Hello and welcome to another edition of Succubus Lord Quest!Last time on Succubus Lord Quest, we clarified a few more details about our job with Marina, and agreed that the Paladin needed to die ASAP, which will be the first thing to do once Marina is finished with her mountain of paperwork. After that, I introduced a new mechanic for improving characters, then after we went to see Brodin. During the visit, Brodin’s boss came to visit and nearly cause Brooklyn to wet himself. We had a small trip with him, learning all about the Underworld and the metaphysics of death in the setting, in addition to watching him work. The last thing we did go off to see the noble girls. Amanda was busy, but she allowed us up to her room where Erika and Leona were. Apparently, both the girls were somewhat shaken by a nightmare that Erika had the night before, one of a figure slaughtering some of the people in Fort Hope.We now continue from where we left off!
CHARACTER SHEETS:Brooklyn (Current protagonist): https://docs.google.com/document/d/16x32JNNBRnUAk-PQNXcqMaVvtDMLsHRARj3kk4mrj1M/editMina: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wAOC8_7DCjRIiV2_Zzzfz0xu9_JHCGfti8dw0eZSS8E/editBrodin: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jIfmmTHbwrujeLZ9CkBeVoTEs6_uJPpo7CW5EKKTj_8/editAda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19LG6d19luxQjAWNtKHiL2MMmTsUygdaHZ4WSd-9hid8/editSebastien: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DRNg7dimGiWmwD1dalLgw2H_8L_K930KL4Mr4mEk1x4/editErika:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JDLySqbJ1IgrLkXV7glI7ucP2U5dpYweaQErAZ_5nd0/editAlex (NEW!): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pOxi73DRA-lwBG34RTtCdXA8-4QES5GDqCJfqzLZU3k/editAmanda (NEW!): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-NpLAhW8YQxCQkRl_0CK-4NoafeV7PpJTH2QyqIbObs/editOLD GAMES:Thread 2 (Contains link to thread 1 in first few posts): http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/22034277/Thread 3: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/22094978/Thread 6: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/22181221/Thread 21: http://www.mediafire.com/?p6pwskaau8px2vc (The achiever messed up, so here's the entire thread I saved in complete form)Magic List:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hTt8OQDQjmUSnLaEZtF7v_NoembWKHQmx3ZGHuCLQAs/editRest here: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Succbus%20Lord%20QuestIf you enjoy, then please vote!Chat: #SuccubiDemonLordCYOA in irc.rizon.netTwitter: Sandact6Tell me if I forgot anything on the sheets. And if you have good Succubi pictures, post them please!
...This is worrying, considering your gifts dreams are unlikely to be simply that and nothing more. It is a portent of some kind, and not a pleasant one.What you saw is someone with a command of Darkness equal, or perhaps superior, to my own. Reminds me of a dream I had with much the same figure not too long ago.But there is nothing we can really do aside from prepare and be ready for the worst."I'm sure it's just a dream Leona, and if it isn't than I suppose we'll have to deal with it when it comes to that, no use worrying about it now." you say aloud to try and reassure Leona a bit.(“I don’t my sister anywhere NEAR that... thing.”) Erika replies via a mental link.“Eh... I don’t know... If my sister is psychic, then shouldn’t we treat this with caution?” Leona asks you, looking somewhat shaken by the nightmare described by Erika. “I mean this is what happens to Adventurers all the time right? They get some odd, prophetic warning about future events?”“She often likes to read Adventuring tales just as much as I love to read romance novels.” Erika replies.
WE WILL ALWAYS BE THERE TO PROTECT!
>>25116748Don't worry I'll protect the pair of you if anything happens. Motherly persona activate!
succubutt training montage
>>25116748Yes but prophecy is a slippery slope. Most prophecies only come to pass because people try their hardest to prevent them from happening. Even if this comes to pass, it could all be part of a plot to trap our enemies in this place or it could be far off in the future. Without context we don't know.
>Hey Sandact, what about those FTB's?You know that is an excellent question! Allow me to reply to that!https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K9VqFKM0PGgKXeUmafM66qViABA90RUM25BPEDUna4A/edit#Introducing the document explaining DP! Now including a sheet with over 100 abilities!>This ability sheet isn't sorted in any way.It was like 2 AM when I was making it.
Unlike Erika's death, we don't have a time frame for this. Could be ten days from now, could be ten years. What's most important is preparing ourselves and our homes.Also, idea I had for getting Leona more involved and experienced with demons: tell her she needs to be her sisters moral backbone. Her previous fearful experiences with demons are, sadly, more typical than we like to admit. Leona needs to help Erika maintain her humanity and not begin to think that she is 'above' mortals, and doing this also helps Leona see that not all demons are evil without exception.
>>25116987That's not a FTB document explaining DP...
>>25116748We need to treat this seriously and contact the Queens asap.We also need to, on a lighter note, go on a date with Mina, survivor's guilt does us no good.Finally, we should have Brodin's boss meet the paladin (we missed the chance to casually mention this before).
>>25117349We did casually mention it before. He just went 'oh, Illysians always talk shit like that'.
[1/2]“Yes but prophecy is a slippery slope. Most prophecies only come to pass because people try their hardest to prevent them from happening. Remember of the story the Nords tell of their All-Father and Ragnarok.” you tell the girls. “Even if this comes to pass, it could all be part of a plot to trap our enemies in this place or it could be far off in the future. Without context we don't know.” “But what do we do!? We just can’t sit by and let Fort Hope get attacked!” Leona protests. “We’ll take steps that’s for certain, but without anything else other than a cryptic dream then we’re going to have a hard time preparing for it.” You tell the girls. “Hm... The major hint seemed to be a lightning storm. If it is a naturally generated one then that could help us out.” Erika says. “Yes, we don’t get storms that often in Fort Hope.” you reply to Erika. “It’s a somewhat short ranged sign, but still one of the only ones we got.” Just as you finish up with the sentence, you notice the door for Amanda’s room opening up. “Salutations everyone, I hope you’ll all forgive me for my delayed arrival.” “Oh no, not at all.” you reply to Amanda as she walks over next to you. One of the things you notice her doing is that she snuggles up rather closely against you. “Oh! Did you hear the news!?” Leona asks the group. Erika seems to do a double take on you and Amanda for a second before looking back to Leona. “N-No, no I haven’t. What is the news dear sister?” “The castle finally has a royal mage now!” Leona says clapping her hands. “Oh?” Amanda asks with a raised eyebrow.
So, Leona is a fan of Adventure stories, eh?Does she now what Erika got up to when she was away?
[2/2] “Yes! They said her name is Brooklyn Browning.” Leona happily replies. Even through the blindfold, you can feel Erika now looking at you. “Oh? How are the rest of the nobles reacting?” “Hm... The reaction is somewhat mixed. On the plus side some like having a Royal Mage who isn’t Uncle. On the bad side some of the other nobles are somewhat... suspicious that a new magician got appointed so soon and so fast.” Leona replies. “Isn’t that to be expected? I mean Langy was the only spellcaster in the entire castle.” Amanda says shifting a bit more into you. “The new mage hasn’t even released her capabilities list yet, so we don’t know what she’s actually capable of.” Leona replies. (“Not that I mind the whole Royal Mage job, but can you tell me why Amanda’s aura right now is displaying extreme love and lust?”) Erika asks you mentally.
>>25117168Humans are no different. Erika is going through a big change in her life and needs support. Leona did this before and seems to want to continue supporting her sister. Some encouragement and explanation could help her ease into the role, though.
>>25117441Because there is a way to officially be tought magic now?
>>25117441>can you tell me why Amanda’s aura right now is displaying extreme love and lust?Because I'm a sex Demon?Once you go Okarian, there ain't no comparin'?I don't now, I haven't even done the shadow tentacle trick yet?Power is the greatest aphrodisiac?She's an keen social climber, and I'm personal friends wit Marina Langly?
>>25117441Because she's tried to seduce me a few times? Quite successfully to I might add. And no, I didn't use magic on her, I don't rape people.
>>25117441I would guess because she's lusting after me? The... rubbing she's doing certainly seems to support that theory.
Well, I knew about the lust. The LOVE is new. I hope she doesn't take it too hard when she finds out about Mina and the twins...
Hey sandact, do you (or the other anons) remember when the MC met Sebastien? I think I'm reading the wrong threads wrong in the archive...
>>25117761When we fought Blizzarios. He wanted the head.
Because I'm a sex Demon? Once you go Okarian, there ain't no comparin'? Power is the greatest aphrodisiac? She's a keen social climber, and I'm personal friends wit Marina Langly?You can feel Erika’s gaze on you once again.Because she's tried to seduce me a few times? Quite successfully to I might add. And no, I didn't use magic on her, I don't rape people.(“So she hit on you?”) Erika replies.Yea, she mainly made the first moves and everything.(“Uh... Well I won’t judge. Just... Be careful with her is all I’m asking.”) Erika politely asks you.(Any reactions to the non mental conversations?)
>>25117549These are hilarious, but considering how Erika is going to react if we use them...How about something along the lines of: ("She...asked for 'extra lessons' and I couldn't bring myself to say 'no'. Could we, er, talk about this later?) with maximum embarrassment. >>25117441Also, I'd hope our aura is displaying some level of affection for Amanda. Obviously we aren't in love, but I think Brooklyn feels a fair bit of affection for her star student.
>>25117825I'm impressed by Erika's self control after all the jokes. I expected her to telekinetically smack us in the back of the head.
>>25117825>(Any reactions to the non mental conversations?)Not really. Leona's there and we can't really tell her the truth and we don't want to lie to her. Just let them discuss it among themselves.
>>25117825Something along the lines of "Well, she's probably quite capable. Our new ruler would not risk her prestige so early into her reign unless she was confident."
>>25117965Leona is probably aware that we are at least enlightened at this point. Also, we should probably consider telling her at some point, as as soon as we leave town she will probably figure it out.
>>25117997She knows we know magic. The secret is that Sara is Brooklyn. Shapeshifting is probably high level stuff if you're not a succubutt.
>>25118032If she hasn't figured out we are a demon she's a bit dense.
>>25117997Has she seen us use any non-ritual magic? I thought we'd just taught her a lot of theory and performed a summoning or two in front of her...
Erika knows we are Brooklyn, Leona thinks we are friends with Brooklyn, and I don't know what Amanda thinks but she's probably smart enough to figure it out on her own.
>>25118061Agreed. But, while smart, I think she is a bit dense.
>>25118061She isn't dense, she just doesn't want to see the truth.I think if she'd figured it out she would have confronted us about it.
>>25118075No, but she knows that her sister acts like we are more powerful than she is, despite being a demon. Also the demon summoning, though fake was far beyond what a mortal can accomplish and she should know this.
>>25118123>sister acts like we're more powerful than her.True, though I'd say that might be construed as gratitude for us saving her life and the fact that we have a lot more knowledge and experience with demonic society, magic, etc than her...You know what, rather than argue lets just ask Erika for an opinion and for her to gauge her sister's reaction before we start revealing things left right and center. I don't want Leona to feel like we've just been manipulating her, her sister and their friend Amanda this whole time...
[1/2]"Well, she's probably quite capable. Our new ruler would not risk her prestige so early into her reign unless she was confident." you then add.“So Erika, how is your new life as a Succubus?” Amanda asks her. “...Harsh... Very hard and harsh...” Erika replies. “I have all these new abilities yes, but Master Sebastien pushes me very hard.” “Oh?” you ask yourself, a bit curious. “Nothing I can’t handle of course! Still it is rather... tiresome. Some days I just wish I could come back to the castle and go back to my old life. N-not that I am regretting your gift Lady Sara!” Erika tells you. “Don’t worry, I understand what you mean Erika.” you reply. “You pine for the simple days of youth. It happens to everyone.” “But on the bright side it seems like you have a higher purpose now!” Leona says trying to encourage her. “I’m sure with the powers at your disposal, you can do great things in the name of good!” Erika gently smiles as she puts her hands over Leona’s. “Thank you sister. Your words mean more to me than you could ever know in these trying times.” “In the meantime, I’ve been busy preparing for my own change as well!” Amanda brags. “Oh?” You, Erika, and Leona reply all at once.
[2/2] “But of course! While Erika did not have the luxury of being forewarned about her change, we certainly do!” Amanda says. “What about you Leona? Have you put any thought into it?” “I... Uh... I’m not sure...” Leona says, shifting while looking somewhat uncomfortable. “Oh come on now dear. Surely you must’ve put some thought into it! I mean your sister is already one and soon enough I will be as well!” Amanda tells her with a voice full of pride. “You’d be missing out on the chance of a lifetime if you decline such an offer!” Leona once again fidgets, showing she is somewhat uncomfortable in the situation. You can tell that once again her relationship with her friends and her religion are conflicting with each other once again.
>>25118351Tell her she doesn't have to do anything and tell Amanda not to push her
>>25118351Leona, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do.The circumstances around your sisters change were much darker than anyone wanted. If I had a choice, I would do it over again. It wasn't fair for her to be in that situation, where the only alternative to becoming a succubus is death. No-one should ever have to be in that position.That being said, I want to do better for you and Amanda. To give you both fair and free choices without any threats hanging over your heads. What is most important to me is freedom, and that means the freedom to choose as you wish.(I'm temped to tell her about ourselves, and how our change was similar to Erika's. Also about how her faith has already giver her slight powers. I'm big on honesty with people we care about.)
>>25118351"Take your time Leona, it's not an easy decision to make, it's not the sort of change you can reverse or pretend never happened.You'll always be Leona, that won't change, but your life will be markedly different, no one will judge you if you choose to keep your life as it is now.If you have any questions about it just ask and I'll be happy to help you."
>>25117549So Succubi wear neck or horn bling?
>>25118529Well, Mina did mention horn warmers and tail ribbons...
>>25118569When we go to T.O. Please get the twins to "disguise" us in sunglasses, horn warmers, tons a bling and one of those puffy winter vests. That image of Brooklyn (also wearing a knit cap) is now stuck in my head.
To do list:1. Succubutt sleepover, Brooklyn gets hair and nails did2. How do high heels work?3. Brooklyn holds a lightswitch rave using Light control
>>25118351"Given her beliefs, Leona is probably uncomfortable enough with Erika's change, and now you. It is understandable she has not put much thought into doing it herself."
>>25118606>>25118566Horn warmers, leg warmers and a leotard. MINA IS READY FOR GYMKATA
>>25118662Well, that has to happen eventually now.
You give a small sigh before attempting to put Leona’s uncertainties to rest. “Leona, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. The circumstances around your sisters change were much darker than anyone wanted. If I had a choice, I would do it over again. It wasn't fair for her to be in that situation, where the only alternative to becoming a succubus is death. No-one should ever have to be in that position. That being said, I want to do better for you and Amanda. To give you both fair and free choices without any threats hanging over your heads. What is most important to me is freedom, and that means the freedom to choose as you wish. One thing that won’t change is that you'll always be Leona, but your life will be markedly different, no one will judge you if you choose to keep your life as it is now.”“Yes... There will be...” Leona says as she puts her hand over her busom....Oh right, that’s where she keeps her Illysian cross.“Leona my dear, if such people cannot look past what lies on your outside, then they are no allies of you.” Amanda replies to her.“Amanda’s right Leona. Didn’t you always say one should look past one exterior to a person’s inner self?” Erika tells her.“True... But...” Leona says still looking a bit conflicted. “L-look just give me some time to sort this all out please?”“Of course, take all the time you need dear sister.” Erika says with a small smile while giving a hug to her sister.(Anything else now?)
>>25118662>>25118721This is made more hilarious by Mina resembling Yuugi in my mind.It also looks like Brooklyn is practicing Gymkata in the OP pic.
>>25118796Since Amanda is snuggled up to us wrap one of our arms around her and snuggle back a bit. See if we can use a shadow tendril to make her 'eep' by pinching her butt. "Take your time, I'm not here to force anyone into anything, just to provide options and knowledge.Are there any specific questions any of you have about Succubi, Aetheric theory, Demonology, or History that you'd like to ask me? We've all been rather busy lately and I haven't had a chance to do this for a bit."
@Leona: "we won't force you to make the change if you don't want to"@Erika: "You know the changes you described? that isn't a succubus lifestyle change. It is from switching from the noble lifestyle to being an apprentice to a master warrior. I actually made arrangements for your return if you wish it... you would simply have to quit as master sebastian's apprentice, forever losing the chance to receive proper training. Not being strong enough to protect your loved ones... It is an option and choice you are allowed to make and ultimately your training wont last forever."I want to bring up her boyfriend too and the fact she CAN keep him, even some of the queens had a happy monogamous marriages with mortals, not sure how to bring it up though. Did she even tell us?
>>25119077We can bring that up later. No need to embarrass her in front of the other girls. "Oh yeah, your first time as a succubus shouldn't be with David or you'll kill him with your vagina."
>>25119077I'm pretty sure Erika is aware that some succubi practice monogamy, and we've made a pretty big deal about how the...enthusiastically amorous stereotype of succubi is both untrue and heavily propagandized by the pride demon state. Anyway, we've already told her that she can keep her relationship with David.As for the bits about her training/returning home, think them at her. She's probably already thought it through though.
You look around the room to see that Leona *still* doesn’t seem to be catching on between you and Amanda. Either she’s somewhat dense or she has a poker face better than those Okarians in Miyu’s flashback. With that, you decide to have a little fun and tease Amanda a little bit. You make a small tentacle of darkness form from the Shadow behind Amanda and out of sight from both Leona and Erika. A small little thing that moves its way up under Amanda’s dress without her noticing before giving her a small pinch directly on her smooth butt. “Ah!” Amanda says making a small jump. “What’s wrong?” Leona asks. “Ah... Ah nothing! I just remembered how much time I have left on break is all!” Amanda replies once more. “Are there any specific questions any of you have about Succubi, Aetheric theory, Demonology, or History that you'd like to ask me? We've all been rather busy lately and I haven't had a chance to do this for a bit." you ask. “Hm... Not in particular.” Leona replies. “...None.” Erika replies a second later. It is around this time you feel a tight grasp and a noticeable pulling sensations on your ear. “Oh! I’d be delighted for some lessons after my shift if you’re not busy Lady Sara!” Amanda replies with a bit of excitement in her voice.
>>25119259Then we are probably done here.
>Didn't release a list of abilitiesWe need to do this, but we should be careful. The nobles are mostly demon worshipers and some abilities are limited to actual demons, not human mages as we pretend to be, so the list should be mostly powers that are actually possible for a human mage with no demon only powers.Basically my idea is to claim our primary focus is combat magics, and say the list of those is classified (for Lady Langly's eyes only; and whomever she deems need to know). The fun part is almost all controls can count as combat magics so any new one we learn... oh that is stuff we knew all along.We will however claim some utility specific spells (and if something specific is highly requested and available in the library we can obviously learn that too).I think we should invest in getting some healing ASAP since there is not a single magical healer in the city, much less the party. (and no, we won't become a dedicated healer but even if we get one we should still know some healing control... if only for the quality of life improvement of becoming immune to disease, at the moment we are no more resilient then a mortal to illness)Official List of Powers:1. Combat Magics, specifics classified. (full list known to lady langly)2. Divination (the human mage version of the loom spell).3. Healing (spent the XP to buy this before releasing the list).4. If a ritual is described in enough detail in the castle's library, we can learn to cast it... just make an official request (the more nobles sign up on a petition for a specific ritual the more priority it will receive).
>>25119322Oh, I forgot one... magical communication (via messenger imp summoning).
>>25119322Ability list? I did release that. Do you mean skill list?
>>25119322Or, we could start finding rituals that we can fake with controls. For instance, we could put "rudimentary (visual only) illusions" on our resume and fake a relevant ritual while just using Light control, or create a scurrying ritual once we break into Spatial control. We should learn a few rituals and enlightened mortal appropriate spells for our cover though.
>>25119365He means we haven't released our ability list as head mage.
>>25119365He means the official record of our abilities as head mage filed with the Langy's relevant office.
>>25119259(Sorry Erika, couldn't resist.)"I think I can find the time for that, I'm always interested in the education of my students.If any of you either need anything just let me know."I can't think of anything else to take care of with them, bid them farewell after a bit, hug them goodbye, and go check on Mina and the Doctor, see how his Alchemy stuff is going on, and we can pick up flying from Mina.
>>25119259Lessons with Amanda time!
>>25119416I know it's in the last thread, but you might want to add DP stats to Erika and character sheets.
>>25119388That is a pretty good idea. Although we need to find a balance between having too many and too few powers, we don't want to be pestered but we don't want to be petitioned out of office.By saying there is a classified list of combat specific powers... that keeps things simpler and also explains why the list of utility powers is short.I am not too keen on making it public that we can do illusions (as it greatly reduces the effectiveness of actual illusions if people know they exist).
>>25119451We have to wait until she's off work, but we should find out when that is and set up a time.
>>25119470And Brodin. Don't think we had DP info on the rest of the party yet.
>>25119472Scrying is likely going to be very popular with the nobles..."I've lost my one-of-a-kind saphire necklace, please locate it for me""I want to know where <Rival noble here> is""My son has wandered off from the castle, where has he gone?"....
>>25119259I really want to say yes but we REALLY must get going with the paladin.>>25119388To further clarify (I am the one you reply to). The idea isn't to get as long a list of known rituals as possible, it is to minimize the amount of pestering we get from the nobles... while still being useful. We should keep the list as short as possible without coming off as useless. Hence the whole "we specialize in combat, and you can't know"... the few utilities listed are just so we don't upset them too much.Healing is important because it garners tremendous good will and we might as well do it. Divination because we basically become a repository for secrets for the various nobles (what they want divined as well as the answers).
>>25119572Yeah, if we can learn a simple scrying ritual for the nobles we're set up for good. That and the occasional messenger imp should keep them satisfied.
>>25119511I mentioned last thread, but I added the DP information to Brodin's and Erika's sheets. You're free to spend the DP however you please. Do note that with people like Brodin, he cannot learn all the controls compared to an Okarian or other Succubi.>>25119484I was about to say yea. Is there anything else you all want to cover or should I fast forward time a bit so Brooklyn can train? If so, is there anything else you want to do in the time while training?NOTE: I am going by the list of abilities that was voted on in the last thread. You can see how the DP was spent at the bottom of Brooklyn's sheet.
>>25119495Ok, two things. 1 - where does aura sight fall on our new abilities chart? 2 - does "wait a minute..." imply that we're going back to dicing for things?
>>25119596We know 2 already.1. demons only ritual that is always correct and gives full answers (loom read)(2. A human mage knockoff version of the spell that removes the limit on how many times you can cast it a month but is not as good.
>>25119618Aura sight is a magic. The less expensive kind. It is more narrow than other controls.The reason why controls are so expensive is that some can mimic abilities.
Anyone objects to taking basic healing control?
>>25119631Question Fate isn't really scrying, and we can't really use it for the nobles because it's suspiciously powerful and has the limit. The knockoff is just useless because it can give you wrong answers. I'm sure we can find something decent in the Langy Library.
>>25119697nope. I am an advocate of each of the controls to basic...
>>25119697Right now? Yes. We have other stuff to deal with.Also what day is it?
>>25119744...Let's go with Thursday.
>>25119697Yes. Its horribly expensive compared to other options. Don't splurg controls.
>>25119744>We have other stuff to deal with.I am not sure what you mean, we have enough DP to get it instantly.
>>25119796>instantlyWe still have to take time to train it, bro.
>>25119782What options?>>25119816We already did that, that is what the DP represents. We took time to train in the past and as a result got DP to spend. At the moment WHAT we actually trained is unspecified.
>>25119796No we don't actually.
>>25119816I am >>25119829IIRC brooklyn got most of her DP from spending some days training in <unspecified> in what is currently the past.
>>25119697Yes. We just spent most of our DP for Brooklyn, let's open up Spatial Control and then boost our combat magic before the new threat arrives. We're prepping the Doc to be able to make healing potions, that should cover us for now.
>>25119848According to the charsheet:DP Expenditure:Axe to AverageWillpower/Politics/Dodge to Good!155/282Getting a new control costs 100DP
>>25119869160 actually, after out 20% xp reduction.
>>25119829We haven't had any training time that didn't get us abilities yet.>DP is gained by the experiences and trails of life. You can get it from just as easily from combat to courtly intrigue to figuring out P = NP. Using DP, one can raise their values up on their character sheets! So I just pass out numbers and you guys can vote how to spend them, rather than me typing up a long long list every time advancement comes around! It may be slow now, but once everyone starts doing more stuff the amount of DP will really kick up! But remember, learning things takes time!>It's not only gained from training>learning things takes time
>>25119869>100DPAre you sure? I thought it was 200DP but we got a 10% or 20% discount for being an Okarina?
>>25119924IIRC it is 100 x level. So 100 for basic, 200 for next, etc.>>25119909>learning things takes time!Which is represented by gaining DP which we then spend. Not by training to gain DP and then training again to SPEND the DP.
>>25119968Actually for controls it is 200 + (Current level x 75) DP.
>>25119968During the timeskip we got a bunch of skills and also water control. We also got DP. We can spend it to train some more skills which would get us DP back because we're training.
>>25119909Ok, this actually hits one of my points of confusion. Does studying or training still directly raise skills (and if so, do we get a DP discount for pursuing a relevant activity?)? Or can we bank a bunch of DP studying, then spend it on something completely unrelated, like dodging? Sorry, it just seems weird that we might be able to double dip on what to me is training exp...
>>25119993Exactly. So repeatedly paying that first 200 XP is a bad idea, especially since we will be totally unable to use them in combat. If we want to be immune to natural issues its far better to spend the DP to instead boost our endurance high enough to laugh at any environmental checks, while boosting our health.
>>25119869>155/282Does that mean we spent 155 out of 282 or we have 155 left?>All this confusionMan, that document explaining DP sure doesn't explain shit about DP.
>>25119993Ok, thanks for clarifying. Then we don't have enough.Can you add a doc to the thread starting with the DP price list/rules? Also for thread 1 there is a foolz link, would you mind adding it too in future threads?Also, 155/282 means we spent 155 out of 282 or that we have 155 left out of 282?
>>25119968Also no, you still need to train after spending DP. you don't need to train to get it. You need to do things to get it. Experience the challenges of life. DP in a way is the character learning how to apply his skills to meet the challenges his life demands.>>25120030If you wanted to study up on something like the King of Despair, then that'd give you DP as information about it is damn hard. Or learning a horribly hard magic/ritual for the first time.>>25119444For now, I am going with this.
>>25120076That you spend 155 out of 282.>>25120069I try...
>>25120069Where is that document? I don't see it linked in this thread
>>25120111Replying to self, found it now.it was here:>>25116987
>>25120030>you still need to train after spending DPBut you've credited us all those skillups (axe, dodge, politics, willpower) on the char sheet without spending any time on them?>>25120111He posted it here: >>25116987
>>25119968So, hear me out here, is there an advantage to pre-allocating DP? Like, saying that the DP we earn studying Spatial Control will be used to unlock Spatial Control instead of boosting Light Control?
>>25120030If Sandact wanted to expand the DP system, it could be split into 4 types of DP; Martial (Weapons, Dodging, Athletics, ect.), Magic (Controls, resistances, rituals, ect.), Knowledge (History, Demonology, Mathematics, ect.) and Social...
>>25120057Right so we could spend 320 DP to get our get Control fire and control water, giving us protection against environmental threats. OR we could spend the DP to get to rank 7 endurance, giving us a massive boost to health and probably beating any related environmental checks anyway.
>>25120166Can Sandact confirm that environmental threats can be beat by just rolling endurance?
did Dp completely supplant that the basic levels of the basic controls took 2-3 days training and that from basic to average took a day?
>>25120166It wasn't worth it ever since the passives started scaling with level, the DP system is just the nail in the coffin for "get everything to basic for passives".We already have water control, you probably mean air control.
One reason for dabbling with the other controls is to put 'spins' on our Darkness and Light attacks. Such as 'Burning Lasers' or 'Freezing Tentacles'...
>>25120057>>25120166Fire immunity lets us walk into a burning building. Lightening immunity let us grab a high power line with our bare hands. Earth lets us be unharmed when buried by an avalanche.Endurance 7? It won't let us do any of those things.
>>25120269>Fire immunity lets us walk into a burning building. Lightening immunity let us grab a high power line with our bare hands. Earth lets us be unharmed when buried by an avalanche.You don't get the immunities until Average now though. Basic just gets you resistance. Getting everything to Average is more than double the cost again. It's really really not worth the points.
>>25120228If your endurance is high enough, then you can ignore most of the effects of environmental threats. But keep in mind it is only mundane skill. You won't be swimming in lava without getting hurt. You'd need fire control for that.It would however let you walk under a burning sun in the middle of a harsh desert far far better than most other people.
>>25120275Remember that combined attacks are effective as the weakest of the two elements.
>>25120315>You don't get the immunities until Average now though. Basic just gets you resistance. Getting everything to Average is more than double the cost again. It's really really not worth the points.that depends on how points are rewarded
>>25120144You know what, the DP system came about from wanting to make things easier for sandact...So, just a suggestion here but how about NOT giving out general DP for study and practice. Hear me out here.Give DP for combat, etc. let that DP be spent during downtime.But if we are studying something, then rather then getting general DP have it go directly to DP towards something specific... aka "DP for upgrading darkness control" for example.
>>25120315that is for magical immunity, not for environmental threats, like burning building, etc.
>>25120324Oh, my apologies then. Have been messing with stacking bonus systems...I submit to the will of the hivemind...
>>25120270It was never worth it.
>>25120315>Average is too expensive to be worthwhile>Swim in lava>Be immune to an avalanche.I don't think its quite as useless as you make it out to be.Also, it should be worth noting that every level of control increases our resistance to the magic used by our opponents.Articus is water mage and his known underling lords include fire and lightening. If they attack us we get resistance to that too using control.
>>25120351Wrong.>Water Control (Basic) (Our sheet)>Resistance to natural cold. Freezing temperatures feel chilly to you. Minorresistance to supernatural based cold.>Water Control (Average) (Ada's sheet)>Immune to natural extremely cold temperatures. Resistance tosupernaturally based cold/water attacks.
>>25120379It is, we get other benefits from basic, than just resistance to environmental stuff.
>>25120379>It was never worth it.yes it was and the cold immunity is still worth it because we actually need some form of cold immunity to go farther north
>>25120379Are you really trying to start an argument about something that is completely irrelevant now?It totally did used to be worth it.
I don't get this immense resistance to getting healing magic.Yea our doc here is learning potions but that will take TIME and we won't always have a potion on us.And there isn't a single magical healer in town... no wait there is one, the paladin and his magical healing HARMS demons.I am not asking to make us a primary healer, we will still be primarily a combat mage, just have some ability to heal on the side. Like when we don't want someone we care about to die.
the 200 baseline for control does seem a bit steep considering how it was stated previously that basic and average control wasn't that dificult to achieve.
>>25120409How much lava do you expect to need to swim in? Really? For those fire control ranks we could get another level in Darkness or Light, or shit-tons of skills.When we're Queen-level and swimming in DP, sure. But it's not cost-effective at all.
>>25120514What he said.
>>25120487I think that can be resolved with my suggestion here>>25120336aka, spend days training to get DP specific to that.>>25120514I never expect to swim in lava, but I do expect house fires. Being able to just walk into/out of a house fire at will? awesome!.
>>25120514The lava argument was a retort to "any immunity controls give can be replicated by endurance checks".
>>25120476Because it still requires the time commitment and we need to boost our combat abilities for the incoming threat. Or, and are we sure that the elf magician doesn't know any healing magic? It might not be his specialty but I thought he knew a cant rip or two (designate him heal bitch and get him cramming spells).
>>25120476The argument isn't even about healing magic any more.
>>25120487Yea I had a problem with scaling. I have little idea how to price these things. I was mainly throwing darts and hoping for the best.
>>25120604any healing he has is probably tainted against demons
I wonder if healing control could help with ada's carpal tunnel... I bet it would.Also, if we get it high enough could regrow Mina's arm (the magic beam poison prevents it from regenerating NOT from being magically healed)
>>25120642... I vote arm regeneration tree.
>>25120634And Brodin told us that the anti-demon taint is an add-on effect that can be removed. Maybe Leona would think differently about demons if she saw us being heal by church sanctioned magic without and the pain and physical damage...
>>25120573>>25120560Okay. Correction. Any immunity controls give that we will actually need to use can be replicated by endurance checks. I mean, nobody ever heard of a demon dying in a house fire. Especially not a really durable Demon Lord (who is also possibly going to get healing magic).
>>25120632Controls are probably priced fine. A cost against generalization is probably a good idea.>>25120709You forgot that we are getting space control, which makes house fires irrelevant anyway.
So... we got caught up in a debate on how to spend DP that we don't even have...Currently Amanda is asking us for a lesson... I really do want to but we REALLY have to kill the paladin ASAP. Can we at least try the cursed sword plan already?Also we really need to list our spells officially. And we need to either participate in the fight again the paladin OR have a convenient excuse to not be there when it happens
>>25120642Magic tainted limb regrowth is probably not an option at basic though. How far do typos want to delved down the tree time wise? A week? Two weeks?
>>25120724>You forgot that we are getting space control, which makes house fires irrelevant anyway.How so?
>>25120744Spatial shielding = heat barrier I assume. Or just teleport whatever you're trying to save (includes self) out of the burning building in question.
>>25120762Which is completely and utterly useless for us to rescue strangers, documents, books, etc etc etc from a fire.wait... did you honestly think I meant "don't get killed by a fire you are caught in"? Did you not notice the walk INTO a fire part?
>>25120736What was the cursed sword plan?
[1/2]Sorry Erika, couldn't resist."I think I can find the time for that, I'm always interested in the education of my students. If any of you either need anything just let me know." you say to the girls. “But for now I must depart. I have some friends of mine to check up on.”“Take care Lady Sara.” Leona and Erika respectfully say to you.“I shall await your return.” Amanda says with you, though the blush on her face helps make some of her intentions clear. You give all the girls a small hug before heading off to the doctor’s office to see if you can find Mina, and also check up on your friend the doctor. ****** You find an alleyway to shapeshift into before heading over to Dr. Gaterkin’s office. You can see him busy behind the desk in the waiting room while a small half eaten roast chicken is next to him. “Hey Doc, enjoying yourself?” you ask leaning against the Doctor’s desk. “Hardly. One man’s broken legs were held in place by crutches when he went to another doctor.” Dr. Gaterkin says as he signs a doctor. “I bet he was fit as a fiddle after seeing you. So did you manage to get that letter after?” You ask Dr. Gaterkin. Dr. Gaterkin holds up a letter with a broken Langy Family seal on it. “Came this morning. Just opened it now. With this I now have permission to do Alchemy experiments.” “Oh I’m s-”
>>25120796Or we teleport the fire out of the building...
[2/2] “And now I can continue my experiments. Hm... I wonder how Mina’s tissue sample will react to acid with a slight bit of pyroclastic empowerment...” Dr. Gaterkin says thinking to himself. Oh right. You forgot about this side to him. “I... Think that misses the point of that license.” “Correct. I should be using life control aether to see if I can weaken the flesh then use acid, but I’m forced to improvise in this case.” Dr. Gaterkin says. “Speaking of Mina, is she here now?” you ask. “No. She went home with her male companion.” Dr. Gaterkin. “Mr. LaCroix.” Uh, it looks like the Adventurers must have their own place or something now. “Do you have their address?” “Certainly. I keep it with me in case I need to send a messenger out for Mina’s aid.” Dr. Gaterkin says writing down an address on a small slip of paper. Uh, it’s near the same place you used to live. “So are you going to have any trouble installing that new Alchemy plant?” you ask the Doctor. “I was about to head out this afternoon and talk to some construction workers about expanding the clinic. Anything extremely sensitive I can handle myself.” Dr. Gaterkin replies.
>>25120796Teleport in, teleport out with the stranger/book/whatever. Take minimal/insignificant damage.Us being fire immune doesn't make things we're holding fire immune. Teleportation is actually better for rescues.
>>25120796teleport in, grab strangers/documents, teleport outuse water control to put the fire outspending 200 DP so we can better rescue people from fires is a omplete waste
>>25120840>>25120873Spatial control works on familiarity, it is trivial to teleport to your home on the other side of the world, it is utterly impossible to teleport into a house you have never been in before.
>>25120840This is true.>>25120873It's more, air control would probably be required for smoke inhalation .
>>25120821>Teleport the fire out of the buildingSpatial control can't do that.>>25120873>Water control to put out the fireThis is actually sensible. Would damage books though, but snuffing the fire with air control would kill the people. So you need both air and water.
>>25120897Or just healing
>>25120896And then you have light control to see inside the building, water control to douse the flames and make ice/darkness/light shields for anyone/anything trapped inside
>>25120897hold our breath using superior demon constitution? (Demonic Resilience)send darkness tentacles into the house to rescue themSend Soligrams Common guys, we don't need control over everything, we already have a diverse skill set, we should focus on upgrading that first
>>25120832>"I should be using life control aether..."We need to get this man's life story, I seriously am wondering if he's actually a demon masquerading as an orc/whatever.
>>25120896It works on metaspacial links. We don't have to have the link ourself. We follow the link from the crying person outside to their trapped relative, or from whoever wants the documents to their documents.
>>25120987Space control would allow us to cast spells on people that are on the other side of the world.
>>25120987Agreed, any small passive from a control can be already done with smart use of our abilities.
>>25120987I agree, I'd prefer to focus in darkness and light with space and fate as minors instead of becoming jack of all trade master of none.
>>25120796Ask Mina to go in, problem solved.>>25120832"Good to hear that you have everything under control, you need anything just let me know.Thank you for doing this Doc, I appreciate it. You're a good guy, crazy, but still good.You know an awful lot about this sort of thing. Mind me asking where you picked all of this up?"Also, look at the Doc with Aura Sight.We might want to pay Mina a visit later, check up on her, join her and Alex perhaps. Also a checkup on the rest of our minions might be worthwhile.
>>25120940>Spatial control can't do that.Oh? Spatial control can't be used to shift heat or oxygen around? You sure about that?
>>25120804We use our ritual that makes 1 shot cursed items to make a cursed sword.Ada arranges for paladin to acquire it and break out. During the fight he is hopefully killed (curse is a one shot and leaves no trace after it triggers, turns an injury into a critical injury, hopefully a fatal one).It might even be possible for ada to deliver the finishing blow herself if the demon's are far enough away when he makes his escape (aka, he died fighting the mortal guards).Our other alternative is to set up some sort of ambush and have ada send him on his way. But the 2 demons will get an escort of a company of mercs until they reach the point where its too cold for humans to survive.If we attack at that location we must have cold immunity, which actually we can get just by wearing the armor (since armor is +1 rank to water control, we have rank 1 so it brings us up from basic to average which grants immunity).Alternatively, perhaps we could simply subvert the merc company BEFORE sending them on their way and have the mercs turn on them. The problem with that is that it might be traced back to ada.We could get the ghosts to attack perhaps...Or... maybe if the paladin's ex friends get in and rescue him, killing the 2 demon guards and then going back to cave (queens re-tweak their memories and paladin is eaten for aether). problem is that it might reflect poorly on the newly appointed ruler, ada.
>>25120940Oh, last thought on the fire. Could we use light control to redirect all the infrared radiation the fire's putting out somewhere safe. Hell, can't we directly shield ourself from infrared, so we'd only have to worry about direct physical contact with heated materials, which any kind of magic based physical barrier could deal with?
>>25121053Seriously read the description of spatial control.It does not make barriers, it does not let you teleport into strange buildings you were never in, it does not let you TK anything you want even on the atomic level (aka, remove oxygen while leaving the rest of the gaseous air), it does not let you teleport people you never met out of a building, it does not let you teleport unspecified items out of a building (all the books in that building, i don't know which)Spatial control is not "anything you can imagine to do with space/time"
>>25120832Let Mina have her 'alone time' with 'Mr. LaCroix'. Now that we know that the gears are in motion to get her all fixed up, we can sort out setting up a personal Laboratory/Safe-house, also replacing our wardrobe and getting a nice, Proper tea set... Maybe get the Twins a 'Congratulations on becoming Succubi' presents...>>25120632General rule of thumb with leveling is exponential curves...For example, a common equation used is x(L^L)so if L=level, and x=50,Level 1 = 50Level 2 = 200Level 3 = 1350...This method has a rather steep increase in cost, but it can reflect the difficulty in understanding, creating and manipulating the skill in question. Other equations use multiple variables to provide the curve, but this one is the simplest to follow. It also helps to reflect the growth in power, as the more power one has, the easier it becomes to acquire power...
>>25121140You are confusing black body radiation (head being radiated as light, mostly in a vacuum) with kinetic energy, over 99% of the heat is atmospheric convection not infra-red radiation.
>>25121147Because space control can't do anything beyond Basic level. Of course.
>>25121113I'd rather we be able to kill him from a distance before chancing his release to the wild. I suppose y'all aren't willing to wait until we unlock spatial control to trigger this chain of events?
>>25121195Nope. Getting space control to a high enough level for that is way too long to wait.
>>25121173Yea I noticed that higher levels are way too cheap right now.When it was training it was "3 day for new control, 1 day to upgrade from basic to average, then 3 days, then weeks, then months or years".But now level 20 is just 200 + 75*20 = 1700DPwhich is only 8.5x as long as learning a new control.
>>25121173A power could make more sense yea. I'll see if I can fiddle around with something like that.
>>25120832Leave Mina to her training or 'training' with Alex, for now. Did we assign Linda (our maid) a curriculum to start studying yet? We also need to do a skill evaluation on her at some point.
>>25121193>Because space control can't do anything beyond Basic level. Of course.Oh put a sock in it. You are arguing space control is an ur control that can do everything and anything, including things it explicitely states it cannot do.Space control lets us do some amazing things. we could teleport our corpse back to us or vice versa, or we could utterly destroy our corpse whereever it is at right now with a spell cast from our home.Heck, we could teleport! that is HUGE... but its not a "do everything power"
>>25121173That's a terrible equation. I think that the current figure is much better.
>>25121239You didn't assign her any readings yet no.
>>25121243>You are arguing space control is an ur control that can do everything and anything, including things it explicitely states it cannot do.We straw man now?You're arguing that space control summons pink fluffy bunnies. It doesn't. You lose.
>>25121259What about>>25121214And keep in mind that at level 4 our darkness control lets us summon a giant tentacle the size of a skyscraper that can proceed to tear it down
>>25121276>We straw man now?No, i did not misrepresent your argument>You're arguing that space control summons pink fluffy bunniesFuck you you condenscending shithole.
>>25121214The reason why switched to the new system was because the old system for controls was terrible and required excessive timeskips. Don't try to roll that shit back for gods sake.
>>25121147See burning building. Light a match, throw that into the existing fire. You now have a meta-spatial link to the fire.See where I'm going with this?
>>25121303>No, i did not misrepresent your argumentIf you're not doing it on purpose then you need to learn some reading comprehension.
>>25121287I see no problem with it, as long as the DP doesn't increase as fast as it does.
>>25121335Yea, you are totally pulling bs out of your ass that explicitly doesn't work as per the description of the control
>>25121259Agreed much better. It sharply penalizes over generalization. I think that the scaling figure might want to be increased, but the initial barrier to entry should be hefty, extremely so.
>>25121259I give you that it uses increasing powers, though having fixed powers, while less exponential, would provide a gentler curve...x(L^2), x=50lv1 = 50lv2 = 200lv3 = 450...x(L^3), x=50lv1 = 50lv2 = 400lv3 = 1350...
>>25121305The change was not to reduce timeskips but to make things "simpler" and allow awarding of combat XP.I am not "trying" anything. The actual POWER of a spell grows exponentially while the cost grows linearly with a slope of 1.375xDarkness level 1: human sized tentaclesDarkness level 4: Skyscraper sizedDarkness level 20: larger then a planet and easily achievable with a trivial cost under current DP rules
>>25121375New entrance is much to easy. with those curves add 200 -300 point increase in the initial value that isn't squared and we might be talking. Would probably still need to be higher though.
>>25121375L^2 seems about right to me, but I think learning a control for the first time should be difficult and the current 200GP buy-in per-discount seems about right to me.
>>25121413You COULD just make a rule that 1 costs extra.Like, 3x multiplier on level 1 or just an arbitrary +150DP for the first level.So you use the equation for all levels other then 1.Remember earlier it took 3 days to learn something new, then 1 day to upgrade it from level 1 to level 2, then 3 days again to upgrade it from level 2 to level 3.
>>25121346Here is the actual description.>The first thing that the book lays clear for you is that in the magical world, the concept of “here” or “there” is useless and inadequate. Space can be more clearly defined in a way as a large loom of sorts, in where each string represents something. Now whenever someone sees, touches, or experiences something directly with his senses, his string is literally touching the object of the other. At that point you cannot literally get any closer to that object in question metaphysically. However it is when one moves away from an object that things begin to get more muddled. From then on, it all depends on how well the caster is able to visualize the target in his mind. If you do not possess an image or information on your target, than absolutely no space magic will work, period. But if you know someone you’ve known your entire life, than you are able to use space magic on them rather easily. This is called a metaspacial relationship. End result is the more familiar you are with a target (Be it a person, place, or thing), then the greater your success in space magic will be and the more effective it is. It isn’t based on how well you LIKE a person, but rather how well you know them. So even a deep seated fury on a subject works just as well as the more enamoured love.(cont)
>>25121441Pre-discount, not per-
>>25121413That still makes new entrance too easy in my opinion. Eventually, people will be able to learn all the basics for no cost.
>>25121464>At the beginner level of space control you’d be able to such things as detect exactly how well one person knows another in terms of a metaspacial relationship, see 360 degrees, see around corners, detect spatial relationships (such as when object is overlapping another in realspace), make accurate mental maps of your entire surroundings (including where people are, where an arrow came from, etc... Sharing a lot in common with Old World ‘Radar’), and the ability to track objects in your immediate area flawlessly.We can see through the wall. We can form a perfect mental image of the person we're trying to save because they're right fucking there. We can teleport to them.
"Good to hear that you have everything under control, you need anything just let me know. You're a good guy, crazy, but still good.” you ask the doctor while turning on Aether sight. “You know an awful lot about this sort of thing. Mind me asking where you picked all of this up?" You can tell that the doctor’s aura colour is a violet (joy) colour. “I spend a lot of my spare time reading. I’m interested to see if I can try to replicate some of the magical effects of certain types of controls with Alchemy. Really the whole field interests me in general so I often spent quite a lot of time reading up on that.”“Fair enough. See you later doc.” you say giving a small wave as you exit the clinc.You wonder what things you can do now. You can do such things as visit Mina and the other Adventurers, go back to your castle and probably get fitted for some more clothing, begin your training, shop for a gift for the merchant girls for becoming Succubi... ...Oh right, they are leaving soon aren’t they? You’d probably need to get on that...Oh, after buying more tea supplies of course.
>>25121375if L=0L1 costs 200If L>0x(L^2), x=50lv1 = 200lv2 = 200lv3 = 450lv4 = 800lv5 = 1250...
>>25121498I could jack the price up for how much it costs to learn at basic.
>>25121413>>25121441So we are looking at x(L^2) where L=Current Level, and the entry price is fixed at 300?Although, based on what Sandact said about Space and Time control, they might use the x(L^3) equation to represent their Complexity...
>>25121464So, the more valuable the contents (that we are aware of) of a burning building are to us, the more we are empowered to save them. Conversely, if we have no vested interest in preserving anything about to be consumed by flame, the greater the personal risk we will have to take to save it. Right?
>>25121517I think we should visit Mina, as I have no idea what to get them for gifts and Mina should be able to help us with that.After that we'll go shopping!
>>25121498Yes, but at that point we will be a Okarian demon lord, so we should probably have most types of magic.
>>25121517If we get gifts for the twins, matching tail ribbons and horn warmers sound nice.Is there a way we can make those so that we don't raise suspicions?
>>25121550We're an Okarian demon lord now.
>>25121531you have to reorganize the entire system or people who don't rely on controls will massacre people who do. Keep it at its current level.
>>25121531Probably add Fate to that list.
>>25121499It says you can see around corners not see through walls.And as I said the claims of being able to make "force field shields", to have TK subtle enough to remove the oxygen from the air while leaving the rest of the gasses, to teleport a FIRE out of a building, etc are all not there. Oh, and gaining a metaspatial relationship with a fire through throwing a match into it.
>>25121575Yes, i meant we will have the power of an Okarian demon lord, at the moment we're as powerful as a normal Okarian, but we can get more powerful very fast
>>25121528Only if you jack it up to a level that stops people from buying them all. Maybe an increasing price for learning new controls?
>>25121544Actually it explicitly states that how much you care about it doesn't matter... what matters is how well you KNOW it.Someone you utterly loathe but are very familiar with? you can save.Someone you love and are very familiar with? you can saveSomeone or something you know is extremely important but have only a passing familiarity with? you can't
>>25121574Remember it takes the wings, horns and tail a while to fully develop.
>>25121592The house is not fucking airtight. There are corners to see around. And that's only at basic when we can't teleport anyway, presumably the radar gets better as we level up. Short range hops are easy.
>>25121574"Why hello Sir winter clothesmaker sir! In addition to your listed rate, please take this large bag of gold coins. It is a gift, and in no way payment for services rendered that neither of us shall discuss to others!"
>>25121609We learn things a bit more quickly and have a larger mana pool. I'm still unconvinced that the "very fast" is going to be "fast enough to save us..."
>>25121652A closed door is not a corner. It says you can see through corners not through the crack under a door.Also, teleporting sounds aether consuming... fire immunity is a passive. And putting the fire out with water is going to be way way cheaper then teleporting every single valuable thing out one by one.
>>25121659Buy the damned clothes, skip to the talk with Amanda. Maybe that will actually cause people to pay attention
So as an Okarian we get 20% discount on magic.What do get as a Demon Lord? DP gain multiplier?
>>25121718Honestly, who gives a fuck about firefighting?
>>25121609You know, how powerful ARE we compared to run of the mill okarian?I mean, we have been one for days... yes we learn faster but one who was trained in their secret sanctum for 50 years? Yea they are going to wipe the floor with us.
>>25121741All the people arguing about the mechanics of it.
>>25121517Go speak to ada, we need to discuss getting rid of the paladin.
>>25121659Because that doesn't raise any red flags or anything...
>>25121659"I would like to order some Cloths my good sir [After completing the order, you will forget about it]. <insert list of clothing, including designs for Concealable Wing-Slits and Horn & Tail warmers> [you will do this now]"
>>25121528Why bother with this higher entrance price crap?If you don't want people to learn all the controls, then just put a hard limit on how many controls one can know.Make it possible to increase that limit by gaining power and you are done.
>>25121741>Honestly, who gives a fuck about firefighting?The argument isn't about firefighting it is about the capabilities of spatial magic.
Uh... So far we have one for Mina, one for Ada, and one Amanda.We still have five hours before Amanda gets off her shift in case people need to know.
>>25121723Agreed we need to do that thing we agreed last thread. >>25121769Put on a damned firefighting suit that we have our science chick decide. Problem solved.
>>25121884Go visit Mina, we'll go shopping afterwards.
>>25121718The crack under the door has many corners. Just putting the fire out with Water Control is undoubtedly better than teleportation, I'm just saying we could do it that way. We could also use an army of soligrams who are illusions and don't burn (or darkness constructs which probably don't burn either) to go in and grab everything. Any of those viable solutions involve things we already have or plan on getting and do not involve wasting massive amounts of points on fire immunity.
>>25121884Amanda. Lets get that over with asap.
>>25121792If she isn't busy (she is running the town for us, and the previous management was just brutally murdered by us, so the political transition is probably a bit rough...). Otherwise let's take a number and see what Linda's skill set looks like. We're also going to need to round up a raider tribe for Amanda's transformation at some point.
>>25121885Nobody is arguing the FIREFIGHTING the are arguing the MECHANICS OF MAGIC.People are trying to backtrack with "hurr nobody cares about firefighting" now that their utter nonsense about spatial control has been disproven.
1. Visit Mina (assuming she is not naked)2. Check with Ada about PLANS3. Gifts4. Hot for teacher
>>25121937She is always busy, but this takes a priority because if articus gets him its a potential game over.
>>25121868Hopefully it'll be finished by nightfall.
>>25121946Why would Mina being naked stop us from visiting her?
>>25121884Amanda. I want that discussion done soon.
>>25121884Go see Mina. She also saved the twins, so we should get her in on their transformation.
>>25121876Because its not supposed to be banned forever. We are supposed to EVENTUALLY learn all of them as a proper master of magic.There are already banned things like psionics.Honestly I am not even sure the "extra cost" is there for a mechanical advantage (learning a bunch of different controls even if it is cheap is not advantageous) rather then a realism thing (just picking up something completely different is harder).
>>25121939We were arguing about getting passives. The firefighting was brought up as an example of where a fire immunity would be useful. You're the one who went on a retarded space magic crusade and sidetracked everything.
>>25121946This with the modification here -> >>25121983
>>25121992We went to see mina already and were told she went to fuck a guy in the privacy of their home.Don't go barging in on them, we will see her when she is done.
I vote amanda
>>25122040Dude, we've got 5 fucking hours to kill between now and then.At least choose to go shopping or accomplish something between now and then.
>>25122014>You're the one who went on a retarded space magic crusade and sidetracked everything.No, the guys thinking space magic does anything and everything are the ones who started that "sidetrack".I want spatial magic, it is the most awesome magic we have... but it doesn't do certain things.
>>25122001>(learning a bunch of different controls even if it is cheap is not advantageousyes it is just look at water control. thanks to basic water control we cannot be drowned
>>25121983Because if she's naked she's naked WITH Alex.
>>25121989Agreed. The sooner we have that discussion the better.
>>25122060Everything does everything if you get it to a high enough level.
>>25122064and before someone says that's a useless power most of our current enemies have water control
>>25122064Do not forget the great boon it provides to our quest for the perfect tea...I think Visit Mina, If she's not busy, we go shopping, then see what time it is...
>>25122001Pretty much this. We could spend 2-3 months getting every control to basic, and get one-shotted by an experienced pride daemon knight or serious succubus, or we can get 1-2 versatile controls leveled to the point that we are actually dangerous in a fight.
>>25122064Opportunity cost. Yes it useful but there are other useful things to buy that help more. Especially in combat>>25122122Magical attacks using water control from an enemy are not "mundane" and we only get a small resistance to them (which can grow to a large resistance with levelup).
>>25122122It's not useless. On it's own it's nowhere near worth it though. Luckily water control is more than just that.
>>25122088So we spice things up for them with some tentacles, and pull Mina out once Alex starts screaming in terror.
>>25121989>>25122102And in the 5 hours until then?
>>25122177>implying Alex wouldn't enjoy it>implying we wouldn't get dragged into a threesome>implying the thread wouldn't be drowned in the shitstorm about sleeping with guys
>>25122220Yea, I don't think we are ready to sleep with a guy yet.
>>25122220>implying we wouldn't run away?
>>25122209Don't care, as long as it doesn't take much time IRL.
>>25122248So what's the point of going in in order to run away? Just let Mina have her fun.
>>25122135Exactly.. now, since we are immortal we will eventually spend those 2-3 months... But is it going to be right now? a year from now? 10? 100?Right now we should focus on a few things for combat effectiveness.
>>25122248So you want to cockblock her and then run away?
If we're going to timeskip I vote doing it reading in the Langy Library. Maybe get some useful rituals or learn more about space control or what angels eat.
>>25122167>>25122175>Magical attacks using water control from an enemy are not "mundane" and we only get a small resistance to them (which can grow to a large resistance with levelup).if you control water the easiest way to kill someone that doesn't is holding a bubble of water around the targets head
>>25122227Well, we are identifying as a lesbian last time I checked, so yeah I have to agree with this.
>>25122327Ha, not...You slightly shift less then one ounce of water in their brain to cause a blood vessel to burst.But immunity to drowning does not protect us from having our head enveloped by magical water, because the water is magically charged and as such our water control provides mere resistance instead of total immunity.
>>25122326If I counted correctly there are only 2 votes for timeskip to amanda meething and at least 3 votes gainst it wanting us to do various other productive things until thing.
>>25122397immunity to drowning would protect us from drowning in that scenario.
>>25122426I counted like 5.
>>25122426Good. Just saying because they don't seem to care what we do in it so we might as well make that option productive too.
>>25122397>>25122434So he gets a +15 stunt to his roll. The horror. Remember how the system works people.
>>25122434the immunities are against mundane effects not magical attacks. If someone held our head in a bucket of water we wouldn't drown, if they magically summoned water to drown us then we would passively resist drowning in the magical water longer then normal. the explicit explanation is "the attack spell is suffused with aether with breaches resistances".Same with fire, immune to mundane fire but magically summoned fire can bypass our immunity>>25122446hence i said at least 3, i stopped counting when i saw the clear majority.
>>25122512I counted at least 5 voting for the timeskip and or voting for amanda.
>>25122397>You slightly shift less then one ounce of water in their brain to cause a blood vessel to burst.that's blood control.>But immunity to drowning does not protect us from having our head enveloped by magical water, because the water is magically charged and as such our water control provides mere resistanceour head would still be enveloped but as we can breathe water it wouldn't end us... of couse this ignores the obvious next step for the Water controller which is freeze that water sphere.
>>25122327How about you one up that by forcing water down the targets lungs to the point where the water pressure would make their lungs explode?You'd be immune to drowning, but it won't save you when your internal organs rupture from pressure.Or be a dick and attempt to freeze the water in their lungs.
>>25122552Whelp, there went our Dark/Light specialization...
>>25122547>that's blood control.1. Interstitial fluid2. Cerebrospinal fluid3. Only the water part of the blood... or do you claim that having solutes renders water incontrollable? because unless it is distilled water contains stuff. And even if it was a limit on how much it can contain we can move tea around so water control has no such limit.I imagine the only protection against that would be "ownership field" that must be overcome. Something that is only an issue really when fighting magical opponents
the immune to drowning thing is still useful to us as there is an Anti-Demon Mech currently sat at the bottom of a lake... a lake which, with we could search indefinitely for the Mech's location...
>>25122618no it's the Aether in the Human(or demon as the case may be) body that interferes sand has gone over this before
>>25122618Fucking hell this is all pointless. Describing your attack gets you a maximum bonus of 15 on a 1d100 roll, less than the +20 bonus each rank in a control grants you. It doesn't fucking matter.
>>25122552How about push 1 single ounce of water into their trechea and then creating a frozen seal inside that prevents them from breathing :)
>>25122664This pay attention to the rules you idiots.
>>25122663>no it's the Aether in the body that interferesAka "ownership field". completely standard solution to "I make a 3mm incision in a vein inside their brain"
>>25122686Where are these rules?
>>25122686>>25122664I am >>25122618it was a retort against an argument that the most efficient attack is to summon a sphere of water around someone's head. I am the guy who keeps on saying you can't just "magic win" against an opponent because they have resistance.
[1/3] Ah! Mina! She’ll know what to get them! In addition she can help you shop around the town for new clothes with you new budget! “Abuse of new privileges ho!” you announce as you head off towards the address that Dr. Gaterkin gave you. ****** After a brisk walk to head on over to the address that Dr. Gaterkin gave you. You look over the dome like house before giving a few hard knocks on the door. You heard nothing at first, before then giving a few harder knocks. “Un moment s'il vous plaît!” Alex’s voice rings out in the room as you can hear him going over to the door. As he opens up the door, you can see him dressed in what appears to be a housecoat. “Oh! Madame Brooklyn! What a surprise!” “Hey Alex.” You say giving him a small wave. “Oh! Brooklyn’s here!?” You can hear Mina say behind Alex. “Hey Mina!” you say calling out to her. “Brooklyn!” Mina says as you can quickly hear her running over to you. She nearly tackles you down as she gives you a big hug with her one arm. “Ooohhh! I’ve missed you so much!” “Mina! Your clothing!” you point out to her, indicating that she’s buck naked at the moment. You can only see Alex sighing with a smile on his face. “Well then come on in silly!” Mina says dragging you into the house with her one arm. “Then put on some damn clothes at least!” you protest as you make a simple soligram housecoat for her. “Oh thanks!” Mina says spinning around with her housecoat on. It is then you notice Mina’s hair at the moment is rather frizzy...
[2/3] “Am I... Interrupting something?” you ask both Mina and Alex. Both Mina and Alex appear to be wearing shit eating grins on their mouths as they glance a look at eat other. “Oh... Nothing too important.” Alex replies. “Besides it is nice to have company once in a while. I would offer something but... Right now we are just moving in ourselves.”“Hm... I see that.” you say looking around the house. You can see that upon closer inspection it is bigger than your old place but it has the same structure. However aside from the beds it appears there isn’t much else to this place. Clothing is mainly in a pile off in one section of the house while the rest of the house shows a complete and utter lack of anything else.“...Uh... Well at least you got a place to live. These places retain heat really well, and is probably the main reason I bought one despite the size of them.” you reply to Alex. “Oui. We just need to... spice things up a bit persay.” Alex replies. “So Brooklyn, what brings over here!?” Mina asks sitting down on the bed. “Well considering that I’m now the Royal Mage of Fort Hope with a big fat allowance to do what I want, I was wondering if you’d like to go out to do some shopping with me.” you reply to Mina. “What!? You’re now the Royal Mage!?” Alex gasps in astonishment. You can only nod with a large smile on your face. “Good for you Brooklyn!” Mina says giving you a big hug. “TOO TIGHT TOO TIGHT!” you reply to Mina. “Oops! Sorry!” Mina says backing away from her tight hug.
I am >>25122749I was also the one saying you can't just "magic immunity" against such an attack... which was confirmed by >>25122552Basically attack vs resistance. because its magic. Immunity is for when you are going to swim in a non magical lake
[3/3] “No offense, but how do you manage to do anything perverted at all without breaking anyone’s pelvis!?” you ask as you get your breath back. “...Well there was this one time when I was younger... Broke a guy’s pelvis by accident...” Mina says looking at the ceiling. Both you and Alex only stare at Mina in abject horror. “...So how about that trip!” Mina says breaking the silence. “Was there anything special you wanted to do on it!?”
>>25122797Nope. Shopping trip until we meet amanda and have THE TALK
>>25122796you missunderstood, you are still immune to drowning, but of course not immune to other effects water over your head can have.Which was my >>25122434 point.
>>25122779I forgot, who is alex?>>25122814What talk? we are meeting her for a lesson.
>>25122814sounds good to me.
>>25122870Alex is the Fighter of the Adventurer group.
>>25122797"Well I need a new tea set, and given my allowance I can splurge on it and get the best one available. I need to find some gifts for the Twins, you ought to be able to help with that. Some practical stuff like bags, travel gear, rope, pitons, survival gear, that sort of thing.Maybe some candy because I haven't gotten it that often before. Other than that mainly just what catches my eye. Poor impulse control buying decisions are on the menu today.">>25122814What talk? Seriously, why do people seem to have a need to have a SERIOUS TALK when things are going just swell between us.
>>25122797Just go shoping.
>>25122895>What talk? Seriously, why do people seem to have a need to have a SERIOUS TALK when things are going just swell between us.Because people have control issues.
>>25122797>Broke a guy’s pelvis by accidentMINA WANT SNOO-SNOO
>>25122912>Because people have control issues.Amen brother.I mean, there was the whole "lets lay down the law to ada" thing. ugh.
>>25122870A brief discussion of our plans for her (she works under us, if she want we put the Richards merchant empire under her control, let her know we also bang Mina, that kind of stuff) etc.
>>25122797I was thinking about some, shall we say, 'Specialist Warmers' for everyone... a completely new wardrobe for myself, and something for a fledgling pair of Gemelli...
>>25122870At the end of the last thread we had a big argument about whether to add some terms to us turning into a succubus. The basic terms were debated and set in stone at the end of the previous thread and are apparently no longer up for discussion according to OP
>>25122895+1, especially to the shopping part.
>>25122928Don't remind me... That whole debate gave me headache.
"The Talk"? About what?
>>25122814Supported. It was voted on and OP has said several times that it is happening. Lets get it over with before it turns into a shitstorm.
>>25122915It's the star on her horn that ties the whole thing together...
>>25122947I just reread the original post and I don't see a single mention of it.Also I was here for last thread and there was no consensus on that, it was a repeat of the ada debate only without sandact's coming in and diffusing everything
>>25122814At my current count we are 3 for and 4 against this course of action.
>>25122814Yeah, at the end of the thread there was litterally no dissent and OP promised that whatever was voted on would end up in OP.
>>25123033Is time skip or scenes shopping with Mina winning?
>>25123053He also promised again earlier in IRC that the it would be honored.
>>25123011I agree with you on that. Dear god some of the people in here are control freaky, and not the good type of control freak, the type which actively sets out to alienate allies.And then they fixate on one thing to the exclusion of all else leading to pointless debating about random stuff and now saying that we should do nothing in this 5 hour period but time skip. It's insane.
>>25123095Yeah pretty much.
>>25122814That argument is over and done with, we are having that discussion. If OP would chime in, I'm happy to let us have the shopping.
>>25123094Good. +1, I wouldn't have voted if it resulted in a tie.
>>25123095He's said it in the IRC about six times.
>>25123187> IRCBig fucking woop
>>25123064>Is time skip or scenes shopping with Mina winning?The 3v4 is for "have SERIOUS TALK to law down the law" vs "don't law down the law" not timeskipping or shopping
>>25123187So in a meta-quest discussion...not sure if I agree that he can't change his mind since it isn't written in the quest itself.
>>25123272Second post of the topic.If you're worried about the chat with Amanda, relax we'll still all have a chance. We're still a few hours away from that in game.
>>25123272The one at the top.>>25123260You realize if he does that now the side that gets unfairly screwed will never shut up about it and will only radicalize further.
>>25123234>law down the law>twiceI swear I wrote lay down the law.
>>25123234Oh. I really don't care about that. I figure if we screw up and turn Amanda against us we'll just end up breaking her or letting Ada take control of her. Then again I really don't care about using Amanda's family for resources since I don't think we should be bothering to set up long term shop at fort hope...
>>25123310It isn't laying down the law. Its about giving her a really good deal instead of charity.
>>25123234Its not 3v four, but whatever
>>25123344having her as a loyal ally is a good deal
>>25123303True. I just tend to think anything written in discussions shouldn't be taken as set in stone until its come up in quest. Sometimes OPs' have ideas that are really interesting but require them to revise some of their planning, and that's ok. Often annoying, but sometimes that's the price you pay for interesting stories.
So Brooklyn needs to say, "I AM THE LAW" while laying with Ada and Amanda?
>>25123435Nah, its asking for a few damned near symbolic terms.
>>25123435Since Amanda hasn't met Ada yet, that should wait until after her succubization at least. And probably until we actually have Ada working for us and not just with us.
>>25123095In terms of Amanda, there were two things mainly stopping the talk:1) I didn't bring it up as Amanda was on break and the Langy girls where there. I figured you'd probably want more time to deal with that sort of thing, and more privacy2) My memory is terrible as I've had a midterm since last thread. So last thread I was mainly in "OHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCK" modeDon't worry. We'll still have enough time to talk to her in the game. It isn't like the Elder horror that could be living in the underwater cavern suddenly awakens.
Can someone who is pro "laying down the law" with amanda actually tell me what they WANT? as in specifically write a sentence "in quotation marks" of exactly what you want to say to her in "THE TALK".
>>25123515Please allow me to second this.
>>25123493The elder horror wakes up during our flying lessons. It doesn't do anything, it has a nice view up our dresses from down there.>>25123515Pretty sure they wrote it all out in the last thread.
>>25123585>last threadInstead of repeating that line over and over again. How about you just post it here...
>>25123515Sure:"Amanda I love you, and you promised me that you would do anything if I would turn you into a succubus. Well, I'm not going to ask for anything near as much as you offered, and I'll even help you deal with your familial standing but I do have a few little requests..."1. A small amount of money, effectivly trivial2. An agreement that she'll back up our Head Mage persona as best she can.3. That she will do us favors when necessary. I'm honestly more interested in having a formal framework than the actual terms.
>>25123606Agreed. It's about precedent and relative status. Not about the actual help she gives us.
>>25123599I'm not going looking for it, I don't give a shit about this argument. Just saying if you want to know you could maybe try and find out.
[1/2]"Well I need a new tea set, and given my allowance I can splurge on it and get the best one available. I need to find some gifts for the Twins, you ought to be able to help with that. Some practical stuff like bags, travel gear, rope, pitons, survival gear, that sort of thing. [In addition to horn warmers.]” you tell Mina with a hidden message. “Maybe some candy because I haven't gotten it that often before. Other than that mainly just what catches my eye. Poor impulse control buying decisions are on the menu today."“Alright then!” Mina says holding her arm in the air, before then shedding her housecoat without a hint of embarressment in front of you and Alex and heads over to her duffle bag.. “Think we can go to the bath house after? I’d like a chance to wash up as I’ve been rather busy in the clinic and helping Alex move in.” “Sure no problem, let’s get to that after you’ve finished putting something on.” you tell Mina as you help her into some clothes. After a small goodbye to Alex, you and Mina are now walking to the store area. “So you’re finally going to change those merchant girls!?” Mina asks, sounding somewhat giddy but still in a whisper. “Yes, either tonight or tomorrow. Either way it is very soon. I was thinking about getting them some horn warmers, but... Not sure how to get them...” you say. “...Yea... In Old TO it isn’t a problem as they’re sold in the... The... What’s the colour between black and white called in English?” Mina asks. “Grey.” you reply.
[2/2] “Grey! Such things are everywhere in the Grey Market in Old TO! But you’d probably need someone trusted to make them here.” Mina says. “I do have some spares if you want them. I wouldn’t mind giving them up for new girls in the sisterhood!” “Hm... I’ll think about it. But for now what do you want to shop for?” you ask Mina. “Well first the basics! We need you some underwear! Something like a lady of your standing should be wearing!” Mina tells you. “Soligram.” you reply. “Iie!” Mina says giving you a small push with her arm. “Fancy stuff! Black lingerie with frills! It’d be FAR more comfortable and more showy than that stuff Leona wears! Such a shame that a girl with such great natural curves doesn’t like to show them off...”“...And I assume I have absolutely no say in this?” you ask Mina.“Hai!” Mina happily replies. “Oh! Also the bit about getting new casual-ish clothes for you! The ones you got now are nice, but we’ll need a lot more clothes for someone like you!”“And hats.” you add.“Hats too!” Mina agrees merrily. “Is there anything else you want to pick up while shopping?” (And that'd be it for me for now. I'm gonna be heading off to bed now in a bit. If I have time, I may do a thread friday.)
>>25123606The formal structure and official acknowledgement of her as our subordinate are key, yes. I don't want to inflict terms harsh enough that she'll even hesitate for a moment.
>>251236061. Money stipend? you want her to pay us a small fee for the rest of her immortal life for turning her into a succubus?2 & 3. Basic psychology, friends do more for you when you don't phrase it as a freaking CONTRACT.
>>25123698But We want a damned formal acknowledgement. That's it.
>>25123606I agree with this except the money since it seems a little petty given our level of funding as head mage.
i really don't understand why we are attaching conditions in a demanding way. We can just state that one of the reasons for the transformation is that we are looking for help. Simply stated and it is asking rather than demanding. I am sure Amanda would love to feel helpful and that she can actually do something for a change.
>>25123722Why? Why do you need this?
>>25123606Basically what everyone else has said. Honestly I'm really disappointed that we had to argue this again.
>>25123750Then we can drop it if you want. I'd prefer to have it, but I'll take it in return for the other conditions.
>>25123698see this sort of thing it just stupid as a friend and ally we'd get more from her then that>>25123722it's petty and unnecessary. officially relegating someone like Amanda as a subordinate is a waste of time that will probably piss her off. Allies are more useful in the long run anyways
>>25123606An actual honest to god discussion like this? HAPPY DAY!
>>25123606I disagree with demanding this, or making it into a contract.If you can figure out a way to do that, then I would support it.what >>25123698 said.
Guys... What about the question Mina asked...
>>25123885I'm with nope personally. Lock in the current vote totals and start writing.
>>25123922Works for me. Honestly the sooner we put this behind us the better.
>>25123885sorry Sand, but you know use we must argue or the other side might win.I suggest getting more regents
>>25123922He's not writing anything else until Friday.
>>25123922Please do. If you aren't writing anything more please lock in the vote total now.
>>25123695>The formal structure and official acknowledgement of her as our subordinate are keyKey to alienating her and getting LESS from her then as a friend would.
>>25123606Its all about status yes. She's fricking in love with us. The idea that she would immediately betray us for asking for much less than she offered is fucking nuts. The Ada is going to kill us side at least had some crappy textual evidence to support them
>>25123885I am ok with what we already listed to buy.Candy, lingere, gifts, clothes, adventuring gear, etc...I can't think of anything more to get
>>25123694>>25123885More regents if we don't have a full stock already back in castle would be good. Maybe some mundane gear (armor/weapons) for the twins?
>>25123885What we have so far is fine.
>>25124053You so sure? Then let it happen, we can apologize and then you can say I told you so.
>>25123885We should probably get gifts for our students, that's all I can think of on the matter. Do we have enough DP to upgrade Erika's telepathy or telekinesis?
>>25123885Candy and sweets, lingerie, tea stuff, rope, survival gear, gifts, snazzy hats, some board games and decks of cards.
>>25123885Possibly pop the date question at this point?"A-also, Mina, if you want to, I was wondering if you were free tomorrow if we could maybe go on a d-d-a...
>>25124154>board gamesClearly we must find a copy of Diplomacy and play it with Mina and our students.
>>25124192We will be busy with the twins.
>>25124132Apologies don't fill trust deficits though...the question is whether we'll jolt her our of her infatuation with us and undermine our long term alliance prospects with her. Eh, whatever, as I said previously I expect you guys to back me on breaking her if we screw things up.
>>25123758Because We (Or at least I) want "friends who are also subordinates"
>>25124141Well I did list her DP so...If you guys wanna spend either her's or Brodin's, then by all means.
>>25124202do you want to end all of our friendships at the same time?
>>25124192We should probably make sure she knows we've been giving Amanda "extra lessons" first. I know Mina wouldn't care, but it's probably a good idea to keep all that stuff in the open, like she does with Alex.
>>25124214Fine by me. Honestly the real issue for me is that we set out to get some minons and then we totally forgot about the minion part. I'm tired of people trying to claim the Brooklyn is selfless and as pure as snow.
>>25124293If it kills all this stupid talk we've had this thread... Then, yes.
>>25124206And also possibly seeing our guy friends seeing as it's a Friday.
>>25124243Well, since we're a Lord and they aren't that means that they are already subordinate, in the sorta-kinda way that succubus hierarchies seem to work. More of a respect of seniority and power, sort of way.
>>25124344Yeah, and I want to turn it into a formal hierarchy sort of way. I want her to know who is in charge, just like everyone in the quest ever told us to do.
>>25124393And you don't think the way she's been acting lately that information might be a bit out of date now?
>>25124393This is a point if following the unanimous advice of the npc's will blow up in our face as spectacularly as people think it will we need to know.
>>25124431Not at all.
>>25124253So we're 24 DP short of and Average-to-Good Psionic boost. Bugger. Can we bank the DP for Precog and trigger the expenditure when she hits it tomorrow or the day after?
>>25124344In a Succubus hierarchy, the lowest Succubi is still above any human, just like the rest of demons.They just don't enforce that as often, usually preferring to blend in. It wasn't until World War 3 on Earth that the Succubi Queen's went "Yea fuck this, we're taking over", but still did it in an Illuminati like fashion.According to Pride Demons, Succubi are amongst the lowest kind of demon. Parasitic leeches that only mooch off the effort of the working folk. This is what is generally taught in this day an age.Celestia has a similar outlook, only it applies to literally every demon in existence.
>>25124304It isn't selflessness, its the fact that people don't like to be MINIONS.We can get employees, we can get allies. making someone into a minion isn't easy.However, thanks to our alliance we have been delcared the head mage, which means that we outrank and may issue orders to everyone in town except a handful of nobles who outrank us.We set out thinking that DEMONS ARE EVIL, demons must adhere to their word, and the queens are out to use us. To find out that we are still just a normal person, that demons are people. That we can lie, we can break contract (except for certain clans), and we have normal people wants and desires.Our personality is built as that of a scholar not a conqueror. Also sandact is running this quest as a slice of life simulator with social interaction being paramount rather then a quest where we manage large amounts of people as numbers on a spreadsheet.And we CANNOT be an open warlord because of overwhelming enemy power, we must use guile and trickery to keep our existence a secret for now.Finally, there is a total conceptual failure in that you cannot get a minion by making a friend and then forcing your friend to sign a degrading formal contract declaring them our minion that has absolutely no way for you to enforce. If you want true minions then you need to research magical enslavements, bindings, or just plain threaten those weaker then us with violence. Heck we can just ENLIGHTEN people, instant minion!Those we threaten will turn on us at a drop of a hat, all they have to do is report us to the authorities.
>>25124443>>25124456Really? I would love to hear why you two think this.
>>25124433The unanemous advice was show her who is in charge not force her to agree to a formal agreement that we have absolutely no way of enforcing. They all talked about psychology, and the explicit example given was doling out of secrets and power.
>>25124431Let me think, no.>>2512447>implying anyone is talking about threats
>>25124344With the exception of Aides, haven't all hierarchies been sub-clan exclusive? Oksana ruled Okarinas while Miyu had her Miyans etc.?
>>25124498Because she's made dramatic statements that she has yet to back up?
>>25124206A date with Mina would mean more Aether for the queens, and I'm not sure either it'll take the while day. Other then that, the day after if that day doesn't work?
>>25124472She's offered far more than what we want, it will not alienate her. Phrase it as a contract, or as a deal or however the fuck you want. At the end of the day, I want an actual acknowledgement of our relative strengths
>>25124513Pretty much.Other Succubi respected other Succubi Queens. Mainly because of power disparity and also because they were the same species. But when it came to official matters they generally paid attention to their queen over most others.
>>25124304>selfless and pure as snow.Acid rain makes tingly snow...Amanda is a minion, the question is wether she'll be a productive and loyal minion if we're heavy handed with her, or if she will reject those tactics and take her skills and resources elsewhere (Ada) in response.
>>25123606Goddamn it lets just fucking try it. If it goes wrong it goes wrong. I'm not sure how well it will go, but I'm voting in support because I honestly feel sorry for these guys.
humm. What to buy what to buy. OH i know we need a replacement RPG books after ours got vaporized. :)Along with a new tea set. besides cloths can't think of much else. could ask Mina about flying also.
>>25124580Why are you so fucking obsessed with "THEY MUST KNOW WE'RE IN CHARGE! WE ARE BIG BAD DEMON LORD!" no matter how much it'll alienate them by calling them minions and subordinates instead of friends? She's not a fucking idiot, she knows we're stronger than her, but lording it over her like you seem to want isn't going to help anything.
>>25124568we want to spend a day with the twins after their change to make sure they adjust properly and get used to things, gemelli being especially vulnerable after their changewe can have the date with Mina after we change them
>>25124594I fail to see how this could possibly be heavy handed. Its been said repeatedly to use as light a reign as possible.
>>25124619Or we could not do it, not upset the status quo we have with her that seems to be working just fucking fine, what with her loving us, being devoted to us, and not us telling her that she's our minion and we demand things from her in exchange for what we did.
>>25124594You don't treat people like objects or slaves and expect them to like you. That is especially true to someone who is like Amanda and has outright stated she doesn't want to be controlled in any manner.
>>25124580>I want an actual acknowledgement of our relative strengthsour relative strengths are most powerful when no one knows of them, let alone acknowledges them, ffs turn your ego for for 2 seconds and think
>>25124580If recognition of our strength relative to Amanda is all your after, I think she's sharp enough to figure out that our power is maturing much faster than normal and that we are (within the limitations of our subclan) significantly stronger than her. If not, wait until she talks to Erika about how Langy Died.
>>25123606I got to say no to this, I doesn't feel like the right way to handle Amanda
>>25124658Hell, they won this argument last night, they won it again tonight until much later when opponents suddenly started appearing. Let them have their damned toy.
>>25124594Ding ding ding.She is already our subordinate in many ways. We have a variety of layers of authority from our position as head mage, to our position as her teacher, to being older and more experienced, to being a lord, to having the ears of the queens, to having the ear of ada..."there is absolutely no way she will be offended and leave if we are hamfisted about it" is a terrible argument for being hamfisted and clumsy in how we handle her (aka, by demanding formal recognition of subordinatehood).And I have yet to see any explanation why it is helpful to shove a list of "you MUST DO X" in the face of someone who would do X for us gladly if we asked nicely and are likely to be offended if presented that way. The sole reason for it is to formalize their position as minions and it is a bad reason.
>>25124709no they didn't it was after Sand left so it was just one side agreeing with them selves
>>25124749really, then why did that one guy agree that they won the fight in the last thread?
>>25124729>"there is absolutely no way she will be offended and leave if we are hamfisted about it" is a terrible argument for being hamfisted and clthis so much
>>25124709So they can take their toy and use it to break our toys? It's a fucking stupid plan, I was just focused on the actual quest today instead of going off on random arguments about stupid bullshit that wasn't relevant.Amanda cares an awful lot about personal choice, freedom, and not having her fate chosen for her. That's one of the main reasons she wants to be Succubutted. And people see this and say, you know, we really ought to lay down the law. Tell this girl that we're the boss, she's the subordinate and she has to do what we say. That's right, if she wants to be free of the chains of fate controlling her she has to accept that we control her. I mean it's not like the girl loves us and would happily do stuff for us if we ask her and give her a kiss.
>>25124779BUT that's not what they are saying at all.>>25124729Then tell them how to accomplish their goals without being hamfisted
>>25124770>one guy agreeobviously he's on their side trying to ram it though. if the argument was truly won this argument wouldn't still be happening
>>25124580She offered it, and we agreed to help her. Implicit contract? Here's the thing, what I remember from Amanda's talk is that she hates the idea of being overtly controlled by a superior power (demon crushes human's puny will, it does their bidding in all things, blah blah morally objectionable and revolting). The danger is we move from the realm of strong friend and mentor that she likes working for and with, to just another powerful behind trying to take advantage of her. It really doesn't matter what she offered us, what matters is how we react to that and whether she feels like she's contributing to a greater cause, or just being used.
>>25124806The argument was won because sandact said it was one multiple times. Hell, he even said we are having that talk.
>>25124826Okay, then you do what >>25124805said. Find a way to satisfy us that you think will work.
>>25124833show me in the thread where he said it. Pro tip it isn't there. arguments after one side isn't there are not arguments they're circlejerks.
>>25124833We are having the talk, that what was agreed to. The board content of the talk and tone we use in convincing Amanda to bend to our will? That is still up for grabs and since it looks like we might be starting with this nextime, I and a few others on both sides that didn't feel like wading into the shitstorm last time have rolled up our sleeves to make our voices heard.
>>25124872here >>25123493He also said the in IRC that the vote would be honored twice.
>>25124900>IRC that the vote would be honored twice.so what I'll argue against any idea I think is wrong until the time Sand actually writes it.
>>25124900I'll be clear. My intention and interpretation of that was "Agree to talk to Amanda". What exactly you'll be talking to her about will be voted upon when you're sitting down on the bed with her.
>>25124980> My intention and interpretation of that was "Agree to talk to Amanda"that's perfectly fine I was worried that Ultimatums were incoming simply because the side against them didn't stick around after the last thread ended.
fuck this circlejerking crap, I'm out for this thread.You guys that want to make minion out of her can go ahead and argue all you want.I'll just disagree and vote to keep her as a friend when the time comes.
>>25124980Good. G'night Sandact6, take it easy.
>>25125027no don't leave that could give the minioning people what they want.
ill just say this now, anyone who wants to make her a minion is utter fucking retarded and incapable of imagining all the shit you will cause in the future, keeping her a friend and slowly building her up will take more time, but will provide infinitely better and longer benefitseither way, im voting against minioning
>>25125083He's leaving for this thread. Sand just said he isn't banking these votes for our first action next time.
>>25124580>>25124672If recognition is ALL you want then the PROPER way to handle them is to tell our friends and allies:"Ok so, you might want to know about the long term plans of the Queens. The queens sealed themselves in a prison, to evade the pride demons as the war was lost. They assigned a single succubi lord the task of freeing them at a set date later on. Unfortunately she died before she had the chance, and they spent hundreds of years trapped with no contact.That is when I stumbled across them. They needed an agent in the outside world and recruited me. I was transformed into a Succubi Lord so that I may one day become powerful enough to release them from their prison. I was also tasked with reclaiming earth from the pride demons for the succubi race. If I can successfully reclaim earth for the succubi then I would be granted official stewardship of it."Answering some question that would obviously pop up:Q. What does it mean to be a succubi lordA. Nobility for demons are not just titles but a state of the refinement of your being, the higher the nobility the faster you gain power. An old and experienced "commoner" easily overpowers a freshly born noble, but if they both train equally then the noble will end up stronger. It is possible to ascend to higher states via extreme and rare conditions.Q. So all succubi on earth are supposed to obey you?A. I haven't driven the pride demons from earth yet, and succubi hierarchic is pretty informal.There you go, this provides lots of recognition and even implied authority.
>>25125127> I missed that last line saying that sand was doneno I fill stupid
>>25125145I'd rather not tell them that until they get Succubutted due to the lack of mental defenses they have, once they're Succubutted they already know about them and it's not really any additional risk.
>>25124805>Then tell them how to accomplish their goals without being hamfistedTheir goal is FORMAL recognition of our friends being our minions.Achieving that goal is the problem since perfect application still degrades our relationship with our allies and friends.The only way to have it happen perfectly is by breaking a succubi or taking the soul of a mortal; both are morally reprehensible (and will degrade our relation with our allies).If their goals were to merely to get "recognition" and "respect" then see:>>25125145
>>25125145>>25125231 The combination of these two sounds about write.
>>25125231I am the author of >>25125145and I agree, only say that to the succubi allies: Ada, Erika, and Mina at the moment. More later on.Mortals don't get told anything due to lack of mental defenses.Also, worth telling them is:"Did you know that the war in which the Pride demons conquer earth was the second major succubi v pride demon war? The first time the succubi won and forced the pride demons to promise to never attempt to genocide the succubi. Something they got around by enslaving us instead".Could help morale to realized that winning IS possible.
>>25125294But that's wrong. Whats her name had a dear friend who was also a subordinate. Lamina went out drinking with her vipers. So on and so forth. Don't say its impossible when it has been done in universe multiple times.
>>25125454Have any of them been in the military? Friendship in formal rank structures is entirely doable. Anyone who says otherwise is out to lunch
>>25125510formal rank structures only work with those that accept them, many of our friends and companions do not fit that description
>>25125510The Queens?Janette was largely IN CHARGE of the Earth Military.Purple too, but officially to a lesser extent. She was more of a Champion compared to Janette's General
>>25125550How about this. We call up the queens and ask them how to make her acknowledge she is our minion without pissing her off. If they tell us it is possible we do need it.
>>25125572Was actually refering to anons in despair.
>>25125577or we can not make her a minion and be retarded about this?keeping her a non minioned friend and making her powerful (over time) would be more than reason enough for her to be immensely loyal to us, whereas what you propose goes against what she desires at the very core of her beingffs you are retarded if you think minioning her will be beneficial to anyone in any way
>>25125145Answer the second question in a way that gives us explicet authority and I'd be okay with it.
>>25125631People like you are why we need a second opinion.
Its beneficial because it removed uncertainty and helps brooklyn grow as a person
>>25125832>removed uncertaintyWhat uncertainty?>helps brooklyn grow as a personHow does acting like a tyrant do that?
>>25125510Oh, yes quite a few of them. Miyu's friend was both a subordinate and her friend. Lamia was on rather friendly terms with most of her Vipers.People like Purple though had more strict relationships. She mainly considered herself a mentor or a peer to other Succubi and really only answered to Pamille in an official sense (since she disappeared, Janine). She mainly goes along with the Queens because while they are friends too, it is her order to make sure she tries to defend the race as best as she can. But within members of her own race, her hierarchy somewhat resembles that of a Pride Demon. Just a step below her are twelve other Succubi who embody different martial practices and assist Purple in running her clan (Mainly all Belkarians, but some non-Belkarians in there too). Her relationship with these people would be that of a wise mentor and their leader moreso than her friend. They're not all yes men though.
>>25125454The vipers were her employees. She didn't go to each of them while being a pauper and said "sign this contract making you my minion". She had positional authority (queen), she trained them, and she provided funding; it was also an organization that she led that came with a lot of prestige.Not every member of her clan became a viper.>>25125550Yes>>25125577If you do >>25125145then she is likely going to follow us on most things.Also, what kind of minion/subordinate are you looking for?The types are:1. There is employee (she works for us, but quit; requires we actually pay her)2. There is mind controlled (broken succubi or enlightened humans, she calls us master, alaways obeys us, and pays us for the privilate)3. There is slave/fear (obey or be hurt, will turn on us).4. There is follower (thinks we are so awesome she will do anything for us)1 doesn't work if she is the one paying us. 2 is just evil and alienates all our allies. 3 is just stupid as the person in question can just tip of the pride demons. 4 is sabotaged by "laying down the law" and is promoted by showing actual leadership.
>>25125965>1 doesn't work if she is the one paying us.To clarify I am referring to>>25123606I think we should aim at making allies and followers (thinks we are awesome and wish to follow us).
>>25125832confirmed for being a moron
>>25125832it does neither of those and how the fuck would it help Brooklyn grow? do you even know what you're arguing for?
>>25126029>I think we should aim at making allies and followers (thinks we are awesome and wish to follow us).a willing follower is always more loyal and more powerful than one forced to by fear/structure/bindings etc
>>25125679>Answer the second question in a way that gives us explicet authority and I'd be okay with it.That would be a baseless lie and totally unnecessary. You cannot mislead people into following you. And the post as a whole creates the perception of us being the leader of the uprising, being higher titled (nobility) and having connections (queens) as well as following us being a ticket to authority (the future ruler; think of how people fawn of a crown prince despite him having 0 authority YET).Also, the more individuals are involved with the uprising when a new member is inducted the more "leadery" we seem to new recruits who are not aware of the fact that all the first to join did so as friends and allies rather than as followers. And our friends and followers then see the new recruits as our followers which in turn can cause a shift.Note that the speech is only for those aware of the queens already (aka, ada, mina, erika, and once converted the twins and amanda). New recruits should follow because we are a structured resistance with resources rather than due to being informed about the queens.
>>25126281>You can't mislead people into following you.Well, you can but you have to invest in ongoing mental conditioning otherwise it tends to backfire spectacularly.
>>25126361and that, is not something we would do to our friends and companions
>>25126361Well yes, you can certainly try but it won't be a long term success (and if it only works for a bit and then blows up in your face then it is a failure) :)Because it will backfire spectacularly.
>>25126380Agreed, but still needed to point out that to do so would require an ongoing investment of resources, which compounds the stupidity and inefficiency of that entire line of reason for dealing with Amanda and the rest of our allies.
So, I was thinking about the long term goals of earth conquest.According to sandact6, small towns are ruled by humans. Large towns by either a demon (who swore fealty to articus) or an enlightened human.My plan right now is:1. go to other large towns under articus ruled by an enlightened human and repeat what happened here.2. fan some animosity between articus' demon underlings.3. assassinate articus.4. As the demon underlings start to fight on who will succeed him, have the various subverted towns form an alliance to protect them from the demon infighting. Claim that they are still loyal to pride demons as a whole and will obey the demon king... and whomever wins the succession war; but they refuse to get dragged into the succession war itself.5. use lots of sabotage to ensure the succession war is long and costly.6. While this is happening start repeating the process under the other demon lords. In the unfortunate case a clear winner does happen we take them out and the united town alliance declares open rebellion.Extra ideas:7. A succubus/pride demon can have either a succubi or pride demon child. It is thus possible for there to be pride demons who are pro-succubi (raised by a succubus mother). Such a find would allow us install a pride demon successor who is actually with us.
>>25126859>7. A succubus/pride demon can have either a succubi or pride demon child. It is thus possible for there to be pride demons who are pro-succubi (raised by a succubus mother). Such a find would allow us install a pride demon successor who is actually with us.extra effective seeing as pride demons have that ancestor worship thing going on.
>>25126859Not so sure about 7 since the mother would be broken and the child raised to think that was morally right.My main concern is number 3. I don't think that our full gang at full strength could take on Articus and survive, yet.
>>25127028>My main concern is number 3. I don't think that our full gang at full strength could take on Articus and survive, yet.it's a long term plan for sure, but as plans go it's fairly solid
>>25127028While a broken succubi might be the most common occurance of this they could also be lovers or other scenarios.For example perhaps a broken succubi who was NOT altered to be ok with pride demons as a whole and breaking, whose pride demon master died when the child was a baby. She then becomes shattered.Or a broken succubi is pregnant with a pride demon when her sisters rescue her and kill him. The mother is shattered and has problem raising the child so he is instead raised by the immediate family (sisters)Also sandact had this to say:<Sandact6> Such a thing is possible. Purple was raised by Pride Demons originally<Sandact6> She's miffy on them. She can really relate to them, but ever since they gave her the boot for being the Succubus then attempting to defeat the Succubus race miffs her<Sandact6> Janette cares absolutely nothing for them and would rather see them all dead.
>>25127092The key thing is to remember that demons are basically really powerful people.mmm... actually this means we could find pride demon sympathizers without them having succubi ancestry and being raised by succubi. Just some random low ranking pride demon who thinks breaking is morally wrong.>>25127028#3 would be a long time from now; after we have subverted multiple other towns. By then we should have a much larger gang and all of us powered up since.Also a step between 2 and 3 could be "and then we spent 10 years training for this specific eventuality". If we can't kill articus we will never win.
>>25127092><Sandact6> Janette cares absolutely nothing for them and would rather see them all dead.of course the Aide Queen Hates Pride Demons seeing as she's been broken before
>>25127185She's still broken, she's an Aide. Her master is Oksana.
>>25127249Originally people voted against aide on the concept of "having a master sucks", but it occurs to me that aides are the only ones immune to breaking. An aide with a master that does not abuse their masterhood (aka, gives the aide free will) is near immune to breaking. While a free masterless okarian/etc does NOT enjoy such immunity.
>>25127249it's not quite the same, but taht's close enough
>>25127300It is the same. The Aide drawback is that they have to be broken.>>25127289>An aide with a master that does not abuse their masterhood (aka, gives the aide free will)Is pretty great. They get a load of defensive power and no drawback. The problem is finding a master you can trust with your mind, body and soul. We certainly didn't have anyone like that when we made our choice. The only other characters in the quest were the Queens who we were really wary of. We can always break later if we find somebody we can actually trust that deeply and people really want the resistance to being broken by somebody else.
>>25127448>We can always break later if we find somebody we can actually trust that deeply and people really want the resistance to being broken by somebody else.That is true. apparently it is something that some succubi sometimes do (that is, break themselves to someone they trust before doing something risky)