Welcome to the eighth episode of A Game of Thrones – The Quest of House Harrock.Previously: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/24607844/All Previous Threads: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=HarrockIn this quest, the year is 284AL and it is six months after Robert Baratheon was crowned king. You are Lord Artys Harrock, thirty-eight years old and the head of House Harrock, sworn to House Arryn of the Mountain and Vale. You are a dedicated, devoted and cunning man, eager to see the rebirth of your house from its ruined state. With a head for numbers, a good sword-hand and an exotic Valyrian yataghan named 'Ambition,' you shall lead your family to new wealth and new stability.During the last episode, you went about recovering and recouping from your losses after the Battle of Snake Grove. Changing deals, improving taverns, attracting settlers and raising taxes, all for the benefit of House Harrock. For better or worse your efforts to improve the house's territories were interrupted by the arrival of a foreigner; Maahira of Qohor. The strange lady brought a small guard of Unsullied with her as well as several carts, their contents covered and concealed. Uncertain whether or not she was trafficking in slaves, you eventually allowed Maahira passage and warned both Loras Egen and Yohn Royce of her suspicious behaviour.Is anyone interested in continuing?
Good job housing a bunch of eastern slavedrivers while I was away, you faggots.
I should have expected the TV show to bring cancer to the fanbase.
>>24666953This means yes, by the way.
Oh, and a big thank you to everyone who up-voted this quest in the archives. Every thread has a rating of at least 20, which is bloody incredible. Thank you, all of you for participating.We gold now.
>>24666968Dude, you know this is like the third GoT quest?
>>24666968This is actually one of the better quest threads I've seen on /tg/ in a good while, but I digress.
>>24666968Is that some sort of Japanese interpretation of Western fantasy?
Plasma we better get some Brock action this session I swear to god.
Ready and waiting, Plasma!
>>24667099>>24666953>>24667145It's a start. All right, let's get to it.A collection of important characters, for those who like the little details:>http://pastebin.com/PsCVnNnv
>>24666929Very interested. This is a nice management-style quest; you have combat, intrigue, trade, and something to look forward to at the end of every month (dat Boon).
Westpass. This is your land, your territory, your home. It's a harsh and unforgiving place, sparsely populated by evergreens and hardy shrubs. It's a steep valley filled with sudden falls, treacherous cliffs and unexpected gutters and furrows. Anyone who lives in this part of the Vale of Arryn quickly learns to walk softly and with great care.Splitting Westpass in half is a great river just as unimaginatively named, the Westflow. Born from a great sheet of water that descends from the mountains, the small stream quickly transforms into a great raging current, with many muddy little rills and brooks contributing to its size. Despite the dangerous pace at which it flows, there are a few safe places where the river can be forded.Clinging to the mountains on either side of the Westflow, the road for which the region is named winds and bends, a well-worn path of gravel and dirt that it is your duty to protect and maintain. One of the few routes in and out of the Vale, many merchants use the Westpass for their trade routes for a certain fee. To the North, the road leads to Strongsong. To the East, the road leads to Crown Crag.Finally, there are the great structures of Westpass. The hub of civilisation is High Harrock, a grim and foreboding structure that brings comfort to the inhabitants of the region as the sole provider of protection, boasting an iron mine and great solid stone walls. Then there are the two towers that guard it; Skycliff built amongst the peaks and Wetrock built upon a solid stone foundation beside the Westflow.But what about the people who live here? There are a few thousand smallfolk scattered throughout the land, in huts and hovels that dot the rocky landscape. It's a hard life but honest life, where they harvest and farm what they can, whenever they can. Some keep herds of hardy mountain goats for their meat and milk, while others farm lettuces, berries and edible ferns.This is your land and these are your people. Treat them well.
>>24667163>>24667177>MONTH 2, DAY 18The response from House Egen only arrives after a day of anxious waiting, gazing at the sky for any sign of a raven. You're in the middle of a nice little lunch of mutton and local vegetables when your uncle enters the room, briefly waving the letter in his hand. Cleaning your mouth with a gulp of wine, you gesture for the man to read it.>Lord Artys Harrock of Westpass,>Thank you for the information that you provided. I was able to intercept the noble Lady Maahira at my port, where she and her servants were preparing to leave on board a privateer's vessel. We had a long conversation regarding the nature of her visit and her cargo and I have no reason to believe that she is trafficking in any treasonous or illegal goods. From what I know of the Free Cities, Qohor has the same hatred of slavery as Braavos and Pentos so I doubt she is dealing in that vile trade. She is on her way across the Narrow Sea at this very moment. I thank you for your vigilance and I hope that our alliance shall remain strong.>Lord Loras Egen of Crown Crag.It seems like your neighbour let her pass just as you had – and now she is out of the Vale's reach. Is there any reply you wish to send or any other ravens you wish to prepare? You haven't yet gotten a response from Lord Yohn Royce.
>>24667195Are our troops at Egen's place yet?
>>24667195We could send a letter of acknowledgement, I guess, but I think we've said everything that needs to be said. If it would be uncourteous not to reply we should do so, if not not.
>>24667233It's less than a day's travel to Crown Crag from your lands - they almost definitely have.
>>24667195I suppose we could write a letter back thanking him for ensuring that she was carrying nothing illegal, and that hopefully this could result in better trade with the Free Cities once our artisan has helped complete the upgrading of their ports.Also thank him for his kind words, and that whilst we are sorrowful about the loss of so many of our men, that we will both be more secure for it, and that this is a sign that we shall prosper together as allies.Perhaps we could suggest that, whilst they are there, Ser Tenry and the Woodsmen help train up House Egen's men, so that he has a better trained militia in future?
I'm in. Thanks for continuing this Plasma.
>>24667267Very well.Write a letter asking if the men we've sent have arrived safely and are sufficient to keep his lands safe for the time being.
>>24667278No, we want to keep Egen weak. He has to be dependant on us for military muscle. This is how we will ease his house into being one of our bannermen in the future.
>>24667355Fuck, yes, good point.Ignore that suggestion then. The others work alright though, unless that was already done with our original letter?
>>24667278>>24667242>>24667328So:>Acknowledge his assistance in investigating the foreign noble.>Bring up the topic of the Woodsmen, the company of infrantrymen that you sent to assist Lord Egen. Ensure their well-being.Are there any other details you wish to include or shall you write it up and send it off? Also, do say if there's anything else that you wish to do with the day. Otherwise, there will be a bit of fast-forwarding.
>>24667399Nope, I think that's fine.
>>24667399How is his family? If we're still intent on marrying Brock to his daughter we may want to make sure that she's still available.
>>24667399Tell Brock he's fat and a dissapointment, then fast forward till we get a reply from Yohn Royce?
>>24667438Doesn't seem like the right time for that. We can do that when we next visit him to see the progress of the port expansion.
Please stop this terrible quest.
>>24667460I think we're past blindly hating him at this point.
>>24667479Because I want to know what Royce sent back.
>>24667509No, why tell Brock he's a disappointment?>>24667485Don't like it, don't read it.
>>24667503I agree.>>24667551I agree also.>>24667509Same here, so yea, I think we should send the reply, and then time-skip, unless we have any other pressing needs?
>>24667551Because he's still fat and an idiot, but that's not going to be producive, fine. Just timeskip without telling brock he's useless.
>>24667463>>24667438>>24667442>>24667429I'll settle on adding a casual question regarding the well-being of his family.All right. Time skip.
>>24667626>MONTH 2, DAY 23After several days of anxiety and uncertainty, your uncle comes before you with a letter signed by Bronze Yohn himself.>Lord Artys Harrock of Westpass,>I have obtained a report from Lord Loras Egen of Crown Crag. From what I understand, both of you allowed this woman to pass through the Vale. In your position, I understand your actions as you were host to this woman and could not break guest right. Loras does not share that excuse. Your combined naivete allowed a potential trafficker of slaves to pass through the Vale of Arryn unhindered. I shall speak to you both in person to gain better understanding of this story. I believe that Lord Benedar Belmore of Strongsong is planning a tournament for the next month, although he is yet to announce it. I shall be attending and I expect both of you to meet me there.>Lord Yohn Royce of Runestone, Castellan of the Vale.Well, that was a bit verbose. Somehow you expect that he had a scribe write it and he simply signed it. But Bronze Yohn has revealed a valuable piece of information: your Northern neighbour is arranging a tournament, a chance for your family to obtain honour and improve its standing.
>>24667642Aww yeah, tourney time! Let's wreck some Belmore skulls!
>>24667642I have a feeling Brock will embarrass us immensely.
>>24667642>Egen getting weaker>Us getting more bossHeck yeah. I do think we should ramp up Brock's training as he'll be expected to take part in the joust and tourney.
>>24667677If he jousts, obviously. But he should do well in the melee.
>>24666975I would vote up but having so many tripfags roaming around I don't dare do so, but hey, you're cool on my book.
>>24667707>gets angry>throws away his weapon>an actual knight slaps his shit>everybody laughs at him
>>24667707>Melee being relevantYou faggots don't know how to tourney.
>>24667642Ouch, seems like Royce is severely pissed at Lord Egen - I think we might have to stand up for him a bit, to show support. He probably should have ensured that the goods were checked though.As for the tourney, do you think we might be good enough to enter the jousting? I definitely think we should get Brock trained up quickly, and get him into the grand melee - he'd do well in it, I think, if we can get him to keep hold of his weapon for once.
>>24667781Just pray so >>24667736 doesn't happen.
>>24667736He's been doing well! In the fight with the clansmen he kept his cool. But we should probably check with Ser Cobray on his progress.>>24667746Well, he's not going to joust, that's for fucking sure. This is more about experience than winning.>>24667781Seconded about Lord Egen and Brock. Egen spent a lot of time in Essos, and probably knew better than we did about the mysterious cargo.
>>24667642In addition, you receive a letter from the Egens again.>Lord Artys Harrock of Westpass,>The men and women of the Free Cities aren't to be feared but to be accepted as allies. They could have been a great asset in the rebellion against the Mad King. Alienating their nobility by accusing them of slavery would be the worst option that we could choose. Regarding your soldiers, they have arrived and I have given Ser Crowlys the duty of directing them and organising their patrols. While the men of the mountains do not have a huge presence in my lands, they have become brave after the losses we incurred. Hopefully with the help of your 'Woodsmen' we should b able to strike fear in their hearts once more. As for my family? We are well; I am struggling in my quest to find a husband for my dear daughter Lorenna. It is a difficult task, balancing a suitor of appropriate prestige and the dowry that I would have pay. Although I love my dear daughter, I must say that I would enjoy her absence from the house. Her attitude has become too much for even I to bear. In any case, I hope that our alliance shall remain strong.You get the feeling he sent this before he received Bronze Yohn's letter.
>>24667815>He kept his coolIf I remember correctly, he punched the chief. As in punching. With his fist.
>>24667832He's starting to get desperate.Just what we need.
>>24667841At least he didn't cave his face in. We wouldn't have had a talking prisoner if that had happened. Just a dead one.>>24667832I'm getting a strong "get my daughter out of the house, I'll even pay you" vibe out of this. Maybe we should bring a marriage up at the tourney depending on how the meeting with Bronze yohn goes?
>>24667841I meant the fight with the bandits on the road, sorry.>>24667832Well, that's going to be an unpleasant surprise for him. I propose we call a meeting to discuss the Belmore tourney
>>24667832I forget, did we inform Egen that we told Royce about the foreign witch?>>24667868Also this.We seriously need to slim Brock down. He needs to look less manderly.
>>24667876Still, we're gonna get so much shit in the tourney if that happens. >>24667885The fight where he dropped his weapons and charged and got arrowed? That fight?
>>24667832>All these "I hope our alliance will remain strong"sGod damn this nigga is desperate
>>24667900He's the fairy queen of the mountains, what did you expected?
>>24667832Yea, sounds like he hadn't got Royce's letter yet. Perhaps we should bring that up, and say that we believe he did the right thing. Also indicate that we are at the point of having to find a suitable match for Brock, and so we sympathise with his predicament.That might get him to suggest the match, making him think it was his idea, when it was ours all along. It puts him in our pocket just a little more, but without him realising it.As for the stuff about the Free Cities, suggest that, once the port has been expanded, we should work together in increasing our merchant fleets, and perhaps begin to trade with the Free Cities. It could get us some extra wealth and prestige.
>>24667876>>24667868>>24667895Something tells me the daughter is absolutely fucking horrible.Guys, think about this. Our only son is a fat retard, his wife to be is going to be a moody, whiny bitch of a foreigner, our grandchildren will be godawful. This marriage could ruin our house forever. We need a good wife for Brock, one that will reign in his retardation and provide us with good genetic stock.I am no longer in favor of marrying Egen's daughter, she sounds like she has a mental condition.
>>24667933Who's gonna marry the fat turd? Be honest and realist, perhaps a crazy bitch is the only suitable match for ser piggylot.
>>24667899I remember that we were on horseback returning from the Egen's, and Brock got frustrated, dismounted, and fucked up some bandits. But whatever, lets let Ser Cobray tell us about our son's capabilities.>>24667933We've barely met the girl. Hold off on the judgements for now.
>>24667957Yeah, in that fight we kicked ass. We as in Artys. Our son went full retard and got injured because of it.
>>24667957>>24667947Fine. We need to talk to the girl, alone, somehow. Maybe she'll be at the tourney.
Regarding the tournament, there is one particular issue.Your house has never been fond of the heavier armour; it's awfully encumbering and hardly suitable for fighting in the mountains. For this reason your house has sold most of the suits of plate that it possessed, especially in times of poverty and need. You have kept two for this very purpose, as jousting demands that a knight wears half-plate.You have two suits of half-plate and four knights in your house, including yourself. Five if you count squires such as Brock - but you are unaware whether this tournament shall allow squires the chance to compete. It's not even officially arranged yet.>>24667957>>24667815>>24667781Do you wish to go and see how Brock's training is doing?
>>24667925This this this. Make him think that he's a lot more clever than he really is. I like working with the Free Cities more, too.>>24667933Eh, I think you're blowing it out of proportion. Free City women are strong-willed, and I think Brock's wife should be someone who he can't just slap around and will banter with him. We should get to know the girl better.
>>24667933Or it could be that the thing that makes her insufferable to Egen is that she is strong-willed, intelligent, and politically ambitious.No way of knowing until later.
>>24667986Let's try to get Brock to shine at melee, and maybe that way the girl will be impressed. Or not, I wouldn't blame her, melee sucks balls.
>>24667933Good point, we may need to decide later if it's worth making them a banner house. He has only one son, meaning if we have his daughter marry Brock, it wouldn't be hard to end his line. And that would make Brock the lord of House Egen (i think, it might make him lord reagent instead) At which point we could just combine the houses. We havn't been that evil scheming yet though and i'm not sure if that's the Arry we want to be.
>>24668000Oh so squires might not be allowed?Well... That's a good enough excuse for us to have Brock sit this tourney out.
>>24668000Trips demand to watch Brock.
>>24668000Yes, let's go see how Brock is doing.What are his stats after all this training time and experience gained from the battle, plasma?
Also guys, are we good enough to take on the jousting? I would be pleased if Artys gained some honor on the tourney, and Brock would stop being a liability since he would listen every single fucking word we said.
>>24668069I don't think we are, no.Some of our knights may on the other hand.
>>24668036Some have separate squire events, where the victors tend to win their spurs. I know that in the books there is such a tourney in the veil that is held with the pure intent of getting a lording knighted.
>>24668069We haven't really invested in any physical traits, I think.
>>24668098>>24668086Then forget about that.
>>24668000Well, go and see Corbray at least.>>24668036If they are allowed, though, they might be in a separate melee, and he might do alright against other squires.Otherwise, yes, this'd give us a reason to not allow him to enter. He is nearly a man grown, though, and as the son of a noble, it'll be expected that we make him a knight sooner or later.>>24668069Remember that, if we lose in the joust, we are expected to forfeit our armour and horse to the victor - we need to think about it carefully. Otherwise, we weren't terrible at horse combat, but we are better at sword-based fighting.
>>24668114Well we could practice against our men, but yeah we still need to get in better shape if we want even a chance at winning.
>>24668069I think we should not be part of tourneys, especially if we want to propagate this hangman's personae. Brock should only melee, or he'll being us shame at this point.What do we know of our other knights jousting abilities?
>>24668000Let's go see how Brock is doing.
>>24668142>I think we should not be part of tourneys, especially if we want to propagate this hangman's personae.Why? It's not like it interferes in any single way.
>>24668098I thought we were pretty decent. I mean, we don't have to win to get the honors and the glories. We just need to do well, and lose with dignity and grace... or win.
>>24668069You've got some training in handling horses and you're a reasonable fighter. Unfortunately, you're not the most durable individual and you're hardly the greatest knight in the Vale.As for Ser Tenry, he was made a knight simply for his abilities as a leader. He is a reasonable fighter but he hardly knows how to ride a horse beyond a trot and you doubt he'd be able to take more than one blow from a lance.Ser Boros is a little better. He's an excellent soldier when it comes to wielding a spear and that might lend itself to using a lance. However, you've never seen the lad ride a horse once.Ser Morys doubles as your master of horses and your master-at-arms. Many responsibilities lie on that old knight's shoulders. He's a good rider and even has a prize or two from regional jousts back in the day, when House Harrock was more successful. Unfortunately, he has become old and frail and you're unsure whether he would be able to handle jousting again.Then, there's your son. He's... your son. Nothing more needs to be said.
>>24668129A horse is worth shit, the respect it would bring us on the other hand is quite valuable in our future negotiations.We need to spread a good name.
>>24668158I was just thinking about how some lords don't partake in them at all because "When i fight a man i don't was him to know what i can do." To quote Ned Stark (TV don't know if that's also a line from the books) Some lords who have sour reutations don't take part in melees that can be somewhat lighthearted. I maybe wrong on that though and we should join in. We are pretty handy with a blade.
>>24668193Well fuck, nobody is jousting.>>24668210Fuck Stark-shit. Proving that we are capable killing machines isn't gonna go against the hangman reputation.
>>24668199We only have a few good horses, and I'm pretty sure our wealth is super fucking low right now. No need to risk that trying to win at a young mans' game. this tourney hasn't even been announced yet, aren't there more pressing matters that need to be discussed?
>>24668222I was more concerned about how it would hurt the reputation if we don't do well. Melees like this usually come down to stamina, which we don't have a lot of.
>>24668237Like what? It's not like we have anything else in our hands atm.
>>24668175Basically this - we aren't expected to do well, I don't think, because previously we've had a reputation of being closer to being a merchant or maester than a knight. We have been fighting a lot recently, and there'll be an expectation that we participate, otherwise it'll look bad for us.>>24668193Hmm... seems most of our men are better suited for melee then, since our mountainous lands mostly stop us using cavalry.I don't really want to get Morys involved if he is too old for it, we don't want to humiliate the man.>>24668237Good point - we can deal with this, I think, once it's actually been announced, and we know what events and rules are in place.
>>24668242I was talking about jousting not melee. Melee is Brock's domain.
>>24668267>>24668222We need to at least get someone jousting - if we refuse to participate at all, it'll be a blow to our rep. We'll be cowards who shun the most honourable form of combat.I vote for Morys. Give him a chance.
>>24668262 Time skip maybe?
>>24668311We're riding. I mean we're the best chance the house has since anybody else is fucked and Morys is too old for that shit I think.
>>24668313>>24668262>>24668237Could you kids fuck off with the needless psoilers please.
>>24668341Says the "sage" faggot
>>24668338Yea, I think it'll end up being us jousting, whether we really want to or not. Perhaps we should try training with our horse, as well as with weapons other than the sword, since jousting is, defensively, a lot more about horsemanship than combat prowess, but we still need to be able to hit them hard.
>>24668144>>24668069>>24668068>>24668044>>24668038You head out to have a look at your son and the knight of Corbray as they practice out in the courtyard.If nothing else, Ser Lyn is a harsh taskmaster. They're working on footwork, with the knight teaching Brock how to keep his balance and how to withstand attacks without giving ground or stumbling back. Your son isn't doing very well. Delivering expert strikes to the lad's legs and smashing into him with the full force of his shield, the knight sends Brock toppling time and time again, barking insults with every failure. Occasionally the boy manages to withstand the first blow of Ser Lyn's assault, but he almost always ends up floundering on the floor, grinding his teeth and quivering with half-contained rage as he's called pig, halfwit, bastard. But he doesn't lash out, he doesn't drop his mace and punch Lyn in the face. At least the boy's learning how to keep his calm, even if he's shit at keeping his balance.
>>24668414Baby steps. At least he's improving.
>>24668414Forget your name, Plasma?But yea, at least he's learning to contain his anger and rage - we just need to teach him how to use it constructively, both in his own defence and on the attack.In that case, we should perhaps let them get on with it. Anything else we need to do, other than start training on horseback ourselves?
>>24668429Yeah, he learned how to keep the weapon on his hands, now it's a matter of time until he learns how to use it.
>>24668447It happens.Is there anything you wish to say, do, suggest or would you rather skip onwards?
>>24668462I'm fine with moving on, there's nothing that we can say that Ser Corbray hasn't already.
>>24668462Other than get ourselves started on a training regime to get us better on horseback and able to hold a lance properly (which we should be able to do within the castle), nah, we're probably good for skipping.
>>24668462Not really. Just skip and >>24668488
>>24668462Don't interrupt their training, but let him know that we're proud of the way he's learning. Perhaps after dinner we could take a ride with him and make mention of the upcoming tourney, gauge his reaction.
>>24668509I wouldn't do that - it might get his hopes up, only to be dashed if they don't let squires in.
>>24668563Good point, though I personally think it would be worthwhile to at least let him know he's doing a good job (even if he only kinda is) Remember, he's really only so fucked up because Artys was a shitbag of a father.
>>24668598Fair point, though it might be worth us saying that when we have dinner with him.
>>24668643Yup, encouraging words at dinner. T-T-Timeskip!
>>24668414This is great news. The boy is learning. Awesome.
>>24668488>>24668493Having the men fetch you some of the old suits of half-plate, a lance and one of your loyal rounceys, you don the heavy armour and take the horse for a few rounds, getting used to the weight of the metal and the strange posture. It's not difficult, it's simply a breed apart from standard horse-riding. Riding a horse for a joust is hardly the same as riding normally. Hopefully you'll get used to this new stance before the tournament arrives.>MONTH 2, DAY 27The changes you have proposed are slowly starting to take form. The first caravans are arriving from Gulltown, your attempt at recruitment showing itself to be a booming success. Scores of men and women, perhaps even hundreds come to petition to build on your land and settle in this new territory. For many of them, it's a chance at peace and prosperity and a life away from the poverty and crime of Gulltown.>You gain 4 Population.Is there anything in particular that you wish to drive this new surge of smallfolk into doing for you? Do you wish to create shepherds or farmers, craftsmen or fishermen? It's ultimately their decision but what sort of industries would you like to promote in Westpass?
>>24668725I vaguely remember something about goat herds from last thread.
>>24668725Hmm... we ideally need to become more self-sufficient in regards to food, and then we can focus on the mines and port.So yea, let's go with the goat herds idea from Friday.
>>24668725Lets promote shepherds. Goats and sheep do well in mountainous terrain, and we will be glad to have the meat, milk, and wool. That last one especially, whenever winter comes around. Though that will hopefully, gods be good, not be for quite a long time.
>>24668813>>24668778>>24668773>>24668760You actually have 5 Wealth at the moment - enough to purchase a healthy and vast goat herd immediately.Do, or save?
>>24668725Eighth for goats.
>>24668875Fuck yes, goats!
>>24668875How much population do we have? We could go with Population for the goats, and keep the wealth to try to upgrade the mines or get more land.Did we get a reply back from House Terrick by the way?
>>24668875How much wealth would it cost? It was what... 6 months to build up a herd from nothing? if we bought a herd, could we still try to get our new smallfolk to bring up another one for double benefits?
>>24668875Perhaps a healthy, medium-sized goat herd. No need to splurge.
>>24668939>>24668936Once you get your Population to 21 or above, you will be able to build up a herd from nothing over six months, as well as look after the already existing herd.Right now, it's a case of one or the other - buy or slowly work towards that herd.
>>24668939>>24668936>>24668894>>24668875Nonononono.We can get goats for free in a few months time. We can save up the dosh for other things, like that big ass iron mining facility.
>>24668993No, fuck that, goats.
>>24668985Ok so like how much population do we have now?And what are the benefits of buying goats, exactly? Other than having goats, I mean, which is an end all by itself.
>>24668985Slow sounds good.
>>24668936i believe we did last thread. they accepted to build trust with us, in the hopes that if we expand our mine we could ship more to them. i might be mistaken though.
>>24668985I suggest we compromise and buy a small starter herd.
>>24668985I'm for slow and steady. lets save to expand our mine or expand our town.
>>24668936I can't say what's better. . .goats are awesome, but better mines and/or craftsmen (does this include blacksmiths?) also sound like good ideas.
Ok guise, let's think this over for a bit. Buying goats now will allow us to be less reliant on the Freys, because we will have some food of our own. This means we free up some iron to trade with other houses for instant free cashmoney each month.We also get shit like hides and leather and motherfucking goat cloaks for free, I think.5 wealth now for a goat herd might be worth it, maybe.
>>24668985Haha time for goats!
>>24668985What is our current population then, Plasma? If we aren't going to hit Population 21 soon, then yea, we should buy the goat herd.
>>24669103And also we get motherfucking goats. It's sold.
>>24669068We can build the goats up over time easily, i think we should be saving to either upgrade our mine or lure a decent blacksmith to us. Once we get one of them we can look to raise the prices of our iron and if someone decides to break off the deal we hod onto the iron and start producing decent weapons, making similar if not greater profits and allowing us to arm ourselves for far less if we need to raise a better army in the future.Just some food for thought.
>>24668985No, nononono we should really really wait. Be patient. Expand our mining, this is our strong suit. Get those new settlers training to be shepherds so that when we actually DO get goats, we can support them.
>>24669012Ah, I forgot to include that detail:>You currently have 18 Population.>The benefits of buying goats is +2 to House Fortune rolls and +1 to Population when increasing it. After having a herd for six months or more, it begins to generate trade goods that you can sell. A goat herd costs 5 Wealth. Although it might seem gamey, this is the only size of herd I'll allow you to purchase.Many of your farmers are already herding goats but there aren't enough - barely enough for sustenance farming.Anyway, most of you seem to advocate sticking to the slow-and-steady method and encouraging all of these new settlers to become shepherds and build up the size of the herds, focusing on breeding them. It'll be a gradual process but eventually you'll manage to build up a large number of the beasts.Shall we move on to the end of the month?
>>24669103We should not alter our deal with the Frey. Instead we should just have more food, use that food to build up extra population, or feed more military units.
>>24669157We're pretty divided on the goat issue.We should take a vote, maybe.
>>24669157Yes, move ahead. How much does an improved mine cost, again? 10 wealth was it?
>>24669192>>24669157I don't mind buying more goats, but I don't think we should spend everything.
>>24669210It's 10 wealth for a new mine, 20 for a mine complex (which upgrades our current one). We could try to find other metals in our mountains - gold, silver or tin, perhaps.
>>24669253When we have enough wealth to fund mineral exploration it should be something we consider. If we find a few good sources it would be easy to find financial backing to get mines built. But that's a pretty far off situation at this point.I'm for buying goats. I feel like the bonuses it grant will nearly pay for it's self in 6 months.
>>24669192At this rate we'll hit 21 population in another month or maybe two months, we can get free goats. Go full jew.Now skiiip.
>>24669357>I'm for buying goats. I feel like the bonuses it grant will nearly pay for it's self in 6 months.Yeah good point, we'll get the gots for free in less than 6 months. No goats for now.
>>2466921020.>>24669229>>24669192>>24669170The end of the month comes and goes in a rather uneventful way.Time for a very mechanical part of the quest. Right now, these are our resources:>0 Defence - Can be used to purchase new defensive structures that take time to build. Cannot be converted.>12 Influence - Can be used to purchase heirs - but it's also used to determine how many dice you can roll for House Fortune. Can be converted to Law, 1:1.>0 Land - Can be spent on acquiring new land, which offers many benefits. Cannot be converted.>21 Law - Modifies your House Fortune roll. Currently a -2 modifier. Cannot be spent or converted.>18 Population - Modifies your House Fortune roll. Currently a +0 modifier. Cannot be spent. Can be converted to Power, 1:1.>1 Power - Spent on creating new military units, amongst other things. Can be converted to Influence, Law or Population, 1:1.>5 Wealth - Spent on many, many things, from investments to tournaments to feasts to better equipment. Can be converted into any other resource, 2:1.Now, one step at a time.We can either:>Increase one resource by 1 (by 4 if Wealth, 2 if Power or Defence)or>Roll for House Fortune, which can negatively modify our resources - alternatively, it can provide a massive boost to our resources. It's a risk.
>>24669405Hmm... see, going up to Wealth 9 would be brilliant, but the dice gods might smile on us too (though they haven't been much recently, to be honest).
>>24669405We are going to roll like manly men
>>24669405Wealth sounds good.
>>24669405Could you please post the table with Roll for Fortune outcomes?
>>24667642Told you, Yohn Royce is not a man to fuck around with excuses and the interpretation of the law.
>>24669405Nigger, we can BUY a new heir? Stop the presses.
>>24669476All right.>>24669484Well - under specific circumstances.
>>24669405I vote for rolling.
>>24669512What is our current roll on the chart at the moment? If we have decent odds then maybe, but the wealth increase is looking nice.
>>24669405Wealth sounds great. I'm still extremely iffy about our fucking ZERO defence, though.
>>24669484A new heir, no - a new child, yes, but obviously won't show up for 9 months.>>24669405>>24669476We do have decent modifiers, and 6 dice to roll... average result would be 21, and with our modifiers, would bump us up to "Blessing" or "Boon"...Fuck it, let's roll, and put our fates in the hands of the Seven.
Roll fagts! Let's see what destiny is going to give us!
>>24669543It's because we spent it on our castle and towers though - that adds up to about 50 defence we're not counting.
>>24669484>>24669512>>24669558Holy fuck why haven't we just killed the useless sack of shit that is Brock and purchased a new baby then?
>>24669576Voting on this, ditch him anywhere and let's buy a son. A good one.
>>24669586inb4 we get another daughter
>>24669576Because we can't just kill him, and we have years with which to build him into a suitable heir. We might get a daughter too, which would mean no extra heir.
>>24669615We can and we will, fuck your moralism WE'RE GODS AMONGST MEN!
>>24669405We must have asked a million times, but what is our current House Fortune Roll modifier?
>>24669615Agreed.Let's roll. We are of house Hardcock, we will soon own goats. None will stand in our way.
>>24669558>>24669540>>24669538>>24669453>>24669476Seems like more people are interested in rolling than they are in peacefully increasing stats without risk. The modifiers I listed also apply to your House Fortune rolls.Our current roll is 3d6+8. I will accept the highest of the first three rolls and compare it to the chart posted here:>>24669512
>>24669628nah, I like our son. he just needs some more work.
Rolled 1, 6, 4 + 8 = 19>>24669606eh. Our current daughter would be a better heir than Brock.>>24669615Brock is a lost cause. If we can replace him I say we take any steps to do so. The future of our house should be our utmost concern>>24669644Rollan
>>24669663You love the fat retarded fuck? You're gay bro, as in bad gay.
Rolled 2, 3, 5 + 8 = 18>>24669644Rollan
Rolled 6, 6, 2 + 8 = 22>>24669644rolling
>>24669644We roll our Status plus our modifier for Head for Numbers, according to the rules - isn't our status 6 for being a lord?
>>24669683I actually agree with him. He's our son, he's had 15 years of neglect, but he's starting to shape up. In another year, who knows how much he's improved.
Rolled 5, 3, 4 + 8 = 20>>24669644Shit. Please be above 19
>>24669695Ah yeah, saving the day and getting us some growth.
>>24669707Not as much as one we started shaping from zero to hero.
>>24669576>>24669586Because he's our son. Fratricide is frowned upon.
Growth for Wealth, I guess.
>>24669732We then have to wait 16 years before he can come into his own. We'll be in book territory before he can do shit.
>>24669707>he's starting to shape upHe has the intelligence of a brick and he still insists on fucking punching things.If we started with a new baby we could do infinitely better.>>24669747Fuck what is frowned upon, it's for the good of our house and no one need ever know
>>24669747>Because he's our son>>24669770So? At least he will be able to do shit.
>>246696984 for being the lord of a lesser house. However, our Intrigue being so low limits all of our Status rolls to 3. Also, I'm handling this a little differently so there's lots of other little modifiers we have.Anyway, we were lucky enough to get Growth.>You may add 1 to any resource of your choice (add 4 if you choose Wealth, add 2 if you choose Power or Defence)It's not any different from the default choice but at least you haven't suffered horrendously. So what would you like to increase?
We give him till his 16th name day if he has made significant progress we keep him on, if not we do the "You're a man now but you're not fit to hold my lands and titles" speech and send him to the wall
>>24669687>>24669698Looks like those settlers are fitting in just fine.
>>24669732that may not be true. Brock has a lot of natural gifts. Immense strength that can not be taught. We shouldn't get rid of our eldest if another son comes along, because, who knows how many may die due to the nature of Westeros.
>>24669824I betcha we can make a better one.
>>24669811Well that's underwhelming.Let's roll around in dosh.Are we going to make more troops, by the way?
>>24669811Wealth. If we have to, we can turn some of our pop. into power, and I don't think we really need too much more defense at the moment.
>>24669811Wealth, then we can wait a little for the chance to invest into something.
>>24669849Ok, lets say we do. and then we get rid of brock. then our perfect son dies of greyscale, or gets poisoned, or dies in a jousting accident... now we have no heirs... and house harrock goes to whomever marries our daughter. our house is now dead. yay.
>mfw we are destined to lose Brock so that our daughter may take her rightful place as head of the dynasty and lead house Harrock to greatness.
>>24669874Nah, lets keep population up. We're trying to slowly amass a goat herd here, and we need 21 population to do it.
>>24669811Ahh, fair enough, that's me not 100% understanding the rules for it then.We could go with Wealth, and get to our 9 Wealth, or we could go for Power, get 3 in that, and then transfer that to Population to get us to Population 21, which would get us our goat herds.I feel bad for thinking about it mechanically though.
>>24669811Wealth.We could just buy a goat herd and have dosh left over.
>>24669894We make another one.
>>24669894>and house harrock goes to whomever marries our daughterDo you even ck2? We'll just find a genius bastard and wed him. We get great genetics and keep our family name
>>24669894Not on get rid of Brock team but we can marry her to a bastard not ideal but not the worst outcome
>>24669869aren't we training some right now?
>>24669905Westeros doesn't into matrilineal marriages. It would mean the end of our house.
>>24669940I don't know, are we?
Buy the goats, kickstart the goods trade. We'll get that mine faster
>>24669942Could pull a Targaryen and have her marry her uncle or something.
>>24669811Plasma, important question. The whole recruitment drive thing we just held, is that a one-time surge of population or will it slowly but surely keep bringing in some settlers?
>>24669918Imma vote for this, buy the herd, then next time we get a pop. increase start another one.
>>24669933Bastard marriage? Kiss any influence and respect we may gain through this quest goodbye.
>>24669951Nope sorry my bad we recruited settlers, not levies.
>>24669973We may not have the land for too much more, or it might require us recruiting from other cities.
>>24669975But we could get 3 Power, and then do our once-per-month transfer from Power to Population, granting us a total of 21 Population, getting us the herd now, and leaving us with 5 wealth to either straight-up buy a second one, or save for a new mine, upgrade our current one, or go for having our own port.
>>24669975He has told us before, we can't support two herds. At least not for a good while.
>>24669968Oh boy, that would cause a stir. The High Septon would probably shame the shit out of us, but, maybe we could get away with it with bribes or something... oh no... horrible thought.what if Ulfric shows up and forces our daughter to marry him making him a true Harrock. He is a big enough asshole to not care about religious blow back or a drop of respect and influence.
>>24670008That sounds great. Seconded.
>>24670008Who says we'll get another month of +4 population? Maybe it was a one time surge.
Does the nights watch take unwilling recruits?
>>24670047We could pull a Tarly."Take the Black or you'll have an accident"
>>24670025Note to self - don't hold a local tourney where, instead of putting the 2 wealth in for the prize, we put her hand of marriage as the prize.>>24670044We wouldn't need an extra +4 population - if we transferred the 3 Power we get into Population, then we'd have 21 Population, and get the herd automatically, leaving us with 5 wealth.
>>24670008I like this. lets get westpass populated, now that they can be safe from the mountain shits.
>>24669874>>24669869>>24669857Wealth. Through your intelligent investments and through trade, you've managed to bring greater resources for your house.Also, in order to end the argument regarding heirs, allow me to say this. Making one requires screwing a woman, waiting for nine months to see if something pops out alive and seeing whether it's a boy or girl, then spending sixteen years raising it. It's a long, arduous process and hardly a reliable one in this day and age in Westeros.>>24669973Some more, but likely not so many after that initial surge.How things currently look:>0 Defence>12 Influence>0 Land>21 Law>18 Population>1 Power>9 WealthNow, the conversion phase.You can choose to convert anyone resource into any other resource that is applicable. Any suggestions?
>>24670077Oh right, my bad, misread. I second your motion.
>>24670008>>24670029That herd won't come in until another 6 months, then another 6 months until the real benefits show up. If we buy a herd now, we get the house fortune bonus immediately and population bonus, meaning it will probably be less than a month to get to pop. 21, when we can start a second herd.
>>24670113which is why we make a new baby and don't kill Brock until the son shows promise
>>24670113Sorry first time poster so we could do say 6 wealth: 3 population?
>>24670129Ahh, I guess so then.>>24670113Hmm... I don't think we really have enough in any one area to swap them. I reckon we should leave it for this month.
>>24670158Nah, wealth converts at a 2:1 ratio, so it'd cost 2 wealth to increase another by 1.
>>24670129I agree to the dosh for goats program.
>>24670129>>24670197Let's not convert any yet, and just buy the goats.
>>24670113What is the cheapest thing we can buy with Land? A Hamlet? What is the cost?
>>24670166>>24670129Agreeance then? Anyone else wanna vote on it?>>24670158We could, but if my reasoning is correct, it's better just to buy the goat herd, put the breeding program on hold until next month, and then seven months from now be rolling in goats.
>>246701458Nah. We aren't doing this.
>>24670229For a Wetlands Hamlet, it'd cost 13 Land.
>>2467022910 land for a hamlet, which is not a bad idea in a few months.
>>24670267Oh yea, we already have 1 spare bit of land (the one we claimed), don't we?In that case, yea, 10 Land for a Hamlet.
>>24670256I think we can just build it on our existing land.
>>24670290In a few months we could buy a hamlet... I would rather this than buy a goat herd.
Just to be clear, we're about to exchange 6 wealth for 3 pop, giving us the 21 pop we need for a free goat herd right?
>>24670305Two months if we play our cards right.
>>24670145We aren't killing our son. Its not going to happen.
>>24670253brock thinks on his life.jpg
>>24670305and how will we feed this hamlet without goats?
>>24670326Hey the Nights Watch isn't a death sentence.
Can we agree on no converting resources this time, and buying the goats?Then we can move on to more interesting things.>>24670318No, the purchasing goats thing is totally different - it's 5 wealth for the goats, no increase on population, but we get the bonuses for having a cattle herd.
>>24670318No were straight up buying a goat herd for 5 and getting the bonuses.
>>24670113Lets put this to an unofficial vote.Vote 1 for immediate herd purchase.Vote 2 for population purchase into gradual establishment of herds.Vote 3 for saving.I vote 3.
As we cannot come to a decision, I'll skip this stage and allow you folks to just save what you currently have.I'm afraid I'll have to end this rather early and in a lackluster way - I've got some work to do tomorrow for once and I'd rather not be exhausted when I do it.Hopefully the next session will be better and more exciting! See you folks on Friday, 9PM GMT.
>>24670364See you then, Plasma.>>24670345Agreed.
Keep voting, we'll record the results and show Plasma on Friday.
>>24670326>It's not going to happenThat's what you say, stop talking like you run the place.
>>24670364Thanks for the thread plasma.Now that the thread has ended I suggest we come up with ways to remove Brock>>246703611. A million times 1
>>24670340I am considerably more ok with sending him to the watch than murdering him. but, we should not do it unless he fails us horribly. we are not randall tarly. his son was worth far more than he ever imagined, but he gave up on him. lets not make that same mistake.
>>24670364That sucks, Plasma, but fair enough, I can understand that.I'll archive the thread, and post the links here.
In regards to the "new heir what do" thing, my two coppers.We can eventually try to pop a new kid out, and raise him to be the perfect little lord. Meanwhile, we continue putting work into Brock, and marry him to our neighbor's daughter, who I believe (Not sure, I'm sort of new) is his heir. Then, if Heir 2,0 is looking to be what we want ruling our roost after we pop off, we take Brock aside and say "You're going to be the effective lord of the neighbor's lands, and you are going to swear fealty to your brother, who is my heir. You don't do that, and I find a creative way to get you killed and make it look like an accident."Expand the lands and wealth, satisfy Brock, and make sure we have a competent kid in charge.
>>24670411Sam is a nice guy but he sure as shit isn't fit to lead such a prominent house.
>>246703611After we procure our goats, we must build for them a mighty tower.
>>24670442It will be the wonder of Westeros
>>24670436Agreed. Nice =/= good ruler.
>>24670361Vote 1We'll get some things moving and keep growing.
>>246703611 Immediate purchase. Next month we get +2 fortune, +1 pop; we'll bump our population, and start on a second herd. Six months from now we get extra trade from the first herd, seven months from now we get +4 fortune +2 pop, thirteen months from now we start getting extra trade from the second set.>>24670364Alright Plasma, see you on Friday, though I'll have to be leaving early that night.
>>24670436True but it is a bit of a waste to just throw away a perfectly good son. You never know when you might need one
>>24670463Goathold, a spiraling tower, piercing the heavens. Goats climbing it, forever.
>>24670503Having someone with a claim to your house running around is never a good thing. Sam would have been a dangerous loose end
Immediate purchase wins.
>>24670503We're not an impotent 80 yo guy in his last few moments with his family, we have time to make way more heirs.
>>24670503This.We do not start throwing away our only male heir unless we know for certain we get something better, which we won't fucking know for another 10 or so fucking years if we try to get a new heir. So stop fucking talking about sending our only eligable heir away to take the black or killing him, it's fucking stupid. Just stop it.
I've archived the thread, you can find it here:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/24666929/The list of all of the quest threads can be found here:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=House%20HarrockRemember to vote for them!>>24670423Nah, Lord Egen's daughter isn't his heir, he has a son around Brock's age. Our plan was to potentially marry Brock to his daughter, and then, at some point, some sort of accident would happen to his son, resulting in his no longer being in a position to be heir, therefore resulting in Brock and his daughter becoming the heirs, allowing us to peacefully take over House Egen's land.
>>24670568no anon you are the stupid. As has been said quite a few times, Brock will be removed once we have another promising heir in place
>>24670587And if the son survives, Egen is pretty much perfect for slowly forcing them into becoming our bannermen.
>>24670545yeah but by the time it takes to squirt out a new one, how much time will pass? An of age, if slightly stupid, son is much better then a baby in holding our tenuous position in matters of honor/law
>>24670602Exactly - marrying Brock to Egen's daughter is pretty much a win-win for us, especially if we gain influence and start rivalling House Belmore in our part of the Vale.
>>24670610Exactly. And who knows when we'll kick the bucket.
>>24670587>>24670602Alright, personally, I would say try to kill his son, keep it on the DL, try to expand our power base. Once we have a solid dependable foundation that isn't dependent on the good will of others, then we can try to make other minor nobles our banner men.Or maybe that doesn't work, and we just get a shiney new vassal. That works too
>>24670599>implying that this quest will last that longIt's a fucking miracle (and a testament to Plasmas character) that it's gotten this far. >you are the stupidJust stop it. That sentence alone is hurting your side of the argument.
>>24670658Unless the grandson is even worse and our house spirals into the dustbin of Westerosi history.
>>24670726But that is a risk regardless of who our heir is, and is so far in the future as to be essentially beyond our current ability to control.
>>24670599Fuck off.It's House Harrock tradition that it be ruled by brothers.If we do have a male heir, we'll raise him like we were raised, as a steward.Besides, I'm not sure where the idea is coming from that Brock's retarded and not just reckless and impulsive. When we brought him to our strategy session he didn't immediately jump to 'full frontal assault tactics are for pussies'
>>24670785No, he actually came up with a plan that we partially followed, he did a damn good job.Plus, as you say, Harrock has always been ruled by brothers, one the steward, the other the warrior - the only reason we don't have the warrior was because our brother disagreed with us siding with Lord Arryn in Robert's Rebellion, and left with over half of our military.
>>24670702I wouldn't honestly. Assassination is a tricky business. Even if everything goes exactly to plan, there's always the chance that someone you weren't aware of saw the whole thing and its traced back to you. Plus the murder of a son is a very volatile event, even if it goes off without a hitch. Someone somewhere is going to get burned for this, even if its made to look like an accident. It may just push his dad into some weird new direction that introduces a hundred new factors that can't be planned for
>>24670785>>24670658>>24670599I don't think I'll ever be voting for killing Brock, especially in the next sixteen years.Has anyone thought about the connection between our coming GoatHerds and Qohor, whose symbol is a black goat? It seems a fortuitous omen.
>>24670863Which is why we marry into the family, and then wait and see - it could be that his son ends up dying anyway, but even so, if he is brought up working with us the entire time, it might only take a small push for him to become our banner-man.>>24670718I agree, fair play to Plasma for sticking with it so hard, and for doing such a damn good job of it all. Most quests have died by this point.I only hope it keeps on going, I'm enjoying it immensely. It's tempting me into running a GoT game for my IRL group, or perhaps online.
>>24670925Depends how religious you are, Warrior - I guess it could be a sign from the Seven that we are taking the right course of action, or it could be saying that we shouldn't get the goats.We'll only find out by proceeding as planned.