>>25624200
>Is anyone interested in continuing?

As always, Plasma.

Until the last ridge!

>>25624200
yes.

Lets harrock & roll

>>25624200
>>25624207
Also, should I archive the thread now? Just because, apparently, there have been a couple of people going around mis-archiving things, and I don't want that to happen with this quest.

What sort of stuff are we going to be starting with? Then I can at least do a description for the first bit.

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As this rule continues to enforce order and removes any discussion of tripcodes, I'll maintain it until the moment it stops being useful.
>Anyone who posts with a tripcode or a name will be ignored. If you wish for your contributions to the quest to be read, then you will post anonymously.

I'd also like to propose a new guideline. Not necessarily a rule but it'll make this quest more pleasant to read and to participate in.
>Please refrain from offering any praise or comments on how the quest is being run until after the quest has ended.
A large amount of people are tired of reading “Plasma, you are awesome.” I am one of them. The fact that you're participating is enough praise in my mind. Over-saturation of compliments is transforming this quest into a circlejerk and that's the last thing I want.

In addition, Page has started up his own Game of Thrones quest again. I suggest you read the adventures of Lord William Bordain for yourself. It predates the Quest of House Harrock and to be frank, if you like this quest, then you'll love Page's take on GoT. It takes place every Saturday, starting at roughly 9PM EST.
>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Iron%20and%20Hate%20Quest

Finally, a new rule. Never again shall you find House Harrock Quest on Fridays. This is strictly a once-a-week quest thread now, if that.

>Is anyone interested in continuing?

i will commit vague yet grave acts of sexual misconduct upon your person if you don't continue.

>>25624239
>Finally, a new rule. Never again shall you find House Harrock Quest on Fridays. This is strictly a once-a-week quest thread now, if that.

Why?

>>25624239
>no more Friday sessions

That's a shame, but one session a week is better than none. I take it it'll only be running on Mondays then?

Let's roll.

Hey Plasma, I'm in.
And I have a proposition. After we get the marriage thing settled (quickly, I hope), maybe we can enforce law in the village growing under us. We could talk to the villagers and see if they have any problems that we could solve.

DONT FORGET TO SEND BRONZE YOHN BROCKS MEASUREMENTS

He needs that plate

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>>25624386
People have completely forgotten this.
>Implying that Bronze Cunt is going to swindle our son out of armor
I'll start a war over this insult.

Where have you gone, Plasma?

Sweet, it's the best part of the day!

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>>25624226
Your choice. If you do archive, we'll likely be handling the selection of your future in-laws and also the maintenance of the House at the end of the month.
>>25624259
please no
>>25624260
>>25624262
Work and family take precedent over everything else. Mondays only.

A collection of important characters for those who need to catch up.
>UPDATED ON 24/06/13, CONTAINS HOUSE STATISTICS AS WELL.
>http://pastebin.com/RHcYjHYC

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Westpass. This is your land, your territory, your home. It's a harsh and unforgiving place, sparsely populated by evergreens and hardy shrubs. It's a steep valley filled with sudden falls, treacherous cliffs and unexpected gutters and furrows. Anyone who lives in this part of the Vale of Arryn quickly learns to walk softly and with great care.

Splitting Westpass in half is a great river just as unimaginatively named, the Westflow. Born from a great sheet of water that descends from the mountains, the small stream quickly transforms into a great raging current, with many muddy little rills and brooks contributing to its size. Despite the dangerous pace at which it flows, there are a few safe places where the river can be forded.

Clinging to the mountains on either side of the Westflow, the road for which the region is named winds and bends, a well-worn path of gravel and dirt that it is your duty to protect and maintain. One of the few routes in and out of the Vale, many merchants use the Westpass for their trade routes for a certain fee. To the North, the road leads to Strongsong. To the East, the road leads to Crown Crag.

Finally, there are the great structures of Westpass. The hub of civilisation is High Harrock, a grim and foreboding structure that brings comfort to the inhabitants of the region as the sole provider of protection, boasting an iron mine and great solid stone walls. Then there are the two towers that guard it; Skycliff built amongst the peaks and Wetrock built upon a solid stone foundation beside the Westflow.

But what about the people who live here? There are a few thousand smallfolk scattered throughout the land, in huts and hovels that dot the rocky landscape. It's a hard life but honest life, where they harvest and farm what they can, whenever they can. Some keep herds of hardy mountain goats for their meat and milk, while others farm lettuces, berries and edible ferns.

This is your land and these are your people. Treat them well.

Someone repost the marriage proposals. I think it was agreed upon that we would turn down Frey and Corbray

>>25624499
>Work and family take precedent over everything else. Mondays only.

That's cool, I can relate. Means I can start going out drinking on Friday nights again now!

>>25624499
And archived pre-emptively. I'll make sure to update it as we go.

Just didn't want anti-quest fags fucking stuff up.

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>>25624518
>>25624499
>>25624239
>>25624200
>MONTH 3, DAY 23

You are still poring over the many proposals of marriage and betrothal that you have been sent, trying to choose which ones to eliminate and which ones to pursue. It's quite a difficult choice but you have a few ideas. You spend a moment browsing through the proposals again:

>If Lorenna Egen marries Brock, no wealth switches hands. Lorenna Egen is an attractive half-Braavosi girl with strange behaviour.
>If Kyra Frey marries Brock, no wealth switches hands. According to the son of Lord Walder Frey, she's a pleasant girl.
>If Carolei Waynwood marries Brock, you receive 2 Wealth in dowry. Apparently she's extremely sharp and intelligent - and comes from an old family.
>NEW: If Eyra Hunter marries Brock, you receive 2 Wealth in dowry. A more martial woman, a skilled archer as are the rest of her family.
>NEW: If Myranda Royce (of the Gates of the Moon) marries Brock, you receive 3 Wealth in dowry. A pleasantly plump woman - perhaps Brock would enjoy a woman who shares his weight?

>If Alber Egen marries Katrin, no wealth switches hands. A weedy, excitable boy who speaks little of the Common Tongue.
>If Walton Frey marries Katrin, you must pay a dowry of 3 Wealth. According to the Freys, a most honourable and righteous fellow.
>If Robar Royce marries Katrin, you must pay a dowry of 5 Wealth. Honourable, intelligent, the perfect knight and the perfect man.
>If Donnel Waynwood marries Katrin, you must pay a dowry of 3 Wealth. A rather quiet fellow who seems to enjoy being out of the way.
>If Alesandor Saul marries Katrin, you must pay a dowry of 2 Wealth. Keen, intelligent, ever watchful. A cool and collected lord with a vast mind and a potential ally.
>NEW: If Lucas Corbray marries Katrin, you must pay a dowry of 3 Wealth. The third Corbray brother. If Lyonel is the leader and Lyn is the soldier, then Lucas is the spy and the sneak.

>>25624642
You had a few plans in mind. These plans were:

>Invite Lorenna to stay at House Harrock to stay and to get to know her better.
>Deny Kyra.
>Invite Carolei to get a better grasp of the woman and who she is.
>Deny Eyra.
>Deny Royce.

>Deny Alber.
>Deny Walton.
>invite Robar Royce over to stay so that you can get to know the lad, see if he is as good as Yohn claims.
>Deny Donnel.
>Deny Alesandor.
>Deny Lucas.

>Also send off Brock's measurements to Bronze Yohn, as asked.

Do you wish to change any of these plans?

>>25624642
>>25624693
>And every deal can be negotiated, if you so desire.

>>25624693
I would ask for Donnel to be added back onto the list.

We could really use the influence and it won't be likely Carolei and Brock will get along

>>25624693
Corollary to Lorenna- push Egen for a dowry

>>25624499
We really need to increase defense and lands

>>25624732
I feel like this is a good course of action, so that we don't burn all of our bridges if Robar turns out shitty.

>>25624642
Hmm...

I think we had decided to not go with Frey at all. Others had said no to Corbray, but this description of him sounds like he could be useful, though I doubt the Corbrays will ever be good friends to us, given how severe Lyonel is, and how much Lyn hates our guts.

I would suggest:

>Invite Lorenna to House Harrock, partially to get to know her better, and partially due to the expected coup by Ser Crowlys.
>Deny Kyra Frey
>Invite Lady Waynwood and Carolei to High Harrock, let us see what they are like

I'm not sure about Eyra Hunter (what do we know about her House) or Myranda Royce - they might be worth talking to, as Brock might appreciate a martial woman, though he has very much taken to Lorenna Egen.

As for Katrin:

>Deny Alber Egen
>Deny Frey
>Invite Robar
>Invite Donnel Warnwood
>Think about Saul carefully.
>Think about Corbray, but probably deny.

>>25624764
If I'm not mistaken, 0 means there's none to spend, while anything else means unused resources. An high score in those departments would be useless

>>25624747
If we do go with Lorenna, yea, we should push for at least 2 Wealth for a dowry, though if we get evidence a coup will happen, then we should instead wait for that to begin, then sweep in and "assist" Lorenna in her claim to the land, marry Brock to her, and basically run Egen's lands, due to Brock being Lord of Crown Crag.

Attach Brocks measurements on the letter where we request robars visit to bronze yohn

>>25624642
Waynwood you niggers. We rely on royce too much.

>>25624811
Basically, yea. We actually technically have an extra 50 in Defence, since we have a small castle and two towers (hopefully it'll soon be 3).

>>25624642
>NEW: If Eyra Hunter marries Brock, you receive 2 Wealth in dowry. A more martial woman, a skilled archer as are the rest of her family.
I'd be okay with this
>NEW: If Myranda Royce (of the Gates of the Moon) marries Brock, you receive 3 Wealth in dowry. A pleasantly plump woman - perhaps Brock would enjoy a woman who shares his weight?
Do realize her first husband dies while fucking her (she says it so Sansa in Feast)? I don't want Brock doomed by canon, so fuck that fat cunt.
>If Alber Egen marries Katrin, no wealth switches hands. A weedy, excitable boy who speaks little of the Common Tongue.
We could do this instead of marrying Brock to Lorrena

>>25624821
This, definitely.

>>25624827
Yea, I'm starting to think that we should go with Waynwood, if only because, as you said, we do rely too much on Royce, as much of a dude as he is.

If we can end up claiming Egen's lands for our own after a coup, though, we should marry Brock to Royce, Waynwood or Hunter, and Katrin to Royce, Waynwood or Saul.

>>25624853
Canon can change, anon. Remember that.

>>25624853
Sorry about samefagging, but if Lady Hunter's daughter is strong enough to earn the adjective of "martial", then that would mean we'd have strong children and a strong daughter-in-law. And if we marry him to Lorenna, we might have Warg grandchildren.

>>25624862
to claim Egen's land after a coup wouldn't we need to marry Brock to Lorenna?

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>>25624895
>Alber Egen is the heir
>Marry Brock to Lorenna
That makes Brock Alber's heir.
>Alber suddenly dies (the "coup" part)
>Brock is now the heir to the Crown Crag
That simple, friendo.

>>25624895
It depends, anon. Did they all die in the civil war? If she's still alive, we still exert a HELL of a lot of pull on her, but yea, to make 100% sure, if Lorenna survives and no one else from Egen does, we'd have to marry Brock to her, and then Brock would, by default, become the new Lord of Crown Crag, but both lands would be owned by House Harrock (I doubt Brock would change his name to Egen, though it might be worth doing so to make us not look quite so formidable).

Rolled 17

>>25624895
As dear friends to house Egan, we can only strike the rebels down in revenge. Much of our business was going through crown crag recently, so it be only right that we take the land. We were so trusted by lord Egan that he was willing to marry his daughter to our son. Without paying a dowry.

>>25624789
House Hunter is ruled by Eon Hunter, commonly known as Old Lord Hunter. Their house is of little actual power but Old Lord Hunter has ruled for over forty years now and has earned a name for himself as one of the more personable lords in the Southern half of the Vale. A very pleasant fellow, with strong connections to Jon Arryn and even Robert Baratheon himself. As for the rest of the family, they're known for little other than their skill at hunting and archery.
>>25624747
>>25624816
>Acknowledged.
>>25624732
>>25624787
>>25624827
>Acknowledged.
>>25624821
>Done.

>Demanding dowry for Lorenna Egen.
>Requesting a visit from Donnel Waynwood.
>Also sending this letter to Lord Benedar Belmore: http://archive.foolz.us/tg/thread/24940637/#24947520

>Any final decisions on Lady Eyra?
>Any other requests in letters to send?

>>25624932
>>25624895
>>25624939
>>25624958
As far you are aware, current members of House Egen include:
>Loras, Head of House.
>Vardis, estranged brother of Loras and Captain of Jon Arryn's Guard.
>Alber, son of Loras.
>Lorenna, daughter of Loras.

>>25624982
>>Any final decisions on Lady Eyra?
I say we should seriously consider marrying her to Brock. I'm the anon who talked about strong children. Lord Egen has already offered as Alber Egen multiple times. I don't know why we're all so hellbent on having Brock married to a Warg.

>>25624932
Something just occurred to me:
Isn't Lorenna somewhat psychic? Is it a good idea to pull some trick on Loras/Alber?

>>25624982
>House Hunter is ruled by Eon Hunter, commonly known as Old Lord Hunter. Their house is of little actual power but Old Lord Hunter has ruled for over forty years now and has earned a name for himself as one of the more personable lords in the Southern half of the Vale. A very pleasant fellow, with strong connections to Jon Arryn and even Robert Baratheon himself. As for the rest of the family, they're known for little other than their skill at hunting and archery.

Hmm.... so he has strong connections with our liege, and with the King himself?

Fuck, I'm now starting to think House Hunter might be a possibility, if we can manage to claim Egen's land as our own without marrying Brock to Lorenna.

Mark Hunter down as a possible, we'd want to meet them first.

>>Vardis, estranged brother of Loras and Captain of Jon Arryn's Guard.

Shit... is it just me, or has anyone else just thought that Ser Crowlys could be preparing for a coup... to put Vardis on the throne of Crown Crag over his lordly older brother? Crowlys strikes me as the type that would prefer a martial man as his liege, rather than a portly socialite.

>>25625044
Considering how Brock would be the father, we'd end up with strong children either way

>>25625066
>psychic
>Loves animals, has an affinity for one (horses)
>Told Brock about a vivid dream she had.
She's a warg. Or she's just autistic.

>>25624982
>>Also sending this letter to Lord Benedar Belmore: http://archive.foolz.us/tg/thread/24940637/#24947520

I remember writing that. I still love how much of a troll face I made while typing it.

>>25624982
We should send someone a letter to find that whore for our spymaster, not sure who

>>25625066
Greenseer

>>25624982
Request Lorenna to come visit.

Also, Lady Eyra...is that Waynwood?

>>25625171
Derp, sorry. House Hunter. Don't really know, ask Deyya

>>25625093
>>25625160
Either way, a big red flag to me. I mean, it's ok to marry her to Brock and everything, but I wouldn't try to fuck her family

>>25625160
>>25625093
>>25625066
Loras Egen simply considers her 'strange' and has frequently spoken of what a bizarre and troublesome child she is.
>>25625082
>>25625081
>>25625044
>Requesting a visit from Lady Eyra.

So, in total:
>Request a visit from Lorenna Egen.
>Request dowry increase for Lorenna Egen.
>Request a visit from Carolei Waynwood.
>Request a visit from Eyra Hunter.
>Request a visit from Robar Royce.
>Request a visit from Donnel Waynwood.
>Send measurements of Brock to Bronze Yohn.
>Send taunting letter to Lord Benedar Belmore.

Alright, so what if Egen's right hand man is raising an army. You don't need a fucking army to overthrow Egen. Egen is a fucking retard, and we're not exactly mr super awesome military powerhouse. He's getting an army because he's backed by Belmore to fuck us in the ass in a two pronged assault. We deal with this shit now, or we are in big fucking doodoo. We need Egen in place, to keep our border secure.

>>25625249
>Anything else?

>>25625249
Sounds good

>>25625082
I'm going to continue to argue my point.
>House Hunter has connections to our High Lord
Some of us are apprehensive about being so involved with Lord Yohn Royce. Lord Hunter is just as powerful and just as involved with High Lord Jon Arryn.
And Brock is a knight, or at least the heart of a knight. I think he'd like to have a wife who shares those interests.
And we get some cash.

>>25625249
Sounds good to me!

>>25625272
Which is why we're going to at least consider it further. We'd want to meet his prospective wife first.

>>25625272

>House Hunter is ruled by Eon Hunter, commonly known as Old Lord Hunter. Their house is of little actual power but Old Lord Hunter has ruled for over forty years now and has earned a name for himself as one of the more personable lords in the Southern half of the Vale. A very pleasant fellow, with strong connections to Jon Arryn and even Robert Baratheon himself. As for the rest of the family, they're known for little other than their skill at hunting and archery.
>Their house is of little actual power

Bronze Yohn has three vassal houses, is currently regent of the Vale and is just as close a friend to Jon Arryn to boot. He's even a common visitor to Robert's tournaments later in the canon.

Bronze Yohn is the most powerful man in the Vale at the moment.

>>25625310
Yeah, but he's not an idiot. He knows our house is in tatters and we have an abysmal reputation we're only just now starting to mend. If we're not careful, we'll end up as full blown bannermen to Runestone.

>>25625249
Sounds good.
Also warn wifey about all this shit

>>25625346
That's basically the worry, yes. I think we'd be able to keep up with Royce to prevent that, and we'd probably anger him if, after all this, we spurned his offer of alliance through marriage, but we do have to keep our options open, and Hunter isn't the worst idea ever.

>>25625363
This, definitely.

>>25625267
>>25625259
>>25625297
>>25625363
Warn Deyya? For once, Deyya is taking a great interest in the situation and is assisting you in the researching of houses and the writing of letters, scribbling away. In fact, she raises an interesting point.

"Three potential wives for Brock and two suitors for our Kat? I do hope that you're not planning on hosting them all at the same time, I'm sure there's enough days in the next month to keep them all apart from each other."

... She has a point actually. You have five guests in the next month to host and it might be a good idea to keep them separate from each other.

Month 3 has thirty days, numbered one to - well, thirty. When do you wish to host these guests around and how long for each one?

>>25625403
>Kill Deyya
>We marry some Royce cunt
>????
>Profit

>>25625486
What's Deyya's opinion on Lorrena, Alber, Eyra (currently the three main choices)?

>>25625486
I am not sure how far the lords and ladies will have to travel. The ones who have to travel farthest will obviously have to stay longer, if for no other reason than that they had to travel to our ass end of the vale.

The Waynwoods and Royces are among the most important families of the vale at the moment, I'd give them more time under our roof than the others.

>>25625486
Hm. How far away are each of them? When could we expect suitors to show up?

>>25625486
Split the month into five 6 day slots.

>1 - Carolei Waynwood
>2 - Robar Royce
>3 - Eyra Hunter
>4 - Donnel Waynwood
>5 - Lorenna Egen

We really have to invite Robar over first amongst suitors for Katrin, Royce will take it as an insult otherwise.

Also, inviting over 2 other potential brides for Brock before Lorenna Egen will perhaps get Loras to give us a dowry for her, as well as meaning we can keep hold of her if we need to (if the coup happens).

>>25625507
hey don't talk shit about our family

>>25625532
You mean Lorrena, Robar and Eyra, right? But yea, what is her view on all of them, really. She seems a pretty good judge of character.

>>25625611
This.

>>25625507
How about no? Deyya has yet to steer us wrong.

>>25625611
I second this motion. Make Egen squirm even more.

>>25625611
It's nice, but it's better to have the Waynwood to get there together and deal with them separately

>>25625611
>making Egen beg like a bitch for us to take Lorenna

Hell yes.

I agree with >>25625673 though, best to take the two Waynwoods at the same time.

Then we can invite Lorenna over for the 4th slot, and just keep hold of her if we need to.

So, instead, go with:

>1 - Robar Royce
>2 - Carolei and Donnel Waynwood
>3 - Eyra Hunter
>4-5 - Lorenna Egen

As you said, Royce really has to be the first suitor for Katrin to come, otherwise he might take insult.

>>25625532
>Lorenna
"She's a difficult one. I know how valuable this alliance with House Egen to you is and I know that Brock is enamoured with her to say the least but she hardly seems like a good wife. Perhaps after a few years I might be able to shape her into someone suitable for our son."
>Carolei
"Well, I've always had quite some respect for Anya. A shame I've never had the opportunity to meet her at all. If her niece has a similar reputation to her then I am sure she would make an excellent wife but whether Brock would like a woman more intelligent than him, I'm unsure."
>Eyra
"I've never heard much about this House Hunter or this daughter of Lord Eon. I thought he only had three sons? In any case, we have enough sworn swords to our house. We do not need another soldier, let alone one with breasts. Brock needs a wife, not a sister-in-arms."
>>25625551
>>25625547
House Egen is directly next door - you could send a letter now and Lorenna could arrive the next day.
House Hunter and House Royce are almost neighbours to one another and are both a day's travel from Gulltown, which allows four, five days by boat to Grimarbour - or if they wish for a longer route, twenty days around the Mountains of the Moon. You are unsure whether House Hunter is rich enough to afford an unnecessary boat.
Finally, House Waynwood is the further away. Twenty days around the Mountains of the Moon and five days from Gulltown.
>>25625737
>>25625673
Deyya seems to approve of that idea. What she doesn't seem to approve of is...
>>25625737
>>25625611
"Is it really so wise to host them so soon to one another? And for such a short period of time - what if they bring friends or family for a prolonged visit? Perhaps Bronze Yohn himself might consider a visit and accompany his son here - although I doubt it, not so soon after the tournament. My point is, asking for a single day and in such close proximity seems too hasty."

>>25625840
It wasn't suggested for single days, Plasma. >>25625611 said each slot/person would be given 6 days, which should be enough time, especially if we put a day or two between each slot.

>>25625887
Why not let them overlap? A flock of pretty girls might make it easier to sway Brock away from Lorenna, if necessary.

>>25625840
I agree with the wife on Eyra. Brock needs a proper lady to handle courtly matters once we're gone. We don't need two hamfisted rulers in the future.

On the other hand, I don't know if Brock will ever forgive us if we marry him off to someone other than Lorenna. He'd probably fuck her anyway. Good lad.

>>25625737
For Katrin, I'm still intested highly in pushing Saul. He's not the get rich quick choice but he is obviously a more useful person as he is an equal with us and has everything to gain from our rise in power. Also his land is more requires more hardy people so hopefully it should help Katrin grow up to be a stronger woman.

>>25625915
I'm sure having a greenseer loyal to our house would have its uses...

>>25625911
They aren't whores, they are lords' daughters.
It can only end badly.

>>25625915
>I agree with the wife on Eyra. Brock needs a proper lady to handle courtly matters once we're gone.
Who says she isn't a proper lady? Not all children are like Brock, sacrificing courtesy for strength. She could be like Lyanna Stark.

>>25625942
We don't know if she is one. House Egen is of Andal blood, just as every other lord of the Vale. Maybe she's just autismal as fuck.

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>>25625915
>On the other hand, I don't know if Brock will ever forgive us if we marry him off to someone other than Lorenna. He'd probably fuck her anyway. Good lad.

>>25625962
I don't think it really matters what blood they are, just it was the first men who knew how it works because they were taught by the Children of the Forest

At least the Waynwood pair could come at the same time, I reckon.

>>25625915
I sort of agree - having someone with similar tastes would probably make Brock and Eyra a good couple, but she wouldn't be a good lady, a socialite compared to him as warrior.

But yea, Brock is in love with Lorenna I think, and being able to use her to claim Egen's lands should there be a war for the title of Lord would be damn useful.

>>25625923
Saul might be a decent choice - yea, we should add him to the list of people to invite.

>>25625951
I agree, no overlapping, other than the two Waynwoods coming over at the same time.

What order should we host them, then? We don't want Lorenna to be first, it'd mean us sending her back prior to any coup happening, unless it happens in the next two weeks.

>>25625993
Yeah, we can line up the suitors on overlapping days as long as they're not suitors for the same person.

So Robar and Eyra hunter could visit us at the same time, or Lorenna and Robar or whatever. Carolei and Donnel are coming together as a pair though

>>25626023
>>25626023
No no, saul isn't what we want in our family. Besides isn't he gay?

>>25626038
Though the danger is that the suitors start fancying each other, but I'm fairly sure some clever planning of the dinner seats can help minimize their exposure to one another.

>>25626042
What's wrong with Saul, the only problem he has is that he's not rich. As an ally, he provides insight and intelligence and loyalty.

So can we do a time skip if? I think we've pretty well sorted it out.

>>25625962
House Royce traces its line back to the First Men - as does House Harrock and a few others, although your origins are vastly different. Your house was created by one of the barbarians of the mountains, who betrayed his neighbours to the invading lord, Artys Arryn. Not a piece of history you're particularly proud of.
>>25625887
Nonetheless, Deyya doesn't seem so happy about having them so close to each other; or all of them for quite so long.

"Perhaps three days, perhaps four for the ones that you truly approve of? The last thing you want to do is to insult them by revealing that they're part of a selection process. Not that they won't figure it out themselves but it's a part of lordly courtesy."
>>25626038
"I suppose that's always possible bu--"
>>25626066
"Ah, you read my mind. It's always a good idea to minimise the number of young bodies in proximity to one another. They tend to lose track of duty in favour of more, ah, carnal things."
>>25625993
"It makes perfect sense to invite them together, yes."
>>25626042
>>25626023
>>25625923
>Anyone else? What do you think about inviting Lord Alesandor Saul along?

>>25626023
I wouldn't be against adding Saul to the list again.

As an aside, could someone else try updating the archive on suptg? Just copy/paste the stuff from the main archive page here: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=House%20Harrock
Into the Request Interface form. It doesn't seem to be working for me.

>>25626136
Definitely saul

>>25626136
Saul sounds like a bro. If we're not marrying him to our daughter for whatever reason, there is no reason at all not to become allies.

We should call Brock in, and tell him this.
Just wave the fistful of letters we've received, "Congratulation's boy, you're very desirable! We'll be arranging visits so you can meet these ladies, so try to catch on on flowery words."

>>25626136
Nah, nix saul. We barely have enough time for the ones invited as is

>>25626136
>>Anyone else? What do you think about inviting Lord Alesandor Saul along?
Sure, I guess. But how old is he.
And if so, can we please skip? We're seriously beating around the bush right now.

>>25626175
We still need totalk to our Uncle.

>>25626173
Agreed, actually. It's going to be crowded as fucking fuck. And to be honest, he's not very high on the marriage candidate list, at all.

>>25626136
I say, then, that we just go with the order our dear wife suggests. She does seem to know best, after all.

And yes, let's invite Saul too, if only to bro it up.

>>25626219
Definitely this next, since Morys was meant to go talk to him by now.

>>25626219

This for sure. If he isn't receptive to speaking to us then suggest he goes with Ser Morys and help run those lands. It'll put distance between us and hopefully time and distance will heal some wounds.

>>25626175
Around twenty, twenty-two. Aside from the lack of a knighthood and martial prowess, he's easily as desirable as Robar Royce and a lord to boot. Of course, he also isn't the son of the most influential lord in the Vale.
>>25626175
>>25626173
>>25626166
>>25626162
>>25626230
>>25626234
>Inviting Lord Alesandor Saul.
>>25626170
Brock's busy outside with Youngest Royter, as is Banton with Mawn. It's a good idea not to disturb them more than you have to.

Together with Lady Deyya, you begin to write up a few invitations.
>Day 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 - Lorenna Egen
>Day 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 - Robar Royce
>Day 14, 15, 16, 17 - Donnel and Carolei Waynwood
>Day 20, 21, 22, 23 - Eyra Hunter
>Day 26, 27, 28, 29 - Alesandor Saul

>Is this planner agreed?

>>25626305
Sounds good to me, but we have to be poised to snatch Lorenna Egen back, if it turns out a coup does take place.

>>25626305

Agreed on my part. However this is going to get expensive isn't it?

>>25626305
sounds good

>>25626305
I agree

>>25626305
Sounds good to me.

>>25626354
Man I am really not looking forward to the next month. Feel like it'll drag harder than the tourney, and be less interesting to boot.

>>25626305

We should get some impressions from them after speaking to our Uncle.

This is an interesting set up for Brock who is likely to have many more squires in his career. Perhaps this young lad will become one of his life long sworn swords, even though he was low born.

Also we really need to get a kennel built, something proper and expansive so we can really work on get this hounds trained.

>>25626305
I concur ..... concurrently

>>25626379
It all depends on your definition of interesting. I like character interactions

>>25626337
This.

>>25626372
>>25626354
>>25626353
>>25626350
>>25626337
You do get the feeling your coffers are going to ache by the end of it all. Still, you send out the letters after writing each other them as eloquently and elegantly as possible. Your Maester is going to have to say farewell to many of his ravens for quite some time.

>Roll 4d6. I'll accept the second, third and fourth rolls.

>>25626402
Me too, but I feel like the characters that are marriage prospects are less interesting than those at the tourney.

Rolled 6, 5, 1, 1 = 13

>>25626458

Rolled 4, 4, 3, 3 = 14

>>25626458

Rolled 4, 2, 2, 6 = 14

>>25626458

Rolled 4, 5, 5, 3 = 17

>>25626458

Rolled 1, 6, 1, 5 = 13

>>25626458

Rolled 2, 6, 5, 5 = 18

>>25626458
One more time!

>>25626479
>>25626471
>>25626469

You know, thats probably the best rolls we've gotten

>>25626471
>>25626479
>>25626494
Holy shit, we actually did alright!

That's our good dice rolls for the year gone now.

Just pointing out that we've completely forgotten about the mercenaries.
1) Have our men question them a little more severely, we need to know why they were kidnapping our subjects. Any hideouts, staches, campsites. They will probably be all abandoned by now but it's a start.

2) Put Ser Tenry back in charge of the Rangers, he's not a footman and the discipline of the Infantry has suffered as a result.

3) The mercenaries, whatever else the case may be, are very good shots. In return for their lives (the Nights Watch needs men as always), they can train our rangers and archers a little bit.

While we're waiting for this coup (if indeed this is going to happen, it could be a legitimate outside threat) we need to have Ser Tenry scouring the land with his rangers and have our other knights drilling with our infantry and archers.

>>25626479
Could be worse

>>25626469
>>25626471
>>25626479
>>25626494
Very nice.

>>25626471
>>25626479
>>25626494

Watch this time we needed low rolls.

>>25626471
>>25626479
>>25626494
Best rolls we've ever fucking gotten.

>>25626505
We've not, we interrogated them ourselves, and our uncle did so too.

But yea, otherwise this sounds good.

>>25626379
I wouldn't mind if Plasma just gives us summaries on the suitors and how they get along with our children.

Apart from Saul and Lady Wwaynwood, we definitely need to interact with them.

>>25626505

Seconding most of this. We need to get the Woodsmen back in proper form and get Tenry back to his proper job, now with hounds.

The mercs are something we'll all need to discuss though.

>>25626157
Anyone else tried this? It seems to be down, I just tried it with another thread too.

>>25626494
>>25626479
>>25626471
The letters are sent off. You have a good feeling.

Do you wish to speak with your uncle? Choose that or one other activity, that won't take more than half an hour. Your lordly duties definitely restrict you from doing much with your time, now that he is no longer lifting half the burden from your shoulders.

>>25626536
I'd go with this. Means it won't drag on for too long.

>>25626577
We need to go talk to our uncle, now that Morys has spoken to him too.

>>25626577

Probably Uncle then. Send for him, send his escort away and just the two of us speak. Like the family we should be.

>>25626577
lets charmt he pants off our uncle

>>25626577
Talk to our uncle, concede he was probably right about our overreliance on Royce. We're planning marriages to strengthen the house, we need his input as he obviously knows what's what.

>>25626577
Yeah. I submitted a potential conversation in the last thread, anyone want me to repost?

Why is everyone so sure on this being a coup?

Aside from mass conscription and Egen's lack of military awareness there isn't much to indicate that a coup is imminent. Especially since you'd only need a handful of trusted guards to overthrow the Lord in his own castle, not a horde of smallfolk of questionable loyalty.

Furthermore, how is Ser Crowlys planning to get away with it? It's unlikely that he'll kill the Egens off, house arrest would allow him to put forward a facade of control.

>>25626611

Well those mercenaries hired by Belmore did escape into Egens lands

>>25626577
I honestly don't give two shits about our traitorous uncle. He's the one who egged Ulrif on and then betrayed him in favour of us.

The blame for the ruin of Harrock's military lies mostly with him then, not our estranged half-brother.

>>25626611
This is true. What if Egen is really some kind of political mastermind, working with Belmore to kick our asses collectively? Full paranoid mode is go.

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>>25626577
Thanks for reminding me I have yet to post this.

>>25626601
Sounds good.

>>25626609
If you could, yea.

>>25626611
As I previously suggested, he might be trying to make Loras' brother Lord of Crown Crag - he's Captain of the Guards at the Eryie, and more of a military man than his older brother is.

>>25626577

Call him over to the window with us after his escort is gone and have him look at the yard where Brock is training, "I will never tell you he is the perfect heir Uncle, nor was I, but he is my son, your nephew. He is trying his damnedest, and I am giving him every opportunity to succeed from teaching him myself to even placing faith in him teaching a young lad, lowborn as he is. Regardless of what happens he knows now he can come to me and ask for advice for help and improve himself. Just as I once did with you Uncle. We are family. I need you more then the Night's Watch does, despite everything said and done it is in the past and we must continue forward."

Also suggest if he doesn't like the idea of staying here with you the option to help Ser Morys as his castellean in Bleakfaith as the old knight knows little of numbers and smallfolk. Alternatively if he is truly set on leaving you will not stop him from going to the Night Watch.

>>25626648
"I..want to apologize...for striking you. It was not the...right thing. Even if you were insulting my family."

"Uncle, I've been thinking about what you said. About my brother and me and the future of our house. I've always respected your opinion... it was more dear to me then my father. You practically raised me, you know? Ulfric was always the favorite- star of my fathers eye. I realized the truth later, but I knew it in my gut the time I was twelve. When he went out on the hunt, Ulfric was the one he wanted by his side, not me. And when his horse threw a shoe and he broke his neck, it was Ulfric who was at his side, holding him in his last moments, not me. I was with you, learning the names of all the houses. I always knew that would be my place- with you, counting coin and writing missives in the keep. I never wanted to be the Lord of house harrock, that was Ulfrics future not mine. But the seven had different plans...
I understand that you don't think much of me. I didn't think much of me either until now. Until I had to become the hangman, that grim cliche, and stepped up into the role as the master of this land, I never lived.
I am not Ulfric...I will never be Ulfric. But I am House Harrock, and my son, however little you think of him, is its future. I love you, and if you truly think your place is on the wall, then I won't stop you from taking the black. But if you were speaking the truth when you said you wanted the best for our house, then you'd know that really means that you want what's best for my family. I will do whatever it takes to protect them- if that means I must torture, or grovel, or become someone else entirely, I will do that and I will never stop until the day I die."
"Your food is getting cold...wanted to bring you your favorite, but I didn't know what that was. I guess we both knew less about each other then we thought."

>>25626611
>>25626648
or he's a planning on having Loras killed and becoming regent for Loras' son.

>>25626685
I approve. Let's go with this.

>>25626685
This is far too apologetic and weak. I appreciate the effort anon went through, but we should be giving simple ultimatums not crying about how Ulfric was the favourite.

>>25626678
This is more like it.


Though I still say our uncle is lucky that we aren't stringing him up as a peace offering to Ulfric. This new perspective on the events has actually made me consider we should get into contact with him. It wasn't even our half-brothers idea.

>>25626732
Brother's chambers?

Husband's room?

Wha?

>>25626754
Plasma is going full potato.

>>25626754

This.

Should we assume 'Uncle', Plasma?

>>25626647
Sweeeet, that's amazing.

>>25626762
>>25626754
Ooor maybe he's in Ulfrics chamber?

>>25626678
Seconded.

>>25626754
>>25626761
>>25626762
>>25626778
>The fullest potato.
You're a saint.
>>25626609
>>25626601
>>25626595
>>25626589
>>25626588
You visit your castellan's chambers, now guarded by a pair of the Woodsmen. They both throw up a quick salute and stand to the side, stepping away to allow you a moment alone with your uncle. At least they've got that small amount of discipline left in them.

You step into your uncle's room, as sparsely furnished as your own office, perhaps more so. He has not taken advantage of the new wealth House Harrock has come across, instead preferring to live a life of honourable poverty. He's a shrewd fellow, never spending a penny unless it's necessary and always judging those who do. One of his many flaws, you now realise. The elderly fellow is hunched over his desk, scrawling accounts in a leather-bound book and glancing over towards you with a sour expression. His bruised face is recovering, however slow it is taking for his aged flesh to heal.

"Come in. What do you want now, Artys?"

>>25626749
I agree, go with >>25626678 - and I also agree, with this new revelation, I think we should try to get in touch with our bastard brother. He was led astray by our uncle, and so the fault cannot be fully put on him. Our uncle even cast him aside to join us afterwards.

We should try to mend the bond between us, and make House Harrock whole again.

>>25626785
I think we should go with:
>>25626749
>>25626784
>>25626792

>>25626785

>At least they've got that small amount of discipline left in them.

God damn it. We really need to make that our next step of business. Call in the Captain of the company and Ser Banton, who we did bring in for his skill with the spear and infantry like stuff. And get that shit together. Cannot let that happen.

>>25626792
Or at the very least stop him from leading a coup

>>25626813
seconding this

>>25626828
Same thing, really.

>>25626813
This. We're turning them into fucking unsullied. We paid top dollar for their arms, we're not squandering it.

>>25626805
Can we use elements of both? He is the closest thing we have to a dad

pls no friendship with our brother, he's still a faggot

>>25626813
I agree entirely with this. We need our Infantry in optimum shape with the potential conflict in Egen's land looming.

And, if we have not done so already, we should put Ser Banton in charge of the infantry. I only worry that he's simply not confident enough. If that's the case then Ser Brock or Ser Boros might have to rise to the occasion, in spite of their new duties with the squires.

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>>25626761
>>25626785
>pic related

Otherwise, I agree with
>>25626805 and >>25626685 - a mix of both apologetic for how we acted, but not for trying to do what is best for House Harrock, and that we want him to work with us. We should also accept that, yes, we were perhaps getting too close to Royce, and we need to show we can be strong alone, or with allies our own size, and not need to rely on the Castellan of the Eyrie.

>>25626865
Seconded, after we've spoken to our uncle.

>>25626854
Really our uncle is the root cause of the faggotry/treason in our own household. While it's still not a good idea, I'm more open to it than I was before.

Perhaps he could come back to the House under an alias. That or we do a major favour for Royce/Arryn enough to earn a pardon on his behalf.

>>25626896

I think if nothing else we should send our new Braavo after rumours and soft spoken word regarding him.

>>25626792
>>25626805
>>25626749
>>25626784
"It doesn't matter what his title is or how he was born, it's quality that matters and he will make a poor lord. Even if you're right and Brock is finally learning discipline, he'll never be a soldier. Just a follower and a pleaser. That's what I thought you were. Not caring about anything but the desires of your superiors. I never saw an ounce of ambition in you, I never saw you once think about furthering the house, only about obeying me and obeying your father. After he died from his injuries fighting off the Mad King's loyalists in the Vale, I thought of you and your brother. He was always had a stronger arm and a strong will. I almost want to say a stronger mind but maybe I'm wrong about that. I just wanted the good of our house. All I ever wanted was for the good of our house. And when arrows rained on our walls and I called for your aid, you did nothing. You sat in Grimarbour and enjoyed the hospitality of our enemy and played your little game of lords and ladies. Your house needed you, Artys. We needed you here. No man of Harrock can rule alone; especially not me."

His voice is cracking and breaking slightly at the end.

>>25626924
Depending on how well our spymaster does with the coup situation, we should probably follow up on our promise to help him win the aging courtesan lady.

>Cue high-seas swashbuckling adventure
>Drown in armour within ten minutes

>>25626896
even if it wasn't his idea he still went along with it and fucked our house over.
I could suggest we go for a drive when you are smashed off your face and it's a dick suggestion, but you are still a faggot if you go ahead and do it

The last thing we need is an ambitious brother with a claim to our title who feels we wronged him hanging around

>>25626949
He doesn't actually have a claim though. Bastards have less claim to title than even the most distant cousin.

House Manderly could make a claim to High Harrock before he could.

>>25626938

"Then come back to my side Uncle. I need you, the House needs you, what is done is done. And if it so pleases you can even teach Brock to your standard and perhaps one day I will have another son to help Brock rule. Like we can. Right now. I shalln't leave my House high and dry again Uncle, we will do this together."

And a hug of understanding and apologizing for good measure.

>>25626938
So he doesn't understand the basic idea of forming alliances with other Lords?

The archers were no mountain men, and a threat such as Belmore cannot be handled with allies.

>>25626994
>a hug

1) No.

2) We need to be harsher, he doesn't respect this soppy shit.

>>25626924
Good idea, our spy guy would probably know where to go in order to find our brother, if only to talk to him.

>>25626938
"Wars aren't won at the end of a sword. I thought you knew this. Without allies our family will whither and die that much faster."

>>25626938
Apply
>>25626685
as appropriate

>>25627060
This. Simple and unapologetic.

>>25626994
No to the hug, but yes, call for his aid now, that we can rule Harrock side by side, as we have always done, and that we shall never abandon our House in times of strife again.

We will bring retribution down upon House Belmore, and we want our uncle at our side as we send Lord Belmore, screaming and crying to the Seven, into oblivion.

>>25627015

His voice was cracking at the end, either he is upset about this schism in our house as we are or he's really pissed.

He's had a moment to collect his thoughts and we can forgive, harshness shall be reserved for our enemies of which our Uncle will help us slaughter.

I don't care though, if a lot of people are against it whatever.

>>25627071
No.

>>25627015
he's obviously in pain. Positive reinforcement

>>25626938
>>25626938
>>25626938
You talk of lack of ambition, uncle, but who was it that backed me when I chose the right side, the side of our liege lord?

I am no lord for courts and tourneys. I have no idea what I'm doing to this house. I was never trained or groomed for this. I was trained to count coins with you. Yes, I should have been here with you, uncle, defending our castle, but I wasn't. I wasn't, and I'm sorry, uncle. Our house cannot be kept alive just by me. I apologize for hitting you. I was wrong in not coming to the aid of our keep. There are many things I've come to regret over these last few months, I'm only half a lord still, and you know it, but at least I'm trying. I will not turn my back on this house or give up because of setbacks or poor choices. This land is in our blood, uncle. Remember that.

And eat your damn meals.

>>25626994
Seconded, but without the hug - just extend our hand to him for him to take.

>>25627099
Add some of this too.

>>25627116
And a bit of this, though only the second bit, don't rub him making the wrong decision in his face. He made a choice, just as we would. If he wants to make amends for it, he can do it here with us.

This thread has reminded me that I need to play the GoT Crusader Kings 2 mod, and that I need to use the Ruler Editor to make Lord Harrock, so I can see if I can make him successful.

>>25627116
We weren't in the wrong about not coming to their aid in the attack though. He has to be made to see that the well-being of House Harrock is dependant on alliances with other houses, especially with our lack of military might.

>>25626938

"Y'know, you're right. You have taught me that just as I try and curry favour with the other lords, they can quite easily use me, and I thank you for that lesson. However Uncle, I am doing everything in my power to ensure we have the resources to move on grimarbour. If you choose to ignore what I'm trying to do for whatever reason, then suggest alternatives. I cannot abide a presence who complains and undermines my authority but cannot determine a different course of action.

The future of this house will be decided in the coming months. Brock and Katrin are each hosting a number of suitors, and many of them seem worthy. Help me get this house back to where we need to be, Uncle.

>>25627184

I did. Give me a few and I'll post my guide to make Harrock

>>25627145
>>25627209
This.

Also cool, I'd like a guide to how to make him as close to the character as possible.

>>25627101
>>25627099
>>25627093
>>25627060
>>25627053
>>25627015
>>25627001
>>25627116
>>25627145
"I understand how allies are necessary but High Harrock needs men of our family here to rule it. Two of them, together. Father and sun, brother and brother, uncle and nephew. It doesn't fucking matter! I can't be left here like that. The one time I had my chance, the one time I was given my chance to shine without your damn father basking in the praise that I deserved, I almost ruined everything for us. I can't be left alone here, not again. I don't want to repeat my mistakes. I don't want to cripple our house a second time, you hear me? Don't leave me like that again. I wasn't meant to rule, I was never meant to rule. You cannot leave me here, not like that again unless you want this castle to be a fucking ruin when you return!"

With his hands forming white-knuckled fists, the castellan of High Harrock slumps into his seat, his breath shallow and his temper high, wallowing in a cocktail of guilt and sorrow.

"You're the right lord of this place. You deserved it from the beginning and I never did. Yet here I am, always biting at the bit for my opportunity, for my chance no matter who the rightful ruler is. I want someone to look back at me and say that I was the one who brought our house to glory. I don't want to die known to the world as a childless steward of no note... Yet I almost ruined everything, again.

"Don't leave me here alone, Artys. Not ever again."

>>25627260
oh wow...that explains a lot.

We really should hug him

>>25627184
Do it!

I hate our uncle, but we need him for the time being. He is weak-willed and weak-minded despite his exterior. The nuances of lordliness completely escape him; he believes we are safe in this little harrow, but we are friends only to ravens and goats.

He wishes to assail the land in conquest, a fool's game. He has traitor's blood.

>>25627260
"I promise Uncle, that we shall always stand against adversity side-by-side, and together, as Lord and Castellan, we shall return House Harrock to the position of power and glory we have long deserved."

Then extend our hand to him, or offer him a hug, whichever is appropriate.

>>25627286
I agree - it was more about him than us, really.

>>25627260

"Then I shalln't Uncle. What is done is done. Let us do this, together."

Offer him our hand to pull him up and we can get on with this mess behind us and rule as we should. We need our Uncle so we can focus on our family, the suitors, and getting the god damn Woodsmen back in shape.

>>25627313
>>25627316
Seconded.

>>25627316
>>25627313
We cannot promise him to never leave the castle, we can't.

His daddy issues can't get in the way of our diplomacy. Our house will not, I repeat, will not rise to greatness without help.

>>25627286
He basically just threatened to ruin our House if we ever leave again. Which we will inevitably have to.

I don' think he can be trusted. Ask him about Ulfric.

>>25627260
Raise out our hand to our uncle.

"Get up, Alric. There's work to be done. Together. These two copper counters have a score to settle with house Belmore."

>>25627343
This.

He's playing us.

>>25627341

Of course not but he is broken from what has happened and the schism it has wrought. We will need to build him back up, and hell having Brock being tutored by him a bit may help.

>>25627341
Aye.

We can manage without our uncle. But House Harrock will wither if we become an isolated shut-in that never leaves our lands.

>>25627343
He's an old man that nearly destroyed our house. He's insecure and lonely and depressed as fuck. He's not going to destroy fucking anything. We'll just drag him along if we have to go out on official business.

>>25627343
We could kill him.
Or we could skip. I'd like to skip.

>>25627313
>>25627316
>>25627351
Fuck yes, go with these.

Would it be worthwhile to have our Uncle marry? Maybe it would help the clear depression and lack of a sense of self worth.

>>25627364
Woah, woah, woah. FUCK having him teach Brock anything beyond stewardship.

He's our son and he'll learn more under us, and love us for it, then he will under the the uncle who thinks he's an unworthy pig. Our uncle doesn't even believe there is potential for him to be a good ruler there.

>>25627376
Seconded, but I agree with the others in that sometime we will fucking have to leave the castle because that's what lords do. he can come with, if he wants, but we can't stay indoors all day. We have lands to conquer.

>>25626785
Shit! Another thing we havent done yet!
Gather up and judge the Hedge Knights that we recruited for the Woodsman!

>>25627399

And until we took our interest in him Brock thought we hated him and thought of him as useless pig.

Time changes opinion and they may butt heads at first like we did but they are family, it could legitimately help build a stronger bond and change their opinions on one another.

>>25627399
This. having our uncle back means we get more leisure time, which means we can train brock more. Besides, you're forgetting we're a god tier administrator ourselves.

>>25627368
>>25627368
>He's an old man
>That nearly destroyed our house

Yeah, why are we overlooking this? And what the hell makes you think he won't do something like that again? He just said so himself.

>>25627374
He wants the Night's Watch, let him.

>>25627401
This, with added >>25627376

>>25627238
>>25627209
>>25627184


Crusader Kings 2: AGOT Artys Harrock Guide:

I alway start in Crown Crag since there's no High Harrock

Eyes: 4/13
Nose: 13/13
Mouth: 11/13
Chin: 4/13
Neck: 4/4
Cheeks: 8/10
Ears: Doesn't matter
Eye Colour: 4/7

Hairstyle: 5/14
Hair Colour: 7/7
Beard: 9/9

Clothes: 3/18
Headgear: 11/15
Age: middleaged
Background: 20/21 (The Hangman)

Part 2 in a few!

Look guys, he's making an emotional appeal here immediately after saying he'll ruin our house if we so much as step foot outside the castle.

This doesn't feel right.

>>25627441
Yes, I'm starting to see this too. He's unstable as fuck. We need to reason with him. He needs to fucking understand we can't babysit him or the castle 24/7.

>>25627316
>>25627313
>>25627351
With surprising strength, he slaps your offered hand to the side and spends a moment in seething silence, his body quivering in a combination of barely contained anger and bitterness before he thrusts himself to his feet. Grabbing the book, the elderly man moves to storm out past you.
>>25627368
>>25627366
>>25627364
>>25627359
>>25627343
>>25627341
"Fine. Call me whatever you will and think whatever you will of me. I'll do what I can for our house but remember what I said. I won't rule this place, not alone, not again. I've got work to do and so do you; but we'll speak of this another day, when you next think it's wise to leave High Harrock at another lord's whim."

With that, he moves to leave. Are there any last words that you wish to offer the depressed old miser?

>Also, what do you wish to do before the end of the third month?

>>25627441

You're reading it the wrong way. He fears ruining us, like he almost did when he backed Ulfric. And then when we left something bad happened and he had a panic attack thinking he wouldn't be able to handle it, our lack of presence made it worse.

He isn't going to ever purposefully ruin our House. He just fears that he is the reason it would happen if left alone again. The most recent incident did not help.

>>25627441
What? He's not threatening to ruin the house he's basically saying he can't trust himself to do anything

>>25627470
"....You did one thing right by yourself. You raised me."

>>25627470
We're playing Artys' social retardation to a tee. I love it.

>>25627470
I second >>25627504 with the force of a thousand suns.

>>25627520
Aye, but I wish people would think before posting - that's the sort of shit that got us into this trouble to begin with.

>>25627470

So... He's right back to normal? Grand, no stronger relationship built and now he thinks we assume he's a broken old man. At least he is on our side again.

Also. Mother fucking Woodsmen time. Call their Captain and Ser Banton. We need to get some shit together.

Crusader Kings 2: AGOT Artys Harrock Guide:

Part 2: Harrock Coat of Arms

Party Per Cross (Four Slots)

Slot 1: 1/74
Slot 2: 1/74
Slot 3: 17/74
Slot 4: 1774

Blue background with the peak in the middle being white

Emblems

Slot 1: 3/24
Slot 3: 8/24
Slot 4: 8/24

>>25627552
>>25627429
How do you handle his traits?

>>25627504
Seconded.

>>25627470
Organise our sworn swords and our forces - Ser Banton would work well with the infantry, I think, and Tenry and Boros go with the guerillas.

We need to train up Brock a bit before letting him command. If we do give him command, giving him the archers will probably be best - it'll teach him to lead, and not to just charge in with his mace.

>>25627470
Woodsmen as per
>>25627542
>>25626505
>>25626543

Ser Tenry should be back with the Rangers.

>>25627541

Agreed. People assumed he purposefully meant to ruin us when in reality he just fears the possibility with his background. We needed to build a stronger relationship with him at this present moment and help build his confidence. We sort of failed at.

I remember Plasma saying the other characters had flaws that we would figure out. I'm pretty sure our Uncle just revealed his to us.

>>25627542
This, as well as >>25627504

>>25627470
God dammit, uncle.

He's going to the Wall, not even joking.

>>25627580
We don't know if Banton is any more suited to command than Brock. If he has experience (which is unlikely) then he is more suitable, but if not I say Brock be given command of the infantry and Banton gets the archers.

>>25627580

>Brock commanding the archers

I fucking love it. That will teach him a really valuable lesson in patience, especially because he'll be playing with people's lives.

>>25627584
I don't really care why he threatened to undo all the work we've so far accomplished. I really, really don't.

Build your relationship with him at your own peril, he feels guilty and he's going to do something about it, you mark my words.

>>25627594
Best place for him in my opinion. We can't trust him, and we certainly can't dedicate all of our time to making him feel better if it means ignoring our other Lordly and fatherly duties. I give a lot more of a damn about Katrin than I do our uncle.

We gave him his chance.

>>25627470

Oh another quick thing. Building some damn Kennels. Our hounds need a proper home, not the stables of the inn.

>>25627504
Thirding.

>>25627607
It wasn't a threat you dense son of House Clegane

>>25627605
That's why I thought of it - it'll teach him that patience, strategy, and supporting your fellow soldiers are all just as important, if not more, than individual ability or glory seeking.

>>25627572

Like this:

Crusader Kings 2: AGOT Artys Harrock Guide:

Part 3: Traits

Artys
Harrock
Married: Yes
Culture: Valeman
Religion: Faith of the Seven
Sons: 1
Daughters: 1

Career: Competent Steward

Traits:

Diligent
Knight
Valyrian Steel Blade
Ambitious
Authoritative
Family Person
Ruthless
Ugly

>>25627639
I wouldn't have thought Artys was ugly, to be honest. Is that just to get the right number of points?

>>25627607

I literally see no threat there, please do elaborate. I see an old man who spilled himself to us and for once told us his fears. His voice cracking, slumping back in guilt and sorrow, all of that emotion out burst unknown to our Uncle.

>>25627660
Exactly, and some tards couldn't understand that, and undermined our otherwise good choice of words.

>>25627655

Pretty much. You can also try Weak.

>>25627684
Weak probably fits better, given our Endurance (or is it Athletics) flaw.

>>25627542
And, its a good time to ask the anointed knights amongst the woodsmen to step forward.

>>25627679
Sure, the tards are the ones not too keen on forgiving our traitorous uncle who has already led our house to ruin once.

>>25627660
It's a threat, and you're a fool if you can't see that. We can't ever trust him alone in High Harrock again.

>>25627660
>>25627679
You can be honest and unstable, guys. I really don't see why that's hard to understand.

He feels guilty. Yes he bared his soul, but none of you are looking any any of the beans he spilled. He is titanically afraid of the House failing and he will do anything in his power to prevent it, up to and including fucking high treason.

>>25627722

Then elaborate oh master of reading between the lines.

>>25627726
This.

He's not loyal to us, he's loyal to his own warped version of what's 'Good for the House', which could mean anything that will get him some recognition.

>>25627748
No, he's not. He is saying he can't trust himself to make ANY decision by himself, because the last time that happened Ulfric ended up branded an outlaw.

>>25627735
There is no reading between the lines. He's outright said that if we ever leave Harrock lands again he'll pull some shit. You can't argue that he didn't mean that.

>>25627705

It puts us a little too low - 21

>>25627726

And if the mad king had won, what we did would have been High Treason. It goes both ways. The fact it failed and he lived through it has only added to his guilt.

>>25627768
You are deluded if you think our Uncle is loyal to us, or god forbid our son. He outright said he did what he did because he wanted recognition for his work.

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>>25627770
Oh for the love of gaben, that is the opposite of what he said

>>25627778
Exactly - it was actually us that committed High Treason by siding with Robert, so yea, he was technically in the right for getting Ulfir to stand with the Mad King.

>>25627778
Strictly speaking a bannerman generally owes more loyalty to immediate Lord than his liege. It's what's at the heart of the troubles in Westeros, and why the sides in the civil war were so geographically alligned. (Dorne/Crownlands on one side, Vale/North/Stormlands on the other)

>>25627796
>>25627778
In the end he is untrustworthy and unstable. I would feel comfortable with him having any power whatsoever. Wall or strip him of everything in my opinion.

>>25627770
>"...I don't want to repeat my mistakes. I don't want to cripple our house a second time, you hear me? Don't leave me like that again. I wasn't meant to rule, I was never meant to rule. You cannot leave me here, not like that again unless you want this castle to be a fucking ruin when you return!"

He outright admits to his faults and fears of ruining the house, he believes in our old ways of ruling side by side and no one can fault him for that, he is an old man set in his ways. Him saying that if we leave him again and do not return to help as we did essentially breaks down to him fearing that if left alone again he could be the reason that the house falls to ruin. Not that he will do it to spite us or take revenge.

I really don't see where you are getting that he means to ruin us on purpose.

>>25627580
Seconding.

>>25627778
By the same logic we would no longer view Ulfric as a threat. Which would be stupid

>>25627809
I honestly don't think you've been reading anything than beyond what you want to see.

We can't trust him.

>>25627856
wouldn't*

>>25627856
We are not sending him to the Wall, we need him here.

Furthermore, we command the loyalty of both our sworn-swords and the military, he can hardly do anything against us. And if we are to leave and go somewhere else, we bring him with us, simple.

>>25627857
>"You're the right lord of this place. You deserved it from the beginning and I never did. Yet here I am, always biting at the bit for my opportunity, for my chance no matter who the rightful ruler is. I want someone to look back at me and say that I was the one who brought our house to glory. I don't want to die known to the world as a childless steward of no note...

I can pick and choose quotes as well.

Are you honestly saying we can trust him? That every time we leave our lands with him in charge, we can rest easy?

>>25627928
>bring him with us

That will only enrage him further. He has no patience for the games we play with lords even at a distance. If he's with us it will only sabotage our efforts.

>>25627933
I think our words struck a cord. Hopefully it was a good one.

Shy/Stubborn/Patient would work, cheers Plasma (you need to put your trip back on, btw).

Brock might not like it, but Morys and us will help him understand it, and it will make him a better knight for it.

I also think, for those who can prove they are knighted, we could perhaps use them more as proper sworn swords, rather than as just another infantryman.

>>25627990
He just doesn't want to be left alone in charge, if he comes with us and we leave someone else behind he'd be fine

>>25627504
He almost stumbles upon hearing those words, but doesn't look back. He simply dusts himself off and resumes his stride out.
>>25627629
>Heh.
>>25627684
>>25627639
>>25627655
>What about shy, stubborn or patient? Shy is certainly applicable, stubborn and patient vary depending on the opinion of Anonymous.
>>25627638
>>25627623
>>25627616
>>25627605
>>25627602
>>25627582
>>25627580
Over the next few days, you set about changing your military.
Ser Tenry is given authority of his mountain rangers again, an event that is celebrated by them with much drinking on a single night off of their duty, which passes with little event. It empties their purses and fills that of the tavern, which just fine with you. More silver for the coffers.
Ser Banton is given authority over the Woodsmen, a position he is unfamiliar with. He reveals his past as a simple pikeman in service of House Westerling, knighted for his ability as a combatant during the minor rebellions of the Mad King's era. He has little experience with actual leadership but he knows formations and he's certainly willing to give it a try.
Meanwhile, Ser Brock gets put in charge of the archers, something he is certainly unhappy with. He didn't ask for or even expect being put in charge of the Woodsmen but the marksmen? In his eyes, that's the worst possible choice and one that'll make him sulk for a few days. That lad will come to understand it though, hopefully. Ser Morys swears to try and assist him.
You uncover several hedge knights who joined the Woodsmen during their creation, although you're certainly quite a few of them are lying and were never anointed, let alone genuinely knighted. Four of them are Valemen of various origins with two of them being Riverlanders and one of them a Westerman, all of various backgrounds. Only one of them has the horse and the plate to prove it, currently stored within your stables and your armoury respectively.
>And more in an additional post.

>>25627933

>What about shy, stubborn or patient? Shy is certainly applicable, stubborn and patient vary depending on the opinion of Anonymous.

All three put him at 40. Which is good enough for me

Final Traits:

Diligent
Ambitious
Knight
Family Person
Valyrian Sword
Ruthless
Honest
Shy
Patient
Stubborn

>>25627976


We can take his advice under consideration as we always have-remember that we often chose differently than what he advised-but every extra voice helps, even if we just get inspiration from his suggestions.

And we are damn well never leaving him in charge again, he will remain castellan while Brock, Deyya, or Morys runs the place.

>>25628020
You're deluding yourself. We're not crippling our efforts at diplomacy with other Lords by bringing him along.

Our wife is good at this sort of thing. She's an asset, which is why we bring her along. Our uncle is not.

>>25628053
Then we need to leave Brock or someone else behind so that he doesn't flip out

I'm figuring at this point we just try to build our relationship with our Uncle as best as we can. Despite the conflicting opinions and when the time comes for something to happen like us leaving we figure out the best course of action. Which may include leaving Brock with him, or having him come with us, or if he's feeling up to it have him stay alone.

We made the decision to keep him, now we have to make something of it. No use arguing if he's disloyal or not at this point. We built Brock up to be a knight when there was conflicting opinions on his use as our heir. We can do the same with our Uncle.

>>25628043
I like it!

>>25628015 in relation to >>25628042

>>25628015
>Thank you.
>>25628043
>Weak also works but perhaps that might make him too young.
>>25628042
You also begin the construction of the kennels outside the walls. Combined with the ever-expanding and recently constructed tavern and the crude structures erected by new settlers that have recently arrived, you're beginning to form the makings of a little hamlet outside.

>Anything else before the end of the month?

>>25628042
If Ser Banton is truly inexperienced in the position I'd say Brock makes the better choice. Ser Banton won't be unduly disgruntled with the archers.

Either way, have them train together. It's important that the infantry screen the archers.

>>25628100


Well there is still the foreign Captain who trained them, he can help coordinate with Banton.

>>25628094
Any word from our spymaster? Need tofigure out how to get his whore

>>25628094

>kennels

Fucking christ thank you.

I can't think of anything else. Unless someone else wants to check in on Brock and Banton with their new squires I'd be good with time jumping to the end of the month.

>>25628071
Why are you so keen on letting him cripple us?

Better to have him on his way to the Night's Watch, where there is absolutely no potential for him to cause trouble.

>>25628094

A small hamlet huh?

Can we use our Woodsmen to post a rotating guard? Give them something else to do other then train and keep them from getting unruly, hopefully.

>>25628042
Offer the hedgeknights the chance to, ah, reaffirm their vows and supply them with some decent armor and arms at price