>Sorry about Yesterday. Not sure what happened there.As we examine the runes, I suddenly realize something."Hold on. what's with that part? It doesn't look like it's connected somehow."Rin examines the glyph more closely, before nodding. "I think it's some sort of link. Probably something to let Avenger know if someone tried to tamper with it."I look at it, and then think back to the other ones. I try and mentally cross the lines in my head... and end up with roughly the same location Merlin gave me for where I was supposedly sleeping in the mountains. "... Weird.""I'm still not sure what it's for though. It's self contained and not doing anything. I'm not even sure it could be activated remotely.""It's not drawing energy or anything either. As far as I can tell, it's completely inert." I respond."So what? it's a tamper-proof rune made of Dark Magic that does nothing?" Rin shakes her head. "We don't know what it does, he can't activate it unless he's right here, he knows if someone's going to mess with it and there's several more across the city.""... what does that mean?" Sakura asks confused."... i don't know." Rin confesses slowly, biting her thumb. "I feel like we're missing something. Something we don't know or just overlooked somehow."For now though, we head home and separate, thinking about our next moves.[ ] Talk to _____.[ ] Go to _____.[ ] Other.
>>24466070>[ ] Talk to _____.Souichibro-samathreadly reminder that the updated Ebook can always be found at http://pastebin.com/kbGzcbDb, and I'll update it sometime tomorrow to include this thread, if it hasn't been deleted again.
I'm okay with yesterday cutting out, I was busy.[x] Talk to Rin. "Why did you freak out when I gave you your jewel back? Is there a reason it wouldn't be one-of-a-kind?"Because I was reading the e-book and all my paranoia sensors went off at once.
>>24466137[x] Talk to RinWe sorta already know we are sorta almost Archer.But I still say we talk to Rin about Merlin while in a box
Thirding this>>24466137>>24466160We need to talk to rin in general and let her know about merlin. Might need to smother her to keep her from shouting but she needs to know if for nothing else than writing it on our gravestone if Merlin gets us killed trying to get Arturia laid.
>>24466070>[X] Talk to Rin, in a box.We need to have a super-secret conversation so we can tell her about Merlin and stuff, and there is only one way we know of to pull that off. THE BOX.
>>24466207>Merlin got me killed trying to get King Arthur laid.Perfect.
Another for Souichirou. Make him a definite ally before his pragmatism wins over Caster and they go full evil on us
>>24466070>[ ] Talk to SouichibroWe haven't really talked to him outside of strategy sessions since he woke up.
Reposting my hypothesis: the runes are teleporters.>>24466070[x] Talk to Rin about Merlin. In secret.
Guuuys, we can talk to Rin anytime (knock on wood), I'm really worried about losing an ally here/whine
>>24466358That's a fair point. I'll throw in a vote for talking to Souichirou, with the understanding that we need to have a word with Rin in the near future.
>>24466358This, and I don't really want to talk about Merlin. At all.
Guys, I think talking to Rin about this is a bad idea.Seriously. If Avenger is directly connected to us like we're pretty sure he is, he can probably bypass the box.Remember how Liquid could just call Snake up at any time? Knew where he was, even in the box?I think Avenger has a Direct CODEC line to our soul is what I'm saying. I vote we can full disclosure AFTER we know what the deal is there, because I'm not going to trust a cardboard box with everyone's lives.
>>24466207swapping my vote to >>24466381
>>24466426This guy gets it.Unless we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the box can and will stop Avenger from listening in on us, we can't use it.Plus, just because WE believe that the box will keep everything quiet, that doesn't mean whoever we bring in the box will believe as well. Avenger might not hear our side of the conversation, but if he hears Rin's part...
>>24466483I liked how you turned that into Rin not believing enough might be the problem.
>>24466483the box thing is just a semi-comical bit, in all seriousness it wont actually work
I have changed the direction of a single vote in a Quest. Clearly my future lies in world domination
>>24466575or WILL it? We must test our box! For magiscience!
>>24466575But it does. Servants don't seem to be able to detect us when we're in it.Avenger might, though.
>>24466070>I look at it, and then think back to the other ones. I try and mentally cross the lines in my head... and end up with roughly the same location Merlin gave me for where I was supposedly sleeping in the mountains. "... Weird."Any chance that this thing is projecting a false "image" of us at the location in question? -- we still need to investigate that, by the way, don't we?>>24466426Seconding this.
>>24466209Does Shirou know Rin as a TARDIS box? I thought this Shirou was ignorant of such things
>>24466671I was referring to our Tactical Espionage Box. That pic was simply related and humorous.
>>24466689I thought te Tactical Espionage Box wasn't especially magical Shirou just lucked out that one time>>24466426I think this is what we're dealing with: Avenger can pop in and spy/scry on us, anytime. Big, scary implications, that.What should we do:>[X]Souichirou-sensei. Talk time.He's impassive as all hell, and will ultimately remain loyal to Caster. But if we can convince him to hold off on making rash actions (especially with all the BS going on right now), it'll be one less problem to worry about.
>>24466551Hey, if it's powered by belief, and we believe that it won't let Avenger find us (which probably does jack shit considering it's Avenger), then Rin thinking "He wants to talk to me inside a box because, for reasons he cannot explain until we get in the box, he thinks Avenger is spying on him 24/7 and the box is the only thing that can shield him from Avenger. Goddamnit, we broke Shirou." would be the thing to break it.In other news, everyone else is going to think that we're THIS close to covering the box with tinfoil "to keep Avenger out" if we actually do this.
>>24466724>implying shirou isn't trained in being snake.
>>24466731We then counter with 'I was walking around here for an hour and only Saber managed to notice me.'
>>24466724>I thought te Tactical Espionage Box wasn't especially magical Shirou just lucked out that one timeIts not the BOX thats magic really, its Shirou believing that the box will hide him, so it does. We've basically stumbled upon conditional Presence Concealment.
>>24466732>trained in being snake.So was Raiden. We all know how well THAT turned out. Fucking Rose. Bitch won't even use his codename in spite of being told to do so. Stupid bitch.
>Not sure what you guys are going for here.
>>24466852Talk to Souichirou, try to convince him to convince Caster that allying with us is her best option.
>>24466852[x] split into multiple copies and perform every conceivably possible action simultaneously.
>>24466852Looks like Talk to Souichibro.We seem to have become distracted by the metaphysics of the sneaking box.
>>24466852They're being dumbfucks, like usual...
>>24466893Whoops, ignore that first vote for Rin, that vote changed.
>>24466731Maybe tinfoil /would/ help.
>>24466895I like posting this.Not you you. Us you
>>24466946No no no, copper mesh. Make it a Faraday Cage.
>>24466895>>24466946What if tonight we have everyone don our tinfoil covered boxes and snake up to the avenger camp and everyone nat 20's a roll to seduce on KinKaiser?
I go looking around for Souichiro-sama and find him watching the news.Some small headline about a missing Elementary School girl plays across the screen before the news changes to something about an electrical fire down at the docks destroying a storage building.Souichiro stares at the screen impassively like he's merely soaking up the information. His eyes move to me for a moment before returning to the news.>What say/do?
>>24467021>I paint a Cobain Rainbow down the nearest wall.
>>24466946No no no, lead man, lead! That shit blocks EVERYTHING.>>24467021Bu-but I thought we were saving ourselves for TA first!
>>24467035Sensei, you seem to be adjusting to this "magic" thing pretty well.oh, and howdidyoumeetcasterdoyouhaveawish
>>24467035>fire destroying storage buildingDid we, uh, remember to turn the light off when we left?
>>24467043http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XviafbgY45M>>24467075I think that was Gil actually.>>24467035"Is there any way I can convince you to convince Caster that staying allied with me against Gilgamesh and Avenger is preferable to trying to win the Grai?"
>>24467043I'm afraid I can't let you do that, AC-Guy.
>>24467035>missing Elementary School girlExplainFurther.jpgWhat sot of relevance could this be, I wonder?>>24467061I like this. The first part is a good icebreaker. Then ease into tactical conversation. "How has Caster handled looking for a new base of operations? Does this progress well?"It'll be awkward, but we can then ease into the third part.This conversation is gonna be so awkward. Souichirou is such a rock sometimes.
>>24467035>something about an electrical fire down at the docks destroying a storage building.I can guess which one, can't I. (Or did we do that, and I've forgotten?)
>>24467035"A fire at the storage warehouses? No... It can't be. Even I'm not that unlucky...""Err, anyway, how did you get mixed up with the War? You don't seem like a Magus, so I doubt you summoned Caster yourself, right?"
"You seem to be adjusting to this whole 'magic' thing well.""It's not a lie. There are secrets and conspiracies everywhere, if I allowed myself to be shocked ever time I stumbled across at possible secret I would spend my entire life in dazed disbelief." He turns his head to look at me. "The news has become moderately more interesting though. Instead of questioning if a person who vanished was killed by a Vampire or something instead of the local organized crime syndicate adds a new dimension of speculation." He turns back to the T.V. "On the whole it's rather pointless knowledge though. Various magical factions apparently limit their interactions with and effects on the mundane world, so my life will largely continue unaffected.""... I guess that's true. It's an interesting way of looking at it.""Pointless speculation is only what the name implies: pointless."There's a long silence between us as the news continues, mentions some art thing I can't bring myself to be interested in and commercials for some sort of coffee with an American actor dance across the screen as I try to figure out how to approach the more important topics. "Is there any way I could talk you into helping me convince Caster to stay allied?""I would probably be able to convince her if I spoke to her, but I have no reason to. She's the only one with an interest in the Grail, so she's the one who needs convincing.""So that's a no?""I have no particular reason to approve or disapprove of such an alliance. Are you worried about one of the others here getting hurt?" He turns to me. "If that were the case it seems that you should be withdrawing. You were told of the fatal nature of the competition, yes?""I'm not here for the prize."He frown, looking back to the news. "You're telling the truth, but your truth doesn't fit the facts.""Because I wouldn't have been chosen if I didn't want something?"He nods, looking back to the T.V.>?
Just to check, we DID get all of the stuff out of that storage locker, right?
>>24467345iirc we took guns, manuals, dosh, booms and a coat.
>For the record, Souichirou already said that he wasn't a mage, didn't summon Caster, had no wish, and wasn't chosen by the Grail.>Just because people seem to be thinking/talking on that line.
>>24467345Except some travel guides and currently-useless foreign currency, yes.
>>24467340Ask him how he met Caster, if he wasn't the one who summoned her
>>24467373I can barely remember last week, much less the previous threads. Where's our resident archive diver when you need him?
>>24467340Let's call Raiga and check up on him and to confirm if the storage locker was accidentally the whole thing. Just in case.Anyone got some theories on who would have even known our locker was there?
>>24467340"We do have reason to believe that the system has been compromised. If that's the case then no rule about how the Grail War is supposed to function can be taken for granted. And then there's the fact that I want to save people. If I withdraw from the war I lose the ability to keep others from being affected by it."
I got it guys! BahSahKah contracted with Raiga through sheer force of will. In our darkest time of need he'll arrive to punish the evil doers with his honorable Yakuza might! All for the safety of Taiga
>>24467340"I should apologize. I was teasing Caster inappropriately about your relationship. Though it seems Avenger agreed with my opinion"
>>24467340"Honestly I think the point is moot; there's obviously something wrong with the whole Grail system and I really doubt anybody is going to end up getting their wish granted.Anyway, how did you end up as Caster's Master?"
>>24467340"Well, I won't lie, I do have an ulterior motive. One that I've been pursuing since I got sucked into the war."
>>24467340>He frowns, looking back to the news. "You're telling the truth, but your truth doesn't fit the facts.">"Because I wouldn't have been chosen if I didn't want something?">He nods, looking back to the T.V."Well, I feel like the more I think about it, the things I'm really interested in are things that I can attain without the grail... or I guess in spite of the grail, with how things seem to be going so far.""...and you should probably talk to Caster a little more about what she's trying to get out of this whole grail war as well.">>24467396Seems like a thing we'd be interested in. Half small-talk, half relevant Servant system mechanical data.
>>24467340>American actors in coffee commercialshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9CoqIVXCUU>>24467340Ask Souichirou if there is anything at all in the world he desires. "Is there really anything at all you feel is worth caring about?"I want to provoke him a bit. Talk about someone killing off Caster to get us one step further towards Grail Completion. While he can tell if we'e bluffing (stupid goddamn lie detector senses), asking him to seriously consider a future without Caster is a question he can't walk away from. He's in denial, too, about what he wants.(Plus, knowing Laws of Narrative Causality, she'll walk right on in just as he says something like "I cannot bear such a future." :3 )
>>24467340"Why bother fighting then? I would have thought you'd rather lie low, if you don't wish to involve yourself and have no desire for a wish.Is it for Caster's sake? Did you ever think to ask her what she would want? Or will you just keep on doing a hands-off approach?"A little too direct, but the gist of this with a bit more subtlety.
>>24467340"I don't really need the Grail to get what I want anymore. All I really want is to protect people, and since the War started I've become at least mildly competent at it. Granted, an omnipotent wish-granting device that smells of roses and is filled with happy bunnies and kittens would be very convenient, but the more I learn about the Grail the more I'm convinced that its nothing like that.""But how about you? You say you don't have a Wish, but most people wouldn't dive headfirst into a war just because someone asked them nicely. Whats the deal with you and Caster?"
>>24467340seconding these :>>24467396>>24467433>>24467485Forcing him to consider what losing caster would mean is good, asking how they met is good and pointing out that something is seriously wrong with how things are 'normally' is good. I also recommend pushing his buttons a bit on what he thinks caster wants out of the war.Cause if all she wants is to shack up and travel the world - we've got a storeroom with all sorts of foreign currency to send them on a honeymoon with.In fact I recommend having rider do a heart-to-heart with caster if at all possible, as they were both characters of greek myth and both got the short end of the stick pretty badly.
>>24467664Hopping on the SouichiBro Good End train
>>24467664Make them girltalk about being princess carried.
>>24467664I kind of wondered how Rider and Caster would get on. They're both victims of asshole guys who fucked them over (quite literally) and who're forced to become monsters by their society's values. I thought the two would see eye-to-eye quite easily, but AFAIK they never had that kind of rapport in canon FSN or its sequels.>Cause if all she wants is to shack up and travel the worldThere is the whole "can't be sustained without a Grail after a week" thing. Shit, maybe we should get Rin to figure out how to bind Servants into more permanent forms. Ah well, one thing at a time.>I also recommend pushing his buttons a bit on what he thinks caster wants out of the war.Will more NPCs share their backstory with us if we get more trust points? because Souichirou's lack of a center is kind of similar to Shirou's, isn't it?Plus, Caster-as-redeemed-villain is something which might seriously challenge Shirou's morals. I always wondered what would happen if a dyed-in-wool idealist like Shirou ever had to relive the memories of an anit-hero like Caster. Ideals only have value when tested, right?
"... I do have something of an ulterior motive, but it's nothing I need the Grail for. Plus it's not a goal I had coming into this." I hesitate. "I guess I just want to protect people. I mean, if I had a free wish on the Grail I'd think of something worth spending it on. The way things look though, it's not really worth getting my hopes up if it's unusable.""A fair assessment." He looks at me. "I think I can guess at your 'ulterior' motive.""And?""Not my place to comment. I may be forced to talk with someone who's place it is though."".... Fair enough. So why are you involved in this war anyway?""I'm not really. I'm just providing something of an anchor for Caster.""That kinda makes you a target to anybody who knows about that. I mean, getting involved in something absurdly dangerous like this just because someone asked....""You mean like you did? To a much greater degree than myself?""Well yeah, but I'm dumb and reckless like that.""I grade your tests. You're the third smartest student in your grade.""Booksmart doesn't mean I have a survival instinct." I frown slightly. "Is this an uncomfortable topic for you?""Not particularly. I simply chose to help Caster because she needed it and asked for it.""And what happens if she goes away?""Then my life goes back to what it was before I met her." He answers, not looking away from the screen. "As it's going to once this war is over anyway."".... Really?""Yes. If Caster's not going to be in my life, then any alterations she made to it would vanish as well."".... what if she stayed?""Pointless speculation. She's only here because of the Grail, the Grail is going to come and go in the near future.""There's true incarnation....""There is that, but I doubt she would waste her wish on something so asinine.">?
>>24467777>There is the whole "can't be sustained without a Grail after a week" thing.There was that "Caster's Vampire Wand plan" someone thought up, but since the vamp is dead...
>>24467822"You know she's in love with you, right?"
>>24467822>"There is that, but I doubt she would waste her wish on something so asinine.""Did you ask her this yourself or is this just 'pointless speculation?'"Words right back at him.
>>24467822"YOU FOOL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHE WANTS TO WISH FOR SOUICHIRO. SHE'S IN LOVE WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE THE MOST UNCONDITIONALLY NICE MAN SHE HAS EVER MET.""Seriously, look at who she *is*, she got screwed over by her role in myth and history and she more or less only existed as a reward for 'hero's', and when she's given a chance to form her own wish what do you think it's going to be - short sweet and simple she's going to want to shack up with the only nice guy who's shown her an ounce of goodwill and kindness with no benefit to himself. Hell we can even ask her what her wish would be - I'm pretty sure rin can concoct a gaes so that she cannot lie about it either".
>>24467822Do you know how you recovered from your coma? I think it's a hint at Caster's wish
>>24467822"Wishing to stay with the person you love is asinine?"
>>24467822"Dyo ho ho. But what if "somebodies" wish is true incarnation for a rather large list of servants? Perhaps worded as a, My wish is for true incarnation for the surviving servants.? That is once we figure it if its a sentient hate machine or how to fix it if it can be. Ouch. kind of a mood killer.">/r/ing succubus Ilya. I misplaced mine
>>24467822"You might want to talk to Caster about that yourself, and see what she really wants the grail for."Let them talk it out, don't explain it, just leave them be, let them talk it out, and let's try to not go full retard in the process by saying the wrong thing at the wrong time to them.
>>24467738I think I just bust my nutbladder
>>2446787510/10, would snark again. Put me down for this answer. Pepper it with this >>24467913 as necessary. Wait for him to pop off a response (if he has one), then crown it with this >>24467872 and this >>24467905I wanna see if Souichibro has a facial expression other than 'dour'
>>24467822"Have you asked her what her wish is? It might not make sense to us living people, but for someone who's already dead getting a do-over at life, complete with the chance to ditch the baggage from your previous life, might be a damn enticing prospect.""Speaking of which... when you were taking your curse-induced beauty sleep she pretty much spent 24/7 looking after you and trying to fix it, even going to far as to stay here in a house filled with potential enemies, because it was the only place where you would be safe. Which struck me as odd at first, since the typical "evil amoral wizard bent on world domination" would have just ditched you and gotten a new Master when you became a hindrance."(Souichibro-sensei... don't tell me you're going FULL SHIROU here. Please god, don't be dense like us.)
>>24467956The doujins i've found of rider prettymuch fall into 2 categories - her being a bondage princess... or her being a princess princess (with huge fantasies about being princess carried!)
changing mine from >>24467921 to >>24467958. Nailed out response.
>>24467875>>24467977bit of both
>>24467822> If Caster's not going to be in my life, then any alterations she made to it would vanish as well."We should probably point out to him that he posed this as "IF Caster's not going to be in my life, rather than "WHEN Caster's no longer in my life."Unless this is just an AC-Guy word choice peculiarity, the fact that he's referring to Caster's departure as a non-definite thing is at least a little telling.
>>24467990None of her being an elegant and sophisticated librarian?
My god... Shirou is having to explain shit like this to someone.SHIROU is explaining RELATIONSHIP STUFF.We've well and truly gone off the deep end guys.
>>24468026Surprisingly no, though the princess ones did usually have her reading something and ignoring shirou until PRINCESS CARRY
>>24468037I mean, Shirou has at least 4 gears: Cook, Sword, Snark and You Lost Me.Souichirou is stuck with just Serious and Fist. The guy's as straight a straight man as they come.
>>24468037we went well and truely off the deep end as soon as we found out we may or may not be human.
>>24467947>>24468026Not him but I haven't found any. You could try the Ronpaia stuff but it's more of a side thing. Better than most anyway. Has glorious rider/ayako subtext toohttp://g.e-hentai.org/?f_doujinshi=1&f_manga=1&f_artistcg=1&f_gamecg=1&f_western=1&f_non-h=1&f_imageset=1&f_cosplay=1&f_asianporn=1&f_misc=1&f_search=group%3Aronpaia+eng&f_apply=Apply+Filter
>>24468037I was just going to post this pic, but I think it also applies to the last 20, 25 or so threads at least.
>>24468158http://g.e-hentai.org/?f_doujinshi=0&f_manga=0&f_artistcg=0&f_gamecg=0&f_western=0&f_non-h=0&f_imageset=0&f_cosplay=0&f_asianporn=0&f_misc=0&f_search=group%3Ajishou+seijunha+eng&f_apply=Apply+FilterI want to tease poor zero saber more and a very pitiful zero saber grows timid. Platonic magician and Lancer and Kirei's date are pretty funny too.
Have we ever pointed out that our initial wish could've been to avoid the slaughter that happened ten years ago? I mean to keep such a thing from happening again not to undo the previous one.
>>24467990>her being a bondage princess... HNNNNNNG>her being a princess princess (with huge fantasies about being princess carried!)HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGRider as a class librarian would be just too much for my poor heart to handle.Was Rider's characterization as a bibliophile/alcohol lover Hollow Ataraxia material? I've not encountered it in most of my readings travels in Nasu-fan-land.>>24467977Lie I said, Souichirou is surprisgly in denial about what he wants. Funny, how most male characters in Fate lack such a coherent sense of self. Souichirou needs a good prod, guys!Also, in planning our next move- after we save Souichirou;;s relationship, what should we do next? Share the dirty secret about Avenger with Rin? Scout out Avenger's base camp? Somethring else?
>>24468243We don't really need the Grail for that. In fact, attempting to acquire he Grail would likely lead straight towards that kind of destruction.
>>24468247Yeah her room is a library in F/HA. Not sure bout the booze though. That part wasn't translated when I went through it
>>24468247>what should we do next?Well, we know that Avenger can spy on us with impunity, but he doesn't know we know. I'm thinking a little information warfare might not be a bad idea, although how exactly to do this without horribly confusing our allies as well is another matter.
>>24468247Princess carry rider.
>>24468310Initial as in why we were picked by the grail. We've now changed our priorities but we could've been subconciously wishing to wish for that to never happen agai- We were wishing to save people -> Saving people requires something to save them from -> We just went full rejoice.Goddamit did we all forget the most basic and obcious thing at the start of the novel?Kotomines origional speech in the church
>>24468247>>24468322Don't go into shock when I tell you guys this, but it's now 94.5% translated>mfw
>>24468387So...Close...I sure am glad I only found out about it recently.I'm still disappointed that Unlimited Codes was removed from the PSN
>>24468387You lie! That is not possible!
>>24468387W-W-W-W-W-W-W-W-WHAT?I never thought I'd see the day.
>>24468387I see your last week and raise you 95% today. They've been booking since they hit 90
>>24468387A-Are all existing copies going to spontaneously self-destruct at 97%?
>>24468387Welp time to dust off the blood sacrifice knife.
>>24468404>>24468417http://vntls.tindabox.net/project/fha/Of course, it's still about 65.3ish% verified, but no one talks about that number when discussing the F/HA translation
>>24468449Yeah if anyone wanted to help them/read the out of context translationshttp://tlwiki.org/index.php?title=Fate/Hollow_Ataraxia
"Did you ask her yourself, or is this just pointless speculation?"He frowns slightly, looking at me. "I don't follow.""Clearly. God, this must be what talking to me is like." I sigh, shaking my head. "First of all, a lot of heroes didn't live happy fun lives. It's not inconceivable that one could want to have a normal life instead of one filled with violence and such. In fact, the Odyssey is basically that: a guy trying to stop adventuring and go home.""Alright but that would also assume she had a reason to stay or assume things would be better now." He hesitates, looking at me more.... studiously. "You've developed a rather nasty twitch there.""That's- Listen. You know the sleeping beauty story, right?""Vaguely." He responds. "Something about a needle and a Prince.""Yeah. Well apparently Avenger can do curse stuff like I do swords or something, and he basically put that curse on you.""..... And I was cured.""YES.""..... So where did a prince-""Not a Prince, love. Love was the key here." I hesitate. "Though I suppose Caster could also be some sort of Princess or something. I'm not entirely sure who she is."Souichiro stares at me, and then back to the TV contemplative. "You think Caster may have developed feelings for me?" He pauses, deep in thought as he watches the news. "Well, it would certainly explain some things. I'll need to look into it."".... That's it?""You expected something else?""Somewhat more of a reaction maybe.""Even if I deemed it a fact worth celebrating, I need to confirm it before I go skipping down the hall in joy."".... Why would you even think of doing that?""Because that seems to happen every time someone develops feelings for someone else at the school. Even the Teachers.">?
>>24468545It's never happened to you?
>>24468545"Stick to being yourself, as plain-faced as that may be. You skipping down the hallway might have catastrophic reactions from those among us with a low tolerance for the strange and unnatural."
>>24468545>Even the Teachers."This I have to hear."
>>24468545I think we might need to apologise to each of the girls. We might end up having an aneurism here."More importantly how would you react if it turns out I'm right?"
>>24468545>Even the Teachers.EXPLAIN FURTHER.But no, seriously this is good progress, and if it turns out to be the case let us know when the wedding is... and we can try to work on some sort of solution to the grail becoming sentient hatefuckeverything.Moving forward we have lunch with bazette and lancer dont we?
>>24468545>Saber's still getting over stealth shirou>Remnants of her fragile mind shatters as she sees Souichibro gaily skipping down the hall>Huddles in the corner with ricecooker-san. The only sane person left in her life
>>24468545>Even the TeachersSigh. "Does that include Taiga whenever she thinks about my cooking?"
>>24468545"If it turns out she DOES want to hang around, you should probably talk to Rin and Ilya about it. They know more about crazy wizard shit than me."Speaking of Ilya and wizards, Shirou doesn't actually know that Ilya's dying at this point, does he? And Merlin seemed to react in a rather unusual manner when we brought her up with him. One more for The Box?
>>24468605>>24468620I can imagine another high spirited person, but I guess Taiga has had a boyfriend or two
>>24468659For a day or two. Raiga has canonically had people get the fuck beaten out of them for hitting on her.
>>24468659>I guess Taiga has had a boyfriend or twoYou guess wrong. Taiga is full-blown Christmas Cake at this point.
>>24468545>It's never happened to you?This is a great thing to ask Souichiro. Teasing out backstory is a Good Thing. Ah, the Fate series does wonderful things for my love of delicious tormented personalities!>>24468545>"Because that seems to happen every time someone develops feelings for someone else at the school. Even the Teachers.""Go on...">>24468651Shirou knows Illya could suffer serious complications from Being The Grail. His "save the girl" instincts flared last thread when it got mentioned, IIRC.>>24468629This mental image shall accompany me gloriously to sleep. Thank you, kind anon!
>>24468651Merlin explained that she's dying that's one of the reasons we wanted to get to Zouken before he get's killed off for real this time.
>>24468659Taiga's only boyfriend is Tora-Shinai.
>>24468545*Facepalm*"As long as you're aware of it, then that's fine."Let's go talk to someone Less dense oh god.
>>24468545>"Explain further" "NO YOU EXPLAIN FURTHER 'BRO'" "NO YOU EXPLAIN FURTHER 'BRO'"A yelling match between souichiro and shirou would be a scary thing to see.
>>24468703>Souchirou sees Taiga skipping down the hall.>"Why are you skipping down the hall, Taiga?">"The love of my life just came home!">She got Torashinai back from the repair shop or whatever last night>"Well okay then."
>>24468629Another thing to ask a drawfag to make, along with Saber noticing Shirou Solid Snaking his way through the house.
>>24468651We know. That's why we mentioned to him if he knew someway to help. He was confused, magiced what we were talking about,then went on a rant about Acht
>>24468545"Well now that you're aware, make sure you both know exactly where you stand on the issue. I may have... neglected to deal with a similar situation or three and I'm paying the price for it. I rest easy knowing that at least you'll be able to avoid my lamentable fate.""Now, whats this about teachers skipping down the halls at school?"
>>24468794Seconding this. Eloquent anon is going to carry us to the promise land
>>24468794>"Well now that you're aware, make sure you both know exactly where you stand on the issue. I may have... neglected to deal with a similar situation or three and I'm paying the price for it. I rest easy knowing that at least you'll be able to avoid my lamentable fate."...We're going to go to Rin as soon as we're done with this conversation and apologize. Both for trolling her and her feelings, and for being this dense. We say "I just saw what our relationship looks like from the outside and realized you deserved better."
"Well now that you're aware, you can take steps and find out where you both stand on the issue. I may have.... neglected similar circumstances. Multiple times in fact. It would be nice to know that one of us can avoid that mess.""Indeed. That would explain why your actions around the various women running around seem so... measured.""Yeah. Now, what's this about teachers skipping down the halls at school?""I've only seen it a few times. Taiga used to do it a lot, but stopped a few years ago. Apparently one of the science teaches is getting married fairly soon and his Fiance did it after dropping off some kind of paperwork. Mostly it's girls your age." He hesitates. "Though i did see Issei doing it once. He denied anything romantic, but I'm fairly certain he was lying about that.">?>Sorry about the delay there.
>>24468979Lunch with bazette (i still dont think we've done that)
>>24468979"Well that's nice. Excuse me I need to go do something manly."Work on that bike. It's been far too long.
>>24468979>A few years ago.>Taiga's single.>Kerry only died five years ago.>Taiga loved him and didn't marry.RIGHT IN THE EMOTIONS!
>>24468979"Well anyway, let me know how that turns out. I've got to go clean up a long-standing mess I wasn't even aware I had made, later."Over to Rin."HOLY SHIT RIN I AM SO SORRY, you are a goddess, please don't murder me."
>>24468990>You still have time.>>24469016>..... Is that the image you meant to post?
>>24468979>>24468990>>24469032Ah, work on the bike then.
>>24468993the bike is merely in need of the timing chain isn't it?
>>24469054Make sure we get Rider if we're going to do this.GOTTA GET DEM POINTS
>>24469068I'm sure Saber might be interested too
>>24469072Did people still want to mention Merlin to Rin or no?
>>24469032FWIW I think the image works perfectly. It's a metaphor, see.>>24469054>>24469068No bike, we're missing a part. Wait until it comes in.>>24468979We're going to talk with Rin. First, apologies, second the jewel, third Sakura's nightmares.
>>24469082I'm pretty sure we're avoiding that until we can be sure avenger isn't spying on us
>>24469065And haven't we already ordered it?
>>24468979Ok... time to beg Rin for forgiveness. This conversation was like looking in a mirror at the end of the day, and realizing you forgot to shave half you face or something equally obvious and embarrassing.
>>24468449So am I supposed to pirate F/HA cause it's listed on amazon jp as Shipping: We're sorry; this item can not be shipped outside Japanand I don't know diddly about those redirecter shipping guys. Why do they gotta make it so hard to buy legit!?
There is still that thing with zouken and/or getting assassin as an extra servant.Seeing that his original goal was to see the grail in its complete form, he might offer us info so as not to let a corrupted one form.Failing that, promising to look after his descendants might work.
>>24469274It's Zouken.... Go watch Fate/Zero and tell me the man gives a fuck about his descendants
I get up and walk away. I wander across the house towards Rin's room, and when I arrive she's opening the door and surprised to see me. "Shirou? Did you want to talk about some-"I place one hand on either shoulder, looking her in the eyes. She seems startled, but doesn't flinch away. "I'm so sorry."".... About what?""I just found out what talking to me is like. I had no idea I could be that frustrating."Rin's gaze turns level and angry. "Yes you did. You've done it multiple times on purpose. To me.""And for that I'm sorry, having been on the receiving end of it just now.""Are you really?" She asks, hands on her hips as she shrugs off my arms. "I find it hard to believe that one conversation was enough to have a through change of heart.""It was exactly bad enough to trigger my low threshold for guilt." I respond. "Seriously. I dropped everything to apologize to you. I think I'm probably going to have to apologize to Saber and Rider in the near future."She frowns slightly, looking at me. "... You actually do mean it, don't you?" She sighs. "Honestly, it's kinda irritating. i can't really complain that much about teasing without coming off as a massive hypocrite." She laughs slightly at the thought. "Sorry. Tell you what, you stop pestering me and I'll do the same for you."[ ] I'll try to tone it down.[ ] I'll consider the offer.[ ] Too late. You laughed. I'm off the hook.
>>24469274>Implying Zouken gives two shits about his descendants
>>24469201No of course not, that would be immoraYES
>>24469333>[ ] I'll try to tone it downWe are full of lies
>>24469333>[ ] Too late. You laughed. I'm off the hook.Come on, now. We can't NOT snark.
>>24469333>[X] Too late. You laughed. I'm off the hook.I am the snark of my body...
>>24469333Too late AHAHAHAHAAHAHA.
>>24469333>[x] Too late. You laughed. I'm off the hook.Then serious up and give her a kiss.
Rolled 17>>24469333>[X] I'll try to tone it down.
>>24469333>[x] Too late. You laughed. I'm off the hook.
>>24469333>[X] I'll try to tone it down.Try working in something that makes her realize we don't mind her teasing us all THAT much, though. It's part of her charm.
>>24469333>[X] I'll try to tone it down."But for the record, it isn't entirely my fault. I can't help it that all the women around me are super cute when they're pouting. Its just too tempting sometimes."
>>24469368>Then serious up and give her a kiss.Is today the day that we kiss all the love interests?That's actually not a bad plan.>>24469333"Do you want me to? I can, but I think I'd miss it--teasing and being teased in return. It's nice, I think."
"Too late, you laughed and I'm off the hook." I respond with a healthy measure of cheer as I turn and walk away.I make it a full three steps before ducking and allowing the textbook to fly past where my head was a moment before. Looking back over my shoulder I give Rin a startled 'what was that for' look while she fumes, cheeks puffed and agitated.She shuts the door of her room with not quite enough force to be considered a 'slam'.[ ] Go talk to ____.[ ] Go to ____.[ ] Return the book.
>>24469445Maybe not return the book, but leave it laying up against her door so it falls inward the next time she goes to leave.Go talk to rider, if we can get the part for the bike before it's time for lunch.
>>24469445>[X] Return the book.We're a Gentlemen are we not? She might need that book.
>>24469445>[ ] Return the book.Operation: Kiss the Love Interests, GO GO GO
>>24469445>One minute too late.Story of my life.We need to talk to Sakura. Get a piece of scratch paper and write a note with the message I just wrote, return it with a kiss, and then lets go talk to the mortal half of team purple.
>>24469463>>24469464Reinforce it first.
>>24469415And then Saber breaks our spine in a huff. It's cool though, those grow back
>>24469333[X]... But I enjoy it when you tease me? Granted, we do often act stupid to our advantage (and everyone else's chagrin) - but Rin's one of the few worthy opponents to match wits with Shirou. So tell her it's never been about insulting, lying, or embarrassing her, but rather an uphill verbal sparring match, as we recognize and value her intelligence.
>>24469455Anyone remember what thread # we were on when we got the time for our part arrivals?
>>24469445Return the book. Give an apologetic hug and kiss, she can't stay mad at us like that.
>>24469471>>24469512>Giving Rin a kissEh... in due time. I don't feel right kissing Rin when I'm rooting for Harem End. Or Sisters end at worst.
>>24469542We already kissed her once, I think. And we definitely kissed Rider this morning.
>>24469542We already did Rider. Now I'm rooting for a full set.
>>24469542We already nearly sexed Rider. Sexed her hard
>>24469571No, rider almost sexed us.
>>24469585Sexed us hard.
>>24469571>>24469585>>24469610The next time Shirou has alone time with her, he's going to tell her in no uncertain terms that he's going to fuck her so hard whoever pulls him out is going to be the one true king of England. Which, considering Saber is the only person not involved capable of moving him... Means we should invite her. Servant 3P?
>>24469610>Riders riding skill is A+Oh god, if shirou *never* gets to do it again he will still remember it for all his life.Is there a male version of ahegao?
>>24469630It's a little crude but rider's sides are going to launch into orbit as soon as she hears that.
>>24469630>only inviting saber and riderwww.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-H-KJRYbw>>24469643I think never getting to do it again would increase the chances of him remembering it.
>>24469445Returning the book is winning and someone wants "Do you want me to? I can, but I think I'd miss it--teasing and being teased in return. It's nice, I think." tacked on.
I calmly pick up the book and knock on the door, Rin opening it clearly still flustered. "You dropped this. At my face."She looks at the book and takes it back, mumbling something that sounds like a 'thanks' and a 'sorry' at the same time. I smile and take her hand."I could tone it down a little. Just a little. Honestly, we need a source of stress relief somewhere. Might as well be my head.""That's not a particularly sane attitude.""It's not like I have anything particularly compelling going on up here." I respond, gesturing loosely to my forehead, and Rin cracks a smile. I open my mouth and she cuts me off."You make that joke again, I'm going to beat you with the book.""Fair enough." I respond with a shrug as she sets the book down. I look past her into the room and see that it's... something of a mess. "What-""I've been busy. Reading books and researching things that might help us." She sighs. "I'm starting to worry about not getting enough sleep with everything that's going on.""Luckily, I've never had a healthy sleep schedule so that isn't a concern." I tell her as I step into the room. She frowns in my direction."Do you ever say anything positive about yourself?""I don't like bragging, though I'm apparently too handsome for my own good. Which is strange and terrifying."Rin's expression goes to the same irritated level gaze she has whenever I say.... anything, really. I get the feeling that her irritation isn't completely serious though.>?
>>24469729http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXmLRHnoSAsKiss the girl.
>>24469729Give her the kiss
I have a suggestion.>Sweep her off her feet dramatically.>hold her in one arm, so that she's practically laying down on our arm.>Make sure she's positioned over her bed.>Act like we're going in slow for the kiss.>She gets flustered.>Asks about t5he other girls.>We go 'oh, right. My bad.'>Drop her.>She falls like a foot onto her bed.>We act like we're going to just walk off and forget about what happened.>She rapes us.>we don't resist>Plausible deniability.
>>24469729Didn't we have plans? Like talking about her sister's nightmare? Ah well, smooching time. I'll see how terribly this went in the morning
>>24469778I can imagine this happening, and it much too humorous
>>24469783All in good time friend. All in good time.For now, we must maintain our laser-like focus on something that is both ill advised and unnecessary.
>>24469729Turn her around and start giving her a shoulder rub. Once she starts being less flustered lets offer to give her a full back and footrub and wake her up in a few hours. If she protests we tell her that it'll be no good to be exhausted if something really serious comes up. Once we're done we gotta to talk to team purple.That was a mgnificent nightmare btw AC-Guy. All dose feels
>>24469783We can talk about her sisters nightmares with her sister... where we kiss her too.And in that time i'll conceive/concoct an ill-fated reason for us to kiss saber too.
>>24469778I like the cut of your jib, but now is not the time for giving Rin the D. We have a lunch-date soon.Give Rin a smooch and then go see Sakura. Her and Saber need some Shirou-time today.
>>24469729"Rin... I haven't told you this before, but i appreciate all the hard work you do"
>>24469729If she's reading up to figure out those runes, ask if she'll need a sounding board/dumb guy opinion that will make her go "That's impossible!" then kick reasons for said impossibility in the curb.This will all just be an icebreaker for more romancing.
>>24467411Usually asleep whenever these threads start...>>24467421Our storage locker was completely empty bar some useless paper. We took everything that wasn't nailed down. Even specifically telling Archer that since he was in the container, he could either pick up a bag and help, or he was going in the bag.>>24469761>>24469773Come on guys, we're only on Verse 37. We have plenty of time for making out later.More importantly, let's compliment her on something that flusters her, then go do something useful before lunch.
Wow. It's like the average intelligence quotient drops by 100 points the minute players assume they have the 'harem ending' in the bag. >>24469729Inform Rin of Sakura's recurring nightmares. Ask Rin if she's uncovered anything useful with her research. Ask rin if she knows of anything that might keep a Servant from making a Contract with a Master who still has Command Spells. Hell - ask Rin to check Shirou's Command Spells and make sure they're there / real. (Avenger might have 'taken' them)
>>24469834and chronologically canon shirou has had 3 more kinky sex scenes than ours
>>24469834which is why the backrub is a good idea. Add in >>24469818 and we're golden. Poor girls been overworking herself for too long and we shant stand it no more!
>>24469801And yet, is there even one of us who doesn't want this to happen?>>24469803You're a classy gentleman. Agreeing to this, even if your pic is a theoretical impossibility. Shirou is dense, and dense=Shirou.
>>24469848>Inform Rin of Sakura's recurring nightmares. This doesn't sound like a good idea.We don't know anything about the dream from Sakura yet. Rider trusted us with the knowledge. Sakura doesn't know we know. Telling her sister doesn't feel like a smart way to gain trust and romance.We wait for Rider to have a talk, then we act from there.>>24469729For now, I think I'm siding with the back rub idea while thanking her for her effort.
did ac-guy died?
>>24470047It's a big scene. Give him time
>>24470047He's probably just agonizing over making some sense out of our fucktarded plans.Hopefully.
>>24470047Too bad, you broke your streak.
>>24470081it wasnt my streak
Gotta love tension build up.
>>24470120Gotta love surprise Mooch
>>24470120Or writer falling asleep at keyboard
>>24470128AC-guy doesn't sleep. Alot like me.However we have different reasons. Mine is a mix between dealing with a baby T-rex and its pet rooster, and SCIENCE.Or could those both be the same thing....>>24470124I just want you to remember...Im always watching....Quietly...waiting to comment...When im least expected..Its a job. It pays well. You should into it.Has excellent dental.
>>24470150You want me to remember? I know where you Science!
"Don't look at me like that, it makes me feel uncomfortable.""Oh?" She says, turning more towards me. "I only get upset with you when you do something stupid.""That's why it makes me uncomfortable. Please stop before I do something to earn it."She smiles, a little too sweetly. "Oh? Like what?"Instead of saying word, and hook one hand around her waist and spin her around while she lets out a surprised 'meep'. I lower her, cradling her with one arm and slowly brushing my other hand along her cheek. She blushes heavily. "Is something wrong?" I ask, concerned."I... this is- Shirou?" She looks at me, seemingly terrified. I wonder if I've gone just a little too far this time. ".... Should we be doing something like this? I mean.... I thought you were trying not to do something to hurt people-""Yeah." I sigh. "You're right." I drop her on her bed, and she squeaks again before she hits the bed. "I should go. Maybe I'll see how Saber's doing-" I reach for the doorknob when a hand firmly grips my shoulder and yanks me off balance back onto the bed."No. I get one for that." Rin says simply, darting in and giving me one tiny peck on the lips before smiling triumphantly.I hear myself say it before I realize what I'm doing. "If you're going to do that, you might as well make it worth it." She looks at me confused for a moment before I grab her around her waist and pull her lips into mine. for several seconds we stay there locked before I let her go and she slowly raises herself off of me.Rin looks down at me with a measure of surprise and something I don't remember seeing on her face before. It's... desire? No, that's not right. Not hunger but something else..... I can't place it. Finally she speaks. "... That was....""... Yeah...."".... You should go." She sighs, rolling off of me. "It's not fair of either of us to be teasing like that if we can't-" She looks away. "Sorry.""No, it's alright. I understand."She smiles, face still red as I walk away.>?
>>24470171>GaspYou know where I science?.....ah crap there went like 115 years of my life keeping that secret....Shit...Now I gotta start over....Damnit..
>>24470172New plans for dinnertime: initiate Operation Tenchi Muyo. It's time we sit all the girls down and work out the details of polygamy. Or at least polyamory.
>>24470172Oh gods, what?Well, I suppose we have to go make out with everyone else now, just to keep it even.I vote Saber next.
>>24470208How about talking to Illya, Saber and Ride for some support?It's got to have two wingwomen and one harem member for the initiation of the plan.
>>24470208Whoa there buddy, remember, we can't be the one to pitch the idea. That way lies everyone (but Rider) screaming PERVERT and slapping our shit. Gotta be subtle about it.Also, we still need to do some significant work with Sakura I think.
>>24470172AC-Guy, why you do this? Every time you ask 'What Do' it become pic relate! >¿Prepare the Lunch - For maximum negotiate!
>>24470172Sakura needs a cheeringup.Maybe no kisses yet, but soon.
>>24470231On the other hand, if we aren't open with the fact that we like everyone and we definitely do NOT want to hurt any of them, then once they find out that we kissed them all and you KNOW we're going to kiss them all before the end of the day then they'll be PISSED. Inverted Social Link pissed.
>>24470172Alright, enough playing around for one day. Lets go see what Sakura is up to.I appreciate everyone's zeal for Seibah, but last time we put her in an awkward situation she BROKE OUR DAMN SPINE.
>>24470172Time to go find Rider and see if she's talked to Sakura about the nightmare yet. We need to get to it before it bites us in the ass.>>24470231Yeah. Sakura is going to be a mountain of work
>Go visit Sakura & RiderSakura and Saber need some Emiya-lovin' today, and Sakura is the most case.
Sakura feels like she's useless. And, to be honest, the way we're doing stuff in this quest, she kinda is.How can we make her a useful and contributing member of the group?
>>24470267>but last time we put her in an awkward situation she BROKE OUR DAMN SPINE.Totally worth it
>>24470298Teach her worm magic.
>>24470298Can someone who's played heaven's feel info dump sakura's capabilities?
>>24470310She's an imitation Lesser Grail (what Ilya is) and she can eat and corrupt Servants once she gets hooked up to Angry Manjew. Also she has access to near infinite prana.Unfortunately, she's only the imitation Grai-GUYS.GUYS.Ilya didn't feel Berserker go into her because he went into Sakura.
>>24470310Sakura really doesn't have much in the way of magical capabilities at least until she starts channeling Angry Manjew and goes full yandere. I mean, she's got the circuits, but ask her to blast something with magic and she won't know what the fuck to do. Hence Rin's tutoring.I vote we put her in charge of maintaining Harem morale and discipline. This is a necessary duty, and we won't have the time between fighting stuff and fucking bitches.
>>24470328Even after we removed the worms?I thought doing that would remove her ability to function as a lesser grail.
>>24470328But wasn't sakura made a lesser grail from thegrailgoo/fragment imbued worms? How did that diddly work?
>>24470344She got most of the worms removed in Heaven's Feel, too, apart from the worm near her heart that was Zouken's plylactery-worm.
>>24470328If she was an active Lesser Grail, she should have been having spooky Grail dreams and the Shadow would be running around eating things by now.
>>24470362I don't remember Sakura having Shadow dreams until two Servants died, Lancer and Caster. We're only down one.
>>24470362The twon IS losing folks at night...
>>24470376She killed Lancer as the shadow though
>>24470362how many servants were down when she started having them in heaven's feel?
>So paranoid ramblings aside, what's winning?
>>24470414Sakura I belive
>>24470411Just Caster and Fake Assassin, which is the same number as we have dead now (Cain presumably, and Fake Assassin).The next one to bite it was Lancer, who got eaten by the Shadow.
>>24470376But Bahsahkah is worth, like, 3, or something like that.In unrelated news I just got back from Iron Man 3. Extremis chicks are hot.>>24470414Cherry Blossom time.
>>24470354>>24470353It wasn't the worms, it was fragments of the fourth grail implanted by Zouken. So far, all we've done is remove the worms that were threatening Sakura's health.On a side note: Sakura was not actually supposed to be activated as a Lesser Grail in this time frame. HF's route is actually completely caused by Shirou choosing her, thus releasing all her pent-up negative emotions and making her a suitable vessel for Angry Manjew.>>24470362>>24470376>>24470410>>24470411I was under the impression she was having Shadow dreams the entire time. It's just that the VN doesn't let us know that until both Assassin and Caster are down.
>>24470414Team purple and it's implied that we check with Rider first since we're not supposed to know until Rider brings it up for us.
>>24470414Saber:>>24470185>>24470227Sakura:>>24470231>>24470252>>24470267>>24470280>>24470287>>24470298Operation Tenchi Muyo:>>24470208Prepare for Lunch Negotiaions:>>24470246
>>24470438Shit.This really means we need that talk with zouken...
>>24470438>it was fragments of the fourth grail implanted by Zouken.Do we actually have confirmation that Zouken got his hands on the grail fragments this time around? If Avenger showed up at the end of the last war, he might have grabbed them himself.Also, Kirei mentioned that he was going to the CHURCH to put down Zouken. Kirei tends not to get shit like that wrong, which means Zouken's phylactery worm might not actually be in Sakura.
>>24470438To add to this, haven't there been more disappearances from the town recently?And Berserker hasn't returned to the IlyaGrail.And Sakura has just started having dreams about Kariya getting dissolved, and us rusting away.
>>24470470>Zouken's phylactery worm might not actually be in SakuraWell, no, we removed it.
>>24470452>Sakura's a lock then.>Topic of conversation? Or are you just going to stare at her until her sanity finishes crumbling away?
>>24470482We're heading first to Rider to see the results of her talking to Sakura about the nightmares and then make a battleplan. And then we're going to dogpile feels onto Sakura until she feels better
>>24470454Good luck on that one, Kirei just went to exterminate him, remember?If we get to talk to him, means he fucked up Kirei's shit.>>24470470>Zouken's phylactery worm might not actually be in Sakura.We took the worms out.Zouken is now just Zouken as far as I'm aware...?And Zouken's body is in the Church.>>24470482>stare at her until her sanity finishes crumbling awayWith this expression
>>24470471I'm not 100% sold that she's evil Grail waiting to happen. It's entirely possible that said nightmares are brought on by her low self esteem.The events might not be connected anyway, WE'VE DONE NOTHING TO LOOK INTO THE ODD DISAPPEARANCES. AT ALL.WHY ARE WE NOT HEROIC AT ALL!?
>>24470479Oh yeah that's right, we used Rule Breaker this time didn't we?In the VN Kirei can't remove it fully without killing her, but we may have bypassed that little obstacle thanks to our friendly neighborhood Caster.
>>24470495Because whenever we step outside our evil twin and/or Gilgamesh show up and try to wreck our shit! Its annoying as hell!
>>24470504>I love that picture. I swear to god, you stare at in long enough and you can hear his insane laughter.
>>24470438Not completely.Zouken did tell us previously that he DID attempt to collect the grail fragments previously but he was unable to find any/they dissolved or something.Unless we treat his words as all lies, i think the implantation of the fragments in sakura didnt occur in this timeline.
>>24470500Doesn't keep her from being the Grail host, does it?
>>24470495>I'm not 100% sold that she's evil Grail waiting to happen. Well, I'm not the one trying to sell the idea to you.I'm just trying to help out by posting Nasu-facts or quest history.On that note, add>>24470514to the list of considerations for the paranoid ramblings.
>>24470493Theres that optuon that no one wants which is going to the church to speak with him one last time before he dies and/or steal assassin.
>>24470514>>24470500So aside from THE TRAUMA, that means Sakura is probably fine. So we just have to deal with THE TRAUMA.Unfortunately, unlike us I doubt being lit on fire will result in any life-changing epiphanies, so we should probably just start off with asking about her knightmares.
>>24470530Actually, remember lancer's counsel? We should be speaking with her about the fire as well. It'll be good for her as well.
>>24470513It's the same laughter I'd imagine hearing while we drive poor Sakura insane
>>24470521well, >>24470514 does.And if she DID have grail fragments implanted in her, a stab from Rule Breaker might expel them anyway. It nullifies ALL magical contracts and bindings after all, and since she's not a proper Vessel that means the fragments would have to be magically attached to her.
>>24470500>>24470521Hmm, actually, that reminds me.At the end of HF, IIRC Shirou uses Rule Breaker on Sakura in order to dispel Angry Manjew's connection to her.Combining Zouken's claim of not having found the fragments with us already having used Rule Breaker on her, there is little chance of her either being an active Grail or Zouken's free respawn.
>>24470482Only topics I can think of is what was Rin's assessment of Sakura's magic capabilities/element, how she's doing with Rider as her Servant again, and try to subtly squeeze in questions about her nightmares and ask if they're a frequent recurring thing.
>>24470565You are now imagining zouken's mind in sakura's body.
>>24470310>Sakura has inherited tremendous sorcerous potential [...], although she has little knowledge of established incantations and her Mana supply is limited by Zouken's worms. >As a child, her father [...] recognized that while Sakura lacked all five elements, she extraordinarily possessed the rare potential as a mage with only Imaginary Numbers. Imaginary Numbers is shadow-magic that lets her do Matou stuff.We've dispelled the worms, so basically she's like mini-Rin in Fate/Zero right now.>>24470482Nightmares. Do it subtly. Say Rider mentioned she has trouble sleeping.
>>24470482Nightmares and FIRE.
I find Rider along my search for Sakura."Hey. Have you seen Sakura?""I think she was thinking about lunch since you have your meeting." She answers, leaning against the wall."Right. Have you had a chance to talk to her about the whole knightmares thing?""No. I asked her about them claiming I felt a connection instead of actively watching her dreams. She just apologized and ran away blushing." She frowns. "I tried to approach the topic again and she panicked worse the more I pressed.""... Damn. any ideas?""You could ask her if she's alright, since she looks a little flustered. I was planning on trying to make her dreams a bit... happier, if I could."I look past Rider into the kitchen where Sakura's bustling about oblivious to our presence across the way.>?
>>24470609One last word to rider. "Perhaps you can help her get used to the idea of... You know, with your dreams?"Go up to sakura and hug her from behind.
>>24470619I god yes.Rider dream espionage. Now we're thinking with MAGIC!
>>24470609Give her a back hug and a neck nuzzle. Intertwine our fingers with hers and keep up the back hug as we tell her that we've noticed that somethings bothering her and we'd love to help her with it because she deserves to be happy and the people in her life want her to be happy too. And immediately continue to say that if she feels uncomfortable talking about it to us then Rin should be able to help.>It probably doesn't help that we're the tin & cardboard knight falling apart and asking about the nightmare we star in.Bail me out here swuave anon. I'm bad at this stuff
>>24470609>blushing and flusteredD-don't tell me she's still conditioned to need... "prana transfers"?>ActionAsk if she's opening up her inner feelings more to Rider now that she's back with her Servant.Then tell her that she can trust Shirou and Rin to be treated in the same way.Next, subtly inquire about nightmares.
>>24470649>Bail me out here swuave anonSorry bro, I blew my once-per-thread moment of brilliance on Souichibro. Plus wormslut makes me want to punch kittens, although I recognize her as a necessary prerequisite for glorious Rider.I like >>24470619, and then ask whats bothering her.
>>24470619>One last word to rider. "Perhaps you can help her get used to the idea of... You know, with your dreams?"Seconding this bit.>>24470609No hugging or crap. Just offer to help cook before we leave. Mention that Rider said she's having trouble sleeping. Does she want to talk about it with us? Doesn't matter what it's about, she knows we're always here to help, no matter how trivial.
>>24470609Come up with a happy dream and tell her about it. Then non-chalantly ask her about if she has happy dreams, like we do. If she gets flustered, and obviously lies or something, just ask whats wrong. >This is how I social...
>>24470619Hell. If she can, she needs to do this to rin and saber as well.
>>24470649swapping to and combining >>24470619>>24470693
>>24470693>>24470689Use Demon Shirou's amazing social skills and mystical powers of emotion and lie detection to force her to talk about awkward dreams?I'm ALL in.
>>24470609>"Right. Have you had a chance to talk to her about the whole knightmares thing?"
>>24470693So you base your social interactions on lies?>>24470609Hug from behind. "How you doing?"
>>24470723>Who says we're lying. For all we know we can have happy dreams.you calling me a lair? I'll have you know Im a habitual Liar thank you very much. However I know when not to lie. This is one of those moments.
>>24470745>>24470693>Come up with a happy dream and tell her about it.Shirou has no happy dreams.
>>24470781"I dream of cranky old wizards shouting at me how about you?"
>>24470791>I'm not sure why everyone adds 'old' to every description of 'Merlin'. The only things given for a description don't hint at any age, much less an old one.
>>24470816He's Merlin. Everyone knows Merlin's an old coot.
>>24470816Must be habit wisdom tends to be associated with age.
>>24470816because a middle aged lech isn't as fun as an old one
>>24470826The Merlin I remember was a young bright man, who watched Dragons rip each other apart.
>>24470826>The only physical description pegged him as having dark hair and weird medieval-ish clothing.
>>24470828.... And we associate 'wisdom' with 'Merlin'?>>24470835You just get more irritating with every post.
>So.... What's the plan here now?
>>24470838Physical description and subconscious perception are two veeery different things.
>>24470851Tactical hugs and 'hey pretty lady what's cookin?'
>>24470851Variations of asking sakura about the dream with Mooch's being the best and some hugs sprinkled in.
>>24470851Step 1: Tell Rider that we fully approve of her plan to use dreams to pitch the idea of sexy threesomes. Damn Rider, you have good ideas. I wish I had ideas like you do.Step 2: Stealth hugging actionStep 3: Ask her whats bothering her.
>>24470851Listen to Mooch.
>>24470851A combination of telling Rider to go ahead with Dream Espionage, then a tactical hug on Sakura, followed by cooking whilst applying Mooch Social.At least that appears to be the plan.
>>24470885Highest evolved plan is best plan
>>24470866>>24470875>>24470885>>24470892You're really not being very subtle at all.
>>24470892Whoops, forgot to say upgrading from >>24470866 to >>24470892. others arent me
Talking about dreams in the middle of the day is really fucking awkward and obvious.I know we're coming out of the Ass-end of night-time personally, but in the pretend Japan of this game, it's about lunchtime.Just, you know. Letting you know that shoehorning in this convo is unsubtle and terrible before I go to bed.You dumb fucks.
>>24470915Well it's not like we have a better option. Sakura's going all timebomb on us and we need to release the pressure somehow short of a night visitation.
>>24470915Who said subtle was good 100% of the time with people?.....
>>24470927To be fair, you aren't exactly the best when it comes to this kind of thing.
>>24470915Well being as how pretty much every one of my attempts to steer us towards "say Rider says she had trouble sleeping" has been completely ignored, yes we're going to go with talking about dreams.Throw in the fact that in previous threads, you guys have tried to ask Taiga if she wants some lunch at around 3am.And the fact that we're not just in Japan, but we're playing as Emiya "I have no social skills" Shirou.I rather take offence at your remarks.
>>24470930Im not the best, but I fair better then some.ALOT better then some. Im at least DECENT.
>>24470939No, you're really not.
>>24470924We could be all 'you don't look great, did you sleep well' instead of screaming 'LETS TALK DREAMTIMES'.>>24470927Every time we've ever tried being blunt with Sakura she's flipped on some level. She gives us the bare minimum to get out of the situation and skedaddles.I'm saying we should coax her out of her shell instead of kicking in the door to emotional freak-out land.>>24470935Dude, I'm the voice of reason half the time. The only one I know is doing better about not fucking it up is that one crazy observant guy.
>>24470960there are four sane people hereThe voice of Reason.Crazy Observant Guy.Ac-Guy.Oh wait that's three.
>>24470851Talk Sakura, tell her she looks flustered and we want to help her however we can, possibly hugs to prevent panicked retreats.
>>24470869>Step 1: Tell Rider that we fully approve of her plan to use dreams to pitch the idea of sexy threesomes. Damn Rider, you have good ideas. I wish I had ideas like you do.This is the proper phrasing, if we do this.
>>24470976>I don't think I should get full credit since I generally just make popcorn whenever shit gets stirred.>Also, I generally serve as an enabler for whatever shit you've done/planned.
>>24470960Hey there no sellf-esteem girl who feels bad about people worrying about her! You're looking a little rough, did you sleep well? Yes? Well it seems like your hiding something. O-OHIGOTTAGODOSOMETHINGx999We gotta kick the doors to emotional freak-out land wide open grapple her in an inescapable hug until she understands it. If this comes to a lunch time bound Sakura body sushi while everybody reaffirms that not only that she deserves to be happy but that all these people in here life want to see her happy then by god we'll do it!That would make for the most awkward coming party for Shirou to announce that he's withdrawing from the war to elope with Issei
>>24470869Lets go with this. Same effect, but without the "Hey Sakura, how bout dem KNIGHTMARES?" line that is so contentious.
>>24471019Sakura, either you develope some self respect, or I elope with Issei. YOUR MOVE.
>>24470960>Every time we've ever tried being blunt with Sakura she's flipped on some level.When have we EVER tried being blunt with Sakura?Every time it's been all like "Oh hey there, you don't look too great."'IVEGOTTAGODOSOMETHING!'That one time we actually did push her on something and keep her trapped?'HUG ME SEMPAI!'>The only one I know is doing better about not fucking it upI suppose I can't really talk, because I'm never here when you guys all go full retard.I just sit here and point out flaws in the plans and never actually post my own ideas.
>>24471019>>24471021Yeah, confront her, gently but firm. MINUS directly outing Rider's involvement in our concern. Especially since she was apparently less than subtle about her badgering.
>>24471057Honestly, I do the same other than when someone's overlooked something critical.Apparently this makes me 'the only guy actually paying attention' which amuses me greatly.For what it's worth >>24471058 looks like the best plan so far. Actually going 'KNIGHTMARES' like the ancient aliens guy seems unwise, but I agree on the firm hand.I'm worried about constantly confronting her though. I'd like to see her try to heal, not develop an extreme dependance on us.
>>24471077Shirou should not be the only one hugging her.
>>24471083Shirou hugs Sakura. Rider hugs Sakura and Shirou. Rin hugs Sakura and Shirou who's being hugged by Rider. Taiga leaps ontop of all of them because it looks fun. Saber sips tea.
>>24471083>Sakura starts to go IVEGOTTAGODOSOMETHING"RIDER, I NEED BACKUP!"> Rider joins hug>Sakura keeps struggling"RIN, HELP!">Rin piles on>Sakura still not stopping"SABER, HELP ME AND I'LL COOK TRIPLE PORTIONS FOR DINNER TONIGHT!">Massive pile of affection finally overwhelms her defensesIts a perfect plan.
>>24471125And it quickly devolves into an orgy once the sharks realize shirou can't escape
>>24471125The problem is, WE are going always IVEGOTTAGODOSOMETHING.
>>24471138Nah, we've got it figured out now. Hell, its not even lunch and we've already put the moves on two of them.
>>24470609I'm torn between:1. working on Sakura's self esteem ("As much as I love cooking, I don't think I'd manage to do this nowadays without your help.")2. kinda confronting her ("Rider said that you still look concerned. Look at me. You're not a burden. I cannot live without other people and without making making them happy. I need you all, including you, to live like I want to live.And if you cant stop to think about yourself like a burden, then learn to think about me as someone who cant live without a burden. Not to mention other people that obviously need you, like Rin and Rider. I don't think anyone can understand Rider as much as you do and she really needs it." Or something like that)In either case, mandatory hug and FFS DON'T RUN AWAY in the MIDDLE OF CONVERSATION.
>>24471148That's true for every girl other than Sakura. But she's an exception (well, maybe along with Saber).
>>24470992I'm against this.
What I would give to just set up a group therapy session or something so things would get moving. One-on-one conversations with Sakura always end up with her running away
>>24471179We should Probably focus on her self-esteem, and very slowly and carefully work onto the nightmares.
Yeah, we should really tell Sakura how much we need her. She's our rock, an anchor to the past, the one thing that still keeps Shirou's life vaguely 'normal'. It doesn't matter that she's not a fighter or that her knowledge of magic sucks. Her presence is just... soothing, I think.Also we need her because Rider will vanish without her.
>>24471220Well if this run fails it's time for a Shirou+Rider+Rin intervention.
>>24471291Actually I think we'd be better off throwing Saber and Ilya at her.
>>24471297Honest question, how is throwing a 3rd party at her going to help more than people directly in her life. Her crush, long lost sister, and servant chosen to closely match her personality?
>>24471285You're a genius, anon!It actually matters that she's not a fighter or a walking library, because that makes her a stronger anchor to the past (still, we have to be careful about the past. Her's wasn't so nice and I don't want her to hope for Shinji's pain again).
OT, but I just noticed that the stats in the lower right corner show which page we are on.Thank you, based Moot.
Ya know, I'm missing AC-Quest right now.Not for AC-Quest, but because whenever AC-Guy disappeared, we got to dump mecha porn.
>>24471390Gee I wonder why he stopped.
>>24471367>First look>"Which direction am I supposed to read it?">Closer inspection>"Wait, the guy who did this anticipated that"
>>24471390Oh my.You discover something new on the internet every day it seems.
>>24471421Because a fire and other Nat. 1 events wiped out almost a years' worth of his notes on the rules and background events.
Can somebody make a total of the options and votes?>>24471447I cried when I saw that post on twitter. ;_;
>>24471390Can I post Chibi-Rider instead?
>>24471455>Can somebody make a total of the options and votes?At this point? I pity the fool who tries to tally these votes. We've been bullshitting back and forth long enough that its nearly impossible to parse whos who at this point.
Older Plans:>>24470864>>24470723>>24470619Tactical Hugs:>>24470875>>24470885>>24470693>>24470710Mooch SocialSeemingly current plans:>>24471058>>24471179Gentle but firm confrontation>>24471265>>24471179Work on Self Esteem>>24471285>>24471316Tell Sakura we need her because she's an anchor to normality.Captcha: ALOES laceBraOh really, captcha?
>>24471474>tfw nobody will get around to translating ecorider 2I suppose someone could commission SaHa to do it or something but I don't even know if they can into non-H
>>24471512>>24471455Basically, I think the plan is to have some sort of firm confrontation with Sakura, initiated by a hug, that makes her tell us about the dream, then boosting her self esteem by telling her that we need her because she's our anchor to normality. So even if she doesn't help, she's keeping us sane.
>>24471512Today a hero was born.
>>24471555I am still against the firm confrontation. Gentle confrontation all the way.
>>24471530I know from experience that DesuDesu is up for pretty much anything as long as you pay him.
>>24471555>So even if she doesn't help, she's keeping us sane.No, she does help by keeping us sane (not exclusively by this).
>>24471580Uh, yeah. I worded that badly. I meant that even if she's not fighting or doing housework, like she complained about the last time we talked to her.>>24471571"firm but gentle".The two aren't mutually exclusive, and I think the consensus is that if we're too gentle she'll run away again.Also, we've ridden the autosage to page 5 already.
>>24471572Can they do Non-H well? I hate the diddly out of spending dosh but that missing ecorider 2 and one day vol 17 has been abrading my broadsides for far too long.>>24471603What's the bump limit on /tg/?
>>24471616>What's the bump limit on /tg/?300. We hit it 74 posts back.
>>24471616>What's the bump limit on /tg/?300.Based AC-Guy, I require sleep. Consensus has been mostly reached. Final update incoming maybe?
>>24471603>Also, we've ridden the autosage to page 5 already.I'm not sure it does matter at this point. AC-Guy probably has got his deserved rest already.Captcha: suidesA Conclusion; did it try to spell "suicide?"
>>24471634>tfw AC-Guy already went to sleep, and our anguished cries only serve to amuse him in his dreams.
>>24471616DesuDesu is just one dude, I think. Not the fastest scanlator around, but his prices are reasonable and he had good communication throughout. He even sent me the translated script so I could do some proofreading/editing because he wasn't familiar with the series I commissioned.
>>24471658About as good as any I suppose. Thanks for a second opinion.What's a good resource for looking up doujins and maybe even importing them? Mugi and exhentai are a bit of a help but there's some I know I haven't seen raws for.
>>24471695No clue. Maybe check on /a/ or /jp/?
>>24471695Well It looks like there wont be an ecorider vol 3 or One day Vol 18 if the porno mags are anything to go by
I think it's safe to assume AC-Guy died.
>>24471798Of course.Anyone hanging around now is just riding the auto-sage to 404
>AC-Guy dead>teamkilled by premiumtards in WoTHA HA TIME FOR BED
If that's it for AC-Guy, then final paranoid theories time!Sakura is just sexually frustrated after being a wormslut for a long time, even if she's cured and excised of crest worms. Hell, she probably couldn't even shlick in the Emiya household without drawing the attention of any of the three Servants and various other guests.
>>24472090Shirou and rider try their best to sate her hunger but are found wanting. She eventually has shirou, Rider, Rin, Ilya, Torashinai, and Saber on a rotation
>>24472090>Sakura is just sexually frustrated after being a wormslut for a long time...Did we ever ask Rider why she thought Sakura was having nightmares?Because if Sakura was tossing and turning in her sleep while moaning, it might not be nightmares...
>>24472362Rider was looking at her dreams wasn't she? If Sakura is getting off on Shirou getting the shit beat out of him and dying, I am worried.
>>24472362If only it was that simple. ;_;http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/24369660/#p24371341
>>24472362Rider can dream-dive. She's probably peeked.
>>24472393That's not the full dream, though. Rider said she only caught glimpses of it. For all we know there's a lot of shit happening before or after that.If these really are prophetic dreams and not just random dream-nonsense, I think we did good by not going to save Zouken from Kirei.Although now I'm kinda terrified that Kirei IS the rusting knight and Zouken is going to screw him over somehow. He did save Sakura's life before, so that might make him a knight-in-shining-armor to her.
>>24472429It's probably Kariya/Lancelot from F/Z, since he tried to save her and got boned by Zouken
>>24472447I hadn't thought of that. It makes far too much sense.
>>24472429Perhaps we should go with Kirei.On the pretense of getting Zouken's last words to Shinji and Sakura.Real purpose would be to see whether we can snag assassin and make sure Kirei doesn't bite it.
>>24472693Perhaps we should have sex with Sakura.
>>24472709What do you mean perhaps.It will be done.In time.
>>24472693I think the bigger concern is making sure that Kirei doesn't get assassin. After working with Team Purple to sort that stuff out we need to call Bazette to get her to come early and PRONTO. Round up the warwagon, and get to the church so we can be sure that whoever wins. WE win. Especially when you consider that kirei got fucking Hassan in F/Zero
>>24472709>>24472693These two things are not mutually exclusive. Also I agree with helping Kirei after lunch with Bazett and Lancer.
>>24472729>"I believe he's still at the Church because he doesn't like the sun. I plan on stopping in at around noon and crushing the spiritual form keeping him alive and sending him into the afterlife. Once he's dead I can banish Assassin like any other wandering spirit."There wont BE a Zouken if we wait till lunch which is less than 3 hours iirc
>>24472725>>24472729I am slightly concerned though.I was expecting the call to come in the morning. Usually folks schedule a location for lunch at least a few hours in advance.I'm thinking we should give them a call. If the timing was going to clash with Kirei's meet at the church, we could push back the meeting to a late lunch or something.
>>24472757Eh, Bazett is understandably paranoid as shit so I can understand why she's putting it off. We need to decide some other things for lunch, though:-Who will we bring with us?-What kind of alliance are we going to suggest?-How can we give Bazett a happy ending?If we can only bring one person, I'd say we bring Saber. We haven't had genuine one-on-one time with her in a while, and she gets along with Lancer.The second question is much harder. Bazett and Lancer could probably fucking destroy us if they were at full power. This needs to be handled carefully.As for the last bit... Shirou's harem is big enough as it is, so maybe we could pair Bazett up with Lancer maybe?
We should also call Raiga and ask him if he knows which container at the docks was destroyed and/or if it was an accident. Losing all those resources would be quite a blow.
>>24472843>SaberTotally agreed.This can double as a date. And since Caster has not severed the contract at this time, she can use Saber to confirm the details of the alliance.The second one, the usual one we've offered to our fellows? Sharing of information and non-aggression/cooperation until we figure out how to handle the grail being an unholy artifact.Last one: Shes abiiiit like Saber in that respect. We just need to demonstrate to her how a warrior woman would go on a date.
>>24470454And theoretically I like that too. But it's a looong shot with very high risk for little to no reward. From the highly experienced and very strong executioner we know that there's a nearly eradicated Zouken as a spiritual body and assassin holed up in the church with a wounded Kirei going to knock him off around noonish. So here's the sitch. If we rush in we immediately have to deal with a desperate, no sense of write and wrong, ancient magi who will do any and everything in his power to escape. If he can entrance and possess anybody then by god he's going to do it immediately and sure as hell without asking. But let's pretend that he's not an ancient bastard on the verge of death. His response to any questions is going to be some variation of get me the hell out of here and here's sketchy magic ritual that'll fuck us over #7/kill kirei:So, let's say we put Zouken in a magic jar macguffin and carry him away before kirei arrives, Kirei is going to remember that he's JUST had a conversation with someone who really wanted to survive. Kirei goes homicidal bad endSo, let's say we put Zouken in a magic jar macguffin and as we're skittering away into the bowels of the city to get him to a proper host Kirei shows up. He's going to know he's outclassed, throw black keys at the person with the lowest EV furthest from a servant and split. From that moment on we're essentially kill on sight by any means necessary enemies of the church And then we pretty much have to go all kayneth with a bajillion mage/defenses alarms while holing up at home. Eventually somebody will get sloppy and Kireis kill count is going to rise. Kirei Bad End-cont-
>>24472899So, now lets say we end up with one of the numerous kill Kirei scenarios from him showing up at the church and we go battle to the death to us hunting him down and ganking him with all the servants we can drag along. Rejoice! Well now the church is going to have a dead mediator and presuming we can pull off a true incanation/mana battery true end when the investigators show up there's going to be multiple servants running around and some heavy questions are going to be asked if they don't just decide that it's time to send a cleanup crew. And if Kirei somehow sent word that there's a nearly dead ancient "vampire" he's about to take care of as his last message then we're risking burial agency FUN. Kirei Bad EndBut let's just handwave the whole Kirei obstacle for a second. While Zouken has -said- he's more or less lost interest in the war because of it probably not being the real grail or whatever it was he has negative motivation to give us anything let alone actually useful information. We've taken his student and for his purposes ruined her as well as essentially forcing him to restart his search for -any- heir let alone a suitible one. A far worse scenario than his if Sakura loses but survives she should pop out a powerful kid for me to use in the next war plan. Oh, and on top of that we wrecked his phylactery worm backup. WHICH WOULD BE -VERY- USEFUL FOR HIM RIGHT ABOUT NOW! But let's play a game of pretend where Zouken does feel like giving up secrets that magi spend entire genrations trying to figure out to the enemy.-cont-
>>24472843Yes, offer to swear a geis of non-aggression and truth just so that they know we're on the level. Point out everything wrong and we should be fine.Our helping her with the vamp should've bought us a bit of good will at least. I figure we're aiming to get every servant still in this war to co-operate at this point because there is no real reason for any of them to fight. So a basic non agression pact would be good I figure.Also slap anyone and everyone who keeps going on about fighting for the semi-sentient hate machine. Really why does that seem like a good idea? So far we have over half of the servants in this war agreeing that fighting over it is stupid, just a few more and we can finally get that group photo!
>>24472903But let's say he does. Now consider the fact that his home and like a very large portion of his lab and research notes were annihilated by Archer and that the Makiri family contributions were mostly the servant/command spell system. That's going to need some badass fucking notes for us scrubs. And even then, what little there is that would be of use would only be of use to someone like caster. So we're risking numerous precious peoples lives and pissing off a mentally unstable and highly skilled assassin (Kirei) for information we have good odds of not receiving that will likely be incomplete, unsuitable for our puposes, and likely of practical use only to caster if even her. That being said, we still gotta go to make sure Assassin is put down or rule breaker'd and command sealed into doing fuckall.Oh and btw we've saved the guy that's horrifically abused Sakura severely for over a decade. That'll really help sakura's mental wellbeing and the groups opinion of us Wooo!
>>24472849As stated before, we cleared EVERYTHING out of that apart from some foreign money and travel books.We even threatened to bag Archer since he was in the container and not helping us bag things.>>24472918>GeassAlways be careful on terms.>Non-agressionSure, we have those and we can keep them easily. Include a clause like the one we had with Caster, so we can forgive if the geass NEEDS to be broken.>truth...not so much.Offer to share information, sure. Share truthful information, sure.Don't need to make a geass of it though. I can see that biting us in the ass when we try and blow something off.Like, say, "Oh don't worry, I'm not in much pain." Which is a common lie for Shirou.>>24472897>taking SaberThirded, but not for date reasons.Bazett will bring Lancer.We bring our Servant. Saber is our Servant.Noone else, keep it on level footing.
>>24472920Why don't we just help kill him and then steal Assassin? I mean then Assassin can fill us in on all the stuff Zouken has been up to as well as the locations of his hideouts and possible stores of knowledge.Losing the chance at nabbing Assassin is really the only thing I'm worried about.
>>24472996Sorry meant to specify that the geas of truth would last until the end of lunch. 'Sides we have rule Breaker if we do ever enter into a magical contract that we need to be rid of.
>>24472997Mainly because we don't know if it will work in the first place. It relies on way too many variables that we know NOTHING about. Add to that the fact that Assassin will mos' def' hate our guts, we'll have to rely on our command seals to do shit. This is not something we want.Besides, if we want to go sneaking we have the Box.
>>24472996No reason we can't have abit of fun with saber while we're at it.
>>24473042>Two strong warrior women, out of touch with their femininity>Legendary Womanizing Bro Cu Chullainn>Emiya Shirou, Smiter of Liches, Fucker of BitchesThis will be a very fun double-date. And the ladies don't even know it's a double-date yet.
>>24472920The point of talking to Zouken was nothing to do with information on that stuffs.It was to check whether or not Sakura was a Lesser Grail.Besides which, why do we need to "save" him and piss of Kirei etc. That sounds like the most roundabout, reckless and pointless way of asking him a question.Go with Kirei. Beat the crap out of Zouken. Offer him his life if he answers our questions.Get the answer.Kill him.Was that really so hard?
>>24473060I cannot stop grinning.
>>24473061Zouken's not stupid. If Kirei's there, he knows he's a dead man and he'd give us nothing. Also, Zouken is not someone you want to give ANY opportunities to escape. And stopping the killing blow just to ask him a vague question that he most likely won't answer anyway just might be enough of an opportunity for him to do one last trick.
>>24472693Wait, Kirei ganked Zouken? WTF? When did this happen?>>24472751Goddamn. so now we need a Sakura therapy session AND save her monstrous grandfather from dying before he shares with us his secrets.
>>24473100Zouken and assassin attack Kirei at his church, thinking he was lancer's master.Kirei fought them off and left them to stew for awhile while we bought baking supplies for a bake sale next week.He intends to go back and slaughter the two at around lunchtime today.Considering hes the one person whom Assassin's NP doesn't work on, he's very likely to succeed.
>>24473061But we know Sakura isn't a lesser Grail. She could only have been a lesser grail if she had been implanted with grail shards. Zouken found inert grail shards ergo Sakura is not a lesser grail. We wanted knowledge on how to save Illya, Sakura has already been saved.Why don't we just point out what we think we wanted from Zouken.AssassinKnowledge on Grail workingsWhat he has been up toKnowledge on Sakura?
>>24473119>attacked>he boughtI need sleep.
>>24472997Hey guy that may or may not have a wish you -really- want to have fufilled. Come to our island of peace and happinessHe'd pull a caster. And we don't know who he is so short of command sealing him to do fuckall and caster locking him in a pocket dimension and babysitting him he's best off dead even if it puts the Imouto at risk>>24473061Hey old wizard guy that's about to die in oh... 84 minutes. Did you turn your heir into a lesser grail? Uh...? Why are you staring at Rin? Rin? Rin!? And then the FUN begins anon. Then the FUN begins...>>24473100Last thread. He's a ronery spiritual body who don't need no woman.>>24473124Ilya's boned unless we can pull off a true incarnation vie powering the grail by alternate means or finding another way and then somehow getting the entirely fucked up Einzberns to pop out an actually good Homunculus. Or we could try to get Zouken to teach Ilya some of the immortality stuff he uses and trust he's totes not going to mindrape her for everything she has.
Merlin said he'd work on a way to save Illya too.
>>24473171The Zouken method of immortality is really one which we do not want to be taking up. It is in no way worth it.
We're on page 9. Is the thread archived?
>>24473094>>24473124>>24473171Hey now, I'm not the guys that suddenly went full paranoid that she was a Lesser Gail in the first place.Which was like, 5 hours ago. Which you guys are now responding to. I'm just offering alternatives since all those guys already went to sleep (I assume).As far as I'm concerned, I thought we ended the conversation with "d'ya know what, let's not do that." Which, again, happened about 5 hours ago.
>>24473171Seriously though, Sakura cannot be a lesser grail, not possible. where are you getting the idea that it's even possible from? Sorry but it irks me.
>>24473239Whoops sorry then. Okay so go to church and make sure both Zouken and Assassin get killed while Kirei doesn't? I mean we could just wait outside to offer moral support. Kirei did look rather offended when we said he might need help.Know what why not just leave that to the professional and enjoy our lunch/strategy meeting with Bazett?
>>24473240'bout half way through the thread someone pointed out that we haven't done anything about the Grail shards that Zouken *claims* were inert. And that people are disappearing in town. And that Berserker hasn't gone into the IlyaGrail.And that the reason she activated a couple decades early as a Lesser Grail in HF was because Shirou said he loved her.Then it was pointed out that we Rule Breaker'd her, so any connection to Angry Manjew would be severed anyway. And the conversation ended. You know, until just now.
>>24473275The 4th HGW ended differently in this universe. Something went wrong. Kirei was the one who won, or something, and Saber EKUSUKALIBAA'D up the grail WHILE Kirei was doing something to it (or while it was doing something to Kirei). We don't know what, we don't know how. But that's probably where everything went pear-shaped.
>>24473192Well Ilya's a homonculus with not much longer to live even if we do manage to prevent her from turning into a grail. Not that the Zouken route would work either. :/>>24473240The point was that Zouken will not be friendly, convenient, exposition NPC #47. Probably could have said it better>>24473269>Church observer Kirei with however many command seals that were left over from F/Z>Go play with Assassin Kirei!>It'll be good fun Kirei!>Think of all the FUN you can make with Assassin Kirei!REJOICE!
>>24473119>Considering hes the one person whom Assassin's NP doesn't work on, he's very likely to succeed.Actually... He might not in this timeline.Of what we know of this Zero's timeline, did Kirei fight Kiritsugu before Saber destroyed the grail?Kirei receives the black heart as he is revived by the grail but in normal Zero, this also ends in him finding Gilgamesh, which didn't happen here since he swore he had no knowledge of his continued existence...He might actually be in abit of trouble here. I think we should follow.
>>24473308It is possible or even likely that he was lying.
>>24473322Merlin said it was Avenger who was forcing Kirei to do shit like feeding the souls of orphans to Gil, I think. Which means they planned this for all these years.And then we came along and mucked it all up. Huh.
>>24473228Yes it is.>>24473240>Seriously though, Sakura cannot be a lesser grail, not possible. where are you getting the idea that it's even possible from?Just metagaming.
Well, might as well update the Ebook now that we're this far in auto-sage.http://pastebin.com/kbGzcbDb