>>25437864
Sorry for not being here the last few days, life kind of hit hard for a bit there.

All is well however, and I am ready to play.

>>25437878
Great. Ultrasmurfs. Though I suppose they're the lesser of some evils.

Lets first wipe out the Orks sieging this citadel. Also vox Cypress, Jager, and Vael, tell them of the Ultramarines' arrival and to have our more questionable personnel make themselves scarce. Also vox O'Neill to do the same for the Aprior Guard units when possible.

>>25437984

You turn away from Captain Adonis and activate your helmet vox.

"Smith to all units, be advised that a detachment of Ultramarines have arrived on Volkgarod, under no circumstances are they to discover our relationship with xenos in the Aprior sector, so exercise the utmost digression in dealing with them."

You deactivate your vox and turn back to Adonis.

"My people have been informed as to your presence, now I believe it high time we rid this city of these greenskins."

"I concur." Says the Ultramarine Captain.

State plan of action and roll as needed.

Politely ask him to station anyone with the old mark 40 plasma guns away from our men. We've heard those things have a nasty tendency to explode.

>>25438038
Step one:
If we have the spare plasma guns on site replace the ultra smurf weapons, even if we have to borrow them from guard units. Can't afford to have Marines blowing up. Then we have both chapters focus their firepower to punch out through a weak-point in the orkish lines and begin counter encircling them

>>25438038
Just a sec, doing this>>25438084

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>>25438038
Basically have the Ultramarines handle North and East while the Knights shift to cover the South and West walls.
Use heavy weapons to kill the rear-ward Orks while the Guardsmen mow down the Orks in front.
Gunships to destroy Orks reinforcements before they reach the citadel.

>>25438084
But then you run the risk of getting counter-counter-encircled by Ork reinforcements, trapping the Space Marines between two walls of Orks.

>>25438084

"Captain Adonis, before we engage the orks I believe that we should see to the resupply of your men."

Adonis turns to you, his brow furrowed.

"Resupply? My marines have not yet done battle."

"I speak of their plasma guns," You say, pointing to their weapons, "Please exchange your weapons for our plasma guns, you will find that they do not suffer from catastrophic overheating like your models."

"Really?" Adonis says, seeming dubious.

"Trust in our techpriests Captain, I am trying to save the lives of your men."

Adonis considers, "Very well." He says in the end, "But your weapons had best perform as desired."

His marines see to the collecting of a few plasma guns from the Aprior Guardsmen.

Actions?

>>25438132
works for me

>>25438184
Have the Ultramarines step up to the North wall to bring all of the firepower to bear on the Orks in that quadrant. We'll use overwhelming firepower to clear each quadrant one by one in a clockwise fashion.

>>25438184
Sabotage the plasma guns we give to the marines so they don't become aware how advanced our technology is. It'll only lead to investigation of our sector otherwise.

>>25438162
Two more rolls please

You know, I hope that giving all of the guardsmen's plasma guns to the Ultramarines doesn't make the Guard garrison to undergunned to be able to contribute.

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>>25438276

>>25438306
you only gave them a handful, just enough to replace the two or three they were carrying.

>>25438320
We shouldn't have done that, they're not enough to make a difference in a fight, but will only draw Imperial attention on us. Give them broken ones instead.

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>>25438274
Should have thought of that before equipping the smurfs with them. Too late now, and the Guard squads that depended on those plasma guns to survive this fight don't have them anymore.

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>>25438184


Well, we still need to find the hole the Orks have been popping out from, don't we? We had to withdraw Jager when the next wave came pouring out.

Also inform Crais to not underestimate Ultramarine scouts and gets spotted. Perhaps it would be best for him to retreat to the ship.

Once we do find a concentration of Orks to attack, I suggest taking a squad of our battle brothers and go in together with captain Adonis. Do some bonding through slaying greenskins together. You know, teambuilding.

>>25438337
That will make things even worse, giving the Ultramarines weapons that don't work in the middle of a battle.

This was a stupid idea from the start, but now we have to deal with it.

>>25438337

I disagree with the sentiment of "just pretend we're completely generic chapter". Sure, we don't want them under any circumstances to meet Jager, the friendly neighbourhood jeanstealer, but our mission is to show that our way Works. Giving them Aprior Admech sanctioned Plasma Werfers seemes a good and moderate start.

>>25438408
I agree. Plus, its not like they won't notice that none of our guns explode eventually. Also, we are carrying around a weapon he has never seen before.

>>25438132

"Knights to me!" you vox, "Focus fire on the northern wall, clear the orks section by section, gunships continue strafing runs on orkish reinforcements."

You move to the northern wall as you speak, your brothers forming up alongside you.

"Support the Knights," Adonis commands, "Stand ready to assist them, cover the flanks."

You lean over the wall and hose down the horde of orks with your stormlas, the hail of lasbolts taking some toll on the orkish lines, but they move so fast in the flurry of greenskins that only a few succumb to repeated shots.

You lean over to hit a new target when you hear a deafening 'Ping!' and are knocked back over the battlements. Reaching up, you feel a slight dent in your helmet, most likely a stray orkish bolt, had you not been wearing your helmet you would likely be dead.

As you rise back up, you see the orks are raising assault ladders, winching them up by trucks or just muscling them into position. Some are shot down, but most of the ladders clamp onto the battlements and the orks leap over the top and onto the walls with you.

Roll to continue the engagement.

>>25438430
The avengers will probably be noticed as well. Fortunately, the Ultramarines are probably the best suited chapter to taking advantage of that design, since their own Ultramar Auxileria already have Valkyries.

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>>25438481
"Prepare for Close Combat!"

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>>25438481

Let's show our blues brothers that there is no lack of valor among Emperor's finest!

>>25438481
one more please.

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>>25438481

>>25438345
We'll just need to retcon that decision, are you ok with that OP?

>>25438627
Let's retcon the quest so we never gave the plasma guns to the Ultramarines, it'll be better for us in the long run, ok?

>>25438785
It's too late now. If we'd caught it right when it was posted, maybe.
But as it is, it's too late. Thank >>25438084
For both creating this situation an for a bad plan.

>>25438558
Why did we ever change from crimson fists as the flagship chapter.

>>25438819
Ward?

Rolled 58

>>25438803
No

>>25438558
>34

"Wall breached!" You shout in case someone hadn't noticed, "Close combat!"

You burn down the ork in front of you with point blank fire and then switch to your maul and pistol, smashing on ork clear off the wall and shooting another point blank.

"Warriors of Ultramar!" Adonis shouts, brandishing his power sword, cape flashing in the wind, "Stand firm! Drive them back!"

Adonis leaps into a pack of greenskins and dances in and out of their crude axes, his crackling sword spinning in complex patterns and cutting orks in half with the barest flick of his wrist.

You wade in as well, meeting him upon the battlements, sending a dozen orks at least to their doom. You must say that Adonis fights better than you, likely having many decades more experience than you, but you acquit yourself well.

In the end, the wall is secured, thanks in no small part to your actions.

Roll to continue engagement and state actions.

>>25438785
No retcons, especially with some players liking the idea.

If you want them back you can ask for them to be returned after the battle is over, but the players will need to agree on that.

>>25438818
We let the Ultramarines to spearhead the combat then and retrieve those plasmas as soon as possible. No outsider should be allowed to see how advanced they are, it'll only rise questions.

>>25438803
>>25438785
That's dumb. This pretending to be normal is silly, and exactly what we ate not supposed to do.

>>25438853
Why?

>>25438882
It's dangerous to draw Empire's attention to us since they wouldn't understand our ways. It would only lead to us being cast out as heretics and war. You know it's true.

>>25438873
Of course, but why wouldn't players agree to retrieve the plasmas, it's a good idea? We have to fix the original bad plan as quick as possibly.

>>25438878
No. Our tanks are like nothing they have ever seen and they will notice that soon enough. If tue ultrasmufs brodly distribute the tech not even the high lord will be able to call them on it

>>25438878

"Here, have these awesome plasma guns, they're awesome and better than yours?"

"Oh, those plasma guns? We want them back. And that whole 'better than yours' thing? Just pretend you never heard it."

Do you realize how stupid, and furthermore, how suspicious, this looks?

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>>25438873
I personally hate the idea of giving those plasma guns to the smurfs, both because of how it weakens the Aprior Guard units here, and because of the ramifications of the Ultramarines realizing first-hand the borderline tek-heresy that they represent.

But, actions must have consequences, and stupidity is no excuse. And because this is a collective game, everyone must pay the price of failure to vote down bad decisions.

Now back to the fight. More krak grenades and stormlas fire. Make destroying ladders a priority.

>>25438878
Hell no

This is comparable to something like the Mentor Legion chapter field testing advanced equipment. Let's not lose our head here.

Rolled 90

>>25438935

Just ignore him. He's merely being facetious.

>>25438873

Soldier on until the Orks recognize the defeat and begin to withdraw. Then, pursue.

>>25438919
Because the original plan wasn't bad.

>>25438932
Then we keep the tanks in reserve and deploy them where Ultramarines aren't, simple.

>>25439006
The sheer variety of vehicles in the Imperium means that they have probably seen stranger vehicles in their time.

Why are players apprehensive about letting the Ultras see the Fenris tanks?

>>25438966
No, I'm not having some obvious troll lead us to trouble. His entire point was to expose us to the Imperium proper so they would exterminatus us, don't you see? We have to keep our good stuff under the lid or we raise suspicions.

>>25438935
We lent them our plasma guns for te duration of this fight. Asking for them back because it weakens the Guard unit here after the battle is not stupid. Especially as the Guard need to stay here as a garrison force and need the firepower.

As for having them ignore the improvements, we shouldn't be trying to point out the improvements like a salesman, but neither should we tell them to forget about it.
Just say that we have an arrangement with the techpriests from our home planet, and they improved our meltaguns. We don't need to go into details.

This task force is to show some of the more easily accepted improvements made by the Aprior Sector and the effectiveness of our policies. But we shouldn't rub the Imperium's face in it, and keep some of the more radical divergences secret.

>>25438935
The Ultramarines don't realize just how advanced they are, they're not going to start field stripping and reverse engineering them in the middle of battle. They think it's just another pattern of plasma rifle, and that's what we need them to keep thinking.

>>25439022
We aren't. We are pointing out that pretending to be perfectly normal is not only stupid, but contrary to the whole point of our endeavor, which was to prove our methodes right.

>>25439051
Ignore this troll.

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>>25438873
Man, looks like Soviet Russia has drained all the luck from Captain Smith.

>>25439047

They are PLASMA GUNS THAT DON'T OVERHEAT. It's a technological revolution unheard of since the Dark Age of Technology. There's no way the Ultras are retarded enough to ignore it, even if we ask them to return the guns.

>>25439046
This, a hundred times. If the Ultramarines see our tech they think that we are hereteks and in cahoots with Chaos. They'll turn on us.

>>25439027
Actually, I've been here in every thread helping keeping this quest alive.

>>25439076
Yes they are retarded, we're the only reasonable marines in the setting. Don't try to derail this quest into fighting the Imperium, troll.

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>>25439027

If we wanted to stay hidden for even we would obediently stay put in the Aprior sector and pray that there is no crusade accidentaly taking place through our back yard. Of all the things that are likely to provoke zealots' wrath, employment of improved technology is last of them. Least of all if it's our branch of AdMech who has blessed this particular design.

It's not like there is no technological advancements at all in the Imperium, it's just much, much slower. Tech priests do not REALLY work by hitting unknown with their dicks until they accidentally the power switch.

>>25439082
I have no reason to believe you.

I'd like to say that I support the promoting th spred of our inovations where possible

I'd say that the trolls seem to on the conceal side.

>>25439093
We have xeno tech, tyranid operatives and daemons. If our good tech attracts Imperium attention they will come to investigate, and then brand us heretics and Chaos. I won't let trolls to ruin the good thing we have going for us with their braindead ideas.

>>25439074

Maybe it just froze and needs some thawing out.

With a plasma rifle

>>25439022
I'm not apprehensive about the smurfs seeing the Fenris tanks, our Rocket Artillery, or our plasma guns.
What I am concerned about are the Rangers, Jäger, Vael and the battlesuits, the Tau Guardsmen, and Kalec getting a little too chatty around an Orthodox AdMech adept about reverse-engineering and development of new technologies.

>>25439114
Why would you say this? It's a retarded stupid idea to expose our tech to the Imperium, who are xenophobic and small-minded. Get out.

>>25439116

We don't have other deamons than what an inquisitor has already seen in the fluff outside the quest. They haven't seen Jager, nor are they aware of his nature. And I'm pretty sure they are NOT retarded enough to go all 'heresy' about a gifted weapon from fellow servants of the Emperor.

Calling other people trolls or braindead doesn't help either. Only makes it look like you are in fact the troll here.

>>25439133
Because you are using they same logic that they did.

>>25439074

How are we planning to engage the orks?

ALSO: let me remind the players that the inquisition is already fairly aware of the 'oddities' of the Aprior sector, the inquisition is in conflict about what to do.

Puritans want us all dead, radicals wonder if we're to be emulated, both sides know that invading Aprior would be a bloodbath, so they compromised and are watching the JTFs progress.

They already know damn well that we have nice guns and a fairly good idea where they came from, but with the radicals defending us the puritans cannot rally the momentum for a crusade, at least not yet.

>>25439133

You're the one shitting up the thread with your tantrum, and you're clearly the minority opinion on this issue. Get out or shut up.

>>25439133
Only I can tell people to get out, and I have not done so yet.

I am actually quite enjoying the discussion here, it's nice to see some passion in the playerbase.

>>25439163
I love this quest but it just gets me angry that people go with obvious stupid ideas, it makes me think that they are all trolls just trying to ruin this for us. I am sorry but that's how I feel!

>>25439203
Relax, I am not going to let a little thing like this kill us all.

Now if Adonis asks where you got them and you say "A joint research endeavor between Aprior techpriests and tau engineers, then there would be problems."

>>25439192
I'm not alone, there's several posters that agree that giving the plasmas to Ultramarines was a stupid idea. Only trolls supported that.

>>25439187

Good. Let's keep it that way.

By being good battle brothers to our FRIENDS from another chapter.

What's the status of the Ork assault anyway? Did the green tide begin to withdraw?

>>25439187
And the Puritans won't be able to rally an "official" Crusade so long as the JTF continues to succeed.

Now, as for the fight, have the Knights prioritize taking out ladders and anything the Orks could use to breach the walls.
Guardsmen to continue firing into the horde, while Space Marines concentrate on the rear of the horde and any reinforcements.
And guardsmen to use grenades liberally.

>Reasonable

>>25439223
They have been beaten back, but about three hundred are still massed at the base of the fort walls, firing up and attempting to climb the walls or hack their way through.

>>25439216
Well that's an obviously stupid thing to say.
"The product of cooperation between the AdMech techpriests of the Aprior Sector and our Chapter's techmarines" is a better one.

>>25439216
Good, I don't want us to fail just because some of the players acted stupid and didn't think of the consequences of their actions.

>>25439255
Drop krak grenades and fire into them, with plasma guns and stormlas.

>>25439255
Let's drop meltabombs on them, that should do it.

>>25439286
They're at the base of the walls of the fort. Meltabombs would damage the fort walls. So no, don't do this, this is a bad plan.

>>25439255

No point in damaging what was meant to be our defensive lines. Just wipe them out with bolter fire. Next point of order we should be figuring how they popped up inside our surveillance grid. Did our techpriests make any progress in figuring out how to map the underground?

>>25439234
>35

"Walls secure, Knights keep them from climbing again."

You turn to Adonis, "Captain, please have your men fire into the orks at the base of the fort, thin their ranks along with my guardsmen."

Adonis nods, "You watch our back and we will obliterate them."

You rove the walls with your Knights, killing orks as they come and overturning their ladders wherever they gain purchase. After this no more orks find their way to the walls.

In the streets below the piles of orkish dead are fast rising, with a half dozen squads of marines and an entire garrison of guardsmen firing into them they are fast destroyed, the panicked survivors fleeing through rubble and destroyed buildings to escape the slaughter, the Ultramarines firing after them all the way.

"Pilots," Adonis voxes, "Hunt down the greenskins, slay them to the last."

He then turns to you.

"It seems we have secured this fort. I have received some briefing, but as you have been here in person I would appreciate if you would fill me in on your struggle thus far."

Response?

>>25439306
Fucking trolls, man.

>>25439352
Admonish Adonis and forbid him from shooting at fleeing enemy combatants. They're sentient beings and no longer a threat to us.

>>25439381
>>no longer a threat
>>orks

Um what

Sentient or not, orks live for LITERALLY no other reason other than waging war for the sheer sake of waging war

>>25439352

Give him a brief overview of the battles with the orks on the planet, and explain that they seem to have a way to penetrate our surveillance unnoticed, using underground tunnels.

>>25439352
"We first cleared out the Orks from the capital, then struck out at the industrial and agricultural sectors. While clearing out the agricultural sector, we came upon an Ork warboss and eliminated it when it tried to flee using a modified railcar.
"After that, and some orbital strikes, we had a few weeks of something akin to peace as we hunted down individual Ork squads. But then today, these hordes of Orks suddenly appeared behind our defensive perimeters with no warning, and at multiple places at once."

>>25439381
What? Knight tactical doctrine has no quarter and all weapons free for when fighting Orks.
You need to reread the fluff.

>>25439275

My thought process was that some people want to kill us for our inovations, so having the one chapter no one is willing to fuck with use some of our inovations would provide cover.

>>25439381
This is a very bad idea, and goes against Readonable Marine doctrine.
The Codex Inductor does NOT support this action.

>>25439352

"Upon first making planetfall we found the capitol besieged and liberated it from the orks, following that we struck out at several other targets across the planet using our various forces. In our previous engagement in this city we engaged and eliminated the orkish warboss.

Following that we hunted down individual pockets of orks, and it seemed we had the situation in control. Earlier today however, large forces of orks somehow evaded our security perimeter and engaged several cities. We were engaged here and were being pushed back, but thanks to your timely arrival were able to hold the point.

I shall have an officer in my staff forward you a more complete list of events upon our return to the capitol."

Adonis quirks an eyebrow. "Various forces? Is this not an Astartes deployment?"

You consider, "Yes and no, this is a Joint Task Force, composed of Astartes, Sororitas and guard elements." And a few others you think to yourself.

"Interesting." Says Adonis, his brow furrowed somewhat, but his mood seems to brighten again after a moment.

Further actions?

>>25439483
Except we're already protected by the Inquisition (Radical). And it wouldn't matter if the Ultramarines were on our side or not; fanatics wouldn't give a shit.

>>25439494
We should gather some orc spores to see if we can train them to be loyal to us.

>>25439526
'Is there a problem with having non-astartes elements?'

>>25439537
THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA.

>>25439526
Now that the fighting is done, ask Adonis to return the plasma guns, politely.
"Captain, please have your men return their borrowed plasma guns. The Guardsmen will pass them along to the techpriests for proper anointing and appeasement of the machines spirits. They can be...finicky, if not treated properly."

Make him think that our plasma guns are nice but high maintenance, and need specialized techpriests. It should make him more willing to give them up and not keep them, as well as explaining their improved performance.

>>25439577
Dunno, we succeeded with tyranids, daemons, tau and eldar, might work just as well with orcs. They would make for superb shock troopers.

>>25439598
Also, our Guard regiments totally need them more than the marines.

>>25439599
Agreed, I don't want to go full PURGE THE XENO LOLO on orks, I want them researched properly to see if we can retrain them to help us or discover some useful advances from studying them.

>>25439526

"Is there a problem with having non-astartes elements in this conflict?"

Adonis considers, "I have nothing but respect for the Imperial Guard or the Sisters of Battle, I was simply surprised as this the Codex Astartes does not provide for the formation of such long term mixed forces."

He considers you for a time, taking in your camouflaged armor, stormlas, and dented helmet.

"To each his own, I suppose, if it aids us in the reclamation of this planet then it is an acceptable development."

Further actions?

>>25439598
What is our decision on the plasma guns?

>>25439537
>>25439577
Be aware that an ASIS trained ork kommando unit was an option during force creation.

>>25439645
Could we recreate the ork kommando unit under field conditions?

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>>25439537

They are not going to be loyal to us. Maybe we could keep some spores for deployment as a chemical weapon, but what's the point in chemical weapon that renders the world as uninhabitable as it was before? Cure worse than the disease...

>>25439526

Make sure to give him some documents to mull over, preferably with Confessor's sigil or whatever he uses to show that we're fine with the Ecclesiarchy.

Send out scouts to seek out tunnel entrances. Or looted webway portalz. Or whatever the Orks used to launch their attack from.

>>25439645
Ask them to be returned nicely, the IG need them anyway more than the marines.

>>25439657
I want to hear from OP first if we can recreate the ork kommando unit under field conditions before I decide what we do with them.

>>25439653
Not really, it would take too long to raise the orks and it is possible it would not work.

But you could choose the unit as a reinforcement when given the option.

>>25439645

ORK kommando? Really? Well skill of our black ops never ceases to amaze me. But let's not try to replicate the feat. Even if it really is possible, we lack equipment, expertise, time and safe environment.

ASIS, seriously? Hm. How do they deal with them leaving their spores behind? Do they run around in latex? That would surely only last until first firefight...

>>25439645
Ask for the plasma guns back using this dialogue >>25439598

>>25439653
If we want ork units we would first need a ork boss/nob who understands tactics and the chain of command. After that a environmentally sealed housing area and specially sealed suits to contain their spores. In other words we got ourselves some homework to do before we can safely pull it off.

>>25439693
Ork commandos are a loaner unit from the Green Shadow.

Besides being ignorant of the background material, I don't know if some of these posts are being intentionally dense or they're just that ignorant and stupid.

>>25439693

To clarify, there is a crew of freebooters under the command of one Kaptin Feegul, who decided to fight the other big nasties of the Aprior sector, and hope that humans would eventually grow big enough for a proper fight.

Over time he ceased to really care that the humies weren't getting bigger, and seemed to become a bizarre kind of big brother, hoping that the little humies could one day be orky enough for a proper WAAAAAGH!!!!

This particular unit is part of an experiment by ASIS, as for the spores.....

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Content in a moment, asking for guns back if nobody objects.

>>25439693
>Ork Kommandos wrapped in condoms

>>25439738
They're trolls pretending to be stupid, just like when 'we' loaned those plasma guns.

>>25439645
Let them keep the plasma guns.

>>25439792
No, the Guardsmen need them more.

>>25439645
I vote we give them the plasma guns.

>>25439645
Making the Ultramarines complicit in some of our advances is a valuable political tool

>>25439751

Very well then. Can we replicate more of them, or is that impossible under constrains of Vostroyan industrial machine?

>>25439764
That is Guardsman Ivan, one of my more supportive players. Trust me he is no fool.

>>25439751
I object

>>25439751
Let them keep the guns.

>>25439751
I don't object just make sure to state that our guardsmen could use them more.

>>25439792
Look, are you really this dumb?
The Ultrmarines have neither the techmarines or techpriests trained for the proper maintenance of an Aprior plasma gun, or the local manufactorum resources to fabricate the specialized spare parts.
These are not the AK-47-equivalent weapons that their support staff are used to maintaining, but an HK G-11 with all of its specialized parts and repair tools.
These plasma guns can do more good, and work longer, in the hands of the Aprior Guardsmen the were taken from.

>>25439792
No, retard.

>>25439803
Shut the fuck up, retard.

>>25439813
You cannot be this fucking stupid, or are you trolling? Overruled, ignore that post.

>>25439856
>>25439849
I appreciate the passion, but a shouting match will not help anything.

I have made my decision, and I will try to satisfy all viewpoints moving forward.

Content in a moment.

>>25439751
I object. Let them keep the guns and eventually spread their use.

>>25439824
>>25439835
>>25439841
Fuck you trolls go away with your feeble trolling attempts. Your ideas are so fucking stupid that it's instantly clear that you're not serious. No one listens to you morons.

>>25439813
It would not, and it would damage long-term relations with the Ultramarines. So this is a bad plan because it does not consider the long-term, even whether it would work, which it wouldn't.

>>25439847
The ultramarines are not fucking dumb. They can figure it out if we give them the STC.

>>25439883
You know what? Fuck you. I've been here since day one, and this is a simple outgrowth of the idea to sell Fenris tanks on our last mission, which worked brilliantly.

>>25439871
How can you even be sure that they're valid players when they suggest actions which are specifically against the Knight's doctrine?

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>>25439847

This is a good point. Perhaps our tech marines could confer some of our - adMech approved - knowledge to theirs?

>>25439914
The love and bunnies idiot is totally different from the plasma fags. He's a long running troll.

>>25439890
>STC
And therein you prove your ignorance and stupidity. At least know the material.

>>25439871

"Yes, a well executed battle." You say.

"I feel somewhat offensive for asking, but my men shall need those plasma guns back, I fear that your techpriests would be unable to care for them in any case. Whilst the weapons are quite effective, their machine spirits can turn cranky if not properly cared for."

Adonis considers, "Very well, they are your weapons to begin with in any case."

"A shame," says one Ultra, eying the plasma rifle in his hands, "These are fine weapons."

"Perhaps my techpriests can forward you a copy of the design, once we know each other better."

"Indeed, perhaps." Adonis nods.

Further statements?

>>25439914
Your support is very much appreciated.

>>25439914
I do not care where they come from or what their suggestions are, all suggestions are valid. If I did not give an outright no to a player jokingly asking about romancing the (male) tau commander I certainly won't say no to giving the Ultras plasma guns.

>>25439883
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/User:Blackjack217

>>25439943

Ignorance and stupidity are two very different things.

And there is a great difference between trying to share tech with another chapter and "trying to negotiate with a charging genestealer".

>>25439965
Nah, as long as we are spreading the design I'm good.

>>25439967
OKAY, let's all take a deep breath and relax people, we are all here to have fun.

I appreciate the passion here, but please rest assured that I will not allow the quest to die based on one seemingly trivial decision, especially one as easily rectified as this one as this.

And insulting each other will not help at all, I hope we can move forward from this with no hard feelings.

>>25439888
Don't reply to him anon, he's a troll trying to fuck up our quest.

>>25439906
I was against selling the tanks too. Too risky.

I remember that HollowQuest had some kind of grudge against this quest because they thought we were downvoting it?

>>25440000
>dub quarts don't lie

>>25440018

>>>/b/

>>25439924
Nah, too risky.

>>25440010
Really, I never knew about that.

>>25439965
Anything further to say here?

>>25439991
Actually, I'm an original member of the quest, and I'm not going anywhere
>>25440010
They disliked Valkyria Quest. And that was called off when troll was told to put up or shut up

>>25440031
Promise to send those blueprints

>>25439924
Do so. What's the point of our reforms if we have to hide even the most innocuous of them.

>>25439986
WE ARE NOT SPREADING THE DESIGN IDIOT! The Imperium is fucked, and we will not be dragged down by them. We'll keep the contact to the bare minimum and let them rot in their ignorance and stupidity.

>>25440033
Oh, sorry.

I hope Quests never war against each other. That would be too stupid.

>>25440031

Well, the captain has, as you put it, plenty of experience. Maybe we could ask him for his opinion on strategy. Ultramarine or not, you don't get to survive many battles by not learning tactics.

>>25440062
That's the exact opposite of our mission statement.

>>25439906
No it's not, because the situation is very different.
Our last mission was on the edge of Aprior space, meaning that it could be more easily reached by traders from the Aprior Sector and therefore more easily influenced. Such is not the case with the Ultramarines.
Second, the Fenris tanks were bought by the PDF, who have much more leeway in their equipment than the Ultramarines, who rigidly follow the Codex Astartes.
Third, the Ultramarines already have their own plasma weapons, while the Guardsmen no longer have them. The Guardsmen need them more than the Ultramarines.
Finally, they have already used them; letting them keep them until they break down or are improperly maintained and then break in the hands of their user is no favor the Ultramarines, especially as they would need to avail themselves of our manufactorum for spare parts.

After letting them test-drive our model of plasma gun, there's no need to simply give it to them.

>>25440040
NO TO THE BLUEPRINTS! You fucking retard, I bet if you were Anne Frank you'd invite Nazis to celebrate Hanukkah. That's how stupid you currently are.

>>25440062
Wait what? The WHOLE POINT of the JFT is to prove our methods and ideology to the =][= and the Impirium. The Chapter Master was very clear on that.

>>25440033
Says you, troll.

>>25440040
Yes to the blueprints

>>25440087
How would you like me to prove it?

>>25440066
No we will stay separate of Imperium proper and maintain our way of life. It's superior, we don't have to try to prove it and invite disaster by doing so.

>>25440064

"You are no stranger to battle Captain," you say, "And perhaps we could benefit from a fresh perspective, how would you handle the situation on Volkgarod?"

Adonis considers, "In this situation I would station half my forces in orbit to perform Steel Rain on any concentrations of orks which appear, until we are able to discern how they are evading your defenses we must keep a mobile strike force prepared.

Following that I would send out my forces and obliterate any concentrations of orks we can find, by bolter or blade."

"A sound strategy." You say, trying to remember the Codex terminology he is using.

Responses?

>>25440095
How about starting by shutting up with stupid plans? Play seriously or don't play at all.

>>25440117
But I am playing seriously.

>>25440081
I agree, we should get Captain Adonis together with the Tau commander and our Eldar rangers so he can see that they're not a threat to Imperium. We can convince him of our superior ways.

>>25440101
Have you read thread one? Because you are objectively quotably wrong.

>>25440117
This is not helping, apart from the one guy saying we should read that purestrain his miranda rights these have all been fairly good ideas.

And that one was even technically possible, if not necessarily wise.

>>25440127
Like fuck you are, troll. You try to make us commit terrible mistakes.

>>25440133
You, stop either trolling of strawmaning.

>>25439989
>no hard feelings
That's unlikely. And your naive belief that all suggestions are valid, will that extend to obviously troll suggestions such as to smash the Gellar Field controls while in the Warp?

>>25440147
>>25440127

You have both given sound suggestions, which I incorporated into my response.

Are we ready to move on anytime soon? Because this discussion, while interesting, is going nowhere.

>>25440133
Plasma is a good idea. You are taking it past the point of all reason. On the other hand, you are an obvious troll.

>>25440139
Instead of getting upset we should introduce Adonis to our advanced tech. He'll understand that cooperation with Tau and Eldar is worth it when he sees how powerful our equipment are.

>>25440154
This. Don't listen to these plasma trolls anymore.

>>25440154
Only if you had a justified reason for smashing them, then I would consider it.

There are of course some things that the character would simply never do, like burning down a house for shits and giggles, but until then I will at least humor all opinions, even if I do not go with them.

>>25440111

Did we get scout marines in the field looking for incursion points? Ultramarines' scouts could help us with that. I trust that Crais has already withdrawn.

>>25440171
I'd just like to point out that this guy, who instead of saying things that OP has explicitly said is a fairly good idea is saying something that he has explicitly warned us against.

>>25440170
Fucking trolls fucking up our quest. Let's skip the whole plasma thing for now or we get nothing done. Move on, OP please!

>>25440176
>>25440154
He has said that it is a "Fairly good idea." This does not mean automatic suicide. You need to recalibrate your trolldar.

>>25440188
Crais has withdrawn, Jager is awaiting approval to go hunting, some Ultra scouts are in the field looking for evidence, but since the Ultras killed off the running orks there is nobody to follow, and since you did not actually see the orks emerging on the thermal sensors then the chances of finding their origin point are a bit slim.

But you are at least now fairly sure about how the orks are getting around.

>>25440189
He's one of the trolls trying to derail our quest, ignore him. Just ignore this plasma discussion, the trolls keep coming back to it again and again.

>>25440111
"Currently we have been using orbital strikes in place of orbital deployments for this Ork concentrations distant from civilian populations and vital infrastructure. We will, of course, maintain a mobile strike force to contain and eliminate Ork groups that cannot be dealt with by space batteries.
"Captain, have you any scouts? I only have enough to examine the other two cities besieged; a scout force for this city to find how the Orks are arriving would be welcome."

>>25440210

oh Emprah no. Tell Jager to get on first dropship up to our ship and stay away from anything blue.

>>25440210
Why didn't we stop the Ultramarines from shooting the fleeing orks then? Now we have no leads, nice going!

>>25440214
I was just trying to help separate the obvious trolls from those who are arguing about a contentious decision.

>>25440220
Agreed, I still don't like having him around. Ship him to orbit and tell him to stay put.

>>25440210

Oh right, there was more.

Well, could anyone in Capitol have idea of the layout of tunnel network? They are rather unlikely to be of natural origin, nor do I think Orks would have managed to dig them out. And I'd rather not contemplate possibility that this is also a Tomb world...

...fuck. Please tell me this is not so.

>>25440227
Because the only one who suggested it phrased it in an incredibly stupid manor that set off everyone's trolldar.

>>25440238
Just stop talking about plasma at all and move on please!

>>25440210
This dialogue >>25440215
We know that they're using underground tunnels.
Vox Zhukov and have his staff forward all metro tunnel plans to our analysts to determine which tunnels are most likely being used. Also vox Kalec to see if the ground seismic sensors are ready.

>>25440245
Well why didn't anyone of you then rephrase it properly if you felt that my wording was so stupid? I just roleplayed how a modern commander would've acted in a situation like that!

>>25440242
Nah, let's have him inject some tyranid genes into our marines to make them super marines!

>>25440227
You could have said to stop them when Adonis told his thunderhawk pilots to hunt them down.

Nobody said anything, except the one guy who wanted to spare them because they were fleeing, and everyone disagreed with him.

>>25440215
"Currently we have been using orbital strikes in place of orbital deployments for this Ork concentrations distant from civilian populations and vital infrastructure. We will, of course, maintain a mobile strike force to contain and eliminate Ork groups that cannot be dealt with by space batteries.
"Captain, have you any scouts? I only have enough to examine the other two cities besieged; a scout force for this city to find how the Orks are arriving would be welcome."

"Indeed," says Adonis, "We must stab at the heart of this menace to kill it swiftly."

Retire to Capitol? Also, do you wish to ship all xeno forces back to the ship, or just keep them where the Ultras aren't, considering that half of them will be in space at any given time this will not be very difficult.

>>25440265
It wasn't how it was phrased for me, but that everyone else objected.

And yes, Adonis would probably be very mad that you let orks go, regardless of your reasons, so perhaps it's for the best.

>>25440265
>just roleplayed how a modern commander would've acted
By ignoring the current Rules of Engagement and tactical doctrine we are operating under?

>>25440280
I said to Adonis to stop them, why didn't you listen!

>>25440295
We're roleplaying a modern minded people in the Imperium, right? It's not much of a leap to assume that we follow sensible doctrine instead of hurr durr purge xenos.

>>25440310
>>25440295

I am sorry for not going with your suggestion. Rest assured that there are other methods for determining the source of the orks, which your people are working on, such as seismic sensors, and low altitude thermal scans.

All is not lost.

>>25440321
Here is the background:
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Knights_Inductor

>>25440295
Our doctrine is not to do stupid things. I agree that letting the orcs go would've been the rational thing to do, but then the trolls drowned the discussion with their retardation. Pay more attention next time, people!

>>25440280
Jäger will have to go up, unfortunately, as he might be detected if the Ultramarines have a Librarian.
Same with Vael and the battlesuits, but keep them on standby near Dropships in case they are needed.
As for the Tau Guardsmen, shift them around to keep them from the Ultramarines.
Also have the human Aprior Guardsmen keep an eye on the Ultramarines and vox warnings on an encrypted channel to Crais and his Rangers when they're in the area.

As for us, we should stay here a little longer in case the Orks mount a second attack.

>>25440338
Can you highlight for me the part where we gun down fleeing enemies please, I cannot seem to find it at all?

Out of pure curiosity, I remember we brought along something like 3 squads right? Were those Codex sized squads or Inductor sized ones. Because the Inductorhave 30 men per squad. Also, we were carrying the stormlas around that whole fight right?

>>25440353
Finally, someone who isn't a blithering idiot! I'm seconding all of these, they are good suggestions!

>>25440365
Inductor size squads, personal armament for you in a stormlas, bolter, bolt pistol, and shock maul.

Personal weapons are chosen by players now before engagements.

>>25440321

Liberal is not the same as retarded, contrary to what fox news might make one believe. Humanitarian gesture towards Orks is the latter. Letting them run so they can be followed is sensible. But what's done is done.

>>25440280

Too much traffic to our ship might look suspicious. Let's just not deploy them in the same theatres. Let's just not flaunt around the most offending pieces, like battlesuits. And Jager is confined to ship for rest of engagement. I like him, but he's too much of a risk here.

>>25440353
It would be better to form a separate unit from all the tau guardsmen and deploy them far from Ultras just so there's no accidental exposure.

>>25440388
Again, please show me the point in the doctrine where we're supposed to gun down fleeing enemies? I'm still waiting you know...
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Knights_Inductor

>>25440321
>>25440344
Our doctrine also requires us to think of the political and social ramifications of our tactical decisions.
While letting the Orks go to follow them back to their base makes sense on a tactical level, it would have made our working relationship with Captain Adonis and the Ultramarines very tense. Since we just met each other and have not built a rapport with them, such friction would have been detrimental to the JTF as a whole in the long run.

In the context of politics and strategic considerations at the Sector level, killing all of the Orks was the right decision to make.

Now do you understand why your idea was rejected?

>>25440388
So why didn't you say anything then? You were just content to bash on my idea because you didn't like my roleplaying. You weren't judging it objectively.

>>25440353

You turn from Adonis and activate your vox.

"Jager, I need you to get back up to the 'Flame, we absolutely cannot risk you being detected by the Ultramarines."

Jager sighs into your vox, "I understand Cap, call me if you need me."

"I'm sorry Jager but I cannot take the risk."

"That's fine, I'm getting tired of snow anyways."

You switch to patch in Vael and O'Niell.

"Gentlemen, the presence of the Ultramarines, while helpful, presents a few problems. I need you to work on keeping our tau members away from our new allies, lest it... sour our relations."

You could attach a Knight to Adonis' command squad under the pretense of keeping up communications. A bit better than a guardsman perhaps.

>>25440406
It was rejected by trolls and careless players, not because it was a bad idea.

>>25440411
Because there has been a troll around who advocated things in a similar way that you did. I'll freely admit that your ideas were not nearly as stupid as his were, but your tone was unfortunately similar

>>25440417
And my a GM who should have listened better, but what is done is done sadly.

>>25440414
We should attach ourselves to his squad to build up rapport. Since we're a captain we can take our men with us to provide security in case things go sour.

>>25440399

>Sometimes, this involves tolerating or cooperating with people (human or otherwise)
Orks are not people. Human or otherwise. We would not deal with daemons or untreated 'nids either. Well, maybe if they surrendered beforehands. And we had the nulls with us.

>>25440414
>You could attach a Knight to Adonis' command squad under the pretense of keeping up communications. A bit better than a guardsman perhaps.
That was the next step, yes.
But what I had the Ultramarines' scout marines in mind, as they operate a little more independently of their assault marines. The idea is that Crais stays informed and one step ahead of the scout marines.

>>25440431
Yeah, it's not a far fetched idea that the smurfs fly off the handle when they discover some of our more...radical doctrines, so it's good idea to have us near their command to hold a gun against their head if need be.

>>25440434
So what you're saying is that there's no line 'gun down fleeing enemies' in the document, is that it?

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>>25440431

Second.

>>25440444
Agreed, we plant ourselves into smurf command squad to become buddy-buddy with them, and if they start freaking out we can take them down before things get out of hand.

>>25440417
I rejected it because it was a bad idea.
It provided only a slightly easier way of obtaining the intel we need, while making our erstwhile allies more likely to turn on us, or ally with the locals in a coordinated backstabbing, because that's what Stalin does.
Using scout marines, tunnel maps, and seismic sensors would take a little but longer but not so long that a second major offensive could be mounted in the time.

>>25440444

"Captain," you say, Adonis turning away from his staff, "If you would consent, perhaps one of my Knights could join your command squad for the duration of this mission, it would aid communication between our forces."

Adonis considers this. "An, unorthodox method, but it could have merit. Perhaps you would consent to doing the same, I would be interested to learn more of your chapter and its ways, I have never heard of the Knights Inductor before."

Response?

>>25440461
Putting yourself on the command squad means that you cannot really chose your deployments. Trust that there will be plenty of chances for some battle-brother bonding with Adonis in the future.

>>25440455
Do you know that you also need to read the Reasonable Marines page as well?
There's a link to it at the bottom of the Knights Inductor page.

>>25440471
Whatever, I'm done listening to you.

>>25440474
"Of course, Captain. We would welcome a chance to learn about your Chapter."
This way we can more easily control how certain items of interest are perceived.

>>25440487
So you're saying there's a line 'gun down fleeing enemies' in the Reasonable Marines page? 'cause sure as hell I'm not seeing it ...

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>>25440474

Good point. I retract my vote.

>>25440474
Send three marines in terminator suits as 'liaison officers', tell them that they have to be prepared to neutralize smurf command if bad comes to worst.

>>25440524
You do not have terminator suits at this time.

>>25440507
Ehh, I'd rather not have spies on my command. Tell Adonis that our comm systems are pretty well, there's no reason to send liaison officers to our side.

>>25440528
Assault marines then, people who are good at close quarters combat. I want us to have the option to take down smurf command if necessary.

>>25440535
He is unlikely to agree if you do not reciprocate.

>>25440546
No assaults either, Knights are not really ones for chainswords in most cases.

>>25440507
This works. Also, we should justify our fairly obvious divergence with the Codex with the fact that we are incapable of having Librarians, but instead tend to use silencers. Should justify a few things.

>>25440513
Orks
The Orks are beyond reason and beyond even the most basic forms of negotiation. As such, the Reasonable Marines have excluded them from the ethical approach to warfare they exhibit with other races. However, the more 'kunnin' Orks often give the Marines a challenge in guerrilla warfare and as such dealing with high priority targets like Kommandos are treated with the same sporty enthusiasm they would show when competing with the Raven Guard.

Specifically the
>excluded them from the ethical approach to warfare

>>25440568
Should we be that open about a mutation in our Geneseed?
Then again, the Blood Angels have their mutations, and they're accepted.

Maybe just keep it at, "Our Geneseed prevents us from having any psyker join our ranks."

>>25440474
You consider for a moment, then nod.
"Of course, Captain. We would welcome a chance to learn about your Chapter as well."

"Very well," says Adonis, gesturing one of his men forwards. "This is brother Lykos, one of my best, I am sure he will serve you well."

You look at the marine, his power armor resplendent with icons of rank, it is he who complimented your plasma weapon's quality.

"Welcome aboard Lykos, this is brother Linnaeus, one of my most accomplished Knights."

Linnaeus nods and hefts his Avenger.

"I am sure this will be an equitable arrangement for us all."

Adonis nods. "Yes, interesting as well."

Anything further or return to capitol to plan next move?

>>25440557
Pfft, battlesuits then, whatever. Just something that can punch through a marine armor if needs be. Agree to some of his men in response, we can use them as hostages.

>>25440582
Where in that paragraph reads 'gun down fleeing enemies', could you highlight it for me please?

>>25440609
Accepted is bit of a stretch, more like 'tolerated'. We don't need to tell them about our geneseed, it'll just make them suspicious. For now we're pure and happy super best friends of Emperor.

>>25440616
Bring up a dataslate with a map of the city, and overlay O'Neill's thermal scans that showed the initial appearance of the Ork horde within our defense perimeter.
We should check on it ourselves.

Also, did the crew of that Valkyrie that went Dow get rescued? If not, take a squad of Knights with us and go look for that gunship crew.

>>25440630
Basically the players decided not to make a scene of stopping Adonis from killing a few orks.

The players need not necessarily follow the letter of the Knight fluff, otherwise this would just be a story with no player input.

>>25440616
'Our comm systems can be kinda wonky, I'll have brother Linnaeus accompanied by tech marines'. Send in a couple of more men, a tech marine that can hack their systems and a heavy combat servitor.

>>25440655
The crew made it out, but Kalec is going to have kittens as it were getting it back in the air.

>>25440656
It's okay to admit that you're wrong, I'm graceful in victory you know...

>>25440666
Rig it with explosives just in case so it doesn't fall into enemy hands. Order IG to start retrieving it.

>>25440624

Ah, the Endless summer.

>>25440682
>herp derp le summer maymay
You're not funny, retard.

>>25440643
Technically, our geneseed is different in ways opposite from the Blood angels. Our gene's are not a cause of Chaos corruption. I simply meant it might make a good excuse if people get picky. Also, any new tech should be justified if asked by "Developed to fight 'Nids" if Big C was willing to write a new book because the Codex wouldn't cut ice, they'll let slide some of our more innocuous weapons. Not talking about the battlesuits mind, but the other stuff, some of which actually was developed in that fashion.

>>25440630
>excluded them from the ethical approach to warfare
Do you consider NOT gunning down fleeing enemies as ethical conduct in warfare?
If so, then excluding Orks from consideration for ethical approaches to warfare condones gunning them down as they flee.

>>25440669

But he was right. You were wrong. You just lack reading comprehension.

>>25440689


I did not aim to be funny, I aimed to be right. Thanks for proving me so.

>>25440666
Then it's already tagged for retrieval by the Guard and we don't need to do anything about it.
Take a squad to go to where te Orks first appeared, have the other squads assist in re-securing this city.

And Vox for an update from Cypress and Vael on the status of the cities they defended.

>>25440681
The Aprior Guards should already be getting it since the crew were rescued.
These are Aprior Guard units, we can trust them to be competent and get things done without us micromanaging.

>>25440669
I make no judgements, I serve the will of the players, unless they totally lose their minds.

>>25440655
Walking into the thunderhawk you bring up a thermal scan of the city and surrounding area. You rewind and examine the time when the orks first appeared on screen, running rampant over the countryside.

To your annoyance the limited thermal coverage does not show the actual appearance of the orks, they came in from outside the scan zone.

"Kalec." You vox, hearing something dropping loudly through your speakers.

"Yes Captain?" Says a somewhat breathless techpriest.

"These thermal scans do not show the origin points of the orkish hordes attacking the cities, I need better intel than this."

"Of course sir!" Kalec says with the strange enthusiasm of the incredibly tired, "I shall begin a recursive algorithm to calculate likely origin points based on known data-sets at once!"

...

"Right, vox me when you are done."

Anything else?

>>25440694
Okay so you admit that the line 'gun down fleeing enemies' actually DOESN'T appear even one in our doctrine?

Which is something I've been saying all this time. Must be a pain to be so slow on the uptake...

>>25440735
Shut the fuck up.

>>25440738
The battles with Cypress and Vael have wound down, there is some fighting still going on, but the appearance of the Ultras has helped turn the tide in the defenders favor, and the battles are being concluded.

>>25440796
Faggot.

>>25440786
Send some marines into the tunnels to scout for signs of ork activity.

>>25440789
Yes, the line does not appear.
But it doesn't have to because the phrase is "excluded them from the ethical approach to warfare", which encompasses shooting them while they flee as well as other unethical means of warfare.
It's simple deductive reasoning that you should be capable of.

>>25439076
>They are PLASMA GUNS THAT DON'T OVERHEAT. It's a technological revolution unheard of since the Dark Age of Technology. There's no way the Ultras are retarded enough to ignore it, even if we ask them to return the guns.

False.
Undercharged Plasmaguns were an IG standard rule in second edition. It WAS possible recently, and is still theoretically possible, though likely a re-lost or phased-out-for-effectiveness-by-mars decision.

I also miss the landspeeder drop for ig too :(

>>25440826
>Yes, the line does not appear.
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Fag.

>>25440786
Finish securing the rest of the city. Once cleared out, we will return to the capital for re-arming and repair.

>>25440842
Second edition fluff has been overwritten by the most current fluff, peon. Shut your mouth when you don't know what you're talking about.

>>25440789

Does that mean you don't care about the actual doctrine and are merely a word fetishist?

>>25440847
And yet you ignore the rest of the statement.
Those specific words are not needed to condone shooting Orks in the back while they flee. Or even if try surrender.

>>25440857

The next few hours are spent meticulously clearing the city of whatever orks remain, those left behind or not taken by the mob mentality which seems to dictate all orkish action.

With this task done you set off for the capitol, brother Lykos following you into your thunderhawk, as your various craft lift off and head towards the capitol.

Is there anything you wish to say to your new liaison whilst in flight?

>>25440881

Don't grace troll by a response.

He also said he was "graceful in victory". Guess that just makes him a lame loser.

>>25440881
Stay buttmad, fag.

>>25440895
Even though that anon is trolling he raises a good point - we shouldn't have gunned down the orcs, it was just short-sighted decision. (or more specifically a decision that we *didn't* make in time).

>>25440889

Some small talk, maybe. How many campaigns has he been in, or perhaps just narrow that down against engagement that involved Orks.

>>25440899
>>25440895
>>25440881

I would like to say, for the record, that none of this argument in any way influences my decisions in how to proceed with the quest.

>>25440889
Nah, we'll keep him in dark of our chain of command and operations principles. He'll find out something that'll freak him out of his tiny smurf mind. We'll promote him as the master of recaf and keep him out of the way.

>>25439645
>Be aware that an ASIS trained ork kommando unit was an option during force creation.

..... .... . i need to go read the original thread.
we DIDN'T take the green shadow?
WHYEVER NOT?!

Its like teenage mutant ninja orkturtles meets BATMAN

>>25440930
As it shouldn't, don't let the autists who can't read wear you down OP, you're doing great job!

>>25440915

Well, there were pros and cons. I myself was among first who suggested pursuing the Orks back to their origin, but in the heat of battle it went to oblivion. I'm pretty sure it could have been done in a way that would not offend the noble Captain. But it's in the past now. I'm sure we'll manage to find the Orks on our own, and will not have troops fatigued by a defensive fight during our counteroffensive to boot.

>>25440889
Begin with how the Knights deploy and move at the tactical level, and our squad tactics. Then he can inform us how the Ultramarines would do it.
We don't know much about each other, so we should start on a topic we're both professionals in.
Also, since he'll be in our squad, it's important that he learns how we fight so he can integrate into the squad without too much trouble.

>>25440842
I think in the RPG's that past a certain point on the quality scale plasma guns stop blowing up

>>25440937
We'll show him our Dark Age coffee maker, it'll keep him occupied for hours :D

>>25440938

I don't think leaving a trail of Ork spores on every world we visit is the best way to earn goodwill outside the Aprior sector

>>25440915
>it was just short-sighted decision
No, not shooting them would have been short-sighted, as it would have meant gaining short-term advantage (finding the Ork tunnels) while losing long-term advantage(amicable relationship with the Ultramarines).

>>25440079
>NO TO THE BLUEPRINTS! You fucking retard, I bet if you were Anne Frank you'd invite Nazis to celebrate Hanukkah. That's how stupid you currently are.

What if we offer to trade for something suitably valuable?
Terminator armor, perhaps?

Just think what the adeptus aprior could do with those. Especially when they start *upgrading* it.
There was an ultramarine special character who could do interesting things, like mount a plasmagun in a terminator slot, and gave all his squad better weapon/wargear options

Reasonable Marines don't really seem to have a lot of terminator armor that i've seen fielded in quests and/or storytimes.

Don't deny transfering useful technology.
Instead, be Reasonable. Think of the Price.

>>25440990
Send marines to search the Ork tunnels.

>>25441033
We already asked Adonis to send Scout Marines to look for the tunnels.
And our own Knights need to re-arm while the Ultramarines are fresh.

So your suggestion is both redundant and not good.

>>25440111
>Steel Rain
>STEHL RHEN

anyways, just popping in to say hi storm raven. unfortunately i have work today, so no quest for me.

>>25440861
>Second edition fluff has been overwritten by the most current fluff, peon.

Warhammer fluff is itself a series of contradictions.
hell, even the rules.

I loved when the Spaz Marine books nerfed las/plas razorbacks out of existence.
And then the IA books let them take them anyway. And also had that clause about not needing permission.

the point I'm making is that old rules are not necessarily bad rules, or forgotten entirely when you're not playing by the book. Which we're not, because this is essentially a freeform ruleset in a borrowed setting.

Turn the 40kid down from eleven, bro. We're all in this hobby together.

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>>25441064
forgot my pic

>>25440972
>I don't think leaving a trail of Ork spores on every world we visit is the best way to earn goodwill outside the Aprior sector

Hrmn. That is a fair point. Even if they are ninja spores?

>>25440889
>>25440957

You look over to Lykos, who seems content in examining the interior of the thunderhawk, mostly perusing the omnipresent tactical data on the pict displays about the cabin.

"Brother Lykos, I appreciate you joining my squad while we are here, but before we enter battle together I believe it necessary to familiarize you with our ways and tactics."

Lykos leans over and gives you his attention.

"I noticed that you fought with your sword a great deal in the battle at the fort, while your skills are commendable, be advised that the Knights Inductor prefer to fight at long range, only closing to melee when needed."

Lykos cocks his head.

"A good power sword in the right place can do a lot of damage, this blade has seen me through more battles than I can count."

"Perhaps," you respond, "But we prefer to fight out of our enemies arms' range, rest assured that I am sure that the orks will give you plenty of chances to use your sword."

"Oh, I'm sure of that." Lykos nods.

Lykos looks about to the men surrounding him, comparing their dull camouflaged armor to his own shining suit.

"I see that you seem to have issues with displaying yourselves, do you even have chapter colors?"

"Burnished ceramite and blue," you respond, "But in the field we hide ourselves where possible, best for the enemy to not know of the danger until it is too late to defend themselves."

Lykos makes a noncommittal noise and leans back.

>>25440972
Assume that some Aprior wizardry has solved the spore problem, I thought of that too but let's not let this one detail unravel a fairly significant part of Knight fluff.

>>25441064
Sorry to hear that, thanks for dropping by.

STEHL RHEN indeed.

>>25441057
Scouts aren't as heavily armored as regular marines, they're poor at tunnel fighting. That's the same reason why you send terminators on space hulks, not scouts. Don't you know anything about the setting, child?

>>25441066
Which is why the latest fluff supersedes the older fluff, peon. Shut up and try to pretend to be less butthurt.

>>25441085
>Lykos makes a noncommittal noise and leans back.

"You disapprove?" Take a guess, draw him out, invite him to respond.

>>25441085
Get some proper marines to scout the tunnels, with power armor. They're far superior in close quarter combat to marine scouts. Also put Lykos in some desk job so he's out of the way. He can read through our scroll of heroes or something, just as long as he's kept in the dark of our operations. Maybe he could make us some fine smurf coffee?

>>25441085
"I see that your Chapter colors and feats are prominently displayed. No doubt to instill fear in your enemies at your prowess and the reputation of your Chapter, and to rally your battle-brothers and allies in battle. Is this correct?
"We of the Knights instill fear in our enemies in our way, by making them fear the possibility of our presence. If they cannot see us, they know not what direction we strike from, and they never know when they are safe.
"How extensively have you worked with the Guard, Brother Lykos?"

>>25441124
"You disapprove?"

"The Astartes are the Emperor's fury, the living promise of his just retribution, we are meant to be seen and feared, how are we to inspire fear in the enemy if the enemy does not even know of our presence?"

You think on your response for a moment.

"I understand your view, but I have found that defeating the enemy with a minimum of force is more useful than any amount of intimidation."

You lean in.

"And trust me, the only thing scarier than a space marine charging straight at you, is the one you can't see right behind you."

Lykos shrugs and sort of nods.

"I see I have a lot to learn about you Knights."

Response? Or continue on?

>>25441157
Remember that I said the orks emerged from off the sat grid, Kalec is working on finding possible emergence points.

>>25441120
Sorry, I failed my Ward save. It doesn't Matt er any more.

Bro, i'm chill as the beer in my cooler.

You, on the other hand, keep tossing insults around, the word butthurt, and calling people fags.
Its like you're trying to shove your one unique view on the 40k universe down everyone's throats, as laid out by the books.

And yet, the very nature of this quest diverges the canon into fanfiction.

So.
No. I won't shut up. I'll keep pointing out fluff inconsistencies, like kaldor draigo falling to slannesh and yet at the same time being able to be fielded by grey knights. In the same game, even!

OOh! Or what about when eldrad died but was still a playable character!

Fluff writers can't keep their own shit straight. Why whould we? Its only fitting we follow their example.