http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=GuPQ"Five bucks says it's the StuG." Roys says over the comms.You are the commander of Black Jack, an M26 Pershing Heavy Tank and you'll take some of that action. "Betting on a tank without a turret? Brave. Five on the Panzer IV." You say, reaching down across the breach of the cannon to shake your loader's hand on it.Black Jack is sitting on the other side of a low from where most of the other tanks should be starting. Hull down and with a great view of the battlefield. It had been an hour since the battle had begun, and forty-five minutes since you'd reached your defilade position.You pop back up above the hatch with your binoculars. Scanning the forests below you for signs of tank movement."See anything?" Rose asks from the gunner's seat. "A few dust trails, no reports though." It had taken the girls nearly 20min to figure out how to drive their tanks in a straight line that didn't include fences, cars, houses or other vulnerable private and public property and it had taken another hour for the girls to make it to their respective starting points. You didn't expect there'd be any contact between them for a while."Getting bored down here, Commander." Richard says from below. You actually had expected things to move along a bit faster.>"Alright, let's get down this hill and see if we can't find something to kill.">"Let's the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors."
>"Let's the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors."I didn't lose any body parts today, OP.
>>24832686[X] "Alright, let's get down this hill and see if we can't find something to kill."
>>24832686>"Let's the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors."Letting them learn is very important. We do want them to win.
>"Let the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors.">But keep watch. No need to get cocky.Don't need to be plot-killed in the training mission. That'd be terrible.
>>24832686>"Let's the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors."Find somewhere to hull down and observe. It'll be hilarious to watch babby's first tonk battle.
>"Let's the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors."
>>24832686>"Let's the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors."
>>24832686>"Let's the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors."And more then that, I ain't givin' up a good firing position for nuthin'
>"Let's the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors."In30minutes b4 chink tonk gets the drop on us.
>>24832686>Turn on Radio, rock out to JPop.>Wait.
>>24832766I'm still trying to figure out how the I-Go would get the drop on us. Babby's first goomba stomp maybe?
>>24832766On the amusing side, the .50 AP rounds penetrate 2 inches of steel at 200m. I-Go has 13.7mm
>>24832686>>"Let's the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors."lets go easy on the terrible rape-for now. We will never hear the end of it if we loose to a bunch of people who have never driven a tank before.
>>248328151 inch, rather. Which translates to 25.4mm.
>>24832686>>"Let's the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors."No sense in ruining the learning they can get out of this. We take them out to quickly and they will learn nothing
>>24832686>>"Let's the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors."
OH BOY OH BOY
>>24832686"Let's the noobies have their fun- we'll kill off the survivors."
>>24832840Our thinnest armor is 50mm
Anyone else playing WoT while we wait?
>>24833025Nice.>>24832910>I-Go main armament>57 mm Type 90 gun>20mm Pen at 500 M.>we have a minimum of 50.Their fucked.
>>24833052I thought we all were?
>>24832910>The Type 90 57 mm Tank Gun ... could penetrate of 20 mm of armor at 500 mI think it'll all work out.Unless we get [spoilers]Maus'd[/spoilers]
>>24833052Nah, I'm done for the night. T5 games with t3's is too much, and my game was lagging on my StuGIII.
Anyone up for a GuP Platoon?
>>24833127>I-go gets on top of black jack>We drive around with them on top for the rest of the practice match>Totem-tankIt would certainly be interesting
>>24832910I meant we could literally use the pintle mounted M2 to take down their tank.
>>24833195...I think were contractually obligated to do this now.
>>24833234that's just because the M2 was a fucking beast, and could take out anything the Italians ever made (P40 doesn't count, the Germans made all but 3).Actually, the Pz38(t) should also be worried bout .50 cal justice, armor gets as thin as 10mm.
>>24833234>>24833332>I-Go has 15mm of armor.>M2 Browning .50 Caliber Machine Gun>19mm at 500 yards. Without fail.
>>24833356Well, yeah. It can penetrate. Doesn't mean it will do any damage
>>24833369Any shot that would have penetrated the crew cabin sends up that little white flag from what I understand, and I think taking down a tank with our MG would be brilliant.
SO HOW ABOUT THAT TWITTER HUH OP?
>>24833369With the M2's rate of fire and precision, I'd bet my left nut we'd hit something important pretty fast.
>>24833369>>24833452Considering its range is 500 yards for a pen, and its rated for soft target accurate shots at nearly a mile and a half. The I-Go and anything with less the 20mm or armor is fucked.
>>24833452That's also assuming they don't panic. They're rookies, I can see them freaking out over getting blasted with a .50 cal machinegun if the armor won't even stand up that well to it.
>>24833369>Will be penetrating the armor, allowing it to damage whatever the heck's on the other side, be it the engine, the ammo, the gas-tank, or a seriously unlucky crewman>no damage
Let's take the M2 Challenge. Are you a bad enough dude to defeat the garupans armed only with your trusty Ma Deuce?
>>24833522ARE YOU IMPLYING I'M NOT BAD ENOUGH?!
>>24833495Let me rephrase that then. It appears as though it's just barely enough to penetrate. If it expends all of it's kinetic energy penetrating, I don't imagine that there will be all that much left that would actually inflict enough damage to trigger the flag.Assuming the computer is advanced enough to keep track of that sort of thing.
>>24833522What >>24833548 said!
>>24833548I dunno, are you?
>>24833522>Find the STUG>Track it with the M2>Get on its side>Push it until we find a bend deep enough to flip it over>VictoryNo idea how to deal with the Pz.IV though.
>>24833587shoot it with our 90mm main gun?
>>24833564>M2 pens 19mm at 550 yards.>I-go has 15. All? try not.>>24833587Lol. tracked. StuGIII. Pushed and shoved. do the same to the Pz and ram is rear. kill its engine. will cut hydraulics. then repeat the StuG take down.
>>24833587That tactic would work as well, or better, on a Pz4, as it's more top heavy.
>>24833564Metal doesn't work like that. It will either penetrate with enough kinetic energy to AT THE VERY LEAST give someone a nasty bruise, or it won't penetrate at all.
>>24833616I guess you aren't a bad enough dude then...
>>24833587Panzer IV has 20mm of vertical side armor and 20mm of slightly sloped rear armor.
>>24833587Good luck pushing it sideways at anything more than a crawl with our 500HP engine.
>>24833575YOU BET YOUR SMUG HAIRLESS FACE I'M BAD ENOUGH!
>>24833629Really? I didn't know that.I'll just show myself out then, because obviously I have no place in this discussion.Though I still think it wouldn't do shit.
>>24833628Yeah but it's also got a rotating turret and it might get a lucky pen in eventually.
>>24833647>22mm pen at 100 yards.Well shit. its done too.StuG has 20mm on the rear too. This shits doable!
>>24833629You realize no actual penetration takes place, right?The I-go could withstand a direct hit from the Maus main gun and it wouldn't be structurally compromised.
>>24833629actually, just the act of things penetrating the armor would typically be lethal to the crew. Look up "Spalling".
>>24833701>looks it upAh, that's what I was thinking of, thank you
>>24833738The cabins are reinforced with modern technology and the guns fire special ammo designed not to kill little girls.
>>24833738Anime physics. It's how nobody actually gets hurt.
>>24833738The shells don't actually pen- a computer in the shell tells the tank it's dead, and raises a flag on the roof. Something about "carbon coating" or some shit
>>24833564If it has enough to pen a tank armor, even the spalling behind the armor will be enough to main or kill whatever is sitting behind it.
>>24833701You think spalling is bad, look what rivets do when hit. M3 was fucking mess in more than one way
>>24833809Look at what happens to an M113 when an RPG hits aluminum armor.
I think the only tank we can't down with the M2 Browning .50 Caliber Machine Gun is the lee.Shit, we might be able to pull off a full win with just the M2.
>>24833791That is a much, much better explanation than >>24833779
>>24833817Or warships like the Sheffield.
>>24833701Actually, spalling was/is lethal to crews... Even if the shot DOESN'T penetrate. The massive 122mm and 155mm guns the Soviets used were notorious for killing crews either through sheer concussive impact, or spalling damage, even when they didn't penetrate. The British Challenger 2 (their current MBT) uses HESH rounds (High Explosive Squash Head), which are designed primarily to cause spalling damage and kill crews inside vehicles even when it doesn't penetrate. The primary defense against spalling damage, is padded lining interior designed to absorb spalling shrapnel, which western allied tanks all use now.
>>24833833Yeah, just because we can, doesn't mean we should. Just hit them with the main gun and be done with it. Should be a one and done deal across the board.
>>24833872It's a practice match and we're the only crew that's even been in a tank before, never mind mock combat experience. Giving them a handicap is fair, and using only the M2 is a clever handicap.
"What's the point of a training match if we just roll down there and smite them like the fist of an angry god?" You say. "Let them get some practice in shooting each other up- we've got a good defensive position.""Can I at least turn on the radio?" Patrick asks."Can you find something that doesn't suck?" You say, grinning as you scan the valley below."It's all Japanese, but I can try."A few minutes of turning through various stations rewards you with a station playing western classic rock. Thank God for Ameriphiles, you think before the quiet pop of a tank gun wafts up to Black Jack's position. "Contact! I hear guns!" You say excitedly, scanning across the trees. "Who was it?" Rose asks. "Too quiet for a seventy-five..." You guess. "Probably the 38' or the I-Go." As you scan across a road, you finally see the cause of the commotion. Miho's Panzer IV comes whipping out of the woods before turning onto a service road. You switch over to the telescope sight in the hull, switching over to 6x to watch the action. "Looks like the Panzer IV with..." A bright pink blod emerges from the woods next, attempting to turn onto the fleeing Panzer IV for a shot, but firing much too early and sending the 75mm round into a burm of dirt along the road. "There's the Lee."And then, a few second later a garish golden tank emerges from the forest, seemingly shooting randomly at the Lee and Pz.IV. "There's the President's Thirty-Eight.">Engage- Vengence will be ours!>Screw with them- Let's have some fun first.>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.
>>24833872Its overkill, and counter productive. We don't want them jumping at the roar of our Pershing. Imagine what will happen if they hear the KV-2's main gun roar.
>>24833931>Screw with them- Let's have some fun first.Use the M2!
>>24833931>>Screw with them- Let's have some fun first.>Screw with them- Let's have some fun first.Also, lost you trip dude.
>>24833931>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.
>>24833965Still mad, britbongs?
>>24833931>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.Good things come to those who wait
>>24833931Engage with the M2
>>24833931Where's the fucking I-go?
>>24833931>Screw with them- Let's have some fun first.I am a bad enough dude for the M2 Challenge.
>>24833931>>Screw with them- Let's have some fun first.
>Screw with them- Let's have some fun first.Our turn now, Pres. Do enjoy the fun.
>>24833996Mad at the French for giving the Argies weapons while we were at war with them?YesVery much so
>>24834018Sneaking up on us, probably.
>>24833931[x] Screw with them- Let's have some fun first.
>>24833931>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.Let them have their fun first. If the PzIV doesn't get them, we will.
>>24833931That was me. Dunno why it got rid of my trip.
>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.I'm curious to see if they survive. And let's not give away our position yet, as >>24834018 pointed out.
>>24833931>>Screw with them- Let's have some fun first.time for some Ma Duece action!
>>24834041Well it's not like they didn't do the same shit with the Yanks.
>>24833931>>Screw with them- Let's have some fun first.Let's introduce them to our Ma'...Deuce.
>>24833931>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.Let them marinate a bit. Take them when they're at their most confident.
>>24833931Screw around with 'em a bit. Be mindful of the I-Go.
>>24833931>>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.
>>24833931Considering the I-GO is probably doing some sneaky squirell shit, Imma go with >Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.
>>24834043Probably not, since we're concealed. I consider it likely they're actually doing the same thing we are, and watching and waiting.Trick is, firing on them with the Ma Deuce is basically giving away our position and engaging, not only the president but for everyone else too. As pointed out, they need the practice, and anyone coming after US is getting blasted.
>>24834041Don't worry. Murriclap here; you guys were pretty badass in the Falklands. Couldn't resist mentioning the Sheffield.
>>24833931>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.Practice for them is far more important than screwing around for us.
>>24833931>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.Im going with this because I more want the others to start thinking: "Uhh...guys...where is the Pershing?"
>>24834139Fighting a war in the middle of nowhere on the other side of the world, *without* the Yank's magical logistical train is pretty fucking badass, yeah.
>>24834121It's hard to pinpoint sounds in a forest and I don't think we have tracers loaded. It would let them know we're close and which direction we are in but unless one of them was silly enough to pop out of the hatch and look for us while under MG fire they probably wouldn't find us.Actually a lot of garupans would be silly enough to pop out of the hatch while under MG fire. I'm having second thoughts about this thing.
>>24833931>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.As much as I want to ram into the Student Council's tank and physically maul their paintjob, we still need them to make the minimum number of teams for a regulation match.But that doesn't mean we can't hound them at the very end when they're tired.
>>24833931>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team."More importantly, where's the 38 and the Igor?"
>>24834187You're just lucky we didn't have to intervene, Monroe doctrine and all that.
Who gives a shit about the I-Go that thing can't hurt us. Where is the fucking stug?
>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.
Wheres the StuG and the I-GO? this is not good.
>>24834264Good question, though it should be very easy to spot since they did the paint job/flags early
>>24834230>Implying Monroe means anything other than a blank check for the Yanks to do as they please in the American Continents.Last time it was invoked against a European power it was to steal colonies from Spain under an embarrassingly flimsy pretext. So yeah.
>>24834417>Implying Manifest destiny wasn't just Imperialism
>>24834121I have to say I have mixed feelings on the .50 cal idea in general anyway. On the one hand it's funny so I kind of want to attempt it, but on the other it's also just seems kind of dickish in a "haha man you guys SUCK" sort of way that probably can't do anything good for the teams already likely shaky morale and confidence. There's instilling healthy fear and then there's just crushing spirits...
>>24834543We crush their spirits and rebuild them in our image.
>>24833931>>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.Leave them be. Mind the I-Go/Stug/38t
Remember when we used to talk about WoT?
>>24834543True. On the other hand, if we can shoot at them with the .50, we could also probably blow them to bits with the main cannon too. So it could also be in the vein of 'going easy on them', somewhat like we are for not rampaging from the word 'Go'.
>>24834580And autosage the thread when we're only five legit posts in? Yeah, no.
>Leave them be- they need practice just as much as the rest of the team.>>24834580I prefer that compared to other topics (such as Murricunts being Murricunts)
>>24834417>LiberateHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH yeah no.Took you nigh on three decades to "liberate" the Phillipines even slightly, and that was only because you didn't have the money left to keep the colony going. And you've still got your claws in Guam and Puerto Rico.Besides which, even with The Roosevelt Corollary (which would've arguably brought the US in on the British side) the wording of the doctrine, no matter how abused it's been to spread Yank Imperialism, is that it applies only to the extension of European colonialism into Latin America.So it doesn't apply at all, really.
>>24834604the same thing will happen for different reasons as if it isn't obvious enough.
>>24834606>>24834417>>24834389No offense, but this is kind of off topic. Would you mind either stopping, or at least saging?
>>24834445>>24834467>>24834606>Eurofags not recognizing self-deprecating sarcasm when they see it
>>24834627and what would saging do? It still counts towards the post limit and the thread is active enough to stay near the top anyway.SAGE GOES IN ALL FIELDS
>>24834658>Yanks>Being self-deprecating properly
>>24834674My mistake. In that case, I'd like to ask ya'll to please just stop.
"Want me to light them up?" Rose asks from below you.You think for a second. While knocking that smug little twin-tailed hobbet off the road would probably be fun and would almost certainly make you feel a lot better about the current baby-blue coloration of your tank, the council needs practice as much as anyone else on the team.Certainly their gunner. Even forgiving the fact that their tank was moving along as near-top speed, she wasn't even close to being on target."Nah, let 'em go." You say, watching the 38(t) try to take a sharp turn and nearly spin itself off the road. "Shooting them like this just wouldn't be sporting." You say with a grin.You put your helmet on and get ready to pop the hatch open again a large stand of rocks beside your tank explodes, showering the side of the tank with steel and stone shrapnel. "Jesus!" You yelp. "Contact! Richard get the engine going!" You move to the periscope site, scanning along treelines and and hills. That was almost certainly a 75mm round, and if it wasn't the PzIV or the M3...PATANG! Black Jack rocks as a round bounces off the side of the turret- the round shattering on impact rather than doing any real damage- and you saw where that one came from."Bingo!" You say. "Target StuG III, forty-two degrees left rotation." You hit the commander override. "Frontal silouette, target stationary. Range thirteen-hundred. Bringing you on-target.">Load HVAP. Engage to destroy.>Load HE and let them know we see them.>Back off down the hill- they won't have a clear view so they'll be forced to find another target.
>>24834735>Load HE and let them know we see them.Let's see how well they will react.
>>24834735>Load HVAP. Engage to destroy.
>>24834735>Load HVAP. Engage to destroy.We're happy to let them fun, but if poked, we're not going to fuck around.Keep an eye out for I-Go flanking, though.
>>24834735>Load HVAP, Engage to destroy>while screaming "YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!!!!" etc
>>24834735[x] Load HE and let them know we see them.
>>24834735>Load HVAP. Engage to destroy
>Load HVAP. Engage to destroy.
>>24834735>Load HE and let them know we see them.
>>24834735>>Load HVAP. Engage to destroy.You fucked with the WRONG TANK, and what better way to teach the consequences of poor target choices?
>>24834735>Load HE and let them know we see them.Let's not shitkick them just yet.
>Load HVAP. Engage to destroy.Let's take the kid gloves off.
>>24834735>Load HVAP. Engage to destroy.We do not play around.
>>24834735>>Load HE and let them know we see them.
>>24834735>Load HVAP. Engage to destroy.Sorry Saemonza, baby, but you threw the first punch.
Eitehr load HVAP or back away out of sight. They've got us zeroed in, NO POINT in foffing around. If we do, we're just giving them free shots and asking to get knocked out ourselves.
>>24834735>Load HE and let them know we see them.Let's see how well they respond to coming under fire.
>Load HE and let them know we see them.Then we drive closer, and use the M2 to track and finish them. WE CAN DO IT!
>>24834735>Load HVAP. Shoot and scoot.I-Go is probably gonna try and ninja us from the side we need to vacate ASAP
>>24834735>>Load HE and let them know we see them.Lets give them a polite knocking, eh?
>>24834735>>Load HE and let them know we see them.No sense in ending things so quickly for them. They need practice too. They are going to need to get in closer and aim for better spots to break our armor.
>>24834854They'd probably have to be a foot away to pen us.
>>24834735>Load HE and let them know we see them."Hey guys, feel like being a badass?">Load HVAP. MRSI doubletap them!
>>24834735>>Load HE and let them know we see them.Don't knock them out. They all need as much practice as they can get. After, we need to gtfo and find somewhere else to hunker down in.
>Load HE and let them know we see them.Everyone needs all the practice they can get. Don't knock them off too soon.
>Load HVAP. Engage to destroy.THEN>Back off down the hill- they won't have a clear view so they'll be forced to find another target.Shoot'n'scoot. As I said before, they have us zeroed.
>>24834885The StuG is a credible threat to us. it'll put holes in our ass all day everyday, and when it gets a bead on your side, you can get some swiz cheese.
I think it's a trap.
>>24834885lies.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.5_cm_KwK_40106mm of penetration at 100m.Our maximum armor is 100mmand minimum around 50.it can pop through our softspots at 2km awayIts totally a threat.
>>24834735>Load HVAP. Engage to destroy.Maybe this will teach them to be a bit more patient, as befitting their tank.
>>24834949It's more like 5.5" with sloping taken into account.
>>24834735>Load HVAP. Engage to destroy.While this is a game, it also isn't a game.
While we may want to destroy the StuG, the chance of the I-GO coming up behind us is about 100%
>>24834919>>24834949Yeah, I know, it was a joke ;)
>>24835038Engage it with the .50
>>24834885Might be able to punch one through the turret's seam. Not a gamble I want ot make too often.
>>24835042I didn't chose the Stug life, the Stug life chose me.
>>24835049The I-Go or the StuG?'cause the M2 isn't doing shit to a StuG.
>>24835073Do you not like fun?
>>24835091The I-Go, obviously.
>>24835091At 100 yards it'll pen the things rear.20mm rear armor kinda sucks.
What if we used Panzerschrecks to turn the I-Go from peasant smasher to Ontos?Pic related
>>24835205This is an Ontos, for reference.
>>24835224German tanks and weapons are still allowed to be called Panzers, due to their German nature, it's everything else we should be objecting to.
>>24835224A bit odd, actually. Clearly, serving smoke grenades out the commander's hatch is kosher.Would there be a rule saying they can't carry a panzerschreck with league ammo in the tank?
>>24835299>Pintle mounted PanzerschrekThat is a hilarious mental image, you know.
>>24835272"Hey, jim, you know all those guns we have lying around?""yeah""lets put them all on the same tank!""Fucking brilliant"
>>24835299I doubt they have special Panzerschreck rounds that won't actually damage tanks. Smoke Grenades are okay as they're not meant to be lethal weapons.
>>24835299If theres even schrecks with league ammo around.Personally what would be utter hilarity would the PIAT, since it stands to reason the only person capable of using one would be ridiculously fit.And because HEAT rounds stronk.link relatedhttp://fc03.deviantart.net/fs40/f/2009/025/e/8/Bios_from_Valkyria__examples_by_J2001.jpgSecond one down, someone who could be a PIAT operator that wouldn't be out of place here
>>24835370>Promoted to the Role of WifeMy sides
>>24835370Fit? well loading tank rounds might help build muscle for it (Yukari being the loader ends up pretty strong, that and she ends up working out regularly)On that note..... Mmmm..... leotard Yukari.
>>24835362IIRC, League Rules would prohibit the use of anything that they didn't have/couldn't have done/didn't do.Panzerschrecks weren't shot out of the turrets of tanks.The Japanese didn't have Panzerschrecks.So that's two strikes against it.
>>24835415Doubt they had smoke flares either.
If we have smoke, we definately should definately use them after we fire and scoot out.
>>24835415Okay, a Type 4 70 mm AT Rocket Launcher then.Nip Bazooka, basically.
>>24835415It's not like there isn't a precedent for modifications like this, albeit more for rocket artillery.See: Sherman Calliope, Panzerwerfer, etc.
>>24835494PIAT Mortar battery....
>>24835440WRONG, they had smoke flares in ww2.
The problem is that panzershrecks are fuckhuge and there isn't room to have one in the tank, and that we aren't supposed to have our entire torso sticking out when someone is shooting at us.
>>24835530They had panzerschreks in WW2, too.My point is that they weren't chucking them out of tank cupolas by hand, which seems to be the quoted posts' objection.It was worded poorly, i'll grant.
>>24835532Actually the field modification of Panzershreks onto vehicles in order to make improvised AT vehicles has significant historic precedent. http://www.oocities.org/pizzatest/panzerfaust3.htm
>>24835659big difference between a couple nutjobs strapping a pair of schrecks to a captured bren and firing one out the hatch of an I-Go.
>>24835659Awesome, let's do it. Even if it's just strapped to the I-Go's turret, it'll give the volleyball team at least one shot that can seriously fuck up its opponents. That'll open up an "unconventional tactic" for whoever was reaching for them the last few threads.
"Bad move, Erwin." You say under your breath. "Load HVAP. Engage."A few seconds later you hear the round being rammed home. "Up!" Roy shouts."Fire!" You call out."Firing." Rose says calmly. The tank shakes and rocks as the ninety-millimeter shell arcs out towards the StuG. You see it disappear into the woods behind the German self-propelled gun, right through where the turret would've been on a normal tank."Correct down, one degree. Engage." you call down- the gun lowers slightly."Up!""Firing." The tanks rocks again as the hills still echo with the report of your first shot. The rounds strikes true- it impacts almost dead center on the StuG, just below and to the left of the gun. The impact carries it back a good three feet before a small white flag pops out of the top."Target destroyed!"A loud 'ting" shows that you've been spotted by someone else- another shell has bounced off your turret.>Pull back, if they want to engage they can come to us.>Stay up- Try to see who's shooting at you.>Go down- Everyone knows you're here, might as well go have some fun now.
>>24835875>Pull back, if they want to engage they can come to us.
>>24835813Hence why the Ontos was mentioned. It's not like they're pulling a panzerschreck out of the fighting compartment and out the hatch. That would be retarded (if an amusing mental image).
>>24835875>Pull back, if they want to engage they can come to us. Shoot and scoot, that's how you do it.Also pop smoke if we have it
>Pull back, if they want to engage they can come to us.
>>24835813Tankwando allows prototypes so I don't see why documented field mods would be out.
>>24835875>Pull back, if they want to engage they can come to us.We are smart enough to have an alternate, right?
>>24835875>Pull back, if they want to engage they can come to us
>>24835875>>Pull back, if they want to engage they can come to us.
>>24835875>>Pull back, if they want to engage they can come to us.Shoot 'n' scoot
>>24835875>Pull back, if they want to engage they can come to us.Come and get me!
>Pull back, if they want to engage they can come to us.Overextension is bad; let's evaluate what's shooting us and where it's coming from.
>>24835875Two hits on us?The whole team's accuracy average is a lot higher than this point in the series, even without counting us.
>>24835875>Pull back, if they want to engage they can come to us.Shoot and scoot, baby.
>>24836074We were stationary and watching something else as they flanked us. And got pretty close.
>>24836146>1300 meters>pretty close
>>24836146Hopefully the lesson we take away from this is that we have to step our situational awareness game up if we want to do well in this team-based shit.
>>24836179He means the people who landed a hit on us after we wrecked the StuG
We should taunt them over the tacnet
>>24836318No. We should offer tactical corrections over the TacNet. For example, "Nice job sneaking up on us, but in future you're gonna want to pick out the weak spots and really make that first shot count."
"Alright, Richard, we've got a bit too much attention for my likes." You say trying to figure out where the round game from.PATANG! Dammit, where is that coming from?"Moving back." Black Jack drops back down behind the lip of the hill.You take a look at the map. Two shots, both from the right front. Small caliber rounds meant it wasn't the Pz.IV. You needed to get into cover before the guns that could actually penetrate you figured out where you were.Didn't help that the 90mm was about the louding gun around. You'd probably broadcast your position to every other tank out there- something you hadn't had to worry about before. "Alright, get on this road." You do some quick calculations- the battlefield was on a boat so the map wasn't necessarily oriented by the compass. >Stay in the hills, you can use your strong turret and gun depression to your advantage, even if they know where you are.>Head down into the forest- you can lose them easily once you're in the bushes.>Cry havok and let slip the hounds of war!
>>24836318We should not, because1) We're more experienced than they are,2) Our tank is better than theirs,3) We're not that immature
>>24836346I'd back this up, but we're currently getting shot at by the I-go, presumably. How about we offer them both some suggestions after we smoke them?
>Stay in the hills, you can use your strong turret and gun depression to your advantage, even if they know where you are.Abuse every and all advantage you have.
>>24836402Spoken like a true WoT player.Seconding.
>>24836360>Head down into the forest- you can lose them easily once you're in the bushes.Make them chase us; it'll be good practice for their driver.
>>24836371We had also ought to commend the Stug's gunner for the shot. Not an easy one by any stretch. Perhaps suggest other tactics?
>>24836360>Stay in the hillsWith the stupid paintjob, I'm not sure I want to count on being able to hide.
>>24836360>Stay in the hills, you can use your strong turret and gun depression to your advantage, even if they know where you are.Observe how a good player works, pubbies, and learn.
>>24836360Moving into the forest works both ways. We might be able to slip past them, but they'd sneak up on us just as easily. Hell, they'd have an easier time sneaking around on bushes than us, considering how small most of them were.Stay in the hills. Abuse our range and armor.
>>24836360[x]Stay in the hills, you can use your strong turret and gun depression to your advantage, even if they know where you are.go hull down and just snipe people
>>24836361That and have nothing against the history team.
>>24836360>>Stay in the hills, you can use your strong turret and gun depression to your advantage, even if they know where you are.Play it smart. I do want to get at least one, M2 kill, though.
>>24836498Probably a thing to try. Might also be good to pop the hatch and start casting about with the binos for our assailant. If it is the I-Go, lets give it some .50 .
>>24836360>Stay in the hills, you can use your strong turret and gun depression to your advantage, even if they know where you are.
>>24836433Let's stay in the hills, also let's do this.
>Stay in the hills, you can use your strong turret and gun depression to your advantage, even if they know where you are.Forest is a terrible idea. We can't lose anyone while blue.
What would you guys say to putting a camo scheme on Blackjack? I was thinking either multicam or kryptek highlander.
>>24836360stay in the hills! and for god's sake, WHERE IS THAT I-GO?
>>24836648Olive Drab #7.
>>24836360>Stay in the hills, you can use your strong turret and gun depression to your advantage, even if they know where you are.Range will make all the difference. Especially if we are mostly sitting this one out and waiting for the last one standing.
>>24836648unless its a camo from the same era the tank was made in, you can fuck right off
Oh god not this shit again.
>>24836648If your only experience with camo patterns is call of duty... you should probably leave before the /k/ids get angry
>>24836665>>24836658Ok, sounds good. Camo kinda blows for vehicles anyhoo. Though, Tactical Tailor's scorpion done up in multicam looks rather handsome.
>>24836685HAHA, It's paint time!
>>24836703It ain't. I love me some of that green atacs. Got me a smock, some armor, and a belt in it.
>>24836783good. Thought we would have *another* paint riot on our hands
Remember Comrades>Dark GreenOr>Dark Green and Brown camo pattern
>>24836816It's Reflective Green, or the dull-coat version... Russian Green.
>>24836816>Not Red, White, and BlueAnon, pls
"Alright, take a right here." Further back there's a short gulley- you can back into it and force them to come at your front armor one-by-one. "Alright, follow the road..." "Aye." Richard says. It's slow-going, most of the road is uphill and the M26's biggest weakness was an underpowered engine that made hilly terrain it's biggest enemy. Richard handles the clutch and gears like a pro, giving the M26 it's best possible time. Meanwhile you're looking"Alright, back in here." Now the waiting game begins- hopefully whoever was shooting at you is less patient and decides to come after you.The only question is how long you want to wait- If the girls go back to shooting at each other then the longer you wait, the fewer you'll have to face. But if the girls decide to get smart and team up to take you, then this gulley could go from an ambush point to your own personal Armor Alamo.>Wait for a while- they're mostly noobies and they'll probably have a short attention span.>Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.
>>24836921>>Wait for a while- they're mostly noobies and they'll probably have a short attention span.
>>24836921[X] Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.
>>24836921>Wait for a while- they're mostly noobies and they'll probably have a short attention span.Not even a question.
>Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.We're going to give them a chance, but we aren't going to hand them the game. And this is supposed to be a free for all. Push 'em a bit.
>>24836921>>Wait for a while- they're mostly noobies and they'll probably have a short attention span.We still want them to get experience-not just going in guns blazing and pwning everything in sight
>>24836921>Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.Camping is lame
>>24836921>>Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.Proactivity in tanks is life.
>>24836963Actually, correction: If not this? At least move to a another (hopefully better) position after we're sure nobody is following us, just in case they do try to gang up on us.
>>24836921>>Wait for a while- they're mostly noobies and they'll probably have a short attention span.Let the noobs noob'.
>>24836921>Go hull down and wait for a while- they're mostly noobies and they'll probably have a short attention span.Don't abandon a good position
>>24836921>>Wait for a while- they're mostly noobies and they'll probably have a short attention span.Also >gulleyI think i know where this is ging
>Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.Endgame time. Roll out!
>>24836921>Wait for a while- they're mostly noobies and they'll probably have a short attention span.
>>24836921>Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.Never underestimate your opponents, no matter how terrible they may be.
>>24837028or going, even
>Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.SOMEDAY LOVE WILL FIND YOUBREAK THOSE CHAINS THAT BIND YOUAND ONE NIGHT, WILL REMIND YOUHOW WE TOUCHED AND WENT OUR SEPARATE WAYS
>>24836921>Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.Hunting time.
>>24837003 Here, switching to >Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.a gulley is a terrible position to be in, you'll get someone coming down behind you and fucking you in the ass
>>24837003It's only a good position for an ambush. If they gang up on us, we can't take them all. We'd be better off somewhere where we could do a running battle.
>>24836921>>Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.
>>24837056IF HE EVER HURTS YOUTRUE LOVE WON'T DESERT YOUYOU KNOW I STILL LOVE YOUTHOUGH WE TOUCHED AND WENT OUR SEPARATE WAYSWe Journey niggas now?
>>24837056>US invading a fellow NATO memberDafuq?Also, I vote >Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.
>>24836921>Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.we've let them have their fun, time to finish this
>>24837329Because there's sooooo much oil in Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistan... Seriously Iraq is the only country ever that has had Oil and even that barely even came up in the reasoning for the invasion. Actually would that "GET THE OIL" WAS the objective, at least that would have made some fucking sense...
>>24837543A-stan has a lot of natural resources, actually, dunno about oil, but mineral/metal wealth, for sure.
>>24836921>>Go back on the hunt when you're sure they haven't followed you.Order Journey be played over the tac net. Gotta mess with them a little.
>>24837543People wouldn't have been that willing to go for it.That and I heard Afghanistan had some oil but it served more as a starting point to use the "war on terror" to invade Iraq. I mean with most of the population so drunk of patroitism and righteous indignation, no one thought about it until it was too late.Insert GW Bush, 9/11 theories here.
>>24837583>>24837543I prefer the theory that Iraq was invaded to Keep Oil prices high. Makes a lot more sense to me.
>>24837573Tons of emeralds. Fair titanium deposits if memory serves. Not much there, otherwise.
did op died?
>>24837594I thought they had a lot of rare earths too?
>>24837626that and of course opiates.
>>24837592that's equally plausible as I have a theory that the oil companies in the US keep gas prices high and only blame the arabs for any gouging they do. A oil source they control would allow them to easier control things.Whatever the case GW Bush more or less took advantage of 9/11 and its aftermath. If not for that, I'm not sure if he'd have gotten reelected.
>>24837329You realize we're on track to be a net exporter of Oil by 2015 and the largest exporter by about 2035 right?Even though exporting our oil is silly, we should keep it all to ourselves and laugh as the middle east runs out and has to beg Russia and Canada.
>>24837645Look at how prices spiked after Katrina, even for companies that didn't have infrastructure in the area affected.
>>24837676Yep. Affected companies started raising prices (let's give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they really were raising them to deal with the hit they took), then all the other vultures saw that they could raise THEIR prices and nobody would notice, so they did it.
Sure is /pol/ in here. Can we go back to talking about WoT and GuP girls?
>>24837666So, here's the thing about oil. Even if we produced enough of it domestically, all oil still gets sold on the open international market to the highest bidder (thanks, capitalism), so in the event of a suppy shock somewhere else, prices will still go up because the chinese / europeans / some other third world assholes will be buying it.
>>24837706Actually this is far too civil to be /pol/. Nobody has called anyone a "nigger faggot kike" yet.
Ma Deuce soon?
>>24837676The wonders of incredibly inelastic supply and demand. Refineries typically run at something like 95% utilization. Take a couple out of the game and BAM! Price spike.
I think it was English cheese in the sandwich.
>>24837731Of course not, this is /tg/.You Nigger faggot Heretic.
>>24837543The US produces as much oil as all OPEC members combined, anyways.
>>24837706Cute... I'd suggest a Yukari picture dump but that'd waste the image limit.
>>24837743>You Weeaboo Furfag Hereticftfy
This thread is damn slow compared to the last one.
>>24837543Vietnam and Grenada had Communists. Panama had a Canal (and hats). Afghanistan had drugs, and loonies in caves.It's less "Oil GET" as it is 'They have shit we want/don't want".
>>24837778It was always this slow.
>>24837749The US has untapped reserves of oil that are estimated to be larger than all of OPEC combined ever had, like it's been found we just don't use it because the US prefers to keep its mineral wealth reserved for after everyone else has run out.
>>24837801I don't mean OP's posting speed, I mean the discussion.
>>24837814So wait, you're saying the US government is attempting to play the long game, wait for everyone else to run dry, then get filthy fucking rich when they're the only game on the block?Clever.
>>24837827We're wary of forcing the thread to go into autosgae so fast.
>>24837792The real reason, beyond the UN never stepping up on border violations and Saddam constantly pushing around weapons inspectors, for the Iraq invasion was because Afghanistan was too remote for the real goal: draw terrorist organizations into open insurgency in the middle east.
>>24837827Well, it kept the thread alive for longer before it autosaged. I'd say it's fine. Unless you always want to end uop having another thread.
>>24837842By which time everyone will be on various forms of Hydrogen power (fusion, fuel cells, etc).>>24837845We're in autosage now; REV UP THOSE TROLL POSTS.
>>24837842Unless they hold out too long and there is widespread adoption of alternative energy sources.Cause that's totally gonna happen guys, just you wait.
>>24837845>>24837848thread hit autosage 28 posts ago
>>24837842no, hes full of shit; all of those reserves are locked up in shale or otherwise difficult to get at; the only reason we're doing it now is because with oil at $90 a barrel it's actually cost effective for companies to go after it.You end up using almost as much energy pumping it out as it has in it to begin with, too, so the EROI is pretty bad compared to regular crude.
You give it about ten minutes to be safe- Even the slowest tank wouldn't take more than that to pursue you up into the hills. Whoever was taking pot-shots at you had either given up."Alright, move us out, we're gonna hang a right and head down that service road. Should take us down into those wooded hills." Plenty of hulldown positions and you had some brush to hide in.As you moved out though, you happened to glance to the left. And there, waiting for you, is the Lee, 75mm maingun already leveled at you. "Richard, rotate left!" The tank jerks to a stop as he pulled the tank into a tight left-hand turn just in time for the seventy-five to bounce off the front hull plate."Load AP!" You yell. "Target close! Bringing you on target!" The Lee has already back around a bend in the road, though, replaced by the Panzer IV which darts off, and snaps a shot off at your face before pulling back."Up!" Roy finally calls out."Reverse back, they can't get through our front armor..." Richard does a magnificent job of that order- backing down a hill with almost no ability to see behind him, relying on your directions to keep from backing into a hill or off the embankment. The Panzer IV's definitely driving differently from what you witnessed early- you remember Hana being the driver earlier. In contrast to the jerky, clumsy driving you saw when she was being chased, now she was precise, darting out just far enough to give Yukari a shot."Ok, there's the bridge." You finally call out after a five minute running battle.A shell slams into the back of your turret. PANK!You turn and look out the back of the cupola. The 38(t) is already waiting on the other side. Alone, in the open, and completely still. As you watch, it fires another 37mm shell, bouncing it off the back of your turret.>Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky.>Turn the turret to take out the Council's tank- she's blocking your escape.
>>24837846You must watch Fox news if you believe that.As I don't think part of that plan is royally fucking over Iraq's existing infrastructure and pissing off the natives.>>24837876>>24837881Naturally as the oil company lobbied government is slow to change unlike the rest of the world.
>>24837905[X] Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky.
>Turn the turret to take out the Council's tank- she's blocking your escape.That and well they're asking for it. Though either Momo got better or Anzu's taken over the gunner's spot.
>>24837905>Engage Council tank with .50cal, engage Lee and Pz IV with main gun.
>>24837905>Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky. Full reverse into the 38(t).
>>24837905>>Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky.Take out the main threats first, student council can wait-not like they can hide anywhere in thier golden camo
>>24837950Seconding this. There's more than one way to engage another tank.
>>24837905>>Turn the turret to take out the Council's tank- she's blocking your escape.
>>24837905>Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky.Heh, they teamed up as expected. At least the whole teamwork mechanic got drilled into them fast.
>>24837905>Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- their guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky.Reverse into Anzu.
>Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky.This. We can ignore for now the 60 odd mm of pen on the Prez's 37mm gun.
>>24837905This >>24837950Ha ha time for ass.
>>24837950>Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky. Full reverse into the 38(t).Supporting this
>>24837905>Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky.Also, we can ram the 38(t) and be just fine, so we should.
>>24837906I don't watch Fox News, it's a horrible farce.But I was there. And the reality is that the worst of what we fought there were never Iraqis, they were Syrian, Iranian, Jordanian, and Saudi.
>>24837950Backing thisAlso, how the heck did Momo even hit us? Is Blackjack magnetic or something?
>>24837950>Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky. Full reverse into the 38(t).This
>>24837905>>Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky.
>>24837905We can kill the 38t on any angle but the frint with the M2 if we wish as we are probably under 200m as for the others, we know the I-go is gonna Leerooooy us at some point so watch out. >Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky. Full reverse into the 38(t). even if we do this, neither they nor the I-Go probably supporting them can Pen us.
>>24838037More like Anzu behind the gun most likely
>>24837905>Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky.I guess with us slagging the History Team, the rest of them teamed up to go against us.
>>24837905>Engage the Lee and the Pz. IVThis is it. This is where they spring their trap. Shooting our way out seems to be the only way outta this one. And with no sign of the I-Go, that must be their ace in the hole.
>>24837876>>24837881>>24837893Not all of those reserves are locked up in shale, and I wasn't just talking about oil.We have literal megatons of untapped mineral wealth like Iron, aluminum various heavy metals and shit, we've found a bunch, and are sure there's more, and we're letting them sit where they are in the earth while other countries dig it out of their deposits and sell it to us, exhausting their own supply.
>>24838023>And the reality is that the worst of what we fought there were never IraqisOf course you fought Iraqis. For like a week.While they bombarded you with artillery and you fell back and their were no tanks near Baghdad especially not the ones directly behind the minister of propaganda.
Get Pat on the M2, we need to slap down the I-go when it decides to join.
>>24838018IT"S TIMEAlso, thirding this course of action.
>>24838067>And with no sign of the I-Go, that must be their ace in the hole.>I-Go>ace>of any kind
>>24838067>Ace in the hole>I-go
>>24838121I wouldn't underestimate them with enough guts one can win even with a much inferior tank.
>>24837842No the US is playing the Japan Fishing game.There are fish in your waters, why deplete ours.PS Australia, borrowing some whales.
>>24838053No, no, no--that doesn't make sense. Miho probably counted on us taking out the STuG as a way to pinpoint our tank. After that, she moved the rest of the Ooarai girls into position not box us in.She's counting on us turning around to deal with Anzu because she knows we've got an axe to grind with her. Let's give her a taste of American Tactics.
>>24838109Bastards will probably try to goomba-stomp us.These guys are way too fucking good for people who literally had not seen the inside of a tank before today.
>>24838153It's a bit too soon for Miho to be so brillant... unless our support sped up that rate massively. Oh shit.
>>24838160They are accurate as all hell for their first time aren't they?
>>24837905>>Keep engaging the Lee and Pz.IV- they're guns can actually penetrate you if they get lucky.This!
>>24838153Well our gun is pretty much the size of a small car...Hahaha Time for BRRRRRT
Can you turn a pintle mounted MG to fire behind the tank?
>>24838205no it points in the same direction as the main gun
>>24838205With modern ones, yes. Not sure about WWII era.
>>24838192Yep if not for the history club tank hitting so close, I doubt we'd have noticed them. And if they were just a bit better at aiming, GG.
>>24837737How about one for the Freshman Team? Since they're in the Lee.
>>24838214I thought that was the coaxial gun.>>24838184I wouldn't discount the idea. Remember--she came from Black Forest, and Lord knows just how well she did over there in this iteration of the GuP-verse. Our little pep talks with her mighta just been the moral support needed to unlock her commanding skills early.
So guys, for the Freshman team, I was thinking.We can't get them a better tonk yet, but maybe we should keep an ear to the ground for the parts to upgrade their Lee to a Grant. It's not a big difference, but at least it's a little better.
>>24838214So would it be possible for soemone to get on the M2 and wreck the 38t after we ramas we hold off the Lee and Miho?
>>24838254Needs more Dan Eagleman and Alfred Walken.
>>24837995 here. Adding on to my vote:>Full reverse into the 38(t)
>>24838254It is, the pintle rotates freely, I'm just unsure if WWII era ones had collars to rotate around the hatch.>>24838214That's the coaxial, the pintle mounted gun is the one attached to the commanders hatch.
>>24838226You can, if you don't mind getting out of the commander's hatch and standing on the front hull.
>>24838254Her line at the start about watching our backs was pretty out of character too, and given how effectively she seems to have organized the rest of them, I'm beginning to wonder if her falling out with black forest was caused by something else entirely.We need to keep an eye on this one.
>OP isn't going to let us use the M2
"Richard, keep reversing." You say, hoping that the 38(t)'s popgun doesn't get a shot on your engine."Up!" Roy shouts, loading another AP rounds."Firing!" Rose states as the tank rocks again. "Confirm hit on the Lee?" She says calmly. You turn back around and check the periscope. The Lee is smoking from a hull in it's lower-glacis. "Confirmed. Lee is down." The Panzer IV immediately pulls back, having lost it's distraction. "Panzer IV is disengaging!" You say with a smile- that was a rough patch but it's looking like Black Jack took the worst of it."Alright, Rose, bringing you on target. Time to pay Anzu back for the paintjob." "Aye!""Target rear. Point blank range." The 38(t) begins reversing away, but it's far too late-"On target. Firing." A single AP round ends the match for the 38(t).>Pursue Miho back into the hills.>Back into the forest.
>>24838369>Back into the forest.The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
>>24838369>>Back into the forest.OPERATE on our terms. Not theirs.
>>24838369>Back into the forest.To the trees!
>>24838369>Back into the forest.
>>24838369>Back into the forest.I suspect she's trying to exploit our weaknesses here (namely the lack of engine power).
>>24838294Looks like they rotate around a central pivot, so you can fire to the rear from the hatch, but have to get out on the hull to shoot forward.
>>24838369>Back into the forest.Weak engines, right? Time for the magic forest.
>>24838369>Back into the forest.Unlike the noobies, Miho actually knows what she's doing.
>>24838369>Back in to the forestShe's counting on us following her. Break off contact and start hunting for the I-Go.
>>24838369>>Back into the forest.To the trees!
>>24838369>Back into the forestOperate operationally inna woods.
>>24838312Her fallout was less due to comptence in a tank but rather the fact she was concerned with saving someone before Maho fired on the tank with that person still out. Nothing to do with her tanking otherwise.It's assumed the trauma from that caused her to repress her tank knowledge, hence her less than usefulness at first. That and her docile nature stemming from being in her sister's shadow.Whatever the case, it's clear she's quickly returning to old form.>Back into the forest.With how scarily competent she is, going after her would be a terrible mistake.
>>24838416Mmm, thought they might. when did they invent the collars then?
>>24838369>Back into the forest.Like hell we are going towards our weakness
>>24838433Didn't the I-Go get caught on a rock and give up during the practice match?
>Back into the forest.If there's one thing I learned from GuP, it's that blindly pursuing an inferior force always ends terribly.
>>24838462that was the lee. it got stuck in the mud, they gunned it breaking the track and blowing the tranny
>>24838369>Back into the forest.Time for some hunting.
>>24838462That's the Lee. And it didn't get stuck in a rock, it somehow dug a ditch in the mud while trying to reverse.
>>24838462In canon, maybe but at the same Miho wasn't able to pull what she just did in this.
>Pursue Miho back into the hills.Do NOT go back into the forest. The Pz IV has greater maneuverability than us, and our longer gun can and will get caught on the trees if they fully flank us. Now that we have fewer tanks to worry about, the hills are our friends that let us use our range and armor.
>>24838462I think we're only loosely following show canon, so they could be goddamn anywhere right now. My money is on them coordinating with Miho right now--the Panzer IV and I-Go are probably the only tanks left.
>>24838483>and blowing the trannythat could've been phrased better.
>>24838495This guy raises a decent point. I don't think we should go back into the forest.
>>24838523paging Dr. Freud.
>>24838495>>24838495Good point on the gun. I am still voting against pursuit, but we had ought to head back to the hills to give us some barrel room.
>>24838495My main worry about that is us chasing the I-Go up and down the slopes, and while we're distracted, Miho gets the drop on us.This may be a practice match, but goddamit, we're Americans. We play for keeps and always bring our A-Game!
Word of god is that the forest is pretty dense.Let's not pursue, but find some high ground to observe the field.
>>24838456Not sure, looks like the Walker Bulldog might have had one, but pintle mounts aren't the most written on subjects ever.>>24838483What 6 cute freshman girls blowing a tranny?That explains why Saki is shellshocked all year.
>>24838369Stay the fuck out of the forest, would you kindly
>>24838600Well, the hills would present fewer trees to obstruct our absurdly long gun barrel. I mean, seriously, that shit is as long as the rest of the tank according to the wiki pictures. If we pop our heads out and start using the binos to hunt, we might find something.
ARMOURED PENIS COMPENSATION
>>24838369>Pursue MihoThis is as bad an idea as "Pursue Mongols"It's a trapIT'S ALWAYS A TRAP
>>24838658at the same time we'd get struggle on the hill and get picked off.If it was some noobish team, I'd have less problem, but it's Miho with extra levels of competence.>>24838739or for that matter, "Pursue Lu Bu" as in something you shouldn't unless you really know what you're doing.
>>24838739Do not pursue Miho.
>>24838739Traps only work if you have some advantage to play. The I-go literally CANNOT damage us and everything else is knocked out. She's ain't got SHIT. Pursue. Engage. Terminate.
>>24838369>Pursue Miho back into the hills.
>>24838806It's MihoShe ALWAYS has something.We rush into this assuming we win just because "BETTER TANK" and we'll end up on our ass
>>24838763"Get picked off" by what? The Pz IV's got the short gun, requiring they close range on our sides or rear. If we're in the hills, we'll see them coming, and traverse the hull/turret to hit them before they reach us.The I-Go would need to get at point blank range on our rear, so they'd be even easier to knock out. But, we can't do a damn thing if we pull a Kelly's Heroes and catch our tank gun on a tree.
>>24838806It's Miho, she's probably got some elaborate trap set up to drop the I-Go on our heads.Slow and steady wins the race.
>>24838369Do not pursue Miho directly, but avoid forest. Use our range to find and blast her.
>>24838837Considering they couldn't even punch a Matilda's rear armor at point blank, I'm disinclined to believe they can do the same to a Pershing.
>>24838837>underestimating this quest's MihoIt's like you really want to lose. Next you'll tell me that Char's some overblown wanna be.
>>24838834>BETTER TANKNot just BetterBESTPERSHING STRONG
>>24838892What was that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am!
>>24838892but we are also dealing with super Miho here, and we are not sure what she can do
>>24838930You're about a decade late to the party, bro.
>>24838837Miho fought a good game but she's lost, the short gun on the Panzer four can't actually defeat our armor anywhere but MAYBE the direct rear hull at point blank range, the I-go can't damage us period. She has NOTHING, it's over, not even fucking character shields can save her now.
>>24838942>Super MihoIt's trueShe even wins when it's just Cardboard tonks
>>24838942that's something people are woefully overlooking, and it may prove to be a fatal mistake. This is not Ep1 Doormat Miho we're dealing with.Proper tactics may involve using our strengths, but it also includes considering our enemy's strengths and abilities.
>>24838889>List our disadvantages that Miho will pursue and how to cover them>LOLunderestimating herCute. You do realize that a tactical genius with shitty tools can't work miracles, right? Miho can't convert her tank to an Ausf. H2 on the fly, so her range and penetration have hard limits. We can exploit them, and should. How is making an accurate evaluation of her tank underestimating her? Should I assume that Hana suddenly becomes a dead-eye, estimates windage, and puts a HEAT shell right in the cupola?
>Back into the forest.Chasing a strong commander without much of a plan? No thanks.
>>24838930>Sherman>Marches through the south burning shit>Patton>First US tank commander>Read a book>Pershing>Highest ranking US Military Officer of all time from 1919-1976>Loses Title to Washington because seniority>Still the only man to hold title while living>Wolverine>Snikt Bub
>>24838979D'awwww, that picture.
Can we at least say that, considering we've taken out 3 of Ooarai's 5 tanks, regardless of outcome, we've earned the respect of all our teammates?
>>24839037GO GO GADGET PANZER ARMS
>>24839037We did it with a vastly superior tank, with superior experience in tank warfare. To them, it's to be expected. I don't know about being suspected, but we are making their money's worth for sure.
>>24839037Nope. Time for Duck hunting.Let's show them the power of guts.
>>24839037In a superior tankIf the playing field were more even, I'd say so, but if we start talking shit after this, they're just going to hate us because it seems like we don't understand that our tank's superiority is what carried the day.But we can talk shit to the Student Council Because FUCK the student council
>>24839055>suspectedMeant respected. Goddamn, I need a nap.
Seriously Miho-tards I'm seeing allot of bullshit and not allot of substance. You keep spewing this crap about how we "can't under estimate her", but not a one of you has provided a single fucking plausible way she can do shit to us. So seriously, let's here SOME plane about how she can win. Otherwise all I hear is a bunch of brain dead fanboy wanking that she's somehow going to fucking magically win despite the fact she literally cannot damage her enemy with what she has left to her. You might as well say she's a wizard and casts meteor on our tank for all the sense you're talking.
>>24839060We can tell them that it's a good measure of what teams with proper tanks will be like.
>>24839072Holy shit son, calm the fuck down.
>>24839013You're making the same mistake later teams did: assuming she's some small time weakling. That and you forgot Oorai's main trait: being the "David" to Black Forest's "Goliath". I.e. assuming we'd win just due to the tank alone is asking for trouble.That and we're encountering her on her terms if we chase her as opposed to drawing her in on our terms.I don't think most of them would hold it against us.>>24839072did you not see the show?
>>24839060>FUCK the student councilI'd ute ute Momo's ute, if you know what I mean.
>>24839095As would I man, but first you'd have to put a bag over her personality
>>24839072Like, seriously, I think Miho is a wizzard cause of all the bullshit she pulled in later episodes that she got away with.
>>24839095Don't forget Yuzu who is pretty nice both inside and out. Too bad she doesn't have much more than that.
>>24839103>All dat skinglorious
>>24839103Oh come on, she's the ULTIMATE example of someone who desperately needs to get laid. I figure once we fix her eighteen year dry spell we can work on her people skills.
>>24839103And I raise you Oreo
>>24839134I raise you all of Team Hippo
>>24839134LET THE WIFU WARS COMMENCE!
Miho's showing herself to be a very dangerous opponent, and even with a tank that your should completely outclass, she's put you into two seperate ambush positions where only quick reactions and excellent gunnery saved you. If she's heading back into the hills, it's because she wants you back in those hills.And if she wants you back in the hills, then you're heading into the forest. "Rich, get us back into the woods. Everyone keep an eye out- there's still two tanks out there..." You say, finally starting to feel the pressure of the situation. You smiled inwardly- this was your world, this is what you were born to do, this is the pressure your were born to feel.As soon as you're confident that you've broken line of sight with any of the hill-side firing positions that the Pz.IV could get to, you have Richard turn the tank around so you can make better time- it's still slow going though- trees and brush are almost as bad as the uphill climb.You consult your map. You need to end this, which means you need the distance to hit Miho before she can engage you. Your Pershing emerges into a small clearing. You need a moment to think and get your bearings. "Alright, Rich, stop for a minute." You swing the hatch open and you notice for the first time how stale and hot the air inside the turret had become. As you open the turret though you think you hear tank tracks, but as soon as you hear them they stop. "So what's the plan, commander?" Patrick calls up. You shush him before climbing up into the cupola. You know you heard a tank- the problem is that the two tanks left were the ones that were least garishly painted. You carefully scan the surrounding trees.And read the word: "GUTS" in Kanji. Looking up you finally get the outline of the I-Go and see Noriko, sitting in her cupola, looking at you. You stare at each other, and both drop into your turrets.>Engage with cannon- make sure you finish this.>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.
>>24839157>>24839134I'd penetrate their glacis
>>24839094No, I'm using LOGIC and hard data about our vehicles capabilities to asses that she has zero cards to play. You're counting on fucking character shields to suddenly make her enemies drooling retards. Alas since we're the main characters we have gained protection from idiot balls and her greatest weapon is for naught.
>>24839134>OreoOh please, everyone knows Saemonza is best Hippo. If you don't agree you must simply have a different opinion from me. And I respect that. Because you're a good person anon. No matter what they say about you. Truth is you're not really a GIANT FUCKING ASSHOLE!
>>24839172>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.
>>24839172>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.Ma Deuce don't fail us now.
>>24839172TIME TO GET BROWNING
>>24839172>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position. But keep scanning for that Panzer IV.
>>24839172>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position....please be careful not to hit Noriko. Please please please ;_:
>>24839172>>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.GOD WILLS IT
>Engage with cannon- make sure you finish this.Surprise!>>24839181you seem to be thinking this is WoTQ... it's not.>>24839157Don't forget that a Yukari is fine too (haven't found a good pic yet)
>>24839172>>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.John Browning dont fail us now
>>24839172>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.R. Lee Ermey approves this course of action, provided we put some watermelons on their tank first.
>>24839172>M2Light 'em up!
>>24839172>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.M2 kill time.
>>24839172>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.>>24839232hows this one for you?
>>24839254That's nice and I found this as well.
>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.Poor 89
>>24839172>>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.
>>24839172>I am a bad enough dude to use the M2
>>24839172>>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.Time to introduce 'em to 'Ma Deuce!
>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.This sounds good.
>The M2 is a lot quieter- let's not give away our position.>>24839094>assuming she's a small-time weaklingDo you bother reading before responding? Tactical genius is only as good as the tools you have to implement them. She cannot psychically will the shell to fly straighter and penetrate deeper, no matter how smart she is. It is a physical property of the gun. Instead, she uses her tactics to get into a position where the low pen doesn't matter. Guess where that is? At close range. Guess how a tank gets there? By driving up to the other one.So how do we stop this plot? By getting to an area where we can use our own strength: firepower at range. Is that so hard a concept for you to grasp? I'm not syaing "lolpershing i win," I'm saying to, like you yourself said, use our strengths (firepower at range) to counter our weakness (sides/rear).
>>24839280>>24839157>>24839134>>24839103>>24839202>>24839273>>24839254So is this Gurls und Poontang now?
"Target left! Rich turn us to face them!" He begins turning the tank at the moment the I-Go's cannon fires a round into the cheeck of your turret. TING.So that's who that was. The I-Go is already on the move again, but their driving into your turn. "Patrick! Rose! Ma-Deuce! Light 'em up!"The machine guns strafe across the hull of the I-Go for a good five seconds before it gently rolls to a stop, a white flag flying from it's turret."Great job gu-" BANG! "Jesus!" You spin the periscope around and see Miho's Pz.IV, literally thirty feet behind you. "Rich! Turn us around! Get us around!" You hit the turret override, trying to get the turret on target. You'd just barely heard the I-Go in the woods, you hadn't even gotten a chance to heard the Pz.IV over the machinegun fire. "Load AP! Target rear! Range point-blank! Bringing you on target!"You don't have enough time. Somewhere in the Pz.IV a 75mm shell was already loaded and aimed dead on your thinnest piece of armor from nearly-point-blank range. "Rich why aren't you turning?!""I'm trying! Left track is off!" ...She'd hobbled your tank with the first shot.The Pz.IV fires. Your turret is still nearly ninety degrees off from her."Clever girl." You say as you hear the flag go up.
>>24839414>implying Girls und Panzer Quest wasn't always Girls und Pantsu Quest too
>>24839415well... dunno what to say about that as what I feared on the hills happened in the forest.Then again I wasn't expecting people to use the machine guns.
>>24839340And then >>24839415 happned. Fucking told you, thanks for nothing, asshole.
>>24839415>Does this look like the face of Mercy?
>>24839414you provide the tanks and we provide the girls.>>24839447I do wonder if we used shells that things would have been better. Hopefully people will take her more seriously now.
>>24839415You magnificent bastard.
Eh. We got 4 kills, she got one, the rest got none.Pretty good score all up.
What actually occurs when the bullshit is removed. >>24839415The Pz.IV fires. Your turret is still nearly ninety degrees off from her...The shot bounces, even point blank the snub nose gun lacks the penetration to defeat your armor. Your turret comes to bear and smokes her.
>>24839415Ugh. Don't really like how this went, seems like Miho showed up far too quick and far too smart, even having watched the anime.Seems like too much railroad to me. Not upset or anything, just an observation.
>>24839467If we used shells she would have hit us while we were reloading. You can't beat the Miho.
>>24839484lol too late buddy
>>24839486>You can't beat the Miho.more like you can't beat the railroad
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>>24839486I'm telling you, super miho
>>24839479Didn't you know she's not allowed to loose ever her tank can magically drive at 100 miles per hour, instantly know exactly where the enemy is, and somehow her magic powers can add extra penetration to shells top allow them to defeat plating they never could in reality. I'm seriously done with this, it's just fucking railroad bullshit without any actual change. This was the test for me, and the OP failed miserably. He utterly ignored logic and coherence in favor of just spewing the tired "lolMiho" shit we got enough of in the series.
>>24839516>Follow me on Twitter>Doesn't update Twitter
>>24839538Good, you can shut up and we won't have to hear your whining again.
>>24839516Mmm. Elegant Ladies.
>>24839538Cya, dont let the door hit you on the way out
>>24839553And I won't have to put up you guys mindless slobbering circle jerking too little miss sue anymore, so I suppose with both win huh?
>>24839573Man nigga, I thought you said you were leaving?
>>24839484the scenario I feared was that it'd be the bait while Miho/the panzer got into position. Turns out despite not chasing her, it still happened.I wonder if she was EXPECTING us to go into the forest, thus punishing us for conventional tactics.We should talk with Miho to find out HOW she did it.
Don't mind me~
>>24839606Don't mind me at all
>>24839476The stubby can easily beat our rear armour, especially from point blank.
>>24839625It's max penetration is about 40mm using AP our rear armor is 50.
>>24839629Still doesn't explain how she was able to somehow drive in a totally different direction so far that she was completely out of sight and then somehow come back over ground we'd already covered, overtake us, and end up BEHIND us.
>>24839629I mean if she was expecting us to make that move or not as if she was she wouldn't have gone too far ahead and waited for signs of a conflict to close in.
>>24839643Actually, it's 43mm armor at a thirty-degree slope at 700m.She fired at 50mm of armor with no slope at around 10m.
>>24839656We were in a Super Pershing. The standard Pershing was an underpowered slug, adding a bigger gun and more armour didn't quite help.
>>24839415On one hand I'm happy we didn't walk all over them.On the other hand I'm annoyed we're not allowed to choose sensible options not in the list.
>>24839599The "how" is easy. No matter what you choose, Miho chose the opposite. Such is the nature of pre-determined CYOA's.Or, hell, if you REALLY want an in-story explanation: after uniting the school against us, it came down to a slow-turning tank against two fast ones. We're used to one on one fights, so the vote option to WATCH YOUR SURROUNDINGS after seeing the I-Go was missing and needed to be a write-in. Instead, we tunnel-visioned before getting circle-o'-death'd.
>>24839689doesn't explain how she teleported around the map while making no sound at all because Pz. IV's are totally quiet right?
>>24839625I don't believe that's correct considering our tank, but for the sake of the story, I'm assuming Miho had to win.Considering the writer may have been getting tired as well and wanted to wrap things up quick, I can't really complain about some degree of railroad.
>>24839538Logically the smaller lighter P4 wouldn't have as much trouble as an underpowered heavy, especially an upgunned and uparmoured under powered heavy to slog through the forest.Logically when the OP says "Thinnest piece of armour" he's obviously talking about the engine blockLogically an upgunned and uparmoured turret would also have a slower turret traverse and that's not to say the turret traverse on a WWII era tank was amazing to begin with.Logically the terrain isn't as large as you would assume.Or really anyone whose naysaying in this thread, I bet those guys also think that Tiger I's really were invincible armour wise.
>>24839711..weren't we firing our Ma Deuce all the way? The approach could have been masked by us dealing with the I-Go.
>>24839689That actually only works out to about 49mm at vertical, but perhaps it could get through point blank. The bullshit that allowed it to occur remains in force. Seriously, how did she magically know our exact course and position exactly? She had fled and had no visual on us the I-go was in the forest, she had NO Spotting information whatsoever, but somehow is able to magically overtake and position perfectly behind us point blank within ten seconds of visual contact with the ONLY other vehicle that could inform us of her location? I'm sorry dude, but did you ponder the logistic of this AT ALL?
>>24839656You forgot that once the BlackJack was in the forest, the crew were too busy being defensive to keep a good eye on where it was. And when the I-Go appeared, welp that gave her the sign she wanted.I'm starting to think our big mistake was using conventional tactics.>>24839711The update said that the machinegun was making a decent amount of noise. (since when were machine guns quiet?), what >>24839735 said.>>24839719That and they're too used to WoT.
>>24839707>so the vote option to WATCH YOUR SURROUNDINGS after seeing the I-Go was missing and needed to be a write-in.the fact that such an option that characteristically should have been there NEEDED to be a write-in as OP only gave us>TUNNEL VISION>MOAR TUNNEL VISION LELis only further proof of railroading and poor QM'ing on OP's behalf, this quest gets shitter and shitter every thread and OP makes no effort to try and make it better
>>24839752Distance also plays a part. 700m and 10m range is very much different. And besides, Miho has to win to have confidence.
>>24839516Thanks again for the quest and I'll be here tomorrowIf I can make a suggestion, when you give out options, it might be good to add a >Otheroption, so we can make up our own course of action if we feel we need to
>>24839719I think you think our tank is a T26E4, it is not, it is a M26E1, we don't have 5tons of bolted on boiler plate and panther UFP or a counter weighted turret, all thats different from a standard pershing is the M3E1 gun, which adds very little weight, meaning that the tanks performance is virtually unchanged in regards to the original
>>24839766the door's that way.
>>24839807>if we feel we need towhich will be every single fucking update as the given options from OP are nothing but more railroading
>>24839719>Logically when the OP says "Thinnest piece of armour" he's obviously talking about the engine blockLogically when OP says "Thinnest piece of armor" he would mean the rear armor, which is actual armor, not the fucking engine, which is not armor
>>24839516how about you actually fucking use it for once
>>24839813He has a point though. As much as I like this particular quest, I can't deny the significant amounts of railroading happening. I'm not really as anal about it as the others are, but yeah...I'll be in this ride up until the end either way, so a couple of changes here and there is all the same to me. I'll be enjoying all the way.
>>24839837>not the fucking engine, which is not armorTell that to the Merkava
>>24839415>The machine guns strafe across the hull of the I-Go for a good five seconds before it gently rolls to a stop>good five seconds>five secondsthat totally enough time for a 25ton tank to reposition behind us in a heavily wooded forest right?
>>24839812Regardless the Pershing is not actually a very mobile tank. A 500 HP engine is the only thing that drives Black Jack.>>24839837Thanks for not picking a part of the arguement to attack, sorry I placed faith in you to fill in the incongruity yourself, but please tell me further how that debunks the overall arguement that this situation was entirely possible. Why this wouldn't happen in real life is because real life involved engagement ranges far in excess of what we face here.Additionally in real life tanks are supported by infantry, not expected to fight alone against each other in terrain you really don't want to be fighting alone in a tank.
>>24839872the Merkava is just a really over engineered overweight apc with a large main gun, in the world of MBTs it has no right to call itself a tankbut mounting the engine forward of the fighting compartment was a smart move
>>24839756>was using conventional tacticsFishman if you utter that phrase one more time I'm going to blow a blood vesselsage for rage at how well you imitate a broken record
>>24839867well it's hard to tell until we actually get his notes.while I wonder about if things could have been different, but the past is past. I'm just having fun reading it as it comes. Then again I'm not someone who expects this to be WoT Quest, I wouldn't bother with such a thing at all.I read this as this promises to be a nice mix of action. humor and cute girls, similar to what SWQ was at its peak.
I love how the end of every thread somehow manages to create argumentative shitstorms, its more enjoyable to observe than the 5 OP updates over the course of 4-6 hours that a thread runs
>>24839890It was a bit underpowered yes, but keep in mind it wasn't Tiger heavy and unlike some vehicle it was otherwise automotively sound, so off road anyway it wasn't like it was Churchill awful or something and the wider tracks gave it an edge off road verses even some medium tanks.
>>24839923>well it's hard to tell until we actually get his notes.its actually not that hard to tell seeing as every interaction we have had is planned out and there is no way for us to avoid the set course of action
>>24839901I assume you're referring to the door.That's meant for ammo, not troops.
>>24839954>That's meant for ammo, not troops.so that troop compartment in the back for 4 soldiers fully kitted out is for ammo and not for troops?
>>24839947It was a yank tank.that automatically makes it a piece of shit, dontcha know?
>>24839973>>24839954Actually IIRC the idea was to allow a tank to rescue another crew from a disabled vehicle, but it was sometimes pressed into use as a "super APC" in practice.
>>24839867I'm just glad that I don't actually participate in the choices, otherwise I would be mad at the amount of railroading going on
>>24839807Heartily seconded. Based on how the end result was written, both choices would give the same result, and that's just plain frustrating.At least put the Other option there, to indicate that perhaps there is a better solution.
>>24839992>sometimesthats all the Israelis use it for now
>>24839973Does it have seats?Is it next to the ammo?If the answer is no then yes,it should be pretty evident it was not designed as an APC in mind.
>>24839995>and that's just plain frustrating.welcome to being railroaded>perhapsthere is always a better solution, its just that OP couldn't have us actually making changes and impacting the quest now, otherwise it wouldn't be Train Simulator 2013
>>24840014>Does it have seats?yes it actually does
>>24840000I might be wrong, but last I didn't think they deployed them with troops on board all the time as a matter of course like a real APC. Like each tank doesn't have an assigned squad that's always on board, but admittedly I haven't really read much about what they're doing nowadays in some time.
>>24839947Tiger had a better power to weight ratio then the Pershing, it was actually quite nimble for a Heavy Tank. And one of the best parts about the Churchill was that it would perform over almost any sort of terrain, thanks to the double bogey suspension.
>>24839947Not Tiger heavy, but its still has a disappointing P/W ratio, around 12. On top of that its recorded top off road speed is about 9 kph.So yes, the Panzer 4 should easily be able to run around and get behind the Black jack
>>24840034that is exactly what they are doing with them, its the only way they can work with infantry safely in the fights they get in
>>24840047Wouldn't it have been making a racket, however?
>>24840064it would have, a very load one infact, and then theres the fact that it would have been as slow as us through the forest because tanks DONT FUCKING CHARGE THROUGH FORESTS
>>24840064Sure, but over the Pershing's own engine?
>>24840064Yeah, but I think we were buttoned up at the time. And would we have heard it over the sound of the Black Jack's own engines?
>>24840088you are capable of hearing right? you're not a deaf person are you? or have you never been outside before?
>>24840111Have you never been buttoned up inside a running tank before?Good luck even hearing your driver, let alone another tank.
>>24840045Correction it had pretty much exactly the same ratio (10.86 vs 10.95 hp/ton), which you just admitted was adequate, and true the Churchill would drive over almost anything slllllooowwwwly. Regardless my point stands the Tiger was agile enough to be tactically viable with similar power loading and pretty much inferior everything else.
>>24840109The fact we were buttoned up with no obvious threats and while moving through rough terrain is retarded in and of itself really.
>>24840152WELCOME TO POOR DECISION MAKINGTHE MC IS NOT INFALLIBLEWHODA THUNKIT
>>24840111This>>24840123If the P4 is loud, the Pershing, buttoned up and running over forest terrain would most certainly have been louder especially with the crew at battle stations.Not everyone sticks their heads out of their hatches whilst shots are flying. Only Nishizumi's do that.
>>24840152the fact that we could not choose otherwise and were railroaded into and out of that situation is retarded in and of itself really.
>>24840047The panzer IV top speed off road is recorded as... 9.9 mph.
>>24840160>WELCOME TO POOR DECISION MAKINGits not poor decision making if that decision and every other decision was made for us
>>24840169Still faster than the Pershing on and off.Oh yeah, units.My cited speed is in KphK'sNot miles.
>>24840180Your very existence is a poor decision that was made for everyone else, but we don't bitch at it like a horny dog now do we?
>>24840190Derp my bad it's 3 AM here I misread that, still it's not exactly some shockingly huge margin, and probably not nearly enough to allow this to have occurred.
>>24840199>but we don't bitch at it like a horny dog now do we?what was that now?
>>24840219It's still almost twice as fast. And if they're not as limited in choice of paths due to our large size, they can make it up.
>>24839930hereI love how this keeps on going, and how it has moved from logical arguments to insults and correcting syntaxwell done OP, you should have some kind of record for shitstorms at the end of each thread
>>24840236>It's still almost twice as fast.traveling through ha heavily wooded forest? yep, sure is twice as fast, and if you think that the difference in size between an M26 and a Pz. IV means they are more free to move in a heavily wooded forest, you're an idiot
The speed and penetration discussion aside, anyone else feel Miho is being portrayed as too good, far too soon?Considering her rookie crew and previous emotional, as well as confidence issues, basically. Shouldn't she be a wreck for awhile? We really haven't done anything to fix her, and she's not had time to practice.
>>24840254By Definition, they are less limited thanks to their size you cockfucking niggerslut.
>>24840254Care to explain why not?A P4 is really not that large, plus it doesn't have a long barrel 90mm gun to worry about.Not to mention I was right earlier, the M26E1 is a redesignated Super Pershing. Its weighed down by its larged gun AND heavier armour.Additionally those speeds cited are off road speeds, not road speeds if you're assuming the arguement is based off of road speeds.
>>24840275We provided some moral support and talking to her tanker to tanker, it was surprising, and possibly caused some bad decision making.
>>24840275>Miho is being portrayed as too good, far too soon?You mean she should not be auto-winning everything? but then she wouldn't be super Miho
>>24840290>the M26E1 is a redesignated Super Pershing.no it is not>AND heavier armour.no it is not>Post-war, two M26 tanks had the T54 gun installed, which had the same long gun barrel, but the ammunition cartridge was designed to be shorter and fatter, while still retaining the propellant force of the original round. They also had the muzzle brake and bore evacuator from the M3A1 gun of the M26A1 and M46. The tanks were designated as the M26E1 tank, but lack of funds cut off further production.all of the T26E series tanks were considered super pershing's, ours is not a T series, it is a modifyed M26, designated as M26E1ffs our tank is not a super pershing
I think everyone is forgetting that this means we won the bet against Rose
It's like half a meter less in width, which I'd consider the primary issue in moving through a forest. I can't see that being a huge advantage, and at least some part of the trip wasn't even in the forest. The way it was written gave me the impression we drove in pretty much a totally different direction from what she went. Presumably she was hauling ass away for at least a while because if she stayed and we DID come after she would be totally boned, so she would have wanted to open up some distance. So we're pretty much moving directly away from each other for some period of time, which means we're opening a pretty large gap. This was frankly why, while I didn't support the forest option I wasn't overly worried about it. We were moving almost directly away from her and if she had any sense she was running away from us, so my only real worry was that we were pointlessly prolonging the fight by retreating. So we’ve opened up a pretty major gap, and we haven’t seen here and she has no one that can spot us left. Once we move into the woods she should really have zero idea where exactly we are until we make contact with the I-go. This is when the BS comes in because somehow she DOES know where we’ve gone exactly, and she manages to somehow cross back over her entire line of retreat, over our line of retreat, overtake in dense terrain that probably mostly equalizes speed, and position perfectly behind us within SECONDS of her last possible spotter locating us. The ONLY way this MAYBE works is if: -She flat out GUESSED, she there were some clearings or paths we might take and just guessed which one we might us. -She then totally disregarded all caution and advanced flat out toward the position, not sticking to cover or moving at combat speed. -She then got SUPER ucky that the I-go managed to distract us at just the right moment to give her ANY chance of getting a hit in. If this occurred and we call her out on it next time I might fee SLIGHTLY better.
>>24840343Derp meant to reference this >>24840236
>>24840337Bet was with our loader, Roy, I believe.
>>24840343>If this occurredIt didn't and it couldn't have, the whole situation does not work, it was not thought out by OP in terms of maneuvering and tactics, it was thought out as "hrm, how can I make Miho win and anon lose"It was fucking railroaded through and through and there is nothing OP can do that would make it otherwise
>>24840377it was too, fuck it they all have names starting with R, so we shall take all their money
>>24840381I don't disagree, but I'm into damage control here. I doubt the OP will retcon it, so at this point the best we can do is call her out on having relied on pure blind luck to win, and not that, that is a VERY bad thing to count on in combat.
>>24840385And for blamming us, Miho can now treat us to lunch!
ITT: Arguments based entirely around misinterpretations of a wikipedia article
>>24840393There's the possiblity the ambush spooked some of us so badly we assumed she was more competent than she was and assumed the whole trap scenario.Though being so shaken by such a thing may have been a product of overconfidence.
>>24840420The trap scenario never worked anyway the only thing she could have ambushed us with as the I-go which literally could not damage us if you pressed the muzzle to our hull. Following her, keeping her in sight, and keeping out front too her was the blindly obvious move and she would have had no real answer too it. It wasn't OVERconfidence, it was actually completely irrational cowardice. We ran away from a vehicle grossly inferior to our own, exposing ourselves in the process out of a meta-gaming fear of her character shields. Then again I highly suspect that even if the chase option had been chosen the OP would have railroaded a win for her anyway, but still.
>>24840453whatever the case people screwed up and made a CREEED out of Miho over an ultimately ineffectual ambush
>>24840467>CREEEDI just had a mental image of an I-Go poking its turret around a lightpoleBut seriously, this thread should serve as a warning, to not believe the "super-Miho" bullshit and to BlackJack, if he continues the railroading, the amount of rage he is going to get will be astronomical, never mind the fact the quest will shrivel and die
The show could justify the character sheilds due to it being a show.Something as interactive as a quest needs to rely on it less. This victory on Miho's part felt arbitary.
>>24841248>This victory on Miho's part felt arbitary.So did your mom.
>>24837905>The Panzer IV's definitely driving differently from what you witnessed earlyIt's not MihoMagic that they got behind us, it was Mako all along!