CHARACTER SHEETS:

Brooklyn (Current protagonist): https://docs.google.com/document/d/16x32JNNBRnUAk-PQNXcqMaVvtDMLsHRARj3kk4mrj1M/edit
Mina: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wAOC8_7DCjRIiV2_Zzzfz0xu9_JHCGfti8dw0eZSS8E/edit
Brodin: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jIfmmTHbwrujeLZ9CkBeVoTEs6_uJPpo7CW5EKKTj_8/edit
Ada: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19LG6d19luxQjAWNtKHiL2MMmTsUygdaHZ4WSd-9hid8/edit
Sebastien: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DRNg7dimGiWmwD1dalLgw2H_8L_K930KL4Mr4mEk1x4/edit
Erika:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JDLySqbJ1IgrLkXV7glI7ucP2U5dpYweaQErAZ_5nd0/edit
Alex (NEW!): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pOxi73DRA-lwBG34RTtCdXA8-4QES5GDqCJfqzLZU3k/edit
Amanda (NEW!): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-NpLAhW8YQxCQkRl_0CK-4NoafeV7PpJTH2QyqIbObs/edit

OLD GAMES:
Thread 2 (Contains link to thread 1 in first few posts): http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/22034277/
Thread 3: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/22094978/
Thread 6: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/22181221/
Thread 21: http://www.mediafire.com/?p6pwskaau8px2vc (The achiever messed up, so here's the entire thread I saved in complete form)

Magic List:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hTt8OQDQjmUSnLaEZtF7v_NoembWKHQmx3ZGHuCLQAs/edit

Rest here: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Succbus%20Lord%20Quest

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Tell me if I forgot anything on the sheets. And if you have good Succubi pictures, post them please!

...This is worrying, considering your gifts dreams are unlikely to be simply that and nothing more. It is a portent of some kind, and not a pleasant one.

What you saw is someone with a command of Darkness equal, or perhaps superior, to my own. Reminds me of a dream I had with much the same figure not too long ago.

But there is nothing we can really do aside from prepare and be ready for the worst.

"I'm sure it's just a dream Leona, and if it isn't than I suppose we'll have to deal with it when it comes to that, no use worrying about it now." you say aloud to try and reassure Leona a bit.

(“I don’t my sister anywhere NEAR that... thing.”) Erika replies via a mental link.

“Eh... I don’t know... If my sister is psychic, then shouldn’t we treat this with caution?” Leona asks you, looking somewhat shaken by the nightmare described by Erika. “I mean this is what happens to Adventurers all the time right? They get some odd, prophetic warning about future events?”

“She often likes to read Adventuring tales just as much as I love to read romance novels.” Erika replies.

WE WILL ALWAYS BE THERE TO PROTECT!

>>25116748
Don't worry I'll protect the pair of you if anything happens. Motherly persona activate!

succubutt training montage

>>25116748
Yes but prophecy is a slippery slope. Most prophecies only come to pass because people try their hardest to prevent them from happening.

Even if this comes to pass, it could all be part of a plot to trap our enemies in this place or it could be far off in the future. Without context we don't know.

>Hey Sandact, what about those FTB's?

You know that is an excellent question! Allow me to reply to that!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K9VqFKM0PGgKXeUmafM66qViABA90RUM25BPEDUna4A/edit#

Introducing the document explaining DP! Now including a sheet with over 100 abilities!

>This ability sheet isn't sorted in any way.

It was like 2 AM when I was making it.

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Unlike Erika's death, we don't have a time frame for this. Could be ten days from now, could be ten years. What's most important is preparing ourselves and our homes.

Also, idea I had for getting Leona more involved and experienced with demons: tell her she needs to be her sisters moral backbone. Her previous fearful experiences with demons are, sadly, more typical than we like to admit. Leona needs to help Erika maintain her humanity and not begin to think that she is 'above' mortals, and doing this also helps Leona see that not all demons are evil without exception.

>>25116987
That's not a FTB document explaining DP...

>>25116748
We need to treat this seriously and contact the Queens asap.

We also need to, on a lighter note, go on a date with Mina, survivor's guilt does us no good.

Finally, we should have Brodin's boss meet the paladin (we missed the chance to casually mention this before).

>>25117349
We did casually mention it before. He just went 'oh, Illysians always talk shit like that'.

[1/2]

“Yes but prophecy is a slippery slope. Most prophecies only come to pass because people try their hardest to prevent them from happening. Remember of the story the Nords tell of their All-Father and Ragnarok.” you tell the girls. “Even if this comes to pass, it could all be part of a plot to trap our enemies in this place or it could be far off in the future. Without context we don't know.”

“But what do we do!? We just can’t sit by and let Fort Hope get attacked!” Leona protests.

“We’ll take steps that’s for certain, but without anything else other than a cryptic dream then we’re going to have a hard time preparing for it.” You tell the girls.

“Hm... The major hint seemed to be a lightning storm. If it is a naturally generated one then that could help us out.” Erika says.

“Yes, we don’t get storms that often in Fort Hope.” you reply to Erika. “It’s a somewhat short ranged sign, but still one of the only ones we got.”

Just as you finish up with the sentence, you notice the door for Amanda’s room opening up. “Salutations everyone, I hope you’ll all forgive me for my delayed arrival.”

“Oh no, not at all.” you reply to Amanda as she walks over next to you. One of the things you notice her doing is that she snuggles up rather closely against you.

“Oh! Did you hear the news!?” Leona asks the group.

Erika seems to do a double take on you and Amanda for a second before looking back to Leona. “N-No, no I haven’t. What is the news dear sister?”

“The castle finally has a royal mage now!” Leona says clapping her hands.

“Oh?” Amanda asks with a raised eyebrow.

So, Leona is a fan of Adventure stories, eh?

Does she now what Erika got up to when she was away?

[2/2]

“Yes! They said her name is Brooklyn Browning.” Leona happily replies.

Even through the blindfold, you can feel Erika now looking at you. “Oh? How are the rest of the nobles reacting?”

“Hm... The reaction is somewhat mixed. On the plus side some like having a Royal Mage who isn’t Uncle. On the bad side some of the other nobles are somewhat... suspicious that a new magician got appointed so soon and so fast.” Leona replies.

“Isn’t that to be expected? I mean Langy was the only spellcaster in the entire castle.” Amanda says shifting a bit more into you.

“The new mage hasn’t even released her capabilities list yet, so we don’t know what she’s actually capable of.” Leona replies.

(“Not that I mind the whole Royal Mage job, but can you tell me why Amanda’s aura right now is displaying extreme love and lust?”) Erika asks you mentally.

>>25117168
Humans are no different. Erika is going through a big change in her life and needs support. Leona did this before and seems to want to continue supporting her sister. Some encouragement and explanation could help her ease into the role, though.

>>25117441
Because there is a way to officially be tought magic now?

>>25117441
>can you tell me why Amanda’s aura right now is displaying extreme love and lust?

Because I'm a sex Demon?

Once you go Okarian, there ain't no comparin'?

I don't now, I haven't even done the shadow tentacle trick yet?

Power is the greatest aphrodisiac?

She's an keen social climber, and I'm personal friends wit Marina Langly?

>>25117441
Because she's tried to seduce me a few times? Quite successfully to I might add. And no, I didn't use magic on her, I don't rape people.

>>25117441
I would guess because she's lusting after me? The... rubbing she's doing certainly seems to support that theory.

Well, I knew about the lust. The LOVE is new. I hope she doesn't take it too hard when she finds out about Mina and the twins...

Hey sandact, do you (or the other anons) remember when the MC met Sebastien? I think I'm reading the wrong threads wrong in the archive...

>>25117761
When we fought Blizzarios. He wanted the head.

Because I'm a sex Demon? Once you go Okarian, there ain't no comparin'? Power is the greatest aphrodisiac? She's a keen social climber, and I'm personal friends wit Marina Langly?

You can feel Erika’s gaze on you once again.

Because she's tried to seduce me a few times? Quite successfully to I might add. And no, I didn't use magic on her, I don't rape people.

(“So she hit on you?”) Erika replies.

Yea, she mainly made the first moves and everything.

(“Uh... Well I won’t judge. Just... Be careful with her is all I’m asking.”) Erika politely asks you.

(Any reactions to the non mental conversations?)

>>25117549
These are hilarious, but considering how Erika is going to react if we use them...

How about something along the lines of: ("She...asked for 'extra lessons' and I couldn't bring myself to say 'no'. Could we, er, talk about this later?) with maximum embarrassment.

>>25117441
Also, I'd hope our aura is displaying some level of affection for Amanda. Obviously we aren't in love, but I think Brooklyn feels a fair bit of affection for her star student.

>>25117825
I'm impressed by Erika's self control after all the jokes. I expected her to telekinetically smack us in the back of the head.

>>25117825
>(Any reactions to the non mental conversations?)
Not really. Leona's there and we can't really tell her the truth and we don't want to lie to her. Just let them discuss it among themselves.

>>25117825
Something along the lines of "Well, she's probably quite capable. Our new ruler would not risk her prestige so early into her reign unless she was confident."

>>25117965
Leona is probably aware that we are at least enlightened at this point. Also, we should probably consider telling her at some point, as as soon as we leave town she will probably figure it out.

>>25117997
She knows we know magic. The secret is that Sara is Brooklyn. Shapeshifting is probably high level stuff if you're not a succubutt.

>>25118032
If she hasn't figured out we are a demon she's a bit dense.

>>25117997
Has she seen us use any non-ritual magic? I thought we'd just taught her a lot of theory and performed a summoning or two in front of her...

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Erika knows we are Brooklyn, Leona thinks we are friends with Brooklyn, and I don't know what Amanda thinks but she's probably smart enough to figure it out on her own.

>>25118061
Agreed. But, while smart, I think she is a bit dense.

>>25118061
She isn't dense, she just doesn't want to see the truth.
I think if she'd figured it out she would have confronted us about it.

>>25118075
No, but she knows that her sister acts like we are more powerful than she is, despite being a demon. Also the demon summoning, though fake was far beyond what a mortal can accomplish and she should know this.

>>25118123
>sister acts like we're more powerful than her.
True, though I'd say that might be construed as gratitude for us saving her life and the fact that we have a lot more knowledge and experience with demonic society, magic, etc than her...

You know what, rather than argue lets just ask Erika for an opinion and for her to gauge her sister's reaction before we start revealing things left right and center. I don't want Leona to feel like we've just been manipulating her, her sister and their friend Amanda this whole time...

[1/2]


"Well, she's probably quite capable. Our new ruler would not risk her prestige so early into her reign unless she was confident." you then add.

“So Erika, how is your new life as a Succubus?” Amanda asks her.

“...Harsh... Very hard and harsh...” Erika replies. “I have all these new abilities yes, but Master Sebastien pushes me very hard.”

“Oh?” you ask yourself, a bit curious.

“Nothing I can’t handle of course! Still it is rather... tiresome. Some days I just wish I could come back to the castle and go back to my old life. N-not that I am regretting your gift Lady Sara!” Erika tells you.

“Don’t worry, I understand what you mean Erika.” you reply. “You pine for the simple days of youth. It happens to everyone.”

“But on the bright side it seems like you have a higher purpose now!” Leona says trying to encourage her. “I’m sure with the powers at your disposal, you can do great things in the name of good!”

Erika gently smiles as she puts her hands over Leona’s. “Thank you sister. Your words mean more to me than you could ever know in these trying times.”

“In the meantime, I’ve been busy preparing for my own change as well!” Amanda brags.

“Oh?” You, Erika, and Leona reply all at once.

[2/2]

“But of course! While Erika did not have the luxury of being forewarned about her change, we certainly do!” Amanda says. “What about you Leona? Have you put any thought into it?”

“I... Uh... I’m not sure...” Leona says, shifting while looking somewhat uncomfortable.

“Oh come on now dear. Surely you must’ve put some thought into it! I mean your sister is already one and soon enough I will be as well!” Amanda tells her with a voice full of pride. “You’d be missing out on the chance of a lifetime if you decline such an offer!”

Leona once again fidgets, showing she is somewhat uncomfortable in the situation. You can tell that once again her relationship with her friends and her religion are conflicting with each other once again.

>>25118351
Tell her she doesn't have to do anything and tell Amanda not to push her

>>25118351
Leona, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do.

The circumstances around your sisters change were much darker than anyone wanted. If I had a choice, I would do it over again. It wasn't fair for her to be in that situation, where the only alternative to becoming a succubus is death. No-one should ever have to be in that position.

That being said, I want to do better for you and Amanda. To give you both fair and free choices without any threats hanging over your heads. What is most important to me is freedom, and that means the freedom to choose as you wish.

(I'm temped to tell her about ourselves, and how our change was similar to Erika's. Also about how her faith has already giver her slight powers. I'm big on honesty with people we care about.)

>>25118351
"Take your time Leona, it's not an easy decision to make, it's not the sort of change you can reverse or pretend never happened.

You'll always be Leona, that won't change, but your life will be markedly different, no one will judge you if you choose to keep your life as it is now.

If you have any questions about it just ask and I'll be happy to help you."

>>25117549
So Succubi wear neck or horn bling?

>>25118529
Well, Mina did mention horn warmers and tail ribbons...

>>25118529

Naturally.

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>>25118566
>horn warmers

>>25118569
When we go to T.O. Please get the twins to "disguise" us in sunglasses, horn warmers, tons a bling and one of those puffy winter vests. That image of Brooklyn (also wearing a knit cap) is now stuck in my head.

To do list:
1. Succubutt sleepover, Brooklyn gets hair and nails did
2. How do high heels work?
3. Brooklyn holds a lightswitch rave using Light control

>>25118351
"Given her beliefs, Leona is probably uncomfortable enough with Erika's change, and now you. It is understandable she has not put much thought into doing it herself."

>>25118606
>>25118566
Horn warmers, leg warmers and a leotard. MINA IS READY FOR GYMKATA

>>25118662
Well, that has to happen eventually now.

You give a small sigh before attempting to put Leona’s uncertainties to rest. “Leona, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. The circumstances around your sisters change were much darker than anyone wanted. If I had a choice, I would do it over again. It wasn't fair for her to be in that situation, where the only alternative to becoming a succubus is death. No-one should ever have to be in that position. That being said, I want to do better for you and Amanda. To give you both fair and free choices without any threats hanging over your heads. What is most important to me is freedom, and that means the freedom to choose as you wish. One thing that won’t change is that you'll always be Leona, but your life will be markedly different, no one will judge you if you choose to keep your life as it is now.”

“Yes... There will be...” Leona says as she puts her hand over her busom.

...Oh right, that’s where she keeps her Illysian cross.

“Leona my dear, if such people cannot look past what lies on your outside, then they are no allies of you.” Amanda replies to her.

“Amanda’s right Leona. Didn’t you always say one should look past one exterior to a person’s inner self?” Erika tells her.

“True... But...” Leona says still looking a bit conflicted. “L-look just give me some time to sort this all out please?”

“Of course, take all the time you need dear sister.” Erika says with a small smile while giving a hug to her sister.

(Anything else now?)

>>25118662
>>25118721
This is made more hilarious by Mina resembling Yuugi in my mind.

It also looks like Brooklyn is practicing Gymkata in the OP pic.

>>25118796
Since Amanda is snuggled up to us wrap one of our arms around her and snuggle back a bit. See if we can use a shadow tendril to make her 'eep' by pinching her butt.

"Take your time, I'm not here to force anyone into anything, just to provide options and knowledge.

Are there any specific questions any of you have about Succubi, Aetheric theory, Demonology, or History that you'd like to ask me? We've all been rather busy lately and I haven't had a chance to do this for a bit."

@Leona: "we won't force you to make the change if you don't want to"
@Erika: "You know the changes you described? that isn't a succubus lifestyle change. It is from switching from the noble lifestyle to being an apprentice to a master warrior. I actually made arrangements for your return if you wish it... you would simply have to quit as master sebastian's apprentice, forever losing the chance to receive proper training. Not being strong enough to protect your loved ones... It is an option and choice you are allowed to make and ultimately your training wont last forever."

I want to bring up her boyfriend too and the fact she CAN keep him, even some of the queens had a happy monogamous marriages with mortals, not sure how to bring it up though. Did she even tell us?

>>25119077
We can bring that up later. No need to embarrass her in front of the other girls. "Oh yeah, your first time as a succubus shouldn't be with David or you'll kill him with your vagina."

>>25119077
I'm pretty sure Erika is aware that some succubi practice monogamy, and we've made a pretty big deal about how the...enthusiastically amorous stereotype of succubi is both untrue and heavily propagandized by the pride demon state. Anyway, we've already told her that she can keep her relationship with David.

As for the bits about her training/returning home, think them at her. She's probably already thought it through though.

>>25119117
She knows.

You look around the room to see that Leona *still* doesn’t seem to be catching on between you and Amanda. Either she’s somewhat dense or she has a poker face better than those Okarians in Miyu’s flashback. With that, you decide to have a little fun and tease Amanda a little bit.

You make a small tentacle of darkness form from the Shadow behind Amanda and out of sight from both Leona and Erika. A small little thing that moves its way up under Amanda’s dress without her noticing before giving her a small pinch directly on her smooth butt.

“Ah!” Amanda says making a small jump.

“What’s wrong?” Leona asks.

“Ah... Ah nothing! I just remembered how much time I have left on break is all!” Amanda replies once more.

“Are there any specific questions any of you have about Succubi, Aetheric theory, Demonology, or History that you'd like to ask me? We've all been rather busy lately and I haven't had a chance to do this for a bit." you ask.

“Hm... Not in particular.” Leona replies.

“...None.” Erika replies a second later. It is around this time you feel a tight grasp and a noticeable pulling sensations on your ear.

“Oh! I’d be delighted for some lessons after my shift if you’re not busy Lady Sara!” Amanda replies with a bit of excitement in her voice.

>>25119259
Then we are probably done here.

>Didn't release a list of abilities
We need to do this, but we should be careful. The nobles are mostly demon worshipers and some abilities are limited to actual demons, not human mages as we pretend to be, so the list should be mostly powers that are actually possible for a human mage with no demon only powers.

Basically my idea is to claim our primary focus is combat magics, and say the list of those is classified (for Lady Langly's eyes only; and whomever she deems need to know). The fun part is almost all controls can count as combat magics so any new one we learn... oh that is stuff we knew all along.

We will however claim some utility specific spells (and if something specific is highly requested and available in the library we can obviously learn that too).

I think we should invest in getting some healing ASAP since there is not a single magical healer in the city, much less the party. (and no, we won't become a dedicated healer but even if we get one we should still know some healing control... if only for the quality of life improvement of becoming immune to disease, at the moment we are no more resilient then a mortal to illness)

Official List of Powers:
1. Combat Magics, specifics classified. (full list known to lady langly)
2. Divination (the human mage version of the loom spell).
3. Healing (spent the XP to buy this before releasing the list).
4. If a ritual is described in enough detail in the castle's library, we can learn to cast it... just make an official request (the more nobles sign up on a petition for a specific ritual the more priority it will receive).

>>25119322
Oh, I forgot one... magical communication (via messenger imp summoning).

>>25119322

Ability list? I did release that. Do you mean skill list?

>>25119322
Or, we could start finding rituals that we can fake with controls. For instance, we could put "rudimentary (visual only) illusions" on our resume and fake a relevant ritual while just using Light control, or create a scurrying ritual once we break into Spatial control. We should learn a few rituals and enlightened mortal appropriate spells for our cover though.

>>25119365
He means we haven't released our ability list as head mage.

>>25119365
He means the official record of our abilities as head mage filed with the Langy's relevant office.

>>25119393
>>25119401

Oh derp.

>>25119259
(Sorry Erika, couldn't resist.)

"I think I can find the time for that, I'm always interested in the education of my students.

If any of you either need anything just let me know."

I can't think of anything else to take care of with them, bid them farewell after a bit, hug them goodbye, and go check on Mina and the Doctor, see how his Alchemy stuff is going on, and we can pick up flying from Mina.

>>25119259
Lessons with Amanda time!

>>25119416
I know it's in the last thread, but you might want to add DP stats to Erika and character sheets.

>>25119388
That is a pretty good idea. Although we need to find a balance between having too many and too few powers, we don't want to be pestered but we don't want to be petitioned out of office.

By saying there is a classified list of combat specific powers... that keeps things simpler and also explains why the list of utility powers is short.

I am not too keen on making it public that we can do illusions (as it greatly reduces the effectiveness of actual illusions if people know they exist).

>>25119451
We have to wait until she's off work, but we should find out when that is and set up a time.

>>25119470

Capital idea!

>>25119470
And Brodin. Don't think we had DP info on the rest of the party yet.

>>25119472

Scrying is likely going to be very popular with the nobles...
"I've lost my one-of-a-kind saphire necklace, please locate it for me"
"I want to know where <Rival noble here> is"
"My son has wandered off from the castle, where has he gone?"
....

>>25119259
I really want to say yes but we REALLY must get going with the paladin.

>>25119388
To further clarify (I am the one you reply to). The idea isn't to get as long a list of known rituals as possible, it is to minimize the amount of pestering we get from the nobles... while still being useful. We should keep the list as short as possible without coming off as useless. Hence the whole "we specialize in combat, and you can't know"... the few utilities listed are just so we don't upset them too much.

Healing is important because it garners tremendous good will and we might as well do it. Divination because we basically become a repository for secrets for the various nobles (what they want divined as well as the answers).

>>25119572
Yeah, if we can learn a simple scrying ritual for the nobles we're set up for good. That and the occasional messenger imp should keep them satisfied.

>>25119511

I mentioned last thread, but I added the DP information to Brodin's and Erika's sheets. You're free to spend the DP however you please.

Do note that with people like Brodin, he cannot learn all the controls compared to an Okarian or other Succubi.

>>25119484

I was about to say yea. Is there anything else you all want to cover or should I fast forward time a bit so Brooklyn can train? If so, is there anything else you want to do in the time while training?

NOTE: I am going by the list of abilities that was voted on in the last thread. You can see how the DP was spent at the bottom of Brooklyn's sheet.

>>25119495
Ok, two things. 1 - where does aura sight fall on our new abilities chart? 2 - does "wait a minute..." imply that we're going back to dicing for things?

>>25119596
We know 2 already.
1. demons only ritual that is always correct and gives full answers (loom read)(
2. A human mage knockoff version of the spell that removes the limit on how many times you can cast it a month but is not as good.

>>25119618

Aura sight is a magic. The less expensive kind. It is more narrow than other controls.

The reason why controls are so expensive is that some can mimic abilities.

Anyone objects to taking basic healing control?

>>25119631
Question Fate isn't really scrying, and we can't really use it for the nobles because it's suspiciously powerful and has the limit. The knockoff is just useless because it can give you wrong answers. I'm sure we can find something decent in the Langy Library.

>>25119697

nope. I am an advocate of each of the controls to basic...

>>25119697
Right now? Yes. We have other stuff to deal with.

Also what day is it?

>>25119744

...Let's go with Thursday.

>>25119697
Yes. Its horribly expensive compared to other options. Don't splurg controls.

>>25119744
>We have other stuff to deal with.
I am not sure what you mean, we have enough DP to get it instantly.

>>25119796
>instantly
We still have to take time to train it, bro.

>>25119782
What options?

>>25119816
We already did that, that is what the DP represents. We took time to train in the past and as a result got DP to spend. At the moment WHAT we actually trained is unspecified.

>>25119796
No we don't actually.

>>25119816
I am >>25119829

IIRC brooklyn got most of her DP from spending some days training in <unspecified> in what is currently the past.

>>25119697
Yes. We just spent most of our DP for Brooklyn, let's open up Spatial Control and then boost our combat magic before the new threat arrives. We're prepping the Doc to be able to make healing potions, that should cover us for now.

>>25119848
According to the charsheet:
DP Expenditure:
Axe to Average
Willpower/Politics/Dodge to Good!
155/282

Getting a new control costs 100DP

>>25119869
160 actually, after out 20% xp reduction.

>>25119829
We haven't had any training time that didn't get us abilities yet.

>DP is gained by the experiences and trails of life. You can get it from just as easily from combat to courtly intrigue to figuring out P = NP. Using DP, one can raise their values up on their character sheets! So I just pass out numbers and you guys can vote how to spend them, rather than me typing up a long long list every time advancement comes around! It may be slow now, but once everyone starts doing more stuff the amount of DP will really kick up! But remember, learning things takes time!

>It's not only gained from training
>learning things takes time

>>25119869
>100DP
Are you sure? I thought it was 200DP but we got a 10% or 20% discount for being an Okarina?

>>25119924
IIRC it is 100 x level. So 100 for basic, 200 for next, etc.

>>25119909
>learning things takes time!
Which is represented by gaining DP which we then spend. Not by training to gain DP and then training again to SPEND the DP.

>>25119968

Actually for controls it is 200 + (Current level x 75) DP.

>>25119968
During the timeskip we got a bunch of skills and also water control. We also got DP. We can spend it to train some more skills which would get us DP back because we're training.

>>25119909
Ok, this actually hits one of my points of confusion. Does studying or training still directly raise skills (and if so, do we get a DP discount for pursuing a relevant activity?)? Or can we bank a bunch of DP studying, then spend it on something completely unrelated, like dodging? Sorry, it just seems weird that we might be able to double dip on what to me is training exp...

>>25119993
Exactly. So repeatedly paying that first 200 XP is a bad idea, especially since we will be totally unable to use them in combat. If we want to be immune to natural issues its far better to spend the DP to instead boost our endurance high enough to laugh at any environmental checks, while boosting our health.

>>25119869
>155/282
Does that mean we spent 155 out of 282 or we have 155 left?

>All this confusion
Man, that document explaining DP sure doesn't explain shit about DP.

>>25119993
Ok, thanks for clarifying. Then we don't have enough.
Can you add a doc to the thread starting with the DP price list/rules? Also for thread 1 there is a foolz link, would you mind adding it too in future threads?

Also, 155/282 means we spent 155 out of 282 or that we have 155 left out of 282?

>>25119968

Also no, you still need to train after spending DP. you don't need to train to get it. You need to do things to get it. Experience the challenges of life. DP in a way is the character learning how to apply his skills to meet the challenges his life demands.

>>25120030

If you wanted to study up on something like the King of Despair, then that'd give you DP as information about it is damn hard. Or learning a horribly hard magic/ritual for the first time.

>>25119444

For now, I am going with this.

>>25120076

That you spend 155 out of 282.

>>25120069

I try...

>>25120069
Where is that document? I don't see it linked in this thread

>>25120111
Replying to self, found it now.
it was here:
>>25116987

>>25120030
>you still need to train after spending DP
But you've credited us all those skillups (axe, dodge, politics, willpower) on the char sheet without spending any time on them?

>>25120111
He posted it here: >>25116987

>>25119968
So, hear me out here, is there an advantage to pre-allocating DP? Like, saying that the DP we earn studying Spatial Control will be used to unlock Spatial Control instead of boosting Light Control?

>>25120030

If Sandact wanted to expand the DP system, it could be split into 4 types of DP; Martial (Weapons, Dodging, Athletics, ect.), Magic (Controls, resistances, rituals, ect.), Knowledge (History, Demonology, Mathematics, ect.) and Social...

>>25120057
Right so we could spend 320 DP to get our get Control fire and control water, giving us protection against environmental threats. OR we could spend the DP to get to rank 7 endurance, giving us a massive boost to health and probably beating any related environmental checks anyway.

>>25120166
Can Sandact confirm that environmental threats can be beat by just rolling endurance?

did Dp completely supplant that the basic levels of the basic controls took 2-3 days training and that from basic to average took a day?

>>25120166
It wasn't worth it ever since the passives started scaling with level, the DP system is just the nail in the coffin for "get everything to basic for passives".

We already have water control, you probably mean air control.

One reason for dabbling with the other controls is to put 'spins' on our Darkness and Light attacks. Such as 'Burning Lasers' or 'Freezing Tentacles'...

>>25120057
>>25120166
Fire immunity lets us walk into a burning building. Lightening immunity let us grab a high power line with our bare hands. Earth lets us be unharmed when buried by an avalanche.
Endurance 7? It won't let us do any of those things.

>>25120269
>Fire immunity lets us walk into a burning building. Lightening immunity let us grab a high power line with our bare hands. Earth lets us be unharmed when buried by an avalanche.
You don't get the immunities until Average now though. Basic just gets you resistance. Getting everything to Average is more than double the cost again. It's really really not worth the points.

>>25120228

If your endurance is high enough, then you can ignore most of the effects of environmental threats. But keep in mind it is only mundane skill. You won't be swimming in lava without getting hurt. You'd need fire control for that.

It would however let you walk under a burning sun in the middle of a harsh desert far far better than most other people.

>>25120275
Remember that combined attacks are effective as the weakest of the two elements.

>>25120315
>You don't get the immunities until Average now though. Basic just gets you resistance. Getting everything to Average is more than double the cost again. It's really really not worth the points.
that depends on how points are rewarded

>>25120144
You know what, the DP system came about from wanting to make things easier for sandact...
So, just a suggestion here but how about NOT giving out general DP for study and practice. Hear me out here.

Give DP for combat, etc. let that DP be spent during downtime.
But if we are studying something, then rather then getting general DP have it go directly to DP towards something specific... aka "DP for upgrading darkness control" for example.

>>25120315
that is for magical immunity, not for environmental threats, like burning building, etc.

>>25120324

Oh, my apologies then. Have been messing with stacking bonus systems...

I submit to the will of the hivemind...

>>25120270
It was never worth it.

>>25120315
>Average is too expensive to be worthwhile
>Swim in lava
>Be immune to an avalanche.
I don't think its quite as useless as you make it out to be.

Also, it should be worth noting that every level of control increases our resistance to the magic used by our opponents.
Articus is water mage and his known underling lords include fire and lightening. If they attack us we get resistance to that too using control.

>>25120351
Wrong.

>Water Control (Basic) (Our sheet)
>Resistance to natural cold. Freezing temperatures feel chilly to you. Minor
resistance to supernatural based cold.

>Water Control (Average) (Ada's sheet)
>Immune to natural extremely cold temperatures. Resistance to
supernaturally based cold/water attacks.

>>25120379
It is, we get other benefits from basic, than just resistance to environmental stuff.

>>25120379
>It was never worth it.
yes it was and the cold immunity is still worth it because we actually need some form of cold immunity to go farther north

>>25120379
Are you really trying to start an argument about something that is completely irrelevant now?
It totally did used to be worth it.

I don't get this immense resistance to getting healing magic.
Yea our doc here is learning potions but that will take TIME and we won't always have a potion on us.
And there isn't a single magical healer in town... no wait there is one, the paladin and his magical healing HARMS demons.

I am not asking to make us a primary healer, we will still be primarily a combat mage, just have some ability to heal on the side. Like when we don't want someone we care about to die.

the 200 baseline for control does seem a bit steep considering how it was stated previously that basic and average control wasn't that dificult to achieve.

>>25120409
How much lava do you expect to need to swim in? Really? For those fire control ranks we could get another level in Darkness or Light, or shit-tons of skills.
When we're Queen-level and swimming in DP, sure. But it's not cost-effective at all.

>>25120514
What he said.

>>25120487
I think that can be resolved with my suggestion here

>>25120336
aka, spend days training to get DP specific to that.

>>25120514
I never expect to swim in lava, but I do expect house fires. Being able to just walk into/out of a house fire at will? awesome!.

>>25120514
The lava argument was a retort to "any immunity controls give can be replicated by endurance checks".

>>25120476
Because it still requires the time commitment and we need to boost our combat abilities for the incoming threat. Or, and are we sure that the elf magician doesn't know any healing magic? It might not be his specialty but I thought he knew a cant rip or two (designate him heal bitch and get him cramming spells).

>>25120476
The argument isn't even about healing magic any more.

>>25120487

Yea I had a problem with scaling. I have little idea how to price these things. I was mainly throwing darts and hoping for the best.

>>25120604
any healing he has is probably tainted against demons

I wonder if healing control could help with ada's carpal tunnel... I bet it would.

Also, if we get it high enough could regrow Mina's arm (the magic beam poison prevents it from regenerating NOT from being magically healed)

>>25120642
... I vote arm regeneration tree.

>>25120634
And Brodin told us that the anti-demon taint is an add-on effect that can be removed. Maybe Leona would think differently about demons if she saw us being heal by church sanctioned magic without and the pain and physical damage...

>>25120573
>>25120560
Okay. Correction. Any immunity controls give that we will actually need to use can be replicated by endurance checks. I mean, nobody ever heard of a demon dying in a house fire. Especially not a really durable Demon Lord (who is also possibly going to get healing magic).

>>25120632
Controls are probably priced fine. A cost against generalization is probably a good idea.
>>25120709
You forgot that we are getting space control, which makes house fires irrelevant anyway.

So... we got caught up in a debate on how to spend DP that we don't even have...

Currently Amanda is asking us for a lesson... I really do want to but we REALLY have to kill the paladin ASAP. Can we at least try the cursed sword plan already?

Also we really need to list our spells officially. And we need to either participate in the fight again the paladin OR have a convenient excuse to not be there when it happens

>>25120642
Magic tainted limb regrowth is probably not an option at basic though. How far do typos want to delved down the tree time wise? A week? Two weeks?

>>25120724
>You forgot that we are getting space control, which makes house fires irrelevant anyway.
How so?

>>25120744
teleport

>>25120744
Spatial shielding = heat barrier I assume. Or just teleport whatever you're trying to save (includes self) out of the burning building in question.

>>25120762
Which is completely and utterly useless for us to rescue strangers, documents, books, etc etc etc from a fire.

wait... did you honestly think I meant "don't get killed by a fire you are caught in"? Did you not notice the walk INTO a fire part?

>>25120736
What was the cursed sword plan?

[1/2]

Sorry Erika, couldn't resist.

"I think I can find the time for that, I'm always interested in the education of my students. If any of you either need anything just let me know." you say to the girls. “But for now I must depart. I have some friends of mine to check up on.”

“Take care Lady Sara.” Leona and Erika respectfully say to you.

“I shall await your return.” Amanda says with you, though the blush on her face helps make some of her intentions clear.

You give all the girls a small hug before heading off to the doctor’s office to see if you can find Mina, and also check up on your friend the doctor.

******

You find an alleyway to shapeshift into before heading over to Dr. Gaterkin’s office. You can see him busy behind the desk in the waiting room while a small half eaten roast chicken is next to him.

“Hey Doc, enjoying yourself?” you ask leaning against the Doctor’s desk.

“Hardly. One man’s broken legs were held in place by crutches when he went to another doctor.” Dr. Gaterkin says as he signs a doctor.

“I bet he was fit as a fiddle after seeing you. So did you manage to get that letter after?” You ask Dr. Gaterkin.

Dr. Gaterkin holds up a letter with a broken Langy Family seal on it. “Came this morning. Just opened it now. With this I now have permission to do Alchemy experiments.”

“Oh I’m s-”

>>25120796
Or we teleport the fire out of the building...

[2/2]

“And now I can continue my experiments. Hm... I wonder how Mina’s tissue sample will react to acid with a slight bit of pyroclastic empowerment...” Dr. Gaterkin says thinking to himself.

Oh right. You forgot about this side to him. “I... Think that misses the point of that license.”

“Correct. I should be using life control aether to see if I can weaken the flesh then use acid, but I’m forced to improvise in this case.” Dr. Gaterkin says.

“Speaking of Mina, is she here now?” you ask.

“No. She went home with her male companion.” Dr. Gaterkin. “Mr. LaCroix.”

Uh, it looks like the Adventurers must have their own place or something now. “Do you have their address?”

“Certainly. I keep it with me in case I need to send a messenger out for Mina’s aid.” Dr. Gaterkin says writing down an address on a small slip of paper. Uh, it’s near the same place you used to live.

“So are you going to have any trouble installing that new Alchemy plant?” you ask the Doctor.

“I was about to head out this afternoon and talk to some construction workers about expanding the clinic. Anything extremely sensitive I can handle myself.” Dr. Gaterkin replies.

>>25120796
Teleport in, teleport out with the stranger/book/whatever. Take minimal/insignificant damage.
Us being fire immune doesn't make things we're holding fire immune. Teleportation is actually better for rescues.

>>25120796
teleport in, grab strangers/documents, teleport out
use water control to put the fire out

spending 200 DP so we can better rescue people from fires is a omplete waste

>>25120840
>>25120873
Spatial control works on familiarity, it is trivial to teleport to your home on the other side of the world, it is utterly impossible to teleport into a house you have never been in before.

>>25120840
This is true.
>>25120873
It's more, air control would probably be required for smoke inhalation .

>>25120821
>Teleport the fire out of the building
Spatial control can't do that.

>>25120873
>Water control to put out the fire
This is actually sensible. Would damage books though, but snuffing the fire with air control would kill the people. So you need both air and water.

>>25120897
Or just healing

>>25120896
And then you have light control to see inside the building, water control to douse the flames and make ice/darkness/light shields for anyone/anything trapped inside

>>25120897
hold our breath using superior demon constitution? (Demonic Resilience)
send darkness tentacles into the house to rescue them
Send Soligrams

Common guys, we don't need control over everything, we already have a diverse skill set, we should focus on upgrading that first

>>25120832
>"I should be using life control aether..."
We need to get this man's life story, I seriously am wondering if he's actually a demon masquerading as an orc/whatever.

>>25120896
It works on metaspacial links. We don't have to have the link ourself. We follow the link from the crying person outside to their trapped relative, or from whoever wants the documents to their documents.

>>25120987
Space control would allow us to cast spells on people that are on the other side of the world.

>>25120987
Agreed, any small passive from a control can be already done with smart use of our abilities.

>>25120987
I agree, I'd prefer to focus in darkness and light with space and fate as minors instead of becoming jack of all trade master of none.

>>25120796
Ask Mina to go in, problem solved.

>>25120832
"Good to hear that you have everything under control, you need anything just let me know.

Thank you for doing this Doc, I appreciate it. You're a good guy, crazy, but still good.

You know an awful lot about this sort of thing. Mind me asking where you picked all of this up?"

Also, look at the Doc with Aura Sight.

We might want to pay Mina a visit later, check up on her, join her and Alex perhaps. Also a checkup on the rest of our minions might be worthwhile.

>>25120940
>Spatial control can't do that.
Oh? Spatial control can't be used to shift heat or oxygen around? You sure about that?

>>25120804
We use our ritual that makes 1 shot cursed items to make a cursed sword.
Ada arranges for paladin to acquire it and break out. During the fight he is hopefully killed (curse is a one shot and leaves no trace after it triggers, turns an injury into a critical injury, hopefully a fatal one).

It might even be possible for ada to deliver the finishing blow herself if the demon's are far enough away when he makes his escape (aka, he died fighting the mortal guards).

Our other alternative is to set up some sort of ambush and have ada send him on his way. But the 2 demons will get an escort of a company of mercs until they reach the point where its too cold for humans to survive.

If we attack at that location we must have cold immunity, which actually we can get just by wearing the armor (since armor is +1 rank to water control, we have rank 1 so it brings us up from basic to average which grants immunity).

Alternatively, perhaps we could simply subvert the merc company BEFORE sending them on their way and have the mercs turn on them. The problem with that is that it might be traced back to ada.

We could get the ghosts to attack perhaps...

Or... maybe if the paladin's ex friends get in and rescue him, killing the 2 demon guards and then going back to cave (queens re-tweak their memories and paladin is eaten for aether). problem is that it might reflect poorly on the newly appointed ruler, ada.

>>25120940
Oh, last thought on the fire. Could we use light control to redirect all the infrared radiation the fire's putting out somewhere safe. Hell, can't we directly shield ourself from infrared, so we'd only have to worry about direct physical contact with heated materials, which any kind of magic based physical barrier could deal with?

>>25121053
Seriously read the description of spatial control.
It does not make barriers, it does not let you teleport into strange buildings you were never in, it does not let you TK anything you want even on the atomic level (aka, remove oxygen while leaving the rest of the gaseous air), it does not let you teleport people you never met out of a building, it does not let you teleport unspecified items out of a building (all the books in that building, i don't know which)

Spatial control is not "anything you can imagine to do with space/time"

>>25120832
Let Mina have her 'alone time' with 'Mr. LaCroix'. Now that we know that the gears are in motion to get her all fixed up, we can sort out setting up a personal Laboratory/Safe-house, also replacing our wardrobe and getting a nice, Proper tea set... Maybe get the Twins a 'Congratulations on becoming Succubi' presents...

>>25120632

General rule of thumb with leveling is exponential curves...

For example, a common equation used is x(L^L)
so if L=level, and x=50,
Level 1 = 50
Level 2 = 200
Level 3 = 1350...

This method has a rather steep increase in cost, but it can reflect the difficulty in understanding, creating and manipulating the skill in question. Other equations use multiple variables to provide the curve, but this one is the simplest to follow. It also helps to reflect the growth in power, as the more power one has, the easier it becomes to acquire power...

>>25121140
You are confusing black body radiation (head being radiated as light, mostly in a vacuum) with kinetic energy, over 99% of the heat is atmospheric convection not infra-red radiation.

>>25121147
Because space control can't do anything beyond Basic level. Of course.

>>25121113
I'd rather we be able to kill him from a distance before chancing his release to the wild. I suppose y'all aren't willing to wait until we unlock spatial control to trigger this chain of events?

>>25121195
Nope. Getting space control to a high enough level for that is way too long to wait.

>>25121173
Yea I noticed that higher levels are way too cheap right now.

When it was training it was "3 day for new control, 1 day to upgrade from basic to average, then 3 days, then weeks, then months or years".

But now level 20 is just 200 + 75*20 = 1700DP
which is only 8.5x as long as learning a new control.

>>25121173

A power could make more sense yea. I'll see if I can fiddle around with something like that.

>>25120832
Leave Mina to her training or 'training' with Alex, for now. Did we assign Linda (our maid) a curriculum to start studying yet? We also need to do a skill evaluation on her at some point.

>>25121193
>Because space control can't do anything beyond Basic level. Of course.
Oh put a sock in it. You are arguing space control is an ur control that can do everything and anything, including things it explicitely states it cannot do.

Space control lets us do some amazing things. we could teleport our corpse back to us or vice versa, or we could utterly destroy our corpse whereever it is at right now with a spell cast from our home.

Heck, we could teleport! that is HUGE... but its not a "do everything power"

>>25121173
That's a terrible equation. I think that the current figure is much better.

>>25121239

You didn't assign her any readings yet no.

>>25121259
I agree.

>>25121243
>You are arguing space control is an ur control that can do everything and anything, including things it explicitely states it cannot do.
We straw man now?
You're arguing that space control summons pink fluffy bunnies. It doesn't. You lose.

>>25121259
What about
>>25121214
And keep in mind that at level 4 our darkness control lets us summon a giant tentacle the size of a skyscraper that can proceed to tear it down

>>25121276
>We straw man now?
No, i did not misrepresent your argument
>You're arguing that space control summons pink fluffy bunnies
Fuck you you condenscending shithole.

>>25121214
The reason why switched to the new system was because the old system for controls was terrible and required excessive timeskips. Don't try to roll that shit back for gods sake.

>>25121147
See burning building. Light a match, throw that into the existing fire. You now have a meta-spatial link to the fire.

See where I'm going with this?

>>25121303
>No, i did not misrepresent your argument
If you're not doing it on purpose then you need to learn some reading comprehension.

>>25121287
I see no problem with it, as long as the DP doesn't increase as fast as it does.

>>25121335
Yea, you are totally pulling bs out of your ass that explicitly doesn't work as per the description of the control

>>25121259
Agreed much better. It sharply penalizes over generalization. I think that the scaling figure might want to be increased, but the initial barrier to entry should be hefty, extremely so.

>>25121259

I give you that it uses increasing powers, though having fixed powers, while less exponential, would provide a gentler curve...

x(L^2), x=50
lv1 = 50
lv2 = 200
lv3 = 450
...

x(L^3), x=50
lv1 = 50
lv2 = 400
lv3 = 1350
...

>>25121305
The change was not to reduce timeskips but to make things "simpler" and allow awarding of combat XP.

I am not "trying" anything. The actual POWER of a spell grows exponentially while the cost grows linearly with a slope of 1.375x

Darkness level 1: human sized tentacles
Darkness level 4: Skyscraper sized
Darkness level 20: larger then a planet and easily achievable with a trivial cost under current DP rules

>>25121375
New entrance is much to easy. with those curves add 200 -300 point increase in the initial value that isn't squared and we might be talking. Would probably still need to be higher though.

>>25121375
L^2 seems about right to me, but I think learning a control for the first time should be difficult and the current 200GP buy-in per-discount seems about right to me.

>>25121413
You COULD just make a rule that 1 costs extra.
Like, 3x multiplier on level 1 or just an arbitrary +150DP for the first level.

So you use the equation for all levels other then 1.
Remember earlier it took 3 days to learn something new, then 1 day to upgrade it from level 1 to level 2, then 3 days again to upgrade it from level 2 to level 3.

>>25121346
Here is the actual description.
>The first thing that the book lays clear for you is that in the magical world, the concept of “here” or “there” is useless and inadequate. Space can be more clearly defined in a way as a large loom of sorts, in where each string represents something. Now whenever someone sees, touches, or experiences something directly with his senses, his string is literally touching the object of the other. At that point you cannot literally get any closer to that object in question metaphysically. However it is when one moves away from an object that things begin to get more muddled. From then on, it all depends on how well the caster is able to visualize the target in his mind. If you do not possess an image or information on your target, than absolutely no space magic will work, period. But if you know someone you’ve known your entire life, than you are able to use space magic on them rather easily. This is called a metaspacial relationship. End result is the more familiar you are with a target (Be it a person, place, or thing), then the greater your success in space magic will be and the more effective it is. It isn’t based on how well you LIKE a person, but rather how well you know them. So even a deep seated fury on a subject works just as well as the more enamoured love.
(cont)

>>25121441
Pre-discount, not per-

>>25121413
That still makes new entrance too easy in my opinion. Eventually, people will be able to learn all the basics for no cost.

>>25121464
>At the beginner level of space control you’d be able to such things as detect exactly how well one person knows another in terms of a metaspacial relationship, see 360 degrees, see around corners, detect spatial relationships (such as when object is overlapping another in realspace), make accurate mental maps of your entire surroundings (including where people are, where an arrow came from, etc... Sharing a lot in common with Old World ‘Radar’), and the ability to track objects in your immediate area flawlessly.

We can see through the wall. We can form a perfect mental image of the person we're trying to save because they're right fucking there. We can teleport to them.

"Good to hear that you have everything under control, you need anything just let me know. You're a good guy, crazy, but still good.” you ask the doctor while turning on Aether sight. “You know an awful lot about this sort of thing. Mind me asking where you picked all of this up?"

You can tell that the doctor’s aura colour is a violet (joy) colour. “I spend a lot of my spare time reading. I’m interested to see if I can try to replicate some of the magical effects of certain types of controls with Alchemy. Really the whole field interests me in general so I often spent quite a lot of time reading up on that.”

“Fair enough. See you later doc.” you say giving a small wave as you exit the clinc.

You wonder what things you can do now. You can do such things as visit Mina and the other Adventurers, go back to your castle and probably get fitted for some more clothing, begin your training, shop for a gift for the merchant girls for becoming Succubi...

...Oh right, they are leaving soon aren’t they? You’d probably need to get on that...

Oh, after buying more tea supplies of course.

>>25121375
if L=0
L1 costs 200

If L>0
x(L^2), x=50

lv1 = 200
lv2 = 200
lv3 = 450
lv4 = 800
lv5 = 1250
...

>>25121498

I could jack the price up for how much it costs to learn at basic.

>>25121413
>>25121441

So we are looking at x(L^2) where L=Current Level, and the entry price is fixed at 300?

Although, based on what Sandact said about Space and Time control, they might use the x(L^3) equation to represent their Complexity...

>>25121464
So, the more valuable the contents (that we are aware of) of a burning building are to us, the more we are empowered to save them. Conversely, if we have no vested interest in preserving anything about to be consumed by flame, the greater the personal risk we will have to take to save it. Right?

>>25121517
I think we should visit Mina, as I have no idea what to get them for gifts and Mina should be able to help us with that.

After that we'll go shopping!

>>25121498
Yes, but at that point we will be a Okarian demon lord, so we should probably have most types of magic.

>>25121517
If we get gifts for the twins, matching tail ribbons and horn warmers sound nice.

Is there a way we can make those so that we don't raise suspicions?

>>25121550
We're an Okarian demon lord now.

>>25121531
you have to reorganize the entire system or people who don't rely on controls will massacre people who do. Keep it at its current level.

>>25121531
Probably add Fate to that list.

>>25121499
It says you can see around corners not see through walls.

And as I said the claims of being able to make "force field shields", to have TK subtle enough to remove the oxygen from the air while leaving the rest of the gasses, to teleport a FIRE out of a building, etc are all not there. Oh, and gaining a metaspatial relationship with a fire through throwing a match into it.

>>25121575
Yes, i meant we will have the power of an Okarian demon lord, at the moment we're as powerful as a normal Okarian, but we can get more powerful very fast

>>25121528
Only if you jack it up to a level that stops people from buying them all. Maybe an increasing price for learning new controls?

>>25121544
Actually it explicitly states that how much you care about it doesn't matter... what matters is how well you KNOW it.
Someone you utterly loathe but are very familiar with? you can save.
Someone you love and are very familiar with? you can save
Someone or something you know is extremely important but have only a passing familiarity with? you can't

>>25121574
Remember it takes the wings, horns and tail a while to fully develop.

>>25121592
The house is not fucking airtight. There are corners to see around. And that's only at basic when we can't teleport anyway, presumably the radar gets better as we level up. Short range hops are easy.

>>25121574

"Why hello Sir winter clothesmaker sir! In addition to your listed rate, please take this large bag of gold coins. It is a gift, and in no way payment for services rendered that neither of us shall discuss to others!"

>>25121609
We learn things a bit more quickly and have a larger mana pool. I'm still unconvinced that the "very fast" is going to be "fast enough to save us..."

>>25121652
A closed door is not a corner. It says you can see through corners not through the crack under a door.

Also, teleporting sounds aether consuming... fire immunity is a passive. And putting the fire out with water is going to be way way cheaper then teleporting every single valuable thing out one by one.

>>25121659
Buy the damned clothes, skip to the talk with Amanda. Maybe that will actually cause people to pay attention

So as an Okarian we get 20% discount on magic.
What do get as a Demon Lord? DP gain multiplier?

>>25121718
Honestly, who gives a fuck about firefighting?

>>25121609
You know, how powerful ARE we compared to run of the mill okarian?
I mean, we have been one for days... yes we learn faster but one who was trained in their secret sanctum for 50 years? Yea they are going to wipe the floor with us.

>>25121741
All the people arguing about the mechanics of it.

>>25121517
Go speak to ada, we need to discuss getting rid of the paladin.

>>25121659
Because that doesn't raise any red flags or anything...

>>25121741
This.

>>25121659

"I would like to order some Cloths my good sir [After completing the order, you will forget about it]. <insert list of clothing, including designs for Concealable Wing-Slits and Horn & Tail warmers> [you will do this now]"

>>25121528
Why bother with this higher entrance price crap?
If you don't want people to learn all the controls, then just put a hard limit on how many controls one can know.
Make it possible to increase that limit by gaining power and you are done.

>>25121741
>Honestly, who gives a fuck about firefighting?
The argument isn't about firefighting it is about the capabilities of spatial magic.

Uh... So far we have one for Mina, one for Ada, and one Amanda.

We still have five hours before Amanda gets off her shift in case people need to know.

>>25121723
Agreed we need to do that thing we agreed last thread.
>>25121769
Put on a damned firefighting suit that we have our science chick decide. Problem solved.

>>25121884
Go visit Mina, we'll go shopping afterwards.

>>25121718
The crack under the door has many corners. Just putting the fire out with Water Control is undoubtedly better than teleportation, I'm just saying we could do it that way. We could also use an army of soligrams who are illusions and don't burn (or darkness constructs which probably don't burn either) to go in and grab everything. Any of those viable solutions involve things we already have or plan on getting and do not involve wasting massive amounts of points on fire immunity.

>>25121884
Amanda. Lets get that over with asap.

>>25121792
If she isn't busy (she is running the town for us, and the previous management was just brutally murdered by us, so the political transition is probably a bit rough...). Otherwise let's take a number and see what Linda's skill set looks like. We're also going to need to round up a raider tribe for Amanda's transformation at some point.

>>25121885
Nobody is arguing the FIREFIGHTING the are arguing the MECHANICS OF MAGIC.

People are trying to backtrack with "hurr nobody cares about firefighting" now that their utter nonsense about spatial control has been disproven.

1. Visit Mina (assuming she is not naked)
2. Check with Ada about PLANS
3. Gifts
4. Hot for teacher

>>25121937
She is always busy, but this takes a priority because if articus gets him its a potential game over.

>>25121868
Hopefully it'll be finished by nightfall.

>>25121946
Why would Mina being naked stop us from visiting her?

>>25121884
Amanda. I want that discussion done soon.

>>25121884
Go see Mina. She also saved the twins, so we should get her in on their transformation.

>>25121876
Because its not supposed to be banned forever. We are supposed to EVENTUALLY learn all of them as a proper master of magic.

There are already banned things like psionics.

Honestly I am not even sure the "extra cost" is there for a mechanical advantage (learning a bunch of different controls even if it is cheap is not advantageous) rather then a realism thing (just picking up something completely different is harder).

>>25121939
We were arguing about getting passives. The firefighting was brought up as an example of where a fire immunity would be useful. You're the one who went on a retarded space magic crusade and sidetracked everything.

>>25121946
This with the modification here -> >>25121983

>>25121992
We went to see mina already and were told she went to fuck a guy in the privacy of their home.
Don't go barging in on them, we will see her when she is done.

I vote amanda

>>25122040
Dude, we've got 5 fucking hours to kill between now and then.

At least choose to go shopping or accomplish something between now and then.

>>25122014
>You're the one who went on a retarded space magic crusade and sidetracked everything.
No, the guys thinking space magic does anything and everything are the ones who started that "sidetrack".
I want spatial magic, it is the most awesome magic we have... but it doesn't do certain things.

>>25122001
>(learning a bunch of different controls even if it is cheap is not advantageous
yes it is just look at water control. thanks to basic water control we cannot be drowned

>>25121983
Because if she's naked she's naked WITH Alex.

>>25121992
not mina.

>>25121989
Agreed. The sooner we have that discussion the better.

>>25122060
Everything does everything if you get it to a high enough level.

>>25122064
and before someone says that's a useless power most of our current enemies have water control

>>25122064
Do not forget the great boon it provides to our quest for the perfect tea...


I think Visit Mina, If she's not busy, we go shopping, then see what time it is...

>>25122001
Pretty much this. We could spend 2-3 months getting every control to basic, and get one-shotted by an experienced pride daemon knight or serious succubus, or we can get 1-2 versatile controls leveled to the point that we are actually dangerous in a fight.

>>25122064
Opportunity cost. Yes it useful but there are other useful things to buy that help more. Especially in combat

>>25122122
Magical attacks using water control from an enemy are not "mundane" and we only get a small resistance to them (which can grow to a large resistance with levelup).

>>25122122
It's not useless. On it's own it's nowhere near worth it though. Luckily water control is more than just that.

>>25122088
So we spice things up for them with some tentacles, and pull Mina out once Alex starts screaming in terror.

>>25121989
>>25122102
And in the 5 hours until then?

>>25122177
>implying Alex wouldn't enjoy it
>implying we wouldn't get dragged into a threesome
>implying the thread wouldn't be drowned in the shitstorm about sleeping with guys

>>25122220
Yea, I don't think we are ready to sleep with a guy yet.

>>25122209
Timeskip!

>>25122220
>implying we wouldn't run away?

>>25122209
Don't care, as long as it doesn't take much time IRL.

>>25122248
So what's the point of going in in order to run away? Just let Mina have her fun.

>>25122135
Exactly.. now, since we are immortal we will eventually spend those 2-3 months... But is it going to be right now? a year from now? 10? 100?

Right now we should focus on a few things for combat effectiveness.

>>25122248
So you want to cockblock her and then run away?

If we're going to timeskip I vote doing it reading in the Langy Library. Maybe get some useful rituals or learn more about space control or what angels eat.

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>>25122167
>>25122175

>Magical attacks using water control from an enemy are not "mundane" and we only get a small resistance to them (which can grow to a large resistance with levelup).
if you control water the easiest way to kill someone that doesn't is holding a bubble of water around the targets head

>>25122227
Well, we are identifying as a lesbian last time I checked, so yeah I have to agree with this.

>>25122327
Ha, not...
You slightly shift less then one ounce of water in their brain to cause a blood vessel to burst.

But immunity to drowning does not protect us from having our head enveloped by magical water, because the water is magically charged and as such our water control provides mere resistance instead of total immunity.

>>25122326
If I counted correctly there are only 2 votes for timeskip to amanda meething and at least 3 votes gainst it wanting us to do various other productive things until thing.

>>25122397
immunity to drowning would protect us from drowning in that scenario.

>>25122426
I counted like 5.

>>25122426
Good. Just saying because they don't seem to care what we do in it so we might as well make that option productive too.

>>25122397
>>25122434
So he gets a +15 stunt to his roll. The horror. Remember how the system works people.

>>25122434
the immunities are against mundane effects not magical attacks. If someone held our head in a bucket of water we wouldn't drown, if they magically summoned water to drown us then we would passively resist drowning in the magical water longer then normal. the explicit explanation is "the attack spell is suffused with aether with breaches resistances".
Same with fire, immune to mundane fire but magically summoned fire can bypass our immunity

>>25122446
hence i said at least 3, i stopped counting when i saw the clear majority.

>>25122512
I counted at least 5 voting for the timeskip and or voting for amanda.

>>25122397
>You slightly shift less then one ounce of water in their brain to cause a blood vessel to burst.
that's blood control.
>But immunity to drowning does not protect us from having our head enveloped by magical water, because the water is magically charged and as such our water control provides mere resistance
our head would still be enveloped but as we can breathe water it wouldn't end us... of couse this ignores the obvious next step for the Water controller which is freeze that water sphere.

>>25122327

How about you one up that by forcing water down the targets lungs to the point where the water pressure would make their lungs explode?

You'd be immune to drowning, but it won't save you when your internal organs rupture from pressure.

Or be a dick and attempt to freeze the water in their lungs.

>>25122552
Whelp, there went our Dark/Light specialization...

>>25122547
>that's blood control.
1. Interstitial fluid
2. Cerebrospinal fluid
3. Only the water part of the blood... or do you claim that having solutes renders water incontrollable? because unless it is distilled water contains stuff. And even if it was a limit on how much it can contain we can move tea around so water control has no such limit.

I imagine the only protection against that would be "ownership field" that must be overcome. Something that is only an issue really when fighting magical opponents

the immune to drowning thing is still useful to us as there is an Anti-Demon Mech currently sat at the bottom of a lake... a lake which, with we could search indefinitely for the Mech's location...

>>25122618
no it's the Aether in the Human(or demon as the case may be) body that interferes sand has gone over this before

>>25122618
Fucking hell this is all pointless. Describing your attack gets you a maximum bonus of 15 on a 1d100 roll, less than the +20 bonus each rank in a control grants you. It doesn't fucking matter.

>>25122552
How about push 1 single ounce of water into their trechea and then creating a frozen seal inside that prevents them from breathing :)

>>25122664
This pay attention to the rules you idiots.

>>25122663
>no it's the Aether in the body that interferes
Aka "ownership field". completely standard solution to "I make a 3mm incision in a vein inside their brain"

>>25122686
Where are these rules?

>>25122686
>>25122664
I am >>25122618

it was a retort against an argument that the most efficient attack is to summon a sphere of water around someone's head. I am the guy who keeps on saying you can't just "magic win" against an opponent because they have resistance.

[1/3]


Ah! Mina! She’ll know what to get them! In addition she can help you shop around the town for new clothes with you new budget!

“Abuse of new privileges ho!” you announce as you head off towards the address that Dr. Gaterkin gave you.

******

After a brisk walk to head on over to the address that Dr. Gaterkin gave you. You look over the dome like house before giving a few hard knocks on the door. You heard nothing at first, before then giving a few harder knocks.

“Un moment s'il vous plaît!” Alex’s voice rings out in the room as you can hear him going over to the door. As he opens up the door, you can see him dressed in what appears to be a housecoat. “Oh! Madame Brooklyn! What a surprise!”

“Hey Alex.” You say giving him a small wave.

“Oh! Brooklyn’s here!?” You can hear Mina say behind Alex.

“Hey Mina!” you say calling out to her.

“Brooklyn!” Mina says as you can quickly hear her running over to you. She nearly tackles you down as she gives you a big hug with her one arm. “Ooohhh! I’ve missed you so much!”

“Mina! Your clothing!” you point out to her, indicating that she’s buck naked at the moment. You can only see Alex sighing with a smile on his face.

“Well then come on in silly!” Mina says dragging you into the house with her one arm.

“Then put on some damn clothes at least!” you protest as you make a simple soligram housecoat for her.

“Oh thanks!” Mina says spinning around with her housecoat on. It is then you notice Mina’s hair at the moment is rather frizzy...

[2/3]

“Am I... Interrupting something?” you ask both Mina and Alex.

Both Mina and Alex appear to be wearing shit eating grins on their mouths as they glance a look at eat other.

“Oh... Nothing too important.” Alex replies. “Besides it is nice to have company once in a while. I would offer something but... Right now we are just moving in ourselves.”

“Hm... I see that.” you say looking around the house. You can see that upon closer inspection it is bigger than your old place but it has the same structure. However aside from the beds it appears there isn’t much else to this place. Clothing is mainly in a pile off in one section of the house while the rest of the house shows a complete and utter lack of anything else.

“...Uh... Well at least you got a place to live. These places retain heat really well, and is probably the main reason I bought one despite the size of them.” you reply to Alex.

“Oui. We just need to... spice things up a bit persay.” Alex replies.

“So Brooklyn, what brings over here!?” Mina asks sitting down on the bed.

“Well considering that I’m now the Royal Mage of Fort Hope with a big fat allowance to do what I want, I was wondering if you’d like to go out to do some shopping with me.” you reply to Mina.

“What!? You’re now the Royal Mage!?” Alex gasps in astonishment.

You can only nod with a large smile on your face.

“Good for you Brooklyn!” Mina says giving you a big hug.

“TOO TIGHT TOO TIGHT!” you reply to Mina.

“Oops! Sorry!” Mina says backing away from her tight hug.

I am >>25122749
I was also the one saying you can't just "magic immunity" against such an attack... which was confirmed by >>25122552

Basically attack vs resistance. because its magic. Immunity is for when you are going to swim in a non magical lake

[3/3]

“No offense, but how do you manage to do anything perverted at all without breaking anyone’s pelvis!?” you ask as you get your breath back.

“...Well there was this one time when I was younger... Broke a guy’s pelvis by accident...” Mina says looking at the ceiling.

Both you and Alex only stare at Mina in abject horror.

“...So how about that trip!” Mina says breaking the silence. “Was there anything special you wanted to do on it!?”

>>25122797
Nope. Shopping trip until we meet amanda and have THE TALK

>>25122796
you missunderstood, you are still immune to drowning, but of course not immune to other effects water over your head can have.
Which was my >>25122434 point.

>>25122779
I forgot, who is alex?

>>25122814
What talk? we are meeting her for a lesson.

>>25122814
sounds good to me.

>>25122870

Alex is the Fighter of the Adventurer group.

>>25122797
"Well I need a new tea set, and given my allowance I can splurge on it and get the best one available. I need to find some gifts for the Twins, you ought to be able to help with that. Some practical stuff like bags, travel gear, rope, pitons, survival gear, that sort of thing.

Maybe some candy because I haven't gotten it that often before. Other than that mainly just what catches my eye. Poor impulse control buying decisions are on the menu today."

>>25122814
What talk? Seriously, why do people seem to have a need to have a SERIOUS TALK when things are going just swell between us.