrs basically have NO ECONOMY OF THEIR OWN OTHER THAN WHAT THEY CAN STEAL AND PILLAGE.

And they look funny at the females.

>>26469014
Assassins?

>>26469029


I would imagine that Satyrs are the sort of people that would be welcomed as a novelty when they first showed up, but the longer they stayed around the more trouble they would cause until someone gets mad and throws them out.

>>26469019

Heck, it might even be one way of encouraging them to breed. Like >>26468815 said, it hurts if they don't let it out. Young minotaur females who started lactating would have to either share the milk with the other slaves (ensuring health), quickly get down to making children of their own (encouraging slave reproduction) or joining the wet-nurse workforce. I don't presume the ancient wizards gave them the option of just squeezing it somewhere for no benefit when they feel too full.

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On the subject of style and fashion, I imagine that traditional Minotauran.. Minoan..? beliefs and rituals might call for things like how long or short one is allowed to keep their horns, or what constitutes beauty, based on the ingrained ideals that their creators gave them. Like, the notion that the males are best when they are strong and putting that strength to use and that females are best when they are protective and compassionate towards the young.

I can almost imagine ancient Mino sculptures depicting an adonis type male carrying a massive load of construction materials, while the Venus figure would be kneels with numerous children of all species clutched close.

Obviously, prominently displaying the best and most valuable qualities, like large muscles in men and bountiful bosoms in women would be common, but there's also the whole idea of the rubenesque classical ideal of beauty, where bigger is more beautiful because it is a sign of wealth and plenty and health.

Likewise, someone above mentioned that the dairy heavy diet would lead to heavy minos. In a social sort of way, this could also be a sign of wealth and prosperity.. or even skill. Skilled farmers make plenty of crops, which gives them plenty to eat, which makes them productive milkers, which makes even more to eat, and so on and so on..

>>26468970
I feel like a group of very fast, probably armed with bows and arrows Mongol style, centaurs would be a death sentence to any mino warbands they come in contact with. God forbid they come in contact with the main Centaur Caravan

>>26469102

I presumed obesity (except in extreme cases, of course) is generally avoided because male minotaurs burn a fucklot of energy working all the time (fighting, carrying loads, plowing fields) and the females just recycle it away into more milk. They're big, but unless they're REALLY rich, they generally won't be complete fatsoes.

>>26468950
>Goat civilization
They all live in towers.

>>26469102
I feel like their Venus would have breast that would make an inflation fetishist blush

>>26469128

Right, but without defining out the Centaurs, we're left with trying to apply Mongol war tactics to what could simply be an occasional supply raid here and there.

>>26469054
Don't you mean assssssassssssinsssss?

>>26469151

"It always beats me why so many humans make the pilgrimage to the temple of the mother goddesses. They don't even leave sacrifices most of the time."

>>26469095
They wouldn't be that bad as mercenaries or scouts, since they would be able to run pretty darn fast over rough terrain. I guess they would prefer using javelins and spears rather than get into the thick of battle.

>>26469155

It depends on where they lived. If there's no wood maybe it's a Centaur right of passage to borrow his fathers or mothers bow, go with a bunch of friends and find a war band, kill them all, and then craft their own bow with the bones of a minotaur they're sure THEY themselves killed.

>>26469199
>rite of passage
>kill your brethren
For a society so rooted in family, this doesn't sit well at all.

>>26469225

He is talking about rival clans of Centaurs now.

>>26469199

The counter point to them being nomads is that they're also much suited to manual labor. Need to till a field? Just hook a plow to your ass and start walking. Need to move goods from one place to another? They can take entire carts, full of materials, rather than wasting space on supplies for themselves.

>>26469225

Sounds like propaganda minotaurs would tell about their hated enemies, though. For a race half of which are literally designed to be nannies, hearing that the enemy regularly kills their own family members would drive entire cities to holy rage.

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>>26468424
>first date with minoan grill (cow?) and I out on the town
>pass by tavern
>drunk stumbles out
>looks at us, says "howdy, cowtits!"
>I get mad
>"oh why thank you, young man!"
>mfw

>>26469138
Well, having body fat, and obesity are two very different things, especially when we're talking about a breed of bullmen who were created to be strong and do work.

I'm not implying that all the men are sumo wrestlers and all the women are enormous immobile beanbags with tits. Just that, given their diet, they'd probably be slightly more bulky and cushy than stringy and thin.

That, and the whole body-builder thing where they are so cut and tight and you can see every single muscle on their body twitch is something that body-builders only get from starving and dehydrating themselves so they look like that.

I'm not going to discount the idea of mino body builders showing off at the beach, or whatever, but the average mino likely wouldn't be built like a supermodel.

>>26469258

I don't know about you, but I've seen my fair share of bulls in my life. Grandpa had a ranch and all.

You can see the bulging muscles on those things. They're fucking monsters. You can feel them goring you from looking at them too hard.

>>26469225
Why do you think they hate each other so much.
Minotaurs bones make the best bows because the milk makes them so strong. When one famous Centaur warrior came back from a battle with a minotaur bone bow and showed its superiority compared to other bows made of other bones or native woods. He left again taking his sons who killed another warband, which became tradition in that family to have a Mino bow. Other Centaur clans noticed the superiority of their bow and adopted the tradition, thus making it almost SHAMEFUL these days for a Centaur to have abow made of anything besides minotaur bone

>>26469258
Yeah, the women are probably very curvy. Not fatass "MUH CURVES", curvy, actually curvy.

>>26469243
Plowing is mostly done by mules and oxen.

I imagine "Mule" to be an outrageous insult to Centaurs who believe they are direct descendant of the steed of one of the ancient Human war gods

I would imagine that, unless we are going full "planet of hats" here, there is a small group of mino females that actively resist the cultural norms and rally against "milk culture". They probably claim that the milk culture forced upon them by the ancient masters they threw off is just another thing holding them back.

They protest by taking herbs that reduce their milk production, and scorn standard milk conventions. This makes the other minos kind of uncomfortable for obvious reasons, and they are usually regarded as either being rebellious or crazy.

>>26469329
>mino version of tumblr

>>26469329
They also cut off their horns as well - horns are phallic after all.
Dear Lord, I hate the accusation that everything with precisely equal dimensions on all sides is phallic

>>26469444
Horns are a symbol of the Magiarchy!

Lets not get bogged down in minotumblr there. It is kind of a cool idea, but by its very nature those are a minority of the population.

It sounds like Mino civilization as a whole is about having a stable region to call their own, protecting it, and living comfortable lives sharing milk and building maze-cities.

Pretty cool guys.

I would think there would be conflicts between the smiths/engineers and the minotaurs' old nature shamans.

>>26469329
>>26469444

Yeah, let's not start that.

We kinda have a decent setting for a real mino culture. Now we just need to stat the race to use in games.

>>26469478
Whilst the Satyrs roam around stirring shit up in the cities causing the males to rage, and the centaurs roam the fields looking for those same raged males so they can make weapons from there bones.

Everything is not perfect in the hooved lands

>>26469507

Would they even have shamans?

Remember, they are an artificial race. Wizards made them. They are not natural, and don't really have any inherent connection to the natural world.

Whatsmore, the wizards probably would have discouraged them developing magic pretty heavily. I can see them having a religion, but only fairly recently. Perhaps only really kicking off after they formed their new civilization.

Mazes are another important part of Minoan society.
Unlike planned human cities, laid out in a grid, planned Minoan cities are themselves giant mazes, with private homes nestled in the many dead ends. Minotaurs, of course, can navigate the winding streets and twisting pathways with ease, thanks to their innate sense of direction.
When a Minotaur turns evil, his brethren say he got "lost in his own maze".

>>26469540
Well more like the other non races would have an influence on them. The dryads' and Pans' would not doubt try to put pressure on them (you have hooves too), and the dwarves and humans would see them as good soldiers/laborers.

>>26469566
i could imagine a minotaur getting lost in a planed human city because there not used to the straightforwardness of human cities, for example they keep taking turns when they just have to go strait down the road

>>26469577
A cult of hedonism propagated by the wood satyrs conflicting with a cult of steel propagated by the minotaurs' barbarian trade partners would be interesting to see.

>>26469614
I assume they're talking about DnD minotaurs, who are literally incapable of getting lost. Their cities are mazes to exploit this advantage, not because they're better at navigating mazes than straightforward architecture.

>>26469527

I almost wonder if we need to stat the sexes individually. It sounds like the females have a totally different frame of mind a physiology than the males.

>>26469623
Sound sort of like late Rome, with their mystery cults.

>>26469614
>be enrolled in foreign exchange program
>apprenticing for blacksmith in human city
>first day on the job
>directions given were a straight-shot across town
>get lost
Fuckinh hoomans.

>>26469623
The satyrs propagate loose morality and show the minos the joys of their gods of hedonism and their ways, using the good standing with the richer minotaurs plagued by boredom, so they start offering their excess milk which is considered a useful medicine in many countries, which the Satyrs gladly trade for their good times. The rich wives expose their breast in their fashion and offer to any passerby, shamelessly. The males adorn themselves with gold nose rings and other piercing in waht is a considered a rude slight to real warriors. Still somewhat ashamed of their typically fat state they cover up

Meanwhile the humans are working with the building and fighters trading schematics and building Techniques as well as hiring mercenaries, and being appalled by the minotaurs who adhere to the Satyr ways. The moderatley wealthy and poor are much more modest and cover up, only offering to milk close family and the best of friends. The first time offering your milk is still somewhat nerve racking to them. The males expose there bodies proudly due to their muscle structure provided by years of building and fighting. A single Iron ring adorns the noses of Male warriors as a sign of toughness.

And meanwhile the Centaurs wander the outside lands being bane to farmers, the arch enemy of warriors and trading with any humans on their way outside the minos cities trading furs, bows, food and drink, and being appalled by all the stories they tell of the decadent and shameless minotaurs.

>>26469641

That would almost certainly be for the best. Other than the large size, the direction sense, engineering bonus, and Con and Str bonuses, we are practically talking two different races.

>>26469625

Exactly. They probably just think human cities are boring, poorly designed, and reek of amateurish architecture.

"My son hasn't even eaten his heart yet and he could plan you a grander central temple. And the streets! It's like you're calling all your enemies in to have a share! Have you no honor?!"

Cue human kings hiring minotaur architects and city planners.

>>26469871
>Cue human kings hiring minotaur architects and city planners.


Why am I reminded of that Oglaf comic about that architect who was obsessed with labyrinths

>>26469902

"Sir Flamehoof?"
"Yes, my lord?"
"I hired you to design this new district of the city."
"And thus I did, my lord. Is it to your liking?"
"Nobody can find their way anywhere. People keep bumping into walls and walking in circles. Sometimes they accidentally barge into other people's homes."
"So would you like me to start on my new fortress schematic right away, my lord?"

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>>26469902
I like this comic too

>>26469871
>Minotaur designs new city
>Villagers migrate in hopes of a cleaner life in a new city
>What the fuck is this labyrinth shit
>most still hoping for better life walk right on in thinking its only some kind of wierd defensive wall
>Nope, they're fucked
>Can't find shit
>many starve to death
>Mino-Human relationships are ruined
>LaughingCentaurBitches.jpg

>>26469871
>Cue human kings hiring minotaur architects and city planners.
This wouldn't work out well, though. Humans need simple architecture during their daily lives because they're dense.

>>26469959
>not laughingmares.jpg
Cmon man, it's like you're not even trying

>>26469871

Lets see.

Males get +2 Con, +2 Strength, Large Size, +2 Knowledge(Dungeoneering), +2 Survival, Rage 1/day, and a unique ability where they can roll Survival to find their way through basically any maze.

Females get +2 Con, +2 Cha, Powerful Build (smaller than Large, but still get the bonuses of it), +2 Diplomacy, the unique survival ability, and they produce enough milk every day to feed 2 medium sized creatures.

LA +2?

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read thread, drew a thing, probably gonna have to redesign but these are initial thoughts for what a "average" one of y'alls milk kink things looks like.

It is at this point that I crow loudly that I'm not sorry.

>>26470042
>Roll survival to get through any maze
This is worse than standard minotaurs.

>>26470068
Feet are to be hooved, horns should be longer.
And that seems a bit too close to "muh curves" than it is to actual curvy.

Hmm, the nose rings could be a sign of either status or ocupation.

Before reaching adulthood, they either wear none, or wear a wooden ring. Once they become adults, they receive a small iron ring, or a wooden ring if they had no ring before.

Once they have a main role/job, they change the rings. Iron/Steel for warriors, an intricate ring for engineers/builders/planners, a bone ring for shamans/priests/clerics, a silver ring for merchants, bronze+leather ring for dedicated farmers/hunters, etc.

Horn decorations are used to demonstrate wealth, along other things.

>>26470068

Gentlemen, I believe this thread has crossed the drawfagottry horizon. We have now officially entered "Getting Shit Done" territory.

Good job.

>>26470096
Oh ok. Any ideas how I could fix the curves thing? Horns are easy to fix but hooved feet on a bipedal being with "normal" human legs are kinda what the fuck are you doing. Unless the legs would be covered in fur? or at leas the shins.

>>26469957
Yeah, I dig that comic. Some of the weekly updates aren't as funny. But then there are ones that have my sides in fucking orbit.

>>26470101

Horn decorations, yes. Nose rings, I'm not so sure. Don't forget, the reason they were put on human slaves in the first place was because of their resemblance to the ones put on cattle - used for controlling them when they are unruly (pulling on that ring hurts like all fuck and pulls their head in the right direction). Maybe male minotaur warriors would wear one to signify them being "Bound by duty", but otherwise I think a nose ring would be seen as even mildly insulting.

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I've been rolling with an Indian Style Caste system based Society of Minotaurs in my home setting for years now. Including confusing, chaotic, but very efficiently organized labyrinth indian style cities and temples.

The Males are dominated and run by a sort of Hierarchy where the The holiest cow is on top, than the military, than the farmers/tradesmen, and the merchants at the bottom.


I'm stealing everything in here.
Everything.

>>26470123

I imagine fur would begin at the shins with the females, yes.

As for curvy, I think people here are just crying for larger boobs. Much larger. Whether that'd be a smart thing to draw or not is up to you.

>>26470123
A better bust:weight:hips ratio is most of it. Make the hips and bust clearly defined, without going all wasp-waist.

>>26470123

If it were me, I'd slide the BMI index back two or three ticks. Enough that the muscle mass to support their frame is visible, but not enough to where they're just comically bad twigs with balloons attached. As for the legs, either fur em up or go for the digitigrade angle.

>>26470108
Man don't get resting on your laurels now. Is there even a 1d4chan page? Anyone collecting all this for an easy to read and explain document?

And as the drawfag, how do you know I won't ruin it with porn. I mean I don't even know how to draw porn yet but there's a very real risk I could be a huge faggot and try my hand at it anyway.

I ain't actually gonna do it

>>26470144

Screw you, all of this is SO going to be in my next campaign setting. Heck, if I don't get at least one minotaur PC, I'd be bummed. This is practically core race level of detail. Or maybe "semi-core", like drow or tiefling. Still.

Thinking on the find-way-through-maze thing, you can go several ways.

The Traditionalist Way:
The Labyrinth was supposedly built to contain the Minotaur. Ergo Minotaurs fucking suck at getting out of mazes.

The Supernatural Way:
Minotaurs have a supernatural affinity for mazes. They cannot explain how, but they just get them, and can easily navigate a maze because of a magically inbuilt (so in D&D terms, EX or SU, your pick) thing.

The Scientific Way
Minotaurs have immensely good spatial awareness and physical logical capacity (I dunno the correct wording), but this is why they're good with mazes. They can, without any effort, reason their way through a maze. What's more, they can adjust their inbuilt map on the fly. They're in a noneuclidean maze? A Hypercube? Oh well, that's just changing the otherwise static baselines of their map. Easy as pie. The scientific reason should give them an EX maze-navigating ability, good physical problem solving, architectural abilities and related stuff.

The Hollow Way:
Minotaurs are Myth. Myth is the Minotaur. The hallway is a hollow way is a hallowed way.
Holloway Roberts. Menomonie, Wisconsin.
Come and play hallways, always.
In my Lord's
>house
there are many rooms.

>>26470174

The Ancient Wizards kept their slaves in sadistic, magical mazes they could never escape without help.

For centuries. For millennia.

Imagine the looks on their faces when they realized their slaves have finally evolved an immunity. All the maze magic became a part of their brains, genetically transferable to their children. They became people of the maze. And they were fucking angry.

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>>26470162
>>26470157
>>26470155
Ok tried to balance things out.

Made the core a bit thicker and less "obvious thin waist" while accentuating the curvature of the hips and widening the thighs/calves, and added a bit more definition to the arms without altering their thickness too much.

better? worse?

>>26470123
Larger breasts, not thin legs but just not so thick.
You could have the reverse knees like people usually do.

>>26470250
That doesn't accent the curvature of the hips - it hides them with her fat. Did anyone even ask for thicker legs?

>>26470167

Is anyone working on a 1d4chan page? Because this thing needs one. This is fucking glorious.

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>>26470284
>>26470255
there, happy?

I'm not doing the "reverse knees" (Which isn't how they actually work but I forget the actual name for it, digitigrade?) because that is, to me, the stupidest shit on most things.

I'm not really liking a lot of the suggestions because to me they're coming across as "Make her sexier". I might just be being a bitch but I don't want this to just become mino-babes dolling around.

>>26470250

I like that you didn't go for the "sexy cowgirl anime" look and just made her look like a cow. As in, the kind of bodytype that usually gets called a cow.

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>>26470250
Well proportioned

>>26470344
>>26470359

Meh, I'd still go for larger breasts (the "fertility goddess" look), but I do understand your motives, and they are noble. Good work.

(as for the legs, by the way, the knees aren't reverse - it's actually the back of the very long, weirdly shaped foot. The hoof in the end is the nail. I know, it's freaky)

>>26470389
Well I was thinking this might be a ref for the average working class Mino who isn't exactly wealthy enough to support that kind of chest. The more well-off ones might get bigger but this is the most common, I'm thinking.

I'm also thinking of shrinking her head ever so slightly to make her look, y'know, taller. Because with this amount she's like 6 fucking heads so she looks short.

Maybe could lengthen the legs instead...

Good work, Mr. Drawfag. Would be fun to see a male, too.

Well, let's face it. An accurate depiction of what most of us probably have in mind wouldn't be very SFW. This is as close as we can get without coming off as the horny idiots we are, and I think it's great. There's even something ever so slightly bovine about her face, which I really like. It's those eyes, men.

>>26470438
Yeah sure I can work on that mind summarizing what you agreed on for a male? I'm a bit tired to go re-reading everything posted, sorry.

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>>26470068
>>26470250

She's too fat.
Horn's are too stubbly.
Her face is too fat.
She's too homely.

Do you know ANYTHING about Wizards? Or men for that matter?

Also have you ever SEEN a Dairy Cow?
They're not actually fat. You can SEE their ribs on most of them.
They're actually really skinny with huge tits BECAUSE most of their fat and energy is focused towards milk production. They wouldn't be Feminist "curvy" fat.

>>26470446
It's got to be the heavy-lidded eyes.

>>26470449
Tall, muscular, long and curving horns.
Sudden idea: Minotaur truckers

>>26470458
/tg/

Farmers and Ranchers

>>26470458

Maybe, but then this thread would quickly go from a very mature and intelligent discussion of an alien culture to yet another /d/ickish fapfest. We all know and understand that female minotaurs have big tits, but lets keep those pictures in our minds for now and focus on stating the race in PF/D&D.

>Captcha: grawzing beauti
>You accidentally added an extra W, captcha

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>>26470458
how could I have been so blind
here you go final interpretation love and kisses kkbai

>>26470501
Is the face actually bovine or are they bara as fuck hairy men with cow bits on top

>>26470541
Truly, a master of gravity based magics.

>>26470523
Nigella Lawson is the perfect model for what this thread seems to want.

https://www.google.com/search?q=nigella+lawson&um=1&hl=en&biw=1005&bih=599&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Z0YBUuyrMo2IhQe_tIHACw#bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&ei=eEYBUr6BBYf48wSflYGoBQ&fp=2e9eb0ee138a577c&hl=en&q=nigella%20lawson%20body&revid=1046527490&safe=off&tbm=isch&um=1&ved=0CA0QsyU

>>26470344

I didn't suggest anything, but I like this one. No need to change it anymore. Unless you decide to go with anime cowgirl ecchi style.

>>26470541
Bara to the max. I don't really like "full-on monstrous males, humans-with-extra females".

>>26469529
Hm wonder how they would counter centaur menace? For Satyrs the females will take care of them but the centaurs are a male problem.

>>26470569
That is basically happening never because that doesn't interest me conceptually or drawing-wise in the slightest

>>26470571
You don't know what you have awoken
You have unleashed the bara

>>26470607

Crossbows, reinforced towers spread over the territory, traps, and fucking huge ballistas?

Tings that usually impair movement should help dealing with centaurs. Like traps. Traps are also usually found in labyrinths, so I could see the minos using tons and tons of traps.

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>>26470571
Bara?

>>26470206
This gives us a Minotaur mythological hero-king saviour, the First Guide.

For five hundred years, we were slaves. Each night, sealed in the Grand Maze. Free to wander, we were told. Free to leave, should we find our way out. With each step, the maze would shift. We would chain ourselves together for safety. Mother to child, brother to sister, lover to lover. Connected, we were inseperable.

Then came Gevulot. As a child, like all minotaurs, he dreamed of walking to freedom. As an adult, he kept that dream. Some mocked his dedication to the impossible. Some praised his unbreakable spirit. Most only noticed his strong back, his thick arms, his heavy hooves.

Gevulot tried, each night. Forsaking many who wanted his companionship, he walked until sleep took him. The mages who kept his herd noticed this one slave, not chained by his own will, but they laughed. "He thinks he will escape!". Gevulot imagined their faces, sometimes, and walked all night with rage driving him onwards.

His herd, like all herds, had become attuned to the maze-spells. They recognised the telltale prickling in the nape of the neck when a great shift was coming. They could read the feeling of the walls, they knew when the spell was growing weak and needed refreshing. They had become good with echoes, they knew how smell lingered. They could retrace their steps effortlessly, and could adjust for small shifts in the maze.

But Gevulot was better. Through learning, through luck, through magical overexposure... he could read the maze. Slowly, laboriously, he spend three years honing his skills.

Then, one night, he made it to the entrance. He didn't step through. He returned and slept well for the first time since he had been a child.

>contd

The next night, as he stood to leave and walk, Ahuuv, one of his herd approached him. He knew her, and he knew her affection for him ran deep. It had been a long time, and he had earned some rest. That night, they chained their necks together, and Gevulot spoke of a place deep in the maze where they could lie together and whisper to one another until the pursuits of lovers overtook them.

So Gevulot led Ahuuv, and she followed him with a smile on her face, for she had long desired his comapnionship, and they lay together.

Later, as they lay in the understanding silence of lovers, Gevulot rose and beckoned to Ahuuv, and she followed him. Pointing, he showed her the gateway of the maze.

Ahuuv, unable to believe it could be true, begged Gevulot to become free with her. Gevulot, though, refused to leave without all of the herd. Ahuuv, believing Gevulot to have spurned and used her, ran deep into the maze, bellowing with sadness.

Gevulot followed her, but she told him to leave her, to take the herd and show them the freedom he had denied her. Hearing the despair in her voice, and knowing he could not make her love him again, Gevulot left with a heavy heart.

That night, the herd broke free. Chained together, one hundred and forty-three minotaurs walked out of the maze, the ground thundering with their hooves, the air thick with cries for vengeance. Loudest of all was Gevulot, who cried for two, and who fought for love taken from him by the cruelty of the maze.

>contd again

The stories of a settlement destroyed by minoaurs who had achieved freedom was thought an old wives' tale for generations. The minotaurs, living in the desert, carving mazes from the bedrock and freeing others in the night, were stories told to bring unruly children inside when the sun set.

Then, Gevulot's army marched into civilised lands once more, and demanded freedom for all their people. Gevulot, long dead, had passed unto his children his gifts, and his children had become the mothers and fathers of the great minotaurs of today.

Unable to stop their former slaves, humans had no choice. Faced with the threat of one hundred and forty-three thousand minotaurs at their city walls, they unmade the mazes that trapped their slaves.

The wrongs of the past are not forgotten, but the minotaurs did not call for a blood-debt. Now, long free, they make their living among us. On the eve of the festival of freedom, they chain themselves together, lest they forget their past.

On sunrise the next day, they break those chains and bellow, lest humanity forget.

>>26470777

So it's basically canon now that minotaurs speak fantasy Hebrew? Because of they do, just a nitpick: the female form of "Beloved" is Ahuuva, not Ahuuv.

>>26470806
Thanks. I used google translate and the wiki article for hebrew to get the spelling "Ahuuv", which is why it's incorrect - please, use the correct spelling if you're copying down that storytime I just did.

>Gevulot I got from reading the Quantum Thief, which is an awesome bit of sci-fi that people on /tg/ should read.

I thought that "Borders/boundaries" would be an amusing name for a minotaur maze-defeating legendary hero, and having a few bits of real stuff to base names for fantasy stuff on gives a bit of consistency. It's a pet peeve of mine when a fantasy race has a really inconsistent language.

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>>26470806
>Ahuuva
>beloved
>sounds like hooved
It behooves me to laugh at such brilliance

>>26470763
Bitches be crazy.
"He's not abandoning his people, I'll stay in this maze forever!"

>>26470883
I'm liking the general poutiness of their mouths. Is he wearing pants? Do male minotaurs wear shirts?

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>>26470777
>>26470763
>>26470755

>>26470851

Oh, it is. If you really want to be anal, it's actually "Gevuloth", but your version sounds better. Other possible names:

- Mankhe/Manhe (guide)
- Movill (leader)
- Kivun (direction)
- Mavoch (maze)
- Pitul (twist)
- Derech (way)
- Sh'vil (path)
- Seadim (footsteps)

More useful words: Shor (ox), Par (bull), Para (cow), Egel/Egla (calf, male or female respectively). Eved (slave), Hophesh (freedom), Heruth (liberty), Sharshereth (chain), Halav (milk), Devash (honey).

Anything more?

>>26464478
Bullshit it's not. What a terrible thread.

>>26470942
>Hopesh
Minotaur people must be ancient Egyptian. I will have it no other way.

>>26470962
Considering how mazelike middle eastern architecture is like, this doesn't seem that far fetched.

>>26470962

Well, they appear to be Hebrew, what with their having a myth of escaping slavery by a powerful empire and kosher laws and bar mootzvah and what have you. The Egyptians would be the Ancient Wizards.

>>26470949
>bullshit
This is considered one of the dirtiest of words by Minotaurs because it implies the feces of bulls is useless and not a great fertilizer.

>>26470962
Clearly they should be Minoan.
On the plus side for you they still have pyramids.

>>26470905
I felt I had to throw some tragedy / loss into the semi-mythological how-minotaurs-became-free thing, hence that reaction.

>>26470942
I copied Gevulot letter for letter from a novel. I figured it probably wouldn't be the right form for a name, but it sounds OK and was close enough for me, given I don't speak hebrew and didn't expect anyone in the thread to pick up on it.

I figure Guide or something similar could be an important minotaur title.

>>26470962
No reason they can't have had contact with other cultures and imprinted heavily from them, too. Perhaps they were sheltered early in their freedom by another group who were egyptian.

>>26470988
Brought out of slavery by Mooses, a prophet of their god Jehoovah. The pharaoh was, of course, Rameses II

Would they view skin-modification as distasteful?

Seeing tattoos and the like as brands. That they imply that someone owns you and that is their mark.

>>26471012
And topless clothing.

>>26470883
A good start. I'd go for a prouder posture though. Broad shoulders, chest puffed out a bit. They want to appear as big and imposing as possible.

They don't have to be cut like a diamond, but I don't think the slouch quite fits them.

>>26471017
I'd have injected tragedy by the minotaurs getting the hell out and being all peaceful until humans retaliate for the escape.
Ahuuva and her child are killed, eradicating the Gevulot line. Then shit gets serious with all the wars and TRUE MINOTAUR VIOLENCE!

>>26471048
Don't make them tattoos - make them actual brands. And they're not bad at all - in fact, they're given during the end of the rite of passage as a mark of belonging to the clan in full.

The race of magic-users who first created them are a mystery.

It is assumed that they were human but without any real proof.

It appears that they were universally magic users but species is as yet unknown. Their surviving artwork consists only of wall carvings on their winding cities and is very stylised. They appear to be humanoid and they appear taller and thinner than dwarves. Human or elf is the main belief or maybe some hybrid of the two. A few even suggest some now extinct breed of orc.

What were they like? No one knows for sure. The fact that they created an entire race for servitude to their own needs suggests that they were either cruel or at least uncaring. Some of the scenes in the carvings depict them feasting on flesh, both of their own kind and that of their creations. The nature of these cannibalistic consumptions is unknown. Was it a religious ceremony, necessity in times of a great famine or a form of execution?

The nature of their disappearance is as of yet unresolved. The most widely held belief is of some sort of rebellion. Others point towards some sort of catastrophe like a disease reducing them to numbers below what was needed to keep their empire running. There is a belief that they were afflicted by a lasting sterility and they fell in a single despair filled generation. There is a fringe belief that they interbred with their more numerous slaves to the point where they were no longer recognisable as a separate species.

Independent Mino civilisation is an estimated 3,500 - 4,000 years old. They have only had a standardised written language for the last 1,200 years. The alphabet they use is a now almost extinct version of High Elvish but the characters are phonetic and little of that old language is kept. It is assumed that the acquired this from elven merchants although it does lend some credibility to the elven creators theory.

>>26471081
We need stories for when they came in contact with the other hooved people. Maybe the humans sent them to the "Hooved lands" thinking it would be where they fit in. They immediately run into the deviant Satyrs who they think our just like them but smaller who then turn out to be hedonistic troublemakers and the nomadic warrior Centaurs who they get along with for all of ten seconds before realizing their cultures are polar opposites and that they're going to be taking a spot of their plains permanently

>>26471148

What if it was centaur lands originally, the minos moved in after that and the feud between them started, and the Satyrs are only a recent migration into the area, taking advantage of mino hospitality?

>>26471192
that works

Wait, so are Satyrs hooved Kender?

>>26471192

"WE ARE NOT TAKING IN ANOTHER GOAT"
"But look at him, he's so small and scrawny -"
"AND YOU'RE NOT FEEDING ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE CREATURES, UNDERSTAND, WOMAN?"
"B-but you're always late from work, and they get so full..."
*SLAP*

Tune in for more right after this commercial for bathing salts.

>>26471231
Well more promiscuous than kleptomanic

>>26471231
Much more malicous and hedonistic. Lets say they got shipped from the forests to the plains cause the humans were sick of their shit. The minos being hospitable and ,seeing what was essentially mini thems, invite them into their homes without realising their mistakes. The centaurs took one look at them and said "OH SHIT MINI CENTAURS" and chased them off.

So Satyrs are essentially the gypsies of the hooved races.

>>26471289
>MINI MINOTAURS

damn it

>>26471243
CLICK
"Chione will offer each of you one of these bottles. As you can see, they're completely opaque. When you drink from it, if it his her milk, you are safe. But if it is only water, then you have been eliminated and must leave the barn."
NEXT TIME ON THE BACHELORETTE
CLICK

>>26471328
Minitaurs?

It is an odd thing about the Minotaurs that the Scrawny and the Dry are the only ones with any aptitude for magic.

What level of technology have they achieved?

>>26471366

Is that from Dragon's Crown? Because I could think of a few pictures from there that might fit well in this thread.

>>26470998
So is "pasteurization". Minotaur milk is free from any taint!

>>26471389

Ancient Wonder tier. They do not have a very advanced level of technology, but what they can do with it is really impressive.

Like, "Thousands of years later, humans cant figure out how these pyramids were built using only slaves" tier.

>>26471400
I'll bet you could.

An alternate race feature could be resistance to magic. That could replace the inner labyrinth compass.

Or, if it replaces the Knowledge (Dungeoneering), we could have a sub-race fit for fighting the evil magic users. The would be specialized in fighting arcane spellcasters as soon as identified, no amtter their age.

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>>26471400

Not the anon who posted the DC mino but here's the one from SMTIV.

It may be a small thing but nobody here mentioned it:

Since they were created as wet-nurses we may assume that Minotaur females lactate naturally from onset of puberty. Not from first pregnancy.

>>26471485
Would adult breasts lactate constantly, or would it be a cyclical thing?

>>26471406

Actually, that does raise some questions. If minotaur females really do produce such incredible amounts of milk, you'd think the minotaurs would be all over finding a way to preserve it. They may not want to drink it all every day. Maybe the Ancient Wizards gave them some kind of alchemical pasteurization process (or maybe, they took it by force). Maybe they combine that with dug out "milk basements" under their towns, excavated right under underground rivers and kept cooled by an ingenious system of pipes.

Maybe minotaur priestesses just prepare a fucklot of Purify Food and Water spells.

(or, if you really want to go all out, maybe minotaur milk is just magical like that and never goes bad)

>>26471445
I don't think he's a sexy mino, but I love the skullface in the nostrils/mouth design.

Also, he was kind of a pushover, as far as SMT bosses go.

>>26471485

Yeah, that got mentioned before. It is pretty central to their right of passage into adulthood for females.

>>26471485
>>26471502
I sort of like the idea of them being on a cycle. Perhaps it's a very frequent cycle, or even just a monthly one where they produce enough to store later or feed multiple children as necessary..

Could also just be *MAGIC* where they start to lactate as long as there's a hungry child in their care.

>>26471485
This has already been established in the discussions on the "coming of age" rituals.

Maybe, in the rural lands outside the fortress cities at least, the excesses milk that is produced is returned to the fields in a dawn ritual.

>>26471505
I actually meant "minotaur milk is free from all taint" as cultural propoganda. They would be offended at the idea that their milk was impure in any way. In reality, of course, viruses and such can be passed through breastmilk.

>>26471502

The implication here seems to be the first one. Pregnant, not pregnant, summer, winter, minotaur females keep producing milk basically all the time, from puberty until they're too old. They are all too eager to make use of it, both because of their culture and because frankly it begins to hurt after a while.

So nowadays a minataur is just a person who has horns?

>>26471536
I like the idea of it being constant.

Reminds of them of their duties and their creation.

>>26471359

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVTfszppJl8

>>26471564
Horns, ears, a tail, possibly hooves, and highly improbable gazongas.

>>26471564
And a big chest, of course

>>26471564
>nofunallowed.png
>>26471551
Wait, do cows hurt if they aren't milked regularly? Interesting.

>>26471584
oh god what

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>>26471564
No.

Great gender based dimorphism.

Male ones are far less human.

Already explained early on in thread.

>>26471633
Tobuscus bro, Tobuscus

>>26471599
>Wait, do cows hurt if they aren't milked regularly? Interesting.

Yes. Also increased risk of infection of the udder.

>>26471599

>Wait, do cows hurt if they aren't milked regularly? Interesting.

Err... Duh? I assumed that was pretty well known. I mean, why wouldn't they? You know how it feels to not go to the bathroom for like 8 hours after drinking five bottles of coke? It's kind of like that, except their udders are likely more sensitive than your bladder, and are comparatively A LOT fuller. It hurts them like a motherfucker if you leave them unmilked for long.

>>26471646
Whatever it is, I'm rocking out
>>26471635
No, we decided both would have humanish faces.

>>26471599

Cows and people both.

Cows have it worse, of course, because we have bred them for high milk capacity under the assumption that it gets drained. If they don't get milked, their udder keeps filling up and it has no place to go. The swelling can even do internal damage that results in infection called Mastitis. Aka: inflammation of the breast tissue, or in this case udder.

Humans have it slightly better, in that women are generally not producing at the same capacity as cows, but if not milked the breasts still can become painfully swollen. The big difference is that a woman has hands to relieve the pressure if need be, and a cow does not. However, squeezing the milk out by hand is one of the roughest ways to do it, and the breast usually feels sore afterward.

>>26471683
Check his literal video trailers. Dead space 2 is good

>>26471700

Heh. I wonder if young minotaur females are taught to think of "self-milking" like that somewhat like human females are taught to think about masturbation. It's okay to do, occasionally, in private, when you're really stressed (or full, in this case), but it's frowned upon and certainly not something to talk about or something good ladies do.

>"And your nipples will look unseemly if you do that too much!"

Rolled 9

>>26471700
Rolling to lose lactation fetish, DC 14

>>26471505

I'd say the mino milk is far more durable and healthier than most milk avaiable in the market. If there's too much milk for the minos, then they sell the excess and profit!

Of course, normal bovine's milk lasts...what, 3 days? Minotaur milk should last 3 weeks, then, or a full month.