>>25162842
I was thinking of getting rid of John, but it doesn't seem right, man. He's obviously got something for Monster, and doesn't even have a wish!
There is, however, the dilemma of making Monster "powerful."
I'm gonna wait a bit before I make my decision...

>>25162842
>[X]Warn John and Tomoko
We don't betray our allies.

>>25162842
>[]Use this opportunity to eliminate John

Since we've dealt with the Archer problem we don't particularly NEED him as an ally anymore, so we may as well get the betrayal train rolling.

On a slightly less important note, can we ask John for his leyline so that we can increase the power of one of our generators? But only if it can give enough power... Can it?

>>25162980
Enough power to fulfill Monster's wish, I mean.

>>25162952
>we may as well get the betrayal train rolling.
There is a significant chance that Assassin is watching us right now. We will die as soon as she thinks we are a threat to her master.

I thought we were all on board with keep Tomoko as our ally.

Hell, this might actually be an attempt to get us to help kill Monster before turning on us.

>>25162991
A single leyline alone could not sustain a Servant without a Grail. Even with your current generators, the Servant would have to be incredibly conservative, likely spend weeks or months sleeping if it wanted to be anything beyond get up and move around active.

>>25163000
I don't particularly see how stabbing John in the back would affect our alliance with Tomoko.

Sure SHE might have some issues with it morally, but its Assassin we have to keep happy. Our alliance with Team Monster has been tenuous at best since it was built on vague promises and the fear of a threat we've since eliminated, so I doubt Assassin would bat an eye at us murderizing them.

>>25162991
Did Monster ever tell us what her wish actually is? We should use the good will that not betraying her nets us to determine how we can help her fulfill it.

>>25162842
>[]Warn John and Tomoko

We don't backstab. We frontstab, and now is not the time.

>>25163084
>I fail to see how backstabbing one ally would make another ally nervous
At the very worst, we should let Tomoko know and try to surreptitiously she if she wants to warn Monster and John or kill them.

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>>25163064
Thanks for the info.
[X]Warn John and Tomoko
Somehow, I feel like betrayal could end with Rook coming back and wrecking our shit...
>>25163106
Her wish was to be powerful. and she is VERY stealth based. and Puella Magi's elements are based on their wishes.

>>25163189
I thought her wish was to save her people or something and that she merely needed power as the best means of accomplishing that?

>>25162842
>[]Warn John and Tomoko

I'd rather keep the frenemy we know than take our chances with the enemy we don't.

>>25163255
As I recall it was something like that, yeah.

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>>25163255
Her wish would still probably GIVE her that power she needs. Either she has the potential to have this power, or she burns out due to power overload... or gets MAD WITH POWER AND WITCHES OUT INSTANTLY

>>25163255
From the 3rd thread:
>"I'm doing it for her, really." He answers calmly, jerking his thumb up into the shadows.
>"I'm doing it for my people. My Master, my family, my home. I want to help them all. Watch over them all." Monster replies from above, "I either need the grail for my Incarnation, or an immense source of power. If you can provide us with either of those you would have our alliance."

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>>25163298
I recognize that artist

>>25163305
So we just need enough mana to keep her alive? Shit, Rin and Shirou could keep Saber alive all on their lonesome. It should be exceptionally easy to whip up some mana generators to keep her alive.

You flip your phone out and give John a quick call.

"Rook," He says, picking up on the second ring.

"Archer. Listen, Another Master is trying to set up a trap to deal with Monster and Assassin using me and Caster. Nicolas feels we can use this opportunity to turn the trap around on them." You inform him. You hear him curse softly on the other end.

"Alright, thanks for that. I'll be sure to let Monster know. Bye." He says, hanging up quickly. You're a little surprised at the abrupt end to the call, but shrug and make your way back to your current hideout dialing Tomoko as you go.

"Mega Man reporting in!" She greets excitedly.

"Tomoko. Be careful tonight. Another Master is planning a trap with 'Archer' to try and eliminate Monster and Assassin." You advise her.

"Right. I'll have her stay on full alert then, and conserve my MP." She replies, suddenly coldly serious.

"Good. We'll meet up later tonight." You tell her before you both hang up as you arrive at your hideout. You've got a bit of time to either rest up or experiment. Or you could look into identifying some of the Servants you have been exposed to.

[]Rest
[]Experiment(With what?)
[]Research Servants[DC50]
[]Write in

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>>25163338
I recognize a man with good taste.
>>25163341
This. What do we need to make Generators?

>>25163341
The problem isn't in being able to move about like an ordinary person, the problem is building her reserves enough that she isn't restricted from her abilities. As well, they were in an area suited for the grail with 4 leylines accessible and channeling in for the purpose of running the grail and its servants.

Rolled 7

>>25163370
>[X]Research Servants [DC50]

Rolled 48

>>25163370
RESEARCH!!!!!

Rolled 25

>>25163370
>[X]Research Servants[DC50]

>>25163341
I'm pretty sure the fact that Saber already had a physical body and hadn't died yet was a major factor in their ability to do that. Remember that she wasn't a traditional Heroic Spirit, since instead of being summoned in spirit form from the Throne of Heroes, she was actually just being catapulted through time in order to take part in the Grail War.

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>>25163370
[X]Research Servants[DC50]
I FEEL LIKE A LUCKY MASTER TONIGHT!

Rolled 46

>>25163463
goddamit

>>25163405
How many of our normal mana generators would that require? How difficult are they to construct in terms of resources?

Can we clarify with Kyubey how much control he would have over Monster if he contracts with her?

Rolled 70

>>25163370
>[]Research Servants[DC50]

Are we a bad enough dude to figure out the Saber is totally Musashi?

Rolled 34

>>25163375
Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't quite think that's going to be Rider.
From Thread 4:
>And there's been sightings of a ship suspected to be involved with a recent case of piracy off the shore in the pacific.
More likely than not this is Rider.
>>25163370
Hell, research. Let's see if I can salvage this with a final roll.

>>25163460
She was still a being of mana just like a regular servant. She still drained mana just to exist, and her own naturally large capacity was what enabled her to be so active prior to sexing up Shirou.

>>25163489
>Can we clarify with Kyubey how much control he would have over Monster if he contracts with her?

All I know is that he thought it was a really bad idea. When Coobs decides making a Contract with what would obviously be a VERY powerful magical girl is a bad idea, you know its probably a really fucking bad idea.

>>25163533
I thought that he merely said that it was unpredictable.

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the bigger the ride...

Eh, what the hell. I might as well be the archive diver for now.
>>25163555
Thread 3:
>~I may be able to force a Contract, however I cannot guarantee that it will give her the full effect she's looking for.~ Caster warns you.
Thread 4:
>~As well, I can confirm that I can grant Monster her wish. But it may have unintended side effects that I cannot predict, both due to her nature as a Servant and due to her inhuman nature. I would not be comfortable granting such a wish, but if you request it, I shall grant it.~

We need to talk to Rook as ourselves and figure out how he wants to play the reverse ambush. I'm not comfortable at all with his abrupt hang-up.

>>25163410
>>25163412
>>25163460
>>25163478
>>25163490
>>25163495

Guys, I think our brain is busted.

You spend much of your time poring over various books in libraries and using the internet trying to find out who the various servants might be. Saber seems to come together pretty quickly as Oda Nobunaga since he's a Samurai and he has to be famous to be a Servant. Assassin, however is being incredibly frustrating to identify, but you think you've made some leaps forward with Monster. More than likely, she's not going to be associated with someone pure and heroic. Probably somewhat demonic. And if she has people she was protecting, that narrows it down even further and you saw spider like traits in her fight with Archer. You have a strong suspicion that she either is or is related to the Kashikobuchi Jorogumo. The demons were known for the stealth and trickery, and it would explain the abundance of water in the school when you returned there. You do, however, have difficulty in finding out if she actually has a name, or confirming that it is her. But for now, you probably ought to get ready for your trap.

[]Arrive as early as possible
[]Arrive exactly on time
[]Show up a little late, make some last minute preperations
[]Write in

>>25163625
That's who I was thinking, but all we have to go on is "piracy"
For all we know it could be Edward Teach, Dread Pirate Roberts, Henry Every, or goddamned Captain Jack Sparrow.

>>25163750
>[]Arrive exactly on time

Punctuality is important!

>>25163750
>[X]Write in
>Show up a little early
>Contact Rook- figure out how he wants to play it
>Contact Tomoko- Let's make sure Assassin is there and ready to take out Monster or the enemy master depending on how things go

>>25163814
This. Gotta set this counter trap up. UNLESS THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT THE RICH BITCH WANTED ALL ALONG

>>25163851
She was conspiring with Rook, to see if he could trust us. he can

>>25163814
Putting my vote toward this

>>25163893
If she's with Rook, we're with Rook, Tomoko's with us, then we've got more than half of the living Masters on our side. That can't mean anything good, can it? Especially not if she's actually got a wish. I'm not too sure that Rook will side with us. We really need to make sure that Assassin is around and ready to insta-gib Monster if this gets nasty.

>>25163750
>Saber seems to come together pretty quickly as Oda Nobunaga

Nicholas, Nicholas please. Nobunaga wasn't especially known for his swordsmanship, at least not any more than your average Sengoku period warlord. Thats a bad assumption and you should feel bad. Such is life when we can't roll above 50 on a d100

Plus, there is only one version of Nobunaga fabulous enough to take part in a Grail War, and this Saber is most certainly NOT him.
http://www.youtu.be.com/watch?v=DgUqq2SbCqM

Your phone buzzes with a text from Marianne on where to meet her. You forward the text to Tomoko with a request to make sure Assassin is on watch. With that taken care of, you call John up.

"I can't find her. She's already gone out on patrol, and hasn't been answering any of my attempts to call her. I've sent her a message with your warning, but..." John answers, sounding a little confused. This is a worry development, but maybe Monster is laying low to avoid being caught?

[]Trust John and Monster
[]Call this off, now
[]Write in

>>25164067
SHIT. Monster sure as hell DOESN'T trust us.
[X]Write in
Quickly ask if Monster said anything that hinted distrust to us.

>>25164067
Can we have Kyubey watch this go down with the Myr, have him relay info to Sayaka, and have Sayaka relay info to John as this goes down? That way he can use a command seal if she goes after us or she is in danger of imminent death. And that way Sayaka can gut him if he tries to cross us.

>>25164172
Caster's telepathic range will not extend that far, sorry. There's a reason they had to call Mami instead of using telepathy.

>>25164204
What if we give Caster/Sayaka our phone?

>>25164067
>[X]Trust John and Monster

I doubt John is trying to backstab us here, since he has no way to predict how we'll react to what he just said, and an unpredictable plan is generally a bad one when you're trying to set someone up.

>>25164281
I got to agree with this guy. Putting a vote a toward trusting John and Monster

>>25164281
Monster's the worrying one. She might not know what's going on.

>>25164269
>Coobie trying to operate a cell phone
That mental image is more adorable than it has any right to be.

>>25164067
>[]Trust John and Monster

If a problem comes up we'll deal with it. If Monster goes rogue then Assassin can gank her and we don't even have to feel guilty about it.

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"Well, I trust you two. I'm headed there now." You tell him.

"Good luck." He replies before hanging up. You meander into the area of the park and see Marianne waiting there with a figure standing off to one side in the shadow of a tree. Next to Marianne herself is a man clad in green that it almost takes you a minute to place, but when you do you find yourself at a slight loss of words.

"Archer, good to see you could make it in time. I would like you to meet two Servants who have agreed to help me in this endeavor, Hero and Villain." Marianne greets, gesturing first to the green clad man and then to the insect clad figure. You incline your head in greeting and Hero nods in acknowledgement. Villain seems to merely ignore you.

"And the final piece of the puzzle, Monster." A familiar voice says from behind you and you manage to twist out of the way as Monster attempts to grab you. Immediately Assassin appears in front of you, fog spilling out of a lantern on her belt as she stabs at Monster who deftly dodges. Hero has drawn his sword and shield and Villain seems to burst into insects as Marianne laughs.

[]???

Wiseup! Status Sheet updated!

>>25164729
AW SHIT SON. WE GOT LINK AS... Hero?
I haven't played the newer LoZ game, so who is the Villain?
Anyways, we should probably use that Command Seal and bring out Sayaka; hell, maybe even Candeloro, and store the Souls of the Heroes so that QB can become THE VESSEL

>>25164729
Get the Caster Cavalry up in here.

Sayaka goes after Hero, Candeloro goes after Villain.

If we can break away to a safe distance try to call John and get him to Command Seal Monster back to him. We aren't responsible for what Assassin does to her otherwise.
On another note, the Servant roster is now Caster, Assassin, Saber, Archer, Monster, Hero, and Villain. That accounts for all 7, assuming we're still operating under the standard 7-Servant cap. That would mean that Lancer, Rider, and Berserker won't be making appearances.

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>>25164729
Christ's tits why Monster why?

>>25164905
i give it even odds that we have like fifty hero slots or something, just for shits and giggles

>>25164729
Do we have any access to Archerko's combat abilities? If not, then we should probably hoof it. We don't know shit about close combat, and we're in the presence of three(!?!?!?) enemy servants. Tell Assassin to book it as well. If we have to, I think we're better off letting this body expire while simultaneously sending Sayaka to John's hide-out.

>>25164959
Her body is both stronger and faster than your own, and you can feel her own abilities lurking beneath the surface. You're fairly certain you can activate most of them.

>>25164983
Let's burn a command seal, tell Caster that he has free reign to aid you in any and all possible manners but that he also has to ensure that some unknown element isn't about to punk Tomoko.

If we can UBW, then pop that motherfucker and start hurling swords at Hero and Marianne. If we can't go full UBW, then just settle for shooting swords Gilgamesh style.

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>>25164729
It is time we showed them the power of QB. We're in a corner here, we must show them why we are not to be fucked with. Meguca Army of the King is a GO! Let's see you laugh when you face an army Bitch!

>>25164983
Villian
Alignment: neutral good.
waht.
in other news voting for the GTFO. everyone here means that we're kinda gonna get screwed

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>>25164983
If we survive this, we gotta do a little weapon mimicry session.
>>25165026
Now is not the time to fantasize. NOW IS THE TIME TO BE LESQUED.
I suggest rider.

>>25164983
I feel having us do what we can to support along with : >>25164905 is the best course of actions at the moment.

>>25164729
Fucking Monster. Oh well, Monster is a girl and it's nighttime. That means she stands no chance against Jack, at least she'll die for this betrayal. We can take comfort in that.

>>25164905
Going for this, and hope we don't have to burn a CS to save our asses.

"Caster! Do what you must to win!" You order as Candeloro forms behind you and launches herself towards Villain. Sayaka materializes from where you had thought Caster was, and she swings at Hero who deftly blocks with his shield. You turn to Marianne but she's already gone by the time you can see where she had been. You reach for your phone in your pocket but jerk as several bees stings your hand, causing you to drop the phone. A swam of insects cover it and carry it towards Villain whom Candeloro is failing to capture as the Servant keeps turning into a swarm of bugs whenever she is caught and stinging your ally. As the fog is over taking you, you hear Assassin whispering. "Maria the-"

"Kashikobuchi! Waiting in the Water's Shadow!" Monster growls as a torrent of water and darkness spreads out from her feet, knocking you off your feet. You hear an angry buzz from the direction of Villain and you hear Assassin curse as she gets swept up slightly in the current and collides with you. You're now blinded, in the dark, and you can feel something in the water with you. But now you know for certain that Monster is the Jorogumo.

[]???

>>25165179
Well, I'm hoping that with Assassin in her best possible murder condition, she can take Monster. Archerko is capable of a hilarious amount of damage if we can actually use her abilities, and we've got multiple servants incoming. I'm hoping that we can kill at least one or two of these enemies.

I really just hope we get Monster. I don't want to have to go root her out of her leyline. We'll probably kill John either way.

>>25165213
I think Villain might be that one bee nigga from some anime about vampire.
Can't remember it's name right now, though.

Wiseup! Status Sheet updated

>>25165179
>>25165086
By Caster Cavalry he meant summon a bunch of expendable megucas we have no intention of maintaining right? Because we need an army, or at least 5 or 6 more megucas. Delusional Illusion wasn't a bad phantasm, if we can only manage that level of power we're still in a very good spot power-wise.

>>25165213
Our only hope is to go for reality marble materialization. That will blow away the water and put monster out in the open to get sworded to death. Sorry Rook, she tried to kill us. We do what we have to to survive. We told you to keep your servant on a short leash and you didn't listen. Fool.

>>25165262
We can counter that shit with Candeloro's Barrier.
She can control where her realm touches with the real world, right?

>>25165307
Yes. So she can make a small entrance somewhere in the area, but she cannot drag everyone into it.

>>25165213
Why the hell did we go for a phone in a combat situation?

>>25165329
Trying to contact John while it seemed like everyone was occupied.

Maybe tell Monster that if she and John are still in an alliance with us she should head back? Monster might not be in the know and could be that presence we felt watching us

>>25165213
>But now you know for certain that Monster is the Jorogumo.
Project a tree stump.

>>25165262
Monster's stats:
>STR: C
>END: C
>AGI: A
>MAG: A+
>LUK: A+
>NP: C+

Class Abilities:
Presence Concealment A
???

Skills:
>Independent Action C
>Territory Creation B
>Divinity Rank EX
>Monstrous Nature A
>Monstrous Strength A

Noble Phantasms:
>Kashikobuchi: Waiting in Water's Shadow C+[Bounded Field]
>The ability to bring her home to her, Monster floods an area with water and smothers it in darkness, making it like her waterfall home. Here, she is the master of her domain able to navigate it effortlessly while impeding the opponent.
>EX Divinity Oh god what? Gilgamesh was 2/3 god and he had A+. In order to have EX divinity you'd have to be a god, and you can't summon gods with the grail! But hey, what's a broken rule or two in a Grail War?

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>>25165383
see pic
>>25165373
>TELL ROOK TO USE A FUCKING SEAL.

>>25165425
EX merely means it is unable to be quantified. In some interpretations, she is a goddess. In others, merely a demon who receives worship. These conflicting parts of her story lead to a non quantifiable level of divinity. Or, that's at least what you know as Nicolas.

>>25165383
That legend is what gave her this bounded field. That might do something, but I'd rather go for either candeloro's barrier (access to familiars, though we'd have to bait our enemies into it to make it really work) or Archerko's Reality Marble (likely a high DC, but if we manage it we fucking win this shit easy. Link can't take a bladestorm, Caladbold'd blow up his bees, loose enough of the swarm and he dies. And Monster would eat Holy Mother of Dismemberment.)

>>25165213
>Project a relevant item: Moses' Staff, Poseidon's Trident, etc.
or
>Activate UBW

We need to deal with the water. If we can't, then we should abandon this body and get Tomoko to recall Assassin while we recall our party with a CS.

So, do we have a vague consensus for a plan?

>>25165540
That's actually a good idea. The question is whether or not those items exist within UBW. For technically, all he has is everything that's inside "Gate of Babylon". Anything that isn't had to be encountered in life somehow (eg. Jewel Sword of Zelretch).

If they do that's the easier option. If not we must go for full activation.

>>25165610
Remember, we have Archer's full suite of blades, not Shirou's. Archer spent an entire lifetime fighting and adding blades to his arsenal. Shit, he might even have more than single lifetimes if the blades somehow get preserved in-between summonings.

For the bee man, could it be Fritz von Meyer, the Spider-man villian?

>>25165609
Do we actually have a reasonable chance at manifesting UBW, or is that outside our capabilities?

If yes, then we should do that. Because fuck you Monster. If no, well, I'll have to keep thinking because this situation is pretty fucked.

>>25165669
You think you might. You don't know how mana intensive it is, and you've never had to practice in projecting a Reality Marble before, but you know the basics.

>>25165459
I figure if that's what you were going for, it's probably better to represent it with "???" like you've done with all other unverified stats/abilities.

>>25165486
The point of the stump is that in the versions of the legend involving it, the stump is what she mistakenly drags away under water rather than her intended target. It's less about the fact that it's an element of the legend as it is the fact that it'd be a mythologically resonant decoy.

It'd be like if we were trying to combat Balder by using mistletoe, or Cú Chulainn by sneaking him dog meat. (Albeit not as much of an instant I Win button as either of those would be.)

A weakness that is canonized by virtue of being part of the legend itself is generally going to be waaaay more efficient pound-for-pound than one that is just conceived out of general combat experience.

That said, it might very well not work at ALL, seeing as the tree stump ruse working was only due to an error on the part of the jorogumo, rather than a weakness enforced by an outside power. Could very well be that she'd just go "Oh, not falling for THAT one again. Seriously, it's almost cute that you thought this would work."

Other possible identities for Bee Man: The Pain from MGS3, Man of Bees from Kingdom of Loathing, Dokubachi.

>>25165789
>The Pain from MGS3

And monster provided us with a convenient pool of water! Thanks Monster!

>>25165777
That's actually a legitimate interpretation of the EX rank in F/SN. It doesn't necessarily connote an extremely high rank. Is there a precedent for an ??? rank skill?

>>25165697
Let's fucking do it. It's really our best shot in this situation. Do that, then perforate Hero with swords.

>>25165697
Fuck it, lets try it. Its that or get chewed on by Monster.

It'll probably lead to us burning out and losing Archer's body, since it does use a fuckton of mana, but if we drop an enemy Servant or two I'll take the trade.

>>25165835
You mean perforate everyone who isn't on our side with swords. UBW is termed "unlimited" for a reason.

Though I would say we just crucify Monster and order Rook to burn a Command Seal saying "You will never harm Nicolas in any way" if we do manage a full activation. How do we get him to do that? Simple, we tell him we pierce her heart, cut off her head, and mince the remainder of the corpse if he doesn't. We'd hold all the cards in that situation and he loves her, he'd do it to save her. We'd pull a Malcom Reynolds. We do the job, and then we get paid, at gunpoint if need be.

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just gonna say, if this link has Z-targeting, we can't hit him if he puts up his shield.

>>25165921
Bee-man will be difficult to hit without grabbing a fire-based phantasm and activating it, which will burn a fuckton of mana.

We shouldn't risk trying to take her alive. While I still say prioritize Hero perforation, if we gun for Monster, we gun to kill. Just be careful not to hit Assassin

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>>25165961
Oh god in heaven, he's probably got Protection from Arrows at like A rank while he's got the shield up or some shit like that.

>>25165961
That only works if it's a single enemy, or that we can't get anything behind or beside him. If UBW fully activates, we can get him from all angles. He can't defend against such an attack. He'd be fucked.

>>25165989
Not really. UBW reduces mana cost for most anything to virtually nil. If the Phantasm is fire based, it's mana cost would likewise be reduced. The only real cost is that it is of one full rank lower strength than the "real thing".

>>25166021
Also, just thought of something. We project Gae Bolg. No matter where we thrust, it always pierces the heart, because it has ALREADY pierced their heart. It is literally an attack that cannot fail to hit the target unless it has godly luck like Saber did.

Sadly, it won't instafuck monster as she has said luck. But it'd instafuck most anyone else here.

>>25166021
>UBW reduces mana cost for most anything to virtually nil.

True. We probably aren't going to be able to keep it active for very long though since UBW itself is highly mana intensive, so our biggest obstacle is going to be the indeterminate time limit before we run dry.

>>25166016
Can't block arrows from all directions, and at least a few of the NP's that we hurl at him will be of high enough rank to blow through that.

>>25166075
We might not know of Gay Bulge. I'm thinking for individual weapons, we might just have to try projecting something that fits what we want and hope that that works. Otherwise, we could just try projecting a flamethrower. Archer has definitely seen one of those.

>>25166087
You only need a few moments of full activation to really fuck shit up if the marble is powerful. That is why it's a forbidden spell by the Magic Association. A man with a RM like "Depletion Garden" or "Unlimited Blade Works" could decimate an entire army of Executioners. Can't exactly retrieve their Crest if all the guys you sent to grab it are dead.

>>25166127
He knows of many legends and has researched previous Grail Wars. He knows about it man. Also, a flamethrower is a ranged weapon. UBW explicitly cannot copy those. Only melee weapons, or things that are almost exclusively melee weapons (because you can throw spears and such) exist within it.

>>25166180
Archer can trace ranged weapons though. He projects bows all the time.

>>25166237
Which he then uses to fire swords at people.

>>25166237
He had that bow in life. That is why he can project it. It's his/hers, so of course he/she has access to it. In truth he never had to project it, it was something he/she always had on their person.

You begin to pump mana through this body's foreign circuits, trying to push them deep into yourself to root out what you can feel is something embedded deep within you. "I am the bone of my sword." You begin, reciting what you can remember of Archer's activation phrase. You grunt as you get jerked by your feet and are pulled into the water when someone manages to grab you. Probably Assassin judging by their size.

"Archer...not yet." You hear Tomoko's voice whisper.

"What are you doing here?" You hiss.

"Killing Monster. I've got her taken care of if you can handle Hero." Tomoko replies softly, her voice fading as she moves away from you. You feel the shadows themselves moving and pushing you, helping you stand in the water.

"Steel is my Body, Fire is my Blood." You continue, the fire deep inside you beginning to burn even more. Something nicks your face and so you begin to move in a semicircular fashion, tendrils of shadow pushing and guiding you, "I have known Death, and I have met Life." You add, ignoring Monster as she unleashes a pained scream, "Through my pain, I have created many weapons." You mumble as someone lands in the water next to you, "And so, these hands will never claim any." Your voice begins to raise as you prepare to finish the incantation, the furnace within you glowing red hot and pulling on your reserves with greater speed than you could feed it yourself.

[DC75 UBW Check]

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>>25166290
OH BOY HERE WE GO

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>>25166290
C'mon Dice, I know you hate us. But just this once, work!

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>>25166290
NOT GOING TO END WELL- NO JUTSU!

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>>25166290
I am the sword of my sword.

sword is my body, and sword is my blood.

sword sword sword, swords sword sword.

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>>25166290
Will this be the one time we actually succeed in a roll?

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>>25166319
>>25166320
>>25166331
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>>25166350
Welp, we're dead. Oh well, at least we have an extra body.

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>>25166342
>>25166331
>>25166320
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>>25166350
>still not a single roll over 50, let alone 75

>>25166369
My money's on us exploding into swords.

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Our luck.

>>25166390
If that injures our enemies then fine. Not if it injures our allies. One's death should count if they can help it.

>>25166390
That will at least surprise the enemy.

"So as I pray, Unlimited Blade-HRK" You cry, your voice suddenly cut off as pain shoots through your body as your skin seems to blacken and char. Your bones creak and stiffen and you let out a howling scream that sounds like metal on metal. You find yourself split for several intense moments between your body in the warehouse, also screaming, and Archer's body.

"Archer!" You hear Tomoko cry, and then she suddenly screams.

"Tomoko!" Assassin adds. There's an angry buzz, and Assassin curses as you fall to your knees. The darkness begins to fade and you see Hero stalking towards you with his shield out. Assassin is bound tightly in silver cord with Villain standing over them and Tomoko, Monster standing between. Tomoko's face is bleeding and Assassin is practically frothing at the mouth, trying to crawl closer to Monster. Your flesh is blackened and burned and molten metal is dripping from your wounds. Underneath your skin you can see interlocking scales of blades. Tomoko gasps upon seeing you as Hero raises his sword high above your head.

[DC50 Tomoko Magic Check]

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>>25166454
TOMOKO, YOU CAN DO IT!

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>>25166454
YES WE ARE SAVED

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>>25166454
What else can go wrong?

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>>25166454
>If only the OST for Suisei no Gargantia was up. The song at the end of the first episode would so fit here.

Damn you dice damn you. C'mon Tomoko, fire it off in our stead. Unleash the power of UBW. Make them rue the day they betrayed us!

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>>25166454
>Assassin fails to kill a female opponent at night with master supporting her
>our own servant does absolutely fucking nothing (is apparently so irrelevant that he isn't even described)
>we fail a roll spectacularly
Based on mana drain, John must know Monster is fighting. If we survive this, I vote for turning him into another body.

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>>25166454
Tomoko, are you a bad enough chick to save your wildly incompetent mentor?

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>>25166523
Yes. Writing now.

>>25166522
>our own servant does absolutely fucking nothing (is apparently so irrelevant that he isn't even described)

To be fair, we were already aware that in actual combat he is exactly as effective as you would expect a cat made of marshmallows to be.

>>25166556
He himself is, but his meguca's aren't. He should just be summoning new ones as soon as one of the two falls. Hell, in this situation he should be witching them out too.

>>25166454
Looks like we gained enough affection points with her to make her care about our fate. If she saves us the romancing her path is pretty much assured.

>>25166556
The meguca he could summon can though. If he really thought all was about to be lost he'd summon Homura. "Time Stop" is so broken a power it isn't funny. She could have won this easy, but again, he's saving her. She's his ultimate trump card that he is holding in reserve. In the event we come upon a situation where we are well and truly fucked he WILL summon her. And we will likely win that one engagement at least.

>>25166601
Right now isn't a well and truly fucked situation? Every other time Tomoko has manifested her power, it's gone extremely poorly. For all he knows, she just explode herself into swords if she tries anything.

>>25166675
We may be fucked, but we are using our expendable body. And we can just find another body afterwards. It's our own little trump card, and QB used it all the time.

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"Friends...my friends. Don't touch my FRIENDS!" Tomoko yelled, squirming in her bonds as shadows lurched out from under her and swelled up and around everyone as buildings of dark stone and metal sprout around you. Hanging in the sky is a blood red moon and the streets are slick with blood. "The City Sunken Rises!" She screamed as pools of blood and shadow began to stand taking familiar forms. A man dressed much like Hero manages to block the attack from hitting you. Next to Monster a bloody and dark woman much the same as her lashes out at her. In the sky, you see two swarms of bugs merging into one, with more bugs rising from the blood and shadows around you. Next Tomoko a bloody version of Archer's body appears and cuts her and Assassin free. They quickly rush over to you.

"Leave...We...need...to leave." You rasp out. She nods and the bloody version of your current body gently scoops you up as Tomoko and Assassin run over to Candeloro and Saber where they are down. Saber seems to be recovering, albeit slowly, while Candeloro seems slower to heal. After Tomoko whispers something to them, they both fade into spiritual form. Tomoko glances back into the city where the enemy servants are constantly being blocked by their blood shadow duplicates.

"Assassin. Make sure Monster stays dead." She ordered.

"Yes, Master." She mumbles, disappearing as the streets begin to fill with fog. Tomoko leads you and your bloody shadow away. Once the fog has built, Monster lets out a gut wrenching scream. As it fades into sobbing there's another scream and another until finally silence. Shortly afterwards Assassin reappears covered in blood and holding a heart. With one last forlorn glance from Tomoko the city fades and Assassin leads you out through the fog. Your bloody duplicate carries you back to the warehouse and then collapses into a pool of blood on the floor and Tomoko collapses into bed with you, panting from exhaustion.

[]???

>>25166675
If we die here, all we lose is our hijacked Archer body and maybe Assassin. A loss here would hurt us tactically, but we're not in imminent danger of losing the War.

Also, I'm guessing the reason he won't summon Homura except as a last resort is because after she deals with the immediate threat, she'll try to fucking kill him. Otherwise he could have summoned her already and be using her to win every fight.

>>25166751
Thank Tomoko, something along the lines of a delirious confession of affection.

>>25166751
[ ] mana transfer
[x] genuflect

>>25166751
Warp back into our real body and let Archer recover. Tend to Tomoko and co's wounds. Have Caster go total vigilance. Profusely thank Tomoko and tell her that was damn impressive. Maybe ask if she thinks she could do it again. As soon as that is accomplished, take the stealth Myr out to the leyline. We need to tie up that loose end before he can escape.

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>>25166675
We have to have faith. Tomoko is a young, naieve girl. She likes us too by the looks of it. That adds to motivation. After all, you are more motivated to save people you know and like as compared to people you don't know at all or people you DO know and do NOT like.

We are in the first category. She knows us and likes us. Thus, she is at least somewhat motivated to save our sorry ass. Human nature, it exists. Learn its fundamental basis, belief and action based on said belief. She like us, and she believes we like her. That means saving our sorry ass is in as favorable of a position as it could ever hope to be. Let's hope she does.

>>25166751
Hahahahaha! She summoned Shadow Link and a counter swarm! That's it, we romance her from here on out. We must encourage her feelings, they grant her strength, and they both do her credit as well as strengthen us. We will use that to our advantage.

>>25166832
Agreed. We must discover if if Rook planned this, or if Monster acted of her own volition. If the former, we tell him about it. If the latter, we murder them both ASAP.

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>>25166869
Sorry, reverse that. If Monster made a play behind his back we tell him about it. If she didn't well, we paint the walls in their mutual blood. I know one thing, I NEVER forgive backstabbing!

>>25166751
We can attempt to duplicate a weapon with healing properties... I searched and suggest either Apollo's Bow(Could cause health or famine and death) or the Rod of Asclepius, the fucking god of medicine.
Also become a member of the new religion of Tomokoism

>>25166869
Monster is already dead. Frankly, Rook knew combat was going down. He could've used magic or a CS to ensure that she didn't try to betray us. We should use this as a good chance to test the Stealth Myr's combat abilities.

>we romance her from here on out.
We've been arguing that since we first met her.

>>25166907
We just turned into swords. Let's stop trying to use Archer for now.

>>25166939
We are just making Divine Tools of War here, and besides, they are just copies.

>>25166751
Switch back to our main body while Archer-body recuperates.

A thousand thank-yous to Tomoko, accompanied by a hug and hot cocoa. She went from zero magical capacity to shutting down a 5-servant melee in the space of a few days. She done good.

Put Caster on full alert in case anything tries to attack us while we're weak, and send the stealth-bot to scout out Rook and see how he's reacting to this. If Monster went rogue we don't have to kill him, he's a decent enough guy and its not his fault his Servant dun goofed behind his back.
But if he WAS in on it, oh boy will there be hell to pay. And by hell i mean Candeloro. She's probably pretty hungry after that fight.

>>25166959
Indeed. Whether or not he was in on this is the vital point of info that will determine if we let him live or kill his sorry ass like a true magus. After all, being naive and ignorant is not the same as being stupid or knowing.

>>25166869
>Agreed. We must discover if if Rook planned this, or if Monster acted of her own volition. If the former, we tell him about it. If the latter, we murder them both ASAP.
It's mostly irrelevant at this point; he will already know Monster is dead for one reason or another when he sees his command spells fade, so it's basically game over for him as far as the grail war is concerned.

That, and contacting him in a conversational capacity seems pretty difficult what with the fact that our phone is off floating in a cloud of bees somewhere.

If we're able to contact him, though, we basically have to go "Ok, jig's up. You get to tell me everything you know about Marianne Hyde and any servants she has been in contact with, or I'm going to murder you so hard the bloody pile of meat that used to be your body will have to put itself under the overseer's protection from beyond the grave."

That said, IS there an overseer for this Grail War? I know the whole grail system for this war was sort of jacked out from under the Einzberns, so I dunno if this thing is being done entirely aboveboard, so to speak.

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>>25166751
>"The City Sunken Rises!"

If we weren't already a body-hopping evil abomination, I would be terrified right now.

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>>25166927
I've only suggested we romance her if it was in our best interest. Think of me as the "Chamber" of this quest. I only suggest the most logical course of action, devoid of such things as "emotion" and "ethics". She has proven herself to have a great power that can deter multiple servants. As affection is now confirmed to be a driving force in her motivations. I logically recommend we increase the amount of affection she feels towards us. In order to ensure she continues to save us with her powers. Indeed, the ultimate goal is to have her sacrifice her own life to spare our own in the closing moments of the Grail War. She and her servant die in order to see our dream realized. We must win, and we will win. Fuck all considerations to the contrary. Though the best possible scenario is to get her to share our own wish. To fuse the Mundane with the Magic... What true nerd could say no to that?

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>>25167098
Hey Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
We are not evil.
We just got evil powers.

>>25167078
>That said, IS there an overseer for this Grail War?

I don't think we've been contacted by one, and as far as I know nobody else has mentioned it either. That points to no, although it would not surprise me if the Church showed up to impose order at some point, since there is a limit to how secret you can keep something like a Grail War. They're bound to find out eventually if it goes on long enough.

>>25167152
I dunno bro.

We know Coobs turns little girls into eldritch abominations, we've GOT one of said abominations working for us, and we've actively cultivated Tomoko's bloodsucking mega-man powers. "You are the company you keep" and all that jazz.

>>25167292
It was, technically, not our choice that these things happened. It IS our choice to use it to our advantage.

With a quick thought, you switch to your normal body and wince as even there you hurt. But you can move again, which is a vast improvement. "Tomoko. Thank you. Thank you so much." You say softly, "You too Assassin."

"You showed concern for Tomoko." She says simply.

"Nee-chan, I told you I can hold my own now." Tomoko whined as you work to make some hot cocoa. Your arms shake as you try and pour it and Assassin comes up beside you, taking the cups and pot from you and pouring them with practice. You can feel Candeloro's presence wrapping around you as Assassin stands so close to you, and then it fades as Assassin brings the tray back to the bed. You sit down next to Tomoko and Assassin as the stealthy servant hands the cups out. As you and Tomoko slowly drinking the cocoa, Assassin carefully inspects the Archer body's wounds before breaking into your small reserve of first aid supplies.

"Tomoko, are you okay? That was a rather impressive feat of magic you pulled off there." You ask her.

"I'm just...tired. Only small nicks and cuts, from when Assassin and I were trying to find Monster. Her stupid field thing blinded us both. Assassin could have killed her earlier, if we could have found her." Tomoko grumbled, "But...when I copied them like that, I learned so much more about them. Monster was tracking us in the water with spiderwebs spread through the currents. If anyone moved, she could snare them. That's how she caught us...And Villain wasn't there. Not really. Only the bugs. Hero...I didn't have enough time to grasp him."

"Don't worry too much about it." You assure her as she grumbles, "For now, just rest. Assassin and I will keep watch."

"Promise not to do anything without me?" Tomoko asks. Assassin nods, so Tomoko finishes her cocoa and immediately passes out on the bed. You stand with a sigh and glance at your familiar and give it a mental nudge. It's a bit sluggish at first but then bounds off towards where you hope John is.

[1/2]

[2/2]
"I underestimated you, Nicolas. You have my respect and my allegiance for as long as I live." Assassin begins once Tomoko is sound asleep, "Tomoko wants all of us to survive this, but I know we can't all make it. I think your wish is decent, and I'm willing to die when the time comes for someone to make that sacrifice. But...if...if you could find a way for me to stay with Tomoko. I would do anything for you." Her cold gaze pierces into you.

"Assassin..." You begin, unsure of how to respond to her sudden confession.

[]Promise her you'll do what you can
[]Thank her for her sacrifice
[]Offer to sacrifice Caster for her
[]Write in

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>>25167534
though I'm personally a-ok with caster biting a big one....
[x] promise her you'll do what you can.

leave the other option for caster's sudden but inevitable betrayal

>>25167534
[X]Promise her you'll do what you can
I>>25167582
SAVE THOSE FOR LATER YOU FOOL

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>>25167582
brb, sudoku

>>25167534
>[]Promise her you'll do what you can

Technically the Grail just needs prana to power it, not Servants specifically. Its just that Servants are by far the easiest method, since their essence naturally travels back into the Grail when they die. So if we could locate the central Grail its possible we could hack it if we had a way to gather the necessary prana.

Of course we'll probably just Command Seal gank poor Caster, since we don't trust him even a tenth as far as we could throw him. But we CANNOT say that out loud, ever. In fact, just take what I said at face value, since we probably shouldn't even be thinking it just to be safe.

>>25167534
>[X]Write In
>Assassin...I swear to you, I will protect Tomoko. That includes her onee-san. Hell, I don't think she'd forgive me if I let you sacrifice yourself.

Now, time to introduce John to our walking blender.

>>25167534
>Promise her we'll do what we can.

We have Phrana Generators. Given enough time, we can make enough to maintain her presence in this world. We can, and we will. We are of the few magi who can into magical SCIENCE! We can, and we will. Those Luddite fools will learn of the truths we have already comprehended. The Mundane and the Magic can and will find harmony. Our dream, our utopia, it will not be denied! We will advance humanity to the stars and beyond! Once our wish is granted, all will see the glory of our vision. All will see the wonders of a world where the magic and the mundane are but one and the same. For they are. All will seek the root, and all shall find it in their own way.

"Assassin, I'll do anything I can. Honestly, if it weren't for you and Tomoko I don't think I would have made it half as far as I had. You're important to Tomoko, I don't think she'd ever forgive me if I let something happen you and I didn't even try." You tell her. She blushes somewhat and looks away shyly, refocusing her attention on bandaging up Archer. You feel your familiar tugging at your attention. "Just a minute, I think I've found John." You tell her. You feel your attention snap into the metal automaton.

"She's dead." He mumbles.

"Yes." Your familiar says in its metallic voice.

"Did the trap not work was planned? Did they enemy servants kill anyone else?" He asked.

"She was the enemy Servant. She sided with Marianne." You answer coldly.

"I...I see...She probably thought it would help...I should have kept a closer eye on her....Tried harder to support her." He mumbled.

"I need any knowledge you have on Marianne." You ask him.

"I don't have anything. I didn't realize she was a Master until you told me. I...I just don't know any more." John mumbled. You let out a sigh and have your familiar return to you. You snap back to your own body with a painful shudder. Assassin has finished taking care of your Archer body. You're rather tired, but tomorrow you'll need to

[]Confront Marianne
[]Search for Hero
[]Search for Villain
[]Spend the day recuperating
[]Writing in

>>25167921
>[]Confront Marianne

I want her head on a spike. Monster may have been kind of a bitch, but poor John is heartbroken.

We can assume Villain is the creepy bug-thing that set up shop in that hotel. I'm guessing Marianne is Hero's master, since her apartment is some distance from the creepy bug hotel, and showed no evidence of evil bug infestation.

>>25167921
dangerous but so crazy it might work choice
[x] confront mary
safe option
[x] recouperate

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>>25167921
Poor Rook.... I wish there was a way we could help.

>>25168006
This. And burn the hotel for good measure.

>>25167921
Haha. So John isn't a Magus like us. Too bad for him.
>Spend the day recuperating
We must lick our wounds, make additional preparations, ect, ect...

Also, make sure he understands that you don't backstab until you are damn sure you are at the very end of a Grail War. We cannot even be sure that the 7 master limit applies. Gotta be damn sure of that before you start trying to figure out the best time of betrayal.

>Spend the day recuperating.


It sounds like Marianne and Hero and Villain came off much better than we did in that exchange, right? In which case, its better for us to marshal our strength before we retaliate.

>>25167921
[X]Spend the day recuperating

As much as I want to go murder the bitch, we came out of that fight worse off than they did i think. If we're lucky the Hero/Villain alliance will come apart since their plan backfired and Monster is dead. In any case, we can fight better on our home turf, especially since all the Servants with Presence Concealment other than Assassin are gone.

>>25167921
>Recuperate physical bodies
>Send out the stealth myr with some gasoline and a lighter
Let's take out that hotel.

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>>25168237
brilliant idea!

You spend most of the day recuperating, fading into and out of sleep for most of the day. When you finally do awaken, Sayaka and Assassin are sitting at a small card table and Caster is in Tomoko's lap being pet. Tomoko looks much better than she did the previous night and Sayaka seems to be in perfect shape. Monster manifests by you and you can see that she's still recovering, welts across all of her exposed skin. The bugs really got to her, it seems. Night will be falling again soon, and you probably ought to do something now.

[]Buff your defenses
[]Track someone down
-[]Marianne
-[]A Servant
[]Work with Tomoko on her Magic[DC60]
[]Write in

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>>25168237
I like it.

Probably won't harm him, but it'll piss him off and possibly ruin anything he was working on in there.

>>25168301
>[]Write in

"Caster, we probably want something fire-based to deal with bug boy. Got anything on tap?"

Also hook Candeloro up to one of our generators while she recovers so she isn't putting strain on QB, that should allow us to maintain a third pseudo-servant so longs as she just chills and lets the generator power her, right?

>>25168348
This.

Hero will be fairly straightforward to deal with, if annoying. Saber as well most likely.

But all we have on Villain is that he uses bugs. And bugs traditionally do not like fire.

>>25168348
Thirding this. Once that's determined:

>Have Caster supervise the Stealth Golem going out to watch Villain's hotel
>Buff our own defenses
>Have Assassin go watch Marianne's place
>Have Tomoko focus on recuperation

Reality Marbles are serious business, and we can't risk her frying any of her circuits. If she really wants to help, have her help us buff the defenses. We've already had Caster work on them once before, so we've got his alien magic. We can focus on more mundane type shit that a normal magus wouldn't bother with. Maybe use Tomoko's shadows to help conceal them.

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"Candeloro, I want you to rest today. Use the secondary generator to help speed it up. Tomoko, you also need to rest today." You tell the two. They both frown but nod. With that taken care of, you turn to Caster. "Caster. You wouldn't happen to have anyone with a bit of a fire bent available, would you?" You ask him.

~In fact, I would. I have just the Servant for dealing with Villain. She is a bit mana intensive, but so long as Candeloro is recuperating it shouldn't be too much of a problem.~ He tells you. With a minor glow, a young woman appears before you, clad in a white dress with a long brown ponytail and a katana by her side.

"Servant Caster has answered your call." She said softly, "What is it that you would have me do?"

[]???

>>25168760
Ayase Souju: the Magical Girl that collects Soul Gems...
I guess we should test her out on the hotel.

>>25168792
Utilizes Fire in her original personality and uses her second Gem to switch elements into Ice.

>>25168760
"Oh, you know the usual, groceries, clothes need to come in off the line. a bit of Arson here and there."
"Also, if you could tell me a bit bout yourself before a firefight starts, i made a bit of a mistake with one of you before and i want to make sure I don't fuck up this time."

>>25168816
>i made a bit of a mistake with one of you before and i want to make sure I don't fuck up this time."
Don't fucking tell her that. Just ask her to give you a rundown of her combat capabilities.

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>>25168453
if by hero you mean someone other than green Hylian batman yes, he will be straight forward.

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>>25168760
haha, time for BUG HUNT!

"We've got a little bug problem of the Servant variety that Caster believes you're qualified to deal with. Could you give a run-down of your abilities so I know what to expect once we get into combat?"

"Groceries, laundry, cleaning around the house. You know, the usual stuff. But first and foremost we have a bit of a bug problem and Caster says you're well suited to dealing with it. Do you mind giving me a quick run down of your abilities?" You ask her.

"Very well, Master. I am capable of both strong fire and ice magic, and can combine them to devastating effect. As well, I am also practiced in swordsmanship, though probably not enough to keep up with a Saber." She answered.

"I see. Anything esle?" You ask.

"Yes. I have two souls." She replies. Her clothes change to a red dress as she curtsies. "I am Luca. I have the same skills as my sister."

>Any last minute preparations before starting the bug hunt?

>>25169056
Let's send Sayaka with her then. Have them retreat if they encounter the actual Saber. If they run into Hero alone, try to tag-team him. If they run into Hero and Villain, try to stall Hero with Sayaka and burn down Villain.

The best bet might be to just head to the hotel and light it on fire.

Let's have Cubes follow in the Stealth Golem so we can bolster the defenses. We'll switch roles when they encounter an enemy.

>>25169104
Seconding all this.

We've got a remote viewing platform with the Golem so there really isn't a reason for us or Coobie to leave the base.

Also I was a bit leery of leaving Candeloro unsupervised in the base with Tomoko. Not that I don't trust her as much as its possible to trust a soul-devouring horror, but still.

>>25169146
Frankly, the sooner we can use Candeloro on Saber and get rid of her, the better. She's already getting antsy about Assassin being near us.

Since things seem a little slow, I'm going to call it here. We'll pick up next time with the Bug Hunt. If someone doesn't mind archiving this?

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>>25169056
Other than>>25169104
I think we're good to go.

Leaving the base? Fuck that, we Operations Director now!

>>25169243
Ahhh, she's just a wee but yandere for us, and is also an eldritch horror who wants nothing more than to consume the souls of the innocent. Nothing to worry about, nothing at all.

>>25169384
Thanks for running. I'm looking forward to next Friday.

>>25169384
Thanks for the thread!
Before I update the Ebook, does the Monstrous Nature skill do anything specific, or does it just signify she wasn't human in life?

>>25169549
Er, let me update that in the GDoc. Forgot it was a skill I had to fluff up

There, it's updated. Its similar to Monstrous Strength, just more permanent and with less of a straight up boost.

>>25169651
Thanks for the clarification, and Ebook updated: http://pastebin.com/kbGzcbDb

>>25168843
He might very well have immortality or at least multiple lives. It's part of his story.
He's also immune to fear and wields the power of the gods.
And he can pull equipment out of nowhere and produce magical songs.

Why does QB's contract power specify girls?
iirc any intelligent being with emotions can be contracted.
Using little girls is just a matter of strategy. Just like JB's purifying of soul gems without grief seeds.

>>25168843
The Batman part of that equation is what bothers me. He's like Hassan. All will depend on what version of him was summoned. If they got a broken fusion of all versions of Link we are well and truly fucked.

>>25172060
We've got Caster and Assassin, as well as two masters with unique combat abilities and the Stealth Golem. We are extremely well-suited for going around a single servant to gib his Master. Especially with our particular Caster.

Frankly, I'm more worried about Saber than I am Hero.

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>>25170874
Strongest emotional response. The emotions of young girls are more intense than they are in males (he says young girls are the best source of emotional energy), thus, they are more efficient to contract because they pump out more energy.

This also makes them more predictable, a male might come to more logical conclusions if he ever discovered the truth because of dulled emotions. Still not likely, but more probable. In short, the contracting of males is an unnecessary risk. If the right magical boy/girl came to a rational decision the whole system might break down because they have enough suffering in their destiny to make it happen. Homu and Madoka reformatted the system, best not to risk contracting someone who could potentially annihilate or fuck up everything rather than reformat. Thus, he sticks to girls, whom he and his race are largely certain they can manipulate.

>>25172060
I wonder if the Master Sword can banish Candelero.
She's basically an unholy being, after all.

I'd say we keep that possibility in mind. His light/silver arrows are the same thing.
And let's hope he doesn't have beam-attack equipped on his sword.
There's so many pieces of equipment in each incarnation that could fuck us up...
A staff that shoots fire. An Ocarina that can allow him to teleport, to affect the flow of time, to... Fuck, I actually forgot most of the tings that it could do.
He's got a shield that can blow back any magical attacks and is able to breath infinitely under water or equip very effective defenses against fire.

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>>25172109
The problem is still that he is still essentially "Batman", and you know what that means. There are many versions of Link, and many tools at his disposal. So many I can't recall all the potential tools at his disposal. Magic, weapons, armor, shields, swords, ect... too many potential items/weapons/abilities to calculate and identify based on current information.

That's the problem. And God help us all if we gotta face the unholy fusion of all versions of Link, with access to ALL of his abilities and tools. In that state, the man is pretty much invincible (even has a spell that makes him so for a few moments, or at least, swings his Endurance stat to the EX rank).

>>25172254
Exactly my point. I've played damn near all the games, he can pull so much shit even I can't recall all of it without recourse to internet research. Too. Many. Potential abilities!

>>25172296
>Exactly my point. I've played damn near all the games, he can pull so much shit even I can't recall all of it without recourse to internet research. Too. Many. Potential abilities!
Even emotional control might not work.
Look at Twilight Princess Link. There's nothing going on in his brain. He just stares off into the air, even during the most emotional moment with his childhood friend.
We have nothing on him.

And that incarnation also has dedicate sword techniques that might fuck our shit up. Only two or so were useful in the game, but they might be a lot better in the Grail War.

And don't get me started on familiars.
Can he summon his fairies? The talking hat? The boat?

>>25172296
We bog him down with megucas and assassinate his Master.

>>25172254
I think saving Candelero for Saber is our best bet. Or maybe seeing if QB can forcibly unsummon her, freeing up space and helping to keep us safe.

>>25172329
>There's nothing going on in his brain. He just stares off into the air, even during the most emotional moment with his childhood friend.
I'm fairly certain that we can safely ignore technological limitations and foibles. Otherwise he should be able to save-scum us to death (Septim style).

>>25172349
>I'm fairly certain that we can safely ignore technological limitations and foibles.
That's not a technological limitation.
It was a stylistical choice.
Wind Waker Link did have emotions and paid attention to his surroundings.
Even the fucking N64 version looked surprised in some situations.
TP Link is basically a robot.

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>>25172330
That's about all we can do. Gotta find out who that is first though sadly. Dear Lord I hope it's a girl, Assassin is still in the game. Any Female is, in Kenshirou's words, "Already Dead" at night with her on the table.

>>25172349
He still has to play the song on his Ocarina in the worst case scenario. His save scumming comes with a casting time. We simply interrupt his melody with beam spam, bullets, and/or other such fuckery. Don't let his gay elf ass play a full tune on whatever instrument he's holding, period, and we keep him from save scumming.

>>25172349
No we can't. Dude is like Lancelot, he almost assuredly has his own version of "Knight of Honor".

>You are now imagining Link in a fully loaded F-22 from a local U.S. Military Base on the hunt for any magus in the area.

Scared yet?

>>25172428
>He still has to play the song on his Ocarina in the worst case scenario. His save scumming comes with a casting time. We simply interrupt his melody with beam spam, bullets, and/or other such fuckery. Don't let his gay elf ass play a full tune on whatever instrument he's holding, period, and we keep him from save scumming.
He's basically Homura with offensive powers and only global bullet time instead of time stop.