I pull her into a hug, and she lets out a small surprised squeak. "Onii-chan?""Sorry. I just... I felt I needed to do that." I answer, letting her go. She smiles back a little sadly. "Is there anyway to change that? Make someone or something else the vessel?""With me being the dedicated target for the Spirits?" She answers. "Maybe if they did something like tear out my heart and implant it elsewhere." She sees my eyes widen. "Or, I guess someone could try and use an older Grail that was still intact. You would need to either find and repair the original artifact, or somehow...." She hesitates. "Actually, I'm not even sure of any other option, given how the last war ended."There's a long moment of uncomfortable silence. "There's no other way?""No. Well, Maybe I could survive the process if it was done quickly and cleanly especially since I took precautions. Having that much raw magical energy might have other consequences to my health though.""... Huh." I say, for lack of anything else to say. "Well, maybe someone found a way around it. Gilgamesh and Avenger seemed surprised to find out he was missing, since he apparently sent them running.""But then who's left to-" She hesitates, eyes wide. "Zouken. He claimed to be involved in the original forging of the Grail system. He would know how, if there was a way.""He said he didn't though.""And you believed him?"".... Good point.....">Actions?
Add talking to Zouken to our ever increasing to-do list. Then go make breakfast.
Breakfast. It's gonna be a busy day
BASED AC-GUYLets get going - KITCHEN - Reclaim then make BREAKFAST (Make sure its big, long day ahead and how many people under this roof again?!)
>>24390643better check on the status of breakfast
>>24390643File away "track down Zouken" under our list of shit to do, and go help make breakfast.On a completely unrelated note: I finally tracked down a decent chinese restaurant to satisfy my burning curiosity about mapo tofu. It was tasty as fuck, but the level of spice didn't even register on the REJOICE scale, despite it being marked as a "spicy" item on their menu. Come to find out that in MURRIKA, they pussify mapo tofu so they don't offend our delicate murrikan taste buds. Fucking 'Murrika, all I wanted to do was rejoice over some extra-angry tofu, and you can't even give me that.
>>24390643Phone - Call lancer, ask him to bring bazette over for breakfast, we got some stuff to talk about (also we'd like to check on her wounds).
>>24390731>>24391002Consider that Archer has met up with Zouken and assassin, perhaps we should call Issei.Ask him to tell Archer that we want to meet with Zouken and that he can send assassin.We can mack on that servant when he comes to disturb our sleep again.
>>24391002Mapo Tofu is amazing but you either find any store in asia or have to find a good one deep in the bowels of a chinatown. Look for the ones which are filled almost entirely with asians.
>>24391002Don't forget, the restaurant was infamous for making every item hotter than it needed to be
>>24391012We're meeting them for lunch already for exactly that.I say we ask Caster if we can borrow Saber for this trip.It'll give us a good chance to have a little date.
From the last thread:Things to do today:>Breakfast with Arc>Lunch with Lancer and Bazett>Maybe fix bike in between>Time for Sacchin to go back home>Whatever screwups in-between that Shirou always gets himself into>+Call Issei and have Archer arrange a meeting with Zouken
>>24391115I believe saber was given to rin temporarily until we figure out re-contracting
>>24391119We should probably also tell Rin about the Merlin dream and the possibility that we are be switching places with Avenger at night.
>>24391177Shes still contracted to Caster at this point.
>>24391193Rin only, if we do. That's something we share with her as our magical confidant. Rider would get all defensive of us, Sakura would have a mental breakdown, and Saber would probably become comically furious at Merlin deciding to meddle in our business.
>>24391193That should be a whole harem discussion actually.
>>24391215>and Saber would probably become comically furious at Merlin deciding to meddle in our business.A case for the whole harem discussion.
>>24391203Caster gained control of Saber and signed the Geass on day 7, this is currently the 11th day. Unless we talk to caster and formally take Saber back, Caster keeps her for a few more days....Unless we let Caster keep Saber for a day so she won't be defenseless while she sets up elsewhere in the city.Oh, threadly reminder that the updated Ebook can always be found at http://pastebin.com/kbGzcbDb, and I'll update it sometime tomorrow to include this thread.
>>24391193Its been explained a few times, but I guess I have to do it again: WE AREN'T SWITCHING PLACES WITH AVENGER IN OUR SLEEP.Merlin was just scrying on him, but thought he was scrying on us, and was too much of a derp to double-check his work. How he made that mistake? Who the fuck knows. Either Avenger is a master of mystical deception or we're the same person metaphysically. In either case we aren't body-swapping in our sleep. Or maybe Merlin was just intentionally being a derp as a roundabout way to give us a hint, because he's a dick like that.
>>24391193>>24391228Didn't he specifically say not to tell anyone? But if we do decide to confide in someone in the most secretive way we know it should be Rin.Wait! I know how we do it. We just have to be in the box. No way Avenger could eaves drop on us if we're in the box.
I wander to the kitchen and see Sakura cooking happily away. "Good Morning Sempai." She greets me with a smile."Morning. Mind a little extra help?" I ask, leaning on the counter."If you want. There's not much else to do though." She answers, looking around at the Kitchen. "All I'm really doing is waiting for the rice to cook.""Alright then." I respond, forcing myself to shrug like it doesn't matter; with the weight of a thousand mountains on my soul. I hear the doorbell ring and wander off before Sakura can notice my discomfort.I'm not terribly surprised to see who it is. "Arcueid." I smile. "Good Morning.""Mawnin'." She says with a wide enthusiastic grin. "Did I miss breakfast?""No, you're actually a little early.""Yay~" She smiles and walks inside. "Homecooked meals always taste better. I was afraid I'd have to eat on the train or something.""....Train?""I need to leave." She responds, notably less cheerful but still smiling as she turns to me. "As much as I'd like to keep mooching off of you and staying among friends you guys have a Thing happening. I'm not allowed to get involved in strictly human affairs."".... What do you mean? There's weird stuff like Vampires too.""-A- Vampire." She sighs. "Mages still fall under the broad category of 'human' along with all the stuff they make. So wizard feuds, political disputes and such I'm not allowed to involve myself in. No matter how bad it could get without my intervention."".... Really?"
>>24391537"Yeah. sometimes it bugs me too, but I'm way to powerful and connected to the world to just do as I please all the time. I mean, just hanging is fine, but I can't get involved unless someone directly threatens me or something." She frowns. "Sadly, just hanging in this situation is a little too close to infringing on my neutrality just by being here.""So you have to leave?""Until this is over, yes. I mostly came to say my goodbyes." She smiles. "Maybe we can visit again when this is over though? I think Shiki would like you.""The same Shiki who apparently stabbed me in the imagination over a chair?"She hesitates and smiles a little more nervously. "I'm sure that was a fluke. He's really sweet. He'll be nice if I tell him to."After a long moment of hesitation, I tell her that I wouldn't mind her visiting in the future, boyfriend or no and she gives me a hug that threatens to crack my ribs before letting go.[ ] Ask her something in private.[ ] Go to breakfast.
>>24391468That means we must first retrieve the legendary box capable of holding two people! Where shall we find such an artifact?
Rolled 3>>24391548>[ ] Ask her something in privateuh, any chance you could take Sacchin home?
>>24391548[ ] Ask her something in private."If grail turns into sentient hate machine, or is about to turn into sentient hate machine would you be able to intervene? If we were able to produce adequate evidence that it would happen, would you be able to do *something*?"
>>24391623add >>24391612this to it
>>24391612>>24391623some sort of mix of these
>>24391548>[ ] Ask her something in private.Do you think you could take Satsuki with you when you leave? We need to get her home, but the last time I told someone to get out of town Avenger bonked them over the head and enslaved them. If she's with you I'm sure they wouldn't dare to try anything.
>>24391552Ya, completely serious I think finding a two person box and confiding in Rin would work. I have absolute faith in the power of the box.
>>24391680>>24391552This needs to happen. Her reaction would be priceless.
God damnit ACguy, I wanted to get some sleep.;-;
>>24391721So sleep - trust us that the quest for the holy grail is in good hands
>>24391721You and me both brother.But the quest calls, and it hungers for our time. It shall not be denied.>>24391680>>24391696I'm like 99% sure it WOULD work, given our past successes and what Merlin told us. Its just a matter of getting RIN in the box.
>>24391552>>24391680>>24391696>>24391755Just remember, we have to absolutely that it'll hide us from Avenger.Actually, as AC-Guy debunked the legion thing, the based number god and the based /tg/ dice have to believe that Avenger can't find us."Hmmm? That's odd. I didn't know there was a microphone in the box. Wait, the box has speakers on it too!?"
>>24391793I think Merlin said we could hide in the box because of our belief we could. And I for one have absolute faith in the box's ability to conceal us from everyone. Even Avenger.
>>24391793Obviously we don't NEED to believe that Avenger can't find us since we've already proven to ourselves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the box hides us from even the most fearsome foes!Self-fulfiling prophecy ahoy!
>>24391859Plan Codename Rin in a Bin is go
>>24391931F/HA has both Rin and Shirou stuck in that box together.
Rolled 15>>24391742I'm only here to make sure someone consistently rolls under 10
"Hey, if you're skipping town anyway, would you mind making sure Satsuki gets home safe? She apparently has an issue with getting herself kidnapped or something.""Yeah, alright. Shiki would probably like it if I went to see how his Sister was doing while I'm relatively local anyway.""... Hey, if things here get out of control....""As uninvolved as possible.""I'm only asking because of the apparent possibility of the Grail turning into some form of malevolent God.""As unfortunate as that would be, it's still a case of humanity harming itself. If humanity harmed some aspect of nature outside their domain I could get involved. If things outside the purview of humanity starts to prey on your kind, I get involved. If more than one sphere of the world get mixed together I can get involved. As long as it's all the work of man though, I have to maintain a strict hands-off policy if it has any scale of impact greater than a simple schoolyard scuffle." She smiles apologetically. "Sorry, but that's the way it has to be.">Anything else?
>>24392034Oh well. Get her in for breakfast and prepare bentos for their trip.I think she'll appreciate another meal of the Emiya household's cooking.
>>24392034So anything directly involving the grail, barring dimension-shattering shenanigans is out of her jurisdiction. Fair enough. Get her hungry ass inside for breakfast and goodbyes. We've left her in the foyer for long enough.
>>24392034Right, give the kind lady a thank you, finish up with breakfast and prepare her and satsuki some bento's for the trip.Aside from that... It might be prudent to talk to sakura about her nightmares? Remind her she's in a safe place.
>>24392034"So was it really just that wimpy vampire that made you take a trip all the way here? I mean, when I decided to attack him he kinda just screamed and burned. Not to sell myself short, but he was pretty low on the vampire totem pole, right? It just strikes me as somehow off that one that weak would be enough to catch your attention."
hey guys weren't we gonna ask her bout what the shit are we earth roll call wise last thread?
>>24392246Yeah, she might have amazing insight on that shit if we bothered to ask. Ask her what we, magically, appear to be to her.
>>24392034Seconding sakura nightmares.
did ACguy died
>>24392672Eh, if a lot of shit is happening, it might take a while to type. Especially if it's sensitive shit.
>>24392672>>24392698Not to mention pic related
>>24392698>>24392729I was actually hoping that my questioning of his death would summon him.Three times in a row have I asked whether a QM was dead, only for the post immediately following it to be an update.
>>24392749Say his name three times facing a mirror while holding a die between your knees and flapping your arms
>>24392795My balls are too big to hold a d20 between my knees comfortably.
>>24392749I summoned AC-Guy twice by posting saying I had to leave for a few minutes to get something to eat and he appeared.I never bothered to try it a third time, so why not now? brb.
We head inside together, and Arcueid regretfully informs everyone that she has to leave, and that she and Satsuki would be catching a series of trains and buses home.The news is greeted with a mixture of sadness and relief, and everyone says their goodbyes before moving on to more important topics.Caster informs me that she's going to be spending most of the morning getting her new base ready, but will be able to start investigating the runes by early afternoon. Rider mentions in passing that she switched back to Sakura the night before, and Saber is informed by Caster when she asks that she would be able to pass her back to my ownership by dinner at the latest.Satsuki seems concerned about knowing all this is going on, until Arcueid tells her that if anybody questions it to tell them that she's considered to be under her personal protection. Effective forever.Sakura contributes little directly, but nods and listens attentively to what everyone else has to say.Currently the discussion is veering towards finding out what Zouken's up to since he's been quiet for too long, and trying to decipher the runes.I-[ ] -Offer to try and contact Zouken.[ ] -Suggest an alternate course of action.[ ] -Privately make other plans.[ ] -say and do nothing, for now.[ ] -(other).
>>24392833Nubum you mad genius!>>24392840>[x] -Offer to try and contact Zouken.
>>24392840Phone ZoukenZOUKEN YOU WORMNIGGER. WHERE IS MY BAHSAHKAR? Y U LIE TO ME!? SAKURA IS CRYING I WILL BEAT YOU TO DEATH WITH YOUR OWN PHYLACTERY
>>24392833God dammit I'm laughing so hard right now.>>24392840Contact Zouken.
>>24392910Oh god. I ... wow. Yes. Let's go with this.[ ] -Offer to try and contact Zouken. (phone)
>>24392840Maybe he likes getting stabbed in the face, but he seems to have taken an interest in me. I'll try to get in touch with the old monster. I get the feeling he hasn't been idle
>>24392840>[ ] -Offer to try and contact Zouken."Of the two times I've talked to him since the War started, it only ended in appalling violence once. All things considered, my track record with him can be considered positively diplomatic."
>>24392840>[ ] -Offer to try and contact Zouken.
>>24392840>[X] -Offer to try and contact ZoukenWhat's the best thing that could happen?
>>24392910>>24392937Shirou performs Insane Rant combined with Threats of Imminent Violence.It is super effective!Zouken is crying.Sakura is crying.Ilya is crying.Rin is counfused.Shinji is scared.Archer is laughing.
>>24392910Let's... not go with this method
>>24392833Goddamn, it actually worked!Clearly I must hone my new power of summoning AC-Guy and use it only for good!>>24392840[ ] -Offer to try and contact Zouken.
>>24393018pfft HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAvoting for this.
Let's not have sudden retarded outbursts, please. Keep to ultra-snark.
>>24392910>>24393018>>24393082Uh... can we NOT go off on an insane rant when our only proof he's actually to blame is a vague hunch?
>>24393120Seriously. Please don't do that.
>>24393082Just imagine the whole house when shirou calmly walks over to the phone, picks it up calmly, dials the number... then bursts into some of the most insanely deranged hatespeech imaginable, out of completely fucking nowhere.
>>24392840>Saber is informed by Caster when she asks that she would be able to pass her back to my ownership by dinner at the latest.We should probably say in passing that "ownership" is a bit of a harsh way of putting it. (If that's the term Caster actually used, at least.) Saber of all people should appreciate a bit of white knighting on her behalf.>>24393018>Engraved on the Grail is a masterfully designed image of Emiya Shirou the Protagonist and a Harem. Emiya Shirou is yelling. The harem is crying. The artwork relates to the berating of the Kyuss Impersonator Matou Zouken by the protagonist Emiya Shirou in Fuyuki City during the 5th Grail War.
and we've gone full retardcrap
>>24393131And watch as we lose ten points with every girl and sabotage our lead. Please no. We can make insane threats, but not that exact uh...form.
ok lets vote for talk to him but be calm about it then.
>>24393131I'd rather not imagine it. I'd rather do it.
>>24393145I guess the group needs a good bit of whiplash to get their shit in check. I really, really want us to not going completely insane about this. We can do snarky and over-aggressive, but not literally call him a "wormnigger". Please don't do that.
We've been mostly rational when dealing with Zouken up until now. Lets not ruin everything by going off on him in front of our entire harem for no reason.
God dammit /tg/, we are NOT doing this.You retards.Seriously, there is NO in-character reason to do it.This is full "lolsorandumb".
>>24393213Weeell, in our first encounter we did sorta jump the gun on attacking him
>>24393226I hate when one person has a silly outburst, most likely in jest, and everyone bandwagons on it screaming YEAH LOL THIS OMG SO FUNNAY. Every time this happens in any quest ever, it ends up with everyone pissy either at the dumb players voting for it, or the dumb players bitching at the QM for punshing them for being stupid. God damn, please do not do this.
>>24393248To be fair, we were in full MUH SABER mode at the time, and an angry Gilgamesh was on his way.
Here's another vote against using >>24392910Seriously, stop being retarded.
>>24392910As the writer of this it obviously wasn't literal, I imagine AC-Guy would be awesome and translate it into something awesome though.
Uh... Do we even have a direct line to Zouken?I thought it would be more like pass a message to Issei, who will pass it to Archer, who may be able to pass it on to Zouken or True Assassin.
>>24393310Probably that. We do not have a phone line to him, as far as I know.
>>24393310>>24393325Perfect! we can write a letter as retardedly worded as we want - put our phone number on it, and when we get the phonecall from him just blame archer for it - he hates us after all.
>>24393252>This basically sums up SWQ for the length of time that I still followed it.>>24393290>I don't know how I could. I literally have no idea what he's trying to say/do. I was honestly hoping it would either be voted down or clarified somewhat.>>24393310>Alright, THAT makes it funny. "Hey Issei, take a message?">"Sure. What is it?">"(Insane hate speak). Got all that? Thanks, toodles!"
>>24393354>By 'funny' I meant the mental image, not that the plan is in any way good.
>>24393290Sir, you seem to be assuming our fellow anon are not retardeds. I believe you to be assuming too much.And AC-guy does follow what we say, even when we're drowning in our shit
>>24392910>>24393354Did you contract berserker or know his whereabouts.You have lied before (confront him on presumed previous lies)If you continue in the types of lies and behaviour that has made sakura so upset I swear to god I will personally end you.
>>24392840How about an alternative.We call Zouken, tell him to contact us tonight "like you did last time"If we somehow cannot get in contact with Zouken via a phonecall (which is more than likely), call Issei and tell him to tell Archer to tell Zouken to contact us "like you did last time"THIS acceptable to everyone that didn't go full-retard?
>>24393415This is bueno, and a good plan. That way, if we do decide to go full WORMNIGGER on him, it will be done in an abandoned warehouse with just him, us, and Assassin.
>>24393131>>24393157And then he sits down at the table and is just like "What?"
>>24393415Seconding. Plan a meet up early in the day somewhere, that way Assassin won't have to linger around too much in the house and trip wards and stuff.
>>24393415Excellent, more time to get Assassin points!
>>24393415>If we somehow cannot get in contact with Zouken via a phonecall (which is more than likely)Yeah, seems pretty unlikely that we have a phone number we can reach him at considering the Matou household is literally a smoking crater in the ground thanks to Archer.
>>24393500Nubum, quick! Walk away!
>>24393310>Chinese hate whispersI wonder what message Zouken would actually recieve?And would it be confusing enough to get him to call us so he can ask for an explanation of what the fuck he just heard?
"I think I'm going to try contacting Zouken today." I add in, which gets me a handful of confused and worried glances."How? And why?" Rin asks."Well, the 'Why' is fairly obvious. He's a rather major player in events and I haven't seen or heard from him since Archer kidnapped you. Given the fact that he's a powerful and intelligent Wizard in charge of a super-powerful stealth based murderer I figured it would be a good idea to know what he's up to.""Makes sense." Souichiro comments idly "How exactly would you even contact him though? I was under the impression that him house burnt down.""I figured I could place a personals ad under 'missed connections'. There can't be many cases in town of an evil wizard getting hit in the face with an exploding sword and then not dieing like he should." I take a small mouthful of rice and notice the concerned look Sakura's giving me. "That will be the real trick though: Not devolving into irrational hate-speak the moment I actually get a hold of him. Or on him."I get a few concerned looks, and eventually everyone agrees that doing something about Zouken is wise.After breakfast, I leave a message with Issei who promises to pass it along the grapevine as soon as he can.Breakfast is over, and Caster has left with her Master. rider and Rin prepare to leave together to start investigating the runes, and Sakura opts to go with so she can do some shopping while they're out and about. I manage to put together a quick bento for Arcueid and Satsuki as they leave, which gets me a startled thanks from the brunette and a peck on the cheek from Arc that shocks everyone that isn't her.[ ] Stay home with Ilya/Saber[ ] Go with the Girls.[ ] Go elsewhere.[ ] (Other).
>>24393872>[ ] Stay home with Ilya/SaberWe've not spent much time with her since she was always guarding caster.
>>24393872>[ ] Go with the Girls.Travel as group. Get some Sakura interaction in while we're at it.
>>24393872[x] Stay home with Ilya/SaberContract time.
>>24393872[x]go with girls (and invite saber and ilya along, see if we cant find some nice toys for ilya's puppy)Shopping is fun, we need to find a copy of princess bride novel for rider anyways... and that timing chain (if we don't already possess it).
>>24393935Not possible until Caster releases Saber.
>>24393872[x] Investigate the runes.
>>24393872We've been kissed by two girls today. We must collect one every kind!> [ ] Go with the girls.Also, if we ever get around to handling the harem, we should do a "Everyone sit together, state your feelings, and stop this evasive bullshit" approach for getting the girls to be honest.
>>24393872Let's stay with Illya and Saber. We need even more training, to the point that AC-Guy gives us a a bonus to our combat rolls. Let's talk about Merlin while we're at it.
>>24393940Or we can just project Rule Breaker.
>>24393872>[ ] Go elsewhere.Go to school. Lets find issei.Gotta get the message out.
>>24393968We already gave Issei the message.
>>24393872Let's chill with the girls, might be awkward, hilarious fun at Shirou's expense.
>>24393967When caster said tonight at the latest?Why needlessly risk the alliance?
>>24393872>[x] ElsewhereRun straight to Avenger's camp in the woods. Seriously, if we can catch them asleep or gone we can get a lot out of this. If nothing else make them extremely paranoid about how Shirou found the damned place.
>>24393872>[ ] Stay home with Ilya/SaberBonding and trouble>[ ] Go with the Girls.Bonding and trouble>[ ] Go elsewhere.TROUBLEhmm
>>24391002Tell the proprietor that you are indeed here for the grorious heat of the original. That you are here for Suffering.>>24393872>[ ] Go with the Girls. - Rin, Rider, and SakuraBuy subbed Princess Bride movie too
>>24393983We killed the vamp and took away his only (known) reason to not outright glass the city. Let's not antagonize him until necessary.
>>24393872[ ] Go with the Girls.
Wait, what if we choose elsewhere and that elsewhere is to scrounge around looking for our lost bahsahka in the woods and flipping shinji's skirt???
>>24393994NO, NOVEL VERSION - RIDER LIKES READING.
>>24394018Buy both. The novel is great, but the movie is a classic as well.
>>24394003Nasuverse rewards reckless bravery, and we're at our best when either swording or dodging Gil.As odd as it sounds, running off alone into the woods away from the harem feels like the right choice to make here.
>>24394018Why not both? Everyone needs to watch that movie at least once, and I've got a sneaking suspicion Ilya, Rin, and probably Sakura have all missed out.
>>24394038And?We're not counting on Nasu canon here. We're counting on /tg/ dice.How many ways do you think that will backfire
>>24394031Both it is you magnificent bastard! Can Rider perform a reading for the group?
>>24393994>buy subbed princess bridei see what you did there!
>>24394057I don't know. I spotted Arc's disguise both times and I can't see Merlin's dipshit moment as a huge shiny 'go here now' sign that's lit like the Vegas strip.
>>24394136The issue I think is that we don't have an effective counter for Gil yet. We can hold him off if we roll well, but making actual headway against him is mostly beyond us until we get UBW or Saber+Avalon online.
>>24394184>implying we can't box our way away from him if anything goes south.
>Alright, I had to leave for a minute. What's the vote at?
>>24394272Going with the girls seems to be the choice.
>>24394272Looks like go with girls. Acquire Princess Bride in both movie and book forms (because Rider loves reading) while shopping.
>>24394284And timing chain for bike if we don't have it
>>24394272Book and/or movie shopping.
I decide to head with the girls, and Ilya decides to spend her time chatting with Saber.We walk out into the streets, looking at pictures and the runework themselves in greater focus.[DC17 Magecraft]
Rolled 15>>24394470HOW DO I MAGIC?
Rolled 5>>24394470Oh boy.
Rolled 20>>24394490FUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUU
>>24394491Well fuck you too.
>>24394481Well at least we're not all "So the bubble is alerting the boat which is manned by fishmen"
>>24394272>>mfw Finally writing out the retarded cameos from other visual novels.
>>24394600It was fun for a while, but I'm glad they're gone, too. It was just awkward having them involved directly in the story. Nothing against AC, since he inherited the story from Kirei, but it was really silly.
>>24394620>>24394600Especially when you take into consideration that their entire appearance was build around a typo/continuity error.Don't get me wrong I liked em too and like Tsukihime more than FSN, but this is an FSN quest, not a NV quest.
>>24394600At least it broke the stale fate exists in a vacuum crap
>>24394659I hate that kind of weak "pocket dimension" canon handwaving, too. I mean, shit, you write stories based on an established universe and can't fucking explain how the stories mesh together? Get your shit together, Nasu.
>>24394658>Especially when you take into consideration that their entire appearance was build around a typo/continuity error.Really?
>>24394720...Maybe. Saber showed up to help us WAY faster than should have been possible even for a Servant, so we flipped out and were like WARNING WARNING, IMPOSTER ALERT, and low and behold it was an imposter.Although I still think it was planned that way, because if I recall the fake-Saber was also talking a little funny.
There's a mounting sense of frustration from all of us at every site we visit, as we all get the feeling we're overlooking something relatively obvious that's going to come back to bite us.I sigh, shaking my head after the fifth rune. "Let's do something else. Get some shopping in and come at this from a fresh perspective."I get some nods, and I once again find myself outside of a reasonably upscale fashion outfit as a paranoid sounding board for Tosaka's sense of fashion. And then Sakura eventually joins in after getting teased into doing it by her sister.I'm interested to learn that Sakura's normal clothes do no form of justice whatsoever to her figure. I mean, she was always pretty but good lord she has at least three times what I thought she had under that loose-fitting blouse of hers.Between my intent to remain civil and composed in public, rider's teasing, and the constant parade from the sisters the mounting desire for anything in the universe to distract from what's happening is broken when I notice Kirei a fair distance away while the girls are back inside the changing rooms.The main reason he catches my attention is the relative lack of priestly garb and the fact that one arm appears to be in a sling.>Actions?
>>24394793EVILPRIEST WAT HAPPEN? SAY SOMETHING NOT NOICE TO WORMNIGGER?
>>24394753>>24394720>>24394658>It wasn't actually. There were reasons for her to be passing through, but the appearance was going to be much briefer and smoother if the one smart dude you've apparently taken to ignoring recently pointed out her deceptions and decided to try and befriend her.>Also, he hasn't even let me kill off even one love interest yet, so I'm mildly bitter about that.
>>24394793Tell the ladies you're gonna step out for a bit.Go have a chat with him, it's been a while and I'm curious to see what he's been up to.
>>24394793Go talk to Kirei.>>24394836>he hasn't even let me kill off even one love interest yet, so I'm mildly bitter about that.Good. Be bitter. We WANT them all to survive.
>>24394793Tell Rider where we're going, but to remain with the girls. Intercept him.
>>24394853>Your fun is in Harem acquisition and friend saving. My fun is in watching you scramble desperately at anything that looks like a threat to that while constantly lining up terrible things that can maybe happen.>These funs are not mutually exclusive.
>>24394793"You look like you've been in a war or two."
>>24394793Get Rider on overwatch, excuse selves, wander over to Kirei.
>>24394915What's the closest we've come to a love interest getting killed off?
>>24394836>the one smart dude you've apparently taken to ignoring recentlyHm. Maybe we SHOULD bumrush Avenger.
>>24394970>Berserker pretty much took one for the team when he left the stage, though who/what if not him I'm not 100% on.>>24394983>That's right Dresden. Let winter in.
>>24395007>That's right Dresden. Let winter in.FUCK YOU I HAVEN'T READ COLD DAYS YET YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!
>>24395007Right, didn't you say Rin and Rider were the other options for that?
>>24395007>Berserker pretty much took one for the team when he left the stage, though who/what if not him I'm not 100% on.>Berserker>Rin was with us when Berserker died.AAAAAAH!
>>24395017Oh what. You knew that was coming. Its not like he told you whether or not Dresden lets Winter in or not. its 50/50
>>24395017>Neither have I. Haven't touched the series since Changes, actually.
Rolled 47>>24395017Dresden's "friend" diesWhy do you keep reading those spoilers anon?
>>24394924We are now suddenly aware that since Gil never went away after the 4th Grail War the Grail system probably still considers Kirei a Master. This means that if Berserker did recontract with someone to stick around, it's possible that it could have been Kirei.And that his sling could be a ruse to hide his command spells.>UnlimitedParanoiaWorks.txt
>>24395053Possible, but unlikely.Kirei is fairly mediocre as a magus, he's just really, really fucking good at killing things. I doubt he has the capacity to support Berserker.
>>24395068Didn't he support Gil for a while in the previous Grail War?
>>24395017I'M tempted to be a royal faggot and tell you errything.so i'll leave you with this instead.dresdon's inherited a time bomb of rape and utter destruction that i speculate may have merlin at the center corrupted by the whole damn dark god mess on the island[/spoiler[
>>24395085Yeah but when that happened his dad had given him like 10 spare command seals that he was using to fuel his magic (which is why Kerry's origin bullet couldn't do anything to him).
>>24395068Didn't he master every magic discipline, but abandon them when he couldn't feel anything for it?
>>24395085Supporting a servant with Independent Action is easier than supporting one with Mad Enhancement.
>>24395085For a while.Gil's powerful, but he's sure as hell not EX-rank Mad Enhancement grade.He switched over to orphan batteries pretty quickly, though.>>24395108Yep. He still has mediocre circuits though. He's amazingly skilled, but doesn't have the same kinda capacity as someone like Rin.
>>24395107IIRC he never used most of those command seals back then. Wouldn't he still have them?
>>24395086other thing.harry shoots santa.
>>24395085An Archer, even Gilgamesh, has NOTHING on a Berserker's mana drain. Remember, Ilya was created specifically to power a Berserker, and even she couldn't keep up with him.In other news, I am currently reading a Fate fanfic with Cain as a Master, not a Servant.AC-Guy, in the F/A 'verse, is the original Cain still up and about?
>>24395108Not even close. There are hundreds of fields of magic. He studied a handful of disciplines to near-mastery and gave them up when they did nothing for him.>>24395137Pic related. Caine versus Brunestud. How long does the Crimson Moon last before he dies?
"Rider?" I mumble, feeling her presence next to me."Yes?""I just saw Kirei. I'm going to go speak with him. Mind telling the other girls?""The 'other' girls now is it?" She responds with a certain smugness in her voice as I walk away. I catch up to Kirei outside a store selling what looks like cooking supplies.He gives me a curious look as I approach. "Shirou. What brings you to the mall?""Taking a breather while investigating. What happened to your arm? you look like you've been in a war or two."He smirks very slightly. "Something like that. Had an unexpected visitor last night.""Oh?""Zouken's made a move of some sort. I'm not sure why, but he attacked the church apparently under the belief that I was secretly Lancers Master and abusing my position as overseer to plot an easy win.""... and you survived?""An evil spirit and a Vampire attack a fully trained executor Magus in his sanctum and you're surprised I survived?" He hesitates, sighing wistfully. "I'm honestly slightly ashamed that they wounded my arm and forced me to retreat.""That's why you ditched the normal Priestly garb?""I believe he set a magical tracker in it somehow, yes. That's also why I chose a mall: Nice and public while I plot his painful demise." He looks at the bags he exited the store with. "Figured I might as well grab ingredients for that bake-sale I'm supposed to host next week while I'm here." He then gives me a questioning look, like he's both debating asking me a question while waiting to see if I had anything else to add.Perhaps even daring me to question his plans for a bakesale after the War.>What say?
>>24395213Wait. Vampire?He had a vampire?The vampire is DEAD. We maimed it, then Arc killed it. Yesterday.There's ANOTHER one?
>>24395213>"Zouken's made a move of some sort. I'm not sure why, but he attacked the church apparently under the belief that I was secretly Lancers Master and abusing my position as overseer to plot an easy win."Zouken is a metagaming bastard.
>>24395213>>24395230"Uh... we just killed a vampire that gilgamesh and avenger were using for some plot they were plotting with their evil ploticiousness just recently... and arcruied is leaving town today so if there's more vampires running around we're kinda shit out of luck"
Rolled 82>>24395213>"An evil spirit and a Vampire>Zouken>VAMPIREFUCK HOW DID WE MISSED THIS
>>24395213well shit more vamps....Also we should see if we can get his garb and set some sort of trap for Zouken id it does have a tracker in it
>>24395213Ask him if he knows where Zouken is.We have questions that need answering before Kirei obliterates him..
>>24395230Okay. Think it's worth calling Arc over this?Sure, she had to leave because she can't mess with Human Stuff, but if there's another vampire running around, that's still in her jurisdiction, right?... Or maybe we could pack it up and give it to Gil as a peace offering. He might go for that. We broke the one he had, so getting him a replacement is the only way to make up for it.
>>24395213Ask Kirei if he has any idea where Zouken may be cause we need to "talk" to him too. Kind of 50/50 about telling him the grail may be a sentient hate machine for obvious reason.>>24395230Zouken's some kind of vampire shit brah. And assassin is about as evil spirit as you can get.
>>24395213>Perhaps even daring me to question his plans for a bakesale after the War.Kirei is awesome. "Try brownies. Good ingredient to final product cost effectiveness. And before you ask, yes I'm settling my relationship problems, and no I won't be needing the church. I doubt Rome would approve.">>24395230Zouken is a kind of vampire, I was talking about using him for Avenger's purposes two threads ago.
>>24395260This means that gil and avenger are likely in league with zouken - who probably would have been able to tell them that his worthless grandson shinji was trying to skip town.
>>24395260Eh. We've learned the secret art of Vampire Slaying (don't stop stabbing until they turn to ash), so we should be fine. Plus by now she's probably already on the train with Sacchin, and recalling her mid-trip might just get Sacchin kidnapped...again.If it turns out to be more than we can handle we have her cell number.
>>24395213Mapo Tofu cookies?
>>24395300Candied raw onions (like candied apples, but replace apple with raw onion). Much rejoicing was had that day.
>>24395213"Unless you have anything more important to ask me, I'm pretty much bound to asking about that bake sale."
>>24395275>>24395279Oh, right. Yeah. Zouken counts as a vampire.I keep forgetting about that.
>>24395255>>24395279Under Nasuverse definitions Zouken isn't a vampire, and I think we can trust a church Executor to know better than to mix up Vampires and non-vampire bloodsuckers, even when talking about them in a conversational manner.Unless he's just saying this because he assumes Shirou doesn't know any better and thinks it'll get the point across.>>24395275Pretty sure he KNOWS the grail may be a hate machine since Merlin let us know he was trying to make a wish with it while Saber was blowing it all to hell.According to his notes, communing with the grail was what tipped Kiritsugu off to the fact that something was wrong with it, so it seems like a safe bet that Kirei got the same kind of message and decided it was still a good plan to start Grailin' it up.
>>24395330Zouken is not a Dead Apostle but he is a kind of vampire since he preys on humans. Kariya even calls him one in Fate/Zero.
>>24395330>implying people don't know why kirei wants to use the grailit will cause infinite sadness which will kick his joy factor up exponentially.
>>24395357Let's go the smart route and tell Kirei that we killed a vampire earlier and if he knows anything about it. Don't mention Arc. Then ask for methods to contact Zouken about sorting out this grail shit.
>>24395213"Okay. So I should call Arcueid and tell her there's another vampire running around? Because we already killed one down at the docks and she's leaving town as we speak."
>>24395383Oh and ask him for more info on what attacked him.
Wait Bake sale?
Ask about the vampire and the attack in general. Then offer to help out with the bake sale with all the girls. Don't acknowledge there is even the tiniest possibility that some of us might not be alive next week. We are going to save EVERYONE because we are Emiya Motherfucking Shirou.
"Wait. Wait, back up. Vampire?" I give him a critical look. "I thought I killed the Vampire.""Hmm?" He blinks suddenly and shakes his head. "The church technically classifies Zouken as a Vampire due to his parasitic nature and method for prolonging his own life.""So he's not actually a Vampire?""He's not a Dead Apostle type vampire, if that's what you're asking.""Ah." I look at the bag he's carrying. "So what're you making for the Bake sale? Brownies? Good cost to output.""Actually, I saw a recipe for spice cake I was interested in." He begins walking and we find ourselves at a nearby bench a moment later. We sit at for a long moment before he turns to me. "So. Have you found any answers yet?""... About what?""The last time the two of us spoke privately, you had some questions and concerns about yourself you were asking. Since you came to me in my professional capacity as a Priest and a Counselor, I figured the responsible thing to do was to ask if it helped."".... Not really, no. Well.... actually maybe a little since the fear of me being some kind of soul devouring monster made me want to dig into myself to make sure I wasn't endangering my friends by existing.""Ah." He smiles slightly, in a way that feels like he's trying to comfort me but isn't entirely sure how and he pats me on the shoulder. "I suppose I could have phrased that better. If it helps, being a demon that's hell bent on subsisting on everyone's happiness is pretty much the best possible outcome for being a monster that shouldn't exist.""Not helping.""You are remarkably difficult to console." He responds, looking across the mall.>Actions?
>>24395283Don't think Gil/Avenger wouldn't want to dispose of Kirei since according to Merlin Exposition Time (tm) Avenger has something over Kirei such that he's able to blackmail him into providing the energy to sustain Gil. (Via orphan souls. Good guy, that Kirei.)(This is a thing we probably WANT to bring up to Kirei, what with our ideals probably lining up with "don't feed the souls of orphans to an ancient spirit under duress by a half-cocked incarnation of evil", but not sure if there's any delicate way to bring it up, let alone how we'd explain where the knowledge came from to our people so long as we're keeping Merlin a secret.>>24395357IIRC Zouken has changed himself to the extent that he is not human anymore. He's just blood worms taking human shape. This means he's not a Human that prays on other Humans, so he's off the list as far as the church is concerned.I'm pretty sure the only non-Vampire bloodsuckers that get grandfathered into being considered Vampires are those that kill a Dead Apostle Ancestor and take their place.>>24395383We literally walked into the church with Arc in tow to talk to him the first time around.
>>24395459look at where he is looking
>>24395479This man is a genius.
>>24395479>then we get dropkicked in the head by gil and kidnapped for his and avengers hairbrained idea for "winning" the grail.
Should we what we know to Kirei? Merlin mentioned that Avenger has 'something over Kirei' that sorta forced him to feed souls of orphans to Gil. And that Kirei tried to wish on an incomplete Grail.
>>24395459Take a quick look at what he's looking at then ask him if he knows a way to contact Zouken. If there's like a Zouken signal we can use on the clouds tonight. We neeeeeed someone experienced with grailshit to sort this out.>>24395462I know Kirei knows but the less vamp action mentioned the less "happy" kirei can get
>>24395495Not sure on this. On the one hand, Kirei is apparently in deep shit with Avenger or something. Asking about what their deal is might be a good idea if we want to help him out. On the other hand, we'd be revealing what we know to him, which might not be too clever since we don't quite know where he stands on matters.At any rate, don't ask about contacting Zouken - I doubt he'd be willing to share those methods with us since Zouken just attacked him. What we SHOULD ask Kirei is how we might put Zouken down permanently, since he's a vampire killer and might know how this shit works.
>>24395462Wait a moment...What if one of the changes from normal canon mentioned by AC-guy was Gilgamesh actually behaving according to his alignment?This explains why he tries to go the nonlethal route for the grail.
>>24395635He seemed pretty fine with doing the whole "slaughter everyone" thing after we killed the vampire.Avenger had to talk him into minimizing casualties.
>So are you guys going to say or do anything that isn't looking at what he's looking at?>I can turn that into something, I just wanted to be sure.
>>24395689seems to be the only thing we've got going - I mean we already have shit going for zouken.
>>24395689We should probably ask if he has any ideas how to kill Zouken permanently.We threw an exploding sword at him, and that didn't work. So that's pretty much the end of our ideas.
>>24395689I dunno. Mention how everyone in this war seems to have a deep, dark, horrible secret, and we're curious as to what his might be?
>>24395459"So, how's avenger been lately?"
Rolled 2>>24395689Reinforce eyes.I am the pupil of my iris.
>>24395689We need input to create output. That's the essence of writing functions.
>>24395689>>24395459>"If it helps, being a demon that's hell bent on subsisting on everyone's happiness is pretty much the best possible outcome for being a monster that shouldn't exist.""It's funny that you'd mention happiness, just when I had a recent discussion about it with other people."Maybe we can fish out a Kirei definition of happiness and get a measure of how he thinks.
>>24395735>appealing to the RNG with corny shit
>>24395713This:>>24395689Xouken screwed the pooch as far as neutrality goes.
>>24395743>>24395735>>24395725>>24395713So we...Reinforce our eyes and look at Kirei's target while also talking in ways that are sure to freak him out.If we do it correctly, he might consider us an android. This kind of multitasking is unnatural.
>>24395735>"OH GOD, I CAN SEE FOREVER">"AND IT'S LOOKING BACK AT ME"
>>24395782>you look forever and you get punched in the dick for doing so>>24395768i'm entirely ok with scaring the ever living shit outta kirei.
>>24395768Seconding this. Sounds like a better plan than just looking.
Rolled 5>>24395768Yes, except we dun roll like a faggot.REJOICE!
Rolled 14>>24395823>proceeds to roll like a faggotPft.
Rolled 14>>24395853Faggot, you say?
Rolled 17>>24395863>>24395823>>24395853Jokes on you the DC was 15!
>>24395768Guys, why do any one of you, let alone more than one, want to reinforce our eyes (a thing we have never done, is outside our realm of expertise, and if fucked up will probably BLIND US) for no reason other than "maybe it will let us look better at the thing he's looking at."Reinforcement just makes shit stronger. In physical structure. We would just be giving ourselves an artificial glass eye. Made out of a perfectly functional ACTUAL eye.And you think pretending to have a cyborg eye is going to disconcert Kirei, who literally just explained to us that he was attacked by a 500+ year old parasite and (probably) Assassin and WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT HE DIDN'T 1v2 THEM.I don't even fucking know anymore.
I gaze across the mall in the direction he is. There's a couple of things that grab my eye: a parent trying to discipline her unruly child, an irritatingly sweet couple feeding each other ice-cream, and an older gentlemen demonstrating an array of cooking knives.Finally I ask him. "Are you looking at anything in particular?""Not really. Keeping an eye out for anything suspicious, but mostly just people watching.""Really?""I find it interesting. There's a lot of inconsistencies in human behavior. People always say lieing is bad, but actually telling your wife that the dress indeed makes her look fat is considered frowned upon. What's most interesting is when they're under stress.""Really?""Most people walk around wearing a mask of some kind. Look at Rin. She's nothing but poise and class around most people, but if you know what buttons to push it's not hard to make her emotionally upset. She also plays at being a serious magus without regard for the lives of others, but at her core she's just a little too soft to actually manage it." He frowns. "People have many varied layers, some of which they don't even know about themselves. The more stress, anger, pain, and fear that's applied the more layers get stripped away until they're nothing more than their basic primal instincts. What's even more interesting is how when recovering things change from how they were before, meaning the same person could have several life-changing tragedies and change drastically as a person every time.""What about happy things?""Happy things like that don't tend to be as life changing. Generally when something good happens you want to go for the good to make it keep happening, and when something bad happen you want to change so the bad stops happening.""... Not going to lie, that kinda makes you sound like a Serial Killer."
>>24395939"I can see why. I'm not saying I kidnap people and torture them for my personal amusement, I just find people interesting. People suffering are just more dynamic and therefore more interesting. It's one thing to feel that way and quite another to actively wish for massive horrifying devastation because it gets you off.""Any plans for taking down Zouken?""I believe he's still at the Church because he doesn't like the sun. I plan on stopping in at around noon and crushing the spiritual form keeping him alive and sending him into the afterlife. Once he's dead I can banish Assassin like any other wandering spirit.""You've thought about this.""Since the last war, actually. Zouken and I disliked each other even then, and I wanted to be prepared for when it came to a head""... So how's Avenger doing?""Gleefully condescending the last time he stopped in to taunt me on his way to the next evil scheme. I do believe you've spoke to him more recently though.">Actions?
>>24395946Want help at noon? We have some (irrational hate-speech) to settle with zouken over sakura, and we can bring servants!
>>24395946>I plan on stopping in at around noon and crushing the spiritual form keeping him alive and sending him into the afterlife.We still need Zouken to answer a few questions.I'm not gonna be surprised if he ends up with a contract with Assassin, then try to stab us in the back.
>>24395946I don't suppose I could convince you to hand off Zouken to me? There might be some "issues" with the Grail, and out of anyone he probably knows the most about it.
>>24395963This, then head back to where the girls are.If Rin and Sakura are still changing, we can bounce the "Rider suggests sharing" idea off of Rider, since our bringing it up is likely to be received poorly.... Although, on reflection, we probably don't need to do that. At this point, Rider seems quite likely to take action of her own accord.
>>24395946>>24395939Ask if he want's to go a-murderin' right now. We have other commitments at noon and Zouken's worm infested brain has information that we sorely need
>>24395946We need to talk to Zouken before he goes.
>>24395213>"That's also why I chose a mall: Nice and public while I plot his painful demise." He looks at the bags he exited the store with. "Figured I might as well grab ingredients for that bake-sale I'm supposed to host next week while I'm here."There's something very funny about how he casually says the words "plot his painful demise" with complete sincerity.>>24395946We should ask what Kirei banishing Assassin would do to the Servant's soul.I mean, would it go to the Grand Grail? Or would it evaporate uselessly?Actually, as he's the supervisor... do we maybe want to mention that something weird happens when Servants die and pass on, in this Grail War? That Berserker didn't go to the Grail?
>>24396020Thats a good point. Nothing works up an appetite like a nice murder before lunch.
>>24395946>The guy we need to help us figure out the fucked up grail and fix Ilya is about to be REJOICED!"Is there any way you can contain him without destroying him for a bit longer? We need his knowledge about the grail to sort out this grail war and for saving my little sisters life. I might be able arrange for the severing of the contract between Assassin and Zouken if it comes to that."Guys... We might need to attempt to kill Kirei at this rate...Keep up the glorious work AC-Guy. F/SA is great at making all these what-if branches depending on our actions
>>24396020Nothing could possibly go wrong with asking Kirei to watch our back.I say we do it.
>>24396029Berserker didn't go into ILYA, who is supposed to be the vessel for the Grail. We can ask him if it's possible for there to be other vessels.
>>24396040Ah - shit right... >>24395963Revise to imprisoning the worm that walks because we need to save our darling imouto's life.
>>24396020Come to think of it, if Kirei was the one who betrayed Bazette like he did in F/SN, wouldn't hanging with him DIRECTLY before we meet with her seem a little suspicious?
>>24396040>>24396029Seconding asking what happens to assassins energy too. We may have to rule breaker and blow command seals to lock him down till we get this war sorted out. For our Imouto's sake
>>24395963>>24396012We have lunch with Bazett today.
>>24396065Oh, right. We should ask Kirei if he thinks killing Zouken will take more than half an hour, since we've got a lunch date right after.
>>24396059Well if he hasn't betrayed her then she'll be all 'SEMPAI SEMPAI LOOK I SUMMONED A LANCER' and he'll be all 'yes, yes, that's very nice' while fuming that he can't backstab her because we're present.Or he'll try to backstab anyway and get SAVESAVESAVE'd for his trouble.
>>24396079Dude. Bigger problems at hand than worm that walks. Essentially all we know about grailshit is the stuff Ilya picked up which amounts to fuckall compared to what we need. Know what that means?Chance of figuring out a non-excalibur solution to the grail <5%Chance of figuring out how to remove Ilya's validity as a lesser grail by jerryrigging what Zouken can figure out with his parasite wizardry <5%Oh and it accelerates Ilya's transformation into the grail, which mind you she is even less resistant than Iris and once Berserker finally runs out of juice and returns it's very likely that his massive energy may severely degrade her condition if not push her over.
>>24395933>(a thing we have never doneActually, we once rolled for reinforcing our eyes.We failed, though.It's also an ability Archer uses all the time.
>>24395939Also I wanted to mention -- what makes actions "under duress" or pressure more "true" than the way a person acts when he ISN'T pressed to the bone?I mean, let's say that people get piles and piles of shit piled on top of them, until they act horribly.But let's take those same people, and instead have them be only in advantageous -- or just non-stressful -- situations. Make it easy to be good, or harder or unnecessary to be bad.They'll probably follow along, won't they?So if they would be horrible if in horrible circumstances, but might be good in good circumstances... doesn't that sorta imply that human beings adapt to (or snap because of) their situation and stimuli? Like water poured into a bowl, or a glass of water cracked and made to spill all that water?((Its a bit different from the "bad things change people more" topic, however. I don't deny that tragedy or misfortune can mark people forever... but then it's always been easier to break than to build, hasn't it?))
>>24395939>>24395946I wonder if Kirei knows of the works of Shan Yu
"Any way I could offer my assistance to make you postpone that kill?""I'm going to say no, but I'm curious as to your reasoning.""There's a lot wrong with the war in terms of what's going on around it and within it. There's at least Nine servants running around, Zouken suggested that the Grail might be turning into something really bad, which all evidence thus far has pointed towards.""There's also that thing with Ilya if Kiritsugu's wife is anything to go by." He answers, looking at me. "While certain factors are suspicious, Zouken is too large of a wildcard to permit running around. I know where he is, I know he can't leave, and I know I can probably kill him. Especially since I've already disabled his only real back-up plan." He sighs as he stands up. "Your desire to help others is indeed commendable, but in this case misguided. If you found other ways of looking into a verifying the information, then somewhere is clearly the tools to solve whatever problem there may be, if it indeed exists.""That's your final answer?""There's no potential reward that justifies allowing Zouken to do as he pleases, even taking your emotionally skewed viewpoint into consideration." He begins to walk away. "I'll let you know when he's been dealt with. If you haven't heard from me by tonight, assume he got the better of me."I could probably get one more thing in if I wanted, or I could return to what I was doing with the girls.>Actions?
>>24396137I'm actually a better person when shit goes down.But then again, I don't really give a fuck about myself. I consider the world around me to be interesting and think that most people have more drive in their life than me. So I can't say no when someone needs help, especially when it's really important.During times where my behaviour is not of importance I tend to procrastinate and disappoint everyone. Personally I hate the artificial way our society is structured - It started in school, when you were praised for even the shittiest work and it hasn't changed yet. Success is entirely unrelated to effort. Except when it's something that no human controls. Then you actually need to utilize your skills....I should really find a job where my mentality would motivate me.Then again, I would probably go insane from torture. But that's kind of the point.
>>24396170Tail him.USE THE BOX LUKE!
>>24396170"Do you have any knowledge of what's going on with the Grail? Are you involved in any way? I'm sorry if this offends you but I'm kind of tired of all the surprises in this war."
>>24396170Where are all these metagamers coming from?Are we living in a recursive reality?
Rolled 17>>24396170"If you fail, will the Church nuke this place to the ground? Cause I really don't want that to happen."
>>24396170"Then please try to get him to share where he stored his research so that others can try to save a little girls life and maybe stop a corrupt grail."Gods... I wish we could just kill him but the odds are just too horrible even with him wounded. And if he escaped....
>>24396170Back to the girls - we need to princess carry rider at some time because she'd go crazy for it (as evidenced by my extensive research into rider doujins).Gotta pick up timing chain, princess bride (novel + movie) and meet with bazette for lunch.(Are you calling the thread for the night soon?)
>>24396170Head back to he girls
Rolled 14Asemble everyone able to fight and get to the church at noon to stop or capture Zouken in case Kirei bites it.
>>24396170Head back to the girls. Get back on schedule, and see if Rin can send a familiar to peep on the Church.
>>24396170I say we take this opportunity to go and talk with Zouken before Kirei arrives in the afternoon to finish him off.
>>24396170How's this for a plan?We let Kirei kill Zouken, but not Assassin. Instead, we make him form a Servant contract with Shirou. Once that's done, we make Assassin spill everything he knows of what Zouken knows about the Grail.This way, we also don't need to cause whatever Grail vessel unnecessary burden, at least for the moment.
>>24396271Thats... actually a brilliant idea.We could also tell him to knock it off because kirei isn't lancers master.
>>24396278No chance in hell.He violated the neutrality.It's time for him to be violated.I wonder if Sakura will want to have any last words with him.
>Not sure what the vote's for here.
>>24396288Seems like its back to the girls... with princess carrying rider as an aside.
>>24396288Neither are we.Voting for heading back to the girls to inform them that we can go talk to Zouken. Like now.
>>24396300I'm pretty sure Rider is currently hanging around intangible.But yeah, back to the girls works.
>>24396302Yeah, this is a good idea.
>>24396275WAITTHATS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD IDEA, AND MIGHT WORK.After all, Kirei is the overseer of the war. He shouldn't just up and kill a Servant unless in extreme circumstances. Its not ASSASSIN'S fault Zouken forced him to attack Kirei, and we happen to be a Master without a Servant...If we got him we'd damn near have a Servant monopoly, and nobody gives a single fuck about True Assassin so we'd finally have an expendable minion to throw at people.Now, Kirei will probably make up some excuse, but his reply might be very telling as to his true motivations.
Going to meet Zouken before Kirei kills him seems like a very good way to either piss Kirei off or get Kirei killed.I'm against it, personally. We only want to talk to him because of Ilya and Merlin already said he's looking into a way to save her.
>>24396302>>24396307Guys full stop.>The ancient parasite master with a fondness for uteri>Taking Girls near Zouken>Girls>Girls>GirlsThink about this for a second. We have a "vampire" on the edge of death. We're not going to get one of our harem gibbed because we're acting like Zoukens having loli tea in Kireis orphan basement waiting to share his old man wisdom and then hang tight. no, he's not going to "negotiate" or "hope we help him". He's an ancient fucking magi with a complete lack of right and wrong and the second we walk in there it's going to become a clusterfuck. DO. NOT. GO!
>>24396321>contract AssassinALL ABOARD THE WAIFU TRAINNEXT STOP: ASSASSIN ROUTE
>>24396321And this is a better idea. Changing my vote to this.>>24396307
>>24396335Shirou faced off and won against Zouken + assassin by himself.We're going there with a Rin wanting murder + Rider. And maybe even Dark Sakura.I don't think they'll stand around long enough in one spot for the worms to climb into their vags.
>>24396338We can't have Issei route, so we're going to have Assassin instead. Brilliant. And we have already attempted to seduce him once.
>>24396321I doubt its forced, though. True Assassin just about followed all of Zouken's orders happily.In any case, I expect him to die first in the fight and its not like Kirei will spare him after he attacked that priest. We'd also need to be on the spot to be able to try something like that and we already have a previous lunch appointment.This is also assuming that Shirou is able to form contracts unlike what happened the last time we tried.I can also already see Saber's disappointed/furious face.
>>24396347We won because of lucky crits, mostly. It's a stupid risk that we shouldn't take.Talk to the girls, tell them what Kirei just told us, come to a decision as a group rather than rushing off by ourselves again.
>>24396372All we have to do is trace rule breaker, get him to stab us while avoiding a major artery/organ and stab him back
>>24396388So skip the alliance forming luncheon.
>>24396388>mfw your brilliant plan relies on fucking ASSASSIN to STAB US
>>24396394No way in hell we're skipping the alliance forming lunch... if we dont pay lancer wont even get to eat!
>>24396399It's not like we'll die, even if he kills us.
Guys... my suggestion was just to say straight to Kirei's face "I want Assassin. If Zouken dies first you should give him to me, since as Overseer you probably shouldn't go around killing off Servants if you can help it". Worst case scenario he says "nah, because reasons", best case he's all like "damn, that makes sense. Fair enough".I wasn't advocating running off to jump in the middle of the fight and try to rescue Assassin of all fucking people.
>>24396426But the heroic rescue method will get us way more route points!
>>24396399>Implying we can die even if killed
>So what the fuck is the plan here?
>>24396468[x] Seduce Assassin.
>>24396468back to the girls. the idea's about zouken and stealing assassin have been retarded.
>>24396468The consensus seems to be some form of grab the girls and at varying time depending on post go get a girl fucked up by zouken because ancient creeper wizard totally wont try to take someone over as a host and we have no experience with it and therefore little chance to resist.
>>24396468Capture Assassin, either asking Kirei to spare him, or otherwise.
>>24396485This is turning into a Pokemon crossover.
>>24396468Fuck it, back to the girls. Disregard Kireu/Zouken/Assassin. Maybe send a familiar to spy on the party.I'd like to pull something tricky here, but people are just gonna 'tard it up if we try anything.
>>24396468I'd like to throw my vote in for note dying and going back to the girls
>>24396468I think the consensus is to go back to the girls and relay to them what Kirei just told us. Then we can suggest nabbing Assassin maybe and see how they respond to that? We don't need to decide this right here by ourselves.
>>24396489Just wait until we befriend the shit out of KinKaiser.
>>24396468back to girls
>>24396541[X] Rape the maids
>>24396468Back to the girls first and inform them of what happened.Float the idea of going to meet Zouken.
I wander back down the wide Mall corridor and reach the store when the I left the girls, and see them waiting for me with purchases. Rin's bag is rather small, no doubt because of our earlier shopping trip. Sakura's is only slightly larger though, and she seems oddly unwilling to talk about the whats and whys of her clothing purchases.We exit the mall and return across the bridge, with me ending up holding both bags by the time we reach the market and having informed them of my conversation with Kirei along the way."If he says it's under control, I don't see a reason to doubt him." Rin comments. "Whatever else he may be, he's not arrogant."Sakura looks between us. "But Assassin. A Heroic spirit, and the one best suited for deception and surprise.....""He knows that. Remember, he's already survived a Grail War. A Grail War filled with people considerably more ruthless and powerful than we are, collectively." Rin adds as we continue along."I'm more worried about the knowledge. If he had some idea of how to fix the Grail or whatever, we're losing that as soon as Kirei finishes him." I interject. Sakura looks away, and Rin sighs."I guess that's true. It's not like we can poke around his library or something hoping he left notes since Archer burned everything down."Sakura shakes her head. "I'm not sure he'd tell us. Unless there was some clear and direct way for him to profit off of it, he'd probably send us away or lie."I note how uncomfortable Sakura is with the topic, and decide to drop it for now. Instead, we get back to investigating the runes.[DC17 Magecraft]
Rolled 5>>24396676Time for wibbly-wobbly-magicy-wagicy
Rolled 17>>24396676Oh shit
>>24396687OH SHIT SON
Rolled 11>>24396687>>24396688DODGED A FUCKING BULLET HERE.
>After this roll, I'm calling it a night. Feel free to spend the rest of the thread planning and speaking your normal Zany bullshit.>I'd offer additional Q&A, but I'm exhausted and the thread's going to be dead by the time I awake.>Actually, if you have questions, go ahead and link them to this post. I'll get back to you in a pastebin on Twitter or something.>I'll just ignore the stupid/spoilery ones if they come up.
>>24396676>reach the store when the I left the girlsDid we just travel through time?
>>24396687>>24396688>consecutive postshoshit>>24396704I don't think we rolled enough 20s for that.
>>24396693Cheers, bro. Thanks for running two nights in a row, this is way more fun than sleeping and shit.
>>24396704>No, that was a typo brought on by exhaustion. A good reason to call it a night, in my humble opinion.
Rolled 4>>24396721Is the option of going to see zouken before kirei exterminates them still possible or are we locked in a different path now?
>>24396733I think we left to go do other shit. Besides, all the girls were against it because Zouken is a selfish, lying dick.
>>24396762They didn't object against shirou making contact with zouken when everyone was discussing it at breakfast.
>>24396779True, but at that point we didn't know we were on a time-limit.Right now, going to meet Zouken will accomplish pretty much nothing.
>>24396779At this point, Zouken is going to demand we save his sorry ass before he gives us anything useful. We don't need to lock horns with Kirei over him, he isn't that valuable.My only worry is that Kirei steals Assassin and starts doing shit.
>>24396805>>24396805The time limit makes getting any scrap of information he can give even more vital. Once past this afternoon, assuming kirei kills both, any knowledge of any other possible grails fragment locations or substitutes dies with him.This is a rare chance where we know exactly where he is and we also know that he cannot regenerate. We could always threaten to kill him if he doesn't talk. Shirou showed himself capable of soloing the two before. If we add rider to the mix, that would be a death sentence.
>>24396839Weren't you reading earlier? You think we know how to handle this?>"I believe he's still at the Church because he doesn't like the sun. I plan on stopping in at around noon and crushing the spiritual form keeping him alive and sending him into the afterlife. Once he's dead I can banish Assassin like any other wandering spirit."
>>24396839see>>24396819Zouken isn't giving us shit without us saving him from Kirei, which is not something we want to do in the first place. Besides, I wouldn't trust anything the guy tells us even if we DO save him. He has literally no reason to give in to our threats because he's a dead man anyway (either Kirei kills him or we do). Nothing useful can possibly come out of us going to meet him now.My main worry is Zouken tricking/overpowering Kirei somehow and taking control of his body.
Kirei killing Assassin should be felt by Ilya. If something weird is happening with killed servants not going to the Grail as they should, this'll give us some nice confirmation of that. If Assassin DOES go through Ilya, it probably means Berserker is still alive somehow.
>>24396902One thing that works to our favour is that he doesn't know that Kirei is coming in the afternoon so we might be able to wring some info out of him.If we want to make sure hes safe, we could perhaps get Rider to watch from a distance to make sure.
>>24397007While I'd easily trust Rider with our life at this point, I don't trust her to just sit there and not do anything while Zouken is right next to her. She'd rush in and try to kill the bastard in painful and exotic ways, which would not be helpful.
Guy who initiated the "Acquire Assassin plan" here. Thought I'd share the reasons why I thought out that plan.>To figure out if Shirou's inability to form Servant contracts is limited to Saber or applies to all Servants.>To figure out if Kirei's neutrality in the war is for real and deny him a Servant if said neutrality is merely a farce.>To find out what Zouken knows about the Grail that may have been relayed to Assassin.>To find out how much info they got from scouting those runes.>To unlock those mental blocks caused by the fire on Shirou via shared Master/Servant dreams without needlessly burdening the other Servants.>To prevent/delay the next Grail vessel from taking the strain of a Heroic Spirit dying.I'm well aware of the possible consequences this choice will have on the rest of the team and especially Saber.If this still feels like a retarded plan after reading said reasons, then by all means stuff this into the bin of plans that will never be used and give some alternative solutions.Apologies to AC-Guy for having to put up with unnecessary planning derails caused by said post.Someone might want to archive this, BTW.
>>24397213Arg... Why must Kirei suck so many dicks??? We don't kill him and he may get hassan which will end in much REJOICING!. We kill him and zouken is back in the game to fuck everyone over at the worst time imaginable not to mention we'll probably lose all Sakura points now and forever. We try and fail to kill him/he escapes and it's all kinds of bad juju ending up with all of us dead by the next morning covered in black keys the second anyone slips at any point. From earlier threads we know the previous war was kosher and either way Kirei is still the obs for the war which means he's still packing a variable bag of command spells.Which leaves betting Kirei is maybe on the level after gorging on orphan tears....It's archiving atm. I think I got it.
And now it's archived by the tag "Fate/Stay Again," (sic!) instead of "Fate/Stay Again". Please pay attention next time.
>>24397031Or Archer?Maybe we can get a message to him if we call issei like right now.He can observe and confirm no shenanigans.
>>24397324Isn't there a re-archive thing to fix mistags?At least it still comes up anyway
>>24397349There isn't, barring suptg admin's intervention. And that's exactly why I ask you to pay attention next time.
>>24397324Eh, first thread wasn't included under that tag anyway. Grail-kun is the only tag that catches all of them.Ebook updated: http://pastebin.com/kbGzcbDb
>>24398115>Grail-kun is the only tag that catches all of them.ironically.
>>24395933no actually, i just played through the fate route last night, they specifically say reinforcing enhances properties. Lamps get brighter is the example they use.
>>24395939>People have many varied layers, some of which they don't even know about themselves. The more stress, anger, pain, and fear that's applied the more layers get stripped away until they're nothing more than their basic primal instincts.Got half of our body burned."Shit, Saber's gonna be sad or upset!"We have some weird primal instincts.>>24396676>>24397342Actually, telling Archer about the changed situation is a good idea.Also, guys, could we stop treating Sakura like a dumb AI? We're all sympathetic 1on1, but if only Rin is nearby we suggest a confrontation with Zouken. Seriously? She'll break down like that and we were supposed to SAVE ALL just like a true Shirou saves. And I hope to save not only her body, but also her mind.
>>24398790Ya, Red Archer should probably be made aware asap so he doesn't accidentally walk into the middle of a fire fight.
>>24399150Or doesn't "accidentally" kill the cleric.