>>24842443
Is that Jeremy Clarkson in the 60s?

>>24842458
HA! He does bear an undeniable resemblance.

>>24842443
11 str
10 dex
12 con
18 int
9 wis
6 cha

>>24842443

Why low charisma? In DS:9, he's cleaning up behind "socially awkward medical genius" or Worf, and is everyone's best drinking buddy.

>>24842443

He has a hot japanese wife though, who is much younger than him. And all that in a post-scarcity society where money is out of the game.

Does anyone like whenever you find actors like these in movies and such?

>>24842494
Why the below-average wisdom?

>>24842514
>>24842504

I just think that he's down to earth. He rarely adjudicates or calls the shots by force of personality.

I think that reflects wisdom more than charisma.

>>24842494
Weren't women falling for this guy semi-regularly?
I know the Cardassian Engineer chick fell for him.

>>24842538

I kind of agree with low wisdom. He barely seemed to understand supply and demand until Nog explained it to him. He's good with technical things but kind of lousy with everything else.

He's obviously high-CHA, everyone on DS9 likes him and he became a fan favorite. And as others have pointed out, his wife is way out of his league. That gangster also took an immediate liking to him, as well as the first living thing they encounter from the Gamma Quadrant. Everyone who meets Miles likes him.

High INT makes sense because he's apparently largely self-taught as a technician and yet managed to serve in that capacity aboard the Federation flagship (where he scored his hot wife) but become chief engineer for one of the Federation's primary outposts and managed to stay there even after it become more important in the Dominion War.

>>24842596
So higher charisma than Geordi, definitely. He was so awkward with women it was painful.

>>24842538
Well, he did make a lot of unwise decisions and had problems with bigotry and basic fears, etc. I'd say he's very experienced and worldly, and has good common sense (especially compared with the do-gooder dumbasses on DS9), but I wouldn't say he's wise.

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>>24842615

Geordi's best friend was an android that didn't even have emotions. Geordi's charisma is so low it's painful.

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Alright, let's stat this dapper motherfucker.

>>24842644

Bald: Picard
Beard: Riker

He's clearly overpowered.

>>24842443
Str 10
Dex 14
Con 12
Int 16
Wis 12
Cha 12

He's got average strength, he can take a punch, and he has shown himself to be nimble running up and down all those ladders and slipping through Jefferies Tubes.

He's fairly intelligent, but not so much as Geordie, he is down to earth and common sense, and he's quite easy to talk to over a drink, and the ladies like him too, on occasion.

Boom, easy.

I'm going to say

14 str
10 dex
14 con
16 int
15 wis
16 cha

>>24842644
Str 12
Dex 12
Con 12
Int 15
Wis 16
Cha 20

Yes, he's that charismatic he breaks the system. He did persuade the likes of the Romulans to join in beating up the Dominion, the first time they'd allied with the Federation and Klingons.

>>24842615
Geordie:
Str 10
Dex 14
Con 10
Int 18
Wis 12
Cha 3

>>24842610
>as well as the first living thing they encounter from the Gamma Quadrant

Wasn't that a clever ruse?

An absolutely abysmal luck score.

Or the most vindictive DM.

>>24842644

10 str
10 dex
14 con (There are a couple episodes where he shrugs off massive trauma.)
12 int
15 wis
11 cha

>>24842688

You're thinking the first time they met the Vorta, or whatever they're called. The first thing from the Gamma Quadrant was that thing being hunted for sport. He and Miles became friends.

>>24842683
He didn't do any such thing.

He let Garak do all the work there. And there was no direct persuasion. He let a murder go unopposed.

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>>24842685
>3 cha
Best check yoself, nigga.

>>24842714

LeVar Burton is clearly 18 CHA. His character Geordi is incredibly low-CHA on the other hand.

So who would you say was/is the coolest, most-interesting, or otherwise greatest villain/antagonistic force in the Star Trek Universe?

I'd personally say the Dominion, but the Undine are growing on me.

>>24842743
If he counts as an antagonist (which is arguable in some cases) Garak,

>>24842743
Q.

Duh.

>>24842443
STRENGTH 7
DEXTERITY 8
ENDURANCE 6
INTELLIGENCE 9
EDUCATION 10
SOCIAL STANDING 8

Skills:
Transporter-4
Phaser-2
Brawling-1

Assets: 20,000 Cr, Spiffy uniform, wife.

>>24842764
>>24842751
These two niggas got it right.

>>24842662
damn Mary Sue, that is so broken

>>24842504
Hes a medical Genius? I never even knew what his job was in TNG besides being the token Irish guy.

>>24843093

The medical genius is Bashir. That poster was saying he's more charismatic than Bashir and Worf.

Arguably he and Sisko would be tied for CHA. Sisko has immense gravitas, but he doesn't seem to strike up natural friendships as easily (possibly due to being in command.)

The station's real diplomancer is Dax, though.

>>24842504
He's generally inoffensive, but he's hardly a leader of men. He's not the guy to inspire troops or take command of a situation. He's not the guy to turn things around through the force of his personality. He's likable enough, but he's hardly charismatic.

>>24842458

Miles Edward O'Brien played by Colm Meaney

first appeared as the Transporter chief on the Enterprose D

Best known as Chief of Operation on Deep Space 9.

>>24843430
Not a leader of Men? His Mirror Universe double ends up being the leader of the Terran Resistance, and many characters have deferred to him when needed.

He's a 14 Charisma at least.

>>24842683
>He did persuade the likes of the Romulans to join in beating up the Dominion

He had a lot of help with that. Anyone would need it but what I'm saying is it was not down to his charisma.

>>24843683
He does have an exceptionally forceful personality, however.

>>24842514
>who is much younger than him.

Now, Keiko's birthdate is never mentioned, however oddly her MOTHER'S is, as 2269. Thats 100 years before Next Generation.

So Keiko can't be THAT young. I know humans can live to be 120-150ish (as seen by Admiral McCoy) but goodness, I'm sure women still lose their ability to conceive as they age.


Also, I don't think O'briens into the young ones, given he totally shot down his wife in that episode where she, Picard, Guinan, and Ro Laren were turned into 12 year olds.

Keiko is a shrew anyways.


And returning to the main topic, we all know the cast member with the lowest charisma is Barclay.

>>24842692
>that filename

>>24842644
Str: 18 (he punches out genetically engineered super soldiers routinely)
Dex: 16 (agile enough to dodge phasers regularly)
Con: 16 (survived three days in a torture hot box without water, and a ton of other shit.)
Int: 14 (strategist and tactician.)
Wis: 16 (is space Jesus.)
Cha: 24 (negotiated peace with aliens that couldn't even understand linear time, is Space Jesus, gets the Romulans to not only allow the Federation cloaking tech but also align with their two most hated enemies, and could alter the course of galactic history with a simple speech.)

End result: Don't mess with the Sisco.

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>>24844001
Str: 20 (Beats up enemy leaders in order to sleep with their women.)
Dex: 17 (Knows space kung fu so he can beat up enemy leaders in order to sleep with their women.)
Con: 18 (Beats up enemy leaders and sleeps with their women without even needing a rest in between.)
Int: 12 (Who the fuck needs smartypants book-learnin'? that shit's for Vulcans. He'd rather be beating up enemy leaders and sleeping with their women.)
Wis: 34 (His human instinct is unerring and always trumps bullshit like logic and facts, especially when it comes to beating up enemy leaders and sleeping with their women.)
Cha: 34 (He sleeps with the women of enemy leaders after beating them up--the leaders, not the women--he only does that kind of thing with the kinky ones.)

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>>24844246
Str: 20 (Has fought hand to hand against Klingons and Borg, and won)
Dex: 18 (amazing shot with a phaser)
Con: 30 (Has survived being turned into a Borg, and back again)
Int: 18 (Knows information on damn near every species and organisation in the Alpha/Beta Quadrant)
Wis: 50 (Understands logic, common sense, facts, and stunning willpower by the sheer fact of mentally surviving being made into a Borg, and back again, as well as visiting the Continuum and being one of the most respected humans by the Q)
Cha: 34 (Diplomancer Extraordinaire)

Fuck you, Picard > Kirk 24/7 420 blaze yo.

>>24844299

Don't forget the time he lived out an entire lifetime (would give him a crazy wisdom bonus since that scales with age). And that time he was stabbed through the heart and fucking laughed it off.

Picard is clearly Captain Of All Time.

>>24844001
>>24842644
He may be a strategist, but he's a bad one. Attacks are from one direction, every ship fights in the same plane, and he forgets that the universe does not have the ship stall if you fly too high. High Wis, low Int.

>>24844314
Fuck yes he is, anon, fuck yes he is.

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>>24844314
>And that time he was stabbed through the heart and fucking laughed it off.

He laughed because he was, at the time, semi-possessed by his future-self (Thanks Q!) who was glad he wouldn't live to be a dreary, mediocre Lt. Junior Grade Astrometrics Scientist doing all that boring paperwork and busywork that low ranking officers do off screen.

>>24844299
>>24842514
But the acquisition of wealth improves the lives of those who attempt it. And there are plenty of things which for some reason can't be replicated, and you need to mine certain materials. Money is just as present as before, but the United Federation of Socialists tries to deny it.

>>24844299
>Int 18
Bullshit.

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...

Proceed.

>>24842692

I know that feel anon.

>>24844382

Bi-Polar

>>24844382
10 Str
17 Dex (outshoots a borg drone and does lots of small work with her hands)
14 Con (How many times has she not died?)
17 Int (Trained as a scientist)
6 Wis (Cannot into tactics or understand that they need to carry as much as possible.)
3 Cha (The only time someone believed her is if someone else told them the same thing, or if they were attempting to trap her)

>>24844382

Stats in a constant state of flux due to inconsistent writing.

>>24844382
Str 10 (would be 14, but -4 for being a woman)
Dex 14 (shown to be quite nimble on her feet)
Con 18 (Survives being evolved into the next stage of human evolution, and then going back to being human)
Int 12 (smart, but not too smart)
Wis 6 (she constantly does stuff that endangers the ship)
Cha 34 (constantly manages to convince people that she's following Star Fleet Protocol, despite the number of times she breaks the Prime Directive and the Temporal Prime Directive, and constantly manages to persuade alien species that she's friendly and means no harm, before siding with the Borg and making them more powerful, or deciding 'lol, you believed me' and nuking them back to the Stone Age).

>>24844382
I refuse.

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>>24844299
I'm sorry, what were you saying? I wasn't listening. I was too busy doing that hot redhead tending sickbay. I didn't catch her name. I think she's a nurse or something.

>>24844449
>hot

>>24844453

Kirks had worse.

>>24844449
Who are you?

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>>24844420
>>24844423
lol u guys really don't think much of janeway.

it's been so long since i saw voyager... i'm in not rush to return, still gotta finish TNG (season 6 atm) and DS9.

anyone tried watching the "Enterprise" series?

pic is the ship from "Enterprise"

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>>24844449

>I only know about Kirk from shallow pop culture parodies of him

>>24844299
Not to mention that for a while he was THE PICARD, God-Emperor of an entire race, before taking an arrow in the chest JUST TO PROVE A POINT.

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>>24844449
I'm sorry, what were you taking twice as long as a normal human to say? I wasn't listening, I was busy bringing about Alpha Quadrant peace, helping to destroy the Borg, and having an acting career beyond my years as the best Captain in Star Fleet history.

>>24844485
I actually quite like the Enterprise series. I'm not sure why people hated it so much.

>>24844453
>hot
Whatever. She had boobs and that was like fifteen minutes ago--ancient history. Hey, who's that tending Ops? She's a little bit butch, but I bet she's a tiger in the sack.

>>24844485
I did. Travis and T'Pal were redeeming features, and would have made a good Captain/XO team. Malcolm and Flox were okay, too.

The writing was shit fanfiction level, though, and tended to get bogged down in long and poorly explained plot arcs.

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>>24844499
>and having an acting career beyond my years as the best Captain in Star Fleet history.

My fucking sides man, it's true.

>>24844485

>tfw I actually enjoyed the new Enterprise

Although they could have done without turning the poor vulcan girl into a semi-bimbo and the rest of her species indistinguishable from romulans in behaviour.

>>24844485
That's the thing, I liked voyager. I thought Janeway was pretty cool. But even amongst the horrors of tacticians that Patton would be ashamed to be on the same planet with, Janeway is the worst tactician of all.

Also, I liked Enterprise. The MAKO's were a badly needed addition to the crew, seeing as how only the bridge crew had enough time for away missions in every other show. Phlox was a good doctor, the primitiveness of the ship was consistent, the long, overarching storyline was pretty good, and we had a captain who was friendly to the right sorts, but actively hostile towards Xeno Scum.

>>24844514
The casting was terrible, and the characterization wasn't much better. Also, if somebody summarized an episode, it would sound cooler than it actually was, so I think something was frequently off with its execution. It wasn't a bad show or anything; it was just kind of mediocre. But it's not the only Star Trek show I feel that way about.

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>>24844477
>Who are you?
That's what I'm saying. What kind of loser sleeps with women when he could be rebelling against society and generally being a snotty little brat?

>>24844525
>Travis
Well, in my defense there WAS a Travis, and he was pretty cool. Meant to say "Tucker" though. Tucker would have been a fun Captain, especially since it was fun to get the feeling that he was literally making shit up as he went.

It would have also been appropriate given the fact that it's the first Human ship-of-the-line.

>>24844485
Enterprise was full of wasted potential right from the word go, in a worse way than even Voyager managed, and that killed a chunk of it's main premise in the pilot episode (tensions between maquis and star fleet crews). Starting with having a ship that looked like the distinctly 24th century Akira class but flipped over and continuing on by rather than making use of their comparatively primitive era to do something new. Like the just sticking new names on the same old dull battle sequences of reading out some falling percentage whilst consoles explode.

Also the entire crew were idiots who were also largely unlikable (particularly the doctor), the plots continually retarded (with frequently incredibly dubious moral high ground stances that were anything but) and the reliance on cheap titillation via vulcantits and the occasional decontamination chamber scene were pandering of the worst kind.

>>24843728
>And returning to the main topic, we all know the cast member with the lowest charisma is Barclay.
Barclay has so much spaghetti it's ludicrous. He's almost Space Chris-Chan. How he managed to get through the academy like that is beyond me.

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>>24844491
>I only know about humor because I've heard it mentioned on TV.
With that said, I like the gif.

>>24844630

Hey don't be a dickhead. The man's lost his father to a temporal incident with a romulan miningh ship. He deserves some slack.

AND he still beat the unbeatable scenario

>>24844756
By cheating

>>24844783
If winning is an impossibility, change the rules of the game.

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>>24844783

Yes, and...?

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>>24844670
Barclay is autism ascended. We would be super best bros...or at least I'd be super best bros with a hologram I made of him.

>>24844756
All joking aside, the real Kirk wasn't the foolhardy, go-in-with-guns-blazing, action-over-intelligence sort of guy that pop culture has made him out to be. While he's hardly lacking in bravado, he's a lot more incisive than people give him credit for. The JJ Abrams Kirk was a brash idiot who shouldn't be let within a mile of the captain's chair, and who only succeeded because the plot was as stupid as he was.

>>24844853
Oh god, that episode.
He had some problems.

>>24844783
By cheating without any style.

>>24844783
Just like the Kirk Prime.

>>24844756
Kirk > Picard > Sisko > Archer > Janeway > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Pine Kirk

>>24844956
Picard>Sisko>Archer>Janeway>Both Kirks

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Now stat No Rules-No Problem

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>>24844976

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>>24844976

>>24844485
Voyager is simultaneously the best and worst Star Trek. Some of those post-Kes episodes are so good you could show them to people who hate Star Trek and they'd be like: "Hey, that shit was solid golden age sci-fi."

And then you get Janeway and Paris fish sex.

>>24845060
The Doctor episodes are especially good. Both Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy and Renaissance Man are up there with my favorite Trek episodes.

>>24845000
13 Str (Not much physical labor, and standup fistfights without cleverness he loses)
16 Dex (He's a test pilot, he fought Shran with those blades, and he's gotten pretty good at minor martial arts tricks which require clever handwork)
9 Con (Kept getting knocked out or diseased or stuff)
16 Int (Smart enough to do basic repairwork and trick Ferengi)
14 Wis (Clever enough, relied on the cleverness of others a good deal but a good Captain takes the good ideas and does them).
19 Cha (Can someone say "Intimidate"?)

>>24842443
>mfw I watched Stargate Atlantis before watching any Star Trek and then saw that motherfucker

>>24845165
He's one hell of an antagonist.

>>24845156

Do you even into stats? Those numbers are too high for what you're saying.

>>24845220
This is a thread of entirely ridiculous stats. What's wrong with these?

>>24845150
I showed an author friend who had completely written off Star Trek as 'bland tripe' the Voyager episode: "Latent Image" and he was incredibly impressed. Compared it to an old Asimov short story and everything. He was going to stop off on the way home and buy the Voyager complete series, but I couldn't let him go through with it...

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>>24845060

>fish sex
how can you not like the pinnacle of the evolution?

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>>24845220

Main characters always have high stats.

>>24842692

>Geocities watermark

God damn anon.

>>24844485

Voyager was a gigantic clusterkerfuffle in general.

Basically, the execs told them that if they wanted a show that had long running plot arcs, they had to have a show that was nothing but "Space monster of the week" episodes. That was voyager.
All the crap scripts that nobody else wanted got put into Voyager, old TOS plotlines, TNG stories that never made the cut, fanfiction, everything got tossed in.
As a result characterisation was completely batshit. One day Janeway would be channelling Picard, the next episode she'd be Kirk or some 16 year olds idea of Kirk.
Kate Mulgrew came out of the experience fully believing that her character had legitimate mental problems.

There's also that hilarious story about how Chekotays actor kept trying to get himself fired by asking for bigger raises but Paramount kept giving them to him.

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>>24844361
Forgot your image.

>>24845315
Ugh. The fish sex is only outmatched in awfulness by ME3 Synthesis.

>>24845459
It's a shame, because less than a year after it finished BSG showed the world just how good a television series set aboard a starship cut off from its supply lines and lost in hostile territory could actually be.

>>24845486
I fucking love the Ferengi. Their only problems are the not allowing women to shop (Seriously. As Zek said, 51% of the population was completely untapped! There's a whole lot of people who could be working!), and the fact that Theft is common in a society in which one enters a house with the ritual "My House is My House" "As are all its possessions".

>>24845165
>I watched Stargate Atlantis

Jesus, I'm sorry to hear that dude.

>>24845060
I read somewhere Voyager was rushed out to compete with Babylon 5 and actually copied some things from B5 (they got to look over the material when JMS tried to sell the show to them).

I think, with the right people, Voyager could have been awesome. They should have played with the whole "stranded far away" and its effects on the crew more. Morale shifts, substance abuse, nihilism, crew breaking into factions, sort of put the Federation lifestyle up there and question it. Are people truly enlightened and beyond all the petty problems of the old as they claim to be? What happens, when the safety net of the Federation isn't there to catch them? Do they still strive to reach home, even if there's a chance they won't make it in their lifetime, or do they look for a new home?

It would have been nice if the set would have lived with the series. Slowly systems are jury-rigged, fixes are made, with ration of power replicator use is limited and new materials must be acquired elsewhere, so broken things might fixed with alien machinery and clothing might become more mixed as uniforms can't be fixed and alternatives have to be found. Stuff like that. You can even toy with the idea whether they even belong back to the Federation after all they've been through. How can they return to the old ways after surviving all that and doing horrible things in the name of survival? Will the Federation even accept these wild people back?

>>24845664
The first season was okay... I think Universe ended up being better, though.

>>24845682

>Voyager was rushed out to compete with Babylon 5

You mean DS9

>>24845552
Yeah, BSG had a lot of promise and did a lot of things really well. It was gritty and dramatic, and the older actors did an outstanding job (and the younger ones did fine). But the cylons were stupid and made no sense, it seemed like the writers had no idea where the show was going and were just making it up as it went along, and they had people repeatedly get in dramatic confrontations for no reason other than to stir up drama. And in the end, I think that BSG's shortcomings pretty much ruined an otherwise stellar show.

>>24845664
Atlantis was pretty entertaining. I mean, it had retarded bad guys and it lost focus towards the end, but it's easily the best of the Star Gates.

>>24845682
It always bugged me that Voyager could look like a mangled wreck at the end of Episode X, and then be back to pristine at the beginning of Episode Y two weeks later. At least BSG stayed mangled.

>>24845693
Camerawork was crap as well.

>>24844670
Barclay is the only sane man on the ship.

>>24845715
>better than the one with Captain McGuyver.
Whaaaa?

>>24845724

He really is when you think about it. So he has a phobia about going into a machine that kills you and creates a perfect duplicate clone of you at the target destination.
THAT'S NOT A PHOBIA. THAT IS A VERY LEGITIMATE WORRY.

So he uses the Holodeck to have sex with unobtainable fellow crewmembers WHY THE FUCK ARE ARE YOU EVEN LOOKING AT HIS PRIVATE HOLODECK RECORDS ANYWAY?

Then at the end of it all, he get's shuffled off to a research base god knows where with all the other people with actual emotional range and then has his revenge by proving what happened to Voyager, saving the Doctor and generally being awesome.

>>24845731
SG1 isn't bad per se, it's just incredibly dull. It's like they managed to drain all the life and excitement out of scifi and turn it into a dull military procedural or something. Maybe it was the fact that they were tied to a home base on Earth and thus never really felt like they got anywhere. Maybe it was that there was no real dynamic between the characters or something (I mean, taken individually they were fine, but they didn't sizzle as a group). Maybe there was something in the execution; I don't know. But I always found it hard to sit through an episode, and I watch old British sci-fi (1960s Doctor Who episodes, Blakes 7, and so forth), so I'm not exactly a lightweight when it comes to such things. From the few episodes I saw, I did think the series got better when they started bringing in people from Farscape.

>>24845783
Honestly, if I had to live on a ship with Riker I'd probably sim-kill him like a thousand times.

>>24845794

You mean when the show turned into Farscape Vs Firefly? With cameos from Enterprise thrown in.

>>24845794
I'm left only with the conclusion that you half-watched bits of season 1 without really paying attention.

>>24845799
I could deal with the Riker from the later seasons. Early on though, the guy was a major prick.

Farscape was pretty cool.

>"Captain's log, Stardate 47283.9..."

"Once again Wesley managed to get past the childlocks on his replicator. Deck 3 report that it will be three more days before the smell of lube and burning rubber gets out of the corridors. Meanwhile, I find myself troubled over the diplomatic consequences of Worf getting blind drunk on blood wine and vomiting all over the Devraxian Amabassador last week. One of these days I really must ship him off to some space station somewhere."

"Captains log, supplmental: Maybe I should do that for Barclay as well? What's the worst that could happen?"

>>24845821
Farscape was amazing. Doubly so when you consider it came from AUSTRALIA, the land where all other local productions are laughable shit.

"Captains log, Stardate 47285.1: I found Data and Geordie drinking my non-replicated Wines. I forced them to drink the entire bottle as a lesson. They assure me that it wont happen again. For the sake of discipline I confined them to their quarters for the evening and disabled their replicators from serving them dinner.
As well as these incidents, I am also disturbed by reports from the Romulan neutral zone that the Romulan mining commission is outfitting their overly angry mining captains with Borg Hybrid technology. I feel that this might pose an unacceptable risk should something happen to Romulus causing him to go on a massive revenge spree. As usual, the admiralty ignores me out of spite. Plus Janeway aparrantly stated that "Nothing bad ever came from co-opting Borg tech! NOTHING. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU HEARD."
The bitch."

"Captains log, supplemental: Well, at least it keeps her out of the Captains chair. Which is the important thing."

Captains log, Stardate 47285.5: Ensign Ricky pointed out that our old style Ceremonial Garb looked like a dress. Now it's all I can see. Thank god Starfleet switched up to that classy white number. Indeed, it was only at the last diplomatic function with the Orion Legitimate Business Concord that Commander Riker impressed to me that said uniform was "the greatest pussy magnet ever". I find myself agreeing, as we were both swimming in green skinned bitches that day.
And as the legendary James T Kirk once said: "Isn't that REALLY what Starfleet is all about?"

Captains log, supplemental: Got caught in a Tholaron Storm in the Epstein-McCartney Nebula. Had to reverse the polarity a couple of times to shift it. Same old same old.

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Ok /tg/ enough pussyfooting around.
it's time to stat Glorious Garak

Captains log, Stardate 47286.2: Had to pretend to look interested as Troi claimed she could sense feelings again. I don't know why she still does this, she knows none of us care. Maybe she doesn't? Maybe she has no ability whatsoever and she's been fucking with us all this time? Hell, maybe she genuinely thinks she can sense emotions and her family can't bring themselves to tell her that she's the Betazoid equivalent of a blind man who doesn't know he's black? You could not fathom how glad I was when the ships counsellor position got shifted down to the bowls of the ship instead of the bridge during the war.
Data superglued hair on his lip from the Ships Barbershop in an effort to make himself look manlier. Unfortunately Geordi intentionally sabotaged the effort by telling him to base it on Charlie Chaplin. He basically looked like the robot Hitler. Thankfully Worf has no tact and pointed it out fairly quickly. I could not imagine what Ensign Goldmans reaction would have been."

Captains log, supplemental: Apparently Ensign Goldman got killed when I, Commander Riker and Geordi went down to Planet Castrato 7. I thought that was Ensign Bucky. Huh.

>>24845808
Wasn't the Firefly and Enterprise stuff all Atlantis, or did it crossover into SG1 as well? (SG1 did hit Andromeda.) Anyway, I thought Jewel Staite was miscast in Atlantis, and never really worked (though I loved her on Firefly).

Captains log, Stardate 47287.5: Barclay slipped on a banana peel and accidentially activated the planetary self destruct that subsequently destroyed the entire Moldavarian Race. This was impressive since as best as I can tell, the Moldavarian race don't even HAVE a Banana aggregate native to their world. They must have imported the fucking thing just for this function.
In all fairness, this time I think we have to say it wasn't his fault. He's taking it like you would imagine. I've advised him to work through it with Counsellor Troi.
That'll teach the bitch to claim that she "detects great feelings of patronisation" right in the middle of a fucking diplomatic dinner.

Captains log, supplemental: Who even builds something like a Planetary Self Destruct device anyway? Let alone have it activated by a lever? I mean, REALLY?

Captains log, Stardate 47289.6: I've noticed a lot of people keep declining the position of Ensign lately. It turns out that your survival odds whilst an Ensign are something like 20%? I pointed out that it's hardly a death sentence, look at Wesley, he's been an Ensign for years and he still. refuses. to. die.
The sentient cloud that kidnapped us this week made us play chess with Lenin. We defeated it by pelting it with chess pieces until it whined so hard it's mother cloud appeared and told it to stop being cruel to dumb animals.

Captains log supplemental: Someone asked me why were called the Flagship if we don't have any flag officers. If he'd actually ever MET any of our Admirals he wouldn't be pushing the issue. Janeway is probably the LEAST psychotic of them, and only midway in terms of incompetency. Only last week Admiral Gannet was asking me to pick up some space geese for lunch since I was "in the area". This rather hampered our ability to go silent in the Romulan neutral zone.

>>24845819
He always was.

>>24845821
I couldn't get into it at first, watching random episodes. But when I watched it from the beginning, I enjoyed it a lot more, which is kind of interesting because it's not like I just wasn't getting the plot or anything. I think maybe it let the characters gel with me or something.

Captains log, Stardate 47291.2: Woke up in a parralel universe where everyone's gender is inverted. Must be Tuesdays. I downloaded roughly 14tb of porn in my Commbadge before they found a way to put me back.

Captains log, Stardate 47291.4: The Cardassians forgot who was the boss around here again and I had to pretend to be diplomatic for all of fifteen minutes before hurling their boarded mining shuttles into each other with the tractor beam whilst going "stop hitting yourself". I then got them to apologise to me after they surrendered. I discovered that Geordie has had X-Ray vision literally from the day we met. I've agreed not to tell the rest of the crew that he's been looking through the cabin walls of the womens changing rooms as long as he agrees to forward me any future recordings.

Captains log supplemental: Caught Worf telling people about the time he was the Captain of a prototype Assault Carrier called the Typhon. I had to take him aside and tell him that if I'M not allowed to talk about Hydrans, Kzinti or the General War of 168 - 185 then he CERTAINLY isn't allowed to talk about that.

>>24845910
Farscape's sole strength is its ridiculously intense character development.

Captains log, Stardate 47294.6: Had to pay Rikers bail at Risa again. The judge has told him if he starts one more public orgy he's going to be barred from the planet. Otherwise, shoreleave has been fine, all the blow and hookers the crew could want, as long as you don't mind everyone wearing togas. Wesley built himself a female companion bot that has proceeded to friendzone him in a single day, I laughed so hard a little bit of wee came out. Geordie managed to mod Data so that booze affected him, I haven't seen them for five days, I fear for their safety, and I can't seem to find Worf anywhere.
An Ensign Micky still managed to kill himself by falling down a flight of stairs and into the Riker Orgy. As ways to go, the rest of the ensigns agree this was probably one of the better ones.

Captains log supplemental: Turns out Worf had been stuck in a Turbolift all week and had to eat his own leg to survive. When we showed him the emergency replicator built into each turbolift for EXACTLY those situations he was more than a little embarrassed. Dr Crusher says she can regrow his leg via sufficient technobabble in a week or so.

>>24843430
watch the episode with the hunted guy. O Brian takes charge of the whole episode

Captains log, Stardate 47295.1: Woke up, realised I was unusually well built and defined. I fully expected a crossover event, and was not dissappointed when a blue time travelling box appeared in the middle of the bridge and a man in a tweed jacket and bowtie came out of it. We basically went through the motions and let him handle all of the problems he probably caused somehow and had the whole thing sown up by teatime. How giant dustbins with plungers for hands are meant to be intimidating I can not imagine. At least it wasn't as aggravating as time with the legion of superpowered humanoids. Or that empire with the planet destroying moon ship. Or the doctor in the time travelling car who looked suspiciously like the Klingon captain who destroyed the USS Oberth a few centuries back.

Captains log supplemental: Why ARE Photon Torpedoes called PHOTON torpedoes anyway?

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I know he's got a bitchin high charisma and int in Hell on Wheels.

>>24845901
If look at, say, 6th season compared to 1st season, he was considerably toned down. He's still not the kind of guy I'd want to hang out with, but I could enjoy him as a character (sort of the way that Mal from Firefly was an awesome character even though he could be a huge, dictatorial asshole).

>>24845939

And animatronic dolls.

Captains log, Stardate 47296.5: Ensign Barclay managed to create a sentient blob with his replicator that proceeded to eat half of our Ensign allotment and most of the electronics. Luckily, since parts of it was based on his genetic structure it was deathly allergic to peanut butter, shellfish, milk and the colour purple. We jus threw peanut butter sandwhiches at it until it died.
Apparently he just wanted to make it the size of a gerbil to eat the "space rats" that were living in his walls, and got the mass settings wrong. He's probably gone round the twist, but "space rats" is just retarded enough to be actually true.

Captains log supplemental: As predicted there WERE Space Rats living in a phantom universe space between the walls of Barclay and his next door neighbour. A good dose of technobabble got rid of them in short order. I don't even listen to Data or Geordi anymore, I just smile and nod.

>>24845871

>After great eugenic wars
>people still caring about earlier minor eugenic wars

immersion ruined

>>24845981
Actually yes. Mostly the dolls.

Captains log, Stardate 47298.8: Managed to find a phantom eighth day of the week to do stuff in. Wasted it watching downloaded porn and having the replicator make spliffs and whisky. Dr Crusher created a nanite that solves all of mankinds medical woes. It proceeded to go sentient if 4 hours and we had to let it go as a result. This is the seventh time that has happened, and Data always ends up looking insufferably smug afterwards. Geordie "accidentially" swapped his body with Commander Rikers during a routine transport. He'd started and orgy in rec room 10 within minutes.

Captains log supplemental: Devised a mathematical formula to work out the correct ratio of Plot to Porn in a Porno. Wrote it on a piece of paper that I later used to make a spliff. Could not remember for the life of me what it was afterwards. Damn!

>>24845990
Thanks to American Dad I can imagine every single word of these posts flawlessly in Picard's voice.

>>24845919
Hilarious

Captains log, Stardate 47300.2: Ever since Admiral M'Buto infamously called High Chancellor Ghotok a gigantic dildo, diplomatic conditions with the Klingon Empire have been deteriorating. This morning we were "Strained", by lunch the condition was "cold war". Mid-afternoon? "Openly Hostile". At the moment they are classed as "Collosal Cluster-Kerfuffle". Am currently reminding a squadron of Birds of Prey that we have plot armour and they don't. Have already taken 35% Ensign casualties. I remain optomistic that if I can actually have a conversation with someone in the Klingon High Command I can get them to surrender and apologise to us. However the Klingons seem wise to this and are refusing all of my hails. A constant subspace signal is emitting from the Romulan neutral zone, it is simply the entire Senate laughing continously. It has been transmitting for five days. It is a live broadcast.

Captains log supplemental: Well, that's that. Managed to write the message into the lost moons of Q'onos with the phasers instead. Bit of a lucky break really. Worf not as conflicted over this as you would have thought. Apparantly this is like the 8th time this has happened and he's tired of this bullshit.

>>24844892
Kirk Prime did it better though.
He programmed the Klingons to respect him and assist him in the rescue of the Kobayashi, that's a whole other level than "drop their shields".

>>24846055
>A constant subspace signal is emitting from the Romulan neutral zone, it is simply the entire Senate laughing continously. It has been transmitting for five days. It is a live broadcast.

I'm actually in tears. These have been some of the funniest things I've ever read.

>>24846055
>>A constant subspace signal is emitting from the Romulan neutral zone, it is simply the entire Senate laughing continously. It has been transmitting for five days. It is a live broadcast.
Oh dear god, my sides have been transported away.

>>24846069
Did he also make the klingon captains female?

>>24846099
amen.

>A constant subspace signal is emitting from the Romulan neutral zone, it is simply the entire Senate laughing continously. It has been transmitting for five days. It is a live broadcast.

I have a goddamn chest infection right now and i still cannot stop laughing. You may have killed me anon!


Someone archive or screenshot this, forthwith!

>>24846144

Already on it.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/24842443/

>>24845834
Space Straylia, cunt!

Yeah, the series was pretty bitching and I loved the animatronics. Seriously, bad puppeteering beats bad CGI any day of the week and it just makes everything more real, when it's people acting in the settings with the things they're talking to, not just dudes in costume in a green room talking to tennis balls on sticks. There's connection there and when ever they pull some shit with puppets you're left like "how did they pull that off" instead of "yeah, wow, someone did something with a computer".

I think this is why Alien and Aliens rock, because there's not CGI bullshit, it's all real. It's not a CGI queen pulling some CGI shit, it's an actual, life size puppet Ripely is fighting.

>>24846245
It also meant for a tv show they could afford to do more than just funny colour/forehead humans on occasion. Though the more inhuman the better they worked, Pilot being probably the best example despite being limited in motion due to being plugged into the ship.

I liked Farscape quite a bit, it was definitely not constantly awesome, but it sure did try out a whole lot of things.

>>24845783
>He really is when you think about it. So he has a phobia about going into a machine that kills you and creates a perfect duplicate clone of you at the target destination.
>THAT'S NOT A PHOBIA. THAT IS A VERY LEGITIMATE WORRY.

It's also a thoroughly proven technology by the time of TNG. Barclay being afraid of the transporter is akin to a modern person being utterly terrified of cars because they're large, heavy bits of metal moving at high speeds.

>WHY THE FUCK ARE ARE YOU EVEN LOOKING AT HIS PRIVATE HOLODECK RECORDS ANYWAY?

If you'll recall, the whole issue with Barclay's holodeck fantasies is that he was putting off his duties to spend time in his little cocoon because he was too full of spaghetti and neurotic to deal with stress in any other way.

Then they accidentally walked in on his little 3 Musketeer's thing because he was acting so bloody strangely he was driving everyone nuts.

>>24846318
Pilot was the best character in the bunch. Loved that big old... what ever it was.

>>24846382
That doesn't change the fact that you die and are recreated each time. I wonder how Catholicism deals with that? Are the transported people baptized? Does the same soul go to the new one? If so, where did the second Riker soul go?

Most importantly, using a technology which synthesizes materials instead of transporting them whole, why the hell did Janeway think that taking the material from the D class planet would do anything but have a net loss of energy?

>>24846479

It's established that some materials can't be replicated for one reason or another.

>>24846479
>I wonder how Catholicism deals with that?
How is Religion dealt with at all?
Does anyone know that there are omnipotent individuals in the universe besides a handful of people?

Does anyone know that they're either massive trolls or have the attitude of weary old men who want to be left alone?

>>24846479
>I wonder how Catholicism deals with that?

You're forgetting that everyone in Star Trek is a godless homosexual.

>>24846026
Me too! Amazing!

>>24846382
Hell, I'm afraid of cars, in the respectful sense. They really ARE big chunks of metal - TONS OF METAL - zipping every which way. And they do a lot more damage than the transporter ever did lol

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>>24846699
But cars are awesome because of that, not in spite of it.

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>>24846479

As a catholic myself, I'd like to think that the soul "snaps on" to the reconstructed body.

The Riker thing is an interesting question. I'd guess the clone is given a soul identical to that of original and goes a different path from then onwards. Clearly if God did not choose to give clone Riker a soul, he would have not retained his sapience upon rematerializing.

Of course this is all hypothetical space opera scenario. And considering power of replicator and transporter tech outside what the screenwriters design for them is just deliberately breaking the universe. Soft sci-fi are built to be fun, not internally consistent.

>>24846699

It's more like parachuting or bungee jumping. Yes it's near as much 100% safe as long as you don't touch THAT. Or THAT. Or do THAT. But nobody thinks it odd that people find it frightening.

My dad always loved how Enterprise dealt with the crews first reactions to the transporter.

>>24846699
Less metal and more plastic nowadays. I'd prefer more metal myself, safer to drive.

>>24847312

for you, maybe, but what about everyone else?

>>24847353
Assuming they have a metal car, yes. If they have a plastic one, it was going to break on the other plastic car anyways.

>>24846842
actually, according to the fiction, the earliest transporters actually DID kill you and then make a new person. which was why organic use became banned, they only came back into use once they were able to prove that the transportation was legit and there was a seamless continuity of conciousness. that the person that came out was the one that stepped in and not a copy.

Using shitty plebian d20 stats and not HERO. Seriously guys? What the fuck.

>>24847493

Even in later transporters, however, you can do all sorts of shenanigans with the stored patterns - see Riker incident

>>24846699
Yeah, but that's not the same thing as a phobia. It's not an irrational gibbering fear that gnaws at you every time you go near a car.
Being realistic and having a healthy respect for powerful things isn't anywhere near a phobia.
It's the difference between being afraid of getting hit by lightning when walking through an open field in a thunderstorm and flat out panicking whenever there's a cloud overhead.

Perhaps I should have used fear of flying as an example instead.

>>24845459
>There's also that hilarious story about how Chekotays actor kept trying to get himself fired by asking for bigger raises but Paramount kept giving them to him.
true?

i liked enterprise and voyager well enough, and liked TOS the least of all the treks.

>>24842683
Not so. The Romulans and Klingons have been on-again, off-again allies forever and a half. That's why Romulans used D-7s, and where the klinks got the cloaking tech for their B'Rels.

Really? I mean I always liked him, sure he fumbled a bit but he could talk well enough and had okay looks.

>>24842683
the alliance wasn't due to a charisma check, in the end.

it was forgery and murder

>>24842610
it's not that he doesn't understand supply and demand, it's that trade as such is a foreign concept to him to start with.

these things aren't innate knowledge that would just dawn on you.

>>24842615
georgie never got laid, fell in love with a hologram, and had data as his only real friend.

geordie confirmed for most spaghetti

>>24844330
within the realm of startrekphizzixs he's bretty good.

the whole trek universe is lacking 3rd dimension space-fight like they never read enders game.

>>24842443
Low Charisma? This guy managed to talk down a renegade Star Fleet captain on a killing spree based on a racial vendetta by singing an old Irish drinking song to him. Guy's a fucking Bard in Engineer's clothing.

>>24848218
i don't remember that...

>>24842443
Tremendous? No

But I bet you its a 9 or so. He usually handles himself quite well until he's put into a stressful intimate position ( Even with the Mrs.) Then he gets a bit defensive and cranky. Its not usually until he starts to fail Constitution saves that he gets aggressive and out of control.

>>24848225
It was a TNG episode, quite a good one too season 5 I think. Bad guy captain of the week had a rather neat nebula class starship. Though he did prove the cardassians were up to something and fuck with their plans, no just being angry and hateful because they were cardassians.,

>>24844246
Cha: 40 (he sleeps with the women of ememy leaders after beating them up--the leaders AND the women--he only respects the kinky ones.)

ftfy

>>24848225
The Wounded. TNG episode. Captain Benjamin Maxwell of The Phoenix basically declares a one-man war on the Cardassians because of the death of his family some years before. O'Brien, who was under his command previously, is tapped to talk him down. He does so by sneaking aboard the captain's ship and having a sit down with him. They sing a song together, the Captain says "Looks like I'm not going to win this one, doesn't it?" or something along those lines, and then gives himself up. Bam. Also, O'Brien admitted to a Cardassian that the reason he hates their kind is because they're the ones that first made him kill another living being. Pretty important episode for his character all around.

>>24844499
you failed to respond right after you took it out of character. Better luck next time JP

>>24848386
This is even better if you read "Cardassian" as "Kardashian".

I don't know about stats. But O'Brien must have like, 30 curses on him with all the shit he's been through.

>>24847886
TOS is both the best and worst of the Treks. By far, really. You have to get an episode with a good concept*, and still be able to look past some amateurish bullshit. But it's going to have an awesome character dynamic, and it's probably going to be more philosophical than the other shows.

*Doomsday Machine is a good episode: http://www.startrek.com/watch_episode/l07LgavpLbEW

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>>24845317
>Contracted Vegan choriomeningitis

At least, in the enlightened age to come, vegans will be shown to be the disgusting disease they are.

>>24845794
>didn't like SG-1

Go back to your hole, and never come out again.

>>24846626
>You're forgetting that everyone in Star Trek has advanced enough mentally to not believe in imaginary creator gods, and the taboos of the wide scope of human sexualities and fetishes has been done away with, leading to a more enlightened, peaceful, and happy society.

FTFY

>>24854569
>taking that post seriously

Back to the /b/ circlejerks with you.

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>>24845865
>trying to represent based Garak with your measly human three-dimensional idea of stats

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>>24845871

>>24842743

Depends. Canon only, or are we counting the supplementary material and STO (btw, Legacy of Romulus: Big improvement, or huge-ass fuckin' improvement?)

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>>24845942
>>24845967
>>24845990

>>24854664
But..that wasn't even funny..

>>24854711
>>24842743

If we're counting STO then the answer is obviously Iconians.

>>24844246
Kirk would have more dex than str- he would lose fights against strong opponents in most cases if it weren't for all the rolling, and he usually wins even then only because of his superior use of available weapons.

How was andromeda anyway?
I never watched it except for one episode where I think someone fucked the ship.

>>24855390
I'm half way through season 3 on Netflix, and I think it's alright. Not as good as Star Trek, BSG, Farscape or Firefly though.

Sisco = Picard > Kirk > Janeway

I can't say whether I like Sisco or Picard better, but I can like both of them equally since they are VERY different. That's what I like, they're both great characters, but share almost nothing in common.

Isn't Picard technically like 300 years old?
Dude must have a wis score of like 50!

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stat me
>implying there are large enough numbers to represent my glory

>>24854831

Just asking cause I thought the Undine didn't get an official name, rather than just being 8472, until the supplementary stuff.

>>24842629
>an android that didn't even have emotions

and that always made him feel very sad

>>24855682
I'm sorry, but smugness isn't a stat.

>>24842443
But OP, he already >has< stats!
Seriously, though..

Name: Master Chief Petty Officer Miles Edward “Smiley” O'Brien (The Butcher of Seltik III)
Race: Human Male
Age: 42
Current Position: Chief Engineer
Posting: Deep Space 9 (Nor-class)

Stats:
Str: 62 End: 65 Int: 71
Dex: 75 Cha: 55 Luck: 98
Psi: 00
I don't want to deal with his skills, but
Godlike: Transporter Operation. Transporter Technology.
Expert: all engineering (as professional specialty), Carousing, Small-unit Tactics, Personal Combat (unarmed), Damage Control Procedures
Professional: Admin, Artistic Expression (Cello), Cardassian Technology operation and Repair, Marksmanship (Modern), Computer Operation, Language (Standard, Cardassian), Starship Weaponry Operation, Starship Combat Tactics
Novice: Leadership, Deflector Shield Operation, Starship Helm Operation, Security Procedures, Starship Sensors
Amateur: Language, Customs (Bajoran), Medical (Specialized in First Aid)

>>24857464
Oh, forgot, Professional: Language (Trill) - he's literate in it.

>>24843430
HArdly a leadre of mean doesn´t warrant a negative char score....

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>>24857583
oh shit my brothers

stat these bad mamma jammas.

only show as awesome as next generation

I want to die, but I don't have the guts to go through with it.

>>24857850


woah there my new best friend.

what seems to be the problem

>>24857817
>as awesome
>as
That's like saying home-grilled steak is as awesome as a Big Mac. Don't get me wrong; I enjoy a Big Mac on occasion, but it hardly measures up.

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>>24857817
>stat these bad mamma jammas
I'm not sure exactly where exactly they'd go, but he'd have as many points as 500 narns.

>>24843430
But he...IS a leader of men who's inspired troops. He was the hero of Selick 3, and commands the entire engineering and maintenance staff of DS9, a department that runs smoothly and loyally under his lead (the occasional spy or assassin slipped in from Bajor notwithstanding).
Also, there was that time he pretty much DIRECTLY cha-checked his way into talking a rogue starship captain into surrendering to starfleet rather than continuing his attacks on Cardassian shipping, at one point.

He just doesn't want to be an officer, doesn't want commanding to be his primary duty. He likes being an engineer and solving practical problems, and only leads when he must, begrudgingly.

CHA 14, at least.

>>24857956
What?
They just focused on different themes, anon.
So it's more like saying a steak dinner is as good as spaghetti and meatballs.

>>24858002
>dissing G'Kar
bitch fuck you

>>24844314
>>24844341
He laughed the first time, too, before the Q recreation/time loop happened.

He laughed because he was in shock. He didn't laugh it 'off', he laughed in shock, it happens in that sort of situation at times.

>>24858033
also not true

>>24858163
Have you had good spaghetti and meatballs?
Because that shit's amazing.

>>24858209
Especially those really juicy meatballs with the spices mixed in. Fucking delicious.

>>24858033
>So it's more like saying a steak dinner is as good as spaghetti and meatballs.
But that's still wrong...

Seriously though, Next Gen was much less ambitious. And sure that was mostly by design, but it still means that it never reached the heights that Babylon 5 did. Of course, it also never reached the depths of Babylon 5 either, though some of the Wesley shit probably came close. Still, I'll gladly suffer the lows if I get higher highs out of the deal.

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>>24858043
"A little over five standard hours ago, the conflict which began with the Narn declaration of war came to an end. The Narn Regime has offered complete and unconditional surrender. The terms imposed by the Centauri Republic are as follows. One: the ruling body, known as the Kha'Ri will be disbanded and its members subject to arrest and trial for the commission of war crimes against the Centauri. Two: to prevent further acts of terror by the Narn against our people, from this day on, the penalty for the murder of any Centauri by any Narn will be the execution of FIVE HUNDRED NARNS, beginning with the perpetrator's own family. Three: a provisional ruling council appointed by my government will take up the responsibility of rebuilding a more civilised Narn government as a colony of the greater Centauri Republic. Because the Narn homeworld is now a protectorate of the Centauri Republic, we reserve the right to determine who can speak for Narn. As a result, Ambassador G'Kar may no longer represent the Narn in any official capacity whatsoever. His appointment as ambassador to Babylon 5 is hereby withdrawn. As the only member of the Kha'Ri still at large, Citizen G'Kar will return to Narn for trial."

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They are a dying species. Let them pass.

>>24858556
my nigga.

do you have any pics of koshs friend. i think it was blue or pink or something

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>>24858556
Flargan -- 19
Greater Vrindomp'l -- 7.4372714
Skirdjek -- chartreuse
Mandoretti Dindiz -- +/- 1.32 mA
Posminian Vertex -- IXb-24c-hike
Thombolheiser -- grape
Vekkender Osmot -- 7 1/4"
Pathoobiarum -- grenglesneerg
Toast -- cream cheese with marmalade
Fooglefinsdafooglom -- [redacted]
Thooolbingar -- fdom
Ks'thzskr'thr'spst -- 12%

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>>24858816
Kosh's friend? You mean Kosh of "we are all Kosh" fame?

>>24858250
These lows you speak of...?

>>24858959
A lot of bad acting (mixed in with the great acting), hilariously evil bad guys of the week complete with sinister musical stings, sets that look like they were paid for with whatever change the crew had in their pockets at lunchtime, some really painful humor, Delenn, much of first season, having to listen to Byron speak for more than a few seconds, etc.

>>24859018
Bad acting? Oh, I think you mean Garibaldi.

>>24859018
Urgh. Might be time is rose tinting my recollection of it, because I'm struggling to contest any of your points... and actually I remember getting kinda pissy when after a week of moving the plot forward they'd do some character focused BS episode the next. But are these not things that all SF suffer from?

>>24859163
I'm mostly talking about guest actors. Garibaldi, while overly hammy early on (the longer the series went on, the balder he got, the better he got), wasn't really *bad* per se.

>>24859210
He pressed to hard to have his own political opinions in the show. It didn't go over well. Have you seen Old Garibaldi on Fox News talking about how the gay Muslims are going to take over Texas?

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Babylon 5 can, at times, resemble community theater. And while almost all of my friends love it, they started out thinking it was trash, as did I. Honestly, given how bad first season was, the only reason I kept watching it was that there wasn't a lot of scifi on back then.

>>24859225
> Have you seen Old Garibaldi on Fox News talking about how the gay Muslims are going to take over Texas?
No. I heard he was a right-wing radio show host though, so it doesn't surprise me. I'd prefer not to expose myself so it doesn't taint my enjoyment of B5.

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>>24858556
We are not dying. We are just moving on.

>>24842714
>>24842727
Exactly. Geordi's low Cha (about a 6 or a 7) is only believable because LeVar is pulling 17+

>>24844330
He's simply limited by the physics of his universe.

>>24844422
Applies to Alignment and all other innuerables

>>24859340
Q removed the third dimension from space for shits and giggles sometime between WOK and Encounter at Farpoint.

Erased every sentient in the universe's memory of it existing, too, of course.

>>24845000
Go home Duchess

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>>24859356
Stupid fucking writers totally overpowered Q. I preferred the old days, before he was a giant mary sue.

>>24844001
Don't forget he punches Q

>>24844382
Oh fuck no
crew abducted by organ stealing aliens, two dead, barely rescues two
"You've been bad aliens [runs away] don't do it agaaaaaaain!"

>>24859434
And Q is all "goddamn man you're doing it wrong, I want to be written so I can hang out with my BFF Jean-Luc again"

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>>24845919
>Hydrans, Kzinti or the General War of 168 - 185

Mah negro

>>24859612
>Quark
>Not Chaotic
Say what?

I count the novel franchises.

1. Sulu
2. Sisko
3. Picard
4. Kirk
5. Pike
6. Janeway
7. Archer

>>24859629
Rules of Acquisition govern every decision he makes.

>>24858250
The best of the Crusher episodes are worse than the worst Season 5 episodes of B5

>>24859764
I'm not going to get in an argument where I have to defend Wesley Crusher episodes. I will say that a bad episode of B5 is often godawful though.

>>24859746

Quark was basically the Ferengi equivilent of a Paladin.

>>24860013
Thats the point. He's not chaotic.

>>24859884

You remember the space vampire episode? With the little space coffins and shit?

Compare that to Picard shouting SHUT UP, WESLEY.

>>24860776
>You remember the space vampire episode?
Um... no? Maybe I'm repressing the memory? You're talking about B5, right?

>>24842610
>supply and demand until Nog explained it to him
In a world were you can make anything you want out of thin air who would have guess current economic ideals were long dead?

Really DS9's bitching about The Federation lack of money was the stupidest thing ever right next to Section 31

>>24844548
>Although they could have done without turning the poor vulcan girl into a semi-bimbo and the rest of her species indistinguishable from romulans in behaviour.
Season 4 fixed that

more or less Romulans were dicking around Vulcan culture for a few decades in order to take over them Archer ends up saving them by finding surak's soul and writings

>>24845000
season 1-3 or 4?

because those are two very different people

>>24845597
well you have to remember they were based on 90's business men who were all super sex assholes

>>24858952
Ulkesh.
http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Ulkesh

>>24860916
>section 31
>stupid
you're stupid!

>>24842494
>low dex

Isn't he a fucking mechanic? Doesn't he need good dexterity to do mechanic things?

On a side note, why are we stating DnD? What about other major systems? Can we stat him for every system?

>>24864364
not really, considering mechanics in star trek tend to just point things at other things rather than manually prodding and connecting small components. Also having higher dexterity would imply he's more agile in general, which he isn't.

>>24844485
Enterprise, albeit suffering from the network canning them, was actually pretty decent. Seasons one and two were similar to how TNG felt with overarching stories, season three was more like DS9 in the continual storyline aspect, and season 4 (which they knew was going to be their last season) had some really cool episodes and short two or three episode story arcs.

The cast is actually pretty good, with a set up that makes you fear it could turn into Voyager, they actually turn out to be pretty awesome characters with great funny moments and good serious Star Trek in between.

I enjoyed it, but it was as different from previous Star Trek as the new JJ Abrams movie was different from old Star Trek.

>>24854089
>vegans
>disgusting disease
>has obviously never eaten vegan food

Dude, I'm not even vegan and I have issues with stuck-up vegan mentality, but that food is fucking chronic as all fuck.

>>24844485

The only episide I've seen is the one where they find a Vulcan ship that had gone missing.

It was well done and scary as fuck.

>>24859746

no they don't.

Besides, they are more like guidelines anyway.

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>>24860916

>Section 31
>Stupid

>>24844485
The best thing about Enterprise was that it really did make you feel the ship was a piece of shit.

Oh it was Mary Sue to fuck in later episodes, but earlier ones gave you the impression it was nothing more than a brick in space. Half the time the warp drive barely went for more than 3 hours before having to be shut off, and it was so pitifully armed I honestly cannot understand how anyone took earth seriously as an interstellar power.

Does anyone remember the episode where his wife got turned into an underaged girl and was still trying to be... "wifely" to him, and he felt really awkward about it? It was the one where Picard gets turned into a little boy.

>>24864990
>that food is fucking chronic
Ergo, it's a disease.

>>24868133

Yep! It's "Rascals", an episode in the sixth season. You can just see the nope in his eyes when she cuddles up next to him

>>24869329
I thing he was using some weird local slang.

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>>24842443
He's proof that its not always bad to be an enlisted in a Space Opera. Master Chief is another case of "I don't need a commission to get shit done properly" senior NCO.

Most Space Operas or Knight-errant tales the protagonists are barely pubescent commissioned officers fresh from an academy. Real life brand new Ensigns/Lieutenants aren't even trusted to put their helmets on properly.

>>24868028
>I honestly cannot understand how anyone took earth seriously as an interstellar power
3 Words -
Captain. Johnathan. Archer.
The man who stares down any threat.
The man who first orders a transporter be used for living specimens.
The man who makes the galaxy realize that humans are not something you want to piss off no matter how advanced your tech is.

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http://larptrek.com/

I'll just leave this here.

It's a webcomic of TNG characters roleplaying DS9. Miles playes Keiko. Keiko plays Miles.

>>24877443
More like Big Daddy Vulcan taking care of it's bitch planets. SOMEHOW Earth was stubborn and clever enough to sneak out from under their iron death grip. Also fucking with the Klingons and Jeffrey Combs and somehow creating slightly-better-relations than the Vulcans ever had? Totally useful to keep around.

>>24877521
Get out of here, T'Pol, we all know that you're nothing but eye-candy.

>>24877553
Well that's season 1 in a nutshell. Enterprise blundering around being useless while still somehow coming out ahead. Also knocking Vulcans down a peg.

Season 2 got...... funky.... I kinda like that they were having fun with the show, not tying it into 15 seasons of the same goddamn thing(TNG) but they went PRETTY out there. Jeffrey Combs is still the best thing to ever happen to Star Trek.

>>24877494
We have to go deeper.

>>24877573
Was he the one who played the Andorian?
Scran?
Because he was absolutely brilliant.

>>24877613
Brunt(Ferengi), Weyun(Vorta), and Shran(?) yeah, the Rodian. Also he did some dude on Voyager and a bunch of voices for the games. He's also Herbert West: REANIMATOR.

Seriously one of my favorite people to ever exist. Also I may already regret admitting to such knowledge of Star Trek.

>>24845682

>It would have been nice if the set would have lived with the series. Slowly systems are jury-rigged, fixes are made, with ration of power replicator use is limited and new materials must be acquired elsewhere, so broken things might fixed with alien machinery and clothing might become more mixed as uniforms can't be fixed and alternatives have to be found. Stuff like that.

good point.

A moment spent passing through a deck that was stripped down to support conduits and empty quarters with the bedding scavenged would have gone far to show progression of Any kind of restriction in energy/spares. Almost anything would have been better than "well, everything is cosmetically fine, except for when -plot- is bolted on to the hull"

>>24877765
A lot of that stuff did SORT of happen... I mean, cosmetically it was okay, but the crew was janky as hell, they were constantly scavenging for food and shit(though uniforms are actually replicated from human waste, so sayeth Enterprise, probably TNG)

It would have been great to have... linearity. I never watched B5 but I may, someday. I hear the characters are very well written.

>>24842523
Very much so. This man, for example, is pretty awesome in Hell on Wheels.

>>24860776
>>24860870
I don't remember that either. Enlighten us.

>>24877494
Man, this comic is actually pretty good.
The guy is actually funny, and knows how to do timing.